WEBVTT - #788 Packers Unscripted: Denver downer 0:00:14.960 --> 0:00:18.640 Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 0:00:18.640 --> 0:00:21.920 Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spoffer, joined as always 0:00:21.920 --> 0:00:24.560 by my trusted colleague Weston Hodkowitz. We're coming to you 0:00:24.640 --> 0:00:27.800 here from our studios at lambeau Field, back from Denver, 0:00:27.880 --> 0:00:31.560 West and it bottom line, it wasn't pretty on Sunday night. 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:34.960 Twenty seven to two was the final score of the 0:00:35.000 --> 0:00:39.080 preseason game. And we can talk a little bit about 0:00:39.080 --> 0:00:42.760 what happened, and there certainly were some positives from the game, 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:47.080 but the bottom line is listening to Matt Lafleur after 0:00:47.520 --> 0:00:51.200 the game and he was talking about the effort, the strain, 0:00:51.360 --> 0:00:54.840 the grit that he's looking for from his team. I 0:00:54.840 --> 0:00:57.080 think he was already trying to send a message on 0:00:57.160 --> 0:01:01.520 Sunday night from Denver that this week, this final week 0:01:01.520 --> 0:01:04.640 of the preseason, leading up to the roster decisions, and 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:08.839 everything is going to be about effort, strain, and grit. 0:01:08.880 --> 0:01:10.839 It's going to be about what he wants to see 0:01:10.880 --> 0:01:13.920 from his players, regardless of what the results are. 0:01:14.040 --> 0:01:16.080 Yep, I thought that was the biggest thing. It wasn't 0:01:16.120 --> 0:01:18.360 so much about what the reaction was to that loss. 0:01:18.360 --> 0:01:20.000 It's what the response is going to be this week 0:01:20.000 --> 0:01:22.840 olding to Baltimore because now you're the team that's going 0:01:22.880 --> 0:01:24.679 to hold serve here, You're the team that's going to 0:01:24.880 --> 0:01:27.800 be hosting the joint practice against the Ravens, and ultimately 0:01:27.840 --> 0:01:31.000 that is the quote unquote final audition on Saturday for 0:01:31.120 --> 0:01:35.480 starting jobs, for roster spots, for everything in this competition. 0:01:35.959 --> 0:01:38.600 It's a marason, but we are entering that final stretch 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:41.240 and it's important to have that kick to get you 0:01:41.280 --> 0:01:43.280 to where you want to go. At the end, it 0:01:43.400 --> 0:01:45.880 was a disappointing result. I mean, obviously we talked about 0:01:45.880 --> 0:01:48.600 it with some of our other videos. Friday's practice. You know, 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:50.560 the Broncos in some ways kind of handed it to 0:01:50.600 --> 0:01:53.320 Green Bay, especially after that maybe that first forty five 0:01:53.360 --> 0:01:56.240 minutes it seemed like everything on Denver's side was sort 0:01:56.240 --> 0:02:00.600 of going its way. Now it is a challenge. I 0:02:00.640 --> 0:02:02.440 know everybody in the locker room will never use this 0:02:02.480 --> 0:02:04.680 as an excuse when you're going up against a first 0:02:04.680 --> 0:02:08.200 team in second you know, defense and offense. But that 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:11.120 being said, for me, it was more about when the 0:02:11.160 --> 0:02:15.760 Broncos started to cycle out their starters for there was 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:19.239 the response and the urgency to get that thing turned around. 0:02:19.280 --> 0:02:20.560 Just didn't seem to be quite there. 0:02:20.720 --> 0:02:22.840 Yeah, I agree that that's the way I felt. It's 0:02:22.880 --> 0:02:24.880 what I was saying and the live blogg during the game, 0:02:24.919 --> 0:02:28.200 I said it again an insider inbox when through basically 0:02:28.240 --> 0:02:30.600 through the first quarter, quarter and a half of that game, 0:02:30.760 --> 0:02:35.320 it was the Broncos starters against the Packers two's the 0:02:35.360 --> 0:02:40.440 second unit players, and the Broncos controlled the action. There's 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:43.640 no doubt about that. They were dominating the action. The 0:02:43.680 --> 0:02:47.400 Packers got knocked back on their heels in that first 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:49.720 quarter and quarter and a half when the starters were 0:02:49.720 --> 