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Speaker 2: I'm still live on a reaction Monday of Cleveland Brown's Daily,

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Speaker 2: merely Bo the great z uh. Let's start here because

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Speaker 2: there we do have a video from the Great Bernie

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Speaker 2: Cozar that is out.

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Speaker 3: Let's go.

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Speaker 2: Obviously, everyone's been chronicling. We've talked about it a lot

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Speaker 2: over the last week. Went in for liver transplant this morning.

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Speaker 2: He posted in the last ten minutes from postop. That's

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Speaker 2: what we know at this point. But all of that

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Speaker 2: is great. He was so excited last night when he

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Speaker 2: knew today was going to be the day.

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Speaker 3: It felt like it was very touch and go. I

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Speaker 3: think it was last week, Yeah, I think it was.

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Speaker 3: I think it was. Yeah, go ahead, go ahead, dude. Hey,

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Speaker 3: I'm out and I'm feeling good.

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Speaker 4: It's ready to enjoy the rest of the week and

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Speaker 4: the rest of our lives.

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Speaker 5: You matter, I.

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Speaker 3: Mean that there you go you matter, Bernie. That's love it,

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Speaker 3: love it, love it. I love it, love it, love it.

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Speaker 2: The enthusiasm has been infectious. I know that we did

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Speaker 2: some stuff at the stadium for him. The amount of

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Speaker 2: nineteen jerseys, oh yesterday, the Bernie stuff that was out,

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Speaker 2: it was just it's just awesome. And he's such he

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Speaker 2: means so much to this organization, to the city, to

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Speaker 2: the fans, and it was a lot going on last

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Speaker 2: week and so for that to happen, and we're not

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Speaker 2: gonna pretend to be doctors, but this all seems to

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Speaker 2: be very very.

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Speaker 3: Good, positive, positive use. This feels like we are going

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Speaker 3: in a positive direction, which is which is good and

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Speaker 3: for it's the support of the community for Bernie has

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Speaker 3: been awesome, the support of the Hasms, and Bernie talked

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Speaker 3: about how the Browns and the Hasms have basically been

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Speaker 3: his champion throughout this whole process, and obviously much often

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Speaker 3: behind the scenes has been It's awesome. He is you know,

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Speaker 3: I think it hasn't said it once. It was d

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Speaker 3: actually when we were talking that they're the stewards of

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Speaker 3: this great cultural asset that is so important to this area.

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Speaker 3: And Bernie Cozar is absolutely part of that fabric. And

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Speaker 3: it's awesome that we got this good because I was, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: we were very worried that we were at some point

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Speaker 3: and have to do a different show, which is not

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Speaker 3: one that any of us want to do. And it

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Speaker 3: feels like, right now, knock on wood, there you go,

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Speaker 3: that we are. We're moving in a real positive direction.

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Speaker 3: We love you, Buddy, love you, Bernie. Yes, this one

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Speaker 3: had it all, Oh boy.

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Speaker 2: I mean a four to twenty kick the Baltimore Ravens

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Speaker 2: in a situation where it's really not win out, you know,

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Speaker 2: because Pittsburgh hasn't separated the way that they thought. But

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Speaker 2: this is certainly one if you're from the Baltimore perspective,

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Speaker 2: you say, go in there, get a win, let's handle

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Speaker 2: our business and.

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Speaker 3: Away we go.

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Speaker 2: And the defensive performance, the defensive performance that was put

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Speaker 2: on by this team was herculean and Miles Garrett Miles

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Speaker 2: Garrett's greatness on display on a week to week basis

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Speaker 2: is stupefying. Carson Swessinger at linebacker, I know we're gonna

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Speaker 2: have the hof on the Joe Thomas f I we're

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Speaker 2: going to talk to him about it too. But an

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Speaker 2: all Pro level that he's doing on all pro I

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Speaker 2: with just everything, he's playing great. This defense is an elite,

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Speaker 2: elite unit. But the bitter pill in all of that

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Speaker 2: is in this NFL. That's not enough.

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Speaker 3: I know that it went head to head with us

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Speaker 3: but I can't help but feel like there's really not

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Speaker 3: that big of a difference between us and the Denver Broncos.

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Speaker 2: So I was able to because, I mean, the afternoon

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Speaker 3: Seat four picks and they lost by two. Yeah, and

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Speaker 3: had a chance, had chance, had a chance. They're very

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Speaker 3: was what we did to Lamar. Yep, it was similar.

