1 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 2 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:21,920 Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spoffer, joined as always 3 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: by my trusted colleague Weston Hodkowitz. We're coming to you 4 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 1: here from our studios at lambeau Field, back from Denver, 5 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 1: West and it bottom line, it wasn't pretty on Sunday night. 6 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: Twenty seven to two was the final score of the 7 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: preseason game. And we can talk a little bit about 8 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: what happened, and there certainly were some positives from the game, 9 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: but the bottom line is listening to Matt Lafleur after 10 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:51,200 Speaker 1: the game and he was talking about the effort, the strain, 11 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: the grit that he's looking for from his team. I 12 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: think he was already trying to send a message on 13 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: Sunday night from Denver that this week, this final week 14 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 1: of the preseason, leading up to the roster decisions, and 15 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:08,839 Speaker 1: everything is going to be about effort, strain, and grit. 16 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:10,839 Speaker 1: It's going to be about what he wants to see 17 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: from his players, regardless of what the results are. 18 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 2: Yep, I thought that was the biggest thing. It wasn't 19 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 2: so much about what the reaction was to that loss. 20 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 2: It's what the response is going to be this week 21 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 2: olding to Baltimore because now you're the team that's going 22 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 2: to hold serve here, You're the team that's going to 23 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 2: be hosting the joint practice against the Ravens, and ultimately 24 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 2: that is the quote unquote final audition on Saturday for 25 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 2: starting jobs, for roster spots, for everything in this competition. 26 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 2: It's a marason, but we are entering that final stretch 27 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 2: and it's important to have that kick to get you 28 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 2: to where you want to go. At the end, it 29 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 2: was a disappointing result. I mean, obviously we talked about 30 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 2: it with some of our other videos. Friday's practice. You know, 31 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 2: the Broncos in some ways kind of handed it to 32 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 2: Green Bay, especially after that maybe that first forty five 33 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 2: minutes it seemed like everything on Denver's side was sort 34 00:01:56,240 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 2: of going its way. Now it is a challenge. I 35 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 2: know everybody in the locker room will never use this 36 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 2: as an excuse when you're going up against a first 37 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 2: team in second you know, defense and offense. But that 38 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 2: being said, for me, it was more about when the 39 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 2: Broncos started to cycle out their starters for there was 40 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:19,239 Speaker 2: the response and the urgency to get that thing turned around. 41 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 2: Just didn't seem to be quite there. 42 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree that that's the way I felt. It's 43 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 1: what I was saying and the live blogg during the game, 44 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: I said it again an insider inbox when through basically 45 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 1: through the first quarter, quarter and a half of that game, 46 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: it was the Broncos starters against the Packers two's the 47 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: second unit players, and the Broncos controlled the action. There's 48 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 1: no doubt about that. They were dominating the action. The 49 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: Packers got knocked back on their heels in that first 50 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: quarter and quarter and a half when the starters were 51 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 1: in there, but then when the Broncos started substituting, it 52 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:56,920 Speaker 1: just felt like the Packers never responded. They sort of 53 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: felt it just felt like they were still on their 54 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: heels the whole game, like the tone of the game 55 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: had been set by the Broncos starters in really what 56 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: was kind of an NFL mismatch when you have starters 57 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 1: against a complete second team unit. But the Packers were 58 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:14,239 Speaker 1: never able to change that tone. They were never able 59 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: to alter what was going on, even when it became 60 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: more of a quote unquote fair fight with twos against 61 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,799 Speaker 1: twos or threes against threes, particularly on the offensive side 62 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: of the ball. I thought after the initial ten to 63 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: nothing spurt by bo Nix and Denver's starting offense, after that, 64 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: I thought the Packers defense actually did okay because really 65 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: the only points they gave up the rest of the 66 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: game were on short fields after turnovers, turnover on downs. 