WEBVTT - The Real Killer Season 3: Ep. 5, We Shouldn’t Talk About This 0:00:00.600 --> 0:00:01.160 A warning. 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:06.479 This episode contains depictions of violence and conversations about suicide 0:00:06.760 --> 0:00:11.280 that may be disturbing and triggering for some listeners. If 0:00:11.320 --> 0:00:15.000 you are struggling with suicidal thoughts, please fast forward to 0:00:15.040 --> 0:00:17.360 the end of this episode to find out where help 0:00:17.440 --> 0:00:24.680 is available. It's been almost three years since eighteen year 0:00:24.680 --> 0:00:29.320 old Anastasia Whitbolsfugen was brutally murdered in Lincoln Cemetery. There 0:00:29.360 --> 0:00:32.920 have been no arrests in the case. No one has 0:00:32.960 --> 0:00:34.839 been ruled out. 0:00:35.000 --> 0:00:36.720 Followings interviewer conducted on. 0:00:38.520 --> 0:00:42.680 September twenty first, two thousand, starting in approximately thirteen oh 0:00:42.880 --> 0:00:43.680 five hours. 0:00:45.040 --> 0:00:49.440 Then out of nowhere, a huge break in the case. 0:00:50.200 --> 0:00:53.880 Someone comes forward who says they know who killed Anastasia 0:00:54.560 --> 0:01:07.360 and they're ready to come clean. I'm Leah Rothman. This 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:13.040 is the real killer. Episode five. We shouldn't talk about this. 0:01:20.040 --> 0:01:23.360 Station name Kelly Moffatt, date of birth. 0:01:23.520 --> 0:01:27.559 With the promise of immunity from prosecution, Kelly Moffatt, who 0:01:27.680 --> 0:01:31.000 went out the night of October twenty second, nineteen ninety 0:01:31.040 --> 0:01:36.280 seven with her boyfriend Byron Case, Anastasia, and Anastasia's boyfriend 0:01:36.560 --> 0:01:41.120 Justin Bruton, has now come forward to say she witnessed 0:01:41.120 --> 0:01:46.760 Anastasia's murder and she knows who pulled the trigger. Sergeant 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:50.600 Gary Kilgore speaks with her at Mainstream Women's Center, a 0:01:50.680 --> 0:01:54.360 drug rehab facility where Kelly is doing inpatient treatment. 0:01:55.000 --> 0:01:56.000 I understand that. 0:01:58.600 --> 0:02:02.680 The times that you and I have previously talk that 0:02:02.720 --> 0:02:04.800 you were not entirely truthful with me. 0:02:05.120 --> 0:02:06.559 Yeah that is correct. 0:02:06.600 --> 0:02:07.920 Yeah, that's great, okay, and. 0:02:07.880 --> 0:02:11.079 You are now willing to be truthful with them. 0:02:11.200 --> 0:02:11.399 Yes. 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:16.600 At the time of this interview, Kelly is seventeen, about 0:02:16.680 --> 0:02:20.800 one month shy of her eighteenth birthday. She was fifteen 0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:22.919 the night of Anastasia's death. 0:02:23.240 --> 0:02:25.760 Do you know how Anastasia died? 0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:26.160 Yes? 0:02:27.480 --> 0:02:29.639 Could you go ahead and tell me what it is? 0:02:29.720 --> 0:02:30.600 Did you know about them? 0:02:31.200 --> 0:02:36.799 Where? Should I start? Just anywhere? Anything? Well, I'll start 0:02:36.840 --> 0:02:39.120 with what I know, okay, because I'm not. 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:43.880 Kelly begins with Justin and Anastasia's tumultuous relationship in early 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:47.720 fall of nineteen ninety seven. She says, Anastasia had been 0:02:47.720 --> 0:02:50.760 living with Justin at his condo and they were fighting 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:55.200 a lot. Kelly says about one week before Anastasia was murdered, 0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:58.519 Justin asked her to move out, so she moved back 0:02:58.520 --> 0:02:59.280 home with her dad. 0:03:00.680 --> 0:03:03.040 After that, she was kind of Justin was getting upset 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:06.120 because she was calling him constantly and showing up at 0:03:06.120 --> 0:03:10.280 his apartment and everything. Him and Anastasia. Justin and Anastesia 0:03:10.440 --> 0:03:13.639 had had plans at one point because Justin's parents were 0:03:13.639 --> 0:03:15.320 so wealthy and he didn't get along with them, they 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:17.880 were gonna go rob them, and that didn't work out. 