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Speaker 2: All right, Dan, the draft is over. We are officially

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Speaker 2: is the day we need to sink our teeth into

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Speaker 2: some of these way too early lists that are floating about.

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Speaker 2: If you're anywhere online, float about, we cannot put it

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Speaker 2: My good friend, how are you today?

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Speaker 1: I'm good. It's it's officially post spring. The you know,

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Speaker 1: the two major programs we were waiting on, Oregon and

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Speaker 1: know how closely you were watching either one of those games. Obviously, emotionally,

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Speaker 1: You were like the celebrity coach, you were the honorary captain.

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Speaker 2: Well, I was the one that broke the news that

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Speaker 2: Bill and Mary William and Marry is going to be

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Speaker 2: integrated into the Thank you yeah, integrated into the Patriot League.

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Speaker 2: So Bill and Mary going to be joining that drum

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Speaker 1: Long twenty six, I think twenty twenty six, Bill and

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Speaker 1: everybody involved in that. No, it's post spring. It's officially

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Speaker 1: it was a spring game. And it is post draft.

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Speaker 1: The twenty twenty five NFL Draft is officially now in

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Speaker 1: our rear view mirror. Do you have you're a Giants fan,

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Speaker 1: a Penn State fan, a Notre Dame fan, a fan

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Speaker 1: en fellows valuing certain players that you're going to be

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Speaker 1: sad to see go, Like, what are your takeaways from

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Speaker 2: I think the guy who did the prank calls is

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Speaker 2: a loser, total loser, yep, and he deserves whatever kind

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Speaker 1: I couldn't. So it was he found phone numbers on

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Speaker 1: an open iPad. This is the son of the Falcons

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Speaker 1: defensive coordinator, Jeff Ulbrick. Yes, so there was some sort

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Speaker 1: I know it was Shador and Tyler Warren. Was there

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Speaker 2: Maybe there might have been some others from what I saw,

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Speaker 2: But my lingering takeaway is whoever did that, I don't

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Speaker 2: know what his First he's a loser for doing that. Secondly,

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Speaker 2: I am thrilled with what the Giants did. The Giants

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Speaker 2: drafted a bunch of lunatics essentially. All right, we know

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Speaker 2: about Abdull Carter playing hurt. He asked for permission to

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Speaker 2: use LT's number fifty six. I don't know where that stands,

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Speaker 2: but you've got to have confidence and you've got to

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Speaker 1: So I love that. Only open mouths get fed. Ty

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Speaker 2: Jackson Dart's been my guy all along. I am thrilled

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Speaker 2: they went up to get him. I love getting Cam Scataboo.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of lunatics, Cam Skataboo is like the thunder in

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm always happy when Oregon players get drafted. I

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Speaker 2: And it was so so bad that and this we're

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Speaker 2: But just to get this off my chest, it was

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Speaker 1: You know, Oh, he liked Shador more than cam Ward

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there is a fine line between making it a spectacle,

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Speaker 2: Well, his line was that the NFL has been clueless

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Speaker 2: of they have their own track records. They're an unseerious place. Yes,

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Speaker 1: That might be a health thing, you know. Obviously his

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Speaker 2: He wanted to go pro. That was his decision to make.

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Speaker 1: And for a lot of these guys, they want to

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Speaker 1: that second contract comes sooner. In a physically risky game,

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Speaker 1: it comes sooner. Next year is a loaded class, a

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Speaker 2: we can get through into this list a little bit later. Actually,

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Speaker 2: it's a perfect segue the two things that we're talking

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Speaker 2: I wanted to start there because I think that's something that.

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Speaker 1: Post spring post spring really Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the fine people of the verballer hood can absolutely

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Speaker 2: what it means and returning production and schedules, and who

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Speaker 2: we think Andy is right or wrong about. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: No. I saw him Friday night for dinner, got some

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Speaker 1: pizza and Milwaukee wonderful. Did you get your cheese from Mari?

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Speaker 2: Sure you facetimed with him or with his phone? Oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: what was that circumstance I faced?

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Speaker 1: So Ari facetimed me from the creamery to verify that

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Speaker 2: Okay, so we're going to get into that top twenty

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Speaker 2: five from Andy and then we're going to close this out.

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Speaker 2: Just put a bow on this way too early episode.

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Speaker 2: Our good friends over at PFF did put together their

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Speaker 2: way too early big board, their way too early mock

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Speaker 2: draft for twenty twenty six. So maybe at that point

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Speaker 2: we can talk through what next year's quarterback class looks like.

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Speaker 2: It does look to be a much better quarterback class, So.

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Speaker 1: It's what premature a draft eulation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, technically we could go there if you want to here.

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Speaker 1: I'm okay with it. I stand by it. Don't edit

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Speaker 1: that out if you say that again.

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Speaker 2: I'm just going to play this.

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Speaker 1: Not talking about this, ah, go heels, go heels, Not

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Speaker 1: talking about this? What a sixty it was not sixty minutes.

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Speaker 1: Bill Belichick. Not talking about this with I don't like that.

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Speaker 1: I know her name. It's Jordan Hudson, right, that's correct,

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Speaker 2: So here's what Andy did. Andy put together his way

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Speaker 2: And what I like about Clemson and why I like

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Speaker 1: I think they're better than LSU. We got to be

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Speaker 1: Penn State's fascinating. Obviously they also make a change at

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Speaker 1: defensive coordinator, but I'm paying a lot of money to

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Speaker 1: do so. Drew Aller is. You know, he's not as

435
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Speaker 1: bad as what he was to finish out the year.

436
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Speaker 1: His upside is good. They made what they had Trevor

437
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Speaker 1: Pana from Syracuse this past weekend, so you're upgrading receiver.

438
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Speaker 1: It's now just a matter of like, can this passing

439
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Speaker 1: game show out in the biggest games on this schedule?

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Speaker 1: They have nobody before Oregon. It's like FIU, Nevada and Villanova,

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Speaker 1: I believe, is what I remember from looking up this morning.

442
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Speaker 1: So we won't know exactly what this defense is until

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Speaker 1: that Oregon game. But obviously that's a defensive coordinator in

444
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Speaker 1: Sir Blitz a lot that prepared for this Oregon team

445
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Speaker 1: twice last year and one of the times did great.

446
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Speaker 1: And the run of quarterbacks that this defense without some

447
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Speaker 1: star power on each of these three levels from last season,

448
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Speaker 1: It's a run of fascinating narrative quarterbacks. It's like transfer

449
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Speaker 1: from UCLA and Dante Moore to Oregon. It's Nico at Ucla,

450
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Speaker 1: it's Preston Stone now at Northwestern. It's Mark gon Rowski

451
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Speaker 1: FCS quarterback at Iowa. It's still in Ryol at Nebraska.

452
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Speaker 1: It's Aidan Childs at Michigan State. There's a lot of

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Speaker 1: fascinating names on this Penn State schedule at quarterback, and

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Speaker 1: so to me, I understand given the continuity, do they

455
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Speaker 1: have the best running back duo in the country heading

456
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Speaker 1: into the season? Hard to argue against it.

