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Speaker 1: San Antonio District judge resigns after a federal corruption probe.

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Speaker 2: A former San Antonio, Texas judge goes to federal prison

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Speaker 2: after pleading guilty to accepting bribes in exchange for rigging

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Speaker 2: cases in his court. Angus McGuinty committed the ultimate judicial sin.

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Speaker 2: Why did you do it?

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Speaker 3: I did it because I was foolish.

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Speaker 2: Listen to how to Bribe a Judge on Revolver podcast

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Speaker 4: you're your hosts, John Annick and Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 5: You know, it's amazing to think we did this show

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Speaker 5: for one hundred and thirty some odd episodes and I

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Speaker 5: couldn't see your beautiful face. And now every Monday morning,

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Speaker 5: whether you like it or not, you gotta look at

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Speaker 5: my mug. It is Monday, December fourth, twenty seventeen. Happy birthday,

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Speaker 5: Max Holloway. It's episode one thirty four of the Anak

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Speaker 5: and Florian podcast. So it's good to see a kid.

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Speaker 5: So you've been did you go? So you went Boston

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Speaker 5: for Thanksgiving? Then you go back to LA and then

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Speaker 5: now back east to South Carolina for the baby shower.

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Speaker 3: Do I have that right?

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Speaker 1: Yes, dude, yeah, baby shower. I'm swimming in baby clothes

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Speaker 1: right now.

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Speaker 3: It's great. Is your mom down in South Carolina for this?

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Speaker 1: No, she wasn't able to make it. So we kind

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Speaker 1: of did like a little mini baby shower in Boston

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Speaker 1: while I was there for Thanksgiving? Didn't they one? And

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Speaker 1: no one cares?

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Speaker 5: Well no, because my inner monologue is, I mean, what

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Speaker 5: the fuck is this kid flying back east for a

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Speaker 3: You know? But I got like I did not I

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Speaker 3: actually I did not go.

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Speaker 5: But no, it's your first kid, I understand, and a

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Speaker 5: good opportunity to see everyone.

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Speaker 3: So enough about that.

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Speaker 5: But I called you this morning because part of the

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Speaker 5: reason we started this podcast was that if Francis and

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Speaker 5: Ghanu did what he did Saturday night, we instead of

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Speaker 5: just texting or that we could talk about this in

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Speaker 5: a more public forum or have an outlet to talk

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Speaker 5: about what Francis, h Gadu and so many other fighters

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Speaker 5: did over the weekend. So most of today, of course,

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Speaker 5: is going to be a UFC two eighteen recap. We

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Speaker 5: will talk to two thousand and eight Olympic gold medalist

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Speaker 5: Henry Shudo after his big win over Sergio Pettis. Some

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Speaker 5: interesting things going on there, crowd giving him a hard time,

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Speaker 5: A lot of layers to that. So we are gon,

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Speaker 5: We're gonna talk to Henry. We'll also get you some

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Speaker 5: Ken Flow picks on UFC Fresno coming up this weekend,

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Speaker 5: and we'll get to Ray long ago At a lot

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Speaker 5: of stuff to get to and we're not gonna waste

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Speaker 5: any more time. So Ben, if you would, let's give

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Speaker 5: me some headlines, headlines.

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Speaker 4: It's time for headlines.

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Speaker 6: I have some very urgent and important breaking new.

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Speaker 4: Headlines on the and Kenny Surians podcast.

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Speaker 5: All right, I can't wait to let it rip today. Flow,

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Speaker 5: What do you think we're leading with? Is the question?

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Speaker 5: You think we're leading with Max Holloway today or do

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Speaker 5: you think we're leading with the Predator Francis and Ghana?

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Speaker 3: I would say probably in Ghanu. I'm still scared.

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Speaker 1: I'm still rightened by that knockout, which is good because

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Speaker 1: now you can see me. When he did the knockout,

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Speaker 1: he was Honestly, that was one of the scariest moments

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Speaker 5: I think I texted you and I'm not saying this

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Speaker 5: to be funny. Francis is gonna is gonna kill someone ken,

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Speaker 5: you know, like I'm telling you one of those follow

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Speaker 5: up shots gonna kill somebody, you know what, an absolute freak.

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Speaker 5: And I'm glad I can just bounce stuff off of

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Speaker 5: questions and I don't know how best to put the

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Speaker 5: the actual knockout in historical context. If you want to

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Speaker 5: with you. Joe Rogan says this is the scariest fighter

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Speaker 5: and all the big ones. This guy is a total freak.

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Speaker 5: And it's it's the work ethic, it's the natural gifts,

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Speaker 5: it's settling to see Francis do that to another human being.

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Speaker 5: So how do you quantify how powerful Francis and Ghano

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Speaker 5: Who was homeless on the streets of Paris five or

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Speaker 3: Am I crazy?

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you, man, this is a very scary fighter.

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Speaker 1: A guy who really was probably born to do this.

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Speaker 1: You look at his physicality, and you look at the

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Speaker 1: You're standing up with these guys with four ounce gloves.

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Speaker 1: Anything can happen. And the fact that he's landing first

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Speaker 1: So I think this is what has allowed Francis and

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Speaker 5: But the question beckons, if you are Steep, a miat chitch,

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Speaker 1: And imagine, again, as big as Anthony Johnson is, probably

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Speaker 1: He's he's a special fighter, There's no doubt about it.

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Speaker 5: The strength and conditioning coach Director of Strength and Conditioning

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Speaker 3: Right, I mean that just I started, that just started.

434
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Speaker 1: Imagine in a year, two years, I mean he could

435
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Speaker 1: be a guy who really holds onto that belt for

436
00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:06,720
Speaker 1: a very.

437
00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:07,879
Speaker 3: Long time, you know.

438
00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:09,919
Speaker 5: I mean NFL teams will be lucky to have a

439
00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:11,959
Speaker 5: guy like Bo Sandoval and Ghanu. Obviously there are other

440
00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,480
Speaker 5: fighters haven't done him, several that use it regularly, but

441
00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:18,440
Speaker 5: that's in ghan who's home fucking gym man. It's unbelievable,

442
00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:21,440
Speaker 5: all right. So that closes the book on Francis and Ghano.

443
00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:22,800
Speaker 5: I was going to see if we could actually do

444
00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:27,040
Speaker 5: a full hour on the guy. Max blessed Holloway putting

445
00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:31,080
Speaker 5: a huge capstone on this title reign. With the back

446
00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:33,359
Speaker 5: to back wins over Jose Aldo. The winning streak is

447
00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:38,199
Speaker 5: now twelve. Nine of those are finishes, and I just

448
00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,920
Speaker 5: felt like Jose I felt good about him. I felt

449
00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:43,399
Speaker 5: like he was in shape. I wasn't worried about the scale.

450
00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:45,240
Speaker 5: I think he was playing games a little.

451
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Speaker 3: Bit, Kenny.

452
00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:50,680
Speaker 5: I think twice now, Max Holloway has beaten a very game,

453
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Speaker 5: very in shape, close to one hundred percent prime Jose Aldo.

454
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Speaker 3: Is that fair?

455
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Speaker 1: I think so, I really do. And you look at

456
00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:04,040
Speaker 1: Jose he was doing great. Obviously, once again, it was

457
00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,480
Speaker 1: the same thing it was. It was kind of the

458
00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:11,080
Speaker 1: exact same fight replayed, and it was Jose Aldo who

459
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Speaker 1: is one hundred meter sprinter, and Max Hollowy was able

460
00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:18,040
Speaker 1: to fool him into saying, you know, yeah, we're gonna

461
00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:19,960
Speaker 1: do that one hundred meters race. But then it became

462
00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:22,840
Speaker 1: four hundred meters and eight hundred meters and Jose Aldo

463
00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:24,879
Speaker 1: just could not keep up that pace.

464
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Speaker 3: Max Holloway did a brilliant job of just.

465
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Speaker 1: Steadily increasing the speed and Jose thought that he needed

466
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Speaker 1: to stay with him. Jose Aldo didn't try to reset,

467
00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:37,480
Speaker 1: he didn't use his forwork to circle away. He got

468
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Speaker 1: caught brawling in that last round against Holloway, and that's

469
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Speaker 1: exactly what Halloway wanted.

470
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Speaker 3: Halloway knew that he could.

471
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Speaker 1: He could withstand the punches, he could withstand the pressure,

472
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Speaker 1: he could withstand the pace, and he knew that there

473
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Speaker 1: was gonna to become a time where Aldo wasn't gonna

474
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Speaker 1: be able to do that. And we've seen Aldo really

475
00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:55,399
Speaker 1: thrive against guys who try to take him down. I

476
00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:57,760
Speaker 1: think the reason is it gives him that ability to

477
00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:02,000
Speaker 1: really rest and relax and reset. But if you're striking

478
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Speaker 1: with it consistently and you're keeping that fast pace, I

479
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:06,720
Speaker 1: don't think he can do it. A lot of guys

480
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,480
Speaker 1: that are fast twitch that try to keep a pace

481
00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:11,480
Speaker 1: with a guy like a Max Holloway, who's kind of

482
00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:16,679
Speaker 1: that marathon style runner, you just can't do it. Although

483
00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:21,720
Speaker 1: isn't able to have that endurance. And again for a

484
00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:23,720
Speaker 1: lot of people saying, oh, he needs to work on

485
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,480
Speaker 1: his conditioning, listen, he's been fighting for a very long time.

486
00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:28,480
Speaker 1: He was a champion for a long time. He's gone

487
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Speaker 1: five hard rounds before. Does anybody remember that that rematch

488
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:32,639
Speaker 1: against Chad Mendes.

489
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Speaker 3: How crazy that fight was Now, I.

490
00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,000
Speaker 5: Think it's the greatest fight in UFU history, one of.

491
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Speaker 3: The best, one of the best fights.

492
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Speaker 1: Man. I was watching that on my honeymoon I was like, yeah,

493
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Speaker 1: hold on, I just got to see the rest of

494
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Speaker 1: this fight.

495
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,080
Speaker 3: It was insane and he went five hard rounds.

496
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Speaker 1: Now, the question is, why isn't Aldo able to do

497
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,920
Speaker 1: that now? Was it because now he's dealing with more

498
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:51,760
Speaker 1: you know what? He was dealing more with a grappling

499
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 1: style in Chad Mendez and a lot of guys thought

500
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:56,960
Speaker 1: that the way to beat Aldo was to take him down.

501
00:22:57,760 --> 00:22:59,679
Speaker 1: Or is it now that people are figuring out you

502
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:03,239
Speaker 1: got to keep that high, fast pace. Or should some

503
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 1: credit go to Connor McGregor for knocking him out cold,

504
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 1: taking away his confidence and perhaps taking away his chin.

505
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,679
Speaker 5: I think there's something there, But I still believe that

506
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 5: Jose Aldo and this performance in particularly had some merit.

507
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 5: I mean, Max was limping out of the cage, he

508
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 5: did go to the leg kick. I guess I just

509
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,199
Speaker 5: feel like, Kenny, if I'm a Jose Aldo fan, I

510
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 5: can defend this performance and this approach, even because I

511
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,440
Speaker 5: feel like he felt like the only way I feel

512
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,120
Speaker 5: like inside he's thinking, the only way I'm gonna beat

513
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 5: Max is if I go for it, and I have

514
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,359
Speaker 5: enough confidence in my power that if I can land

515
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 5: one upstairs and follow up and try to finish this guy.

516
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 5: I don't think he expected he was going to be

517
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 5: able to beat Max over twenty five minutes, or even

518
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,240
Speaker 5: last twenty five minutes if he didn't finish Holloway. So

519
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:48,440
Speaker 5: I felt like it was just sort of a balls

520
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,480
Speaker 5: to the wall approach there in that third round. And

521
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 5: certainly I can understand why you and others would maybe

522
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:53,879
Speaker 5: criticize it.

523
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 3: I guess I just feel like he felt like he

524
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:57,159
Speaker 3: was up against it like Max.

525
00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 5: Just I don't know, man, I just never felt like

526
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 5: ACTS was in any any jeopardy of losing either fight,

527
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,400
Speaker 5: even though Jose got off early in the first fight

528
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,680
Speaker 5: and established the leg kicks in the second fight.

529
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 3: Listen, I think you're right.

530
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 1: But again, although he didn't have to just sit there

531
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 1: and just start trading and throw bombs with someone like

532
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 1: Max Holloway.

533
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,720
Speaker 3: But I think you're absolutely right. I think that's great analysis.

534
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 1: Actually is the fact that for Aldo, who took this

535
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 1: fight on short notice, he probably knew I can't go

536
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,680
Speaker 1: five hard rounds with someone like Halloway. Hallowey doesn't get tired.

537
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 1: Hallowey can do ten round He's like that Tony Furkson

538
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,440
Speaker 1: type guy. As you and Joe, you know, so astutely

539
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,439
Speaker 1: put it that you can go forever and he's not

540
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 1: gonna quit, He's not gonna slow down. In fact, a

541
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,440
Speaker 1: lot in a lot of ways, those guys just get

542
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 1: stronger as the rounds go on. So I think you're right.

543
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,919
Speaker 1: I think Aldo probably felt like he probably had to

544
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:47,479
Speaker 1: go for it. The only way he was gonna win

545
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 1: was get the finish. But how about this, Why not

546
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 1: go for a takedown? I think maybe he shot or

547
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:56,120
Speaker 1: attempted at once to try to clinch with with Halloway.

548
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 1: Why not try to put Halloway on his back, especially

549
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,920
Speaker 1: early on in the fight, to slow him down. But again,

550
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,640
Speaker 1: Holloway is a brilliant fighter. He's very very good, he's

551
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 1: very very smart. I think this is a guy who

552
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,440
Speaker 1: could hold onto that belt for a very long time.

553
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 1: And again, as much as I'm a huge Frankie fan,

554
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 1: I don't know Frankie's gonna be able.

555
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 3: To pull that off.

556
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,920
Speaker 1: I think he brings together obviously brings a style that's

557
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 1: very different than someone like at Jose Aldo, But how

558
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,399
Speaker 1: do you deal with that reach man? Holloway is just

559
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 1: too big too. Rangy has an amazing chin, amazing conditioning.

560
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,680
Speaker 1: He's not too shabby on the ground either. You saw

561
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 1: what happened when Aldo tried to go to the ground

562
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:39,199
Speaker 1: with him and when he tried to.

563
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 3: Play off his back. Halloway is just all over him.

564
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:41,879
Speaker 7: Man.

565
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 1: This is a very special fighter that I remember very

566
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 1: well when I saw him at twenty two years old,

567
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,359
Speaker 1: he was waiting in line away in. I went up

568
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,160
Speaker 1: to him, I said, you're gonna be a champion one day,

569
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,919
Speaker 1: and he appreciated the comment. And I'm not sure if

570
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 1: he believed it himself, but boy, is he coming to

571
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 1: his own as a fighter.