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:20.359 They had I guess they had it planned out or whatever. 0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:21.760 I never saw a weapon or anything. 0:03:22.240 --> 0:03:25.000 They tim robbed Justin's parents. 0:03:24.720 --> 0:03:28.280 Got no as far as I know, they decided to. 0:03:28.400 --> 0:03:30.639 They started to drive down there to told to Oklahoma 0:03:31.000 --> 0:03:34.359 to his parents' house, and they ended up kind of 0:03:34.400 --> 0:03:36.080 chickening out and turning around and coming back home. 0:03:36.440 --> 0:03:40.440 And when was this taking place, probably. 0:03:40.080 --> 0:03:42.520 I don't know, a couple of weeks before she died, 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:44.880 before she moved out anyway, so that was kind of 0:03:44.880 --> 0:03:47.920 when Justin's weird plans for things like started. 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:50.760 Did they discussing any of these? 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:55.560 The conversation then turns to October twenty second, nineteen ninety seven, 0:03:56.120 --> 0:04:00.760 the last day Anastasia was seen alive. Kelly says, after school, 0:04:01.120 --> 0:04:04.559 Byron and Justin picked her up, and I just figured. 0:04:04.240 --> 0:04:05.640 It was like a normal day, like we were gonna 0:04:05.640 --> 0:04:07.560 go hang out. When I got in the car with them, 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:09.440 they asked me if I would help them with something 0:04:09.960 --> 0:04:11.880 and I was like, well what, And Justin's like, well, 0:04:11.920 --> 0:04:13.600 you know, I've been having like a really hard time. 0:04:14.040 --> 0:04:16.200 And he goes, who's the person who's like the biggest 0:04:16.240 --> 0:04:18.240 pain in my ass right now? So I said your 0:04:18.279 --> 0:04:20.560 parents and he was like, no, they're in Tulsa. You know, 0:04:20.600 --> 0:04:22.640 they're not that big of a problem. So I was 0:04:22.640 --> 0:04:26.359 like in Anastasia and he goes, yes, and he said, 0:04:26.360 --> 0:04:29.039 wouldn't my life be a lot easier? She wasn't like around. 0:04:29.760 --> 0:04:32.160 So that's how like all that talk started. 0:04:32.720 --> 0:04:34.800 And where were you when this convers SAFETI was taking 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:35.520 close in the. 0:04:35.520 --> 0:04:37.560 Car with them, driving around j They come and picked 0:04:37.560 --> 0:04:38.680 me up, Yeah, in Justin's car. 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:41.200 Then did night just driving around talking about this. 0:04:41.480 --> 0:04:41.640 HM. 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:43.520 Well they He was saying all this as we were 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:45.880 on the way to a gas station where they wanted 0:04:45.880 --> 0:04:48.040 me to call her and ask her to meet her 0:04:48.200 --> 0:04:50.479 d meet them at Dairy Queen. But she knew that 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:54.599 all it was all three of us, And when I 0:04:54.680 --> 0:04:57.159 called her, you know, they said that they he was 0:04:57.240 --> 0:04:59.919 going to get her out there and break up with 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:02.400 her and all this, and. 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:05.040 You called Anna sty Yes I did from where. 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:09.520 From the kick sixty sixth uh gas station in Lennoxa, Kansas. 0:05:09.839 --> 0:05:12.840 And about what time is between four and five? 0:05:12.880 --> 0:05:17.560 I'd say, okay, So in your conversation with Anna stage. 