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Speaker 3: dot com. Speaking of Israel, by the way, let's punk

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Speaker 3: to the Jeffrey Epstein story, shall we here? With Donald

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Speaker 3: Trump now floating a potential pardon for Galaine Maxwell, not

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Speaker 3: saying he's going to do it, but you know, not ruling.

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Speaker 1: It out either. Quote, I am allowed to do it

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Speaker 1: if I want to. Let's take a lesson.

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Speaker 3: Would you consider a pardon or a commutation for Eli Maxwell?

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Speaker 1: And if you love something, I haven't thought about it.

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Speaker 4: Really, I don't recommend you.

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Speaker 1: It's something I'm allowed to do it, but it's something

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Speaker 1: I have none.

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Speaker 4: I've thought about it.

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Speaker 3: Something I haven't thought about, but I am allowed to

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Speaker 3: do it, you know, if I am allowed to at it.

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Speaker 3: This is after Gallaine had this extraordinary meeting with the

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Speaker 3: Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche. We have video of her.

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Speaker 3: I'll talk over it while it is playing. You're actually

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Speaker 3: watching her walk back into prison in Tallahassee, Florida, carrying

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Speaker 3: the boxes of her discovery. The details of this, guys,

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Speaker 3: are extremely unclear. So the circumstances that this all kind

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Speaker 3: of came about, if we go to the next part,

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Speaker 3: is that these meetings were initiated by the Department of Justice.

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Speaker 3: Quote she answered questions for about nine hours over two

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Speaker 3: days and was quote granted a limited form of immunity. Now,

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Speaker 3: people took a lot out of this, but let me

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Speaker 3: just slightly explain. Because she's already been convicted, the limited

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Speaker 3: form of immunity doesn't necessarily apply in way. People are

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Speaker 3: thinking that she's not getting away with anything. According to them,

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Speaker 3: the Gallaine maxwell mentioned over one hundred different names that

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Speaker 3: bear investigation in relation to the Epstein story. Now that's

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Speaker 3: according at least to some leaks coming out from the

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Speaker 3: government as well as statements by the Deputy Attorney General.

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Speaker 3: But the entire thing stinks to high heaven. And this

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Speaker 3: kind of gets to the pardon question because all of

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Speaker 3: this is coming about as these Wall Street Journal story

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Speaker 3: drops about Trump and Jeffrey Epstein and the letter that

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Speaker 3: he wrote to him, as well as all of these

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Speaker 3: other powerful people, all of whom, by the way, have

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Speaker 3: verified connections to Epstein. We have the photo of the

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Speaker 3: book now dropped by the New York Times where Trump

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Speaker 3: signed it to Jeffrey Epstein in nineteen ninety.

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Speaker 1: Seven, Photos of the two of them being relieved.

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Speaker 3: Who was it with James Brown, the singer, just to show,

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Speaker 3: you know, photos at his second wedding right of Epstein,

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Speaker 3: who is attending there, Ghlaine Maxwell. Obviously these photos have

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Speaker 3: all been out there for a long time, not Trump

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Speaker 3: and Epstein, but you know Glaine at the Clinton wedding right,

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Speaker 3: So obviously to the way that they were enmeshed in

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Speaker 3: question is why now, Because what we've seen previous is

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Speaker 3: not have been enmeshed in this blackmail scheme. But the

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Speaker 3: problem is that Trump has a direct political incentive right

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Speaker 3: now to make sure that his own name doesn't surface

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Speaker 3: it doesn't implicate Trump, and then leads to some sort

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Speaker 3: of pardon you know, that is immune from the not

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Speaker 3: lot of open questions. This is why they should have

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Speaker 3: the whole thing stinks, thinks.

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Speaker 2: Too high end, well obvious, what's going on here. Wants

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Speaker 2: And what in exchange she thinks she's gonna blow the

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Speaker 5: Well, of course not.

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Speaker 2: It's going to be all about handing over like whatever

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Speaker 2: one hundred thousand pages of doctor. They have terabytes of information,

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Speaker 2: of information that they could release. We don't have to

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Speaker 2: pardon a pedo sex criminal trafficker who should spend the

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Speaker 2: You want to talk about a groomer like, this woman

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Speaker 2: personally victimize and get into the trafficking what was effectively

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Speaker 2: like a pedo trafficking Ponzi scheme. She was the main

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Speaker 2: you know, I'm starting to will cover the like magger

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Speaker 2: reaction to this idea that she got a raw dealer.

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Speaker 5: Oh, this is so unfair.

