1 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:11,720 Speaker 1: Welcome to the best podcast available Training Competition. Here are 2 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:20,079 Speaker 1: your hosts, Jason Gibbs, Andrew Gribble and Nick Shook, and 3 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: we welcome you in to the best podcast available. We 4 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: are back player day off. Yesterday, Moose is running through 5 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 1: the building. Uh, when his leash in his mouth, all 6 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: hell is breaking loose. Dogs and cats are living together 7 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: mass hysteria. I'm Gibbs, He's Gribbs, he Shook and this 8 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: is day number six of training camp. I don't know 9 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: how I remembered that, but I did. Gentlemen boys back 10 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 1: on the field today. Um, I had a little dispute 11 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: with Gribble. I thought it was a little lethargic. Gribble disagreed. Gribble. 12 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: I definitely didn't think it was lethargic. I think that's 13 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: it was. Might have been sloppy in parts, but I 14 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: thought that of the practices we've seen so far, I 15 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 1: would put this set like the second most physical of camp, 16 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: maybe even the first. I thought they just I thought 17 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: they just did a lot of team stuff and that's 18 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:14,679 Speaker 1: what made it uh a little more entertaining to me 19 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 1: than it was on Monday. Monday. I think they just 20 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: hit a wall and I think they came out pretty 21 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: fresh today. And as I heard John Dorsey talking on 22 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 1: NFL Network just a little bit ago, this is the 23 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: kind of situation, This is the kind of practice where 24 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 1: it's based around putting players in stressful situations. And I 25 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 1: think we saw a lot of that. Uh Sometimes the 26 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: team did well, other times, as we saw at the end, 27 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: not so well. And I think that we heard from 28 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 1: Freddie after practice he definitely wasn't thrilled about the practice, 29 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 1: but I wouldn't say he was overall too too upset 30 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:45,839 Speaker 1: about it, because I did. I did think the intensity 31 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: was where it needed to be. I think you probably 32 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: got the vibe of of a lethargic practice early because 33 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: they did come out slow. There was a moment I 34 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: think it was maybe the first play of the first 35 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: team period where there was a nice uh block on 36 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: the inside hand off the Dontrell Hilliard. He cut off 37 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: it really well and ran for a touchdown, and Freddie 38 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:10,359 Speaker 1: immediately got into the defensive players faces about it and said, hey, 39 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:14,399 Speaker 1: you know that's you know, we're not going to accept that. Uh. 40 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: You know, wake up, you had a day off, You're 41 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: not off anymore. Play like you're supposed to play, and 42 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: then he got into Talkie Talkie's face and said get 43 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 1: the call Talkie, like, just like, let's go get him, 44 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:28,359 Speaker 1: get him going. You are a you might be a rookie, 45 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: but you're an energy provider. You're a leader with your 46 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 1: physicality and your voice and everything else. Get them going, 47 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 1: because obviously people needed woken up. And I think they 48 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 1: did wake up and and have a physical practice. I 49 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: thought it was the most physical practice of all these 50 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: so far, especially being you know, close to the action. 51 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:45,639 Speaker 1: There was a point where Derek Willis was split out 52 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: wide to the left and came down and blocked somebody 53 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: at the second level. And and Derek's not the thickest guy, 54 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: He's tall, but he put a good pop into someone 55 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 1: and I was, I got myself going, whoa, whoa, Okay, 56 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 1: Willie's I mean? And that's kind of the tone of 57 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 1: the practice. People were hitting hard. It was not a 58 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 1: bad day. Then it depends on who you were. Well, 59 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: yeah they were that later, but well let's just get 60 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:15,359 Speaker 1: the thousand pound guerrilla out right now. Um kickers did 61 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 1: not exactly light the world on fire today. That was 62 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: a good start for him, right, I mean, if I 63 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: was keeping tracking home. They were all they were making 64 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:24,799 Speaker 1: their non pressure kicks. I think what was an eight 65 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: for eight or seven for eight for eight with the 66 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 1: doink that the second straight time for Cybert was fortunate 67 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: there was he's playing the uprights well. But it was 68 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: when the pressure kicks came down at the end of 69 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: practice where it just hasn't gone well. Even the one 70 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: that did go in, it wasn't what didn't get off 71 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: on time. So do we count that as zero makes 72 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: and pressure situations zero? Mate? Because I think if I recall, 73 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: Freddie was yelling, we just lost because she couldn't get 74 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: out here on time. We lost the game. The Browns lost. 75 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: The Browns lose again because you guys are stupid what 76 00:03:56,280 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: he said, cleaning it up, because they couldn't get in 77 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: the right spot at the right time. But I mean 78 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: it is a small improvement. Monday was bad Monday. They 79 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: couldn't hit anything for the majority of the day. At 80 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:09,839 Speaker 1: least in the earlier session they did hit those kicks, 81 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: but yeah, still got to work in the pressure situations. 82 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: I think it's all part of figuring out a kicking 83 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: competition in which you know there's no clear leader and 84 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 1: it appears as though, both guys are struggling with what 85 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 1: I think is the most mentally grueling position in football, 86 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: not physically, definitely, not physically, but mentally as being a kicker, 87 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: because your entire job rests on whether or not you 88 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: can make a kick, and and the many different factors 89 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 1: that are that weigh into this, you know, sometimes they're 90 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: not considered. It's like golf. I compared to golf. You know, 91 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 1: you're battling against yourself as much as you are against 92 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 1: the other eleven guys in the field. So you know, 93 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: it's a tough thing. And Freddie said it to you know, 94 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:47,160 Speaker 1: day by day he'd really liked to go kick by kick, 95 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: but at least day by day and today not a 96 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 1: good day, but not the worst day. Oh, he said 97 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 1: it too. You have to have a short memory. Yeah, 98 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: And I felt like our guys, we're definitely affected by 99 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: those misses because they and over to the secondary field 100 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 1: for the day and we're working and it was getting 101 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: worse before it got a little bit better. At the 102 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: end of practice when they were kicking against nobody and 103 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 1: they had the ball just on the holder. Sometimes you 104 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 1: got to just take a step and walk away and 105 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: and you know, recollect yourself before you go back at it. 106 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 1: It's interesting because I've been We've seen it go both 107 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 1: ways here with kicking competitions, and at least in my 108 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 1: time here, I've seen it go two different ways, but 109 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: the end result has never been great when the season comes. 