1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:01,760 Speaker 1: Previously on Number one. 2 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:02,120 Speaker 2: Dad. 3 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 3: One day I got a phone call from Rich who 4 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 3: was with Manny in the basement, and the marshals came storming. 5 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 4: In good morning, calling the case of AT and T 6 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:16,480 Speaker 4: Corp versus Manny veter defendant. 7 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:20,959 Speaker 5: Veter impersonated a New York Telephone company employee stole two 8 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 5: night TAEL telephone enclosures and was prosecuted for a class 9 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:25,240 Speaker 5: eve felony. 10 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 6: And then down the road as I'd speaking, I say, hey, 11 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 6: did this ever get resolved? And I remember one discussion 12 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:33,239 Speaker 6: where he said, you wouldn't believe what happened. I had 13 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 6: it in a warehouse and somehow the warehouse was broken 14 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:37,520 Speaker 6: into and a whole bunch of stuff was taken. 15 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 1: If you had to guess how that evidence became missing, 16 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: would you put it? 17 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 7: Pat? 18 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:48,559 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a hard thing to speculate if he was 19 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 4: involved in it, but it was just a very good 20 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 4: piece of luck for him that they couldn't bring the 21 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 4: case forward. 22 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 2: I want to show you something, Give me two seconds 23 00:00:58,920 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 2: of your time. 24 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I got a guy. 25 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 2: Since she's assistant. 26 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 1: What I expected meeting my father to have a surprise 27 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 1: or two, but I definitely did not see this coming. 28 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: I have another sister who's half my age, and she's French. 29 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 2: Lying, stealing. 30 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 5: I got in trouble a little bit in different ways. 31 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 5: Everything I had was just street smarts. 32 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: Right now, I'm sitting down with my father, Manny Veeter, 33 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:34,399 Speaker 1: in my old living room on Long Island, asking him 34 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: everything I ever wanted to know. Hopefully I'll get the truth, 35 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 1: but who knows. I mean, he is a con man. 36 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 5: I went to Baru College during nineteen seventy to nineteen 37 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 5: seventy three. 38 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 7: When you're doing well in college in school. 39 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, I cheated my way through college. 40 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 2: How could you not do well? If you're a bad cheater, 41 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 2: then you suck. Yeah, you had to be the best, 42 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 2: and I was the best. 43 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: A lot of people say colleges where they figured out 44 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 1: their path in life, and it turns out my father 45 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: is one of those people. That's whereas days as a 46 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: con artist began. Would it have been easier to actually 47 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 1: have studied for some people? 48 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 5: Yes, for me, that's not the way it worked out. 49 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 1: Tell me how you cheated in college? 50 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 5: By the way, you know, everything I'm saying is all 51 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 5: bullshit and lies, right, Yeah, exactly, good say that to me. 52 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:30,359 Speaker 1: Everything you're saying is all bullshit in lines right, none 53 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: of the trick right. This is number one, dad? 54 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 7: So how would you go about cheating in college? 55 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 5: I decided that if I wanted to get good marks, 56 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 5: logically get a copy of the exam before the exam began. 57 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 2: I figured out how I. 58 00:02:55,440 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 5: Could do that, and then I would disperse the exam 59 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 5: amongst friends of mine who collected money. They made money 60 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:10,079 Speaker 5: selling the exams. We had pretty small kids graduating from 61 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 5: that school. 62 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:12,679 Speaker 7: How much would you sell the exams for? 63 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 5: Oh, put a price tag on it for three to 64 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 5: four hundred dollars an exam. 65 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 7: Wow. 66 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: What I didn't tell my father in that moment is 67 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: I also stole exams in college, which is crazy. I 68 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: had no idea we had this in common, but I 69 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: didn't want to give them the satisfaction in knowing it. 70 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 7: How would you get them? 71 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 2: Like? 72 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 7: How would be access to them? 73 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 2: I knew where the exams were being kept. 74 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 5: Any major classes you were taking, whether it was the 75 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 5: law accounting, had a department accounting department, law department, and. 76 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 2: I figured out. 77 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 5: That those departments somehow had to get the exams printed. 78 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,119 Speaker 2: Back then, they called them mimeograph machines. 79 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 5: And I knew that mistakes are made. And what happens 80 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 5: to the mimeograph machines when they make a mistake, They 81 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 5: take them back copy throw in a garbage. So I said, okay, 82 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 5: I'll pick the garbage. And I took two really smart 83 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 5: kids gave it to them so they could get an. 84 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 2: A plus rather than just an A. 85 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 5: They would have to give me all the answers, and 86 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 5: I told them they had to be perfect or they'd 87 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 5: never see another example. 88 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:35,720 Speaker 2: And I got it. 89 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 5: And it's not like both of us, me sitting here 90 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 5: and the guy who's sitting there. 91 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 2: How the hell do we have the same answers? You know? 92 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 2: And if anybody questioned. 93 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 7: Who did you say I cheated from? 94 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 2: We don't even sit next to each other. What are 95 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 2: you talking about? Right? 96 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 8: You're able to deny, deny, deny, deny because you can't 97 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:01,039 Speaker 8: take back guilty. 