67 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 1: There was the interception, there was the fumble on the 68 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: strip sack, So I thought the Packers' defense held up 69 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: decently well after Denver starters left the game. There were 70 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: some mistackles, they allowed some third down conversions. I'm sure 71 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: they'd like to have back, But on balance, that are right. 72 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 1: It was you know, whether it was Sean Clifford at 73 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: quarterback or Michael Pratt, no matter who was in there 74 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 1: on the offensive line, the running game just never really 75 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: got going. There was never anything consistently established there. You know, 76 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:19,599 Speaker 1: some misthrows we heard after the game, some some poorly 77 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: run routes, you know. So it wasn't just on one guy. 78 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 1: And Matt Lafleur made sure to say that the offensive 79 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: struggles were not entirely on the quarterbacks. He wasn't excusing 80 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: the quarterbacks, but to say that it was all because 81 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:36,559 Speaker 1: of those guys would not be accurate. That being said, 82 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:40,840 Speaker 1: it's on It's on everybody, the guys up front, the quarterbacks, 83 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 1: the guys on defense who missed some tackles, whatever the 84 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 1: case might be. It's on everybody to rebound, to bounce 85 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:50,479 Speaker 1: back this week, to learn something from what happened in Denver, 86 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:52,919 Speaker 1: and and to really kind of look in the mirror 87 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: and just say, hey, that's not us, right, that's not 88 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:57,359 Speaker 1: the Green Bay Packers. I think that's the message the 89 00:04:57,400 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: coaches are going to try to send this week. Yeah. 90 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 2: I found it funny to you know, some people at 91 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,160 Speaker 2: incenter inbox were asking about like, well, what is this 92 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 2: really show? I mean, that is that big of a 93 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 2: gap between starting lever players in the NFL and like, 94 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:10,599 Speaker 2: you know, the back win guys. I thought it was 95 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 2: interesting because I was like, well, yeah, look at the 96 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:16,279 Speaker 2: contract difference between Mike mclinchy and Patrick Certan and what 97 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 2: the base minimum is for in NFL first or second 98 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 2: year player. That tells you the discrepancy between those level 99 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 2: of players in the NFL, right, And. 100 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: I think what people have to understand too. You know, 101 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: obviously we're not trying to make excuses for the Packers here, 102 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: and it really was about the effort and and the 103 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 1: grit and all that. The Packers just didn't display that 104 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:39,359 Speaker 1: in the game. So I'm not going to say that 105 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: it was there. But when everybody's getting kind of getting 106 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: all worked up and crazy about just where the Packers' 107 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: depth is, if you know, starters go down and what now, 108 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:51,600 Speaker 1: you have to understand it was an entire unit of 109 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 1: backups that was on the field, not just like one 110 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: player here or there that needs to be substituted for. 111 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: It was an entire unit of backups against an entire 112 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: unit of starters for a quarter to a quarter and 113 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: a half. That's going to be a mismatch in this league, 114 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: no matter who you're up against. I'm sorry, you know. 115 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:12,840 Speaker 1: And the Packers decided they that they were more interested 116 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: in protecting their starters from the risk of injury and 117 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: using this game regardless of how the Broncos wanted to 118 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: play it, using this game as an evaluation tool to 119 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: decide who's going to make this team, Who do they 120 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,280 Speaker 1: feel can help them, can contribute somewhere down the road, 121 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 1: who individually will be ready to step in for somebody 122 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: else if the need arises down the road, which it will, so. 123 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,359 Speaker 2: Very different situations too, where the Denver Broncos are at home. 124 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 2: I think I think there's a big difference between if 125 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:44,359 Speaker 2: you're hosting those joint practices. 126 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: I totally agree. We were talking about that when we 127 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 1: were out in Denver. We've seen it. You and I 128 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 1: have been on the road for joint practices. We've been 129 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:54,279 Speaker 1: at home for joint practices. It is a very different 130 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: feel when you are the road team at somebody else's 131 00:06:57,960 --> 00:06:58,840 Speaker 1: practice facility. 