110 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:32,159 Speaker 1: I've seen kicking competitions here between two kickers that didn't 111 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: miss the entire camp. I thought, was it a couple 112 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 1: of years ago, Zen Gonzalas and Cody Parkey. They didn't 113 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: miss very much. And then you get to the season 114 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:42,600 Speaker 1: didn't go so well? Yeah, I mean it's so it's 115 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: and we've seen some other ones. Where was it the 116 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 1: who is the guy? The local guy? Uh? He had 117 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 1: the nickname was from murder Leg that was the and 118 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 1: he went up against Travis Coon's and Travis coon It's 119 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 1: let you have my tongue. Travis Coons won the competition, uh, 120 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 1: and then got the season was doing all right, but 121 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: then once you extended him out a little bit beyond 122 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 1: forty yards to where I got a old dicey ki 123 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: low kicks, and then so you ended up with looking 124 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: for another kicker again for the next year. I mean 125 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 1: this this team has had different types of competitions. This 126 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:20,039 Speaker 1: one so far has not gone great. It's not a 127 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:22,280 Speaker 1: it's not a choice of gosh, all these guys are 128 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 1: making and we have to pick who's making them better. 129 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: Now we're getting to the point where all of a sudden, 130 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 1: these preseason games matter a lot more than I thought 131 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:31,559 Speaker 1: they would for the kicking competition, because I think that's 132 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:34,600 Speaker 1: that's where we're going to figure out who maybe has 133 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:36,279 Speaker 1: it or doesn't. And that's where it gets tricky. You 134 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: can't you can't force field goals in situations in in 135 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: a game, in a game, I mean in the preseason. 136 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: You see, if you're one of these kickers, you could 137 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 1: be on the wrong end of the stick and not 138 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: get any kick attempts in games. So that's why these 139 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 1: practice ones are so important. But we're a long way 140 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 1: away from a decision. It's gonna bother me to that 141 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: I can't remember this guy's name, but maybe maybe this 142 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 1: is just a case of well, Casey redfriend he's popping up, 143 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: and I I know it's at that name. Uh, carry spear, 144 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:07,160 Speaker 1: that's it. Great high school kicker, carry spirit, great college. 145 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:08,719 Speaker 1: That's kind of close to Casey. Al Right, it wasn't 146 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: that far off but maybe it's just a case of 147 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: bad dress rehearsal a great performance fingers crossed. I don't know. 148 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 1: We got a lot of camp together. I mean, Greg 149 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 1: Joseph is making some made some big kicks this team. 150 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 1: Austin Cyber made a ton of kicks at Oklahoma at 151 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 1: a place that it's not like he was kicking in 152 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 1: the middle of nowhere. He made some pressure kicks. These 153 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: guys have it in him. All these kickers have it 154 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: in him. All these kickers that get drafted, whether they 155 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: make it or not, all these kickers that get signed, 156 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 1: they were good at some point. And really for them, 157 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: they go through the least amount of change from college 158 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: to NFL. They are still doing the same thing no 159 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 1: matter what. Maybe the hashes are a little bit different, 160 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: it's actually a little bit more narrow, but what the 161 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: movement you're doing has, it's the same. Like every other 162 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: player has to go through a much bigger adjustment. It's 163 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: just the mental adjustment, all right. So we've talked about 164 00:07:56,880 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: some good some not so good game balls. If you 165 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: had to throw one out here today, who would get one? 166 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 1: Gribbs will start with you, you know, I'm gonna go 167 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: with It's it's one we keep going back to. I 168 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: just think it's Dontrell Hilliard. Like the guy keeps making 169 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: plays like over and over and over again. Like he's 170 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: just he's a part of this offense. Let's get used 171 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: to it. Not just a kicker turner, not just the 172 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 1: third running back. He will be a part of this offense. 173 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: It becomes clearer every day we're out there. He's taking 174 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 1: he's he was playing the swell in the spring, but 175 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: now he's taken advantage even more of these running back 176 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 1: injuries in front of him. He just get to know him. 177 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:37,719 Speaker 1: He's going to be a part of this team. I'm 178 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: gonna surprise for people with this one. Today Greedy Williams 179 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:42,959 Speaker 1: got his first run with the ones, uh and played 180 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 1: pretty well for the most part, got burned once by 181 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: Richard Higgins. But I'm not gonna go with Greedy. I'm 182 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 1: gonna go with Terence Mitchell because this is a guy 183 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: who had to give up his spot to Greedy today 184 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: and ran with the twos and play had a really 185 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 1: really good practice everywhere. He was all over the field 186 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: and and some guys will Wilson, that's in that scenario 187 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: its Mitchell appears to be a fighter and he's gonna 188 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: keep fighting for that job. He I feel like he 189 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: was in that spot last year before he was moved 190 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 1: up to the first team. He started the camp at 191 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 1: second team. Okay, good, I do remember that. My brain 192 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:15,959 Speaker 1: is not totally mush right now. Um, But he had 193 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 1: a great training care. He was a guy that just 194 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 1: made