1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: Ladies, you want experience during your football season, well, buckle up. 2 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 2: Sweet cheeks. 3 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:12,319 Speaker 1: All We've got all the experience in the world. 4 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 2: This is I Want Your Flex. 5 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:18,240 Speaker 1: With Dan Byer and Mike Harmon. Mike and Dan break 6 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 1: down everything you need to set your lineups, from position rankings. 7 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 2: To starts and sits. 8 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 1: The guys help you make those hard decisions. 9 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 2: And now let's get your flex. 10 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: Ond here's Dan Bayer and Mike Harmon. 11 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 3: Welcome in. It is I Want Your Flex, a Thanksgiving 12 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:37,160 Speaker 3: week edition. 13 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:40,559 Speaker 4: He is Mike Harmon, I'm Dan Byer. Ian Roddy is 14 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:44,480 Speaker 4: here as well. We start with the end of Week twelve, 15 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:48,199 Speaker 4: which Mike officially marks the two thirds points of our 16 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 4: NFL season. Now, there are still some buys to come 17 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:52,559 Speaker 4: up in Week fourteen, and once we. 18 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 3: Get past those then we are good to go. 19 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 4: However, two thirds of the way in of the season, 20 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 4: we are now hitting the home stretch, not only for 21 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 4: the regular season, but also for fantasy football. 22 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, it was an interesting start to the game, right, 23 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 5: we get the sledgehammer effect of what the Chargers are 24 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 5: trying to lay down. Let's get the brothers in the backyard. 25 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 5: Let's backyard wrestling and a great drive with the Herber touchdown, 26 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:16,960 Speaker 5: and it's like, all right, JK. Dobbins, he's going to 27 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 5: have himself a day. Alas he goes out with injury, 28 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 5: Gus Edwards can barely fall forward and now we have 29 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:28,400 Speaker 5: ourselves a problem. Eventually, the Ravens offense too much. Edwards 30 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:30,919 Speaker 5: did find the end zone. So if you did a 31 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:34,320 Speaker 5: desperation playoff the bye weeks and injuries, or maybe you 32 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 5: listen to this dope, you at least got a touchdown 33 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 5: out of the deal. But otherwise, I mean, we watched 34 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:43,959 Speaker 5: Lamar Jackson. That forty yard touchdown pass still seems silly 35 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 5: to me. You're gonna interfere with a guy for fifteen 36 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 5: yards plus, get called for it, and you don't even 37 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 5: get a play on the ball, nor do you knock 38 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 5: him on his ass stop him from catching a touchdown. 39 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 5: Great throw, great play, Bateman two for forty three in 40 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 5: a score, Andrews with a great touchdown on a bullet pass. 41 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:04,559 Speaker 5: I don't know if the referee thought the end zone 42 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 5: was equivalent to the Purdue end zone and sidelines from 43 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 5: a couple of weeks ago where dude was standing out 44 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 5: of bounds. 45 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 3: That was weird. 46 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 4: He was pretty definitive in saying that it was incomplete, 47 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:16,639 Speaker 4: and I'm like, wait what. 48 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, and even then he was still well in 49 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 5: bounds inside of the coloration there. But yeah, just kind 50 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 5: of a curiosity that a couple of moments right you 51 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 5: had the big would be past interference call that they 52 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 5: eventually waved off. And I thought that was a good, 53 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:33,360 Speaker 5: good not call, which might have set the Chargers up 54 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 5: in business to at least make it interesting down the stretch. 55 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 5: But Herbert two eighteen nothing through the air, took four sacks, 56 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 5: but did get that early rushing touchdown to at least 57 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 5: give you something. But you know, a miss and a 58 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 5: huge spot against what had been a woeful Ravens defense, 59 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 5: and you had no Roquan Smith, so a guy who's 60 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 5: a disruptor and a stopper. And again the injury to 61 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 5: Dobbins think sets things apart. But more of the same 62 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 5: from dere Derek Henry, another one hundred and forty yard performance. 63 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 5: Even though you didn't find the end zone, you still 64 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:12,919 Speaker 5: got some love from him. And then Lamar won seventy 65 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 5: seven eight world beating but rushing touchdown and two throwing. Yeah, 66 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 5: you'll spike all day on a Chargers team because like 67 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:21,920 Speaker 5: he was on my cold sores of I don't know 68 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 5: what I'm getting because we talked about it, right, Dan, 69 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 5: I mean, what are the Chargers right? All statistics say this, 70 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 5: but the schedule says this. So rubber meets the road 71 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 5: and the Ravens came out put up thirty on them. 72 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 4: That's the funny thing is Lamar does end up having 73 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 4: a nice Fantasy week because of the touchdowns that he got, 74 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 4: but honestly, across the board, it really wasn't great for everyone. 75 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 4: Like even if you have Dereck Henry, you're like, but 76 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 4: he didn't get into the end zone. You know, he 77 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 4: had one hundred and forty yards on the ground. So 78 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 4: you can't sit there and complain about that. But I 79 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 4: know the people who are complaining are the ones that thought, like, yeah, 80 00:03:57,600 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 4: I believe in Quentin Johnston. 81 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 3: Now I am I believe right? 82 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 2: Five targets, Oh nothing. 83 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 3: Zilch a goose egg? Yeah tough. I mean JK. 84 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 4: Dobbins leaves with the knee injury, and that isn't even 85 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 4: the worst of it for the Chargers because Johnston just 86 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:17,719 Speaker 4: dropping that third down pass like he did, where he 87 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 4: could have he could have got all the points you 88 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:21,679 Speaker 4: needed that night on that one play, it wasn't able 89 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 4: to do it. 90 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just to be the story of his life. 91 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 3: So yeah, that's true. 92 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 4: And Justice Hill comes in and eliminates me from our 93 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 4: Guillotine League at Fox Sports Radeo, but just as ends 94 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 4: up having the one carry and the one touchdown run 95 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,600 Speaker 4: but was from fifty one yards out, so you know, 96 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:40,840 Speaker 4: he almost matches the numbers of Derrick Henry just because 97 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 4: of that run and getting into the end zone. So yeah, real, 98 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 4: real funky knight in what was a night where we 99 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 4: had fifty three points scored between two teams. But that's 100 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 4: what you get with the Ravens, I think. 101 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 5: But that's the curiosity right of the the big you know, 102 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 5: thirty thousand foot view when you take it back out, 103 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 5: you know, bridging fantasy and reality of of this win, 104 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 5: what it means and going forward for the Chargers, they 105 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 5: were starting to get a little bit chesty and they 106 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 5: got some fan support. I mean we didn't have the 107 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 5: audio on obviously doing the show. Carrie Rhodes in for 108 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 5: Jason Smith as we're watching the second half, but you know, 109 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 5: coming into the studio and pre show seemed like we 110 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:23,039 Speaker 5: actually have a pretty good contingent of Charger fans, which 111 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 5: was interesting. I mean, like starting to see a little 112 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 5: bit of swell, whether it was the effectiveness of the 113 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:32,160 Speaker 5: billboards of Jim Harbaugh or just people willing to buy 114 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:35,840 Speaker 5: in to what he's cooking, you know, at least, or 115 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 5: they're pumping in a lot of sound, which is always potential, 116 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 5: but it's the idea that you at least our creating 117 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 5: a little bit of a home environment, which we know 118 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:48,239 Speaker 5: for years going back to the soccer stadium and everything 119 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 5: was not exactly the best of circumstances. So either way, 120 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 5: it still comes out with a loss, and for fantasy purposes, 121 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:59,280 Speaker 5: left a lot of us wanting even as you said, Dan, 122 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 5: with the fifty three points scored. 