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Speaker 3: They just have enough offense to where they can win

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Speaker 3: and now one eight in a row, right, but tight,

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Speaker 3: not necessarily pretty. They're doing basically what what when we

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Speaker 3: Harvey can make a big play. They just have They

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Speaker 3: with his legs. It's kind of been a big part

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Speaker 3: that's this defense deserves to be on the main stage.

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Speaker 3: This defense deserves to be playing for not only a

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Speaker 3: division title, but for a Super Bowl. That's how good

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Speaker 3: the Cleveland Browns defense is. And in a year in which,

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Speaker 3: you know, average offense paired with this defense would have

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Speaker 3: us atop the AFC North. It is just very That's

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Speaker 3: what makes this such a difficult pill to swallow. And

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Speaker 3: while this game was very different because of the second

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Speaker 3: half in Chador getting in and that, it was the

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Speaker 3: same great defense, not enough offense, you know, I mean,

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Speaker 3: you complete lamarg is the worst game Lamar Jackson's had

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Speaker 3: in years. Oh my gosh, yeah, I mean two picks

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and my I mean, Miles, I mean, it's it's

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Speaker 3: And twenty two tackles for loss? What do you have

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Speaker 3: last year? All year? Twenty two tackles for loss?

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Speaker 2: And yeah, yeah, so his career high for sacks is sixteen.

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Speaker 3: We have seven left. He's on pace for twenty five

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Speaker 3: the records take play. Yeah, he could get it, for sure,

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Speaker 3: he could get it. And the tackles for loss he's

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Speaker 3: and Ronnie Staley's pretty good. Yeah, and they're moving them around.

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Speaker 3: But yes, he beat Ronnie Stanley was the some of

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Speaker 3: though right now is singularly great, and it is unfortunate,

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Speaker 3: just unfortunate that this is being misstore. I don't know

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Speaker 3: certainly is putting, you know, forth his best effort in

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Speaker 3: accolades and things that come with that, deservedly so. But

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Speaker 3: it is not translating to the wins that it should.

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Speaker 2: It's very reminiscent of hof it is it is. I mean,

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Speaker 2: there's you can't help but see the parallels of the

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Speaker 2: professionalism to show up while team success isn't happening, yep,

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Speaker 2: and continue to do your job singularly at an elite level.

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Speaker 3: But there's also a lesson in this.

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Speaker 2: I think when you talk about left tackle and defensive end,

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Speaker 2: you can only do so much, and.

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Speaker 3: I'd argue a defensive end is able to do more

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Speaker 3: to the outcome of absolutely left tackle. But no doubt

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Speaker 3: this is. But it's still a league kneeling on it

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Speaker 3: and you've got to score the football.

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Speaker 2: I mean, even when we get a defensive score and

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Speaker 2: you have this type this is dude. Can you imagine

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Speaker 2: if if we won, if we would have won this

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Speaker 2: people would be saying about this defense and about miles.

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Speaker 3: Miles would be in the MVP of the league conversation.

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Speaker 2: Heal the losses and that's the way the wins, and

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Speaker 2: so he can't be but like the reality is, he

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Speaker 2: probably should be.

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Speaker 3: But it also speaks.

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Speaker 2: To how limited you are at defensive end to make

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Speaker 3: It's just it's not quarterback. You can only do so much.

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Speaker 3: And look, the reality is still this season, we have

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Speaker 3: scored more than twenty points once. Yeah, we have scored

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Speaker 3: more than seventeen points twice. That's the reality of this season.

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Speaker 3: This is a fun exercise because I always sometimes I

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Speaker 3: do think it's it's a it's a worthwhile exercise. Let's

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Speaker 3: say if the Browns scored twenty four points a game

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Speaker 3: this year, what would their record be? What's the NFL

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Speaker 3: five and three, five and six and four just scored

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Speaker 3: twenty four points the game, regardless of what's happening on

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Speaker 3: the other side the ball. By the way, in some

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Speaker 2: So the average NFL team this year is scoring twenty

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Speaker 2: one point eight, twenty one point eight.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we would still be a team of consequence at

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Speaker 3: I think that some of these games would add different

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Speaker 3: then they ultimately had because part of it was, you know,

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Speaker 3: in the Detroit game, that happened in the Ravens game.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, he's awesome. Swessinger's awesome, and the defense in

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Speaker 2: by and large, it's just spectacular. And this was I mean,

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Speaker 2: you just don't see the Ravens stifled like this. It

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Speaker 2: just doesn't have and certainly not Lamar. I mean, Lamar

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Speaker 2: His huge fourteen to twenty five, one to ninety three,

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Speaker 2: two picks, five sacks in this game.