plays every day. Like you came off and you said, 195 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 1: I came off the field and said, yeah, Like he 196 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 1: is a guy that stood out to you as a 197 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 1: guy making plays and it worked. You know, was able 198 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 1: once he got the forward momentum going. Now he's in 199 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 1: the starting lineup and he's really playing well. I wonder 200 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 1: if it's different in this with this competition, Like I'm 201 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 1: sure whoever's battling for that starting job wants to be 202 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: the starter. But what makes this one different from the 203 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 1: right guard competition is with the right guard, it's like 204 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: there's a clear winner and a clear loser. Like the 205 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: right guard is gonna play every snap. Whoever doesn't win 206 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 1: the competition probably not gonna play much. With this competition, 207 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: someone's gonna start, but these other guys are still gonna play. 208 00:09:57,679 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 1: And I wonder if that takes the pressure off a 209 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 1: little bit for for some For someone like Terrence Mitchell, 210 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: like he knows if he's not the starting corner on 211 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 1: this team, he's still gonna play a bunch and there's 212 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: gonna be games that he's gonna start. I mean, we 213 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: know with injuries at this position. So I think what 214 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:13,439 Speaker 1: is showing to me is this team has four really 215 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 1: good corners and now it's a matter of finding the 216 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 1: fifth and sixth ones and then figuring out where they 217 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 1: work best. I would like to like subscribe to that 218 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: theory that you know you're still gonna play, But there's 219 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 1: so much pride involved with these guys that I would 220 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 1: be really hard pressed to be to be convinced that 221 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: that starting job doesn't mean something to him. I think 222 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 1: if it meant, I think it means more Terence Mitchell 223 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 1: than a would Greed Whims, just because Greed he's a rookies. 224 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: He's kind of just taking everything as it comes to him. 225 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: Terence has been this league. This is not his first team, 226 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: and this is not his first camp and which he 227 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: has had a battle for a starting job, and I 228 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 1: think that it probably means more to him. He definitely 229 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 1: played today, especially like it means a lot to him, 230 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 1: So I think it's a pride thing and and hopefully 231 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 1: it continues to fuel what has been a pretty good competition. 232 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: My game ball would go to Nick Chubb, who continues 233 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:01,680 Speaker 1: to have a really, really solid camp and me. We 234 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 1: talked about Hilliard. Chubb's playing lights out. He's in mid 235 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: season form already. When you watch him play and through 236 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 1: some of those tackle eleven on eleven full contact, he 237 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 1: really elevated his game you could see. I mean it's 238 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 1: the same thing with Baker. Both of those guys. You 239 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 1: can see them during practice where they're going through a 240 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: drill and maybe they don't look as sharp, but it's 241 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 1: because they're working on things or they're working on very 242 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: You know, I'm working on this cut, not necessarily wanting 243 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: to be the best right now. I'm trying to figure 244 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: out what's gonna work for me and what's not. But 245 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: then when it's like game on eleven on eleven and go, 246 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: he is just lights out and has been for the 247 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 1: last six days. I think we've seen that progression from 248 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: the offense so far. I think it's it's kind of 249 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: on display in the last couple of days, and I 250 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 1: think even more today where even when they were under 251 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 1: when Baker was under pressure, he still found a way 252 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 1: to escape the pockets, step up, make a throw, that 253 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: kind of thing, or maybe scramble for a game. So 254 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: over time, yeah, the defense is providing challenges, and yes 255 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 1: they're hitting bumps in the road, but they're getting better 256 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 1: at it with each day and they're getting what looks 257 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: to be more comfortable within this offense, and and for 258 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 1: just a grand scheme of things, it looks like as 259 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 1: a unit, they're improving, which is encouraging. I'm throwing in 260 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: a bonus game all in there because I don't think 261 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: we definitely get one, because I think Baker was really 262 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:21,319 Speaker 1: good today. Yeah, I mean I'll give he was. This 263 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:24,319 Speaker 1: was I think his best there was some he had 264 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 1: some of his best throws at camp today, and he 265 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:29,680 Speaker 1: was really stretching the field a lot. It's just it's 266 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 1: it's not it's just not coming as easy for them 267 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 1: because they're going up against a really good defense. And 268 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 1: I think it's that's why it gets overlooked and we're 269 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: going after some of these like niche areas on the team. 270 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: But this guy's a star and he had a great 271 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 1: practice today. A lot of really good accurate throws down here. 272 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 1: It's a defense, by the way. Pet Kirwin uh NFL 273 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 1: analyst for XM Serious and former NFL exec was on 274 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 1: Brown's Daily Today and said, I spent yesterday with the Patriots. 275 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:59,679 Speaker 1: I've spent a few days with some of the top defenses. 276 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: Here with camp started, your defense is two weeks ahead 277 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 1: of everybody else and that's how they've played. That's pretty impressive, 278 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: and for the offense to kind of catch up should 279 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: be really really encouraging. Yeah, no question about it. All right. 280 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 1: That's what happened on day six out in Bria. Time 281 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: for today's Interview of the Day, and Andrew Gribble had 282 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 1: a chance to sit down with our linebacker coach and 283 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 1: run game coordinator Al Holcom. Some good stuff here on 284 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 1: our linebacking corps through the first few days of camp. 285 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:34,839 Speaker 1: Have a listen, coach, just what what can you say 286 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 1: You've learned about your guys so far through the first 287 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 1: party camp here. They take coaching number one. They're all coachable. 