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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This He's Talking Cowboys

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Speaker 1: Straining live from the Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the

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Speaker 1: Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brons, Rob Phillips,

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Speaker 1: and Bill Jones and welcome into Talking Cowboys Live from

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Speaker 1: the Star in Frisco. Rob Phillips in for Bill Jones

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Speaker 1: in the hosting chair, Mickey Spagnola, Brian brought us Caden Gates,

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Speaker 1: producer next door, and uh, preseason in the books. I

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Speaker 1: feel like we just were with each other about six

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Speaker 1: hours ago. Yeah. Absolutely, we're navigating the parking lot putting

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Speaker 1: a bow on this preseason seventeen fifteen Cowboys lose to

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Speaker 1: the Tampa Bay Bucks. I think that puts them at

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Speaker 1: two and two. Only they could have made that two

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Speaker 1: point conversion and we might have still been at the

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Speaker 1: stadium almost had it put him in position. How about

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Speaker 1: that from Jalen Guyton. Yeah, needed more of that from

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Speaker 1: Jalen guyten. Yeah, you know that was Jalen Guyden OTA's

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Speaker 1: mini camp and it just from that, I mean, everything

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Speaker 1: you want from Jalen Guyden in one play, the ability

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Speaker 1: to you know, snatch the ball, make a guy miss,

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Speaker 1: stiff arm a guy to get in the end zone.

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Speaker 1: That's the Jaalen Guyden that we kind of thought was

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Speaker 1: going to be a guy that's to put himself in position.

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Speaker 1: But it I just don't think it is what it

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Speaker 1: is for him. But we'll see what happens with these waivers.

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Speaker 1: To got to have consistency over the entire camp, right,

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Speaker 1: especially if you're a rookie, and we'll get into that,

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Speaker 1: especially what happened in the game. Anything of note. I

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Speaker 1: know that you didn't take a whole lot from it

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Speaker 1: based on your one oh five three The fans TEG

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Speaker 1: want to show my notes from the game, right, they're

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Speaker 1: not to take the night off. It's only uh two

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Speaker 1: and a half pages. Yeah, I did you just watch

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Speaker 1: every game, every play down? Yeah? Yeah, I just kind

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Speaker 1: something for me. And guys made plays. I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I know, but they were making plays against guys that

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Speaker 1: aren't going to be in the league. Okay, did you

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Speaker 1: feel like guys okay for you, were there any guys

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Speaker 1: that you were expecting to make plays that you kind

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Speaker 1: of had because we were trying to play it out

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Speaker 1: as like the game of the scouts. Will you evaluate?

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Speaker 1: But a Jordan chun help you with anything? I know,

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Speaker 1: he gets a rib injury, then they get they get

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Speaker 1: Donovan Wilson gets hurt, and then you know, all of

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Speaker 1: a sudden, now you're sitting there, you're thinking like, okay,

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Speaker 1: just let this game be over with Yeah. Absolutely, and

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Speaker 1: I think you know, take Goodwin playing free safety and

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Speaker 1: like he's lined up in Richardson. You know, got Ryan

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Speaker 1: You're a check playing tight end because they don't have

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Speaker 1: any tight ends. Sure what you realize if you take

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Speaker 1: away punter, kicker, slash, sure the deep snapper and Chris

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Speaker 1: Jones only held right, they only played thirty three guys. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: take those three away. It was thirty six, So thirty

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Speaker 1: three guys played an entire game. Some of them looked

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Speaker 1: ragged Those offensive linemen were dead. Yeah they did. They

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Speaker 1: they they kind of they kind of hurtled that way

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Speaker 1: I wanted that moment for Red Fern. What good chance

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying though, because John B. Johnson would

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Speaker 1: and that it's very similar to what we saw with

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Speaker 1: guys that were up and down to the ones. Mickey

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Speaker 1: is talking about his practice squad guy like and rightfully so,

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Speaker 1: I just just the reality, I mean, there's the the

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Speaker 1: the game, Tristin Hill. Yeah, you know, he's really he

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Speaker 1: little bit of inconsistency with Tristan Hill. Oh does that

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Speaker 1: it tends to stop. You know, his momentum stops. And

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Speaker 1: turns runs. You know, you gotta like that about him.