0:02:53.560 in there, but then when the Broncos started substituting, it 0:02:53.680 --> 0:02:56.920 just felt like the Packers never responded. They sort of 0:02:57.160 --> 0:02:59.160 felt it just felt like they were still on their 0:02:59.200 --> 0:03:01.440 heels the whole game, like the tone of the game 0:03:01.480 --> 0:03:04.160 had been set by the Broncos starters in really what 0:03:05.000 --> 0:03:07.480 was kind of an NFL mismatch when you have starters 0:03:07.520 --> 0:03:11.880 against a complete second team unit. But the Packers were 0:03:11.880 --> 0:03:14.239 never able to change that tone. They were never able 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:18.880 to alter what was going on, even when it became 0:03:18.919 --> 0:03:21.320 more of a quote unquote fair fight with twos against 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:24.799 twos or threes against threes, particularly on the offensive side 0:03:24.840 --> 0:03:27.280 of the ball. I thought after the initial ten to 0:03:27.320 --> 0:03:33.040 nothing spurt by bo Nix and Denver's starting offense, after that, 0:03:33.120 --> 0:03:36.200 I thought the Packers defense actually did okay because really 0:03:36.200 --> 0:03:38.520 the only points they gave up the rest of the 0:03:38.560 --> 0:03:43.320 game were on short fields after turnovers, turnover on downs. 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:45.360 There was the interception, there was the fumble on the 0:03:45.360 --> 0:03:49.640 strip sack, So I thought the Packers' defense held up 0:03:51.040 --> 0:03:54.400 decently well after Denver starters left the game. There were 0:03:54.440 --> 0:03:57.920 some mistackles, they allowed some third down conversions. I'm sure 0:03:57.920 --> 0:04:00.480 they'd like to have back, But on balance, that are right. 0:04:00.560 --> 0:04:03.200 It was you know, whether it was Sean Clifford at 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:06.680 quarterback or Michael Pratt, no matter who was in there 0:04:06.720 --> 0:04:09.120 on the offensive line, the running game just never really 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:13.480 got going. There was never anything consistently established there. You know, 0:04:13.960 --> 0:04:19.599 some misthrows we heard after the game, some some poorly 0:04:19.680 --> 0:04:23.440 run routes, you know. So it wasn't just on one guy. 0:04:24.480 --> 0:04:27.040 And Matt Lafleur made sure to say that the offensive 0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:30.320 struggles were not entirely on the quarterbacks. He wasn't excusing 0:04:30.320 --> 0:04:33.120 the quarterbacks, but to say that it was all because 0:04:33.160 --> 0:04:36.559 of those guys would not be accurate. That being said, 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:40.840 it's on It's on everybody, the guys up front, the quarterbacks, 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:43.120 the guys on defense who missed some tackles, whatever the 0:04:43.160 --> 0:04:46.480 case might be. It's on everybody to rebound, to bounce 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:50.479 back this week, to learn something from what happened in Denver, 0:04:50.960 --> 0:04:52.919 and and to really kind of look in the mirror 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:55.120 and just say, hey, that's not us, right, that's not 0:04:55.200 --> 0:04:57.359 the Green Bay Packers. I think that's the message the 0:04:57.400 --> 0:04:59.120 coaches are going to try to send this week. Yeah. 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:01.000 I found it funny to you know, some people at 0:05:01.000 --> 0:05:03.160 incenter inbox were asking about like, well, what is this 0:05:03.200 --> 0:05:05.120 really show? I mean, that is that big of a 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:08.479 gap between starting lever players in the NFL and like, 0:05:08.560 --> 0:05:10.599 you know, the back win guys. I thought it was 0:05:10.760 --> 0:05:12.760 interesting because I was like, well, yeah, look at the 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:16.279 contract difference between Mike mclinchy and Patrick Certan and what 0:05:16.520 --> 0:05:19.960 the base minimum is for in NFL first or second 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:23.400 year player. That tells you the discrepancy between those level 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:24.800 