Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Waken Jake Myself, Jake's Story, Ellie
Speaker 1: Big Baby, David Producing, and special guest Justin Pennock. As
Speaker 1: we enter arguably the best weekend of football of the year,
Speaker 1: which some people say about last weekend, and I think
Speaker 1: we're gonna let's pivot bust that myth kind of quickly
Speaker 1: because the wild card kind of let us down again.
Speaker 1: We are gonna cover a lot. We are gonna give
Speaker 1: you quarterback rankings remaining we will cover. Panic's pretty hot
Speaker 1: about the playoff format. He needs to get that off
Speaker 1: his chest because he's not pleased there and obviously previewing
Speaker 1: the big games of the weekend, not a lot of baseball.
Speaker 1: I guess, Justin Pennick, one minute to get your baseball
Speaker 1: thoughts out.
Speaker 2: One minute to get my baseball thoughts out. I want
Speaker 2: the Yankees to continue to get better, and if Luise
Speaker 2: Arias is gonna help that, then let's go get Luis
Speaker 2: Arias and get a first baseman.
Speaker 1: Got Goldman. I've got good news for you, Pennick, And
Speaker 1: now it's done. Hey, Pennick, how are you? How are
Speaker 1: you feeling with football? I guess maybe this might be
Speaker 1: the spot for you to get off you're not too
Speaker 1: pleased with what's going on with football.
Speaker 2: It's not even a playoff format thing, because I like
Speaker 2: more games. I like teams getting to the playoffs and
Speaker 2: stuff like that. I don't really have like a big
Speaker 2: problem with the format, but like, I'll get it off
Speaker 2: my chest, like this weekend sucked and like to get excited,
Speaker 2: especially for somebody who like myself, like I'm trying to
Speaker 2: work and I'm trying to find stuff to talk about,
Speaker 2: and like, look at this cool thing. There wasn't that
Speaker 2: like cool thing that kind of happened this weekend that
Speaker 2: everybody's talking about and everybody's buzzing about besides something at
Speaker 2: football and something I kind of saved the wild Card
Speaker 2: weekend and then you have that straggler game on a
Speaker 2: Monday now. So I wasn't thrilled with the entertainment quality
Speaker 2: and the product that the NFL kind of put out
Speaker 2: because really, like I I am the one to typically
Speaker 2: say Wildcard Weekend one of the best weekends in sports,
Speaker 2: and it was not that, And I was disappointed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder how much of it is year to year,
Speaker 1: how much of it is how the matchups landed this year.
Speaker 1: I wonder, you know, as this plays out over time,
Speaker 1: just because I feel like the elite in football this
Speaker 1: year and the elite are left. I mean, who's your
Speaker 1: elite team that's out?
Speaker 2: Don't know the the team that is not elite that's left,
Speaker 2: the Houston third and Long.
Speaker 1: Texans because I'm not saying I'm buying Texans stock cover. No,
Speaker 1: we'll get there, We'll get there, I guess for me,
Speaker 1: Detroit is a wagon. Detroit is a wagon, Philadelphia is
Speaker 1: a wagon, and Baltimore is a wagon. Buffalo's a wagon,
Speaker 1: and the Chiefs are away. They are they win the
Speaker 1: Chiefs imitation, you have five teams that are at another
Speaker 1: level than everyone else with two buys, that means you're
Speaker 1: going to have three teams playing not against each other,
Speaker 1: that are wagons. So that formula and those teams are
Speaker 1: ninety five percent of the chance going to be at home.
Speaker 1: And there's also another percentage percentage points that it just
Speaker 1: doesn't matter because they're such better football teams that Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's part of the wildcard formula that's just not working
Speaker 1: for me right now that I don't I mean, they're
Speaker 1: not going to get rid of it, so I'm they're
Speaker 1: not really sure of the answer.
Speaker 2: Because that's the thing where there are certain times where
Speaker 2: I watch the NFL and even when it's a close game,
Speaker 2: and I'm not I'm not talking about well justin you
Speaker 2: just want a close game. Like I looked at that,
Speaker 2: even that Monday night matchup against the Rams and the Vikings,
Speaker 2: I didn't necessarily look at it as the Vikings were
Speaker 2: just a bad team. I looked at as the Rams
Speaker 2: just kind of kicked their ass, right, And even when
Speaker 2: the Lions played the Vite it's kind of crazy the
Speaker 2: Lions played the Vikings, you know, the last week of
Speaker 2: the season. I'm like, oh, this is just a a
Speaker 2: good team playing another good team and just playing better,
Speaker 2: not necessarily that it's a bad game. But there are times,
Speaker 2: even in close games where it's like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: this this is not an this is not an entertaining
Speaker 2: watch just because it's close.
Speaker 1: So I don't know.
Speaker 2: That's I think the NFL. I would like the NFL
Speaker 2: to think about the quality of product that they're putting
Speaker 2: out there at times, but they don't have to. Since
Speaker 2: twenty million, thirty million people are gonna watch every game
Speaker 2: that's on prime time. More people are gonna watch. More
Speaker 2: people are gonna gamble on it. The NFL is gonna
Speaker 2: make more money than it's ever gonna make, and uh,
Speaker 2: there's no need to change. If more people are gonna.
Speaker 1: Watch, yeah, they're they're not gonna adjust. I remember when
Speaker 1: the Thursday night games started happening and they had a
Speaker 1: few duds and people are like, oh, well people watch,
Speaker 1: we watch, yeah, no matter what. And that's kind of
Speaker 1: what happens. I mean, the holiday schedule this year was bananas, yeah,
Speaker 1: and everyone tuned in.
Speaker 2: You're asking teams to play and that that's the type
Speaker 2: of stuff that you're gonna get in. You know now
Speaker 2: with teams don't practice as much as they used to,
Speaker 2: so you're gonna get in there to and there's like
Speaker 2: there's no time to prepare, there's no time to like,
Speaker 2: all right, we're gonna adjust to this opponent. That doesn't happen,
Speaker 2: especially on the shorter schedule stuff. But it's postseason. I'm
Speaker 2: excited for this weekend. Make up for it.
Speaker 1: I think what America needs to do. And my guy
Speaker 1: Ryan Rosillo mentions it, sometimes football we just have this
Speaker 1: weird I think in other sports, if a game is bad,
Speaker 1: like we have the mental capability to just be like, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't it's a ten to nothing baseball game, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna click away, or this basketball game bla blah. Football.
Speaker 1: For some reason, it's tougher to do that. And I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's the fantasy aspect.
Speaker 2: I think it's betting also, because it's like, sure I
Speaker 2: need Tucker Craft to get a twenty yard reception because
Speaker 2: I was I was doing that, you know, a couple
Speaker 2: of days ago.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's just there's a little bit of paralysis that
Speaker 1: kicks in and it's like, well, I'm already awake, like
Speaker 1: keep watching. Okay, I'm glad that's out there now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, better games is speaking.
Speaker 1: Let's start with the I don't want to say clickbait stuff,
Speaker 1: but your quarterbacks mm hmm.
Speaker 2: One's left.
Speaker 1: We have eight quarterbacks left, and it is a good
Speaker 1: note by you, Pennic. They are all good. Like sometimes
Speaker 1: there's usually the loose the loose string, or there's you know,
Speaker 1: one of these things is not like the other. All
Speaker 1: of these guys have their arguments in a lot of
Speaker 1: different ways that in the AFC it's Mahomes, Stroud, Lamar
Speaker 1: and Allen you and in the NFC, it's golf. Daniels
Speaker 1: hurts Stafford. I guess via conference. I'll let you roll
Speaker 1: for a little bit because this was kind of your thinking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it would be really tough to do, Like if
Speaker 2: we combine these conferences, because automatically we're putting Mahomes, Allen
Speaker 2: and Lamar ahead of anybody in the NFC. You have
Speaker 2: to So that's why I think actually splitting this up
Speaker 2: by conference is a lot of fun. I think there's
Speaker 2: a I think there's a discussion to be had between
Speaker 2: Allen versus Lamar in the AFC and then in the NFC.