98 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: Was this successful? 99 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 2: I mean it's very successful. I was making more money 100 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 2: than a professor was there. 101 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:10,599 Speaker 1: I asked my father about one of his earliest jobs 102 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: out of college. We're out of all the departments he 103 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: was hired to work in security. 104 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 5: I got offered a job with Pan American Airlines. I 105 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 5: don't know if you ever heard of them. There were 106 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 5: big airlines. They were like twa Luftanza. There were one 107 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 5: of the big four in the world. 108 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 2: They put me in. 109 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 7: Charge of security. Ordit in security And how long did 110 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 7: you work at pan. 111 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 2: Am for until they fired me? 112 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:40,479 Speaker 7: So what led to you getting fired? 113 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 2: Back then? 114 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:44,840 Speaker 5: You didn't come up to the desk and they type 115 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 5: in your name, take your credit card? 116 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 2: Okay. They didn't have that technology. 117 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:57,600 Speaker 5: The ticket was handwritten by the woman behind the desk okay. 118 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 5: And the fraud was were fraudulent tickets that were being 119 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:06,599 Speaker 5: handwritten to get on a plane. See, they didn't even 120 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 5: know exactly how many seats were sold till they manually 121 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 5: counted the tickets and I slipped into shit, let's put 122 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 5: it that way. 123 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 7: Yeah, And they got that's it. They could just fire 124 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 7: you for that. 125 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 5: They could remember I'm the guy in ordered to in 126 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:24,719 Speaker 5: security and. 127 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 2: I'm fucking lion. 128 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: And then so, but now you don't have a Tanam job? 129 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:30,840 Speaker 1: What are you thinking about doing for a career. 130 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 5: I needed something to do, so I said, Hey, my 131 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 5: fall was in a furniture business. I loved selling and 132 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 5: bullshitting and putting those two things together. 133 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:46,280 Speaker 1: I asked my father about his fime furniture store Designer's Gallery. 134 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 6: After dozens of buyers claimed they were cheated, the State 135 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 6: Attorney General's Office filed suit yesterday against Veter Sales Inc. 136 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 7: What was Designer's Gallery. 137 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 5: Designer's Gallery was the name of a medium to high 138 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 5: end furniture business that I started. I did have help 139 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 5: in getting into the furniture industry through my father in law, 140 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 5: Ben Wolf, at that point, in order to gain more credibility, 141 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 5: and this is where a lot of my scams began. 142 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 5: I said, well, Manny Veeder in the furniture bill, who 143 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 5: the hell is he? But Manny Wolf was the son 144 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 5: of Ben Wolf, who had a store in Williamsburg, Brooklyn 145 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 5: at two seventy five Broadway. I wanted something that was catchy, 146 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 5: that could basically identify with young people and middle aged 147 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 5: people who could buy furniture and spend more money. 148 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: Did you start off in the furniture business as being 149 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: an honest businessman? 150 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 2: Absolutely? Absolutely. 151 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 5: Now that brings me into the next step which got 152 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 5: me into trouble. I became a transshipper. I invented that 153 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 5: word transshipper. Now people came through me and they go, oh, 154 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 5: I want Ethan Allen or Drexel Heritage. 155 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 2: These were big. 156 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 5: Names in the furniture industry, but they wouldn't sell to me. 157 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 5: They sold only to authorize dealers, like you can't buy 158 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 5: a Vovo at a BMW guy unless you have two dealerships. 159 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 5: So I went ahead and I said, how the fuck 160 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 5: am I going to get these big names to sell me? 161 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 5: So I needed another scam because everybody already knew who 162 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 5: I was as a designers gallery, and they knew me 163 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 5: in New York. 164 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 2: So I said, screw this. 165 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 5: I'll set up an address in Boston and I'll set 166 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:51,319 Speaker 5: up an address in Maryland. 167 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,439 Speaker 2: But I needed a good name. So what was that name? 168 00:08:55,720 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 5: Armed Forces Sales and Services. What is Enforces Sales and 169 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 5: Services do? When I went to introduce myself to these 170 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:07,719 Speaker 5: guys who didn't know who I was, I said, well, 171 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 5: we are the ones that furnished all the embassies in 172 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 5: France in Italy. 173 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:15,319 Speaker 2: That's how the furniture gets there. 174 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 5: You send it to me, I put it in the container, 175 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 5: and I send it overseas. 176 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 2: You should never left the United States. 177 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 1: I've never known about any of this before, but I 178 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: got to admit, this is another brilliant scheme by my 179 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: dad for his entire life. Using quick thinking and deception, 180 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 1: he's been able to come up with a solution to 181 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: get him ahead. 182 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:38,079 Speaker 5: If I could think it, I could make it work. Okay, 183 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 5: it's all about delusion. Like a magician. I was a 184 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 5: magician in the furniture business. They were figuring schmucks embassies 185 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,679 Speaker 5: all over the world. Right, But what they didn't realize 186 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 5: how many times are they going to change their furniture? 187 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 2: Right? Exactly? 