Speaker 1: This is Patriots Playbook. The legend, can I tell you
Speaker 1: in a sort of a sick twisted way. I like
Speaker 1: Seattle's neon Green. That is the most illogical appetite. I
Speaker 1: don't like the colors uniforms. They look like a bunch
Speaker 1: of floating blueberries out on the field. You've really done
Speaker 1: it this time, haven't you. Wanta Let's put it this way.
Speaker 1: There's been some high level meetings being held and much
Speaker 1: discussion has taken place, and now you know the rest
Speaker 1: of the story. Now here's your host of Patriots Playbook,
Speaker 1: John Rook. It's great to say that when we come
Speaker 1: back and do the playbook live. It's great to say
Speaker 1: when we actually have breaking news, do you have a
Speaker 1: breaking news sounder, Matt that we can play and when
Speaker 1: news breaks, we break it. Yes, I love it. Welcome
Speaker 1: into the playbook, everybody, because we are here at Gillette Stadium.
Speaker 1: It's day one of NFL training camp. Got an action
Speaker 1: packed a couple of hours for you. Here will update
Speaker 1: you on some of the things that we observed and
Speaker 1: some of the things that happened at practice this morning,
Speaker 1: because practices has actually ended for the day. And of course,
Speaker 1: if you didn't know already, Sir Elton John is performing
Speaker 1: here tonight, first of two concerts that he's giving here
Speaker 1: at Gillette and so it's just a madhouse around everywhere
Speaker 1: the stadium tonight. But I mentioned breaking news. The Pro
Speaker 1: Football Hall of Fame has just released its finalists for
Speaker 1: the Coaching Contributor for the Class of twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1: We know Richard Seymour is a part of the Class
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty two getting in this summer, but in
Speaker 1: the Class of twenty twenty three, our own Robert K.
Speaker 1: Kraft is made the list of twelve finalists for twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three. So congratulations to mister Kraft. I can't say
Speaker 1: that I'm terribly surprised. I can't imagine too many people
Speaker 1: in Patriots Nation would be surprised with this, largely because
Speaker 1: of his influence overall, not only on the fortunes of
Speaker 1: this franchise, but really fortunes, innovation, wealth, growth, popularity, all
Speaker 1: of it as far as pro football in this country
Speaker 1: is considered. So you know, mister Kraft, the short of
Speaker 1: it is owner and chairman and CEO of the Patriots
Speaker 1: since nineteen ninety four. Patriots, of course, have won six
Speaker 1: Super Bowls in that time, and he's obviously very deserving
Speaker 1: and it would be a stunner if he did not
Speaker 1: make the Class of twenty twenty three. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, we did want to let you know that
Speaker 1: the Pro Football Hall of Fame just released that like
Speaker 1: literally minutes ago, close to the top of the hours.
Speaker 1: So congratulations to mister Kraft, Congratulations to the Kraft family.
Speaker 1: It's extraordinarily deserved. And I think we as observers, as media,
Speaker 1: as fans, as hanger honors like you know, me and
Speaker 1: Marine are, we do whatever we can to help the cause, right,
Speaker 1: I think we should. All right, So here's the way
Speaker 1: we rolled for this week, because for the uninitiated, our
Speaker 1: program during the off season is once a month. We
Speaker 1: usually picked the last Wednesday of a month, in particular
Speaker 1: until we get to the regular season, where we run
Speaker 1: weekly shows during the course of the year, and so
Speaker 1: this is our next to last preseason or shall we say,
Speaker 1: offseason program, even though technically today was the day training
Speaker 1: camp started, not only in New England but around the
Speaker 1: National Football League. So a pretty cool thing. Football is back.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's I just told the security guard on
Speaker 1: the way in I said, Honestly, I'm happy and I'm
Speaker 1: sad at the same time. Have you gotten a chance
Speaker 1: to go to the beach. I haven't played enough golf yet.
Speaker 1: I haven't had a chance to sun my backside yet.
Speaker 1: You know, not that the sun wants to look at
Speaker 1: my backside, but I just haven't had a chance to
Speaker 1: do that yet. The one thing that we love to
Speaker 1: do about July's show, and we'll do one at our
Speaker 1: last off season show, if you will. We'll actually be
Speaker 1: on August thirty first, right Wednesday, August thirty first, and
Speaker 1: then we step right into the regular season for the
Speaker 1: first week of September. I think that's September eighth, Thursday,
Speaker 1: September eight. Look at the calendar match turning he's looking.
Speaker 1: I believe that's the date. At any rate, that'll be
Speaker 1: our first regular season show technically, So we'll do one
Speaker 1: in August thirty one, and then we'll start weekly throughout
Speaker 1: the course of the season on September eighth. But our
Speaker 1: July show has always been unique in the last six
Speaker 1: seven years now, I think this is the seventh year
Speaker 1: that we've done this. Because many of you know that
Speaker 1: part of the routine that I have during the course
Speaker 1: of the calendar year is to serve as a college
Speaker 1: professor at Dean College, which is an academic partner of
Speaker 1: the Patriots and craft sports and entertainment, and the subjects
Speaker 1: that I teach have to do certainly with communications and
Speaker 1: sports broadcasting. So this is the seventh summer that I
Speaker 1: have actually taught a pre college summer program. Or if
Speaker 1: you want to college summer camp, you can. But these
Speaker 1: guys are not you know, your typical summer camper, summer
Speaker 1: campers with you know, backpacks and lollipops and you know,
Speaker 1: you know, cut knees and things like that. No, these
Speaker 1: guys that I have in the group this year are
Speaker 1: all sixteen, seventeen, eighteen years old, getting ready to go
Speaker 1: to college. They're looking at schools that they want to
Speaker 1: go to potentially move themselves into this realm. I know,
Speaker 1: it's hard to believe that someone would actually want to
Speaker 1: do what I do or what you want to do, Matt,
Speaker 1: for a living, but hey, we're here to edgemacate them,
Speaker 1: you know, and maybe even scare them away. It's possible,
Speaker 1: although knowing as the way we roll on this show,
Speaker 1: when we do this show, they may leave the studio today.
Speaker 1: Thank god, I can do better than that. So I
Speaker 1: you know, hey, that's great. I hope that they do.
Speaker 1: I would very much love the day that I get
Speaker 1: sent packing to be replaced by somebody who I taught.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're gonna we're all gonna be replaced, right,
Speaker 1: So I'd be perfectly okay, perfectly okay if it's somebody
Speaker 1: I taught, because then I can hold it over his
Speaker 1: head for the rest of his life. See that's the
Speaker 1: way it works. And if I ever need a job, yo, dude,
Speaker 1: remember whose job you stole? Okay, by the way, that
Speaker 1: has happened already in my career. Who haven't you taught?
Speaker 1: Kind of seems like that now, doesn't it. I know.
Speaker 1: So today the setup today is is we've come up
Speaker 1: with four key questions. We call them four big questions
Speaker 1: however you want to talk about it, but four big
Speaker 1: questions for the patriots surrounding in twenty twenty two. And
Speaker 1: I've given each panel, each group of students here today
Speaker 1: my sports broadcasters a subject to research, which they've been
Speaker 1: doing since last night. I've been working feverishly today to
Speaker 1: make sure that they overturned every stone they possibly can,
Speaker 1: and we're just going to talk football surrounding these four
Speaker 1: main topics for the next couple of hours, and we
Speaker 1: hope that you listen in, we hope that you enjoy
Speaker 1: and we want you to participate. So you know, whether
Speaker 1: you agree or disagree with anything that is said on
Speaker 1: the program by either me and I know most everybody disagrees,
Speaker 1: but that's fine because that's how the world rolls. This
Speaker 1: is how we keep it rotating on its taxes. We
Speaker 1: disagree a lot, and that's fine. But if you want
Speaker 1: to agree or disagree with anything anybody has to say today,
Speaker 1: here's how you get in touch with the program. It's
Speaker 1: a toll free telephone number eight five five pats five hundred,
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Speaker 1: dial it go, You're on. You can talk to the
Speaker 1: marine himself and he won't let yell at you. He
Speaker 1: might make you drop and do twenty, but he won't
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Speaker 1: web radio at patriots dot com. Pretty simple. Web radio
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Speaker 1: question where we have the show posted for today when
Speaker 1: we preview the show, and you can participate that way.
Speaker 1: So there's four different ways that you can actually participate
Speaker 1: in the show. Pick up the phone, email, tweet, or
Speaker 1: post on Facebook. The topics that we're going to kind
Speaker 1: of hit at today, and maybe there's a topic in
Speaker 1: particular that you're kind of thinking about yourself, Like, you know,
Speaker 1: I really think this is, like, you know, the number
Speaker 1: one issue that I'm thinking about with his team coming
Speaker 1: in the topics, we're going to talk about who will
Speaker 1: ultimately play in the defensive backfield, especially at corner. Number two,
Speaker 1: what will the Patriots linebacking corps look like, and who's
Speaker 1: gonna start do we even really know? Number three? What
Speaker 1: young player or players And largely we're kind of holding
Speaker 1: this to first or second year players, but it could
Speaker 1: be a younger player who hasn't had a lot of
Speaker 1: playing time in his NFL career. What young player or
Speaker 1: players could rise and surprise with playing time for this
Speaker 1: team this season? And then topic number four today, does
Speaker 1: it really matter who calls the plays? Everybody's so fixated
Speaker 1: on Oh my god, the Patriots don't have him off
Speaker 1: in a coordinator. They don't have a deepens coordinator. Mac
Speaker 1: Jones is growth is gonna be stunted. What are we
Speaker 1: gonna do. It's just chill, That's what we're gonna do.
Speaker 1: We're gonna be chill about it and let him try
Speaker 1: to play. Now, look, if we get into a week
Speaker 1: four or five or six and this team is flopping
Speaker 1: like a fish out of water, then okay, fair game.
Speaker 1: Coaches are fair game because clearly whatever they've strategized to
Speaker 1: do is not working. But I think at the very least, look,
Speaker 1: and I know that a lot in the media certainly
Speaker 1: learned around this area. Know Tommy Curran and Phil Perry
Speaker 1: and some of the guys that we have on this
Speaker 1: show from time to time, they're all kind of, you know,
Speaker 1: quizzically scratching their heads and wonder, well, I'll come to
Speaker 1: the Patrons are the only team that don't have this
Speaker 1: in the NFL. And look, I think we all have
Speaker 1: to understand that Bill Belichick marches to the beat of
Speaker 1: his own drummer, and he always has. Bill Belichick also
Speaker 1: largely looks after his own and Matt Patricia and Joe
Speaker 1: Judge are his own. They come from his tree. They've
Speaker 1: been head coaches. Now, you can certainly make the argument
Speaker 1: that they haven't entirely been successful head coaches in the NFL,
Speaker 1: but they have been head coaches in the NFL. So
Speaker 1: they had to have something something going on in order
Speaker 1: to get that job in the first place. Now, let's
Speaker 1: all recall here, let's go, let's let's take the way
Speaker 1: back machine back in the nineteen nineties for a moment.
Speaker 1: Because Bill Belichick, when he started as a head coach
Speaker 1: in the NFL, how did he do in Cleveland? Not good?
Speaker 1: Got fired. So Bill didn't become Bill BB, as we
Speaker 1: like to call him. You didn't become that until he
Speaker 1: came to New England and started winning. So he's going
Speaker 1: to do what he can to potentially I think, groom, grow, enhance,
Speaker 1: help out, encourage, all the all the above to his
Speaker 1: guys that have come from his coaching tree. Number one
Speaker 1: because he's friends with them, number two because he sees
Speaker 1: a football future in them. At number three, he knows
Speaker 1: they want to be head coaches again. So he's gonna
Speaker 1: give him every opportunity to improve that resume, move up
Speaker 1: the ladder and get the job again. Now, you may
Speaker 1: or may not agree with that assessment. You might think
Speaker 1: that Matt Patricia is the worst thing since slice bread,
Speaker 1: that Judge, Joe Judge doesn't know his ankle from you
Speaker 1: his head. Okay, maybe that's the case. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm not here to judge that. What I am here
Speaker 1: to tell you is how I think and how I perceive.
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick operates. And this is his twenty second here
Speaker 1: is head coach that he's embarking upon today with training
Speaker 1: camp opening up here today. So that's the thought process here.
Speaker 1: So it really doesn't matter. I don't think who calls
Speaker 1: the plays. But we'll have a group of aspiring sports
Speaker 1: broadcaster to talk about that very subject here in just
Speaker 1: a little bit. Just quickly, I'll hit you on a
Speaker 1: couple of the headlines from training camp today, and then
Speaker 1: we're gonna jump into our subjects. But Patricia, speaking of
Speaker 1: coach Patricia, he did call the plays today at practice.
Speaker 1: In case anybody cares, anybody's interested, he did all the
Speaker 1: play calling during the eleven on elevens and all the
Speaker 1: seven on sevens today. I don't know that that means
Speaker 1: anything other than he started. I feel quite certain that
Speaker 1: at some point in time there will be others that
Speaker 1: will probably call plays, but at the very least he
Speaker 1: has started with that Mac Jones during the eleven and
Speaker 1: elevens and seven on sevens and thanks to Andrew Callahan
Speaker 1: from The Herald for passing along some stats here eighteen
Speaker 1: for twenty two throwing the ball, So a pretty good
Speaker 1: start to the day. I know that Brian Hoyer had
Speaker 1: a couple of lawn darts that he threw into Davante
Speaker 1: Parker in the end zone, so it looked like Davante was,
Speaker 1: especially in short yardage situations, Mike could develop into a
Speaker 1: red zone threat. I don't know, but it certainly looked
Speaker 1: from my manage point like, Okay, we're gonna test this,
Speaker 1: We're gonna test it early, and we're gonna see him
Speaker 1: pick on some corners and the Patriots admittedly, we're not
Speaker 1: sure what we have a corner, which is one of
Speaker 1: our topics we're going to talk about today. But the
Speaker 1: Patriots corners aren't exactly you know, six foot seven out
Speaker 1: there either, and DeVante is a big dude, so we
Speaker 1: might see more of that. That doesn't necessarily mean it's
Speaker 1: going to happen somewhere else. But the parker did do
Speaker 1: well today in red zone drills three contested catches for touchdowns,
Speaker 1: and he lost one to Jalen Mills, So kudos to Mills. Mills,
Speaker 1: by the way, my thinking is he probably has the
Speaker 1: inside track for one of the starting spots, probably, but
Speaker 1: we got, you know, a month of practice to go
Speaker 1: here gang before we really have to start thinking about it,
Speaker 1: and three preseason games to get through. But at the
Speaker 1: very least that's one of the names you could think about.
Speaker 1: Joe On Williams also had an interception today if you're
Speaker 1: thinking defensive backs and backfield as well pass breakups. Mills
Speaker 1: had one, Bledsoe had one. So let's see what else
Speaker 1: offense won the day. Callahan tweeted out earlier that offense
Speaker 1: one to day except from a red zone stretch with
Speaker 1: four pass breakups in six plays. Okay, well, it's not
Speaker 1: like the I would tell you I would explain that
Speaker 1: off first of all by saying, hey, good job by
Speaker 1: the defense. Second of all, it's not like they didn't
Speaker 1: know what was coming when you're in red zone drills. Okay,
Speaker 1: so they kind of know that they're gonna get picked on.
Speaker 1: So the fact that they were able to knock those
Speaker 1: plays off, not close passes around. I don't think it's
Speaker 1: too much to get terribly serious about, but hey, pretty
Speaker 1: good start there. And the other guy that I'm kind
Speaker 1: of looking at it, I'm really going to be anxious
Speaker 1: to watch throughout. And maybe this is where my first
Speaker 1: group of students can kind of chime in with. Here
Speaker 1: is Taekwon Thornton, rookie wide receiver from Baylor, and he
Speaker 1: made a couple of diving end zone catches for touchdowns
Speaker 1: today in practice. So a good start for the rookie
Speaker 1: showing some early separation in these situations. All right, So
Speaker 1: my dean sports broadcasters are here. I got Alex, I
Speaker 1: got John, I got Mike at the microphones here. So guys,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you introduce yourself and tell us where
Speaker 1: you're from. Hey, everybody, I am Alex kuchen Meister, and
Speaker 1: I am from Wilton, Connecticut. Wilton, Connecticut, Wilton, Connecticut. So
Speaker 1: I'm Wilton, Connecticut. Are you a Giants fan or a
Speaker 1: Patriots fan? I'm neither. Actually, what yeah, I'm actually a
Speaker 1: Detroit Lions fan. What Yeah, it's a little bit of a.
Speaker 1: It's not as fun to watch those games as Patriots games,
Speaker 1: but I still enjoy the NFL. So you probably have
Speaker 1: a definitive idea about what you think on Matt Patricia's part, right, Yes,
Speaker 1: I definitely have my opinions about him. You want to
Speaker 1: share one, Well, my opinion is I do not think
Speaker 1: that he should be in a head coaching role anytime soon,
Speaker 1: and I just I feel like when he's not with
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick, he's not as successful as he could be.
