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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds, and six and ten americans think that

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Speaker 1: the new GOP tax law, the BBB will do more

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Speaker 1: to hurt than help low income people. We have such

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Speaker 1: a great show for you today. Notice his own Evan mcmorros.

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Speaker 1: Santorro stops by to talk about the continued fallout from

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Speaker 1: the GOP is Ebstein crisis. Then we'll talk to Wisconsin

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Speaker 1: Senator Tammy Baldwin about the GOP's recision package, which they

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Speaker 1: passed in the dead of night and the effects that

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Speaker 1: it will have on the American people. But first the

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Speaker 2: This recision package is really really bad. At codifies nine

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Speaker 2: billion in DOGE cuts, and it seems like the Democrats

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Speaker 2: I don't know, is this leadership just this roll over

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Speaker 2: and die? Like what do you see here?

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Speaker 1: I know what you see here? You see it. Grace

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Speaker 1: is in leadership.

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Speaker 2: I mean I know what I've read.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk about this nine billion dollars. The goal

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Speaker 1: to pull back some foreign aid. Democrats could have dragged

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Speaker 1: this out for much longer than Trump would have. First

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Speaker 1: of all, it would have been a failure for Trump,

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Speaker 1: which in itself would have been good. There was a

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Speaker 1: and that would have helped. I don't know why it

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Speaker 1: would have been, it would have been something. It would

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Speaker 1: have been some kind of win. Look, Democrats can't do

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Speaker 1: you're maybe you're not in power, but you can drag

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Speaker 1: it us out. You can make people more unhappy. You

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Speaker 1: can make them miss long weekend. There's if there's one

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Speaker 1: thing that members of Congress hate, it's missing long travel weekends.

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Speaker 1: It's being inconvenience, it's missing their flights. They can do

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Speaker 1: doing them. And this is a failure on the part

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Speaker 1: of leadership in both houses. And it's a real question

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Speaker 1: to me if you I mean, I just want everyone

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Speaker 1: and ask yourself, what would Mitch mcconnald do. Would Mitch

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Speaker 2: Somali. We really love polls when they validate hypothesises I've

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Speaker 2: long held, which is that a lot of the voters

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Speaker 2: and one of the reasons Democrats lose elections when they're

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Speaker 2: on a national level seems to be that a lot

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Speaker 2: of the left stays home when they don't put progressive

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Speaker 2: candidates up for these national roles. And a new poll

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Speaker 2: validates that voters want more candidates like Bernie and AOC,

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Speaker 2: and that's why they skip the twenty twenty four election.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So this is what I think both of us have

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Speaker 1: This is what Cylinda Lake says. She was a Biden bolster,

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Speaker 1: White House. The conventional wisdom is really wrong on these voters,

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Speaker 1: as pollsters Cylinda Lake. They want leaders who will fight

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Speaker 1: this poll. Perhaps unsurprisingly, the politicians most popular among voters

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I believe it was Thomas Frank who

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Speaker 1: Look, the whole point here is to make it so

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Speaker 1: one thing that might save healthcare in this country is

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Speaker 1: that Republicans are hoping to have these cuts come in

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Speaker 1: they want to win the midterms. This is incredibly dishonest,

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Speaker 1: but that's what the brand here is is just rank dishonesty.

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Speaker 1: but it's just completely shitty and fucked up and insane.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, speaking of insanity, tariffs, our prices are going up

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know you're shocked to hear this.

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Speaker 2: This was basically one of those articles I could have

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Speaker 1: We know they already said that, It's just that the

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Speaker 1: here we are, ladies and gentlemen. This is it. This

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Speaker 1: is where we go. This is Tariffs are inflationary. Tariffs

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Speaker 1: everything was getting more expensive because of tariffs. You know,

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Speaker 1: that tariffs will help us. Okay, twelve piece pots and

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Speaker 1: This is what we kept saying was going to happen.

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Speaker 3: You did so. At my previous employer one time I

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Speaker 3: way by these supposed deep state actors, etc. And I

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Speaker 3: think that that is a more political danger if you're

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Speaker 3: a Trump supporter, because the problem is people are saying

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Speaker 3: that Trump is weak. Now these magat people are not

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Speaker 3: saying Trump is in on it. They are not saying

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Speaker 3: Trump is somehow a liar. They're saying he's like week

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Speaker 3: or not paying attention. And that kind of thing can

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Speaker 3: derail this president all the time, and that makes it

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Speaker 3: very difficult to focus on the things that they want

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Speaker 3: to focus on.