132 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:00,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. So, and that was the way it worked out, 133 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:02,479 Speaker 2: and yeah, we'll see how it goes. 134 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, with that, I do think there were there 135 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: were a few guys that are worth talking about who 136 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: who did show up and showed something I think to 137 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:16,239 Speaker 1: the coaching staff in this game. And where I start 138 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: with that is at the linebacker position, the off ball 139 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: linebacker spot, and two guys in particular, the rookie third 140 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: round pick for Missouri, Tyron Hopper, and the Veterans special 141 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: team or Christian Welch. I thought both of those guys 142 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: really showed up in this game and showed that. I 143 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 1: don't expect either guy to be a starter for the 144 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers. That is not the way things appear 145 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: to be. Unfolding. But I think both of those guys 146 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 1: showed that if they get called upon, they're going to 147 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 1: step in and play well. 148 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 2: First off, looking at Christian Welch, I mean, this is 149 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 2: a guy that has been in the National Football League 150 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 2: for four years now. He has cut his teeth mostly 151 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 2: on special teams, but he knows better than anybody with 152 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 2: the route that he took and kind of coming the 153 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 2: long way. You need to be able to maximize your 154 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 2: minutes in the preseason. You have to have big plays 155 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 2: on defense to kind of, you know, show yourself. I mean, 156 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 2: there's a reason why he went so hard to that 157 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 2: loose fumble against Cleven There's a reason why he jumped 158 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 2: as high as anybody on the field to get after 159 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 2: that interception in the second half, both plays getting off 160 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 2: to a better start, I thought really helped propel the Packers' 161 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 2: defense to our better performance in the second half with 162 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 2: the way that they performed. But then on the other 163 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 2: side of it, you have Tyron Hopper, who unfortunately had 164 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 2: the ankle injured crop up on him, has not been 165 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 2: out there, and even when he was, you had Edrin Cooper, 166 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 2: so he was kind of like the Tucker Craft to 167 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 2: the Luke Musgrave a little bit where he's not getting 168 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 2: all those number one reps and all that type of stuff. Well, 169 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 2: this game, Mike, he was able to be the mic 170 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 2: for it for most of the second half and being 171 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 2: able to get those reps and not come up with 172 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 2: eleven tackles. Was it flawless? No? Are the things to 173 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 2: learn from, yes, but you have to be able to 174 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:55,839 Speaker 2: learn those things. And the Green Bay Packers is they 175 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 2: if you remember this, when they first drafted Hopper, they said, 176 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 2: this is a guy we really like his upside, like 177 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 2: his explosiveness. We think he's going to be a good 178 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 2: football player. But they also talked about how he could 179 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 2: be a contributor to on special teams. Yeah. Well, now 180 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 2: he's lined up both offensively or excuse me, defensively and 181 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 2: on special teams against a guy that has quite literally 182 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 2: carved out a career for himself in that phase as well. 183 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 2: So talking to Hopper a little bit about that afterwards 184 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 2: and just the working with Welch and what that's done 185 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 2: for him. You know, Hopper obviously is a third round pick. 186 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 2: Ninety nine point nine percent is on this fifty three 187 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 2: man roster. Welch just doesn't have that type of security 188 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 2: right now. Yeah, but he's proving once again why he's 189 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 2: been able to stay in the league as long as 190 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 2: he has and just exactly the type of value he 191 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 2: provides to the Packers as one of those depth linebackers. 192 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, when Hopper was drafted in the third round that 193 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 1: second night of the draft, the phrase that stuck out 194 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 1: to me when we heard from buying Guda Kunst and 195 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 1: talking about him is in reviewing his film and why 196 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:53,719 Speaker 1: they liked him, they referred to his stopping power. And 197 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 1: so a guy like that comes into your program. But 198 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 1: all through you know, OTA's mini camp, there's no pads. 199 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: You know, it's you know, there isn't. There isn't the 200 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: level of physical contact. We were going to have to 201 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: wait until we saw him. And even in training camp 202 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 1: there isn't. You don't really get to see that because 203 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: it's all it's all thud and tagging off and and whatnot. 