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Speaker 2: Like what is unfair is that there aren't other people

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Speaker 5: But she don't get it.

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Speaker 2: She belongs there, and so the fact that it's even

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Speaker 5: To do it. I do think he's going to do it.

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Speaker 2: But he's even considering pardoning her, and we have reporting

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Speaker 2: from the past, Corny and Michael Wolfe at least that

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Speaker 2: he had considered pardoning her before. It's so grotesque and

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Speaker 2: he thinks that we're all stupid that we can't see

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Speaker 2: what's happening here. People need to acquaint themselves with the term,

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Speaker 2: if you're not familiar, limited hangout, because that's exactly.

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Speaker 5: What's going on here.

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Speaker 2: Is like in order to sort of like push off

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Speaker 2: acting guilty as how like he's got all kinds of

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Speaker 2: things to cover up. In order to like diffuse that scandal,

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Speaker 2: this scandal. But obviously you're carefully concealing anything that would

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Speaker 2: And at this point in time, what is the most

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Speaker 2: important information that we could Yes, I would expose all

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Speaker 2: of the pedophile criminals, do that. But the most important

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Speaker 2: piece of information we need right now is does Masade

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Speaker 2: have blackmail pedal material on the President of the United States?

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Speaker 2: And if you if we are not in pursuit of

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Speaker 2: the relentlessly in pursuit of that information, then it is

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Speaker 2: you know, we are really really missing the train on

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Speaker 3: I mean, it sounds like Russia Gate level stuff and

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Speaker 3: completely No, That's part of the issue is that I'm

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Speaker 3: going to be clear. I didn't believe that. I'm still

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Speaker 3: not really I still don't really believe that. But the

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Speaker 3: clear that you know, you got to ask something about like,

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Speaker 3: what the hell is going on with your actions around

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Speaker 3: these files? And from the very beginning, and let's put

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Speaker 3: this next one up here on the screen, shall we.

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Speaker 1: This is from the New York Times.

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Speaker 3: D four, because what you see here is quote how

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Speaker 3: a frantic scouring of the Epstein files consumed the Justice Department.

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Speaker 3: And in the story they talk specifically by the way,

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Speaker 3: I don't fully believe this. This is all kind of like,

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Speaker 3: it's kind of you know the FBI line in terms

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Speaker 3: of how they didn't end up discovering some sort of

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Speaker 3: grand conspiracy. But they're saying they compiled more than one

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Speaker 3: hundred thousand pages of materials related to Epstein in terms

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Speaker 3: all of the different stuff that they've seized and all

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Speaker 3: of that over the years, and that of those one

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Speaker 3: hundred thousand files, none of them absent what previously has

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Speaker 3: the government now, they claim. The bureau's oone expert document

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Speaker 3: reviewers have raised questions about whether it's being rushed or

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Speaker 3: material from being released. But let's not pretend that they

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Speaker 3: But and everyone says like, oh, just appearing in the

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Speaker 3: You could still be involved in some extremely like grand

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Speaker 1: Cover up at like the highest level.

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Speaker 3: So the point is, there's one hundred thousand pages of

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Speaker 3: limited hangout stuff. That's what this entire thing looks like.

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Speaker 3: And a lot of it has been distracted in terms

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Speaker 2: You don't have to go to the courts, and you

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Speaker 2: don't have to pardon a convicted sex criminal. You don't

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Speaker 2: have to do any of that. You have in the government,

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Speaker 2: in the you know.

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Speaker 1: FBI, under the executive purview.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, under the executive purview, you have vastly more information

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Speaker 2: why doesn't he just release it? And we already know,

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Speaker 2: you know, this has now been reported.

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Speaker 5: He's in the files.

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Speaker 2: Democrats who were implicated, and listen, it's by partisan Don't

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Speaker 2: get me wrong here.

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Speaker 5: I'm sure they're Democrats. Donors on you know.

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Speaker 2: Wealthy people who have contributed to both political parties. But

442
00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,800
Speaker 2: it's so incredibly dishonest to paint this woman as a

443
00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,640
Speaker 2: brave truth teller, to paint what Trump is doing as

444
00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:10,359
Speaker 2: anything other than a desperate scheme to distract and to

445
00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,960
Speaker 2: cover his own ass from whatever the files have to

446
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Speaker 2: say about it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Another thing that bothers me is having covered the

448
00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:21,400
Speaker 3: Galain thing is she was not just convicted of sex trafficking.

