WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: Who Makes The Cut? 0:00:04.000 --> 0:00:06.560 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:06.600 --> 0:00:18.360 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This He's Talking Cowboys 0:00:18.400 --> 0:00:21.799 Straining live from the Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the 0:00:21.880 --> 0:00:34.360 Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brons, Rob Phillips, 0:00:34.680 --> 0:00:40.000 and Bill Jones and welcome into Talking Cowboys Live from 0:00:40.040 --> 0:00:43.640 the Star in Frisco. Rob Phillips in for Bill Jones 0:00:43.880 --> 0:00:48.720 in the hosting chair, Mickey Spagnola, Brian brought us Caden Gates, 0:00:48.720 --> 0:00:52.239 producer next door, and uh, preseason in the books. I 0:00:52.280 --> 0:00:56.280 feel like we just were with each other about six 0:00:56.360 --> 0:01:00.520 hours ago. Yeah. Absolutely, we're navigating the parking lot putting 0:01:00.520 --> 0:01:05.520 a bow on this preseason seventeen fifteen Cowboys lose to 0:01:05.560 --> 0:01:07.400 the Tampa Bay Bucks. I think that puts them at 0:01:07.400 --> 0:01:09.640 two and two. Only they could have made that two 0:01:09.680 --> 0:01:11.560 point conversion and we might have still been at the 0:01:11.600 --> 0:01:15.479 stadium almost had it put him in position. How about 0:01:15.520 --> 0:01:18.320 that from Jalen Guyton. Yeah, needed more of that from 0:01:18.400 --> 0:01:22.520 Jalen guyten. Yeah, you know that was Jalen Guyden OTA's 0:01:22.640 --> 0:01:25.880 mini camp and it just from that, I mean, everything 0:01:25.920 --> 0:01:29.080 you want from Jalen Guyden in one play, the ability 0:01:29.160 --> 0:01:31.600 to you know, snatch the ball, make a guy miss, 0:01:32.080 --> 0:01:34.520 make another guy missed, get to the end of the run, 0:01:34.760 --> 0:01:36.480 stiff arm a guy to get in the end zone. 0:01:36.520 --> 0:01:38.720 That's the Jaalen Guyden that we kind of thought was 0:01:38.760 --> 0:01:42.080 going to be a guy that's to put himself in position. 0:01:42.120 --> 0:01:45.000 But it I just don't think it is what it 0:01:45.120 --> 0:01:47.760 is for him. But we'll see what happens with these waivers. 0:01:47.760 --> 0:01:50.440 To got to have consistency over the entire camp, right, 0:01:50.680 --> 0:01:52.640 especially if you're a rookie, and we'll get into that, 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:56.440 especially what happened in the game. Anything of note. I 0:01:56.480 --> 0:01:58.040 know that you didn't take a whole lot from it 0:01:58.040 --> 0:01:59.880 based on your one oh five three The fans TEG 0:02:00.640 --> 0:02:03.360 want to show my notes from the game, right, they're 0:02:03.360 --> 0:02:07.200 not to take the night off. It's only uh two 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:10.680 and a half pages. Yeah, I did you just watch 0:02:10.760 --> 0:02:13.639 every game, every play down? Yeah? Yeah, I just kind 0:02:13.639 --> 0:02:15.640 of watched and now we're waiting for somebody to do 0:02:15.720 --> 0:02:19.000 something for me. And guys made plays. I mean, yeah, 0:02:19.080 --> 0:02:21.240 I know, but they were making plays against guys that 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:23.120 aren't going to be in the league. Okay, did you 0:02:23.160 --> 0:02:27.080 feel like guys okay for you, were there any guys 0:02:27.120 --> 0:02:29.400 that you were expecting to make plays that you kind 0:02:29.440 --> 0:02:31.720 of had because we were trying to play it out 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:34.120 as like the game of the scouts. Will you evaluate? 