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Speaker 1: It's the Son of a Botch podcast. It's Wednesday. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Claude Harmon. This week's guest, Mike Walker might

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Speaker 1: not be a household name here in the US, but

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Speaker 1: he is the coach of the US Open champion Matt

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Speaker 1: Fitzpatrick and works with a number of players on the

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Speaker 1: European tour and someone who I get to spend a

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Speaker 1: lot of time with. And UM, you know, I just

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Speaker 1: have a tremendous amount of spect for this guy. Um.

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Speaker 1: I like the way he coaches. UM, I like the

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Speaker 1: way he works with his players, and UM, he's one

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Speaker 1: of those instructors that works, you know, around the world.

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Speaker 1: UM with players. Um, he helps them get better. And

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Speaker 1: UM we kind of take a deep dive into Matt

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Speaker 1: Fitzpatrick's US Open win and UM, he's got a lot

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Speaker 1: of good things say. Matt is a very very unique

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Speaker 1: and interesting player and easily one of the hardest workers

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Speaker 1: his success. And really excited to get him on the podcast.

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Speaker 1: So sit back and enjoy listening to Mike Walker. So

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Speaker 1: my guess is Mike Walker. Um. In my opinion, Mike

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Speaker 1: is one of the best golf instructors in the professional game. Um.

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Speaker 1: And if you need evidence as to why his student

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Speaker 1: Matt Fitzpatrick just won the US Open, Mike, thanks for

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Speaker 1: taking a time to talk to us. Um. What an

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Speaker 1: amazing accomplishment from Matt. UM. I know you were there. UM.

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Speaker 1: I've been lucky enough to be around players when they

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Speaker 1: and I don't think anyone can could prepare you for

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Speaker 1: all the aftermath of it. It's um, it's quite chaotic

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Speaker 1: after they win, isn't it. Well. I actually wasn't there

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Speaker 1: on the night. I left on the Saturday night. UM,

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Speaker 1: so the USPGA, he is kind of in the final group,

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Speaker 1: and everybody convinced me to stay another day, and I

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Speaker 1: ended up staying and he had a bad day. I

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Speaker 1: got bumped onto another flight the next day. I got

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Speaker 1: this time, I'm not It's probably remained that way from

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Speaker 1: end of the tournament celebrations. But but I do totally

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Speaker 1: appreciate what you're saying. It's a it's a whirlwind that

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Speaker 1: comes after it for sure. Um, what do you remember

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Speaker 1: about that week? Because I've always said whenever players win

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Speaker 1: There's always been something about them during that week that

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Speaker 1: is different and I can never describe it or put

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Speaker 1: my finger on it. I try and rack my brain

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Speaker 1: in retrospect. What was different that week there? There is

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Speaker 1: something different. I just can't figure out what it is.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, particularly that week with Matt. One

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Speaker 1: of my biggest beers that week was that it was

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Speaker 1: almost kind of there was an air of destiny about

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Speaker 1: it with winning the U Sama there, and I was

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Speaker 1: the thing that I was pleased about in the build

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Speaker 1: he seemed almost relaxed, as if it was all gonna happen,

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Speaker 1: and it was. It was kind of the thing that

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Speaker 1: nobody was saying, you know, he was just trying to

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Speaker 1: act normal and just like usual billy cracking jokes and

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Speaker 1: and I just think that but it wasn't just that

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Speaker 1: he stayed with there, he stayed with joining the U

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Speaker 1: Samma and he's a really really cool guy. He's like

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Speaker 1: one of us. I've been looking enough to stay in

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Speaker 1: his house once and they make the best host you

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Speaker 1: can hope for. And he's will Fault and new really

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Speaker 1: really good value for money. I don't think people realize

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Speaker 1: how much the stuff with players off the course goes

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Speaker 1: the Majors is, you know, they're very ramped up. The

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Speaker 1: guys are always kind of heightened. Yeah, US coaches were

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Speaker 1: always trying to figure out ways to keep them calm,

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Speaker 1: to keep them relaxed and all that, which is hard

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Speaker 1: pass sounds about right. Yeah, Um, it's a golf course city.

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Speaker 1: Felt comfortable on UM. He stays with a host family

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Speaker 1: just so much quieter. Yeah, I think. UM. I remember

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Speaker 1: being at Wingfoot with Matt a few years ago and

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Speaker 1: that week he he kind of said on the Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: after Wingfoot asked, I've made a comment to him that like,

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Speaker 1: you do realize that you are different those weeks, and

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Speaker 1: week after or two weeks later, and everything is a

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Speaker 1: lot more chilled, And he was quite surprised when I

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Speaker 1: And and it kind of got to Thursday or something

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Speaker 1: So I think he's made a conscious effort. But also

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Speaker 1: been more and more comfortable on the PGA Tours each

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Speaker 1: Friday UM and it fortunately clicked. And then I didn't

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Speaker 1: it was just stood there and watched him in the charts. UM.

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Speaker 1: I find him to be a very very unique UM

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Speaker 1: I've just I've never seen anyone with an approach like it.

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Speaker 1: The way he is incredible to meet from an outsider

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Speaker 1: to be incredibly detail oriented where I mean we've read that.

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Speaker 1: You know, he writes down every single shot that he hits. UM.

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Speaker 1: The way that he practices seems incredibly specific. There seems

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Speaker 1: And I've actually worked less over since he started doing it.

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Speaker 1: where it was this taking it from the range to

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Speaker 1: He sacrifices a lot. And it's just the day to

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Speaker 1: day every day. There's gym work, there's skilled practice, there's workouts,

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Speaker 1: I mean, the work rate with Matt never stops. I mean,

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Speaker 1: of men do this. I mean, as soon as he

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Speaker 1: unbelievably draining and taxing, on on on golfers and people. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we we've nobody I kind of remember anybody in his

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Speaker 1: often telling him to like put the brakes on and

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Speaker 1: you said the benchmarks Tiger. I've never been on the

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Speaker 1: inside of that obviously, and all seems a bit elusive,

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Speaker 1: you know, from the outside looking in. But you hear

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Speaker 1: lots of stories, but you have. As for Matt, he's yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's he's incredible, how much he's dedicated to his to

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's not blessed with UM you know the

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Speaker 1: Bryson has not only done watch maps done it, He's

430
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Speaker 1: also at the you know, the courage to like change

431
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,400
Speaker 1: has changed quite noticeably on over over the years. And

432
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Speaker 1: like you say it, it does take some bravery to

433
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Speaker 1: do that. We weren't brave enough to kind of go

434
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Speaker 1: as much as that, but we we feel happy with

435
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 1: where we're where we're at. And they says he's that

436
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 1: balance is difficult to strike during the telecaust and during

437
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 1: the the U s Open. I mean there were times,

438
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 1: I mean Will Salatorius is not George. I mean he

439
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,119
Speaker 1: can move it. I mean he can shift it. And

440
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 1: there were some holes out there to where I mean

441
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 1: Fits he is just ripping it by him, and I

442
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:14,200
Speaker 1: think that is also wouldn't you agree that is a

443
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:21,439
Speaker 1: huge mental validation for for Matt in tournament in a

444
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Speaker 1: major championship on the US Open golf course, where you

445
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:26,640
Speaker 1: know if you hit it in the rough, it's going

446
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 1: to be penal to be able to stand up. You're

447
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,199
Speaker 1: playing against somebody kind of going head to head to

448
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 1: be able to stand up and and take driver out

449
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,640
Speaker 1: where you both know you're gonna need to hit driver

450
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,879
Speaker 1: and then you bomb one past it. I mean the

451
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 1: bombers do that all the time. Bryson does that a lot,

452
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Speaker 1: Brooks DJ, all the big hitters, Tony Fine. Now, I

453
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,680
Speaker 1: mean these guys are used to hitting it past year.