204 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: We were gonna have to wait to a preseason game 205 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: to see the actual stopping power of Tyron Hopper in action. 206 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 1: And he missed the first preseason game in Cleveland. Well, 207 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:26,719 Speaker 1: in this game against Denver, he was out there and 208 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 1: you saw what Brian Gouda Kunz was talking about when 209 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: he said stopping power, because when Tyron Hopper hit the 210 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 1: running back in the hole, the momentum of the ballcarrier 211 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 1: was stopped and and there you can't you can't coach 212 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: that kind of thing in a football player. It's just 213 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 1: it's his style of play. It's it's the body type, 214 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 1: it's how he uses his body and his leverage. And 215 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: I thought it was I thought it was pretty impressive, 216 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: like you, like you just said, was it a perfect performance? 217 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: By no means there are going to be things that 218 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:59,319 Speaker 1: he's going to look at on the film and go, Okay, yeah, 219 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: I can do this, but I can do that better. 220 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: The coaches are going to work with him on that. 221 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: But Tyron Hopper in his first preseason game as a 222 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 1: Green Bay Packer, he came as advertised that he that's 223 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: what we were told the type of player that he was, 224 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:13,479 Speaker 1: and I thought he showed up in that fashion. 225 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 2: Absolutely, And now has that opportunity going into Baltimore, probably 226 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 2: will play quite a bit, you'd imagine as well. 227 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 1: I would imagine so. 228 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 2: And the other thing too, You've had a chance to 229 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 2: talk to him before as well. It's so weird to 230 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:27,199 Speaker 2: me when people would look at these numbers with these 231 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:29,199 Speaker 2: guys like him and Cooper both coming out of college, 232 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 2: and it's like, oh, they're right around the two thirty mark. Boy, Michael, 233 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 2: I don't know what it was like covered in NFL 234 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 2: locker room in nineteen ninety five, you know, or when 235 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 2: you had the Winston Moss type, you know, linebackers out there. 236 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 2: But I do not think Tyron Hopper is small, like 237 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 2: just just his length, his size, the way he carries 238 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 2: his weight. I mean, these are real supreme premier athletes 239 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 2: that we're dealing with. And if you can stand up 240 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 2: to a hunter or excuse me, a two hundred and 241 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 2: twenty pound running back in the hole with that frame, boy, 242 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 2: I think you really got a chance because it all 243 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 2: so is going to be what helps you on the 244 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 2: coverage aspect of it as well. Yeah. 245 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: Absolutely, Well, we saw the Packers continue to try to 246 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: figure some things out on the offensive line, working different 247 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: guys at tackle. We saw again Sean Ryan, Jacob Munk, 248 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: guys like that working at the at the interior spots. 249 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:23,199 Speaker 1: It wasn't a good performance by the Packers offensive line. 250 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 1: And and I'm no expert by any means I haven't 251 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: gone over all the film, you know, frame by frame 252 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 1: or play by play or anything like that. But I'm 253 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: sure with what happened out there, especially against Denver's starting defense, 254 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 1: that the Packers have have some film to evaluate to 255 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 1: sort things out here in terms of and there's still 256 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 1: a week to go there. You know, nothing has been 257 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: one hundred percent set in stone yet, but I have 258 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:51,679 Speaker 1: to believe that they they got some pretty good evaluation 259 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:55,839 Speaker 1: as to the players that that on the offensive line 260 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 1: in terms of those backups and how they want to 261 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 1: how they want to arrange that room for the start 262 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 1: of the regular season, the direction that they're going to go. 263 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:06,079 Speaker 2: They mix it up. In this game, we saw Travis Glover, 264 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 2: the rookie sixth round pick out of Georgia State. He 265 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 2: ended up going in with the number twos at right tackle. 266 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 2: He traditionally has been working as a number three right tackle. 