0:02:34.200 --> 0:02:36.760 But a Jordan chun help you with anything? I know, 0:02:36.880 --> 0:02:39.519 he gets a rib injury, then they get they get 0:02:39.720 --> 0:02:42.440 Donovan Wilson gets hurt, and then you know, all of 0:02:42.480 --> 0:02:44.720 a sudden, now you're sitting there, you're thinking like, okay, 0:02:44.800 --> 0:02:47.840 just let this game be over with Yeah. Absolutely, and 0:02:47.880 --> 0:02:50.079 I think you know, take Goodwin playing free safety and 0:02:50.160 --> 0:02:53.000 like he's lined up in Richardson. You know, got Ryan 0:02:53.040 --> 0:02:55.120 You're a check playing tight end because they don't have 0:02:55.160 --> 0:02:59.079 any tight ends. Sure what you realize if you take 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:05.400 away punter, kicker, slash, sure the deep snapper and Chris 0:03:05.480 --> 0:03:09.760 Jones only held right, they only played thirty three guys. Yeah, 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:12.639 take those three away. It was thirty six, So thirty 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:16.000 three guys played an entire game. Some of them looked 0:03:16.000 --> 0:03:17.560 like it two at the end. Right, there were some 0:03:17.680 --> 0:03:21.200 ragged Those offensive linemen were dead. Yeah they did. They 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:23.880 they they kind of they kind of hurtled that way 0:03:23.919 --> 0:03:26.080 they play. Yeah, they played that way too, they sure did. 0:03:26.160 --> 0:03:29.280 I wanted that moment for Red Fern. What good chance 0:03:29.320 --> 0:03:33.320 for the winning kick didn't happen. Go ahead. Oh, that's right, 0:03:33.360 --> 0:03:35.640 because last they could have. Yeah, they could have if 0:03:35.640 --> 0:03:38.080 they got because they were close, right, it was they 0:03:38.120 --> 0:03:40.480 had to drive, they were within sixty yards. I think 0:03:40.520 --> 0:03:43.080 they kept getting penal and then they had false three 0:03:43.120 --> 0:03:45.920 false starts. Yeah, it was the Torn Tucker moment all 0:03:45.920 --> 0:03:48.480 over again. Right, Hey, going, But some of those guys, 0:03:48.680 --> 0:03:52.280 I think what they accomplished though, is played themselves onto 0:03:52.280 --> 0:03:54.720 the practice squad. Yeah. I think that's really kind of 0:03:54.720 --> 0:03:56.720 what you're at looking at right now when you're talking 0:03:56.720 --> 0:03:59.640 about the guidance and the John by john Now, we 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:02.119 don't know serious, I know, Mickey, if you talk, I think, 0:04:02.200 --> 0:04:04.360 I don't know. But it looked like a serious shoulder. 0:04:04.440 --> 0:04:06.160 A lot of guys got hurt in this game. We'll see. 0:04:06.160 --> 0:04:08.160 That's what I'm saying though, because John B. Johnson would 0:04:08.160 --> 0:04:09.600 have been a guy you would have probably tried to 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:12.200 get through to the waivers, and now you're probably gonna 0:04:12.200 --> 0:04:15.160 have to waive him injured, which meanings he would revert 0:04:15.240 --> 0:04:18.960 to your your ir which means he's completely done for 0:04:18.960 --> 0:04:21.560 the season if that's the case, but you would keep 0:04:21.600 --> 0:04:23.640 his rights. But you keep his rights for another year 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:25.760 and that it's very similar to what we saw with 0:04:25.800 --> 0:04:28.920 Cedric Wilson last year. Good point safer there than on 0:04:29.160 --> 0:04:33.960 the practice squad because get poached, but you're on IR, 0:04:34.600 --> 0:04:37.640 You're on IR. That's it. So yeah, I think you 0:04:37.680 --> 0:04:41.520 know somebody like that and maybe guiting, um, you know, 0:04:42.040 --> 0:04:44.600 Daniel Wise, you know, he may have his hand up 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:47.560 for the roster. I don't know, but if it's too crowded, boy, 0:04:47.600 --> 0:04:52.119 that's a good point because to me, Daniel Wise, he's 0:04:52.279 --> 0:04:56.599 flashed times of being really good. And again, now Mickey 0:04:56.720 --> 0:04:58.480 will tell you that, hey, he was going against guys 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:01.279 that probably aren't gonna make. But but I think there's 0:05:01.480 --> 0:05:05.040 there's I think with a lot of these