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Speaker 1: from Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Gentlemen, I'm gonna dive right
Speaker 1: into this because I want to talk a little bit
Speaker 1: about the Senior Bowl. But I'll tell everybody what we're
Speaker 1: gonna do here a little bit first. You can always
Speaker 1: get a hold of us at eight eight eight eight
Speaker 1: five five two two nine seven. We're gonna take some
Speaker 1: calls today, probably gonna do that after we do Twitter
Speaker 1: on the twenty. That's our next staple that we're gonna
Speaker 1: have today. Needs you to get all your questions draft
Speaker 1: related questions. Let Dane, David myself have an opportunity to
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Speaker 1: at the Draft show. You can get your questions that way.
Speaker 1: Kent Garrison will handle the calls. He's executive producer this
Speaker 1: fine program, So make sure you're nice to Kent. But
Speaker 1: we're gonna do Twitter on the twenty and then we're
Speaker 1: also going to do a game at the end called
Speaker 1: would you Rather? And I like this game because I
Speaker 1: went back and looked at last year's draft, and I'm
Speaker 1: comparing players from last year's draft, similar rounds, similar positions.
Speaker 1: Would you rather? You haven't shared these yet? No, I
Speaker 1: have not. I'm looking at them. I have the dubious
Speaker 1: distinction of reading them. I'm not looking forward to this
Speaker 1: because I think this is gonna be hard. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it'll be interesting. Yeah, I always I always try and
Speaker 1: make it interesting because I want fans out there always
Speaker 1: want to know is this guy better than is this?
Speaker 1: Would you take? I don't know, Dane, how many times
Speaker 1: you probably get a Twitter people ask you, they'll give
Speaker 1: you three names and they ask you to which one
Speaker 1: would you rather have? Right? And so I'm doing this
Speaker 1: and it's not just first round guys, right, I've gone
Speaker 1: through and gone through some you know, third and fourth
Speaker 1: round guys as well. This isn't something that just you know,
Speaker 1: fans will ask. This is something in war rooms better ask.
Speaker 1: You know, they want to know. General manners want to
Speaker 1: know from their scouts, who does this guy remind you of?
Speaker 1: Compared to that. That's exactly right, Mike. My experience working
Speaker 1: with Jerry Jones is Jerry Jones is better when you
Speaker 1: describe a player or you say he is like this
Speaker 1: guy and somebody that Jerry knows. I don't want to
Speaker 1: compare players. So yeah, the head coach doesn't want to
Speaker 1: compare players, but the owner general manage will compare players
Speaker 1: all day. So that's what we got today. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: put a bowl in the Senior Bowl. Twitter on the
Speaker 1: twenty and then Draft Show, would you rather? I said,
Speaker 1: I want to get in that Senior Bowl And we
Speaker 1: just got back from Mobile, had the game on, he
Speaker 1: had a chance to look at it. Dane, two or three,
Speaker 1: maybe four or five guys you thought were winners from
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl and the week itself, not you know,
Speaker 1: I mean just not the game, but like the week itself,
Speaker 1: guys that helped themselves with their draft stock or give.
Speaker 1: Maybe the people didn't know much about him, but elevated
Speaker 1: themselves a little bit. I think any conversation has to
Speaker 1: start with Hassan Reddick, my guy from Temple. You know,
Speaker 1: a guy ranked highly going in, and he lived up
Speaker 1: to that high status. I think even surpassed it. I
Speaker 1: had him as number thirty eight overall on my board.
Speaker 1: He's gonna be men right about him, but he's gonna
Speaker 1: be mentioned in the first round. Now, Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: he helped himself that much with his ability on tape.
Speaker 1: He's an edge rusher, he's going out of the pocket
Speaker 1: and mobile. He was asked to drop in space. About that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he looked natural doing it. That athleticism. He did not
Speaker 1: look out of play. So I think Hassan Reddick only
Speaker 1: only helped himself. He's gonna be in the first Roundbix.
Speaker 1: He catch your eye there as well. Oh yeah, I'm obvious.
Speaker 1: And you know, the day we got there, one of
Speaker 1: our scouts told me he didn't even say his name.
Speaker 1: He's like, watch the Temple kid. Yeah, and uh people,
Speaker 1: and it kind of it's funny. It's funny how that
Speaker 1: happens is and and rightfully so, I mean, he had
Speaker 1: a great week, but you know, the wheels start turning,
Speaker 1: and you know you didn't know his name when you
Speaker 1: got there on Monday, and now everybody's all over right
Speaker 1: on on the Hassan Reddick train. I'm with you on
Speaker 1: that one. Go ahead. Next guy. Uh, a guy that
Speaker 1: you guys probably saw a little bit in college, Duke Riley.
Speaker 1: How about that former former Tiger buy you Tiger? Uh?
Speaker 1: This guy? We were watching him in from the press box, sure,
Speaker 1: and I'm looking. I'm watching him like, you know, who's
Speaker 1: this number eleven? And I'm cam fired out of my roster.
Speaker 1: But he had his jersey rolled up is actually number
Speaker 1: zero zero? He was making plays all over and run, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he can run. And so he's a guy that you
Speaker 1: look at his maybe a sub package player earlier in
Speaker 1: his career, but he's going to compete for starting snaps
Speaker 1: once he gets to an NFL team. What's really funny
Speaker 1: to me is I think Duke Riley is a very
Speaker 1: similar player to Debo Jones. And I mean they played.
Speaker 1: But the funny and I'm gonna mea culpa because you
Speaker 1: can go back and listen to draft shows from last year.
Speaker 1: I was like, like, I like Dion Jones a lot.
Speaker 1: He's a great athlete. I don't maybe defensive rookie of
Speaker 1: the Year, but I didn't think that back in January
Speaker 1: of twenty six. I was like, you know, he'll he'll
Speaker 1: make an NFL team, He'll be a good player. He'll
Speaker 1: be he'll be like a Keith Smith, try hard, maybe
Speaker 1: find a role for himself kind of guy. I certainly
Speaker 1: didn't think he re interceptions, two touchdown returns, he hundred tackles.
Speaker 1: He had an amazing year. And so that comparison to
Speaker 1: Debo Jones for Duke Riley is a lot more favorable
Speaker 1: right now than it might have been a year and
Speaker 1: a lot of credit to both of them. They took
Speaker 1: advantage of opportunities. You know, Jones didn't start until a
Speaker 1: senior year, and with Riley kind of similar. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's so many athletes on that LSU defense had to
Speaker 1: wait his turn. When he finally got the opportunity, he
Speaker 1: blew up and I think he only helped himself with
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, just like Jones did a year ago.
Speaker 1: So another guy I want to mention you talked about
Speaker 1: the tight ends, how deep of a group it is.
Speaker 1: This year. Oj Howard was a top guy and he easily.
Speaker 1: You know a guy we could talk about, but I
Speaker 1: think we've talked about him enough. Another tight end I
Speaker 1: want to talk about as John new Smith from Florida International.
Speaker 1: Not the biggest guy, a little undersized, but he's an athlete.
Speaker 1: He can move, he can create spacing in his routes.
Speaker 1: I think John new Smith is a guy who helped himself,
Speaker 1: where maybe a player like Clemson's Jordan Leggett he decided
Speaker 1: not to go, Smith might have passed him in some
Speaker 1: people's minds on the tight end ranking. So I thought
Speaker 1: Smith definitely made some money in mobile. Dave, you get
Speaker 1: a couple of guys in mind, just yeah, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: take this opportunity to pat myself on the back because
Speaker 1: last week, before Dane left the Senior Bowl, we talked
Speaker 1: a lot about Kareem Hunt. Yeah when and I mean
Speaker 1: he had a great week of practice, but then he
Speaker 1: went and balled out in the game too. Very well. Yes,
Speaker 1: you know, I had this like pipe dream that he
Speaker 1: could slip and be a feasible pick for the Cowboys
Speaker 1: in the fourth or fifth round. But I mean, if
Speaker 1: he keeps that moment, I'm going maybe not. I don't know,
Speaker 1: he looked really good. I still think third fourth round
Speaker 1: is where he's gonna be viewed. But yeah, the third
Speaker 1: third is rich for me for a team that has
Speaker 1: Ezekiel Elliott, right, and I mean more power to him.
