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Speaker 1: Straining live from the Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the
Speaker 1: Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brons, Rob Phillips,
Speaker 1: and Bill Jones and welcome into Talking Cowboys Live from
Speaker 1: the Star in Frisco. Rob Phillips in for Bill Jones
Speaker 1: in the hosting chair, Mickey Spagnola, Brian brought us Caden Gates,
Speaker 1: producer next door, and uh, preseason in the books. I
Speaker 1: feel like we just were with each other about six
Speaker 1: hours ago. Yeah. Absolutely, we're navigating the parking lot putting
Speaker 1: a bow on this preseason seventeen fifteen Cowboys lose to
Speaker 1: the Tampa Bay Bucks. I think that puts them at
Speaker 1: two and two. Only they could have made that two
Speaker 1: point conversion and we might have still been at the
Speaker 1: stadium almost had it put him in position. How about
Speaker 1: that from Jalen Guyton. Yeah, needed more of that from
Speaker 1: Jalen guyten. Yeah, you know that was Jalen Guyden OTA's
Speaker 1: mini camp and it just from that, I mean, everything
Speaker 1: you want from Jalen Guyden in one play, the ability
Speaker 1: to you know, snatch the ball, make a guy miss,
Speaker 1: make another guy missed, get to the end of the run,
Speaker 1: stiff arm a guy to get in the end zone.
Speaker 1: That's the Jaalen Guyden that we kind of thought was
Speaker 1: going to be a guy that's to put himself in position.
Speaker 1: But it I just don't think it is what it
Speaker 1: is for him. But we'll see what happens with these waivers.
Speaker 1: To got to have consistency over the entire camp, right,
Speaker 1: especially if you're a rookie, and we'll get into that,
Speaker 1: especially what happened in the game. Anything of note. I
Speaker 1: know that you didn't take a whole lot from it
Speaker 1: based on your one oh five three The fans TEG
Speaker 1: want to show my notes from the game, right, they're
Speaker 1: not to take the night off. It's only uh two
Speaker 1: and a half pages. Yeah, I did you just watch
Speaker 1: every game, every play down? Yeah? Yeah, I just kind
Speaker 1: of watched and now we're waiting for somebody to do
Speaker 1: something for me. And guys made plays. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, but they were making plays against guys that
Speaker 1: aren't going to be in the league. Okay, did you
Speaker 1: feel like guys okay for you, were there any guys
Speaker 1: that you were expecting to make plays that you kind
Speaker 1: of had because we were trying to play it out
Speaker 1: as like the game of the scouts. Will you evaluate?
Speaker 1: But a Jordan chun help you with anything? I know,
Speaker 1: he gets a rib injury, then they get they get
Speaker 1: Donovan Wilson gets hurt, and then you know, all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, now you're sitting there, you're thinking like, okay,
Speaker 1: just let this game be over with Yeah. Absolutely, and
Speaker 1: I think you know, take Goodwin playing free safety and
Speaker 1: like he's lined up in Richardson. You know, got Ryan
Speaker 1: You're a check playing tight end because they don't have
Speaker 1: any tight ends. Sure what you realize if you take
Speaker 1: away punter, kicker, slash, sure the deep snapper and Chris
Speaker 1: Jones only held right, they only played thirty three guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: take those three away. It was thirty six, So thirty
Speaker 1: three guys played an entire game. Some of them looked
Speaker 1: like it two at the end. Right, there were some
Speaker 1: ragged Those offensive linemen were dead. Yeah they did. They
Speaker 1: they they kind of they kind of hurtled that way
Speaker 1: they play. Yeah, they played that way too, they sure did.
Speaker 1: I wanted that moment for Red Fern. What good chance
Speaker 1: for the winning kick didn't happen. Go ahead. Oh, that's right,
Speaker 1: because last they could have. Yeah, they could have if
Speaker 1: they got because they were close, right, it was they
Speaker 1: had to drive, they were within sixty yards. I think
Speaker 1: they kept getting penal and then they had false three
Speaker 1: false starts. Yeah, it was the Torn Tucker moment all
Speaker 1: over again. Right, Hey, going, But some of those guys,
Speaker 1: I think what they accomplished though, is played themselves onto
Speaker 1: the practice squad. Yeah. I think that's really kind of
Speaker 1: what you're at looking at right now when you're talking
Speaker 1: about the guidance and the John by john Now, we
Speaker 1: don't know serious, I know, Mickey, if you talk, I think,
Speaker 1: I don't know. But it looked like a serious shoulder.
Speaker 1: A lot of guys got hurt in this game. We'll see.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying though, because John B. Johnson would
Speaker 1: have been a guy you would have probably tried to
Speaker 1: get through to the waivers, and now you're probably gonna
Speaker 1: have to waive him injured, which meanings he would revert
Speaker 1: to your your ir which means he's completely done for
Speaker 1: the season if that's the case, but you would keep
Speaker 1: his rights. But you keep his rights for another year
Speaker 1: and that it's very similar to what we saw with
Speaker 1: Cedric Wilson last year. Good point safer there than on
Speaker 1: the practice squad because get poached, but you're on IR,
Speaker 1: You're on IR. That's it. So yeah, I think you
Speaker 1: know somebody like that and maybe guiting, um, you know,
Speaker 1: Daniel Wise, you know, he may have his hand up
Speaker 1: for the roster. I don't know, but if it's too crowded, boy,
Speaker 1: that's a good point because to me, Daniel Wise, he's
Speaker 1: flashed times of being really good. And again, now Mickey
Speaker 1: will tell you that, hey, he was going against guys
Speaker 1: that probably aren't gonna make. But but I think there's
Speaker 1: there's I think with a lot of these guys, inconsistency
Speaker 1: is going to get a lot of them right. Where
Speaker 1: guys like with the Cedric Wilsons and the Devin Smiths
Speaker 1: and those guys, they were consistent throughout, Uh, Donovan Wilson
Speaker 1: consistent throughout Uh, you know, just try and try and
Speaker 1: think of the guys that have a chance to make
Speaker 1: this roster. You know, they were the consistent guys, the
Speaker 1: guys that were up and down to the ones. Mickey
Speaker 1: is talking about his practice squad guy like and rightfully so,
Speaker 1: who is flashed at times, but in the games, and
Speaker 1: he had a nice first half last night, but there
Speaker 1: have been other guys at receiver that have been more consistent.