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Speaker 3: Yeah you you They had a big Derek Henry run

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Speaker 3: where Denzel Ward made an unbelievable play to stop that

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Speaker 3: that's one of those huge plays. They had a big

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Speaker 3: the craziest call that I've ever seen work so perfectly,

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Speaker 3: which was the fourth and one. So Mark Anders Mark

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Speaker 3: Andrews is their sneaker. We knew that now. They had

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Speaker 3: showed in the week before Mark Andrews pitch it to Lamar,

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Speaker 3: so they gave you that look, that action, and then

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Speaker 3: he just spun around and kept it crazy. I don't

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Speaker 3: know what I said, but I was flummoxed, flabberg astid

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Speaker 3: I could I went and you knew got the lead

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Speaker 3: and it kicked out, kned out, and he went boom,

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Speaker 3: untouched from thirty four yards. Yeah. It's a guy who

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Speaker 8: And it's happening right now. Do you you said you

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Speaker 9: It could be shaud or Sanders time. Everybody and ladies

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Speaker 2: They think there's an incredible disconnect on the reality. Well,

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Speaker 3: Backups don't get reps. This is the NFL.

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Speaker 2: They have a finite amount of place to get in

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Speaker 2: I thought he made I thought the throw to Larvin

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Speaker 3: So clearly I don't I don't think anybody UNRT, I

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00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:08,040
Speaker 3: don't think anybody was able to foresee. Yeah, now you

438
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:11,240
Speaker 3: can you can debate whether they should have been, but

439
00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,760
Speaker 3: I don't think anybody really was able to foresee what

440
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,600
Speaker 3: it was going to mean. And the unfortunate part is

441
00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,480
Speaker 3: that Dylan Gabriel, who is shown to me to be

442
00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:22,719
Speaker 3: exactly what I think he was when you draft him,

443
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,719
Speaker 3: which is a competent backup quarterback in the National Football

444
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:28,159
Speaker 3: League who can come in start some games for you.

445
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:29,800
Speaker 3: And right now at least, what they're asking him to

446
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:31,520
Speaker 3: do is not lose games for them. But he needs

447
00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:32,960
Speaker 3: to show that he can win games if he ever

448
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,720
Speaker 3: wants to be more than that. But he's going to

449
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,040
Speaker 3: take care of the football. It's not going to be

450
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,399
Speaker 3: super exciting at this point, but that he's got he

451
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,640
Speaker 3: is kind of what I think you draft me. There's

452
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,120
Speaker 3: a guy who wants he wants to be on every week,

453
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:54,440
Speaker 3: every week, every week, his show, his show, everywhere, every there,

454
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,360
Speaker 3: he goes every week he's on.

455
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Speaker 2: Yes, that's our guy, right, that's our guy, the great tars.

456
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 3: Just he wasn't drafted to be the saver of this franchise.

457
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 3: He being Dylan Gabriel. Sure, Sanders. Actually, I think most

458
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 3: people would agree has a better chance to be that.

459
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:18,920
Speaker 3: But it is a bigger lift, right, It's a lottery ticket, right,

460
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:20,959
Speaker 3: which is what we've always said. But I don't think

461
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 3: people are realized or I would think they didn't because

462
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,360
Speaker 3: you would have put him. You liked Dylan Gabriel better,

463
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 3: that's obvious. You picked him, yeah, in the third room.

464
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:36,720
Speaker 3: From a just a cultural standpoint in terms of fans

465
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 3: and media and everything around, everybody who talks about the

466
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:44,560
Speaker 3: NFL for a living, nobody wants Dylan Gabriel. No, they

467
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,119
Speaker 3: all want Sha Door. So he is in almost an

468
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 3: impossible spot, Like if you're being just from a human

469
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 3: being standpoint, like I feel this kid. He's trying to

470
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:54,439
Speaker 3: make it in the NFL. He's been put in a

471
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,639
Speaker 3: position as a full time starter early in his rookie

472
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 3: year that third round picks are not typically put in,

473
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Speaker 3: you know, And so you can go back and say, well,

474
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 3: should Kenny Pickett still be here? Should Joe Flacco still

475
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 3: be here? But this is the situation that you're in,

476
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 3: and now you have, you know, Shador who has this

477
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:17,199
Speaker 3: backing because everybody people can can't separate the fact that

478
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:21,440
Speaker 3: the NFL told you what they thought his initial prospect

479
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:25,440
Speaker 3: grade was versus what everybody had seen in college and

480
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 3: been told by anybody who talked about this draft for months.