0:05:17.360 --> 0:05:18.560 Or was what it was? 0:05:18.720 --> 0:05:21.839 Just it wasn't long. I just called her and said, 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:25.160 did uh Firen and Justine they were going to meetup 0:05:25.160 --> 0:05:26.640 with day And She's like, yeah, where am I supposed 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:29.680 to meet you guys? And I just said the dairy queen? 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:32.440 Mkay? So she had already You've made arrangement? 0:05:32.520 --> 0:05:34.240 Yeah, I guess sh she'd talk to 'em on the 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:37.960 phone or earlier that day, but I'm pretty sure they 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:40.080 were like wanted me to make the phone call probably, 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:43.400 you know. So she told somebody, yeah, Kelly called, were 0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:45.279 going to go meet up a dairy queen something like that, 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:51.280 because what were heppened? Okay? And so after that they 0:05:51.320 --> 0:05:54.040 were talking about how he did They did say that 0:05:54.080 --> 0:05:55.680 they were going to shoot her? 0:05:57.560 --> 0:06:00.840 Just sh how did they come out? Uh? I mean, 0:06:01.040 --> 0:06:02.040 are you sitting. 0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:04.640 There listening to t two people playing a a a murder? 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:05.920 Do you have questions though. 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:08.800 Yeah, basically I was like, what did you say or 0:06:09.600 --> 0:06:11.160 you know, I said, well, I didn't really think that 0:06:11.200 --> 0:06:13.080 they were gonna do it, because, like I said, the 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:16.080 whole robbery thing and stuff before. But it was just 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:19.160 kind of him saying, you know that he was just well, 0:06:19.279 --> 0:06:21.679 Justin was really depressed anyway, him just saying that everything 0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:23.280 would be a lot easier if she was like out 0:06:23.320 --> 0:06:25.239 of the way and all this. And it was also 0:06:25.360 --> 0:06:28.800 they kind of had like Justin had always said that 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:31.760 he just kind of wanted to kill somebody just to 0:06:32.960 --> 0:06:35.880 I guess to have done it in his lifetime or 0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:40.560 something like that, and Buyer and agreed to it, you know, to. 0:06:40.760 --> 0:06:43.440 Killing somebody or specifically killing Anastasia. 0:06:44.440 --> 0:06:46.640 I heard him talk about like kind of having like 0:06:46.680 --> 0:06:49.200 the morbid curiosity of one because when he before, but 0:06:49.480 --> 0:06:51.960 this time it was specifically her. Mkay. 0:06:52.040 --> 0:06:55.240 And you said when they were talking about this, you 0:06:55.400 --> 0:06:56.560 said what, I. 0:06:56.520 --> 0:06:58.120 Was like, you guys are you guys are not? So 0:06:58.120 --> 0:06:59.279 I was like, you were really not gonna do this? 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:01.400 And it was just so stupid because it was broad daylight, 0:07:01.440 --> 0:07:03.000 I'd just gotten off school. It was like a week 0:07:03.080 --> 0:07:06.839 day and everything. I was like, you guys, don't even 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:10.600 I mean, it just seemed ridiculous, you know. And also 0:07:10.640 --> 0:07:12.240 they had when I got in the car, they had 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:14.840 a bottle of Jack Daniels. So they've been drinking and 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:17.280 they've been just kind of brooding with each other all day. 0:07:17.640 --> 0:07:20.560 I guess about this or just about something anything. 0:07:20.840 --> 0:07:21.760 Did you see a weapon? 