guys, inconsistency 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:07.599 is going to get a lot of them right. Where 0:05:07.720 --> 0:05:11.320 guys like with the Cedric Wilsons and the Devin Smiths 0:05:11.320 --> 0:05:15.760 and those guys, they were consistent throughout, Uh, Donovan Wilson 0:05:15.920 --> 0:05:19.960 consistent throughout Uh, you know, just try and try and 0:05:19.960 --> 0:05:21.800 think of the guys that have a chance to make 0:05:21.839 --> 0:05:25.080 this roster. You know, they were the consistent guys, the 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:27.279 guys that were up and down to the ones. Mickey 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:30.080 is talking about his practice squad guy like and rightfully so, 0:05:31.320 --> 0:05:33.920 who is flashed at times, but in the games, and 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:37.280 he had a nice first half last night, but there 0:05:37.279 --> 0:05:39.920 have been other guys at receiver that have been more consistent. 0:05:40.000 --> 0:05:42.479 I just just the reality, I mean, there's the the 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:46.200 reality of it is that that that I always believe 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:49.320 this that these players cut themselves, you know when they 0:05:49.680 --> 0:05:52.640 if you don't perform well enough. But then you got 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:55.240 a guy like you got a guy like Hill, you know, 0:05:55.279 --> 0:05:58.120 and studying the tape late last night after the you know, 0:05:58.160 --> 0:06:02.200 the game, Tristin Hill. Yeah, you know, he's really he 0:06:02.320 --> 0:06:05.560 tries hard, and he and he does some positive things, 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:08.600 but there's also some things that has some concern. And 0:06:08.760 --> 0:06:11.080 if you're if you're one of these, if you're going 0:06:11.120 --> 0:06:14.600 into this season and you're thinking about maliek Collins playing 0:06:14.640 --> 0:06:17.440 the under tackle and all of a sudden there's a 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:20.520 little bit of inconsistency with Tristan Hill. Oh does that 0:06:20.560 --> 0:06:23.039 mean We'll wait a minute. The the backup plan is 0:06:23.040 --> 0:06:26.320 to go ahead and kick Crawford inside if something happens 0:06:26.360 --> 0:06:28.599 to Tristan Hill where you don't but that I'd like 0:06:28.640 --> 0:06:30.760 to believe they're gonna put Tristan Hill out there but 0:06:31.279 --> 0:06:33.720 you know, there's are guys that were playing better than 0:06:33.800 --> 0:06:37.200 him last night, and yeah, Twitter let us know about it. Yeah, 0:06:37.240 --> 0:06:39.560 and Wise is one of them with two sacks. I 0:06:39.600 --> 0:06:42.159 think in the first quarter Soto had even had. I mean, 0:06:42.240 --> 0:06:43.960 and Soto is not going to be on this team. 0:06:44.200 --> 0:06:46.520 You know what? What what concerns you about Tristan Hill 0:06:46.520 --> 0:06:48.320 when you watch him play? I think that he doesn't 0:06:48.400 --> 0:06:51.120 understand his pad level right now. I think that he 0:06:51.600 --> 0:06:55.320 that that it's he when you see everybody else firing 0:06:55.400 --> 0:06:56.920 off the ball and there's really not in a lot 0:06:56.960 --> 0:06:58.920 of power to his game. I thought there was gonna 0:06:58.920 --> 0:07:01.400 be more power to the way he plays. But you watch, 0:07:01.600 --> 0:07:04.040 you watch all the defensive lineman come off the ball 0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:06.800 and when they get in even even Wise, when those 0:07:06.800 --> 0:07:10.880 guys get into blocks, there guys move. And with Tristan Hill, 0:07:11.040 --> 0:07:15.320 it tends to stop. You know, his momentum stops. And 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:18.800 you know, I'm okay with the effort and the you 0:07:18.840 --> 0:07:20.880 know and chasing the ball. I mean, he's one of 