Speaker 1: Get your money, dude, And speaking about this team specifically
Speaker 1: picking in a later portion of the round, good point.
Speaker 1: Probably have to get him in the third round if
Speaker 1: you want him. But we had my favorite, uh Toledo
Speaker 1: running back Cream Hunt. My favorite stat for him eight
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty six offensive touches in his career, not
Speaker 1: having one fumble one that game that freshman any and
Speaker 1: he recovered it. So this guy is proved to be
Speaker 1: a three down player over his career. But then also
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl, he can catch the ball. He's
Speaker 1: a blocker, he's has the ball security that you want.
Speaker 1: Then he's also a darn good runner. Yeah, the part,
Speaker 1: the part you talked about the block I love the
Speaker 1: one on one against the linebackers. He was stone in
Speaker 1: those linebackers. That's that's tough drill for Yeah, it is
Speaker 1: they're out there in space or by themselves, no help.
Speaker 1: And you get a linebacker that gets a run on you.
Speaker 1: Do you have anybody else there, Dave. I actually, and
Speaker 1: I'm going back to what we talked about, and I
Speaker 1: know you wrote about him. What did you I mean
Speaker 1: when you had a better chance to look Jordan Willis? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I seem like I mean, and I didn't watch the
Speaker 1: whole Senior Bowl. Yeah, I wrote the thing. Jordan Willis
Speaker 1: I thought played well in the game. Dane and I
Speaker 1: were having this discussion about him or where he really fits.
Speaker 1: He plays as a left defensive end for Kansas State.
Speaker 1: Do you think he could be right in worthy? Dane
Speaker 1: doesn't think and correct me if I'm wrong. This is
Speaker 1: you know the bend? Do you see the bend from
Speaker 1: this player? Or do you see a guy that consistently
Speaker 1: goes past the quarterback and then has to come back.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are aware watching the
Speaker 1: game of Jordan Willis. I thought he played with a
Speaker 1: little bit more bend on tape. That that's me. But
Speaker 1: you know, I understand your concerns because what you were
Speaker 1: talking about pre show was, Yeah, there are times when
Speaker 1: you see him have to rush, he rushes up the field.
Speaker 1: Where's the point where he gets to the quarterback? Right?
Speaker 1: Where does he find his path at that way? So
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean we always talk about left
Speaker 1: ends right ends. What is he? I kind of think
Speaker 1: that he could do both, But to me, he's more
Speaker 1: of a left end, and he's two hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: five pounds right and he has powerful hands, and I
Speaker 1: love his get off. I mean, he bursts off the
Speaker 1: ball and he plays the motor that you want. He's
Speaker 1: a great individual as well. I mean Bill Snyder raves
Speaker 1: about him as a person. But I do see some
Speaker 1: stiffness in his pass rush. You know, there are some
Speaker 1: times we just cannot bend around that corner and win
Speaker 1: the arc. This passions class is so loaded, right, and
Speaker 1: so this guy, for me, I like him, But when
Speaker 1: you put him in context of the other rushers in
Speaker 1: this class pass rushers, you know, he's down outside my
Speaker 1: top fifteen right at the position just because it's so loaded.
Speaker 1: So I liked the player, I just think there will
Speaker 1: be probably more people that like him more than I
Speaker 1: play the game with me than Dane. If you had Charlton,
Speaker 1: Willis and Hall play that game with me, Charlton, to me,
Speaker 1: is the top guy of that group, a left end
Speaker 1: who's going to continue to get better as a pass
Speaker 1: rusher end run defender Hall Hall is interesting. Um, I
Speaker 1: think there's a little more ability, a little bit more
Speaker 1: untapped potential there. So I give him the edge and
Speaker 1: then Willis would be third from Okay that group? Well
Speaker 1: you no, no, I don't. I had it. I had it,
Speaker 1: Charlton Willison Hall Is how I had it. You have
Speaker 1: Willis more like in the third I have I have
Speaker 1: I you know, we were talking about two three right
Speaker 1: like I had him. I had Charlton Wilson Hall All
Speaker 1: in the second round. Okay, So we'll see, we'll see
Speaker 1: how that goes. My guys. I liked I agree with
Speaker 1: you guys about Hunt. I thought Zay Jones helped himself
Speaker 1: a little bit, you know, with what he was able
Speaker 1: to do catching all the ball, the adjustments, things like that.
Speaker 1: I really don't know what he runs. His speed is
Speaker 1: four or five? Three is what scouts were working on
Speaker 1: all year. I don't know, you know, I mean, you
Speaker 1: don't see when you watch this tape, you don't see
Speaker 1: him always separate. And when there were times at the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl when they contested with him, he had some problems,
Speaker 1: but he did make some contested catches in the games.
Speaker 1: I think another guy helped himself was Chad Williams from Gramblin.
Speaker 1: Glad you mentioned him, I don't. I really didn't know
Speaker 1: much about Chad Williams from Gramblin wide receiver. I didn't
Speaker 1: know much, but I thought practice he only had one
Speaker 1: catch for eleven yards. But I thought the week, I
Speaker 1: thought he was going to have a big I thought
Speaker 1: he was going to have a big game. The way
Speaker 1: that he was practicing, the way they were throwing the
Speaker 1: football to him, he found ways to get open it did.
Speaker 1: He showed he belonged. I'd only seen one game tape
Speaker 1: of him going into the week, but it did not
Speaker 1: take long for him to show that he belonged with
Speaker 1: these other FBS talents. A guy who didn't look out
Speaker 1: of place physically athletically, the way he was tracking the ball,
Speaker 1: making contested grabs. Absolutely, I thought he helped himself. Just
Speaker 1: want to say for nobody blames y'all. I mean it's
Speaker 1: Grambling like he can't get to every prospect in January. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like you got time. But it's nice to see. It's
Speaker 1: nice to see Grambling get backed the inn. You know,
Speaker 1: Grammlin had a successful seasons. Success will campaign so nice sack. Yeah,
Speaker 1: nice to see Gramlin get back. And I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: this guy's name wrong, so Dave correct me on this.
Speaker 1: It's our Florida linebacker, Alex Anzeloni, got it right, Alex Anzeloni, linebacker, Florida,
Speaker 1: six four, two hundred and forty pounds, right around playing
Speaker 1: as an inside linebacker kind of thing. He needs to
Speaker 1: play on the outside. But I saw a guy that
Speaker 1: usually tall linebackers inside don't usually make it. This kid
Speaker 1: gets the football, though. I don't know how much you.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure you've studied his game and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. Is the tape gonna be different. He showed
Speaker 1: up watching practice to me, but then showed up even
Speaker 1: more in the game. That's what kind of where I was.
Speaker 1: You know, maybe he's not a guy that's gonna be
Speaker 1: a you know, a second day guy or even a
Speaker 1: you know, third day guy. He's got a good tape,
Speaker 1: and I think he was one of the top three
Speaker 1: linebackers in Mobile. Biggest thing with him is durability this
Speaker 1: guy has, so he's a banged up guy, laundry list
Speaker 1: of injuries, a guy who doesn't have that indestructible body
Speaker 1: type for a big guy. He's not like that right exactly.
Speaker 1: Hisstory shoulder issues, arm issues, So that's going to be
Speaker 1: the biggest hurdle for him. But when you just talk
Speaker 1: about the on field talent, he's a darn good player. Okay,
Speaker 1: losers get a couple of losers and losers. I don't
Speaker 1: mean this in disrespect, No, I mean things that disappointed
Speaker 1: you about the gay. It could be play, it could
Speaker 1: be injury. I put a couple of guys in there
Speaker 1: because of injury. Yeah, I thought about that. I feel
Speaker 1: bad docking guys for getting hurt, though, I mean I
Speaker 1: felt Okay, loser is the wrong word for that, but
Speaker 1: I wanted to see forced Lamp play guard. I did.