267 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 2: That allowed Kadeem Telford then to go over to the 268 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 2: left side after Andrey Diller had started at left tackle. 269 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 2: Later on in the game, Caleb Jones comes in, so 270 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 2: they were working and matching the guys a little bit. 271 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 2: Glover ended up with forty eight the offensive snaps eighty 272 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 2: one percent of the total. The fifty nine total Jacob 273 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 2: Munk but was working between two different spots forty two 274 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 2: snaps seventy one percent of the total. Telford had thirty 275 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 2: nine snaps in this game. That's what you want to do. 276 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 2: I mean, the Packers still have a lot of figuring 277 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 2: out to do, and the fact that Sean Ryan started 278 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:44,679 Speaker 2: at center as they've kind of tried to do. Even 279 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 2: though he is right now I think in that right 280 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 2: guard role because of the injury to Jordan Morgan, they 281 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 2: still are looking at him as potentially the movable chess 282 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:55,959 Speaker 2: piece there as well in this offensive line. Everybody had 283 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 2: something to learn from this. Everybody had something they could 284 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 2: take away from it. They did get the running game 285 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 2: going a little bit better in the second half. You 286 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:06,199 Speaker 2: saw the one explosive play they had with Emmanuel Wilson. 287 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 2: Again another reminder that if you just give Wilson a 288 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 2: little bit of wiggle room there, the guy is going 289 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 2: to be able to create with it. I know, I 290 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 2: saw Manuel's tweet. I know he wasn't happy with his performance. 291 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 2: I know the pressure that was there with him going 292 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 2: back to Denver. But again, this is a guy that continues. 293 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 2: I feel like to be the Belkow for this team 294 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 2: in this preseason and did the best with what he could. 295 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 2: As far as this old line goes, I think it 296 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 2: is going. It's going to go right down to the 297 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 2: wire and trying to figure out exactly who that swing 298 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 2: tackle is going to be. Who's going to be your 299 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 2: eight to nine on the offensive line. You know, Jacob 300 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 2: Munk obviously the fifth round pick, has an inside track 301 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 2: on that. You know. You know, Jordan Morgan, hopefully they 302 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 2: get him back in here. He could see a preseason 303 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 2: action this week. We'll wait and see if that is 304 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 2: something that comes to fruition, right, But there's so many 305 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 2: guys Michael probably outside of Elton, Josh Myers and Zach 306 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 2: tom that could really use the work still, So it'll 307 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 2: be interesting to see how they allocate those reps because 308 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 2: that has been a rotation that has continued through out 309 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 2: the spring, in the summer and it continues to fluctuate. 310 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, this was a reminder in some ways too for 311 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 1: me just how just how thin the margins can be 312 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: in some respects, and people are gonna say thin the 313 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: margins twenty seven to two, Like, what are you talking about? Well, 314 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 1: take a look at the Packers opening series. You have 315 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 1: a backup offensive unit against a starting defense the first 316 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 1: third down of the game, and Adam Stenovitch says, let's 317 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: take a shot right single coverage on the outside with 318 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: Malik Heath. And that was a heck of a ball 319 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: by Sean Clifford, and Heath made a heck of an 320 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: effort to try to haul it in, just couldn't quite 321 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 1: get it on the dive inside the ten yard line, 322 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 1: or at least in the red zone down there, Malie 323 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 1: Heath comes up with that catch, We're having a completely 324 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 1: different conversation about where the Packers are, right. I mean, 325 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: that play was darn close to being a big one 326 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: of backup guys against a starting defensive unit. So I 327 00:15:56,920 --> 00:16:00,080 Speaker 1: just wanted to point that out because I thought in 328 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: this receiver competition, because we had talked about bow Melton, 329 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 1: Grand Dubo's and whatnot, I thought Malie Heath showed up 330 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: in this game. He made I believe it was three receptions. 