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Speaker 1: Another really fucked up thing happened this week Thursday night,

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Speaker 1: which was Sherry Redstone, stalwart of American democracy. She is

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Speaker 1: the queen of standing up for journalistic integrity, a NEPO

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Speaker 1: baby to put us all to shame. She did, in

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Speaker 1: fact cancel Cobert the highest rated, highest rated, certainly very

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Speaker 1: high rated for History and free Fall, and she canceled

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Speaker 1: it because it's a financial decision and has nothing to

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Speaker 1: do with the fact that Donald Trump hates Stephen Colbert.

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Speaker 3: Discuss We're in an absolutely remarkable moment when it comes

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Speaker 3: to this, because one of the things that has been important,

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Speaker 3: you know, is that that's important about these places to

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Speaker 3: make money, right, is the idea that they are not

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Speaker 3: beholden to like the politics and the government. Right, you

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Speaker 3: want your news division, your newspeople that we you know,

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Speaker 3: no fear or favor. We'll just go out there and

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Speaker 3: say we have to say. You know, the idea that

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Speaker 3: you were going to possibly have fired a late night

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Speaker 3: host because they're not nice enough to the president. I

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Speaker 3: don't really know how that gives you credibility with an

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Speaker 3: audience down the line, you know what I mean. Like,

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Speaker 3: it's a very strange change. And again, look, GBS is

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Speaker 3: not saying that this is what happened, right, They're saying, Look,

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Speaker 3: they are absolutely saying happened right. He wasn't making money anymore,

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Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera. But this like.

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Speaker 1: Her fourth offense, right, because we had sixty minutes. The

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Speaker 1: executive producer left and then Scott Pelly got on there

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Speaker 1: and said he left because our content is being supervised

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Speaker 1: in ways it has never been before. Okay, so then

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Speaker 1: we have settling the lawsuit, this scurrilous lawsuit. I mean,

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Speaker 1: there's no reason to believe that my favorite Redstone NEPO

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Speaker 1: baby is acting out of her own belief in you know,

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Speaker 1: her own want to make a dial dollar. No.

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Speaker 3: I mean even the South Park guys, we're like, this

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Speaker 3: merger is totally fucked and we are having a really

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Speaker 3: hard time dealing with this, and you know, there's some

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Speaker 3: question about this. The thing that comes out in the

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Speaker 3: end is what do you have to market after this?

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Speaker 3: Like if you have turned yourself into this network that

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Speaker 3: is very clearly suggesting that you have a political bent

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Speaker 3: that is, like, you know, towards the mega side of things,

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Speaker 3: or your support you know, you know, you're supporting this

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Speaker 3: president and his and his allies. What like, at what

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Speaker 3: point does this become a danger to your profits and

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Speaker 3: ability to do your job as a network. And I

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Speaker 3: think that that is that that is the big question

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Speaker 3: that we're dealing with here, because you know, a lot

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Speaker 3: of this is, you know, the fact that you're putting

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Speaker 3: this pressure on reports. It's really sad. People are Scott Pelly,

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Speaker 3: you know, incredibly prominent journalists leaving and and and and

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Speaker 3: saying this stuff is incredibly sad and dangerous. But there's

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Speaker 3: also the aspect of like, what is the long term

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Speaker 3: impact of this, right, what is the long term impact

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Speaker 3: of buying into the idea that came from the right

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Speaker 3: that you have an entire network that is carrying the

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Speaker 3: water for the Democrats or carrying the water for the

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Speaker 3: left or whatever. Again, ask the Democrats if they think

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Speaker 3: that that was true, and they will tell you now like, hey,

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Speaker 3: we'll not telling you that that that's happening. But now

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Speaker 3: you have a network saying actually, okay, maybe you're right,

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Speaker 3: and now we're going to like, actually, look like we're

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Speaker 3: carrying water for a side. And what makes that really

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Speaker 3: challenging is I don't know what that means for my

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Speaker 3: business down the road. I don't know what it means

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Speaker 3: if one of the premier brands in my industry decides, actually,

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Speaker 3: we are going to carry water. Now, we are going

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Speaker 3: to do it. We'll just see what happens. This is

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Speaker 3: seeing what happens could really mean both the demise of

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Speaker 3: really good news obviously from thatject you know that perspective,

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Speaker 3: but also the demise of like the idea of what

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Speaker 3: the news business is, and that is it's very very

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Speaker 3: dangerous and very scary. I don't know really what to

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Speaker 3: say about it. When it comes to Colbert, this is

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Speaker 3: all sort of like very high level entertainment level stuff.