Speaker 1: I really did. I mean, I mean I was ready
Speaker 1: for him to come in there. He's a tackle from
Speaker 1: Western Kentucky, and you don't see him get to play
Speaker 1: that that. I was hopeful. I was really I was
Speaker 1: kind of thinking that maybe this would be an opportunity
Speaker 1: to a better evaluate him playing his guard. So I'm
Speaker 1: calling him a loser. I'm calling me a loser because
Speaker 1: I didn't get to see him play. Everybody's a loser
Speaker 1: for not getting to evaluate him, is what you're saying
Speaker 1: exactly for me, there were a couple of guys that
Speaker 1: weren't not losers for me. I don't think they lost
Speaker 1: money by any means. I just wanted to see more
Speaker 1: all Texas, A and M. He flashed, he was inconsistent
Speaker 1: there for whatever. That's um Antonio Garcia from Troy, a
Speaker 1: tackle who kind of up and down. A lot of
Speaker 1: people like him. But yeah, he struggled. I think to
Speaker 1: me that matches the tape. I really wanted him to
Speaker 1: wow me this week, and I didn't do it. He
Speaker 1: didn't do it. Yeah. Taywan Taylor, the Western Kentucky receiver,
Speaker 1: guy we both liked on tape, right, he was non
Speaker 1: existent not I mean, we talked about Cooper Cup, we
Speaker 1: talked about Zay Jones, but one Taylor was a receiver
Speaker 1: we didn't talk much. How about Darrell Dave. We talked
Speaker 1: about him on Thursday night. He was really non existent player.
Speaker 1: I know. I didn't go into the Senior Bowl thinking
Speaker 1: he was like a beast though. To be totally honest
Speaker 1: with you, but yeah, no, I mean, but in a
Speaker 1: group of receivers that had the opportunity in a bad week,
Speaker 1: I gotta well, you guys tell me if I'm crazy,
Speaker 1: because this is the guy that written, well, thanks Dan,
Speaker 1: this is the guy that jumped out to me when
Speaker 1: you told me we were doing this, and like he
Speaker 1: didn't have a bad week and we talked about how
Speaker 1: like you don't even know where to play him anyway,
Speaker 1: But like Desmond King, see, I had him as on
Speaker 1: my list too, I had him at number five on
Speaker 1: my list. I just and like I said, like, I
Speaker 1: don't think he was bad, but I'm I would argue
Speaker 1: he's probably one of the most known names on that
Speaker 1: rout out. Wow, how about how about a go make
Speaker 1: a play on yeah Flash. This is some guys junior
Speaker 1: that I thought it was a better player. He's a
Speaker 1: Thorpe winner, He's won the Jim Thorpe Award. Anyone who
Speaker 1: starties on tape knows him. He's not a burner that's
Speaker 1: not going to run well right exactly. So when he
Speaker 1: was up in press coverage and he didn't land his jam,
Speaker 1: and you know, receivers are able to gain a free release,
Speaker 1: he couldn't do anything about it. He couldn't recover, He
Speaker 1: couldn't you know, be a factor at the catchpoint. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's fair to mention him as a guy
Speaker 1: who who probably hurt himself, although it's just that's kind
Speaker 1: of his game. Uh, you know, he's probably a better
Speaker 1: safety is a safety and Myra Kings, if he's gonna
Speaker 1: stay at corner, probably a Cover two type of corner,
Speaker 1: a guy that you know he's physical, but you don't
Speaker 1: necessarily want him up pressing because if he gets beats.
Speaker 1: Do either of you, sorry Brian, do either of you
Speaker 1: think he's got a realistic chance even if you're drafting
Speaker 1: in to play safety at being a first round pick. No,
Speaker 1: probably not, not with the two safety. So you're probably
Speaker 1: gonna take him the first round. And I guess an
Speaker 1: LSU kid and the Ohio State kid now they'll have
Speaker 1: to get into that. I'm sure there'll be a question
Speaker 1: on Twitter on the twenty about that. It's harsh, it's harsh,
Speaker 1: but I mean King is a loser because of that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean he a lot of people thought he would
Speaker 1: be a first round pick, especially if he had come
Speaker 1: out last year. I'd say that he's more of a
Speaker 1: loser because he didn't come out last year and came
Speaker 1: back for you know, he went came back for a
Speaker 1: senior year. Got his degree. Yeah. I know we're sitting
Speaker 1: here like blast right guy, No, but we're also talking
Speaker 1: about drafted players to help our team win. Yeah, I'll
Speaker 1: be better at a player like this who needs a
Speaker 1: specific landing spot and a specific role. I just hope
Speaker 1: he goes to the right spot where you know he's scheme, yeah,
Speaker 1: or exactly so he can he can flourish because he
Speaker 1: has skills. About my about my tackle guard from pitt Business, Watty,
Speaker 1: how about that? Not a great not a great week? Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I was kind of thinking that he was going
Speaker 1: to be a guy that maybe if you're looking for
Speaker 1: a swing player. He looked bad at guard, didn't look
Speaker 1: great at tackle. Didn't think he played with any power. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's an anchor to meet inside the guard,
Speaker 1: and he doesn't have the length to stay at tackle.
Speaker 1: I don't know what you do with him. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: did not have himself a good week. Really, you look
Speaker 1: at all these tackles I mentioned, Garcia Business Watty, uh,
Speaker 1: the Buckano kid Davenport, I didn't have a great week.
Speaker 1: I didn't think Connor McDermott from UCLA had a good week.
Speaker 1: Better in the game, I watched him in the game.
Speaker 1: Just better in the game. But you're right, I'm not
Speaker 1: I'm not discounting what you're saying. Just better in the game.
Speaker 1: The only tackle who I saw that I really came
Speaker 1: away saying, Okay, I liked what I saw was Taylor
Speaker 1: Moton from Western Michigan, a guy who a lot of
Speaker 1: people think he's a better guard, but I like him
Speaker 1: at right tackle. I don't think I don't disagree with you.
Speaker 1: I think I think he's all right. Okay, Well, that's
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Speaker 1: pertinent news. Doug wants to know, a lot of other
Speaker 1: people want to know. We talked about it in the
Speaker 1: mail bag today. News coming out that Malie Cooker, widely
Speaker 1: regarded as the top or one of the top safeties
Speaker 1: in this draft, is having surgery on his labor, labor
Speaker 1: and hernia as well. Yeah, what does that mean for
Speaker 1: him going forward? I mean we still got about a
Speaker 1: month till the combine. Means he misses the combine, it's
Speaker 1: not going to work out. Yeah, Well, that's the biggest
Speaker 1: worry is he won't be able to work out prior
Speaker 1: to the draft. And so you're taking a player that
Speaker 1: you're going strictly based off one year of tape because
Speaker 1: he this is he was a one year starter at
Speaker 1: Ohio State, a redshirt sophomore, so a young player. Uh,
Speaker 1: and having the two surgeries, the torn labram and the
Speaker 1: hernia there, you know there are question marks here. Um now,
Speaker 1: will this is this going to drastically push him down
Speaker 1: the board? Doubtful. As long as we go to the
Speaker 1: combine and you know everything checks out okay as being
Speaker 1: on pace and with his rehab, he's still going to
Speaker 1: be a top half of round one. Now, this isn't
Speaker 1: going to help the Cowboys, but it could help a
Speaker 1: team like the Brown at number twelve. You know, you
Speaker 1: never know, Malie Cooker could fall to them at number twelve.
Speaker 1: They could gut a discount on the player because of
Speaker 1: this injury. So it will be something that we have
Speaker 1: to monitor. But we'll learn more about it in Indianapolis.
Speaker 1: Do you have him as your top free safety and
Speaker 1: Adams is your top strong safety or do you have
Speaker 1: them paired together? I like to rank my just like
Speaker 1: I do my linebackers. I just put them all together. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And do you have Hooker over Adams? Yes, because a
Speaker 1: lot of these guys who can play both. I think
Speaker 1: Adams could realistic play both. Sure, he's a better strong
Speaker 1: than free, but I think he can play both hooker
Speaker 1: a better free obviously, but I think he's a top
Speaker 1: safety this year. Those ball skills, that range, he just
Speaker 1: can't teach that. Yeah, I think so too. I have
Speaker 1: him as my end and people were asking me on
Speaker 1: Twitter whether I felt like that he would drop to
Speaker 1: twenty eight. I think you're I think you're accurately accurately,
Speaker 1: I think you're accurate in your statement that he's probably
Speaker 1: now more of a mid round type of a player
Speaker 1: than he is, say the upper top of the draft.