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:22.120 Uh? 0:07:22.240 --> 0:07:24.520 Uh No, did you ever see a weapon? 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:28.200 The only weapon I ever saw was I knew at 0:07:28.560 --> 0:07:31.720 Byron's dad's house that I didn't think Justin never had 0:07:31.720 --> 0:07:33.720 one or anything, but I knew at Byron's dad's house 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:36.200 there was like a hunting rifle or like a shotgun 0:07:36.240 --> 0:07:38.440 of some sort that was up on the wall at 0:07:38.440 --> 0:07:39.120 his dad's house. 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:42.480 Okay, Uh, if your memory serves me right, when you 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:44.760 and I talked in the past, you told me about 0:07:44.760 --> 0:07:46.720 a shotgun that Justin out. 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:51.400 They just knowaned now that must have just been part 0:07:51.440 --> 0:07:53.880 of the story cause of Holly, I never saw having one. 0:07:54.160 --> 0:07:57.840 So uh, it's telling me about the shotgun in the 0:07:57.840 --> 0:07:58.880 past and what you saw. 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:02.240 Kah, Yeah, Why did you tell me that? 0:08:02.800 --> 0:08:05.920 Because at that point in time, me and Byron thought 0:08:05.920 --> 0:08:07.480 it would just be easier if somebody thought, you know, 0:08:07.800 --> 0:08:12.080 Justin had done it. And since they they had told 0:08:12.080 --> 0:08:15.880 me that they had him on camera buying the shotgun, 0:08:16.400 --> 0:08:18.120 and I kind of went along with it. 0:08:19.200 --> 0:08:25.120 Okay, Okay, Now this is interesting because remember investigators have 0:08:25.320 --> 0:08:29.600 the firearms transaction record for the shotgun Justin purchased in 0:08:29.640 --> 0:08:33.959 September of nineteen ninety seven, just weeks before the murder, 0:08:34.360 --> 0:08:37.280 so that gun did at one point exist. 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:40.000 Okay, okay, So you're still in the car and they're 0:08:40.040 --> 0:08:45.679 talking about the Yeah, Anastasia and I need more conversation 0:08:45.800 --> 0:08:46.240 about that. 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:51.200 But Justin was saying that they were talking about, you know, 0:08:51.200 --> 0:08:52.559 who was actually going to do it, and Justin said 0:08:52.600 --> 0:08:54.959 he didn't think that he could actually do it, so 0:08:55.160 --> 0:08:58.560 he asked. Justin was all, it was just weird, you know, 0:08:58.640 --> 0:09:01.040 he was going to do over there he wasn't and 0:09:01.520 --> 0:09:03.960 he asked Byron if he would do it. And also 0:09:04.000 --> 0:09:05.520 cause I don't think Jodin had ever saw a shot 0:09:05.520 --> 0:09:08.440 gun or anything before. So they decided that, uh, Byron 0:09:08.559 --> 0:09:10.319 was gonna do it. And then I just thought, you know, 0:09:10.360 --> 0:09:12.280 that was ridiculous, cause what Byron even had to do 0:09:12.360 --> 0:09:14.640 with it. You know, he knew in the stage that 0:09:14.679 --> 0:09:16.360 he went to high school with her and everything, but it. 0:09:16.280 --> 0:09:18.760 Just seemed, you know, okay, did they talk about how 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:19.440 they were gonna do? 0:09:20.040 --> 0:09:22.200 They just they said that they had the gun in 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:24.360 the trunk. I mean he was gonna pop the true shooter, 0:09:25.040 --> 0:09:25.680 but they didn't. 0:09:25.800 --> 0:09:26.880 Who did you hear say that? 0:09:27.520 --> 0:09:29.360 Byron said it? I said, well, how the hell are 0:09:29.400 --> 0:09:31.000 you even gonna do this? I was like, it's froad daylight. 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:32.760 He's like, well, I don't think it would take very 0:09:32.760 --> 0:09:34.880 long and it's in the trunk. And I was like, 0:09:34.920 --> 0:09:36.120 you know, you don't even how do you even know 0:09:36.200 --> 0:09:38.760 how to shoot a gun or anything? And he's like, well, 0:09:38.840 --> 0:09:40.880 I used to go like hunting with my dad or 0:09:40.920 --> 0:09:45.959 something like that. So I'm not sure like how that happened. 