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Speaker 4: biggie even amongst themselves.
Speaker 7: They're big men. That's what we're talking about.
Speaker 1: Interesting. Interesting, Okay, that's Worse of the Week. We got
Speaker 1: rapid firefun near the end, and we will touch briefly
Speaker 1: on last night's games. We'll fly through those only four
Speaker 1: on but I teased it.
Speaker 5: Today.
Speaker 1: It's Friday. We know that NBA All Star voting is open.
Speaker 1: You can start casting your votes filling out your ballots
Speaker 1: for the starters on NBA dot com. On the NBA app,
Speaker 1: you can get crazy and tweet in your favorite players too.
Speaker 1: Up to ten names a day. Got to include the
Speaker 1: hashtag NBA All Star if you do that. But why
Speaker 1: don't we do it ourselves?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 1: Why don't we debate who should be right now? You know,
Speaker 1: late January, who should be the ten starters for the
Speaker 1: All Star Game?
Speaker 6: Now?
Speaker 1: Whether we're not we even have an All Star game.
Speaker 1: We still don't know, but we're naming them. So this
Speaker 1: should be fun. So tax you're going to get a started.
Speaker 1: We're going to start in the Eastern Conference. Who are
Speaker 1: your five All Star Eastern Conference starters? Got to keep
Speaker 1: in mind you need two backcourt spots, three front court spots.
Speaker 1: You let us know and then we'll see or not
Speaker 1: figure out whether we agree or disagree. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think the fu guys that I ended up with
Speaker 4: could actually be the starters win it. When they are announced,
Speaker 4: whether or not there's a game, there will be starters
Speaker 4: and reserves announced. And I picked mine in the the
Speaker 4: order I thought of them. All Right, that's where I'm
Speaker 4: gonna go with here. It ended up it ended up
Speaker 4: being three bigs and two littles, But this is the
Speaker 4: way I thought of mine. This was the you know,
Speaker 4: the order of how they deserved it, or the ones
Speaker 4: that deserved in my opinion. So first I thought, Joel
Speaker 4: Embiid done. He's you know, he's just prominent in my mind.
Speaker 4: He's killing it all over the place. He's having his
Speaker 4: best year. He's having his best year shooting threes, but
Speaker 4: he's not taking a ton of them. He's having his
Speaker 4: best year shooting from the mid range. He's just phenomenal
Speaker 4: MVP candidate. And I thought Kevin Durant, he's kind of
Speaker 4: back to normal, maybe better than normal. His percentages are
Speaker 4: anyway second in the NBA and scoring thirty p p g.
Speaker 7: All right.
Speaker 4: So those are two big men spots, yep. And then
Speaker 4: the third one was also a big men for me.
Speaker 4: It's Giannis who's got to be there. We debated when
Speaker 4: we were debating a lot of basketball last night whether
Speaker 4: it could be de Matta Sabonis in one of those spots.
Speaker 4: Dematas Sabonis is almost assuredly going to be an All Star,
Speaker 4: and that's a heck of a compliment to be amongst
Speaker 4: that conversation, to be amongst the conversation with him, B
Speaker 4: Durant and Giannis. For Sabonis, that's great, I'll be Jannis
Speaker 4: is averaging twenty seven to ten and a half and
Speaker 4: five and a half assists, and those numbers are drop
Speaker 4: off from last year, that's true, but that's how good
Speaker 4: he fricking is. So those three guys are my forwards,
Speaker 4: my backcourt. And the fourth man I thought about was
Speaker 4: Bradley Beal thirty five points per game, even though his
Speaker 4: team is stinky. We can debate that. I think he
Speaker 4: is deserved of an All Star appearance. And the last guy,
Speaker 4: I guess this is where it gets controversial. It's Jalen
Speaker 4: Brown twenty seven points per game, eighth in the NBA
Speaker 4: career high field goal percentage three point percentage, keeping the
Speaker 4: Celtics afloat while Jason Tatum was out. Now the debate
Speaker 4: there at the guard spots probably James Harden. But I
Speaker 4: couldn't give it to a guy who showed up late
Speaker 4: for camp. I didn't seemingly want to be there, was
Speaker 4: parting it up. It's impossible to give it to him,
Speaker 4: I think. And plus he played in the Western Conference.
Speaker 4: I don't really Oh, oh.
Speaker 1: Talks that James hard and oh he's back, he's back.
Speaker 6: Okay, Yeah, we lost you there at the end when
Speaker 6: you were telling us a little bit about James Harden. MM.
Speaker 4: Well, for me, there's no chance you put him in
Speaker 4: the All Star Game to start. But I'm I'm not
Speaker 4: all high and mighty.
Speaker 7: I can't. I can put him in as a reserve.
Speaker 4: That's cool with me. I've got rules, but not like
Speaker 4: steadfast rules. Okay, he can be a backup. Zach Levine's
Speaker 4: probably in that conversation, but I'm happy with Himbie Durant, Janis,
Speaker 4: Bradley Beal, and Jalen Brown.
Speaker 1: Okay, what do you think lea of tasks five guys there?
Speaker 1: As he just went through them again, Embi, Jannis Katie
Speaker 1: and then the guards. I think it is a little
Speaker 1: more interesting maybe than the three forward spots for starters.
Speaker 1: We're just talking starters here. He's got Jayalen Brown and
Speaker 1: Bradley Beal, two guys you love. So what do you
Speaker 1: think of that?
Speaker 7: Right?
Speaker 8: And I've got exactly the same five, And I thought
Speaker 8: I thought Bradley Beal would probably be one that does
Speaker 8: cause a little bit of a conflict here between us
Speaker 8: because he's having such a great individual season, but the
Speaker 8: Wizards completely stink. And so do you rewarded guy who's
Speaker 8: putting up leading the league and scoring at thirty five
Speaker 8: a game over other guys, you know, like a Zach
Speaker 8: Lavine who's not having as good a numbers as Bradley Beal,
Speaker 8: but his team's having much better success.
Speaker 5: And I know that is someone who trade.
Speaker 8: I mean, the Bulls are back We've heard that all
Speaker 8: season long, but I ultimately did choose Beale because I
Speaker 8: think it's like, it's hard to leave a guy out
Speaker 8: averaging thirty five a game. And with Jalen Brown, I
Speaker 8: think he has not only improved his statistical numbers, he's
Speaker 8: just taken that leap this season to become a legit
Speaker 8: star player.
Speaker 5: He was unlucky.
Speaker 8: I think I had him last year actually to make
Speaker 8: the All Star team, and he didn't. I think this
Speaker 8: year he definitely will. I think Tatum is probably the
Speaker 8: other one who would have really been hard to keep
Speaker 8: out of the starting lineup if he hadn't missed a
Speaker 8: few games here. You know, I don't know exactly who
Speaker 8: we would have replaced because embiid Giannis and Kevin around
Speaker 8: are all having great seasons, but it certainly would have
Speaker 8: made it more a better conversation, but I ultimately left
Speaker 8: him out. Now he'll make the reserves, no question about it.
Speaker 8: So yeah, I have exactly the same five, and I
Speaker 8: think bal and Brown are deserving. I think there are
Speaker 8: other guys absolutely deserving of those spots, But for me,
Speaker 8: it came down to just think I think Brown's legit
Speaker 8: as a superstar and I think that Bradley bial at
Speaker 8: thirty five points a game, it's hard to keep him
Speaker 8: out of the starting lineup.
Speaker 1: What do you think, TK Beal? Is he in there?
Speaker 1: Thirty five points per game? It's nice. The numbers are impressive.
Speaker 1: His team's three and eleven. They stink. Are we gonna
Speaker 1: hold out against him?
Speaker 6: They stink. The only time you ever see Bradley Bial
Speaker 6: is he's scoring a whole bunch of points, this team
Speaker 6: is losing.
Speaker 1: And he looks sad.
Speaker 7: Get him out of here.
Speaker 6: I got Trey Young replacing Bradley Beal. That's my only change.
Speaker 6: Trey Young. His numbers aren't what Bradley Beal's are unless
Speaker 6: you're looking at the W column, and then they're a
Speaker 6: lot higher. The Hawks had a lot of hype coming
Speaker 6: into this season, and it's basically been their team from
Speaker 6: last year that's been doing it. They're playing at five
Speaker 6: hundred ball. He's Trey Young as a eleventh in scoring
Speaker 6: in the league. He's fourth and assists. I just think
Speaker 6: he's had a little bit more impact on the league
Speaker 6: than Bradley Beal has. All we ever talk about with
Speaker 6: him is scoring about a whole bunch of points, losing
Speaker 6: and should he be traded? That to me is not
Speaker 6: necessarily all star level. So yeah, give me Trey Young.
Speaker 6: I had a Bradley Bial easily.
Speaker 1: What's ironic about that, though, is if Bal is selected,
Speaker 1: you know, if the fans want him, and of course
Speaker 1: he gets the twenty five percent of the media vote
Speaker 1: and twenty five percent of the who's the final one
Speaker 1: the players? Right, they have a little bit of saying this,
Speaker 1: do I have that?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: I can never remember that. Beal making it if he
Speaker 1: as a starter, would be sort of similar to Trey
Speaker 1: Young right last year making it as a starter on
Speaker 1: a team at last year at least when the Hawks
Speaker 1: were like underperforming, didn't have a ton of wins, but
Speaker 1: he was putting up those monster numbers and that was
Speaker 1: the big debate where Trey Young got his first selection.
Speaker 1: But sort of similar here with Bill. So you have
Speaker 1: Trey Young over Bial, but no problem with Jayalen Brown
Speaker 1: as the other guard. And the bigs are the three
Speaker 1: that Testa started us off with.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that those four are locks.
Speaker 5: To me.
Speaker 6: In the Eastern Conference, you got to have a Celtic
Speaker 6: in there. Jalen Brown has been the most consistent Celtic
Speaker 6: you know, Kemball was out at the start of the season.
Speaker 6: Tatum obviously missed a little bit of time with COVID nineteen.
Speaker 6: So Jalen Brown's been carrying the team and he's been awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't disagree with where you guys are going.
Speaker 1: The beal is interesting because there are a lot of
Speaker 1: other guards and I think it's not just Trey Young
Speaker 1: in the mix, he said, Zach Lavine, you know, Harden
Speaker 1: is still James Harden and is still one of the
Speaker 1: best players in the game. Kyrie Irving has got to
Speaker 1: be in the conversation.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: He's only played twelve games. Lee, you might hold that
Speaker 1: against him. Colin Sexton, your boy, incredible numbers on a team,
Speaker 1: impressing a lot of people at five hundred the Cavs
Speaker 1: are he's only played thirteen games. And then the big
Speaker 1: Braga doga Malcolm Brogden. You know, as we've talked about
Speaker 1: a little bit before as a potential guard. Now, I
Speaker 1: don't think he's starting. I don't think he's on that
Speaker 1: level of some of these other guys, But does he
Speaker 1: get in there? And then I say all that to
Speaker 1: get to the point back to beial, is it possible
Speaker 1: Bradley Beal, Like, we have him starting in this game,
Speaker 1: but is it possible he doesn't even make the team
Speaker 1: because of all these guards I just listed, Like, at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, if he doesn't get selected
Speaker 1: as a starter, is he a guaranteed lock from the
Speaker 1: coaches task? Yep, he's a reserve. He's in there. He's
Speaker 1: leading the league in scoring. I don't care if his
Speaker 1: team sucks. I'm not I'm not one hundred percent sure
Speaker 1: that's the case.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's totally true.
Speaker 4: Trey Young got in last year as a starter, right,
Speaker 4: so it would be hard I think for coaches to
Speaker 4: look at the standings and pick a guy at the bottom.
Speaker 4: That's kind of the stance that coaches taken. That's why
Speaker 4: I'm a little surprised that Tray Kirby is taking that stance.
Speaker 4: Usually he's not a coach man. Usually he's an offense man.
Speaker 7: He's trying.
Speaker 4: Bradley Beal's putting up like nine more points a game
Speaker 4: than Trey Young, So I thought you'd be in Bradley
Speaker 4: Beal's corner.
Speaker 6: I'm in his corner. He's an All Star, no doubt
Speaker 6: about it, but he shouldn't be starting I mean, yeah,
Speaker 6: he's leading the league in scoring, but it does not
Speaker 6: matter at all. I mean, James Harden couldn't lead the
Speaker 6: league in scoring every single season, and it's a debate
Speaker 6: about if he should be a starter for the All
Speaker 6: Star Game his team was winning games. I don't think
Speaker 6: it's a I mean, beal, that's cool, man, Like, that's awesome.
Speaker 6: I like to see the points.
Speaker 8: I do.
Speaker 6: I like to see the highlight, but every single highlight
Speaker 6: ends with him like this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think that's not his fault at all
Speaker 4: to me. To me, that's not his fault. I mean
Speaker 4: Trey Young is he hasn't had an overwhelmingly great season.
Speaker 4: He's been good enough, but he you know, he hasn't
Speaker 4: been great. He just he hasn't played up to his
Speaker 4: capabilities either. So yeah, like Levigne should be in the conversation,
Speaker 4: I think Trey should be in the conversation.
Speaker 7: But I don't know.
Speaker 4: Bial The thing they got going for them is that
Speaker 4: they haven't played a lot of games, which is kind
Speaker 4: of dumb to say, because they've had so many guys
Speaker 4: out that maybe they can, you know, make their record
Speaker 4: kind of look respectable before the coaches have to check
Speaker 4: a box, so maybe that they have that going for them. Yeah,
Speaker 4: they are horrendous. They are very bad, and they've got
Speaker 4: like eight guys playing for them every single night. So
Speaker 4: it's a it's it's the worst situation in the NBA,
Speaker 4: I think in terms of, you know, the COVID situation
Speaker 4: and guys just being in and out of the lineup.