Speaker 1: Tell me one thing though, that you liked about Matt
Speaker 1: Patricia when he was the coach of your Lions. I
Speaker 1: liked that he had multiple different defensive schemes for us
Speaker 1: to throw at other teams. I liked how we had
Speaker 1: Sometimes we'd send three guys, sometimes we'd say and six guys.
Speaker 1: It was never predictable what we do on defense whenever
Speaker 1: he was our coach. That's what I liked about him,
Speaker 1: and that's what he brings from the defensive coordinator spot,
Speaker 1: that he has fair assessment. What do you think then,
Speaker 1: about everybody being up in arms? Here is Patriots fans thinking,
Speaker 1: how can a defensive guy, or an offensive line guy,
Speaker 1: or a guy who floundered to Detroit. How can he
Speaker 1: be the play caller for the Patriots this year? Well,
Speaker 1: I think that his play calling, I think that he
Speaker 1: really could excel at the defensive side of that. I
Speaker 1: haven't really seen him call offensive plays because I think
Speaker 1: we had our offensive coordinator doing that whenever he was there.
Speaker 1: But I think that him play calling that could be successful.
Speaker 1: I think that the Patriots could really they could show
Speaker 1: better than their actual linebacker and defensive backspots are. They
Speaker 1: could show a better performance than they really have there.
Speaker 1: That's the talent and I think he could really help
Speaker 1: them there. That's fair. What year are you in school, Alex,
Speaker 1: I am going into sophomore years. Sophomore year, Okay, so
Speaker 1: you're probably the youngest one in camp, right, Yes, I am.
Speaker 1: You already determined that. Yeah. So, so how's the week
Speaker 1: in college been. It's been pretty fun. It's been pretty fun.
Speaker 1: I really enjoy hanging out with the older kids. They're
Speaker 1: pretty nice. We like to talk sports, we like to
Speaker 1: talk to the entire NFL, and I get to hear
Speaker 1: some Patriots perspectives here that I wouldn't really here normally
Speaker 1: in Connecticut. How did you get to be a Lions fan? Though,
Speaker 1: can I ask you that one too? My dad actually
Speaker 1: he grew up right outside Detroit as a kid. Yeah
Speaker 1: he was. He was one of the big Lions fans
Speaker 1: up there, gotcha? Okay, fair enough? All right? John, introduce yourself.
Speaker 1: Where are you from? I'm John McHale and I'm from Nyack,
Speaker 1: New York. Nayak, Oh my god, a New Yorker. So
Speaker 1: let me guess Giants or Jets. If you're Nayak, you're
Speaker 1: neither there neither which team I go for? The Packers? Really,
Speaker 1: what is wrong with you? Guys? Really? How did you
Speaker 1: get to be a Packer fan? Honestly, it's just by
Speaker 1: random choice. I just just you know, just pick them,
Speaker 1: just randomly. Yeah, okay, all right, fair enough. Mike introduce yourself.
Speaker 1: Where you're from. I'm Michael Batson and I'm off from Chicago, Illinois. Wow, Chicago.
Speaker 1: I got three out of staters here. This is unbelievable.
Speaker 1: And it's your team, the Bears. Yeah really, no kidding?
Speaker 1: All right? What do you like about the Bears? And
Speaker 1: what do you not like about the Bears? Because we
Speaker 1: won't mention the Bears again this afternoon? Probably, well, well
Speaker 1: with NAGGI was hard to watch because a play Cang
Speaker 1: was just so you know Mas and you know, you know,
Speaker 1: you see Kansas City throwing these like thirty yard you
Speaker 1: know throws and open you know, calls and then and
Speaker 1: then and then bears are running in on third and
Speaker 1: four to you know, Dave Montgomery. So I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean the offense isn't very fun to watch. I mean,
Speaker 1: the defense is getting older. I mean, we traded away
Speaker 1: Khalil Mack and you know Roquan Smith. You know, the
Speaker 1: the defensive guys are at their prime. Now, you know
Speaker 1: you saw off mac ro Quan Smith is not as dominant.
Speaker 1: I think with that, you know, the cod Cody Parky
Speaker 1: kick and you know, we add we had everything they're
Speaker 1: except for the QB Patrick Mahomes and and it just
Speaker 1: didn't fall. But I think if we picked Patrick Holmes
Speaker 1: or Deshaun Watson, we would have won the Super Bowl
Speaker 1: that year. We had the offense, we had the defense. Okay, fair, fair,
Speaker 1: all right, Now we got the home crowd stuff out
Speaker 1: of the way. You guys know that, you know, your
Speaker 1: first jobs in the business are undoubtedly not going to
Speaker 1: be where your favorite teams are located, right because one
Speaker 1: of the things that we've learned this week is that
Speaker 1: you take a job whenever wherever you get in, it'll
Speaker 1: probably be in a smaller city, smaller market, some of
Speaker 1: the things we talked about. So what we wanted you
Speaker 1: to do. One of the challenges that you had this
Speaker 1: week is to cover a team that you're not used
Speaker 1: to cover it. Hello, New England Patriots. All Right. The
Speaker 1: question that I gave your group what young player or
Speaker 1: players could rise in surprise with playing time this season.
Speaker 1: So we're talking rookie, second year young pros that haven't
Speaker 1: had the playing time in New England if they've been
Speaker 1: here before that you think are in position to actually
Speaker 1: get playing time and maybe even play a significant active
Speaker 1: this year. Do you want to start Alex? All right?
Speaker 1: I'll start with the one of the rookies coming into
Speaker 1: this season. It's the Patriots first round pick this last draft,
Speaker 1: and that would be Cole Strange, the guard from the
Speaker 1: Tennessee the University of Tennessee, Chattanooga. Okay, so some stuff
Speaker 1: that I've seen it from him, he is actually projected
Speaker 1: to be starting for the Patriots in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: So even though he might have been an unpopular pick,
Speaker 1: he's actually filling a need for them, and it's just
Speaker 1: it's really just helping them win the battle in the trenches,
Speaker 1: which is really big obviously for any football team that's
Speaker 1: trying to win big games. Yeah, he's twenty three years old.
Speaker 1: He stands at six foot four. He's three hundred and
Speaker 1: seven pounds, so he's a good size for an offensive
Speaker 1: lineman and he's relatively young. Yeah. He actually I got
Speaker 1: some stats from the combine. He had a forty yard
Speaker 1: dash time of five h three, which is actually much
Speaker 1: better than the average left guard time, which is an
Speaker 1: that's a very good time for a big dunes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that is. That's a I have a comparison about him
Speaker 1: to another guard that I saw had a great forty
Speaker 1: time as well that I feel like he could potentially
Speaker 1: live up to be a player similar to him. But
Speaker 1: one of the downsides about Strange is he had only
Speaker 1: thirty one bench reps at the combine, which is on
Speaker 1: the lower end for a lineman. But he's still a
Speaker 1: good weight and I feel like watching him, he's pretty
Speaker 1: light on his feet. I like I like how he
Speaker 1: always looks for his blocks, so even when he's unengaged,
Speaker 1: he's a guard, he's being pulled as the guard he
Speaker 1: could still he's still looking for blocks, he's still trying
Speaker 1: to get latterly and to block the blitzers. And I
Speaker 1: still I like to I like how whenever I'm watching him,
Speaker 1: I can see that he is able to block blitzer.
Speaker 1: So if he's being pulled in a situation like that,
Speaker 1: he can latterly block very well, which is not very
Speaker 1: common for a guard. And I feel like he really
Speaker 1: does that well. And so I think that one of
Speaker 1: the last things that I want to say about Strange
Speaker 1: is he actually reminds me a little bit of Larry Allen,
Speaker 1: who is if anybody doesn't know, he's a really good
Speaker 1: left guard for the Cowboys and forty nine ers of
Speaker 1: the past. And I feel like the agility of Strange,
Speaker 1: and it's above average forty time, is actually very similar
Speaker 1: to Larry Allen, and like Alan, Strange will be able
Speaker 1: to block more consistent consistently in a zone run plays
Speaker 1: where he can use his athletics athleticism to set up
Speaker 1: blocks for his running backs. I don't even know what
Speaker 1: to I don't even knew where to go from here.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, maybe I should just bow out
Speaker 1: and let Alex host the Shyer replacement. John. Yeah, right right.
Speaker 1: I just said that earlier, didn't I good job research,
Speaker 1: Thank you, good job of research. Real. I love the
Speaker 1: comparison to Larry Allen, though, I mean, I you know,
Speaker 1: I think that should give you know, fans a chance
Speaker 1: to sort of picture how you think Cole might end
Speaker 1: up becoming. If he could become Larry Allen, who was
Speaker 1: a Pro Bowl, All Pro caliber player, then I think
Speaker 1: the Patriots would be in really good shape. And one
Speaker 1: of the things that we've talked about, you know, since
Speaker 1: the draft over the last couple of months, is the
Speaker 1: fact that, look, the Patriots traditionally, like when they draft
Speaker 1: a plug and play, they find guys that they know
Speaker 1: they can play right away. So it's not fancy, they
Speaker 1: don't get you know, they don't go for the hot name.
Speaker 1: They go for a guy that they know they can
Speaker 1: depend upon to be in the starting line from day one.
Speaker 1: And so we said with Cole Stranger's pick, that is
Speaker 1: a typical Bill Belichick in New England Patriot plug and
Speaker 1: play draft pick. The guy that can come in, take
Speaker 1: the spot, hold it for ten years, you know, knock
Speaker 1: on wood right, and you know, for injuries and stuff
Speaker 1: and then keep it and develop into a you know,
Speaker 1: an all pro caliber player. Sounds to me like, you know,
Speaker 1: he's got the chance, although I will admit I'm not
Speaker 1: sure why. Maybe his lack of I don't want to
Speaker 1: say a lack of strength. The dude could you know,
Speaker 1: bench press all of us together all at once. But
Speaker 1: all I'm saying is with the thirty one reps, maybe
Speaker 1: that's just because of his quickness. Yes, yeah, I feel
Speaker 1: like he really excels in one area and the thirty
Speaker 1: one reps. It's not like it's just it's not like
Speaker 1: it's a huge downfall for him. He really excels in
Speaker 1: one area and he's not losing much in the other.
Speaker 1: So I feel like this is definitely a typical Patriots
Speaker 1: pick right here. Yeah, agreed with you, John, Who do
Speaker 1: you who else? Do you think you got somebody in
Speaker 1: mind that you're thinking Mike to actually show up and
Speaker 1: get some PT this year? Definitely? So I think, um,
Speaker 1: yep is your Mike even on yeah there you go.
Speaker 1: Oh you were trying to call farlier? Okay, now it's
Speaker 1: on go so uh yeah, definitely, So I think, Um,
Speaker 1: I personally think Sam Roberts a defensive end. Uh. You know,
Speaker 1: he came from Northwest Missouri State. Um, he's twenty four
Speaker 1: years old. Uh and he had six and half sacks
Speaker 1: last year in college. Um and I know like that.
Speaker 1: Currently in the starting defensive ends the Patriot star Teacher
Speaker 1: Wise Junior and Hen Andrew Anderson, but neither of them
Speaker 1: had more than three sacks last season. Uh. Sam Roberts
Speaker 1: had like eighteen for loss at Northwest Missouri State, you know,
Speaker 1: which is like the eight best be in Beercrat history. Um.
Speaker 1: You know. I think another upside of playing Roberts as
Speaker 1: his movement for his size is very good for a rookie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so that's why I can I definitely I think
Speaker 1: he would be a surprise for friends with playing time
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two, Robert's sixth round draft pick. Uh
Speaker 1: see six five, two ninety five. Right, Yeah, okay, excellent.
Speaker 1: Now here's a guy though, as a Division two player
Speaker 1: that probably comes in with a little bit of the
Speaker 1: spyglass on anyway, But the Patriots have had a very
Speaker 1: successful Division to play over the last couple of years,
Speaker 1: where I don't think anybody should be surprised that they
Speaker 1: took him right. So in this regard, this could be
Speaker 1: an opportunity again for a smaller school player to kind
Speaker 1: of get his name known right and get his action
Speaker 1: known right. Okay, good stuff, all right, Michael, who you got?
Speaker 1: Who do you like? As far as a potential newbie
Speaker 1: getting a playing time. I have a QB kind of
Speaker 1: from another smaller school from He's a rookie from Western Michigan.
Speaker 1: It's Bailey's app He was selected in the fourth round.
Speaker 1: And uh, and and in Western Kentucky he played actually
Speaker 1: really good. He led the nation in yards he had.
Speaker 1: He led it in yards by one thousand, ninety five
Speaker 1: yards and touchdowns he led by fifteen. The second most
Speaker 1: was Bryce Sound from Alabama. And uh. In twenty twenty
Speaker 1: one he had a completion presnage of sixty nine point five.
Speaker 1: That's really good. And and now you know, people will say,
Speaker 1: you know, uh, you know, Western Kentucky isn't isn't isn't great.
Speaker 1: You know, it's not like you know, you know, Western
Speaker 1: Kentucky to the NFL will be a big, big move.
Speaker 1: And it is. But like when he played an applex
Speaker 1: in state last year in a bowl game, he had
Speaker 1: four hundred twenty two yards and appleach date isn't that
Speaker 1: bad of a program. And he broke the FS single
Speaker 1: season records that I said, right, and Bailey's apps. He
Speaker 1: has good actressy on short immedia throws. He throws a
Speaker 1: good deep ball. He's a good thrower, went on moving
Speaker 1: out of the pocket. Uh not not not a great athlete,
Speaker 1: you know, like Patrick or Lamar Jackson. But but he
Speaker 1: could run and not and I think he could very
Speaker 1: easily beat out Hoyer for the backup job behind macab
Speaker 1: I think eventually I'm going to agree with you on
Speaker 1: that one. But here's the thing. We won't see we
Speaker 1: won't see his happy until well, we'll see him probably
Speaker 1: in the preseason, and then if we see him at
Speaker 1: all during the regular season, something is going horribly wrong. Yeah. Right,
Speaker 1: So that's why I'm saying, Okay, that's a good observation,
Speaker 1: and you're right. I thought he was outstanding at Western Kentucky.
Speaker 1: I became aware of him at Appalachian, then he transferred
Speaker 1: in Western Kentucky. I think I saw him play last
Speaker 1: year and turn remember the game I saw on TV.
Speaker 1: I think it was Texas San Antonio was a Conference
Speaker 1: USA title game. I think and he threw for like
Speaker 1: seven hundred yards something astronomical in the game, and I'm thinking, Wow,
Speaker 1: if you're ever looking for a guy, and I didn't
Speaker 1: even think about it, but if you were looking for
Speaker 1: a guy that can get it down the field, this
Speaker 1: guy looks like he can. Yeah, and then lo and
Speaker 1: behold they end up drafted him. So will he show, Well,
Speaker 1: he'll have to show in the preseason, I would imagine,
Speaker 1: although I can't imagine that Mac wouldn't get uh significant
Speaker 1: you know, first quarter or first half snaps at least
Speaker 1: in a couple of those games, because let's face it,
Speaker 1: he's going through his first training camp as a starter.
Speaker 1: He's only been around for a year, so Zappy is
Speaker 1: only going to be a project. Yeah, and I agree
Speaker 1: with you. I think at some point in time they
Speaker 1: do feel like he could move into the potential backup roll. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, eight five five pats five hundred. Sean's in
Speaker 1: Vancouver wants to join the conversation. Hey Sean, how's it going.
Speaker 1: Hey John, good to speak with you again. Have you
Speaker 1: been you two? Man? It's all good. I'm just I'm
Speaker 1: just I'm just glad it started, you know. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we've been waiting for this. So the four topics, I'm
Speaker 1: going to go to them quickly because I wanted to
Speaker 1: bring up something you kind of alluded to something earlier. Yeah,
Speaker 1: on the secondary, I think we're going to see a
Speaker 1: lot of safety play and I'm gonna kind of give
Speaker 1: way to little but Deuce was saying in terms of
Speaker 1: the corners and Terrence Mitchell might actually be one of
Speaker 1: the starters with Mills. Well, we'll see a lot of
Speaker 1: rotation within that and hopefully so you're not Jonathan Jones,
Speaker 1: so you're not thinking Malcolm Butler is going to figure
Speaker 1: into this thing at all. No, he could be there.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's going to get cut, but well,
Speaker 1: we'll see. You know what I like about Mitchell is
Speaker 1: he's got that that kind of fight where he's always
Speaker 1: been down and he's always seemed to come back. So
Speaker 1: even though he didn't necessarily have the innate, innate skills
Speaker 1: that some other players have, he has that drive. So
Speaker 1: I kind of like that, and probably Butler might have
Speaker 1: that as well since he's been away for a year.
Speaker 1: Maybe he wants I'll see how hungry he is, right right,
Speaker 1: that's true, But I'm not ruling anybody out. It's kind
Speaker 1: of a mystery anyway, right, So we'll see what happened.