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Speaker 2: It's probably either them or Notre Dame, right, So they're

458
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Speaker 2: in a gilded place in the backfield in terms of

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Speaker 2: experience and power.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how the offensive line should be. I

461
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Speaker 1: think it should be fine. I'm never worried about this

462
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Speaker 1: Penn State defense with how they recruit, so I understand

463
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Speaker 1: top five given how much they return, I understand it.

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Speaker 2: I would prefer that if we're going to have a

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Speaker 2: returning production conversation about Penn State, that they have more

466
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Speaker 2: of that returning production on offense and defense. Sure, you

467
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Speaker 2: would obviously prefer it in both places. But if I

468
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Speaker 2: am going to roll the dice on Penn State being

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Speaker 2: able to cobble one side of the ball together with

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Speaker 2: less to work with or less coming back, I would

471
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Speaker 2: wager on the defense because they're always good on the

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Speaker 2: defensive side of the ball, and as he said, they

473
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Speaker 2: bring in Sort Blitz a lot new defensive coordinator. I

474
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Speaker 2: like their chances of putting a defense together that's as good,

475
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Speaker 2: if not better. Okay, they're just good at doing that.

476
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Speaker 2: But offensively, that's where they need to take another step forward.

477
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Speaker 2: That's where we need to see some growth from Drew Aller. Again,

478
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Speaker 2: we'll get to that list a little bit later on.

479
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Speaker 2: They've got Drew Aller going top twenty to the Steelers wild.

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Speaker 2: I do think there were moments last sure when we

481
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Speaker 2: saw that growth out of Alor we obviously did not

482
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Speaker 2: see in the playoff game. Right, we need to see

483
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Speaker 2: more out of him as a passer, more out of

484
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Speaker 2: him as a pro caliber prospect to I think feel

485
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Speaker 2: comfortable putting him in frankly, the first round, and I

486
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Speaker 2: like the guy. You know, I'm a Drew Aller defender,

487
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Speaker 2: but we just need to see more of what I

488
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Speaker 2: think we saw in Spurts him putting the team on

489
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Speaker 2: his back, being able to throw downfield, hopefully in this case,

490
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Speaker 2: having some receivers to throw to. So that's one hang

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Speaker 2: up with Penn State. But that's like a January hang up.

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Speaker 2: It's a January hang up. I feel decently well about

493
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Speaker 2: them as a top ten caliber team because they should

494
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Speaker 2: be ten, two, eleven, one, twelve, oh, given their schedule,

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Speaker 2: given the roster. If you are a Penn State fan though,

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Speaker 2: the season starts on September the twenty seventh, Yeah, of course,

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Speaker 2: home against Oregon. By the way, do you want to

498
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Speaker 2: come in for that? I have a flight tracker on

499
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Speaker 2: Google Flights right now. It's pretty good.

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Speaker 1: I might. I'm strongly considering it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just fly here, we'll drive up together. We can

502
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Speaker 2: do a show in the car or something.

503
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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's going to be a huge top ten showdown.

505
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Speaker 2: After that on the road at UCLA, Nico should be

506
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Speaker 2: better than Ucla. But there's a whole neco narrative as

507
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Speaker 2: you brought up. Yeah, yeah, then they're home against Northwestern,

508
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Speaker 2: but it's a week before they go on the road

509
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Speaker 2: at Iowa. Then they're off then they're on the road

510
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Speaker 2: against Ohio State. Suddenly we're talking about the early part

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Speaker 2: of November here. From that point forward, it will manageable Indiana,

512
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Speaker 2: Michigan State, Nebraska, Rutgers. Let's say, more manageable than that

513
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Speaker 2: middle part of the schedule. But that meaty middle for

514
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Speaker 2: Penn State is going to dictate a lot. What do

515
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Speaker 2: we know from last year? We know they could drop

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Speaker 2: a few. They could drop a few and still find

517
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Speaker 2: their way into the playoff, provided sure they're not getting

518
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Speaker 2: blown out by any of these teams, and there will

519
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Speaker 2: be ample time for them to kind of make up

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Speaker 2: any lost ground in the rankings. Given that, I think

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Speaker 2: the rest of the schedule was pretty manageable.

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Speaker 1: Oh it's great.

523
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Speaker 2: I am not as high on Penn State at four.

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Speaker 2: I like them there, man, I like Penn State a lot.

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Speaker 2: It's close to right. I would probably drop them a

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Speaker 2: little bit, but I understand at least the thought behind it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean adding Jim Knowles to what dds is back?

528
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Speaker 1: Aj Harris at corner is back. It's I liked whoever

529
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Speaker 1: came in for Abdul Carter in the playoff, whoever that

530
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Speaker 1: rotation edge dude was. I liked him. I thought his

531
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Speaker 1: first step was really nice. I think it was like

532
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Speaker 1: thirty six or thirty seven, forget what his name is.

533
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Speaker 1: So I just think at this point you're just like,

534
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: you just know so much more about Penn State, even

535
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Speaker 1: with the open question about Jim Knowles and Drew Aller

536
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Speaker 1: in big games whatever. Schedule's just so nice and the

537
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Speaker 1: loose Ohio State, which is okay, that's sort of you

538
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 1: can set your watch to that and by the time

539
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Speaker 1: they play in what week seven, week eight, Julian Sayin's

540
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Speaker 1: gonna have a lot of reps with Jeremiah Smith, a

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Speaker 1: lot of reps with Carnell Tait. There's gonna be a

542
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Speaker 1: lot to like about where Ohio State is pending Matt

543
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Speaker 1: Patricia's defense, I guess. So that's interesting to me if

544
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Speaker 1: you get into the like nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen zone,

545
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Speaker 1: I mean there's a lot of quarterback questions in there,

546
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Speaker 1: like what does a Gunner Stockton team look like? With

547
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Speaker 1: you know, a lot still a lot of receiver questions

548
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 1: to me. With Georgia, I'm not worried about the defense,

549
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 1: but they lose huge pieces. But I just anticipate reloading

550
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Speaker 1: for Georgia. Oregon's got a lot of talent, but quarterback question.

551
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Speaker 1: They should be very up front on both sides of

552
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Speaker 1: the ball. They should have a ton of speed and

553
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Speaker 1: both the offensive you know, at pop positions, at run back, receiver,

554
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Speaker 1: in the secondary. A lot of talent there. South Carolina

555
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:15,199
Speaker 1: lost everybody but two of their biggest stars basically, and

556
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Speaker 1: that's what worries me about South Carolina. Like Lenora Selzer's back,

557
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 1: Dylan Stewart led the team in pressures last year. His

558
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: first step is just lightning. But everybody else basically on

559
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 1: this team is stepping into a new full time position

560
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,640
Speaker 1: all you know, losing Kyle Knard, losing you know, all

561
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Speaker 1: American safety caliber guy. Like, there's just so much to

562
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Speaker 1: replace for South Carolina, and they're recruiting, while it's been decent,

563
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Speaker 1: has not been like yeah, next man up. Of course,

564
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Speaker 1: they're gonna win ten games. So that's it feels a

565
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Speaker 1: little bit high to me for South Carolina given what

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Speaker 1: they lost.