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Speaker 3: I do think that people who are connecting the dots

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Speaker 3: between one of the most prominent and effective Trump critics

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Speaker 3: and being fired in the middle of a lawsuit in

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Speaker 3: which millions of dollars are extracted from that network for

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Speaker 3: critical of Trump. You know, I can see how those

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Speaker 3: doctor connected.

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Speaker 1: I definitely Evan, fellow hyphenate. Yes, will you come back?

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Speaker 1: Because we both have hyphenated names. You got it right,

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Speaker 1: fellow hyphenate? Oh really, Jack, will you come back?

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Speaker 3: Oh? This this is great. I've been wanting to do

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Speaker 3: this for a long time. Anytime.

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Speaker 1: Evan McMorris Santuro is a reporter from Notice. Tammy Baldwin

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Speaker 1: is the junior Senator from Wisconsin. Welcome back to Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: Senator Tammy Baldwin.

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Speaker 4: It is so great to join you again.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with what's happening in the Senate with the

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Speaker 1: Recisions package and what that means.

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Speaker 4: So let's put a little context on recisions because it's

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Speaker 4: super wonky. But every year, Cogres and the Senate in particular,

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Speaker 4: goes through a process of setting the budget the funding

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Speaker 4: levels for all the agencies, and we in the Senate

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Speaker 4: usually do that on a really bypart of basis and

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Speaker 4: then what happened in this recision package is that Donald

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Speaker 4: Trump and Republicans sort of said, oh, we don't like

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Speaker 4: what we just agreed to in these certain areas. We

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Speaker 4: want to just take a part the usaid. We want

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Speaker 4: to take apart the Corporation for Public Radio and defund

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Speaker 4: public media, and we're going to use the reconciliation process,

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Speaker 4: which is this obscure process that only requires a simple

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Speaker 4: majority to pass it, which means only Republicans in this

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Speaker 4: particular case, because they're the majority party. So they just

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Speaker 4: undid what we just a few months ago decided we

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Speaker 4: wanted to do together. They just undid it. And what

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Speaker 4: it means is that on the public media side that

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Speaker 4: there are there's probably fifteen hundred local radio and TV

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Speaker 4: stations that get money through the Corporation for Public Broadcasting

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Speaker 4: to do things like amber alerts and emergency alerts in

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Speaker 4: natural disasters and weather emergencies, to do things like provide

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Speaker 4: local community news. And there's so many places across this country,

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Speaker 4: especially rural areas, that no longer have like local newspapers

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Speaker 4: because they've crashed, right, and so this is a lifeline

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Speaker 4: for our local communities. Also, educational programming and it's like

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Speaker 4: the Republicans in the Senate just got down on bended

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Speaker 4: knee for President Trump. Whatever you want, sir, we will provide,

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Speaker 4: we will do. And it's just been pretty horrifying to

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Speaker 4: watch what happened. We had a long session. We were

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Speaker 4: in for many many hours offering amendments, trying to restore

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Speaker 4: some of the funding that Donald Trump, and particularly this

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Speaker 4: guy named Russell Vote, who uh charge of an agency

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Speaker 4: called OMB, the Office of Management and Budget, who just

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Speaker 4: doesn't believe he needs to listen to Congress. He just

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Speaker 4: believed in the unilateral presidency, who needs the Congress.

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Speaker 1: He was one of the authors of Project twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: And he also did, in fact, in the first Trump administration,

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Speaker 1: try to prevent Congress from using its executive powers of

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Speaker 1: the purse right.

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Speaker 4: And so you know, it's our Article one responsibilities in

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Speaker 4: the United States Constitution that like we make the laws,

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Speaker 4: we set the budgets, we appropriate dollars, they implement it administer.