Speaker 1: If he falls to twenty eight, you probably don't want
Speaker 1: him because he's falling for a reason. Yeah, so, yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I would I let's consider him
Speaker 1: at twenty eight though, if that medical stuff checks out.
Speaker 1: I mean, this team is that this is gonna be
Speaker 1: another one. I mean every year there's something where, like,
Speaker 1: you know, the questions about this won't be let me
Speaker 1: let me tell you this guy's draft to get ready for,
Speaker 1: and let me tell you this get ready for more.
Speaker 1: I think there's gonna be two or three more. Uh.
Speaker 1: Medical questions of top shots always are I say every year,
Speaker 1: and I think there's and I'm just kind of hearing
Speaker 1: some whispers. So I don't really want to get into names,
Speaker 1: but I just think you have to be ready that
Speaker 1: there's gonna be when we get to the combine here
Speaker 1: and we'll be there every day. Spill your secrets, Brough.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you guys off air, but you know, especially
Speaker 1: the contact guys, running backs, the linebackers, guys that are
Speaker 1: used to take a lot of abuse. Ji, Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: All right, go ahead, David. I got a fun hypothetical
Speaker 1: here from the kawayat kawaiat Storm who appears to be
Speaker 1: a Spurs fan. He wants to know if Tack McKinley,
Speaker 1: Cory Davis, and O. J. Howard are all there at
Speaker 1: twenty eight, who do you like? Speaking of injury guys,
Speaker 1: Tack Kinley with what's going on with him? Well, another
Speaker 1: wait and see situation, Um, another laboring problem is well right, um,
Speaker 1: and he to my knowledge, he has not got surgery yet.
Speaker 1: He's waiting on like a second opinion and figuring out
Speaker 1: what the best best way to go defense is what
Speaker 1: this team needs at twenty eight. Right, there's no question
Speaker 1: about that. But if an offensive playmaker falls to you
Speaker 1: at twenty eight, you know you don't turn your head
Speaker 1: at that And if somehow Corey Davis falls at twenty eight,
Speaker 1: That's what I'm thinking. I don't think there's there's just
Speaker 1: a very very small chance he would fall that far.
Speaker 1: If he would, you don't even think about it. He's
Speaker 1: the pick, at least in my opinion. You can I
Speaker 1: ask you a question, what do you got? And you
Speaker 1: got Howard? And you had this Miami kid in Juku? No, no, no, sorry,
Speaker 1: I got a question about that. You're all right, well
Speaker 1: let's just get right there then, all right, go ahead,
Speaker 1: your heads in the right play because I want to
Speaker 1: ask him. I agree with you on Davis by the
Speaker 1: LP eighty one wants you to basically break down in
Speaker 1: Joku versus Howard. What are we dealing with? Types of player?
Speaker 1: Who do you like more? Blah blah blah and JOKEU
Speaker 1: is just such a physical freak. He's so athletic for
Speaker 1: a guy that's you know, two hundred forty two hundred
Speaker 1: forty five pounds. Eager to get to India to see
Speaker 1: the exact measurements on him. This is a state national
Speaker 1: champion high jumper, yeah, high school. You can see it
Speaker 1: with the way he plays right in his route acceleration.
Speaker 1: How fluid. He is. His catching runs skills, He's a
Speaker 1: tough blocker. He needs a lot of work in that area.
Speaker 1: But he's only twenty years old, has only nine starts
Speaker 1: in his career at Miami. The production isn't amazing, but
Speaker 1: you look all of his production last year, almost a
Speaker 1: fifth of his total production, his catches went for at
Speaker 1: least thirty yards. It's a big play threat. He's right now.
Speaker 1: Oj Howard's a better player long term. It's hard not
Speaker 1: to believe this guy's not the better player. I tweeted
Speaker 1: this out this morning, but I had a scout tell
Speaker 1: me that their tight ends coach said, and Joku has
Speaker 1: the most upside of any tight end he's ever seen.
Speaker 1: That is that's that is That's accurate. He's just's very
Speaker 1: big with the natural tools, and so there is, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, some some question there if you know, obviously
Speaker 1: he has to reach the potential, but the tools are
Speaker 1: just outstanding. And that's not to say Howard doesn't have
Speaker 1: a lot of those tools to be a successful pro.
Speaker 1: But I don't think he has the same type of
Speaker 1: ceiling as in Joku. Is that That's the most fascinating
Speaker 1: component of draft talk right there? Is like ceiling verse floor,
Speaker 1: like like the Bosa thing last year. It's like maybe
Speaker 1: he doesn't have the ceiling of like a jadeveon Clowney,
Speaker 1: but he's got the ridiculously high floor, Like what do
Speaker 1: you value more? And actually, and I know he's not healthy,
Speaker 1: so it doesn't matter. But if Jake Butt was healthy,
Speaker 1: I mean, based on what y'all are telling me, I
Speaker 1: would still have Howard. I'd say he's Miami and easily third. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: But would you argue that he's got a higher floor
Speaker 1: in terms of like you know what he is and
Speaker 1: you know what he'll be or is that projecting too much? Then?
Speaker 1: And Joeku, I'd say, definitely Howard, I think he's got
Speaker 1: He's a polished guy in a lot of respects. I
Speaker 1: think he's him and but both have I think high ceilings.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not she's worried about you know who
Speaker 1: they're gonna be as pro But you know with the
Speaker 1: thing with Butt though, is and scouts are pointing this
Speaker 1: out to me. When you watch him play, it's a
Speaker 1: lot of the underneath stuff. Yeah, it's a lot of
Speaker 1: drags and things like that cutting where Howard is more
Speaker 1: of a down the field. Now they'll throw some waggles
Speaker 1: and stuff where Howard drags, but his stuff seems to
Speaker 1: be more down the field. I know. But but can
Speaker 1: make plays down tofild. I'm not saying he can't, but
Speaker 1: I think that you see with Howard, you know, I'll
Speaker 1: tell you where I said this too in our shows.
Speaker 1: I felt like that the that the Browns coach just
Speaker 1: did Howard a favor playing him in line. I thought
Speaker 1: that showed scouts hand on the ground playing next to
Speaker 1: a tackle making things happen in the running game. I
Speaker 1: think that the Browns did him a huge favor by
Speaker 1: doing that, and he responded by playing well. Yea his
Speaker 1: release off the line of scrimmage, She's still able to
Speaker 1: gain separation with ease during drills. Yeah, o J. Howard
Speaker 1: only cemented himself at the top senior tight end, and
Speaker 1: really he's just battling in Joku to be that top
Speaker 1: tight end. Drafted, I think both realistically could be looked
Speaker 1: at as a top twenty pick. I don't sit there
Speaker 1: if you know, if you lose Howard and Joku, I
Speaker 1: don't know if I would be totally disappointed looking for
Speaker 1: a tight end and picking him. I think I think
Speaker 1: they're very I think they're very close the Miami kid. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah they are. It's on what y'all are
Speaker 1: telling me. Yeah, I mean, if you're if you lose,
Speaker 1: and I think Howard's gone before Dallas picks twenty eight.
Speaker 1: But you're where does this guy go? This guy could
Speaker 1: be This guy to me, could be at the bottom
Speaker 1: of the first rounde I'll be surprised if he gets
Speaker 1: that far. I think he's gonna do you think he's
Speaker 1: maybe top twenty, Yeah, I think I think it's gonna
Speaker 1: be like this might be an Eric Ebron situation where
Speaker 1: I was tenth, right. I maybe my memory sucks, but like,
Speaker 1: when was the last time you saw two tight ends
Speaker 1: go in the top? I mean, I know we've had
Speaker 1: Eifford and ERTs in recent years, but I mean, it
Speaker 1: seems unusual to have like two or three tight ends
Speaker 1: go in the top. It is first round, No, there's
Speaker 1: no question it is. And I think but they're athletes. Now,
Speaker 1: this would be they're like big wide receivers rightly, and
Speaker 1: this year we might have six tight ends drafted in
Speaker 1: the first two rounds, and that would be the first
Speaker 1: time that's happened since nineteen seventy three. So yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: and especially at the top of those two guys, I
Speaker 1: think and Joku is going to absolutely blow up the combine.