Speaker 2: You can put an these four in any of the
Speaker 2: in any of the order, and I guess I wouldn't
Speaker 2: fully blame you. And this even includes Jaydon Daniels as
Speaker 2: a rookie. So where do you want to start? Do
Speaker 2: you want to go a little bit more chalk in
Speaker 2: the AFC or NFC where you know where the where
Speaker 2: the things.
Speaker 1: Can chalk me? Because I don't know what the chalk is. Okay,
Speaker 1: how do you even I guess you yourself, how do
Speaker 1: you view mahomes at this point?
Speaker 2: Because number one.
Speaker 1: So it's not even the two m VP candidates.
Speaker 2: Like how are we gonna phrase this tear maker or
Speaker 2: the bracket?
Speaker 1: I guess it's for the remainder of the playoffs.
Speaker 2: Do you want in the playoffs? Yeah, the question that
Speaker 2: we're asking.
Speaker 1: I think, so okay, I guess, Yeah, it's still it
Speaker 1: should be team neutral. Yeah, so okay, so it's still Mahomes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because especially you look at what Mahomes did last year,
Speaker 2: and I I think I think they're starting to turn
Speaker 2: it on. You saw Kelsey get more involved down the
Speaker 2: stretch like Christmas Day.
Speaker 1: They just did this. Yes, I know the part. I
Speaker 1: guess the part that's frustrating to me. And I'm part
Speaker 1: of the problem because I'm kind of on the Eagles train.
Speaker 1: I think running the ball is sexy and they're dominant.
Speaker 1: Like we talk about the Chiefs like this was a
Speaker 1: down year, right.
Speaker 2: Right, kind of like last year. But I think people
Speaker 2: get it more. They get it more. Oh, this is
Speaker 2: just what they do.
Speaker 1: They went fifteen and two with their last game, not
Speaker 1: mattering that this was probably a sixteen win team.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it didn't lose a game at home and.
Speaker 1: They didn't care. Yeah, And normally for sports, if you
Speaker 1: don't show me something completely during the regular season. I
Speaker 1: need you to show me that. I'm a big believer,
Speaker 1: especially for our baseball now. I think the appreciation for
Speaker 1: the grind is necessary. I think that's a little bit
Speaker 1: of what our Yanks have been missing in past years,
Speaker 1: that you know, going and getting it every day matters.
Speaker 1: For football, I kind of thought the same thing too.
Speaker 1: Sure you can get hot right time of year, and
Speaker 1: we could talk about that with the Rams a little
Speaker 1: bit because you know that front seven justin Pennock. But
Speaker 1: I guess we just saw the Chiefs in a much
Speaker 1: more malaise slash losing games last year, and the postseason
Speaker 1: came and they were the Chiefs and they won the
Speaker 1: whole thing. So yeah, everything should still start with Mahomes.
Speaker 1: I guess I'm glad you're there because I know you've
Speaker 1: You've been higher on Lamar than most people in previous years.
Speaker 1: And obviously what Josh is doing as well.
Speaker 2: That's so tough to pick between them. I guess that's
Speaker 2: where that's where the conversation is next. I think they're
Speaker 2: gonna put more on Mahomes's plate in the postseason because
Speaker 2: that's just what the Chiefs do. It's like, well, they
Speaker 2: led the league at least at one point. For the
Speaker 2: majority of the year, they led the They led the
Speaker 2: league in the most boring stat possible. Jake plays between
Speaker 2: four to nine yards. What's four times three twelve? That's
Speaker 2: a first down. You know, there you go, boom, meth pod.
Speaker 2: You know. So their success right of running the ball
Speaker 2: very very high, but they had a very very low
Speaker 2: explosive run rate because that run game would just keep
Speaker 2: them on schedule and they would be success. And you know,
Speaker 2: if you're gonna play too high, because you have to
Speaker 2: play too high against Patrick Mahomes, you don't want him
Speaker 2: to stretch the field. But again, I think they're gonna
Speaker 2: the Chiefs are gonna find more ways. And this is
Speaker 2: I think is the genius of Andy Reid of Now
Speaker 2: it's the postseason, now this matters more. I'm gonna ask
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes to throw it a little bit more downfield
Speaker 2: to Xavier Worthy, let's use DeAndre Hopkins. And Andre Hopkins
Speaker 2: is such a weapon inside the red zone. So Mahomes'
Speaker 2: touchdowns is probably gonna go up. And then of course
Speaker 2: you have Travis Kelsey, who I honestly think the approach
Speaker 2: with Kelsey is let's get him through the regular season
Speaker 2: and let's get him to the playoffs where now we're
Speaker 2: gonna have that ultra best communication, like we're not We're
Speaker 2: not even gonna gonna call a play. We're just gonna
Speaker 2: allow these guys to just Travis Kelsey running an area
Speaker 2: where you know you're gonna get open, and then Mahomes
Speaker 2: is gonna throw a tea and your you two are
Speaker 2: just gonna get it because that's what they do. That's
Speaker 2: what's gonna happen. And I I don't know if they're
Speaker 2: gonna talk walk the Texans, which I think they should,
Speaker 2: because I don't like the Texans. The Texans are not
Speaker 2: a good team, but also the Chiefs. The Chiefs don't
Speaker 2: really blow people out, so I could still be in
Speaker 2: at See. I could still see it being a close game.
Speaker 2: But the Chiefs, I think, are going to control the
Speaker 2: game because that's what they do.
Speaker 1: Let's finish the quarterbacks. Let's finish the quarterbacks, Alan or
Speaker 1: Lamar because it feels like you just started talking Chiefs
Speaker 1: Texans to get away from.
Speaker 2: It, I know, because I don't want to decide right
Speaker 2: pivot question who's the MVP.
Speaker 1: I think Lamar's gonna win.
Speaker 2: Lamar should win it.
Speaker 1: I think Lamar's gonna win.
Speaker 2: The CBS showed like the side by side graphic of
Speaker 2: all the stats of like yards, touchdowns, interceptions, raiding, whatever,
Speaker 2: and I think Romo was like, oh, I don't know
Speaker 2: what's close, Jim, and it's like, no, it's not. Like
Speaker 2: Lamar is dominating in everything and he's that good. We've
Speaker 2: never seen a season like this from a quarterback that
Speaker 2: can do the things that Lamar Jacks can do. Lamar Jackson,
Speaker 2: I think is the m v P. So the only
Speaker 2: hesitation is people are wary of giving utable MVPs.
Speaker 1: Gosh, Allen get his first, Like part of me gets that,
Speaker 1: part of me doesn't. I think the thing for Lamar
Speaker 1: that got me is I think I think passing wise
Speaker 1: or QBR or one of those stats. It was like
Speaker 1: a top five season from a quarterback ever, and I
Speaker 1: believe QBR doesn't involve rushing.
Speaker 2: I think, is this.
Speaker 1: ESPN QB, I forget which one. That's why I want
Speaker 1: to go there, But and it was for me that's
Speaker 1: one of those light bulb moments. It's like, wait, this
Speaker 1: is this guy's breaking some of Vick's records and he's
Speaker 1: also passing at that level.
Speaker 2: He's much He's much better thrower than than Michael Vises
Speaker 2: much better.
Speaker 1: So then it's Lamar.
Speaker 2: This is so tough man, because this is who would
Speaker 2: you rather have going forward in the playoffs? Right, And
Speaker 2: I think everything Josh Allen okay, and I love Lamar
Speaker 2: and I'm rooting for the Ravens to winsor bl.
Speaker 1: What do you think puts you over the edge? Is
Speaker 1: it short yardage when you need it?
Speaker 2: Is it?
Speaker 1: I feel like the Bills have a little better of distribution,
Speaker 1: Like I like all their options from Cook to Shakir
Speaker 1: to Coleman to both tight ends like Amari. Like it
Speaker 1: feels like they are it's a true offensive play callers
Speaker 1: dreams where no one can demand the ball on their offense.
Speaker 1: That it's literally who are they leaving? And it feels
Speaker 1: like they're finding that guy.