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Speaker 2: The Alabama versus Georgia conversation is really interesting to me. Okay,

568
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Speaker 2: go on, Georgia loses a lot too. Georgia is one

569
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Speaker 2: hundred and fifth nationally returning production They're one hundred and

570
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Speaker 2: eighth on offense, ninety third on defense. I think we

571
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Speaker 2: tend to throw some of these returning production numbers out

572
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Speaker 2: the window when it comes to Georgia, and rightfully so.

573
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Speaker 2: They've got a heavy rotation of guys they always have.

574
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Speaker 2: They've clearly got a rolodex of talent and embarrassment of

575
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Speaker 2: riches on that roster. It's not like George is going

576
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Speaker 2: to go out there and be overmatched by pretty much anybody.

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Speaker 2: They've got enough talent. Kirby's fine, But I look at

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Speaker 2: a team like in Alabama, Sarah, and Alabama's got more

579
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Speaker 2: back on offense, more back on defense. Yeah, they lose

580
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Speaker 2: Jalen Milroe. Quarterback is going to be an open question. Sure,

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Speaker 2: at least from that standpoint, Alabama's got a little bit

582
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Speaker 2: more to work with. They had a new coach last year.

583
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Speaker 2: We'll see if Kaylin de Bor can kind of get

584
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Speaker 2: them on the straight and narrow. Last year was a

585
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Speaker 2: bit of a transition year.

586
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Speaker 1: In both cases.

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Speaker 2: We've got a really tough SEC schedule. This should not

588
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Speaker 2: come as any great surprise if you follow the SEC.

589
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Speaker 2: But these two teams play at Georgia on September the

590
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Speaker 2: twenty seventh on what figures to be a pretty big

591
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Speaker 2: weekend in the sport. All Right, we just talked about

592
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Speaker 2: Penn State Oregon. That's twenty seventh, but we've also got

593
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Speaker 2: Alabama Georgia when you can talk through it other matchups

594
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Speaker 2: here as we go through from that point forward. I

595
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Speaker 2: think that among other matchups that we'll see in the

596
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Speaker 2: early part of the season, but that one in particular

597
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Speaker 2: is the one that I've got circled as being the

598
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Speaker 2: tone setter for the sec moving forward. I've got no

599
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Speaker 2: problem with keeping these teams in the top ten. I

600
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Speaker 2: think both are graded out pretty well by Andy. I

601
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Speaker 2: probably have more questions about Alabama, but I understand putting

602
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Speaker 2: them in the top ten. I think they should be

603
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Speaker 2: fairly loaded as well. And I have a lot of

604
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Speaker 2: faith in Kalin Debor.

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Speaker 1: Okay, gotta find a quarterback, at least to find a

606
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Speaker 1: quarterby is, Yeah.

607
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 2: Gotta find a quarterback. The stretch that I am looking

608
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Speaker 2: at though for Alabama, and I think this is going

609
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 2: to be very, very significant and tell you everything you

610
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 2: need to know about where this season is going to go.

611
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 2: It's not September twenty seventh. That's the big one. But

612
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 2: as you get into the Tennessee rivalry game October eighteenth,

613
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 2: on the road at South Carolina the following week, then

614
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 2: a bye, then they come back home against LSU. That

615
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 2: four week stretch there, that four week stretch there is

616
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Speaker 2: going to be very very significant. Oh, by the way,

617
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Speaker 2: after the LSU game they host Oklahoma. Who knows what

618
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 2: Oklahoma's going to be at that point in the season.

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Speaker 2: Revenge spot clearly for Alabama, that stretch in particular for me,

620
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Speaker 2: that four week stretch between middle of October, third week

621
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Speaker 2: of October right second week of November, I think is

622
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Speaker 2: going to be really really meaningful for where things go

623
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Speaker 2: on the Alabama side.

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Speaker 1: I agree, But the teams that you have them playing.

625
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: LSU's defense did not take a dramatic step forward last year.

626
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:55,959
Speaker 1: At times it looked like they were going to And

627
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: now Harold Perkins coming off of torn ACL recovery, and

628
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: they've added guys Patrick Payton, stuff like that in the portal,

629
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Speaker 1: and that's obviously a step in a positive direction. Still

630
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 1: worried about you know, LSU's on this top twenty five list.

631
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Speaker 1: I forgot what you said about about fifteen sixteen on here. Yeah,

632
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: he Andy's got him at fifteen fifteen, Elish still has

633
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: defensive questions. Seem to take a step forward last year

634
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 1: with Caden Durham in the backfield, but we'll see at

635
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: receiver another year where they've gone after you know, help

636
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: at receiver in the portal, after a string of really

637
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: incredible fines on the recruiting trail that have gone on

638
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 1: to NFL success, And so it just doesn't seem like

639
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 1: there is as as good as good Garrett Nusmeyer is.

640
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: You know, he throws an interceptible ball. He's willing to

641
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 1: throw an interceptible ball, and sometimes it works out swimmingly

642
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: and sometimes less so. So there's just so many not

643
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: just questions, but angles to consider, Like is that a

644
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: tough stretch of their schedule. Probably, but they ran all

645
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: over LSU last year. It wasn't even a game, and

646
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: so super curious about Alabama's schedule. They have pieces everywhere

647
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Speaker 1: on the fields. You know, one of the great young

648
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: receivers in the game. I'm actually the more I look

649
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: at Auburn's roster, the more I'm like, I'm more tickled

650
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: by what Auburn could be with that receiving duo. You know,

651
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: it's Eric Singleton coming in from Georgia Tech, and then

652
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: obviously camp Holman year two, Jackson Arnold Jackson, Like if

653
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: Jackson Arnold is all he has to be as a

654
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: quarterback who is pretty limiting with his interceptions and interceptible balls,

655
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: Auburn's in a great place if we're talking about an

656
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 1: Auburn version of that.

657
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 2: Let me just close the loop here real quick on

658
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 2: this place conversation. Alabama versus Georgia schedule's impossible, by the

659
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 2: way for Auburn. But yeah, the schedules impossible for Auburn.

660
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 2: I was going there with it though, talking about Georgia

661
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 2: because George's got a road game at Tennessee. They've got

662
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 2: the home game against Alabama. These are teams and andy rank,

663
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 2: by the way, which is why I'm listing them off.

664
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 2: At Auburn a week before coming home to play against

665
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 2: Old miss they're on buy a week before their cocktail

666
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 2: party game against Florida, who India is at number ten.

667
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,439
Speaker 2: There's a Sandwich game in there at Mississippi State, which

668
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 2: is winnable, but Mississippi State was kind of plucky last year,

669
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,399
Speaker 2: so who the hell knows. And then there's the big

670
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 2: in on this Georgia schedule, which is that rematch against Texas.