Speaker 1: And I think it's gonna put a further separation between
Speaker 1: and Joku in that twenty eighth pick. I think he's
Speaker 1: gonna be long gone. Yeah. See. The thing about it
Speaker 1: too is Howard will compete to Howard will go out
Speaker 1: there and there'll be two guys going at it and you,
Speaker 1: and then when we get there, and when we get
Speaker 1: to the we have our shows, all of a sudden
Speaker 1: we'll be talking about, well, hey, what do you think?
Speaker 1: And then you're mentioned about the tight the other tight ends.
Speaker 1: And that's not to say that the other tight ends
Speaker 1: won't be you know, won't be just talked about just
Speaker 1: as much. And that's the thing is, that's the reason
Speaker 1: not to take one of these guys high, because it
Speaker 1: is a deep tight end class. So in Evan ingram A,
Speaker 1: Bucky Hodges, John new Smith, Gerald Everett, the kid from
Speaker 1: South Alabama, you can get these guys second, third, fourth rounds,
Speaker 1: and there they might not be as good as a
Speaker 1: Howard or in Joku, they're still pretty darn good tight ends.
Speaker 1: I can imagine somebody somewhere is just like, the Cowboys
Speaker 1: don't need tight end and stop talking about this. So
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna move on, move on, Sean. This
Speaker 1: is a tricky question. The wording I mean, Sean. He
Speaker 1: basically wants to know you think about the positions of
Speaker 1: need that we're thinking about here, pass rusher, wide receiver, cornerback, safety, safety. Sure,
Speaker 1: of all of the positions that you think the Cowboys need,
Speaker 1: which one do you think sets up to where it
Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprising to see them pass in the first round.
Speaker 1: So what I'm trying to say is a position that
Speaker 1: you really don't feel good about a prospect being there
Speaker 1: at twenty eight, we just say tight end. I would
Speaker 1: say tight end. Yeah, I think Howard and Jokeu are
Speaker 1: both gone, and you know it's too rich for a
Speaker 1: butt or these other guys, So I think you know, okay,
Speaker 1: let's just let's talk about the top five needs at
Speaker 1: this point. I mean, you're looking at pass rusher, you're right, corner,
Speaker 1: you're looking at tight end. Probably safety's in there, depending
Speaker 1: on what moves are made here in the off season,
Speaker 1: and then wide receiver maybe so, uh, you know, I
Speaker 1: think tight end probably would make the most sense there,
Speaker 1: and then after that maybe wide receiver. So, you know,
Speaker 1: looking two guys on two guys on all, did you
Speaker 1: feel good at twenty eight picking White? Yeah, Travis White
Speaker 1: or Sidney Jones at twenty eight? Yeah? I think so,
Speaker 1: see okay, and I feel fantastic about the thoughts thought
Speaker 1: of a good corner being there at twenty eight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it just seems so loaded. Uh do you and I
Speaker 1: know Brian feels the same way about pass Rusher or
Speaker 1: you You've said that in the Yeah, I think. So
Speaker 1: do you feel that way? Like, do you think there's
Speaker 1: a really good chance that a guy that you like
Speaker 1: will be there at twenty eight? Yeah? I do. Pass
Speaker 1: rusher is just so loaded. I mean, you can go.
Speaker 1: I mean, let's see any first round grades I have
Speaker 1: at first at pass rushing. We talked about McKinley, potentially
Speaker 1: I have ten first round grade. Yeah, pass rusher, and
Speaker 1: so there's a great chance when he's got you know,
Speaker 1: like carl Lawson loss, Yeah, I think he could be there,
Speaker 1: tack McKinley. I think Taco Charlton probably goes top twenty five.
Speaker 1: But Tim Williams with his issues. See Tim Williams is
Speaker 1: the one I absolutely love, and I hate the fact
Speaker 1: that he has all these red flags right that, because
Speaker 1: to me, you watch Tim Williams play at Alabama, you
Speaker 1: you're like, WHOA, I get it, speed, explosiveness, finish, just
Speaker 1: all around game right there. But the fact that he's
Speaker 1: got so many red flags right there's I don't think
Speaker 1: there's any way the Cowboys can take him, not after
Speaker 1: after Gregory. There's no way. Yeah, no way they could
Speaker 1: take because this is a legitimate top ten, top fifteen
Speaker 1: type of player in this draft. So if he's availed
Speaker 1: about twenty eight, there's a reason for that. Sure, So
Speaker 1: you know, I don't they can't fall in that trap again. Oh,
Speaker 1: they won't fall there, he said, I mean you said tack,
Speaker 1: you said losson Tim Taco anybody else? Charles Harrison Missouri, Missouri. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he's in the in that smooth Maybe are
Speaker 1: you having the third? I have more of a two
Speaker 1: three on him. Derek Barnett a guy who isn't gonna
Speaker 1: wow with his You know, his tape is amazing, but
Speaker 1: he's in it. The production's outstanding, But I don't think
Speaker 1: he's gonna wow with the you know, the testing drills
Speaker 1: at the combine. I don't think he falls to twenty eight,
Speaker 1: but you never know. I didn't think Byron Jones would fall.
Speaker 1: Would you take him a twenty eight? Because I had
Speaker 1: people Barnette, Yeah, I had people on Twitter asked me
Speaker 1: about him. I don't gonna make it that far. But
Speaker 1: if he somehow he did, absolutely I need to rewatch him.
Speaker 1: I didn't have a good I didn't have a good
Speaker 1: view of him initially. I and I'm watching other I'm
Speaker 1: watching tackles play. I was watching some offensive tackles and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden he was one of how the
Speaker 1: tapes are cut, you know, he all of a sudden
Speaker 1: he's busting by one of these tackles. I'm going, Oh,
Speaker 1: that's Barnett. I have people like trying to compare him
Speaker 1: and Garrett because of the production and trying to tell
Speaker 1: me Barnett's better, and I mean it's not even close
Speaker 1: to me, Miles. Garrett's head and shoulders above the bend.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about though? Is that the question I think
Speaker 1: people some people think I don't like Barnett. I love him.
Speaker 1: If he's there twenty eight. Oh my gosh. Absolutely. I
Speaker 1: just note David Dane, this is a very Cowboys centric question,
Speaker 1: So I apologize, but I think it's worth talking about
Speaker 1: just in the grand scheme of things. We've talked about
Speaker 1: it a lot. I apologize, Brian, but the Lyle Collins
Speaker 1: saga sure talk a lot about the problem. I mean,
Speaker 1: what happens to Leary? Do you try to keep Leary here?
Speaker 1: Does he leaving free agency? Do you consider playing Lyle
Speaker 1: to Collins at right tackle, and you know, as his
Speaker 1: long term future? And I think that's important because if
Speaker 1: any of that were to happen, guard suddenly becomes somewhat
Speaker 1: of a problem for you. Sure, And so I mean,
Speaker 1: do you do you what do you see happening there?
Speaker 1: Do you think there's even any anything there at all?
Speaker 1: I don't. I think this is crystal clear. I think
Speaker 1: he's going to play guard. I think Ron Leary's going
Speaker 1: to get a sizeable contract offer from somebody else. I
Speaker 1: think Lyle Collins's skill set suits him really well to
Speaker 1: be a very powerful and athletic guard rather than a
Speaker 1: decent tackle. And I think you still have Jazz Green waiting.
Speaker 1: And yeah, they're not they're not they're they're saying that
Speaker 1: they're not interested right now in talking about that is
Speaker 1: I mean, we asked Steven Stephen Jones at and they're
Speaker 1: not interested right now. Of addressing it now, I will
Speaker 1: say this, They have not met as a staff. They're
Speaker 1: the coaches are due back after the Tuesday after the
Speaker 1: super Bowl, and so they will have their personal meetings
Speaker 1: to talk about their team. But I think in due
Speaker 1: time we will hear. Okay, hey, Lyle Collins could be
Speaker 1: this or could be Jerry. I had Jerry Jones tell
Speaker 1: me he is not interested. And this was a while back.
Speaker 1: Was not interested in moving Lyle Collins to tackle. He
Speaker 1: just was not interested at all. I don't think they should,
Speaker 1: although I will say and last thing on this until
Speaker 1: we have more information, I guess, but I mean, people
Speaker 1: don't want to hear it because of all the defensive
Speaker 1: needs on this team. But if Lyle was to move
Speaker 1: to right tackle, guard becomes a need probably and if
Speaker 1: you keep him at guard, I mean tackle guards in
Speaker 1: this draft, tackle is a sneaky need on this team. Oh,
Speaker 1: tackle too. You can't count on Chad's green, I mean,
Speaker 1: and Doug's got a year left on his deal. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Dane told us that he's often injured, and he was
Speaker 1: absolutely right. He's been two years, he's been hurt two years.