Speaker 1: I just just the reality, I mean, there's the the
Speaker 1: reality of it is that that that I always believe
Speaker 1: this that these players cut themselves, you know when they
Speaker 1: if you don't perform well enough. But then you got
Speaker 1: a guy like you got a guy like Hill, you know,
Speaker 1: and studying the tape late last night after the you know,
Speaker 1: the game, Tristin Hill. Yeah, you know, he's really he
Speaker 1: tries hard, and he and he does some positive things,
Speaker 1: but there's also some things that has some concern. And
Speaker 1: if you're if you're one of these, if you're going
Speaker 1: into this season and you're thinking about maliek Collins playing
Speaker 1: the under tackle and all of a sudden there's a
Speaker 1: little bit of inconsistency with Tristan Hill. Oh does that
Speaker 1: mean We'll wait a minute. The the backup plan is
Speaker 1: to go ahead and kick Crawford inside if something happens
Speaker 1: to Tristan Hill where you don't but that I'd like
Speaker 1: to believe they're gonna put Tristan Hill out there but
Speaker 1: you know, there's are guys that were playing better than
Speaker 1: him last night, and yeah, Twitter let us know about it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and Wise is one of them with two sacks. I
Speaker 1: think in the first quarter Soto had even had. I mean,
Speaker 1: and Soto is not going to be on this team.
Speaker 1: You know what? What what concerns you about Tristan Hill
Speaker 1: when you watch him play? I think that he doesn't
Speaker 1: understand his pad level right now. I think that he
Speaker 1: that that it's he when you see everybody else firing
Speaker 1: off the ball and there's really not in a lot
Speaker 1: of power to his game. I thought there was gonna
Speaker 1: be more power to the way he plays. But you watch,
Speaker 1: you watch all the defensive lineman come off the ball
Speaker 1: and when they get in even even Wise, when those
Speaker 1: guys get into blocks, there guys move. And with Tristan Hill,
Speaker 1: it tends to stop. You know, his momentum stops. And
Speaker 1: you know, I'm okay with the effort and the you
Speaker 1: know and chasing the ball. I mean, he's one of
Speaker 1: the best when it comes to okay balls downfield. He
Speaker 1: turns runs. You know, you gotta like that about him.
Speaker 1: But I just worry about is there enough quickness there
Speaker 1: right now and is there enough power? And I and
Speaker 1: that that when you lack both, I think that puts
Speaker 1: you at risk as when you're saying, okay, undertackle is
Speaker 1: an up the field attack the gap, hit the gap,
Speaker 1: go be disruptive guy. So what about this question if
Speaker 1: you're going to put a quarterback on the practice squad,
Speaker 1: which one you're put in? Well, this is do you
Speaker 1: count Karen Christian as a quarterback? Well? I think they will.
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna count on him as a jack
Speaker 1: of all trade. He's gonna learn how to play safety
Speaker 1: on with cards, He's gonna you know, he's gonna do
Speaker 1: a lot of things exactly exactly what the point is,
Speaker 1: could you keep him and Mike White on the practice
Speaker 1: squad if if you went that route and both were cleared.
Speaker 1: This is going to sound crazy and is struggling, as
Speaker 1: Mike White has looked for two years. I wonder if
Speaker 1: and I've said this before, I just wonder if somebody
Speaker 1: has a scouting report on him from another team where
Speaker 1: they're thinking, you know what, he's better than our practice
Speaker 1: squad quarterback, or he's better than our you know, Mike
Speaker 1: White might look at this the situation if he gets waived,
Speaker 1: and then he has an opportunity to go somewhere else,
Speaker 1: and he might say, you know what, I don't see
Speaker 1: a future here. I need to go on, and you know,
Speaker 1: even though the Cowboys want to bring me back, I
Speaker 1: don't feel good about my situation here. Well, a good point.
Speaker 1: Because he was a fifth round pick. There might be
Speaker 1: a team out there two years he's been here now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but there might be somebody out there that that said, hey,
Speaker 1: well we had a third round, great on this guy.
Speaker 1: But that's what I'm saying. Dallas took him in the fifth.
Speaker 1: Maybe someone had said, you know, Mike White and the sixth,
Speaker 1: the seventh is the right thing. And there might be
Speaker 1: somebody out there that says, you know what, Mike White
Speaker 1: doesn't anticipate well, which is a problem for a quarterback.
Speaker 1: But maybe someone says, well, let's try and work on
Speaker 1: his confidence, because he doesn't look like a confident football player.
Speaker 1: So but he might also make that decision like, you know,
Speaker 1: they're about to sign this quarterback to a thirty million
Speaker 1: dollar deal and it looks like Cooper Rush has entrenched
Speaker 1: as the backup guy. Maybe I need to go and
Speaker 1: have a fresh start. Somewhere else and see if I can,
Speaker 1: if I can work that, and if if he does
Speaker 1: clear waivers, he's going to have a practice squad option.
Speaker 1: But will it be here or will it be with
Speaker 1: another team? And like I said, someone else could claim
Speaker 1: him just off their college reports that they feel like,
Speaker 1: you know what, he is better than the guy we're
Speaker 1: keeping as our third quarterback right now, and we'd rather
Speaker 1: develop him than this guy that we think that would
Speaker 1: just keep him because we want to have a third quarterback.