671
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 1: It's a brutal schedule.

672
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 2: Game is in Athens, but it's a brutal schedule.

673
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:26,359
Speaker 1: Yeah.

674
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 2: Oh, and then they close out on the road against

675
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 2: Georgia Tech, which was a five overtime game a year ago.

676
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 2: M hm.

677
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 1: So it's a brutal stretch, brutally. It's the hunt for

678
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 1: Georgia this year is to figure out what they can

679
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: be incredible at. They had a good offense and a

680
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: good defense, with each side of the ball going through

681
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: stretches of massive frustration. And so whether it's receiver improvement,

682
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: whether it's quarterback continuity, whether it's not continuity, but quarterback improvement,

683
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: you know, snap to snap, whether it's the offensive line

684
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: when I think was Tate Ratledge went down last year,

685
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 1: really took a step back and allowing a ton of pressure.

686
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,280
Speaker 1: And it's just defensive consistency as well. So if Auburn

687
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: can find this year an identity what they can lean into,

688
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 1: they're gonna be great. But I still think it's an

689
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:13,280
Speaker 1: open question.

690
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 2: All right, So of these teams that Andy has listed here, yeah,

691
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 2: I have done some analysis. Please and look to see

692
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 2: who plays the most and the fewest ranked teams. Okay, okay,

693
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 2: there are a handful of teams here. Again, if you

694
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:36,879
Speaker 2: take Andy's top twenty five at face value, and you

695
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,399
Speaker 2: list these teams in order of who plays the most

696
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 2: ranked opponents, who plays the fewest ranked opponents.

697
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:47,399
Speaker 1: Part of why I like Louisville is because of this. Yeah,

698
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 1: shout out all you Miller Moss heads.

699
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 2: By you who we have not mentioned yet. B Way,

700
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 2: you only has Iowa State and Texas Tech. Arizona State

701
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 2: has Iowa State and Texas Tech as well.

702
00:35:58,520 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 1: How do you feel about Notre Dame? I too, by

703
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:01,879
Speaker 1: the way, you kind of glossed over that it's way

704
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 1: too high, Dan, I mean it's returning a ton of

705
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: key players at every level other than quarterback. Yeah. Another

706
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 1: really good one is Jadarian Price and Jeremiah Love in

707
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 1: the backfield.

708
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:19,839
Speaker 2: New tight end, Yes, new tight end, but it's I'm

709
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 2: fine with the tight end. My question is not so

710
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 2: much about CJ. Carr and the offense that is I

711
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 2: think going to dominate the headlines. But I'm very curious

712
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 2: to see what Notre Dame looks like in the trenches.

713
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 2: Defensive trenches. I should specify, so I think the line

714
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 2: will be okay. The line was constantly jostling guys last year,

715
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 2: and you know, once they kind of found their groove,

716
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 2: it was like a pretty good line.

717
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: Got a new coordinator on defense on.

718
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 2: Defense, Chris Ash, I don't necessarily feel crazy about that,

719
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 2: but defensively for me is where I have the biggest questions.

720
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 2: I don't think the schedule is super brutal. I think

721
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 2: it's based out fairly well, and I think they've got

722
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 2: enough manpower given how strong recruiting has been to go

723
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 2: toe to toe with pretty much everybody on this schedule.

724
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 2: It's just a leap for me to put them at

725
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 2: two given some of the questions I have right now.

726
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 1: They only have, by the way, two opportunities for Marcus

727
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: Freeman to lose a crazy embarrassing game because their schedule

728
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 1: as such, where there is no Marshall, there is no

729
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 1: Northern Illinois. The only two embarrassing games I guess would

730
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,240
Speaker 1: be Navy and Stanford if they were to lose them.

731
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 1: You could say that because it's not embarrassing to lose

732
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 1: to Boise State any of the other teams. You're just like,

733
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 1: it's not great for Notre Dame They're going to be

734
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 1: favored and basically all their games. Tough schedule in that

735
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:41,879
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any neutral sites this year, which

736
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,800
Speaker 1: is very weird for Notre Dame. And they only have

737
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: is it only two G five games in Navy and

738
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,800
Speaker 1: Boise ten Power four games.

739
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 2: It's a bunch of a's tough potential bowl teams on here. Yeah,

740
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 2: I guess Perdue, we'll have Purdue. A Purdue loss.

741
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 1: Would be pretty embarrassing for Marcusan.

742
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,320
Speaker 2: A Perdue loss would be bad, especially given the strife

743
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,720
Speaker 2: with Purdue. But you know, Notre Dame's got some interesting

744
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 2: games on here. So they open up the year on

745
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 2: the road at Miami. My assumption is going to be CJ. Carr,

746
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 2: not Kenny Minchee. They've got the second week off, and

747
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 2: they come back home and they complete the home and

748
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 2: home with Texas.

749
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: A and m.

750
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 2: Two weeks later, they go to Arkansas. It's an interesting

751
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 2: matchup that you almost never see before, coming back home

752
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 2: against Boise State. Then they've got NC State at home,

753
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 2: They've got USC at home. That takes it to the

754
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 2: end of October. So this is a schedule, at least

755
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 2: in my view, that is pretty front loaded if you

756
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,720
Speaker 2: make it to the end of October without a huge hiccup,

757
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,280
Speaker 2: so you can even take a loss in there. Close

758
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:50,280
Speaker 2: out the season at Boston College home against Navy, at

759
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 2: Pitt home against Syracuse on the road at Stanford. Those

760
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 2: are five very winnable games, Dan, Oh, Yeah, very winnable games.

761
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,399
Speaker 2: So you get through the first seven. The remain five,

762
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 2: I think are a bit of a of a comfort cruise.

763
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: When you said Iowa State was too low, they're a

764
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: really fun example of they had two receivers taken in

765
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: the first three rounds, right, they were considered to be

766
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: like they had two top ten receivers in this draft

767
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: or somewhere in that zone. I like rock Obeck, But

768
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 1: now I'm thinking that they kind of underperformed with that

769
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: kind of talent out wide, and now those guys are gone.

770
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 2: Who do you do you think is ranked way too low?

771
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 2: I said Louisville earlier. I mean we're on Miller Moss watch.

772
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 2: Now that he's in Louisville. I think the schedule is

773
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 2: very promising. I could make a case for a couple

774
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 2: of these teams. I think Texas Tech might be a

775
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 2: little too high, but I understand the optimism.