449
00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,520
Speaker 3: You should remember the people who testified at her trial

450
00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,040
Speaker 3: said that she raped them to she did, and like

451
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Speaker 3: that's part of why calling her a victim is so

452
00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:31,760
Speaker 3: sick and is so crazy, because it was not just

453
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Speaker 3: facilitating but which by the way, I mean, what we're

454
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Speaker 3: going to let off the hook of somebody who was

455
00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:38,800
Speaker 3: walking up to teenage girls and giving them cash to

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Speaker 3: continue to mess out. She actually was physically involved in

457
00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,200
Speaker 3: some of these encounters, right, And that's not my word.

458
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Speaker 3: Take it from the jury of her peers that convicted her.

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Speaker 3: Under the testimony of these charges, I guess Tracy and

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Speaker 3: others would.

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Speaker 1: Say that they're liars who only wanted money. But okay,

462
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Speaker 1: you know, you can take it up with the legal system.

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Speaker 3: You should see them, I guess for defamation or libel

464
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Speaker 3: if you want to point that out, merely going off

465
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Speaker 3: of even in the narrow conviction for which she was

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Speaker 3: found guilty of, that's what they presented at trial. And

467
00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:10,119
Speaker 3: so that's who we're dealing with here, you know, in

468
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Speaker 3: terms of the monster. And not only that, you can

469
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Speaker 3: see from the evidence of why she's so dangerous, not

470
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,520
Speaker 3: just a trumpet to all these other people, because what

471
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Speaker 3: do we learn from the trump The birthday book compiled

472
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Speaker 3: by Galane over six thousand names reaching out to the

473
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Speaker 3: biggest most powerful people in the world, Bill Clinton, Leon Black, Dershowitz,

474
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Speaker 3: Verra Wang, you know, like looking at these people like

475
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Speaker 3: Vera Wang, like fashion designers. Stephanopoulos was over at it

476
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Speaker 3: like she was his social secretary for like two decades,

477
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Speaker 3: just flitting about and basically organizing things on his behalf.

478
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Speaker 3: And so that's why the narrowly tailored charges against her

479
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:57,640
Speaker 3: are so so obvious in terms of their ploy Yeah,

480
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Speaker 3: it gets to our point previously, but also you can

481
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Speaker 3: see how people who are not familiar with the case

482
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Speaker 3: are now talking basically about some sort of deal with Gilaine,

483
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Speaker 3: which again cannot be trusted. So here was Charlie Kirk

484
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Speaker 3: and others talking about it.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 8: Sowell is currently sentenced to twenty years in federal prison

487
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Speaker 8: for sex trafficking, but it's pursuing a claim that her

488
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:22,440
Speaker 8: trial was unfair. Since she is still contesting her own case,

489
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Speaker 8: that may impact what she is ready to tell prosecutors.

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Speaker 8: But maybe some kind of a deal could be reached

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Speaker 8: for information we will.

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Speaker 9: Todd Blanche, the deput Attorney General, has met with Gislin

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Speaker 9: Maxwell over the last two days. She has sung like

494
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Speaker 9: a canary and is getting ready to turn States evidence

495
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Speaker 9: against Clinton. Bill Gates, the head of Harvard and amongst

496
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Speaker 9: other gloveless financiers who literally we're going to Epstein Island,

497
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Speaker 9: sometimes living at Epstein's Layer in New York and so

498
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Speaker 9: much more so, the Democrats pushing Trump on this and

499
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Speaker 9: trying to connect him to all of this has massively backfired.

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Speaker 9: And I'm gon say, for twenty plus days as this

501
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 9: all broke, Trump needs to lean into this and order

502
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Speaker 9: everything release. And that's all starting. Democrat judges all over

503
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 9: the country Florida, New York are trying to block the

504
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 9: release of the Epstein files now, so Trump has called

505
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Speaker 9: their bluff. I've done deep research on this. I have

506
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 9: we've seen any real connections anything illegal with Trump at Epstein.

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Speaker 7: Everybody's been calling for more transparency. This is what transparency

508
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 7: looks like. And whether you like it or not, join

509
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 7: Nashwell coming forward and then testifying on behalf of what

510
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Speaker 7: she knows is what we have been calling for on

511
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Speaker 7: this channel.

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Speaker 5: Oh my god. So we'll see what real transparency looks like.

513
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Speaker 2: It's just amazing how they buy it all, like hook

514
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Speaker 2: line and Sinker is just incredible.