Speaker 1: I don't know how you sit there and think that
Speaker 1: it's gonna change you hope. But offensive lineman when they
Speaker 1: get in the league, they're not supposed to get hurt. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they play, They play eight ten years and they just play.
Speaker 1: They just keep playing. They don't do I mean, they don't.
Speaker 1: You know, Miss Frederick hasn't missed his snap since yeah
Speaker 1: got on the field. They don't. They don't. They don't
Speaker 1: sit there and don't stand next to you and I.
Speaker 1: During practice, Chads Green spent more time on the training
Speaker 1: table at Florida that he did on the field. That's
Speaker 1: in Shane, So I don't. And he's got talent. You
Speaker 1: could see that when he plays. He was worth a
Speaker 1: third round pick in terms of talent in my opinion,
Speaker 1: But I you know, when you factor in the durability,
Speaker 1: that's tough one to swallow. I don't think it's time
Speaker 1: to close the door on him yet, but I would
Speaker 1: not be surprised and I don't think it would be
Speaker 1: a bad idea for the Cowboys to draft an offensive
Speaker 1: lineman in the first half of the draft. Bulls kid
Speaker 1: interest you from Utah at all? Not really. I think
Speaker 1: he's gonna bulls McDermott, any of those guys. I'm not
Speaker 1: a McDermott fan at all. I don't think he has
Speaker 1: the anchor strength to hold up. I think Miles Garrett
Speaker 1: showed exactly all of his weaknesses. Moten was the guy
Speaker 1: that you like. I like Molten quite a bit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you know this tackle class, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of holes. Ramsick the Wisconsin kid. I think you need
Speaker 1: to watch. We go high in the first round, but yeah,
Speaker 1: second third round, not a lot of death that you like.
Speaker 1: But Molten's definitely want to see. I wanted to like
Speaker 1: Banner and you talk me out of that. I watched him.
Speaker 1: He's slow footed, You're right, I mean that's he's a
Speaker 1: guard for me. Yeah, oh really, you know it's just
Speaker 1: a big body who you know it? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just I don't. I have questions about him, but
Speaker 1: I think the more I watched him live, the more
Speaker 1: unlike Danes, right, I should listen to Dane more. Okay,
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Speaker 1: Draft Show, Brian brought us Dame Brugler, David Hellman, Kent
Speaker 1: Kent Garrison executive producer. As always, uh, going to do
Speaker 1: a little game here. Oh, it's a game because you
Speaker 1: don't keep score, but it's always fun to make you
Speaker 1: think out. They always like to try and think outside
Speaker 1: the box a little bit. So everybody loves comparisons. So
Speaker 1: I don't like this game because we're getting ready to
Speaker 1: trash one of my pet cats. Right to start this thing,
Speaker 1: Go ahead, we're talking about all right, So we're comparing
Speaker 1: last year's aspects to guys in this year's class. So
Speaker 1: knowing full well, who would you rather have? Who would
Speaker 1: you rather have? And just take it as take it
Speaker 1: as don't look at the NFL season, but take it
Speaker 1: as who would you rather have at the time of
Speaker 1: the draft, who would you rather have? So we just
Speaker 1: forget what we know last how many months? Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: on the draft? On the draft, good luck blocking that
Speaker 1: out of your right. It's always tough to do that.
Speaker 1: But give it a go, Okay, give it a go. Right,
Speaker 1: Who would you rather have Old miss receiver Laquon Treadwell
Speaker 1: or Clemson receiver Mike Williams. That's a good one. That's
Speaker 1: a very good question. I think we all three of
Speaker 1: us loved Treadwell. We did like so much, and I
Speaker 1: still big big receivers. Both of them are big receivers.
Speaker 1: Both of them make plays down the field, both make
Speaker 1: plays underneath. We're in a little bit of a disadvantage
Speaker 1: because we don't know what Mike Williams. Mike Williams goes
Speaker 1: and runs a four or four nine, then he'll be faster,
Speaker 1: much faster, because we thought, we thought Treadwell would have
Speaker 1: problems with the forty times right, and he was in
Speaker 1: the low four or the high four or five, low four, fives, four, five, seven,
Speaker 1: something like that. So if you know, if Mike Williams
Speaker 1: goes out and you know, improves on that time, I
Speaker 1: think I'd probably lean that way. With Mike Williams, what
Speaker 1: he brings to the field, I think he god, I mean,
Speaker 1: treadwill was just so good on tape, though, going to
Speaker 1: getting football. It's just a big body guy. Either those Williams.
Speaker 1: I mean, you watch Williams that National Championship game. He's
Speaker 1: killing those guys with Alabama. Unbelievable. Yeah, there are guys
Speaker 1: that will consistently separate on their own. You know, they're
Speaker 1: more h They're comfortable with the defender on their back.
Speaker 1: You know they can they can still be a productive
Speaker 1: I think based on I think, uh, Mike Willims a
Speaker 1: little bit more speed, and I think I'd probably lean
Speaker 1: that way. I think you'd lean towards the speed too.
Speaker 1: I think I think just the quicker guy. This is
Speaker 1: in and out of route. I y'all are right, but
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stick with Kwon just kind of loyalty because
Speaker 1: I just I can't abandon him that quickly after how
Speaker 1: much I left him. Yeah, I think the main factor
Speaker 1: between the two is the quickness. That's where I think
Speaker 1: them the main differences. Who would you rather have Ohio
Speaker 1: State cornerback Eli Apple or Ohio State cornerback Marshawn Lattimore.
Speaker 1: I think, good question. I probably try it to scame personally.
Speaker 1: I have Marshawn Lattimore. I keep saying Marcus Latimore. I've
Speaker 1: got to make sure Marshawn Lattimore. I have him with
Speaker 1: a much higher grade than I had on Eli Apple.
Speaker 1: And I liked Apple, I didn't. I liked Apple more
Speaker 1: than you did, much more than I did. But and
Speaker 1: he played well for the job well, I gotta take
Speaker 1: that out of my mind. But I had Apple was
Speaker 1: more of amid the late First. You know a guy
Speaker 1: that you consider somewhere in the top twenty, top twenty five,
Speaker 1: you end up going what ten, so a lot higher
Speaker 1: than you know either of us thought. But I've got
Speaker 1: a Lottimore as a true top ten pick. I got
Speaker 1: you know that athleticism is off the charts. That's actually
Speaker 1: and it worked against you on the last one because
Speaker 1: Treadwell had such a bad rookie year. I thought Apple's
Speaker 1: play as a rookie was far better than what I
Speaker 1: saw from him on tapes. Yeah, I thought the Ohio
Speaker 1: State I thought the Ohio State tape was not great
Speaker 1: for no And I think that Lattimore's tape is. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I agree with Dane. I think if you just
Speaker 1: watching the two on Ohio State tape, I would take
Speaker 1: Lattimore over Apple. Yet Lattimore, I mean, he's like a
Speaker 1: consensus tip ten pick where. I mean, that's why I
Speaker 1: think so if he was in the last year's class,
Speaker 1: he would be over all those guys, the Florida guys,
Speaker 1: and he wouldn't be over Ramsey. I don't think he'd
Speaker 1: be over Robin not probably not over Ramsey. Who would you?