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:23.000 the best when it comes to okay balls downfield. He 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:25.480 turns runs. You know, you gotta like that about him. 0:07:25.760 --> 0:07:28.440 But I just worry about is there enough quickness there 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:31.320 right now and is there enough power? And I and 0:07:31.520 --> 0:07:34.960 that that when you lack both, I think that puts 0:07:34.960 --> 0:07:38.040 you at risk as when you're saying, okay, undertackle is 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:41.480 an up the field attack the gap, hit the gap, 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:47.800 go be disruptive guy. So what about this question if 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:50.560 you're going to put a quarterback on the practice squad, 0:07:50.600 --> 0:07:54.080 which one you're put in? Well, this is do you 0:07:54.240 --> 0:07:57.800 count Karen Christian as a quarterback? Well? I think they will. 0:07:57.800 --> 0:07:59.440 I think they're gonna count on him as a jack 0:07:59.440 --> 0:08:01.800 of all trade. He's gonna learn how to play safety 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:03.720 on with cards, He's gonna you know, he's gonna do 0:08:03.760 --> 0:08:08.120 a lot of things exactly exactly what the point is, 0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:10.200 could you keep him and Mike White on the practice 0:08:10.200 --> 0:08:13.160 squad if if you went that route and both were cleared. 0:08:13.320 --> 0:08:17.400 This is going to sound crazy and is struggling, as 0:08:17.480 --> 0:08:21.120 Mike White has looked for two years. I wonder if 0:08:21.160 --> 0:08:23.600 and I've said this before, I just wonder if somebody 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:27.760 has a scouting report on him from another team where 0:08:27.760 --> 0:08:32.440 they're thinking, you know what, he's better than our practice 0:08:32.440 --> 0:08:35.200 squad quarterback, or he's better than our you know, Mike 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:37.439 White might look at this the situation if he gets waived, 0:08:37.480 --> 0:08:39.520 and then he has an opportunity to go somewhere else, 0:08:39.920 --> 0:08:42.840 and he might say, you know what, I don't see 0:08:42.840 --> 0:08:45.640 a future here. I need to go on, and you know, 0:08:45.679 --> 0:08:48.640 even though the Cowboys want to bring me back, I 0:08:48.720 --> 0:08:52.959 don't feel good about my situation here. Well, a good point. 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:54.839 Because he was a fifth round pick. There might be 0:08:54.920 --> 0:08:57.200 a team out there two years he's been here now. Yeah, 0:08:57.280 --> 0:08:59.199 but there might be somebody out there that that said, hey, 0:08:59.200 --> 0:09:00.760 well we had a third round, great on this guy. 0:09:00.880 --> 0:09:03.400 But that's what I'm saying. Dallas took him in the fifth. 0:09:03.760 --> 0:09:05.960 Maybe someone had said, you know, Mike White and the sixth, 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:08.360 the seventh is the right thing. And there might be 0:09:08.400 --> 0:09:11.240 somebody out there that says, you know what, Mike White 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:15.439 doesn't anticipate well, which is a problem for a quarterback. 0:09:15.960 --> 0:09:18.040 But maybe someone says, well, let's try and work on 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:21.720 his confidence, because he doesn't look like a confident football player. 0:09:22.000 --> 0:09:24.959 So but he might also make that decision like, you know, 0:09:25.000 --> 0:09:27.280 they're about to sign this quarterback to a thirty million 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:30.640 dollar deal and it looks like Cooper Rush has entrenched 0:09:30.679 --> 0:09:33.839 as the backup guy. Maybe I need to go and 0:09:33.920 --> 0:09:36.320 have a fresh start. Somewhere else and see if I can, 0:09:36.520 --> 0:09:39.079 if I can work that, and if if he does 0:09:39.120 --> 0:09:41.880 clear waivers, he's going to have a practice squad option. 