572
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:01,360
Speaker 5: And he doesn't necessarily wow you, right, I mean, it's not,

573
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,439
Speaker 5: it's just he is just so good and pretty clean

574
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,360
Speaker 5: and uh go ahead, kid.

575
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 3: No exactly.

576
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, it's that guy who does

577
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,120
Speaker 1: all the little things, well, all the fundamentals.

578
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 3: Everything he just does perfectly.

579
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 1: It's nothing spectacular with this amazing power, amazing speed or

580
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 1: you know, this crazy submission ability. It's just this is

581
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 1: a guy who's been doing the fundamentals since he was

582
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 1: a kid. Obviously a guy who's involved in a lot

583
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 1: of fights, I'm sure in Hawaii. Uh so, Bill bleeds

584
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 1: in himself and had that experience, but a guy who

585
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 1: has been brought.

586
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,920
Speaker 3: Up very well and trained very well, yep.

587
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 5: And they just have a great, great system in place

588
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 5: and a new gym. And Yancy Mandares tells me the

589
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 5: coaches are trying to get better, right, It's not just

590
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 5: the fighters, it's just an amazing family. And Yancey also

591
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 5: said too, you know, all these guys trying to get

592
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 5: their suits tailored, we're Taylor making champions, you know. I mean,

593
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 5: Yancey is no fucking joke. And I can't wait to

594
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 5: get to him. As far as Max Holloway is concerned. Kenny,

595
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 5: we got to call UFC one forty three. Remember that

596
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,439
Speaker 5: movie theater pay per view we did, right? That was

597
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 5: his UFC debut. He was twenty years old. It was

598
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 5: that mounted trianglarm bar. I think the guest Fourier pulled

599
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 5: off hasn't been finished since that's the only time he

600
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 5: has been finished. I believe in his UFC career, I

601
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,919
Speaker 5: don't believe he's ever been knocked out as a professional.

602
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,439
Speaker 5: So he's now nineteen and three. He's won twelve fights

603
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 5: in a row. It's one of seven double digit winning

604
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,640
Speaker 5: streaks in UFC history, and Remarkably a lot of these

605
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 5: Kenny are active right now, double digit active winning streaks

606
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:30,120
Speaker 5: in the UFC, Max Holloway, Tony Ferguson, George Saint Pierre,

607
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 5: and Demetrius Johnson. John Jones's streak, I guess technically is

608
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 5: no longer active with at least one no contest in there.

609
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 5: But it's amazing that of those seven double digit winning

610
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:46,120
Speaker 5: streaks in this era of parody, in a lot of respects, right,

611
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 5: and how closely matched all these guys are. That five

612
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 5: of those seven winning streaks are active, and Max Holloway's

613
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 5: got one of them. And so as we spend it forward,

614
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 5: ken flow for Max gonna be tough for Frank Edgar,

615
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 5: perhaps he will be next. Of course, we've got T

616
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 5: City Brian Ortega taking on Cub Swanson this weekend in

617
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 5: a main event. The timing is nice for Cub and

618
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 5: Tcity here. If they could get a win and a finish,

619
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 5: maybe they could cut the line. Swanson's already had a

620
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 5: shot at Max Holloway, But you think it'll be Franky

621
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 5: Edgar next for Max at one hundred and forty five

622
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 5: pounds In my opinion.

623
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, without a doubt.

624
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 1: Freaky Edgar deserves it most of anyone out there right now.

625
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 1: I think it's an interesting style matchup, but again, I

626
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: think Holloway is a special fighter.

627
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 3: Man.

628
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 1: I'll probably be releasing my Power for Power rankings again

629
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 1: this week, and woah, I'm putting Holloway.

630
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 3: I'm putting Holloway up.

631
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 6: Man.

632
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 5: Well, and I'll tell you I said going in, and

633
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 5: I'm doing a lot of radio interviews leading up. I

634
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 5: don't know if I said it here on the famed

635
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 5: Anakin Florian podcast foxsports dot Com, but that he might

636
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 5: be the number one pound for pound fighter in the

637
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 5: world right now, and it's just because DJ's there and

638
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 5: DJ has eleven title defenses compared to one for Max Holloway.

639
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 3: But look what this guy's done.

640
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: And again, look at his fight against Connor McGregor back

641
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 1: when he lost, and again Connor McGregor, of course, he

642
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: tore his ACL during that fight. But you think you

643
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 1: think Max Holloway is the same fighter that he was

644
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: when he fought Connor McGregor way back when he's he's

645
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 1: improved leaps and bounds since then. He's a completely different

646
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 1: guy physically, mentally, spiritually. So yeah, I think this is

647
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: a rematch that we may see. I think it has legs.

648
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: And these guys have gone back and forth, of course

649
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,239
Speaker 1: a little bit on Twitter, uh, talking trash a little bit,

650
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: which I like, and uh, don't be surprised if we

651
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Speaker 1: see this rematch. I think that might be one of

652
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Speaker 1: the few fights that McGregor may cut down to one

653
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Speaker 1: forty five for if it becomes really really big. And

654
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Speaker 1: you know what, Halloway would probably chase him at one

655
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Speaker 1: fifty five, you know, So, I.

656
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Speaker 5: Mean, do I need to put a tattoo on Connor

657
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 5: McGregor never weighing one hundred and forty five pounds as

658
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Speaker 5: long as he lives?

659
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Speaker 3: Is that what I have to do? Right now? Listen,

660
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Speaker 3: if there's enough money, he'll do it. Why not? All right,

661
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Speaker 3: we got it? I mean, I just don't see it flow.

662
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Speaker 5: I love you, but I mean it's I I almost

663
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Speaker 5: give it the same odds of you cutting down to

664
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Speaker 5: that weight again, right Like, I feel like I feel

665
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Speaker 5: like it was some similar pain for him as it

666
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 5: was for you. I know you're a bigger man than

667
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 5: he is, but I don't know, man, I just I

668
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Speaker 5: see that rematch happening at one fifty five, and in

669
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Speaker 5: terms of Holloway in the historical context, Kenny, he's just

670
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Speaker 5: getting going right, so you know, I mean, maybe he's

671
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Speaker 5: the greatest featherweight of all time. It's harder to make

672
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Speaker 5: a case for Aldo with the three losses now to

673
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Speaker 5: Max and Jose, obviously, but those who suggest that Max

674
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Speaker 5: is not the best featherweight of all time and that

675
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Speaker 5: Connor McGregor is that guy, I'm not gonna argue with you.

676
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 5: I think Connor has a case, but I can make

677
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Speaker 5: a stronger case for Holloway, largely rooted in the fact

678
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Speaker 5: that he has more than twice as many UFC featherweight

679
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Speaker 5: fights than Connor McGregor does, and I believe he has

680
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,719
Speaker 5: more than twice as many featherweight wins as Connor McGregor

681
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Speaker 5: as well. So also Kenny in sort of putting a

682
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Speaker 5: bow on Holloway, and I got a couple more things

683
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Speaker 5: on Jose Aldo. I asked Max on Tuesday, can you

684
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Speaker 5: guarantee me that you'll compete at one hundred and fifty

685
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 5: five pounds, you know, before your UFC career is said

686
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 5: and done, And he says, I can guarantee you I

687
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 5: will compete at one hundred and eighty five pounds before

688
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 5: my career is said and done. Max said he wouldn't

689
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Speaker 5: even tell me what he walked into the octagon at

690
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 5: against Joseiuta for the first meeting in terms of how

691
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 5: much he weighed, because he said, I wouldn't believe it.

692
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Speaker 3: Wow, so interesting.

693
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Speaker 5: He's he's cannonball coming for Ken Floan Diego Sanchez is

694
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 5: the only two fighters in UTXA history, but he wants

695
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 5: to be a champion in four.

696
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,719
Speaker 3: Of them and fuck if I'm gonna put a pass. Well,

697
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 3: this is what I'm saying, man, And this could be

698
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 3: a guy.

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Speaker 1: Again, Let's say he gets to that BJ Penn status,

700
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Speaker 1: which he could totally surpass.

701
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 3: Now you're talking about a huge fight.

702
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 1: That's a huge money fight if he gets to that

703
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 1: BJ Penn status, and BJ's a guy that has pulled in,

704
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 1: you know, in that level of a million pay.

705
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 3: Per views himself in some of his fights.

706
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 1: Again, now Connor McGregor is going to be seeing dollar

707
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,479
Speaker 1: sign which would be that much more tyson for him

708
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Speaker 1: to go out there not only prove that he's better

709
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Speaker 1: than Max Holloway, but make a lot of money at

710
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Speaker 1: the same time.

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Speaker 3: Who knows.

712
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: Again, it's still early, So again, both these guys still

713
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: pretty young.

714
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 3: We could see it all right.

715
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 5: One final thing on Jose Aldo. Joe Rogan questioned why

716
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 5: they didn't work on the swelling after round one, and

717
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 5: he was accurate and I think appropriate to do so.

718
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 5: I spoke with a veteran cutman earlier today and he says,

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00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 5: a lot of these corners, Kenny, whether it's an experienced

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Speaker 5: corner like Andre Petronius or somebody who maybe doesn't have

721
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 5: the repetitions or the experience, a lot of these guys

722
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Speaker 5: sort of shuck the cut men off when they say

723
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Speaker 5: to you want me to go in and address the swelling.

724
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 5: Certainly for a cut they're more liberal in opening that door. Now,

725
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 5: it's my understanding that if you have a cutman and

726
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 5: a corner man in the octagon, right, you can only

727
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 5: have two people in the octagon at one point in time.

728
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 5: But of course your cornerman can stand behind you and

729
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 5: offer essentially the same advice. You can flip the stool

730
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 5: around if you really want to face that other guy.

731
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Speaker 5: But it seems to me like the cutman in this

732
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Speaker 5: situation was asking to go in there and treat the swelling,

733
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Speaker 5: and the corner did not afford him the opportunity to

734
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Speaker 5: do and huge mistake. As far as I'm concerned, I

735
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Speaker 5: don't think it would have mattered necessarily, especially given the

736
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Speaker 5: way Auto seem to approach the end of this fight.

737
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Speaker 5: But any thoughts on that as sort of a trend

738
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Speaker 5: of these core men not allowing the cupman to get

739
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Speaker 5: in there and do his job when it comes to

740
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Speaker 5: the swelling.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I could sum it up with one word stupid.

742
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 1: I mean, how do you not let a cup man

743
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: in there.

744
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 3: To help your fighter?

745
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: And a lot of it's this kind of machismo or

746
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,719
Speaker 1: you know, no, let's get guys in there that are

747
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: his teammates, that are gonna make them feel more comfortable.

748
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 3: You got to address the safety of the fighter.

749
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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if the guy's a tough guy like

750
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: a Michael Bisping or whatever it is. Take care of

751
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: your fighter, allow him to be able to fight longer,

752
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 1: allow him to be safer in there. And I think

753
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: a lot of that that gets trumped by Oh no,

754
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: let me give him the knowledge to go out there

755
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 1: and get the win, or let me give him the motivation.

756
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 1: Let's get them guys that he's familiar with in the

757
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 1: octagon and It's just it's a stupid move, period, all.

758
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Speaker 5: Right, Eddie Alvarez justin Gaichi. So much hype for this fight.

759
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 5: I couldn't even believe it was the second fight on

760
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 5: pay per view. It's like, oh, we're here already, and

761
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 5: lived up to the hype, maybe surpassed it in the

762
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Speaker 5: eyes of a lot of people. I thought there was

763
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 5: a lot of good technique in there, even though it

764
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 5: sort of played out as a brawl at times. Your

765
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 5: thoughts on Alvarez Gaichi and the underground king against the

766
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 5: betting odds thirty fifth professional fight going in there and

767
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 5: bouncing mister Gaichee there from the ranks of the unpeat.

768
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,399
Speaker 1: Well, you know, it seems like the moment you see

769
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: Eddie Alvarez compete and maybe he doesn't get the result

770
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: he wants, or if he loses by a finish or whatever,

771
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 1: you have this tendency of or, I should say, let

772
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 1: me speak for myself. I have this tendency of going, well,

773
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:42,720
Speaker 1: you know what that fighter might be done.

774
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 3: I don't know.

775
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: He's been fighting for a very long time. He's had

776
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 1: war after war, he's fought all over the world. A

777
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 1: little bit later in his career of course he's a

778
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 1: little bit older.

779
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 3: Now Eddie's probably done.

780
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 1: And that's what I thought, how mistaken I was. I mean,

781
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 1: went out there against a guy like Justin Gatze. She

782
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: a guy who thrives in that kind of environment, and

783
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 1: we forgot that Eddie Alvarez does as well, I think,

784
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: and that his chin is better than we thought. The

785
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 1: fact that he is able to withstand those body shots,

786
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: those those shots of the head.

787
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:19,320
Speaker 3: You know, the swelling in the mouth. I mean, he's unbelievable.

788
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 1: He he's a rocky type figure in mixed martial arts,

789
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 1: a lot like a FRANKI. Edgar and I'm throwing a

790
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 1: lot of Frank Edgar references today, but.

791
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 3: You know, he's he's amazing, man, He's amazing.

792
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: And the fact that he did that, he did this

793
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 1: against the much larger Justin Gaechee really against, solidifies Eddie

794
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: Alvarez as one of those legendary fighters in this sport.

795
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: And it's an absolute honor and pleasure to watch him

796
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: compete in the UFC after everything that he's dealt with.

797
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 1: People forget that this guy probably missed out on what

798
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 1: like almost two years of not being able to compete

799
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 1: in the octagon. Because of contract issues and all that stuff,

800
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: and the fact that we have him. Man, he's an

801
00:35:56,719 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: absolute treasure what a fighter gets. The finish over Justin

802
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:05,800
Speaker 1: Gaigie hitting that need that just collapsed them was insane

803
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: and another one of these Fight of the Year candidates,

804
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: as we knew it would be, but the fact that

805
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,800
Speaker 1: it went out there and delivered it just shows these

806
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 1: both of these guys, Justin Gage and Eddie Alvarez. You know,

807
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 1: I can watch them fight every single time out. It

808
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,839
Speaker 1: doesn't matter who they're fighting. You can bet on one thing,

809
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 1: Eddie Alvarez and Justin Gaegee is going to deliver excitement, aggression,

810
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 1: and they're going to try to finish that fight right

811
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:30,760
Speaker 1: as soon as that bell starts.

812
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 3: So just another amazing fight that truly delivered.