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Speaker 1: But I just worry about is there enough quickness there

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Speaker 1: that that when you lack both, I think that puts

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Speaker 1: an up the field attack the gap, hit the gap,

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Speaker 1: go be disruptive guy. So what about this question if

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Speaker 1: which one you're put in? Well, this is do you

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Speaker 1: count Karen Christian as a quarterback? Well? I think they will.

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Speaker 1: I think they're gonna count on him as a jack

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Speaker 1: on with cards, He's gonna you know, he's gonna do

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Speaker 1: a lot of things exactly exactly what the point is,

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Speaker 1: could you keep him and Mike White on the practice

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Speaker 1: they're thinking, you know what, he's better than our practice

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Speaker 1: White might look at this the situation if he gets waived,

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Speaker 1: and he might say, you know what, I don't see

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Speaker 1: don't feel good about my situation here. Well, a good point.

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Speaker 1: But that's what I'm saying. Dallas took him in the fifth.

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Speaker 1: So but he might also make that decision like, you know,

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Speaker 1: if I can work that, and if if he does

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Speaker 1: clear waivers, he's going to have a practice squad option.

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Speaker 1: But will it be here or will it be with

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Speaker 1: you know what, he is better than the guy we're

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Speaker 1: keeping as our third quarterback right now, and we'd rather

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Speaker 1: develop him than this guy that we think that would

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Speaker 1: just keep him because we want to have a third quarterback.

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Speaker 1: You know what about Tampa Bay, They're they're guys, well,

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Speaker 1: the cults are. I mean, I just think about Andrew Luck.

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Speaker 1: They're they're the cults are going to be in the

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Speaker 1: the quarterbacks that are released. I'm sure they'll rank them

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Speaker 1: make that claim. Their backup was injured, right, They're gonna

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Speaker 1: I mean Buccaneers lost their guy gabber Yeah, Gabberts. You

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Speaker 1: where they the way he physically gets to go out

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00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:49,760
Speaker 1: there and do some things and pads and gets to

426
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,439
Speaker 1: knock it around a little bit. You know the thing

427
00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,159
Speaker 1: about Ezekiel and I think he's a rare player, you know.

428
00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:58,200
Speaker 1: I know people talk about running backs. I just think

429
00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,840
Speaker 1: about positional players, and you know, and how I've ever

430
00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,440
Speaker 1: evaluated him when you talk about receivers and running backs

431
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,280
Speaker 1: and quarterbacks and offensive linemen and all that. He's a

432
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,760
Speaker 1: rare player. And you know, I know once he's between

433
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,680
Speaker 1: those lines of how he plays and how he prepares.

434
00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,360
Speaker 1: So to me that the fact that he didn't hold

435
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,959
Speaker 1: out all of OTAs and the mini camps, I mean,

436
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:21,880
Speaker 1: he was here really through June. Now did he get

437
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,720
Speaker 1: the hitting and stuff, No, he really didn't, but he'd

438
00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,280
Speaker 1: never really got the hitting. You know that people will

439
00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:29,200
Speaker 1: take shots, send him a little bit and practice, bump

440
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,119
Speaker 1: off him and stuff like that. But as far as

441
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:34,159
Speaker 1: the preseason stuff, that wasn't something really big. So I

442
00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:35,800
Speaker 1: just have a feeling that if he came in on

443
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:39,359
Speaker 1: Wednesday and started practicing that you would probably see a

444
00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,200
Speaker 1: pretty good version of Ezekiellot playing in that football game.

445
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:44,680
Speaker 1: You know, I mean the speed of he understands the

446
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 1: hits and the game and unders. You know, he's a

447
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,639
Speaker 1: smart guy. He knows blitz pick up, he knows catching

448
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,399
Speaker 1: the football, he knows all these things. So I mean,

449
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,360
Speaker 1: I think the the the learning curve for him having

450
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 1: to come back, it would be really, really, really small

451
00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:01,320
Speaker 1: because he's basically been through all this. Dude, what you

452
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 1: what you hope doesn't happen. And I've seen guys do this.

453
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 1: They signed at noon on Saturday so they can get paid,

454
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 1: but they don't. They're not going to play right. And

455
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 1: I want to say that happened to someone on another

456
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 1: team last year where they signed Friday night and then

457
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,960
Speaker 1: it was like, Okay, you're inactive, you know, and you can't.