331 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: He had other targets his way. That big one early 332 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: in the ballgame would have been huge to come down with, 333 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 1: but it was that close. And when I talk about 334 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 1: the Packers getting knocked on their heels. Well, the Packers 335 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: were that close to throwing the first punch in this 336 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 1: game with their backup players. So something to keep in 337 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 1: mind here going forward. 338 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, and if I may, I mean, that's a great 339 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 2: point you raise because I wrote this an insight or inbox. 340 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 2: It goes back to twenty twelve for me with Graham 341 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 2: Harrell and the second and third team offense back then, 342 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 2: which was kind of struggling at points during that training 343 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 2: camp Kansas City. At that point they decided, Hey, I 344 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 2: think it was when Todd Haley was still the head 345 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 2: coach that last preseason game against Green Bay, We're going 346 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 2: to run our starters for the first half. So Graham 347 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 2: Harrell in the backup offensive line they had to go 348 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 2: up against that. Harrow was almost perfect in the first half, 349 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 2: and that's what solidified himself. Right, It's the opportunity, it's 350 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 2: what presented to you. Everybody understands that's how goes. And 351 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 2: I talked to Tyler Davis about this after the game, and, 352 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 2: you know, kind of lamenting how everything went. He said, Listen, 353 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:06,119 Speaker 2: all of our second team guys, most of these guys 354 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 2: have played in NFL games. Most of these guys have 355 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:10,919 Speaker 2: seen this type of competition before. We have to be 356 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 2: able to reach that challenge. And now, however it shuffles 357 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 2: out this week. Matt Lefuer said afterwards, he isn't exactly 358 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 2: sure at the time in which we're taping this how 359 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:21,879 Speaker 2: he's going to allocate this last preseason game. Who's going 360 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 2: to be a bit available, who won't be, But whoever's 361 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 2: out there, this is it. This is your last shot. 362 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:30,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, a little bit of sponsor business here. West 363 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,679 Speaker 1: Sirius XMNFL Radio delivers hard hitting analysis and up to 364 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:37,119 Speaker 1: the minute NFL news that true football fanatics need. 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You throw this out at 371 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: you A little bit open ended, whether it involves the 372 00:17:58,040 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 1: Ravens and the joint practice in the game or not. 373 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: The Packers had there are two open practices left for 374 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 1: the fans for training camp Tuesday afternoon and then also 375 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: on Thursday, the joint practice against Baltimore. What's going to 376 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 1: be the news this week, what are the storylines? What 377 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:16,919 Speaker 1: what are the things to watch here during this final 378 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: week of training camp and into the preseason finale on 379 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:21,160 Speaker 1: Saturday afternoon. 380 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 2: I'm very curious to see if the they shift the 381 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 2: gears there with Zach Tom and Tucker Craft. Tucker told 382 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 2: us right at the beginning of training camp he was 383 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 2: not expecting to participate in this joint practice. He didn't 384 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 2: in the team periods he was in Denver. You're saying 385 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 2: in Denver, yes, yeah, yes, not this week. Uh, he 386 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 2: didn't want He wasn't expected playing the preseason games. This 387 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 2: was kind of maybe the time where you start to 388 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 2: turn the engine up a little. 389 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 1: Bit, kind of targeting, targeting the tail end here back 390 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 1: training camp. 391 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:49,879 Speaker 2: Speaking, you know, in trying to to see if you 392 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:51,640 Speaker 2: can get where you need to get to Zach Tom 393 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 2: in the same fashion, Jordan Morgan to bring it all 394 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 2: around to you. I'm curious to see if we can 395 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:58,680 Speaker 2: finally start to see this first team offense maybe come 396 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:00,959 Speaker 2: together jell a little bit more in terms of what 397 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 2: the pieces are going to be. We know what the 398 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 2: backfield's going to look like, we know what the top 399 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:06,159 Speaker 2: four at receiver is going to look like, and to 400 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 2: some extent, we know how the tight ends are going 401 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 2: to be. But what is that offensive line going to see? 402 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:12,679 Speaker 2: How is that those Dominos finally going to just settle? 