Speaker 1: You know what about Tampa Bay, They're they're guys, well,
Speaker 1: the cults are. I mean, I just think about Andrew Luck.
Speaker 1: They're they're the cults are going to be in the
Speaker 1: quarterback market. They are, they're you know, they're they're not there.
Speaker 1: They've worked out guys, but they're not going to panic
Speaker 1: about it. But they're gonna have to look at all
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks that are released. I'm sure they'll rank them
Speaker 1: one to how many. Ever, and if Mike White's in
Speaker 1: the top three, you know, maybe they'll maybe make a
Speaker 1: claim there. They might have to fight somebody else to
Speaker 1: make that claim. Their backup was injured, right, They're gonna
Speaker 1: bring in Oswilder for a look or something. Yeah, yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I mean Buccaneers lost their guy gabber Yeah, Gabberts. You
Speaker 1: ever heard his risk last week diving for a first
Speaker 1: Tell those two guys that they played, Yeah, that's Griffin
Speaker 1: or Testa, Yeah exactly, I mean Griffin. I think Griffin
Speaker 1: will be the backup there to Winston. But if they're
Speaker 1: going to carry a third guy, is Mike White better
Speaker 1: than Vincent Testaverdi? You know, I think so? I would
Speaker 1: I I would say so. You still think he gets
Speaker 1: caught up in the numbers run here? I do? I
Speaker 1: mean he last night he got to start and play
Speaker 1: a good chunk of the game under dress for much
Speaker 1: of the night. I mean, but he had some pocket throws.
Speaker 1: He had some pocket throws. The pocket awareness on the
Speaker 1: fumble was just really poor on his part, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean again, Jake Campos, and now the Jake Campos
Speaker 1: experiment has gone I call experiment. But he's gone two
Speaker 1: years now, practice squad last year, I haven't seen real
Speaker 1: improvement there. I'm willing to give these other guys, you know,
Speaker 1: an opportunity night also of Hyatt. Yeah, okay, I'm in
Speaker 1: for that. That might be a position that I look
Speaker 1: at maybe claiming a tackle. I know Mickey has said
Speaker 1: this from the word go and I and I buy
Speaker 1: an in. You know, they they've need to do something
Speaker 1: at offensive tackle just to make sure that they're taking
Speaker 1: care of at that spot. They can feel good about
Speaker 1: Cam Fleming all they want, and Cam Fleming played well
Speaker 1: against the Saints and the Eagles last year. But you know, overall,
Speaker 1: I'm not totally sold on Cam Fleming being that guy.
Speaker 1: But the but the problem at this late date is
Speaker 1: if no one has an excess of offensive one and
Speaker 1: I mean backup now. Stephen told us what two days
Speaker 1: ago at the kickoff luncheon that they've gotten calls from
Speaker 1: teams about their offensive lineman and their defensive Well, who
Speaker 1: would they who would they want? I think they would
Speaker 1: like in the name I'm hearing Mickey and circles around
Speaker 1: the National Football League is Redman. And and I'm only
Speaker 1: saying that Redman as a I'm saying Redman as a
Speaker 1: guard and center that people are looking at him as
Speaker 1: a suitable a suitable backup, you know, to carry to
Speaker 1: the game. I mean, you know Sue Philo is gonna
Speaker 1: make this team. Uh, you know, Looney's gonna make this team.
Speaker 1: You know, McGovern could very well be a on one
Speaker 1: day off the next and we'll see in in eight weeks.
Speaker 1: I think that's how that works. Yeah, yeah, so, I
Speaker 1: mean I would, I would kind of keep an eye
Speaker 1: on how this all plays out. But the name in
Speaker 1: NFL circles, Mickey that I'm hearing is is Redman. Is
Speaker 1: a guy that people are calling about. Let him go, okay,
Speaker 1: because because what is it going to be the ninth
Speaker 1: guy here? Well, that's what I'm saying. The ninth guy
Speaker 1: to me right now is is going to be is
Speaker 1: McGovern if I'm not if he's on, If he's on,
Speaker 1: because you got your five starters and then and then
Speaker 1: he'll be the ninth guy for right now. But then,
Speaker 1: but they're gonna have to This is why I think
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to play a little hocus pocus with
Speaker 1: their roster. With Alfred Morris. I don't think you'd better
Speaker 1: do that. Well, okay, this is where I'm thinking, No,
Speaker 1: what's bested veterans? I understand, But do you think Alfred
Speaker 1: Morris would walk on you? Who is the odd man out?
Speaker 1: When Zeke shows up? See that it could be Alfred
Speaker 1: Morris right, and you better give him an insurance that
Speaker 1: it's not Alfred Morris because there are other teams out there.
Speaker 1: Houston need running backs, right, but they could say we
Speaker 1: want you right and and and they very well could.
Speaker 1: I'm banking on the fact that Alfred Morse. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: try and work a deal with Alfred Morris. What you're
Speaker 1: saying is he's a best at. If you let him
Speaker 1: go at final cuts, he wouldn't go through waivers. He's
Speaker 1: not he's not subjective to waivers. But it's not subjective.
Speaker 1: But he's got to look out for his future. No
Speaker 1: he does. He does. And the thing about it is,
Speaker 1: though you're you're gonna bring him back now if Zeke reports.
Speaker 1: If Zeke does report, then you're right, Houston, New Orleans,
Speaker 1: these places he could surely go. But if that doesn't
Speaker 1: happen beforehand. To get him to turn somebody else down
Speaker 1: after you waive him, you're gonna have to give him
Speaker 1: some guarantees. You're you're guaranteeing that he's he's coming back.