813
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,760
Speaker 5: And in terms of the body of work, Alvarez certainly

814
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,479
Speaker 5: has an argument as the greatest lightweight fighter in mixed

815
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,839
Speaker 5: martial art history. But in terms of this thirty five

816
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 5: year old version, and you talked about some of the

817
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 5: things that I was going to hit on the chin,

818
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 5: like how much credit does Tyler Minton the Melee Way deserve, right,

819
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 5: because Eddie is saying to me before the fight He's like,

820
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 5: I'm a unique athlete, right, I've never had any enhancement

821
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 5: my entire career. And when he says it to you,

822
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 5: I mean, you know it's fact, but he's never felt better.

823
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 5: And I think a lot of that has to do

824
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 5: with nutrition. I mean, how much does the fact that

825
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 5: this was the easiest cut of his career. I mean,

826
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 5: if you saw on Instagram he was trying to run

827
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 5: the pounds off and not even invoke the sauna or

828
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,720
Speaker 5: the hot tub, right, how much credit does the nutritionists deserve,

829
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 5: Because what Tyler always says is this is a weight

830
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 5: cutting sport, and a big part of my job is

831
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 5: not just getting him to fifty six, it's making sure

832
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 5: that he can perform optimally twenty hours later. And it

833
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 5: seems to me like that was sort of a big

834
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 5: cornerstone to what led to Alvarez's success this weekend.

835
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: It's the science of getting your weight down in the

836
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: proper time, and then, like you said, it's a matter

837
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: of eating the right foods, of preparing your body for

838
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: competition the next day, and also making sure you're eating

839
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: good food throughout your training camp, keeping your mind and

840
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,879
Speaker 1: body strong so you can perform at a very high level,

841
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: and a lot of these fighters, you know, we even

842
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 1: myself included. The knowledge out there for nutrition is so

843
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 1: much better than it was, and it continues to get better.

844
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 1: I think someone said, like I think around five years

845
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:10,760
Speaker 1: ago they said, we know about as much as nutrition

846
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: as we did in surgery in like the nineteen twenties.

847
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: So we still don't know a whole lot about it,

848
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: but these guys are getting better and better and better,

849
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: learning from the mistakes and improving, and these fighters are.

850
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 3: Benefiting because of it.

851
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: Tyler Mitton doesn't he work with Max Holloway as well,

852
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: Max Holloway DC, so I've met him. He seems extremely knowledgeable,

853
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 1: very laid back, you know, doing a lot of the

854
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 1: cooking for these guys, keeping these guys sane and healthy and.

855
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 3: Motivated and energized.

856
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: It really is a huge advantage in Eddie Alvarez just

857
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: look phenomenal man, both you know, esthetically look guys and

858
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:45,919
Speaker 1: as far.

859
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 5: As performance, yeah, he looked big and strong, and I'm

860
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 5: glad we had a chance to shout out Tyler because

861
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 5: we failed to do so on pay per view. The

862
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 5: other thing with Alvarez too, this was a tricky guy

863
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 5: to prepare for and talking to hit Cardoile Meta and

864
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 5: Mark Henry because you want to try to take advantage

865
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,839
Speaker 5: of some of the things that justin gives you right

866
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 5: body open. They certainly exploited that, but you also against

867
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 5: a fighter like this, have to be willing to throw

868
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 5: caution to the wind a little bit and not be

869
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 5: too analytical about it, and to be willing to trust

870
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:20,320
Speaker 5: your instincts. And again with Alvarez, I think the McGregor

871
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 5: loss was super helpful for him from a mental standpoint.

872
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 5: He is a voracious reader, is a vociferous reader. What's

873
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 5: the word voracious?

874
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 3: Racious? But okay, so he's a voracious reader.

875
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 5: But I do feel like he had to step out

876
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 5: of his comfort zone a little bit and be willing

877
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 5: to get in an absolute war. I'm gonna hold that

878
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 5: thought there because now joining us on the guest line,

879
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 5: two thousand and eight Olympic gold medalist and freestyle wrestling

880
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:50,800
Speaker 5: UFC flyweight contender Henry Shudo is with us. Henry, congrats

881
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 5: on another big win.

882
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 3: Man. How you feeling this morning? All right?

883
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:56,280
Speaker 7: I give you good?

884
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 3: It's the little score, little sore. Well, I believe it.

885
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 2: Man.

886
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 5: It was a hard fifteen minutes. It was a dominant

887
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:06,240
Speaker 5: fifteen minutes.

888
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 3: I know.

889
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 5: In talking to one of your corner men, Eric about

890
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,879
Speaker 5: I scene, he said the strategy was to wrestle if

891
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 5: it was there, and man, did you dominate. I thought

892
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 5: you stayed busy in Pettis's guard to prevent any stand

893
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:21,240
Speaker 5: up situation. You did barely even got warned by Keith Peterson.

894
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 5: So overall assessment of the fifteen minutes you turned in

895
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 5: over the weekend my men.

896
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, I mean, i'd say telling almost tough

897
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 7: critic on myself, but I think for the most part,

898
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 7: we followed the game plan. I mean that's probable. I

899
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 7: think we're expecting I think bettest than their camp. They're

900
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:41,760
Speaker 7: expecting us to stand and uh, like I said before,

901
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 7: mean I have this, I have the you know, the peak.

902
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,280
Speaker 7: They're the pink outs in the room. And sometimes I

903
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,760
Speaker 7: I find my B side before, you know, for entertainment,

904
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,959
Speaker 7: the fact that I like it, which stand up. Really

905
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 7: my eight side is my bread and butter is my rust.

906
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,240
Speaker 7: And so I finally started to use it. People complain

907
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 7: that I don't use it, and now that I'm using,

908
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:02,720
Speaker 7: if you're complaining, they're.

909
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: Always gonna find something to complain about Henry that that

910
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: that's uh, no breaking news for you, I'm sure, but yeah,

911
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 1: that's the way it goes.

912
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 3: Man.

913
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,359
Speaker 1: You know, when you face something like Sergio, was it

914
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 1: more like you knew that you had the advantage in

915
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: the wrestling or you just didn't want to take the

916
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: risk of standing up with Sergio for too long?

917
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 7: No, I I just knew I had the advantage of

918
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 7: that even even when we even when we did strike,

919
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 7: he didn't have power. Uh, he doesn't have that power

920
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 7: that that that scary power. He's precise with this punches,

921
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 7: which is which is what's scary. But Sergio is yet

922
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 7: to kind of develop like that power. I mean, I

923
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 7: think it's just because he's so rangy. He uh, he

924
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:47,320
Speaker 7: was just getting just a little bit closer on his punches,

925
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 7: he would be a lot more lethal. But other than that,

926
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 7: like a you know, I decided to go, you know,

927
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 7: I throw a turbo at him, and I knew that

928
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:00,839
Speaker 7: was just a deficiency of of Joy and his brother.

929
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 7: They've always said they both his brother has had a

930
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 7: lot of fun with wrestlers, so they kind of studied

931
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 7: his brother a lot too. So that's all it was

932
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 7: it was just called game. Fight.

933
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 1: Now, obviously I've seen huge improvements in your game, But

934
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: how are you different since that last fight against Demetrius

935
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,320
Speaker 1: Johnson Man, Because you know, in your fight against Sergio,

936
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 1: I said, these are two guys who could be future

937
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 1: champs in this division. But I'm curious to see how

938
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: how how you've changed as a fighter. How you think

939
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: you've changed as a fighter since facing the Championmetris.

940
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 7: Yeah, No, personally, I think what Demetri is you have

941
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 7: to mix it because Demetrius to good everywhere. He's good

942
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,800
Speaker 7: on the ground, he's going to see he's got good rustlings,

943
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 7: you know. But I feel like I've improved a lot

944
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 7: since then. And you know, I kind of I'm kind

945
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 7: of sound like a broken record. But when I thought

946
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 7: Dimitrian and Johnson, I was only fighting for three years,

947
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 7: you know, uh, you know, one year into the UFC,

948
00:42:58,480 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 7: you know they have give me it. You know, they

949
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 7: gave me tato shot because if you know at leastee

950
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 7: the level of matic that I am, and I can

951
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 7: go in there, you know, jump on a four to

952
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 7: fight one streak and not even use my wrestling. But

953
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 7: I loved a lot of that. I traveled the world.

954
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 7: I've found I got styles from some different places, from Thailand,

955
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 7: Singapore to to Brazil, and uh, I've gone everywhere. And

956
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 7: I still I think and I think it's shown throughout

957
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 7: my throughout my last fights, especially with Wolf with Wolf,

958
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 7: and you know, I'm able to stand and and and

959
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 7: stay there, you know, and understand distance and range or whatnot,

960
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 7: which were things that I didn't understand before. And I

961
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:38,760
Speaker 7: guess you could call it NM a distance.

962
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

963
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 1: Well, it's been amazing, man, the striking improvements that you've made.

964
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 1: Now there's been some talk about a possible t J.

965
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 1: Delshaw to meet Juce Johnson fight. What do you think

966
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:53,280
Speaker 1: about that and and who do you think will win? Personally?

967
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 7: I still, uh, you know, I think that's great for

968
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,800
Speaker 7: our weight class. I'm not gonna be complaining because I

969
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 7: still like, I feel like TJ has put in his works.

970
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 7: I think he is a big name. Obviously, he's a

971
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 7: big name. He's a champ above. But I think, uh,

972
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 7: I think, uh, I think I think it's gonna be

973
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 7: a pretty decisive win for Demitrius Johnson, just just because

974
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 7: of the fact that its You's gonna's gonna He's gonna

975
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 7: bring he's gonna bring a he's gonna bring a five

976
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 7: paste to that. Fine, it's five rounds and on top

977
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 7: of that, TJ. Dillers has to move an additional ten pounds. Personally,

978
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 7: I think that will affect you a little bit, especially

979
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 7: going up against the cardio machine, like like Demetrius, Like

980
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 7: you have to first, you know, make the weight and

981
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 7: then and then recover well and then the rest is

982
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 7: like you know, being technically sad or whatnot. But if

983
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 7: you're not recovered and uh uh for the fight, you're

984
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 7: gonna be in some deep trouble.

985
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 5: Because shines Henrisotto with us here on the Anak and

986
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 5: Florian podcast, speaking of the weight and the management of it,

987
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 5: is is it fair to say that you've mastered the

988
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 5: cut at this point in time. I know you told

989
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 5: me Tuesday you're a little bit of a meaty flyweight.

990
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 5: It's not the easiest thing in the world, but you

991
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,800
Speaker 5: seem to be at the height of discipline and seem

992
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 5: to have gotten in a good place with it.

993
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 3: Is that fair to say?

994
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 6: Yeah?

995
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 7: I think so, and I I've learned to see it

996
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 7: as a process. I think sometimes us wrestlers will uh,

997
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 7: we'll cut. We'll we'll, we'll cut weight as much as

998
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 7: as as much as we can, like the last day,

999
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 7: and that's that that stuff has has bit me in

1000
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:30,720
Speaker 7: the butt a little bit, and it's just being smart

1001
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 7: about it, you know, having a you know, having having

1002
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 7: a full time chef in my fight camps. Uh, you know,

1003
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 7: doing that whole thing, it's just been worse. And then

1004
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 7: I've been able to kind of stay lean, stay strong,

1005
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:43,879
Speaker 7: and you can tell by the time it's fight day

1006
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 7: or weighing, uh, you know, I'm nicely shredded, and then

1007
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,919
Speaker 7: I recovered the next day. So and I think that's

1008
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 7: a that's a big plus to when I eventually if

1009
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 7: I did meet you Johnson again, because we able to

1010
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 7: say that, Glen, I'm recovering as I'm going to fight you, man,

1011
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 7: because I've you know, I've got a bunch of fights

1012
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 7: under my belt now and I'm able to recover after

1013
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,399
Speaker 7: these hard after these weight cuts, and then I feel

1014
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:08,919
Speaker 7: like not to perform a lot better.

1015
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 5: I know Dana White has said Demetrius Johnson versus TJ.

1016
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,879
Speaker 5: Dillashaw is going to be next, But you also told

1017
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 5: me during fight week that you do think about DJ

1018
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 5: a lot I know you're chopping at the bit to

1019
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 5: get another crack at him, And I feel like in

1020
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 5: the three fights you've had since the DJ fight, you've

1021
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 5: done enough to prove yourself as the top contender again. Certainly,

1022
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 5: the Benavidez decision was controversial. Most people I talked to

1023
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 5: thought you won that fight. I mean, do you feel

1024
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 5: like if that was your next fight four or five

1025
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 5: months from now, that you're now ready to put your

1026
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 5: best foot forward and become the new champion.

1027
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think so, man, I think so. Like and again,

1028
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:52,280
Speaker 7: Dimitia Johnson, he's featable just like everybody else's man, everybody, everybody,

1029
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 7: everybody can lean especially in this game. Yes, he did

1030
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 7: stop me. He just times to the Bible. Man, it's

1031
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 7: I guess we, uh, I guess we. We learned from

1032
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 7: that stuff and we learned from these mistakes. And you know,

1033
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 7: it's the first time I've lost, like I I've lost.

1034
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 7: I lost throughout my whole career in wrestling, and which

1035
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 7: made me good, it's maybe the best in the world

1036
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:15,359
Speaker 7: in that sport, was the fact that I've learned from

1037
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 7: all these losses, all these mistakes, losing to guys from Brussia, Iran.

1038
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 7: You know, different places all across the world and just

1039
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 7: men deciding to shin when the light is bright. And

1040
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 7: I hope, I hope I eventually do get my shot.

1041
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:32,359
Speaker 7: But but again, and I'm not complaining, man, I think

1042
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 7: that TJ DJ fighters, it's good for a white class man.

1043
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 7: I personally feel like it's gonna be really good for

1044
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 7: Demitrious because people are going to really see how good

1045
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:45,399
Speaker 7: he really is. Yeah, I think we will always put

1046
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 7: you know, people will always say that he's he's not

1047
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 7: such and such, but really, man, he is popped upon

1048
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 7: the best spot in the world. And it's such for

1049
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 7: me to say that because he is are my white closs,

1050
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 7: I'm a competitor, but man, it's just the reality.

1051
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 5: So I I know your team was maybe a little

1052
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 5: bit disappointed you didn't get the post fight interview with

1053
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 5: Joe Rogan. I was actually told that Francis and Ghanu

1054
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 5: was going to eat one of our UFC employees if

1055
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 5: we didn't let him get in the octagon. So it

1056
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 5: had been along eleven months for Francis and we had

1057
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 5: to get him into the cage. But in all seriousness,

1058
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 5: when Benevitez got that split decision against you, I went

1059
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 5: into the octagon to interview him, and we were just

1060
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 5: showered with booze the entire time because the crowd thought

1061
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:30,240
Speaker 5: you won the fight. Now, the Detroit crowd didn't necessarily

1062
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 5: appreciate the wrestling. But what would you have done with

1063
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 5: that opportunity? Would it have been a DJ call out?