454
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Speaker 1: But when when when Fits gets up and rips one

455
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Speaker 1: past year. It's also kind of I'm here, you know

456
00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 1: I can hit it straighter than you can. I can.

457
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 1: You know I can hit my you know, five iron

458
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 1: probably straighter than you can hit a wedge, but I

459
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 1: just blew it past. Yeah. Yeah, I mean I remember

460
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 1: watching him in the U s Amitar and he was

461
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Speaker 1: he was playing a guy called Oliver Goss. He was

462
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Speaker 1: a start. Yeah, and he I just remember Fits being

463
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: like fifty behind him and like knocking five woods in

464
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 1: to six ft or something all the way around. But yeah,

465
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,879
Speaker 1: he's so he's he's always been kind of lethal with

466
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Speaker 1: his longest, longer part of his set. But when he

467
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Speaker 1: when you then kind of get somewhere near him and

468
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,120
Speaker 1: that never mind like level with him, you just think, well,

469
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 1: you could really do some damage now, and and yeah,

470
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 1: it's definitely Uh. I don't think he'd admit it, but

471
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 1: I think it's good for his ego. Um, the work

472
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:55,959
Speaker 1: that he's done with our boys, Phil Kenyan, same approach. Right.

473
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Speaker 1: I watched those two, I watched the drills. I watched

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Speaker 1: all of the things that that he does. Does he

475
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 1: challenge you guys on the team to come up with

476
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:13,360
Speaker 1: ways to challenge him with different ideas, different drills, different

477
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 1: kind of ways of doing things or or is all

478
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,959
Speaker 1: of that kind of his idea. Does he come up

479
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 1: with all of the plans and the drills or is

480
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 1: it a very collaborative effort, because I mean, Fits, he's

481
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: like a tennis player. I mean he's got he's got you,

482
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 1: he's got Pete, he's got filled with putting, he's got

483
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Speaker 1: his stats guy, he's got a trainer, he's got all

484
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 1: of this team around him. Um does he is it

485
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 1: all self motivated from him? How much does he look

486
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Speaker 1: from you as as a coach to try and say, hey, listen,

487
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: this is the direction I think we should go. Um,

488
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:54,439
Speaker 1: do you guys meet collaboratively a lot? Because as an

489
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Speaker 1: outsider looking in, I would imagine I might be wrong,

490
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Speaker 1: but it seems to me like there's a lot of

491
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Speaker 1: collaboration between your crew. Yeah. I mean, I've worked with

492
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of players. Now I guess

493
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,199
Speaker 1: and that this is the It's the best team that

494
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,439
Speaker 1: I've ever worked. And I'm not saying it's perfect, but

495
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: it's definitely the best one I've ever worked. And we

496
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 1: all get on and and there is where we have

497
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 1: regular kind of three meetings a year where we have

498
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 1: a formal sit down away from golf tournaments, and then

499
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 1: all this information gets thrown in the room. And then Yeah,

500
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 1: in answer to your question, Matt obviously is there looking

501
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 1: at the data himself and and saying, right, we need

502
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,719
Speaker 1: to improve approach play, what we're gonna do. We're all

503
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: kind of bouncing ideas off each other, or he might

504
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: be struggling with left or right cuts, or needs to

505
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 1: gain length or what what whatever it might be. And yeah,

506
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 1: he's he's challenged. He's really he's great to work with.

507
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: He never gives you any you know what, but he

508
00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 1: definitely challenges you because because he's he's had this marginal

509
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,719
Speaker 1: gains approach. So it'll look at what areas very specifically,

510
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 1: what areas need to get better and goes and then

511
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: kind of puts it back to me Phil his train

512
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 1: of mAbs, Sasha, what whoever? And said how we going

513
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 1: to do it? And and I'll be totally frank that

514
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: there was time specifically then back in kind of eighteen

515
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: nineteen where I'm kind of thinking to myself as a coach,

516
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, well, he's kind of he's kind of maxing

517
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: out here and uh, and but he's still going to

518
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: keep challenging me. So he's definitely challenged me because I

519
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: was kind of thinking we might be reaching our limit.

520
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 1: And he's proven me. He's proved me wrong his entire career,

521
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: I'll be honest, and continues to do so. And he's

522
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 1: great and I have my own massively for it. One

523
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 1: of the members on his team. Who I think has

524
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: been a huge addition, Um, one of the best caddies

525
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: I think of all time and in the world, Billy Foster.

526
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 1: Um the role that Billy has played with Matt, because

527
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 1: I mean it was an odd one right, Billy Foster

528
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: could literally carry for anybody. I mean, it wasn't anybody

529
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 1: in professional golf that wouldn't take Billy Foster on the back. Um.

530
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 1: You know when when when Stevie Williams couldn't carry in

531
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: a President's Cup, I mean, who's tiger call it calls

532
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: Billy Foster. I mean he's He's He's in the Caddy

533
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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. For me, how big of a role

534
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: do you think, um, Billy has played in his success

535
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 1: in development? And what do you feel like Billy brings

536
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 1: to the team and brings to Matt as a player?

537
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: I think, Um, the I think the reason he ended

538
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: up with Matt in the first place was I think

539
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 1: Billy could see what we could see in him and

540
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: that he's never he's all, he's never been scared, and

541
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Speaker 1: he was in Europe. He was like a prolific winner

542
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: fairly early, Um, and you could see he didn't get

543
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 1: stage fright at all and he would go for the

544
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: juggular when he when he got the chance in Europe

545
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: and then he I think Billy could see that in

546
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: him and that attracted him. You know, a young a

547
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: young player as well, you know, someone who's enthusiastic and

548
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: and what Billy brings to and I think he's got

549
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: Matt's got a lot of respect for him, obviously his

550
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 1: experience and Billy's for me, is a great psychologist. He's

551
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: just never studied it. He can read, He reads a

552
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: room perfectly. He knows when to give the slap around

553
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: the face, he knows when to crack the joke. He

554
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 1: knows when to say, you're making it too comfortable, complicated.