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Speaker 4: But Russell Vote has a very different idea, as certainly

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Speaker 4: does Donald Trump. And a couple of things that Russell

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Speaker 4: Vote made clear this week. One was that this is

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Speaker 4: just the first recisions package that they're going to bring

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Speaker 4: they're going to undo a lot more of our bipartisan

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Speaker 4: work if they get their way. And we warned our

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Speaker 4: Republican colleagues more of this is to come. Don't fall

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Speaker 4: for it the first time, because once you fall for

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Speaker 4: it the first time, they're going to come back over

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Speaker 4: and over again. And the other thing Russell Volte said

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Speaker 4: this week as the Senate was considering and the Republicans

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Speaker 4: passed the Recisions package is he said, you know, the

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Speaker 4: Senate appropriations process is to bipartisan. I mean, what, what right? Really?

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Speaker 4: Did I just hear that?

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Speaker 1: But this recisions package, so this BBB grows a deficit

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Speaker 1: four trillion dollars, cuts a lot of services for people,

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Speaker 1: and also is ultimately a skinny Medicaid repeal. But the

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Speaker 1: thing that I am so struck by in this is

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Speaker 1: that Congress doesn't usually do recisions packages. In fact, the

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Speaker 1: last one was during Bush Clinton. But they didn't provide

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Speaker 1: you with any information, right, they were just like, trust

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Speaker 1: us exactly.

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Speaker 4: Well, let's say just say this isn't a quote of

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Speaker 4: Russell vote, but others sort of purporting to paraphrase his words.

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Speaker 4: It's like the Corporation for Public broadcasting is too woke, right,

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Speaker 4: That's why we have to pull away their funding. But

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Speaker 4: what was so like ironic? At the very end of

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Speaker 4: the recisions package, when we're getting ready for the final vote,

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Speaker 4: Republicans are all going to vote it through. No Democrat

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Speaker 4: voted to past recisions. The Majority leader gets up and says,

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Speaker 4: you know, we're doing the first thing something that Congress

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Speaker 4: has never done before. You know, we're cutting programs. We're

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Speaker 4: going to reduce the deficit. That I just went wait

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Speaker 4: a second. It was only two weeks ago that Republicans

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Speaker 4: added three point five trillion dollars to the deficit and

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Speaker 4: the debt over the next ten years, and they're growing

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Speaker 4: about having saved nine billion dollars. Do you understand the

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Speaker 4: difference between those two actions. It was really crazy. And

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Speaker 4: the other thing I want to point out is we've

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Speaker 4: never had a partisan recisions bill. We have, indeed, and

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Speaker 4: you're writing about the date it was the early nineteen

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Speaker 4: nineties we had a bipartisan recisions bill. You know, usually

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Speaker 4: recisions happen within the appropriations process. So you're looking at

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Speaker 4: next year's budget and you're saying, oh, we allocated too

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Speaker 4: much money for this activity. They didn't spend it all,

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Speaker 4: so let's rescind it and put it somewhere else or

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Speaker 4: return it to the taxpayers. We usually do that in

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Speaker 4: the context of our annual budgeting and appropriating, and so

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Speaker 4: it's done all the time, but it's always done on

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Speaker 4: a bipartisans and this idea of now we're going to

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Speaker 4: just have the party in power rescind is very counter

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Speaker 4: to the culture of the Senate, and it's really eroding

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Speaker 4: the trust between members of the minority and majority party.

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Speaker 1: Since you are in the Senate, and the Senate has

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Speaker 1: historically been thought of as less insane than the House.

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Speaker 1: These senators are, in fact, like any hope that any

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Speaker 1: of us had that any of them would do the

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Speaker 1: right thing. I think on the Republican side, we're absolutely

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Speaker 1: blown out by the weird math they did to get

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Speaker 1: the BBB through, and I want to talk about that

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Speaker 1: because it hasn't gotten a ton of attention. So Murkowski

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Speaker 1: voted yes because she'd got lots of goodies for Alaska.

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Speaker 1: Collins voted no. She's up for reelection very soon in

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Speaker 1: a purple state. Tillis voted no.

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Speaker 4: And then at that he wasn't running for reelection next year.

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Speaker 1: Right and Rand Paul, Rand Paul Ran Paul.