458
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 1: You can't force him to do too much in that

459
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 1: first game, even if he shows up right week. You can't.

460
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 1: You can't sacrifice the regular season for the season opener. Yeah,

461
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,560
Speaker 1: but you get got to be careful if it's if

462
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 1: it's twenty five really good plays, you know, snap snap carries, yeah,

463
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:47,359
Speaker 1: snap snaps where he's Maybe it's at that screen they

464
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 1: worked on in OTAs. Maybe it's at thirty seven they

465
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 1: run off left tackle. Maybe it's at thirty eight they

466
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 1: run off right tack. Okay, Tony Potter, get in there.

467
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:56,399
Speaker 1: We're gonna hand the ball to you on a thirty eight.

468
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,920
Speaker 1: Oh now we're gonna throw another screen. You know, I'm

469
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,399
Speaker 1: okay with all that. I'm really okay with all that.

470
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 1: I was standing next to Nate Newton on the sideline

471
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 1: pre game and he was cracking himself up. He took

472
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 1: a picture of Emmett with Jerry and tweeted out the

473
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,440
Speaker 1: original holdout and Craig cracked himself up because he was

474
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 1: there for that. And you had Emmett with Lindsay on

475
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 1: the pregame show and haven't made sure to point out

476
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 1: and his wasn't a holdout. They were negotiating contract. Yeah,

477
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 1: and he wasn't holding out. They just couldn't come to terms.

478
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,639
Speaker 1: And I love it that he always reminds everybody of

479
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,119
Speaker 1: that that you know, I won't under contract like this

480
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,159
Speaker 1: guy's under contract. Were he and Mike lobbying heavily to

481
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,159
Speaker 1: get him? Yeah? Here, Yeah, Yeah, that's what it sounded like,

482
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 1: Mike off periscope. Guys, want to know, just to kind

483
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:41,879
Speaker 1: of change the subject a little bit, how did you

484
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,680
Speaker 1: feel about Kellen Moore's play calling for the preseason. I'm

485
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:47,639
Speaker 1: not asking you to give a grade, but how did

486
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 1: you feel about him? Is and you could take the

487
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,159
Speaker 1: fourth game out of it, yeah, but overall, look at

488
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 1: the first drives, the drives that they had with the

489
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,640
Speaker 1: with the ones for those three games that we saw.

490
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know that. I sat there and go,

491
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 1: what was that? Yeah? You know, and I think people

492
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,440
Speaker 1: better get ready for it that when they get into

493
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 1: the red zone or they get inside the ten yard line,

494
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:14,920
Speaker 1: his priority is going to be to run the football.

495
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,400
Speaker 1: And he thinks they can run the football, and he's

496
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,120
Speaker 1: not going to give up on it. So I think

497
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:24,400
Speaker 1: folks might be thinking they're gonna get some exotic plays out.

498
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:30,880
Speaker 1: There was sky war plays, Skywars, sky Wars. Yeah, so yeah,

499
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:35,120
Speaker 1: I didn't see. I didn't I didn't know. I didn't

500
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,199
Speaker 1: see a noticeable difference one way or another. You can

501
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,440
Speaker 1: see it in the formations. You can see what he's

502
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 1: doing with the full back, you can see the motion,

503
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 1: but from the plays they actually call, I didn't see

504
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 1: anything that I said, oh that's Kellen Moore. Well, and

505
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 1: again he's not going to show everything he's got right now, right,

506
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,160
Speaker 1: but what you saw maybe twenty eight days of practice

507
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 1: or thirty days of practice, and then you know three

508
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,399
Speaker 1: preseason game where he got to call play. I like

509
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 1: the pace of which the offense moved in practice and

510
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 1: in the games it's kind of maybe a little bit

511
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 1: more of a brisker pace, not saying it's no huddle,

512
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 1: hurry up. But well, they tried that last night, didn't they.

513
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 1: They did, Yeah, the officials wouldn't let him do it.

514
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 1: The officials one time kind of jumped in there on them.

515
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 1: So why is that, no, they stopped because of the substitutions.