555
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: It's just a seven iron map, you know. He and

556
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: you you kind of his natural disposition along with all

557
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: his experience and the respect Maps got for him. And

558
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: he's just he's been massive, massive in his in his

559
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: a sense. So what the obvious question when anybody wins

560
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: their first major championship is you know, how many do

561
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: you think he could win? Um? How far and high

562
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: do you think he can go? Well, I think he's

563
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: asking himself the same questions now because he's kind of

564
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: I think he feels like he's climbed Everest. The dream

565
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: he's genuinely kind of a dream has come true for him,

566
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: and now he's kind the dost sell and he's thinking, right,

567
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 1: what should I go for now? Then? Um? And I

568
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: think I think, being honest, he might he might have

569
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Speaker 1: appreciate a bit more time off to just kind of

570
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: chill out and gather himself a bit more. But you

571
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 1: know that nature of the tour and it never stops

572
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: until still Christmas. Really, so yeah, I think he could

573
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 1: definitely win more majors, especially now with what we've talked

574
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: about with him being longer and things. I always felt

575
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: this sounded like a know it all. I always felt

576
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Speaker 1: the US Open was the major that he had the

577
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Speaker 1: most chances chance of winning. I could definitely see winning

578
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 1: more of those. Um And I think he got he

579
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: got bandoned about the press conference that Fouldo at six. So,

580
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 1: I mean it's a lofty goal, but you just you know,

581
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: it's like you just keep plugging away and if you

582
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 1: if you keep knocking them off, then that would be great. Well, well,

583
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: I think if you talk to everyone that's won a

584
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: major and then it's gone on to win another one,

585
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Speaker 1: They always said, the hardest one to win is the

586
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Speaker 1: first one, because if you get an opportunity to win

587
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 1: another one, that window, that door, that room that you're

588
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: in feels a lot more comfortable, and you you kind

589
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: of can read the room and say, listen, if I

590
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: can just hang around here, I don't have to shoot

591
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 1: sixty six today. You know I've I've won one of

592
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: these before by just kind of great determination and all that.

593
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 1: If if I you give me a chance on the

594
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: back nine on Sunday, I'm not gonna make a lot

595
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: of mistakes. And maybe I remember, and I've told the

596
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: story a million times. Um Eager Woods told Adam Scott, Hey,

597
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 1: this is like two thousand and one at the p

598
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: g A in Atlanta. He said, listen, just learn how

599
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: to hang around. Hang around, because some weeks you're gonna

600
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: play great and not win. In some weeks you're not

601
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: going to play that great and and other people are

602
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 1: gonna win. And I remember, Adam, you've still played in

603
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:19,919
Speaker 1: Europe at the times he was gonna Tiger like he's

604
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,839
Speaker 1: you know, speaking French, and he said, trust me, the

605
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: ones that are the most fun, or when you shoot

606
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 1: one under and everybody else screws it up. He's like,

607
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 1: trust me, those are the ones where you take care

608
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 1: of the par fives and you're in the last group

609
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 1: and you shoot one two under and everybody else is

610
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: trying to shoot sixty four to beat you, and they

611
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: make all the mistakes and you just kind of play

612
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: a good round of golf and you kind of go

613
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: kissed the trophy and let everybody else kind of throw up. Well.

614
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: I think although Matt didn't win the USPG, I felt

615
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,800
Speaker 1: like he kind of learned a bit of that lesson

616
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: there because he he left the course that day and

617
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: I used to think used thinking to himself, well I

618
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 1: didn't have my best stuff today and I still nearly

619
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: nearly got into a playoff anyway. Um. And I think

620
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: he learned a lot from that. I mean, do you

621
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: think that experience at the p G a um, you know,

622
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 1: in one of the last groups. Um. I mean I

623
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 1: I was watching it. When I was watching it, and

624
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,399
Speaker 1: I was kind of like, I was like that kind

625
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: of golf course, you know, the tough conditions, the winds,

626
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 1: the weather changed and everything, and I'm thinking to myself,

627
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 1: I can see fifty pulling this off on Sunday because

628
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 1: I mean it just looked like, you know, it was

629
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 1: like a golf course to where it's kind of fiddley.

630
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: There were like some weird kind of angles and stuff.

631
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: And because he hits it so straight and because he

632
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: he hits I mean, that's the thing I've always been

633
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: impressed by Matt When I said it earlier, guys out

634
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,479
Speaker 1: drive him and they're hitting wedges. He's at the six iron,

635
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: but he's gonnaknock six iron. I mean, he's gonna hit

636
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 1: it on a rope. He's gonna hit it as good

637
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 1: as most people are hitting wentest. So I know it's

638
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 1: hard to look backwards, but do you think being so

639
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 1: close and being really really in the mix on Sunday,

640
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: I mean everybody says, hey, you know I played good

641
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: that week. Yeah, but I mean, I mean he was,

642
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: He was right there on Sunday in a major. Do

643
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Speaker 1: you think that that played a massive, massive role By

644
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: the time you guys get to Brookline to where weekend

645
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: on on on, on a big golf course in an Open,

646
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: US Open, he maybe felt a little bit more comfortable. Yeah,

647
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: million cent and not obviously there was the Brookline thing,

648
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 1: which I think helps his comfort levels, But definitely what

649
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: happened at USPGA. I would say that definitely played a

650
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: factor in it, because it was one of those sundays

651
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: at USPG where he a bad shot off the first

652
00:36:56,239 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 1: that that that's never great, is it? And and and

653
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 1: then you kind of felt he was out of it

654
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 1: around the turn, and then he chipped in on fourteen,

655
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 1: and then he was like right, well, right back in it,

656
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:11,240
Speaker 1: and everybody was kind of dropping away, like say um,

657
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 1: and then it appalled shot in seventeen and the chip

658
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,760
Speaker 1: was afoot a foot from being really good on seventeen,

659
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 1: so it was deflating that. But I think he felt

660
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 1: that whenever it's not going right for him, he tends

661
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: to like chase it too much. It's not that he's

662
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: got nervous per se, but he's too desperate to get

663
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 1: it back and sometimes compounds that error. And I think

664
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: that's that's what he felt after USPG, And I think

665
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: in us Open he was just going to be like cool,

666
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: trying to be cool as I was just obviously the

667
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 1: cliche's ring true. Just you know, stick to what you're

668
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: doing each other time, etcetera, etcetera, and unfortunately didn't. He

669
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 1: didn't really meet well he did he three putt at

670
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 1: eleven and that that was a little bit um not great.

671
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 1: But I think he if he just said afterwards, that

672
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: is so out to win because he felt right until

673
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: the end. It's just you felt like it could it

674
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 1: could alter it. Like like as you you're on I

675
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: know about Tiger, people do things on the back nine

676
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: that you're not expect you now much. I think when

677
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: you watch, you know fits you have that opportunity, it's

678
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 1: easy to look at that and go, okay, well they

679
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,320
Speaker 1: didn't get it done. Um, you know, it just it

680
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,720
Speaker 1: just wasn't. I don't. I don't think people, the fans

681
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,800
Speaker 1: and and a lot of the journalists that are easy.

682
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: It's easy to jump on the bandwagon and beat these

683
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: guys up when they have opportunities. Okay, well you know

684
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,280
Speaker 1: it didn't play great on Sunday and all this stuff.

685
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: They don't understand how hard it is to win not

686
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: only tournaments, but there's four majors a year, right, that's it,

687
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: four tournaments a year. These the majors are so difficult

688
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 1: to win. Yeah, I mean, you know, I agree with you.

689
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: I think they quick to get on people's backs, and

690
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: I mean I get it. You've got to write story.

691
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 1: You've got to you know, tell it as you see it.

692
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,720
Speaker 1: But it is, Um, there's so good on there that

693
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: there's so much strength in depth, and we know there's

694
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 1: a bit more of a random nature, like you saying

695
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 1: Bolt just wins every race than they but he's generally

696
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: speaking not like that, is it apart from obviously Tiger

697
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: and it's it's hard to dominate, I would say. So

698
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: you're one of the players that are you're one of

699
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 1: the coaches now that you in your time is going

700
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,800
Speaker 1: to be all over the place. You've got Fitsy on

701
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 1: the PGA tour, You've got you know, Thomas Peters, m

702
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 1: Kellen shank Win, who just one of the European Tour, Um,

703
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 1: Hendrick Stenson's just going to the Live tour, who just

704
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 1: one recently. Um, are there three of you, Mike or

705
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 1: You're gonna be able to kind of put yourself in

706
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 1: all of these different places that you need to be.