Speaker 1: Something tells me Beale will get a lot of fan
Speaker 1: votes because people want to free him from Washington and
Speaker 1: he's top of mind, always go on for forty and
Speaker 1: forty five every night.
Speaker 6: And they're over estimating how many Wizards fans there are.
Speaker 6: I don't think Bradley Beal is like a beloved Heightens guy.
Speaker 6: He hasn't even really been touching All Star starter status
Speaker 6: in the past, especially amongst the fan votes.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 1: So so you think it'd be more likely that Trey
Speaker 1: Young han't gotten the vote of course last year by
Speaker 1: a lot of the fans and stuff like that, and
Speaker 1: still the Hawks are decent that he's more likely just
Speaker 1: pull in more votes. Yeah, that's true, that's possible.
Speaker 4: I think Bradley Beal had that interview last year with
Speaker 4: Chris Haynes where he was extremely angry that he was
Speaker 4: I think somewhere like tenth amongst guards in All Star voting.
Speaker 7: It was back.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's way down there in terms of popularity. You know,
Speaker 4: he's number one in le Allis's heart, there's no doubt,
Speaker 4: but he's down there in terms of guards like Trey Young.
Speaker 7: Yet I'm around it.
Speaker 1: I just feel like I keep seeing like Sports Center tweeting,
Speaker 1: like another awesome game from Bradley Beal, and Trey said,
Speaker 1: like sad look on his face, and everyone's like free
Speaker 1: Bradley Bial Free Bradley Bill free blow. But yeah, that
Speaker 1: doesn't mean it's going to translate into votes for sure. Well.
Speaker 8: The other thing is as well, he's not just putting
Speaker 8: up horrific numbers on bad shooting splits or anything like
Speaker 8: he's forty eight percent from the field, thirty seven percent
Speaker 8: from downtown, ninety percent basically from the line, and getting
Speaker 8: the five rebounds of five assists and a steal in
Speaker 8: a half a game. So he's he's it's not like
Speaker 8: he's putting it up on just horrid percentages where no
Speaker 8: one else is doing anything at all because all the
Speaker 8: defense is coming to him. So he's having an efficient season,
Speaker 8: it's just the Wizards themselves stuck.
Speaker 1: So do you think Hardin and Kyrie sort of, you know,
Speaker 1: wash each other out too with their potential, you know,
Speaker 1: likelihood of starting this game at.
Speaker 8: Least, Yeah, I think it would be tough to have
Speaker 8: both of them in and Kevin Durant on that team.
Speaker 8: I think with James Harden, I think it's fair to
Speaker 8: only take into account his time in Brooklyn so far
Speaker 8: to this point and now his numbers from He's played
Speaker 8: seven games for the Nets and he played eight for
Speaker 8: the Rockets, and his numbers are pretty much identical. But
Speaker 8: I just think you have to discount out those first
Speaker 8: games in Houston because he just his attitude and his
Speaker 8: body language just wasn't there.
Speaker 5: But out of the two he and Kyrie, because Kyrie.
Speaker 8: Just kind of took some time off as well, I
Speaker 8: think that probably hurts Kyrie's chances. So Harden's probably slightly ahead,
Speaker 8: but I just feel they could both still get in
Speaker 8: because they're both star players. But I feel it would
Speaker 8: be tough to have three Nets guys. If the Nets
Speaker 8: are only sort of middle of the pack in terms
Speaker 8: of win losses in the Eastning Conference.
Speaker 1: Well, the Bean Town Boys were crazy. I think if
Speaker 1: Jalen Brown is not selected as a starter over like
Speaker 1: another net like like you're saying, like a hard inner, Kyrie,
Speaker 1: I think Jaalen Brown has a really good chance to
Speaker 1: actually get in there as a starter, which is damn impressive.
Speaker 1: If that happens, Zach Lavine, I would just love the
Speaker 1: bulls Tray. I know they are back, but if they
Speaker 1: were ten and seven right now instead of seven and ten,
Speaker 1: oh man, it would be very very easy. I think
Speaker 1: to go like guys scoring twenty seven a game on
Speaker 1: unbelievable shooting percentages and you'd be like, oh, yeah, he's
Speaker 1: in right now. But I don't know there's a record obviously,
Speaker 1: does leave a little bit left to be desired.
Speaker 6: Unless you're three and eleven, then you can be a starter.
Speaker 6: I can't believe it. I can't believe that you guys
Speaker 6: are the ones who are supporting Zach Levine for an
Speaker 6: all star starter case. But I love to hear it.
Speaker 6: He was going to be my guy that I'm backing
Speaker 6: as a potential underrated guy who needs a little bit
Speaker 6: of love. You saw a tweet from Dwayne Wade last
Speaker 6: night saying, get Zach Levine in the All Star Game.
Speaker 6: He needs to be there. Twenty seven, five and five.
Speaker 6: He's fifth in the league in scoring fifty forty eighty
Speaker 6: seven percent from the free throw line. The final piece
Speaker 6: of the Bulls being back will be having an All Star.
Speaker 6: So yeah, I definitely think Zach Levine is an All Star.
Speaker 6: I don't have him as a starter. You're right. If
Speaker 6: they're ten and seven, perhaps he is. If they would
Speaker 6: have won one of those maybe two of those games
Speaker 6: when they lost four in a row by a combined
Speaker 6: eleven points. If he makes one of those step back threes,
Speaker 6: has a couple of more game winners under his belt,
Speaker 6: then you maybe have him as a starter. But definitely
Speaker 6: I got him in as an All Star when it's
Speaker 6: reserved time.
Speaker 1: All right, So we mostly agree Embiid Yannis Katie as
Speaker 1: the frontcore players, and then Jalen Brown. We all have
Speaker 1: and then it's either beal because you're just like man
Speaker 1: twenty five points per game. I don't care if his
Speaker 1: team stinks or TK gone with the other tray in
Speaker 1: Trey Young. Right now, let's get to that question that
Speaker 1: you just sort of pitched there too, Trey. I want
Speaker 1: you to dream big here, Lee I'll go to you first,
Speaker 1: you know, go to bat for a guy in the
Speaker 1: East who's underrated that deserves some consideration. And I'm not
Speaker 1: talking starters here, just like moving forward that you want
Speaker 1: to go to bat four and say this guy deserves
Speaker 1: a look for actually making the team when the coaches
Speaker 1: make their selections, who you got.
Speaker 5: I'm going with the.
Speaker 8: Sex Man because it started out all a bit of
Speaker 8: fun and games there with the Cavs, and they got
Speaker 8: off to a hot start. But and he has missed
Speaker 8: a few games. They only played thirteen games, but he's
Speaker 8: scoring twenty five point two points a game on fifty
Speaker 8: two percent shooting and forty seven percent from downtown and
Speaker 8: getting for assists the game. Now, the Caves themselves are
Speaker 8: nine to nine, okay, so their record isn't great, but
Speaker 8: it's been more than just a sort of flash in
Speaker 8: the pan here from Sex and he's been playing really
Speaker 8: good basketball. And you know again that that record is
Speaker 8: better than I think a lot of us expected to
Speaker 8: have the Cleveland Cavaliers in at this point of the season.
Speaker 8: I thought they were going to be way worse than
Speaker 8: they are. But does he get in over someone like
Speaker 8: Malcolm Brogden who's putting up nice numbers himself at twenty
Speaker 8: three points a game on forty six percent shooting and
Speaker 8: seven assists a game. But it's the Paces and the
Speaker 8: Pacers are having a better season in terms of win
Speaker 8: losses than the Cleveland Cavaliers. But because Brogden doesn't stand out,
Speaker 8: doesn't have a lot of highlight plays, does that hurt
Speaker 8: his case and help someone like a Sexton who has
Speaker 8: been you know, the prettiest kid in school at the
Speaker 8: moment this year because it's like, wow, I look at
Speaker 8: the cars, it's a great story. They're great fun to
Speaker 8: ok there from sax Land, you know, And so do
Speaker 8: the coaches go, well, listen. I think Brogden is one
Speaker 8: of those guys who's been overlooked probably the last season
Speaker 8: or two, and he deserves to get in. Or do
Speaker 8: we just go with someone who's like having a fun
Speaker 8: season and catching a few more eyes in, someone like
Speaker 8: Colin Sexton. So I think they're both deserving, but I
Speaker 8: don't think they both get in because again you're going
Speaker 8: to have someone like, you know, Zach Lavine, I think
Speaker 8: is a pretty much a lock for an All Star
Speaker 8: Berth at this point, I'd be shocked if he didn't
Speaker 8: make it. And then you've got someone like Ben Simmons
Speaker 8: as well. I mean Ben Simmons on his team, you
Speaker 8: know he's going to be in consideration as well, even
Speaker 8: though he doesn't have those huge numbers, but his team's very,
Speaker 8: very successful and they're winning a lot. And then again
Speaker 8: we've got the hardened Kyrie situation. So I think when
Speaker 8: you break it all down, someone like a Sexton or
Speaker 8: Malcolm Brogden is going to miss out. Though at this
Speaker 8: point of the season where we sit today, I think
Speaker 8: both are deserving. But I just wonder does Brogden being
Speaker 8: on the paces hurt him because it's just kind of
Speaker 8: overlooked and he's not a flashy player.
Speaker 1: I think you can lock that in that you're right,
Speaker 1: one of those guys, be at Brogden or Sexton, or
Speaker 1: maybe even both are not ultimately selected. So yeah, that'll
Speaker 1: hurt because they've both had really good years and surprised
Speaker 1: a lot of people. In Sexton case. Okay, that's a
Speaker 1: good one.
Speaker 6: So the Eastern Conference, though, like Leah saying, Harden and
Speaker 6: Kyrie will probably make the game spoiler alert, they're still
Speaker 6: All Stars, even if the way that he James Harden
Speaker 6: left Houston was distasteful. Kyrie Irving taking a couple of
Speaker 6: weeks off distasteful. There's still going to be All Stars.
Speaker 6: Like you guys are saying, Zach Lavine likely a Locke.
Speaker 6: There's not a lot of guard spots left out there,
Speaker 6: so I kind of think Sexton and Brogden might be
Speaker 6: left in the cold because they both got big men
Speaker 6: All Stars on their team as well. Boner, no doubt,
Speaker 6: is an All Star you guys are talking about potentially
Speaker 6: as a starter. I think you can lock him in,
Speaker 6: and I think Andre Drummond is the guy that's going
Speaker 6: to get in from the Cleveland Cavaliers. He's leading the
Speaker 6: league in rebounding. He's been very entertaining. He had the
Speaker 6: clip where he just stopped playing for a little bit,
Speaker 6: held the ball there. He's been grabbing that big beef,
Speaker 6: and he has been instrumental to the Cavs turnaround, cleaning
Speaker 6: up on defense, running the court, making plays here and there.
Speaker 6: I think that Boner and Drummond are both going to
Speaker 6: definitely be making the All Star team, which makes it tough.
Speaker 6: It makes it tough for to get two All Stars
Speaker 6: from the Caves and the pacers. Once you start adding
Speaker 6: things up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you got All Stars, and you're really you're driving
Speaker 4: home two nicknames this year. It's hard to drive home
Speaker 4: two nicknames. Got Beef and Boner, I mean Boner, Beef,
Speaker 4: Beef and Boner at this.
Speaker 3: In the same breath.
Speaker 4: It's gonna be tough. One's gonna make the All Star
Speaker 4: team for sure. I'll nickname all starts. One will be
Speaker 4: appearing at All Start weekend, probably here in Atlanta that
Speaker 4: they're seemingly gonna have, which is nuts.
Speaker 1: I think it's more likely Boner's in over Beef. I'm
Speaker 1: not convinced Drummond, despite the monster numbers, you made a
Speaker 1: great case TK, but you know, I go through some
Speaker 1: other bigs like bam Is Bam a Locke. I know
Speaker 1: the Heat stink, but he was already an All Star.
Speaker 1: That always helps with the coaches too. They sort of
Speaker 1: like just to run it back. And it's not like
Speaker 1: he's gotten worse. If anything, he looks even more impressive.
Speaker 1: And maybe these numbers are not gonna wow you, but
Speaker 1: he's a twenty what nine and six guy and he's
Speaker 1: been there. Their only real rock there on the Heat
Speaker 1: with Butler playing missing, so many games and then Tatum
Speaker 1: like we said, that's a forward. Yeah, I just don't know.
Speaker 1: I start, you start running out of spots, and then
Speaker 1: I'll go to bat for my guy here who I
Speaker 1: think will be in the mix, who I've compared before
Speaker 1: already to Chris Middleton. It's Tobias Harris, who's having a
Speaker 1: really incredible season. Now you brought up Ben Simmons. That's
Speaker 1: interestingly because it's like, is Simmons even the second best
Speaker 1: player on the Sixers right now? Or does Tobias Harris
Speaker 1: deserve that? Now Simmons brings it out eventively, but that
Speaker 1: defensive you know, they don't care about the that in
Speaker 1: the All Star Game so much. But Tobias Harris twenty
Speaker 1: seven and three, his shooting splits fifty two from the floor,
Speaker 1: forty six from three to eighty two at the line,
Speaker 1: and his numbers again compare him to Middleton really really close.
Speaker 1: And if you're the best team in the East, are
Speaker 1: you a lock to get two All Stars? In that case?
Speaker 1: You know, we've seen it with the Bucks before, like
Speaker 1: Middleton making it and deservedly so in my mind. With
Speaker 1: Giannis over a couple of years, last couple of years,
Speaker 1: so I think the case is being made for Tobias
Speaker 1: Harris over Simmons and then over some of these other
Speaker 1: bigs that were maybe thrown out there. If the Sixers
Speaker 1: have the number one record in the East for sure,
Speaker 1: for sure, what do you think, Lee?