776
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: Oh, I think there are so many questions about what

777
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: seems to be every single team on Arizona State schedule,

778
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 1: And weirdly enough, this program which had been through so

779
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 1: much in the transition to Kenny Dillingham and just that

780
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 1: roster being completely depleted, and now they're just like in

781
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 1: this weirdly stable place, even without Campskataboo. They bring back enough,

782
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 1: not a ton, but enough where I think they might

783
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,359
Speaker 1: be a little bit too low. How do you feel

784
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,720
Speaker 1: about Michigan. I mean, there's a couple of teams. Michigan

785
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 1: is one of those teams that counts as like you

786
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,320
Speaker 1: look at Michigan, you look at Miami, you look at

787
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 1: I guess maybe Nebraska, where like if quarterback works out,

788
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:34,399
Speaker 1: if Carson Beck's elbows all right, if Michigan figures out

789
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 1: a transition either immediately to Bryce Underwood or eventually to

790
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 1: Bryce Underwood, I don't love Michigan right now. I just

791
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 1: don't know what Michigan will be like. When will they

792
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 1: be the best version of this team? What does the

793
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: best version of this team look like now? Losing three

794
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: of their best defensive four of their best defensive players,

795
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 1: and both of the interior Linemen and Josiah Stewart and

796
00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 1: Will Johnson that we're now making a transition and they've

797
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 1: been smart in the portal. I still don't know where

798
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: they're completing passes too. On offense, who's throwing those passes?

799
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: I don't think the schedule is as crazy, but early

800
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 1: on they have what Oklahoma on.

801
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 2: The road, Oklahoma, Nebraska on the road, USC on the

802
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 2: road middle of October.

803
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 1: It's a toughish schedule and we don't really have a

804
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 1: concept for like, what does the best of this Michigan

805
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: team actually look like. I am bullish on Michigan, Okay,

806
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: for what reason?

807
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 2: So I look at the schedule first and foremost, and

808
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 2: I agree that we we have concepts of a Michigan

809
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 2: this year. Yeah, I know exactly what it's going to be.

810
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:52,240
Speaker 2: But I look at the schedule and I say, Michigan's

811
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 2: Michigan's got enough back across the board. They're still top

812
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 2: thirty with respect to returning production. Okay, And if Bryce

813
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 2: Underwood is the guy, if he does give them pop

814
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 2: on offense at quarterback, that was really what they were

815
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 2: missing the most last year. They just had no second pitch.

816
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 2: They were going to run it every dawn. But if

817
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:16,760
Speaker 2: you can get to the point now where he gives

818
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 2: you that variability, you start looking at the schedule and

819
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:23,359
Speaker 2: it's like, all right, well, Oklahoma wasn't great last year.

820
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 2: They're probably improved. But Michigan knows how to play defense.

821
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 2: I think I think they're still better than Nebraska. I

822
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 2: think they're better than Wisconsin. I think they can give

823
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 2: USC a game on the road. You start ticking through

824
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 2: these teams that are on the schedule, Ohio State kind

825
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 2: of being its own separate thing. That game is at home,

826
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 2: by the way, in Michigan Stadium this year. Yeah, I

827
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 2: look at Michigan, I say, seventeen's too low. I could

828
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 2: make I could make a case for Michigan as a

829
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 2: top ten team based on what I think they're going

830
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 2: to look like and what the schedule looks like to

831
00:42:58,680 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 2: me right now.

832
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 1: I mean, forget who's throwing the ball, but on third

833
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: and nine, who are you targeting?

834
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 2: Not talking about this?

835
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 1: Good usage? Tie, good usage? Thank you Dan, because I

836
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: can at least squint for a lot of these teams. Look,

837
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: maybe it's one of the new tight ends. That's fine.

838
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:21,760
Speaker 1: Last year was Colston Lovelin. But who was it that popped.

839
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: That was a Hogan Hanson. I want to say in

840
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 1: the bowl game, it's the most Michigan. It's a great Michigan.

841
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 1: If that is his name, it's Hogan Hanson, I believe, Yeah,

842
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 1: who's that guy? They haven't had that guy in a minute,

843
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: and so that is that is an open question to me. Wait,

844
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 1: if you're asking who's catching it and who's throwing it

845
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 1: and how will they be, that's fine, not great if

846
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,439
Speaker 1: you're talking about a top ten TI hilden Brand team.

847
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 1: I like Austin Simmons, by the way, to do old

848
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 1: miss a lot. Oh okay there. I mean they're replacing

849
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: a ton on both sides of the ball. They pushed

850
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:57,879
Speaker 1: all the chips in last year, but just an isolated

851
00:43:58,239 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 1: I like Austin Simmons.

852
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 2: Iowa State is forever more going to be my muse.

853
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:05,919
Speaker 1: I have no idea what to expect from Iowa State.

854
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 2: Iowa State was one of those teams last year that

855
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 2: had a ton back, and this year it's not bad.

856
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 2: It's not as good as it was a year ago,

857
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 2: but they've they've got plenty back. And it's a schedule

858
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,479
Speaker 2: that I look at and they say, well, they open

859
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 2: the year in Ireland for the Pharmageddon game. Just strange.

860
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 2: It's strange, man that they would send that game over there,

861
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 2: But hey, go go knock yourself out. They come back

862
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 2: home two weeks later, it's a Syhawk game, also at

863
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 2: home against Iowa. But they've got games on here. As

864
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 2: you go through this schedule at Colorado, I don't know

865
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 2: what to think of Colorado.

866
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 1: I have no idea.

867
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,760
Speaker 2: Right back to back games at home, mind you against

868
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 2: BYU and ASU. I think we both like those teams.

869
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:57,760
Speaker 2: Generally speaking, Big twelve is kind of in a blender

870
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 2: as always. At TCU, you kind of a getaway game

871
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 2: before a buye mm hm. Close out the year at

872
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 2: Oklahoma State. Oklahoma State can't be any worse than where

873
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,479
Speaker 2: a year ago. They just can't. This sets up really

874
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 2: well for Iowa State. I think this sets up really well.

875
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 2: You got a really tough stretch. I think in the

876
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 2: middle of the season. I think in the beginning part

877
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 2: of the season it could get a little bit hairy

878
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 2: with the k State and Iowa games. But at twenty three,

879
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 2: to your point from earlier, like they should be better

880
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 2: than twenty three. When we close this thing out, they

881
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 2: should finish closer to like a top fifteen, top twelve

882
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 2: caliber team.

883
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:36,879
Speaker 1: I'll give you a team that's not in this top

884
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 1: twenty five, by the way, that I'm not so sure

885
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,919
Speaker 1: won't finish as a top twenty if not top fifteen team,

886
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: let me let me verify that they're not. Yeah, they're

887
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: not in this top twenty five. And that's Texas A

888
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 1: and M. I don't know, man, it's quarterback continuity, it's

889
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 1: offensive line continuity, for better or for worse. There's playmakers

890
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,760
Speaker 1: on this defense, and they've got a full on good coach.

891
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: It's a brutal schedule, it's a brutal conference. But we

892
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: were in November with Texas A and M SEC championship

893
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 1: game scenarios in year one, and I grant you a

894
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: lot of the players who helped to get A and

895
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: M to that point before it sort of collapsed late

896
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: are gone. Yeah. I don't know. I just like A

897
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 1: and M if they can look they're deep enough, it

898
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 1: seems at running back, and hopefully they're going to be

899
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 1: healthier this year. Ruben Owens went down early. If they

900
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 1: can run the ball relatively well, if Casey Concepcion can

901
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 1: find his form, from a couple of years ago. I mean,

902
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: there's a lot of ifs here, a lot of new

903
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: guys catching balls for A and M. I just think

904
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 1: they're starting point if they're able to sort of roll

905
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: in new defensive linemen. You know. I like where they're

906
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 1: starting off from better than some of these teams in

907
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: terms of roster.

