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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to the show. My name is Matt, my name

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Speaker 1: is no. They call me Ben. You are you and

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Speaker 1: that makes this stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 1: First off, it's very important to all of us, just

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Speaker 1: as individuals and on this show to provide credit, good

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Speaker 1: we're very fortunate because we have a lot of good

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Speaker 1: Gargangeline shout out to our fantastic intern, former fantastic former

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Speaker 1: intern Sam T. Garden, who had the unenvied bowl or

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Speaker 1: very enviable task of sifting through months of email to

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Speaker 1: learn what you friends and neighbors, our listeners, the most

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Speaker 1: important part of the show found most intriguing. You've met

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Speaker 1: Sam before? Yes, Sam was our guest on the Golan

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Speaker 1: at one of the charter schools. And now again thanks

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Speaker 1: Sam for being on the show for that. Thank you, Sam, hey.

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Speaker 1: Also our super producer Tristan McNeil. Here, Tristan, can we

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Speaker 1: have like some sort of applause queue for Sam perfect

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Speaker 1: I like that and a cranky Tristan sound effect because

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Speaker 1: It's solely an emoji. Sometimes it'll just be like a

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Speaker 1: a great like Tristan. Probably I'll get his own episode

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Speaker 1: one day. It'll be all an audio emoji. Yes, with

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Speaker 1: Sam tea Garden. One thing we want to point out

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Speaker 1: the sift kid Tea Garden. What the sift kid like

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Speaker 1: sifting through stuff? Oh? I thought you meant like panning

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Speaker 1: for gold or yeah kind of yes, yeah, he's sift

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Speaker 1: for gold. Yeah. And whether or not you are familiar

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Speaker 1: with our friends Sam Tea Garden who probably heard a

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Speaker 1: great deal about a country called the Democratic People's Republic

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Speaker 1: of Korea street name North Korea. And you've heard it

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Speaker 1: some progress in their i c b m's intercontinental ballistic

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Speaker 1: stuff going on. May you live in interesting times? Right? Yeah? Exactly,

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Speaker 1: chiefs the curse that keeps on cursing. For some background

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Speaker 1: on the truth behind the fiction surrounding the so called

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Speaker 1: which unfortunately we may need to update soon for sure. Today, however,

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Speaker 1: historical events, beginning with the division of the peninsula along

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Speaker 1: a quick word from our sponsor. Here's where it gets crazy.

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Speaker 1: So President Park had a very close friend, a woman

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Speaker 1: in and if we apply it to the United States president,

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Speaker 1: just in our recurrent situation, President Trump performing rituals in

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Speaker 1: the White House with other people around. You know, maybe

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Speaker 1: they're not so creepy, but but the rituals were talking

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Speaker 1: about well first, you know, for another example, Ronald Reagan

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Speaker 1: consulted an astrologer. It's true, leader of the free world,

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Speaker 1: the most dangerous nukes at the time, and presidents do

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Speaker 1: hang out at the Bohemian grove right at the time

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Speaker 1: of our recording, part continues to deny any alley gaitions

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Speaker 1: of participating in cult rituals at the Blue House, think

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Speaker 1: of it as the South Korean White House, the President's

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Speaker 1: home specifically. To answer your question, all these rituals included,

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Speaker 1: but we're not limited to acts of alleged clairvoyance, fortune telling,

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Speaker 1: and channeling. Miss Joy is rumored to have told Miss

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Speaker 1: Park she was capable of channeling the spirit of the

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Speaker 1: president's dead mother. Additionally, she gave the President amulets that

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Speaker 1: had purported abilities to provide magical protection. She also um

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Speaker 1: listening devices. Quite possibly, she also advised the president on

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Speaker 1: which sorts of colors to wear and when, for example,

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Speaker 1: red and white clothing. I want to stop here before

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Speaker 1: we're before we get too far, and note that one

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Speaker 1: thing I really liked about the question you asked no

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Speaker 1: when you said, well, shamanistic rituals. What type of these

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Speaker 1: things for someone who you know? Historically all the US

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Speaker 1: presidents have outwardly, at least if only for the votes,

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Speaker 1: said that they were Christians. So it's kind of getting

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Speaker 1: at you mean, like, is it that bizarre and another

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Speaker 1: culture to perform these kind of quote unquote rituals. Is