707
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: I've got no idea how I'm going to do it,

708
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 1: I'll be honest. Cloda we were talking about just before

709
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:10,399
Speaker 1: we came. Only Yeah, it's posing me a problem at

710
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 1: the moment, which is a great problem to have. Done,

711
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,479
Speaker 1: get me wrong, but yeah, the nature of the golf

712
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 1: will At the moment you've almost got two two tours

713
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 1: within the PGA Tour, you know, the kind of the

714
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 1: the Premium Tour and the Superstar schedule. Yeah, and then

715
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,280
Speaker 1: the one just underneath it, and then you've got obviously

716
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,439
Speaker 1: the the Live Tour and then and then Europe as well.

717
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't know how I'm going to do

718
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 1: it and stay married. To be honest, Um, I was

719
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: have to live about in Bedminster. I think one of

720
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: the frustrating things for me about um all of the

721
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 1: golf that's being played on on the Live Tour is um,

722
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:54,439
Speaker 1: the golf is being completely overshadowed by what people think

723
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 1: of the fifty four holes, what people think of the

724
00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 1: team aspect, what people think of the shotguns star. I

725
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 1: mean I was there for three rounds. I mean Hendrick

726
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 1: plays assof I mean, he played as good a golf

727
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 1: as I've seen Hendrick play in a really really long time.

728
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 1: You've been working with Henrik now again. You you know,

729
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: Henrick bounces around. Sometimes you're in, sometimes you're out, you're

730
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 1: back in. He gets to win. Um, I thought it

731
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: was a really really big win for his career enough,

732
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: excluding all the live bullshit, right, you know, all the

733
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: stuff the writer. I thought from a playing standpoint, I

734
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 1: thought it was a really important win for Hendrick. And

735
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: I think it reminded everybody, certainly that aren't blinded by

736
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: all the lib drama. Reminded everybody just how damn good

737
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: Hendrick is when he's playing the way he plays. Yeah,

738
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,359
Speaker 1: certainly in the first round, I think he said that

739
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 1: it was that round of golf was the best he's

740
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: played in quite some time. And and and yeah, I

741
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 1: think I do you think he was wobbling a bit

742
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: because your man was chasing him down pretty hard, I think.

743
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,800
Speaker 1: But obviously he's never had a problem winning. And obviously

744
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 1: Henry's associated with uh he worked with Pete for twenty

745
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: years and most of his successes is that is between

746
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 1: them too. But me and him had just had a

747
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 1: crap that this year and a bit of a change

748
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: for Henrick. And and yeah, I think obviously there's a

749
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 1: lot of adversity around it at all, and it's not

750
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: very com frombat. I think he was once once he

751
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 1: kind of the rider cup Captus had gone. I think

752
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 1: it was almost like he was could just dedicate himself

753
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: just to playing golf and and concentrating on trying to

754
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: beat dusting and Matt wolf has. It turned out was

755
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,760
Speaker 1: what kind of work are you working on with Henrick?

756
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 1: Is it old stuff? Is it new staff? Is it

757
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: repackaged star of Uh? Personally, when I started, I did

758
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 1: a bit of kind of reconnaissance on and I found

759
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 1: one particular swing that was on YouTube that I felt

760
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:14,959
Speaker 1: was as good as anything that he'd ever had from

761
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: back um it was when he he was back in

762
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 1: like two thousand and even ten. There was this one

763
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: three would swing from TPC and I've kind of used

764
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,720
Speaker 1: that as a bit of a template, um and and

765
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: and tried to basically mimic that. Obviously Henry's forty six wouldn't.

766
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:38,320
Speaker 1: We're just trying to get him back to two places

767
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 1: he's been before and um just be like on a

768
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: you know, so he's clear on what he's doing it.

769
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: But I particularly like that swinger. I've just basically tried

770
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: to copy that. And obviously I didn't coach him for

771
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 1: the lion share of his career, but I knew a

772
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 1: lot of what what he was doing and and how

773
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 1: Pete was teaching him and how and his feelings and

774
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 1: things and that I think. Um, so yeah, I've got

775
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: a good working knowledge of Hendrick before I started, and

776
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: I'm just a different voice really doing similar things. Yeah,

777
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: not um similar things. One of the other students you

778
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 1: work with certainly one of my favorite people in golf.

779
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 1: I love everything about the barn Rat here aftery barn Rat. Um,

780
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: you couldn't pick a professional golfer in two that is

781
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: not a two prototype golfer. I mean the body, the

782
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 1: golf swing, the nine. I don't know if he's still

783
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 1: smoking nine thousand cigarettes today, but I mean he could

784
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: smoke cigarettes. He could, he could have he could be

785
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 1: finishing one and already lit another one. He's kind of

786
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 1: a throwback, but he has a very unique kind of

787
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 1: tempo rhythm. It's certainly not a swing that anybody in

788
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 1: two is posting on youtubeers what they believe is the

789
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: golf swing. But I love how he swings the golf club.

790
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: I love the rhythm in the temple. What's what's the

791
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 1: barn Rat like to work with? What are some of

792
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: the keys that that he does that makes all of

793
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 1: that so functional? Uh, I'll be honest with you, I

794
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 1: don't really talk to him that much about obviously is

795
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 1: his idiosyncrasies and mainly talk and mainly talk to him

796
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 1: about how to He's obsessed with hitting fade. He associates

797
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 1: all the best golf with Team Fade all the time,

798
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 1: and as you know, it's a very quirky action. He

799
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: nearly hits his right shoulder with a shaft on the

800
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 1: way down and has done in practice a couple of

801
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 1: times and have to fade it from there. So but

802
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: but yeah, I mainly talk to him about more kind

803
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 1: of shots and what delivery positions and you're in to

804
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 1: hit certain shots and and stop him going down blind alleys.

805
00:45:54,880 --> 00:46:00,320
Speaker 1: Really but Cardex like one of them. He's great, great person,

806
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 1: really really great person. And he's had a really rough rider.

807
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember that shot that he

808
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 1: hit Augusta where he fell out. He had to hook

809
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 1: it around the tree, fell over backwards. He kind of

810
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 1: tore his a c L at that time. But he's

811
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 1: made worse for him because he had a car accident

812
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: when his kid when he was a kid, and he's

813
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 1: got no internal rotation. He's right hip and he's knee

814
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: knocked as well, so that injury for him was like

815
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 1: really really bad for him to have, and it he

816
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:29,320
Speaker 1: was and when then he got wrapped up in COVID

817
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 1: and does he go back home. He tried to play

818
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 1: through it a bit and it's just kind of he's

819
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: had a real real rough time over the last few years.

820
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 1: So I've got everything cross for him that that he

821
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 1: can get through corn very um finals this this these

822
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:47,359
Speaker 1: three weeks. He's a great, great blow. I mean, he's

823
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 1: one of the true characters I think in in in

824
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 1: professional golf, because I mean, there isn't anybody modeling themselves

825
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 1: off of him, right, He's one of the means he's

826
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 1: become one of the best players in the world, but

827
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 1: no one is looking at the way that he does

828
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 1: things and go, Okay, that's that's what I'm going to do.