908
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 2: I'll tell you one team that's in the top twenty

909
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 2: five that I would not put in the top twenty five.

910
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 2: I'm ready Iowa, Okay, why I am fully out in Iowa.

911
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 2: Usually the strength of this team's defense right still will

912
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 2: remain a strength, but not a lot back ninety fifth

913
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 2: nationally returning production on defense. Then you look at the

914
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:24,439
Speaker 2: schedule and it has taken a little bit, I think

915
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 2: for this to manifest. Okay, because when the Big Ten

916
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 2: did away with the divisional structure, when they started adding teams,

917
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 2: what was the conversation, Like you and I had this

918
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 2: with Scott Doctrment and it was like, may not hit yet,

919
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 2: but at some point I was going to get to

920
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 2: this place where the schedule is much harder than it's been.

921
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 2: You can only live off the spoils of the Big

922
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 2: Ten West schedule for so long but eventually as we

923
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 2: start cycling some of these new teams in it and

924
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 2: like the landscape changes. This is a schedule to me

925
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 2: that look to be that. Okay, I mentioned the Syhawk

926
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 2: game that's early, that's in Iowa State won't be easy.

927
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,720
Speaker 2: They've got Indiana at home. Indiana's clearly a much improved program,

928
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 2: so they're going to give Iowa a fight. They have

929
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 2: to go to Wisconsin. I don't know if either of

930
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 2: us is that high on Wisconsin, but it is still

931
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,439
Speaker 2: a road game at Wisconsin a week before Penn State

932
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 2: comes to town. Oh, by the way, after the Penn

933
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 2: State game, Minnesota comes to town before Amy. You know

934
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:31,240
Speaker 2: who comes after the buye Oregon Ducks. They're coming to town.

935
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 1: Yep.

936
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 2: A week after that Oregon game, you're on the road

937
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 2: against USC and then, oh, by the way, you close out,

938
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 2: you're the Heroes game against Nebraska. There's like four or

939
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 2: five losses on the schedule.

940
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 1: I'm not going to argue that point. They're number twenty five.

941
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: Likely for a reason I would put you know who,

942
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 1: schedule wise and experience wise, and proof of concept wise,

943
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 1: I might put in that twenty five four to three

944
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 1: zone is the University of Washington. I like this, Okay,

945
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: I do like this. Returning quarterback with promise yep, full

946
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: on good running back in Joanah Coleman, not great good,

947
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 1: Denzel Boston promising number one receiver. Defense took a nice

948
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 1: step four or not nice step four because they were

949
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 1: in the championship game two years ago, but took care

950
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 1: of business largely against average offenses on their schedule last year.

951
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 1: Schedule's pretty great in terms of home road splits. They

952
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 1: do have both Ohio State and Oregon, but both are

953
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 1: in Seattle. You gotta win the Apple Cup for the

954
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 1: first time in a couple of years. Now, you gotta

955
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 1: win that. And otherwise there's a lot of teams who

956
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: could be in disarray by the time they're playing Washington.

957
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 1: And so you look at the schedule like in that

958
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 1: eight and four, nine and three, based on getting a

959
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:47,720
Speaker 1: couple of breaks, learning how to finish games, which Washington

960
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: very much needs to do. Sometimes there's something there. I

961
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:54,439
Speaker 1: don't think their talent level is of top twenty yet,

962
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 1: and their schedule is still tricky, but I think right

963
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:00,479
Speaker 1: in that zone if a couple things break right, yeah,

964
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:01,399
Speaker 1: Washington eight and four.

965
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 2: I mean if I told you now that on October

966
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:09,439
Speaker 2: the twenty fifth, Illinois came to town and Washington pulled

967
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 2: an upset.

968
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 1: You'd believe me. Yeah, you're talking about an Illinois team

969
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 1: that returns a ton on defense but loses the strength

970
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 1: of their team, which was adding pop out wide in

971
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 1: Zakari Franklin and Pat Bryant now that they can't be

972
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 1: replaced to a certain extent, Really like the step foward

973
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:28,799
Speaker 1: that Luke Altmeyer took last year. Lose Josh McCrae to

974
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 1: George I want to say he'll be next to Nate

975
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 1: Frasier in that backfield. There's a lot to like about

976
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 1: the continuity of Illinois, but I think there may be

977
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 1: more upside with Washington having that game at home. There's

978
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 1: a lot of upside.

979
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 2: The other upside that I would add here, I mean,

980
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 2: for as often as we kind of throw Jedfish under

981
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 2: the bus for his willingness to leave jobs quickly, of course,

982
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 2: Jedfish we saw a huge jump from year one year

983
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 2: two when he was at Arizona. They went from one

984
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 2: to eleven to five and seven. And one of the

985
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 2: common themes throughout his tenure in Tucson was this is

986
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 2: a team that played really hard, played really hard, didn't matter.

987
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 2: They weren't always winning, but they always played hard, they

988
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 2: always finished strong. And if he could instill that culture

989
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 2: at Washington. They won six games last year. They lost

990
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 2: a ton. They won six games last year, better roster

991
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 2: than what he started with at Arizona, but they still

992
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:26,760
Speaker 2: won six games.

993
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 1: Went to a bowl, lost to some ball.

994
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, what does this season look like for Washington? Questions

995
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 2: about the schedule, questions about the talent. You know, you

996
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:40,359
Speaker 2: still got your complement of an Ohio State game, a

997
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 2: Michigan game on the road. They close out the regular

998
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 2: season with Oregon at home, they go to Wisconsin. I

999
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 2: mentioned the Illinois game, like, there are definitely Land minds

1000
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 2: on here. I'm not saying they're going ten to two, right,

1001
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 2: but I think there is a strong case for a

1002
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 2: big jump coming for Washington as well.

1003
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 1: And the hired a defensive coordinator who's game planned again

1004
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:03,799
Speaker 1: a bunch of these teams and Ryan Walters yep, Like,

1005
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 1: I think Washington is doing a lot of boring things correctly,

1006
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 1: and the roster isn't there for any sort of serious run.

1007
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:15,359
Speaker 1: But they're doing a lot of boring correct things and

1008
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 1: if they're able to upgrade that roster, then who knows?

1009
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:23,400
Speaker 2: All right, Dan, We would encourage people, of course, to

1010
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:26,800
Speaker 2: write in and let us know their thoughts on Andy's

1011
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 2: top twenty five and our thoughts on Andy's top twenty five.