481
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 3: I mean, mel Kuiper was apoplectic as the drafting and

482
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Speaker 3: mel Kuiper's voice carries a lot of weight with people. Well,

483
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:37,399
Speaker 3: Dane had him the lowest. I think he had him

484
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,400
Speaker 3: thirty fifth. The lowest you ever heard anybody talking about

485
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,399
Speaker 3: it was the mid second round pick. Yeah, the absolute lowest. Yeah.

486
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,679
Speaker 2: So there was a massive disconnect between the tape and

487
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 2: the reality from NFL teams, which has been over the

488
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:49,119
Speaker 2: two thousand times.

489
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Speaker 3: Which goes to the heavier lift to get him ready

490
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,160
Speaker 3: to play here. But I want to see Shador Sanders

491
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:57,440
Speaker 3: need to get that opportunity where you've got and I

492
00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,159
Speaker 3: don't think it's going to be overnight. I think, as

493
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 3: we talked about, there are are things that he is

494
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 3: going to have to curb in order to maximize his potential,

495
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:07,239
Speaker 3: and I think he's one of those things is going

496
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 3: to be He's got to understand that, like sometimes you

497
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:13,119
Speaker 3: throw the ball away, you cannot drift backwards consistently. In

498
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,640
Speaker 3: the NFL. There's only one player I've ever seen who,

499
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 3: at the beginning of their career was able to consistently

500
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Speaker 3: drift backwards and be successful, and that's Patrick Mahomes, who

501
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 3: has only one an arm that is different than everybody else's.

502
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 3: We still talking about its Madden, where you just drift drift,

503
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:28,440
Speaker 3: drift drift, and then you can throw it. It really doesn't

504
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 3: matter if you're throwing at thirty yards, forty yards fifty,

505
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter. That's Mahomes we guitar as so fired

506
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:36,399
Speaker 3: upom his room came to play. There's no doubt about that.

507
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 3: Two picks a touchdown. Yeah, But I think that let's

508
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 3: just look at it for what it was. It was

509
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 3: a rookie fifth round pick who was thrust into action

510
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 3: against a very good defense, same defense, by the way

511
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 3: that dtr was thrust in against a few years ago.

512
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,159
Speaker 3: And he had a couple of moments he had a

513
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 3: chance that the Isaiah Bond one you know that sets

514
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,439
Speaker 3: this world on fire. Yep, if he hits that one.

515
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,199
Speaker 3: But showed some good and showed things that we need

516
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:08,639
Speaker 3: to work on. I think you saw all of it.

517
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 3: You saw the good throw, touch, accuracy on the ball

518
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 3: to Harold Fan. He saw on the throat to Gauge

519
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 3: Larvadan again, another downfield throw you saw. He will if

520
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 3: he plays quarterback for us, he will push the ball

521
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,199
Speaker 3: down the field. And I think the calculus we need

522
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 3: to have right now is will his chunk plays that

523
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,199
Speaker 3: he'll produce, because I believe that he will, especially if

524
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 3: he's getting all the work and all of that. Is

525
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 3: that going to be enough to offset the fact that

526
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 3: you're going to have maybe a picker. He will be

527
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,439
Speaker 3: more likely to turn the football over than Dylan And

528
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:39,439
Speaker 3: he certainly is going to take a couple fifteen twenty

529
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 3: yard sack drive killers in a game. Yes, And if

530
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 3: you can live with that, and you can say, okay, look,

531
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,159
Speaker 3: twenty one points is three touchdown drives. So if he

532
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 3: can be explosive a couple times a game, Worri, you

533
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 3: have a better chance to score points, I think than

534
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,399
Speaker 3: we do on trying to dink and dunk. And it

535
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Speaker 3: might also create some room for quin Shawn Judkins.