Speaker 1: But what if somebody gives him an offer and they
Speaker 1: need him as the lead back up. I'm betting on
Speaker 1: the fact that when he went to San Francisco to
Speaker 1: his family, stayed here, His kids stayed here, they stayed
Speaker 1: in school. The family wanted to be here. He had
Speaker 1: a chance to go to New Orlean. But I understand that,
Speaker 1: But what if he's out of a job all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, Well he's going to be out of a
Speaker 1: job for two days, No, I mean permanently. Once Zeke
Speaker 1: gets here, Well then he could go. Then he could
Speaker 1: go and leave. He's free to do that, I understand.
Speaker 1: But by then maybe there's not any chairs anywhere else. Yeah,
Speaker 1: sit and have a role. Okay. I just think that's
Speaker 1: taken a chance on his part. I agree with what
Speaker 1: you're saying. Yeah, it's a it's a great savvy move.
Speaker 1: But for him to just say, okay, I'm here with
Speaker 1: you and then you cut me after two weeks and
Speaker 1: then somebody gonna pick me up when yeah, I might
Speaker 1: have turned something down. And I'm saying I'm not saying
Speaker 1: someone's gonna come and get them right, But if they
Speaker 1: do that, that's that's not the same as Kellen Moore.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a very it's a it's sure, it's risky,
Speaker 1: but you have to you would only make this steal.
Speaker 1: If you had assurance like Mickey's talking about, if you
Speaker 1: if you told him like, Okay, Alfred, this is our plan,
Speaker 1: this is what we would like to do. If Alfred
Speaker 1: Morris doesn't agree to that, you could do it, Jason Witten.
Speaker 1: You could do it with anybody, any vested veteran you
Speaker 1: want to, you have on the roster, you know you.
Speaker 1: But it's a move that you could think about. That's
Speaker 1: that's all I'm saying. You just need to do it
Speaker 1: with somebody that's assured of coming back, that's coming back,
Speaker 1: because you're not going to get rid of him when
Speaker 1: Zeke shows up or when somebody else shows up, when
Speaker 1: Robert Quinn shows up, then I'm going to cut another
Speaker 1: defensive end that I played that game with. Right that
Speaker 1: That's why I think that you would hatch because look,
Speaker 1: he only got he only got like the ninety thousand
Speaker 1: dollars signing bonus. Yeah, so there's you know, from a
Speaker 1: contract standpoint, and he's on the veteran exception. So somebody
Speaker 1: can say, well, we'll give you one point two million, right,
Speaker 1: So you gotta be careful there. All right, let's take
Speaker 1: our first break. Periscope open Brian's going through those. If
Speaker 1: you've got questions, we'll take him from there and we
Speaker 1: come we'll get more into the fifty three man roster.
Speaker 1: Cuts need to be made up, believe by what Saturday
Speaker 1: at three Saturday. So we'll be monitoring that and when
Speaker 1: we come back. Zeke watch continues. Could he miss September
Speaker 1: eighth the season opener? Could he miss more than the
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Speaker 1: I believe, ten days away from the opener. Still know
Speaker 1: Ezekiel Elliott. Yeah, the holdout continues, and you know Jerry Jones,
Speaker 1: I think you said it Mick on one five three
Speaker 1: the Fan this morning, just kind of a dose of
Speaker 1: reality that he dished out, oh absolutely about when he
Speaker 1: met of when he might come back. I mean he
Speaker 1: basically said, we got to prepare as if he's not here.
Speaker 1: And I think that's the most realistic approach they can
Speaker 1: take because he's not here now, there's no assurance. I
Speaker 1: don't think you can sit there and go, Okay, we're
Speaker 1: gonna cut our roster because we know Zeke's gonna be here.
Speaker 1: You got to cut your roster as if he's not
Speaker 1: going to be here. You have to put your game
Speaker 1: plan together as if he's not going to be here,
Speaker 1: and you got to figure out your running back rotation
Speaker 1: as if he's not going to be here. And my point,
Speaker 1: and I told the guys last night on the postgame show,
Speaker 1: is the hard part is you've got to be able
Speaker 1: to kind of project what you think the Giants, how
Speaker 1: the Giants defense is going to react to no Zeke.
Speaker 1: Are they going to say, we ain't worried about Tony Pollard.
Speaker 1: You know, we're gonna make sure you don't beat us
Speaker 1: throwing the ball, or is it okay? He's going to
Speaker 1: have to prove it to us before we say we're
Speaker 1: going to load the box against the run. So I
Speaker 1: think that's that's this whole thing, is what they've got
Speaker 1: to do now in the next few days to get
Speaker 1: ready for the opener. Yeah, I just I think Mickey's
Speaker 1: absolutely right about that. You know, you have to cut
Speaker 1: your team down like you're not expecting a Zeke to
Speaker 1: be there. Now. I know we did our projection to
Speaker 1: fifty three and we thought that Zeke. We played it
Speaker 1: like he was going to be there, So you know,
Speaker 1: our our projections could be really wrong. But you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's like they had to deal without Travis Frederick
Speaker 1: to start the season last year. You know they made
Speaker 1: the adjustment. They went with Joe Looney, and you know,
Speaker 1: nobody feels sorry for you in this league. There, they're they're,
Speaker 1: they're you know there, I'm sure that there are everybody's
Speaker 1: looking at the situation and you know, hopefully that the
Speaker 1: things can get done. But we're running out of time here.
Speaker 1: You know, we're gonna start practicing real football, uh this
Speaker 1: next week and playing a game. So you know, they're
Speaker 1: the front office here is ready for that. If Zeke
Speaker 1: happens to show up and wants to be a part
Speaker 1: of this, great. If he's not, then you know that
Speaker 1: they'll they'll prepare the right way to get that done.
Speaker 1: What's the latest? You think he could show up with
Speaker 1: or without a new deal next week and they'd feel
Speaker 1: comfortable playing him against the Giants Tuesday. I was I
Speaker 1: was going to say, if he if he shows up Tuesday,
Speaker 1: I think if he showed it for practice on Wednesday,
Speaker 1: where they the way he physically gets to go out
Speaker 1: there and do some things and pads and gets to
Speaker 1: knock it around a little bit. You know the thing
Speaker 1: about Ezekiel and I think he's a rare player, you know.