Speaker 5: Yeah, No, that's the thing.
Speaker 8: I mean, sometimes a team can be a good team
Speaker 8: and not have that clear cut number two option. And
Speaker 8: that's the thing, like if you look at the imagine
Speaker 8: they got three All Stars with a superior an inferior
Speaker 8: record to the Sixers, and the Sixers only got one.
Speaker 8: I mean, because that is also possible. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 8: Ben Simmons may miss out from the guard spot because
Speaker 8: he doesn't put up those huge numbers even though he's
Speaker 8: got you know, he's averaging about eight rebounds, eight assists,
Speaker 8: and you know, a dozen points a game. But he
Speaker 8: he is their second best player, even if Harris is
Speaker 8: you know, perhaps had a little bit of better of
Speaker 8: a run here, and certainly he's been better under Doc
Speaker 8: Rivers than he was under Brett Brown there Harris, So
Speaker 8: it's one of those weird things. I mean, if Simmons
Speaker 8: was nearly to be traded this season and then to
Speaker 8: get overlooked for an All Star birth to one of
Speaker 8: his teammates. I mean he would he'd probably not be
Speaker 8: too happy with all that right now, even though we
Speaker 8: wouldn't take it out on Tobias Harris, but he would
Speaker 8: just feel pretty much slighted and snubbed. I think, so, yeah,
Speaker 8: it's you know, drummer. Drummond is also another very very
Speaker 8: interesting case because he is just putting up monster numbers
Speaker 8: and he's been a two time All Star and he's
Speaker 8: never done in back to back years.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like, you know, he has.
Speaker 8: These huge numbers, that's All Star numbers you're in, but
Speaker 8: then it's kind of like it doesn't really contribute to winning.
Speaker 8: But this season it has been and he's been doing
Speaker 8: so much more for his team. So, uh yeah, I
Speaker 8: can't wait till we get into the reserves and the
Speaker 8: nitty gritty because this season just feels different as well,
Speaker 8: doesn't it. They just it just doesn't seem like it
Speaker 8: has in the past. Like the Raptors today, I don't
Speaker 8: think they get any old stuff.
Speaker 1: They get they get nobody for sure.
Speaker 8: But by the time we make the reserve selections, if
Speaker 8: they go on a bit of a run, I mean
Speaker 8: it might be Fred van.
Speaker 6: Vleet, I mean joby, Yeah, yeah, I mean yeah.
Speaker 4: I can't believe we went twenty five minutes to start
Speaker 4: this podcast without talking about I don't.
Speaker 1: Think I don't think they get anybody lee even with
Speaker 1: a run. I don't I'm gonna Beckham. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's lowry anymore of vi in Vleet. I could hear
Speaker 1: your case for him? Oh gee, maybe does he have
Speaker 1: the best case of the four of them. Maybe it's
Speaker 1: not happening. They don't deserve one either.
Speaker 7: Really no, no, they're not getting one. Let's not.
Speaker 1: I mean, but if you're taking Drummond on pure like
Speaker 1: massive numbers on a five hundred team, great, what about Vucevic?
Speaker 5: God man, I'm being.
Speaker 1: Serious here though. If you're like goo to make a
Speaker 1: case for eighty, you can make the exact same case
Speaker 1: for Vooch, who's been an All Star, who's putting up
Speaker 1: even better numbers than he ever has twenty four, eleven
Speaker 1: and four on really good shooting numbers, two fifty, forty
Speaker 1: four and eighty two the splits, you know, a pr
Speaker 1: of twenty five that's one of the tops in the league,
Speaker 1: like the Magic Are you know a five hundred is
Speaker 1: team eight and eleven, Well, five hundred ish team.
Speaker 6: You cannot bring up a record if you're putting Bradley
Speaker 6: Beal in your starters, do not care what any other
Speaker 6: team's record is, right starting a guy that's three and eleven.
Speaker 1: So I'm just saying I think Vooch is right there
Speaker 1: with Adn't. I don't know what do you think tests I.
Speaker 4: Think the guy who gets the sort of snowball effect
Speaker 4: from the last couple of seasons. Because the Milwaukee Bucks
Speaker 4: are still good as Chris Middleton, I think he's still
Speaker 4: gonna make it. His numbers are better this year and
Speaker 4: they're still in the second seed, even though we kind
Speaker 4: of overlooked them. They've got a great point differential. I
Speaker 4: think he'll get in over any second sixer, over Ben
Speaker 4: Simmons or Tobias Harris. I think he would get there.
Speaker 4: And I think they are gonna the coaches are gonna
Speaker 4: look at bam Adebayo real hard and heavy over somebody
Speaker 4: like Andre Drummond because BAM's numbers are real good compared
Speaker 4: to last year. He's up like four plus points per game,
Speaker 4: his percentages are up, He's having a career year and
Speaker 4: he had. He doesn't have Jimmy Butler's weight hanging him hanging,
Speaker 4: you know, bringing him down. Because Jimmy Butler isn't making
Speaker 4: the All Star team. He's been out three weeks almost here.
Speaker 4: That's a lot of weeks in this shortened season. So
Speaker 4: I think the yeah, that what will come down to
Speaker 4: is probably like a Bam Drummond for me, And I
Speaker 4: think BAM's you know, he's just.
Speaker 7: He's a number one.
Speaker 4: He's a better player. I guess that's why he probably
Speaker 4: gets in. But yet, you know, other coaches have to
Speaker 4: game plan for him, and Colin Sexton maybe takes away
Speaker 4: a little shine from Andre Drummond while the Heat don't
Speaker 4: have another guy to take away Bam shines. So yeah,
Speaker 4: I know, Chris, I know, Chris Middleton isn't the sexy name,
Speaker 4: but man, the guy keeps doing it and he lacka man. Yeah,
Speaker 4: everybody talks about him on every broadcast. He is doing
Speaker 4: this fifty forty ninety. But yeah, when when the boxer check,
Speaker 4: when fans are voting, they probably don't vote Chris Middleton.
Speaker 4: It's like a Bradley Beale situation. Not real high on
Speaker 4: the ballots, but coaches respect that man, and he's become
Speaker 4: more of a number one scorer on the Milwaukee Bucks team,
Speaker 4: even though he doesn't lead the team in scoring, not
Speaker 4: even close to Jannest, but is their ball handler at
Speaker 4: the end of the games a lot of the time.
Speaker 1: All right, let's move over to the West, Trey, we're
Speaker 1: gonna give you this one, your five All Star Western
Speaker 1: Conference starters A getting two guards, three forwards. Where you're going,
Speaker 1: big guy, let me do this task Melis style.
Speaker 6: I'll tell you I hadn't thought of it this way,
Speaker 6: but I like it. Mellis style. Right here, I'll tell
Speaker 6: you as I thought of them. Who should be the
Speaker 6: All Stars? Number one, Lebron James. I think he's gonna
Speaker 6: make it this year. I got him as a starter.
Speaker 6: I think he'll do all right in the fan though
Speaker 6: he's one of my forwards. Number two that I thought about,
Speaker 6: perhaps controversial. Steph Curry, Okay, I just want him in there.
Speaker 6: I mean, he's obviously not having an MVP season. The
Speaker 6: Warriors haven't been great. They've had some ups and some downs,
Speaker 6: but come on, Steph Curry still an All Star for me.
Speaker 6: Then I got Kawhi Leonard as my third guy. I
Speaker 6: thought about fifty forty ninety. He is at twenty five
Speaker 6: points per game. The Clippers are balling. Sorry, we talked
Speaker 6: about OG before we got to the Clippers, but we
Speaker 6: had to do the Eastern Conference then the Western Conference.
Speaker 6: Nikola Jokic is my biggest of big men also starting.
Speaker 6: He's an MVP candidate and the last guard. I was
Speaker 6: working hard to keep him out. If I'm being completely
Speaker 6: honest here, I could have gone for Damian Lillard, I
Speaker 6: could have gone for Donovan Mitchell, but the Donk Man,
Speaker 6: the guy's at basically a triple double right now. He's
Speaker 6: been playing MVP basketball since the second week of the season.
Speaker 6: The Mavericks have just been kind of decimated by health
Speaker 6: and safety protocols. They're not making shots, but don Chech
Speaker 6: is still performing out there. So that's my five steph Luka, Kawhi, Lebron,
Speaker 6: and Nikola Jokic.
Speaker 1: Those are the exact five guys I ultimately decided on too,
Speaker 1: And like you said, I was the exact same way
Speaker 1: with Luca, just because I was like, Ah, is there
Speaker 1: anyone else that's deserving of that other guard spot? And
Speaker 1: I was like, no, there's not there really isn't. And
Speaker 1: it's funny with Curry, I think you could throw Lebron
Speaker 1: in there, and Yo honis in the East. These guys
Speaker 1: are all having like down years for them really, you know, statistically,
Speaker 1: but they're still like all NBA incredible seasons and it's
Speaker 1: like there's still no brainers for starting an All Star Game,
Speaker 1: like the three of those guys, these are not. It's
Speaker 1: amazing to me when you look at the numbers that
Speaker 1: all three of them have right now, and it's like
Speaker 1: a again, it's like a bad year for them over
Speaker 1: their last couple. It's just sort of like mind blowing.
Speaker 1: But I got them in there too. Leally, is there
Speaker 1: anyone else you want to make a case for it
Speaker 1: to be starting in the West, Well.
Speaker 8: I want to make a case for Donovan Mitchell because
Speaker 8: his team is doing so well, but I don't think
Speaker 8: he's had a better season than Steph Curry or don
Speaker 8: chicch in terms of pure you know numbers there. But
Speaker 8: I just think the Jazz playing obviously the best basketball
Speaker 8: right now, and in fact, they've got themselves to the
Speaker 8: top of the Western Conference with the Lakers having dropped
Speaker 8: a couple of games there lately, so the Jazz having
Speaker 8: won ten straight fourteen and four, you know, great defense.
Speaker 8: Mitchell obviously missed their last game, but prior to that,
Speaker 8: I mean he's balling. But his numbers, again, they're sort
Speaker 8: of middle of the road numbers, you know, in terms
Speaker 8: of in terms of when you're compared, like like he's
Speaker 8: only averaging twenty three point four points a game, five assists,
Speaker 8: and four and a half rebounds. So it's not like
Speaker 8: he's out there just torching teams by himself. But that's
Speaker 8: the Jazz Is way, isn't it. You know, they have
Speaker 8: team players, you know, Rudy Gobert. I think Mitchell and
Speaker 8: Gobert ultimately both make the team, but trying to get
Speaker 8: them into the starting lineup stuff. Jokic absolutely deserves to
Speaker 8: be in there. Of course, Lebron is as well, so
Speaker 8: Kawhi and the Clippers. I mean, they've been a little
Speaker 8: bit off the radar lately because they haven't been playing,
Speaker 8: and Paul George is also having a very good season,
Speaker 8: So I think I think George and Kawhi make it.
Speaker 8: I think Kawhi probably gets that starting not but you
Speaker 8: could probably make a case for Paul George is her
Speaker 8: guard is he a fourd who knows he's.
Speaker 2: A four.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately?
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's a forward. I was trying to game the
Speaker 6: system last night. I was trying to move Kawhi Leonard
Speaker 6: up to my second guard there with Steph Curry so
Speaker 6: I could get go Bear and Jokic in the starting lineup.
Speaker 6: We've been going too long without these big guys. Now
Speaker 6: we're thrown out two huge guys in the starting lineup.
Speaker 6: No more Lebron jumping center. We want the giants, but
Speaker 6: you'll get you at the point guard spot. There you
Speaker 6: go the guard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, it's interesting, like of the five that Trey
Speaker 1: you know through out there to start, and I agree
Speaker 1: with Yeah, Paul George is a is a big omission
Speaker 1: because he's played incredible basketball so far. But it's tough
Speaker 1: with Kawhi there and then Anthony Davis tests right, I
Speaker 1: mean it's a It's like, I'm not saying he should
Speaker 1: be in these five starting I think he'll be an
Speaker 1: All Star, but like, that's pretty wild that he's that
Speaker 1: he's not in the mix. He's having a bit of
Speaker 1: a down year all things considered for him. Is that
Speaker 1: fair to say?
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's headed himself. He said you know, he told
Speaker 4: Chris Webber in a long diatribe last week when he
Speaker 4: got the mic, and Chris Webbers said, how do you
Speaker 4: feel going into this year? And he just he just
Speaker 4: talked and talked and talked like he was in the
Speaker 4: chair like I'm just just don't have my flow. It
Speaker 4: can't find it. And so it's okay not to be
Speaker 4: as good as Jokic, Lebron and Kawhi to start this season.
Speaker 4: Those guys are phenomenal. The guard spots are where I
Speaker 4: differ a little bit, as Steph Curry I got in there.
Speaker 4: I guess the guard spot is where I differ. I
Speaker 4: would take Dame over Doncic at this point. Dacic's numbers
Speaker 4: solid as always, but he told us he wasn't in
Speaker 4: great shape and his three point percentage shows that shooting
Speaker 4: it it's bad. Yeah, he's just and he had to
Speaker 4: sit a little bit. Dame's numbers are phenomenal, shooting on
Speaker 4: good percentages, and so I would still take him scoring
Speaker 4: more than Luca. You know, if Dallas had some better
Speaker 4: players around Luca, his record could be better. That would
Speaker 4: help out. Same with Dame in a crazy way, although
Speaker 4: they're you know a little bit about five hundred, a
Speaker 4: bit better than the MAVs. I think Dame's been there
Speaker 4: night in and night out, and so I would take
Speaker 4: him over Luca, who Yeah, he's freaking phenomenal. But I've
Speaker 4: got standards in the in the Eastern Conference. James Harden,
Speaker 4: you come into camp fat. You can be a reserve,
Speaker 4: but you can't be a starter. Luca, you come into
Speaker 4: camp just a little bit Chubb. You can't be a starter.