Speaker 1: And linebackers Bentley, I imagine we'll be there every first
Speaker 1: and second down. He's going to be a stable but
Speaker 1: I don't know if he counts the edge guys linebackers
Speaker 1: because Judon is going to play every down, so they'll
Speaker 1: be there if he's a linebacker or not. But you
Speaker 1: need someone on the other side. So if he who emerges,
Speaker 1: if it's going to be Kirkins, who's going to be Chas,
Speaker 1: you know, someone has to come up and be able
Speaker 1: to set the edge on the other side. Maybe they'll
Speaker 1: they'll bring back someone like uh the guy went to
Speaker 1: Detroit has been mentioned as a free agent. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: can for some of the names, but just left the team.
Speaker 1: Are you are you talking about Jamie Collins? No, no, no, Um,
Speaker 1: he's with the Patriots before and showed some pass Russian flowers.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, yeah yeah yeah yeah tree Flowers. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Young players that could be on the rise. I think
Speaker 1: he Pierre strong with if we don't see James White
Speaker 1: come back, if he if he can't recover, I think
Speaker 1: he could fight for that third down spot with Montgomery,
Speaker 1: So we'll see what happens with with Pierre strong Rum.
Speaker 1: And there's another young player I want to talk about that.
Speaker 1: I'm going to get to that in a second. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll just get your fourth topic. Does really matter about
Speaker 1: play calling? Yes and no. I think play calling is important,
Speaker 1: But I think the Patriots have the best head coach
Speaker 1: of all time, and he's going to be able to
Speaker 1: help things be pretty well coached. I mean they're gonna
Speaker 1: change things. I think, make things a little simpler, so
Speaker 1: it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out how
Speaker 1: to call offensive plays. And I think there's been a
Speaker 1: little bit too much made of this. I hear way
Speaker 1: more about the Patriots play calling and troubles a coaching
Speaker 1: than I do, say Miami, who has a rookie head coach.
Speaker 1: I'd rather be in our situation with the best head
Speaker 1: coach in the world than than a new question market
Speaker 1: head coaching, even if you do have someone who's may
Speaker 1: be considered I think yeah, I just I think Sean.
Speaker 1: I think Sean. Too many people are getting, you know,
Speaker 1: all high and tight on this, and I don't think
Speaker 1: there's any I don't think there's any need for it. Look,
Speaker 1: I have to admit, like everybody else, it's strange because
Speaker 1: it's just nobody's done it before. But I mean, then again,
Speaker 1: this is the Patriots, this is Bill Belichick, and you
Speaker 1: know they've never done things by the book. When is
Speaker 1: the When have the Patriots done things by the book?
Speaker 1: So yeah, kind of they author the book. So I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, let's let's look at it this way. If
Speaker 1: the Patriots have any kind of success at all, don't
Speaker 1: be surprised as the other teams follow that model, you know,
Speaker 1: and decide, you know, hey, well, first of all, we
Speaker 1: don't want to be known as running team, passing team,
Speaker 1: throwing team, you know what. We don't want to be
Speaker 1: known as that. We want to keep the other team's guessing.
Speaker 1: And look, the fact is is that in this day
Speaker 1: and age, anybody can get anything, you know, off of
Speaker 1: the net. They share film, they share tape, they share it,
Speaker 1: you know, the all twenty twos. I mean, everybody knows
Speaker 1: what everybody's gonna call. So this is not rocket science
Speaker 1: that we're dealing with here. You try to look at
Speaker 1: coaches who might you know, have a tendency to call
Speaker 1: certain plays in certain situations. And that's really about it.
Speaker 1: Nobody really knows what Matt Patricia is gonna call, or
Speaker 1: what Joe Judge you're gonna call, or who anybody's gonna call,
Speaker 1: or Belichick, right, or even Bill Belichick, So why would
Speaker 1: we tell them. That's just kind of how I've always
Speaker 1: looked at it. Yeah, for sure. And talking about books,
Speaker 1: I've talked about this last month. The book that I
Speaker 1: really think every Patriots banner or anybody who has an
Speaker 1: interest in football should read. It's The Dynasty by Jeff
Speaker 1: Benedict Yea, and that really says a lot about crafts,
Speaker 1: you know, being in the Hall of Fame. Of course,
Speaker 1: this dynasty is all about three people. Mostly, It's Robert Kraft,
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick, and Tom Brady and yeah and then no one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they don't exist without each other. No, that's true. Together
Speaker 1: the three of them as as as an entity, our way,
Speaker 1: you know, the group is stronger than the individual. And
Speaker 1: I don't think any one of those three wouldn't necessarily
Speaker 1: disagree with that. And that includes Tom with all due respect.
Speaker 1: You know, we love Tom for what he did here,
Speaker 1: you know, over his time, and that will never go away.
Speaker 1: It's a part of the history books. You know, mister
Speaker 1: Craft and coach Belichick are still here and they're trying
Speaker 1: to rebuild to get back to that level. And I'm
Speaker 1: certainly not going to doubt them for doing it. We'll
Speaker 1: we'll find out soon enough. And if they don't, then
Speaker 1: guess what, somebody else will step in and do it,
Speaker 1: because that's the nature of the business, right And you know,
Speaker 1: with Bob Kraft, you just find out how selfless he
Speaker 1: was and how much health he was not just the
Speaker 1: Patriots but to the NFL. He's just instrumental in making
Speaker 1: this a huge success in terms of seeing a giant
Speaker 1: industry right now. The thing I want to get to, yeah,
Speaker 1: in regard to the future of this team this season
Speaker 1: is is what went right and what went wrong last year?
Speaker 1: With the passing game. Last year, the Patriots were really good.
Speaker 1: You know, facing zone, they were able to get the
Speaker 1: ball out quickly, Um read that right away, and and
Speaker 1: and receivers who ran the right routes and even at
Speaker 1: tight ends the boat hunter Henry that ran the right
Speaker 1: route and it got to the ball and that was successful.
Speaker 1: But what teams adjusted to do, especially if they had
Speaker 1: good corners as playing man and with the type of
Speaker 1: players of Patriots had last years. They didn't have the
Speaker 1: speed to get away from man coverage, and that's when
Speaker 1: pressure got to Matt Jones and they had more sacks
Speaker 1: that way. And and when third and long they were terrible.
Speaker 1: Even though they were great when they were in short
Speaker 1: yardage was probably best in the NFL. When it was
Speaker 1: third and nine or more, they were laughed. So they
Speaker 1: need they really emphasized that speed. And that's why Thornton,
Speaker 1: like you mentioned, had a good camp today. He needs
Speaker 1: to be the difference because they need to open up
Speaker 1: a defense is to make sure they're not playing man.
Speaker 1: They have to beat them deep and say, hey, you
Speaker 1: want to do this, We're gonna We're gonna get by you.
Speaker 1: And that will make a huge jump for Mac joneson
Speaker 1: year two. I'm with you on Thornton. Did you guys
Speaker 1: consider Taekwon Thornton at all in your thought process about
Speaker 1: a rookie that might be able to stand out And
Speaker 1: if so, what did you think about his ability to
Speaker 1: stay or even to excel on the field. Michael, did
Speaker 1: you have him? Uh? Yeah, Tae Kwon fifty fiftieth pick
Speaker 1: he Uh. I like his run blocking right, Uh? He's
Speaker 1: a slightly built guy too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, six three
Speaker 1: eighty three so he's tall, uh, I mean four two
Speaker 1: he ran a four two. He's fast. I mean speed
Speaker 1: and height is going for him. For the NFL, you
Speaker 1: have to be tall and fast. He has that. I mean,
Speaker 1: rhys Me have a Tyreek Hill. You know, good hands.
Speaker 1: You know, he's fast, he's tall. If he can be
Speaker 1: a half of the speed of Tyreek Hill, I think
Speaker 1: we'd all be thrilled. Yeah. Right, And like route running
Speaker 1: is good, like Keenan Allen, you know, route running is good.
Speaker 1: So everything is there for him, I think to be
Speaker 1: at least, you know, a starter somewhere down the road. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would agree with it. By the way, I'm kind
Speaker 1: of I've been a kind of in the Thornton corner.
Speaker 1: Even though the Patriots took him, it's kind of like,
Speaker 1: why are they taking him here? But they can say
Speaker 1: that about almost anybody the Patriots took this year in
Speaker 1: the draft, right Sean, So you know, hey, they gotta
Speaker 1: get they gotta get out there and prove it at
Speaker 1: some point. And yeah, I think he's got a shot too,
Speaker 1: got a shot another another player that I really hope
Speaker 1: and it looks like he might come in and make
Speaker 1: an impact. Was last year's rookie Trey Nixon. And if
Speaker 1: he can actually be the next Welker or Edelman in
Speaker 1: the spot and be someone who gets open quickly, that's
Speaker 1: going to be such a huge help. So I'm really
Speaker 1: seeing what happened with him, and maybe that can make
Speaker 1: Myers and you know Born just more perimeter. Guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Bill's already talked about Trey so and he did that,
Speaker 1: you know, through the rookie camp and through the OTAs
Speaker 1: as well. So yeah, I'm anxious to see what he
Speaker 1: can do and what he gets his shot you know,
Speaker 1: to uh, you know catch you know, darts from the
Speaker 1: other end during preseason. You know, what does he do
Speaker 1: with it? My guess is is he'll have to probably
Speaker 1: do significantly just in order to uh, you know, to
Speaker 1: solidify his spot on the roster. I'd like to see
Speaker 1: him have a shot at that for sure. All Right,
Speaker 1: it's great talking to you again, John Sean. Thanks man,
Speaker 1: I appreciate you. Yeah, I appreciate you as always. Eight
Speaker 1: five five pats five hundred, eight five five pats five hundred. Guys,
Speaker 1: it's a really good start. Wait to go Okay, second
Speaker 1: time out, We're gonna roll team number two in here.
Speaker 1: What are we talking about next? Defensive backfield? Is that
Speaker 1: what you guys had? Yeah, corner? Who's going to play
Speaker 1: in the backfield? We don't. I mean, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of question marks, but that may be the single biggest
Speaker 1: question mark for this team this season. That's coming up
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Speaker 1: Date in Q two twenty twenty. This is Patriot's Playbook
Speaker 1: Elected Welcome back into the Playbook. It is the July edition.
Speaker 1: Opening day of training camp here at Gillette Stadium in Foxborough.
Speaker 1: Patriots got their first days in. Didn't seem to be
Speaker 1: any huge issues one way or the other. There was
Speaker 1: some good play out there, and I'm sure there was
Speaker 1: a lot of things that which Belichick would talk about
Speaker 1: and largely would say, yeah, well, you know, it's first
Speaker 1: day of training camp. We need to work on it,
Speaker 1: and yeah, and then that's what they're gonna do. The
Speaker 1: breaking news that we had to open the program today
Speaker 1: if you're just joining us, mister Kraft Robert Kraft nominated
Speaker 1: as a finalist for the Pro Football Hall of Fame
Speaker 1: class at twenty twenty three, which is also pretty cool.
Speaker 1: I got an email here from Alex in Pentucket, Rhode Island,
Speaker 1: which is kind of cool. He said, like to chime
Speaker 1: in with some answers for a question or two and
Speaker 1: then ask a question for you. The answers he said
Speaker 1: on the young Player, our last group of dean sportscasters
Speaker 1: that were studying that. He says, we need to see
Speaker 1: Josh Uch, also Ray Kwon McMillan, any cornerback the defense
Speaker 1: needs to show up. And then he says, does it
Speaker 1: matter as far as the play callers? It could have
Speaker 1: an effect on the overall ability to adjust at times,
Speaker 1: but I think the players are going to be the
Speaker 1: same or similar and Mac needs to execute. And then
Speaker 1: his question how big of a factor does the unknown
Speaker 1: nature of the defense play into how the season goes,
Speaker 1: I think the defense is going to have some serious
Speaker 1: growing pains. Could be the reason the team loses shootouts.
Speaker 1: Interesting question. I might just kind of pose that to
Speaker 1: the guys that are jumping in right now. My second
Speaker 1: group of dean sports broadcasters here, I've got James, Nick, Jack,
Speaker 1: and Aiden. So, James, why don't you start introduce yourself
Speaker 1: and where you're from? All right? I'm James Day. I'm
Speaker 1: from Hamilton, Massachusetts. Finally somebody from Massachusetts. Great, all right,
Speaker 1: go I'm Nick Bourne. I'm from mary Macknew Hampshire, MC, Newhampshire. Okay,
Speaker 1: well you're in New England at least. All right we're starting. Okay,
Speaker 1: go Jack, Hi, I'm Jack Pine. I'm from Warwick, Rhode Island. Warwick,
Speaker 1: Rhode Island. How did I not know that you were
Speaker 1: a roadie guy? Must have just slipped through the cracks,
Speaker 1: I must have. Okay, what high school do you go to?
Speaker 1: High school? Pilgrim? All right, very good, very good. Aiden,
Speaker 1: I'm Aiden Mbar. I'm from New York, Long Island specifically,
Speaker 1: and yeah, that's it. Are you Giants fan or jetson?
Speaker 1: I'm a Giants fan. I grew up in the city,
Speaker 1: you went to games all the time. Okay, that's fair.
Speaker 1: No bragging over the two Super Bowls where you kicked
Speaker 1: the Patriots bucks, Okay, yeah, it's I mean it was
Speaker 1: all luck too. Oh see, say we finally have it
Speaker 1: from an expert. It was all luck that the Giants won,
Speaker 1: Right it was, and David Tyree had velcrow on his helmet. Right, yeah,
Speaker 1: I would say something similar. At least it's you can't
Speaker 1: credit it to Eli. Let's just say that it's Oh God, Aiden,
Speaker 1: I knew I liked you already. Okay, that's a good job,
Speaker 1: all right. So hey, um, what do you guys think
Speaker 1: of the question? Let's just start with that one before
Speaker 1: we get into the cornerback issue, all right, But the
Speaker 1: question was how big of a factor does the unknown
Speaker 1: nature of the defense, which the cornerback question March I
Speaker 1: think are playing into this, right because we don't know
Speaker 1: who's going to be out there, But how big of
Speaker 1: a nature does that play into how this entire season
Speaker 1: goes to make any sense to you guys? On that one?
Speaker 1: I mean, how big of a factor is it going
Speaker 1: to be? Does the defense need to be able to
Speaker 1: stop somebody to get off of the field. I mean,
Speaker 1: I would tell you that then you'd be able to
Speaker 1: stop the buffal of Bills at least once they can
Speaker 1: punt like once, right, Yeah, what do you think I mean?
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, defense is well, wins championships,
Speaker 1: and if the Patriots want any shot at end of
Speaker 1: the postseason, maybe even fighting the Bills again for a
Speaker 1: division championship. That's where it starts. Defense wins championships, end
Speaker 1: of story. Really okay, well, defense definitely wins them. But
Speaker 1: I think most fans today would probably say, you know,
Speaker 1: offense is you know, as long as you've got a
Speaker 1: team that can outscore the other team, you're in good shape,
Speaker 1: no question. So you know, it's a little it's a
Speaker 1: little different. I think football has evolved in the era
Speaker 1: of you know, throwing spread all defenses, five wides, all
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, to the point where defense has
Speaker 1: largely been shall we say, deemphasized. Yeah, but I think
Speaker 1: I think good offense can beat good defense on any
Speaker 1: given day, especially with the way quarterbacks have changed their
Speaker 1: game and evolved into today's game. You see Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 1: and Josh Allen airing the ball out sixty plus yards
Speaker 1: down the field, and when you have receivers like Tyreek
Speaker 1: Hill or you know, for Patriots fans, you gonna have
Speaker 1: Taykewon Thornton, one of the fastest receivers in the league
Speaker 1: just coming out of college. Yeah, DeVante Parker as well.
Speaker 1: I mean, not many defensive backs can keep up with it,
Speaker 1: no matter who it is. And if you have someone
Speaker 1: who can air the ball out sixty yards down field,
Speaker 1: two of those receivers, there's no way that you can
Speaker 1: beat that. And so that's what the saying comes where
Speaker 1: defense wins championships. But I think defensive win championships if
Speaker 1: you could pressure the quarterback, and especially in New England
Speaker 1: where you have Mac Jones, who you see, like Tom
Speaker 1: Brady wasn't the best athlete, but he was always able
Speaker 1: to avoid pressure in mac Jones hasn't proven that to
Speaker 1: be his best strength yet, and I think that if
Speaker 1: he can improve on that, and then maybe you could
Speaker 1: say that the defense can get better and they could
Speaker 1: go through their growing pains and they could still win
Speaker 1: games and fight the Bills for a division championship. But
Speaker 1: I think for now, you have to watch that defense
Speaker 1: grow and you have to see what happens with who
Speaker 1: calls place for that defense and you know who's coaching
Speaker 1: these units because as and we know how proven Bill
Speaker 1: Belichick is, we can't really say what the defense is
Speaker 1: going to do, especially with these unproven guys. You know,
Speaker 1: Jalen Mills who had a rough rookie year. You have
Speaker 1: Jonathan Jones who was injured last year. You have Sean
Speaker 1: Wade who didn't really get to play much, Terrence Mitchell
Speaker 1: who also didn't get to play much last year. And
Speaker 1: you know, these are your guys that are getting first
Speaker 1: team reps today in training camp and so far it's
Speaker 1: been going well from what we heard today, but you
Speaker 1: never know what's going to happen three four weeks into
Speaker 1: preseason and you know, heading into those first couple matchups
Speaker 1: in the regular season. Okay, really well done because you
Speaker 1: allow me to take a selfie while we're in here
Speaker 1: with you guys talking and everything. So that was really good. Aiden.