Speaker 1: I know people talk about running backs. I just think
Speaker 1: about positional players, and you know, and how I've ever
Speaker 1: evaluated him when you talk about receivers and running backs
Speaker 1: and quarterbacks and offensive linemen and all that. He's a
Speaker 1: rare player. And you know, I know once he's between
Speaker 1: those lines of how he plays and how he prepares.
Speaker 1: So to me that the fact that he didn't hold
Speaker 1: out all of OTAs and the mini camps, I mean,
Speaker 1: he was here really through June. Now did he get
Speaker 1: the hitting and stuff, No, he really didn't, but he'd
Speaker 1: never really got the hitting. You know that people will
Speaker 1: take shots, send him a little bit and practice, bump
Speaker 1: off him and stuff like that. But as far as
Speaker 1: the preseason stuff, that wasn't something really big. So I
Speaker 1: just have a feeling that if he came in on
Speaker 1: Wednesday and started practicing that you would probably see a
Speaker 1: pretty good version of Ezekiellot playing in that football game.
Speaker 1: You know, I mean the speed of he understands the
Speaker 1: hits and the game and unders. You know, he's a
Speaker 1: smart guy. He knows blitz pick up, he knows catching
Speaker 1: the football, he knows all these things. So I mean,
Speaker 1: I think the the the learning curve for him having
Speaker 1: to come back, it would be really, really, really small
Speaker 1: because he's basically been through all this. Dude, what you
Speaker 1: what you hope doesn't happen. And I've seen guys do this.
Speaker 1: They signed at noon on Saturday so they can get paid,
Speaker 1: but they don't. They're not going to play right. And
Speaker 1: I want to say that happened to someone on another
Speaker 1: team last year where they signed Friday night and then
Speaker 1: it was like, Okay, you're inactive, you know, and you can't.
Speaker 1: You can't force him to do too much in that
Speaker 1: first game, even if he shows up right week. You can't.
Speaker 1: You can't sacrifice the regular season for the season opener. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you get got to be careful if it's if
Speaker 1: it's twenty five really good plays, you know, snap snap carries, yeah,
Speaker 1: snap snaps where he's Maybe it's at that screen they
Speaker 1: worked on in OTAs. Maybe it's at thirty seven they
Speaker 1: run off left tackle. Maybe it's at thirty eight they
Speaker 1: run off right tack. Okay, Tony Potter, get in there.
Speaker 1: We're gonna hand the ball to you on a thirty eight.
Speaker 1: Oh now we're gonna throw another screen. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: okay with all that. I'm really okay with all that.
Speaker 1: I was standing next to Nate Newton on the sideline
Speaker 1: pre game and he was cracking himself up. He took
Speaker 1: a picture of Emmett with Jerry and tweeted out the
Speaker 1: original holdout and Craig cracked himself up because he was
Speaker 1: there for that. And you had Emmett with Lindsay on
Speaker 1: the pregame show and haven't made sure to point out
Speaker 1: and his wasn't a holdout. They were negotiating contract. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he wasn't holding out. They just couldn't come to terms.
Speaker 1: And I love it that he always reminds everybody of
Speaker 1: that that you know, I won't under contract like this
Speaker 1: guy's under contract. Were he and Mike lobbying heavily to
Speaker 1: get him? Yeah? Here, Yeah, Yeah, that's what it sounded like,
Speaker 1: Mike off periscope. Guys, want to know, just to kind
Speaker 1: of change the subject a little bit, how did you
Speaker 1: feel about Kellen Moore's play calling for the preseason. I'm
Speaker 1: not asking you to give a grade, but how did
Speaker 1: you feel about him? Is and you could take the
Speaker 1: fourth game out of it, yeah, but overall, look at
Speaker 1: the first drives, the drives that they had with the
Speaker 1: with the ones for those three games that we saw.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know that. I sat there and go,
Speaker 1: what was that? Yeah? You know, and I think people
Speaker 1: better get ready for it that when they get into
Speaker 1: the red zone or they get inside the ten yard line,
Speaker 1: his priority is going to be to run the football.
Speaker 1: And he thinks they can run the football, and he's
Speaker 1: not going to give up on it. So I think
Speaker 1: folks might be thinking they're gonna get some exotic plays out.
Speaker 1: There was sky war plays, Skywars, sky Wars. Yeah, so yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't see. I didn't I didn't know. I didn't
Speaker 1: see a noticeable difference one way or another. You can
Speaker 1: see it in the formations. You can see what he's
Speaker 1: doing with the full back, you can see the motion,
Speaker 1: but from the plays they actually call, I didn't see
Speaker 1: anything that I said, oh that's Kellen Moore. Well, and
Speaker 1: again he's not going to show everything he's got right now, right,
Speaker 1: but what you saw maybe twenty eight days of practice
Speaker 1: or thirty days of practice, and then you know three
Speaker 1: preseason game where he got to call play. I like
Speaker 1: the pace of which the offense moved in practice and
Speaker 1: in the games it's kind of maybe a little bit
Speaker 1: more of a brisker pace, not saying it's no huddle,
Speaker 1: hurry up. But well, they tried that last night, didn't they.
Speaker 1: They did, Yeah, the officials wouldn't let him do it.
Speaker 1: The officials one time kind of jumped in there on them.