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Speaker 1: it any more bizarre than presidents holding prayer meetings or

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Speaker 1: something like right or prayer breakfast or something. Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I really appreciate that point because I

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Speaker 1: think it's it's a fantastic points when we need to

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Speaker 1: make because there there are, um, there are shamanistic religious

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Speaker 1: practices in Korean. They are a part of the culture,

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Speaker 1: you know. So it's it's not necessarily, um, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: necessarily mean that this is stuff that Choi and her

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Speaker 1: father just made up. However, it does seem that it

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Speaker 1: does seem that the daughter took up the father mentor

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Speaker 1: role and definitely put the kid in horse school. That's

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Speaker 1: what that thinks for sure. So opponents of Park allege

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Speaker 1: their friend Choi was actually less like a friend and

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Speaker 1: more like a behind the scenes puppet master, picking up

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Speaker 1: where her father left off and directing the president in

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Speaker 1: matters of state policy. We know the choy ad access

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Speaker 1: to secret government documents. We also know that she edited

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Speaker 1: the president's speeches. But that leads us to a couple

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Speaker 1: of questions. Right, Yeah, we don't know exactly what types

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Speaker 1: of edits were made to the speeches. On one hand,

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Speaker 1: it could be as simple as proof reading. Maybe she's

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Speaker 1: just fixing some typos, right sure, just going through right

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Speaker 1: clicking in the word document and or whatever document and

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Speaker 1: there fixing the red saying that's actually further not farther. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But on the other hand, Joy could have been altering

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Speaker 1: the content of the speeches, like meaning, somebody with absolutely

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Speaker 1: zero official government position was creating public policy through the

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Speaker 1: words of the president and possibly even swaying these things

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Speaker 1: like whatever is happening in either the favor of the

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Speaker 1: church or in personally choice favor. Because we know, like

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Speaker 1: I mean, speeches don't necessarily dictate policy directly, but they

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Speaker 1: can certainly shape perception and um, you know, the give

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Speaker 1: the impression of support of certain things, and that matters.

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Speaker 1: We know words matter, and that can make a big

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Speaker 1: difference in you know, the way things move in terms

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Speaker 1: of actual policy. Yeah, you're you're sending signals to the

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Speaker 1: rest of your government by saying things in public. That's

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Speaker 1: just it signaling. Yeah, and it is. It is very important.

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Speaker 1: It's a crucial component of foreign policy. So somebody with

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Speaker 1: no qualifications other than being someone's friend and or manipulator

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Speaker 1: had their hands at the wheel in one of the

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Speaker 1: most um, I would say, one of the top three

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Speaker 1: most fragile geopolitical areas in this time. You know, what

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Speaker 1: if what if Kim John un here's his speech that

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Speaker 1: he or his advisors don't like. You know, I have

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Speaker 1: a feeling that happens all the time. Probably does it,

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Speaker 1: Probably does. So this is an ongoing situation, and where

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Speaker 1: does it leave us in the modern day. We'll draw

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Speaker 1: some conclusions after a word from our sponsor, Well, we're

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Speaker 1: back and it doesn't look good right. Ms Park certainly

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Speaker 1: did seem to be under this way of choice influence

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Speaker 1: as well as choice fathers and heads of the corporation

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Speaker 1: involved are saying, you know, it's fairly it's incredibly uncommon

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Speaker 1: for these very powerful business leaders to be called into

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Speaker 1: the version of Congress. Uh. They're saying they were coerced

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Speaker 1: into donating millions of dollars to choice organizations. South Korea

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Speaker 1: already elected a new president, Like, how do you I'm

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Speaker 1: just wondering about being coerced into donating millions of dollars

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Speaker 1: to this stuff, because I guess you could have. You

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Speaker 1: could threaten to impose sanction or you know, new taxes

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Speaker 1: or you know, things that would make operating your giant

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Speaker 1: conglomerate unfeasible. I can't imagine how much pressure, but there

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Speaker 1: must have been something there, some triggers to pull. Well,

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Speaker 1: there's also the yeah, they're they're definitely triggers. There. There

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Speaker 1: are hard triggers, and they're soft triggers that might not

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Speaker 1: ever legally be uh personal stuff you're right, legal or

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Speaker 1: legally recognized as a threat to Yeah, there might be

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Speaker 1: personal stuff, um, but it might also be something as

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Speaker 1: simple as we have new complications on building codes, right,

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Speaker 1: or tariffs or something. You know. I wonder if Joy

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Speaker 1: threatened to summon the dead relatives of some of the

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Speaker 1: leaders of the conglomerates. That's an interesting idea, Matt. At

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Speaker 1: this point, we don't At this point, we don't know

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Speaker 1: if it's anything like that, and most likely as likely

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Speaker 1: as not, it would just be interesting. Well, that's the thing.