1012
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 2: If there are any teams that got left out that

1013
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:34,279
Speaker 2: you think should be in, if there are any teams that

1014
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 2: you think are in but are way too high. We

1015
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 2: didn't even really talk a whole lot about teams like

1016
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:43,839
Speaker 2: Ohio State in Florida and LSU. You talked a little

1017
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:46,799
Speaker 2: bit about Old miss but Miami. Like, we can't obviously

1018
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 2: go through all of these teams in crazy detail. We'd

1019
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 2: be here for four hours. We'll do that when we

1020
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 2: get to preview season, when we bring guests on to

1021
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 2: talk about Yeah, it's kind of you know, in their

1022
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:00,360
Speaker 2: mind here in the preseason, but we would urge you

1023
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:03,760
Speaker 2: to reach out Sliverblegmail dot com or across social media

1024
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 2: or anywhere you can leave a comment. Let us know

1025
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 2: where we're right, where we're wrong. We love that stuff.

1026
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 2: We read all that stuff, so let us know.

1027
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 1: Did we want to go through briefly on the heels

1028
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 1: of the twenty twenty sixth draft. Oh yeah, just for

1029
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 1: a few minutes, this PFF big board, just for a

1030
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:19,399
Speaker 1: few minutes. Now.

1031
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 2: Weirdly, I feel like for as into the draft as

1032
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 2: I tend to be, you are a little bit more

1033
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:30,320
Speaker 2: into this way too early big board from pff P.

1034
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:33,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. That was well, it's one of those things where

1035
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 1: it helps me to align my thoughts of twenty twenty five,

1036
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 1: remembering who's where, who's going to affect, you know, potentially

1037
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: top line position groups, Like it's an easy reminder that

1038
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:49,760
Speaker 1: Ohio State might have the best offensive and defensive players

1039
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 1: in this sport in Caleb Downs and Jeremiah Smith. That

1040
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 1: are like, oh right, that's Ohio State's starting point, even

1041
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:58,760
Speaker 1: as they replace like twenty starters. That it's Caleb Downs

1042
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,479
Speaker 1: on one side anchoring the the defense and Jeremia Smith

1043
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 1: anchoring the offense. Of course, Jeremih Smith not eligible for

1044
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty six draft. It's just they're all like

1045
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:11,359
Speaker 1: very helpful reminders about where guys have graded out, where

1046
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:13,919
Speaker 1: guys have already performed on a high level, where guys

1047
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:16,760
Speaker 1: are thought of, And then like you look at the quarterbacks,

1048
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:19,319
Speaker 1: You're like Kay Klubnick has a good amount returning at

1049
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 1: receiver arch Manning new line of you know, DeAndre Morris back,

1050
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 1: but going to count on Ryan Wingo for a bigger

1051
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 1: role and some younger guys for a bigger role and

1052
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:30,240
Speaker 1: a new starting tight end for a new role. Like

1053
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:34,400
Speaker 1: like arch Manning has that opportunity, and it has the lineage,

1054
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 1: has the name to be you know, the number one

1055
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 1: overall pick, but has his work cut out for him

1056
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 1: in an advantageous system. So that is helpful to me

1057
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 1: seeing the edge rushers who are back, because now there's

1058
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 1: rightfully so such a crazy premium on edge rushers as

1059
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 1: you like bring this up, and defensive linemen as well.

1060
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 1: But like it's a really there's a lot of like

1061
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 1: good reminders in here that there are open questions about

1062
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 1: a good chunk of Alabama's offensive line, but like Caden

1063
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:06,360
Speaker 1: Proctor came on really really strong, right and has that

1064
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 1: opportunity as like a physically huge human with very athletic

1065
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 1: feet and is a nimble tackle to be a top five,

1066
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,879
Speaker 1: top eight pick or something like that. And so that

1067
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 1: it's a reminder too of like the starting point, like

1068
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 1: al the starting point for Alabama's quarterback battle is potentially

1069
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,240
Speaker 1: an All American left tackle and potentially an All American

1070
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 1: number one receiver and Ryan Williams and I'm a really

1071
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 1: good running back, not in twenty twenty six, which is

1072
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:36,279
Speaker 1: even crazier, right exactly Williams would be twenty twenty seven.

1073
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Speaker 2: But no, it's a it's a very valid point. So

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Speaker 2: just to kind of offer some context and maybe for

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Speaker 2: the people watching the video, we can we can flash

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Speaker 2: this graphic Updan of yes, of course, of what their

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Speaker 2: first round mock looks like. This is from Dalton Wasserman

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Speaker 2: out at PFF. The graphic that I'm looking at anyway,

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Speaker 2: and this is contingent on a bunch of variables, right,

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Speaker 2: like they've got the giant drafting number one overall.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just looking at the big board. But yes, right,

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Speaker 1: so I'm looking at a mock draft.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking at a big board. It's interesting to kind

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Speaker 2: of find the overlap between these two things.

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Speaker 1: Totally.

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Speaker 2: Of his top thirteen picks, four of them are from Clemson, yes,

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Speaker 2: which kind of underscores what I've been saying about why

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Speaker 2: I'd be higher on Clemson. He has Kateen Proctor going

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Speaker 2: to the Giants at one. If the Giants are drafting

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Speaker 2: at one, that's going to be a whole episode onto itself.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but he's.

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Speaker 2: Got the Browns taking Arch Manning, which would definitely be controversial,

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Speaker 2: Caleb Downs going three, Kate Klubnick to the Jets going four,

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Speaker 2: Garrett Nussmeyer five to the Saints. They just took Tyler Shuck,

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Speaker 2: so that would kind of be its own conversation. You know,

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Speaker 2: this is again highly contingent on who is drafting where.

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Speaker 2: To your point, though, Caleb Downs is the number one

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00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:52,359
Speaker 2: player on their big board, right, makes total sense to me. Right,

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Speaker 2: He's got TJ. Parker and Peter Woods to defensive linemen

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Speaker 2: from Clemson going two and.

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Speaker 1: Three and on his big board.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, clearly that reemphasizes what I'm talking about. And then

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Speaker 2: kid club Nick not too much farther down on that list,

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Speaker 2: my guy Jeremiah Love in the top ten here, Who

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Speaker 2: are the names that stand out to you on this

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Speaker 2: big board?