188 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 5: Umforces sales and services. I may have some business cards 189 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 5: still left over. I'll give you nice furniture. However, I 190 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 5: got a little greedy guys in my area said, Manny, 191 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 5: how the hell did you get Drexel? How did you 192 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 5: get this? How did you get that? I said, well, 193 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 5: I have a contact. You couldn't get it. Who could 194 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 5: get it? 195 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 2: Man? He wolf could get it. So they would call me. 196 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:23,839 Speaker 5: I'd have these things shipped to a bogus address or 197 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 5: warehouse where I was doing my trucking with, sent it there, 198 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 5: and then take it and send it to the guy 199 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 5: who wanted it. 200 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 2: But he got to the point where the. 201 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 5: Guy at the warehouse was also delivering furniture for other companies. 202 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 5: So he'd asked me could you do a favor for 203 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 5: so and so do it for me? Okay, he's helping 204 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 5: me out. I open it and the furniture would come 205 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 5: in and I've got four thousand dollars of inventory for 206 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 5: Joe Piazza that he ordered from me, and he said, 207 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 5: could you send it to me. I'll pay you as 208 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 5: soon as I get paid. Well that's where I was stupid, 209 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 5: because I got to wait for him to get paid. Fuck, 210 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 5: you pay me now if you want the furniture. And 211 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 5: that's when they started to threaten me. And I had 212 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 5: a family. I didn't want to get threatened. They figured, 213 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 5: what am. 214 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 2: I gonna do? 215 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 5: My goodness, I'm not gonna go after them legally, So 216 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 5: I called Anthony, and Anthony got involved and basically had 217 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 5: to go down, pay a visit to these people. 218 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 2: And make sure we got paid. 219 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 7: So who is Anthony? 220 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 5: Anthony came from a family of the good old boys, 221 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 5: and you wanted to be on the right side of 222 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 5: Anthony because if you didn't and you crossed him, he 223 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:44,439 Speaker 5: would follow you to work. 224 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 2: And wait for you to get to your job, and 225 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 2: then when you'd get into that big elevator that took 226 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 2: you up to the forty fourth floor. 227 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 5: He'd step in, punch in the face, walk out the elevator, 228 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 5: and the doors were closed. 229 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 2: Nobody could get them. 230 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 1: You're gonna meet Anthony sounds like he's going to kick 231 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: the shit out of me. 232 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:06,319 Speaker 2: Not unless you deserve it. 233 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:12,199 Speaker 5: And one of my very famous customers was lat Trapeze. 234 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:13,719 Speaker 2: Now you've probably never heard of that. 235 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 7: You kids. 236 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 9: Latra Pee is located at seventeen East twenty seventh Street 237 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 9: is a unique club open to freethinking adult couper. We 238 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 9: offer a relaxing, nope pressure environment, complete repeated swimming pools 239 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 9: and that same dyscopi. Latru Peeze may not be for everyone, 240 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 9: but you won't know until. 241 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 2: You try it. 242 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: In the nineteen eighties, Latrapeze was the mecca of sex 243 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 1: clubs in New York and my father was responsible for 244 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:45,319 Speaker 1: supplying them with their mattresses. 245 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:51,199 Speaker 5: Gross the Jersey Mob opened up latrap Pees. Well, they 246 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:53,959 Speaker 5: came to me and they say, come down to our place, 247 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 5: which was off Park Avenue and twenty something Street. 248 00:12:59,160 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 2: I walk in. 249 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 5: It's like what you would refer to maybe as madam 250 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 5: who is the manager there. 251 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 2: It was like a big empty almost warehouse. 252 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 5: But with lights, you know, he goes, well, we're going 253 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 5: to need carpeting, and we're going to need mattresses. I said, 254 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:20,680 Speaker 5: what kind of mattresses you're going to put in here? 255 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:22,559 Speaker 5: Ones I go on the floor. 256 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 2: That are waterproof or sperm proof. I said, what are 257 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 2: they going? They're going to fuck here? 258 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 5: She said to me here, I am listen to this 259 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 5: woman who was like twenty years older than me. Yeah, 260 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 5: this is going to be a fuck house. Most of 261 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 5: these girls were like cookers, and when it came time 262 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 5: to get paid, they told me, go fuck yourself, Anthony, 263 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 5: you better get a hold of your dad. 264 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 1: Who is Anthony's father, Anthony. 265 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 2: He was a tough guy. 266 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 1: I don't know if my father is telling the truth here, 267 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 1: but I am loving this story. So you told Anthony Jr. 268 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 1: That you have an issue that you're getting paid up. 269 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 5: And he said, don't worry about it. I'll hold my father. 270 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 5: He'll take care of it. His father sent some people 271 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 5: down there, which, from my understanding was that day two 272 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:18,959 Speaker 5: men walked into the Latrapeze and. 273 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 2: The guy who told me to fuss myself was there 274 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 2: with a couple of his buddies. 275 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 5: And the story, Anthony calls me my father just took 276 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 5: care of everything. He wants us to go down there 277 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 5: tomorrow to pick up our money. 278 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 2: So I meet with Anthony. 279 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 5: We go down there, and I told your mother, I'm 280 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 5: walking in now. That was I had the first cell phone, 281 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 5: which was a motor flip phone. I said, if I 282 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 5: don't call you back for bullshit in five minutes, donal 283 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 5: nine one wanted to tell him to come to that thinkers, 284 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 5: I'm getting locked in a freezer somewhere. 285 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 1: I have to pause here to say how insane it 286 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 1: is that my father would put my mother through this 287 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: kind of stress all because of, in his words, greed. 