123 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 4: Yeah, this is this is a little if I'm holding 124 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 4: Chargers stock and we'll get to the NFL teams and 125 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:09,799 Speaker 4: overall stock. 126 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:10,599 Speaker 3: Yeah. 127 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 2: By the way, I'm sorry about the Justice Soll thing. 128 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 3: That's it's okay. I watched it. 129 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 5: I watched it happen in real time because Moncey was 130 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 5: working with us on the show. 131 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 4: Everybody's telling me Moncey's jumping up and down, and it 132 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 4: just adds more salt in my wound. 133 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 3: You know. Like I even texted her. 134 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 4: I was like no, and She's like yes, I was 135 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:31,159 Speaker 4: loving it, you know because you know. 136 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 3: And I just hope she loses next week. That's all. 137 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 2: No, Yeah, let's go. 138 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 4: I'm not bitter at all. I'm not childish at all. No, 139 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 4: but the the whole Chargers scheme of things. If the 140 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 4: Dobbins injury is more significant than maybe we fear, you know, 141 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 4: than than what it looked like. If him at least 142 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 4: walking off, I mean he doesn't return in the second half, 143 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 4: that is that is a big blow to people in fantasy. 144 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 4: You mentioned Gus Edwards not being much of a filler 145 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 4: with that, Quinton Johnston with the o fur and now 146 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, you know what value you're going to get. 147 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 3: From Justin Herbert. The goodness they have the Falcons next week. 148 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 4: You know, there's that, so you would hope you'd be 149 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 4: able to at least move the football there. But yeah, 150 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 4: some serious questions with the Chargers now with the fantasy 151 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 4: wise moving forward, outside of Ladd McConkie, I don't know 152 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 4: who you can seriously consider in getting consistent fantasy production from. 153 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 4: If Dobbins is hurt and Johnston's going to play like that. 154 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 5: I guess the threshold is the question at tight end 155 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 5: because Will Disley is going to give you several receptions 156 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 5: a game. Sure, just a matter of whether you know 157 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 5: four to night four for forty seven he had four targets? 158 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 5: Is eight to eight point seven getting you to where 159 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 5: you need to be and at the tight end position, yeah, 160 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 5: you'll take the eight point seven most of the most 161 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 5: weeks in bank it right. Red zone would be nice, 162 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 5: but let's call it what it is. At this point 163 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 5: week thirteen, we're hopeful for guys that are going to 164 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 5: start and finish games and where you at least can 165 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 5: point to a target share because it's a mess like 166 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 5: team to team like that. Even some of the contenders 167 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 5: and I use contenders in quotes because you know, we 168 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 5: have to talk. It's like the old whiteboard we'd have 169 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 5: Dan in the studio where it was like, all right, 170 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 5: the NBA season starting, who do we got. Well, on 171 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 5: this side, it's the Warriors, and over here we got oh, 172 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 5: it's the Cavaliers. You got to put more names up. Okay, yeah, 173 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:36,599 Speaker 5: you know it's it's that kind of thing. And I 174 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 5: think the NFL, I don't think we're very far from 175 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 5: that this year. 176 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 4: No, No, And we'll dive into that coming up here 177 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 4: in just a bit, because I'm curious on it's almost 178 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:48,839 Speaker 4: of the who's who and the who's not, And I 179 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 4: don't think we're going to disagree on much when you're 180 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 4: looking at at the grand scheme of things from you know, 181 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 4: two thirds of the way of the season in. I mean, 182 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 4: there's just if there's even even just with the Chargers 183 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 4: on Monday Night, there are people believed in the Rams 184 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 4: as a possible team to sneak up in the NFC West. 185 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 4: That's not happening. And you have a bunch of teams 186 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:15,079 Speaker 4: in the NFC that are just like that team. Curious 187 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 4: on your thoughts of Saquon Barkley just since we're talking 188 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 4: about SOFI Stadium games at night, sure and where I 189 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 4: mean that performance for as great as it was, like 190 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 4: the totals were great, Like that's what you get when 191 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 4: you have like two seventy yard runs, you know. 192 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 5: What I mean, like kil Barry Sanders effect, Yeah, negative one, 193 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 5: negative one four zero zero minus three seventy five. 194 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 4: T Yeah, yeah, Like that's it's just kind of it 195 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 4: happens like that, so but truly amazing. 196 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 3: I mean, he won me a. 197 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:48,679 Speaker 4: Game in a league that I needed to win, so 198 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 4: I'm not complaining at all. But I mean, heck, he's 199 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 4: the one that's figured out a way to straighten out 200 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 4: Nick Sirianni, he and Kellen Moore. It's pretty crazy. 201 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 5: Well, in the end of feed the ball into the guys, gut, 202 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 5: good things are gonna happen behind that offensive line. I 203 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:05,959 Speaker 5: thought they did a really good job in the broadcast 204 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 5: of really highlighting what the offensive line did, which I 205 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 5: don't know that they do enough of a job of 206 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 5: celebrating guys on the offensive line as opposed to circling 207 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 5: a guy when something goes bad. Sure, right, this sack, well, 208 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 5: I'm gonna blame him because not that the quarterback held 209 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 5: the ball too long, not that he spun back into traffic. No, 210 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 5: the offensive lineman here. So we do that. But with 211 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:31,839 Speaker 5: the Eagles in the Sunday night game, I think they 212 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 5: did a really good job of highlighting all right, here's 213 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 5: the block, you know, five yards down the line of 214 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 5: scrimmage that ends up giving him the lane for I 215 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 5: forget which of the seventy yarders but the point just 216 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 5: being that, you know, they got their flowers a little 217 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 5: more and they're the key to anything they want to 218 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:51,839 Speaker 5: do there, which is why all the arguments about ah 219 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 5: if he was still in with the Giants, like he 220 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:56,559 Speaker 5: would have what he would have fallen forward because Andrew 221 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 5: Thomas is gone and the rest of that line stakes. 222 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, this is this is. 223 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 4: This is the funny thing about stuff like this, like 224 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 4: it truly happens because it's Sunday night football and we 225 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 4: get this in the NBA the whole time. 226 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 3: None of this is. 227 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 4: New news, and you see people coming out and being like, well, 228 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 4: Saquon wouldn't have done anything with the Giants. Yeah, you're 229 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 4: exactly right, You're one hundred percent correct, and they're correct. 