1064
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 5: Would you have tried to sort of explain to these

1065
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 5: people that this is mixed martial arts? What would that

1066
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 5: post fight interview with Joe Rogan have entailed if you

1067
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,359
Speaker 5: had gotten no?

1068
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 7: Personally, I'd be like, hey man, I'm financial get that

1069
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 7: next Tishotic. I'm not gonna because of what I did

1070
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 7: to Wilson Hayes my last fight. All right, you know

1071
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 7: I want to throw people off to you that I don't.

1072
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 7: I don't want to necessarily show all my skills either

1073
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 7: again against Dimitrius Johnson because I know I know it's

1074
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 7: gonna be better like that in my heart, like I was,

1075
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 7: I knew it was just it was just los. It

1076
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 7: was a bad match up for him, you know. Yeah,

1077
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:14,359
Speaker 7: and uh, you know, I had my eyes set on him,

1078
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 7: and then I knew soon that after that, you know,

1079
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 7: Dimitrius Johnson would be that he would be watching, but

1080
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 7: it's it's like anything, Yeah, I wasn't gonna call him now,

1081
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 7: but at the same time, it's like, you know it'd

1082
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 7: be missing. I mean, it is what it is. I

1083
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:30,800
Speaker 7: just I got a wooding lineman. I've had my shot,

1084
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 7: I lost, and uh, you know, touch the USC and

1085
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 7: then touching my coaching, and I don't mind getting one

1086
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 7: more fight before I fight the mtris, you know, like it's, uh,

1087
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 7: it's okay for me because I'm only getting better and

1088
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 7: I'm only getting better, and uh, if this fight with

1089
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 7: t J does happen with DJ and I think, I

1090
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 7: think this is great. I think it's I think it's

1091
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 7: great for our Whitecross. And like I said before, even

1092
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 7: if the miss Johnson did not want to take that

1093
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:58,399
Speaker 7: fight with TJ like like he has, I said, I said,

1094
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 7: I'll fight TJ right because I know the advantage and

1095
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 7: the disadvantage of cutting a lot of weight, and I

1096
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 7: just don't feel like, uh, I just don't feel like

1097
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 7: I just don't feel like, you know, I think at

1098
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 7: one hundred and thirty five tons supposed to go up

1099
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 7: or give, I think it'd be a lot a lot

1100
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 7: more equal. But when you cut it down extra turn

1101
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 7: and that stuff hurts. It hurts.

1102
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think you hit on a lot of good points.

1103
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,359
Speaker 5: I think you carry yourself like a champion, man, and

1104
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:32,720
Speaker 5: it's been a pleasure for all of us to watch

1105
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:33,320
Speaker 5: you evolved.

1106
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:35,280
Speaker 3: I have no doubt.

1107
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 5: That you will eventually get back into a title fight,

1108
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 5: and hopefully you can maximize that opportunity. I appreciate you

1109
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 5: breaking away for a couple of minutes. What have you

1110
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 5: been eating since the fight, dude? Are you beefing up

1111
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 5: a little bit?

1112
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 7: Or what?

1113
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 6: What is?

1114
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 7: What is it with me and food?

1115
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 3: Burgers and shakes? H Henry.

1116
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, there's a there's a there's a place out here

1117
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 7: called Peter Piper, Peter Piper Peter the other day here before.

1118
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 7: But pretty much it's a pizza that I that I

1119
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 7: up eating when I was when I was a kid,

1120
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 7: and that's simply where I go every day every time

1121
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:11,799
Speaker 7: I fight, that simply before, at a nice little pizza place.

1122
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 3: Nice.

1123
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 5: All right, Well, you've earned it, get some rest, man,

1124
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:16,320
Speaker 5: and we look forward to your next fight. I appreciate

1125
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 5: the time. Sincerely, man.

1126
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,839
Speaker 7: Have a good day, you two John, do you guys

1127
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:20,359
Speaker 7: have a good one?

1128
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 3: Thank you?

1129
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 5: Man? All right there, he is the two thousand and

1130
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 5: eight Olympic gold medalist, UFC Flyway contender Henry Sahudo and bro,

1131
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 5: these dudes, their approach to.

1132
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:31,840
Speaker 3: This game is next level, and uh it's there's a.

1133
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,720
Speaker 5: Lot of elite fighters there, right, But like they all

1134
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 5: Eric Albertasin is saying, is like, dude, go hire a

1135
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 5: wrestling coach now, okay, because all we're gonna do is

1136
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 5: wrestle or wait, are we going to box you?

1137
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 3: Right?

1138
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 5: Like they don't want to reveal what they're doing, right,

1139
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:47,319
Speaker 5: They don't do a ton of media, you know what

1140
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 5: I mean? And that's all they were saying is that

1141
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 5: we're trying to throw people off, you know, not to

1142
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 5: say that Sergio Pettis's training camp wasn't rooted in wrestling, right.

1143
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 5: He spent a ton of time wrestling. Obviously, He's got

1144
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:00,919
Speaker 5: Easy Martinez in his corner. He had an entire high

1145
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 5: school wrestling team revolving their practices around him. Right, But

1146
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,359
Speaker 5: you know, good luck beating Henry Shudo and good luck

1147
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 5: figure it out exactly how he's going to approach his

1148
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:10,439
Speaker 5: next fight.

1149
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 3: Man.

1150
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 1: I mean, so much of fighting is the art of deception,

1151
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 1: and you kind of have to be a little secret,

1152
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 1: especially when you're dealing with a guy with as many

1153
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:21,760
Speaker 1: weapons as a Demetrius Johnson and being able to change

1154
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 1: your colors like a chameleon fight to fight. I think

1155
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 1: it is an important thing and doesn't really give an

1156
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 1: opponent any patterns to really rely on as far as

1157
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 1: what to expect, and I think it's a smart approach

1158
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 1: by Suhudo and his guys.

1159
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 5: All I want to get back to Alvarez and Gaichie

1160
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 5: for a second, and for Justin Gaechee man. I mean,

1161
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 5: those leg kicks are something fierce and somehow Eddie was

1162
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 5: just able to tough his way through it.

1163
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 3: You know, Well that's what That's what was so crazy.

1164
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:50,240
Speaker 1: It looked like that the tide was kind of shifting,

1165
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 1: like you know, Eddie was kept shifting his his stance.

1166
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 3: He was changing his stances.

1167
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 1: But more than anything else, John I think that, you know,

1168
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:01,240
Speaker 1: it was obviously his toughness, but it was Eddie going

1169
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 1: to the body against Justin Gaigie.

1170
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 3: That's what slowed Gei Chee down.

1171
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 1: That's what really got him to really stay planted in

1172
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:11,240
Speaker 1: the octagon and allowed Eddie to land combination after combination.

1173
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 1: Eddie has been in so many different situations. I mean

1174
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 1: from getting his neck tweaked up against the cage and

1175
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:18,720
Speaker 1: a fight in Japan where I thought.

1176
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 3: He was done. He always finds a way to come back.

1177
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 3: This guy is an absolute beast.

1178
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:26,799
Speaker 1: The fact that you know he was able to come

1179
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 1: back after those leg kicks where it looked like he

1180
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 1: was kind of just dropping into his back and it

1181
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 1: looked like the fight was over, but.

1182
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 3: Unbelievable. Man.

1183
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 1: Geechee was again brutal with those leg kicks, which I

1184
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 1: thought was really smart.

1185
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 3: I just think he did it a little bit too

1186
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 3: late in the fight. Second round.

1187
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: He landed a lot of them, but I thought he

1188
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 1: maybe should have done it earlier in the first round

1189
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 1: and also should have gone to the body against Eddie

1190
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 1: Alvarez a lot more. Eddie took advantage of that aspect

1191
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 1: against Gegee, which slowed him down and then the arms

1192
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:57,320
Speaker 1: started to drop down, and then Eddie.

1193
00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 3: Took out the head with the knee. Beautiful hook, but

1194
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 3: that knee was just devastating.

1195
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 5: Well, in one respect, maybe you could say that Eddie

1196
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 5: Alvarez gave you a little bit of a blueprint for

1197
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:09,320
Speaker 5: how you beat Justin Gaichie, and in some respects I

1198
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:11,319
Speaker 5: would say he did. But there's just not a lot

1199
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 5: of fighters that are gonna be able to go in

1200
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 5: there and survive long enough to execute any sort of

1201
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 5: game plan against that freak. You know, I was questioning

1202
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:21,800
Speaker 5: if Gaichee was like an alien life form, and so

1203
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:23,839
Speaker 5: we saw him get beat you know, no, he looked

1204
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 5: like the terminator man, and like you said, yeah, you

1205
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:28,359
Speaker 5: can go ahead and try to do that game plan

1206
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 5: that Eddie Alvarez is, but you better have an insane chin,

1207
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 5: you better have some great skills, and you better have

1208
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 5: you know, heart for days.

1209
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 3: So that was.

1210
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 5: Crazy shaking Gaichie's hand. I'm like, what's this guy gonna

1211
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 5: do to me?

1212
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 6: Oh?

1213
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 3: Nothing, He's just gonna shake my hand.

1214
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 5: Okay, And again Eddie Alvarez and Dustin Pourier the rematch.

1215
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 5: I may and just make the fight, you know. I

1216
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 5: just think it makes sense. They're both right there on

1217
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 5: the cusp of contention, and hopefully we do start to

1218
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 5: get some clarity at one hundred and fifty five pounds.

1219
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 5: Of course, you've got Kabib Ramago Medab set to face

1220
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 5: Eds and Barboza later this month. We have two champions

1221
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 5: right now, so hopefully we can spin this thing forward

1222
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 5: and twenty eighteen can be a huge year for the lightweights.

1223
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 5: At least hopefully we get Ferguson McGregor. I mean, I'll

1224
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:10,360
Speaker 5: pitch in.

1225
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 3: No, definitely, dude.

1226
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:13,840
Speaker 1: And now maybe we can get that Eddie Alvarez Dustin

1227
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 1: Poya rematch.

1228
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:15,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

1229
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 5: That's the fight Dustin wants it, and hopefully, as Dustin

1230
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 5: calls him, Edward will oblige. Also on the Mad card,

1231
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 5: Kenny t Sha Torres against Michelle Watterson. Torres now a

1232
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:31,319
Speaker 5: sparkly six to one in the UFC after getting past

1233
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:35,280
Speaker 5: Michelle Waterson unanimous decision, and I thought Torres really showed

1234
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 5: you a lot of different wrinkles to her game, but

1235
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:40,359
Speaker 5: in particular her mental game right after spending the bulk

1236
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 5: of that second round off of her back, to reset

1237
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:44,880
Speaker 5: dominate the third round and leave no doubt that she

1238
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,479
Speaker 5: was the better fighter and the strawway contender to watch

1239
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:48,280
Speaker 5: now moving forward.

1240
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and Michelle Watterson, who's an excellent striker, you could

1241
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 1: see the respect that she had for Torres. On the feet, Torres,

1242
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:56,440
Speaker 1: I thought def was definitely getting the better of her

1243
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 1: and she had to revert to some takedowns to try

1244
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 1: to get it done. Looked like she was, you know,

1245
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 1: on her way, you know, in the second round with

1246
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:07,439
Speaker 1: momentum hitting that takedown when she did. Uh, but man,

1247
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:10,319
Speaker 1: Torres is really tough, knows how to adapt, knows how

1248
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:14,720
Speaker 1: to come back from adversity, you know again, just very fast.

1249
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 1: I think the difference for her was the physicality of Torres.

1250
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 1: She's just so strong man in that clinch, extremely strong,

1251
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 1: very quick, was hitting harder and sharper than Waterson and

1252
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:27,399
Speaker 1: got it done.

1253
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 3: She's definitely someone who I expect to get a title

1254
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 3: shot at some point.

1255
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:33,240
Speaker 5: And the karate hotty put on two pounds of muscle

1256
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 5: and for a frame that weighs in at one hundred

1257
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:36,960
Speaker 5: and sixteen pounds, that's a pretty big deal. And I

1258
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 5: did think physically you saw a different Michelle Waterson. But

1259
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 5: the tiny Tornado fall River Massachusetts fall rev on over

1260
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:49,839
Speaker 5: the weekend. All right, let's get to to what's his name,

1261
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:50,360
Speaker 5: Ray Longo.

1262
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 3: Let's get to Ray.

1263
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 4: It's now time for the Ray Longo Minutes.

1264
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:56,800
Speaker 6: And I get to punch a hole in this fucking

1265
00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:58,320
Speaker 6: That's what I want.

1266
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:06,759
Speaker 4: The Ray long Minute. John nik and Kenny Florian Podcast Ray.

1267
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 5: Have you actually gone back and watched the video and

1268
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:13,839
Speaker 5: seen the great graphics package that that Ben wassare put

1269
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:15,759
Speaker 5: together with this whole ray longo minute thing.

1270
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 3: Have you seen it?

1271
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 6: I don't know who he is, but I just saw it.

1272
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:18,919
Speaker 3: Now.

1273
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:21,479
Speaker 6: Congratulations, it looks great.

1274
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 3: I'm telling you, it looks great, all right?

1275
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 6: With some effid do I.

1276
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 8: Like people have put an effid into what they're doing

1277
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 8: and have some passion.

1278
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 6: But I'm still reeling from the other night.

1279
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was gonna say, I don't know how much

1280
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 5: time you have today, but we'll take as much of

1281
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 5: it as you'll give us. And let's start with Francis

1282
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 5: and Ganu. Give me some context, uh, and give me

1283
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 5: a blanket to hide under.

1284
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, very scary man.

1285
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 8: He's a big dude, looks like he's got serious power

1286
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 8: Overheim's been in there with the.

1287
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 6: Best, the biggest, uh.

1288
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 3: You know.

1289
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 6: I know Valante's out there with Steve A. And I

1290
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 6: texted him.

1291
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 8: I said, listen, tell Steve A you want to put

1292
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 8: some lights up on the roof for Chris Miss And

1293
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 8: then when he comes up there, push him off breaking

1294
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 8: and he's he's he could survive for a little longer now,

1295
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:08,720
Speaker 8: I'm only kidding, but Steve is a great guy. Joke

1296
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:13,920
Speaker 8: around and what a crazy fight this is gonna be. Uh, Man,

1297
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 8: he's scary. Man, I don't know right now, he's he's

1298
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 8: on track. I think that was a huge test for.

1299
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 6: Him against overem To to.