288 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 1: They're good guys. Um, they want to be coached. Uh, 289 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: They're trying to do the things that we're asking them 290 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 1: to do. Be physical, play downhill. Um, you know, it's 291 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 1: it's it's it's been a pleasure so far. How much 292 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 1: carry over do you see from what you guys are 293 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:55,959 Speaker 1: trying to install in the spring and then how much 294 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: how different is it when you guys get out here 295 00:13:57,520 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: and really start practicing. Yeah, I think, you know what, 296 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 1: from a standpoint, I think the recall has been very 297 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 1: good actually from the spring up until now in training camp. Obviously, 298 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:07,680 Speaker 1: you know, there's still some things that we've got to 299 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 1: continue to tighten up and work on each and every day. 300 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 1: But at the same time, I think the guys that 301 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 1: are being very conscientious in terms of their preparation in 302 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 1: the meeting room, asking questions, being prepared so that when 303 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: they take the field, you know, we can minimize some 304 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 1: of the mental areas that occurred early on when we 305 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 1: first started installing the defense in the spring. How do 306 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: you think your rookies have been doing so far in 307 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 1: handling their first training camp. I think they're getting better 308 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: each and every day every practice. I'm seeing improvement. You know, 309 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: we're you know, the thing, the slogan in our room 310 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: is we don't want to be repeat offenders. So once 311 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: we make a mistake and we correct it, okay, hopefully 312 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 1: we've corrected it. For the long term, let's move on 313 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 1: and let's correct the new mistakes and continue to progress 314 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 1: and get better each and every day. But they've done 315 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 1: a pretty good job up to this point. Safe Safe 316 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: tacky tackies liked it when the pads have come on 317 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 1: so far. He's an emotional player. He plays with a 318 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 1: lot of spirit, a lot of heart. Um gives maximum 319 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 1: effort on every single play. That's his element right there 320 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: once we put the pads on. Yes, is it a 321 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 1: fine line of managing that emotion and then as a 322 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: coach trying to reel it in maybe if it gets 323 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 1: in the way or anything there there is that you 324 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: know a player like talk you you know you you you, 325 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 1: I'd rather him be on that side of defense and 326 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: have to bring him in versus having to push him 327 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 1: over there to that side of defense. So, yeah, he 328 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 1: understands that he's a smart young man. He understands that, 329 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 1: you know, he's got a at times practice safe for 330 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: the betterment of our football team. Is that something you've 331 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: dealt with, guys you coach in the past, is and 332 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 1: and is it something that comes with age and you 333 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: get more used to it. I guess in the front. 334 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 1: I think, you know, it's a combination of both. Um. Obviously, 335 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: that's what you like to see as a coach, that's 336 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 1: what you like to see at the position, the physicality, 337 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: the effort, all of those things. And um, but I think, yeah, 338 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 1: as as guys get older and older, they understand how 339 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 1: to practice, you know, the vets kind of take care 340 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 1: of each other a little bit more so. Uh, you know, 341 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: he'll learn over time, he'll learn. Speaking of that, it's 342 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:00,080 Speaker 1: this team really didn't have a healthy Christian Kirksey and 343 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 1: until since the first half of last year. What have 344 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: you seen just from how he's playing and maybe from 345 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 1: a leadership standpoint at there, Yeah, he's he's he's been 346 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: a leader for us as a spring. Um, he's done 347 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 1: a great job in terms of his preparation picking up 348 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 1: the system. Uh, he's out there communicating. He looks fast, 349 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 1: he looks smooth, he's fluid. Uh, he's physical. He made 350 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 1: some nice plays showing his physicality at the point of 351 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 1: attack today. So you're looking for a big year from 352 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: him and the other veteran Joe Schobert. What have you 353 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: what have you learned about him since you got here 354 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 1: and it seems like he's still making plays like on 355 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: Sunday when he pokes the ball out there and on 356 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: on the two minute row. Yeah, he's got a great 357 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 1: knack for for doing that. And you know he kind 358 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: of orchestrates the defense, Uh, gets everyone align makes the 359 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: checks for us. He's still working his way through. He's 360 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: a very smart player. He's a cerebral player. He takes 361 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 1: great notes in the classroom. Uh. And so now it's 362 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: just bringing the physical part of it, the element bringing 363 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: that and and the techniques that go within the system 364 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: that we run here so that he can play faster. 365 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 1: How much I mean this is obviously a point of 366 00:16:57,400 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 1: empstis every year, but it seems like there's been a 367 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 1: big emphasis on fundamentals with tackling. How much What have 368 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: you seen from the guys in that department so far? Well, 369 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: it's hard. It's hard to say because obviously we're not 370 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 1: full live and we really won't know until we start 371 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:12,199 Speaker 1: playing some games. But we work on tackling every single day, 372 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,359 Speaker 1: whether we're just in helmets, whether we're in full pads, 373 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 1: whatever it may be, we work on fundamentals every day. 374 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: The angles that we take to the football is critical 375 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 1: understanding where our health defense is and then obviously when 376 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:26,239 Speaker 1: we arrive, we have to arrive with you know, a 377 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 1: sense of urgency and physicality at the point of attack. 378 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 1: You've got a lot of history with with Steve as 379 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: as kind of a defensive coordinate. What's been like watching 380 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 1: him kind of bring his his system in here and 381 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 1: how guys have been approaching it. It's been It's been great. 