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Speaker 1: Without knowing what was happening, right, it's it's very difficult

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Speaker 1: for people to form uh concrete opinion or sort of

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Speaker 1: chronological chain of events. We do know that since the

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Speaker 1: tenth of May twenties seventeen, uh, there's been a new

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Speaker 1: president in South Korea, Moon giant in Um, who as

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Speaker 1: far as we know, is not under this way of

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Speaker 1: a cult. As a former human rights lawyer and chief

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Speaker 1: of staff to another former president, Romo hunt Uh he

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Speaker 1: was he was elected with a with an okay, okay

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Speaker 1: share of the of the vote. It seems like it

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Speaker 1: in all honesty, they just had to have a snap

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Speaker 1: election to get this other person out. Um. So that's

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Speaker 1: that's the case. So far as this is a developing situation,

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Speaker 1: we'll probably hear more about it. Um. It does not

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Speaker 1: come at the best time of course, geo politically, we

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Speaker 1: are this. This is gonna come out after we recorded,

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Speaker 1: so some of the events may seem a little bit

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Speaker 1: um older or changed even slightly, but not much hopefully

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Speaker 1: right like we are currently recording this the day before

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Speaker 1: the DPRK is set to launch another I C b

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Speaker 1: M and they'll be launching it on Saturday, September nine, yepeha,

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Speaker 1: and we can do an entire episode about North Korea's

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Speaker 1: purported nuclear capabilities plus versus their actual nuclear nuclear capabilities.

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Speaker 1: But at this time the region is under intense global

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Speaker 1: scrutiny and the powers that be are are flocking there.

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Speaker 1: This is a this is going to be as well

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Speaker 1: said interests a series of interesting times for South Korean

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Speaker 1: president and for the people of the region. Just as

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Speaker 1: a side note, I know a few people, multiple people,

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Speaker 1: who are in the navy, and they have been snapped

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Speaker 1: up from being on leave to go on an adventure

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Speaker 1: somewhere that they cannot discuss. So it always makes me think, Oh,

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Speaker 1: I wonder if they're heading that way. Who knows. At

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Speaker 1: the same time, we have signals from officials in the

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Speaker 1: Russian and US governments talking about that are indicating arms

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Speaker 1: build up training exercises. I want a time to be alive.

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Speaker 1: I hope that the streak of being alive continues not

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Speaker 1: and of course we hope that everyone hearing this is

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Speaker 1: in a safe place. Uh. And we are sending our

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Speaker 1: thoughts and support to the innocent people of the world

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Speaker 1: because you know, as they say, what's that old quote,

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Speaker 1: when elephants go to war, only the grass suffers. Oh geez,

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Speaker 1: trampling on all. And just one last thing here before

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Speaker 1: we you know, into this episode, per se, are you

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Speaker 1: doing the voice? Do the voice somewhere? We just have

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Speaker 1: to remember in our own country, if we look at ourselves,

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Speaker 1: the United States has an long tradition of secret societies

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Speaker 1: among the upper echelons of our government. Yeah, he including

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Speaker 1: freemasonrya let's say, the Illuminatis perhaps of Bavaria, and you know,

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Speaker 1: the Bohemian grove, Skull and Bones, all of these other

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Speaker 1: secret societies that the United States voter just has to

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Speaker 1: either not know about or completely ignore when they make

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Speaker 1: their decision on who they're going to vote for, because

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Speaker 1: most of the people that get up to that level

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Speaker 1: have been a part of one or more of these.