230 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 4: And the fact of that's also what Joe Shane was 231 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 4: saying last year in paying Saquon Barkley, do you pay 232 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 4: him the thirteen million dollars or do you try to 233 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 4: figure out a way to maybe make things better around 234 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 4: Daniel Jones, Because if you have Daniel Jones and you 235 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:43,559 Speaker 4: have Saquon Barkley for the amount that you know they 236 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 4: were willing to pay him, they weren't going to be 237 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 4: able to do the things that they wanted to do 238 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 4: on the offensive line. So the Giants would have just 239 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 4: been who they are now in hindsight twenty twenty. Giants 240 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:55,680 Speaker 4: are a mess anyway. You talked about Andrew Thomas not 241 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 4: being there a huge piece of it. But that's the 242 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:01,719 Speaker 4: reason why Joe Shane didn't sign Saquon Barkley because he 243 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 4: knew Saquon Barkley wouldn't be Saquon Barkley not sucks for them. 244 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 4: Then he went to Philadelphia, But the Giants would have 245 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 4: been no better. And the only thing that would have 246 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 4: been different is maybe Philadelphia isn't this prolific right now, 247 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 4: But yeah, the Giants would have stunk anyway. 248 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, but I mean we'd seen the Eagles roll through 249 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 5: guys right by committee before and have success. Now we 250 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:24,559 Speaker 5: watched it all burned around while Sirianni played a fiddle. Maybe, 251 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 5: but the idea of being that, you know, with the Giants, 252 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:31,199 Speaker 5: what do we always we always talk about the NFL, 253 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 5: you bet on your quarterback. They decided Dable Jones year 254 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:38,439 Speaker 5: two is going to work, and then it wasn't great 255 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:40,679 Speaker 5: and he got hurt. But go back and look at 256 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 5: who the receivers were running out. They were the guys 257 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 5: they drafted six years prior who hadn't broken through. Yeah, 258 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 5: or everybody else was hurt this year, you actually get 259 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 5: a guy in neighbors and now he's someone's had to 260 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 5: sit him down and tell him what tanking really means. 261 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:58,680 Speaker 5: After his quotes following that no show effort this week 262 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 5: when he got no targets in the first half, Hey, like, 263 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 5: I know you want to win it all, but here's 264 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 5: the thing. You're too good, so we can't throw you 265 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 5: the foot. Like that's the hard reality that he's at. 266 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 5: But yeah, to your point, like, what in terms of 267 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 5: wins for the Giants, what would Saquon Barkley have been worth? 268 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 6: Do you guys buy the MVP talks then? With that 269 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 6: being the case, because people. 270 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 5: Are built that bandwagon a while ago, Smith and I 271 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 5: talked about that first, probably a month ago, just saying, 272 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 5: well why. 273 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 7: Not now it's a mainstream conversation now he went six 274 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 7: to one. 275 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, and I was I was more on the Derrick 276 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:43,359 Speaker 4: Henry train. It would be the same group think basically 277 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 4: for a running back taking that team to the next level. 278 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:51,679 Speaker 4: But so yeah, so to that point, Ian, I do 279 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 4: buy it having that sort of game on National TV. 280 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 4: Just I mean, it's just it's then it goes spreads 281 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 4: like wildfire. It's the one thing if he does that 282 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 4: at a one o'clock Eastern time kickoff, that's only you know, 283 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 4: to Philadelphia on parts of the East Coast, and if 284 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 4: they're playing the Falcons, it goes to the state of Georgia. 285 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 3: You know, that's one thing. 286 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 4: This everybody is seeing it, and everybody's seeing it in 287 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:16,839 Speaker 4: full display, and everybody can see the Giants hard knocks thing. 288 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 4: So so you take all those pieces together. But yeah, 289 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 4: I'll say this because Mike. You know, Mike mentioned this, 290 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 4: and I swear I said it on this podcast before 291 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 4: and it may have said it on the air. But 292 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 4: Mike's point about the other running backs they had, Yeah, 293 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 4: they had DeAndre Swift, they had Miles Sanders, they had 294 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 4: other guys, Sirianni still wouldn't you know, commit to the run. 295 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 4: So I kind of Gamewell and Boston Scott were getting 296 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 4: these runs and and Jalen Hurts is running the football 297 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 4: and they just they weren't that that complete of a 298 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 4: football team, and you needed someone with the I think 299 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 4: with the stature of Saquon Barkley to be like, because 300 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 4: you're crazy to not give him the ball. Yeah, absolutely, 301 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 4: freakish athlete, you're gonna give him the football. And I 302 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 4: also give credit to Kellen Moore, And in a way, 303 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 4: I give credit to Nick Siriani because Nick Sirianni's job 304 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 4: is on the line, and so you're kind of putting 305 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 4: it in the hands of Kellen Moore and Vic Fangio 306 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 4: to get your two units squared away after you lost 307 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 4: your coordinators two years ago after the Super Bowl run 308 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 4: and now it's working out. But he was on his back, 309 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 4: was against the wall. He kind of had uh, no 310 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 4: way to go but allow these people to come in. 311 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 4: And I guess kudos to that because it's worked with 312 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 4: Kellen Moore and say Kwan Barkley on the offensive side. 313 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 5: Let guys do their jobs as were and look, Jalen hurts. 314 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 5: There's plenty of discussions about him and whatever else. He 315 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 5: still gets fed because his beneficiary of all the brotherly shoves, push, push, 316 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 5: whatever term you want to use on it. But the 317 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 5: fact that you know, he's got to sublimate his ego 318 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 5: to a degree because he doesn't get to wing them 319 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 5: all around a lot. So there's a little bit of that, 320 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 5: like it's requiring a delicate balunce, lots of stuff and 321 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 5: thus far, Look, winning cures all ills, and all you 322 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 5: need is a two game losing streak and it all 323 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 5: burns down in Philly. 324 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 3: We know that, so you might get take it. 325 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 4: You're in on the talk, as he said, just you're 326 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 4: in your game for Sakwan Barkley being the MVP. 327 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 3: Yere in consideration. Sure. 328 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, and I like your Henry thing too, Like I 329 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 5: just a question of whether you know his was just 330 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 5: too early, but it at least opened the door to 331 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 5: a conversation. Yeah, because I think too often it's just 332 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 5: all right, here's the quarterback. I feel bad that Josh 333 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 5: Allen has gotten kind of pushed to the side in 334 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 5: this whole thing. Right, We've talked a lot about Lamar 335 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 5: Jackson coming into tonight. It's like, well, if Justin Herbert wins, 336 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 5: look how efficient he's been and the balance that they've established, 337 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 5: not that his numbers are overly gaudy, but if they 338 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 5: bait the Ravens in a Monday night standalone game, baut Brothers, 339 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 5: Horriball get over whatever, and he has one or two 340 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 5: big plays, then maybe you've got something there, like you 341 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 5: try to open the conversation, but Derreck Henry at least 342 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 5: opened the door to like, all right, and I hope 343 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 5: for people that actually vote on this damn thing, Like 344 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 5: that's the thing that you know is the biggest is remembering, yes, 345 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:14,160 Speaker 5: you have the crutch of the offensive player of the year, 346 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 5: but let's let's recognize we're great. Is great, and Saquon 347 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,880 Speaker 5: Barkley and Derreck Henry to this point, like for all 348 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 5: the love the Christian McCaffrey got, and again, it doesn't 349 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 5: translate to MVP votes. Again, it's stupid, right, It's like 350 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 5: it's almost like there's the invisible ink in the the 351 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 5: orders that you get. By the way, you have to 352 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 5: only vote for a quarterback. 