829
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 1: But I think he has a lot of things in

830
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 1: his golf swing that that people should look at and

831
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 1: should try and emulate. The fact that, you know, the

832
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 1: way that he turns, the way that he has that

833
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: even though like you said, the club at times can

834
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 1: get really really narrow on the down swing, but when

835
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 1: he's playing his best, you're like, it looks like, I mean,

836
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 1: if there's the old kind of old school, you know,

837
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 1: drop it in the slot, you know all these terms

838
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 1: that a lot a lot of people use anymore. I mean,

839
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 1: he's kind of like the poster child for like big turn,

840
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 1: drop it and then just yeah, and he's so impressed

841
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 1: when he's really on, he's very very impressive. He's very

842
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 1: very talented. UM, great your game and and a great

843
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,359
Speaker 1: iron player. There's just like frozen ropes, like one after

844
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 1: the other when he when he's on, and like I saying,

845
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 1: he's not one for the Texas. But I mean, I

846
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:00,919
Speaker 1: always remember when I first came out and toil, which

847
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 1: is it's actually quite a long time ago now, and

848
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 1: you kind of come out with all the textbooks, tuition

849
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: and as a foundation, and then you see people like

850
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 1: Jeeve Milk is sing. I remember when I first came

851
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 1: out and you and you see seeing me these unbelievable

852
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 1: like pressure cuts. It's going miles and you're like, well,

853
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 1: hang on a minute, that's not And yeah, I love

854
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 1: those swings more than the I love looking at and think, well,

855
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,799
Speaker 1: how does that one work? Well, my it's funny. My

856
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,240
Speaker 1: dad's youngest brother, Billy, who I've had on the podcast,

857
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 1: we talked about this, but there was a time and

858
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:40,360
Speaker 1: when you know, my dad was working with Tiger and

859
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: Adam Scott and you know, the early two thousands. And

860
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 1: Billy said, you know what I find really amazing. You said, everybody,

861
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 1: we're trying to get everybody to look like Tiger and

862
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 1: Adam Scott right now, right we're trying to have you know,

863
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 1: this perfect position at the top the face this way.

864
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: But Billy said, you know, if you look at two

865
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 1: of the greatest ball strikers of all time, you know,

866
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 1: you to take a guy like Hail Irwin who was

867
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:08,320
Speaker 1: shut took it inside, came over it and and hit Fate, so,

868
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 1: you know, really inside, and then whipped around, and then

869
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: Trevino wide open, take it way outside, drop it under.

870
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 1: And he said, you know guys like Bruce Litzky, guys

871
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 1: like you know, Raymond Floyd, who were prolific ball strikers.

872
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: He's like, why doesn't any why don't we teach people

873
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 1: to swing like that. We're all trying to teach people

874
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:31,919
Speaker 1: to have these perfect golf swings. Do you think that

875
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 1: in two now with you mentioned Matt Wolfe, You've got

876
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: guys like Kid Deck, you know, guys like dj Um.

877
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 1: We are seeing almost a throwback. I mean Scottie Scheffler Um.

878
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 1: You know, if you look at the top ten in

879
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 1: the world right now, you know, yes, Rory's got a

880
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 1: beautiful golf swing, but you know, justin Thomas is a

881
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 1: little bit of a throwback to where the arms are

882
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 1: super super up, he's not flat. Well, but do you

883
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 1: think that it's great that we have these kind of

884
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 1: golf swing outliers so that people can remember Listen, it's

885
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 1: not about having a perfect position at the top of

886
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:14,760
Speaker 1: the golf swing. Golf is about repetition. Can you repeat

887
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 1: the move? Is your move functional? And can you transfer

888
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 1: that on a regular basis? Yeah, I think. I think

889
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 1: my personal view is I think there's certain areas of

890
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 1: a golf swing that you kind of have to be

891
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 1: within a certain like parameters obviously around around the ball really,

892
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 1: but that then obviously there's different ways of getting there,

893
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:41,840
Speaker 1: and I think I personally like figuring the quirky ones

894
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 1: out and and kind of from an intellectual point of view,

895
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 1: I I like that. And and the more I think

896
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:52,280
Speaker 1: the golf teaching industry as a whole, as a collective

897
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 1: is so much, so much knowledge in depth now with

898
00:50:56,680 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 1: the all YouTube podcast, better technology and stuff, but I

899
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 1: still love going. Lee Travino is one of my favorite golfing. Um. Yeah,

900
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 1: that's one of my personal favorites. And I love looking

901
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 1: at all things like that, and like I keep saying,

902
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 1: we'll figure out how how they were really, Um, I

903
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 1: found the conventional ones boring, as nice as they are

904
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:21,479
Speaker 1: and as great as the performer find them boring. It'd

905
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 1: be a disservice to talk to you about your career

906
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 1: in UM golf instruction without talking about someone that has

907
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:32,800
Speaker 1: played in an enormous UM educational mentoring role in your life.

908
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:35,840
Speaker 1: He's one of the best golf instructors in the world

909
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 1: and has worked with so many great players. Pete Cowen

910
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 1: Um talk about the influence that Pete. I don't know

911
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 1: if you will remember this, but I can remember. I

912
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 1: can't remember what Open Championship it was, but it was

913
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 1: when I was living in Europe, so it's got to

914
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 1: be mid two thousand's. I was on the titleist van.

915
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: This is before Pete went to Callaway, was wearing the

916
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 1: titles hat and he came over to see Jonathan loose

917
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 1: Moore and I and Um, he brought you along and

918
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 1: he was like, this is a young kid that's working

919
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 1: for me named Mike Walker, and you were like, hey,

920
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:08,399
Speaker 1: how's it going? You know, wish one was that way?

921
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:10,799
Speaker 1: Was that I can't remember, but he brought you too.

922
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was maybe brought you to

923
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 1: a time I want to say, Um, I want to

924
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 1: say it was a major and you were just there.

925
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 1: It was he was on the weekend. It was just

926
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 1: you were just there kind of absorbing and you know,

927
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 1: I interduce you. Um. You know Pete is a iconic

928
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: UM monster figure and golf instruction. Um. What roles he

929
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 1: played in your career and in your life? Yeah, I

930
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 1: mean obviously a massive one. Originally went for lessons with

931
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 1: him when I was a kid UM and then I

932
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 1: when I left the game because I realized I wasn't

933
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:52,319
Speaker 1: good enough, and when studied at university, was working in

934
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 1: finance and was wishing away five days out of seven.

935
00:52:55,960 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 1: So I reconnected with Pete. And it wasn't actually to

936
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 1: get a job. I read I booked a lesson in

937
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 1: invert commas and and I actually turned up and I said,

938
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 1: I'm not really here for a lesson that I'm just

939
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 1: kind of want to pick your brains. I don't know

940
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 1: whether I could get back into golf somehow management rules,

941
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 1: and never considered golf coaching at all. And he said

942
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 1: to me that day, He's like, where you could coach?

943
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 1: Standing on your head, um, He said, you could go

944
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 1: to Dubai tomorrow and work at one of my academies,

945
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 1: but you're not PG qualified. So I was like, right,

946
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:34,840
Speaker 1: Obviously he was already because in the time I had

947
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 1: left Universe, I had left being coaxed by him at

948
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 1: seventeen and and me coming back kind of eight years

949
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:42,760
Speaker 1: later when I graduated and I was working in finance.