1300
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 8: To really see if the guy was serious, and he

1301
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 8: passed his first test for sure. And Uh, it looks

1302
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 8: like he's in the right spot with his training. He's

1303
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 8: got the size, he's got the athleticism, he's got the power.

1304
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 8: You know, I don't know where his wrestling stands, but

1305
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 8: if he hits you, he's gonna hurt you.

1306
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 6: And at that.

1307
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 8: Size, you know, it's first us with the most This

1308
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 8: is the bestest man. I mean, that guy you gotta

1309
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 8: You're gonna have to be able to take some punishment

1310
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 8: to beat him.

1311
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 5: And Cardio can be king in this sport, certainly, but

1312
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 5: you better figure out a way to gas that tank, uh,

1313
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 5: or you're gonna be in real trouble. As ken Fler

1314
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 5: would say in Ghana, is certainly a problem. I mean, Ray,

1315
00:58:57,880 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 5: do you think he's the betting favorite when he fight

1316
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 5: steep A.

1317
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 6: Uh, that's an interesting point.

1318
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 8: I mean, I think you know there's gonna be so

1319
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 8: much hype after what he did to Overheim, and he

1320
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 8: was the betting favorite in that fight, right, so I think, uh,

1321
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,040
Speaker 8: he'll be a slight favorite. Yeah, I mean, I think

1322
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 8: it's it's steep A's responsibility to dictate where that fight

1323
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 8: takes place. And it is a five round fight, and

1324
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 8: I would say, you know, the mentality going in there

1325
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 8: would be survived first and then win. You know, you're

1326
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 8: gonna have to whether a couple of storms and then

1327
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 8: see where this guy's cardio is at in like the

1328
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 8: third and fourth round because we really haven't seen that.

1329
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 8: So that's uh, you know, that's something we don't know,

1330
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 8: and I think that's something I'd be willing.

1331
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:42,680
Speaker 6: To, you know, try to test. Man.

1332
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 8: Let's take this guy into deep waters and again. To

1333
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 8: do that, you're gonna have to really fight a smart fight.

1334
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:49,919
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1335
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 1: The only way you want to box with thin Ghano

1336
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 1: is if you're mounted on top of him.

1337
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 3: Ray, That's pretty much it. I think, exactly exactly.

1338
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 6: You know, scary dude, scary man.

1339
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 1: Now what do you think of the main that Holloway

1340
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:05,680
Speaker 1: against Aldo? It is all though done here or it

1341
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 1: was Halloway that good?

1342
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 3: You know what it is.

1343
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 6: Look, Holloway is definitely that good. But Aldo.

1344
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:13,200
Speaker 8: What I liked about that fight. He did come out swinging,

1345
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 8: he did go back to the leg kicks. Would have

1346
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 8: liked to scene a little more. But you know, there

1347
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:19,440
Speaker 8: comes a point in your career with there's always going

1348
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 8: to be that one guy you're just not going to

1349
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 8: get passed. And that for Aldo right now is is Holloway.

1350
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 8: You know, but there's still a lot of guys he

1351
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 8: could beat. But you know, Kenny get to that point.

1352
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 8: For Holloway, I doubt it because the other guy's young,

1353
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 8: He's only going to get better. He seems like he's

1354
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:37,520
Speaker 8: so relaxed in there, he's having a good time. He

1355
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 8: throws a lot of volume.

1356
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:43,919
Speaker 6: Yeah he's not. He's never beaten him at this point.

1357
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 8: Because I think we got a glimpse at a at

1358
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:49,720
Speaker 8: an Aldo that was in training camp that kind of had,

1359
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 8: you know, glimpses of the old Aldo.

1360
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:53,480
Speaker 6: He was throwing. Man, he went down swinging.

1361
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 8: I think it was a you know, great to see

1362
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 8: you know him, you know, give it his all and

1363
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 8: but it's just never gonna be enough for this kid.

1364
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 1: Alvarez and GAETI was it everything you hoped for everything

1365
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 1: you expected.

1366
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 8: I gotta tell you, man, I'm blown away by Eddie Alvarez.

1367
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:14,040
Speaker 6: Man, that is that guy. That's some old school sound

1368
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 6: Philly toughness.

1369
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 3: Man.

1370
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:18,600
Speaker 6: The guy fought like a man possessed.

1371
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 8: I mean, look, the theme of the night for me

1372
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:26,439
Speaker 8: was the ability to, you know, withstand punishment and stick

1373
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 8: to your game plan or never, never, never quit. I mean,

1374
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 8: Paul Felder in a choke. I thought that fight was over.

1375
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:36,439
Speaker 8: I thought Maderos was done. He came back. I thought

1376
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:39,880
Speaker 8: Alvarez's leg was gonna give out. He would stood, I mean,

1377
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:44,240
Speaker 8: never never quit. These are some tough minded dudes, man.

1378
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 8: I mean I didn't think Alvarez was gonna do it

1379
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:50,920
Speaker 8: based on the Pourier fight and the McGregor fight, But

1380
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:53,920
Speaker 8: holy shit, I don't know where he summoned that up from,

1381
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 8: but that was that was a testament to just fortitude,

1382
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:02,200
Speaker 8: toughness and guts and heard.

1383
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:03,960
Speaker 6: I mean it's not like he got out of there

1384
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:04,640
Speaker 6: run scathing.

1385
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 8: He took a beating and he kept going, man, and

1386
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:10,320
Speaker 8: he broke down a guy that was tough and probably

1387
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:12,120
Speaker 8: exposed him a little bit. You know, I think I

1388
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:14,240
Speaker 8: think I heard you say the body shots. I think

1389
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 8: with a difference in that fight, you can't just cover

1390
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 8: up and stand there.

1391
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 6: I don't know what kind of game plan that.

1392
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:23,160
Speaker 8: Is to just see how much punishment you could take

1393
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 8: from a big puncher like Alvarez, who, even if he's

1394
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:28,960
Speaker 8: at the tail end of his career, they say power

1395
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:30,040
Speaker 8: is the last thing to go.

1396
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:32,360
Speaker 6: And I'll tell you what, man, he still got a

1397
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:34,720
Speaker 6: punch and still as well.

1398
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:38,280
Speaker 8: Still yeah, which, Kenny, I gotta tell you, I am

1399
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:39,720
Speaker 8: really surprised me too.

1400
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:42,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, I am in shock. I don't know.

1401
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:47,280
Speaker 8: I just think, man, there's gotta be a mindset component

1402
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:51,160
Speaker 8: to this that you know you can never put your

1403
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:53,959
Speaker 8: you know you can never grasp. I mean this guy,

1404
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 8: like again, I viewed him as a man possessed.

1405
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:57,160
Speaker 6: He was.

1406
01:02:57,400 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 8: He refused to lose that fight. He could have been

1407
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:04,080
Speaker 8: out of that fight five times. But just the mental toughness,

1408
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:07,680
Speaker 8: I mean, that's an old school Eddie Alvarez fight.

1409
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:11,200
Speaker 6: Man. That guy is balls to the wall tough. And again, just.

1410
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 8: Those old South Philly fighters, man, were built on toughness.

1411
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:16,480
Speaker 6: And that's what he displayed to me.

1412
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:17,280
Speaker 7: Man, He just.

1413
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:21,080
Speaker 8: He surprised me. But I can't say enough about what

1414
01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:23,360
Speaker 8: I saw. I just I think it's a lesson for

1415
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:27,120
Speaker 8: all young fighters. Man, that Eddie Alvarez was willing to

1416
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:27,720
Speaker 8: die in there.

1417
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:29,760
Speaker 6: That's what I saw. He was willing to die.

1418
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 8: And you know what, man, this is a this is

1419
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:34,280
Speaker 8: a sport where you're either all in or all out,

1420
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 8: and Eddie Alvarez was all.

1421
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 6: In that night.

1422
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:39,640
Speaker 8: And you know, I think the fans, you know, got

1423
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:40,800
Speaker 8: rewarded for that man.

1424
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:44,040
Speaker 6: And he's I don't know, and against the stage of

1425
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:45,520
Speaker 6: the game. I'm sorry, I did.

1426
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:47,200
Speaker 3: It against another guy who's willing to die in the

1427
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:49,440
Speaker 3: cage as well. It was bigger than me.

1428
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:53,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, another guy who's I mean, I don't know. I mean, it.

1429
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:57,000
Speaker 8: Definitely wasn't a defensive clinic, but it was. It was

1430
01:03:57,040 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 8: an exciting fight. You're right, you had two guys that

1431
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:04,240
Speaker 8: I don't know, man, it was that was that was

1432
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 8: a fight.

1433
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:06,280
Speaker 6: That was a great fight.

1434
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 3: Gotty Ward Castillo Corlis. It was that level. Yeah, it

1435
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 3: was amazing.

1436
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:12,880
Speaker 8: I mean, just when you think that guy's leg he

1437
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:14,720
Speaker 8: was gonna buckle had a held it.

1438
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:16,760
Speaker 6: I mean, and we've all been kicked in the leg.

1439
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 6: That sucks. And he got through that mental pain.

1440
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:23,240
Speaker 8: Man, I give it up to the guy really really

1441
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:25,000
Speaker 8: really fascinated by what I saw.

1442
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:28,080
Speaker 5: I think you summed it up beautifully because as I

1443
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:30,600
Speaker 5: was walking out of the arena, I was sort of thinking, man,

1444
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:33,680
Speaker 5: these are like superhumans. I just can't relate to this

1445
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:36,720
Speaker 5: type of mental or physical toughness. And you mentioned Yancy

1446
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 5: Maderis and Alex cowboy O Levera And we're gonna talk

1447
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:41,280
Speaker 5: a little bit more about that fight later. My front

1448
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:43,919
Speaker 5: runner now for Fight of the Year. And gae Chee

1449
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:46,479
Speaker 5: I mean willing to die. I mean he is more

1450
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 5: than willing to get knocked out. Betwitching on the canvas

1451
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:52,360
Speaker 5: no problem for Justin Gaichee. So congrats to all these guys.

1452
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:56,520
Speaker 5: I know, someone see.

1453
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:57,720
Speaker 8: If you could see them by you know Gaichee's text. Man,

1454
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:00,320
Speaker 8: he's just a look. I grew to like that guy

1455
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:02,280
Speaker 8: watching him on the show. He seems like a good guy.

1456
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:05,680
Speaker 8: He's got a great camp. You know, the boxing coach

1457
01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:08,720
Speaker 8: I can't think of the Whitman's a good dude, you

1458
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:10,240
Speaker 8: know what I mean. They got a great thing now

1459
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:12,880
Speaker 8: with Rose and they got good people over there. So

1460
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:15,959
Speaker 8: I think, you know, Gaigie's literally gonna grow a lot

1461
01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:19,000
Speaker 8: from this fight. He's gonna make some adjustments because I

1462
01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:21,520
Speaker 8: tell you, the one thing you can't teach is toughness,

1463
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:22,400
Speaker 8: and that's what.

1464
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:24,360
Speaker 6: Both of those guys have. But then when you can

1465
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:25,480
Speaker 6: put technique and a.

1466
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:29,160
Speaker 8: Little little smartness in there, a little you know, fight

1467
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:31,800
Speaker 8: iq with that man, that's he's gonna be a tough dude.

1468
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:35,600
Speaker 8: He's gonna grow tremendously and just the Texis and Alvarez

1469
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:38,479
Speaker 8: man winna lose Gerts and you know, just a good dude.

1470
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:40,960
Speaker 8: You could see he's a great guy. And again, I

1471
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:43,840
Speaker 8: think this show really highlighted he is a thinker. You know,

1472
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:48,480
Speaker 8: he's gonna start applying his coaching skills to his fighting skills,

1473
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:50,480
Speaker 8: and they think when they come together, man, that guy's

1474
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:53,160
Speaker 8: gonna be He's he's on his way. Man, he's a

1475
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:55,360
Speaker 8: he's got a great career ahead of him. But he's

1476
01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:58,680
Speaker 8: gotta he's gotta, you know, use a little smarts now

1477
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:01,400
Speaker 8: and not you know, Wes tough. He's got nothing to

1478
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:04,360
Speaker 8: prove that toughness is there. Now, start fighting with your

1479
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:05,600
Speaker 8: head and you'll be a different guy.

1480
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:07,880
Speaker 5: And I have to say, for the record, you know,

1481
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:10,320
Speaker 5: I don't like New Yorkers, but I put that Chris

1482
01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:14,560
Speaker 5: Widman performance against Kelvin Gasolom and that same just refuse

1483
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:18,360
Speaker 5: to lose mental and physical toughness category. Really, that was

1484
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:20,680
Speaker 5: as inspiring as any UFC win I've seen this year

1485
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:23,320
Speaker 5: as well. So a non to you guys and certainly

1486
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:25,920
Speaker 5: to Chris for that. So, hey, big weekend for you

1487
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:29,840
Speaker 5: before we get to Al Joe and Marlon made So

1488
01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:34,880
Speaker 5: Sarah Long goes. Morob devolish Villy making his UFC debut

1489
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:37,800
Speaker 5: this weekend. So he's coming off a fifteen second knockout

1490
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:41,160
Speaker 5: of the previously undefeated Rayfion stats and I know people

1491
01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:42,840
Speaker 5: think highly of him. It was in defense of his

1492
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:46,440
Speaker 5: Ring of Combat bantamweight title, and it wasn't your typical

1493
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:48,600
Speaker 5: spinning backfist. It was almost like he was standing in

1494
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:50,440
Speaker 5: front of him when he threw it and landed it.

1495
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:52,280
Speaker 5: But good enough to get him in the UFC. Ray

1496
01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:56,200
Speaker 5: He's won six in a row faces Frankie signs on Saturday.

1497
01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:59,840
Speaker 5: What are your expectations for Marob devolish Villy.

1498
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:03,520
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think Morob is look first off, he's he

1499
01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:06,320
Speaker 8: is from the Republic of Georgia. He's got a work

1500
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:11,160
Speaker 8: ethic second to none, tough as nails, He's gonna he's fighting.

1501
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:14,840
Speaker 8: He's gonna go in there. He's gonna be similar to

1502
01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:18,160
Speaker 8: you know, he's not he's not quitting. He's not going anyway.

1503
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:21,440
Speaker 8: He's coming guns blazing. He's a great kid. When you

1504
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:24,680
Speaker 8: meet him, you're gonna love him. He's very appreciative. He

1505
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:26,800
Speaker 8: does what you tell him to do, and he's just

1506
01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:28,760
Speaker 8: I can't say enough about this kid.

1507
01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:30,360
Speaker 6: He's just a great kid.

1508
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:34,080
Speaker 8: He's in a foreign country and uh, he's he's a

1509
01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:36,480
Speaker 8: good hopefully achieves the American dream man.

1510
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:38,920
Speaker 6: I expect a great fight out of.