0:09:46.800 --> 0:09:50.040 We ended, We drove out to go get her, picked 0:09:50.040 --> 0:09:51.600 her up. You know, she got in the car. 0:09:51.840 --> 0:09:54.000 You drove out to where to the dairy Queen. 0:09:54.040 --> 0:09:55.920 I don't know which road it was on, but the 0:09:55.960 --> 0:09:57.559 one across the street from Mount Washington. 0:09:58.200 --> 0:10:00.280 Do you uh remember about what time? 0:10:00.360 --> 0:10:00.440 Yes? 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:05.680 Nay, hum, not really, I don't know. Okay, when you 0:10:05.800 --> 0:10:08.720 arrived at the dry queen? What did you guys do 0:10:09.160 --> 0:10:10.760 She just got in the car. Do you remember what 0:10:10.800 --> 0:10:11.360 she was wearing? 0:10:12.480 --> 0:10:15.040 No? Anymore, I know I'm sure probably just seems in 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:16.880 like a T shirt or sweat shit, that's usually what 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:17.920 she wore. I don't say. 0:10:18.160 --> 0:10:21.480 So, you guys are parked out the Dry Queen parking 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:24.320 lot and uh, Anastasia gets in the car. 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:26.160 Where was everybody's dating? 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:29.520 Kelly says. Justin was in the driver's seat. Anna Stesia 0:10:29.559 --> 0:10:33.400 was in the front passenger seat. Kelly was sitting behind Anastasia, 0:10:33.720 --> 0:10:38.200 and Byron was sitting behind Justin conversation. 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:39.760 Uh what was said? 0:10:40.400 --> 0:10:42.920 Just you know, she gets in the car, small talk 0:10:43.280 --> 0:10:45.480 all this stuff, and she was abating. She was like, Justin, 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:48.599 you're late, You're always late on the We were just 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:51.599 kind of uh. Then Justin said that he need to 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:53.960 talk and everything would drive across the street to Mount 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:56.520 Washington Cemetery cause I think they they used to go 0:10:56.600 --> 0:10:58.040 out there. I'd only been out there with him like 0:10:58.040 --> 0:10:59.840 once or twice. Then Anna Stezia was kind of up 0:11:00.200 --> 0:11:01.679 because he's like, I need to talk to you, and 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:03.679 she's like, well, then why'd you bring them? You know, 0:11:03.840 --> 0:11:06.000 She's like sh She was kind of like embarrassed that 0:11:06.040 --> 0:11:09.160 he wanted to talk about their relationship in front. I 0:11:09.160 --> 0:11:13.640 guess of uh, me and Byron. So we're driving around. 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:15.640 She's kind of driving aimlessly. It was like they had 0:11:15.720 --> 0:11:17.800 they had no spot, they knew where they were gonna 0:11:17.800 --> 0:11:20.800 do this or anything. Now this is not watching. Yes, 0:11:20.800 --> 0:11:24.520 we're start watching the cemetery. So we're driving around. They're 0:11:24.920 --> 0:11:26.840 kind of bickering and stuff the whole way. Me and 0:11:26.840 --> 0:11:28.520 Byron are standing in the back of the car drinking, 0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:33.640 and I don't know how long we drove around in there, 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:37.679 and so finally I got we exited the cemetery. But 0:11:38.120 --> 0:11:38.520 uh huh. 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:42.199 Before you exited the cemetery, did you come into contact 0:11:42.240 --> 0:11:42.960 with anybody? 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:45.840 I think we saw the grounds keep a guy like 0:11:45.880 --> 0:11:49.160 in his car or something. I don't remember really. 