536
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 2: Yes, which we've said all year we were playing in

537
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 2: the red zone, which is massive. His willingness to throw

538
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 2: it down the field, he's very comfortable doing that. He

539
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,400
Speaker 2: gave out of Colorado all the time. Like that's where

540
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 2: some of that drifting comes from. Is he's waiting for

541
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 2: some of that stuff like it's cu and I think

542
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 2: that's the habit that he's going to have to break

543
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 2: as he gets now in the league. It's something he's

544
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 2: done probably his whole life.

545
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 3: Well, I think part of it too is at Colorado,

546
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 3: I would imagine the plays were very simple, read this,

547
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,360
Speaker 3: throw it here or there. If it's not there, run

548
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 3: around and throw it to Travis. Yeah, you know, and

549
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 3: that's that doesn't work well in the NFL. No, And

550
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 3: I'll tell you a guy who I think had a

551
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 3: little bit of that to his game. Now, he was

552
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 3: from a college standpoint, obviously a much better runner and

553
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 3: all that, but was John Football. And John Football had

554
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 3: a guy named Mike Evans that if you watched a

555
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 3: lot of those old Texas A and M games, was

556
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 3: if it's not there in structure, and Johnny has gone

557
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 3: on and say, I didn't even know the playbook half

558
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 3: at the time, run around and then throw it up

559
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 3: to Mike Evans and that works. That is very hard

560
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,880
Speaker 3: in the NFL. There are very few people like even

561
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 3: when when Mike Tye was the head coach of the

562
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 3: Minnesota Vikings, he's like, we're gonna have the Randy ratio

563
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 3: where one out of every two passes has to go

564
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 3: to Randy Moss. It still is hard. There are a

565
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 3: very few guys in the NFL you can consistently just

566
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 3: be like I'm gonna run around and throw it up

567
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,679
Speaker 3: to and have consistent success. It is very different than

568
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 3: the college game in that regard. In college you can

569
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 3: one guy who is transcendent can most weeks because of

570
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 3: the level of competition varies all of that, most weeks

571
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 3: be transcendent. The NFL, there are a lot of very

572
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 3: very good guys. That's what makes Mike Evans. That shows

573
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 3: you how special he was that he was able to

574
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 3: have you in on a thousand yards every year his

575
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 3: career prior to this one where he suffered this injury,

576
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,239
Speaker 3: which is unfortunate. But you know, maybe Jeremiah Smith will

577
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 3: reach out. You know, there is a time when probably

578
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 3: Julio Jones, Calvin Johnson, certainly there's a time when maybe

579
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 3: Andre Johnson. But that is very few and far between

580
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 3: to be able to think that you can operate that way.

581
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 3: So if he can eliminate those, you know, drive killing

582
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 3: huge sects, if he can always and step up and

583
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 3: take six yard sacks, yeah, that's a huge difference. That's

584
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 3: a huge difference. I think the talent is there. I've

585
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 3: always thought the talent was there. I think that anybody

586
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 3: who thinks that this is some type of a conspiracy

587
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 3: for an organization that is desperate to find a quarterback

588
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 3: is bigly mistaken. And I hope that and I believe

589
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 3: formly we will see some opportunities as this season goes

590
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 3: on for Shador to get all the reps and to

591
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 3: go out there with the game plan and hopefully show

592
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 3: improvement because his high level is so high. But four

593
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 3: sixteen is not going to cut in the NFL. Taking

594
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 3: those sacks out, you're going to have to learn to

595
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 3: understand and decipher blitzes and nowhere to go. There were

596
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 3: plays to be made if you watch the tape against

597
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 3: some of those blitzes where you've got to know where

598
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 3: your hot is and get the ball to your hot quickly,

599
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 3: where he did not do that.

600
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Speaker 2: If you listen to him, like, his charisma is infectious,

601
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 2: his enthusiasm is infectious, his post game was great. It's awesome,

602
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 2: like it's all of the things is to fall in

603
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 2: love with him. He's such a likable kid. Yes and

604
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,719
Speaker 2: kid man, and he's and look there were you and

605
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 2: I were going to the combine going like take him

606
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 2: at too.

607
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 3: I want like let's go like we did the tape.

608
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 2: We did all of it, and so now maybe this

609
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 2: is the chance where he gets that extended look. We'll see,

610
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 2: but I am curious to see what this can do.