353 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 4: Well, you know, Dereck Henry has two thousand yards in 354 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 4: a season and Aaron Rodgers wins the end, No, right, 355 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:47,399 Speaker 4: you know it kind of this is the and I 356 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 4: almost feel hypocritical in saying this, and I obviously don't 357 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 4: have an MVP vote, but it's almost like Derrick Henry 358 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:54,959 Speaker 4: and Saquon Barklay needed to go on to other teams 359 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 4: with great quarterbacks and to show their worth. But it's 360 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 4: really the opposite. It should have been the opposite, where like, Okay, 361 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:04,360 Speaker 4: if you're carrying Tennessee to you know, through that sort 362 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 4: of season, maybe you should get a little bit more 363 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 4: love than you know that you than you are getting 364 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:11,440 Speaker 4: right now. 365 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: Right. 366 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:14,679 Speaker 5: Yeah, you had the fact that you had to go 367 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:19,639 Speaker 5: to an already good team and make them consistently great. 368 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:22,959 Speaker 5: And again both still, I mean, Baltimore, Still, what's the 369 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 5: what do we do in January? 370 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 3: I don't know. 371 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I go, I'm just going to take the 372 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 4: last word on Saquon here. I Ian I believe that 373 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:32,360 Speaker 4: you you believe Saquon is an MVP candidate as well? 374 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 6: Yeah, I'd give it to Lamar, but I at least 375 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 6: think it's worth entertaining him in the conversation for sure. 376 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's totally fine. There was this is my last 377 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:44,880 Speaker 4: word on it. There was also no guarantee that Sequon 378 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:47,400 Speaker 4: was going to stay healthy. Sure, And that's the other 379 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 4: thing in this when you look at the history and 380 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 4: what the Giants had to deal with there is there 381 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 4: were seasons of injuries to deal with, and so to 382 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 4: think that he's doing what he's doing now and is 383 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 4: doing it full healthy is something that I think that 384 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 4: the Giants were skeptical on and I honestly I wouldn't 385 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 4: blame them. All right, let's take the time out. He's 386 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:11,200 Speaker 4: Mike Carmen, I'm Dan Byer. Ian Roddy's the executive producer. 387 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 4: So how many teams do legitimately have a shot at 388 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 4: winning Super Bowl? Fifty nine? Will whittle that number down? 389 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 4: Next here, and I want your flex hit Mike up 390 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 4: at Swollen Dome or Mike carmeron on Blue Sky. You 391 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 4: can find me at dan Byer on Fox on X 392 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 4: or Dan Byer on Blue Sky. 393 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 3: Ian, how's Blue Sky going for you? 394 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 7: How's a bad? 395 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 6: Interrupt you and say before you ask, I have not 396 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 6: made a Blue Sky. 397 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 3: I want to know, all right, but you can find 398 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 3: a minute. 399 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 4: Now. 400 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 5: Though we know Ian Roddy's taken, is there much motivation 401 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 5: to it? You know what, he's been demotivated. He's a 402 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 5: member of the New York Giants. 403 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:49,159 Speaker 2: Hey, it happens that's the third team. 404 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll about that. That's a whole other story for 405 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 4: another day. Let let's dive into this. We're doing a 406 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 4: little bit of a twist on a Thanksgiving week. How 407 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 4: many teams legitimately do you think can win the Super Bowl. Uh, 408 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 4: my number is six, Mike. How many do you have? 409 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 2: I have five? 410 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,160 Speaker 3: Five? Ian? How many do you have? 411 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 6: I only have two. Yeah, I think there's only two 412 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 6: teams that could win the Super Bowl as of right now. 413 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 4: All right, let's start out with your two teams to 414 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:21,880 Speaker 4: win the Super Bowl. 415 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:24,920 Speaker 6: Well, the first one is I feel like it's got 416 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 6: to be on everyone's list. The Detroit LIONSKA. Yeah, they're 417 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:30,920 Speaker 6: just an absolute wagon. No one can even come close 418 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 6: to beating them in recent weeks. So I think that's 419 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 6: pretty self explanatory. The defense has been on a tear. 420 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 6: The offense is the offense. You know, Ben Johnson has 421 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 6: been a top head coaching candidate every year for a 422 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:43,639 Speaker 6: good reason. And yeah, they're they're they's just a total 423 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 6: wagon right now. And then the other teams, the Philadelphia Eagles, 424 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 6: and it might be prisoner of the moment stuff, just 425 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 6: coming off that huge win over the Chargers, but. 426 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 7: Yeah, not the Chargers. The why am I blanking something? 427 00:20:57,520 --> 00:20:57,919 Speaker 7: Of course? 428 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 6: So seeing that, yeah, it's those two teams to me 429 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,439 Speaker 6: right now, there's just such a big gap between them 430 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 6: and everyone else. So I can't comfortably say that anyone 431 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 6: else can win the Shoal if they're not on the 432 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 6: level of those two teams. 433 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 4: Okay, that's that's that's fair enough, Mike. Are those two 434 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:16,679 Speaker 4: teams on your list of five, because they are on 435 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:17,880 Speaker 4: my list of six as well. 436 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, so those are my NFC. 437 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:24,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, here's my little worry about Detroit right now. Are 438 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 4: they peaking too soon? Sure, that's just my my only concern. 439 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:33,160 Speaker 4: And with a lot of football yet to be get 440 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 4: to be played, they do have stuff to play for. 441 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 3: These games are gonna matter. Things are gonna happen. 442 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 4: They've got to not only do they have to fend 443 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,640 Speaker 4: off the Eagles for the number one overall seed the division, 444 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:48,120 Speaker 4: by no means is a given right now, and there 445 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:51,879 Speaker 4: could still be a situation where as crazy as it sounds, 446 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:55,159 Speaker 4: and as dominant as they have been, they are two 447 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 4: or three bad weeks away from being a team that's 448 00:21:57,840 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 4: not going to play any home games during the playoffs. 449 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,919 Speaker 2: The fun looking at our good friends at Tankathon. 450 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 5: The rest of their schedule right worst schedule as in 451 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:12,160 Speaker 5: the hardest schedule Bears doesn't matter, and their easiest opponent 452 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 5: on their schedule of the six left is the forty 453 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 5: nine ers. Oh yeah, there you go in New England second, 454 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:24,400 Speaker 5: Cleveland third, and this is where it gets fun. Minnesota 455 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:32,680 Speaker 5: is fourth. You've got the Lions, Packers, Cardinals, Falcons, Seahawks, 456 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 5: and Bears. 457 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 2: Fifth is San Francisco. 458 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:38,880 Speaker 5: Trying to figure out what they are at this morent 459 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 5: They've got three on the tough side, three on the 460 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 5: easy side, and then you've got Detroit and green Bay 461 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:48,439 Speaker 5: are six and seven in terms of these rankings, with 462 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 5: winning percentages for Detroit of five ninety one and green 463 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 5: Bay five seventy six remaining. 