516
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's why. I mean, I remember a couple

517
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,360
Speaker 1: of times in brad you know, I'm I'm very mindful

518
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 1: of when they break the huddle because that's my queue

519
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 1: to shut up, but when they go no huddle, I

520
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 1: have to immediately shut up, you know. So it was

521
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 1: a couple of times, and then you saw the official

522
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,400
Speaker 1: the umpire jump in there and kind of keep them

523
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 1: from playing with a little pace. So anything else stand

524
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,119
Speaker 1: out for Cherry? Last night, Jerry talked to the umpire

525
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,400
Speaker 1: before the game. Did he really when he was when

526
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 1: he was I can't remember if he was waiting he

527
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 1: was waiting to come on with us. And so the

528
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 1: second time, so it was the it was the umpire

529
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,879
Speaker 1: one one fifteen, Yeah, and he was talking to him

530
00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 1: and when he said something, I said, so, did you

531
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,160
Speaker 1: tell the umpire, don't act like the umpire last week

532
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: and throw a flag on every play he goes as

533
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, and he said, let's get some

534
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:13,120
Speaker 1: flow to this game. Let's get some progress going, drives going,

535
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 1: and let's not be throwing a lot of fly I

536
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 1: mean what it was like twenty three penalties last week. Yes,

537
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 1: Houston San Francisco game was even worse, but well they

538
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 1: had they had. Yeah, exactly, question off here, how satisfied

539
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,919
Speaker 1: are you with the safeties, with the way what you've

540
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,160
Speaker 1: seen from the safety play so far, I haven't seen

541
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 1: anything to say, oh, they're in trouble. I've been happy

542
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 1: with seeing what I've seen from the whole secondary, the

543
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 1: whole first team secondary flying around. To me, it's they've

544
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 1: been the most impressive position group on the roster through

545
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 1: practice and games. And I think Donovan Wilson, it's not

546
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: just because he's an aggie. I mean, it's not just

547
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 1: because he's got three picks in in four preseason games.

548
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 1: I mean he they saw something in him that maybe

549
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 1: other teams didn't in terms of arrange prospect. Sure, and

550
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 1: I thought he was like as a box player, and

551
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 1: he's really he's better than that he looks very similar

552
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 1: the way he moves to Xavier Woods. Well, if you

553
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 1: remember during OTAs or Mini camp, there there were times

554
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 1: when he was coming in then they were putting him

555
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: in the slot, Yeah, to cover a wide receiver. So yeah,

556
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: he's he's been I think, very encouraging and you know,

557
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: who knows if he keeps this up, he may be

558
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 1: the third safety. Yeah, earned snaps within the rotation. I mean,

559
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 1: who do you who do you trusting coverage more right now?

560
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: Him or Cavon Frasier. Yah. See, cavan Frasier had that

561
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: look in that game last night. Brad and I were

562
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: talking about this where he had those long white sleeves on,

563
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,479
Speaker 1: like he wasn't thinking I was going to play last night.

564
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 1: He was in reserve, and he was in reserve, and

565
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: all of a sudden he had to show up. And

566
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: you know, he didn't play poorly, But you know, Cavon

567
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 1: Frasier does not have the athletic ability that we've seen

568
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: from Donovan Wilson, just doesn't have the movement that he has.

569
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 1: Came on, Frasier's not going to make a cover to

570
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 1: play in the middle of the field. Even though you

571
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 1: know that I thought I was critical of Testiverity for

572
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 1: throwing the ball down the middle of the field, But

573
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 1: you know, the more you think about it, you know

574
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: he had the right. If there's nobody in the middle

575
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 1: of the field, he has that's that's probably the right

576
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: direction to go with the ball. But there was so

577
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: much clutter there, and the clutter would happened to be

578
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: the safety Wilson playing. You know, I was talking to

579
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 1: a coach after the game about him, and he's like,

580
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 1: have you ever been around a player that gravit The

581
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: ball just gravitates towards him? And the player that reminded me.

582
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 1: And this is gonna sound terrible because the young he's

583
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: not young. The guys in jail right now is Darren

584
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 1: Sharper in Green Bay. If you remember Darren Sharper Green Bay,

585
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 1: Darren Sharper in New Orleans. Darren Sharper was always around

586
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: the ball. It somehow it would end up at him,

587
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: either intercepted or fumble. It would always be around him.