515
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Speaker 3: Well, what they need to point out is, yeah, look,

516
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,159
Speaker 3: it is great to esculate, but again, you need to

517
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,399
Speaker 3: look at the motivations of the government now in this

518
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 3: particular case, and you also need to make sure that

519
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 3: anything that is said from this point forward is actually done,

520
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,160
Speaker 3: you know, in a setting and circumstances which can be trusted,

521
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Speaker 3: because the way that this has all been handled is

522
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 3: absolutely insane. So anyway, that's just look, we'll see where

523
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:07,919
Speaker 3: things go. I am already feeling like the Epstein mania,

524
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:11,160
Speaker 3: you know, to the extent where people on the right

525
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 3: were felt betrayed and all of that is dissipating. They

526
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,439
Speaker 3: see it in this perverse way. The journal thing is

527
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,639
Speaker 3: the best thing that ever happened to Trump because when

528
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 3: they saw that Trump himself was to directly under attack,

529
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 3: a lot of the energy came out of the room

530
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,119
Speaker 3: and they were like, oh no, this is an attack vector.

531
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Speaker 3: So left wing YouTubers, it's on you guys now, you know,

532
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,879
Speaker 3: it's it's up to the Midas Touches in all of

533
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 3: those people of the world to get people whipped up

534
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,239
Speaker 3: on this because otherwise it's going to fizzle out like this,

535
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 3: they'll just stop covering.

536
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean in the mainstream pross to continue

537
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,679
Speaker 2: to you know, dig and release and whatever. Whistleblowers in

538
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Speaker 2: the FBI, I hope I want to say about what's

539
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:47,360
Speaker 2: really going.

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Speaker 3: Like I said, you can't really trust their motivation either, right,

541
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 3: Like a lot of them hate it. Fine, you know,

542
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 3: hate Trump. Listen, leak against the guy all you want.

543
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,159
Speaker 2: I think it's great also innovation, but you can you know,

544
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 2: very information.

545
00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 3: My message to the FBI whistleblowers is, gave me some

546
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 3: stuff on you know, listen Trump, keep it up all right, fine,

547
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 3: I have no issue with it.

548
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 1: Ever, let's go deeper, like, let's see what else is.

549
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 3: In there, because something tells me that not all of

550
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 3: what's going to look good for all of you and

551
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 3: your buddies either, And that's part of part of my

552
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 3: problem with this whole thing, is the way that it's all,

553
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,719
Speaker 3: you know, kind of being massaged about.

554
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,880
Speaker 2: I thought it was important that the Journal also published

555
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Speaker 2: that Bill Clinton was in the same birthday book and

556
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Speaker 2: other people, because I mean I even saw I saw

557
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,359
Speaker 2: jd Vance really trying to like backtrack after that, like

558
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 2: I never said the book was fake, but like, maybe

559
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Speaker 2: you know, we don't know that this was really Trump's letter,

560
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 2: and it's like, no, you were claiming that this was

561
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 2: all No, they said, totally made up. And so once

562
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Speaker 2: they released like oh Bill Clinton was in it too,

563
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 2: and here's his letter, then suddenly that changed things because

564
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 2: it wasn't just about Trump. It was like, oh, they

565
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 2: have the whole thing, and you know, they aren't just

566
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 2: focusing on this guy. So I think it lent first

567
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 2: for anyone who's like looking at this honestly, which is

568
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Speaker 2: frankly very few people. I think it lent more credibility

569
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Speaker 2: to that reporting.

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Speaker 1: I would hope.

571
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Speaker 3: So, and again I just think it's you know, evidence

572
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Speaker 3: of why I mean, I want to see every damn

573
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Speaker 3: name in the book to be hones.

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00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 1: Honest, and every single little joke that everybody was.

575
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,919
Speaker 2: Writing all the stuff about like protecting the victims, yes,

576
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 2: protecting the powerful people that were running around with this,

577
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 2: Like what are we doing? I'm sorry, I don't really

578
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 2: care why I don't care at this point. You know,

579
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 2: it's disgusting the associations that he had and the number

580
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 2: of people that we know knew what was going on,

581
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,919
Speaker 2: including Trump who said he likes him young, like he

582
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 2: fucking knew what he did. I don't know, you know

583
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 2: how directly implicated?

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

585
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 2: He had a modeling agent, he ow in these pageants.

586
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,679
Speaker 2: He was running around with Jeffrey Epstein for over a decade,

587
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 2: and he said he likes him young. Like, draw your

588
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,439
Speaker 2: own conclusions about how implicated and how much he knew

589
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 2: what was going on here, even if you know whether

590
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 2: or not he directly was involved or not, which I

591
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 2: don't think anyone should be surprised by at this point.