Speaker 1: So why is that, no, they stopped because of the substitutions.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's why. I mean, I remember a couple
Speaker 1: of times in brad you know, I'm I'm very mindful
Speaker 1: of when they break the huddle because that's my queue
Speaker 1: to shut up, but when they go no huddle, I
Speaker 1: have to immediately shut up, you know. So it was
Speaker 1: a couple of times, and then you saw the official
Speaker 1: the umpire jump in there and kind of keep them
Speaker 1: from playing with a little pace. So anything else stand
Speaker 1: out for Cherry? Last night, Jerry talked to the umpire
Speaker 1: before the game. Did he really when he was when
Speaker 1: he was I can't remember if he was waiting he
Speaker 1: was waiting to come on with us. And so the
Speaker 1: second time, so it was the it was the umpire
Speaker 1: one one fifteen, Yeah, and he was talking to him
Speaker 1: and when he said something, I said, so, did you
Speaker 1: tell the umpire, don't act like the umpire last week
Speaker 1: and throw a flag on every play he goes as
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, and he said, let's get some
Speaker 1: flow to this game. Let's get some progress going, drives going,
Speaker 1: and let's not be throwing a lot of fly I
Speaker 1: mean what it was like twenty three penalties last week. Yes,
Speaker 1: Houston San Francisco game was even worse, but well they
Speaker 1: had they had. Yeah, exactly, question off here, how satisfied
Speaker 1: are you with the safeties, with the way what you've
Speaker 1: seen from the safety play so far, I haven't seen
Speaker 1: anything to say, oh, they're in trouble. I've been happy
Speaker 1: with seeing what I've seen from the whole secondary, the
Speaker 1: whole first team secondary flying around. To me, it's they've
Speaker 1: been the most impressive position group on the roster through
Speaker 1: practice and games. And I think Donovan Wilson, it's not
Speaker 1: just because he's an aggie. I mean, it's not just
Speaker 1: because he's got three picks in in four preseason games.
Speaker 1: I mean he they saw something in him that maybe
Speaker 1: other teams didn't in terms of arrange prospect. Sure, and
Speaker 1: I thought he was like as a box player, and
Speaker 1: he's really he's better than that he looks very similar
Speaker 1: the way he moves to Xavier Woods. Well, if you
Speaker 1: remember during OTAs or Mini camp, there there were times
Speaker 1: when he was coming in then they were putting him
Speaker 1: in the slot, Yeah, to cover a wide receiver. So yeah,
Speaker 1: he's he's been I think, very encouraging and you know,
Speaker 1: who knows if he keeps this up, he may be
Speaker 1: the third safety. Yeah, earned snaps within the rotation. I mean,
Speaker 1: who do you who do you trusting coverage more right now?
Speaker 1: Him or Cavon Frasier. Yah. See, cavan Frasier had that
Speaker 1: look in that game last night. Brad and I were
Speaker 1: talking about this where he had those long white sleeves on,
Speaker 1: like he wasn't thinking I was going to play last night.
Speaker 1: He was in reserve, and he was in reserve, and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden he had to show up. And
Speaker 1: you know, he didn't play poorly, But you know, Cavon
Speaker 1: Frasier does not have the athletic ability that we've seen
Speaker 1: from Donovan Wilson, just doesn't have the movement that he has.
Speaker 1: Came on, Frasier's not going to make a cover to
Speaker 1: play in the middle of the field. Even though you
Speaker 1: know that I thought I was critical of Testiverity for
Speaker 1: throwing the ball down the middle of the field, But
Speaker 1: you know, the more you think about it, you know
Speaker 1: he had the right. If there's nobody in the middle
Speaker 1: of the field, he has that's that's probably the right
Speaker 1: direction to go with the ball. But there was so
Speaker 1: much clutter there, and the clutter would happened to be
Speaker 1: the safety Wilson playing. You know, I was talking to
Speaker 1: a coach after the game about him, and he's like,
Speaker 1: have you ever been around a player that gravit The
Speaker 1: ball just gravitates towards him? And the player that reminded me.
Speaker 1: And this is gonna sound terrible because the young he's
Speaker 1: not young. The guys in jail right now is Darren
Speaker 1: Sharper in Green Bay. If you remember Darren Sharper Green Bay,
Speaker 1: Darren Sharper in New Orleans. Darren Sharper was always around
Speaker 1: the ball. It somehow it would end up at him,
Speaker 1: either intercepted or fumble. It would always be around him.
Speaker 1: And ye, yeah, that's the way. Darren Sharper was always
Speaker 1: that type of guy at safety that you knew the
Speaker 1: ball was going to come to his direction. And and
Speaker 1: I think Donovan Wilson has got some of those types
Speaker 1: of traits where the ball naturally comes to him. Let
Speaker 1: me tell you this on that kickoff coverage stuff, playing
Speaker 1: the playing the L five, playing next to the kicker
Speaker 1: running down there. You know it's funny, I asked, asked
Speaker 1: the coach afterwards. I wrote about this this morning. I
Speaker 1: thought that they did the kickoff short on purpose so
Speaker 1: guys could tackle. Nah, the kicker was just he just
Speaker 1: he was just bad. That's the problem. I was giving
Speaker 1: him credit for, like wanting to see what was going on.
Speaker 1: But then I talked to some guys this morning, but
Speaker 1: they said, Nah, the kicker just couldn't get the ball
Speaker 1: the end zone. And I'm like, okay, but what you
Speaker 1: got tosarily get the field goal to the end. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was a field goal ugly, may be the ugliest
Speaker 1: good field goal shin I think. But but, but but
Speaker 1: you got to see Donovan Wilson tackle on special teams.
Speaker 1: He got to see Devin Smith tackle on special teams.
Speaker 1: So you know, however that all played out, I thought
Speaker 1: was pretty good for the Cowboys from that aspect, because
Speaker 1: Donovan Wilson rant rant down there, used his hands, disengaged
Speaker 1: the block Boom make the tackle right there. So at
Speaker 1: this point, is he the second best draft plice they've
Speaker 1: had for this year? Could be the second most productive,
Speaker 1: is the second most well if you look at him,
Speaker 1: Pollard Pollard in him, Yes, exactly, Yeah, fourth and sixth. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Somebody asked somebody asked a question, if this if the
Speaker 1: roster is so deep that you're going to have guys,
Speaker 1: these rookies what they call red shirt and a few
Speaker 1: red shirting, is they sit out really the entire year
Speaker 1: they're inactive and stuff like that, but govern could be
Speaker 1: just because of injury. Will see, Yeah, how serious? What
Speaker 1: they need to do with that. Tristan Hill is going
Speaker 1: to be a rotational guy until he proves he can't
Speaker 1: be a rotational guy until he hurts him, until he
Speaker 1: hurts him, Yeah, until he becomes a liability at tackle.