588
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,479
Speaker 1: And ye, yeah, that's the way. Darren Sharper was always

589
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: that type of guy at safety that you knew the

590
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 1: ball was going to come to his direction. And and

591
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: I think Donovan Wilson has got some of those types

592
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: of traits where the ball naturally comes to him. Let

593
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: me tell you this on that kickoff coverage stuff, playing

594
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: the playing the L five, playing next to the kicker

595
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 1: running down there. You know it's funny, I asked, asked

596
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: the coach afterwards. I wrote about this this morning. I

597
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 1: thought that they did the kickoff short on purpose so

598
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: guys could tackle. Nah, the kicker was just he just

599
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 1: he was just bad. That's the problem. I was giving

600
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: him credit for, like wanting to see what was going on.

601
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: But then I talked to some guys this morning, but

602
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: they said, Nah, the kicker just couldn't get the ball

603
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: the end zone. And I'm like, okay, but what you

604
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: got tosarily get the field goal to the end. Yeah,

605
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: that was a field goal ugly, may be the ugliest

606
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: good field goal shin I think. But but, but but

607
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: you got to see Donovan Wilson tackle on special teams.

608
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 1: He got to see Devin Smith tackle on special teams.

609
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 1: So you know, however that all played out, I thought

610
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: was pretty good for the Cowboys from that aspect, because

611
00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 1: Donovan Wilson rant rant down there, used his hands, disengaged

612
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: the block Boom make the tackle right there. So at

613
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: this point, is he the second best draft plice they've

614
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: had for this year? Could be the second most productive,

615
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: is the second most well if you look at him,

616
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 1: Pollard Pollard in him, Yes, exactly, Yeah, fourth and sixth. Yeah.

617
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 1: Somebody asked somebody asked a question, if this if the

618
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 1: roster is so deep that you're going to have guys,

619
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: these rookies what they call red shirt and a few

620
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: red shirting, is they sit out really the entire year

621
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: they're inactive and stuff like that, but govern could be

622
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: just because of injury. Will see, Yeah, how serious? What

623
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: they need to do with that. Tristan Hill is going

624
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: to be a rotational guy until he proves he can't

625
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: be a rotational guy until he hurts him, until he

626
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: hurts him, Yeah, until he becomes a liability at tackle.

627
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: And no he's not Taco and stuff like that, but

628
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 1: he is a guy that will get an opportunity and

629
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: if they if they have to move some guys around.

630
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: Did you hear the news on Daniel Ross what was

631
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 1: wrong with him? His shoulder, shoulder rotator cuff. Maybe that's

632
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: another guy in position and maybe make this team. That's

633
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, though, if you got a rotate that

634
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: sounds like to me and I are, that's a surgery

635
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: and goodbye. That's what I thought there wouldn't he was

636
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,520
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Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, So keep an eye on that or

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Speaker 1: maybe trade him. But they saw Mike White last week

710
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 1: in person though, too? Did they did see Mike White?

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Speaker 1: You had a five for five touchdown drive. Yeah. Speaking

712
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,680
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Speaker 1: other day saying stop people see and they go, oh,

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Speaker 1: you've covered the Cowboys so long. I remember, you know,

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Speaker 1: my grandfather. I said, okay, that's a that's enough enough.

719
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 1: I felt old last night watching Vincent Testaverdie slinging around.

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Speaker 1: How about that my first full season was Vinnie Testaverdie?

721
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Speaker 1: Was this quarterback in this book. I think Vinnie was

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Speaker 1: there last night? Was he? Yeah, it's good you got

723
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Speaker 1: to see a sun play then? Yeah? Yeah? All right?

724
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: A couple names here that gut for you guys. There

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Speaker 1: you go. Could they have entered the conversation on the

726
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:10,959
Speaker 1: fifty three if not? The practice squad Donovan Alumba see

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00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: pick six? Yeah, and this and this is where this

728
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: is where Brian brought us. His dream is gonna end.

729
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: I think I think that and Mickey, I don't know

730
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:21,800
Speaker 1: if you've talked to anybody about it. I'm sure you

731
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: have because you do a good job with that. But

732
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 1: there's there's questions about Donovan Alumba's speed. Yeah, and they

733
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,720
Speaker 1: feel like that, and you know, they got Mike Jackson,

734
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 1: even though Mike Jackson hasn't sniffed this year this summer.

735
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: Mike Jackson then plays faster. He's a four three eight

736
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,919
Speaker 1: four three eight guy. They feel like he's got better

737
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: time speed, better long speed, better catchups. But even though

738
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: there's been a couple of times what we've seen him

739
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: get separated on. So but I think that the dream

740
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: for Donovan Alumba is going to end, you know. I

741
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: know we put him on our fifty three man roster.