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Speaker 3: And it's not just him right, like you have Leon

593
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 3: Black like and others, or Leslie Wexner drawing a pair

594
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,400
Speaker 3: of boot right. It's like such a look. I mean,

595
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:54,880
Speaker 3: everyone should ask himself. I'm thirty three, if my friend

596
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 3: was having a birthday book and his wife or I

597
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 3: guess what a companion asked me to made something like

598
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 3: do you know how disgusting that is?

599
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 1: Are you drawing as a grown for that man?

600
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 3: And I'm twenty years younger than Trump was whenever he

601
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 3: wrote the letter, or Leon Black or I don't know

602
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:14,640
Speaker 3: Leslie Wester.

603
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:18,400
Speaker 5: Was, So it is weiry. Yes, Like I said to Kyl,

604
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 5: so can you imagine if Korn like wrote to you.

605
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: That's what people say. People are like, oh, times have change.

606
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 3: I'm like, not really like, you know, and then around

607
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 3: you know, I was around in the in the frat

608
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 3: pre woke era even at that time, like that would

609
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 3: have been like, dude, you're fucking creep if.

610
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Speaker 1: You're acting like this, right, I mean, even in.

611
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Speaker 3: The hyper sexualized pre woke PC culture of the nineteen

612
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Speaker 3: ninety two thousand.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just don't think so. So that's all I'm

614
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 1: gonna say, you know.

615
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 3: And again that's the Trump thing, that's Leslie Wester thing,

616
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 3: Leon all these other guys in the book who are

617
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 3: joking about girls and all this stuff, like I'm sorry,

618
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 3: I think it's really gross to be openly acknowledging all that. So, yeah,

619
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Speaker 3: I don't particularly care about your privacy whenever you're filthy

620
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 3: rich and obviously who is engaging, you know, with this

621
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Speaker 3: in this type of behavior and perhaps again implicated in

622
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 3: some sort of vast like intelligence you know, money laundering apparatus.

623
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: I think you should come out.

624
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 5: Yeah.

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00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 2: I think it was John Stewart that said every line

626
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 2: of that letter from Trump sounded like something you was

627
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 2: some code you would have to say to get into

628
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 2: some like masked.

629
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Speaker 5: Eyes, wide shut.

630
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, totyle party.

631
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 5: It was like our wonderful secret and oh you know.

632
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 3: There is I still wonder about that movie. By the way,

633
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 3: if anybody's not seen that movie, it's in such an

634
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 3: incredible film, but deeply to yeah it is. But I'm like,

635
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 3: was there you know, did did Stanley Kubrick know something like?

636
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: Did you know?

637
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 3: Did I need to go in to read more about

638
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 3: kind of the inspiration and all of that for the

639
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,479
Speaker 3: film and the background, because it's a little on the

640
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 3: nose in terms of how pressient it really was for

641
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 3: the epstine and by the way, it came out in

642
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety nine, which was literally in the Epstein hate

643
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 3: at the height of it. And it's set in the

644
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 3: New York It's set in New York City, right, you know,

645
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 3: implicating these like powerful the leads about this dangerous like

646
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 3: sex cult. I'm like, and you know eight shows, Tom Cruise, like,

647
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 3: I don't want to spoil it too much if people

648
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 3: haven't seen it, but I'm just saying it was deeply,

649
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 3: deeply prescient. And I actually do wonder if you knew anything.

650
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 3: Someone should ask Tom actually if or Nicole Kidman for

651
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 3: what the inspiration and all that from the screen.

652
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Speaker 5: Point, maybe I would be fascinated, you know what. Maybe

653
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 5: the work mind, you never.

654
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Speaker 1: Know, maybe they want to cover it up to.

655
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Speaker 5: So how are the Democrats doing? So?

656
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 2: The Republican Party is not doing great right now? Trump

657
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Speaker 2: is certainly his approval rating has fallen off. Independence are

658
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 2: disgusted young man or fleeing, blah blah blah. How's it

659
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 2: going for the Democrats? Let's put this up on the screen,

660
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 2: oh lo and behold. Their approval rating has plunged to

661
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Speaker 2: the lowest level in thirty five years.

662
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 5: According to The Wall Street Journal.