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Speaker 1: I mean just something where where Miami is starting out

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Speaker 1: with protecting Carson Beck and that the upfront on defense

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00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 1: starting point being Ruben Bain on that defensive line and

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Speaker 1: being Francis Mauigo on the right side of that offensive line,

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Speaker 1: that Miami has an opportunity once again, they're doing their

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Speaker 1: best to surround Carson Beck with players. But if Carson

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Speaker 1: Beck's elbow, He's is fine, He's gonna be first two

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Speaker 1: three rounds. That to me is interesting. The Clemson thing,

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Speaker 1: obviously you mentioned already Penn State is starting out at

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Speaker 1: a really interesting point with Drew Aller and uh let's

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Speaker 1: denied Dennis Sutton dds on the defensive line. I'm just

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Speaker 1: looking to see, like an Aj Harris on the back

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Speaker 1: end of that defense. Like I'm just looking to see,

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Speaker 1: like what are the starting points for Like, Okay, we

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Speaker 1: can build this secondary around blank. You know, the starting

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Speaker 1: point for Ohio State is, yes, they've recruited super well,

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Speaker 1: but like how much easier does playing defense become for

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Speaker 1: Ohio State if you have Caleb Downs as sort of

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Speaker 1: like this box safety linebacker hybrid and that you're running

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Speaker 1: away from his side, that you're throwing away from his side,

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Speaker 1: that you're making sure you know where he is on

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Speaker 1: every play as you're working in a number of new

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Speaker 1: players around him. So, like, that's fascinating to me to see,

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Speaker 1: like how offensive coordinators and quarterbacks respond to looking across

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Speaker 1: the field at him, seeing what Auburn has to offer

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00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:44,440
Speaker 1: as like upper level talent is interesting to me. Kendrick

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00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:46,680
Speaker 1: Fouk is on here on the edge, who has the

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Speaker 1: ability to be pretty incredible going through here. Otherwise, like

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Speaker 1: Sam Levitt and Jordan Tyson have the ability to be

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Speaker 1: somewhere between like a top two three round duo. Which

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Speaker 1: is why I like Arizona State a good amount because

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Speaker 1: once again, no matter who you're placing on the offensive line,

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Speaker 1: who you're placing at running back, if that's your starting point,

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Speaker 1: you're starting ahead of basically the entirety of the Big twelve.

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Speaker 1: And so yeah, looking at this big board to see

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Speaker 1: that like, oh, this is you know, this is what

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Speaker 1: is you look at the combination of grades and scouting whatever,

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Speaker 1: this is where a lot of these teams are starting.

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Speaker 1: Alabama has a ton of guys, yeah, with respect to

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Speaker 1: other teams in this top forty to fifty big board

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00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 1: that like this is their starting point, that they have

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Speaker 1: an All American caliber linebacker that you know, the best

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Speaker 1: of LT. Overton can be dominant for Alabama. It's just

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Speaker 1: it's all very interesting already to see what kind of

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Speaker 1: the NFL minds think about who's returning in college in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: Five they're pretty high in Jordan Tyson. Yeah, they're really

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Speaker 2: high in Jordan Tyson. And that's a name that stood

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Speaker 2: out to me.

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Speaker 1: Transferred away from Dion as soon as he arrived.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I did not see where Dalton had him in

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Speaker 2: his mock draft. I believe it was top ten or

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Speaker 2: somewhere right about that, maybe being the number one receiver

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Speaker 2: off the board. But you know, to your point of

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Speaker 2: providing a starting point for a conversation about these teams

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Speaker 2: that were ranking, Jordan Tyson didn't play in some of

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Speaker 2: the biggest games of Arizona State's season last year. He

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Speaker 2: was hurt, right, So you mix him in now with

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Speaker 2: Sam lev Now, of course it hurts that you lose

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Speaker 2: Scamps Kataboo, who was kind of the heartbeat of that offense.

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Speaker 2: But you get Jordan Tyson, you get Sam Levitt together

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Speaker 2: again on the same offense. That provides a lot of pop.

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Speaker 2: That's very exciting in the Big twelve.

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Speaker 1: And there's always going to be like those weight and

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Speaker 1: see guys who are transferring up and are going to

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Speaker 1: be playing in a huge system on offense or defense,

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Speaker 1: and scouts are waiting to see, like, oh, does this

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Speaker 1: grade at a mountain West School at a Sun Belt school,

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Speaker 1: does it translate now that they're playing in the SEC,

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Speaker 1: now that they're playing in the Big ten, and so

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Speaker 1: they are going to be I saw what should be

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Speaker 1: Oregon's new starting left tackle, Isaiah World. He's like consider

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Speaker 1: be like a top ten, top fifteen caliber player. Got

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Speaker 1: to see it against Big ten competition. He was at

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Speaker 1: Nevada last year. So this is obviously the embryonic stages

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Speaker 1: of the draft process. But you're always going to see

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Speaker 1: like Alabama players and Georgia players and Ohio State players

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Speaker 1: just because they've been so visible. But it's wild. It's

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Speaker 1: wild that there's already like thoughts about next year's draft preseason.

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Speaker 2: I can tell you right now the name that I

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Speaker 2: am most interested in hearing through next year's draft class.

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Speaker 2: That's Nick Harbor from South Carolina.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Nick Harber is six five, two thirty five. He's got

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Speaker 2: elite track caliber speed. He is going to be a

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Speaker 2: guy that people cannot stop talking about now. He is

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Speaker 2: clearly within the top one hundred of this big board

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Speaker 2: that PFF put out as well he should be. I

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Speaker 2: think we're still waiting to see the full on college

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Speaker 2: production from Nick Harber. He was overwhelmingly a five star recruiter.

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Speaker 2: Is a big deal to get him at South Carolina.

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Speaker 2: The Draftnicks are going to go crazy for Nick Harbor

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Speaker 2: and his athleticism.

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Speaker 1: On one hand, you're Dante Thornton for Tennessee who gets

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Speaker 1: drapped in the third round without showing a ton in

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Speaker 1: college beyond like straight line speed Dante Big though he's

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Speaker 1: not there, or your dk metcalf Right, who just showed

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Speaker 1: more at Ole miss. I don't think Nick Harbor had

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Speaker 1: a seventy yard game last year.

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Speaker 2: No, and that's my point. I think we don't know

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Speaker 2: what's going to happen this year. I would expect that

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Speaker 2: they're going to try and feature him a little bit

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Speaker 2: more given his athleticism, but we haven't seen that production yet,

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Speaker 2: and he will be a fascinating story to watch an

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Speaker 2: ext draft cycle because we know the athleticism is there.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I agree, this is a really interesting list.

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Speaker 2: We can obviously put up some graphics to show people

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Speaker 2: what's out there right now, but definitely worth charting, kind

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Speaker 2: of on the heels of the twenty twenty five draft. Yes, sir,

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Speaker 2: and as he said, a starting point for what is

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Speaker 2: to come in twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: So I have.

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Speaker 2: Why don't we leave it there, folks. We will be

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Speaker 2: back a little later on this week. Of course, we're

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Speaker 2: doing two episodes per week now here in the off season.

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Speaker 2: We would again encourage you to reach out, let us

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Speaker 2: know where we're too high, where we're too low, where

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Speaker 2: Andy is too high, where Andy is too low, any

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Speaker 2: of these draft names that you're more interested in following

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01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 2: now as we get into the twenty twenty five season,

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Speaker 2: not just Arch Manning or the Jeremiah Loves or the

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Speaker 2: you know whoever, Dylan theenem In I saw as a

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Speaker 2: name that I know you can be tracking up there

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Speaker 2: at work.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to play top level free safety for Oregon.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would encourage people to reach out to us

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Speaker 2: got a bunch of content coming at you this offseason. Yes, sir,

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