Speaker 4: You can be a reserve. Nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 4: You're coming off the bench this year, and that'll teach
Speaker 4: you to come into camp healthy.
Speaker 1: I think it's there for the taking for that spot,
Speaker 1: that second spot. In terms of the fans for Luca
Speaker 1: or Dame, Like if one of them just goes on
Speaker 1: a monster monster run here and their team gets some victories,
Speaker 1: I think like that's up in the air. That one
Speaker 1: is tough. You know, people love Dame. Of course Luca
Speaker 1: gets the votes too. There's a huge you know, swelling
Speaker 1: and support for him too. But it's it's there. I
Speaker 1: think Curry, you can sort of lock in again despite
Speaker 1: having sort of a weird down year. It's not it's not.
Speaker 1: I mean, he didn't play last year. Because he was injured,
Speaker 1: but the year before that and the year prior to that,
Speaker 1: but yeah, we will see. All right, let's get to
Speaker 1: the final question here and I'll get it started. Is
Speaker 1: it's the same thing as we did in the East.
Speaker 1: Underrated West player that deserves some consideration. Do you have
Speaker 1: any idea where I'm going to go with this one?
Speaker 1: You know, I gotta start doing it. I got I
Speaker 1: gotta strum up the support, even if it doesn't pay
Speaker 1: off for this year. I gotta start thinking ahead for
Speaker 1: next year with that bet that Tray and I have.
Speaker 1: It's Shay Gildess Alexander, who Look, if I'm being honest,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be tough for him to actually make the team,
Speaker 1: but he's deserving. He is really putting up incredible numbers
Speaker 1: on a team that surprised a lot of people. Twenty
Speaker 1: two and a half points per game, five and a
Speaker 1: half boards, six and a half assists, fifty percent from
Speaker 1: the floor, thirty eight from three great and okay, see
Speaker 1: is I still I think they're eight and nine right now?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 1: They're currently tied for tenth, a little too low. If
Speaker 1: the Thunder could go on a run right now, that'd
Speaker 1: be great timing to help his chances, you know, get
Speaker 1: up to fifth or six. But I was thinking about it.
Speaker 1: It's not that far fetched actually that he could could
Speaker 1: make it this year. Gonna be difficult. Here's what I mean. Curry,
Speaker 1: Luca and Dame Locks. That's three guards that are in
Speaker 1: Whether you're starting Curry and Luka or you're starting Kurran Dame,
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. The three of them are in there. How
Speaker 1: many guards are gonna be on the team? Five or six?
Speaker 7: Right?
Speaker 1: You gotta hope six if SGA's gonna get in there,
Speaker 1: because then you go, all right, Harden's in the East. Good,
Speaker 1: he's out of here, Westbrook, don't worry about him. Means
Speaker 1: he's the East. He's not gonna make it anyway. Klay Thompson,
Speaker 1: of course, is injured all year, and then CJ McCollum
Speaker 1: getting injured is that's a bummer of course for him.
Speaker 1: I think he would have been a no brainer to
Speaker 1: make this team for the first time. He's gonna missed
Speaker 1: a lot of games because he's out like four weeks
Speaker 1: right at minimum, So he's probably out now again, unfortunately,
Speaker 1: but that opens up a spot maybe for an SGA.
Speaker 1: So who's he battling Donovan Mitchell. You guys said who
Speaker 1: you could make the case for starting, and then it's
Speaker 1: like Jamal Murray he hasn't had that great a year.
Speaker 1: Demart rosen AD's Derozen like year, but he always gets overlooked.
Speaker 1: John Morant, No, he played like five games. Devin Booker guy,
Speaker 1: obviously I love too. He's good. He has not wowed
Speaker 1: a lot of people. I would say this year. This
Speaker 1: is not Bubble Booker twenty three points per game. But
Speaker 1: the Suns have like come back to earth a little bit.
Speaker 1: You ain't getting any guards from the Pelicans or the Wolves,
Speaker 1: and then the Rockets are interesting with Wall and Oladipo.
Speaker 1: So I guess I'm saying all of that to say,
Speaker 1: like there's maybe that one spot if the thunder or
Speaker 1: like you know, plus five hundred, the SGA could maybe
Speaker 1: do it, maybe maybe do it. But then you got
Speaker 1: the coaches having to select a young young guy like
Speaker 1: him over a guy that's already made it in a
Speaker 1: Booker or maybe even in Ola depot or something like that.
Speaker 1: So I'll go to bat for him, and I just did.
Speaker 1: But uh, I think that BET's gonna carry over. Traded
Speaker 1: next season.
Speaker 6: And it ain't happen in this year.
Speaker 1: That's why it's gonna get really interesting next year.
Speaker 6: Get in line, SGA, Mike Conley I think would be
Speaker 6: chosen like ahead of SGA as well. And yeah, like
Speaker 6: you're you're counting down all the guards and the numbers
Speaker 6: and stuff, but on the bench it doesn't matter. Paul
Speaker 6: George can be a guard and a forward then, so
Speaker 6: he might be taking that kind of spot as well.
Speaker 6: It's just tough out there. It's tough.
Speaker 1: Great point.
Speaker 6: I'm not committed to who I'm standing for yet Skeets,
Speaker 6: but there's a chance it's gonna be Zion Williamson. I
Speaker 6: don't know if he's really an All Star. I don't know,
Speaker 6: but he's the best paint scorer since Shack and I
Speaker 6: love it. It looks like you're watching the new Charles
Speaker 6: Barkley out there, the way he slices in between guys
Speaker 6: finishes at the rim. Obviously he's not playing defense and
Speaker 6: the Pelicans aren't winning, but there was a Pelican All
Speaker 6: Star last year. Perhaps they're able to snag another one
Speaker 6: this year. I don't know if it would be Zion
Speaker 6: over brandon Ingram, but I'm preparing myself to be making
Speaker 6: Zion Williamson cases come February in March.
Speaker 1: Okay, what about U, task, who are you going to
Speaker 1: bat for?
Speaker 4: Well, you know, I want to be in your corner
Speaker 4: there skeets. I want to get in the Canadians corner.
Speaker 4: I think what the photoshop boys have got to do
Speaker 4: is they gotta gotta make us a video. You gotta
Speaker 4: we gotta develop. You know, Trey's been doing a little
Speaker 4: video work. I think if you can get SGA's initials
Speaker 4: on a screen and then you know, you do a
Speaker 4: little whirldly twirly effect and all of a sudden asg
Speaker 4: materializes SJA All Star.
Speaker 1: Whoa pretty good?
Speaker 4: Yeah, come on, coaches, get behind that tick tick boom.
Speaker 4: He's been great. But yeah, I it's it's weird.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 4: I'm a huge Ion Williamson fan. Not because he's on
Speaker 4: my fantasy team, not because Luca's on my fantasy tea.
Speaker 4: I'm just I just love watching Zion. But can you
Speaker 4: bring Zion and Brandon Ingram? I know, but you know
Speaker 4: it's like Brandon Ingram is the best player on that team.
Speaker 4: Zion is probably getting the most hype on that team.
Speaker 4: But Uh, it's yeah, you get one if you're on
Speaker 4: the bench. The West is just tough, you know. The
Speaker 4: the Jazz, I think can only get.
Speaker 7: It's crazy, it's crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we finish your thought. Were you gonna say they
Speaker 1: only get one?
Speaker 5: Now?
Speaker 7: Go bar?
Speaker 1: Last year didn't they?
Speaker 4: I know, but I'm thinking about yeah, I'm thinking about Yeah.
Speaker 4: It's hard to have two reserves from the same team though,
Speaker 4: you know, unless you're a top, top team, it just
Speaker 4: doesn't happen a lot. And so h yeah, those two
Speaker 4: will get there. That's why Mike con League is highly
Speaker 4: unlikely to make it, even though he might win the Defensive.
Speaker 7: Player of the Year.
Speaker 4: But yeah, it's and they're and they've snuck into the
Speaker 4: one seed now with the Lakers dropping down, so they
Speaker 4: should they should get two.
Speaker 1: With a bullet lee, what do you think?
Speaker 8: Well, Conley again, he is playing really good basketball considering
Speaker 8: last season. It took him some time to really figure
Speaker 8: out his way there at Utah, but he has been
Speaker 8: great for them. But it is very difficult to see
Speaker 8: the Jazz getting three. They're absolute luck forgetting the two
Speaker 8: if they continue playing the way they have lately. But yeah,
Speaker 8: to get that third one in I'm just not prepared
Speaker 8: to take or dismiss c J McCollums chances just yet.
Speaker 8: I know he is out a month, he's been out
Speaker 8: for about a week already. If he was to come
Speaker 8: back a little bit early, then he's still got plenty
Speaker 8: of time to make it, because his actual numbers are
Speaker 8: incredible this season. I mean, he's having a career high
Speaker 8: season at twenty seven points a game on forty percent
Speaker 8: shooting and forty four percent on threes, five assists, four rebounds.
Speaker 5: He's been awesome, and he's kind of like Mike Conley.
Speaker 8: He's kind of been, you know, on the periphery for
Speaker 8: a couple of seasons, but you haven't been able to
Speaker 8: make a strong case.
Speaker 3: This year.
Speaker 8: It's like he has got a very strong case individually
Speaker 8: in terms of his numbers. So I think there's still time.
Speaker 8: He's played thirteen games to this point. You know, if
Speaker 8: he was to come back and a little bit early
Speaker 8: then and pick up exactly where he left off, then
Speaker 8: I think he does give himself a strong case. Of course,
Speaker 8: then you've got do two blazers deserve it if their numbers,
Speaker 8: if their win losses are are low, and again probably
Speaker 8: not you're probably only getting one out of here and
Speaker 8: Damian Lillard. But maybe if Lillard was to get himself
Speaker 8: as a starter, then it certainly makes it a little
Speaker 8: bit easier for CJ there to make it as a reserve.
Speaker 8: So I think he's deserving, and more so over him
Speaker 8: than over a shake Gilder Alexander in terms of just
Speaker 8: the season they've had to this point. But it really
Speaker 8: just depends on how many games and how long CJ
Speaker 8: is out, because if he's out too long, then he's
Speaker 8: just out of the he's out of the conversation. But
Speaker 8: if he can come back early, I think he's still
Speaker 8: got time.
Speaker 1: All Right, let's hear from you guys out there, who
Speaker 1: are your ten All Stars that should be starting in
Speaker 1: the game as of January twenty ninths here. You know
Speaker 1: it's early, but that's what we gotta start doing. You
Speaker 1: gotta start filling out your ballots and the you got
Speaker 1: those double days coming up, the double vote days where
Speaker 1: your vote counts twice, so those are important. Who will
Speaker 1: hit those? Will it be the Tray young fans with
Speaker 1: the Bradley Beal fans really taking advantage of those double
Speaker 1: down points days. We'll find out, but let us know
Speaker 1: in the comments who your ten All Star starters are.
Speaker 7: It's a quarter.
Speaker 4: A quarter of the season is done for some teams.
Speaker 4: It's not super early, right, it feels like usually we're
Speaker 4: talking about it even earlier.
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, we are.
Speaker 1: I think actually I think I checked last night. I
Speaker 1: went through our old notes to figure out when we
Speaker 1: started doing this, and I think it almost was the
Speaker 1: exact time. Well but hold on, that's what we would
Speaker 1: have started the season.
Speaker 4: A lotolgically, undoubtedly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but it is strange. It feels like, well,
Speaker 1: it's also weird because we don't even know if we're
Speaker 1: having an ul Star game. If you're impossible, there still
Speaker 1: is no game, So it's like like sort of I
Speaker 1: guess almost like why wait at that point?
Speaker 6: But we'll just be an All Star happy hour. They'll
Speaker 6: all get on a zoom together, live stream it on YouTube,
Speaker 6: and just have some laughs with their buddies.
Speaker 1: Of all the All Stars we named, which one is
Speaker 1: most likely to suffer from trapped wind.
Speaker 6: Oh, that's a tough question. Who Lebron? Honestly, you know,
Speaker 6: like he's an older guy, so I imagine he has
Speaker 6: the class and the tack to keep him in just
Speaker 6: kingly farts.
Speaker 5: Answer, Lee, my guess soul.
Speaker 1: Oh boy, well we didn't mention it as an at
Speaker 1: the Star, but okay, fair enough, good, good, good good, Okay,
Speaker 1: So let's hear your ted storters as of today. Okay, quickly,
Speaker 1: last night, four games on, I'm gonna fly through the
Speaker 1: games and then Trey, you can give us a takeaway
Speaker 1: from wherever you want to go. Oladipo had twenty five
Speaker 1: points as the Rockets beat the Blazers one O four
Speaker 1: one on one. Sons snapped a three game skid. They
Speaker 1: needed this one. They rolled over the Warriors one fourteen
Speaker 1: ninety three, Clippers rally Trey from eighteen down to top
Speaker 1: to heat. Another rough loss from Miami. Clippers win one
Speaker 1: O nine to one five without Kawhi and PG again
Speaker 1: and then the Lakers without ad Lebron played, but no
Speaker 1: Anthony Davis. They fell to the Pistons one oh seven
Speaker 1: ninety two. Nice win there for Casey and the Detroit Pistons.
Speaker 1: So again there's the four games where you want to go.
Speaker 1: What was your big takeaway from last night?
Speaker 6: All our featured game of course, skeets. I don't know
Speaker 6: about you, guys, but I was paying great attention to Rockets.