663
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 2: They find that sixty three percent of voters hold an

664
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 2: unfavorable view of the Democratic Party. That is the highest

665
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 2: share in journal polls dating to nineteen ninety and thirty

666
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 2: percentage points higher than the thirty three percent who hold

667
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 2: a favorable view. So you've got only thirty three percent

668
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 2: of the country who have a favorable view at this

669
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 2: point of the Democratic Party. And you know, I think

670
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 2: there's a lot going on here. I mean, first of all,

671
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 2: I wouldn't read into this necessarily that like, oh, Republicans

672
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 2: are going to do great in the midterms if you

673
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 2: look at the generic battle and whatever, and just the

674
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 2: fact that you have voters who are center left and

675
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 2: liberal and left much more energized at this point. They're

676
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 2: disgusted with Trump. There's a big backlash and all of that.

677
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 2: But I really think this is about Democratic based voters

678
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 2: being disgusted with and disapproving of the Democratic Party. Like

679
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 2: that's really the only way we get to that low

680
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 2: of a level. And so you know, if you look

681
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 2: at the shift over time, that's really where they I mean,

682
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 2: they're not popular. Obviously Republicans hate the Democrats. That goes

683
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 2: without saying independents also disgusted with the Democratic Party, but

684
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 2: it's based Democratic voters saying I am not I am

685
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 2: not feeling what this party is selling at this point

686
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 2: and being disgusted with their failure to fight Trump. I

687
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 2: think also the you know, failure to recognize Gaza as

688
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 2: the clear moral evil and opposed gen side in any

689
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 2: sort of a clear way. I think those failings of

690
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 2: the Democratic Party are what really have led to them

691
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 2: reaching the absolute basement level of support that they have.

692
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 5: Now.

693
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 3: What's interesting is also if you look at the issue

694
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 3: by issue handling for President and Congress, so this is

695
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 3: just preference for Republicans over Democrats. In Congress, it's economy, inflation, immigration,

696
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 3: illegal immigration with that's actually where I find the most

697
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 3: fascinating divide.

698
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: But if then if you look at.

699
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 3: The areas where they at least have some support, it'll

700
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 3: be on healthcare, vaccines, but on foreign policy and on

701
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 3: Ukraine there's still sorry. On foreign policy in particular, there

702
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 3: is a lot of dissatisfaction. What I just think is

703
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 3: interesting is, like you said, you can only get to

704
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 3: this extremely low level when you have your own democratic

705
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 3: base and the supermajority of the public that kind of

706
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 3: come together and are like, no, we don't really believe

707
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 3: in what you're saying.

708
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: This also gets to the credibility theory.

709
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Speaker 5: It's also like, what are they even saying?

710
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like, I mean, I don't even know what

711
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 2: the Democratic Party stands for selling at this point.

712
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 5: I genuinely don't you know.

713
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 3: That's part of the issue. Yeah, and can we put

714
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Speaker 3: F two up there on the screen. This is absolutely

715
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 3: fascinating because at the same time, what you showed here,

716
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Speaker 3: you found this is that the percentage of people who

717
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 3: are extremely votivated to vote. If you go back in

718
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 3: time and you look at October of twenty twenty two,

719
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 3: Republicans were very extremely motivated to vote, but in July

720
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 3: of twenty twenty five, Democrats are extremely.

721
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 1: Motivated to vote.

722
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 3: So they're motivated to vote against something, but they're not

723
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 3: necessarily motivated to vote for something. And this is the

724
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 3: biggest problem that I think the Democrats have, And it

725
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 3: gets to the credible messenger theory, where people are obviously

726
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 3: dissatisfied at least.

727
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 1: Right now with some of the Republican Party.

728
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Speaker 3: The way the Republicans were able to win in twenty

729
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 3: twenty four is by being a credible outsider kind of

730
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 3: threat to the democratic establishment of Biden and of Kamala

731
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 3: Kamala was never seen she was just seen as an insire.

732
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Speaker 1: That's it.

733
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Speaker 3: That's at the end of the day. I think that's

734
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 3: mostly why she lost. But then how do the Democrats

735
00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 3: capture that energy of saying we're an outsider and having credibility,

736
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 3: bying able to call out everything. That's where the Zoron

737
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 3: model becomes important, because the Gaza thing is not just

738
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 3: about Gaza. It's about speaking in a way that you

739
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 3: never hear from anybody else. And that's what Who's who else? Superpower?

740
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Speaker 1: Was that Trump? Right? That was Trump's?

741
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 3: So the point is is that you need to appear

742
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 3: above the political fray and say stuff that nobody else

743
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,959
Speaker 3: in the political system is willing to say. I don't

744
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 3: see a single real like mainstream democrat who is really

745
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 3: able to do that. Now you have some you know,

746
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 3: progress it and all that, but I not not in

747
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 3: my opinion at the major land, which by the way,

748
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 3: is a big problem because that means then if it

749
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,839
Speaker 3: becomes an establishment game, then the people who are gonna

750
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:44,919
Speaker 3: win are the Buddhat Edges and the Gavindusims of the world.