0:09:42.320 --> 0:09:44.120 But will it be here or will it be with 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:46.440 another team? And like I said, someone else could claim 0:09:46.520 --> 0:09:50.080 him just off their college reports that they feel like, 0:09:50.120 --> 0:09:52.440 you know what, he is better than the guy we're 0:09:52.520 --> 0:09:55.360 keeping as our third quarterback right now, and we'd rather 0:09:55.400 --> 0:09:57.880 develop him than this guy that we think that would 0:09:57.920 --> 0:09:59.800 just keep him because we want to have a third quarterback. 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:03.719 You know what about Tampa Bay, They're they're guys, well, 0:10:05.040 --> 0:10:07.199 the cults are. I mean, I just think about Andrew Luck. 0:10:07.640 --> 0:10:10.240 They're they're the cults are going to be in the 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:14.120 quarterback market. They are, they're you know, they're they're not there. 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:16.440 They've worked out guys, but they're not going to panic 0:10:16.480 --> 0:10:18.520 about it. But they're gonna have to look at all 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:21.560 the quarterbacks that are released. I'm sure they'll rank them 0:10:21.640 --> 0:10:24.199 one to how many. Ever, and if Mike White's in 0:10:24.240 --> 0:10:27.240 the top three, you know, maybe they'll maybe make a 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:29.400 claim there. They might have to fight somebody else to 0:10:29.520 --> 0:10:32.040 make that claim. Their backup was injured, right, They're gonna 0:10:32.040 --> 0:10:34.880 bring in Oswilder for a look or something. Yeah, yeah, well, 0:10:35.040 --> 0:10:37.800 I mean Buccaneers lost their guy gabber Yeah, Gabberts. You 0:10:37.800 --> 0:10:40.200 ever heard his risk last week diving for a first 0:10:40.240 --> 0:10:43.440 Tell those two guys that they played, Yeah, that's Griffin 0:10:43.520 --> 0:10:47.160 or Testa, Yeah exactly, I mean Griffin. I think Griffin 0:10:47.200 --> 0:10:50.280 will be the backup there to Winston. But if they're 0:10:50.280 --> 0:10:53.000 going to carry a third guy, is Mike White better 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:57.080 than Vincent Testaverdi? You know, I think so? I would 0:10:57.160 --> 0:10:59.040 I I would say so. You still think he gets 0:10:59.080 --> 0:11:01.120 caught up in the numbers run here? I do? I 0:11:01.160 --> 0:11:04.560 mean he last night he got to start and play 0:11:05.000 --> 0:11:07.720 a good chunk of the game under dress for much 0:11:07.760 --> 0:11:10.760 of the night. I mean, but he had some pocket throws. 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:13.839 He had some pocket throws. The pocket awareness on the 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:16.760 fumble was just really poor on his part, you know. 0:11:16.960 --> 0:11:20.080 I mean again, Jake Campos, and now the Jake Campos 0:11:20.160 --> 0:11:23.040 experiment has gone I call experiment. But he's gone two 0:11:23.160 --> 0:11:25.880 years now, practice squad last year, I haven't seen real 0:11:25.960 --> 0:11:29.199 improvement there. I'm willing to give these other guys, you know, 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:33.599 an opportunity night also of Hyatt. Yeah, okay, I'm in 0:11:33.720 --> 0:11:36.040 for that. That might be a position that I look 0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:38.800 at maybe claiming a tackle. I know Mickey has said 0:11:38.880 --> 0:11:41.640 this from the word go and I and I buy 0:11:41.679 --> 0:11:44.160 an in. You know, they they've need to do something 0:11:44.200 --> 0:11:47.439 at offensive tackle just to make sure that they're taking 0:11:47.520 --> 0:11:49.240 care of at that