Speaker 6: Blazers definitely remember what happened. But the Wow Era, it's
Speaker 6: off to a great start for the Rockets, the first
Speaker 6: time that Victor Oladipo wait, I should probably say it
Speaker 6: in letters order, Wall, Oladipo, and Wood they all started
Speaker 6: together the wow Era, and they all actually played pretty well.
Speaker 6: Twenty five for Victor Oladipo, twenty two and twelve for
Speaker 6: Christian Wood, and twenty points and six assists for John Wall.
Speaker 6: They look good. They've been the best defense in the league,
Speaker 6: as you saw going around on Twitter last night, since
Speaker 6: the James Harden trade. Their play hard. They've got a
Speaker 6: bunch of guys with chips on their shoulders. But that
Speaker 6: kind of got people angry last night. Pacers fans in particular.
Speaker 6: After the game, Victor Oladipo was interviewed. He says, going
Speaker 6: through my career, it just feels like people keep kind
Speaker 6: of quitting on me. But it's a part of life
Speaker 6: and I embrace it. Obviously he's using the way the
Speaker 6: things ended with the Pacers as motivation fair enough, but
Speaker 6: also allegedly he turned down a twenty five million dollar
Speaker 6: extension to stay in Indiana, So who quit on who here?
Speaker 6: I just think it's a very weird way to approach it.
Speaker 6: So basically, go out there and diss your fans, to
Speaker 6: dis the fan base that was there in Indiana that
Speaker 6: has been supporting you since college. I didn't love that.
Speaker 6: I didn't love that from Victor Oladipo. He's a great player,
Speaker 6: he seems to be on his way back. He's playing
Speaker 6: for a big deal come summertime. But very strange, very
Speaker 6: Paul Georgie to me and Victor Oladipo. He's not even
Speaker 6: on Paul George's level, which I mean, I've had my
Speaker 6: concerns with Paul George's level, but I don't know. I
Speaker 6: just did not like this from Victor Oladipo, the way
Speaker 6: he's making it seem like the Pacers were the ones
Speaker 6: who gave up on him, when it really felt like
Speaker 6: the Pacers were doing everything they could to build around
Speaker 6: Victor Oladipa only to see Demonta Sabonis explode as a star.
Speaker 6: I don't know if that angered Victor Oladipo, that the
Speaker 6: team kind of centered itself around Sabonis, but it didn't
Speaker 6: end well in Indiana, and he's running in their faces.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a little weird lely, especially like poor
Speaker 1: Pacers fans, like they've sort of gone through this before.
Speaker 1: As Trey said, with Paul George, it's like they love them,
Speaker 1: they love them, they want them around. He's our star guy.
Speaker 1: He leaves and then he sort of turns around and goes,
Speaker 1: you know, like, did they really want me there? They
Speaker 1: didn't love It's like the Pacers was like, what, yes,
Speaker 1: we did we we really really wanted you here and
Speaker 1: we loved you. So I could see why with Oladipo
Speaker 1: saying this last night at the end of the game
Speaker 1: on the broadcast, that they would be a little upset. Though,
Speaker 1: I wonder if it's just one of those classic sort
Speaker 1: of like athlete cliche throwaway lines of like I've been
Speaker 1: doubted in my whole life, you know, like they just
Speaker 1: you know that type of thing. It's possible, too.
Speaker 3: Right, I mean it is.
Speaker 4: He didn't play for the Magic, he didn't play for
Speaker 4: the Thunder before that. He could be talking about those
Speaker 4: situations too. Rights csarily just talking about the Piecers.
Speaker 1: No, he's saying every step of the way, it sounds like,
Speaker 1: so he's including the piecers. Yeah, Yeah, so Piecers fans
Speaker 1: are saying, don't include us.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and that's the biggest step honestly, right, Like that's
Speaker 6: when Victor Oladipa really established himself.
Speaker 8: Yeah, And the fact that they did reportedly offer him
Speaker 8: that extension shows that, like, hey, we did think you
Speaker 8: were a part of this future.
Speaker 5: So you know, it's weird.
Speaker 8: He had an All Star, he became an All Star
Speaker 8: there and in Indiana, I think unquestionably he was their
Speaker 8: sort of franchise player before he got injured, and they
Speaker 8: wanted to keep him. So it does seem a little
Speaker 8: bit off that he's taking shots at them and the
Speaker 8: team when all they really did from certainly from the
Speaker 8: outside from what we could see, from what I could see,
Speaker 8: they supported him and tried to tried to get the
Speaker 8: best out of him, and injuries sort of slowed him down,
Speaker 8: and then they just thought, all right, he's not a
Speaker 8: part of the team. He doesn't want to be here,
Speaker 8: so we'll trade him again.
Speaker 1: Was that actually all a depot taking a shot?
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think where we're maybe reaching a little
Speaker 1: bit our Piecers fans being a little sensitive about what
Speaker 1: he said. Again after a game last night, after having
Speaker 1: a good game in a victory on a national televised game.
Speaker 1: And yeah, with the as Tree said, like with this
Speaker 1: first like real full squad there in Houston, Houston Rockets,
Speaker 1: We're tim Yeah, it's going to be good, like right
Speaker 1: with this squad, I don't know, I'm not sure.
Speaker 8: But John Wall sort of said the same thing about
Speaker 8: the Wizards. He said, you know, I wanted to be
Speaker 8: somewhere I was wanted, and they gave him that massive
Speaker 8: extension as well, you know, and basically just traded him
Speaker 8: at the end. It was like, all right, sure, we'll
Speaker 8: trade you. He asked to be out and they traded
Speaker 8: him for Westbrook. So yeah, I think sometimes the players
Speaker 8: just get a little bit caught up in their own
Speaker 8: get in their way a little bit, because if a
Speaker 8: franchise is giving you all that money, I mean, that's
Speaker 8: that's really their strongest way of saying, we want you
Speaker 8: to be a part of this team.
Speaker 5: We believe in you, and you know, so.
Speaker 1: I like this.
Speaker 4: I like this bond that they all have. They're all
Speaker 4: sort of feel like we're outsiders that our teams didn't want.
Speaker 4: I think they can bond over that all the you know,
Speaker 4: John Wall did want to be in Washington. They told
Speaker 4: him at the end, Yeah, we're trading you. They told
Speaker 4: him two weeks before. You're sticking around. Oladipo, you know,
Speaker 4: got moved. Whatever you think of that, Christian Wood has
Speaker 4: been released let go multiple times. DeMarcus Cousins can even
Speaker 4: be part of that crew.
Speaker 7: I think that's a.
Speaker 4: Bond that they all have, like it's us against the world. Yeah,
Speaker 4: we're going to show you guys, and uh, you know
Speaker 4: this one time it worked.
Speaker 7: I think.
Speaker 4: Oladipo is the number one guy. I loved Victor Olidipo
Speaker 4: pre injury and he's still a very good player. But
Speaker 4: they have to use Christian Wood a little bit more,
Speaker 4: I think.
Speaker 7: I mean, he is there the.
Speaker 4: Guy who didn't undergo a major surgery amongst all those
Speaker 4: four guys, and he should be utilized a ton.
Speaker 7: They should.
Speaker 4: They should have hammered a Blazers team that you know
Speaker 4: doesn't have CJ. McCollum, and yeah they got hot shooting
Speaker 4: from the outside. Going back and watching a little bit
Speaker 4: of that game, but Christian Wood should be killing Anna Scanter.
Speaker 4: He's their best player. He should be scoring a bajillion points.
Speaker 4: And that's the worry I for Christian Wood. Is that
Speaker 4: now with a backcourt and Oladipo Wall cousins when he
Speaker 4: comes in, Is he gonna get enough playing time because uh,
Speaker 4: not playing time touches. I guess the word is because
Speaker 4: his usage rate should go up, but it's not.
Speaker 1: Is that your big takeaway task from a sort of
Speaker 1: these games?
Speaker 7: Yeah? I think so.
Speaker 4: I think Christian Woods, yeah, he is. He is their star,
Speaker 4: even though they've got a lot of star potential, and
Speaker 4: those guys all want to prove they're great. John Wall,
Speaker 4: I think they could. They could make magic him and
Speaker 4: him and him and Christian Wood can make magic together.
Speaker 4: It could be him in gore tat times. Ten Just
Speaker 4: roll with Christian Wood down the lane, roll with the Wood.
Speaker 1: Do it lay anything from these games last night? Let
Speaker 1: me throw actually something at you. You know, we've been
Speaker 1: saying it all season long, like Pistons are the worst
Speaker 1: team in the league. Pistons are the worst team in
Speaker 1: the league. I'm not sure we can keep saying that.
Speaker 1: And I know it's not just because of the victory too.
Speaker 1: Even in their losses. Casey has these guys playing their
Speaker 1: asses off, and I don't think they're the worst at all. Actually,
Speaker 1: I think there are a couple of teams that are
Speaker 1: much worse than Detroit Pistons. Would you.
Speaker 8: Much worse? I mean, the Wizards are worse than them.
Speaker 8: I would say the Timberwolves. So they've obviously got some
Speaker 8: injuries as well. The Pelicans have more wins than the Pistons.
Speaker 8: I think they're probably better. The Kings also have more wins,
Speaker 8: but I don't have a lot of faith in them. Okay,
Speaker 8: Wolves and Wizards, Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, I mean the
Speaker 8: Pistons are still tough to watch. But I will say
Speaker 8: last night's game, it was a bit of a throwback
Speaker 8: Blake Griffin game. He looked great, and also they were
Speaker 8: Lakers were without Anthony Davis on the second night of
Speaker 8: back to back out of Bruce Thigh. Hadn't dropped two
Speaker 8: games in a row wall season. They lost the night before.
Speaker 8: They're in Philadelphia, and this wasn't as though Lebron just
Speaker 8: decided to take the night off either. He was on
Speaker 8: the court with two and a half minutes to go.
Speaker 8: So the Lakers were trying to win this game. They
Speaker 8: just got they They actually got out played by the
Speaker 8: Pistons last night, So yeah, good good win for Detroit,
Speaker 8: But you know, are they the worst team? I mean, well,
Speaker 8: how come they came up for a game against the
Speaker 8: Lakers and played really well, like where they should be
Speaker 8: better than five and fourteen, shouldn't they really?
Speaker 5: That's that's my question about him.
Speaker 8: It's like, it's great when the Lakers comes down, You're like, yeah,
Speaker 8: gonna play hard, We're gonna give it out all tonight.
Speaker 5: But then they'll they'll just stink.
Speaker 8: And most of the time other than that, So and.
Speaker 4: Blake had a hot night. I think that's what happened Blake.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 8: Remember, like in his first season in Detroit, Blake was
Speaker 8: all NBA again and he looked great, and then last
Speaker 8: season he was injured and uh, and if he plays
Speaker 8: like he did last night, then it's like, yeah, maybe
Speaker 8: the Pistons can be better than their record shows. But yeah,
Speaker 8: they're just a tough watch.
Speaker 5: They're a tough watch. That's the problem.
Speaker 1: They're a tough watch. But we can't say they're the worst.
Speaker 5: They're not the worst.
Speaker 1: But it's a small compliment.
Speaker 5: They're not going to make the playoffs. I wouldn't think.
Speaker 1: No, No, I'm not saying that. I'm just saying we
Speaker 1: kept saying that they're the worst and you don't like
Speaker 1: watching them. I get that they are at times rough,
Speaker 1: but they play hard, so that immediately removes them from
Speaker 1: being the worst. Because there's some other teams that are
Speaker 1: just going through the motions out there as we've been. Anyway,
Speaker 1: we'll call it there. You do we know the Detroit
Speaker 1: Pisons are not going to be in Worst of the Week.
Speaker 1: Can we can confirm that task?
Speaker 4: Let me check the notes. Yeah, you're right, You're all right.
Speaker 1: Let's get to the actual Worst of the Week nominees, then,
Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, the worst of the week.
Speaker 4: Well, I asked the people on the No Dunks Twitter account.
Speaker 4: People come through with flying colors. Great stuff for you guys.
Speaker 4: Here three nominees.
Speaker 7: The first.
Speaker 4: It's the Wizards. Baby James Long writes, time to tear
Speaker 4: it down and rebuild. Bradley Beal deserves better than this.
Speaker 4: Lots more. Glenn Perez also jumping on this. Wizard's hard
Speaker 4: pressed to find a team slash player combo that had
Speaker 4: a worse week than the Wizards in Westbrook. And one
Speaker 4: more for you guys, because this is an incredible stat
Speaker 4: from Franklin Saint stan They are one to twelve. When
Speaker 4: Bradley Beal drops forty points, give us worst of the
Speaker 4: year already. And I check this stat. They're the only
Speaker 4: team in NBA history to lose ten straight games where
Speaker 4: their player scores forty or more. He had forty seven
Speaker 4: this week against the Pells.
Speaker 7: They lost.
Speaker 4: A phenomenal stat that's crazy in NBA history. Can't find
Speaker 4: another one. So you laugh, Lee, Why are you laughing?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 8: Because sometimes if the team's going really bad and we say, ah,
Speaker 8: the team's really bad, some of their fans will say, hey,
Speaker 8: lay off there, guys.
Speaker 5: Man, we play an odd We contributed.
Speaker 7: But we is just like, nah, we suck.
Speaker 8: At least we can win something by winning Worst of
Speaker 8: the Week or even Worse oft the ear Man. Imagine
Speaker 8: that would wrap up Worse of the ear.
Speaker 6: From now wow in January.
Speaker 2: East.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's tough, but I mean they're making a run.
Speaker 6: They are terrible. They're not even barely losing, right, They're
Speaker 6: getting smoked in most of these games. Are they gonna
Speaker 6: eventually bench Westbrook? He just dribbles the ball off his legs.
Speaker 6: He just dribbles it off his legs. I don't know
Speaker 6: if it makes sense to bring him off as a
Speaker 6: second unit, let him play against the second unit. Then
Speaker 6: when it comes to the fourth quarter, just let Beal cook.