464 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 4: The Lions do have games in hand on green Bay 465 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:01,879 Speaker 4: and Minnesota, but they also have to play those teams 466 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 4: you know, still down the stretch, and so that also 467 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 4: adds to their winning percentage and those again, and that's 468 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 4: the two to three game stretch that I talk about 469 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 4: with the Lions. For as great as things are right now, 470 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 4: it's not a given. And if you start to falter, 471 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,199 Speaker 4: then only do you lose your place on top in 472 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 4: your momentum, you're losing the division, you're losing home field, 473 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:27,680 Speaker 4: and next thing you know, you're in a wild card 474 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 4: in a funky bracket. In the NFC, Eagles not as 475 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 4: much because the Commanders lost this past weekend, there still 476 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 4: would be a fight for it. But yeah, I think 477 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,639 Speaker 4: that the Lions. That would be the one thing to 478 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:41,919 Speaker 4: worry me about the Lions. 479 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, I picked the Eagles before the season, so I'm 480 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 5: hopeful that I'm proving to get something right this year. 481 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 5: Did you have any other NFC teams in your bracket there, Dan, I. 482 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,680 Speaker 3: Did, okay? One? Okay, green Bay? 483 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,679 Speaker 5: You got green Bay? Okay, Yeah, they were in that 484 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 5: next tier. Trying to decide for me between in Minnesota 485 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 5: as how much I believe in them. 486 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 3: You want to know why I put green Bay there? 487 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 4: The reason I put Green Bays Jordan Love has got 488 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 4: an interception problem, but what Josh Jacobs was able to 489 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 4: do this past week against San Francisco, I think bodes 490 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 4: really well offensively, and Christian Watson just catched the football. 491 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 4: I know Dobbs is dinged up. That hurts. But I 492 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 4: feel like Green Bay is the team that you don't 493 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:30,639 Speaker 4: want to see come to town, and we saw what 494 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:32,920 Speaker 4: happened last year. They go to Dallas and do the thing. 495 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 4: I almost think that they would relish that role and 496 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 4: be better suited around at this time. Maybe a couple 497 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:43,399 Speaker 4: of questions on their defense, but they've also had Xavier 498 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,160 Speaker 4: McKinney has been one of the best free agent signings 499 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 4: in all of football for them, So I'm still putting 500 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 4: Green Bay in that list of NFC teams. 501 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, the love interception problem problem you allude to is 502 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 5: the one that because it's the same thing I keep 503 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:01,440 Speaker 5: waiting to happen in Minnesota because I like Minnesota a lot. 504 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 5: But I'm sitting there going, do I really think Sam 505 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:05,120 Speaker 5: Darnold's getting to the promised Land? 506 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 3: Yeah? 507 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 5: Right, Like it's just that kind of thing, and it's 508 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 5: not I have no animosity towards the man. I just 509 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 5: look at it going, it's a fun story. And at 510 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 5: this point we're in week thirteen, still hasn't fallen off 511 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 5: the rail. Steady as they go, and you know, if 512 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 5: Addison becomes a more consistent threat, who knows. 513 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, I've missed Judd. 514 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 4: Right when I started believing in the Vikings, they faltered, 515 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:31,680 Speaker 4: so then I sold my stock and not only keep 516 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 4: winning games like they did against your Bears this past weekend. 517 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,639 Speaker 4: So I just don't think they consistently can consistently do that. 518 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 4: I believe in Jordan Love more than Sam Dark. 519 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:42,679 Speaker 5: Yeah, there's only so many times you're going to be 520 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 5: able to ebor flu somebody. 521 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,360 Speaker 4: All right, Ian didn't have any AFC teams, Mike, I'm 522 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 4: guessing that's where your three come from. 523 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, I've got three there. We've got obviously to be 524 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 5: the man. You gotta beat the man in Kansas City. 525 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:59,399 Speaker 5: Until you execute them, they're hanging around to crush you. 526 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 5: I picked the Bills before the season, still alive. I 527 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 5: had a Buffalo Philadelphia super Bowl and damn it, I 528 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 5: still hold out hope. And then third, I've got the 529 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:14,639 Speaker 5: Ravens and just that defense leaves me with great pause 530 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 5: from time to time. But as long as Roquan Smith's out, 531 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 5: not out for a long period of time, because the 532 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,440 Speaker 5: fact that he missed the Monday night football against the Chargers, 533 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,239 Speaker 5: missed that game leaves me a little concerned that this 534 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 5: might be a bigger issue because this was a pretty 535 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:35,640 Speaker 5: big spot for both teams, I thought, even with the 536 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 5: Steelers having lost to the Browns on Thursday Night football. 537 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,119 Speaker 5: But you know, he's a guy that's so instrumental. What 538 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,359 Speaker 5: do you have one hundred and ten tackles and a 539 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,920 Speaker 5: bunch for laws and whatever all of those things. So 540 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 5: his health certainly pair him out, but right now they 541 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 5: would be the third team into that mix. Wondering if, 542 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 5: based on our prior conversation, Henry's good enough to get 543 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:57,200 Speaker 5: them over. 544 00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, those are my three. 545 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 4: And do you have any problem even though they weren't 546 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,920 Speaker 4: in your top two with any of those teams under 547 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 4: consideration to be added to your your final two. 548 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:12,880 Speaker 6: They're all in consideration because they're they're good teams, you know, So, yeah, 549 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:14,879 Speaker 6: none of them are totally elimited. I just feel like 550 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 6: the fact that there's in my mind, there's such a 551 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,919 Speaker 6: big gap between the Lions and the and the Eagles, 552 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 6: and I just. 553 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,360 Speaker 2: Like that he just said blank the AFC. 554 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 6: That's right, Yeah, exactly, But no, we're picking the top 555 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,919 Speaker 6: like who I actually think has a legitimate chance, And 556 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,360 Speaker 6: I don't think any AFC team has a legitimate chance 557 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,640 Speaker 6: of beating either of those teams as things look right now. 558 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 4: So I think when you're Kansas City, you they get 559 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 4: the benefit of the doubt that any game that they're 560 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 4: in you think they can win. 561 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 7: It's true. 562 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,119 Speaker 6: I just when you look at each of these different teams, 563 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 6: like Kansas City, like Green Bay, there's just always one 564 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,199 Speaker 6: little thing that you can point to, you know, like 565 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,920 Speaker 6: Green Bay, like they don't really have a number one 566 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,359 Speaker 6: superstar receiver that you can point to. The Ravens, like 567 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,399 Speaker 6: Mike said, the defense is a little concerning. There's just 568 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,399 Speaker 6: little things with these teams that you can point to, 569 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,119 Speaker 6: whereas with the Lions and Eagles. To me, there's just 570 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 6: no weakness. 