spot. They can feel good about 0:11:49.320 --> 0:11:52.040 Cam Fleming all they want, and Cam Fleming played well 0:11:52.040 --> 0:11:55.600 against the Saints and the Eagles last year. But you know, overall, 0:11:55.960 --> 0:11:59.160 I'm not totally sold on Cam Fleming being that guy. 0:12:00.440 --> 0:12:02.719 But the but the problem at this late date is 0:12:02.920 --> 0:12:06.319 if no one has an excess of offensive one and 0:12:06.640 --> 0:12:09.760 I mean backup now. Stephen told us what two days 0:12:09.800 --> 0:12:11.920 ago at the kickoff luncheon that they've gotten calls from 0:12:11.960 --> 0:12:14.679 teams about their offensive lineman and their defensive Well, who 0:12:14.679 --> 0:12:16.480 would they who would they want? I think they would 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:19.160 like in the name I'm hearing Mickey and circles around 0:12:19.160 --> 0:12:22.360 the National Football League is Redman. And and I'm only 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:26.079 saying that Redman as a I'm saying Redman as a 0:12:26.440 --> 0:12:29.240 guard and center that people are looking at him as 0:12:29.280 --> 0:12:33.160 a suitable a suitable backup, you know, to carry to 0:12:33.280 --> 0:12:36.160 the game. I mean, you know Sue Philo is gonna 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:39.400 make this team. Uh, you know, Looney's gonna make this team. 0:12:39.800 --> 0:12:43.560 You know, McGovern could very well be a on one 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:47.280 day off the next and we'll see in in eight weeks. 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:50.679 I think that's how that works. Yeah, yeah, so, I 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:53.559 mean I would, I would kind of keep an eye 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:55.880 on how this all plays out. But the name in 0:12:56.120 --> 0:12:59.199 NFL circles, Mickey that I'm hearing is is Redman. Is 0:12:59.240 --> 0:13:01.760 a guy that people are calling about. Let him go, okay, 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:04.320 because because what is it going to be the ninth 0:13:04.360 --> 0:13:06.319 guy here? Well, that's what I'm saying. The ninth guy 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:10.000 to me right now is is going to be is 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:13.000 McGovern if I'm not if he's on, If he's on, 0:13:13.160 --> 0:13:16.160 because you got your five starters and then and then 0:13:16.240 --> 0:13:18.520 he'll be the ninth guy for right now. But then, 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:21.160 but they're gonna have to This is why I think 0:13:21.160 --> 0:13:24.280 they're gonna have to play a little hocus pocus with 0:13:24.400 --> 0:13:27.480 their roster. With Alfred Morris. I don't think you'd better 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:29.880 do that. Well, okay, this is where I'm thinking, No, 0:13:31.120 --> 0:13:34.880 what's bested veterans? I understand, But do you think Alfred 0:13:34.920 --> 0:13:37.760 Morris would walk on you? Who is the odd man out? 0:13:38.040 --> 0:13:43.280 When Zeke shows up? See that it could be Alfred 0:13:43.320 --> 0:13:46.120 Morris right, and you better give him an insurance that 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:49.160 it's not Alfred Morris because there are other teams out there. 0:13:49.360 --> 0:13:52.280 Houston need running backs, right, but they could say we 0:13:52.440 --> 0:13:55.240 want you right and and and they very well could. 0:13:55.480 --> 0:13:58.240 I'm banking on the fact that Alfred Morse. I'm gonna 0:13:58.280 --> 0:14:00.319 try and work a deal with Alfred Morris. What you're 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:02.440 saying is he's a best at. If you let him 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:04.679 go at final cuts, he wouldn't go through waivers. He's 0:14:04.720 --> 0:14:07.439 not he's not subjective to waivers. But it's not subjective. 