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Speaker 1: You know, that's a great point, Matt, and I'm glad

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Speaker 1: you made it, because it goes so so it's in

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Speaker 1: the great interest of people who profit from a status

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Speaker 1: quo to enforce um disunity amongst the bottom part of society, right,

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Speaker 1: or any lower part of society. So often you'll see

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Speaker 1: this false dichotomy um hinging on a political position, ship

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Speaker 1: or am. I mean, the best is when there's blind

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Speaker 1: loyalty to a party, because when the parties are both

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Speaker 1: fingers on the same hand, then everybody gets to have

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00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: a little bit of bread and circuses, a little bit

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Speaker 1: of Facebook liking, a little bit of clicktivism or whatever,

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Speaker 1: and feel that they've done their part for um reproduction

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Speaker 1: or gun ownership or whatever whatever their issue is. And honestly,

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Speaker 1: just saying it on a podcast that I know goes

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Speaker 1: out to a number of people makes me feel good.

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Speaker 1: But ultimately, what does it do? What does it do? Right?

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Speaker 1: And the the groups who are participating in the just buffoonish,

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Speaker 1: buffoonish summer camp that is Bohemian Grove or the dumb

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Speaker 1: fraternity that has skull and bones. I mean, look, here's

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Speaker 1: the thing with tradition. I don't have an opinion because well,

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Speaker 1: it's a very powerful organization with very powerful people in it,

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Speaker 1: and um, hopefully those people are using their power to

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Speaker 1: keep this species alive and push it toward its ultimate destiny,

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Speaker 1: which is expanding beyond this planet before we destroy it

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Speaker 1: one way or another. Uh. However, I think that it

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Speaker 1: is a lapse in critical thinking to assume that because

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Speaker 1: something has existed for a long time, or that because

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Speaker 1: powerful people like it, it is therefore somehow correct or superior.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look at uh. Sadly, there's so many examples

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Speaker 1: of times where people said, well, that's tradition or that's

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Speaker 1: how we've done it, and those turned out to be terrible, terrible,

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Speaker 1: incredibly stupid things. And we're still doing a lot of them,

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Speaker 1: and we can't we as individuals, we as groups, whatever

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Speaker 1: group you align yourself with, have to be I have

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Speaker 1: to take great pains to note that the problems we

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Speaker 1: so easily spy, or so we easily perceive in other organizations,

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Speaker 1: whether that's a religion, a state, or a business or

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Speaker 1: a family, whatever, a fan club for Christopher Walkin, groups

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Speaker 1: of humans tend to have some of the same root problems,

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Speaker 1: you know, And the same rotten uh tooth of corruption

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Speaker 1: in the mouth of the South Korean government um and

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Speaker 1: still exists. Right, the president was corrupt, But we can't

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Speaker 1: act like the US doesn't have its own cavities in

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Speaker 1: this terrible analogy. Dude, I I feel that the big

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Speaker 1: thing for me is loyalty. If you if you are

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Speaker 1: swearing an oath to serve as a democratically elected official,

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Speaker 1: especially and in the executive office as the president for

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Speaker 1: the people, you are you are acting as an executor

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Speaker 1: of the people's will essentially and also you know in

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Speaker 1: a way, and that's at least what it says. But

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Speaker 1: what if you've already sworn an oath to one of

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Speaker 1: these secret societies prior to swearing that oath. Do they

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Speaker 1: exist simultaneously? Do you? You know, who do you serve?

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Speaker 1: If you are a public public figure, if you're a

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Speaker 1: government official, should you be required to disclose all all

635
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 1: the ins and outs of those businesses or you know,

636
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,879
Speaker 1: I swear like break that oath in some way officially? Well,

637
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 1: then is it a violation of because government official is

638
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 1: still a citizen, is a violation at least in the

639
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 1: US of their right to privacy? Oh? My god, you

640
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: know what anything? I don't know. I just I support

641
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 1: the right to you know, for a high level government

642
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: officials to have a guru of some sort they just

643
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: keep around, you know, I think that's that's cool. Yeah,

644
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,800
Speaker 1: what's the point of having a stressful job like that

645
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 1: if you can't have some sort of weird magician that

646
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,439
Speaker 1: you come around with all the time. There should always

647
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 1: be resputing a choice and still there. Uh. You know

648
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,839
Speaker 1: that's interesting because we we do know that there are

649
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 1: advisors in different countries that would they're doing things that

650
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 1: would be considered magical acts, right like Myanmar. Uh we're

651
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 1: also a k Burma had the military powers there for

652
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 1: a long time. Uh took the advice of astrologers and

653
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 1: actually relocated the capital for that and even magical beliefs aside,

654
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 1: just having a trusted confidant or an advisor, especially if

655
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 1: you're in a series, if you're in a position where

656
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 1: several million, several hundred million people in case of of

657
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 1: any US president past n probably would like to kill you.