of players in the NFL, right, And. 0:05:24.839 --> 0:05:27.400 I think what people have to understand too. You know, 0:05:27.520 --> 0:05:31.560 obviously we're not trying to make excuses for the Packers here, 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:34.640 and it really was about the effort and and the 0:05:34.680 --> 0:05:37.800 grit and all that. The Packers just didn't display that 0:05:37.880 --> 0:05:39.359 in the game. So I'm not going to say that 0:05:39.400 --> 0:05:42.800 it was there. But when everybody's getting kind of getting 0:05:42.839 --> 0:05:45.440 all worked up and crazy about just where the Packers' 0:05:45.480 --> 0:05:48.320 depth is, if you know, starters go down and what now, 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:51.600 you have to understand it was an entire unit of 0:05:51.720 --> 0:05:54.160 backups that was on the field, not just like one 0:05:54.240 --> 0:05:56.760 player here or there that needs to be substituted for. 0:05:56.880 --> 0:05:59.440 It was an entire unit of backups against an entire 0:05:59.560 --> 0:06:02.200 unit of starters for a quarter to a quarter and 0:06:02.200 --> 0:06:05.000 a half. That's going to be a mismatch in this league, 0:06:05.400 --> 0:06:07.760 no matter who you're up against. I'm sorry, you know. 0:06:07.839 --> 0:06:12.840 And the Packers decided they that they were more interested 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:16.800 in protecting their starters from the risk of injury and 0:06:17.080 --> 0:06:20.080 using this game regardless of how the Broncos wanted to 0:06:20.120 --> 0:06:23.120 play it, using this game as an evaluation tool to 0:06:23.200 --> 0:06:25.960 decide who's going to make this team, Who do they 0:06:26.000 --> 0:06:29.280 feel can help them, can contribute somewhere down the road, 0:06:29.320 --> 0:06:33.400 who individually will be ready to step in for somebody 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:36.960 else if the need arises down the road, which it will, so. 0:06:37.200 --> 0:06:40.359 Very different situations too, where the Denver Broncos are at home. 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:42.960 I think I think there's a big difference between if 0:06:42.960 --> 0:06:44.359 you're hosting those joint practices. 0:06:44.560 --> 0:06:47.200 I totally agree. We were talking about that when we 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:49.240 were out in Denver. We've seen it. You and I 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:51.240 have been on the road for joint practices. We've been 0:06:51.240 --> 0:06:54.279 at home for joint practices. It is a very different 0:06:54.400 --> 0:06:57.880 feel when you are the road team at somebody else's 0:06:57.960 --> 0:06:58.840 practice facility. 0:06:58.920 --> 0:07:00.840 Yeah. So, and that was the way it worked out, 0:07:00.960 --> 0:07:02.479 and yeah, we'll see how it goes. 0:07:02.680 --> 0:07:07.000 Yeah. Well, with that, I do think there were there 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:09.880 were a few guys that are worth talking about who 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:14.080 who did show up and showed something I think to 0:07:14.200 --> 0:07:16.239 the coaching staff in this game. And where I start 0:07:16.240 --> 0:07:19.760 with that is at the linebacker position, the off ball 0:07:19.840 --> 0:07:23.880 linebacker spot, and two guys in particular, the rookie third 0:07:23.960 --> 0:07:26.960 round pick for Missouri, Tyron Hopper, and the Veterans special 0:07:27.000 --> 0:07:30.200 team or Christian Welch. I thought both of those guys 0:07:31.640 --> 0:07:34.600 really showed up in this game and showed that. I 0:07:34.640 --> 0:07:37.440 don't expect either guy to be a starter for the 0:07:37.440 --> 0:07:39.800 Green Bay Packers. That is not the way things appear 0:07:39.840 --> 0:07:42.360 to be. Unfolding. But I think both of those guys 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:45.680 showed that if they get called upon, they're going to 0:07:45.760 --> 0:07:46.680 step in and play well. 