Speaker 6: Don't let anybody else touch the ball, because if it
Speaker 6: goes to Westbrook and Beal's on the other side, it's
Speaker 6: like a thirty percent chance it'll even get back to Beal.
Speaker 6: He's been terrible. Westbrook has been brutal, so bad. Yeah,
Speaker 6: unforced the errors left and right. Man, Like he just
Speaker 6: chucks it to nobody or goes off his leg out
Speaker 6: of bounds. You're like, Okay, there's just six possessions in
Speaker 6: the fourth quarter of the game. You could have at
Speaker 6: least made close.
Speaker 7: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4: And he's been injured too, which is a big reason
Speaker 4: why they traded Johan wall. I think they assumed that
Speaker 4: they're getting the healthier player. And then Russell Westbrook has
Speaker 4: a quad contusion, as many guys have had around the league.
Speaker 4: There's a quad contusion thing going around the league. But
Speaker 4: I don't know, maybe it's like last year he came
Speaker 4: back in the playoffs there for the Houston Rockets, had
Speaker 4: another quad injury and he just didn't look right, like
Speaker 4: maybe he will get it going after playing a little bit.
Speaker 4: I'm just trying to be optimistic, but like he had
Speaker 4: a phenomenal January February last year.
Speaker 7: I don't. Yeah, he is not.
Speaker 4: He has not been healthier than John Wall. Really, they're
Speaker 4: sort of in the same vein. The Wall has missed
Speaker 4: some time. But Westbrook, Yeah, man, I thought they had
Speaker 4: a year of good Russell and nope.
Speaker 1: There is no doubt watching the two right now, you
Speaker 1: would much rather have.
Speaker 4: John Wata, especially defensively.
Speaker 6: I mean, that's what I mean.
Speaker 4: Gives it defense man. All right, So that's candidate number one.
Speaker 4: Second nominee Kenny G Poker rights Jamal Murray's groin shot.
Speaker 7: For sure.
Speaker 4: It's fitting. We got a poker commenting Jamal Murray's growing shot.
Speaker 4: If you remember Jamal Murray, he was on the floor,
Speaker 4: he got up, hit Tim Hardaway, excuse me, below the
Speaker 4: belt and yeah he got ejected. But I think the
Speaker 4: part that angered me the most and why I included
Speaker 4: this as a nominee, was because he objected to the referees,
Speaker 4: Like he got so mad that he was ejected. Today's NBA.
Speaker 4: If you get caught doing basically anything, you're going to
Speaker 4: get ejected. But if you had a guy below the belt,
Speaker 4: like it sure seemed like he was planning on going
Speaker 4: after Timmy's and he got him.
Speaker 1: Got him, He got fined twenty five thousand two, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the ejection was warranted for sure y Yeah.
Speaker 8: Yeah, we said, yeah, man, he had no complaint or
Speaker 8: no reason to sort of defend himself there. He walked up,
Speaker 8: he woke, he got off to the canvas and whacked
Speaker 8: him hardaway, right in the nuts, apricut.
Speaker 7: Yeah you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, but you were saying, like whether or not
Speaker 1: he should be suspended. Well, I sorry, like we'll but
Speaker 1: pumped the bricks on that we said. But you know,
Speaker 1: he got the fine and he got ejected from the game.
Speaker 1: He heard his tim Yeah, oh and that's right.
Speaker 8: I don't really think anyone's been suspended for one nut shot.
Speaker 5: I don't think so. I know, Draymond Green, you know
Speaker 5: the big thing.
Speaker 8: Remember he got the thing with Steven Adams the playoffs,
Speaker 8: but that wasn't Yeah, that was an accumulation rather than
Speaker 8: the one shot. But I mean, there was no accident
Speaker 8: there with Jamal Murray. There was no like, oops, sorry,
Speaker 8: I accidentally whacked you in the nuts, right.
Speaker 1: I half heartedly tried to make that case, but halfway
Speaker 1: through I gave up saying no he was he was
Speaker 1: just angry, so he just punched them in it.
Speaker 5: And again Tim.
Speaker 8: Hardaway didn't do anywhere, And there's there's very I can't
Speaker 8: think of anything that would justify a nut shot. But
Speaker 8: Tim Hardaway certainly didn't do anything to justify that.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's interesting, that's interesting. Yeah, Tim Hardaway spits
Speaker 1: in his face, so you're okay with him.
Speaker 5: Okay, Well that's a nut shot. That's a nut shot.
Speaker 8: Yeah you're going to play dirty then, yeah, But ins
Speaker 8: of you in terms of like a hard foul or
Speaker 8: something like that, you can't you just say, all right,
Speaker 8: well I'll get you in the nuts in return a
Speaker 8: hard foul. You can get in return with a hard foul,
Speaker 8: you know, like like Region Rondo and Brad Miller. Remember
Speaker 8: that one carried over from one season to the next,
Speaker 8: you know, out a hard foul.
Speaker 6: People in the stream team are saying, Draymond on Lebron,
Speaker 6: Remember Lebron stepped over Dramond, so Dramond reached up for
Speaker 6: the punch. And that was obviously the same playoffs as
Speaker 6: the Steven Adams kick. Yeah, if you get stepped over,
Speaker 6: is it okay to punch up ones.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean that I will say in defense of
Speaker 8: draining that way, it was it was sort of a reactionary, like,
Speaker 8: you know, you're disrespecting me by stepping over me like that,
Speaker 8: So he flicked his hand up like that.
Speaker 5: So was that the one that actually got him suspended?
Speaker 2: Then?
Speaker 7: I think it was It was the accumulation of yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 7: I got suspended for game five.
Speaker 8: Yeah yeah, So when does the Draymone one that was
Speaker 8: Oh that was in the prior round, wasn't it against
Speaker 8: the thunder with Steve Stephen Adams. Well he should have
Speaker 8: been suspended for that one. I think that was.
Speaker 1: And then prior to that there was the Beasly thing
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. It was all added up that
Speaker 1: he got the suspension. It wasn't just because he uh
Speaker 1: whatever you said, ding Lebron, dingked lebron, Yeah, ding oh
Speaker 1: dig the daily dig.
Speaker 6: It was it was?
Speaker 7: It was yeah, that was that was a nuts Yeah,
Speaker 7: that was a nut tap.
Speaker 4: I know Lee likes to use the word nuts. He
Speaker 4: said it about fourteen times in the last but now
Speaker 4: you know, like sometimes I say, hitting him in the nuts,
Speaker 4: no doubt, no doubt. But you know, we've got about
Speaker 4: forty thousand euphemisms for nuts, everts, beans beans, Tim Hardaway's
Speaker 4: tim bitts, the tim bittss. But that was a nut
Speaker 4: tap that one way back, I go with nut tap.
Speaker 4: But yeah, Jamal Murray got him in the boner and
Speaker 4: the beef. So moving on to our third nominee. Here
Speaker 4: Lebron for shoving Joel Embiid when he went up for
Speaker 4: a dunk, according to Pete Sumacoll but it's polarizing because
Speaker 4: Pete takes that position, while Ryan Grossman replied and said
Speaker 4: Embiid for flopping on Lebron's light push, oh excuse me,
Speaker 4: and flinging his legs forward instead of trying to land
Speaker 4: like a normal human being.
Speaker 7: So the debate.
Speaker 4: And amongst our comments here when Lebron yeah, put his
Speaker 4: hands on Joel Embiid and Biid went down hard on
Speaker 4: his back, that big play. Marcus Sole may have got
Speaker 4: a hand on him there as well. Yeah, so I
Speaker 4: kind of disagree with Ryan Grossman. I don't think he
Speaker 4: was trying to injure himself and throw up his legs
Speaker 4: and land on his back. No chance, Joel Embiid's trying
Speaker 4: to hurt himself or or land in an awkward position.
Speaker 4: But I know you guys have talked about it. Have
Speaker 4: any of you change your opinion on Lebron putting his
Speaker 4: hands and not playing, you know, real defense, not jumping
Speaker 4: and trying to block Joel Embiid's shot.
Speaker 1: No, I mean that photo is great because we talked
Speaker 1: about it, like it looks like Lebron's like, please don't
Speaker 1: dunk on me. I don't want to be on this poster.
Speaker 1: So he's putting up his hands. Now, I don't think
Speaker 1: and I stick by this. I know we don't have
Speaker 1: the video, but I don't think Lebron really straight up
Speaker 1: pushes Joel Embiid. I think he's bracing himself. And you're right.
Speaker 1: I think there's a weird like Lakers sandwich thing going
Speaker 1: on here. Where Lebron's pressing high. There might be some
Speaker 1: contact from gasol a little bit lower, and that one
Speaker 1: guy pushing high on his on his front, one guy
Speaker 1: pushing a little bit lower from the back that might
Speaker 1: sort of topple e bead a little bit in the air. Now, Embiid,
Speaker 1: you know Grossman's right, Embiid, he embellisihous, But I'm with you.
Speaker 1: I don't think he was trying to just straight up
Speaker 1: land on his ass when he's and having back problems,
Speaker 1: So I think they got it. I was totally fine
Speaker 1: with the flagrant call on that because he did hit
Speaker 1: the ground hard and a guy in the air is vulnerable,
Speaker 1: and you know, again there's like sort of this weird
Speaker 1: pushing from both sides. I think by accident a little
Speaker 1: bit and Lebron just not wanted to get dunked on.
Speaker 1: But it wasn't malicious to really go to a flagrant too,
Speaker 1: in my opinion. So I don't know if that's a
Speaker 1: worst of the week for me and I strike it.
Speaker 1: What do you think, Trey, I.
Speaker 6: Don't like pushing guys out of the air when they're jumping.
Speaker 6: I don't think it was a maliciously bad push by Lebron.
Speaker 6: I think a flagrant one was the right call. But
Speaker 6: embiid that guy has crazy falls, man, that's just how
Speaker 6: he falls. He's wild. When he goes down to the ground,
Speaker 6: the legs go flying. He lands, however he's going to
Speaker 6: land sometimes it looks really really bad, and that one
Speaker 6: obviously looks pretty brutal. But I thought a flagrant one
Speaker 6: was the right call. I didn't think Embeid flopp it
Speaker 6: think he just falls hilariously and that's exactly what happened.
Speaker 6: So yeah, the call was right, but I will still
Speaker 6: allow this as a worst of the week because you
Speaker 6: shouldn't be pushing guys when they're jumping lely.
Speaker 8: Yeah, he absolutely shouldn't push him. I don't think he did, though.
Speaker 8: I think it was just he just sort of got
Speaker 8: caught out and he was almost trying to protect himself. Yeah,
Speaker 8: braced himself and just the way that Embiid fell made
Speaker 8: it worse. If you want someone who flopped badly, it
Speaker 8: was in the whoopsies this week. Gary Trent Junior. Diving
Speaker 8: out of bounds like that, that's the worst of the
Speaker 8: week if you ask me, that's like he did. I
Speaker 8: didn't even know if he felt the guy behind him,
Speaker 8: and he dived away from the ball. That to me
Speaker 8: is embellishment, I think, and beats a big, heavy dude
Speaker 8: and just the momentum sort of carried him down. I
Speaker 8: don't think there was any real embellishment. I don't think
Speaker 8: Lebron did anything nasty there. Just sometimes those things happen,
Speaker 8: and I'm just glad though that Embiid was able to
Speaker 8: finish the game, the Sixers were able to win, and
Speaker 8: as far as I can tell, there's been no lingering.
Speaker 5: Issues with that.
Speaker 8: For because if he falls and he's out for the game,
Speaker 8: and if the Lakers win, and if embads out for
Speaker 8: three or four games and Lebron didn't get ejected, then
Speaker 8: you can see the conspiracy theorists pouring out and saying, Oh,
Speaker 8: the NBA loves Lebron, and Lebron gets away with everything.
Speaker 8: So I'm just glad that no injuries came from that incident.
Speaker 4: Okay, you guys are leaning away from that one. So
Speaker 4: it's either Jamal Murray and his cohoney shot. I remember lee,
Speaker 4: that's my favorite word for nuts. It's Cojon's gotta go
Speaker 4: with that. Yeah, and I know you like Spanish words,
Speaker 4: so let's go Jamal Murray. And with Wizards. I think
Speaker 4: I think everybody's leaning towards Wizards. It just seems like
Speaker 4: that's the nice that's the nice middle ground. Everybody's just
Speaker 4: railing on the Washington Yard.
Speaker 1: That's horrible week. Yeah, that's my that's my pick. All right,
Speaker 1: but good nominees there. All right, let's get to tweet
Speaker 1: of the Night.
Speaker 4: Tweet of the Night.
Speaker 7: Wow.
Speaker 1: Now tweet in the Night is inspired by this crazy
Speaker 1: story that I really still haven't figured out. It's the
Speaker 1: game stop story the Stalks, But I love this little part.
Speaker 1: It's a two part tweet the Night. Here ESPN's Pablo
Speaker 1: Torre he tweeted, he whispers, the guy who runs Melvin Capital,
Speaker 1: the game stop shorting hedge fund Reddit is trying to obliterate,
Speaker 1: is a co owner of the Charlotte Hornets. Gasp. Well,
Speaker 1: I love this response from at Cranky Cyborg, who whispers
Speaker 1: back in a darkened room. Craig Elo places a large
Speaker 1: by of gmmet laughs. Maniacally great tweet Crank Cyborg Again,
Speaker 1: Do I understand the whole thing completely? No, but I
Speaker 1: get this. I know what's going on here. Obviously a
Speaker 1: co owner of the Hornets, me, and you're working with
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan there. Well, craig ELO's getting his revenge for
Speaker 1: one of the greatest moments in NBA postseason history. Yeah, JD,
Speaker 1: way to rack it up. Oh, of course we're talking.