403 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 2: What's that going to be? And offensively, can we start 404 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 2: to feel where this unit is going to go? They 405 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 2: were so hot at the end of last season, and 406 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:23,920 Speaker 2: this is a new team, a new year, a new challenge, 407 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:26,640 Speaker 2: and there has been eight months of film that teams 408 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 2: have been studying on Jordan Love now trying to have 409 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 2: their counter to what he's doing. We're not going to 410 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 2: get all those answers this week, but in terms of 411 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 2: the Green Bay Packers trying to have everything settle in 412 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 2: for what this team's going to look like in Brazil, 413 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 2: I think this next week is going to be really 414 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 2: pivotal to that. 415 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think a lot of eyes all 416 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: week long, both in the regular practices, the joint practice, 417 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 1: the preseason game. A lot of eyes are going to 418 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 1: be on the backup quarterbacks here, Sean Clifford and Michael Pratt, 419 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 1: and we've seen the talent of both of these young 420 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 1: men on the practice field. We saw it in you know, 421 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 1: the game in Cleveland. We saw it in preseason games 422 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:07,439 Speaker 1: last year with Clifford when he was a rookie. So 423 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:11,160 Speaker 1: the Packers know what they have. I think this this 424 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: week becomes, you know, maybe maybe in terms of the spotlight, 425 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 1: you know, with with those guys. This week becomes about 426 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:21,359 Speaker 1: how do they respond to what happened in Denver. Neither 427 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 1: guy is happy with how things went. I'm sure they 428 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: have a lot of regrets about how they played, and 429 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 1: it's not fun watching film of that when when you 430 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:33,399 Speaker 1: see opportunities out there as a quarterback to make plays 431 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:36,120 Speaker 1: and they weren't made. Whether they were whether they were 432 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 1: your fault, whether there's somebody else's a combination thereof doesn't matter. 433 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: When you're the quarterback, you feel that those plays have 434 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:45,640 Speaker 1: to be made. And so I think I in terms 435 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 1: of that whole rebound bounce back idea, I think Sean 436 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:52,679 Speaker 1: Clifford and Michael Pratt are they are are guys to 437 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 1: watch really really closely this week because the Packers need 438 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,679 Speaker 1: to decide who is going to be Jordan Love's backup 439 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:00,680 Speaker 1: and are they going to keep three cores on the 440 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:02,679 Speaker 1: fifty three man roster or are they just going to 441 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:05,159 Speaker 1: go with two. There are a lot of decisions to 442 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:08,439 Speaker 1: be made here in the next seven to eight days. 443 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 2: Being in the locker room listening to Sean talk on 444 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:12,920 Speaker 2: Sunday night, he could not get in the film room 445 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 2: fast enough. Yeah, he even told the reporters He's like, 446 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 2: I want to be critiqued. I want to be held 447 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:19,640 Speaker 2: to the highest standard. That was not good. He's never 448 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,120 Speaker 2: been skunked before. Offensively, He's never been in a game 449 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 2: where he just his offense has not produced any points 450 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 2: at any level. So that's something that's sticking in his 451 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 2: crawl a little bit. And I'm very interested to see. 452 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,640 Speaker 2: Every single time Sean Clifford has been knocked down, sometimes 453 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,119 Speaker 2: in the same exact game, sometimes in back to back series, 454 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,160 Speaker 2: he has bounced back. What is the response from him 455 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,400 Speaker 2: this week. I'm sure he's going to come and highly motivated. 456 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 2: And a guy like Michael Pratt, who has put together 457 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:46,680 Speaker 2: really nice practices, has shown in NFL caliber arm YEP 458 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 2: like Clifford, has played a lot of football. What his 459 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 2: final statement is going to be this week is going 460 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,719 Speaker 2: to be critical because that ties into this receiving battle. 