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:48.720 First off, looking at Christian Welch, I mean, this is 0:07:48.720 --> 0:07:50.280 a guy that has been in the National Football League 0:07:50.320 --> 0:07:52.760 for four years now. He has cut his teeth mostly 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:56.320 on special teams, but he knows better than anybody with 0:07:56.400 --> 0:07:58.040 the route that he took and kind of coming the 0:07:58.080 --> 0:08:01.160 long way. You need to be able to maximize your 0:08:01.200 --> 0:08:03.920 minutes in the preseason. You have to have big plays 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:06.880 on defense to kind of, you know, show yourself. I mean, 0:08:06.880 --> 0:08:08.480 there's a reason why he went so hard to that 0:08:08.520 --> 0:08:11.880 loose fumble against Cleven There's a reason why he jumped 0:08:11.880 --> 0:08:14.200 as high as anybody on the field to get after 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:17.280 that interception in the second half, both plays getting off 0:08:17.320 --> 0:08:20.920 to a better start, I thought really helped propel the Packers' 0:08:20.960 --> 0:08:23.680 defense to our better performance in the second half with 0:08:23.720 --> 0:08:25.760 the way that they performed. But then on the other 0:08:25.840 --> 0:08:28.080 side of it, you have Tyron Hopper, who unfortunately had 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:30.880 the ankle injured crop up on him, has not been 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:33.679 out there, and even when he was, you had Edrin Cooper, 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:36.320 so he was kind of like the Tucker Craft to 0:08:36.360 --> 0:08:38.400 the Luke Musgrave a little bit where he's not getting 0:08:38.400 --> 0:08:41.040 all those number one reps and all that type of stuff. Well, 0:08:41.040 --> 0:08:42.920 this game, Mike, he was able to be the mic 0:08:43.120 --> 0:08:46.560 for it for most of the second half and being 0:08:46.600 --> 0:08:48.280 able to get those reps and not come up with 0:08:48.320 --> 0:08:50.600 eleven tackles. Was it flawless? No? Are the things to 0:08:50.679 --> 0:08:52.800 learn from, yes, but you have to be able to 0:08:52.880 --> 0:08:55.839 learn those things. And the Green Bay Packers is they 0:08:55.920 --> 0:08:58.400 if you remember this, when they first drafted Hopper, they said, 0:08:58.400 --> 0:09:00.200 this is a guy we really like his upside, like 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:01.960 his explosiveness. We think he's going to be a good 0:09:02.000 --> 0:09:04.440 football player. But they also talked about how he could 0:09:04.440 --> 0:09:06.880 be a contributor to on special teams. Yeah. Well, now 0:09:06.880 --> 0:09:10.520 he's lined up both offensively or excuse me, defensively and 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:13.760 on special teams against a guy that has quite literally 0:09:14.160 --> 0:09:16.400 carved out a career for himself in that phase as well. 0:09:16.480 --> 0:09:19.000 So talking to Hopper a little bit about that afterwards 0:09:19.000 --> 0:09:21.720 and just the working with Welch and what that's done 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:24.840 for him. You know, Hopper obviously is a third round pick. 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:27.520 Ninety nine point nine percent is on this fifty three 0:09:27.520 --> 0:09:29.920 man roster. Welch just doesn't have that type of security 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:34.240 right now. Yeah, but he's proving once again why he's 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:35.800 been able to stay in the league as long as 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:37.680 he has and just exactly the type of value he 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:40.240 provides to the Packers as one of those depth linebackers. 0:09:40.360 --> 0:09:42.680 Yeah, when Hopper was drafted in the third round that 0:09:42.760 --> 0:09:45.200 second night of the draft, the phrase that stuck out 0:09:45.280 --> 0:09:47.360 to me when we heard from buying Guda Kunst and 0:09:47.440 --> 0:09:50.840 talking about him is in reviewing his film and why 0:09:50.840 --> 0:09:53.719 they liked him, they referred to his stopping power. And 0:09:55.080 --> 0:09:57.200 so a guy like that comes into your program. But 0:09:57.360 --> 0:10:00.840 all through you know, OTA's mini camp, there's no pads. 0:10:01.400 --> 0:10:03.800 You know, it's you know, there isn't. There isn't the 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:06.240 level of physical contact. We were going to have to 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:09.000 wait until we saw him. And even in training camp 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:10.840 there isn't. You don't really get to see that because 0:10:10.840 --> 0:10:14.160 it's all it's all thud and tagging off and and whatnot. 