571 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, I will there's a weakness, but it's just not 572 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 4: showing itself fair I would say, yeah, that's the Chief's 573 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 4: biggest margin. The largest margin of victor this year is 574 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 4: thirteen points in a game against the Saints that I 575 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 4: think they may have scored late. Maybe I'm wrong about it, 576 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 4: but their only other double digit win was against San 577 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 4: Francisco this year. So with all of those wins and 578 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 4: then needing the last second game again, that last second 579 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 4: kick against the Panthers, you know, one of the league's worst, 580 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 4: just as you questioning, you know how things are playing out. 581 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 4: So they beat the Saints comfortably. There wasn't a late 582 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 4: touchdown to make it thirteen the double check. But I 583 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 4: get the concern about the Chiefs. The reason why I 584 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 4: put the Chiefs in there is actually the reason why 585 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 4: I didn't put the Steelers in is every time I 586 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 4: look at Kansas City and if I were to put 587 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,479 Speaker 4: them up against any of the teams, I think they 588 00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 4: could win. I don't think I can do that with Pitch. 589 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 4: I think what they've done so far this year could 590 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 4: warrant it. But I just don't see them going through 591 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 4: this gauntlet of teams in the AFC and being able 592 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 4: to come out unscathed. Like at some point offensively, I 593 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 4: think it's going to catch up with them, and that's 594 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 4: why I was reluctant to put Pittsburgh. 595 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 3: On this list. 596 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, curiosity for me going back to Detroit being one 597 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 5: of the main pieces to it all. You brought up 598 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:26,480 Speaker 5: the idea of peaking to early. 599 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 3: Dan. 600 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 5: The thing for me is we haven't seen them in 601 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 5: a close game in a long time. I mean, we 602 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 5: had the Houston game. I guess that's the outlier in 603 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 5: the last since their bye week, Right, they beat the 604 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 5: Seahawks forty two twenty nine, go to their bye week, 605 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 5: come out throttle Dallas and roll through Wedn's Dan Campbell 606 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 5: going to Dan Campbell again because we had it with 607 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 5: Baltimore today or I should say Monday night for those listening, 608 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 5: Tuesday Wednesday, whenever is recording obviously after the game when 609 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 5: John Harbaugh went for it on his own six team, right, 610 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 5: no guts, no glory. Okay, they go down and they 611 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 5: score ninety three yard touchdown drive. That was the forty 612 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 5: yard touchdown pass to Bateman. He doesn't get that. The 613 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 5: hell's that game look like? Right again, gutsy crazy. It's 614 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 5: almost like the spirit of Brandon Staley inhabited him for 615 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 5: a moment. Yeah, but you know, it's those kind of things. 616 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 5: And you know that's been the one question of Campbell. 617 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 5: As great and as much as you may love the 618 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 5: gutsy you know, hey, take no prisoners, bite kneecaps kind 619 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 5: of thing. Last year man, I didn't have any issue 620 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 5: with it. It's like, that's who you decided you are. 621 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 5: You can be consistent and just execute. And you know 622 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 5: they had the place made if the guy actually catches 623 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 5: the ball. But but you know, wondering if that doesn't 624 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 5: go asunder again in a big spot against the Green 625 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 5: Bay or against one of the r other playoff competitors. 626 00:30:58,760 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 2: When it's all said and done. 627 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 4: The Bills are in an interesting spot because they've got 628 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 4: a interesting slew of games with the Niners coming up 629 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 4: and then the Rams and Lions, and then you have 630 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 4: your Patriots Jets Patriots sandwich to end to end the year. 631 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 4: That's some delicious AFC East meat right there. But again 632 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 4: we talked about it. There are four games up on 633 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 4: the Dolphins with the sweep, so basically they're five games 634 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 4: up and you do want bigger fish to fry. They 635 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 4: have a win over Kansas That will win over Kansas City, 636 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 4: which really helps if you can get some help elsewhere 637 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,880 Speaker 4: to stay motivated. But if the Bills drop one of 638 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 4: these three games here and you're sitting there hoping for 639 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 4: Kansas City to end up falling along the way, I 640 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 4: just don't know what Buffalo's going to have to play 641 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 4: for the final three weeks of the season. Like it's 642 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 4: you know, I just it's it's almost then you're having 643 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,080 Speaker 4: a month to figure out a way to stay motivated. 644 00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 3: I just wonder how you handle that. It. 645 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,440 Speaker 4: Plus, I don't think they're great, Like I don't. I 646 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,840 Speaker 4: would if Baltimore played at Buffalo. I would take Baltimore 647 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 4: in that game. And I'm sure it's recency buys and 648 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 4: seeing what they did tonight against the Chargers, but yeah, 649 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 4: I would, And I'll tell you what. I don't know 650 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 4: if I would have put the Texans in this group 651 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 4: three weeks ago, but they definitely are not there now 652 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 4: and they not under consideration at all. 653 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 3: Three weeks ago. I maybe would have thought about it, 654 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 3: but not in this group. 655 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, the old monkey song was I'm a believer. I was. 656 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 2: I was a disbeliever. I was walking through the other door. 657 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 5: I always thought the offensive line would come back to 658 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 5: bite them. 659 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, it was good last year. It's not this year. 660 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 4: I don't know what the deal is, but. 661 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, and as we talked about, right, it's the I'd 662 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 5: love to sit down with the panel esteam panel of 663 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 5: former quarterbacks and offensive linemen and just say, all right, 664 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 5: let's go to the blame pie and decide what percentages 665 00:32:56,080 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 5: on Stroud holding the ball too long or the defensive 666 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 5: line slash running back not chipping or taking care of it. 667 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 4: Yeah it is, Yeah, he hasn't necessarily looked the same Stroud. 668 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 4: It has at times. Right, sometimes I think it's pressing 669 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 4: to do too much. And we've seen that happens in 670 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 4: young quarterbacks. Maybe a Jordan love thing. But yeah, yeah, 671 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 4: it's just it's not the ingredients aren't there for Houston. 672 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:25,080 Speaker 3: This year. 673 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 4: Maybe in the upcoming years, but not there for twenty 674 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 4: twenty four into twenty twenty five. All right, he is 675 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,479 Speaker 4: Mike Carmen, that's Ian Roddy. I'm Dan Beyer. Now we're 676 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 4: going to get to your Week thirteen. Interesting week, by 677 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 4: the way for the pod. Because of the Thanksgiving Holiday, 678 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 4: our episode that's going to come out on Wednesday will 679 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 4: actually be our usual Friday episode with rankings and Mike's 680 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,280 Speaker 4: hot plays and cold soares and the whole deal. So 681 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 4: just two episodes this week just because of the Thanksgiving holiday. 682 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 4: But hey, then we get to talk about Thanksgiving games. 