742
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 1: I know some people on periscope for asking us has

743
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 1: after last night some of your thoughts changed, you know.

744
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,879
Speaker 1: I think that's one where people are saying, I don't

745
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 1: quite understand your love for Donovan Alumba, And I'm like,

746
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 1: he makes plays, he knocks balls down, and but the

747
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,760
Speaker 1: bottom line is say he can't run, and that's something

748
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: that's very very important to them. So I think that

749
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: the dream for Donovan Alumbo will probably come to an

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00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: end today or it goes back to the practice squad. Yeah,

751
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: another you want guys like practice squad, right, Yeah, absolutely,

752
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: they had him on a whole year and he was

753
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 1: one of the few guys that Chris roushard Actually when

754
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: they were running first team cards each week, Donovan Lumbo

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00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: would get one or two snaps with the first team

756
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 1: just to kind of give him a little taste of

757
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 1: what was going on. And we'll see, we'll see if

758
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 1: he gets claimed. Somebody might like him that you see

759
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 1: enough plays. We've written about him enough, We've talked about

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00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 1: him enough. The film is out there where you can

761
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 1: actually see him doing some good things, so you know.

762
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: And the interception, I mean, the ball was batted at

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00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: the line of scrimp boy. A hell of a play.

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00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: Though he got his hands, he blows to the ground.

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00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 1: He did give him some credit, man, Yeah, I'm going

766
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: to give him, but he didn't he didn't need any

767
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,359
Speaker 1: speed to do that. He made it to be able

768
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: to get down and catch the ball off his toes,

769
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: did a nice job of getting to the end zone.

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00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: Because if he doesn't jump and didn't extend the ball,

771
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: he's gonna get knocked out because when I was watching that,

772
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: no one gave Showers credit for blitzing, and that is

773
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: absolutely and hitting the ball. So what if he just listened.

774
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,800
Speaker 1: It was a week or so ago when somebody asked

775
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett about a lumba and it was kind of

776
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 1: wishy washy. Yeah, it was kind of like a backhanded compliment.

777
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 1: He has said it to us, like I'm not the

778
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 1: most athletic guy, and I try to make up for

779
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: it with anticipation. And that's fine at some point, but

780
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 1: that's how you try to hang around. And you watch

781
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 1: him one on one with Julio Jones, Yeah, I don't

782
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 1: think so. Yeah, people are asking, People are asking Mike.

783
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 1: Is Mike Jackson that fat? Yeah? They they've got him

784
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 1: as a four three eight time. His tag if you

785
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 1: went in the draft room right now, his tag would

786
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 1: say four three eight And they just got to get

787
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: him healthy, so he'll be one of those guys I

788
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 1: think they keep. And then he's inactive on Sunday. There

789
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 1: you go, well, why is he even here if he

790
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: has you know, if his speed is so bad, you

791
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like he's gotten he treates that work.

792
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 1: He's got that size. I get you, I get you.

793
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:13,399
Speaker 1: I'm I'm talking myself into it right time with beat

794
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: out there. He's had some good days, he told he's

795
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 1: had some really good days in camp, and he's had

796
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 1: some days where he got picked on too. So did

797
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 1: I tell you I had lunch with him in a

798
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 1: Hawaii No, I was was that conversation city. I was

799
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 1: sitting at a place and next thing I looked over

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Speaker 1: and there was a bar stool next to me, and

801
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 1: he came in and sat down and about it was.

802
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: It was not. I interviewed very deep, let's put it. Yeah,

803
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 1: I interviewed. Yeah, he could have too, but he's so quiet. Yeah,

804
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 1: he's very and he very measured with his words. Yeah.

805
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 1: What other names you got? I know you got more names?

806
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 1: I got one more? Okay, Justin Phillips eleven tackles again

807
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 1: last night. Sure let this team in tackles in preseason?

808
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 1: Got you played every snap on all special teams and

809
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: all the defensive staf. They cut this guy once in June.

810
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 1: They brought him back after they cut Larry Allen Junior.