611
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 2: And I just think like put in a tough spot,

612
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 2: he did more than fine. And I think that there

613
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 2: were are there opportunities, sure, but I think that there

614
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 2: was some stuff in terms he's he is pretty fearless

615
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 2: throwing the ball, and sometimes that's bad, but sometimes that's

616
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 2: really good. And it allowed for our offense to be

617
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 2: a little bit more. It made Baltimore defend a little

618
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 2: bit more. Now they blitzed all the time, and that's

619
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 2: something that's got to get fixed immediately because we weren't

620
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 2: ready for that obviously.

621
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Speaker 3: Wasn't oh for six against the blitz. Yeah, quarterback rating

622
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 3: of zero, oh for seven against pressure under pressure rating

623
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 3: of zero. You can't severad time to throw this game

624
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 3: is four point two four seconds. I think that's that's

625
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 3: not that that is not NFL. And the only guys

626
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 3: that can even approach something like that were early in

627
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 3: his career or younger Lamar who was more willing to

628
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 3: run around and buy time, or mahomes when he used

629
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 3: to just run around and buy time. That is not

630
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 3: a consistent model for success in the National Football League.

631
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 3: But again, I saw things that I liked. I saw

632
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 3: things that were concerning in the direction that I thought

633
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 3: we're going to be concerning. But I really think we're

634
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 3: two and eight. I would like to see him get

635
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 3: at least a month, you know, and then maybe you

636
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 3: can form a little bit more of an opinion on it.

637
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 3: But at least a month of Okay, who is he?

638
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 3: Can he fix some of these things to make, you know,

639
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 3: eliminate some of the bad, accentuate the good, and maybe

640
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 3: get us to a point where we can we can

641
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 3: play some offense here. Yeah, and that I don't mean

642
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 3: that as a knock on Dylan, I think, and I

643
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 3: could be wrong. I have a pretty good handle on

644
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 3: who Dylan Gabriel is right now, and I think he

645
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 3: will only get better with time and as he's willing

646
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:55,959
Speaker 3: to open it up a little bit more and all

647
00:31:55,960 --> 00:32:00,080
Speaker 3: of those the growth that was great, and I think

648
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 3: the evolution for Dylan Gabriel is third and five plus

649
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 3: when it's just a dropback situation. I think when you

650
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 3: can get him play action or we had the fun

651
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 3: where great play design, where it's the fake bubble, you

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Speaker 3: have the slot fade, and then you have the kind

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Speaker 3: of the skinny post mine and he puts that ball

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Speaker 3: on the dime. To Tillman, that's good, but that's not

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Speaker 3: just can I drop back and throw it? Like I

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Speaker 3: think Shadoor is probably our best option right now in

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Speaker 3: just a straight up can I drop back and throw

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Speaker 3: at the situation, there are the things He's got to

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Speaker 3: make sure he stays on his spots and does not drift.

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Speaker 3: It would drive you know, offensive lineman crazy, but you

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Speaker 3: know he can do that, and so I want to

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Speaker 3: see him get that opportunity, not at the expense of Dylan.

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Speaker 3: I think that, you know, Dylan Gabriel has shown me

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Speaker 3: he absolutely belongs in the NFL. I think he will

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Speaker 3: be at Cleveland Brown for the next few years and

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Speaker 3: as maybe as times goes on and he gets another

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Speaker 3: opportunity in there can regress to where he can be,

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Speaker 3: you know, a starter. But I always said, you know,

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Speaker 3: he's a guy that they think can be like a

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Speaker 3: Case Keenum, and a case Keenum was a long time

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Speaker 3: backup who could come in for you win games when

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Speaker 3: you need it. Got hot for a little while there

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Speaker 3: in Minnesota, you know, became a starter for a year,

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Speaker 3: had that magical year due to injury, goes to Denver.

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Speaker 3: Is now a full time start, not as great, but

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Speaker 3: it can stay in the league forever. Yeah, because he

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Speaker 3: is reliable, he will not lose you games. And I

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Speaker 3: think sometimes that's what you want on backup. Go out there,

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Speaker 3: just make sure we don't lose me in the game,

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Speaker 3: and hopefully everything else around you can help us win it.