461 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 2: It ties into what happens on the offensive line. There's 462 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:01,159 Speaker 2: so many domino effects that go with the quarterback, so 463 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,199 Speaker 2: many guys. You think about Malik Heath last year, well, 464 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 2: Malik Heath's case for a roster spot was somewhat booyed 465 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 2: by what Sean Clifford was doing in those games. So 466 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,880 Speaker 2: that's going to be really critical. And defensively, this joint 467 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 2: practice will be very interesting once we get to it, 468 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 2: because it's going to be a Lamar Jackson. It's going 469 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:21,159 Speaker 2: to be a very untraditional, unconventional offense compared to what 470 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 2: Green Bay usually sees in the NFC North And how 471 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,679 Speaker 2: Jeff Haffley's system is going to be tested by that. 472 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:31,360 Speaker 2: How the defensive fronts responsibilities and roles, how that's going 473 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 2: to be tested in this I think we're going to 474 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:35,199 Speaker 2: learn a lot and it'll be fun to actually have 475 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 2: this thing back in green Bay. By the time we 476 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:38,439 Speaker 2: got done in Denver, Michael, I felt like I'd been 477 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,639 Speaker 2: there for a month, So like, I'm excited to be 478 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 2: in green Bay. 479 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: We spent Yeah, we spent a long time in Denver 480 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:48,120 Speaker 1: to do that. In August the other the other one, 481 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 1: and yes, there are backup positions roster spots to get 482 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 1: sorted out. But the other high profile competition of course 483 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 1: going on to which there has not been an answer 484 00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: delivered yet, is that kicker and unform. Because the offense 485 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,880 Speaker 1: was struggling throughout the Denver game, there's only one opportunity 486 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 1: to put points on the board offensively, Greg Joseph missed 487 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: a forty seven yard field goal, but that's all we 488 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 1: got to see. And even in the joint practice on Friday, 489 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: there were just a few reps you know, from each 490 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: of the kickers or it wasn't the level of the 491 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 1: kicking competition that we've seen throughout practices. So that's another 492 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: thing I think gets you know, gets a pretty big 493 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,199 Speaker 1: spotlight here in this final week is what are the 494 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 1: Packers going to do at kicker? 495 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 2: Packers had one field goal opportunity in there and they 496 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 2: called number two's number to go out there to do it. 497 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 2: This has been a back and forth battle. There's been 498 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 2: times where I felt like Joseph had the lead and 499 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 2: there's been times where Carlson's pulled himself back out front. Obviously, 500 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 2: Alex Hale is still on the roster as well. The 501 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:49,400 Speaker 2: kicker they signed a couple weeks ago. So the Packers 502 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,920 Speaker 2: are in a position right now where they've seen how 503 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 2: critical it is to have that position locked down and 504 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,199 Speaker 2: to feel confident in who your guy is going to be. 505 00:23:57,920 --> 00:23:59,880 Speaker 2: Much like a lot of these battles, it's been going 506 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 2: on since April. I mean, it just has been a 507 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 2: continuous daily grind. Who's going to be the one that 508 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,920 Speaker 2: responds to that? These practices probably are going to be very, 509 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 2: very interesting to watch. You got one more week here 510 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 2: to make your statement, and also who gets the opportunities 511 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 2: in that game against Baltimore. This is the position battle 512 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:21,919 Speaker 2: that I think everybody has had at the top of 513 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 2: their list, honestly because of how things ended last season, 514 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:28,159 Speaker 2: because of the question having you know, Mason Crosby for 515 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 2: sixteen years, and just even during Mason's downspots, there never 516 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 2: was a thing where it was like, Okay, well he's 517 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 2: competing against the Greg Joseph. It never came to that. 518 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 2: They'd never had a fifth or six year guy in 519 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 2: here going up against him. It's always was Mason against 520 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 2: you know, an undrafted guy or somebody that could be 521 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 2: a potential long term person, developmental prospect. Yeah, now it 522 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,920 Speaker 2: is a real legitimate competition between guys that have kicked 523 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 2: in the National Football League. And again we're entering that 524 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 2: final turn and the horses are still pretty close. 525 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. The answer has not been delivered, but with that, 526 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 1: we'll call it a rap on this edition of Packers Unscripted. 527 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,879 Speaker 1: On our next show, will Ye, we will look ahead 528 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 1: even more to that joint practice with the Ravens the 529 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 1: preseason finale against the Ravens. So continue to follow all 530 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,679 Speaker 1: of our coverage of Packers' training camp. We will have 531 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 1: it all for you on Packers dot com. For Wes, 532 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 1: I am Mike. Thank you for tuning in everybody. We 533 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:23,359 Speaker 1: will see you next time.