Speaker 1: And no he's not Taco and stuff like that, but
Speaker 1: he is a guy that will get an opportunity and
Speaker 1: if they if they have to move some guys around.
Speaker 1: Did you hear the news on Daniel Ross what was
Speaker 1: wrong with him? His shoulder, shoulder rotator cuff. Maybe that's
Speaker 1: another guy in position and maybe make this team. That's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, though, if you got a rotate that
Speaker 1: sounds like to me and I are, that's a surgery
Speaker 1: and goodbye. That's what I thought there wouldn't he was
Speaker 1: supposed to play, because when I saw him being held out,
Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, he's not good enough to hold out
Speaker 1: something's right. Yeah, I'm hearing straight answer on it. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's a rotator cuff problem there. So we
Speaker 1: need to kind of keep an eye on that. All right,
Speaker 1: let's take our final break, we come back. Hey, more
Speaker 1: of periscope from you guys, and I got a couple
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Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, So keep an eye on that or
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Speaker 1: in person though, too? Did they did see Mike White?
Speaker 1: You had a five for five touchdown drive. Yeah. Speaking
Speaker 1: of people saying stuff, I got a new one the
Speaker 1: other day saying stop people see and they go, oh,
Speaker 1: you've covered the Cowboys so long. I remember, you know,
Speaker 1: listening to you with my father or you know whatever
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Speaker 1: this a long time. I remember listening to you with
Speaker 1: my grandfather. I said, okay, that's a that's enough enough.
Speaker 1: I felt old last night watching Vincent Testaverdie slinging around.
Speaker 1: How about that my first full season was Vinnie Testaverdie?
Speaker 1: Was this quarterback in this book. I think Vinnie was
Speaker 1: there last night? Was he? Yeah, it's good you got
Speaker 1: to see a sun play then? Yeah? Yeah? All right?
Speaker 1: A couple names here that gut for you guys. There
Speaker 1: you go. Could they have entered the conversation on the
Speaker 1: fifty three if not? The practice squad Donovan Alumba see
Speaker 1: pick six? Yeah, and this and this is where this
Speaker 1: is where Brian brought us. His dream is gonna end.
Speaker 1: I think I think that and Mickey, I don't know
Speaker 1: if you've talked to anybody about it. I'm sure you
Speaker 1: have because you do a good job with that. But
Speaker 1: there's there's questions about Donovan Alumba's speed. Yeah, and they
Speaker 1: feel like that, and you know, they got Mike Jackson,
Speaker 1: even though Mike Jackson hasn't sniffed this year this summer.
Speaker 1: Mike Jackson then plays faster. He's a four three eight
Speaker 1: four three eight guy. They feel like he's got better
Speaker 1: time speed, better long speed, better catchups. But even though
Speaker 1: there's been a couple of times what we've seen him
Speaker 1: get separated on. So but I think that the dream
Speaker 1: for Donovan Alumba is going to end, you know. I
Speaker 1: know we put him on our fifty three man roster.
Speaker 1: I know some people on periscope for asking us has
Speaker 1: after last night some of your thoughts changed, you know.
Speaker 1: I think that's one where people are saying, I don't
Speaker 1: quite understand your love for Donovan Alumba, And I'm like,
Speaker 1: he makes plays, he knocks balls down, and but the
Speaker 1: bottom line is say he can't run, and that's something
Speaker 1: that's very very important to them. So I think that
Speaker 1: the dream for Donovan Alumbo will probably come to an
Speaker 1: end today or it goes back to the practice squad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: another you want guys like practice squad, right, Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: they had him on a whole year and he was
Speaker 1: one of the few guys that Chris roushard Actually when
Speaker 1: they were running first team cards each week, Donovan Lumbo
Speaker 1: would get one or two snaps with the first team
Speaker 1: just to kind of give him a little taste of
Speaker 1: what was going on. And we'll see, we'll see if
Speaker 1: he gets claimed. Somebody might like him that you see
Speaker 1: enough plays. We've written about him enough, We've talked about
Speaker 1: him enough. The film is out there where you can
Speaker 1: actually see him doing some good things, so you know.
Speaker 1: And the interception, I mean, the ball was batted at
Speaker 1: the line of scrimp boy. A hell of a play.
Speaker 1: Though he got his hands, he blows to the ground.
Speaker 1: He did give him some credit, man, Yeah, I'm going
Speaker 1: to give him, but he didn't he didn't need any
Speaker 1: speed to do that. He made it to be able
Speaker 1: to get down and catch the ball off his toes,
Speaker 1: did a nice job of getting to the end zone.
Speaker 1: Because if he doesn't jump and didn't extend the ball,
Speaker 1: he's gonna get knocked out because when I was watching that,
Speaker 1: no one gave Showers credit for blitzing, and that is
Speaker 1: absolutely and hitting the ball. So what if he just listened.
Speaker 1: It was a week or so ago when somebody asked
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett about a lumba and it was kind of
Speaker 1: wishy washy. Yeah, it was kind of like a backhanded compliment.
Speaker 1: He has said it to us, like I'm not the
Speaker 1: most athletic guy, and I try to make up for
Speaker 1: it with anticipation. And that's fine at some point, but
Speaker 1: that's how you try to hang around. And you watch
Speaker 1: him one on one with Julio Jones, Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: think so. Yeah, people are asking, People are asking Mike.