Speaker 2: I'm worried if the Ravens can't run the ball as
Speaker 2: successfully as they do in these games where they kick ass, Right,
Speaker 2: I'm worried about all Right, let's put the Let's put
Speaker 2: the ball in Lamar's hands and only Lamar's hands throwing
Speaker 2: the ball, which I think he can do it. But
Speaker 2: it's a matter of I think I would prefer Josh
Speaker 2: Allen and his supporting cast, even with the past walking
Speaker 2: offensive line, then Lamar Jackson. You know, Zay Flowers is
Speaker 2: the number one Mark Andrews has had like the renaissance
Speaker 2: towards the second half of the year. Isaiah likely, sure,
Speaker 2: but I think I prefer if the ball is in
Speaker 2: Josh Allen's hands. And this is also past experience as well,
Speaker 2: where Lamar, you know, it took it took the Ravens
Speaker 2: a while to be like, all right, let's let's run
Speaker 2: the damn ball in the playoffs. I think only six
Speaker 2: running back designed runs in the AFC Championship last year
Speaker 2: against the Chiefs. It's like, we can't do that right.
Speaker 2: And they got Lamar's legs involved as along with along
Speaker 2: with Derek Henry's legs against the Steelers and that's a
Speaker 2: good physical defense and they just destroyed them. They destroyed them,
Speaker 2: and they need to do that more. But if you
Speaker 2: get in a situation where you're down by ten points,
Speaker 2: are you really you know, how committed are you gonna
Speaker 2: be to the run game? You're gonna feel that pressure
Speaker 2: and past experience, Lamar's playoff performances still make me a
Speaker 2: little worried.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean fantastic last week. I you know, you
Speaker 1: could say this with kind of any team. So this
Speaker 1: is a little dumb, But did the Ravens feel like
Speaker 1: every Madden team I ever drafted. It's like, Okay, I'll
Speaker 1: take Lamar with the first pick. Oh sick, Derek Henry
Speaker 1: is still sitting there because no one Okay, oh damn.
Speaker 1: The wide receivers are kind of gone. Let me oh,
Speaker 1: Mark Andrews, that's still sick, and likely I'll actually have
Speaker 1: two tight ends, so you grab Zay Flowers. Numbers will
Speaker 1: probably boost in the season. Seab Bateman's good on the
Speaker 1: deep ball. You can say that for a lot of
Speaker 1: these teams.
Speaker 2: But so you have Lamar ahead of Alan right now,
Speaker 2: because I, like I said, I have Alan and Lamar,
Speaker 2: but it's very close, and I hate that. So you
Speaker 2: have you have that flipped.
Speaker 1: Yes with a sigh. I mean, it's it is what
Speaker 1: it is.
Speaker 2: That's why I hate this exercise.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'll do it just to be different. Then
Speaker 1: you know the whole he only threw like really one
Speaker 1: interception because he'd hit his wide receiver's hands, even though
Speaker 1: that's not how it works. Yeah, I just I fell
Speaker 1: in love with the Ravens. They were my super Bowl
Speaker 1: team until I saw the Eagles. Remember that they were
Speaker 1: the Eagles earlier on this year. But yeah, I would
Speaker 1: do in Stroud tough grouping for him, and they'll talk
Speaker 1: more about him in the second NFC. This is fun,
Speaker 1: Panic because you've got my guy, Jayden Daniels, which you've
Speaker 1: accredited accredited me with fully I think, so golf God Hurts,
Speaker 1: who's an interesting case right now, and old Cratbeard as
Speaker 1: Scott Van Peltzer calling him tres friend. Matthew, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna cut you off at the pass a little
Speaker 1: bit because I know who your number one is, and
Speaker 1: I think it should be a consensus number one. I
Speaker 1: think it's Stafford. I totally to the veteran presence, the
Speaker 1: way he can sling it some of the spots he
Speaker 1: still puts the ball in. He's obviously seen everything that
Speaker 1: I mean Stafford with the Lions.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, if you, if you, if you flip, if you,
Speaker 2: this is crazy. If you flip Jared Goff and Matt's
Speaker 2: and Matthew Stafford, if you flip them, Lions may already
Speaker 2: have a Super Bowl already. They probably do have a
Speaker 2: super bolready. I think they'd be the easy favor. It's
Speaker 2: not a shot against golf. Really again, I like golf,
Speaker 2: but Matthew Stafford and all of the games that they've
Speaker 2: played the Lions, Stafford has outplayed golf. But you just
Speaker 2: have the juggernaut that is the Detroit Lions. That that's
Speaker 2: the difference because they just have such a great football team.
Speaker 1: Before we have the rest of this conversation, golf, go
Speaker 1: out and win.
Speaker 2: The whole thing. I'd love them.
Speaker 1: That'd be awesome because it does get really tricky. For
Speaker 1: how much I love Jayden Daniels. If Jaydon Daniels was
Speaker 1: on the Lions, sure.
Speaker 2: Him and Jamiir Gibbs running around together.
Speaker 1: That feels like that offense has another asset, which is
Speaker 1: really rude because Goff is very good out of the pocket.
Speaker 1: Like that's and that's still so much of this this game.
Speaker 2: So much of the Lions is get the body of
Speaker 2: your hands quick. That that's so much of what of
Speaker 2: what they do, they don't They don't like the hold
Speaker 2: on Jaden likes to hold on to the walls. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: incredible man, and how cool.
Speaker 1: And he might be he might be the other one.
Speaker 1: You win it trade with Stafford because the Commanders need
Speaker 1: him to do everything right, where Stafford doesn't have as
Speaker 1: much as that in him as as he used to.
Speaker 1: And then I guess the other example here Hurts on Detroit.
Speaker 1: It's just a different team and you'd rather have golf.
Speaker 1: So you just went through my one through four. Yeah, Stafford,
Speaker 1: goff Daniels Hurts. I think I might be Daniel's over
Speaker 1: and golf.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 1: I know you love that for me because it's a
Speaker 1: little aggressive.
Speaker 2: There were two teams in the NFL that scored on
Speaker 2: over fifty percent of their drives this year. It was
Speaker 2: Lions and the Commanders.
Speaker 1: A lot of fourth downs, a lot of third downs.
Speaker 2: Avoid third down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hey, Hurts for what the Eagles do is beautiful, but.
Speaker 2: He doesn't make that. Do you think do you think
Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts can make like that throw for you? That's
Speaker 2: the thing with Hurts.
Speaker 1: I think Hurts can make that throw, but it's within
Speaker 1: the scope of them hammering the run right and it
Speaker 1: sets up those two plays you need to make, and
Speaker 1: I do think he can. Dude. The year Hurts took
Speaker 1: off was that twenty two yeah.
Speaker 2: But everything worked, and I like you thought, like I
Speaker 2: thought that he was gonna be like, all right, He's like,
Speaker 2: this is only way up because you have Brown, you
Speaker 2: have DeVante Smith and something you know, stiching kind of
Speaker 2: left and like, you haven't seen that Hurts since.
Speaker 1: Well, it's sometimes we have expec expectations for teams or
Speaker 1: players that it's always like this, and it's not like
Speaker 1: hurt showed me that. He showed me this for everyone
Speaker 1: on YouTube. I'm using my hands up and down bad
Speaker 1: for the podcast subscribe that life's not always that way.
Speaker 1: And I was bagging in panic, you know, like I'm
Speaker 1: I consume a ton of football, advanced football guy, not
Speaker 1: having played, I am worried about my own knowledge.
Speaker 2: Sometimes.
Speaker 1: The Eagles are a running football team. They have the
Speaker 1: Monsters of all monsters on their O line. They signed
Speaker 1: a pretty good running back mm hmm. They did what
Speaker 1: Hurts can do running the ball, and with those white
Speaker 1: outs outside they showed during that twenty twenty two breakout
Speaker 1: year Hurts there was a couple of times he put
Speaker 1: in the bucket and I was like, damn, Like I
Speaker 1: was like, okay, I didn't this is what he kind
Speaker 1: of needed to show, and he showed it, and that's
Speaker 1: what made the Eagle special. It felt like for two
Speaker 1: years or a year and a half, they like started
Speaker 1: with Hurts and were like, all right, let's get Hurts
Speaker 1: going and then we'll figure out the offense. And was like, no,
Speaker 1: you're not built that way, and in a polite way
Speaker 1: to him, he isn't either, But I mean there was
Speaker 1: times some of the throws he made in that twenty
Speaker 1: two season. I mean, I know DeVante's a special patch
Speaker 1: pass catcher. I know Brown's a freak and a special
Speaker 1: pass catcher and a reader of sorts.