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Speaker 4: Because remember JD had to break the tie.

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Speaker 1: Right, Clearly Murkowski could have voted no and could have

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Speaker 1: made this not pass. It just struck me that the

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Speaker 1: people who voted yes or voted no, that there was

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Speaker 1: that this was just so craven and about re election

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Speaker 1: in the midterm and not so much about like trying

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Speaker 1: in any way to protect their constituents. Obviously you were

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Speaker 1: in this world, but I'm just curious did it strike

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Speaker 1: you as that? And also just the math on it

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Speaker 1: truck me as kind of performative.

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Speaker 4: Ultimately, Yeah, as long as JD Vance is around Washington,

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Speaker 4: d C. They can afford to have three Republicans drop off,

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Speaker 4: then they have a fifty to fifty tie. JD Vance

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Speaker 4: comes and breaks it, they win. I'm not in those

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Speaker 4: conversations on the Republican side. I don't know how much

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Speaker 4: they're saying like, we can let you off on this vote,

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Speaker 4: we can let you off on this vote because you

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Speaker 4: have big reelections. I don't know if I assume that

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Speaker 4: those conversations are happening. I'm not a part of it,

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Speaker 4: but they know. But the other thing I would note

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Speaker 4: is it's just striking to me. Also, the lack of

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Speaker 4: independence from Donald Trump. There was not the same fear

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Speaker 4: of George W. Bush there was even in Trump's first term,

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Speaker 4: there was not the same fear to be expressing some

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Speaker 4: independence from that administration. But Trump two point zero is

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Speaker 4: totally different. And you know, many of my Republican colleagues

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Speaker 4: in the Senate are truly maga people. So shouldn't be

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Speaker 4: a big shock or a surprise that they're not independent

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Speaker 4: from the president. But the rest of them, the longtimers,

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Speaker 4: should have some sense of wanting to preserve the power

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Speaker 4: of the Senate, the power of the Appropriations committee, committees

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Speaker 4: that they're on, a body that they're in, and I

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Speaker 4: see that slowly eroding or not so slowly eroding under

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Speaker 4: this second presidency of Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean as bad as Trump one point zero was,

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Speaker 1: this is a completely different ballgame.

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Speaker 4: Steve Miller, Steve banned all of them, said what before

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Speaker 4: he was inaugurated, They said, look, folks, we're going to

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Speaker 4: flood the zone. You know, we started off this conversation like,

683
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Speaker 4: there's so much to talk about. Let's just stick to

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Speaker 4: what happened in the last couple of weeks in the Senate,

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Speaker 4: but they're flooding the zone. Everywhere else. People are just

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Speaker 4: looking at action after action this administration takes. But the

687
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Speaker 4: stuff that's happening in the Senate is really notable because

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Speaker 4: they're basically saying, we don't care about Congress, we don't

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Speaker 4: care about the people that the people elected to fight

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Speaker 4: for them. We're just going to steamroll right over.

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Speaker 1: So I wonder if you could talk to us about

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Speaker 1: now here we are. There's just a lot of talk

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Speaker 1: about Democrats and what they should be doing and how

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Speaker 1: they should be breaking through. And we on this podcast

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Speaker 1: have seen a lot some Democrats do better than others

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Speaker 1: at connecting with the media about breaking through. This is

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Speaker 1: a real problem we see again and again. I feel

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Speaker 1: like you are very much your own person, and when

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Speaker 1: you talk to you, you just talk about what's going on,

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Speaker 1: and you're quite good at speaking in it as a human.

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Speaker 1: How much do you think that that is an important

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Speaker 1: element of where we are right now? Because I don't

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Speaker 1: believe that they're in the wilderness, because I think Democrats

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Speaker 1: have won a lot of elections and I think that

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Speaker 1: Trump is a singular force that is not really transferable

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Speaker 1: in any possible way, But if you could talk a

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Speaker 1: little bit about what you think the sort of ways

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Speaker 1: to connect with voters are and why this has been

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Speaker 1: such a struggle, especially for people who should be able

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Speaker 1: to Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So there's the content and then there's the process of communication.

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Speaker 4: So I think you're absolutely right in terms of connecting.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's.