288 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 1: Plenty of people have legitimate furniture businesses that provide for 289 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 1: their family, but legitimate was never enough for my father. 290 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 1: He needed more, even if it put him, my mother, 291 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 1: and his kids in danger. 292 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 5: So we get there and the guy who refused to 293 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 5: pay me is now wearing big sunglasses. 294 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 2: Like he's a movie star. 295 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 5: The reason why I had the sunglasses while he took 296 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 5: off this, he says, you didn't have to call anybody. 297 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 2: Just look what they did to me. 298 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 5: You know, he had a big black eye and nose 299 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 5: was cut up here. They made sure I got my 300 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 5: money on top of that, they took an extra fifty 301 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 5: percent added to that. Okay, so now I had another 302 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 5: two thousand dollars which I had to give to Anthony 303 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 5: to give to those guys collection fee. 304 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 1: What did my mom say when you call her to 305 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 1: tell her? I mean, you're a guy who's in the 306 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 1: furniture business. You're telling her, if you don't hear from 307 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: me in five minutes, call the police. 308 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 2: She just went along with it. 309 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 5: And if I told this is what we got to 310 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 5: do with, this is what we got to do because 311 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 5: I got to collect that money. 312 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 2: We need it. 313 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: Hearing this really made me feel for my mother because 314 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: she clearly didn't have much of a choice in the matter. 315 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 1: She was a stay at home mom raising three kids 316 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 1: and relied on her husband to provide. But unfortunately that 317 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: husband was a crook. 318 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 2: She was trapped. 319 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 7: What was the downfall of Designers. 320 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 2: Gallery New York State Attorney General. 321 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 5: They had enough complaints where they needed to put a 322 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 5: stop to me legally, and that's how they do it. 323 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 5: They do it through their legal machine that they have 324 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 5: and trying to fight The Attorney General is trying to 325 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 5: fight New York State because their resources, to a. 326 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 2: Certain point are unlimited. 327 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:12,879 Speaker 5: But I found out that the Attorney General has a 328 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 5: budget and they got to make things pay. So the 329 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:18,680 Speaker 5: longer I can fuck them over and drag them out, 330 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 5: they're going to realize that they're not getting any bang 331 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:22,679 Speaker 5: for their dollar. 332 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 2: And that's what I did. 333 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:28,439 Speaker 5: So they were going to wear me down by me 334 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 5: having to pay for a lawyer to come and represent me. 335 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 5: But I never went to law school, and I became 336 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:34,879 Speaker 5: a lawyer overnight. 337 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:37,880 Speaker 2: And your mother can tell you that she saw how 338 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:38,439 Speaker 2: I worked. 339 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 5: And I went to court and I sat in on 340 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 5: different things in court, and I listened and I made 341 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 5: notes terms that I would use, and things that other 342 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 5: attorneys were doing to fuck other attorneys, and I picked 343 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 5: up on it, and I knew the way I was 344 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:58,479 Speaker 5: going to get around this was to drag this out 345 00:17:58,560 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 5: as long as I could. 346 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 1: For loopholes my father used against the Attorney General managed 347 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 1: to keep him out of jail, but eventually he was 348 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 1: forced to close up shop. 349 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 5: They put a order in on me that I can 350 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 5: never be in a furniture business again. 351 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:15,679 Speaker 1: They're even allowed to sit in a chair like you're 352 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: doing right now, only. 353 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:21,199 Speaker 2: If it's a toilet seat. Well, let's put it this 354 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 2: way somebody like yourself. I would never try to scam. 355 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:28,880 Speaker 5: And I never went after the poor people who didn't 356 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 5: have money. I went after the big companies. But it 357 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 5: wasn't something I intentionally did. I unfortunately got into a 358 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 5: situation where the money wasn't coming in and I couldn't 359 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 5: pay my bills, and they pulled the rug from underneath me. 360 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 2: It's as simple as that. 361 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:50,640 Speaker 5: It was a business decision by a lot of these companies, 362 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 5: and word got around, don't do business with manny. 363 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:56,919 Speaker 1: Here's how I know my father is a great con artist. 364 00:18:57,359 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 1: In the moment when he was saying all this, I 365 00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 1: was completely convinced by his justification for all the lies 366 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 1: and schemes. But hearing it back, it's clear he's simply 367 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 1: a man painting himself as the victim. He didn't unfortunately 368 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 1: get into a situation. He put himself there. It was 369 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: his choice to become a transshipper, to lie about furnishing embassies, 370 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 1: and to get involved with the mob. My father isn't 371 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 1: a man bound by some moral code. He's simply a 372 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 1: victim of his own hubris who assumed his house of 373 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: cards would never fall. 374 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 7: Would you have done anything different? 375 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 2: I would have. 376 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 5: Robbed the bank taken more money on a one shot deal. Yeah, 377 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:41,439 Speaker 5: but you know, everything was a learning game for me. 378 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 5: I could see what I could do and where I 379 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 5: wouldn't be noticed. 