0:11:49.320 --> 0:11:50.800 Any anybody get out of the car. 0:11:51.600 --> 0:11:52.360 I don't think so. 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:53.640 Even briefly. 0:11:54.360 --> 0:11:57.240 I th actually I think maybe Jocelyn and a stage 0:11:57.280 --> 0:11:59.400 I got up for a little bit. You remember where 0:12:00.320 --> 0:12:02.839 it was that It was at a mausoleum of some 0:12:02.880 --> 0:12:07.880 sort something. I think they got I think I can't remember. Well, 0:12:07.920 --> 0:12:10.600 I mean it was just briefly got out of the car, 0:12:10.720 --> 0:12:13.240 just kind of walked around a little bit, but didn't 0:12:13.320 --> 0:12:15.320 It was like out of the car, kind of got out, 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:16.560 looked around while I kind of. 0:12:16.520 --> 0:12:17.800 A little bit got back, so they were out of 0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:18.760 the car for a few minutes. 0:12:18.880 --> 0:12:19.040 Yeah. 0:12:19.520 --> 0:12:22.480 Human, And did you and uh Byron have any conversation 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:23.240 while they were out. 0:12:23.120 --> 0:12:25.480 Of the car. No, not really. Well, I was just like, 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:27.719 you know, this is ridiculous, blah blah blah. You know, 0:12:27.760 --> 0:12:29.480 you guys aren't really gonna do this. I ask if 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:32.080 they had like planned it for a while. He said 0:12:32.080 --> 0:12:34.559 that they'd been like talking about it, and I was 0:12:34.640 --> 0:12:36.160 just like, well, I was like, hopefully, you know, they'll 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:40.200 just break up and it'll be over. So but I 0:12:40.240 --> 0:12:42.800 can't really remember like exact conversation about it. 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:47.120 Well, prior to that particular day, did you know anything 0:12:47.160 --> 0:12:48.319 about them talking. 0:12:48.080 --> 0:12:48.880 About doing thathing? 0:12:48.960 --> 0:12:51.079 No? They always kind of had rich schemes and stuff 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:53.520 like that. That's why it seemed so ridiculous, cause it was 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:56.120 just like it came out of nowhere, mkay for this, cause, 0:12:56.160 --> 0:12:58.559 like I said, probably just a week or two prior 0:12:58.600 --> 0:13:00.520 to that, Justin's little thing, and then that they. 0:13:00.480 --> 0:13:03.360 Were in Rock's parent Okay, So, uh, they did get 0:13:03.400 --> 0:13:06.520 back in the car and you exited, they. 0:13:06.559 --> 0:13:10.200 Yeah, Mount Washington Cemetery. Where'd you go from there? 0:13:11.240 --> 0:13:12.960 They were just driving around kind of looking for a 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:15.199 park or some of a place where they could talk 0:13:16.120 --> 0:13:17.839 or whatever. But I mean it was still light out, 0:13:17.960 --> 0:13:22.520 I basically and everything, and somehow they ended up in 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:24.520 the little cemetery where she was shot. I don't really 0:13:24.600 --> 0:13:28.040 quite remember where it was and everything. I guess it 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:29.680 was kind of like Justin and Baron kind of looked 0:13:29.679 --> 0:13:31.360 at each other when they pulled them there. I guess 0:13:31.840 --> 0:13:33.360 it was like but it was still ripe pace. 0:13:33.520 --> 0:13:37.840 Did they go anywhere else before you got to bat location? 0:13:38.000 --> 0:13:38.720 I don't think so. 0:13:39.520 --> 0:13:40.600 Mkay, you don't think so. 0:13:40.679 --> 0:13:42.720 I don't. Uh, I don't really recall. I mean, I 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:45.800 think they were just kind of driving to a park. 0:13:45.880 --> 0:13:47.079 Didn't go to anybody's house. 