658
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:16,839
Speaker 1: You know, it's good to have friends. Sometimes you want

659
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 1: to go where everybody knows your name, you know. You know,

660
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 1: I haven't learned much from TV and movies, but one

661
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 1: thing I have learned is that the bad guy is

662
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 1: almost always the close trusted advisor. Oh like Scar almost

663
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: always in the Lion King or Iago, There's so many

664
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 1: A lot of times it's the magician. A lot of

665
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 1: times you know, it's the religious leader just saying yeah,

666
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: you know, that makes me think, Lads and gentlemen, if

667
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:53,399
Speaker 1: you were in a position of immense power, or if

668
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 1: you are now, h do you practice uh having gurus?

669
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: Do you have a trusted advisor? Uh? Do you have

670
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 1: even if you are not in a position of quote

671
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 1: unquote imense power? Now, do you have a spiritual advisor?

672
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 1: Do you do you have someone that has a connection

673
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,800
Speaker 1: to things unseen and little understood? And if so, do

674
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: you follow their lead. Have you met with success or

675
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 1: have you been burned in the shamanistic rituals? We'd like

676
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 1: to Yeah, whatever the belief system, maybe we'd like to

677
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: hear from you. And speaking of which reminds us it's

678
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 1: time for first shout out today comes from Simon. Hey

679
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 1: from Australia, says Simon of the show. So, I thought

680
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 1: i'd give you a story I heard from a friend's

681
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 1: grandpapa um I inserted the extra papa um. He was

682
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: in the navy in Al Salvador or the US, and

683
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 1: after this encounter, he and his shipmates have never set

684
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 1: foot back on a boat. When they were out in

685
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: the Atlantic one night, massive swells began to form out

686
00:45:59,960 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 1: of nowhere, and he said something came out of the

687
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: water that was so big that his eyes were the

688
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 1: size of a semi trailer. It looked directly at the

689
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:10,320
Speaker 1: boat and went back under water. So Simon says that

690
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 1: when they reported this to the command they were basically

691
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 1: dressed down by their commanders or whatever and basically accused

692
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:20,919
Speaker 1: of being drunk. Um. So he swears to the story

693
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: and isn't go into too much more detail, but he

694
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: hates talking about it. Also, have you ever heard about

695
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: the Westall UFO sighting. I highly recommend you suss it out,

696
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: as Australia is known for weird things like UFO sightings.

697
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: Keep up the good work and schedooche nice Simon. That's

698
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: a cool story. Uh, you know the size of a

699
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:45,839
Speaker 1: semi I like that. Yeah, I that's a tough one.

700
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 1: You gotta really believe that, friends Grandpa, but you know,

701
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 1: I believe him, but I want to learn more. Also,

702
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:57,959
Speaker 1: if there's a massive storm, maybe it's possible that something

703
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 1: that typically would be in the lower levels of the

704
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 1: ocean was pulled up to the surface momentarily. We just

705
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: came to check it out, or just came to check

706
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 1: it out, just to see what the happs were. The

707
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 1: West All Ufo encounter is a uf UFO story from

708
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty six where more than two hundred students and

709
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 1: teachers at these two schools UH witnessed in UFO descending

710
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: on a field. And it's an interesting case because you

711
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 1: know over two people, so there's a lot of corroboration.

712
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: That's a really good point, Simon, that's a really good

713
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: idea to thank you so much for writing in and

714
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 1: I hope your friend's grandfather talks about it more often.

715
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 1: That's you'd be surprised what people can remember when they try.

716
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 1: The size of a semi that keeps keeps baffling me.