751
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, and I mean actually the polymarket odds are

752
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Speaker 3: out newsome is currently leading so for the twenty twenty

753
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Speaker 3: eight presidential nominie.

754
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean maybe I don't know. I'm not sure

755
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 2: I buy the newsom Hi. I just you're right about that.

756
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,720
Speaker 2: I mean, the problem is that they're outside of Zoron,

757
00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 2: who can't run for president because he was born and

758
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 2: you got there is actually no one in the Democratic

759
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,240
Speaker 2: Party Rashida to leave an Ilhan Omer, I think are

760
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 2: the two who have been the most sort of like

761
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 2: clear and morally consistent on the issue of Gaza, and

762
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 2: you know, neither one of those is going to be

763
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 2: presidential contenders.

764
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 5: AOC.

765
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 2: You have to do better, Like, I mean, it's just

766
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 2: put that like still defending at this point shipping weapons

767
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 2: to Israel for any sort of purpose.

768
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Speaker 5: I just can't.

769
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Speaker 2: And yeah, I know you voted against the whole package,

770
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 2: but you put out a message that was directly defending

771
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 2: the idea of making sure that Israel has all the

772
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 2: weapons to you know, never bear any of the personal

773
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:43,359
Speaker 2: consequences of their insane, rogue actions and genocidal behavior, even

774
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 2: as you call it a genocide like that's it's not acceptable.

775
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 2: So so yeah, I mean that, And I do think

776
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,720
Speaker 2: like I'm becoming more and more convinced of how important

777
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,280
Speaker 2: this issue is in you know, in the Democratic Party,

778
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 2: in American politics overall, and so put f up on

779
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 2: the screen. So when you have you know, the Senate

780
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:06,760
Speaker 2: leader of the Democrats, he has this man Chuck Schumer

781
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,839
Speaker 2: ken Klipenstein has been tracking this. He hasn't done an

782
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 2: interview with the press in like months, okay, but he

783
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 2: has time for this, this anti semitism in the US

784
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 2: jew hating then now and tomorrow with Rigie Torres and

785
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 2: Chuck Schumer and Brett Stevens. This is what you're spending

786
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 2: your time on while our country is backing a genocide

787
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 2: in Gaza. Like it's it's not serious, it's not serious.

788
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 2: It's disgusting. It's like, what is the moral calculus that

789
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 2: leads you to be more concerned, let's say, about a

790
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 2: rally chant on a college campus than babies starving to

791
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 2: death at the hands of our country. Please explain that

792
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 2: moral calculus to me, because I find it disgusting, and

793
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 2: I think the rest of the country does as well,

794
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 2: and certainly the Democratic base does too as well at

795
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 2: this point, and so you know they have in a way,

796
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 2: there's there's an opportunity here because what I've said to

797
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 2: you and what I keep saying is what's really different

798
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 2: this time is that the democratic base is also discussed

799
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 2: with democratic leadership. The Democratic base is also discussed in

800
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 2: a lot of ways with their own media institutions, which

801
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 2: is why you have the Midas, Touched guys and others

802
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 2: that are blowing up because they are looking for alternatives

803
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 2: that are liberal or left liberal, that meet that need,

804
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 2: that are in the right place on issues of you know,

805
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 2: moral like moral issues like gaza. It creates an opportunity.

806
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 2: The Democratic Party is a hollow husk just waiting to

807
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:29,919
Speaker 2: be like knocked over.

808
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 5: It's a house of cards. I think Zoron proved that.

809
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Speaker 2: That's the other reason why he was so important in

810
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 2: New York is I think he really proved that the

811
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 2: whole edifice is just ready to crumble with the slightest

812
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 2: bit of pressure. But then the question is just like,

813
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,439
Speaker 2: who's going to step up and actually do that, And

814
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 2: there's no one, There's no one that's out there right

815
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,800
Speaker 2: now that it's that is a clear contender in my view,

816
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 2: who would be well positioned to really make the moral case.

817
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 2: But I so feel like there's an inevitable ability to it,

818
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 2: because you just can't have a situation where the base

819
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 2: of the party is so at odds with the leadership

820
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 2: and not have someone come in and fill that void.

821
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:14,240
Speaker 5: But you know, thus.

822
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 2: Far we haven't seen it and certainly not going to

823
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:17,240
Speaker 2: come from democratic leadership.

824
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 5: Put F four up on the screen.