382 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: You know, Steve and I have been together for for 383 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 1: a number of years now, and uh, we kind of 384 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: know what each other is thinking because we've been through 385 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 1: so many different scenarios within the system. So for myself personally, Uh, 386 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: it's it's a level of comfort that I have with him, 387 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:55,159 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, and and we're just trying to 388 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: instill the system and the philosophy that we've had over 389 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:00,439 Speaker 1: a number of years and bring it here and and 390 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: guys are buying into it. If you heard, yes, a 391 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 1: couple of days ago, Larry Ogenjoe Be compared him to 392 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:08,120 Speaker 1: Denzel Washington is a kind of character. Is that something 393 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 1: he reminds you That's been said a number of times 394 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: over the years, So that's nothing new to me. I've 395 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 1: heard it many many times before. And then for for 396 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 1: your guys, there's a couple of guys fighting for spots 397 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 1: and special teams is going to be so important. How 398 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 1: much do you stress to those guys that special teams 399 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 1: is maybe the difference maker for some of their their 400 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 1: spots on the team. Yeah, I think as as collectively, 401 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 1: you know, in this league right now, I stress it. Obviously, 402 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 1: the special teams coaches stress it, the the head coach 403 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 1: stresses it. Guys know, it's tough to crack the fifty 404 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 1: three and you have to bring multiple value, positional value, 405 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:46,160 Speaker 1: whether it's as a position player and special teams player 406 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 1: or just as a special teams player being a four 407 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 1: pace player. That's what we're looking for. Uh So, obviously 408 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 1: over the it's of the utmost importance, and you want 409 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 1: those players to have value for you as a defense 410 00:18:56,800 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: as well in addition to special teams appreciate which is 411 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:03,959 Speaker 1: time Gribble your your big takeaway from l Holcom and 412 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,360 Speaker 1: what he had to say about his linebacking room. Well, 413 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 1: I just think that there's been a lot of focus 414 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:09,919 Speaker 1: on the rookies, and I think there's a lot of 415 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: excitement on the rookies. I know it's been viewed that 416 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 1: these guys have a real shot at competing for these 417 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:18,919 Speaker 1: starting jobs. But maybe from what I'm seeing a practice, 418 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:20,880 Speaker 1: I don't see it that way right now. I think 419 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 1: this group has two really good linebackers and we only 420 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: we a lot of the time out there, we only 421 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 1: see two linebackers on the field, so's it'll be interesting 422 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:31,359 Speaker 1: to see where a Takie Takie fits in, where a 423 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: mac Wilson fits in. But right now, I think when 424 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: it comes to starters, I think the Browns are set 425 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:39,400 Speaker 1: at that linebacker position. It's just now where we're gonna 426 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 1: fill in these depth pieces and really not something we 427 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:44,680 Speaker 1: truly got into. And basically it's hard to describe because 428 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 1: he's not out on the practic field. But do we 429 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 1: even consider Jernard Avery a linebacker right now and where 430 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 1: he'll line up this season? I think right now you 431 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 1: consider him as a defensive end, and then that adds 432 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: to the defensive end depth that's on this team. You know, 433 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 1: me and uh Nathan we're talking about this today while 434 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 1: watching practice. You know, if if you consider Gerard Avery 435 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:04,959 Speaker 1: defensive end, you're probably four or even five deep at 436 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 1: the position where you could see any of these guys 437 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 1: lining up and making an impact to some degree. Obviously 438 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 1: they're not all going to be like Miles Garrett, but 439 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 1: they could still make a considerable impact. And uh, and 440 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:20,679 Speaker 1: if you're gonna run Nickel more than fifty percent of 441 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 1: the time, which is what most most defenses do, it 442 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: seems like this defense is going to a lot. Then 443 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: you don't even really need to worry about that third 444 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: linebacker position. And you look at Joe Schober and Christian 445 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 1: Kirksy as your your pencil and starters, and then behind 446 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 1: them you could have you know, Talkie Talkie Mack Wilson 447 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,679 Speaker 1: and or a Darius Taylor or whoever else is in 448 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:38,439 Speaker 1: that group that you would want to play. And then 449 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 1: you realize that, you know, this position group that maybe 450 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 1: people were really concerned about, they shouldn't actually be concerned about. 451 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:45,399 Speaker 1: And a lot of that has to do with that 452 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:47,879 Speaker 1: defensive line and how they're keeping these guys clean. Christian 453 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:51,439 Speaker 1: Kirksey has benefited from this a lot. From from not 454 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:53,679 Speaker 1: having blockers on him, He's been able to make plays. 455 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 1: We've seen Talkie Talkie also benefit from it with the 456 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 1: second team. So overall, I mean, they're looking like they're 457 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: in a pretty good shape now through six days of practice. Yeah, 458 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 1: I don't think there's any question. Pretty impressive, and I 459 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 1: think it was something we all had a little worry 460 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 1: about going into the draft and then coming out you said, 461 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,879 Speaker 1: all right, well you got Mack Wilson, you got talkie talkie, 462 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:13,159 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden you have a little bit 463 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:16,879 Speaker 1: of depth. Not a horrible thing, but it's it's one 464 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,159 Speaker 1: of those things right now. Brown's fans experienced last year. 465 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 1: Both Shoebert and Kirksy got hurt last year. This extended 466 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 1: periods of time both of them. So you got to 467 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 1: have those guys ready, h alright, time to get a 468 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 1: little peek into what happened today at camp in our 469 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 1: sound bite section, Uh, Freddie Kitchens first and foremost on 470 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:38,199 Speaker 1: the sloppy clock management as it pertained to the kicking 471 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,880 Speaker 1: game today and if he thought that was the case. Yeah, 472 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 1: I thought that part of it was sloppy. But I 473 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: also think it's a learning process and that's what we're 474 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 1: trying to do, trying to get everybody better, trying to 475 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 1: be a smart football team. And uh, we're gonna be 476 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 1: a smart football team if we want to get to 477 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 1: where we're going on so Freddie not pleased. And I 478 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 1: think we talked about it earlier in the show where 479 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: we said the Rounds lose again, or the Browns lose 480 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 1: because we couldn't get on the field to kick the 481 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 1: field goal. It's the same thing with penalties. It's it's 482 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,919 Speaker 1: just the overall sloppiness and not wanting to be on 483 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 1: a roller coaster and straight no mistakes and no sloppiness 484 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 1: and no penalties, and that's the ultimate goal. And we're 485 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,439 Speaker 1: not quite there yet. What did he emphasize when he 486 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 1: made the guys run half gasters the other day after 487 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,159 Speaker 1: that fight. We don't practice penalties. So every time that 488 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:30,880 Speaker 1: he sees a flag thrown. And here's the thing. We've 489 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: talked about this in this podcast before too. They're upset 490 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:37,160 Speaker 1: if the referees don't throw flags and penalties occur. I mean, 491 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 1: they want to make sure that this team is as 492 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,640 Speaker 1: mistake free as possible, which should be refreshing and exciting 493 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: for fans because we've seen past regimes not get care 494 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,199 Speaker 1: that much about it. And then these Browns teams of 495 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 1: the past, you know, suffer the consequences of being a 496 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 1: sloppy team with a ton of penalties. That's one of 497 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:55,920 Speaker 1: the easiest ways to lose a football game. Two the 498 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 1: easiest ways to commit a ton of penalties and turn 499 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 1: the ball over. And they're really trying to avoid both 500 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,399 Speaker 1: of those things, where they an extreme focus on the 501 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 1: penalty aspect of it and to the point where he's 502 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 1: going to get after guys uh and negate field goals 503 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 1: that were good, you know, in situations like that because 504 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 1: of the penalties. I thought it was hilarious how dramatic 505 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,959 Speaker 1: he was today about it, and you could tell he 506 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 1: was upset. It wasn't a charade. He was really upset 507 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 1: because he knows that those types of small mistakes will 508 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,360 Speaker 1: then result in losses, which would then result in negative 509 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 1: you know, energy and and feedback for this team, and 510 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,400 Speaker 1: this is not with the franchise needs in past seasons. 511 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 1: That's how you lose the opener seven exactly. And I 512 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 1: think that's what he was emphasizing when he said that 513 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 1: the Browns lose again. It was like, these small mistakes 514 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:40,640 Speaker 1: can end up in a loss and we don't want 515 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: to deal with that. Yeah, And for the players that 516 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:44,680 Speaker 1: was that situation was a layup. They didn't even run 517 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:48,199 Speaker 1: the for the play before at full speed. You know, 518 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 1: they knew what was coming. They had their guys all 519 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: lined up in a row. It's not going to be 520 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:53,879 Speaker 1: that easy in a real game environment with crowd noise, 521 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 1: with the chaos and everything like that. That you're you're 522 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,120 Speaker 1: you're getting the situation as easy as it comes. It's 523 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 1: only gonna get more different gold the game, all right. 524 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:05,200 Speaker 1: So j C. Trader, Uh, someone rolled up on him 525 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 1: at the end of practice, but Trader able to gut 526 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 1: it out and play it out like you did every 527 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 1: game last year. I would say, after the after the 528 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 1: bye week, Uh, freddie on J C. Trader and hurt 529 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 1: versus injured. Well, I wouldn't expect anything other than him finished. 530 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 1: I don't know where that expectation level came from that 531 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:27,439 Speaker 1: he needed to set out just because he got a 532 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 1: little hurt ankle. But you know, j C. H demonstrated 533 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 1: last year that he can play hurt, all right. And 534 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 1: we have to understand as a group collectively, all offense, 535 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 1: defense special teams, the difference between being hurt and being injured. 536 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: All right. I've always heard that in my whole life. 537 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:49,399 Speaker 1: And you know what, we're a weekend account. You're banged up, 538 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 1: you know, you're coming off an off day, but we 539 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 1: just went through five days in a row, three days 540 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 1: in pads. I don't expect anybody to feel good, and 541 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 1: I promise you they're not gonna feel good at the 542 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 1: end of this train account. So I need to see 543 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: money and and bringing through and being the best that 544 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: they can be, even though they may be a little 545 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 1: nicked up. And j C. I knew j C would 546 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 1: do it. He did it all last year. So it 547 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,679 Speaker 1: was good to see because people tend to follow, you know, 548 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:15,919 Speaker 1: they see somebody do that, and people tend to follow. 549 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 1: So we need guys like that. Obviously, this is gonna 550 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: be a little controversial. Uh. Each team handles it differently. 551 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 1: Each coach handles things one way or the other way. 552 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 1: And there's it's that gray line hurt and injured, and 553 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 1: how you're able to play, how you're not able to play. Uh. 554 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: J C. Trader is a warrior. And I think that 555 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 1: you know, you've seen these guys and it goes back 556 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: to it goes back to hard knocks last year and 557 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: guys sitting out practice for bettering day off or you know, 558 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 1: guys that maybe you were a little dinged up that 559 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 1: could have practiced that didn't. You know, you're seeing guys 560 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: on the practice field and at least going through the 561 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 1: individual drills, and Trader is just a warrior. That's what 562 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,440 Speaker 1: it comes down to. Let me toss this out there too. 563 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 1: I'm guessing the same people who would be upset by 564 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 1: JC Tretter finishing today's practice would then have an issue 565 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 1: the opposite way of FAE. We get to a preseason 566 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,640 Speaker 1: game and we're all of a sudden not playing some starters. 