811
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 1: He's been productive. Luke Gifford did enough, seemingly in one

812
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:13,439
Speaker 1: preseason game to talk get on the roster at least

813
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 1: depending on the injury that he's got. I'm hearing that

814
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: it's less weeks than we initially thought, even though he's

815
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: been in a boot. Gifford. Yes, yes, So if that's

816
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: the case, they're gonna carry him. They're gonna carry him,

817
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: and they and they're good for Justin Phillips. Their intention

818
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 1: when he first got hurt was to carry him. Yeah,

819
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 1: And so I don't know if it changes or Justin

820
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 1: Phillips changes their mind, but they really liked let me

821
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 1: ask you this, can I just want one thing? I

822
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: was great. You mentioned Donald Wilson. Always around the ball.

823
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 1: That's what I see from Phillips a linebacker. I'm not

824
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: disagreed with you pass deflections. He's just you know, he's

825
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 1: not the biggest linebacker. But there's some questions. A couple

826
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 1: of angles he took he'd probably liked to have back.

827
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 1: But you're right. He was in every single tackle. Him

828
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 1: and Nate Hall were in every single tackle last night.

829
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 1: And they're always around the ball too. That think the

830
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 1: thing that I think is going to what's amazing is

831
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 1: if Luke Gifford was healthy, would he have had the

832
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: season or the preseason like we saw from Justin Phillips.

833
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 1: Because to me, lee out there, Okay, that's what I'm saying.

834
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: If if if Justin Phillips had had that, that's assume.

835
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: If if Luke Gifford has the same type of games

836
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,399
Speaker 1: that Justin Phillips has, we'd be like, oh my gosh,

837
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 1: through the roof and but here's here is Luke Gifford.

838
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 1: He is going to make this football team basically off

839
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 1: some practices in one game if you look at it,

840
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:42,839
Speaker 1: where Justin Phillips he played four really good games. If

841
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 1: you the Rams game, you know he didn't have eleven tackles,

842
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 1: but he was again around the ball. I mean, if

843
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: you're a scout from another team watching and you're going, okay,

844
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: what's his problem again? Why did you, as college scouts

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Speaker 1: not like this guy? You know, because you could put

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Speaker 1: on you can make a real you can watch, you know,

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Speaker 1: Jerry Jones might watch a fifteen or twenty play reel

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Speaker 1: on a guy if they're trying to sell him, and

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Speaker 1: you could find twenty plays of this guy and go, well, man,

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Speaker 1: he's better than our seventh guy or better than our

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Speaker 1: sixth guy. I think he earned a practice squad. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: if he clears, if he could, if he clears, if

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Speaker 1: he clears, and you know there had to be Lillard

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Speaker 1: making it. Would you change that out now and put

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Speaker 1: it's justin March by the way, justin March. Would you

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Speaker 1: put Justin Phillips instead? Would you switch him out? They'd

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Speaker 1: like March because of special teams In fact, you can

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Speaker 1: play every position basically a linebacker, right, I mean, you

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Speaker 1: know he wasn't. He wasn't one of the best. I mean,

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Speaker 1: like I'm saying, he had to play. He did. He

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Speaker 1: had to play a lot of snaps. And I think

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Speaker 1: that I think where sometimes not. I think, I know

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Speaker 1: he's a liability in coverage at times, Yes he really is.

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Speaker 1: And as a downhill forward player, you're all right with him.

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Speaker 1: But when you put him in coverage, there are there

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Speaker 1: are problems there. And but he's a special teams guy.

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Speaker 1: We keep talking about how many special teams guys are

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Speaker 1: gonna have. You know, I keep that argument of forty

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Speaker 1: six you're gonna, okay, we're gonna we're gonna have to

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Speaker 1: five special teams guys. Well, that's the make up for

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Speaker 1: the fact that Vanderish doesn't play special teams. Janalen Smith

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Speaker 1: doesn't play special teams. See see, yeah, exactly that you're down, Okay,

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Speaker 1: forty six guys, you're gonna you know, you're not gonna

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Speaker 1: have a third quarterback, so you're really you know, you're

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Speaker 1: looking at a situation where you have a lot of

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Speaker 1: guys that don't play special teams, so maybe you have

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Speaker 1: to have all these guys. We gotta wrap it up. No, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that time already. It's the forty five mark and the

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Speaker 1: break is covering or hovering outside. All right, seventeen fifteen

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Speaker 1: the finals. Don't let him intimidate you preseasons in the books.

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