950
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 1: He'd had he was already starting to have success, but

951
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 1: he had a lot of success in that time with

952
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 1: in the early two thousands, with World and everybody else. Yeah,

953
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 1: So I kind of left that and I was thinking

954
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:04,760
Speaker 1: at the time, well, this is a great opportunity. And

955
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 1: eight years before I thought, well, I don't if I'm

956
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:11,360
Speaker 1: not going to be a goal for, you know, playing

957
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 1: for a living, then I'm just going to go to

958
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 1: university because I'm not selling Mars bars in appro shop.

959
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 1: So eight years later then I'm selling Mars Bars an

960
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 1: approach shop at peach Range in in Rotherham and and yeah,

961
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,919
Speaker 1: things just progressed from there. And obviously we we've got

962
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 1: a parallel scenario there where you kind of going up

963
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 1: up the career law do you teach, You start to

964
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:33,280
Speaker 1: teach better players, you start to teach on tour and things,

965
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 1: and that exposure to a mentor as you kind of

966
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 1: going through that early part of your career. And we

967
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 1: both know how difficult it can be at times, and

968
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 1: to have somebody to kind of, you know, bounce things

969
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:51,720
Speaker 1: off often makes me think that the guys who say,

970
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:55,320
Speaker 1: Mark Blackburn, for example, you've never had that. I often

971
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 1: wonder what it was like for them, because it's definitely

972
00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:59,840
Speaker 1: a massive, massive help. I'm sure you'd agree with me.

973
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 1: I mean Phil Kenyon, as we both know he had

974
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 1: a mentor in how Old Swash And yeah, I mean

975
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 1: I I sure as I wouldn't be doing what I'm

976
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 1: doing if I didn't have my father as a mentor

977
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 1: and as as someone that I could look up to

978
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 1: and um a bounce ideas off. Yeah, and I think

979
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 1: we have that in common, so I wouldn't be doing

980
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 1: what I'm doing either. So yeah, massive and certainly, uh

981
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 1: at the start, it's just having access to someone as

982
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 1: you're learning along the way, and you can ask the

983
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:34,400
Speaker 1: questions as they pop up, rather than booking a lesson

984
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 1: and going asking every month. You know, so, and um, yeah,

985
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:42,880
Speaker 1: I started. He was struggling to juggle tour life and

986
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 1: his range at the same time, so that was proving difficult.

987
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 1: I started running the range and then I was I

988
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:51,799
Speaker 1: was living in you no lessons all the time, and

989
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 1: some of the people that he was teaching had been

990
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:56,799
Speaker 1: in my England squad, like Oliver Wilson, Richard Finch at

991
00:55:56,800 --> 00:56:00,040
Speaker 1: the time and people like that, And I started I

992
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 1: kind of go into events and um, things just kind

993
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 1: of led on from there really and the rest of

994
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 1: this history Sovio sweep well. Um. For a long time,

995
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people saw you as Pete's

996
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:16,319
Speaker 1: number two, right, because you guys worked with a lot

997
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:18,360
Speaker 1: of players together. I went through that with my father.

998
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 1: I've I've been lucky enough to work with a lot

999
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 1: of the guys that my dad worked with that my

1000
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:25,799
Speaker 1: dad maybe didn't have time to work with because he

1001
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 1: was juggling so many people like Pete. But I think Mike,

1002
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 1: you've done an amazing job at becoming Mike Walker as

1003
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:35,879
Speaker 1: opposed to Pete Cowen's number two. And I don't think

1004
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:40,239
Speaker 1: people realize, um, how hard that is, because when you

1005
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 1: do have a mentor who is so big, UM, whose

1006
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 1: shadow is so long, um, that it's it's hard to

1007
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 1: get out of that. And I I just can't tell

1008
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:53,440
Speaker 1: you how happy I am for you and how proud

1009
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 1: I am for you because you've stepped out of that

1010
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 1: shadow and you've kind of worked, and you've put the

1011
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 1: time him in and put the hours in. And I think,

1012
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:05,839
Speaker 1: I mean I I certainly it's been a long time

1013
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 1: now since I've ever thought of you as peach number two.

1014
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 1: And I think your career and the things that you've

1015
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:13,799
Speaker 1: done and the things that you're doing, and all the

1016
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 1: things that you will do, um, you will stand you know,

1017
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 1: on your own two feet and go on to continue

1018
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 1: to do great things. Yeah. I mean, like I say,

1019
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 1: I wouldn't behave like without him. And ultimately, I guess

1020
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 1: you become an adult and in in if that's the

1021
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 1: right word for it, but you become I guess your

1022
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 1: own man and you obviously were still were still linked.

1023
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 1: But I think possibly people I don't know you to

1024
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 1: be able to say better than me, I think possibly

1025
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 1: people do see me as a bit more of a

1026
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 1: person in my own right rather than a number two

1027
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 1: now and um, but obviously I wouldn't wun't be in

1028
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 1: that position without him. So it's, um, it's Laura. I've

1029
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 1: never said this to you, but I think, just to

1030
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 1: mess with Pete, I think you should spend an entire

1031
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 1: month ontour just wearing all black, just going head to

1032
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 1: toe all black the way Pete does, and just see

1033
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 1: if he notices, right, to see if he goes, wait

1034
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:14,160
Speaker 1: a minute, you were in black again today, and just

1035
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 1: act like it's nothing, just going on as something wrong.

1036
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 1: And then he sees you the following day and you're

1037
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 1: wearing black, And they sees you the next day and

1038
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 1: you're wearing black. I could wear all white. Oh that

1039
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 1: ye notice, I think he knows that one. Um. Lastly,

1040
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 1: Danny Willet making the making the call coming back into

1041
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 1: the Fall. Yeah, yeah, I've been started working with him

1042
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 1: about well, I don't know about month, just before they

1043
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 1: open and yeah, it's a it's been a while, and

1044
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 1: it's I've always gotten great with Dan and it's um,

1045
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 1: it's I've forgotten some of his videos scene becauses that

1046
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:59,439
Speaker 1: have been reminded of now he's very very particular, and

1047
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:02,920
Speaker 1: another one with the massive work ethics befair who doesn't

1048
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 1: really need to leave many stones on turn. But but yeah,

1049
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 1: we'll see how it goes this time. Yeah, it's always

1050
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 1: fun when they come back, right, Yeah, it's it is, Yeah,

1051
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 1: it's it's strange. But was it a situation that that

1052
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 1: you saw him in person or did you get the

1053
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 1: phone that your phone ring and you're like, and whoever

1054
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 1: you're with, your like you showed to your wife, you're like,

1055
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 1: and that it was more? Um, Yeah, so he kind

1056
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 1: of him and Sean had agreed to part ways, and

1057
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 1: then he sent me a couple of videos and just

1058
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 1: asked me my opinion. At first the old, the old,

1059
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 1: the old, the tour player, booty car, it's the booty call.