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:16.760 We were gonna have to wait to a preseason game 0:10:16.840 --> 0:10:21.040 to see the actual stopping power of Tyron Hopper in action. 0:10:21.600 --> 0:10:24.200 And he missed the first preseason game in Cleveland. Well, 0:10:24.200 --> 0:10:26.719 in this game against Denver, he was out there and 0:10:26.760 --> 0:10:29.680 you saw what Brian Gouda Kunz was talking about when 0:10:29.679 --> 0:10:33.000 he said stopping power, because when Tyron Hopper hit the 0:10:33.080 --> 0:10:36.400 running back in the hole, the momentum of the ballcarrier 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:40.960 was stopped and and there you can't you can't coach 0:10:41.040 --> 0:10:43.160 that kind of thing in a football player. It's just 0:10:43.280 --> 0:10:46.200 it's his style of play. It's it's the body type, 0:10:46.240 --> 0:10:49.720 it's how he uses his body and his leverage. And 0:10:50.120 --> 0:10:52.240 I thought it was I thought it was pretty impressive, 0:10:52.320 --> 0:10:55.000 like you, like you just said, was it a perfect performance? 0:10:55.040 --> 0:10:57.280 By no means there are going to be things that 0:10:57.320 --> 0:10:59.319 he's going to look at on the film and go, Okay, yeah, 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:00.920 I can do this, but I can do that better. 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:02.520 The coaches are going to work with him on that. 0:11:03.480 --> 0:11:06.160 But Tyron Hopper in his first preseason game as a 0:11:06.160 --> 0:11:09.080 Green Bay Packer, he came as advertised that he that's 0:11:09.120 --> 0:11:11.240 what we were told the type of player that he was, 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:13.479 and I thought he showed up in that fashion. 0:11:13.160 --> 0:11:16.960 Absolutely, And now has that opportunity going into Baltimore, probably 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:18.920 will play quite a bit, you'd imagine as well. 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:19.960 I would imagine so. 0:11:20.200 --> 0:11:22.600 And the other thing too, You've had a chance to 0:11:22.640 --> 0:11:25.440 talk to him before as well. It's so weird to 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:27.199 me when people would look at these numbers with these 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:29.199 guys like him and Cooper both coming out of college, 0:11:29.240 --> 0:11:32.080 and it's like, oh, they're right around the two thirty mark. Boy, Michael, 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:33.960 I don't know what it was like covered in NFL 0:11:33.960 --> 0:11:36.280 locker room in nineteen ninety five, you know, or when 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:39.360 you had the Winston Moss type, you know, linebackers out there. 0:11:39.760 --> 0:11:42.440 But I do not think Tyron Hopper is small, like 0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:45.000 just just his length, his size, the way he carries 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:48.880 his weight. I mean, these are real supreme premier athletes 0:11:49.040 --> 0:11:51.720 that we're dealing with. And if you can stand up 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:54.240 to a hunter or excuse me, a two hundred and 0:11:54.280 --> 0:11:58.400 twenty pound running back in the hole with that frame, boy, 0:11:58.440 --> 0:12:00.000 I think you really got a chance because it all 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:01.280 so is going to be what helps you on the 0:12:01.280 --> 0:12:02.920 coverage aspect of it as well. Yeah. 0:12:02.960 --> 0:12:06.920 Absolutely, Well, we saw the Packers continue to try to 0:12:06.960 --> 0:12:10.800 figure some things out on the offensive line, working different 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:15.240 guys at tackle. We saw again Sean Ryan, Jacob Munk, 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:19.280 guys like that working at the at the interior spots. 0:12:20.480 --> 0:12:23.199 It wasn't a good performance by the Packers offensive line. 