380 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 2: I learned that was part of my technique, which I 381 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 2: still use to this very day. 382 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 1: I knew my father went from the furniture business to payphones, 383 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 1: but I never really knew how it all started. I 384 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:01,120 Speaker 1: couldn't wait to get the full story on payphone Plus. 385 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:06,239 Speaker 5: Somehow I read about an article that payphones were going 386 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:09,880 Speaker 5: to be available on the retail market. This has got 387 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:15,360 Speaker 5: to be about maybe nineteen eighty nine. I threw ten 388 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:19,159 Speaker 5: thousand dollars into that business, and each phone at that 389 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 5: time cost me eleven hundred dollars, and I bought six phones, 390 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 5: now all my payphones. I bought the best payphone on 391 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 5: the market, and mine looked identical Toma Bell New York 392 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:34,920 Speaker 5: Telephone Company, because AT and T was manufacturing it for them, 393 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 5: So it was the perception people already knew this got 394 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 5: to be a good phone. 395 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: Just to give people an idea of the scope of 396 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 1: how large payphone Plus was, can you name different types 397 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 1: of businesses that you had accounts in. 398 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,680 Speaker 5: I had phones in the tri state area, which included 399 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 5: Long Island, five boroughs, Upper New Jersey, Westchester, Rockland County areas, 400 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 5: about two hundred phones total. I had phones in Macy's, 401 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 5: Jack Laane Sabarro's, Costco Gold Nugget Casino in Vegas. 402 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 2: I had phones everywhere. 403 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 1: Take me to acquiring an account and the perception you 404 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 1: would give off of who you were. 405 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 5: Okay, Well, first thing I went out and did was 406 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 5: I had a couple of shirts. 407 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:26,679 Speaker 2: Embroidered AT and T. 408 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 5: I have a truck outside that's painted the same color 409 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,160 Speaker 5: as an AT and T truck, and I. 410 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:36,360 Speaker 2: Have an AT and T logo and business cards. 411 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 5: In fact, I got a helmet for you kids, helmet 412 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 5: and I put an AT and T sticker on it. 413 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:45,119 Speaker 2: A few you remember that I do. 414 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you embroidered these AT and T shirts. Right, 415 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 1: Are you going into a place and telling people you 416 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 1: work for AT and T or No? 417 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 5: No, no, no, that's just smoking mirrors. They made the assumption. Hey, 418 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:00,880 Speaker 5: if I went to Night in the Game and bought 419 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 5: an Island New Jersey? Am I a goalie for the Islanders? 420 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:08,159 Speaker 5: Am I defenseman? Whatever you want to think is okay 421 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 5: with me as long as it doesn't come out of 422 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:10,680 Speaker 5: my mouth. 423 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: Aside from making people think he worked for AT and T. Apparently, 424 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,160 Speaker 1: another way my dad was able to grow his pay 425 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,880 Speaker 1: phone business was by paying out larger commissions than his competitors. 426 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:24,719 Speaker 5: In fact, I taught your cousin Mason, I started him 427 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,440 Speaker 5: in the phone business. So I took Mason with me 428 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,920 Speaker 5: and we went and there was a phone in front 429 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 5: of this store, and I told the owner, I'm going 430 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 5: to pay you a higher commission than you're getting. Now, well, 431 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:38,160 Speaker 5: we're putting our phone up here. 432 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 1: You offered to pay them a better commission. How could 433 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 1: you afford to do that? 434 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 5: Very simply knowing that in four or five months from 435 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 5: now they are going to cut my line the phone 436 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:54,680 Speaker 5: company for non payment. So you wouldn't pay the phone bill, 437 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 5: all right, that I'd have a six hundred dollars phone bill, 438 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 5: and they threatened to cut it off. But I was 439 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 5: opening up different accounts under different names all the time. 440 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,639 Speaker 1: Now they cut the phone line, that phone, now, what 441 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 1: happens to that at that establishment? 442 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 2: You just take it out. 443 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 5: What I did was I was two steps in front 444 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 5: of them all the time. I would call up the 445 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 5: phone company and I would tell the phone company. I'm 446 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:24,360 Speaker 5: now transferring this to this and this company. Okay, Now 447 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:28,679 Speaker 5: they changed the name from payphone plus XYZ, so a 448 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 5: new lease on life, a new lease on life, and 449 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 5: you continue. 450 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 2: To do that. 451 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 1: So why not just pay your bill? 452 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:39,159 Speaker 5: Because I was a greedy fuck and I wanted the 453 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:40,439 Speaker 5: money and I wanted it. 454 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 1: Now, I'm sure a lot of my dad's answers to 455 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 1: my questions have been filled with lies, but this time 456 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 1: I know he's telling the truth. Yes, he's a swindler, 457 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:54,160 Speaker 1: a schemer, a con man, but at his core, he's 458 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:58,120 Speaker 1: simply a greedy fuck. Do you ever remember going around 459 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 1: with me and sing a headset for a payphone? 460 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 2: Did I do that with you? Holy shit? 461 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 5: I must have been really fucking crazy. I don't remember 462 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 5: vandalyzing somebody's phone or anything. 