Speaker 1: And this is great because I think this is two
Speaker 1: guys that you don't like, So that's good. Who would
Speaker 1: you rather have? Notre Dame offensive tackle Ronnie Stanley or
Speaker 1: Alabama offensive tackle Cam Robinson Stanley. I don't think this
Speaker 1: one's even that hard. Honestly, you'd rather have, you know that,
Speaker 1: have Stanley over Robinson? I would. I had my problems
Speaker 1: with Stanley. M boy, I had a lot of problems,
Speaker 1: but I and I'm not. I'm not. I don't know
Speaker 1: if Cam Robinson's a first round tackle. Y'all were Ronnie
Speaker 1: Hayters last year? Yeah, I didn't like Ronnie Ronnie Stanley
Speaker 1: as high as he went, um boy, I thought he
Speaker 1: was soft adn't fight. Yeah, I think Cam Robinson at
Speaker 1: least fights. Give me. I would take Ronnie Stanley. I
Speaker 1: think it's pretty that's pretty easy for me. I think
Speaker 1: I Cam Robinson and maybe I'm buy like a lot
Speaker 1: of hype not a lot of substance. I don't Cam Robinson. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you watch his highlights and okay, but then you watch
Speaker 1: the full tape and you're like, I don't know if
Speaker 1: I love this guy. You might not be a first
Speaker 1: round guy. Yeah, I know, but I'm saying I didn't
Speaker 1: think Ronnie Stanley was do youaha? Two? Yeah? See I didn't.
Speaker 1: I just didn't. I just did not see a grind
Speaker 1: you into the ground guy. And I see that a
Speaker 1: little bit more with Robertson. You care more about the
Speaker 1: attitude I do. Yeah. Yeah, I want to see a
Speaker 1: mean so ob play. That's what I want. Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: not wrong. I mean that's what you want in an
Speaker 1: offensive tackle, especially when you're investing a top ten pick in. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but Robinson will be interesting because this is such a
Speaker 1: weak tackle class. Right, He's gonna get bumped up a
Speaker 1: little bit. So we'll see who would you rather have,
Speaker 1: Indiana running back Jordan Howard or Tennessee running back Alvin Kamara.
Speaker 1: I've got a higher grade on Kamara. How do you
Speaker 1: block out this? You know, rookie? See, I know, but
Speaker 1: I think there were some traits that he had Kamara
Speaker 1: as a run, catch block guy exactly, and so is Howard.
Speaker 1: I mean, Howard is a guy that if you watched
Speaker 1: him on Indiana tape, poor Howard would be the toast
Speaker 1: of the NFL if not for Ezekiel Elliott. Right, I
Speaker 1: didn't even know until the last month of the season.
Speaker 1: Why how about Indiana putting out a couple of Coleman
Speaker 1: and Howard back to back. Yeah, and both guys that
Speaker 1: were kind of I don't know Tom or Howard's from
Speaker 1: UAB or you know, come out of nowhere. So with Howard,
Speaker 1: he's got a little more power than Kamara, and I
Speaker 1: think he's more of a true feature back. I mean
Speaker 1: he can be that guy that can carry the ball
Speaker 1: twenty plus times. Again, Kamara, I don't think he's that guy.
Speaker 1: He's never been that guy over his career. I see
Speaker 1: more of a complimentary running back. Um. But with that said,
Speaker 1: I have a higher grade on Kamara than I did Howard.
Speaker 1: But I think I probably just missed on Howard. I
Speaker 1: think I would take I think I would take Howard
Speaker 1: because I kind of liked what I saw from those
Speaker 1: Indiana running backs. I liked what I saw I loved Cole.
Speaker 1: That was my guy, and I liked it in a
Speaker 1: game this Sunday. So I love the run, the run, block,
Speaker 1: catch guy. Give me that guy, and both these guys do.
Speaker 1: It's gonna say you just said Kamara can do all
Speaker 1: the same stuff. He's five of eight. What is five watching?
Speaker 1: He's a little light. You were watching tape of him
Speaker 1: the other day, and he's got some pretty sweet balance.
Speaker 1: He does have some sweet balance absolutely as a catcher
Speaker 1: out of the backfield. Yeah, that's gonna be his bread
Speaker 1: and butter. I think I trend toward younger, newer, So
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna year younger, new shiny toy. Uh. Who
Speaker 1: would you rather have Oklahoma State and Emmanuel Ogba or
Speaker 1: Illinois Duane Smoot. I'm not as big of a Smoot
Speaker 1: fan as as you are, so I Ogba would be
Speaker 1: my cup of tea in that comparison. Um, I think
Speaker 1: you just love a little bit more to what about
Speaker 1: when your boy when your boy white Hair just mauled
Speaker 1: him in that game? My boy white Hair, Yeah he did.
Speaker 1: Ogba he has power, he has Uh. I think a
Speaker 1: little bit more, a few more pass rush weapons to
Speaker 1: work with to beat the tackle. Um. You know, Smoot
Speaker 1: is a nice player. I just don't see is there
Speaker 1: another Is there another guy on the of those defensive
Speaker 1: ends if I could compare him to somebody else? All right, well,
Speaker 1: how about or Charlton. I think I'm taking Agba? Okay,
Speaker 1: I think I am. I didn't like Agba, and I
Speaker 1: mean he proved me wrong. He had a good year
Speaker 1: for a bad team. So but I think I think Agba,
Speaker 1: I think as could play. I think he's a little
Speaker 1: I can't think he'd play right in. I don't know
Speaker 1: if Charlton can play right in. That's a tough one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I really don't these pass rushers are. We're
Speaker 1: gonna be debating in the rest of the way because
Speaker 1: this is tough to figure out, especially when you throw
Speaker 1: in an Agba into the mix. You know where he
Speaker 1: would fit. It just really makes it complicated. There's so
Speaker 1: many because pass rush you win in different ways. You know,
Speaker 1: there's so many different flavors of you know, ways to
Speaker 1: get to the quarterback. And Aga is a perfect example
Speaker 1: of that. He's not a true just you know, speed rusher.
Speaker 1: He's got a little powers, got Ben do him. Um,
Speaker 1: And you know with this class, I don't know where
Speaker 1: he would fit for me. I think somewhere somewhere right
Speaker 1: a round, Taco Charles. That's why I picked the second round.
Speaker 1: We had this all those second round guys. Let me
Speaker 1: first early second, I'm going to derail the game for
Speaker 1: a second. And I know I know what right ends do.
Speaker 1: I know why it's important in the scheme of football.
Speaker 1: I get all that, but for this team, and I
Speaker 1: know de Marcus Lawrence is in a contract here for
Speaker 1: that matter. But with Lawrence and then Mayoa capable of
Speaker 1: doing that, like do you overvalue the right end? Thing?
Speaker 1: Like can't you just get a guy who can rush
Speaker 1: the passer from anywhere? And no that that's that's fair.
Speaker 1: I mean that's fair, and he plays left end, get
Speaker 1: to the quarterback. But I always thought de Marcus Lawrence
Speaker 1: was a better right end. That's how I evaluated, and
Speaker 1: coming out of Boise State, I didn't. I didn't. I
Speaker 1: don't disagree with it. He's had done a nice job
Speaker 1: at left end. Yeah, so no, I think that's a
Speaker 1: great eight sacks had a left end. You got eight
Speaker 1: actually left end and won it, right, I mean, I
Speaker 1: know there's different circumstances work. I mean, he had Hardy
Speaker 1: helping him in twenty fifteen. But at some point, just
Speaker 1: get a guy on the team who can get to
Speaker 1: the quarterback. And if he does it from left end,
Speaker 1: what I mean, let's put it this way. You know,
Speaker 1: is the tandem of Lawrence and Mayowa better at right
Speaker 1: end than I mean, if you get Tyrone Crawford some
Speaker 1: help with a Crawford and if you played David Urban
Speaker 1: over there, well, I can't remember. Do you like Irving
Speaker 1: more attacks? I like him at tackled I like him, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think they like him more. To end, I don't
Speaker 1: know they. I can't get anybody to give me an answer.
Speaker 1: I just get frustrated with the like, well that's not
Speaker 1: his best face. Like, just get a guy in here
Speaker 1: who can rush. Just give me a guy right anyway? Um,
Speaker 1: who do you who would you rather have? Arkansas tight
Speaker 1: end Hunter Henry or Miami tight end David and Joku
Speaker 1: Give me the freak and Joku? Uh both athletes, though
Speaker 1: right a solid athlete. I think it was a terrible blocker.
Speaker 1: I thought he was one of the worst blocking tight
Speaker 1: ends we evaluated, that's for sure. But he has sticky hands,
Speaker 1: and he can get open down the field. I think
Speaker 1: the Charlie good atselves a pretty good tight end in
Speaker 1: the second round. But and joke, who's just at a
Speaker 1: different level. And he's by you know, not a perfect
Speaker 1: player by all. I mean, you're you're really projecting with
Speaker 1: a guy like this. He's a work on his route,
Speaker 1: running his hands only a red shirt sophomore, a young player,
Speaker 1: like I mentioned, twenty years old, so he's not nearly
Speaker 1: as seasoned as a Hunter Henry was entering the league.