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:25.720 And and I'm no expert by any means I haven't 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:28.160 gone over all the film, you know, frame by frame 0:12:28.280 --> 0:12:31.640 or play by play or anything like that. But I'm 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:37.160 sure with what happened out there, especially against Denver's starting defense, 0:12:37.760 --> 0:12:41.280 that the Packers have have some film to evaluate to 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:43.600 sort things out here in terms of and there's still 0:12:43.600 --> 0:12:45.720 a week to go there. You know, nothing has been 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:48.480 one hundred percent set in stone yet, but I have 0:12:48.559 --> 0:12:51.679 to believe that they they got some pretty good evaluation 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:55.839 as to the players that that on the offensive line 0:12:55.840 --> 0:12:57.880 in terms of those backups and how they want to 0:12:57.960 --> 0:13:00.720 how they want to arrange that room for the start 0:13:00.720 --> 0:13:03.600 of the regular season, the direction that they're going to go. 0:13:03.720 --> 0:13:06.079 They mix it up. In this game, we saw Travis Glover, 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:08.280 the rookie sixth round pick out of Georgia State. He 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:10.480 ended up going in with the number twos at right tackle. 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:13.240 He traditionally has been working as a number three right tackle. 0:13:13.360 --> 0:13:15.760 That allowed Kadeem Telford then to go over to the 0:13:15.840 --> 0:13:18.800 left side after Andrey Diller had started at left tackle. 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:21.679 Later on in the game, Caleb Jones comes in, so 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:24.200 they were working and matching the guys a little bit. 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:27.280 Glover ended up with forty eight the offensive snaps eighty 0:13:27.280 --> 0:13:30.320 one percent of the total. The fifty nine total Jacob 0:13:30.360 --> 0:13:32.800 Munk but was working between two different spots forty two 0:13:33.360 --> 0:13:36.360 snaps seventy one percent of the total. Telford had thirty 0:13:36.440 --> 0:13:38.880 nine snaps in this game. That's what you want to do. 0:13:39.040 --> 0:13:40.520 I mean, the Packers still have a lot of figuring 0:13:40.559 --> 0:13:42.400 out to do, and the fact that Sean Ryan started 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:44.679 at center as they've kind of tried to do. Even 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:46.840 though he is right now I think in that right 0:13:46.920 --> 0:13:50.360 guard role because of the injury to Jordan Morgan, they 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:53.280 still are looking at him as potentially the movable chess 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:55.959 piece there as well in this offensive line. Everybody had 0:13:55.960 --> 0:13:58.000 something to learn from this. Everybody had something they could 0:13:58.000 --> 0:14:00.640 take away from it. They did get the running game 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:03.320 going a little bit better in the second half. You 0:14:03.360 --> 0:14:06.199 saw the one explosive play they had with Emmanuel Wilson. 0:14:06.520 --> 0:14:08.880 Again another reminder that if you just give Wilson a 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:10.760 little bit of wiggle room there, the guy is going 0:14:10.800 --> 0:14:12.720 to be able to create with it. I know, I 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:15.400 saw Manuel's tweet. I know he wasn't happy with his performance. 0:14:15.400 --> 0:14:17.040 I know the pressure that was there with him going 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:20.000 back to Denver. But again, this is a guy that continues. 0:14:20.040 --> 0:14:22.240 I feel like to be the Belkow for this team 0:14:22.240 --> 0:14:25.200 in this preseason and did the best with what he could. 