463 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:15,359 Speaker 2: I really don't, and be a stupid thing for me 464 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:16,119 Speaker 2: to do that with you? 465 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 1: There, Yeah, well I remember that, so I went down. 466 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 5: I don't know what to tell Listen, if you remember that, 467 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:25,400 Speaker 5: and I don't take your word on it. 468 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 7: Yeah, it doesn't seem like it would be something that 469 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 7: you would do. 470 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 2: I probably do worse, but yeah, Okay. 471 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 1: Once we were on the topic of payphones. I had 472 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 1: to ask my father about a certain mobbed up strip 473 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 1: club in Queen's that was mentioned by his former employees 474 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:42,400 Speaker 1: Mark and Rich. 475 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 3: These are made mafia guys, and every time we would enter, 476 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,880 Speaker 3: Nanny was greeted warmly. He would hang out, they would 477 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 3: catch up, they would talk, they would joke. 478 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 2: It made me uncomfortable with to the owner. There was 479 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 2: like his owner guys. 480 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,120 Speaker 1: And he was real. He was just like Sketchy. Tell 481 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,880 Speaker 1: me about Wiggles. 482 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 5: Wiggles was a topless and bottomless strip club located on 483 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:07,639 Speaker 5: Queens Boulevard. 484 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 2: He has sixty third Drive and. 485 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 5: I always made sure I put a phone right next 486 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:13,880 Speaker 5: to the dressing. 487 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:14,679 Speaker 2: Room for the women. 488 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 1: Who owned it. 489 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 5: A fella I knew by the name of Vinnie. 490 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 2: Vinnie. What gumbats? 491 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 7: Could you say his name? 492 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,160 Speaker 2: Do we have to You're walking on dangerous ground here. 493 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 7: Any We're fine, We're fine. 494 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 2: What are in? We're fine, We're fine. 495 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:43,439 Speaker 5: If the only people that listened to this or the 496 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 5: FBI and the police. 497 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 1: All right, we'll leave it. We'll leave his name, we'll 498 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 1: call it, We'll call him Vinnie. My father was hesitant 499 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 1: for good reason. The Vinnie. I'm asking him to talk 500 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 1: about was the former head of the de Cavalcanti crime family. 501 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 7: So how'd you meet him? 502 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 5: Well, I was there one night and who comes in 503 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 5: but Vinnie. We started talking and he asked me what 504 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 5: am I doing here? I told I'm the guy who 505 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 5: does the telephone and he had a problem with his 506 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,919 Speaker 5: phones and I fixed it and we started chatting, and 507 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 5: what was. 508 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 7: This situation with his phone? 509 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 5: The guy who hooked it up before I ever looked 510 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 5: at it, didn't do such a good job. He was 511 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 5: very sloppy and wires were not properly punched on as 512 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 5: they used the term to the block. And I just 513 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,360 Speaker 5: redid it and things were working fine. 514 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,159 Speaker 1: When I spoke with Mark, he told me my father 515 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:41,919 Speaker 1: found a tap in Vinnie's phone. 516 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 3: He found taps and he was able to take those 517 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 3: out and also inform them that they were actually being 518 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 3: spied on, and so he's like a hero in this circle. 519 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 1: I had to ask my father if this actually happened, 520 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 1: Was there anything ever that you noticed in his phones, 521 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 1: like say, anything that was ever like bugged or you. 522 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,440 Speaker 5: Wouldn't see a bug because the bugs were not bugged 523 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 5: directly in the location, although sometimes that may have been 524 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 5: the preferred way to do it. But a few miles 525 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 5: away is where the Queen's district attorney had his offices, 526 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 5: and usually when they were bugging somebody, they would bug 527 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 5: it in that particular building, which was across the street 528 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 5: from the courthouses, and this way nobody would ever see 529 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:33,120 Speaker 5: what was going on, and nobody would be suspicious. But yeah, 530 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 5: there are ways to tell if a line is bugged. 531 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 5: You need sophisticated electronics to see what's going on. 532 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 1: So how would you know? Just curious, how would you 533 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:49,879 Speaker 1: know that that's where a district attorney would bug a phone? 534 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,120 Speaker 2: Like I watched a lot of movies. 535 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 1: Did you ever help Vinnie out? 536 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 2: Let's put it this way. 537 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,640 Speaker 5: If Annie would ask me to help him out, or 538 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 5: I would have no problem doing it. I don't think 539 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,200 Speaker 5: you'd want to be on his bad side. 540 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,679 Speaker 1: My father may be a great liar, but sometimes you 541 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 1: have to look at what he's not saying. He doesn't 542 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 1: say that he never found a bug in Vinnie's phone, 543 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: and he doesn't flat out say he never helped Vinnie out. 544 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 1: I kept pressing him for more information, but that was 545 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 1: all he was willing to give me. I'm trying to 546 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,479 Speaker 1: remember as much as I can from when I was 547 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: a kid. I'm only between probably like eight to eleven 548 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 1: at this time, while you were doing the payphone plus business. 549 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 1: What eventually happened where you eventually had to stop? 550 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 5: Well, I had to stop because AIGHTE and T sent 551 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 5: me a letter saying that I shouldn't be walking around 552 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 5: what a AIGHTE and T had on or a logo 553 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 5: since I'm not an employee, and I basically told the guy, 554 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 5: the vice president from AT and T who called I 555 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 5: told him to go fuck himself. 556 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 1: I guess word got around that you were wearing this 557 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: stuff or accounts were under the assumption that they were 558 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 1: dealing with AT and T rightly. 559 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 5: And then you know they were probably filming me and 560 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 5: taking pictures of me walking around like that. 561 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 1: So you get this vice president who called you up, 562 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 1: you tell him to go fuck himself, and what happens 563 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 1: after that? 564 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 5: I get served with papers to cease and desist otherwise 565 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 5: they'll take further action. And me, being the prick I 566 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 5: am and the hard ass, I told them I thought 567 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 5: I told you to go fuck yourself last time. 568 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 1: What happened next? 569 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 5: AT and T got an order from the federal judge 570 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 5: the US Marshal and some AT and T employees arrived 571 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 5: at the home at about five thirty am in the morning. 