717
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 1: I don't want to see that. Thanks, Writing in Simon,

718
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 1: who's next next? Shoutout goes to Cameron. Cameron, that's your

719
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: shout out, Cameron says, I was listening to the Lucky

720
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,840
Speaker 1: Yates episode, and you pondered why aliens would analyze the

721
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 1: ethics of abducting humans and come to the conclusion that

722
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 1: they must return us to Earth after abducting us, but

723
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 1: that they do not have to ask permission in the

724
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: first place. It stands to reason that, by our morality,

725
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: the most ethical way to approach an abduction would be

726
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 1: to ask permission first and return the abductee to their

727
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 1: original state afterwards. This is a primary tenet of the

728
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 1: American justice system, after all. Cameron says, However, what if

729
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:33,359
Speaker 1: alien morality does not parallel our own? Consider a man,

730
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 1: a human man who's sitting on a boat on a

731
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 1: lake with a pole attached to that pole as a

732
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 1: string with a hook on the end. This man is fishing.

733
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: I like how you're right, Cameron. Uh, he will not

734
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 1: ask the fish for their permission before catching them, but

735
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: there stands a good chance that if he will not

736
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 1: eat the fish, he will throw it back into the lake.

737
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 1: Why does the man do this Well, because humans have

738
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: an ethical standard that they apply to fishing, whereby the

739
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 1: fishes return into the water if it will not be eaten.

740
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:05,439
Speaker 1: We call this catch and release. We do this because

741
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 1: we do not assign enough value to the lives of

742
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 1: the fish to require their permission. Oh wow, right, So

743
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 1: is it possible that the aliens operate with the same

744
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 1: ethical dichotomy. Could they see us as fish hiding underneath

745
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 1: the surface of Earth's atmosphere and reason that their ethics

746
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 1: do not require them to ask permission of us fish

747
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 1: human folk, but do require them to return us to

748
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 1: Earth if they don't plan to eat us and or

749
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:35,280
Speaker 1: to you know, do something that would end our lives.

750
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:40,360
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, you know, I I really, I really appreciate

751
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: that point. To me, probably the stranger thing is just

752
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,800
Speaker 1: how one would traverse the gulfs of time and space.

753
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:53,320
Speaker 1: I really love the catch and release comparison. The reasoning

754
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 1: here is, what do you think, Matt, what do you

755
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 1: think though I love this, Cameron. If there are in

756
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: fact species of some sort that are advanced enough to

757
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 1: want to study humans and this is in fact what

758
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:09,399
Speaker 1: they're doing, this makes so much sense to me. Mm hmm.

759
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: And that that one line in particular, we do this

760
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,399
Speaker 1: because we do not assign enough value to the lives

761
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 1: of fish to require their permission. Isn't it funny to

762
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 1: how even people that are like a lot of you know,

763
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 1: non meat eaters, are okay with eating fish to be

764
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 1: like pesketarians because they aren't cuddly, they don't seem to have,

765
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 1: you know, anthropomorphic type traits. Yeah, I wonder And if

766
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: anyone's out there, like I'm interested actually to hear what

767
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 1: your reasoning is behind is it Is it like a

768
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 1: health thing or is it in fact a kind of

769
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:41,919
Speaker 1: more of an emotional thing. It's because their water breathers, man,

770
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 1: they breathing air. Now, an octopus is capable of experiencing

771
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 1: emotion and recognition, right, so ah, So if that's if

772
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 1: it's an ethical concern about like the ability to suffer

773
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 1: or have experience experience emotions, then I guess the pesketerium

774
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 1: shouldn't eat an octopus. I have known pescetarians that will

775
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 1: not eat cephalopods. So yeah, I mean I think it's

776
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 1: different for different people, but let us know. Yeah, that's

777
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 1: a great idea. And how can you prove if a

778
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:22,280
Speaker 1: fish feels emotion or not because they're always just going sorry,

779
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:26,399
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. Oh man, No, I respect that we're

780
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 1: working live all right, Nolan, I did a horse dance earlier.

781
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 1: So now now the three of us are back on

782
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 1: even keel, we have time one more shout out today

783
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 1: from recon uh reached the name assumed name uh. Recon says,

784
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 1: I just listened to the Pyramid podcast and the part

785
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 1: at the end where you said your conversations normally continue

786
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:53,839
Speaker 1: at a bar somewhere. I'd love if you all did

787
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 1: an after hours podcast where you were drinking at a

788
00:51:56,719 --> 00:52:01,839
Speaker 1: bar and continuing the conversation from a normal podcast. Thanks

789
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 1: so much, recon um drunk conspiracy or I mean even

790
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 1: just like conspira drunk the ambiance of a bar, hanging

791
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 1: out and having just maybe even if it's just a