825
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:22,240
Speaker 2: This is Hakim Jeffries, who apparently had like not tweeted

826
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 2: about Gaza at all and then puts down another of

827
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 2: these like mealy Mouth though the humanitarian crisis in Gaza

828
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 2: again as if this just came out of nowhere, has

829
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 2: nothing to say about the intentional starvation being implemented by

830
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Speaker 2: the Israelis. Still, by the way, hasn't even endorsed Zoron

831
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Speaker 2: Mamdani Haqem. Jeffries is himself from New York, by by

832
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Speaker 2: the way, zor On one Hqem Jeffrey's district as well

833
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 2: in New York City. So it's just disgusting cowardice that

834
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:54,320
Speaker 2: people are rightfully rejecting, like across the political map. Certainly

835
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,800
Speaker 2: Republicans obviously they're not going to be supportive of Democrats,

836
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 2: but independence in even the Democratic base are like no,

837
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 2: like you stand for nothing, you have no principles. You

838
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 2: are sold out, and you know we deserve better, like

839
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 2: we deserve to have at least one party that's against genocide.

840
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 2: I really wish that wasn't too much.

841
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Speaker 3: What I don't forget is where the opportunists don't come

842
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 3: with this. So you have Andy Basheer, he just gave

843
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 3: an interview that Vogue and he said, I believe when

844
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 3: someone is an ally, when you disagree, you don't do

845
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 3: it publicly or through the media. Is saying Israel was

846
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 3: a critical ally and quote we cannot have a nuclear Iran.

847
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Speaker 1: It's like, dude, you're the governor of Kentucky.

848
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 2: You have no dog in this space, right, And he

849
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 2: hadn't had to say why did you say about this?

850
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 5: He could have positioned himself anywhere.

851
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 1: I just don't get it. I'm like, where does this

852
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: shit come from?

853
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 3: I mean, you've got You've probably got better statements than

854
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 3: from like Gavin or Pete Boodhaje Edge or any of

855
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 3: these other people. So I agree, Look, the system is

856
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 3: right for the taking, but there is something perverse in

857
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,240
Speaker 3: democratic politics where maybe it's like rule following or something

858
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 3: where actually saying screw you in the way that Trump

859
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 3: was able to just apparently doesn't seem to have the

860
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 3: same like a I don't know what it is, or

861
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 3: at least like the permission structure. Again, I don't know why,

862
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 3: but something like that needs to happen.

863
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 5: The base once that person they want a party of Trump.

864
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Speaker 2: Cowardly, they're so risk averse, yeah, you know, and they're

865
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 2: so used to like coalition management, and they're so used

866
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:19,879
Speaker 2: to this logic in DC that has been the case

867
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Speaker 2: for however long that like all the danger is in

868
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 2: going all the political dangers in going against Israel, and they,

869
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Speaker 2: you know, apparently.

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Speaker 5: Haven't adjusted it.

871
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Speaker 2: And then they're also all complicit because you can, you know,

872
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 2: immediately turn around and say, oh, well you backed it

873
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Speaker 2: when it was Biden, you know, like you helped.

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Speaker 5: To ship the weapons.

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Speaker 2: But I think, you know, at this point, there's enough

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Speaker 2: sort of track laid from Trump where you can say, okay,

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Speaker 2: but he's doing that Nick Cleansing, He's you know, Biden

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Speaker 2: and say garl you know, Gaza Lago or whatever, which

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Speaker 2: is kind of bullshit, but at least would give them

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Speaker 2: some like coverage just oh it's different now, I.

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Speaker 3: Don't know, I mean Obama did it in two thousand

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Speaker 3: and two. I don't know why people don't follow his example.

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Speaker 3: He gave an outsider literally state senator who gave a

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Speaker 3: speech on a rock which nobody cared about, and shaky

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Speaker 3: cam video ends up winning in the Iowa caucuses. It's like, guys,

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Speaker 3: you know, it's not that hard to figure out in

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Speaker 3: terms of why and how you're able to, like in

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Speaker 3: the way that you're able to set your political future

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Speaker 3: up if you want. But Dean, you know, Dean had

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Speaker 3: a chance again. I really think he had a chance.

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Speaker 5: Threw it away.

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Speaker 3: It's like these guys just throw continue to throw it

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Speaker 3: away on this I'll never understand.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's I think it almost has to be

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Speaker 2: an outsider. Then I don't know who this person is,

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Speaker 2: but maybe they exist. Okay, Bilburr looking at you.

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Speaker 1: We will see you guys tomorrow