1511
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:41,720
Speaker 8: Him, and I think he's gonna be very entertaining and

1512
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:45,040
Speaker 8: it's It's an exciting week, man, it really is.

1513
01:07:45,080 --> 01:07:48,080
Speaker 3: Everybody's pumped all right and quickly on Al Joe.

1514
01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:50,160
Speaker 5: It'll be his third fight this year, trying to go

1515
01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:53,160
Speaker 5: three and oh to close out his twenty seventeen. Your

1516
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:56,200
Speaker 5: expectations for the fight between Sterling and Madison, I will

1517
01:07:56,240 --> 01:07:59,120
Speaker 5: tell you that right now. It is Marlin meriis minus

1518
01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:02,760
Speaker 5: one eighty five. Have al Jamaine Sterling plus one fifty?

1519
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:05,960
Speaker 6: Yeah? No, I mean, uh, there's a big fight for

1520
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 6: Al Joe. I think the difference in this fight is

1521
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:09,760
Speaker 6: I'm glad he had that fight with.

1522
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:12,680
Speaker 3: Hennan Hennon Barrown.

1523
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:14,520
Speaker 6: I mean, I think that was a big fight for

1524
01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:15,200
Speaker 6: Al Joe.

1525
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:17,280
Speaker 8: He knows he could be in there with world class

1526
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:19,600
Speaker 8: you know, guys who were champion before that, you know,

1527
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:22,360
Speaker 8: had great reputations and did a lot of things in

1528
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:25,120
Speaker 8: the UFC. So I think that's the difference in the fight.

1529
01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:27,840
Speaker 8: He's going in there with the right mentality. He's got

1530
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:31,000
Speaker 8: tools that we haven't seen yet that I hope come

1531
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:31,759
Speaker 8: out in this fight.

1532
01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:33,360
Speaker 6: And I think it's gonna be a great fight.

1533
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:36,640
Speaker 8: A lot of respect for Marlin and his camp obviously,

1534
01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:39,439
Speaker 8: and we know Marlin's a tough dude, but uh, I

1535
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:41,320
Speaker 8: expect that to be a great fight also.

1536
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:44,080
Speaker 5: Man, all right, well, I wish you guys all the

1537
01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:46,880
Speaker 5: best this weekend. We actually went ahead and booked Matt

1538
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:51,479
Speaker 5: the Terror Sarah for next Monday, so hopefully celebrating, uh

1539
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:55,120
Speaker 5: hopefully we're celebrating a couple of big wins for teams

1540
01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:56,400
Speaker 5: Sarah Longo there in Fresno.

1541
01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:58,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, you got you guys, got guts. You're bringing him

1542
01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:00,280
Speaker 6: on me?

1543
01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:03,200
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe no video, I don't know.

1544
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:05,120
Speaker 6: I want no mercy Teddy.

1545
01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:07,719
Speaker 3: I'll do my best. I'll do my best.

1546
01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:12,240
Speaker 6: Publicly attacked you after this guy. No, now that's awesome.

1547
01:09:12,360 --> 01:09:13,200
Speaker 6: I'm glad you have that.

1548
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:16,360
Speaker 8: Uh, we got a couple of good things happen in

1549
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:17,200
Speaker 8: the following week.

1550
01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:19,320
Speaker 6: I'll fill you in on next week. But great, great,

1551
01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:20,280
Speaker 6: great week in a fight.

1552
01:09:20,360 --> 01:09:23,280
Speaker 1: A little teaser a little while you're giving us a

1553
01:09:23,280 --> 01:09:24,439
Speaker 1: little teaser for next week.

1554
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:25,000
Speaker 3: I like it.

1555
01:09:25,400 --> 01:09:29,280
Speaker 8: Yeah, possibly, uh, maybe some reality TV news.

1556
01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:32,320
Speaker 3: Oh. I saw a little light in his eyes. This

1557
01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:34,439
Speaker 3: is good. I like this. I can't wait. I can't

1558
01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:37,680
Speaker 3: wait to hear good stuff. Thanks, buddy, have a good week.

1559
01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:39,880
Speaker 6: All right, I'll see you right.

1560
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:42,439
Speaker 3: You will not see us in Fresno.

1561
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:43,200
Speaker 6: Wow.

1562
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:46,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, I get the week off, my man. Uh done

1563
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:48,920
Speaker 5: for the last five Paul Feller will be there for you.

1564
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:50,759
Speaker 3: I'll be in studio, We'll be I'll be watching.

1565
01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:54,719
Speaker 6: We'll see I'll talk to you next Monday.

1566
01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:55,720
Speaker 3: All right.

1567
01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:58,599
Speaker 5: There he is the Ray long Ago minute every week

1568
01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:01,840
Speaker 5: here on the Anakin Florian Podcas and you know, go

1569
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:04,280
Speaker 5: on reality TV. I mean you gotta think we helped

1570
01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:06,560
Speaker 5: a little bit. No, I mean giving him this platform

1571
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:09,320
Speaker 5: with the tens of thousands of listeners every week.

1572
01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:12,080
Speaker 1: He oss, we want a percentage, I'm telling you, let's

1573
01:10:12,120 --> 01:10:13,479
Speaker 1: give it to ten peak a little bit.

1574
01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:16,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, let's give one percent to the Flow. You

1575
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:18,800
Speaker 5: can make it out to like Florian Corp or some

1576
01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:21,320
Speaker 5: shit like that. But keep an eye on this morob

1577
01:10:21,400 --> 01:10:23,320
Speaker 5: devolish Philly. You know they're not giving him any picnic

1578
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:26,800
Speaker 5: obviously in his UFC debut fighting Frankie Signs, who has

1579
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:29,000
Speaker 5: actually lost three in a row. Now, that included a

1580
01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:31,680
Speaker 5: distance fight with your Ia faberback in twenty fifteen, and

1581
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:34,000
Speaker 5: a big fight between Al Joe and Marlon but Ice

1582
01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:35,599
Speaker 5: that we're going to get to in the main event challenge.

1583
01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:37,559
Speaker 5: But I just got to get a few more things

1584
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:42,360
Speaker 5: from you. On UFC two to eighteen Flow, I made

1585
01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:45,479
Speaker 5: you watch Yancy Madaris Alex Olivera and delayed the start

1586
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:47,320
Speaker 5: of the show today so you could see it. Because

1587
01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:50,960
Speaker 5: at least for me, it has moved ahead, albeit slightly,

1588
01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:54,479
Speaker 5: of Michael Johnson and Justin Gaetchee for the UFC Fight

1589
01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:58,880
Speaker 5: of the Year in twenty seventeen. These guys Man and

1590
01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:01,080
Speaker 5: Ray hit on some of the points that I was

1591
01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:03,880
Speaker 5: going to. But it's just incredible when you have two

1592
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:08,360
Speaker 5: fighters who have this type of momentum and drive and

1593
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:11,040
Speaker 5: will and heart and skill.

1594
01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:14,479
Speaker 3: This is This is what makes this sport the greatest

1595
01:11:14,479 --> 01:11:14,840
Speaker 3: in the world.

1596
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:17,160
Speaker 5: When I used to say when boxing is at its best,

1597
01:11:17,479 --> 01:11:20,320
Speaker 5: nothing can touch it. When mma is at its best,

1598
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:22,160
Speaker 5: it's the greatest sport in the world.

1599
01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:24,640
Speaker 1: Oh, there's no doubt about that man. That must have

1600
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:26,439
Speaker 1: been a lot of a lot of fun to call.

1601
01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:29,960
Speaker 1: And both you and Rogan certainly showed that passion throughout

1602
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:32,479
Speaker 1: that fight, which was just phenomenal. And I agree with

1603
01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:34,639
Speaker 1: you right now. That's my front runner for a fight

1604
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:37,280
Speaker 1: at the year. These are two guys that wasted no

1605
01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:40,000
Speaker 1: time going at it. You see what their intention was,

1606
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:44,559
Speaker 1: first to win the fight by finish and number two,

1607
01:11:45,200 --> 01:11:48,880
Speaker 1: to not leave out, leave that, leave that cage without

1608
01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:51,040
Speaker 1: getting to win. And they were prepared to die in

1609
01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:54,360
Speaker 1: that cage. I mean, just amazing stuff back and forth.

1610
01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:56,559
Speaker 1: This is as good as a fight as you're gonna get,

1611
01:11:56,640 --> 01:12:00,000
Speaker 1: especially when you get two guys that were fighting from

1612
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:00,759
Speaker 1: opposite stands.

1613
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:01,280
Speaker 3: For the most part.

1614
01:12:01,320 --> 01:12:04,519
Speaker 1: Madeira's fighting from that south past stance, kept landing that

1615
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:07,000
Speaker 1: left hand, and of course it was cowboy landing that

1616
01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:09,160
Speaker 1: right hand. They were staying in that center line and

1617
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:11,800
Speaker 1: they kept getting hit back and forth. They made their

1618
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:15,080
Speaker 1: adjustments and then It was Cowboy lanning, some big elbows

1619
01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:17,680
Speaker 1: from the clinch, some nice takedowns, back and forth, some

1620
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:21,120
Speaker 1: brutal ground and pound, nice stuff on the mat, just

1621
01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:23,360
Speaker 1: a back and forth war man.

1622
01:12:24,200 --> 01:12:25,080
Speaker 3: What a fight.

1623
01:12:25,160 --> 01:12:28,240
Speaker 1: And it went into the third round somehow, I don't

1624
01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:30,800
Speaker 1: know how, and in the end it was Maderi's getting

1625
01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:33,200
Speaker 1: to win. But this is one of those fights, and

1626
01:12:33,240 --> 01:12:35,920
Speaker 1: for Cowboy as well, but especially for Yancy Maderias where

1627
01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:39,639
Speaker 1: everyone will remember this fight, everyone remember where they were

1628
01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:42,240
Speaker 1: when they watched it, and a lot of people now

1629
01:12:42,240 --> 01:12:44,240
Speaker 1: have Maderis as one of their favorite fighters in the world,

1630
01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:44,920
Speaker 1: no doubt about that.

1631
01:12:45,479 --> 01:12:45,759
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1632
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:48,600
Speaker 5: No, the Hawaiian Yancy Maderis with a whole lot of

1633
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:51,479
Speaker 5: momentum right now. And that's what Alex Cowboy OLIVERI had

1634
01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:52,880
Speaker 5: going in. I mean, you remember what he did to

1635
01:12:52,920 --> 01:12:56,560
Speaker 5: Ryan Leflair on Long Island when Leflaire was a ranked welterweight.

1636
01:12:56,800 --> 01:12:59,880
Speaker 5: Cowboy was in the rankings. Now suffers his first loss

1637
01:12:59,880 --> 01:13:01,880
Speaker 5: I think at seventy at least in some time. Maybe

1638
01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:04,120
Speaker 5: that Sereni main event was actually a welterweight fight, but

1639
01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:06,760
Speaker 5: it was. Yeah, Cowboy's been on a tear and now

1640
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:09,680
Speaker 5: Yancy maderis makes it three straight wins here, all of

1641
01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:12,840
Speaker 5: them finishes, gets a bonus Fight of the Year. He's

1642
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:15,679
Speaker 5: gonna be ranked next week. And they got it working

1643
01:13:15,720 --> 01:13:17,840
Speaker 5: in Hawaii. Man, I know you gotta be tough to

1644
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:20,719
Speaker 5: win a fight like that as Nancy is. But great camp,

1645
01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:25,360
Speaker 5: great kid, and couldn't be happier for Yancy Maderi's also

1646
01:13:25,400 --> 01:13:28,120
Speaker 5: a big win for police Harry split decision over Courtney Casey.

1647
01:13:28,200 --> 01:13:31,439
Speaker 5: I did think she won rounds two and three. Nice

1648
01:13:31,439 --> 01:13:33,800
Speaker 5: moment for Amanda Cooper on fight pass in front of

1649
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:37,800
Speaker 5: her Michigan faithful. A couple other things that I have

1650
01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:40,120
Speaker 5: for you here on UFC two eighteen. And actually one

1651
01:13:40,160 --> 01:13:43,400
Speaker 5: fighter complained to me that his opponent was greasing.

1652
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:45,760
Speaker 3: How often is that going on? I mean, is that

1653
01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:48,360
Speaker 3: still a factor? I guess that. I guess.

1654
01:13:48,439 --> 01:13:50,439
Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing is where how they can get

1655
01:13:50,439 --> 01:13:52,559
Speaker 1: away with it? First of all, they're always checked, right,

1656
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:55,200
Speaker 1: You're not supposed to have any vasoline on your body.

1657
01:13:55,240 --> 01:13:59,200
Speaker 1: You can't even have hair jail, I think, so when

1658
01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:02,240
Speaker 1: you come out, the only person you will fight would wedding.

1659
01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:04,879
Speaker 1: If you saw my hair before, it was not a priority.

1660
01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:05,679
Speaker 3: It looked really bad.

1661
01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:08,000
Speaker 1: But you know now now you see, the only person

1662
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:09,680
Speaker 1: who's supposed to put vasilyine on your body is when

1663
01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:11,400
Speaker 1: you'd right come out it. Just come out to the

1664
01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:14,160
Speaker 1: cage where the cutman come out and put vassily in

1665
01:14:14,200 --> 01:14:16,599
Speaker 1: on your body. Because some guys would take it, put

1666
01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:18,120
Speaker 1: it on their shoulders, put on the body.

1667
01:14:18,200 --> 01:14:19,240
Speaker 3: The other thing that they'll do.

1668
01:14:19,200 --> 01:14:21,640
Speaker 1: Is sometimes they'll take a shower, they'll put oil on

1669
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:24,559
Speaker 1: their body, they'll dry up, and then once they start sweating,

1670
01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:26,639
Speaker 1: you know, you'll become very, very slippery.

1671
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:30,040
Speaker 3: So who was the person who who was acute? I

1672
01:14:30,280 --> 01:14:32,040
Speaker 3: I can't say, Oh, gotcha, gotcha?

1673
01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:35,439
Speaker 1: All right, all right, all right, well listen, people have

1674
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:37,800
Speaker 1: done it. Uh not a cool thing to do. Not

1675
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:40,320
Speaker 1: a good thing. Again, it's on the level of a

1676
01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:41,639
Speaker 1: ped in my opinion.

1677
01:14:42,120 --> 01:14:46,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, not cool. So uh yeah, I wish I could say,

1678
01:14:46,120 --> 01:14:47,479
Speaker 3: but you grease before.

1679
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:51,679
Speaker 5: Oh I am a greasy bastard right now, kid bastard

1680
01:14:51,720 --> 01:14:54,040
Speaker 5: spelled B A S T I D inst. By the way,

1681
01:14:55,200 --> 01:14:58,439
Speaker 5: Dominic reyis two and oh with two first round finishes.