572 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 2: And demanded entrance, and I let them in. 573 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 5: They started gathering things along with their attorneys. They started 574 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 5: gathering a lot of my personal stuff and anything that 575 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:16,480 Speaker 5: might incriminate me, anything that might be evidence to show 576 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 5: that I was acting as an AT and T employee, 577 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 5: which meant anything with an eight and T logo. And 578 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 5: they basically ransacked my office and the downstairs area of 579 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 5: the house, taking items that would put me out of business, 580 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 5: wouldn't let me operate anymore. And they had a truck 581 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 5: pull up and they were loading up the truck. And 582 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 5: to say the least, it was very embarrassing for my family. 583 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 5: Neighbors saw something was going on. They had no idea 584 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 5: that thought I was probably the biggest drug dealer in 585 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 5: dick Shills. I felt shame and putting my family through this. 586 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:04,960 Speaker 5: I've got my son downstairs looking at what's going on 587 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,960 Speaker 5: with eyes that look like, hey, Dad, I want to 588 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 5: help you, I want to protect you. And my ex 589 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 5: wife went upstairs, and you know, it was not a 590 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 5: good situation to be in. I caused a lot of 591 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 5: heurd for everyone, and I don't want to use the 592 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 5: excuse that, look, I had to make a living, I 593 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 5: had to sustain them. And here you are a single 594 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 5: breadwinner in the family, living in Dick's Hills, and you're 595 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 5: trying to keep up with the Schwartzes and the Cohens, 596 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 5: and it's not really that easy. 597 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,320 Speaker 1: I think one of the most crucial elements to being 598 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 1: a great con artist is the ability to ignore all 599 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 1: the possible consequences of your actions. Most people can't do it, 600 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 1: but my father was the master. All the switching of 601 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 1: names on accounts and fake at and t gear. You 602 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 1: have to ignore it, the very real possibility that it 603 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 1: all might blow up in your face. Like my dad said, 604 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,720 Speaker 1: he's a greedy fuck. He wants the big house in 605 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 1: the nice neighborhood, the extravagant vocations to California and Europe. Frankly, 606 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 1: we all do. But most people think about the price 607 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,080 Speaker 1: they'd have to pay to get those things. My dad 608 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 1: is not one of those people. I do remember being 609 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:30,360 Speaker 1: in that situation and thinking that it's awkward that this 610 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,959 Speaker 1: is happening, that federal marshals are in the house. At 611 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 1: any point, did I know that we never talked about it. 612 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,479 Speaker 1: But why didn't we ever talk about, like, Hey, this 613 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 1: is a tough thing that I got involved in and 614 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 1: that I never should have done. You never really brought 615 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 1: up the fact that this was an embarrassing thing to 616 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 1: the family. I mean, you're saying it now, but not 617 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 1: back then. Why not? 618 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 5: Well, because it was a very hurtful time and which 619 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:02,040 Speaker 5: led up to other things later on in life shortly after, 620 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 5: and I wanted to forget about it as quickly as 621 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 5: I could put that behind me. Which it didn't go 622 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 5: behind me because I was dragged into court and I 623 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 5: told your mother, if you don't come to court and 624 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 5: fight this with me, they had your name on the papers. 625 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,480 Speaker 5: You got to be cleared. What happens to me doesn't matter, 626 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 5: but you have to be cleared. 627 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 1: So what ended up happening with AT and T? 628 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 7: What was the end result? 629 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 5: The end result with AT and T was that the 630 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 5: case was dismissed. Oh and the other thing that happened 631 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,720 Speaker 5: was the evidence that they took. They came back with 632 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 5: a story that the truck that they used was broken 633 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 5: into in the night and a lot of their evidence 634 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:57,760 Speaker 5: was taken out of the truck, which the judge said, 635 00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 5: who drove that truck and they said it was eighteen 636 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 5: T employees. Okay, so where was the truck? They said 637 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,680 Speaker 5: it was brought to a secure AT and T facility. 638 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 5: So what are you saying. We're saying that it was 639 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:10,760 Speaker 5: mister Veda that broke into the truck. 640 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 2: Do you believe something like that? 641 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 1: Can you believe something like that? 642 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 2: How the fuck am I going to break into a truck? 643 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 1: What do you believe happened to that evidence? 644 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:24,880 Speaker 2: How to funck? Should I know? 645 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,239 Speaker 1: Would you say you took it? 646 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,320 Speaker 2: Never? That's important? 647 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:33,719 Speaker 5: How the fuck am I going to get on a 648 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:38,400 Speaker 5: secured facility that had cameras all around? How could I 649 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,800 Speaker 5: have possibly have done it? I mean the truck left 650 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:43,480 Speaker 5: with us marshals. 651 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:48,720 Speaker 1: I guess the only way to get into a secured 652 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:53,359 Speaker 1: AT and T facility with maybe being looking like somebody. 653 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 7: Who worked for AT and T. 654 00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 1: Sure, do you think you would have been screwed if 655 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,000 Speaker 1: that eviden instant to go missing? 