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Speaker 4: Colleagues who use statistics all the time. There's colleagues who

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Speaker 4: use stories. Stories are more powerful. It shows that you

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Speaker 4: were listening to your constituents and what they told you

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Speaker 4: on what their fears are in this last election last year,

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Speaker 4: you got it. If you were talking about how much

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Speaker 4: people were struggling just to be able to afford their

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Speaker 4: groceries and I can't find a place that I can

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Speaker 4: afford to rent. And you know, if you were hearing

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Speaker 4: that and talking about it, you're obviously connecting. Then there's

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Speaker 4: a process of connecting. And I think so many of

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Speaker 4: us you know, who are at the point that were

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Speaker 4: like in the Senate, didn't grow up speaking to folks

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Speaker 4: in the way that we do these days. I'm used

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Speaker 4: to very much in person. I love connecting with people

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Speaker 4: in person. I'm also used to doing television interviews and

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Speaker 4: radio interviews. But you know, we have to get better

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Speaker 4: about communicating in the spaces where people are talking these days.

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Speaker 4: I think I heard or read just in the last

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Speaker 4: day or so that the flip has occurred between people

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Speaker 4: who get their information on television and you know that

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Speaker 4: broadcast and cable to same content online. That that just happened.

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Speaker 4: And so somebody was teasing us in our caucus like, oh,

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Speaker 4: I'm so excited I just got booked on a cable

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Speaker 4: TV tonight. Well, you know, I'm going to talk to

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Speaker 4: more people by talking to you. That's going to be true.

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Speaker 4: And so I think the process of how we talk,

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Speaker 4: we're behind the Republicans on that. And so, you know,

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Speaker 4: remain are authentic selves who listen to people and uplift

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Speaker 4: their stories and then start communicating in the spaces where

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Speaker 4: people are actually exchanging information these days, which is different

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Speaker 4: than what it was a year ago or five years

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Speaker 4: ago or ten years ago, and we got to keep

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Speaker 4: up with that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's a really good answer. I want you

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Speaker 1: to talk for a minute about all the LGBTQ services

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Speaker 1: or you nine hundred and eighty eight LGBTQ plus services

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Speaker 1: that were ended in the BBB so explain to us

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Speaker 1: what those services are.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so let me give you the overarching this. Several

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Speaker 4: years ago, I was part of an effort, bipartisan effort

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Speaker 4: to create the nine to eight to eight hotline, which

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Speaker 4: is a suicide prevention, mental health crisis hotline. You know,

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Speaker 4: we've always had a number you could call, but it

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Speaker 4: used to be a ten digit area code and then

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Speaker 4: seven digits and nobody in their time of crisis remembered

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Speaker 4: the number or you know whatever, and so we knew,

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Speaker 4: like we've done nine to one one, we used to

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Speaker 4: have something called four to one one. You got to

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Speaker 4: be pretty old to remember that. But anyways, it's not old. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: me too. So but nine to eight eight is a

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Speaker 4: crisis line, and we fielded that three years ago this week,

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Speaker 4: and it has meant so much to people who were

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Speaker 4: in crisis. You know, we publicized that it's out there.

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Speaker 4: You can text, you can chat, or you can call,

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Speaker 4: and somebody answers quickly on the other line and helps

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Speaker 4: through a crisis. And then hopefully, if the crisis is

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Speaker 4: more than just you know, a moment, you're referred to

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Speaker 4: services in your community that help you through the longer crisis.

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Speaker 4: The longer set of issues, and so we set it up,

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Speaker 4: and we recognized as we were setting it up that

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Speaker 4: there's certain populations set up a much higher rate of

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Speaker 4: suicide or attempted suicide military veterans, often due to the

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Speaker 4: traumas that they've been exposed to in wartime, members of

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Speaker 4: the LGBT community, in part because society, especially under Trump,

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Speaker 4: has it out for them. And so especially for youth

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Speaker 4: who are coming out, where do they fit in this

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Speaker 4: world when they're seeing this relentless series of attacks. So

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Speaker 4: what did we do when we set up nine eight eight.

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Speaker 4: We had a specialized you know, press one if you're

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Speaker 4: a veteran, and we'll get you those services from somebody

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Speaker 4: who's walked in your boots before, and press three if

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Speaker 4: you're part of the LGBT community, and we will get

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Speaker 4: you those crisis services from somebody who understands your journey.