Speaker 1: I mean, we'll flip the switch on it. You can go,
Speaker 1: and then when I flip the switch down, you can stop.
Speaker 1: That's great, Well done, all right, So any other thoughts
Speaker 1: about the question that was brought up about you know,
Speaker 1: having young players are having you know, the corners in particular,
Speaker 1: maybe having an overall effect on the Defensebody just want
Speaker 1: to try that one. Yeah, you know, I think especially
Speaker 1: with how the like there's no certain lineup set for
Speaker 1: Week one, I think that that can help the Patriots
Speaker 1: because early in the season, people won't know who their
Speaker 1: defense will match up with. So I think the uncertainty
Speaker 1: can play to an advantage. But it all depends on
Speaker 1: how good the secondary ends up coming out of camp
Speaker 1: right right, And especially with dudes like Jalen Mills and
Speaker 1: Kyle Dugger who have both played safety and corner, right,
Speaker 1: it's kind of finding a defined role before they can
Speaker 1: get into the season. All right, Well, let's jump into
Speaker 1: that now, because I mean, clearly, you know, the question
Speaker 1: of the day that we wanted you guys to tackle
Speaker 1: was who's ultimately going to play in the defensive backfield,
Speaker 1: especially at corner. So James, I'll lead off with you here.
Speaker 1: What do you think in terms of the personnel, who's
Speaker 1: likely to stand out maybe be there when the regular
Speaker 1: season starts. Well, I feel like one person that will
Speaker 1: definitely start. I feel like, um, Malcolm Butler will definitely
Speaker 1: step up. You know, they brought him back after letting
Speaker 1: him go a few years ago. You know, he had
Speaker 1: that huge play in the Super Bowl a few years
Speaker 1: back that really was synonymous with him. And he's looked
Speaker 1: pretty good so far in training camp. You know, he
Speaker 1: made a few plays, but then after he did give
Speaker 1: up a fifty yard touchdown that Mac Jones threw. But overall,
Speaker 1: they've said he's done a pretty good job and I'm
Speaker 1: looking forward to seeing what he can do. And I
Speaker 1: feel like he will definitely play a huge role, especially
Speaker 1: as a veteran, being a leader to these younger guys. Oh,
Speaker 1: I was gonna I was gonna interject, and I was
Speaker 1: gonna let you finish, but I'll go ahead and interject.
Speaker 1: Guy's been out of football for a year. How big
Speaker 1: of a factor is that going to be? Well, it'll
Speaker 1: definitely take him a little bit to get back into it,
Speaker 1: but I feel like, especially with Bill Belichick as the code,
Speaker 1: she's definitely going to be pushing him, making sure he's,
Speaker 1: you know, watching film still in the way room, getting ready,
Speaker 1: making sure he's ready for the season. And I feel
Speaker 1: like normally with veteran players, you don't see him play
Speaker 1: as much in the preseason. I'm hoping he actually plays
Speaker 1: a lot in the preseason so that he can get
Speaker 1: these reps and get you know, shake off the russ
Speaker 1: make sure he's ready to go for the season. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, anybody else? What about another player besides Malcolm?
Speaker 1: All right, Jack? Go all right? Um, I'd probably say
Speaker 1: Jalen Mills is looking to BCB one going into this year.
Speaker 1: Tough first year overall, but he was serviceable for the
Speaker 1: large majority of the season, especially starting out, and then
Speaker 1: as it kind of wounds one down, his consistency dropped off,
Speaker 1: especially against Buffalo. He had that issue before the game
Speaker 1: where he was dancing with the rest of the secondary.
Speaker 1: And I think that he can learn from that and
Speaker 1: and probably be the leader of the group because they
Speaker 1: really need someone to grab the Mills's experiences up there,
Speaker 1: I think with butlers, and you know, that's just because
Speaker 1: where he's been around, he's been a veteran presence. I mean,
Speaker 1: what he lacks I think in maybe some overall athleticism,
Speaker 1: he's been one of those guys I think that's actually
Speaker 1: been a smart player. Yeah, I would agree. Overall, I
Speaker 1: think his intelligence really needs to translate into some leadership
Speaker 1: to the younger guys. Needs to kind of lead the
Speaker 1: pack a bit, Okay, to prevent what happened at the
Speaker 1: end of last year. Okay, all right, So we have Butler,
Speaker 1: we have Mills. Who else is going to stand out,
Speaker 1: aid and you want to try it? Yeah, Adrian Phillips
Speaker 1: for sure as a nickel cornerback. You know, maybe at
Speaker 1: some points he can move and cover something else that's
Speaker 1: strong safety if he if we need him there, also
Speaker 1: depends on your Bill Pepper's availability, but I think for now, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Peppers starting the year on the pup list. Yeah, as
Speaker 1: well as Jonathan Jones, but both of them hopefully we'll
Speaker 1: come into play a big role in that defense. Because
Speaker 1: we'll talk about your Bill Peppers later on because I
Speaker 1: do want to touch on that, as you know, I've
Speaker 1: seen him play on the Giants as well, and I
Speaker 1: have something right like to talk about there. Cool, But
Speaker 1: Adrian Phillips, I mean, very very underrated cornerback. He's a
Speaker 1: great cover quarterback and in nickel defense, which Bill Belichick
Speaker 1: does like to come out in a nickel package a lot.
Speaker 1: It will help. It will help the Patriots if he's
Speaker 1: there and he could just kind of be there and
Speaker 1: lock up whoever he can, and it's probably gonna be
Speaker 1: the second receiver. It's not gonna be a wide receiver one.
Speaker 1: I think that's where Jalen Mills is going to be,
Speaker 1: like we said, but he can honestly come in and
Speaker 1: defend passes and help out these cornerbacks who are in
Speaker 1: the slot. And we saw last year he had one
Speaker 1: of the best passer ratings on the team when it
Speaker 1: was thrown to him. You know, it was very good.
Speaker 1: He had a couple of deflections, he had foreign receptions,
Speaker 1: and that's just not the interceptions tell the story. You
Speaker 1: see a lot of guys have a lot of interceptions
Speaker 1: but don't play well. I think Adrian Phillips is the
Speaker 1: opposite of that, where you see his numbers translate into
Speaker 1: good play as well. Okay, very good, Nick, you got
Speaker 1: one that figure in besides the guys that we've mentioned. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think once Jonathan Jones is healthy, he'll be the
Speaker 1: number one slot. Yeah. I agree with that, by the one,
Speaker 1: because he has the size to cover big tight ends yep,
Speaker 1: and pretty sizable receivers like I mean, Julio Jones comes
Speaker 1: to mind because he's six four, So anyone who's a
Speaker 1: bigger receiver I think he'll cover. Hey, wait, what did
Speaker 1: you guys think about Julio Jones signing with the Bucks?
Speaker 1: You saw that right? Yeah, he wants a ring ring
Speaker 1: chasing Yeah, cheap contract one year week. I mean that's
Speaker 1: no guarantee. By the way, you know they have a
Speaker 1: forty five year old guy quarterback, right, some guys get
Speaker 1: a bit of experience. That's wait, that's like older than me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: getting there. I'm sorry, Nick, I jumped down on you.
Speaker 1: Go ahead. Uh. Yeah, So I think Jonathan Jones really
Speaker 1: struggled with consistency when he played. Yep, So I think
Speaker 1: taking time to rehab because he's still on the pup list. Ye,
Speaker 1: I think he shouldn't play until he's one hundred percent
Speaker 1: so he can kind of work on his game before
Speaker 1: he forces himself back onto the field. Okay, fair enough. Uh.
Speaker 1: Claire sent me an email. She said, I called, but
Speaker 1: the call cut out. Now I can't get through. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I was hoping to talk to you guys today just
Speaker 1: to touch on what I was going to say. The
Speaker 1: linebacker corps is going to be so different to what
Speaker 1: we're used to as all youth and barely any veteran presence. Now,
Speaker 1: which we are going to touch on here shortly. With
Speaker 1: the quarterback. I think a lot depends on how Malcolm
Speaker 1: Butler starts out as the example for the draftees of
Speaker 1: Marcus and Jack Jones, or if he doesn't even start.
Speaker 1: And then she said there's a lot of safeties on
Speaker 1: this roster that may reflect over into the season depending
Speaker 1: upon how injuries move into the regular season. That's Claire
Speaker 1: in the UK. Guys, what do you think about the
Speaker 1: two young guys and Marcus and Jack Jones. I think
Speaker 1: that Marcus and Mac Jones, Um, they are pretty good
Speaker 1: pickups in the draft. Marcus Jones mainly for special teams reasons.
Speaker 1: He can really help in the return game. Um. Jack Jones,
Speaker 1: he did pretty well in coverage. Um, let's go. I
Speaker 1: can just get his stats up here. Okay, but keep
Speaker 1: talking while you're doing. Sorry, Well, he had a seventy
Speaker 1: nine of the trade there no problem than he had
Speaker 1: a seventy nine point four overall coverage grade in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one against defenses at Arizona State, or rather against
Speaker 1: offenses theirs in the state. Excuse me, um. He had
Speaker 1: three interceptions, three touchdowns allowed, played three hundred fifty one
Speaker 1: coverage snaps. That's courtesy of Pro Football Focus. UM. I
Speaker 1: mean Jack Jones, Um, he can play man defense. UM.
Speaker 1: I think getting him into the Belichick system is going
Speaker 1: to be great. UM. Development wise, get a few young
Speaker 1: guys in here, Marcus Jones, Um, we see a lot
Speaker 1: of guys who can return, who can also help out
Speaker 1: in the secondary. We see that. We've seen that before
Speaker 1: with Devin mccordy. But I think Jack Jones mainly will
Speaker 1: be a pretty good pickup. I hope. So. I certainly
Speaker 1: did say I'm with young corners. I have a tendency
Speaker 1: to think that, you know, frankly, they either can over
Speaker 1: inflate their worth. I think that they can burn out.
Speaker 1: I think that they could be flashing the pans. I
Speaker 1: just need to see consistency. I don't need to see personally.
Speaker 1: I don't need to see some wow me. What I
Speaker 1: want to see is just somebody be there, you know,
Speaker 1: the ability to make a play and maybe if the
Speaker 1: receiver reaches over him and makes the grab, okay, fine,
Speaker 1: but he was right there. You can't defend that play
Speaker 1: any better than that. That's what I want to see
Speaker 1: at a young guys, because so they can consistently do that,
Speaker 1: then I think they got a chance to stick in
Speaker 1: and hopefully contribute to the team. Touching on consistency, today
Speaker 1: in training camp, we saw that it was Jalen Mills,
Speaker 1: Jalen Mills, Terrence Mitchell, and Sean Wade where reportedly they
Speaker 1: consistently really good cornerbacks for the Patriots. Today they really
Speaker 1: showed a lot of consistency, and that's been the problem
Speaker 1: with a lot of guys with a lot of these
Speaker 1: guys in the past, Jalen Mills and Terrence Mitchell especially,
Speaker 1: and for guys that are fighting for roster spots like
Speaker 1: Mitchell and Wade, it's going to be important for them
Speaker 1: to really show their consistency because at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, that's what we need starting for us come
Speaker 1: week one. I mean, we don't have jac Jackson anymore,
Speaker 1: we don't have Stephan Gilmore. We really need to run
Speaker 1: a defensive back by committee approach like the running backs,
Speaker 1: which which I think is going to factor in huge.
Speaker 1: I think the Patriots are gonna run mainly in nickel
Speaker 1: defense going forward, due probably to the lack of linebacker death.
Speaker 1: Mainly nickel defense. You've definitely got the safeties, the hard
Speaker 1: hitting safeties to do the job. You've got Jabrill Peppers,
Speaker 1: you have Kyle Dugger, who in my opinion, can tackle
Speaker 1: and hit like Brandon Merriweather, but raps like Brandon Merriweather.
Speaker 1: Let's touch on Jabrill Peppers because I know Aiden wanted
Speaker 1: to talk about him, and obviously he knows him because
Speaker 1: he saw him played for his Giants. You know, if
Speaker 1: he's able to be healthy, how big of a factor
Speaker 1: does he become. If he's able to be healthy, I
Speaker 1: think he could be one of the cornerstone pieces of
Speaker 1: that defense. You saw him in his first year with
Speaker 1: the Giants. He was a Pro bowler and a lot
Speaker 1: of people thought he should have been an All Pro.
Speaker 1: He wasn't named an All Pro. And his stats, though
Speaker 1: nothing really jumps off the page. He had a sack
Speaker 1: and a half, he had one interception. You see the
Speaker 1: amount of pass deflections he had, which he was in
Speaker 1: the top five in the league at eleven pass deflections
Speaker 1: that year. And he also just he had thirty two
Speaker 1: quarterback hits in just two full seasons with the Giants.
Speaker 1: And the only issue that he really has is his durability.
Speaker 1: And you see that he's so versatile. He could play
Speaker 1: any role that any coach wants to put him in.
Speaker 1: And you saw that the Giants they didn't really have
Speaker 1: a set defense. Their defense one year that he was
Speaker 1: there was pretty awful and one year it was one
Speaker 1: of the better defenses in the league in twenty twenty
Speaker 1: and jeff Bill Peppers was a huge part of that defense.
Speaker 1: Where Week eleven they were had, they had one of
Speaker 1: the top ten defenses in the league, maybe even top five.
Speaker 1: I don't I can't exactly recall the numbers. And then
Speaker 1: he went down with injury and the Giants collapsed and
Speaker 1: ultimately missed the playoffs in the year. And we saw
Speaker 1: that was led to what happened with the injury to
Speaker 1: Jebil Peppers, and you see that if he's able to
Speaker 1: be healthy, he can be a Swiss Army knife for
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick for someone who likes to play their safeties
Speaker 1: like that. You saw Patrick Chung when he was here.
Speaker 1: He would play any role that he could. He could
Speaker 1: cover the run really well. He could also defend the
Speaker 1: pass really well, and he can help someone who gets
Speaker 1: beat over the top because of his speed and Jabill
Speaker 1: Peppers has that speed, he has that versatility, and like
Speaker 1: Jack was saying, he can hit very hard, So there's
Speaker 1: not what I think he's known for, right, Yeah, definitely
Speaker 1: good trade to have, Yeah, definitely. Yeah. And I think
Speaker 1: if he can work hard and get himself back into
Speaker 1: shape because he didn't play much in the last two years,
Speaker 1: then Jabrill Peppers could be one of those better players
Speaker 1: on that Patriots defense. And he can earn himself a
Speaker 1: big contract and resign here or go wherever because he's
Speaker 1: only here for one year nine million dollars, which isn't
Speaker 1: a huge contract, and if he plays as well, that
Speaker 1: value could be very worth the contract. All right, let's
Speaker 1: grab a call here. Brady is in Iowa. Hey Brady,
Speaker 1: you're in the playbook. Hey John, thanks for having me absolutely.
Speaker 1: What's going on today, Yeah, just a couple of things
Speaker 1: kind of wanted to touch on thinking about, you know,
Speaker 1: some of the need that we saw last year. Obviously
Speaker 1: obviously no real clear playmaker, that was a big thing.
Speaker 1: But the thing that stuck out to me even more
Speaker 1: was just the lack of speed we always had on offense,
Speaker 1: especially when we start looking around the lead in these
Speaker 1: guys you know, running running the four two. So what
Speaker 1: do we do we go out draft the fastest wide receiver,
Speaker 1: which you know, some people thought was a stretch. I
Speaker 1: really didn't think it was too much, honestly. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: as he's going to be an immediate impact wide receiver,
Speaker 1: probably not in Taekwon Thornton, but you know, we have
Speaker 1: kind of an eat maybe not a clear number one,
Speaker 1: but a deep wide receiver room where I think we're
Speaker 1: going to see a lot of just it's gonna be
Speaker 1: interesting to see how we use those different receivers in
Speaker 1: different games, because you know, as we've seen in the past,
Speaker 1: you know, a guy might have thirty thirty snaps one
Speaker 1: game and then you know, maybe five or six of
Speaker 1: the next just based on whatever. The strategy. Is really
Speaker 1: really excited to see kind of how Taekwon Thornton gets
Speaker 1: pushed into the offense, but then obviously Peter Strong as well,
Speaker 1: especially with uncertainty with James White. You know, we got
Speaker 1: a really get one two punch with Damien Harris and
Speaker 1: Romandr Stevenson. So I think he's gonna be a great
Speaker 1: passing back U get out of the backfield, just with
Speaker 1: that speed he brings on. I know, I'm I'm looking
Speaker 1: forward to that and along those lines coming out of
Speaker 1: the backfield. I mean, depending upon you know what James
Speaker 1: White his eventual ability to play this year might be.