0:14:26.000 --> 0:14:27.560 As far as this old line goes, I think it 0:14:27.640 --> 0:14:29.040 is going. It's going to go right down to the 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:31.480 wire and trying to figure out exactly who that swing 0:14:31.520 --> 0:14:32.920 tackle is going to be. Who's going to be your 0:14:32.960 --> 0:14:35.760 eight to nine on the offensive line. You know, Jacob 0:14:35.840 --> 0:14:39.160 Munk obviously the fifth round pick, has an inside track 0:14:39.200 --> 0:14:41.920 on that. You know. You know, Jordan Morgan, hopefully they 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:44.000 get him back in here. He could see a preseason 0:14:44.000 --> 0:14:45.760 action this week. We'll wait and see if that is 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:48.400 something that comes to fruition, right, But there's so many 0:14:48.440 --> 0:14:52.880 guys Michael probably outside of Elton, Josh Myers and Zach 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:55.800 tom that could really use the work still, So it'll 0:14:55.840 --> 0:14:57.920 be interesting to see how they allocate those reps because 0:14:57.920 --> 0:15:00.200 that has been a rotation that has continued through out 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:03.520 the spring, in the summer and it continues to fluctuate. 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:06.720 Yeah, this was a reminder in some ways too for 0:15:06.760 --> 0:15:09.760 me just how just how thin the margins can be 0:15:09.920 --> 0:15:12.400 in some respects, and people are gonna say thin the 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:15.200 margins twenty seven to two, Like, what are you talking about? Well, 0:15:15.720 --> 0:15:18.640 take a look at the Packers opening series. You have 0:15:18.680 --> 0:15:22.320 a backup offensive unit against a starting defense the first 0:15:22.400 --> 0:15:26.040 third down of the game, and Adam Stenovitch says, let's 0:15:26.080 --> 0:15:29.160 take a shot right single coverage on the outside with 0:15:29.240 --> 0:15:32.320 Malik Heath. And that was a heck of a ball 0:15:32.480 --> 0:15:35.560 by Sean Clifford, and Heath made a heck of an 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:38.080 effort to try to haul it in, just couldn't quite 0:15:38.160 --> 0:15:40.640 get it on the dive inside the ten yard line, 0:15:40.680 --> 0:15:44.480 or at least in the red zone down there, Malie 0:15:44.560 --> 0:15:47.200 Heath comes up with that catch, We're having a completely 0:15:47.200 --> 0:15:49.920 different conversation about where the Packers are, right. I mean, 0:15:50.160 --> 0:15:52.840 that play was darn close to being a big one 0:15:53.280 --> 0:15:56.840 of backup guys against a starting defensive unit. So I 0:15:56.920 --> 0:16:00.080 just wanted to point that out because I thought in 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:02.760 this receiver competition, because we had talked about bow Melton, 0:16:02.840 --> 0:16:05.520 Grand Dubo's and whatnot, I thought Malie Heath showed up 0:16:05.560 --> 0:16:08.240 in this game. He made I believe it was three receptions. 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:10.680 He had other targets his way. That big one early 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:12.680 in the ballgame would have been huge to come down with, 0:16:13.320 --> 0:16:16.080 but it was that close. And when I talk about 0:16:16.120 --> 0:16:19.040 the Packers getting knocked on their heels. Well, the Packers 0:16:19.040 --> 0:16:21.280 were that close to throwing the first punch in this 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:25.080 game with their backup players. So something to keep in 0:16:25.120 --> 0:16:26.160 mind here going forward. 0:16:26.200 --> 0:16:27.560 Yeah, and if I may, I mean, that's a great 0:16:27.560 --> 0:16:30.000 point you raise because I wrote this an insight or inbox. 0:16:30.000 --> 0:16:32.760 It goes back to twenty twelve for me with Graham 0:16:32.760 --> 0:16:35.400 Harrell and the second and third team offense back then, 0:16:35.440 --> 0:16:37.600 which was kind of struggling at points during that training 0:16:37.600 --> 0:16:41.280 camp Kansas City. At that point they decided, Hey, I 0:16:41.280 --> 0:16:43.160 think it was when Todd Haley was still the head 0:16:43.160 --> 0:16:45.360 coach that last preseason game against Green Bay, We're going 0:16:45.400 --> 0:16:47.920 to run our starters for the first half. So Graham 0:16:47.960 --> 0:16:49.920 Harrell in the backup offensive line they had to go 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:52.560 up against that. Harrow was almost perfect