Speaker 1: But in terms of upside of potential, gimmeon, Joko, I
Speaker 1: always want upside of potential. Um, who would you rather
Speaker 1: have linebacker Ohio State linebacker Darren Lee or Vanderbilt linebacker
Speaker 1: Zach Cunningham. That's a good one. Where where do you
Speaker 1: stand on this one? Brian? I love you know me.
Speaker 1: I love Cunningham and I and I really but I
Speaker 1: know you loved Lee because the league, because he the
Speaker 1: playmaking abilities, stuff like right, the ability to run bigger,
Speaker 1: taller guy, rangy guy. I love, I love Cunningham, though
Speaker 1: Cunningham is one of my top five guys overall overall, really,
Speaker 1: if the seventy guys seventy five guys I've seen Right now,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm putting I am done quarterback. I mean there's
Speaker 1: some position I haven't done, but the seventy five guys
Speaker 1: I've seen, I would put him in my top. I
Speaker 1: thought I loved Cunningham. I've been talking about him all year,
Speaker 1: and I thought I liked him a lot. But there
Speaker 1: is something about him that that the length, the build,
Speaker 1: the ability to get to the football, the finish, there's
Speaker 1: watch him. He came in at number sixteen on my board,
Speaker 1: so I thought I liked him more than on Oh
Speaker 1: you're you know you're not alone on this one. You don't, okay,
Speaker 1: if you would not walk alone on this try. Brian
Speaker 1: hasn't watched as many guys as you though, so oh,
Speaker 1: but I've watched seventy five the top guys. So that's
Speaker 1: I mean top five. That that's saying you like him?
Speaker 1: Where do you like? His best fit? Outside? Inside? I
Speaker 1: like him. I have him on my board as an
Speaker 1: outside linebacker, Okay, I like I think he puts on
Speaker 1: a clinic if I had to play the linebacker position.
Speaker 1: He really does that stop against Georgia to win that game,
Speaker 1: unbelievable he is always around the football. He is, I mean,
Speaker 1: and he never comes off the field. You could put
Speaker 1: him in coverage. He'll actually for a big, tall guy,
Speaker 1: he can cover. I think we both agree we'd take
Speaker 1: him over Lee. Yeah, okay, I just I didn't like
Speaker 1: Lee that much. I just wanted to say, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I know, I remember that from last year. Thank you guy.
Speaker 1: You do like though? Would you rather have Kansas State
Speaker 1: offensive lineman Cody white Hair or Ohio State center Pat
Speaker 1: elf Line? Give me white hair? Give me my white
Speaker 1: Hair is one of my pet cats last year. I
Speaker 1: think I had him twenty five overall on my board.
Speaker 1: He end up falling to the second round and the
Speaker 1: Bears got a steal. They put him at center and
Speaker 1: he had a great rookie year. Oh take that out. No,
Speaker 1: he was. He was paying my elf Line close to
Speaker 1: this was a very white hair friendly zone in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 1: That whole show. So yeah, no, we liked him. I
Speaker 1: liked the Ohio State Center myself. I like him, I
Speaker 1: really do, and I and I don't. I don't have
Speaker 1: him in the first round, him as a second round player,
Speaker 1: but I think this guy, I think he's got some
Speaker 1: Travis Frederick traits to him. And I'm not just talking
Speaker 1: big ten traits. I'm talking about mobility, second level block
Speaker 1: snatch guy's position, stand your feet, get outside, they pull him.
Speaker 1: I mean the ball goes to the outside and here
Speaker 1: he's he's running around the corner like you know, like impressive. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he was a guard his entire career up until
Speaker 1: a senior season, so I you know he see him
Speaker 1: in both spots. I agree. I have a two three
Speaker 1: on elf line. I think he can be a solid
Speaker 1: starter in the league. You had a second you had
Speaker 1: him at the top, so you had a like twenty
Speaker 1: five you he's had a first round grade then on
Speaker 1: white hair and white round I did, okay, so I
Speaker 1: gets the edge for me. Yeah, I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: hate white hair, but I wish I had hair. But
Speaker 1: I I you have white hair, I have white hair.
Speaker 1: But I think, to me, I like the traits of
Speaker 1: this line elf line guy. I do. I wish I
Speaker 1: wish he did not. We could have seen him in
Speaker 1: Mobile and he didn't turn down his his invite, but
Speaker 1: unfortunately he did, so Combine will be big for him. Yep.
Speaker 1: Tally that up real quick. I want to say I
Speaker 1: think we took the new guy, or y'all took the
Speaker 1: new guy in five wow, five of eight twenty seventeen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the younger player in five of the eight, you took,
Speaker 1: you took Ronnie Stanley. I think we kind of can
Speaker 1: consensus on Ogba more so than the other guy, Mike Williams.
Speaker 1: There was a split between White heron elf line. Yeah,
Speaker 1: elf Line unanimous for Mike Williams, unanimous for Lattimore. Yeah, Joku, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's fund job. Hey. By the way, too, I know
Speaker 1: people ask us about the segment we have called tell
Speaker 1: me More. Yes, we're gonna do that after the combine,
Speaker 1: when we get there and we have a more idea,
Speaker 1: I feel like, I mean, yeah, obviously we got the
Speaker 1: combin we got three more shows and then we got
Speaker 1: the combay. But yeah, I think that I'd like to
Speaker 1: get there, no a little bit, maybe see some of
Speaker 1: these guys a little bit up close and personal, get
Speaker 1: the visit with them. By the time the combines over,
Speaker 1: I feel like we'll have heard all of the pertinent
Speaker 1: names there are to hear. I mean, for the most part. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Dane Brugler special, like the guy from Montana Tech
Speaker 1: a and m but Brady Gustofs exactly. Oh, no, ask
Speaker 1: him about ask him about Peter Bateman from Minnesota Duluth.
Speaker 1: Peter Bateman, the main character from Office Space. Did you
Speaker 1: watch Peter Bateman from Minnesota Dluth yet? Of course the
Speaker 1: tight end. No, No, he's I have not seen him.
Speaker 1: I've seen him. Oh, he got him? Have you watched him?
Speaker 1: Who is he? He's he's a tackle. He's a tackle.
Speaker 1: That's mind. Why have you watched him? See? No? No,
Speaker 1: you know what I was doing. I was just curious.
Speaker 1: I was just trying to get a little bit more
Speaker 1: depth in my in my board, and I wanted to
Speaker 1: look at a guy and he's a fifth round tackle
Speaker 1: Minnesota Duluth, Peter Bateman. Yeah, you might hate him. He's
Speaker 1: a little at two hundred and ninety pound guy. You know,
Speaker 1: how are you exactly all right? Can't before we get
Speaker 1: out of here, I'm gonna put you on some I'm
Speaker 1: put pressure on you. We have one call. We have
Speaker 1: one call? All right, right, Versa, thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Everybody's doing great, San Antono. Who we got ahead? Go ahead,
Speaker 1: Mike quick question? Where does Jalen Smith go in this draft?
Speaker 1: If he never got injured, and I'll take your call.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much. Excellent question. Decorum. First of all, um, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's exactly how its needs to be done. Just
Speaker 1: ask the question. We move on. I mean, if he's
Speaker 1: if he's completely healthy and he's in this draft, that's
Speaker 1: the quest. I mean, probably number two on my board, yeah, mine,
Speaker 1: Miles Garrett. I think I don't think he drops too far. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he I think he's he's top five. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think you have to take him where
Speaker 1: you took Ezekiel Elliott. I really do. I don't think you.
Speaker 1: I don't think you can. I don't think you could
Speaker 1: go any further past that. So, you know, the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: if this all works out, you know if if if,
Speaker 1: if the big if, if the big if work works out.
Speaker 1: But you gotta remember on their board too, he was there,
Speaker 1: number five, number five. Yeah, he was their fifth best player, Elliott.
Speaker 1: This way the board went Elliott Ramsey to soul Bosa Smith.
Speaker 1: That was her top. That was her five guys, with
Speaker 1: Miles Jack my guy, being number six. All right, that's
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