Speaker 1: I'm really kind of anxious in the preseason to see
Speaker 1: if a guy like Pierre Strong can can sort of
Speaker 1: fill that role. There may be some others, but I
Speaker 1: know that's why they sort of selected him in the
Speaker 1: draft anyway, thinking he could be potentially the third down
Speaker 1: back type of replacement. And so that's the one. That's
Speaker 1: a name that we haven't talked a lot about at
Speaker 1: least on this show yet, and I'm sure his name
Speaker 1: will probably come up more and more as the summer
Speaker 1: progresses here. But that's a guy I think that if
Speaker 1: you want to know how the Patriot's going to go,
Speaker 1: if this guy gets in and get some playing time,
Speaker 1: then I think that versatility on offense is going to
Speaker 1: all of a sudden pop back into place. And that's
Speaker 1: that's what I think the I think that's what this
Speaker 1: team for MC needs to have is part of that versatility,
Speaker 1: a guy like Thornton to stretch it and a guy
Speaker 1: like Strong end or White that type of player also
Speaker 1: to be available. You know, in short, a wheel route
Speaker 1: passes definitely. Yeah. I mean, I guess the thing I'll
Speaker 1: be kind of interesting to see then. I mean when
Speaker 1: we have that passing back back because we didn't have
Speaker 1: James White whole lot. You know, he hasn't been as
Speaker 1: productive or the past couple of years through would hope,
Speaker 1: but um, but it's just kind of interesting to see them.
Speaker 1: You know what we do with this two tight end situation.
Speaker 1: I'm just really you know, this offensive strategy, you know,
Speaker 1: and I think you know, the big elephant the room
Speaker 1: all offseason spent hey who's calling the plays? Obviously, and
Speaker 1: then you know, we bring Matt Patricia back in and
Speaker 1: you know, Will he'd be a guy who can call
Speaker 1: plays probab probably not on offense, but you know it's
Speaker 1: coming for as a defensive mastermind. I got to almost imagine,
Speaker 1: you know, he'd be able to put at least help
Speaker 1: put together pretty good offensive game plan week to week.
Speaker 1: Just absolutely kind of almost reminds me of um, you know,
Speaker 1: back in that it was a twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen
Speaker 1: AFC title game against Kansas City when Tony Romos on
Speaker 1: the call and the next day everybody's kind of like,
Speaker 1: did they just did Tony Romo. Just get the guy
Speaker 1: fired the defensive quarter. But I know, right right, total
Speaker 1: kind of like you know, I have that expertise on
Speaker 1: one side of the ball. It's like, oh yeah, this
Speaker 1: could be you know, this could be a run to
Speaker 1: the right, no doubt, right, absolutely, look down the sideline.
Speaker 1: He comes down, I mean, knows what's going on. So
Speaker 1: you've got to at least be able to put together
Speaker 1: a pretty good strategy. Right, Absolutely cool? Anything else, dope,
Speaker 1: go ahead, Brady, appreciate your time. Man. Guys, So we
Speaker 1: mentioned defensive backs. Who have we left out? Who's the
Speaker 1: surprise safeties? Kyle Dugger? Kyle Dugger? Yeah, I think Kyle
Speaker 1: Duggers is gonna be a great Um. Do you mind
Speaker 1: if I say something that maybe if Brady's listening, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you mentioned Tykwon Thornton just he said he
Speaker 1: doesn't think it's a reach. I agree. Someone I want
Speaker 1: to compare him to. This might be some people might
Speaker 1: think this is a little outlandish, but I see Courtland
Speaker 1: Sutton in him. Um, you know, both bigger receivers, Cortland
Speaker 1: Sutton being six four, two hundred and seven pounds a
Speaker 1: little heavier than Thornton, not as built, but definitely not
Speaker 1: as fast. And I think you saw how proven Courtland
Speaker 1: Sutton was his first year and then towards a clum
Speaker 1: this past year. And if you see now he's kind
Speaker 1: of come back with Russell Wilson. But let's let's switch
Speaker 1: over to Thornton. Here you have Mac Jones, who you know,
Speaker 1: also just learned this offense, spent the season in here, improved,
Speaker 1: had a great rookie year, and he's only getting better.
Speaker 1: From what we've all heard, Bill Belichick has said that,
Speaker 1: and the connection so far in training camp, from what
Speaker 1: we've heard today and in OTAs in practices that Mac
Speaker 1: Jones and Tykwon Thornton are very much on the same page.
Speaker 1: They're looking at each other a lot. And maybe he
Speaker 1: might not be that one wide receiver, but he could
Speaker 1: be that fast slot receiver that kind of resembles a
Speaker 1: Chris Hogan or a Danny Amidola, but just bigger who
Speaker 1: can go up and make a big play and catch
Speaker 1: it over a defender instead of just kill with speed
Speaker 1: like Hogan and Amidola. Very elusive. And though you might
Speaker 1: see Thornton doesn't have the same agility and he doesn't
Speaker 1: have the same ability to juke and cut back. He
Speaker 1: has the big playability and he has the speed that
Speaker 1: he can combine it with. Kind of reminds me of Sutton.
Speaker 1: I think the numbers might look similar, the usage might
Speaker 1: look similar as well. Sutton wasn't used as much until
Speaker 1: midway through his first year, and I think you could
Speaker 1: see the same way as they ease the worden into
Speaker 1: this offense. I absolutely agree with um putting him in
Speaker 1: the slot. Absolutely agree with him being elusive, and I
Speaker 1: think that also would work for him well on the outside. UM,
Speaker 1: I can sort of see an Odell Beckham type. He's
Speaker 1: a fast guy. UM, you can put him on the
Speaker 1: outside and he can just run go routes and lose
Speaker 1: the dvs and coverage. When you have that kind of speed,
Speaker 1: it's really great to have. And he you can even
Speaker 1: line him up in the slot and have him run
Speaker 1: a rub route to the outside. I mean there's a
Speaker 1: lot of potential there. You always have a lot of
Speaker 1: potential when you have speed demons like these. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: you saw it last year Tyreek Hill ran just that
Speaker 1: rub route on the row route on the outside and
Speaker 1: ranted out in the AFC Championship game against the Bills
Speaker 1: and he scored a touchdown on it, and you could
Speaker 1: see similar things with Taekwon Thornton. The speed is just
Speaker 1: electric and like you said, you know, speed is one
Speaker 1: of the most valuable traits to have in the NFL,
Speaker 1: especially as a wide receiver, and so I see where
Speaker 1: you're going with that. I like that. I just think
Speaker 1: that if he starts running on the outside, especially in
Speaker 1: these early weeks, I think it's gonna be tough for
Speaker 1: him to learn and ease into this offense. Because in
Speaker 1: Baylor you saw him often as a slot receiver and
Speaker 1: he thrived there and when he moved to the outside,
Speaker 1: it didn't go as well because his connection, his connection
Speaker 1: with this quarterback was mainly just running the same routes
Speaker 1: in the slot, where he's running post routes and corner
Speaker 1: routes and a lot of outside rug routes. And I
Speaker 1: think that if you're seeing him going on, you know,
Speaker 1: you see him move to receiver two, maybe even receiver one,
Speaker 1: depending on how he plays. You never know how any
Speaker 1: of these receive these new guys can pan out for
Speaker 1: the Patriots. I don't get caught up in a lot
Speaker 1: of the you know, he's got to be receiver one,
Speaker 1: receiver two. He's gotta be the X, he's got to
Speaker 1: be the Y. Look. I mean, I think it's pretty
Speaker 1: clear that you want a guy who can stretch a
Speaker 1: defense on the outside. You want a guy that's got
Speaker 1: some durability, I think on the inside if he's lining
Speaker 1: up a little bit closer to the quarterback. But I
Speaker 1: don't get too caught up in rolls. What I want
Speaker 1: to see is product. When the ball gets thrown your way,
Speaker 1: you get your hands on it, do you hold it
Speaker 1: regardless of the situation. That to me is what's most important.
Speaker 1: So I'm looking at you know, certainly speed and the
Speaker 1: ability to get open to create separation. But I gotta
Speaker 1: I gotta have a little stick him on the hands,
Speaker 1: whether it's manufactured or not, I gotta have a little
Speaker 1: stick him on the hand because if it gets anywhere
Speaker 1: near you, the receiver should catch it. Yeah. One guy
Speaker 1: that definitely wont have a problem with that is Jacobe Myers, Right,
Speaker 1: he's got very good hands. Now, early in his career,
Speaker 1: was he started here, we didn't think that the case.
Speaker 1: He dropped a lot of things coming his way, and
Speaker 1: you know a lot of people wanted to give up
Speaker 1: on him right away. I'm kind of glad that they
Speaker 1: didn't as Yeah, well Iglore too, That's right. I could admit.
Speaker 1: I've never been a huge fan of Nelson Aglor, but
Speaker 1: I hope that he proves me wrong. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: he's always good for one good, big drop of game.
Speaker 1: I think that's been more recent. I think after he
Speaker 1: started with the Eagles, and trust me, I hated having
Speaker 1: to play against him because I know his potential and
Speaker 1: we saw him twice a year and he would always
Speaker 1: kill the Giants. He had huge games against us, and
Speaker 1: I hated to watch. I did take that personally, you know,
Speaker 1: beat us in a couple of games to set that
Speaker 1: could have sent us to the top of the division
Speaker 1: in twenty seventeen when we were having a okay year
Speaker 1: and then when the division was terrible. If we finished
Speaker 1: six and ten that year, we would have won. And
Speaker 1: Nelson Agiler dropped the pass against the U it was
Speaker 1: now the Washington Commanders, and then they took out their
Speaker 1: starting quarterback and that was Nelson Agiler's fault. And I
Speaker 1: hated that and I didn't like him. But I think
Speaker 1: now he started, he came to the Raiders, he got
Speaker 1: into play with Derek Carr, who obviously was a better
Speaker 1: quarterback than whoever the Eagles had at that time, which
Speaker 1: was Nick Foles, Jalen Hurts, Carson Wentz. It was that tandem.
Speaker 1: And I think that now you're seeing him improved his
Speaker 1: play as he improved with better quarterback play, because obviously
Speaker 1: you have better quarterbacks throwing the ball. They're more accurate.
Speaker 1: And though you still can say he has one big
Speaker 1: drop of game, I think it's less consistent as it
Speaker 1: was before. And you saw him come up huge for
Speaker 1: the Raiders at times, catching big touchdowns, creating himself a
Speaker 1: lot of separation. And you could see that here in
Speaker 1: New England already fifty yard touchdown passed with Matt from
Speaker 1: Mac Jones, and you see they're on the same page.
Speaker 1: And you see it when you're not having a quarterback
Speaker 1: who's having years like what Carson Wentz was doing in
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen or twenty twenty, you're having quarterbacks who are
Speaker 1: top top half quarterbacks in the league. You have better
Speaker 1: ride receiver play, and obviously he's one of those guys
Speaker 1: that directly translates to it. Right, these guys great or
Speaker 1: what I mean, they're absolutely pounding it out here. Right, thing,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna step out of the way and let
Speaker 1: him go. Let's take another time out. We're gonna talk
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Speaker 1: like defensive backs. We're not really sure who's gonna be
Speaker 1: playing in front of these defensive backs here. It could
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Speaker 1: Playbook The leg Welcome Back into the playbook. It is
Speaker 1: our day opening training Camp program here for the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two summer, our monthly offseason program once again, as
Speaker 1: we're getting into our number two of the show here,
Speaker 1: we'll run until four o'clock Eastern time. Of course, if
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Speaker 1: up again on the website and you can hit up
Speaker 1: the podcast. So a lot of different things going on here.
Speaker 1: Just to sort of recap for a couple of moments though,
Speaker 1: but really what happened in day one of training camp today,
Speaker 1: because if you're tuning in late, that's probably the first
Speaker 1: question that's on your mind. I mean, what the heck
Speaker 1: happened today? Matt Patricia did the play calling, whether or
Speaker 1: not that means anything to you or not, but he
Speaker 1: was in charge of the play calling. It appeared through
Speaker 1: the eleven and eleven and the seven and seven drills,
Speaker 1: and our next group of student broadcasters coming through will
Speaker 1: actually be talking a little bit about that group after
Speaker 1: this next one, of course, so doesn't really matter about
Speaker 1: who calls the plays. The next subject that we're tackling
Speaker 1: you today. Four big question for the Patriots. We've already
Speaker 1: talked about young players that could rise in surprise with
Speaker 1: the team this year. We've talked a little about who's
Speaker 1: going to play in the defensive backfield, perhaps even at corner,
Speaker 1: who might be the starters, And now we've got to
Speaker 1: turn to the linebacking corps because the linebackers, look, they're
Speaker 1: part of stopping teams, they're a part of making plays.
Speaker 1: They have to be a part of that. And we
Speaker 1: know last year that at times the Patriots and yeah,
Speaker 1: look we can't let the defensive line out of this
Speaker 1: as well, but we know that the Patriots defensively struggled
Speaker 1: stopping the run, especially in certain situations, and against the
Speaker 1: Bills we never got him off the field. So the
Speaker 1: issue now is linebacking corps because there are clearly some
Speaker 1: changes other than Jawan Bentley in the middle, where else
Speaker 1: does everybody play? Does Matt june On lineup at the end?
Speaker 1: Does he lineup a as an defensive end at for three?
Speaker 1: Does he line up at the end as the three four?
Speaker 1: What does he do? How does he attack? How does
Speaker 1: he get after the quarterback? And can he consistently get
Speaker 1: after the quarterback like he did through the first eight
Speaker 1: ten weeks of last season before he tailed off at
Speaker 1: the end of last season. All right again, our next
Speaker 1: group of broadcasters here again coming from our Dean College
Speaker 1: Sports Broadcasting camp. Whof you will our pre college summer
Speaker 1: program going on this week at Dean and nearby Franklin, Massachusetts.
Speaker 1: I've got Brody, I've got Aaron, I've got Jonah, and
Speaker 1: I've got Alex. So Brodie, why don't you start to
Speaker 1: introduce yourself and tell us where you're from. I'm Brody
Speaker 1: Going and I'm from Hopedale, Mass Hopedale, Mass All right.
Speaker 1: I'm Aaron Buckley and I'm also from Hopedale, Mass. You
Speaker 1: guys go to school together. Yeah, we've known each other
Speaker 1: for a long time, since we were kids. I'm sorry, sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm joking. All right, Okay, go Um, what's what's up? Guys?
Speaker 1: As Jonah shockta here? Um from from Miami, Florida, Miami.
Speaker 1: Why did you come up here for this? From Miami? Oh?
Speaker 1: You know, in a source broacast, I've been doing it
Speaker 1: since my freshman year. Um didn't have the best of
Speaker 1: introductions into him, but got into pretty quickly and now
Speaker 1: currently the sports anchor at my school, in fact permanently outstanding.
Speaker 1: So are you a Dolphins fan? That's hard at the
Speaker 1: same I mean, last year I wasn't. Um. I was
Speaker 1: sorry all my Miami guys who are out there, UM
Speaker 1: for I'm sorry for me on the bandwagon. But um,
Speaker 1: last year was pretty much tied to the Rams and
Speaker 1: the Chiefs. UM. I had quite the addiction of my homes,
Speaker 1: which I now found out is kind of didn't We
Speaker 1: didn't really like it, um after seeing how he played
Speaker 1: in the playoffs. But Uma, with the Rams, I always
Speaker 1: knew that I was gonna they We're gonna do it,
Speaker 1: you know, Van Jefferson, Aaron Donald Stafford. You know, I
Speaker 1: knew there was a good group there that would at
Speaker 1: least make it all right. So at least you know
Speaker 1: how to pick a winner. All right. Alex, my name
Speaker 1: is Alex mc greeta and I'm from Atlanta, Georgia, Atlanta.
Speaker 1: So we get to Miami and Atlanta. Did you fly
Speaker 1: up from Atlanta for this? I did, in particular. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So why did you want to do this? Um? I
Speaker 1: wanted to do this because I've really been interested in
Speaker 1: sports broadcasting of late and my parents reas serious and
Speaker 1: found out that Dean had a great program. So I
Speaker 1: was interested right after the bat Well, I appreciate your
Speaker 1: saying that your paychecks in the mail I was. I
Speaker 1: was exactly that same way. I appreciate that. Guys, thank you. Okay,
Speaker 1: so you're you know topic if you will, to trying
Speaker 1: to research and and so we can kind to discussed
Speaker 1: that it happens to be, um, you know the linebacking corps.
Speaker 1: Who the hecks gonna play back there, who's gonna who's
Speaker 1: gonna figure into the BIX? Who should figure into the
Speaker 1: BIX based on the personnel that they have. Anybody want
Speaker 1: to offer any thoughts to start off right? Brodyn think
Speaker 1: I can say this for all of the New England
Speaker 1: sports fans out there, that Matt Judon is going to
Speaker 1: be the top guy for us. He had twelve and
Speaker 1: a half sacks last season, sixty tackles, one fumble recovery.
Speaker 1: He actually in the third game this season against the
Speaker 1: Saints where we lost thirteen to twenty six, he had
Speaker 1: two and a half sacks. And he also liked the league.
Speaker 1: Sorry he didn't lead the league, but he was seventh
Speaker 1: in the league with sacks, and I also think that
Speaker 1: he could be a leader for the team on defense.
Speaker 1: He's he's a veteran, he's been in the league for
Speaker 1: six years. When he obvious he's drafted into twenty sixteen.