Speaker 2: He loves reading Number One book annotated and everything. That's
Speaker 2: how I knew that they actually read it. Well, I
Speaker 2: saw that it was annotated, and I'm like, all you
Speaker 2: read it?
Speaker 1: Know what I knew? Uh, just the condition the book
Speaker 1: was in. Yeah, that's a book you travel with.
Speaker 2: That. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I I love Hurts his fit with that team. I
Speaker 1: think if you're ranking these quarterbacks being pure, I think
Speaker 1: Hurts would be last. I would take Jaden over Goff
Speaker 1: just because I've I've been on him from the start
Speaker 1: and doing that exercise like and you want to talk
Speaker 1: about I don't think they take a step back.
Speaker 2: No, no, they go forward. And you want to talk
Speaker 2: about lines, like the Eagles can do whatever they want
Speaker 2: because of their offensive line. Look at that first touchdown
Speaker 2: to Johan Dotson seven seconds in the pocket. Uh huh.
Speaker 2: You could read that aj Brown book in the pocket.
Speaker 2: Same thing with Jared Goff and the lines Ben Johnson.
Speaker 2: And this is like Bobby Skinner's got a question about
Speaker 2: like Ben Johnson's future as a head coach because you're
Speaker 2: gonna go somewhere and you're not gonna have that offensive line.
Speaker 2: That offensive line, like you can do anything that you want.
Speaker 2: You know, if there's if you're a football guy out
Speaker 2: there and you're and you're drawing up plays. Another thing
Speaker 2: that Bobby says, if you're a football guy and you're
Speaker 2: drawn up plays about all the you know, I could
Speaker 2: have this motion and this many receivers out there and
Speaker 2: my quarterback, you know, we need to wait five seconds
Speaker 2: for this long, deep developing play to develop. But then
Speaker 2: you have to remember, oh crap, well, most offensive lines
Speaker 2: are bad. Well you don't have to do that if
Speaker 2: you're the Eagles and the Lions. But I think Jade
Speaker 2: and Daniels out of all playoff teams this past weekend.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure the Commanders had like one of the worst,
Speaker 2: like win rates or whatever. Their offensive line performances was
Speaker 2: one of the worst, at least from Saturday and Sunday's game.
Speaker 2: Vikings offensive line was also pretty bad. But Daniels, you
Speaker 2: didn't even notice it because Jaden Daniels is that dude.
Speaker 2: He's cool, calm, collected. He can make guys miss, he
Speaker 2: can run, he can improvise, he does what he does,
Speaker 2: and he doesn't have that great offensive line yet, yet
Speaker 2: we're still putting him up here in this conversation with
Speaker 2: Goff and Hurts, I think.
Speaker 1: There's so few dudes or cheek us in the world
Speaker 1: that are just actually on a different level for whatever
Speaker 1: that means, whether that's intelligence, whether that's athleticism him, whether
Speaker 1: that's composure. Jane Daniels, I just I think it's different, weird.
Speaker 1: Me and BABD were laughing. They brought Mariota out for
Speaker 1: the hard snat hard count on third down. Jane Daniels
Speaker 1: was laughing with the opposing d line afterwards. It's the
Speaker 1: first playoff game. Did you see him on the and
Speaker 1: then he stiff arms the d ND Clancy was playing
Speaker 1: out of his dome to get the first down to
Speaker 1: end the game.
Speaker 2: Well, then Clancy's Kancy is able to grab his the
Speaker 2: towel off his backside. You see you see him after
Speaker 2: the kick? Calm, Yeah, didn't jump up and down. All right,
Speaker 2: we're going on, moving on. He was.
Speaker 1: He was yanking uh Wagner's chain. Hall of Fame, Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame middle linebacker, Like, yeah, he fell on the ball.
Speaker 1: Dude's different. And I like that.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a pain of the ass for a
Speaker 2: very long time. I hate that commanding commanders would be
Speaker 2: that one team that's like, all right, well we're gonna
Speaker 2: match up well, we're gonna match up well against them.
Speaker 2: And I'm talking about my Giants. Of course we're gonna
Speaker 2: match up well against them. We'll get two wins, and
Speaker 2: we know that we're gonna have at least two wins
Speaker 2: in the division, and hope not anymore.
Speaker 1: Let's get into the action a little bit, and we're
Speaker 1: normally a kron kron pod here chronological, which means it
Speaker 1: would start Saturday with Texans and Chiefs. Here's what I'll
Speaker 1: throw out. Texans had how many sacks last week?
Speaker 2: They had a lot man, and it was from a
Speaker 2: couple of different players inside outside, whether it's Ed Rusher's
Speaker 2: beating tackles or then running those stunts and twists up
Speaker 2: the middle. Uh. They they that's how they won.
Speaker 1: If the Chiefs have one weakness, it is they're tackles.
Speaker 1: The Chiefs haven't played in.
Speaker 2: A couple of weeks, like even the starters, I think
Speaker 2: three three.
Speaker 1: Weeks then right, if you include the starters not playing,
Speaker 1: Holy smokes, there's a recipe. I think. The other thing
Speaker 1: I like for Houston that's a little bit of BS,
Speaker 1: but could be a thing. Houston came into the season
Speaker 1: with expectations. They were kind of they wanted to be
Speaker 1: kind of lions. Yeah, like this is the year the
Speaker 1: Texans are gonna win fourteen fifteen games and we're here forever.
Speaker 1: Stroud is that guy? We added another wide receiver, like
Speaker 1: here we go. That didn't happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Also everybody that hurt, you know, the wide receivers,
Speaker 2: people are hurt too.
Speaker 1: They got hurt a lot. They just could never get
Speaker 1: it going. The running game went missing at times. Slowik
Speaker 1: went from future head coach to is he getting fired?
Speaker 1: They got a little zombie to him. If this wasn't
Speaker 1: the Chiefs an arrowhead, which does deserve some credit. I
Speaker 1: would have a little more Texans. They're dead men walking,
Speaker 1: their season was done, you know. I know Rex says
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff and Mixing dropped it after the game.
Speaker 1: But okay, so I've got a d line that can
Speaker 1: get pressure, a defense that's feeling really good Stroud and
Speaker 1: the offense what felt again got just weird for a
Speaker 1: little bit. Mixing will get you one hundred on twenty
Speaker 1: five carries.
Speaker 2: He's the line. Just worry about that old right.
Speaker 1: I don't know if this wasn't the Chiefs. If this was,
Speaker 1: and this is super unfair, I think thieves. I think
Speaker 1: I said it throughout the year that the Vikings were
Speaker 1: going to be the regular season team that won a
Speaker 1: lot of games that loses because we see that team
Speaker 1: every year. Again, a lot of stuff happened there, and
Speaker 1: I have some more commentary on that later. If it
Speaker 1: wasn't the Chiefs, I think there could be a Texans
Speaker 1: hype wag. Yeah, yeah, but it is it's the Chiefs.
Speaker 1: I think the trick like.
Speaker 2: I think they could cover. If it's we're talking for
Speaker 2: a three peat, if we're talking about eight and a half.
Speaker 2: I think the Texans could cover, and then it's like
Speaker 2: it's one of those things of hey, you never know.
Speaker 2: Eight and a half is pretty big spread for a
Speaker 2: Chiefs team that does play a lot of those one
Speaker 2: score games. But I called the Texans the Houston third
Speaker 2: and long Texans because you just look up and every
Speaker 2: third down is third and seven and longer. They led
Speaker 2: the NFL in average to go distance on third down,
Speaker 2: and they might have even led the NFL or bottom
Speaker 2: quarter in the NFL bottom five in number of third
Speaker 2: downs faced, which that's not a sign of a healthy offense.
Speaker 2: When you're when you're an offense that is facing constantly
Speaker 2: third down, third down, third down, especially when that distance
Speaker 2: is great, that's not a healthy offense. That is a
Speaker 2: inefficient offense. And they kind of relied on CJ. Stroud
Speaker 2: to play hero ball on third down last year, and
Speaker 2: he did because he was just that freaky. And CJ.