Speaker 1: Jordan hanging in the air to knock down the shot
Speaker 1: over a dejected craig Elo in the back to win
Speaker 1: the series. During the eighty nine Playoffs Bowls over Calves.
Speaker 6: Talk about a game stop.
Speaker 1: It's right, well done.
Speaker 8: Oh man, what a swing in three seconds from Craig Eler.
Speaker 8: He basically won the YEP the series for his team,
Speaker 8: and then that's all we remember him for, just slumping
Speaker 8: after Michael knocks in that shot.
Speaker 1: But he's getting his revenge. He's getting his revenge, you
Speaker 1: know now, some thirty years later or whatever it is.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like hanging three seconds, like buying a stock, right,
Speaker 4: like you're just sitting there ready to click, click, click click,
Speaker 4: just went up.
Speaker 1: Oh I got it?
Speaker 5: Oh I didn't.
Speaker 4: It's all like buying a shoe on one of those
Speaker 4: sites where you buy a shoe. Yeah, one of those,
Speaker 4: one of those, one of those.
Speaker 1: I'm already excited for this movie though, this game stop
Speaker 1: movie or series or whatever, looking forward to it.
Speaker 5: Really wait, just watch Trading Places. Trading Places is a
Speaker 5: great movie.
Speaker 1: Turning Places is a great movie. The Big is a
Speaker 1: good movie.
Speaker 7: Yeah it's a good movie. Yeah you're not excited for this,
Speaker 7: Come on, this.
Speaker 1: Will be This will make a good either documentary or
Speaker 1: even movie.
Speaker 7: For sure.
Speaker 4: I'll just go back and watch Vin diesel In boiler Room.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's last picked.
Speaker 6: Basically just a remake of Glengarry Glenn Ross with Vin
Speaker 6: Diesel and Giovanni Rabisi classic right there, though. I heard
Speaker 6: the next stock that's going to be really hot is Arby's. Yeah,
Speaker 6: people are gonna be beefing up that stock to the move.
Speaker 6: Get your beef now, baby.
Speaker 1: Yeah, get your beef now. Okay, just a reminder pick
Speaker 1: them result, We're not going to pick a game tonight.
Speaker 1: We'll start it up on Monday again for February. But
Speaker 1: Tass is the loser, our first loser of the season.
Speaker 1: In pick them, Tassi Russ start for you. Let's be
Speaker 1: honest here, eight and sixteen not your best work, but
Speaker 1: you will be paying it off and that's always fun.
Speaker 1: So if people have a last minute idea, let us know,
Speaker 1: no dunks at the Athletic dot Com, let us know
Speaker 1: in the stream team, what you'd like to see Tassi
Speaker 1: do to pay off his first lost here of the season.
Speaker 1: It could be anything. We could do it live during
Speaker 1: the show. We can make a little clip for social
Speaker 1: and share that up across all of our social channels.
Speaker 4: Whatever you got, let us know, Yeah, come up with
Speaker 4: the idea. And the social plan as well as the
Speaker 4: production plan for us.
Speaker 7: Please thank you.
Speaker 1: All right, let's end this fun drop podcast with a
Speaker 1: little rapid fire fund.
Speaker 7: There we go.
Speaker 4: The Warriors Kelly Ubre has been in several trade rumors recently.
Speaker 4: Dubbs head coach Steve Kerr thought Uber should hear about
Speaker 4: what happened from the organization's perspective, so he and the
Speaker 4: struggling forward had a little one on one talk. When's
Speaker 4: the time you initiated a difficult conversation, like Steve Kerr did?
Speaker 4: Jd Well it?
Speaker 3: Actually it was with our own Trey Kirby, believe it
Speaker 3: or not, back in our third year. We're going into
Speaker 3: our third year of the Starters and Matt and I
Speaker 3: had discussed it at length and we had sort of
Speaker 3: decided arbitrarily we were taking Trey off the big desk
Speaker 3: and giving him is his own spot, and we were like,
Speaker 3: this is going to be awesome, this is going to
Speaker 3: be great for Trey. We're really excited for it. But
Speaker 3: we were terrified that he wasn't going to be into
Speaker 3: it at all. So it was like it was I
Speaker 3: was nervous about it.
Speaker 4: I was.
Speaker 3: We didn't know how he was going to react and
Speaker 3: and uh, listeners and viewers are going to sort of
Speaker 3: be surprised. But out of all the five of us,
Speaker 3: Trey Kirby, he's the most angry I've ever seen any
Speaker 3: of us, you know, like he he can't get angry,
Speaker 3: So we were concerned. I was nervous, but you know,
Speaker 3: he he's a true professionally took it like a champ
Speaker 3: and he and killed it in that position. So it
Speaker 3: all worked out, but you were worried. It was a
Speaker 3: difficult conversation to initiate.
Speaker 6: I'll tell you that right now, still waiting for that
Speaker 6: stool to sit on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was the first thing he said. I had
Speaker 3: to stand for thirty minutes.
Speaker 1: Oh, I swear that's what all the viewers were most
Speaker 1: concerned about.
Speaker 6: Too.
Speaker 1: Poor Tray gona stand for the entire show.
Speaker 3: I was very concerned about that, believe me.
Speaker 6: Jad's right though. I keep it pretty chill, but when
Speaker 6: the flip switches.
Speaker 3: It's actually a joy to see. I love I love
Speaker 3: it when it happens. Just now, when it's directed at me.
Speaker 6: I had a nice blow up, Summred. I guess it
Speaker 6: probably would have been about this time last year when
Speaker 6: we were talking about live shows. Yes, some people on
Speaker 6: the phone.
Speaker 7: We went on about it.
Speaker 6: Sometimes that's the thing. You got to keep it under
Speaker 6: the surface so when the explosions come, people really listen.
Speaker 1: It is a fun treat. When you get very angry,
Speaker 1: I always go back to the to the Shakeshack incident
Speaker 1: to four years.
Speaker 6: I was more angry about having to walk to a
Speaker 6: shake Shack because Matt Austin wouldn't let me eat a
Speaker 6: bacon burger than I was about having to sit over
Speaker 6: at a different table for four years. Come here for years?
Speaker 7: Yeah, that.
Speaker 2: Story.
Speaker 4: Okay, Tray, what's your answer for this one? Is it
Speaker 4: that conversation you have with j.
Speaker 6: I'm still waiting. No, I can't find the right time
Speaker 6: to ask him about that stool.
Speaker 1: I just.
Speaker 6: You do got to initiate a lot of difficult conversations
Speaker 6: when you're a dad. For me, a lot lately has
Speaker 6: been about Mario Kart. We got to switch for Christmas.
Speaker 6: I do think my mom may have helped bring game
Speaker 6: Stop stock back. You know, she bought me a Nintendo
Speaker 6: Switch from game Stop. I couldn't believe it when she
Speaker 6: sent me the order. I was like, Wow, game Stop,
Speaker 6: Little did I know A month later, we're all millionaires
Speaker 6: off of it. But I've been having to tell the
Speaker 6: girls they love trash talking me and I love it.
Speaker 6: I love getting trash talk on, like it's important that
Speaker 6: you learn this now at a young age. But they're
Speaker 6: not very good at trash talk yet. They'll be like
Speaker 6: they get you know, the blueshell that comes from last
Speaker 6: place to hit somebody in first place, or you get
Speaker 6: the bullet bill. You get these incredible objects when you're
Speaker 6: in the back of the pack and the girls are
Speaker 6: all like, eh, sorry, dad, I'm like, I paused the game.
Speaker 6: I'm like, you know what, you're getting all the good
Speaker 6: items because you're in last place. You to pick up
Speaker 6: your game. Here we're trying to beat the red team.
Speaker 6: I'm carrying this. I'm putting up fifteen in first place.
Speaker 6: You're down in eleventh and twelfth. I need to see
Speaker 6: it tenth and ninth. And they picked it up and
Speaker 6: they were there and now they are classic trash talkers.
Speaker 6: You'll love to see it.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 1: So you play as a team, is that what you
Speaker 1: can do?
Speaker 6: You can you can't? You like to play on the
Speaker 6: same team because then you also you also can't hit
Speaker 6: each other. You know, like what somebody you can't I
Speaker 6: can't hit Eyler eight up whatever it is. But but yeah, man,
Speaker 6: I feel like the wizards out there sometimes I'm putting
Speaker 6: up these masks. I'm putting up a fifteen every time.
Speaker 6: First place again for Daddy didn't have to use an object.
Speaker 7: Pick it up. Stop dribbling it off your foot skates.
Speaker 7: What's your answer for this one?
Speaker 1: A time I initiated a difficult conversation. I'm ninety nine
Speaker 1: percent sure I've shared this story before on the podcast
Speaker 1: because we've been talking for fifteen sixteen years now. But
Speaker 1: it's an old story, so I'll just tell it again
Speaker 1: because I know we have new listeners. It's the well
Speaker 1: I call it the infamous thirty shirt story. I don't
Speaker 1: know if that rings a bell for you, especially Tass. Yeah, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: So just quickly, it was a long time ago. I'm
Speaker 1: living with my buddy Brody and Tody, Yes that's true,
Speaker 1: of course, and Tim, our other friend, Tim was getting married.
Speaker 1: It was gonna be a very small wedding at the
Speaker 1: court at the courthouse and then just sort of back
Speaker 1: to Tim's place, and you know, Ken was coming over,
Speaker 1: Brody was going I'm going with Nora and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: We had like a small, little like pre party at
Speaker 1: our place. Now again I'm living with Brody and Tody.
Speaker 1: We're all getting ready for this small wedding, and you know,
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of talk with the guys, like are
Speaker 1: we all wearing the same colored shirt? Sort of to
Speaker 1: like almost make it look like we're groomsmen.
Speaker 3: Again.
Speaker 1: It's a really small affair, but like we're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll wear a blue shirt. Who is not invited to
Speaker 1: the wedding. He because he's there and we're all there
Speaker 1: and we're all friends. But you know, Tody's sort of
Speaker 1: like at the time, was like a you know, one
Speaker 1: extension right, one layer sort of removed at least from Tim's.
Speaker 1: But he starts going, oh, god, well, I guess I
Speaker 1: gotta iron my blue shirt. I hate ironing. And so
Speaker 1: the whole time Tody, in front of everybody, is ironing
Speaker 1: his blue shirt and he's hating it because who likes
Speaker 1: to iron? I mean I hate it too. He's he's
Speaker 1: just all angry because we decided on a blue shirt
Speaker 1: and he's got to iron it. But like everybody's looking
Speaker 1: around at each other going does he know like, is
Speaker 1: he invited? Like, are we sure he's coming? Of course?
Speaker 1: Ken and and Brody. No one wants to like bring
Speaker 1: it up. No one wants to say it. And I
Speaker 1: just can't. Like I'm sitting there going I don't think
Speaker 1: Tim's invited him. I don't think he's allowed to have
Speaker 1: that many people at the courthouse. Like, I don't want
Speaker 1: Tody to show up to this and not be allowed in.
Speaker 1: So I said, all right there. Everybody else is like,
Speaker 1: while Tody's like cursing from the other room, iron thinking
Speaker 1: his shirt, everybody else is like, oh, we should we do?
Speaker 1: What should we do? I'm like, all right, screw it.
Speaker 1: And so I didn't want to do it in front
Speaker 1: of everyone. So I called Tody into my room. It's like, hey, man,
Speaker 1: like I like, I actually asked him. I was like,
Speaker 1: did Tim invite you to the wedding? I like we
Speaker 1: we just weren't sure. And he's like no, I like,
Speaker 1: I just don't know if there's like enough room. And
Speaker 1: he was like all right, and just like so sad,
Speaker 1: so sad because he wasn't now coming to the wedding,
Speaker 1: but sort of happy he didn't have to keep ironing
Speaker 1: his shirt just like literally just walked over back to
Speaker 1: his computer and sat down, and everybody knew I'd had
Speaker 1: the conversation with him. But man, it was like I
Speaker 1: did not want to do it.
Speaker 6: I should, you know what?
Speaker 1: I I wish I didn't because what would Nothing would
Speaker 1: have happened, he would have came to the wedding, Nothing
Speaker 1: would have happened. I just don't know why I got
Speaker 1: I got in my head. I was concerned that like
Speaker 1: the numbers thing in the courthouse or something, But it
Speaker 1: was the province so funny watching him angrily iron his
Speaker 1: shirt thinking he.
Speaker 5: Was going for I don't know why.
Speaker 6: It kills me, but yeah, that's worse angrily ironing a
Speaker 6: shirt or being despondent that you're no longer ironing a shirt.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it was just sad, sad.
Speaker 4: I like how people have photoshopped him into the courthouse,
Speaker 4: into the photos. There's a little Todi's face right there.
Speaker 1: Photoshop.
Speaker 7: Yeah he is.
Speaker 4: I like that story because I actually went to Tody's
Speaker 4: bachelor party because I was sort of an extension of
Speaker 4: an extension. I wasn't invited to his bachelor party, and
Speaker 4: this was in British Columbia, Canada's on the West Coast,
Speaker 4: but I went to a cousin's wedding in Seattle, so
Speaker 4: I was just kind of around there. So then I
Speaker 4: just latched on and I had a great time at
Speaker 4: this bachelor party. Oh man, yeah, I was wearing my
Speaker 4: ruse shoes lely. It was such a blast.
Speaker 1: I really should have pulled you aside task and said, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: why are you on this boat?
Speaker 7: But I let it go.
Speaker 6: I learned my.
Speaker 4: Lesson fantastic all right next here, seventy two year old
Speaker 4: Spurst head coach Greg Popovich has received his first dose
Speaker 4: of the COVID nineteen vaccine. In a short PSA release
Speaker 4: by the NBA, pop said, science wise, it's a no brainer.