792
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:18,839
Speaker 1: beer or something with the cameo from the bartender. Well yeah,

793
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:21,319
Speaker 1: and then just have we could have special guests come

794
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 1: over and just hang out with us. You say all

795
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 1: kinds of weird stuff. Once you've had a logger or two. Well, yeah,

796
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 1: I mean, look, we're still will still listen back and

797
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 1: Tristan will do his magic on whatever it is. But

798
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 1: I can imagine something really cool being there Tristan. You

799
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: have to edit sober though, right, That's that's the rule

800
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 1: he's given the no like not possible. Tristan will be

801
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 1: there with us and he'll edit real time as we're going,

802
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:47,360
Speaker 1: just like cut and then keep going. I love this.

803
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 1: I like the idea too. And we have you know,

804
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 1: we have a couple of regular spots, maybe sometime in

805
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 1: like October later in the year. I've been off the

806
00:52:56,280 --> 00:53:00,760
Speaker 1: sauce this month. We both have to have a cranberry.

807
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 1: I didn't want to talk out of school, but yeah,

808
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 1: it's been pretty great. Actually, I'm I'm I might. I

809
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 1: might never go back. Well, hey, if that's what you

810
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 1: want to do, Mandy, Yeah, uh, then I gotta tell you, Hey,

811
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 1: you know, the bar is not drinking. It is actually

812
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 1: really interesting and a lot of fun. I went to

813
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 1: a show the other night at a concert. I saw

814
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 1: this amazing band, the O c S. If anyone's ever

815
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:27,840
Speaker 1: heard of them, or check them out there like this,

816
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 1: um L a kind of garage e psychedelic punk kind

817
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:33,800
Speaker 1: of I don't know, it's hard to even describe, but

818
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 1: the dude that plays guitar just blows it up. He's

819
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 1: amazing and he's it's it's really really cool music. But

820
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: it was one of the first times I've been to

821
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 1: a concert like that and not had a drink. And

822
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 1: I felt so undistracted, Like I watched the whole show,

823
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 1: never move, never worried about getting back the bar, you're

824
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 1: getting in line whatever. I felt like it was a

825
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 1: much more full experience. I really enjoyed it. Not to nice,

826
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 1: preachy or anything. Have been kind of digging it. That's

827
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:07,319
Speaker 1: not preachy. Got more of your money's worth, you know. Yeah,

828
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 1: I went to a UH. I went to one of

829
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:15,320
Speaker 1: our like local bars in the area here and I

830
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 1: hung out for a couple of hours in my bar.

831
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 1: Tap was seven dollars. I got a hot dog and fries.

832
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:24,840
Speaker 1: It was great. UM So we're obviously into this idea

833
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:28,320
Speaker 1: recon and UH fellow listeners, let us know if you

834
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:31,720
Speaker 1: would want us to take a recording out and about

835
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 1: in the world where it would be believe it or not,

836
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:38,839
Speaker 1: Probably even more casual. My thought is we could incorporate

837
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 1: the Lucky Yates style of hanging out and discussing multiple topics.

838
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 1: I think we might be able to make this work. Gentlemen,

839
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 1: I'm game, and hopefully you are. To let us know.

840
00:54:53,239 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 1: For now, that concludes ours but not our show. We

841
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 1: will be back next week with something weird, fascinating, perhaps disturbing.

842
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:11,840
Speaker 1: There's one way to find out. Tune in when we've published. However,

843
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 1: before then, if you would like to learn more stuff

844
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:15,919
Speaker 1: they want you to know, you can find Matt, Noel

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Speaker 1: and I on Instagram. You can find us on Facebook.

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Speaker 1: You can find us on Twitter. If you were a

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Speaker 1: long time listener, you've heard the names of all those.

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Speaker 1: If it's your first time listening, let's make it interesting

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Speaker 1: and just search see what you find. Right, it's conspiracy stuff,

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Speaker 1: and then with Instagram just add show to the end

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Speaker 1: of it. You can do it. And if you don't

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Speaker 1: want to do any of that stuff, and you know, officially,

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Speaker 1: go on the internet and talk to us where it's

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Speaker 1: being recorded all the time. Well, your emails recorded too,

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Speaker 1: but anyway, you can send us an email. We are

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Speaker 1: conspiracy at how stuff works dot com.