Speaker 2: Stroud is still good, but I think the offensive line
Speaker 2: has taken a step back. Plus it's a whole year
Speaker 2: of hey, we to figure out what you're doing. Uh.
Speaker 2: Plus your wide receivers are hurt, you know, even Nico
Speaker 2: Collins has struggled with injuries throughout the year, so you
Speaker 2: never know if he's the same. All these guys are
Speaker 2: beat up this time of the year. No Tank Dell,
Speaker 2: no Stefan Diggs, all that stuff hurts. So the Texans
Speaker 2: I think they are. It's kind of this has been
Speaker 2: like a kind of look yourself in the mirror season
Speaker 2: and be like, hey, maybe we're a little further away
Speaker 2: than we thought because we got to take care of
Speaker 2: this offensive line. But what does win in the postseason
Speaker 2: is a pass rush, and that is the thing that
Speaker 2: could set this game in a different path. You have
Speaker 2: to also be careful with your edge rushers because if
Speaker 2: you're going after the quarterback Jake, what is Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 2: gonna do? If your ed rushers come too far upfield,
Speaker 2: We're gonna go outside the tackles, We're gonna improvise, We're
Speaker 2: gonna run, and that's what Mahomes can do very well.
Speaker 2: So it's a it's a tough, tough game plan and
Speaker 2: approach for a pass rush like the Textans that's feeling.
Speaker 1: Hot every game. Joe Mixon had twenty carries one hundred yards. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they lost two of those games, excuse except one Detroit
Speaker 1: twenty five carries for forty six yards. Good, it's not good,
Speaker 1: and that's a really good team Chiefs and Chris Jones.
Speaker 2: And we talk about Mahomes, but it really is the
Speaker 2: last two years, it's the Chiefs defense that's.
Speaker 1: Right, and they're there again, if not better, right Eagles commentary.
Speaker 1: I think we move on because, let's be honest. I
Speaker 1: mean it's I think the Chiefs read everyone thinks Andy's
Speaker 1: got more of a sleeve. Everyone thinks Patrick has everything
Speaker 1: to Travis.
Speaker 2: They're going for a three peaks never been They're rested,
Speaker 2: they've been there, and then if they if they lose,
Speaker 2: then we're talking about how not that longer. Yeah, it'll
Speaker 2: just it'll be interesting.
Speaker 1: It'll be interesting if they start slow and Houston can
Speaker 1: put something together at the same time.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: My Broncos punched the Bills in the mouth. That ended
Speaker 1: pretty quickly. I might take the Chiefs just to be
Speaker 1: just to do it. Staying chronologically, Commander's Lions. I just
Speaker 1: said a lot of stuff about Jayden Daniels. We just
Speaker 1: talked about how well I guess we haven't talked about
Speaker 1: how truly good these Lions are. But it's kind of
Speaker 1: why we use them as the example. If you put Stafford,
Speaker 1: if you put Jaden, if you put someone else, and
Speaker 1: it shouldn't be shot at golf who had forty six
Speaker 1: hundred yards thirty seven touchdowns. It was more so meant
Speaker 1: to be compliments the other way. Yeah, at home traditional
Speaker 1: bye week, a city that is as thirsty for it
Speaker 1: as anyone. A Commander's team that I like Jayden. They're
Speaker 1: never out of it, which is good. The defense has
Speaker 1: been a little suss all year. And this is a
Speaker 1: team that barely survived the Bucks on basically a jet
Speaker 1: sweep fumble.
Speaker 2: Right, this could just be a Jimmy's and Joe's game.
Speaker 2: Lions are a better football team. Doesn't mean that the
Speaker 2: Commanders are not a good team. Doesn't mean that they're
Speaker 2: not an ascending team, and they're not necessarily like a
Speaker 2: young team that hasn't been there. This this is a
Speaker 2: team where Dan Quinn and Adam Peters brought in uh buzzwords,
Speaker 2: sports buzzword, They brought in culture guys. They brought in
Speaker 2: like veterans, and they signed them to you know, one
Speaker 2: or two year deals. You know, they brought in Bobby White.
Speaker 2: Why is a team like the Commanders who had the
Speaker 2: second overall pick, need to bring in Bobby Wagner who
Speaker 2: was on the last legs of his career. Well, you know,
Speaker 2: this is this is why, because if you have if
Speaker 2: you haven't, you have a young team, and you have
Speaker 2: a team that all right, well we need to go
Speaker 2: in a right direction. Yeah, you bring in a Jeremy Chin,
Speaker 2: you know in your you know, in the on the
Speaker 2: back end. Right, you bring in a couple of these
Speaker 2: pass rushers that you had in Dallas that were third
Speaker 2: or fourth on the depth chart, but now they're going
Speaker 2: to be, you know, number one for you, like a
Speaker 2: Dante Foller. I'm pretty sure. So maybe I'm getting that
Speaker 2: name wrong.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're on every play. Yeah, former panther in Southern Illinois, Saluki,
Speaker 1: holy cow.
Speaker 2: But that's why you do that, you know. So this
Speaker 2: isn't necess like a young team you think it is
Speaker 2: because just because they're rebuilding, right or retooling. This is
Speaker 2: not a rebuilding. This is really like a retooling year
Speaker 2: for the Commanders. But like I said, I think this
Speaker 2: may just come down to Jimmy's and Joe's I think
Speaker 2: the Lions players are just flat out better offensively and
Speaker 2: defensively than the Commanders. But Jaden Daniels is an X
Speaker 2: factor here. The amount of points that the Commanders can
Speaker 2: score as an offense also an X factor. Aaron Glenn
Speaker 2: does like to blitz you play man coverage of the
Speaker 2: back end and Jaden Daniels, if you blitz them, that's
Speaker 2: a quarterback that could burn you.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm the only chance for the Commanders is Jaden
Speaker 1: taps into something even more right. And I'm you know,
Speaker 1: every third down he finds a way to leak out
Speaker 1: and every like he he would have to do something
Speaker 1: truly special. I'm interested to see if he taps into
Speaker 1: his legs a little more like we saw Lamar last week.
Speaker 1: You know what was it that first drive or first
Speaker 1: two drives he holds run times that you know for
Speaker 1: Jaden that can be a safe place. It's it's interesting
Speaker 1: that he stayed away for it, but it's also what
Speaker 1: the defense fear. So I I'm interested to see that
Speaker 1: part of his game. How much does he try to
Speaker 1: revert to that because it's where he can be special
Speaker 1: and different. Keeping up with the Lions man's field goals
Speaker 1: or failures race to thirty points that I I don't
Speaker 1: think the Commanders fully have that. It'll be interesting, man,
Speaker 1: I I guess in that game and this is just
Speaker 1: the Chiefs pedigree coming in. But for those two games
Speaker 1: with massive spreads nine and a half points Detroit, I
Speaker 1: could see Detroit getting tight. Buttole a little bit more,
Speaker 1: if Terry On Arnold gets burned on the outside once
Speaker 1: and Golf has one of those, He's had a few
Speaker 1: games where he's actually put together decent game, but he
Speaker 1: starts off and it's like two picks on the first
Speaker 1: two drives. It's like, Hey, Jared, what Yeah? What happens?
Speaker 2: Doesn't have a ton of interceptions, But the games that
Speaker 2: he has, the interceptions that usually come.
Speaker 1: Up quick and you're just like, what is what is this?
Speaker 1: And you know, the city of Detroit with that just
Speaker 1: kind of.
Speaker 2: Buzz man buzzing.
Speaker 1: That would be the But the Lions are going to
Speaker 1: get thirty yeah, and the Commanders that that basically means
Speaker 1: if you slip up on one drive, you're gonna be
Speaker 1: up against it. That I don't know. It should be
Speaker 1: Chiefs and Lions roll and get ready for the next step.
Speaker 1: It would be interesting to see at Zombie Texans if
Speaker 1: I could buy like two zombie Texan stocks just to
Speaker 1: take the screen shot the next day and be like otherwise,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm out on both of them. Sunday Rams Iggles
Speaker 1: and I'm glad you brought up Jeremy Chin. I am, yeah,
Speaker 1: because you mentioned Bobby talking about the Eagles and Hurts
Speaker 1: isn't always going to have that online. I think I
Speaker 1: had bad news for you guys. I think he's gonna
Speaker 1: have it. Not necessarily the guys, but this year Kelsey
Speaker 1: left and I know they brought in a great center
Speaker 1: and they paid him, but they did that. Zach Bahn
Speaker 1: on defense, he was just he was like he was.