1682
01:14:58,439 --> 01:15:00,280
Speaker 5: I'm telling you he is going to be ranked at

1683
01:15:00,280 --> 01:15:03,400
Speaker 5: some point in twenty eighteen. I think he might have

1684
01:15:03,479 --> 01:15:05,720
Speaker 5: a very bright future in the light heavyweight division. We've

1685
01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:07,639
Speaker 5: had him on our show. He was a great football player.

1686
01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:10,120
Speaker 5: He's a great fighter. He's got Joe Daddy Stevenson in

1687
01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:12,920
Speaker 5: his corner. He can grapple, he can strike, he's physical,

1688
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:14,920
Speaker 5: great frame for the division. He cuts down to two

1689
01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:17,559
Speaker 5: oh six, He's going to be a real problem. And

1690
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:19,519
Speaker 5: then I also just had a note here. So Justin

1691
01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:22,760
Speaker 5: Willis beats Alan Crowder, right, and then he fires his

1692
01:15:22,840 --> 01:15:25,400
Speaker 5: mouthpiece into the audience. And we've seen fighters do this

1693
01:15:25,479 --> 01:15:27,680
Speaker 5: a lot, and I don't even understand it, right, So

1694
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:31,040
Speaker 5: Rogan on the broadcast, he's like, dude, these guys fire

1695
01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:33,400
Speaker 5: and their mouthpieces into the crowd. I think Joe said

1696
01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:36,360
Speaker 5: something like, dude, I'd be ducking that thing like it

1697
01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:38,080
Speaker 5: was an AIDS bomb or something.

1698
01:15:38,360 --> 01:15:39,200
Speaker 3: It's disgusting.

1699
01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:44,120
Speaker 1: I mean basically, basically a fighter is spitting on people

1700
01:15:44,160 --> 01:15:48,599
Speaker 1: in the crowd. Yeah, do they think someone wants their mouthguard? Hey,

1701
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:51,200
Speaker 1: people will want this. There's my mouthguard.

1702
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:54,840
Speaker 5: It's weird now, Yeah, it is weird. By the way,

1703
01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:57,000
Speaker 5: can I have Can I have one of your mouthguards?

1704
01:15:57,040 --> 01:15:57,200
Speaker 6: Though?

1705
01:15:57,200 --> 01:15:59,880
Speaker 3: From your career? Actually, dude, no way, what.

1706
01:15:59,920 --> 01:16:02,280
Speaker 1: You gonna put You're gonna put it in your mouth,

1707
01:16:02,280 --> 01:16:03,720
Speaker 1: so you won't grind your teeth that night or what?

1708
01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:05,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.

1709
01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:07,920
Speaker 5: I think maybe I'll have you sign it and I'll

1710
01:16:08,439 --> 01:16:11,800
Speaker 5: get it away to one of these fine listeners. All right,

1711
01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:13,960
Speaker 5: So last thing, just because we didn't hit on it

1712
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:16,000
Speaker 5: all that often. What's going on in the world of

1713
01:16:16,040 --> 01:16:19,240
Speaker 5: Connor McGregor. What can you tell me about Connor? Is

1714
01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:22,360
Speaker 5: the Halloway fight more likely than the Ferguson one? I mean,

1715
01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:25,479
Speaker 5: what's the malanage business that Halloway's bringing up at the

1716
01:16:25,479 --> 01:16:26,320
Speaker 5: press conference?

1717
01:16:26,520 --> 01:16:27,040
Speaker 1: Uh?

1718
01:16:27,320 --> 01:16:29,679
Speaker 5: What what do you think is next for Connor McGregor?

1719
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:30,519
Speaker 5: And what are you hearing?

1720
01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:33,120
Speaker 3: Kid? I know you got your ear to the pavement, kid.

1721
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:36,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, I hope it's not a Molnagy fight, boxing

1722
01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:37,600
Speaker 1: or m m A.

1723
01:16:38,160 --> 01:16:39,280
Speaker 3: I don't want to see that fight.

1724
01:16:39,560 --> 01:16:41,960
Speaker 1: I also hope it's not a boxing fight against anybody

1725
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:43,680
Speaker 1: you know, always trying to get him out of it.

1726
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:44,160
Speaker 3: Stop.

1727
01:16:44,360 --> 01:16:47,160
Speaker 1: Stop, That's not what you do, dude. Get back to

1728
01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:49,639
Speaker 1: what you do best. That's mixed martial arts. What I'm

1729
01:16:49,720 --> 01:16:55,280
Speaker 1: hearing is a potential fight in March against Tony That's

1730
01:16:55,320 --> 01:16:56,080
Speaker 1: what I'm hearing.

1731
01:16:56,680 --> 01:17:00,519
Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, that would be absolute fire. Obviously.

1732
01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:03,759
Speaker 1: You know a lot needs to get done. But that's

1733
01:17:03,800 --> 01:17:06,639
Speaker 1: what I'm hearing is he's preparing for a fight in March.

1734
01:17:06,680 --> 01:17:09,800
Speaker 1: I think Connor McGregor is definitely enjoying his time, uh,

1735
01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:12,320
Speaker 1: just kind of relaxing. He's got quite a bit of

1736
01:17:12,320 --> 01:17:14,160
Speaker 1: money in the bank and a lot of people saying,

1737
01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:16,640
Speaker 1: you know, the whole thing with with you know, the

1738
01:17:16,680 --> 01:17:19,200
Speaker 1: situation of him maybe slapping up some guy in a

1739
01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:22,320
Speaker 1: club or whatever, and that he was in uh big

1740
01:17:22,360 --> 01:17:26,759
Speaker 1: time trouble. I assure you that Conor McGregor, of all people,

1741
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:32,040
Speaker 1: is very well protected and no one's gonna touch that guy. Yeah,

1742
01:17:32,040 --> 01:17:34,960
Speaker 1: so I think I think he's I think he's just fine.

1743
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:36,600
Speaker 1: For people are saying, oh, you better get out of

1744
01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:38,200
Speaker 1: the country, and he's gonna do that. He might get

1745
01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:40,400
Speaker 1: out of the country, but it's not because him or

1746
01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:43,519
Speaker 1: his family are in danger. I assure you, Uh, he's

1747
01:17:43,720 --> 01:17:45,479
Speaker 1: very well protected and it will be just fine.

1748
01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:48,439
Speaker 5: And if Ken Flow can afford a security detail walking

1749
01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:51,120
Speaker 5: from a Rocky BEJJ to his Porsche, then you can

1750
01:17:51,160 --> 01:17:53,480
Speaker 5: be sure that Connor McGregor.

1751
01:17:53,560 --> 01:17:54,559
Speaker 3: It's more than a detail.

1752
01:17:54,680 --> 01:17:57,759
Speaker 1: He's got more than a detail, and I think, uh, yeah,

1753
01:17:57,800 --> 01:17:58,320
Speaker 1: he'll be good.

1754
01:17:58,439 --> 01:18:00,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, we did not have time to talk

1755
01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:03,200
Speaker 5: about the Ultimate Fighter finale, and we need to get

1756
01:18:03,240 --> 01:18:06,400
Speaker 5: to the Fresno show, So I just will quickly congratulate

1757
01:18:06,479 --> 01:18:10,600
Speaker 5: the new inaugural UFC Women's flyweight Champion, Nico Montano. She

1758
01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:14,439
Speaker 5: gets the better of Roxanne Modiferry on the scorecards there.

1759
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:17,639
Speaker 5: Congrats to the Sugar Show Sean O'Malley. Big win over

1760
01:18:17,720 --> 01:18:19,400
Speaker 5: Terry on Ware. I like to wear kid too, and

1761
01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:20,680
Speaker 5: I thought he showed you a lot of skill and

1762
01:18:20,720 --> 01:18:22,680
Speaker 5: a lot of heart and defeat there. Big win for

1763
01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:26,400
Speaker 5: Gerald Mershart with the body shot, Ryan Janes with a

1764
01:18:26,439 --> 01:18:30,640
Speaker 5: comeback against Andrew Sanchez just absolutely absurd. And last, but

1765
01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:34,479
Speaker 5: certainly not least, how about Brett John's with a thirty

1766
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:38,800
Speaker 5: second calf slicer to get the jiu jitsu credential Joe

1767
01:18:38,840 --> 01:18:40,360
Speaker 5: Soto out of there. Kenny, I don't know if you

1768
01:18:40,400 --> 01:18:44,200
Speaker 5: saw it, but that cannot be fun. That's a quick

1769
01:18:44,200 --> 01:18:47,240
Speaker 5: tap out of Soto. Rogan was saying, that doesn't feel good.

1770
01:18:47,240 --> 01:18:48,200
Speaker 5: I can't imagine it does.

1771
01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:51,240
Speaker 1: It was a cool submission, man. In some cases, when

1772
01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:53,120
Speaker 1: you go for a calf slicer, your own knee could

1773
01:18:53,120 --> 01:18:56,080
Speaker 1: be in danger. We see some people injure their own knee.

1774
01:18:56,479 --> 01:18:59,360
Speaker 1: But either way, yeah, it's like your knee is about

1775
01:18:59,400 --> 01:19:01,400
Speaker 1: to explode. That's the kind of feeling. It's a lot

1776
01:19:01,439 --> 01:19:04,200
Speaker 1: of pain in the back of your calf, almost like

1777
01:19:04,240 --> 01:19:06,880
Speaker 1: you're it's a consistent leg kick, but your knee just

1778
01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:08,799
Speaker 1: feels like it's just gonna blow apart.

1779
01:19:08,960 --> 01:19:11,120
Speaker 3: And not a fun submission to be in.

1780
01:19:11,479 --> 01:19:11,599
Speaker 5: Uh.

1781
01:19:11,640 --> 01:19:14,639
Speaker 3: And Joe Soto is very very sharp on the ground.

1782
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:16,880
Speaker 1: He's a guy who's known fresh submissions and known for

1783
01:19:16,920 --> 01:19:20,080
Speaker 1: his legs submissions. Particularly the fact that John's hit that

1784
01:19:21,080 --> 01:19:24,840
Speaker 1: very slick uh calf slicer was was very impressive.

1785
01:19:25,439 --> 01:19:27,960
Speaker 5: All Right, big weekend with the back to back shows

1786
01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:31,360
Speaker 5: for the MMA Leader, and we spin it forward now

1787
01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:35,880
Speaker 5: because this stretch of ten live events in nine weeks

1788
01:19:35,960 --> 01:19:39,600
Speaker 5: time continues in Fresno, California, Octagon in Fresno for the

1789
01:19:39,640 --> 01:19:42,920
Speaker 5: first time, and Flow is jones in to make some picks.

1790
01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:45,160
Speaker 3: So let's get to the main event challenge.

1791
01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:47,800
Speaker 4: It's the main event challenge.

1792
01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:54,120
Speaker 1: The time is most definitely fish fine.

1793
01:19:55,160 --> 01:19:56,479
Speaker 3: How do you everything both will to.

1794
01:19:56,520 --> 01:20:01,800
Speaker 4: Win the main event Challenge? John Hanna Kenny Florian Podcast.

1795
01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:05,000
Speaker 5: All right, first, we're gonna recap these standings here Team

1796
01:20:05,040 --> 01:20:07,639
Speaker 5: Florian led Team Annic ninety one eighty five, going into

1797
01:20:07,720 --> 01:20:10,120
Speaker 5: UFC two eighteen. Flow went head to head with listener

1798
01:20:10,160 --> 01:20:13,640
Speaker 5: Mattie O'Neil. If you recall, they each made nine selections

1799
01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:17,719
Speaker 5: for UFC two eighteen. Any guys finished tied at seven.

1800
01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:20,519
Speaker 5: You were perfect on the FS one prelims. Flow, despite

1801
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:23,400
Speaker 5: sending out a couple, loses on Joseido and Justin Gaechee.

1802
01:20:23,439 --> 01:20:27,000
Speaker 5: So Team Florian leads it ninety eight ninety two, heading

1803
01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:30,840
Speaker 5: into UFC Fresno and joining us to make picks for

1804
01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:36,639
Speaker 5: this weekend's card. UFC commentator father identical twin, John Annick

1805
01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:37,639
Speaker 5: is with us.

1806
01:20:38,240 --> 01:20:41,240
Speaker 3: John, how are you you know?

1807
01:20:41,320 --> 01:20:44,639
Speaker 5: I'm fucking great today, but I'm not fucking around anymore.

1808
01:20:44,720 --> 01:20:47,920
Speaker 5: It's December, it's crunch time, and all we really need

1809
01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:51,280
Speaker 5: are some opposite plays right now to try to win

1810
01:20:51,320 --> 01:20:54,080
Speaker 5: this thing. So Team Annick going from here on out,

1811
01:20:54,240 --> 01:20:57,280
Speaker 5: It'll either be me, but if I'm calling fights, that's

1812
01:20:57,320 --> 01:20:57,960
Speaker 5: not gonna happen.

1813
01:20:58,080 --> 01:21:00,920
Speaker 3: So it's gonna be Vegas handicapped the rest of the month.

1814
01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:03,240
Speaker 5: With respect to our lovely listeners, sar oh, you know

1815
01:21:03,280 --> 01:21:04,840
Speaker 5: what I promised a listener he could come on for

1816
01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:06,479
Speaker 5: Winnipeg's We're gonna have to figure that out.

1817
01:21:07,160 --> 01:21:09,000
Speaker 3: But I'm picking second, and we're.

1818
01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:10,680
Speaker 5: Going opposite place today and make a pick for the

1819
01:21:10,680 --> 01:21:13,080
Speaker 5: first time since the two ZO nine bet March of

1820
01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:18,599
Speaker 5: twenty sixteen. So with that said, main card bout Marlon

1821
01:21:18,680 --> 01:21:21,280
Speaker 5: Medice al Jamaine Sterling, but I stepping in here for

1822
01:21:21,400 --> 01:21:24,439
Speaker 5: Ronni Yaya and not all that far remove can flow

1823
01:21:24,479 --> 01:21:27,000
Speaker 5: from the split decision win over John Dodson that was

1824
01:21:27,040 --> 01:21:30,320
Speaker 5: twenty three days ago in Norfolk, Virginia, That of course

1825
01:21:30,320 --> 01:21:32,600
Speaker 5: followed a split decision loss in his UFC debut to

1826
01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:36,000
Speaker 5: Halfe Alasunsao in Brazil in June, all of which followed

1827
01:21:36,200 --> 01:21:39,320
Speaker 5: this thirteen fight winning streak that got Medice to the UFC.