Speaker 1: I think that he gets the crowd going. We've seen
Speaker 1: he uh got with the red sleeves, gets it going.
Speaker 1: He also can give the younger players tips on the
Speaker 1: field and specialties that he has. Okay, so we think
Speaker 1: we know on it starts with him, and I think
Speaker 1: that was probably one that we can all say, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's definitely gonna happen. Who else I got Ronnie Perkins.
Speaker 1: He was drafted in the third round two years ago,
Speaker 1: the year we got Mac and he played at Oklahoma
Speaker 1: and he was one of the better He played defensive
Speaker 1: end at Oklahoma and he was one of the better
Speaker 1: defensive ends in the Big twelve. But when the Patriots
Speaker 1: drafted him, it was planning to turn him into a linebacker,
Speaker 1: so it looks he can play outside linebacker. He missed
Speaker 1: last season due to his shoulder injury. Right, that's where
Speaker 1: fans wouldn't know the name, right. But in college, his
Speaker 1: final full season, he had thirty eight tackles in six sacks,
Speaker 1: and he had the seventh most big tackles in the
Speaker 1: Big Ten. So and then in only six games in
Speaker 1: his final college season, he had twenty three tackles in
Speaker 1: five and a half sacks. So that's almost a sack
Speaker 1: of game. So if they put him on the outside,
Speaker 1: he's gonna be able to rush the quarterback. Definitely an
Speaker 1: impact player at Oklahoma. Definitely remember that. I just nobody
Speaker 1: knows because he spent last year on I L, yeah,
Speaker 1: v L, what do you want to call it? So
Speaker 1: he just he didn't get a chance to to get
Speaker 1: any scratch. No, he's gonna have to have a good
Speaker 1: camp to earn one of those spots. Okay, who else, Jonah,
Speaker 1: who else are we talking about? Is gonna crack this lineup? Well,
Speaker 1: I've got two options here. I've I've got um Juwan Bentley,
Speaker 1: who um I've who of course was injured last season.
Speaker 1: But um, I feel I feel that he can make
Speaker 1: I feel that he can make a return. You know,
Speaker 1: um obviously, um he he only played fifteen games last season.
Speaker 1: UM engine engine in the season, um and during the
Speaker 1: wilder game against against the Bills, UM, I feel I
Speaker 1: feel that he can be I feel that he can
Speaker 1: make a good recovery. You know, that's that's the thing
Speaker 1: with all the players. UM, but UM, I feel that
Speaker 1: if he makes a good recovery, he'll he'll be able
Speaker 1: to come back and help the team out. Holling with
Speaker 1: Jude on all right, So that's affect. He's also the
Speaker 1: oldest guy on that team. He's thirty. Jude's like twenty eight.
Speaker 1: I believe. Okay, all right, was there somebody else you
Speaker 1: had too? Um? Yes, I was gonna go for mac Wilson. Um.
Speaker 1: Of course, UM trade to New England for a chase
Speaker 1: one of it, which in my opinion is quite a
Speaker 1: blow to New England because if everyone who loved one
Speaker 1: of it, she was quite a big part of that defense.
Speaker 1: But mac Wilson, of course, young guy UM played three
Speaker 1: years with the Cleveland Browns. UM obviously his best year
Speaker 1: being his rookie year, which UM, I don't I don't
Speaker 1: really find that to be too true for a lot
Speaker 1: of rookies. But UM for best years of rookie, UM
Speaker 1: he had UM eighty two tackles, which UM, for me,
Speaker 1: that's that's that's quite impressive for a guy like him. Um.
Speaker 1: He He also averaged his only career sack there um
Speaker 1: as well as UM seven seven pds, which I'm up.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry everyone out there, but I'm not fully UM.
Speaker 1: I don't pulaying all the initials of everything in football,
Speaker 1: but um, you know he's had seven pds and then
Speaker 1: UM often last season we're um, he had about UM
Speaker 1: forty two sacks, forty two forty two tackles. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: but zero sacks. UM. Obviously that's a decrease from the
Speaker 1: from the rookie years, so it shows still still good.
Speaker 1: But um, you're about a lot a lot of UM
Speaker 1: tackles down. But UM, yeah. I think one of the
Speaker 1: things about mack Wilson that it's impressed me, and I
Speaker 1: think he's a good pick. But one of the things
Speaker 1: impressed me is that when they traded for him and
Speaker 1: Winovich was a kind of a fan favorite, as you mentioned, Jonah,
Speaker 1: but um, Wilson's got you know, he's got the building.
Speaker 1: I think he's got the speed, and I think it
Speaker 1: was one of the things that the Patriots were looking at, uh,
Speaker 1: and perhaps the ability to separate from a defender if
Speaker 1: he's going to play on the outside a linebackers spot
Speaker 1: to be able to have some effect on the quarterback.
Speaker 1: Chase Winovich's problem, if he had one, was I don't
Speaker 1: think they felt like he was disruptive enough. And I
Speaker 1: think that's what they're kind of hoping that mac Wilson
Speaker 1: ends up becoming in that regard. So I just have
Speaker 1: to be mean that they can they mean that. It
Speaker 1: just problem was probably that he didn't disrupt the up.
Speaker 1: You know, he didn't cause enough cast. Yes, that's one
Speaker 1: thing I can I can really end the point of
Speaker 1: being on the defense is to cause enough cast in
Speaker 1: the offense where they literally just break apart and it's
Speaker 1: and it's just fallen in. It's just fallen to chaos,
Speaker 1: you know, right, If that's you know, I, um, I
Speaker 1: haven't obviously haven't seen much of win of Itch, but
Speaker 1: um that that would obviously be one of problems I
Speaker 1: would agree on. Um. What I'm hoping in Wilson is like,
Speaker 1: you know, Wilson's young guy. You know, he's already had
Speaker 1: some experience in the NFL. UM obviously can tackle people.
Speaker 1: He can he can at least try to sack people. Again,
Speaker 1: of course, So what I say is, I think what
Speaker 1: I'm Belichick's hoping for with Wilson is that Wilson can
Speaker 1: at least cause a lot more cast than one of
Speaker 1: much ever cut. Well, that's what we're hoping for, all right,
Speaker 1: Alex mccam, Yeah, exactly who you got? So for me,
Speaker 1: I had Jabrill Peppers, who I know was mentioned in
Speaker 1: the last UM segment with the defensive backs, right, but um,
Speaker 1: I think that previously in Jabrill Pepper's career at Michigan
Speaker 1: he played a mix of dB and linebackers, so I think, um,
Speaker 1: he can have an impact there. He stands at five
Speaker 1: eleven two sixteen, so he's a pretty big guy. Jay's
Speaker 1: drafted by the Browns in twenty seventeen and also played
Speaker 1: for the Giants, and the Page's traded for him for
Speaker 1: early in April. And so the reason why I think
Speaker 1: he can make such an impact at linebackers one one,
Speaker 1: Like I mentioned previously, he's a pretty big guy. And um,
Speaker 1: back when he was in Michigan in twenty sixteen, he
Speaker 1: actually finished fifth in the Heisman Race as a defensive player,
Speaker 1: which is a very I mean, if that doesn't tell
Speaker 1: you enough, if that's great, sure, well I would tell
Speaker 1: you that his athleticism got him that kind of notoriety, right,
Speaker 1: And here's a guy that you know, obviously he has
Speaker 1: been known as a big hitter, and you said he
Speaker 1: went back and forth at Michigan, right, So if he's
Speaker 1: got that kind of ability, and we've already seen the
Speaker 1: Patriots do a little bit of that with a guy
Speaker 1: like Kyle Dugger. So if you've got a big safety
Speaker 1: that can also line up and play linebacker and give
Speaker 1: the run game some support, you can also do I
Speaker 1: think some things strategically where you're lining up and the
Speaker 1: other team is not sure what they're facing. So anytime
Speaker 1: you get the other team to think about a little
Speaker 1: bit more, you kind of got a you know, you
Speaker 1: kind of got a little bit of an edge there, right.
Speaker 1: I think I like his versatility or than anything else,
Speaker 1: and I think that's what the Patriots like. You know,
Speaker 1: they've been really versatile and over the last several years
Speaker 1: as far back as I can remember, in terms of
Speaker 1: the guys who play on the offensive line, but they've
Speaker 1: also stressed versatility defensively, Guys that can play any of
Speaker 1: the positions, Guys that can play corner, corners that can
Speaker 1: play safety, Safeties that can play linebacker and Peppers could
Speaker 1: be that kind of guy that they're looking for, right,
Speaker 1: I agree with you. Okay, all right, cool? What else? Well?
Speaker 1: Who where else are we missing in terms of potential
Speaker 1: players that could come in and get playing time or
Speaker 1: perhaps make a name of them. I mean, we mentioned
Speaker 1: Joan Bentley, and I think we all realized that he's
Speaker 1: sort of the mainstay in the middle. But if you're
Speaker 1: if you're also in nickel defense where you know it
Speaker 1: on an obvious passing down, are you gonna have your
Speaker 1: run thumper in the middle. No, So did this team
Speaker 1: in your estimation, did it get faster, quicker with the
Speaker 1: ability to be able to cover guys coming out of
Speaker 1: the opposing offensive backfield. Not really. They were one of
Speaker 1: the biggest issues last year with the linebacking cars, how
Speaker 1: slow they were and how they weren't able to stop
Speaker 1: any anything up the middle, pass or run. And I
Speaker 1: feel like we didn't really improve that much. Like we
Speaker 1: passed on to Kobe Dean from Georgia like three different times.
Speaker 1: That was a pick. I would have liked a scene too.
Speaker 1: And I feel like with mac Wilson he can so
Speaker 1: slow down some tight ends with the past deflection numbers.
Speaker 1: He had seven in his rookie year in Cleveland. So
Speaker 1: as he can use an outsidebe can also drop back
Speaker 1: and cover some tight ends across the middle. Excellent. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, we'll snack a phone call here. William has
Speaker 1: been kind enough to hang on in Philly. Hey, will
Speaker 1: you're in the playbook? Is he still there? Going? Once?
Speaker 1: Going twice? William? You're still there? No? Okay, sorry, we
Speaker 1: kept John hole man. Claire back, Claire? You with us? Hey? John?
Speaker 1: Hey Claire, what's happening? Hey girl? Hey? Oh you deane folk?
Speaker 1: What's going on? I think they've done a pretty good job.
Speaker 1: What do you think, Claire? I'm really sorry John. You
Speaker 1: know how much I love you. I actually adore you.
Speaker 1: But these guys have been really good. I like that.
Speaker 1: It's good. I like that. I like it. All right?
Speaker 1: What do you got? I meant I did read your email.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you heard that or not, but
Speaker 1: I did read it. But I you know, if you
Speaker 1: you're gonna take the time to call me back from
Speaker 1: you know, um, West Midlands? Yeah, West Midlands, UK? Yeah. No,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna throw us. Why would I ever do that?
Speaker 1: Why would I ever do that, right, So what do
Speaker 1: you think of today? What any any first impressions about
Speaker 1: what you've heard, what you've read about thus far with
Speaker 1: the first day. What are big concerns that you kind
Speaker 1: of have that maybe even stuffing that we haven't even
Speaker 1: touched on. I didn't realize you read my email, so
Speaker 1: it might have been when I was trying to kind
Speaker 1: of get through that you read my email. Yeah, apologies
Speaker 1: if I repeat anything that you've already read. Yep, you're good.
Speaker 1: The one big thing that I kind of what was
Speaker 1: taking away, like I said in my email, was how
Speaker 1: different the linebacking court is gonna look, How we're missing
Speaker 1: so much veterans, right, it's gonna look completely different. In fact,
Speaker 1: I would imagine that not only personnel wise, but strategically
Speaker 1: how they're gonna play right. All right, So, okay, you
Speaker 1: had to put around home. Oh oh hold on, hang on, Claire,
Speaker 1: now you're back again because Matt said his fat fingers
Speaker 1: accidentally put you on hold. Okay, okay, sorry, so blame
Speaker 1: the marine. He's falling out with me today. What I know,
Speaker 1: I know, right, Hey, Well the problem is is that
Speaker 1: the security for Elton, Sir Elton John have moved into
Speaker 1: the office now and they've shoot everybody away, you know,
Speaker 1: never never, never mind the fact that we're all trying
Speaker 1: to work here, but they've you know, they're they're not nice.
Speaker 1: They're not nice. I'm kinda gonna be honest. They're not nice.
Speaker 1: So you know that can that can't be true. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, you know, the tour company is
Speaker 1: least the building out from the Patriots. The Patriots least
Speaker 1: outs him, and once it's put in the contract, you
Speaker 1: know it's a dumb deal. You know, you can't only
Speaker 1: reverse anything unless you can like talk out in John
Speaker 1: Let's security seem like, look, let's let him keep this belt,
Speaker 1: let's him keep this room for now. Claire, When when
Speaker 1: Sir Elton gets back, you're gonna have to have a
Speaker 1: talk with him about this. Yeah, I don't really think
Speaker 1: he's taking my calls at the moment. What you pissed
Speaker 1: him off? What you do? All right? No? No, no. So,
Speaker 1: So you were talking about the linebackers in particular before
Speaker 1: you got put on hold. Yeah, I just think kind
Speaker 1: of last year was it was so veterans eccentric, with
Speaker 1: van Ney Higower, the return of Jamie Collins. I mean,
Speaker 1: I know they did that because they had a lax there,
Speaker 1: so they were just filling the holes that they could
Speaker 1: because they couldn't utilize the rookies that they've taken because
Speaker 1: of injury that kind of thing. So I think it's
Speaker 1: going to be we're going to see a serious difference
Speaker 1: in how they used to lize the linebacking call because
Speaker 1: they're so sort of unknown if you like. However, they've
Speaker 1: been within the system for a year, they've seen everything.
Speaker 1: Over the last year they haven't they just haven't participated.
Speaker 1: So at least they've got this year of knowledge under
Speaker 1: their bowl if they haven't got this year of physicality
Speaker 1: and about so I think that's going to help it
Speaker 1: looks better. But we're still are kind of missing the
Speaker 1: veteran MISSI linebacker. However, it's almost as if they're making
Speaker 1: up for that in the safety Now, granted this depends
Speaker 1: upon injury that kind of thing, because you've got the
Speaker 1: Gible peppers onto up that sort of thing, and you've
Speaker 1: got the return of Devon mccordy, so you've got some
Speaker 1: quite solid veteran presents there utilizing in the safety positions.
Speaker 1: I think what we're going to see is a little
Speaker 1: bit less of the linebacker, a little bit more of
Speaker 1: the extra safety to sort of compensate for that. Whilst
Speaker 1: these new Newish guys, if you like, Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: they're growing Internet system. Yeah, I think I think Aaron
Speaker 1: would agree with you in that, particularly less linebacker, more
Speaker 1: extra safety writer probably especially when you have you have
Speaker 1: like four solid safeties and Dugger and mccordy and Phillips
Speaker 1: and to Bill Peppers if they put them there. Yep, yep,
Speaker 1: pretty good observation, I would I would agree. I just
Speaker 1: think if you've got guys that can hit and can cover,
Speaker 1: why wouldn't they be in the lineup, especially when you're
Speaker 1: facing some of the teams, some of the quarterbacks, some
Speaker 1: of the backs that you're going to have to face, right,
Speaker 1: M Yeah, okay, what else you got? What else have
Speaker 1: I grof? That's a very good pat Okay. I think
Speaker 1: the cornerback position I think I touched on that. I
Speaker 1: mean you might as well. Actually, I think how it's
Speaker 1: going to really be dependent upon how, if and when
Speaker 1: they use Malcolm Butler. I think that's to me that
Speaker 1: seems like it's going to be a significant king because
Speaker 1: if they're utilizing him, then maybe the guys aren't ready
Speaker 1: or they utilizing him as an example, or if they
Speaker 1: don't use him and the new guys are ready. So
Speaker 1: that's quite good. I mean, did you want to touch
Speaker 1: up on all of the four things, Yeah, if you
Speaker 1: want too? Sure are you any one of the four
Speaker 1: or all the four? If you liked that? Yeah? Absolutely? Yeah.
Speaker 1: The in regard to the rookies, I mean, it was
Speaker 1: only in sort of when they did some pictures from yesterday.
Speaker 1: I know it wasn't sort of camp yesterday, but when
Speaker 1: they did that, the guys have reported in I didn't realize,
Speaker 1: did you guys see the photograph of Kevin Harris? Oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, this guy is made up of tree trump.
Speaker 1: He's so solid. Even his neck is so solid. It's
Speaker 1: like that this is why they don't need a fallback
Speaker 1: because they've got Kevin Harris, because he looks like the
Speaker 1: possible moving of a brick war. He just looks so solid.
Speaker 1: It really just took me by surprised, and it's like,
Speaker 1: maybe that's why they're not going to use a fallback
Speaker 1: this year. They're actually going to substitute this FB on
Speaker 1: the roster and they're going to be using a running back.