in the first half, 0:16:52.560 --> 0:16:55.760 and that's what solidified himself. Right, It's the opportunity, it's 0:16:55.880 --> 0:16:58.880 what presented to you. Everybody understands that's how goes. And 0:16:58.920 --> 0:17:01.040 I talked to Tyler Davis about this after the game, and, 0:17:01.120 --> 0:17:03.720 you know, kind of lamenting how everything went. He said, Listen, 0:17:03.800 --> 0:17:06.119 all of our second team guys, most of these guys 0:17:06.119 --> 0:17:08.080 have played in NFL games. Most of these guys have 0:17:08.119 --> 0:17:10.919 seen this type of competition before. We have to be 0:17:10.960 --> 0:17:15.440 able to reach that challenge. And now, however it shuffles 0:17:15.440 --> 0:17:17.720 out this week. Matt Lefuer said afterwards, he isn't exactly 0:17:17.760 --> 0:17:19.280 sure at the time in which we're taping this how 0:17:19.280 --> 0:17:21.879 he's going to allocate this last preseason game. Who's going 0:17:21.960 --> 0:17:25.000 to be a bit available, who won't be, But whoever's 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:27.480 out there, this is it. This is your last shot. 0:17:27.600 --> 0:17:30.160 Yeah, Well, a little bit of sponsor business here. West 0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:33.679 Sirius XMNFL Radio delivers hard hitting analysis and up to 0:17:33.680 --> 0:17:37.119 the minute NFL news that true football fanatics need. Twenty 0:17:37.160 --> 0:17:39.560 four to seven, three sixty five and had cousin subs. 0:17:39.600 --> 0:17:42.439 We have something for everyone, like our Wisconsin cheese curds, 0:17:42.480 --> 0:17:45.320 mac and cheese, golden fries, and creamy shakes, all paired 0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:47.399 with your favorite sub or sub in a bowl. Cousin 0:17:47.480 --> 0:17:51.600 subs fifty plus years of better. All right, before we go, 0:17:51.680 --> 0:17:53.879 I'll just throw this out. You throw this out at 0:17:53.920 --> 0:17:57.960 you A little bit open ended, whether it involves the 0:17:58.040 --> 0:17:59.879 Ravens and the joint practice in the game or not. 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:02.840 The Packers had there are two open practices left for 0:18:02.920 --> 0:18:07.080 the fans for training camp Tuesday afternoon and then also 0:18:07.119 --> 0:18:11.080 on Thursday, the joint practice against Baltimore. What's going to 0:18:11.119 --> 0:18:14.240 be the news this week, what are the storylines? What 0:18:14.240 --> 0:18:16.919 what are the things to watch here during this final 0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:20.240 week of training camp and into the preseason finale on 0:18:20.280 --> 0:18:21.160 Saturday afternoon. 0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:23.760 I'm very curious to see if the they shift the 0:18:23.800 --> 0:18:26.560 gears there with Zach Tom and Tucker Craft. Tucker told 0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:28.280 us right at the beginning of training camp he was 0:18:28.320 --> 0:18:31.000 not expecting to participate in this joint practice. He didn't 0:18:31.119 --> 0:18:34.000 in the team periods he was in Denver. You're saying 0:18:34.000 --> 0:18:37.119 in Denver, yes, yeah, yes, not this week. Uh, he 0:18:37.119 --> 0:18:39.320 didn't want He wasn't expected playing the preseason games. This 0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:41.280 was kind of maybe the time where you start to 0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:43.760 turn the engine up a little. 0:18:43.520 --> 0:18:46.600 Bit, kind of targeting, targeting the tail end here back 0:18:46.680 --> 0:18:47.440 training camp. 0:18:47.240 --> 0:18:49.879 Speaking, you know, in trying to to see if you 0:18:49.880 --> 0:18:51.640 can get where you need to get to Zach Tom 0:18:51.680 --> 0:18:54.600 in the same fashion, Jordan Morgan to bring it all 0:18:54.640 --> 0:18:56.280 around to you. I'm curious to see if we can 0:18:56.320 --> 0:18:58.680 finally start to see this first team offense maybe come 0:18:58.720 --> 0:19:00.959 together jell a little bit more in terms of what 0:19:01.000 --> 0:19:02.760 the pieces are going to be. We know what the 0:19:02.760 --> 0:19:04.560 backfield's going to look like, we know what the top 0:19:04.600 --> 0:19:06.159 four at receiver is going to look like, and to 0:19:06.160 --> 0:19:07.840 some extent, we know how the tight ends are going 0:19:07.920 --> 0:19:10.320