683 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 4: Are there any waiver wire pickups from those Turkey games 684 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 4: coming up on Thursday? Or the Black Friday game between 685 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,240 Speaker 4: the Raiders and Jeeves. We'll talk about a next tier 686 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 4: and I Want your Flex Welcome back to I Want 687 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,400 Speaker 4: Your Flex hit Mike up at Swollen Dome and Mike 688 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,680 Speaker 4: Carmon on Blue Sky. I'm at Dan Byer on Fox 689 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,880 Speaker 4: on X and Dan Byer on Blue Skuy. Ian Roddy 690 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:17,600 Speaker 4: is here only on X at Ian Roddy Underscore scoreboard 691 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,480 Speaker 4: time Before we get to Mike's waiver Wire pickups, Guys, 692 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,200 Speaker 4: as much as I loved my points of Palooza turning 693 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 4: out to be the Titans and Dexans. I couldn't have 694 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 4: been more wrong about my survivor pick. I was just saying, 695 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,600 Speaker 4: don't pick the Dolphins. That was the only thing I 696 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 4: was saying. I wasn't saying to pick the Patriots. I 697 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 4: was just saying, don't pick Miami as your survivor pick 698 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,960 Speaker 4: this week. And it failed miserably. My Oasis song some 699 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:46,840 Speaker 4: might say, some might say Anthony Richardson didn't have any talent. 700 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 4: Those people would be wrong. But I'll tell you what, 701 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,080 Speaker 4: Anthony Richardson also had no touchdowns on Sunday. 702 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 3: So that was a fail for me. Guys missed out 703 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 3: on that one. 704 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,239 Speaker 5: Mixed bag for me. Quarterback position seems to be where 705 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 5: I've found some great success most of the year. Week twelve, 706 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,279 Speaker 5: we had our highlights, for sure. We we pointed out 707 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:11,920 Speaker 5: some of the the lows along the way, certainly in 708 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 5: terms of what we were able to accomplish. 709 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:21,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, up there at number two eight in the end zone. Again, 710 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:22,160 Speaker 3: he was your number one. 711 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 2: He just keeps finding the end zone. 712 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:25,799 Speaker 3: Yeah he does, he absolutely does. 713 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:30,040 Speaker 5: So I'll take those little victories along the way. But yeah, 714 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,720 Speaker 5: I mean, look, we got our touchdown from Gus Edwards 715 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:36,520 Speaker 5: as a ninja, just thinking that we'd have a smash down, 716 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:41,239 Speaker 5: you know, smash situation of those two teams just trying 717 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 5: to beat each other up, brotherly love as it were. 718 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,760 Speaker 5: But yeah, it's just just a weird week once again, 719 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 5: like every week, it would come wringing our hands going wow, 720 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,240 Speaker 5: that played to form. Like you guys were talking about, 721 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,280 Speaker 5: you know, some of your fantasy finishes for this week 722 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,719 Speaker 5: and said, like Josh Jacobs was a got three touchdowns 723 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,400 Speaker 5: and a twenty eight point performance. 724 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,319 Speaker 2: I got that wrong. I'll share that one. 725 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:11,240 Speaker 5: Tony Pollard finishing as the fifth running back. No, didn't 726 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,160 Speaker 5: see it. Thought they'd win the game, but didn't think 727 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,880 Speaker 5: it was gonna be him getting it done. Yeah, I 728 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,080 Speaker 5: went upset minded and picked. So I think it bled 729 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,040 Speaker 5: down to the fantasy realm in terms of some of 730 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 5: the way things played out. 731 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:29,040 Speaker 4: Well, our only saving grace is Ian Roddy streaming defenses here. 732 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,919 Speaker 4: You going, how did your defense is do in week twelve? 733 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:33,799 Speaker 6: Yes, so we had one that was very good and 734 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,440 Speaker 6: one that was it was okay. So I came to 735 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 6: you guys with the Bucks and the Commanders as the 736 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,760 Speaker 6: two streaming defenses last week, We'll start with the Commanders, 737 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,000 Speaker 6: who finished with four points. 738 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,360 Speaker 7: So you know that was okay, not a failure of 739 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:46,879 Speaker 7: now what. 740 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:48,960 Speaker 3: You were hoping though against Cooper Rush. 741 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:49,680 Speaker 7: No, definitely not. 742 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:51,799 Speaker 6: You know, going up against Cooper Rush, we did not 743 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:53,880 Speaker 6: expect them to allow thirty four. 744 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,160 Speaker 7: Points like they did. That was a little disappointing. 745 00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,439 Speaker 6: They did get one sack and a fumble recovery, which 746 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,160 Speaker 6: you know got you to four points, but overall not great. 747 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,040 Speaker 6: The Bucks, though, the Bucks defense was really good. They 748 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:05,960 Speaker 6: got you eleven points, so you know, it's not some 749 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,800 Speaker 6: world beating performance, but that's a good performance out of 750 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,280 Speaker 6: a streaming defense. Especially they had four sacks of fumble 751 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,200 Speaker 6: recovery and only allowed seven points. So well done to 752 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:16,880 Speaker 6: the Buccaneers. 753 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,120 Speaker 4: All right, kudos to Ian Rodney on that one. Now 754 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,960 Speaker 4: it's time to maybe get some new blood in your lineup, 755 00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:26,040 Speaker 4: or because your lineup is full of blood, you need 756 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,480 Speaker 4: to clean that up and get some new players. Mike Carmon, 757 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,320 Speaker 4: who your waiver wire pickups heading into Week thirteen? 758 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,040 Speaker 5: Well, last man standing in Las Vegas, even with a 759 00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:40,240 Speaker 5: date against the Kansas City Chiefs on Friday. Amre Abdullah 760 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:44,759 Speaker 5: veteran running back, seventeen point performance. Someone's got to touch 761 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:48,560 Speaker 5: the ball, So there you go, and Desmond Ritter can 762 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:52,280 Speaker 5: do a two step right as the last man standing 763 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:56,399 Speaker 5: in that one. So we'll look for Abdullah to get 764 00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,400 Speaker 5: us a little bit of run. We know Jeremy McNichols 765 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:03,200 Speaker 5: found is way into our hearts. Gus Edwards nine carries 766 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:07,040 Speaker 5: eleven yards, but we have no idea how hurt Dobbins 767 00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,000 Speaker 5: is going to be next up the Atlanta Falcons, So 768 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:15,080 Speaker 5: an opportunity there you're looking at. Algier still remains on 769 00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:18,440 Speaker 5: the waiver wire list. Again, we'll see if the Chargers 770 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,439 Speaker 5: bounce back after getting run over a little bit by 771 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:25,080 Speaker 5: the Ravens. But the workload split certainly there. And we 772 00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,200 Speaker 5: saw a little more of Trey Benson rough day for 773 00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:31,480 Speaker 5: Connor and Arizona. I mean you watched it, Dan, I 774 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,719 Speaker 5: mean against your Seahawks. Did you see that defensive performance coming? 775 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,239 Speaker 3: No, and all Arizona did it was just dump it 776 00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:39,280 Speaker 3: off to Trey McBride. 777 00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, like that's a twenty five point performance for him. 778 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:44,840 Speaker 3: So yeah, like that was it? Like it was yeah, No, 779 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:45,200 Speaker 3: I did that. 780 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:49,200 Speaker 5: And then obviously the most confusing what the hell kind 781 00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:52,400 Speaker 5: of interception was that from Kyler Murray in recent memory. 782 00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:55,040 Speaker 2: He's not nine feet tall. 783 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,520 Speaker 3: Man, Hey, I'll take it. I'll take it. 784 00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,399 Speaker 5: Obviously, you'll take it. Yeah, coming out of a week 785 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,839 Speaker 5: that was your game plan. Good job by you. The continuance. 786 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,840 Speaker 5: How about Cooper rush for Thanksgiving Day against the Giants? 787 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:10,319 Speaker 5: They've quit sure, and this was the first time that 788 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,520 Speaker 5: the Cowboys actually showed a sign of life. Is this 789 00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:15,520 Speaker 5: one where they just agree to shake hands? And then 790 00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,279 Speaker 5: Lany Wilson does a full concert instead of playing a 791 00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:18,959 Speaker 5: football game. 792 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:23,520 Speaker 3: I don't know, stay for the football after the concert. 