656 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:02,279 Speaker 2: Absolutely? 657 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,440 Speaker 5: Hey, on my deathbed, you can ask me the question 658 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,319 Speaker 5: and my memory may come back to me. 659 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,520 Speaker 1: What was I expecting my father say yes, I stole 660 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,319 Speaker 1: the evidence. If I learned anything from him, it. 661 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:21,760 Speaker 8: Was deny, deny, deny because you can't take back guilty. 662 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:26,840 Speaker 1: So you're stealing exams in college, you're moving money around. 663 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,640 Speaker 1: When it comes to the furniture business, you know, not 664 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:34,200 Speaker 1: even delivering furniture to people. Then you get involved in 665 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:39,319 Speaker 1: the phone business and you have AT and T logos 666 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:43,640 Speaker 1: on your sweatshirt, you're passing up business cards. At any 667 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,799 Speaker 1: point where you're like, why don't I just do a 668 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:50,000 Speaker 1: legit business, make this payphone business legit and see where 669 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:50,560 Speaker 1: that goes. 670 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:57,520 Speaker 5: Well, everything started out legit. It's just unforeseen reasons. I 671 00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,600 Speaker 5: may have made a left turn instead of a right turn. 672 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,600 Speaker 5: And you know, when money's good and it's coming in, 673 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:10,200 Speaker 5: you just don't want it to stop, you know. Yeah, 674 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:17,400 Speaker 5: I had money okay, until we were spending it, you know, 675 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:25,360 Speaker 5: quicker than we could make it. So that's just just 676 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,840 Speaker 5: the way. When it was poor planning on my side. 677 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:35,600 Speaker 5: Sure I made mistakes, but for some reason I was 678 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 5: able to rectify things and move on with my life. 679 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,359 Speaker 5: A lot of things happened that were worse than that, 680 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,000 Speaker 5: and you know, that's it. 681 00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,600 Speaker 1: So things are winding down at the house and we 682 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:56,480 Speaker 1: headed back outside, and then something unexpected happened. My father 683 00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,800 Speaker 1: out of the blue face times. My half sister Miriam, 684 00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,359 Speaker 1: who lives in Paris and who I've never met. 685 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,800 Speaker 2: That's a You're going to say hi to your sister. 686 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:07,200 Speaker 2: She wants to say hi to you. 687 00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:11,920 Speaker 5: Actually, hey, somebody wants to say hello to you. 688 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,480 Speaker 2: You look pretty. Don't bite your nails please, honey. Okay, 689 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:16,560 Speaker 2: I don't know. 690 00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,680 Speaker 1: Hey, how's it going. You know what I am? You 691 00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:20,480 Speaker 1: know who that is? 692 00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:24,160 Speaker 7: I am your half brother. 693 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:32,080 Speaker 1: Very nice, right, I heard a lot about you, and 694 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:34,840 Speaker 1: I know this is like the first time I'm talking 695 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,160 Speaker 1: to you, but I just wanted to say hi and 696 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,840 Speaker 1: introduce myself and then if you ever come to the 697 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,799 Speaker 1: United States, I'd be happy to, you know, meet up 698 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,279 Speaker 1: with you. And I have Instagram and stuff, and you know, 699 00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,640 Speaker 1: you could always message me on there and stuff if 700 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,680 Speaker 1: you want to know anything or anything like that. I'm 701 00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:55,120 Speaker 1: super you know you're you're my half sister, but you're 702 00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,080 Speaker 1: my sister. You know, I don't mean say half you're 703 00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:04,759 Speaker 1: my sister. And I think it's really cool nice. It 704 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:08,560 Speaker 1: was very nice meeting Miriam, and I do hope that 705 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:10,360 Speaker 1: I meet you one day in person. 706 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:13,719 Speaker 7: Thank you. 707 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:16,719 Speaker 2: Thanks for doing that. 708 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:18,640 Speaker 7: Yes, you're very sweet. 709 00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:21,959 Speaker 1: As I stood on the front lawn of my childhood home. 710 00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:26,120 Speaker 1: I couldn't believe I spoke to my sister, Miriam. Miriam 711 00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,040 Speaker 1: and I may not know each other, but even over FaceTime, 712 00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,239 Speaker 1: I could tell she had a million questions she wanted 713 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,160 Speaker 1: to ask me about our father, probably a lot of 714 00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,240 Speaker 1: the same questions I had when I was her age, 715 00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,200 Speaker 1: and we couldn't talk about any of it because Manny 716 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:43,799 Speaker 1: was hovering inches away over my shoulder. So, Miriam, if 717 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,200 Speaker 1: you're listening, I hope this podcast helps clear up a 718 00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:48,800 Speaker 1: lot of the things you want to know. 719 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:52,200 Speaker 2: I care for. 720 00:38:52,400 --> 00:39:03,760 Speaker 1: Thanks great. On the next episode of Number One Dad, 721 00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,600 Speaker 1: I am on my way to New York City to 722 00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:11,600 Speaker 1: Madison Square Garden. I'm gonna be seeing a Rangers game 723 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:16,480 Speaker 1: with my dad. I can't believe I just said that 724 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,920 Speaker 1: we have actual access. We don't need to jump lines, 725 00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:24,959 Speaker 1: jump ropes. Everything's good. We got legitimate tickets with fun. 726 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's no phone when you come in legally. 727 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,919 Speaker 1: Number One Dad is a production of Radio Point, Big 728 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:46,239 Speaker 1: Money Players Network and iHeart Podcasts, created and hosted by 729 00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:51,400 Speaker 1: Gary Veeter. Executive producers are Gary Veeter, Adam Lowett, Alex Bach, 730 00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:56,840 Speaker 1: Daniel Powell, Houston Snyder Kenneth Slotnik and Brian Stern. Written 731 00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:00,480 Speaker 1: by Gary Veeter and Adam Lowett, Produced by Bernie Minsky. 732 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:04,080 Speaker 1: Co producer is Taylor Kowalski, Edited and mixed by Ian 733 00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:08,520 Speaker 1: Sorrentino at Little Bear Audio. Recording Engineer is kat Iosa. 734 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:13,040 Speaker 1: Original music by Andrew Gross. Special thanks to Charlotte DeAnda. 735 00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:17,399 Speaker 1: Jonathan karsh Is creative consultant. Executive producers for Big Money 736 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:21,440 Speaker 1: Players Network and iHeart Podcasts are Will Farrell, Hans Sonni 737 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:26,200 Speaker 1: and Olivia Aguilar. Sound services were provided by Great City Posts.