567 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 1: I'm guessing those same people would be upset both ways. 568 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 1: So I'm just I'm gonna throw that on that theory. Uh, 569 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,399 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's good. I think this is Uh. 570 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 1: All these medical people are as trained as possible. They 571 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 1: know when an injury is something that uh can not 572 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,199 Speaker 1: get worse. If the guys out there, I think they 573 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,159 Speaker 1: understand that. Uh. And they if there's someone they know 574 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,440 Speaker 1: who has a high pain tolerance, it's JC Tretter from 575 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,879 Speaker 1: what he dealt with all last year. Yeah. And you 576 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,399 Speaker 1: know it's weird because when you saw him go down, 577 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 1: he went down and then got up very quickly, But 578 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:45,879 Speaker 1: when he went down, he had the body language of 579 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 1: someone who had gotten hurt. I was sitting there going, 580 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 1: oh no, and then he got up very quickly and 581 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, well, maybe he's fine. But then 582 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 1: he took his helmet off and he went to throw 583 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 1: it and didn't. You could tell he was frustrated, and 584 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 1: then he did end up throwing it after that, And 585 00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 1: it was a question of because that was that third 586 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,119 Speaker 1: down player where they didn't get the first down. Was 587 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 1: he frustrated because they couldn't get a first down on 588 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: multiple chances or was he hurt? So then once he 589 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:07,879 Speaker 1: finally walked away and kind of wandered over to the 590 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 1: side and and and wave the trainer off before they 591 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 1: finally came out, that's when you knew, okay, he's done something, 592 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 1: but you know, testing it to him and his toughness. 593 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,239 Speaker 1: He got his spat redone. He just had a big 594 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 1: spat on his ankle and went right back in and played. 595 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 1: I think it's important because you have to figure out 596 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:22,920 Speaker 1: the chemistry of this offensive line, and as you keep 597 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,440 Speaker 1: rotating these guys at right guard, not having the best 598 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 1: center on the field is going to affect that guy 599 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,119 Speaker 1: in his evaluation. It's very hard to separate between the 600 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,440 Speaker 1: two when you're breaking down that film, and I think 601 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 1: he understands the importance of that, and we'll play through 602 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,919 Speaker 1: something that might just be an ankle sprain or a tweak, 603 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: nothing super serious. And you know, credit Freddie Kitchens for 604 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 1: commending him for that afterward, you know, and saying he's 605 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 1: a tough guy. I expect him to play through being hurt. 606 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,200 Speaker 1: Difference between hurt and injured. He's hurt. I expected to 607 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: play for it. And also to set the tone of toughness. 608 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 1: You know, this physical prob this physical training camp is 609 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:56,159 Speaker 1: not going to just be to weed out who's going 610 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 1: to play and who's not, but also to create a 611 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 1: culture of toughness and perseverance. I think J. C. Treader 612 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,879 Speaker 1: is a model for that, no question about it. Final cut. 613 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:08,159 Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield UH asked today if he huddles up with 614 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 1: his wide receivers off the field and in the locker 615 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: room after basically the outburst the other day when he 616 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 1: got after a couple of his wide receivers for not 617 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 1: coming back to the football uh, when he was under duress, 618 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 1: and Baker pulled no punches with the answer, Yeah, I'm not, jackass. 619 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 1: I gotta talk through it again, got gotta harp on 620 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 1: it and then I'm gonna talk to him. And those 621 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,479 Speaker 1: guys know that that's a big part of our offense, 622 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:37,640 Speaker 1: and they know that it's just the fact that if 623 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 1: we get lazy and we let things slide, we need 624 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: to be over communicating right now. That's that's what the 625 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: good teams do. Like I said, I gotta be on 626 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 1: the same page. It's all about communicating, and Baker it's 627 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 1: part of the culture too. I think that Baker is establishing, 628 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 1: along with Freddy, along with John Dorsey, communicating over communicating. 629 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be mad at you, but later on I'm 630 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 1: gonna talk to you like man to man, and we're 631 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 1: gonna have this out. We're going to figure out what 632 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 1: went right, what went wrong, and how we can get 633 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 1: better at it. It's early and we're still trying to 634 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 1: figure it out. I think it's the foundation of any 635 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 1: successful business, whether you're in football or another sport or 636 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 1: just in life. Key communication, being straightforward with the people 637 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 1: with which you with whom you work, and and Baker 638 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 1: I think has been the model of that. You know, 639 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 1: he's only in a second year, but he plays like 640 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 1: he's wise beyond his years and getting on the same 641 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 1: page of his guys is important because they need to 642 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 1: in the passing game, but also they need to have 643 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 1: mutual respect for each other so that they can hash 644 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 1: these things out, because we go back to the big 645 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 1: personalities thing and well, if somebody's gonna get upset, we 646 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,719 Speaker 1: need to have a clear line of communication also respects 647 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 1: that we can speak about this like men, like professionals, 648 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 1: get it fixed and enjoy mutual success as opposed to 649 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 1: sniping at each other and and maybe having some things 650 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 1: breakdown that might have broken down the past. So I think, 651 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 1: you know, for a second year guy, that's that's really 652 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 1: big for him in this entire offense moving forward. And 653 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,719 Speaker 1: this is why those throwing sessions are so important over 654 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 1: the summer that these guys do. It makes it easier 655 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 1: for you to yell at someone when you know him 656 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 1: a little bit better and they've had a lot of 657 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 1: time with each other. Baker has gotten to know O'Dell 658 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 1: and Jarvis off the field. They were getting to know 659 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 1: each other even before O'Dell was on this team. And 660 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 1: I think that when you play and play at the 661 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 1: level Baker does, the level of respect comes that way. 662 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 1: And he's made it clear in year two this is 663 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 1: his team and that's why outbursts like that they might 664 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 1: have been a big deal if it if it came 665 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 1: from the backup quarterback last year. This year, I just 666 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 1: think we need to get used to it. Yeah, no 667 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 1: question about it, all right. One final thing before we 668 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 1: preview tomorrow. I had an honorary game ball and I 669 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 1: meant to say it earlier. Uh, to follow up with 670 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 1: your Baker Mayfield. Antonio Callaway has taken a little bit 671 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 1: of heat, taking a little bit of flak. He's been 672 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,960 Speaker 1: with a second team. Made the most of some opportunities today. 