0:14:07.480 --> 0:14:09.520 But he's got to look out for his future. No 0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:12.280 he does. He does. And the thing about it is, 0:14:12.400 --> 0:14:15.719 though you're you're gonna bring him back now if Zeke reports. 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:20.400 If Zeke does report, then you're right, Houston, New Orleans, 0:14:20.600 --> 0:14:23.480 these places he could surely go. But if that doesn't 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:26.920 happen beforehand. To get him to turn somebody else down 0:14:27.240 --> 0:14:29.800 after you waive him, you're gonna have to give him 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:33.880 some guarantees. You're you're guaranteeing that he's he's coming back. 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:36.840 But what if somebody gives him an offer and they 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:39.920 need him as the lead back up. I'm betting on 0:14:40.040 --> 0:14:42.360 the fact that when he went to San Francisco to 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:46.000 his family, stayed here, His kids stayed here, they stayed 0:14:46.040 --> 0:14:48.600 in school. The family wanted to be here. He had 0:14:48.600 --> 0:14:50.520 a chance to go to New Orlean. But I understand that, 0:14:50.640 --> 0:14:52.160 But what if he's out of a job all of 0:14:52.200 --> 0:14:54.000 a sudden, Well he's going to be out of a 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:56.960 job for two days, No, I mean permanently. Once Zeke 0:14:57.040 --> 0:14:59.800 gets here, Well then he could go. Then he could 0:14:59.840 --> 0:15:02.560 go and leave. He's free to do that, I understand. 0:15:02.640 --> 0:15:05.360 But by then maybe there's not any chairs anywhere else. Yeah, 0:15:05.440 --> 0:15:08.240 sit and have a role. Okay. I just think that's 0:15:08.280 --> 0:15:10.720 taken a chance on his part. I agree with what 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:13.360 you're saying. Yeah, it's a it's a great savvy move. 0:15:13.560 --> 0:15:17.240 But for him to just say, okay, I'm here with 0:15:17.400 --> 0:15:19.840 you and then you cut me after two weeks and 0:15:19.920 --> 0:15:23.400 then somebody gonna pick me up when yeah, I might 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:26.000 have turned something down. And I'm saying I'm not saying 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:28.120 someone's gonna come and get them right, But if they 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:31.680 do that, that's that's not the same as Kellen Moore. 0:15:31.840 --> 0:15:34.360 It's a it's a very it's a it's sure, it's risky, 0:15:34.440 --> 0:15:36.880 but you have to you would only make this steal. 0:15:36.960 --> 0:15:39.680 If you had assurance like Mickey's talking about, if you 0:15:39.840 --> 0:15:43.160 if you told him like, Okay, Alfred, this is our plan, 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:46.160 this is what we would like to do. If Alfred 0:15:46.240 --> 0:15:50.200 Morris doesn't agree to that, you could do it, Jason Witten. 0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:52.360 You could do it with anybody, any vested veteran you 0:15:52.480 --> 0:15:55.440 want to, you have on the roster, you know you. 0:15:55.760 --> 0:15:58.320 But it's a move that you could think about. That's 0:15:58.400 --> 0:15:59.880 that's all I'm saying. You just need to do it 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:03.160 with somebody that's assured of coming back, that's coming back, 0:16:03.360 --> 0:16:05.200 because you're not going to get rid of him when 0:16:05.360 --> 0:16:08.120 Zeke shows up or when somebody else shows up, when 0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:11.440 Robert Quinn shows up, then I'm going to cut another 0:16:11.560 --> 0:16:15.200 defensive end that I played that game with. Right that 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:18.440 