Speaker 2: Like an outside linebacker, rotational.
Speaker 1: The Eagles are doing stuff at another level that you
Speaker 1: mentioned Jeremy Chin and like, I'm we've gotten better at this.
Speaker 1: In the baseball world, with it's usually retread pitchers that
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, you know, they had him thrown a
Speaker 1: four seamer, let's teach him a sinker, and it's like, wow,
Speaker 1: he had a great year. It seems like football might
Speaker 1: have a little more retread coming because it's tough because
Speaker 1: it's such a short life span. But Jeremy Chin shout
Speaker 1: out Zach Bahn. I don't know. I think the Eagles
Speaker 1: are operating at a different level.
Speaker 2: Your guy can I was one of the biggest X
Speaker 2: fact this postseason. Vic vangel Yeah, defensive coordinator for the
Speaker 2: well of the biggest X factors this postseason.
Speaker 1: It's tough. I can't. I can't claim. I'll claim I
Speaker 1: can't claim Vic. I think a lot of other people
Speaker 1: have claimed Vic before me. He did. He coached a
Speaker 1: lot of bad Bronco teams to an okay spot. But
Speaker 1: that's for another time. I guess. So the Rams, they
Speaker 1: have the pedigree, they have the coach, they have the quarterback,
Speaker 1: they have two wide outs that while they've had them
Speaker 1: on the field that's felt different. Oh my god, when
Speaker 1: Higbee was out there and I know he's questionable for
Speaker 1: this game, and they have was it the youngest, the
Speaker 1: cheapest defense in football?
Speaker 2: Their front four. I mean, we'll go through it in
Speaker 2: the interior of Kolbe Turner's second year player, like I
Speaker 2: think a Day two pick, uh, and then you have
Speaker 2: a Brandon Fisk Florida State, Florida State first round pick.
Speaker 2: So that's your tierrior first and second year, and then
Speaker 2: your edge rushers. You have Jared Verse Florida State. And
Speaker 2: then you also have on the opposite side you have
Speaker 2: Byron Young from Tennessee, who was like a Day two
Speaker 2: or a Day three pick from Tennessee the previous year.
Speaker 2: So year one and your two players are your front
Speaker 2: four and they're good.
Speaker 1: They are good, and it feels like the defense is
Speaker 1: taking a step. Feels like Stafford and McVeigh. You know,
Speaker 1: remember McVeigh, Like after they won the first Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: he was like he might be going to the booth
Speaker 1: and everyone's like, whoa McVeigh young coach, But it's like, well,
Speaker 1: you time that right, you can kind of live forever.
Speaker 1: Dude blows my mind when I turn on you know,
Speaker 1: whichever NFL game ends or starts, whenever Bill Cower pops up,
Speaker 1: I'm like, what, Yeah, Coward felt like he was old
Speaker 1: when he retired and he's still at it and he
Speaker 1: still looks like Bill Coward that. It's like, dude, if
Speaker 1: McVeigh won that Super Bowl, went to the booth, get
Speaker 1: ready to see eighty years of Sean McVay.
Speaker 2: They showed McVeigh and Stafford back to back, like during
Speaker 2: the national anthem, It's like mcfany looks younger than Matthew
Speaker 2: staff Steven's got the gray Man beer going on.
Speaker 1: So we've got the original boy genius coach. Yeah, we've
Speaker 1: got Matthew Stafford, who knows how many more rodeos he's
Speaker 1: up for. We got the wide receivers back. It feels
Speaker 1: like their defense is now an asset, which it didn't
Speaker 1: necessarily feel like that before. Against the Iggles, who have
Speaker 1: dominant players in dominant places, both lines, Saquon, they can
Speaker 1: get any fourth and one or third and one that
Speaker 1: they need at any time. That's almost not even a
Speaker 1: play for them. They have a head coach who is
Speaker 1: almost viewed opposite of boy genius. Yeah, for lack of
Speaker 1: a better term, But in a way it works. He's
Speaker 1: like the most successful coach in NFL history. And that's
Speaker 1: a little bit of the assets he's using, and it's
Speaker 1: a little bit of how he acts with it. Philadelphia
Speaker 1: is a six and a half point favorite. The other
Speaker 1: thing that does need to be mentioned, justin Pennock, these
Speaker 1: two teams played once, if I remember correctly, Yeah, thirty
Speaker 1: seven to twenty Eagles and Saquan ran for two fifty five.
Speaker 2: That's the worry anytime. Yeah, that's still worry that story
Speaker 2: anytime you play them. If I'm if I'm the if
Speaker 2: I'm the Rams here, which I'm surprised to see that
Speaker 2: they only had an eighteen percent LTZ rate from No
Speaker 2: No Football this past week and the Packers who played
Speaker 2: the Eagles had a twenty point eight. I am ramping
Speaker 2: that percentage up, okay, or what the Rams did. What
Speaker 2: I really liked is a couple times you saw, all right,
Speaker 2: we're gonna show this, We're gonna show these front four,
Speaker 2: we're gonna show this five. But then you saw these
Speaker 2: corners and these slock corners, like there was one sack
Speaker 2: that they had where they brought both corners. I'm like,
Speaker 2: that is crazy work to bring in two cornerbacks on
Speaker 2: a blitz and you're dropping back these linebackers. I think
Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts could crumble when he's when he's being blitzed,
Speaker 2: diagnosing what's happening in front of him. He's done a
Speaker 2: good job with it this year. He's done decent because
Speaker 2: last year it was you blitz the Eagles and they
Speaker 2: don't know what to do, and Jalen Hurts will take sacks,
Speaker 2: take stacks, take sacks. It's not the same this year.
Speaker 2: But I still think there's a little bit of Jalen
Speaker 2: Hurts in there where if you blitz them, if you
Speaker 2: make them feel uncomfortable, and you put pressure on that
Speaker 2: Eagles offensive line numbers wise, I don't know if the
Speaker 2: front four, the really talented front four of those first
Speaker 2: and second year players, I don't know how often they're
Speaker 2: gonna win one v one mano wemno against the Eagles
Speaker 2: against Eagles a line. But if you put pressure on them,
Speaker 2: and you show different looks and you pressure on them
Speaker 2: numbers wise, that's where I think the Rams could have
Speaker 2: a path. But also that Jalen Hurts are on the ball.
Speaker 2: Saquon Barkley is the formula of this because if you
Speaker 2: bring in a blitz and somebody is running behind Saquon
Speaker 2: Barkley and then goodbye, he runs for fifty five yards.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I guess you know, for the this talented,
Speaker 1: the talented Rams defensive line, you know, I think there
Speaker 1: was some thoughts that they could they could be a
Speaker 1: little light or that was a part of the reason.
Speaker 1: But everyone compared to the Eagle zo line is a
Speaker 1: little light. Yeah, So that that's one of the questions
Speaker 1: I think something that I haven't been able to wrap
Speaker 1: my head around. And this unfortunately ties to our friend
Speaker 1: Sam Darnold. Is okay, you know, because I think everyone
Speaker 1: felt a little bad for Sam. Liked pretty tough to
Speaker 1: end that way, like you know, whoever you are, like story, yeah,
Speaker 1: you should just feel a little bad for Sam. That
Speaker 1: I was wondering. Okay, they played the Lions in Detroit
Speaker 1: Anzelone comes back. I was just listening to my guy
Speaker 1: Booger on PMT and they were like, you know, how
Speaker 1: much of effect is that Azeloni? Like, you know, he
Speaker 1: calls the plays. Is it just him being back? And
Speaker 1: he's like he compared it to and I don't think
Speaker 1: this is perfect, but it's cool. Booger McFarlane said it.
Speaker 1: He said, it's the version of a dad taking care
Speaker 1: of kids and mom goes away for the weekend. It's
Speaker 1: just different, like we got this, but you don't. At
Speaker 1: the same time, it's like when you've got that, it
Speaker 1: just feels different that. Okay, Detroit with that stadium and
Speaker 1: that big of a game in their defense getting Angeloni back,
Speaker 1: Where is Detroit's defense now? Because I know they had
Speaker 1: a couple tough weeks there, but when Sam played them?