Speaker 1: Is Mike Jackson that fat? Yeah? They they've got him
Speaker 1: as a four three eight time. His tag if you
Speaker 1: went in the draft room right now, his tag would
Speaker 1: say four three eight And they just got to get
Speaker 1: him healthy, so he'll be one of those guys I
Speaker 1: think they keep. And then he's inactive on Sunday. There
Speaker 1: you go, well, why is he even here if he
Speaker 1: has you know, if his speed is so bad, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like he's gotten he treates that work.
Speaker 1: He's got that size. I get you, I get you.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm talking myself into it right time with beat
Speaker 1: out there. He's had some good days, he told he's
Speaker 1: had some really good days in camp, and he's had
Speaker 1: some days where he got picked on too. So did
Speaker 1: I tell you I had lunch with him in a
Speaker 1: Hawaii No, I was was that conversation city. I was
Speaker 1: sitting at a place and next thing I looked over
Speaker 1: and there was a bar stool next to me, and
Speaker 1: he came in and sat down and about it was.
Speaker 1: It was not. I interviewed very deep, let's put it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I interviewed. Yeah, he could have too, but he's so quiet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's very and he very measured with his words. Yeah.
Speaker 1: What other names you got? I know you got more names?
Speaker 1: I got one more? Okay, Justin Phillips eleven tackles again
Speaker 1: last night. Sure let this team in tackles in preseason?
Speaker 1: Got you played every snap on all special teams and
Speaker 1: all the defensive staf. They cut this guy once in June.
Speaker 1: They brought him back after they cut Larry Allen Junior.
Speaker 1: He's been productive. Luke Gifford did enough, seemingly in one
Speaker 1: preseason game to talk get on the roster at least
Speaker 1: depending on the injury that he's got. I'm hearing that
Speaker 1: it's less weeks than we initially thought, even though he's
Speaker 1: been in a boot. Gifford. Yes, yes, So if that's
Speaker 1: the case, they're gonna carry him. They're gonna carry him,
Speaker 1: and they and they're good for Justin Phillips. Their intention
Speaker 1: when he first got hurt was to carry him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And so I don't know if it changes or Justin
Speaker 1: Phillips changes their mind, but they really liked let me
Speaker 1: ask you this, can I just want one thing? I
Speaker 1: was great. You mentioned Donald Wilson. Always around the ball.
Speaker 1: That's what I see from Phillips a linebacker. I'm not
Speaker 1: disagreed with you pass deflections. He's just you know, he's
Speaker 1: not the biggest linebacker. But there's some questions. A couple
Speaker 1: of angles he took he'd probably liked to have back.
Speaker 1: But you're right. He was in every single tackle. Him
Speaker 1: and Nate Hall were in every single tackle last night.
Speaker 1: And they're always around the ball too. That think the
Speaker 1: thing that I think is going to what's amazing is
Speaker 1: if Luke Gifford was healthy, would he have had the
Speaker 1: season or the preseason like we saw from Justin Phillips.
Speaker 1: Because to me, lee out there, Okay, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: If if if Justin Phillips had had that, that's assume.
Speaker 1: If if Luke Gifford has the same type of games
Speaker 1: that Justin Phillips has, we'd be like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: through the roof and but here's here is Luke Gifford.
Speaker 1: He is going to make this football team basically off
Speaker 1: some practices in one game if you look at it,
Speaker 1: where Justin Phillips he played four really good games. If
Speaker 1: you the Rams game, you know he didn't have eleven tackles,
Speaker 1: but he was again around the ball. I mean, if
Speaker 1: you're a scout from another team watching and you're going, okay,
Speaker 1: what's his problem again? Why did you, as college scouts
Speaker 1: not like this guy? You know, because you could put
Speaker 1: on you can make a real you can watch, you know,
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones might watch a fifteen or twenty play reel
Speaker 1: on a guy if they're trying to sell him, and
Speaker 1: you could find twenty plays of this guy and go, well, man,
Speaker 1: he's better than our seventh guy or better than our
Speaker 1: sixth guy. I think he earned a practice squad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if he clears, if he could, if he clears, if
Speaker 1: he clears, and you know there had to be Lillard
Speaker 1: making it. Would you change that out now and put
Speaker 1: it's justin March by the way, justin March. Would you
Speaker 1: put Justin Phillips instead? Would you switch him out? They'd
Speaker 1: like March because of special teams In fact, you can
Speaker 1: play every position basically a linebacker, right, I mean, you
Speaker 1: know he wasn't. He wasn't one of the best. I mean,
Speaker 1: like I'm saying, he had to play. He did. He
Speaker 1: had to play a lot of snaps. And I think
Speaker 1: that I think where sometimes not. I think, I know
Speaker 1: he's a liability in coverage at times, Yes he really is.
Speaker 1: And as a downhill forward player, you're all right with him.
Speaker 1: But when you put him in coverage, there are there
Speaker 1: are problems there. And but he's a special teams guy.
Speaker 1: We keep talking about how many special teams guys are
Speaker 1: gonna have. You know, I keep that argument of forty
Speaker 1: six you're gonna, okay, we're gonna we're gonna have to
Speaker 1: five special teams guys. Well, that's the make up for
Speaker 1: the fact that Vanderish doesn't play special teams. Janalen Smith
Speaker 1: doesn't play special teams. See see, yeah, exactly that you're down, Okay,
Speaker 1: forty six guys, you're gonna you know, you're not gonna
Speaker 1: have a third quarterback, so you're really you know, you're
Speaker 1: looking at a situation where you have a lot of
Speaker 1: guys that don't play special teams, so maybe you have
Speaker 1: to have all these guys. We gotta wrap it up. No, yeah,
Speaker 1: that time already. It's the forty five mark and the
Speaker 1: break is covering or hovering outside. All right, seventeen fifteen
Speaker 1: the finals. Don't let him intimidate you preseasons in the books.
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