That's why I think that you would hatch because look, 0:16:18.560 --> 0:16:22.160 he only got he only got like the ninety thousand 0:16:22.280 --> 0:16:25.200 dollars signing bonus. Yeah, so there's you know, from a 0:16:25.280 --> 0:16:29.720 contract standpoint, and he's on the veteran exception. So somebody 0:16:29.760 --> 0:16:32.360 can say, well, we'll give you one point two million, right, 0:16:32.760 --> 0:16:34.840 So you gotta be careful there. All right, let's take 0:16:34.880 --> 0:16:38.840 our first break. Periscope open Brian's going through those. If 0:16:38.840 --> 0:16:41.360 you've got questions, we'll take him from there and we 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:43.680 come we'll get more into the fifty three man roster. 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:45.600 Cuts need to be made up, believe by what Saturday 0:16:45.600 --> 0:16:49.160 at three Saturday. So we'll be monitoring that and when 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:53.200 we come back. Zeke watch continues. Could he miss September 0:16:53.240 --> 0:16:55.600 eighth the season opener? Could he miss more than the 0:16:55.640 --> 0:16:58.600 September eighth season opener? That's next on Talking Cowboys. Your 0:16:58.640 --> 0:17:04.320 new apartment's big. Such a great deal, that's okay, just okay? 0:17:04.480 --> 0:17:10.720 What's not right above the subway? Well, I bet you 0:17:10.800 --> 0:17:15.720 don't even notice it after that's my neighbor. Angus. A 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:19.280 deal that's just okay is not okay. 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Get your 0:19:08.400 --> 0:19:11.080 tickets now at Dallas Cowboys dot com. And we are now, 0:19:11.720 --> 0:19:15.960 I believe, ten days away from the opener. Still know 0:19:16.040 --> 0:19:21.480 Ezekiel Elliott. Yeah, the holdout continues, and you know Jerry Jones, 0:19:21.800 --> 0:19:24.000 I think you said it Mick on one five three 0:19:24.000 --> 0:19:26.399 the Fan this morning, just kind of a dose of 0:19:26.480 --> 0:19:30.760 reality that he dished out, oh absolutely about when he 0:19:30.880 --> 0:19:32.560 met of when he might come back. I mean he 0:19:32.640 --> 0:19:35.360 basically said, we got to prepare as if he's not here. 0:19:35.600 --> 0:19:38.800 And I think that's the most realistic approach they can 0:19:38.880 --> 0:19:42.560 take because he's not here now, there's no assurance. I 0:19:42.640 --> 0:19:44.360 don't think you can sit there and go, Okay, we're 0:19:44.359 --> 0:19:47.600 gonna cut our roster because we know Zeke's gonna be here. 0:19:47.720 --> 0:19:49.600 You got to cut your roster as if he's not 0:19:49.720 --> 0:19:51.800 going to be here. You have to put your game 0:19:51.880 --> 0:19:54.080 plan together as if he's not going to be here, 0:19:54.359 --> 0:19:56.800 and you got to figure out your running back rotation 0:19:56.960 --> 0:19:59.720 as if he's not going to be here. And my point, 0:20:00.440 --> 0:20:02.880 and I told the guys last night on the postgame show, 0:20:03.440 --> 0:20:06.200 is the hard part is you've got to be able 0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:11.040 to kind of project what you think the Giants, how 0:20:11.119 --> 0:20:14.160 the Giants defense is going to react to no Zeke. 0:20:14.960 --> 0:20:17.880 Are they going to say, we ain't worried about Tony Pollard. 0:20:18.000 --> 0:20:19.560 You know, we're gonna make sure you don't beat us 0:20:19.600 --> 0:20:22.359 throwing the ball, or is it okay? He's going to 0:20:22.440 --> 0:20:24.880 have to prove it to us before we say we're 0:20:24.920 --> 0:20:27.159 going to load the box against the run. So I 0:20:27.240 --> 0:20:30.800 think that's that's this whole thing, is what they've got 0:20:30.920 --> 0:20:32.880 to do now in the next few days to get 0:20:32.920 --> 0:20:36.119 ready for the opener. Yeah, I just I think Mickey's 0:20:36.119 --> 0:20:38.640 absolutely right about that. You know, you have to cut 0:20:38.720 --> 0:20:41.320