793 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:27,400 Speaker 5: There you go, right, So we got that, Derek Carr 794 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:29,760 Speaker 5: a little bit of a price shot going up against 795 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:33,440 Speaker 5: the Rams. Russell Wilson's still available in about two thirds 796 00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,520 Speaker 5: of leagues against Cincinnati, that can't stop three of us 797 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,440 Speaker 5: and eight of our friends, like we're playing Thanksgiving Day 798 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,440 Speaker 5: football in the backyard. And then Drake may who's been 799 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:47,439 Speaker 5: impressive going up against Indianapolis, a bit of an opportunity 800 00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,080 Speaker 5: for him as well. If you're looking for help at 801 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,000 Speaker 5: wide receiver, this is where it gets a little dice here, 802 00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:56,520 Speaker 5: because we're trying to find the proverbial needle in the haystack, 803 00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,840 Speaker 5: but we've seen more targets for Noah Brown out of 804 00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:05,399 Speaker 5: the Xavier Legette is interesting. Bryce Young started to play 805 00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,240 Speaker 5: some pretty good football. Was a loss against New England, 806 00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:11,399 Speaker 5: but there seems to be something cooking there. Talk about 807 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:16,640 Speaker 5: the backfield and fighting that one off. Westbrook Akine found 808 00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,440 Speaker 5: the end zone again again it's. 809 00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,800 Speaker 3: Boom or bust. Hey, yeah, I did. 810 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,040 Speaker 5: Good for you. Yeah, so you got over on that one. 811 00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:29,360 Speaker 5: And then quickly the tight ends we keep seeing a 812 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:34,200 Speaker 5: little more Noah Gray again boom bust potential there, and 813 00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:38,440 Speaker 5: then zach Ertz still unowned in nearly half of league's 814 00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:42,200 Speaker 5: target counts big enough that he should at least be rostered, 815 00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,839 Speaker 5: because remember, you got another bikop By apocalypse coming in 816 00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:49,759 Speaker 5: week fourteen. No everybody plays this week, but then week 817 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:55,040 Speaker 5: fourteen we get another one of these sixteen buys. 818 00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:55,760 Speaker 3: So ridiculous by the National Football League. 819 00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:58,840 Speaker 4: Just get these things should be over with by now, 820 00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,800 Speaker 4: Like there's no point to have buys for the final 821 00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,560 Speaker 4: you're starting right now, just head into Thanksgiving and be like, 822 00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,120 Speaker 4: all right, this is our stretchern this is what we're 823 00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:12,279 Speaker 4: gonna deal with. But for some reason I mean there, it's. 824 00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:16,160 Speaker 5: Well, what would we start week four or week five? 825 00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:20,880 Speaker 5: I mean, so team's got a buy right away. Okay, 826 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,280 Speaker 5: maybe you have some triage and you stop the bleeding, 827 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,840 Speaker 5: But tell me you don't need it week twelve or 828 00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:29,280 Speaker 5: week fourteen, that that's not a decided advantage for some squads. 829 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,440 Speaker 4: Again, we had a week eight where there were no 830 00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,320 Speaker 4: teams on buye Right, it's back to in the middle 831 00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,640 Speaker 4: of what you would think would be a great time 832 00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,480 Speaker 4: to have buys. I mean, for an eighteen game schedule. 833 00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,160 Speaker 4: If you wanted to have buys on weeks eight, nine, ten, 834 00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:45,000 Speaker 4: and eleven, have eight teams on bye each week and 835 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:46,880 Speaker 4: get it over with, fine by me. 836 00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:47,759 Speaker 3: You know. 837 00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,760 Speaker 4: That's that's how I think it should be be more equitable. 838 00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:54,080 Speaker 2: If anything else, why would those TV windows Dan? 839 00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:59,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, those TV windows? And now with the more international 840 00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,000 Speaker 4: games and we're seeing them earlier in the season, you know, 841 00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:06,520 Speaker 4: I just yeah, I don't know. That's the NFL. We 842 00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,200 Speaker 4: figure it out for another day. All right, there's your 843 00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,279 Speaker 4: waiver wire again. We're going to be back for a 844 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,960 Speaker 4: new episode coming up on Wednesday. With all of Mike's 845 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,440 Speaker 4: rankings that get you set for again a full sixteen 846 00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,040 Speaker 4: game Week thirteen. 847 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:21,560 Speaker 3: In the National Football League. 848 00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:24,160 Speaker 4: A lot of trade deadlines in fantasy leagues if it 849 00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,000 Speaker 4: hasn't already come up, Mike, so something that we can 850 00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,919 Speaker 4: prepare for as well. Any final thoughts as we wrap 851 00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:30,920 Speaker 4: up this podcast. 852 00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:36,279 Speaker 5: I'm looking forward to this coming week. It's obviously a 853 00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,640 Speaker 5: mutant when we get the three on Thursday. So when 854 00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:43,680 Speaker 5: it comes to injury reports and such, you gotta know 855 00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,000 Speaker 5: wing in a prayer if you're making those decisions on 856 00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,400 Speaker 5: your roster. This is one of the toughest weeks of 857 00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,640 Speaker 5: the year, not only because the trip to fan induced 858 00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:54,600 Speaker 5: sleep comas the amount of time you're spending with family 859 00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,320 Speaker 5: as opposed to a fixed to your phone or computer, 860 00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,399 Speaker 5: but the bigger thing of just trying to decide, Hey, 861 00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,240 Speaker 5: am I starting to go on Thursday because I really 862 00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:06,040 Speaker 5: need to start him? Or because I'm sitting down and 863 00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:10,879 Speaker 5: I'm trying to entertain myself while watching I don't know, Giants, Cowboys. 864 00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,759 Speaker 4: I've I've got a quick PSA. It's because I got 865 00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,839 Speaker 4: to wrap it up. Don't quit on your league. No, 866 00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,359 Speaker 4: don't quit on your league. If you're out of it 867 00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,279 Speaker 4: right now and you have a trade deadline and you're 868 00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,120 Speaker 4: in a keeper league and you get trade for picks, 869 00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,200 Speaker 4: that's all fine and dandy, But just don't put up 870 00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:31,839 Speaker 4: crappy lineups. At least make them competitive. It's all that 871 00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:35,440 Speaker 4: anybody asks for in fantasy football. I understand that you 872 00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,200 Speaker 4: know you may want to unload some guys and if 873 00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:38,600 Speaker 4: things aren't well, maybe you don't have a lot of 874 00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:39,799 Speaker 4: guys anyway, and you're like, I'll just. 875 00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:40,840 Speaker 3: Get rid of my good ones. 876 00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:45,560 Speaker 4: Still try to be competitive and put a reasonable lineup. Look, 877 00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,239 Speaker 4: not even we're not asking you to put an all 878 00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:49,600 Speaker 4: pro fantasy team together. 879 00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,040 Speaker 3: Just don't quit on the league so it makes it 880 00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:53,000 Speaker 3: bad for everyone else. 881 00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:57,120 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, be the net, be play spoiler. Sure you 882 00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:59,120 Speaker 5: can still screw over your workmates. 883 00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,800 Speaker 2: Come on now and family members and friends. 884 00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:05,480 Speaker 6: The USC Trojans this weekend are facing Notre Dame and 885 00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:07,400 Speaker 6: they're going to try to upset Notre Dame to get 886 00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,120 Speaker 6: them out of the college football playoff hopes. That's what 887 00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:11,680 Speaker 6: you need to be as a fantasy owner. 888 00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,640 Speaker 2: Here some motivation, that's right. 889 00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:19,560 Speaker 4: It's the littlest It takes the littlest amount of effort. 890 00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,680 Speaker 4: Just don't quit. That's my PSA for the week. 891 00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:24,879 Speaker 2: There, you go, just try, all right. 892 00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,239 Speaker 4: Well, we'll be back with a new episode of I 893 00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,680 Speaker 4: Want Your Flex coming up on Wednesday. 894 00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,400 Speaker 3: And then yeah, I get you set for those Thanksgiving Day. 895 00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:35,719 Speaker 4: Games and Black Friday and so much more so for Ian, 896 00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,080 Speaker 4: Roddy and Mike Karmen. I'm Dan Pyre. It's been fun. 897 00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:39,960 Speaker 4: We'll talk to you again soon here and I Want 898 00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:40,400 Speaker 4: Your Flex