1060
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 1: Did he did he say, hey, yo, you are it's

1061
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 1: the only booty calls again that's anyway, So yeah, last

1062
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 1: for my opinion, and then I kind of get told

1063
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 1: him what I thought, and and then the next few

1064
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:00,160
Speaker 1: days it was like video after video after video up

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01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 1: the video and I was like, oh now I remember, okay,

1066
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 1: so well now he's he's he's got some similar characteristipes

1067
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 1: to Matt in that sense, he would he works hard,

1068
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:14,720
Speaker 1: has done really hard, count fall in flat. Well, I'm

1069
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 1: looking forward to seeing um that partnership work again because

1070
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 1: you guys had a tremendous amount of success. Listen. UM,

1071
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 1: hopefully I'll get back on the PGA tour and you'll

1072
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 1: get you'll spend more time on the live so we

1073
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 1: can actually do our usual to where we stand around

1074
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 1: and wait for tour players. He comes to coffee on

1075
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 1: our hand and fitch and moan and complain about how

1076
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:42,760
Speaker 1: bad everything is. Yeah, first world problems, right, first world problems. Mike,

1077
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 1: congrats and all your success. It's been a hell of

1078
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 1: the year for you, and uh, I think it's uh,

1079
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 1: it's just just the beginning. I appreciate it and thanks

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01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 1: for having me on. So that was Mike Walker. And

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01:00:58,160 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 1: as I said at the beginning of the show, my

1082
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:02,440
Speaker 1: not be a household name to a lot of golf fans,

1083
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:03,920
Speaker 1: are a lot of listeners, but for those of us

1084
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:07,880
Speaker 1: in the instruction business, UM definitely someone that um everybody

1085
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 1: knows and everyone knows his work and UM really some

1086
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 1: good stuff on the work that he has done with

1087
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 1: Matt Fitzpatrick. Ums it's I think it's one of the

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01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 1: best stories of the year, and Mike had a huge

1089
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 1: part in that. So really glad that he took the

1090
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:26,440
Speaker 1: time to talk to us. So we put questions out

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01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 1: this week. UM obviously lots of questions about UM Live.

1092
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:33,919
Speaker 1: I was at the tournament last week. DJ finally getting

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01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 1: win on the Live Tour. UM listen, it was exciting. UM.

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01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 1: I think anybody that watched it, UM at the last

1095
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 1: half hour forty five minutes, didn't, you know, make you interested?

1096
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:48,960
Speaker 1: Then I think there's something wrong with you. Because the

1097
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:52,800
Speaker 1: golf was fantastic. I mean, some unbelievable shots and uh,

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01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:54,360
Speaker 1: it was a hell of a finish. I think it

1099
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 1: was a win that DJ needed. UM. It wouldn't matter

1100
01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:01,160
Speaker 1: on which tour it was. UM. He hadn't won in

1101
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:02,760
Speaker 1: quite a while, and it was nice to see him

1102
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:06,560
Speaker 1: get a win. UM. So that was good. Lots of

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01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:10,360
Speaker 1: people asking UM. You know, I get tons of questions

1104
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:13,920
Speaker 1: about practice, UM, you know, how players practice, what's the

1105
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:16,400
Speaker 1: best way to practice? And I think the cool thing

1106
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 1: when when I get to go out to UM Tour

1107
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 1: events and look at how players interact with their caddies

1108
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:27,440
Speaker 1: and everybody is so so different. Um, you know. I

1109
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:30,600
Speaker 1: I think when we look at players specifically from a

1110
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:34,000
Speaker 1: putting standpoint, you'll go to a putting green at a

1111
01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 1: tour event and you will see all kinds of different

1112
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:40,800
Speaker 1: You'll see some players who who use no gadgets, who

1113
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:44,000
Speaker 1: use no chalk lines, who don't have any drills, who

1114
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:47,200
Speaker 1: don't have any stations built up, that are just kind

1115
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:50,160
Speaker 1: of more like field guys. And then you'll see the guys,

1116
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 1: the putting guys like like sil kenyan Um who we've

1117
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:56,680
Speaker 1: had on the podcast before, UM working specifically with his

1118
01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:59,520
Speaker 1: guys on certain things. And then you'll have players um,

1119
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:01,640
Speaker 1: you know, some times to take up half the driving range,

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01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 1: you know, going through whatever kind of drills that that

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01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 1: they do. From a practice standpoint, when you go to

1122
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 1: the driving range, I think it's it's the same thing.

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01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:13,520
Speaker 1: You'll see players working with their coaches. UM. You know,

1124
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 1: I've sat and watched Cameron McCormick, who we've had on

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01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:19,720
Speaker 1: the podcast, work with with Jordan's I mean, they're always

1126
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:22,640
Speaker 1: working with a launch monitor. They're they're always working on,

1127
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:26,479
Speaker 1: you know a lot of different things. Um. DJ works

1128
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:29,600
Speaker 1: with launch monitors, but he doesn't really do anything with

1129
01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:32,200
Speaker 1: them other than just look at the Carrey distance. UM

1130
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:34,640
Speaker 1: So when I think when you are trying to practice

1131
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:36,960
Speaker 1: as a player, you want to try and figure out

1132
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:40,960
Speaker 1: what area you're deficient in, what area you feel like

1133
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:42,840
Speaker 1: you can make gains. And because I think a lot

1134
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:45,760
Speaker 1: of players go to the practice range regardless of what

1135
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:49,320
Speaker 1: their handicap level is, regardless of what scores their shooting,

1136
01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:52,720
Speaker 1: whether they're good players, whether they're mid handicapped players. UM,

1137
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:54,240
Speaker 1: I think you want to try and look at the

1138
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:56,840
Speaker 1: areas of your game where you can make gains. And

1139
01:03:56,840 --> 01:03:59,480
Speaker 1: that's why I think it's really important, um when you

1140
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 1: are playing, to take notes, to take notes on what

1141
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:05,800
Speaker 1: you're doing, to take notes on you know, how many

1142
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:09,520
Speaker 1: fairways you're hitting, how many greens you're hitting, um if

1143
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:11,800
Speaker 1: you're missing greens, how much you're getting up and down,

1144
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:15,800
Speaker 1: what you're what you're sand games like, what your puttings like,

1145
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:18,680
Speaker 1: So that when you come back to the driving range

1146
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:22,120
Speaker 1: and and have your practice sessions, you can say to yourself, Okay, listen,

1147
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 1: I drove it really good the other day, or my

1148
01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:26,120
Speaker 1: iron game was really good the other day, So I

1149
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:28,000
Speaker 1: don't really need to stand here and work on that.

1150
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:30,080
Speaker 1: Let me go ahead and work on the areas of

1151
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:31,960
Speaker 1: my game where I feel like I can make some

1152
01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:36,000
Speaker 1: gains where I am losing strokes on the golf course.

1153
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:40,440
Speaker 1: So when you are trying to figure out a practice routine, UM,

1154
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:42,480
Speaker 1: to me, in an ideal world, if you're trying to

1155
01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:45,560
Speaker 1: break par for the first time, if you're trying to

1156
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:48,600
Speaker 1: break eight for the first time, if you're trying to

1157
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:52,800
Speaker 1: break a hundred for the first time, UM, you need

1158
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:55,280
Speaker 1: to be spending. And I've talked about this before. I

1159
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:58,600
Speaker 1: think you need to be spending UM at least half

1160
01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 1: your time on both And in an ideal world, you

1161
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:05,800
Speaker 1: probably want to be spending maybe sixty on short game

1162
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:10,880
Speaker 1: as opposed to UM just all this time on long game. UH.