1828
01:21:40,040 --> 01:21:42,280
Speaker 5: So here he is minus one eighty five, as we said,

1829
01:21:42,280 --> 01:21:45,320
Speaker 5: Al Jamaine Sterling coming back at plus one fifty. Fourth

1830
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:48,840
Speaker 5: fight of the year for Sterling. Last four fights though,

1831
01:21:49,120 --> 01:21:52,080
Speaker 5: have gone the distance, split decision losses to Brian Caraway

1832
01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:56,240
Speaker 5: and half Ay Alasunsal, followed by dominant unanimous decision nods

1833
01:21:56,280 --> 01:21:58,679
Speaker 5: over Augusto Mendez and Hennan Burrow.

1834
01:21:59,040 --> 01:22:02,120
Speaker 3: So ken flow Sterling made which way you go?

1835
01:22:02,439 --> 01:22:04,839
Speaker 1: Well listen now, I think Sterling definitely has the advantage

1836
01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:06,679
Speaker 1: on the ground. I think if Sterling's able to take

1837
01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:09,400
Speaker 1: this to the to the ground and do it consistently,

1838
01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:12,479
Speaker 1: Sterling will win this fight, and quite possibly by finish

1839
01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:16,120
Speaker 1: on the mat with the submission. However, Mariys, I think,

1840
01:22:16,200 --> 01:22:19,720
Speaker 1: is just a phenomenal striker who's very well versed and

1841
01:22:19,920 --> 01:22:22,479
Speaker 1: knowledgeable when it comes to distance control, keeping guys on

1842
01:22:22,520 --> 01:22:26,960
Speaker 1: the outside and throwing variety without giving up takedowns. And

1843
01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:28,559
Speaker 1: if you do get Maris down to the matt he's

1844
01:22:28,600 --> 01:22:30,160
Speaker 1: very good at getting back to his feet as well.

1845
01:22:30,200 --> 01:22:33,559
Speaker 3: So however, I'm a little nervous about this quick tron.

1846
01:22:33,680 --> 01:22:36,080
Speaker 1: It can come back to bite him a little bit,

1847
01:22:36,120 --> 01:22:39,479
Speaker 1: especially gainst a tough fighter like a Sterling. This is

1848
01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:42,680
Speaker 1: a tough one for me. I'm a Sterling fan, but

1849
01:22:42,680 --> 01:22:45,479
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Marias here. I do believe that

1850
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:47,479
Speaker 1: this is a very special fighter who will one day

1851
01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:49,120
Speaker 1: be a champion in that division.

1852
01:22:49,680 --> 01:22:51,519
Speaker 5: All right, and I will take al Jamaine Sterling as

1853
01:22:51,520 --> 01:22:54,439
Speaker 5: the underdog for the opposite pick there, pretty simple co

1854
01:22:54,640 --> 01:22:58,559
Speaker 5: main event Jason Knight. He had one four straight before

1855
01:22:58,600 --> 01:23:01,639
Speaker 5: being humbled there by Hikarda. Oh what am I calling him?

1856
01:23:01,720 --> 01:23:04,880
Speaker 5: Hiccardo for I mean, Jesus brain is just steamed out

1857
01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:09,120
Speaker 5: Ricardo Lamas and it was inside around in July, by

1858
01:23:09,160 --> 01:23:11,639
Speaker 5: the way, as Mississippi Mean goes down, but he returns

1859
01:23:11,680 --> 01:23:17,520
Speaker 5: here against the American Kickboxing Academy Rep. Gabriel Mowgli Benitez.

1860
01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:20,400
Speaker 5: He's lost two of his last three. Knight minus two

1861
01:23:20,520 --> 01:23:23,879
Speaker 5: sixty five Mowgli plus two h five flow.

1862
01:23:24,160 --> 01:23:24,800
Speaker 3: Who will it be?

1863
01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:26,960
Speaker 1: Well, you're in South Florida, which is like little Brazil.

1864
01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:28,280
Speaker 1: That's why you called him Hiccardo.

1865
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:30,120
Speaker 3: You know that's right. I understand that.

1866
01:23:30,240 --> 01:23:33,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, Uh, in Brazil he's a Cardo. Well, listen, I

1867
01:23:33,360 --> 01:23:34,720
Speaker 1: think that uh.

1868
01:23:34,920 --> 01:23:35,479
Speaker 3: I think that.

1869
01:23:35,680 --> 01:23:38,840
Speaker 1: Jason Knight learned a lot from that fight against Lamas.

1870
01:23:39,120 --> 01:23:42,240
Speaker 1: I don't know a whole lot about Benitez. I think

1871
01:23:42,320 --> 01:23:45,439
Speaker 1: he's tough. I think he's a pretty good striker. I

1872
01:23:45,479 --> 01:23:47,479
Speaker 1: think if Knight finds a way to take this to

1873
01:23:47,560 --> 01:23:49,400
Speaker 1: the Matt, I think it's gonna be all night. I

1874
01:23:49,400 --> 01:23:50,960
Speaker 1: think Night wins this by submission.

1875
01:23:52,200 --> 01:23:54,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, Mississippi Mean is no joke, and I think it's

1876
01:23:54,400 --> 01:23:56,240
Speaker 5: a bad time to be fighting him, given the way

1877
01:23:56,240 --> 01:23:58,320
Speaker 5: that Lamas fight went down. I can tell you when

1878
01:23:58,360 --> 01:24:02,760
Speaker 5: it comes to Mowgli Benitez. He's had some extenuating circumstances

1879
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:04,439
Speaker 5: before some of his UFC losses that.

1880
01:24:04,400 --> 01:24:08,200
Speaker 3: Haven't been ideal. You can take that for whatever it's worth.

1881
01:24:08,360 --> 01:24:11,320
Speaker 5: I will tell you that Javier Mendez told me before

1882
01:24:11,320 --> 01:24:14,160
Speaker 5: the Andre Feeley fight that the hardest kicker he has

1883
01:24:14,200 --> 01:24:16,920
Speaker 5: ever held pads for is not Luke Rockold, It's not

1884
01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:21,040
Speaker 5: Cane Belasquez, It's Gabrielbanitez. So we'll see if he can

1885
01:24:21,080 --> 01:24:23,160
Speaker 5: get that power kicking game going this weekend.

1886
01:24:23,200 --> 01:24:26,120
Speaker 3: I'm not sure. What I am sure of is that

1887
01:24:26,200 --> 01:24:27,960
Speaker 3: my fat ass is trailing in the standing.

1888
01:24:28,040 --> 01:24:31,400
Speaker 5: So we're taking Gabrielbanitez at plus two OZH five.

1889
01:24:31,640 --> 01:24:31,880
Speaker 6: All right.

1890
01:24:31,960 --> 01:24:36,519
Speaker 5: Main event, Cub Swanson Brian Ortega. My favorite nickname in

1891
01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:40,040
Speaker 5: the game is T City close here according to Vegas

1892
01:24:40,040 --> 01:24:42,960
Speaker 5: Flow Swanson minus one twenty t City minus one ten

1893
01:24:43,240 --> 01:24:45,800
Speaker 5: first UFC main event for Brian Ortega. He's also still

1894
01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:50,040
Speaker 5: undefeated four straight third round finishes for Brian Ortega. You

1895
01:24:50,080 --> 01:24:51,920
Speaker 5: guys are going to probably say that a million times

1896
01:24:51,960 --> 01:24:54,160
Speaker 5: on TV this weekend. He's the first man in UFC

1897
01:24:54,240 --> 01:24:57,400
Speaker 5: history to accomplish that, and it speaks to his ability

1898
01:24:57,439 --> 01:24:59,960
Speaker 5: to rally in the case of his last win agains

1899
01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:02,559
Speaker 5: Henato Moykano, and it just speaks to I think his

1900
01:25:02,640 --> 01:25:07,559
Speaker 5: finishing ability as a whole and his desire in pursuit

1901
01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:11,559
Speaker 5: of those finishes. He's also beat good competition Kenny, Tiago Tavoras,

1902
01:25:11,560 --> 01:25:14,160
Speaker 5: Diego Brandel, Clay Guido, one of your victims, and of

1903
01:25:14,200 --> 01:25:17,559
Speaker 5: course most recently Henato Moykano. So this is a Brazilian

1904
01:25:17,640 --> 01:25:20,479
Speaker 5: killer here. Three of those last four wins against Brazil.

1905
01:25:20,960 --> 01:25:24,320
Speaker 5: Now he draws the roster staple Killer Cup Swanson. Ten

1906
01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:27,800
Speaker 5: UFC wins for Swanson against just three losses to Ricardo Lamas,

1907
01:25:27,800 --> 01:25:31,000
Speaker 5: Frank Edgar and Max Holloway. Swanson's won four straight. Kenny

1908
01:25:31,520 --> 01:25:34,400
Speaker 5: might have even gotten that opportunity against Max Holloway last

1909
01:25:34,400 --> 01:25:37,479
Speaker 5: weekend if Jose Aldo wasn't game, and maybe he gets

1910
01:25:37,479 --> 01:25:39,360
Speaker 5: another crack at Max. If he can win here with

1911
01:25:39,400 --> 01:25:42,439
Speaker 5: some style points against t City, he is slightly favored

1912
01:25:42,479 --> 01:25:44,880
Speaker 5: to do. So your thoughts on this main event in

1913
01:25:44,920 --> 01:25:47,320
Speaker 5: Fresno and ultimately who will get it done.

1914
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:50,439
Speaker 1: This is another one a lot like Gatechi and Alvarez.

1915
01:25:50,479 --> 01:25:53,720
Speaker 1: Both these guys really only know how to fight one way,

1916
01:25:54,320 --> 01:25:56,479
Speaker 1: and that's exciting and I think this is going to

1917
01:25:56,520 --> 01:25:58,040
Speaker 1: be a phenomenal main event in Fresno.

1918
01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:00,760
Speaker 3: Ortega is a huge featherweight man.

1919
01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:03,479
Speaker 1: He really also has really improved his boxing, did a

1920
01:26:03,479 --> 01:26:05,840
Speaker 1: good job of getting his jab going in his last fight.

1921
01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:09,480
Speaker 3: However, he kind of starts late a lot.

1922
01:26:09,760 --> 01:26:11,280
Speaker 1: During his fights. I don't know if he can do

1923
01:26:11,280 --> 01:26:13,759
Speaker 1: that here against Cub Swanson. He does have the advantage

1924
01:26:13,760 --> 01:26:15,920
Speaker 1: of this being a five round fight, and I think

1925
01:26:15,960 --> 01:26:17,040
Speaker 1: the longer this fight.

1926
01:26:16,920 --> 01:26:19,200
Speaker 3: Goes, it probably favors Ortega.

1927
01:26:19,680 --> 01:26:21,960
Speaker 1: If the fight goes to the mat, or Tega is

1928
01:26:21,960 --> 01:26:24,320
Speaker 1: gonna have a huge advantage here, or Tega is just

1929
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Speaker 1: very sharp with his submissions. I could see him submitting

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Speaker 1: Cubs Swanson. However, I think Cub right now is fighting

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Speaker 1: with a kind of passion and motivation that we haven't

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Speaker 1: seen in a very long time. I think he's become

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Speaker 1: sharper as a fighter. He's been crossed training a lot

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Speaker 1: with TJ. Dillashaw, and you see it. I think that

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Speaker 1: he looks a lot better. I think we're gonna see

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Speaker 1: some new weapons in his arsenal. I think he's been

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Speaker 1: fighting smarter as well. I'm gonna go with Cub Swanson

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Speaker 1: here in this one. I hate going against my buddy Ortega,

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Speaker 1: but Cub Swanson I think is just a little bit

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Speaker 1: better here at this point their careers.

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Speaker 3: All right, And for some extra credit, you got a

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Speaker 3: round or a method for right.

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Speaker 1: That's right, Let's go with third round Cup Swanson.

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Speaker 3: Round three TKO, third round TKO.

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Speaker 5: Hey, Swanson is the pick, and because I need to

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Speaker 5: give out an opposite play, it will be Brian Ortega

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Speaker 5: and we will go with a submission in the fourth round.

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Speaker 3: Oh so we'll see how it goes.

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Speaker 5: And this main event challenge could be over if I

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Speaker 5: don't pick up some points this weekend. But notice how

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Speaker 5: I didn't completely put the integrity of this competition in

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Speaker 5: question by making you pick a bunch of these prelims

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Speaker 5: in Fresno that are not high profile fights. I had

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Speaker 5: you pick nine fights for UFC two eighteen because we

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Speaker 5: were loaded and there were a lot of big fights,

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Speaker 5: right Torres, And excuse me, Courtney Casey and Felice Herrig

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Speaker 5: was the first prelim on FS one. But they're both

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Speaker 5: in the top eleven, so that's why you gave right.

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Speaker 5: So I mean, you know it's not all right. So

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Speaker 5: again we're trying to sort of abide by the uh,

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Speaker 5: the loose rules of this main event, shouts all right,

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Speaker 5: that is gonna do it uh for this week. Thank

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Speaker 5: you to our guest Henry Shuto and Ray Longo. Thank

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Speaker 5: it everybody at Fox Digital. Thank you to our intern

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Speaker 5: Avery as well, who I'm told actually was the one

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Speaker 5: who put that Longo video intro together. So got to

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Speaker 5: pass that praise from Wahsauric to Avery there on the

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Speaker 5: way out. Next week, as we mentioned, former UFC Welchway

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Speaker 5: champion all around good Egg Matt Sarah, friend of the program,

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Speaker 5: gonna be with us. He'll probably be live from from

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Speaker 5: a studio, so it might even sound really good too.

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Speaker 5: We're gonna keep that Francis in Ganu Tak going. You

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Speaker 5: can be damn sure next week as well, see if

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Speaker 5: step A has heard.

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Speaker 3: From it all.

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Speaker 5: Between now and next Monday, we'll also recap Fresno and

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Speaker 5: of course look ahead to the Winnipeg show on Big

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Speaker 5: Fox and what is an absolutely killer main event between

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Speaker 5: Robbi Lawler and Halfayel Dosanjo. So with that for the flow,

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Speaker 5: who is off to may Rocky b j J. Get

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Speaker 5: on the mats, people, get the geeze out. Last time

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Speaker 5: I wore my gee was for Hallo fucking Wei, but

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Speaker 5: Ken flows on TV this week and I am thankfully

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Speaker 5: going to sit home with some recreational drugs and just chill.

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Speaker 3: Out, I think is what we're going to do this weekend.

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Speaker 5: All right with that for Camp Flop, John, and thank

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Speaker 5: you all for listening, Thank you for watching on YouTube,

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Speaker 5: Foxsports dot Com as well.

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Speaker 3: Until next Monday. We love you.

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Speaker 4: You'll later the John nik and Kenny Florian podcast.

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