0:13:47.480 --> 0:13:51.079 No, So they were just a constant just driving or yeah, 0:13:51.200 --> 0:13:53.000 looking until you get to this point. 0:13:53.200 --> 0:13:56.160 Yeah, what's Lincoln? The cemetery was where. 0:13:56.000 --> 0:13:57.640 She was sho Okay, yeah, then we got there. 0:13:57.640 --> 0:14:01.040 Okay, do you remember which uh you'd you pulled into 0:14:01.600 --> 0:14:05.440 her from to get into the mm cemetery and you 0:14:05.559 --> 0:14:07.440 know the streets that bordered Lincoln Cemetery? 0:14:07.600 --> 0:14:09.480 Mm mm no, I don't. I think it was a 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:11.719 it was a back entrance to it. 0:14:11.840 --> 0:14:13.760 Sumhow could you describe that too? 0:14:14.320 --> 0:14:15.360 No, not really. 0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:17.439 I mean it was it uh on a hill? Was 0:14:17.480 --> 0:14:18.240 it straight away? 0:14:18.360 --> 0:14:21.240 I just curved with uh you know, No, I think 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:22.640 it was cause I we didn't. 0:14:23.040 --> 0:14:23.680 I don't think. 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:26.600 I don't think we got to it from main Street. 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:30.480 I think it was like through some gravel thing or something. 0:14:30.760 --> 0:14:33.320 By last year, i'd probably have to see place first 0:14:33.320 --> 0:14:35.720 to see which lake, cause I haven't. I mean I 0:14:35.760 --> 0:14:37.480 went back there once because I knew there was a 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:39.880 little bit more. I don't think for her there, but that's. 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:43.360 It, okay, send Uh So you eventually stopped then at 0:14:43.360 --> 0:14:45.600 a n location in Lincoln, seb. 0:14:45.560 --> 0:14:47.480 Yeah, what happened. 0:14:48.080 --> 0:14:49.400 Justin and I stays I got out of the cart 0:14:49.400 --> 0:14:52.640 of talk, you know, like once again they got out 0:14:52.640 --> 0:14:54.720 and they were kind of over on like the driver's side, 0:14:54.880 --> 0:14:57.560 seeing they're talking, just like yelling at each other. Yeah, 0:14:57.600 --> 0:14:59.200 so me and bron are kind of still sitting in 0:14:59.280 --> 0:15:01.760 the back like during well at least I was. I 0:15:01.800 --> 0:15:03.760 was just sick the drinking, kind of just like listening 0:15:03.760 --> 0:15:05.600 to him and yell at each other and everything like that. 0:15:06.080 --> 0:15:07.480 Was it still light or dark? 0:15:08.400 --> 0:15:11.680 I think it was starting to get dark. I don't think. 0:15:12.400 --> 0:15:14.280 I mean, it wasn't like pitch flack. But I know 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:17.600 it wasn't cr It wasn't like complete daylight, cause I 0:15:17.600 --> 0:15:20.640 remember I think I remember seeing headline and stuff with 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:23.640 cars like passing on the street or by there. So 0:15:24.600 --> 0:15:28.840 they're out of the car talking fighting or whatever, and. 0:15:28.920 --> 0:15:31.120 Uh, could you hear anything being said. 0:15:31.360 --> 0:15:35.200 Yeah, it was just basically her telling him to bug off, 0:15:35.280 --> 0:15:38.000 just like an argument earlier in the car. She'd taken 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:39.440 off this ring he gave her and threw it at 0:15:39.520 --> 0:15:41.920 him and all this stuff, and he was just telling 0:15:41.960 --> 0:15:45.000 her to like calm down, and she was just you know, 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:47.120 telling him. She's like, I can't believe you're not emotional 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:48.680 about those just that kind of stuff. 