Speaker 4: What's something you've done that you felt was undoubtedly the
Speaker 4: right thing to do, but others questioned it.
Speaker 7: JD.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So I've always been very frank and candid with
Speaker 3: my kids. I never watch my language around them. I
Speaker 3: never have. I always let them tell me what's appropriate
Speaker 3: for them to watch, and rather than me tell them
Speaker 3: so whatever they can handle, I will let them watch
Speaker 3: and I stand by that. But people don't like it.
Speaker 3: They don't like it at all. Yes, my kids have
Speaker 3: potty mouths when they're inside the house. They don't when
Speaker 3: they know enough not to use that language outside of
Speaker 3: the house. But you know, I'm right and I don't care,
Speaker 3: and people are people are annoyed by it, and that's fine,
Speaker 3: you know, let them be annoyed. But that's my parenting
Speaker 3: style and I'm sticking to it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, were you dropping potty mouths potty words like when
Speaker 4: they were you know, three four when they repeat.
Speaker 3: It everything, or oh yeah, day one, day one.
Speaker 4: So they're dropping f bombs? I mean when they were
Speaker 4: what in junior kindergarten daycare because they didn't know to
Speaker 4: reel it in. Then well, it's very possible. It's very possible.
Speaker 3: But I never got any reports of any foul language
Speaker 3: at daycare or places like that. But you know, I've
Speaker 3: there's there's all sorts of behavior that people that kids
Speaker 3: take to daycare with them, you know, Like I had
Speaker 3: a daycare teacher tell me once about a girl who
Speaker 3: would always fix cocktails like at the daycare, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean, Like she would pretend to make martinis
Speaker 3: and a shaker and stuff like that, you know. And
Speaker 3: then there was another kid who whenever he got into
Speaker 3: you know, like toy car. He was just bom around
Speaker 3: and just fist and get out of the way, and
Speaker 3: you know, fisting, fisting galore.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so you know.
Speaker 3: That stuff is that stuff is totally normal, and uh,
Speaker 3: you know, it's fine. It's it's there. Once kids get
Speaker 3: to a certain age, they know what they're supposed to
Speaker 3: say when they're supposed to say it, and you just
Speaker 3: have to trust them to to to do that. And
Speaker 3: by the way, I think they're going to use that
Speaker 3: language anyway, because I hear my kids on zoom calls
Speaker 3: all the time, and the other kids are just as bad,
Speaker 3: and I know that their parents are not are not
Speaker 3: into them using that kind of language. I mean, the
Speaker 3: probably learned it from my kids, But again I don't care.
Speaker 6: Great Paul from Irwin Erosio in the stream team, who says,
Speaker 6: I mean they said oh ship in the TBJ Christmas album, Well, yes,
Speaker 6: a classic moment, very very being JD's kids, that's exactly right. Yeah,
Speaker 6: all right, Trey, what's your answer for this one. I'm
Speaker 6: becoming a late stay upper again, and I don't know.
Speaker 6: Others question it because you should be getting full night's sleep.
Speaker 6: But I like to think of myself as Michael Jordan.
Speaker 6: You know, he didn't sleep that much. So for me,
Speaker 6: get that yoga and get that shower, and then I'm
Speaker 6: ready to go. I would rather watch the games.
Speaker 5: At night.
Speaker 6: And then try and remember exactly what happened in the morning,
Speaker 6: because then I can throw on a ten minute recap
Speaker 6: and be like, oh, yes, I do enjoy basketball, and
Speaker 6: what happened last night? I remember this happening. But uh,
Speaker 6: I don't know even I question it staying up super
Speaker 6: duper late. But how else are you going to see
Speaker 6: that big beef?
Speaker 1: How many hours of sleep are you getting?
Speaker 6: Five or six?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you know.
Speaker 6: I think different buddies required different different things. The problem
Speaker 6: is when I'll get like a four hour night sleep,
Speaker 6: that's not that's too little. Five, five as doable, four
Speaker 6: as bad news bears.
Speaker 5: You know, try it is a good master class on sleep.
Speaker 5: Matthew Walker puts it.
Speaker 6: There and you fall asleep.
Speaker 5: No, no, it's pretty pretty amazing. But I'm surprised.
Speaker 8: I'm not surprised the world is like just teetering on
Speaker 8: the brink of complete disaster, because when you listen to
Speaker 8: this guy and see just how important sleep is and
Speaker 8: how it affects every single part of life. It's like,
Speaker 8: oh my god, no wonder everyone's so crazy these days.
Speaker 6: Are you saying my temper is because I'm not getting
Speaker 6: any sleep?
Speaker 8: I'm just saying it's pretty fascinating. It's pretty pretty fascinating.
Speaker 8: Even LEBRONI even gets a shout out. It Actually Lebron's
Speaker 8: apparently a great sleep recording to him, I.
Speaker 5: Don't Ron's still sleep.
Speaker 1: He blew my mind.
Speaker 5: Oh man, anyway, check it out.
Speaker 7: All right, it's skeets. So what's your answer?
Speaker 1: Yeah, just quickly, something you've done that you felt was
Speaker 1: undoubtedly the right thing to do. But others question. I
Speaker 1: would see every single iteration of this show. Every time
Speaker 1: we've made a big change, you get the haters, you
Speaker 1: get the doubtors saying, why would you ever do that?
Speaker 1: Why would you take an audio podcast and turn it
Speaker 1: into a video podcast. That's stupid. No one's going to
Speaker 1: watch that, that's dumb. Oh, actually they're wrong, and I
Speaker 1: thank oh. We never listened to those people because it
Speaker 1: ended up turning into a real job for us and
Speaker 1: not just a podcast where we did we did, you know,
Speaker 1: put our heart and soul into it and get get
Speaker 1: paid a single thing you know, I get it. People
Speaker 1: don't like change. But every time we switch something up,
Speaker 1: try something new, you just get people I don't know
Speaker 1: about that. I don't like that change that don't do that.
Speaker 1: It's like, uh no, that's not how it works, man.
Speaker 1: You got to keep changing. You got to keep trying things,
Speaker 1: especially to create this into it or turn this into
Speaker 1: a job. So just every time we did that, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about, especially tasing JD way back
Speaker 1: in the day. It's less. So now maybe we've gained
Speaker 1: the trust to people, but back then it was a
Speaker 1: lot of like that. That will never work. That's a
Speaker 1: dumb idea, and we prove them wrong.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I despise change. My one year old is eating it
Speaker 4: all over the floor. I can't wait till till we're
Speaker 4: a cashless society and coins are gone forever. Speaking of change,
Speaker 4: Kevin Porter Junior was traded from the Caves to the
Speaker 4: Rockets this past week after he went on a tie
Speaker 4: raid in Cleveland's locker room. Porter Junior was angry about
Speaker 4: his playing time this season, which has been nil, and
Speaker 4: the Cavs thought the relationship with Porter was irreconcilable. So
Speaker 4: when's the time you needed a fresh start, like kp
Speaker 4: JA does JD.
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously the answer is right now, like today, immediately,
Speaker 3: like it's urgent, the alarm bells are ringing, but you know,
Speaker 3: spinning up what Skeez was just talking about. In this business,
Speaker 3: sometimes fresh starts are kind of overrated a little, you know.
Speaker 3: I mean, yes, we need to do it, yes we
Speaker 3: need to be stay uncomfortable, But how many times have
Speaker 3: we reinvented this show in the last year and a
Speaker 3: half alone. I mean, it's got to be six or
Speaker 3: seven at least, you know, going from in the studio
Speaker 3: to home to video to blah blah blah. And it's
Speaker 3: gonna happen again in about nine months. And every time
Speaker 3: we do it, it's an enormous amount of work, right
Speaker 3: for all of us. So I'm looking forward to us,
Speaker 3: hopefully in the next six to nine months, us getting
Speaker 3: back together in the same room to do the show.
Speaker 3: But I'm already freaked out about how much work it's
Speaker 3: gonna be because it's gonna be a massive undertaking. But yeah,
Speaker 3: fresh starts overrated, but you gotta do it. Not an answer,
Speaker 3: I guess, but.
Speaker 7: Definitely, hey man, that was a thoughtful answer is what
Speaker 7: it was.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Tess Tray next one for me.
Speaker 6: A fresh start at anytime that I have to get
Speaker 6: a new phone. My phone breaks every one point five years.
Speaker 6: I get furious that day that it's broken, that I
Speaker 6: can't take my Instagram pictures, and I got a new
Speaker 6: one a couple of days later. I love to start fresh.
Speaker 6: I don't want all the same apps there. I'm gonna
Speaker 6: eventually download so apps, but I don't want to just
Speaker 6: clone it. I want to feel what I'm actually using,
Speaker 6: you know, I want to feel. I want to be
Speaker 6: in deep with my phone to know where things are
Speaker 6: going to live.
Speaker 1: How are you?
Speaker 6: How are you going to do it?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 6: Once I get the tip that, oh you know how
Speaker 6: geniuses organize their apps in folders. That really opened my eyes.
Speaker 6: And next thing I know, I only got two pages
Speaker 6: worth of apps. You're able to trim them down, keep
Speaker 6: things a little bit more organized. I always like to
Speaker 6: start fresh. I don't want to come in with an
Speaker 6: old phone, out with the old, in with the new.
Speaker 3: I can't stand folders on the phone. You guys, I
Speaker 3: did the same thing, put all my apps into folders,
Speaker 3: And now there's there's apps that I've still to this day,
Speaker 3: I have no idea where they are. I can't find them,
Speaker 3: like it, I just I just search, you know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's how I launched most of my apps is
Speaker 6: via search as well. Pulled down and look for something.
Speaker 6: But it's also freaky how good they're getting at the recommendations.
Speaker 6: Like anytime I swipe down to open up the search feature,
Speaker 6: the first thing that pops up at if it's five
Speaker 6: o'clock New York Times cooking, They're like, oh, it's dinner time,
Speaker 6: is it. We're trying to figure out what to make.
Speaker 6: I'm like, whoa, you're right, perhap it's braised beans. We
Speaker 6: shall see. They learn, they learned. I mean, your phone
Speaker 6: knows you. So maybe that's a good reason to start
Speaker 6: fresh too. Throw a curveball. They're like, whoa this guy
Speaker 6: is using He's outs totally differently.
Speaker 7: Skeets your answer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's similar, I guess to where JD was going.
Speaker 1: I was going to say, after every season, for sure
Speaker 1: is when you need the fresh start. And this has
Speaker 1: been a weird one because we didn't really have an
Speaker 1: off season. You know, there was a few weeks there,
Speaker 1: but we weren't going anywhere. I love the idea of
Speaker 1: doing a big, long, crazy NBA season, putting our heart
Speaker 1: and soul into it, creating a ton of ton of content,
Speaker 1: watching a ton of games, having a blast, and then man,
Speaker 1: just being exhausted at the end of it and getting
Speaker 1: the hell out of Dodge for a little bit and
Speaker 1: trying to go do something and travel with Wilt. Now,
Speaker 1: we can't do that right now, So I need that
Speaker 1: eventually and we'll get there. But I would say right now,
Speaker 1: with the amount of work we're doing over the last
Speaker 1: couple of weeks, every Friday is a nice like, Okay,
Speaker 1: at least we don't have something lined up on the weekend.
Speaker 1: And I even sometimes will take the Friday night off
Speaker 1: from watching basketball, even it depends if the Raps are
Speaker 1: playing and who they're playing and stuff like that. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll just like I'll catch up on Saturday morning with
Speaker 1: what I need to know and I'll actually take the
Speaker 1: night off from watching you know, four or five hours
Speaker 1: of basketball. So every Friday right now, with the amount
Speaker 1: of content we're pumping out during the week, it's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: end of the week is here. I could use a
Speaker 1: day off from worrying about getting something up on social
Speaker 1: doing this, doing that, doing this. So it's nice, that's great.
Speaker 1: But then the best part, the beautiful part about it all,
Speaker 1: it's like, come Sunday, I'm like, man, I wish we
Speaker 1: had a show today. You know. It's like I can't
Speaker 1: wait for Monday. So that, you know, is a good
Speaker 1: job when you're like, I want to get right back
Speaker 1: into it now. Now I'm refreshed and I want to
Speaker 1: talk hoops with the buds again. So that's good.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I'd like to travel, really is what I'm.
Speaker 1: Going to get back to be fun travel again.
Speaker 6: Crazy stuff. What are you watching tonight? It's fresh Start Friday?
Speaker 6: What are you gonna watch tonight? You know what?
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't damn gonna watch anything. I might
Speaker 1: read them all.
Speaker 6: I'm nice.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, there's a lot of television being watched
Speaker 1: obviously through the week, so it's unplumbing for a little bit.
Speaker 1: And let's call it there. That was a fun drop podcast.
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Speaker 6: Yes cool, you look good.
Speaker 1: You look like a million dollars.
Speaker 6: And there we cook, there we go.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. We will talk to you guys
Speaker 1: on Monday. Clipper bros.
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Speaker 3: Love you guys, awesome.
Speaker 4: Thanks for joining us. And remember cohonis is the Spanish
Speaker 4: word for drawers. I did not think that was the case.
Speaker 4: I mean, somebody correct, that's Spanish speaking people out there.
Speaker 4: Where is cohonas the word for drawers?
Speaker 7: Is that right?
Speaker 6: Lee?
Speaker 5: Yes, it's correct.
Speaker 7: Yeah, crazy, that's just crazy cool.
Speaker 1: Praise the weekend. You could say.
Speaker 8: Every day.
Speaker 2: And agy happy every minute.
Speaker 3: It's been so long that your.
Speaker 5: Mona way, It's happened already.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be Grevy