673 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 1: But I don't want to short change him because he 674 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: played really well today. He's had a couple of good days. 675 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 1: I thought he had a good day Monday as well. Uh. 676 00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean I think the it's it's come 677 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 1: clear to him what the pecking order is, and I 678 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:03,959 Speaker 1: think he needs to make a move. And I think 679 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 1: the last couple of days he was there's a couple 680 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 1: of plays where he was open, like it's just wide open, 681 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 1: I mean, and that was it almost looked like such 682 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 1: a routine play, but he just got himself very open. 683 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 1: And again, the talents there, everyone knows that it's just 684 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 1: about putting it in the right place at the right time. 685 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 1: I also think there's a little bit of a positive 686 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 1: function that comes from playing him with the two's in that. 687 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 1: You know, Freddy said today, we don't have a depth 688 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 1: chart anywhere in our in our offices, which I don't 689 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 1: know if that's entirely true, but I can understand what 690 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 1: he's the point he's trying to make there. But also 691 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 1: if you're trying to evaluate your second team offense and 692 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 1: maybe whoever is playing second team quarterback, whether it's Drew 693 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 1: Stanton or Garrett Gilbert, you would probably be you would 694 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 1: probably benefit more from having a guy who could be 695 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 1: a number one receiver in that group in an Antonio 696 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 1: callaway then just playing your you know, uh, five six 697 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 1: and seven receivers or whatever it is, your four or 698 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 1: five six, and maybe he's fourth in the depth start now, 699 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 1: but he could very well be in a top three 700 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 1: or a top four with this receiver and corep You know, 701 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 1: obviously it's a little top heavy with Odell and Jarvis, 702 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 1: but I think that that can help that unit run 703 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 1: better and get a better feel for what they're trying 704 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 1: to execute with a guy of his talent there. So 705 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 1: I don't think it's entirely uh just a demotion or 706 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 1: just hey, you're you're stuck with the second team because 707 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 1: he did get some first team reps a few days ago. 708 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 1: But I do think it's it's more beneficial for those 709 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 1: guys when they're trying to run their plays. All right, 710 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 1: what else are we looking for as we go into 711 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 1: day number seven of training camp tomorrow morning? I just 712 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 1: think more of the same, better execution during these situations. 713 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 1: And I don't know if the kickers are gonna kick tomorrow. 714 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 1: I'd like to see some kicks get made to make 715 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 1: myself feel better about that situation. But you know, I'd 716 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 1: like to see more from more, more from the offense, 717 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 1: some good execution and everything like that. Maybe, uh, you know, 718 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 1: maybe I'll request Uh, I would like a little day 719 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 1: one where we were forcing the ball to Adele. Maybe 720 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 1: we can start forcing it that way. I would It 721 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 1: would be kind of entertaining. But this offense has got 722 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 1: a lot of openings. They're putting a lot of attention 723 00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 1: Odell's ways getting guarded by Denzel Award. But maybe, uh, 724 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 1: maybe day sound be a fun Odell day? All right? 725 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 1: We could use an Odell within a week. Yeah, we 726 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 1: haven't gotten much from Odell in the last couple of days. 727 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 1: He's been you know, involved in individual and then he 728 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 1: just kind of takes off on the side during team, 729 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 1: which is fine. You know what I was going to 730 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 1: say on my list of worries I have, I just 731 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 1: want to see some fun catches. It would be enjoyable. 732 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:21,720 Speaker 1: It would create some good content for us to us 733 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 1: brought on the socials for sure. But yeah, yeah, you know, 734 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 1: not that the views are are lacking in any way, 735 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 1: shape or form. Shots all the Browns fans who consume 736 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,080 Speaker 1: our our social media content, we appreciate you're giving us 737 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 1: great traffic and sterling reviews from the higher ups, we 738 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,560 Speaker 1: appreciate that. But also, um, I think another thing that 739 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 1: we should look out for tomorrow is the return of 740 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 1: Buston Corbett. According to the rotation back into the starting lineup, 741 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 1: he spent the last two days with the two's um 742 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 1: he's gotten a lot of time at center and he 743 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,719 Speaker 1: looked way more comfortable at center today, not way more 744 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 1: comfortable at center than guard, just that when he does 745 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 1: play center, it seems as though he's starting to grow 746 00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 1: into that role, which should be really encouraging. For his 747 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 1: stock as both a starter and a long term player, because, 748 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 1: let's face it, as much as we love j C treaders, 749 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:07,520 Speaker 1: he's this is his last year of his deal, so 750 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 1: you always have to look down the road. And I 751 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 1: think that he is growing into a guy who could 752 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 1: play either position, and that's encouraging to see. But we'll 753 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,520 Speaker 1: see him back with the ones tomorrow at right guard, 754 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 1: another padded session and hopefully we can start to get 755 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,400 Speaker 1: a little bit of clarity in this whole situation at 756 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 1: the position. All right. For Andrew Gribble, for Nick Shook, 757 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:28,799 Speaker 1: I'm Jason Gibbs. If you would like to download this 758 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 1: podcast or any of our previous training camp podcast log 759 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,759 Speaker 1: on Cleveland Bronze dot com or wherever you get your podcasts. 760 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 1: We'll be back with you tomorrow. Coordinator is supposed to 761 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 1: talk tomorrow, so that should be interesting and hopefully one 762 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,800 Speaker 1: of them will join us. This has been the best 763 00:34:47,000 --> 00:35:00,160 Speaker 1: podcast available tw