Speaker 1: Where were they this Rams defense? We're now hyping them up,
Speaker 1: this young core that seems like it's solidified, And was
Speaker 1: it Less Sneid or Wes snead Less? I believe who
Speaker 1: puts the Rams together is less a name.
Speaker 2: What's that about?
Speaker 1: You know that him with McVeigh and putting a team
Speaker 1: together and they had draft picks and now it's all jelling.
Speaker 1: There is a world where Sam Darnold actually just ran
Speaker 1: into two good defenses at the wrong time that plummetated season.
Speaker 1: Obviously he was like struggling to get the ball out.
Speaker 1: And there's some other Donald stuff there. I guess that's
Speaker 1: what I'm interested to see. Are these there's a world
Speaker 1: where these Rams are peaking, like they bust out all
Speaker 1: his tricks, Stafford Bucks bust out all his tricks. They
Speaker 1: can run the ball a little bit if their defense
Speaker 1: is peaking and they're on the road and they played
Speaker 1: last like there's a recipe. Yeah, it could also just
Speaker 1: all be for not if the Eagles give Saquon the
Speaker 1: ball on first down and get eight yards every time,
Speaker 1: and sometimes they don't do that, and it's horribly frustrating.
Speaker 1: It blows my mind.
Speaker 2: That's the worry. That's the worry. And I have a
Speaker 2: little worry too because I'm obviously I'm a big Rams guy.
Speaker 2: I want I want my Rams to do well. I
Speaker 2: want Matthew Stafford to well, and I don't want the
Speaker 2: Eagles to do well. But again, Vic Vangil being an
Speaker 2: X factor in this postseason, you're playing too high. A
Speaker 2: very dangerous thing in the NFL, Jake is when you
Speaker 2: can play too high as a defense and then still
Speaker 2: stop the run because you have Jalen Carter, you have Davis,
Speaker 2: you have I mean, so I'll admit some of these
Speaker 2: edge rushers you want to talk about light, like Nolan
Speaker 2: Smith is light and he's going out there and he's
Speaker 2: bull rushing tackles and it's like that shouldn't happen. And
Speaker 2: then you have Zach Bond to Kobe Dean got hurt,
Speaker 2: so that's a tough injury for them. But Zach Bad's
Speaker 2: playing like this all pro who makes plays in coverage
Speaker 2: and in the run. So the Rams gotta be able
Speaker 2: to like first and second down. And this is every
Speaker 2: football game, but I think particularly it's gonna be big
Speaker 2: in this game. First and second hand, you gotta win,
Speaker 2: avoid third down or avoid third and long, because then
Speaker 2: that's when you gonna have a pass rush that's been
Speaker 2: he gonna have a defense that can really tee off
Speaker 2: and have some fun. So first and second down between
Speaker 2: Barkley on the eagle side and then also keeping Stafford
Speaker 2: out of third and long situations where maybe he can
Speaker 2: get hit up a little bit. I think out of
Speaker 2: all games this weekend, it's the first and second nd
Speaker 2: is the biggest talking point in this one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you almost have to, like again, Siriani kind of
Speaker 1: rubs everyone the wrong way.
Speaker 2: Even Philly fans rub him the wrong way. Like you
Speaker 2: walk around that parking lot, they're like something.
Speaker 1: Man like this NFL head coach who's setting records, and
Speaker 1: he like proudly wears the Italian flag. You think, like
Speaker 1: that's a very proud The Italians are proud people. Let
Speaker 1: me stay that Philly proud people. And for some reason he.
Speaker 2: Just kind of stand him. There was a there's a clip.
Speaker 2: I don't know who did it, but there was a
Speaker 2: little mini mic video. If the Eagles are gonna fail
Speaker 2: or lose this postseason, who's the blame? Like Nick Sirianni,
Speaker 2: it's like just no doubt it's like this.
Speaker 1: It's it's kind of wild that I you almost need
Speaker 1: to like distract him with a flashy light that's like, hey,
Speaker 1: please don't give it to Saquon on first and second down.
Speaker 2: Hey, don't don't talk ship to whoever that doesn't matter,
Speaker 2: don't talk shit to your fans, Like, let's.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think the Eagles they kind of
Speaker 1: already overcame their adversity. They already played a playoff game
Speaker 1: just to like ice that. Like it's no, the no
Speaker 1: potential of one and done I think is actually huge
Speaker 1: for them.
Speaker 2: If they're gonna want it's gonna be boring and should
Speaker 2: be yeah, because that's what they that's what they.
Speaker 1: Should be man Like. It's it's unreal. If if the
Speaker 1: Rams can score early and make the Eagles play regular football,
Speaker 1: that's how they win, and that's insane and the Eagles
Speaker 1: should not be baited into that. But it's almost like
Speaker 1: they have the coach that should be baited into that,
Speaker 1: yet they never do because they still win. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I uh, I think there's gonna be a lot of
Speaker 1: people ruin for the Rams between Stafford's last ride. I
Speaker 1: don't I don't think they're gonna do it.
Speaker 2: I know. I just think this also could be a
Speaker 2: Jimmy's and Joe's game where Eagles roster young. They're also
Speaker 2: a young roster, but they're they're super talented, super super talented.
Speaker 1: I feel like both teams are very young on the
Speaker 1: back end. That I wonder, Yeah, I wonder if Stafford
Speaker 1: can take advantage of that more or you know those
Speaker 1: two or three plays that they draw up that's aj
Speaker 1: Brown and Davante, if it's gonna be like, oh, it's.
Speaker 2: Like sometimes you forget that those guys are on the team,
Speaker 2: and then they'll they'll have those big games and it's like, oh, well,
Speaker 2: they gotta give it to those guys every week, and
Speaker 2: that just doesn't happen.
Speaker 1: You know how the rams just crack. It feels like
Speaker 1: Nikua gets the ball every other.
Speaker 2: Play, cracks of rib comes in two plays later.
Speaker 1: He's a monster.
Speaker 2: It was a lead blocker. They put them in motion
Speaker 2: as like a lead blocker. They don't need a full back.
Speaker 1: Built out of different material yeah than us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they'll replace They'll replace the material mid game and
Speaker 2: put another on them and then I'll go back out there.
Speaker 1: Just doesn't doesn't care.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: I think that is, let's see if the Rams can
Speaker 1: make that a game. There's a chance they cannot. Yea,
Speaker 1: and the Eagles are so good on each d line
Speaker 1: that I think, you know, even me trying to give
Speaker 1: the zombie textan some love, I think, me trying to
Speaker 1: give the Rams some love. I do think there's just
Speaker 1: too much of a ripple effect of seeing a team
Speaker 1: play last week and look solid.
Speaker 2: They also could just match up well against the Vikings,
Speaker 2: which I think they did beat the Vikings on regular season.
Speaker 1: To the other side of that darnal conversation is maybe
Speaker 1: everyone just found out their weakness at the right time.
Speaker 1: It was like get to Sam, so those long developing
Speaker 1: plays don't happen and it got exposed quickly.
Speaker 2: That's this game.
Speaker 1: It leaves us with one. It is the soup de jore.
Speaker 1: It is the game of the weekend. It's the game
Speaker 1: that could save the whole playoffs if some of these
Speaker 1: early games don't click. Ravens Bills in Buffalo. It's listed
Speaker 1: as Baltimore by a point, so essentially pick them. But
Speaker 1: that's interesting because you know, the Buffalo Cold pretty pretty
Speaker 1: famously crazy fan base at this point, Bill's Mafia saw
Speaker 1: the special on that on ESPN, the two MVP candidates
Speaker 1: a quarterback. It's the Bills feeling like they've reached a peak.
Speaker 1: They have a rushing game now their offensive options make sense.
Speaker 1: The Ravens, I mean they were they early won me
Speaker 1: over for Super Bowl because I was like, if they
Speaker 1: can run like this, there's nothing you can do. And
Speaker 1: Dereck Henry almost getting two Bills. Lamar, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, Pennic, this is where I'm interested to see
Speaker 1: what you say, because if they played this game ten times,
Speaker 1: it's five and five. Man, Like, Okay, we fumbled this game,
Speaker 1: we lost, they fumbled that game, we won that again.