0:15:48.760 --> 0:15:50.800 Do you know what happened to that ring? Mmm? 0:15:51.840 --> 0:15:56.680 Great. So we're just sitting back there and Byron tells 0:15:56.760 --> 0:15:59.080 me to stay in the car, and he got out 0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:01.400 of the car. He pushed justin c for it or 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:05.600 got out, and so he gets out of the car. 0:16:05.800 --> 0:16:08.280 That's all happened in a matter probably I don't know, 0:16:08.360 --> 0:16:11.120 like thirty seconds. It was really quickly. He got out 0:16:11.160 --> 0:16:13.520 of the car and I saw him go around to 0:16:13.560 --> 0:16:16.680 the back of the trunk and I could hear Justin 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:21.240 yelling at him in German saying what saying like never mind, 0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:22.760 never mind? 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:26.160 Okay, uh stop say that in German. 0:16:26.840 --> 0:16:28.240 No. But I mean at the time I was in 0:16:28.840 --> 0:16:31.760 that's what cause. Okay, but you'll figure out how I 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:32.800 knew that what he was saying. 0:16:32.800 --> 0:16:34.080 I that's what I'm to figure out. 0:16:34.120 --> 0:16:37.080 Yeah, when he got back in the car after well, 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:40.120 okay here, so he's saying like stop, he's saying that 0:16:40.160 --> 0:16:42.720 in English and he's saying never mind like in German. 0:16:43.240 --> 0:16:46.120 But Byron, I guess was fokes on what he was 0:16:46.160 --> 0:16:49.880 doing or whatever. When he had gotten out of the car, 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:53.560 the keys were in the ignission, so he'd like grab 0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:55.280 the keys. I could hear'em, you know, like open the 0:16:55.320 --> 0:17:07.800 trunk and got out the gun and shot her. 0:17:12.600 --> 0:17:15.840 Kelly Moffatt just told Sergeant Kilgore. On the night of 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:19.840 October twenty second, nineteen ninety seven, she witnessed her then 0:17:19.920 --> 0:17:24.720 boyfriend Byron Case shoot her friend Anastasia Whitfelsfugen close to 0:17:24.720 --> 0:17:25.080 the car. 0:17:25.200 --> 0:17:27.479 I like saw hoping that happened, and the whole time 0:17:27.640 --> 0:17:31.680 Justin was yelling at her exactly. I saw him get 0:17:31.720 --> 0:17:35.520 the gun out, just go do a little I don't 0:17:35.520 --> 0:17:36.680 know what he did, just the whole. 0:17:36.960 --> 0:17:39.720 Tell me what you think he did. What did you hear? 0:17:40.720 --> 0:17:42.199 Well, I don't think I don't think I heard that 0:17:42.280 --> 0:17:46.400 little because they were still talking so much. I don't 0:17:46.440 --> 0:17:49.240 think he did the little the little teaching thing. But 0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:51.159 I don't I don't think he did that. I just 0:17:51.160 --> 0:17:52.239 thowting with it. 0:17:52.320 --> 0:17:55.840 Were you describing to me as like a pump shotgun? 0:17:56.359 --> 0:17:57.800 No, I'm not sure if he did that. I saw 0:17:57.840 --> 0:18:00.520 him kind of filling with it for a couple seconds, 0:18:01.359 --> 0:18:03.560 but it he just like grabbed it out and walked 0:18:03.600 --> 0:18:05.399 down the side of the car. I think it was 0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:07.960 double barreled though, cause it looked like an old gun. 0:18:08.200 --> 0:18:11.040 Which side of the car we him or me? 0:18:12.119 --> 0:18:12.399 Where? 0:18:12.560 --> 0:18:13.560 Uh? 0:18:13.960 --> 0:18:16.480 Just then then Anastas or they were on the h 0:18:16.560 --> 0:18:18.840 driver's side of the driver's side, say like. 0:18:18.840 --> 0:18:20.159 Here's the back of the car. All he had to 0:18:20.160 --> 0:18:22.440 do he got out, got it and then went cause 0:18:22.440 --> 0:18:25.440 they were still pretty close to the car. Okay, And 0:18:25.560 --> 0:18:27.159 it just all happened in a matter of seconds. He 0:18:27.240 --> 0:18:28.400 just lifted it up and shot. 0:18:28.160 --> 0:18:31.359 Her, just lifted it up and shot. Where'd you shoot 0:18:31.359 --> 0:18:31.639 her at? 0:18:32.880 --> 0:18:34.080 Just in the head? 0:18:35.840 --> 0:18:36.080