Speaker 1: You're going to see so much more they really do it,
Speaker 1: but with you know, with remondering stuff. So but you're
Speaker 1: going to see this the power running back. This is
Speaker 1: a very sort of power running back heavy team now,
Speaker 1: I think. So I'm going to be really interested to
Speaker 1: see if Harris or as you mentioned sort of earlier
Speaker 1: in the show in regards to Piers Strong, who are
Speaker 1: that who out of those guys either or end up
Speaker 1: actually on the roster even just a little bit, or
Speaker 1: if they read shirt both are running back, which they
Speaker 1: have done quite frequently in the past. From what I understand,
Speaker 1: I only go back so far. But yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that's going to be a very interesting indication of how
Speaker 1: things are going to work. And again, as you have
Speaker 1: to mention the fact that James White isn't necessarily ready
Speaker 1: or he's on to you here at the moment, and
Speaker 1: the chances of him starting the season are looking a
Speaker 1: little bit limit the moment, just from what we're hearing,
Speaker 1: just from what's coming out in regards to sort of
Speaker 1: rumors and discussion in to his physical ability at the moment,
Speaker 1: the way that people have in him kind of literally
Speaker 1: walking and stuff like that. So Yeah. I think that's
Speaker 1: what interesting me quite significantly about the rookies is seeing
Speaker 1: if and which of the running backs say they decide
Speaker 1: that they need to use load. Yeah, you're you're bringing
Speaker 1: up Kevin Harris is kind of interesting because I mean,
Speaker 1: to me, he's one of those two or three guys
Speaker 1: that the Patriots have, you know, that they certainly picked
Speaker 1: up of the draft. But it's kind of an enigma
Speaker 1: because he spent a lot of his last year was
Speaker 1: a South Carolina. He spent a lot of his last
Speaker 1: year injured, right, So we don't really know what we're getting.
Speaker 1: And I think that's again that's kind of been a
Speaker 1: Patriot trademark. You know, they take chances on guys that
Speaker 1: they feel like they can do the job, even though
Speaker 1: the statistics might not necessarily back it up. And so well,
Speaker 1: I mentioned Strong simply because you know, when you look
Speaker 1: at the videotape and think, wow, this guy had a
Speaker 1: great career in South Dakota, you know, whether or not
Speaker 1: the caliber of play matters or not. I think you know,
Speaker 1: you can usually tell, you know, through a little bit
Speaker 1: of tape whether or not a guy can play football
Speaker 1: or not, regardless of the level and certainly they felt
Speaker 1: that way against Cold Strong because Cold strange rather because
Speaker 1: Strange was what a Tennessee Chattanooga right so didn't come
Speaker 1: from a huge program. Harris is again being an SEC
Speaker 1: pedigree back, you'd have to think that he's got some game.
Speaker 1: And so I think if he's able to do the
Speaker 1: kind of things that you were talking about doing, I
Speaker 1: mean you describe I'm almost like a bullethead. You know,
Speaker 1: he's just kind of got a pointy head, he got
Speaker 1: a big neck. He's gonna stick his head in there.
Speaker 1: That'd be great because if you have that kind of ability,
Speaker 1: you know, they basically have scrubbed the fullback off of
Speaker 1: the roster right now, which is sort of led a
Speaker 1: lot of people to believe that the Patriots offensive setup
Speaker 1: is going to be changed somewhat this year from what
Speaker 1: it has been what we've been used to seeing in
Speaker 1: the last few years. There was one of the takeaways
Speaker 1: I think amongst some of the media members today as
Speaker 1: I was listening to and hearing from those guys earlier today,
Speaker 1: was the fact that they kind of get the feeling
Speaker 1: that this offense is simplified, and I don't know that
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean it's simplistic. Doesn't mean it's necessarily going
Speaker 1: to be easy to detect or defend, but it's simplified
Speaker 1: in an effort to have these guys act and react
Speaker 1: rather than you know, okay, think it out and then
Speaker 1: go through and hit their spots. In other words, they
Speaker 1: can play at a faster speed, and I think that's
Speaker 1: what the coaching staff is trying to do, at least
Speaker 1: at this stage. Maybe Harris is one of those guys
Speaker 1: can contribute to that. M M, yeah, I was gonna
Speaker 1: I was gonna chip in with this. Um, I was
Speaker 1: gonna say, um, when it comes to offense playing at
Speaker 1: fast speed, UM, I'm not only a big fan of
Speaker 1: that because when it come when when you're playing at
Speaker 1: a fast speed, you know, a lot of the teams
Speaker 1: will tend to make like errors or like you know,
Speaker 1: it tend to like yeah, because if you work, the
Speaker 1: faster you work, you know, the more likely you are
Speaker 1: to forget something. So I know that even though you
Speaker 1: like you have to do a like fast running up
Speaker 1: the ball and you can have your guys like running
Speaker 1: running down like just keep moving around on that, you know.
Speaker 1: I find that like you know, if if like if
Speaker 1: if you're not in clutch time or if or if
Speaker 1: like you have like a good amount of time left
Speaker 1: like at least try to take your plays like look
Speaker 1: like look try to take him low and slow, at
Speaker 1: least like like a meeting speech, so that you don't
Speaker 1: mess anything up. I think that's one of the things
Speaker 1: that Belichick should at least try to focus on because
Speaker 1: knowing him like he's always um, I think he wants you.
Speaker 1: He wants you to play fast, but he also want
Speaker 1: you to play smart. Yeah, okay, gotta play smart if
Speaker 1: you're if you if you play too fast to the
Speaker 1: point where you've got reckless abandoned, you're not really helping
Speaker 1: the team. And I'll be honest with I think that
Speaker 1: was part of a guy like Chase. One of it's
Speaker 1: is full. You know, he would always play fast, but
Speaker 1: then he was ever never able to celebrate. And when
Speaker 1: he would play fast, he would sometimes go past is
Speaker 1: intended target. He would go swing wide and then the
Speaker 1: quarterback would step into the pocket and then he would
Speaker 1: cause damage. So you have to play fast, but you
Speaker 1: have to be smart, stay in your lane and make
Speaker 1: sure that you cause difficulty for the quarterback, running back, receiver,
Speaker 1: whoever's in that particular hole. And that's that's the biggest
Speaker 1: issue right there. I think we're trying to get across
Speaker 1: here is that, you know, fast is one thing, smart
Speaker 1: is another thing entirely, and the smarter guy is going
Speaker 1: to always beat out the faster guy, just the way
Speaker 1: it's been going to think that. That's what they're doing.
Speaker 1: They're taking the fast guys. They can teach them the smart, sure,
Speaker 1: they can mold them in the face its way, you
Speaker 1: can't teach speed. It's one of those things. So they've
Speaker 1: taken this year significant speed because there was significantly slow.
Speaker 1: The lack could see it. Absolutely. It's just a case
Speaker 1: of can they mold these minds into the patriots way
Speaker 1: that you know that works it in the system. And
Speaker 1: if the majority of these guys that are quick they can't,
Speaker 1: then they're really going to hit upon some goals which
Speaker 1: the Okay, cool Claire, It's always good to hear from you.
Speaker 1: Thanks kiddo, no drama. Nice to see you. Let's do it.
Speaker 1: You got it, Claire in the UK. All right, boys,
Speaker 1: good job, what a role. Thanks, thank you. We've got
Speaker 1: one final subject to tackle here on the program, all right,
Speaker 1: and it is one of the things that we talked
Speaker 1: about at the very beginning of the program, and it
Speaker 1: really is a simple question. Does it matter who calls
Speaker 1: the plays out on the field offense defense? Does it
Speaker 1: matter who's calling the plays? I know to many of
Speaker 1: you it certainly does. It doesn't necessarily matter to me,
Speaker 1: But we're going to kind of discuss that next. I'd
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Speaker 1: we bring you your July program. Here inside the Patriot's
Speaker 1: Playbook on tape one of Patriots Training Camp open done
Speaker 1: over with Patriot Training Camp back out here again tomorrow
Speaker 1: open to the public. I think they get started. When
Speaker 1: did they get sort of nine thirty Are you guys
Speaker 1: doing unfiltered in the morning as well? Again? Nine fifteen
Speaker 1: you be Yeah? And how long did the practice normally run?
Speaker 1: Probably about eleven eleven hours today? Yeah, about two hours.
Speaker 1: Well that will vary. But if you're gonna be out
Speaker 1: here and we know that, you know, there's a good
Speaker 1: crowd out there today. Although I've seen bigger open than
Speaker 1: dick crowds than what we had today. Um my guess
Speaker 1: is is that those crowds will probably continue to pick
Speaker 1: up as we actually get closer to football time. And
Speaker 1: so the suggestion here is come earlier rather than late,
Speaker 1: because you never know. If they start a practice at
Speaker 1: nine thirty, Coach Belichick might call it at ten thirty.
Speaker 1: So if you're gonna be out here, make sure you're
Speaker 1: out and ready to roll at nine thirty and they'll
Speaker 1: I'll let you own and if you ever have any questions,
Speaker 1: the information you're usually always posted right here on Patriots
Speaker 1: dot com. As practice did open today, I did want
Speaker 1: to mention that we have a newcomer to our staff
Speaker 1: here on Patriots dot Com and a guy who's actually
Speaker 1: going to join us here inside the playbook regularly throughout
Speaker 1: the course of the season. And he's actually been one
Speaker 1: of our go to media guys throughout the course of
Speaker 1: the last couple of years. Evan Lazar, who worked at
Speaker 1: CLNS Media I think it was yeah with CLNS is
Speaker 1: where he worked. Evan Lazar is our new staff writer
Speaker 1: on Patriots dot com and he's got the update. In fact,
Speaker 1: if you want to just to go to the front
Speaker 1: page here today and he'll have the recap of what
Speaker 1: transpired at practice for you today. Of course, the bigger
Speaker 1: issue and Evan w also a part of the playbook
Speaker 1: as well once we jump into the regular season. So
Speaker 1: we're happy to have him because he's got some good
Speaker 1: media experience, He's got a good media following, and I
Speaker 1: would tell you that, you know, honestly, look, you tune
Speaker 1: into this show hopefully for a little bit more football.
Speaker 1: I don't say that without love and appreciation and my
Speaker 1: heart for everyone on Patriots Unfiltered. Okay, Matt works extraordinarily
Speaker 1: hard on that show, making those guys sound like they
Speaker 1: know what they're talking about. Give you the same love. Ah, yeah,
Speaker 1: well that's okay. I appreciate that though, thank you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's older guys. We sometimes need that. We definitely need that.
Speaker 1: But I'm glad that Evan's going to be a part
Speaker 1: of the program once we get started into the season.
Speaker 1: All right, So the biggest issue really to me today
Speaker 1: Day one a training camp, and the biggest story that
Speaker 1: we talked about at the start of the show, other
Speaker 1: than mister Kraft being nominated as a finalist for the
Speaker 1: Pro Football Hall of Fame for twenty three, which is
Speaker 1: certainly significant is the fact that Matt Patricia was out
Speaker 1: there calling plays today. It's calling the plays during the
Speaker 1: seven on seven drills, he's calling the plays during the
Speaker 1: eleven on eleven drill. So does that mean Matt Patricia's
Speaker 1: now the quote unquote de facto offensive coordinator? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody knows, and I don't think we're
Speaker 1: supposed to know. Now maybe he will be, but he
Speaker 1: didn't have the title. And so my whole point is
Speaker 1: why does it matter? And literally, because the Patriots may
Speaker 1: very well be and I think they are the only
Speaker 1: team in the NFL does not have a staff offensive
Speaker 1: coordinator or defensive garator on their coaching staff. It's not listed.
Speaker 1: They don't have that. Why is that? So? My final
Speaker 1: group here from my Dean College sports broadcasting camp, I've
Speaker 1: got Alex, I got Jake, and i got Greg in
Speaker 1: here with us today. Guys, introduce yourselves. Tell me where
Speaker 1: you're from. I'm Alex. I'm from Western Massachusetts, Weston, Okay.
Speaker 1: I'm Jake, and I'm from East Providence. Had a boy?
Speaker 1: What did it go? Towny? Greg? I'm Greg. I'm from Leicester,
Speaker 1: mass Leicester, mass All right, so I got a couple
Speaker 1: of Massachusetts and a towny from East Providence. Now, okay,
Speaker 1: so guys, does it matter who calls the place? Um?
Speaker 1: I think, well, there's three. There's three options. There's Bill,
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick, There's Map Putrician, and Joe Judge. I think
Speaker 1: one of them has proven to be a dependable offensive coordinator.
Speaker 1: So Bill back in twenty ten, he ran both offense
Speaker 1: and defense and they went fourteen and two. So I
Speaker 1: think he's proven that he can he's he can run
Speaker 1: an offense or at least call the plays for a
Speaker 1: successful offense. Whereas I think Joe Judge in New York,
Speaker 1: like Daniel Jones, has struggled, and I feel like Joe
Speaker 1: Judge has made like no effort to either change the offense,
Speaker 1: make it more simple, or how do we know that?
Speaker 1: Though I would ask you, how do we really know that?
Speaker 1: Is he working behind the scenes? We're not sure about
Speaker 1: that yet, are we really? We don't know that for sure,
Speaker 1: but from the touchdown to interception ratio we can see
Speaker 1: that well, last year his quarterbacks through fifteen touch Jones
Speaker 1: and twenty interceptions, and and the previous year they threw
Speaker 1: twelve touchdowns and eleven interceptions. Okay, So I think a
Speaker 1: big part of the Patriots just lifestyle is being to
Speaker 1: adopt and to just to adopt to the situation they
Speaker 1: are in. And I feel like he hasn't adopted. So
Speaker 1: if he was calling the plays, I feel like mac
Speaker 1: Jones was struggling with a particular system that he's running.
Speaker 1: He's not going to adopt to it, and he's just
Speaker 1: gonna let Act Jones kind of keep struggling. Okay, Jake,
Speaker 1: any thoughts on that one? Well, And I think from
Speaker 1: that two and ten season where the check didn't name
Speaker 1: any offensive or defensive coordinator. That same year, the pitches
Speaker 1: one fourteen two and he was named coach of the Year.
Speaker 1: So that's still a factor Pirate team. He's still here,
Speaker 1: He's got his two out of guys. Patition's back and
Speaker 1: Judges back, And like Alex is saying, Judge and Patition
Speaker 1: might have the best track records, but they know the
Speaker 1: Patriots system. They can help out a lot, and they
Speaker 1: can contribute, whether they're not under the name of defensive
Speaker 1: or offensive coordinator or not. Sound like you're kind of
Speaker 1: like me, then I'm not sure that this really matters
Speaker 1: a lot, does it. No, as long as it's a
Speaker 1: good team, they should be able to play well under anyone. Okay, Now,
Speaker 1: is it fair, however, that if this team struggles out
Speaker 1: of the gate? You know, and we know that, you
Speaker 1: know there are some choppy sections of the schedule that
Speaker 1: these guys are going to face this year if they
Speaker 1: struggle out of the gate, Is it fair to blame
Speaker 1: these guys for the lack of leadership or the lack
Speaker 1: of definition in their roles? It could be a little fair,
Speaker 1: and that maybe they really do need a leader. It's
Speaker 1: a thing that team's got to figure out along the way,
Speaker 1: like who's going to be the guy steps up? And
Speaker 1: if need a Patricia or a judge that the guys
Speaker 1: that step up, you have to think who else does
Speaker 1: it gonna be? So you could blame one of those
Speaker 1: two guys if they're not doing well. Yeah, well, and
Speaker 1: I think those guys probably have to be ready for that, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, they faced a lot of scrutiny as the
Speaker 1: head coach when they were head coaches in Detroit and
Speaker 1: New York and it didn't go very well. So now
Speaker 1: I think you know, they're just largely part of the
Speaker 1: reason why we don't see names or titles. I don't
Speaker 1: know that it has so much to do with, you know,
Speaker 1: monetary issues, because obviously Accordin is probably gonna get paid
Speaker 1: more money than a regular assistant coach. I think it's
Speaker 1: just to kind of shield and protect them and let
Speaker 1: them sort of try to rebuild the rep right, don't
Speaker 1: you think, Greg? What do you think? I completely agree.
Speaker 1: I don't think like that they need to actually name them.
Speaker 1: As long as they work together and like all work
Speaker 1: as a team and they have the team that they
Speaker 1: would be fine. Okay, So what are your thoughts then
Speaker 1: on the on a play caller in particular, a guy
Speaker 1: who you know, whether he's gonna call the police on
Speaker 1: offense or he's gonna call the signals on defense. What
Speaker 1: if it may be is that a vital role? Is
Speaker 1: it an overrated role? Is something that the players need
Speaker 1: for guidance? Leadership? I mean, you know, if you've played
Speaker 1: sports at all, how much did you look for someone
Speaker 1: to tell you what to do? I think it's a
Speaker 1: pretty empire role, especially to have someone be able to
Speaker 1: play the cause there just be a mental for you,
Speaker 1: Like Joe Judge is named Claraback's assistant, so he could
Speaker 1: be one of those guys that guides mac Jones help
Speaker 1: him out into transition from Josh McDaniels to him. Right, Okay,
Speaker 1: I got a question on the email here from Alan
Speaker 1: in Texas who says, hey, y'all love it the y'all
Speaker 1: in there right with the apostrophe. Nice mac Jones. Arm
Speaker 1: strength has been discussed and written about. Can he improve
Speaker 1: this arm strength with arm strength, lower body strength, mechanics
Speaker 1: or is it a combination of all of it? In
Speaker 1: your opinion, how important is it that he increases arm
Speaker 1: strength is? If it is important, then how much Canny
Speaker 1: increase it? You got anybody want to offer a thought
Speaker 1: on that one. I don't know how much of it
Speaker 1: is pure arm strength. I think us to do all
Speaker 1: out with the lower body. I think hip strength includes
Speaker 1: strength as the most of it, because you've got to
Speaker 1: really get your hips into it. I don't think it's
Speaker 1: purely arm strength, but I think something they can improve on,
Speaker 1: probably with either mechanics or just or I think it's
Speaker 1: mostly mechanics but also just hip strength. Hip strength mostionally,
Speaker 1: I think. So, okay, have you played quarterback before? No?