Speaker 1: That's horrible analysis. But I guess what am I missing?
Speaker 2: What I think you're missing is I'm a little worried
Speaker 2: that there's some ghosts for Lamar. Okay, pre like pre
Speaker 2: playoff appearances, the Ravens at times can be a very
Speaker 2: highly penalized team and they get undisciplined, and if the
Speaker 2: game script isn't going according to plan, then we do
Speaker 2: things that we shouldn't be doing. As the Baltimore Ravens,
Speaker 2: like Lamar, I feel dirty saying that. Lamar can't handle
Speaker 2: being down by like ten points, but she can. He
Speaker 2: can because he's that good. We just talked about how.
Speaker 1: He's It just makes them significantly less special.
Speaker 2: You're you're playing.
Speaker 1: If the threat of Derrick Henry popping one every single
Speaker 1: run isn't there and you're putting Justice Hill in the game,
Speaker 1: it feels it feels significantly different. They're wide receivers, don't
Speaker 1: horrify you. You know, even Mark Andrews like he's he's
Speaker 1: Mark Andrews, but you're not scared of the seventy yard
Speaker 1: play that yes, they where the Bills. They are still
Speaker 1: built on throwing the ball that if they go down ten,
Speaker 1: it almost feels like bad news. It feels like, hey,
Speaker 1: James Cook, you're gonna have to wait a little bit.
Speaker 2: Well now the games in Josh allenowns.
Speaker 1: But he's more dangerous as I think Cook's still more
Speaker 1: dangerous as a straight up pass threat. Yeah that, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I think that's a fair thing to feel.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, I mean there's Baltimore Ravens. They've been a
Speaker 2: highly penalized team all throughout the season. I just feel
Speaker 2: like the Bills can maybe deal with a little bit
Speaker 2: more adversity versus the Ravens. They kind of need the
Speaker 2: game to go their way. They need kind of like
Speaker 2: the perfect game to gamescript from kind of start to
Speaker 2: finish to go their way for you to feel like
Speaker 2: they they have that good shot, you know, the Bill
Speaker 2: and both of these teams are so evenly matched where
Speaker 2: I think, like these offenses, they're both top five and passing,
Speaker 2: and they're both top five and rushing. I would put
Speaker 2: I would give the edge to the Bills offensive line
Speaker 2: in certain areas as a pass blocking unit, but I
Speaker 2: think I would give the edge to the Ravens as
Speaker 2: a run blocking unit. So they're so evenly matched, and
Speaker 2: that's why the line is as close as it is
Speaker 2: little surprising that the Ravens are road favorites, but that's uh.
Speaker 2: Those are my thoughts on that this is the game
Speaker 2: that I have the hardest getting the hardest read on,
Speaker 2: as you could tell for this whole weekend.
Speaker 1: It's okay, Like I'm kind of glad that's the answer, man,
Speaker 1: because I.
Speaker 2: Don't they're good.
Speaker 1: Both these teams are amazing. Both these both of these teams,
Speaker 1: if they ended up holding up the Super Bowl Trophy
Speaker 1: in a couple of weeks, we would say, like, wow,
Speaker 1: that's a great team. They had a orderline, if not
Speaker 1: MVP quarterback. It's a team that's like taking their lumps
Speaker 1: like it's it's everything you want, and I mean it's
Speaker 1: for me. It's tough to go year over year with
Speaker 1: individual teams like this. This feels like Baltimore's best team,
Speaker 1: the lamar Era last year's better. Derrick Henry Man Derrick.
Speaker 2: Henry is the one big difference. But you had a
Speaker 2: say what you want about Odell. O'Dell is a good
Speaker 2: receiver for them and what they were doing last year.
Speaker 2: They don't have that third receiver you had Mark Andrews.
Speaker 2: You still have. The line was so much better. Yet
Speaker 2: Kevin Zeitler on that line, I know, yeah, I know,
Speaker 2: Derrick Henry, I know Derek I know, But I think
Speaker 2: the defense was way more talented.
Speaker 1: To twenty three Odell.
Speaker 2: I know. Stop that the team.
Speaker 1: I think the team the team.
Speaker 2: Jake the Ravens last year kicked ass. I think they
Speaker 2: broke like an NFL record for the amount of times
Speaker 2: that they beat teams, with the record over five hundred.
Speaker 2: And they killed they killed them all. They killed them all.
Speaker 2: And that's what makes that that AFC Championship game so
Speaker 2: frustrating or whatever they played that makes that playoff game
Speaker 2: against the Chiefs so frustrating because it's like, why are
Speaker 2: we only running the ball to our running back six times?
Speaker 2: Six times? And it's not like they were losing by
Speaker 2: seventeen to twenty points the whole game.
Speaker 1: Is this the Bills best team in the Josh Allen era?
Speaker 1: I mean I had was what was the year they
Speaker 1: had that shootout with the Chiefs where they lost in
Speaker 1: overtime and that was it their defense.
Speaker 2: Their defense may have been better, but it feels like
Speaker 2: they're better this year. But the game, I think they
Speaker 2: finally have very good symmetry and chemistry with Joe Brady,
Speaker 2: you know, even though there's no Stephan Dicks. I kind
Speaker 2: of feel like that's better for them. I think we
Speaker 2: can spread the ball out a little bit more and
Speaker 2: there's nobody going to be demanding targets. So I do
Speaker 2: feel like offensively, this is the most complete that we've seen,
Speaker 2: especially when it's led by an offensive line that is
Speaker 2: as solid as it is. You couldn't always say that
Speaker 2: about the Bills.
Speaker 1: If I made you pick with I'm gonna have to
Speaker 1: pick even gamble with your your hard earned money? What
Speaker 1: would you do?
Speaker 2: I'm rooting for the Ravens, but I think I'm picking
Speaker 2: the Bills eight and oh at home.
Speaker 1: Yes, yep, yeah it's and I this goes with that.
Speaker 1: This should have been said earlier. The Ravens beat the
Speaker 1: Bills thirty five to ten in Baltimore. Derek Henry, I
Speaker 1: believe one hundred and ninety nine yards, not two hundred.
Speaker 1: But I think the first run of the game, I
Speaker 1: think he it was a house call.
Speaker 2: Oh was this the uh? Was this the one where
Speaker 2: he eighty seven yard touchdown where he reaches like the
Speaker 2: same max speed as Xavier Worthy reached that weekend? That
Speaker 2: was That's a million view of reel on a jam football.
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Speaker 1: A couple more videos will drop.
Speaker 2: Same point differential, same average morgin the victory this year
Speaker 2: for both of these teams. Point differential plus one fifty seven,
Speaker 2: average margin of victory fourteen point nine. Same. I like
Speaker 2: that are so similar.
Speaker 1: Whoever wins this one probably goes on to play the
Speaker 1: Chiefs and Arrowhead where both have been taken down.
Speaker 2: Yes, because the Ravens played their Week one right, that
Speaker 2: was the Week one game, and then uh highly controversial ending,
Speaker 2: and then Bills Bills took down the Chiefs. Right.
Speaker 1: I guess I meant in recent I was talking.
Speaker 2: Yes, because the Chiefs owned the Bills and the playoffs
Speaker 2: Bills own them in the regular season. That's the whole thing.
Speaker 1: Hey, probably getting ahead of myself, because again, favorites isn't
Speaker 1: how the sports always works. If it's Lions Eagles, knowing
Speaker 1: what you currently know, your opinion doesn't change on either team.
Speaker 1: Where do you go?
Speaker 2: I think the Lions in Detroit respectfully destroy the Eagles.
Speaker 1: Really, I don't know. I think the Ram run it
Speaker 1: on first and second down every time.
Speaker 2: And then if it doesn't work, then just throw it
Speaker 2: out to the running back and get them in space.
Speaker 1: When has it not worked, We'll.
Speaker 2: See Jake, We'll see Pop. I'm excited for it. This
Speaker 2: is These are gonna be good. I'm even more excited
Speaker 2: after having this. Cons is the weekend, Yeah, this is
Speaker 2: the weekend.
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