1163
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:12,520
Speaker 1: There will be a lot of times where we'll go

1164
01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 1: to the driving range after a round of golf and

1165
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:17,480
Speaker 1: a player, UM, if they've hit it really well and

1166
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:19,600
Speaker 1: they didn't feel like they putted well, they won't even

1167
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:21,040
Speaker 1: go to the range, so just go straight to the

1168
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:23,840
Speaker 1: putting green. UM. There's times where players felt like they

1169
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:25,520
Speaker 1: putted pretty good and they won't even go to the

1170
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:27,600
Speaker 1: putting green and they'll just go straight to the range.

1171
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 1: But I do think having a very very kind of

1172
01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:34,439
Speaker 1: good idea of what are the areas of your game

1173
01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:38,000
Speaker 1: that you can improve, because I think so many players

1174
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:41,400
Speaker 1: they're just trying to work on, you know, a bunch

1175
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:43,840
Speaker 1: of different stuff because that's what they think they're supposed

1176
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 1: to do. But when you play, you know, look at

1177
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:50,960
Speaker 1: what your problem is on the golf course, because that's

1178
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:54,480
Speaker 1: where it matters the most. What you're doing on the

1179
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:58,800
Speaker 1: golf course should be influencing what you're practicing. And I

1180
01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:03,480
Speaker 1: think so many players are constantly in practice mode and

1181
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:08,360
Speaker 1: they don't really kind of think about the rounds of

1182
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:11,200
Speaker 1: golf that they play on the golf course as the

1183
01:06:11,240 --> 01:06:13,880
Speaker 1: thing that they should be focusing on. And and it's

1184
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:16,240
Speaker 1: almost like I have players that that that I work

1185
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:18,680
Speaker 1: with that are you know, they're they're just regular golfers,

1186
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:22,400
Speaker 1: the handicappers, and you ask them about what they're working on,

1187
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:24,800
Speaker 1: and they'll tell you all the stuff that they're working

1188
01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:27,040
Speaker 1: on in the driving range and in their practice sessions.

1189
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:29,360
Speaker 1: But when you talk to them about what's actually going

1190
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:32,320
Speaker 1: on on the golf course, sometimes there's a disconnect there

1191
01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 1: between what they're trying to work on, you know, on

1192
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:37,800
Speaker 1: the driving range, because it's it's that thing and I

1193
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:40,720
Speaker 1: know I've talked about this before on the pod um

1194
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:44,520
Speaker 1: players can get so practice centric, just so much in

1195
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:47,520
Speaker 1: the practice mode that they forget what they're doing on

1196
01:06:47,560 --> 01:06:50,440
Speaker 1: the golf course is the most important. And work your

1197
01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:53,400
Speaker 1: way backwards from the golf course, work your way backwards

1198
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:57,640
Speaker 1: from playing golf, and then saying, Okay, what are the

1199
01:06:57,720 --> 01:07:01,560
Speaker 1: areas that I need to work on, and then kind

1200
01:07:01,560 --> 01:07:05,040
Speaker 1: of get your practice schedule, get your practice sessions, and

1201
01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:09,960
Speaker 1: and go from there. Um. But practicing smarter. Um. If

1202
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:12,160
Speaker 1: you're a great putter, you don't need to spend all

1203
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:13,960
Speaker 1: of your time putting. I think a lot of times

1204
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:16,640
Speaker 1: players tend to practice what they're good at and not

1205
01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:19,520
Speaker 1: practice what they're not good at. And the best players

1206
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:21,120
Speaker 1: of the world that I'm lucky enough to be around,

1207
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:24,919
Speaker 1: they're always trying to improve their weaknesses and not necessarily

1208
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:27,120
Speaker 1: work so much on their strengths. And I mean DJ

1209
01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:30,440
Speaker 1: a great example. Last week. DJ has been in a

1210
01:07:30,520 --> 01:07:33,600
Speaker 1: really good vein of form in the last you know,

1211
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:37,600
Speaker 1: three or four tournaments, you know, the Portland Tournament, the

1212
01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:39,640
Speaker 1: Live Tournament, he had a chance to win that one,

1213
01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:42,000
Speaker 1: the Open Championship. He was in the hunt on the

1214
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:44,560
Speaker 1: back nine on Sunday, had a chance to win that one,

1215
01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:47,040
Speaker 1: had a chance to win the live event at Bedminster,

1216
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:51,480
Speaker 1: and then one last week in Boston. But when we

1217
01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:53,080
Speaker 1: were looking at what we we spent a lot of

1218
01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:55,120
Speaker 1: time on his putting because I I kind of think

1219
01:07:55,160 --> 01:07:58,200
Speaker 1: that if if DJ puts at all, he would have

1220
01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:01,800
Speaker 1: had a better chance at at picking victories. So we're

1221
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:04,120
Speaker 1: spending a lot of time right now on putting, and

1222
01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:06,000
Speaker 1: I think it really really panned out. I mean, I

1223
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:08,880
Speaker 1: think the way DJ putted over the weekend, UM is

1224
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:11,400
Speaker 1: some of the best putting he's had in a while. UM.

1225
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:13,400
Speaker 1: We don't stand on the driving range and hit a

1226
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:16,160
Speaker 1: lot of drivers, UM, because he's a good he's a

1227
01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:17,960
Speaker 1: good driver with the golf ball, and right now he

1228
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:21,679
Speaker 1: is really driving the ball well. So the constant theme

1229
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:24,479
Speaker 1: of looking at the areas that that you need to

1230
01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:27,920
Speaker 1: practice and focusing on those and and and work on

1231
01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:31,160
Speaker 1: your strengths as opposed to just kind of grinding out,

1232
01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:35,360
Speaker 1: UM constantly on what you are good at. UM. So

1233
01:08:35,400 --> 01:08:37,280
Speaker 1: the POD's back. I want to thank everyone for listening.

1234
01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:39,599
Speaker 1: We've got some really cool guests coming up. I think

1235
01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:42,960
Speaker 1: we've got some good guests being lined up. UM. I'm

1236
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:44,320
Speaker 1: going to do my best to try and get as

1237
01:08:44,320 --> 01:08:47,400
Speaker 1: many different guests from as many different parts of golf

1238
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:51,840
Speaker 1: as possible. Um blasting I want this podcast to do

1239
01:08:52,360 --> 01:08:54,439
Speaker 1: is just going to be to turn into a constant

1240
01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:57,240
Speaker 1: debate on the PGA Tour and Live because you know

1241
01:08:57,280 --> 01:09:00,240
Speaker 1: that's certainly going to get old um for everybody listen. Thing.

1242
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:02,639
Speaker 1: But it's a topic that we're gonna have to continue

1243
01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:05,040
Speaker 1: to discuss and and people that are in the golf

1244
01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:06,920
Speaker 1: space will have their opinions. I'll do my best to

1245
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:10,160
Speaker 1: try and and and get those opinions out, whether they

1246
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:12,320
Speaker 1: are people on the PGA Tour, whether the people that

1247
01:09:12,360 --> 01:09:15,719
Speaker 1: are playing on Live and everybody around engulf. So um

1248
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:19,240
Speaker 1: that's my goal and uh hopefully we can keep having

1249
01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:22,080
Speaker 1: great guests. But thanks everyone for listening. Son of A

1250
01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:25,519
Speaker 1: which comes to every Wednesday. We will see you next week.