Speaker 1: But Dak Prescott has made a very popular his little
Speaker 1: pregame is Dak Dance. Yeah, is trying to get those
Speaker 1: hips activated, right, right, absolutely, So it kind of has
Speaker 1: to start from the core, right, Yeah, A strong arms. Look,
Speaker 1: if you've got fast receivers, you gotta be able to
Speaker 1: get the ball down field to them. But I think
Speaker 1: most guys now, especially when you're in rear round training sessions,
Speaker 1: they're not going to have what we would term a
Speaker 1: weak arm. They might not have an accurate arm, but
Speaker 1: I don't think it's weak. I think you're right. I
Speaker 1: think it comes from your legs, your core, your hips
Speaker 1: mostly and then hopefully you don't do enough to strain
Speaker 1: your upper body because you have to rely on that
Speaker 1: for consistency. But honestly, I'm not sure that there's a
Speaker 1: quarterback in the NFL today who could be really considered
Speaker 1: a weak long ball thrower. You've got to have some distance,
Speaker 1: right at least That's kind of how I look at it. So, guys,
Speaker 1: in terms of coaches, who are you know, I don't know,
Speaker 1: calling the plays on both sides of the ball now? Defensively,
Speaker 1: is there any change from the offensive side? Is the
Speaker 1: defense in your thought I don't want to say not important,
Speaker 1: but is it not as rigid just because you don't
Speaker 1: have You do have some play calls on the defensive side,
Speaker 1: but it's not like it's going to dictate the play.
Speaker 1: The defense is mostly read and react where offense is
Speaker 1: mostly attack. Does that change at all in your estimations
Speaker 1: terms who should be calling, or who should be lining up,
Speaker 1: or who should be putting the players in their proper positions?
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts about calling on the defensive side.
Speaker 1: I don't think well. I think since twenty eighteen, I
Speaker 1: don't think Belichick has well. I don't think he's named
Speaker 1: a specific defensive cording. I think he's had. Last year
Speaker 1: he had Drawn Mayo and Steve Belichick, I believe called
Speaker 1: at the plays, and I think he's completely comfortable with that,
Speaker 1: and because I think he trusts them most of all,
Speaker 1: I think belichicks he wants someone that he can trust
Speaker 1: and to call the place. But I think he shadows around.
Speaker 1: He's like kind of popping in because he has one
Speaker 1: of the best defensive minds as a coach has had
Speaker 1: in recent years. So I think he has a scheme.
Speaker 1: I think he loves preparations. He loves that week that
Speaker 1: coming up to the Sunday or whenever their game is
Speaker 1: and he's like, Okay, we need to contain this guy.
Speaker 1: We got to push this guy out of a pocket.
Speaker 1: And that's like their defensive scheme. But I think they
Speaker 1: last year they were man heavy. They think they were
Speaker 1: third in Cover one. Yes, we'll see how that goes
Speaker 1: this year because they lost Jasey Jackson and obviously Stephan Gilmour,
Speaker 1: they lost free agency, so we'll see how man heavy
Speaker 1: they are. They might run a lot more so in
Speaker 1: this year. But I think he knows his players, he
Speaker 1: knows their strengths, and he studies the opponent and does
Speaker 1: whatever he can do to make the opponent. Very good stuff, Alex.
Speaker 1: Now you can't see this where you're listening to this program,
Speaker 1: but I can see it. Alex is sitting here in
Speaker 1: a vintage throwback Chicago Bulls nineteen ninety one NBA T shirt.
Speaker 1: What is up with that? Uh? Looks very good? Where's
Speaker 1: mj oh? I don't see. I don't see. He's got
Speaker 1: to be in there, right? Oh, there is that him
Speaker 1: over on the left there. Yeah, because they're all caricaturs, right,
Speaker 1: that's a cool yeah, I think this look fantastic. I
Speaker 1: have to ask, yeah, right, what are you wearing? I know,
Speaker 1: all right, just because you're a fan of the Bulls
Speaker 1: or what. Uh, I'm a fan of MJ. But I
Speaker 1: don't know. I just really like the shirt and bought it. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's fair. How long have you had that shirt? A
Speaker 1: few months? Where did you get a nineteen ninety one
Speaker 1: shirt from just a few months ago? Oh, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's definitely not authentic. I just found it online. Oh
Speaker 1: one of those Okay, okay, I got you. All right.
Speaker 1: We like to digress a lot on the show, and
Speaker 1: that just caught my eye, and I'm like, does that
Speaker 1: really say nineteen ninety one? You know, because in nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety one, that was thirty one years ago. You weren't
Speaker 1: a live dude. No, you won't even you weren't even
Speaker 1: a twinkle in your mama's eye. No, nope, nope, nope, nope,
Speaker 1: I barely was. I also lie a lot too, So
Speaker 1: all right, so I guess I get the next thing
Speaker 1: that we really need to kind of get to here
Speaker 1: is we start to wrap up the show. Is we've
Speaker 1: talked about calling plays in some instances it could be important,
Speaker 1: but overall not really. The players still have to execute, right. Um,
Speaker 1: If it is a big deal, well then clearly after
Speaker 1: what we mentioned this Jake three or four weeks, then
Speaker 1: maybe the coaches deserved to get some of the criticism.
Speaker 1: I don't know that a defined coaching role is going
Speaker 1: to necessarily help the team get better, and I think
Speaker 1: that's what a lot of people think. I think there
Speaker 1: are a lot of fans who are concerned that whatever
Speaker 1: progress Matt Jones head as we just talked about last year,
Speaker 1: might get slowed this year because he doesn't have that
Speaker 1: quarterback whisperer necessarily in his ear. Who's to say that,
Speaker 1: Matt Patricia isn't that. Who's to say that Joe Judge
Speaker 1: isn't that? If these guys are all on the same page,
Speaker 1: working together toward the same goal, and they need to win.
Speaker 1: And I think these coaches, as they try to work
Speaker 1: their way back up the coaching ladder, they need to
Speaker 1: win in order to be able to get that attention.
Speaker 1: If this team has success with this particular you know backdrop,
Speaker 1: don't you think it's quite likely that they may get
Speaker 1: another shot somewhere else. I think it will be defined
Speaker 1: as the season goes on, if they're having learning the
Speaker 1: record or if they're doing really well, they'll reveal who
Speaker 1: he's doing what like, you could think maybe they like
Speaker 1: a player, says Matt, Patricia is doing a really good
Speaker 1: job so far, especially this week, on calling place and
Speaker 1: so that will help them out a lot. It might
Speaker 1: very well be if Matt's started out calling today, maybe
Speaker 1: next week it's Joe. Maybe they shared a position. Well,
Speaker 1: that's kind of what I'm thinking. I wouldn't be at
Speaker 1: all surprised to see coach Judge calling plays before two
Speaker 1: much longer. Man, I don't know if they'll go every
Speaker 1: other day. They might. We'll find out tomorrow, I guess,
Speaker 1: and the day after. But I could certainly see where,
Speaker 1: you know, week one one coach gets it, week two,
Speaker 1: the next coach gets it. Because we were sort of
Speaker 1: told during the you know, mini camp, but the OTAs
Speaker 1: that this is sort of going to be a kind
Speaker 1: of an open thing and they were gonna just kind
Speaker 1: of decide what was going to happen here based on
Speaker 1: how these players practice and how they respond to the
Speaker 1: play calls that are made, and where they respond the
Speaker 1: best is kind of the direction this team is going
Speaker 1: to go. So this is an open book. Matt called
Speaker 1: it in day one. I'm sure Joe's going to get
Speaker 1: a shot. There maybe a couple of other guys on
Speaker 1: the offensive staff that may have an opportunity here because
Speaker 1: one of the things, and I know you guys know
Speaker 1: this because you did your research on the coaches they coach,
Speaker 1: is an opportunity here to work their way up. Right,
Speaker 1: Some people kind of feel like, you know, Coach belichick
Speaker 1: sons you know on the defensive side are here. Why
Speaker 1: because their their last name is Belichick. But he entrusts
Speaker 1: them with a lot of responsibility. And we think that
Speaker 1: at least Steve Belichick in particular has probably done his
Speaker 1: fair share of play calling already. Has he not? Yeah,
Speaker 1: mixed bag maybe, but he's learning. And you think about
Speaker 1: how players have position battles throughout training camps. He was
Speaker 1: under us, and there's also coach battles see who can
Speaker 1: get which position, who can work up the ladder fact,
Speaker 1: And I think that's part of the intriguing fun really,
Speaker 1: if you want to put it that way. It's just
Speaker 1: sort of the the storyline that we can kind of
Speaker 1: follow and have some fun with throughout the course of
Speaker 1: training camp. Hey, not only their battles going on amongst
Speaker 1: the players, there's competition amongst the coaches here. Why not.
Speaker 1: I think it's good and it's healthy, you know, and
Speaker 1: if every other team has it, look, you know, has
Speaker 1: a defensive coordinator, offensive coordinator, a position coach, whatever it
Speaker 1: may be. Okay, that's great because you found somebody who
Speaker 1: defined for that role. And if they screw up, well
Speaker 1: they're going to catch their fair share of heat. If
Speaker 1: the Patriots screw up and we don't know who's in
Speaker 1: that particular role, you're already deflecting pressure, you're already deflecting criticism. Well,
Speaker 1: this is kind of a team thing, right, Okay, that's fine,
Speaker 1: but somebody's ultimately got to be responsible for the call
Speaker 1: plus or minus. And I think it's Bill's way of
Speaker 1: protecting his guys and he's helping to try to nurture
Speaker 1: them and get them back to, you know, where he
Speaker 1: feels they can be not only effective for the Patriots,
Speaker 1: but maybe for their own careers. I think that's one
Speaker 1: of the things that I like about coach Belichick, and
Speaker 1: I've always liked about coach Belichick. I think he has
Speaker 1: an intrinsic sense of loyalty to his guys, right, he's loyal,
Speaker 1: And man, if you're playing for a coach in your
Speaker 1: own sports, right, don't you want to coach at least
Speaker 1: if you're gonna go out and bust your tail for him,
Speaker 1: don't you want him to have your back somewhere else
Speaker 1: on down the line. I don't even know that Coach
Speaker 1: Belichick started out as the most loyal guy, because you
Speaker 1: guys know the history. When Drew Bledsoe got hurt, mo
Speaker 1: Lewis piled him over for the Jets and Tom Brady
Speaker 1: stepped in back in no one right, and Drew Bledsoe
Speaker 1: thought that Coach Belichick was being disloyal way back, you know,
Speaker 1: all those years ago, before you guys were even born.
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, here's, you know, a situation where
Speaker 1: you'll like to think that he's loyal. Everything that he's
Speaker 1: done in the past indicates loyalty. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: it's also a business. Okay, we're in the business of
Speaker 1: winning here, and I think the track record has proven
Speaker 1: that there are a lot of decisions, undoubtedly that have
Speaker 1: been derided, been complained about, been argued about. Oh God,
Speaker 1: he didn't know what the hell he's doing, and yet
Speaker 1: the team still stays competitive and the team wins. Last year,
Speaker 1: this team went ten and seven, they still made the
Speaker 1: playoffs with a rookie quarterback. I'm trying to kind of
Speaker 1: look at the sunny side of the picture here if
Speaker 1: you kind of get the gist here. Did they do
Speaker 1: what we wanted him to do? No? Did they get
Speaker 1: blown out by the Bills. Yes, okay, Buffalo is clearly superior.
Speaker 1: They go into the season as the favorite in the
Speaker 1: ANFC East. They should be. They earned it. I've always
Speaker 1: been in the opinion. You know, the champ is still
Speaker 1: the champ until the champ gets beat, then the champ
Speaker 1: is not the champ anymore. And that's how I look
Speaker 1: at it. I always looked at it like that when
Speaker 1: the Patriots were the champs. I look at it now.
Speaker 1: Buffalo they won the division. They deserve to be there
Speaker 1: until somebody can knock them off. I don't think that
Speaker 1: this division got weaker. I think this division particularly got stronger.
Speaker 1: Buffalo is still gonna Buffalo. Miami has definitely improved. I'm
Speaker 1: actious to see how that coaching staff reacts, and I'm
Speaker 1: wondering with a changeover and staff from what Brian Flores
Speaker 1: now to you know, the new regime there. I'm wondering
Speaker 1: if that sets them back at all, and can the
Speaker 1: Jets be as bad as the Jets have been in
Speaker 1: the last few years. I don't know that they can be.
Speaker 1: At some point time, they're gonna come up and they're
Speaker 1: gonna bite you a little bit. You have someone that
Speaker 1: Greg that's just I mean, they're all the teams are
Speaker 1: getting better. It's like a more competition in the division up. Yep.
Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna put you on the spot. Pick
Speaker 1: a winner in the AFC East. I think it has
Speaker 1: three the Bills. Yeah, Bills, I clear a favorite, So
Speaker 1: I would pick that. You're definitely going to build, all right.
Speaker 1: What's the Patriots record going to be? Also? I think
Speaker 1: they stay the same. I think they go ten and seven,
Speaker 1: but they start off They're gonna start off slow. New
Speaker 1: coaching change, especially on the offense. I wouldn't be surprised
Speaker 1: the first five weeks they're like two and three, maybe
Speaker 1: maybe three and two. But I think they're gonna have
Speaker 1: a slow start, but I think they're gonna pick it up. Jake,
Speaker 1: what do you think, I would say probably nine and
Speaker 1: eight on just on the outskirts of a playoff fair
Speaker 1: So you think they'll be on the outside looking in
Speaker 1: at nine to eight. The entire AFC has gotten better,
Speaker 1: especially out last what the Bronco is, the Chargers, the
Speaker 1: Raiders and the Chiefs still and all the other teams
Speaker 1: like the Colts and the teams from the North, like
Speaker 1: the Ravens. It's gonna be a tight. I think they
Speaker 1: just be on the outside of it. So nine and
Speaker 1: eight is not good enough to get in the dance? Nope, Okay,
Speaker 1: what do you think, Greg, Yeah, I'm thinking the same
Speaker 1: thing as Jake. Nine and eight just out but like
Speaker 1: they're also gonna have like that slow start and loose
Speaker 1: like the first few games and and everybody will panic, yeah,
Speaker 1: and then they slowly pick it up, but they're right there. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, guys, good job today, man where to go.
Speaker 1: Excellent work thanks to all of our broadcasters here at
Speaker 1: Dean College today. I mean, I have so much fun
Speaker 1: every year when we're able and I have the ability
Speaker 1: to host these guys. You know, our campus, our campus
Speaker 1: frank and Franklin, Mass is literally fifteen minutes from here
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Speaker 1: proud of the fact that we do have an academic
Speaker 1: partnership with Craft Sports and Entertainment with the Patriots, with
Speaker 1: the Revolution, with Patriot Place, with Gillette Stadium, and what
Speaker 1: that really means is and we were the first school
Speaker 1: in the country to have a defined academic partnership with
Speaker 1: an NFL franchise, and one of the things we've been
Speaker 1: proud of, and the mister Craft and Jonathan and everybody
Speaker 1: really with the Patriots, they saw the value on what
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Speaker 1: train the next generation of people who want to work
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Speaker 1: the sports broadcasting, the sports media end of that, but
Speaker 1: we're also you know, into sports management, sports marketing, sports sales,
Speaker 1: sports conditioning, sports science, all that stuff. What we do,
Speaker 1: especially at Dean and our broadcasters here this week, utilizing
Speaker 1: the auspices of these radio studios and doing some TV
Speaker 1: work and giving them a chance to cut their teeth
Speaker 1: a little bit and learn something, take it back to school,
Speaker 1: and then hopefully, like we said at the beginning of
Speaker 1: the program, hopefully they're in here in my chair somewhere.
Speaker 1: They booted me out. And guys, have anyone of you
Speaker 1: does that? You're all dead to me? Okay, No, I'm
Speaker 1: just teasing. Super job, Super Job, appreciate it all the time. Man,
Speaker 1: thanks for helping a quarterback at all. So we got Alex, John,
Speaker 1: Mike James, Nick, Jack, Aiden Brody, Aaron, Jonah, Alex, Alex,
Speaker 1: number three, Jake and Greg as all of our teammates
Speaker 1: here today. Thank you, gentlemen, Thank you for taking the
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