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Speaker 4: And abruptly this week the Trump administration said we are

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Speaker 4: no longer going to provide specialized services on this crisis

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Speaker 4: line for fue side prevention to LGBTQ youth. And that

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Speaker 4: is just cruel in my mind. Now, I want to

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Speaker 4: be really clear, nine eight eight still exists. The specialized

792
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Speaker 4: services have been defunded, a fight to restore them. But

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Speaker 4: I do want to say to anyone LGBTQ or not,

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Speaker 4: if you're experiencing a mental health crisis, if you're contemplating suicide,

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Speaker 4: I still want you to call nine eight eight. There

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Speaker 4: are still people to help you, and I'll fight to

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Speaker 4: get those specialized services back on track.

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Speaker 1: I want you to talk for a minute about Alligator Alcatraz.

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Speaker 1: We've seen some members of Congress have toward it. The

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Speaker 1: administration wants to see more of this writ large.

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Speaker 4: You know, the while they're cutting seventeen million people off

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Speaker 4: their healthcare. In the bbb Ugly Bill, not beautiful bill,

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Speaker 4: they did plus up the budgets of Defense and Homeland Security,

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Speaker 4: which includes all of the immigration enforcement activities, so that

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Speaker 4: they can do these activities like deport people from Central

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Speaker 4: America to Africa, and to build new detention facilities in

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Speaker 4: very inhospitable places here in the United States. So there's

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Speaker 4: a lot of money being spent in a bill that

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Speaker 4: they said, we're slashing nutrition assistance and slashing Medicaid and

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Speaker 4: the Affordable Care Act premium subsidies. We're slashing all that. Oh,

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Speaker 4: but yes we did find money for some other activities,

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Speaker 4: tax cuts for millionaires and big corporations, and let's build

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Speaker 4: alligator alcabiraths, right, And so they're finding plenty of money

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Speaker 4: for the president's priorities of mass deportation or mass detention

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Speaker 4: at the same time that our most vulnerable neighbors are

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Speaker 4: being told you are going to have to fill out

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Speaker 4: a lot more paperwork for your medicaid.

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Speaker 1: Senator Baldwin, thank you, please come back.

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Speaker 4: I will thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: A moment. Jesse Cannon, all right, may I want to

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Speaker 1: paint a picture for you.

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Speaker 2: So Donald Trump Junior owns one percent of this company,

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Speaker 2: Grab a Gun, and he goes to the Stock Exchange,

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Speaker 2: ring the bell, and here's what he says. To be

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Speaker 2: able to come back to the New York Stock Exchange

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Speaker 2: and actually take a gun company public feels like such

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Speaker 2: a vindication of all the insanity and all of the woke.

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Speaker 2: What do you think happened next?

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Speaker 1: I think that the shares of online gun retailer Grab

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Speaker 1: a Gun began publicly trading in the New York Stock

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Speaker 1: Exchange and then drop sharply. I am twenty percent shocked. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that Donald Trump Junior and a shareholder and advisor of

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Speaker 1: grab a Gun, ranging the opening bell two chance of

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Speaker 1: USA USA, because there is nothing more USA than a

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Speaker 1: spac led by a Republican mega downer that sells guns.

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Speaker 1: There is nothing more American than being able to buy

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Speaker 1: a gun from a spack led by the President's son.

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump, the eldest son, is projected to own three

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Speaker 1: hundred thousand shares of grab a Gun, or about one

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Speaker 1: percent of the company's stock. Lucky guy, Well, maybe not

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Speaker 1: so lucky.

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Speaker 2: He said it was an ultimate triumphant return.

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Speaker 1: Don Junior is a partner in seventeen eighty nine Capital

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Speaker 1: as well as an advisor to gubb a Gun. Grab

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Speaker 1: A Gun raised one hundred and seventy nine million in

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Speaker 1: gross proceeds from the merger. According to a statement, grab

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Speaker 1: a Gun is the latest example of the President's family

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Speaker 1: and allies backing companies related to conservative political causes or

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Speaker 1: in this case, buying a gun. You have to grab it,

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Speaker 1: you grab a gun. I just want to say that.

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Speaker 1: Visit me in a pineapple under this safe. That's it

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