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Speaker 3: And I think tell On Gabriel certainly has that competency

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Speaker 3: to do that. But I think what we're looking for

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Speaker 3: is a big solution. And I think, and I've said

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Speaker 3: all along, I think Shador is a gone this shuts

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Speaker 3: it has an opportunity to do that. There's so much

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Speaker 3: that has to be cleaned up for that to become

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Speaker 3: a reality. But that's only gonna happen, I think with opportunity,

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Speaker 3: and I think with Shador, you're gonna get a real

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Speaker 3: clear answer. Yes, you pay him, play him the rest

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Speaker 3: of the way you're gonna have. I don't think there's

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Speaker 3: gonna be a lot of great I think it's either

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Speaker 3: gonna be like Okay, yeah, this can work, or it's

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Speaker 3: gonna be like, Okay, no, this is This is a tougher,

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Speaker 3: tougher road to.

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Speaker 2: Here's your head coach Kevin Stefanski at the podium from

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Speaker 2: earlier today.

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Speaker 5: All right, before we get gone, I just want to

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Speaker 5: obviously probably let everybody know we're thinking about Bernie as

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Speaker 5: he's going through his medical situation here. Was able to

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Speaker 5: text with him last night and he knows that that

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Speaker 5: he we're with him and he's with us. So just

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Speaker 5: sending all the good vibes, good good thoughts I can

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Speaker 5: to Bernie right now. Injury front, Dom Jones has a

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Speaker 5: significant knee injury, likely heading to I R H. Jack Conklin,

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Speaker 5: Cam Robinson those knee injuries. Will treat those day to day.

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Speaker 5: I'll know more as the week goes on. Dylan Gabriel

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Speaker 5: remains in the concussion protocol.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 5: You know, obviously watch the tape last night this morning,

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Speaker 5: watching it now with the players and and disappointed because

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Speaker 5: that's a ball game in the fourth quarter where you

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Speaker 5: want to go finish and and and get a win

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Speaker 5: as as a football team, and and we came up short.

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Speaker 5: And it's it's all things that we will learn from,

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Speaker 5: uh that that we absolutely have to play complimentary ball there, offense, defense,

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Speaker 5: special teams to find a way to win. And that's

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Speaker 5: what be focused on this week. With that, I'll take

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Speaker 5: any questions.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, Kevin, what do you think the plan will be

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Speaker 10: with Dylan being in the protocol, Will you kind of

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Speaker 10: lean towards turning it over to shod Door so we

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Speaker 10: can get that full week of practice and be ready

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Speaker 10: to go on Sunday.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we'll work through that in the next couple of

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Speaker 5: days and this week obviously, Mary Kay, I'll update you

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Speaker 5: guys Wednesday as we get into Vegas preparations.

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Speaker 11: Hey, Kevin, when you look back at Shulder's you know,

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Speaker 11: first experience yesterday, what are the biggest maybe coaching points

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Speaker 11: in what a you're telling them, especially about dealing with

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Speaker 11: the pressure that the Ravens brought.

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Speaker 5: Well, I think you learn from every single place Scott

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Speaker 5: that's up there, and there's always lessons to be learned.

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Speaker 5: And obviously there's always going to be good and there's always

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Speaker 5: gonna be bad, and that's just part of playing and

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Speaker 5: getting reps, and then part of learning is taking all

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Speaker 5: those coaching points that come with those reps.

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Speaker 11: And what'd you say on those two the back to

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Speaker 11: back droves into the end zone looked like they had

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Speaker 11: a chance. Just need to be better balls or what

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Speaker 11: did you see there?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, trying to make a play on both of those

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Speaker 5: scrambled drill obviously trying to make a big play, got

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Speaker 5: out of the pocket, did a nice job, and then

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Speaker 5: their player made a nice play down the field.

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Speaker 12: Hey, Kevin, I wanted to ask, now, do you have

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Speaker 12: any further details on like everything surrounding doing concussion check?

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Speaker 12: Was he presenting symptoms to say anything?

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Speaker 5: Was it a spot er? How did that come to be? Yeah,

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Speaker 5: he was feeling symptoms at halftime. Obviously got with the

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Speaker 5: trainers immediately and addressed it.

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Speaker 12: And as of this morning, is he still presenting symptoms

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Speaker 12: to your knowledge?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not going to get into specifics, but he's

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Speaker 5: still in the protocol.

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Speaker 6: Kevin, I know this is a weekly question, but will

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Speaker 6: Watson be cleared of practice?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? I don't have an update there.

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Speaker 13: Okay, And you said last night that if Gabriel is unable,

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Speaker 13: play would be Shador.

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Speaker 14: You have ZAPPI. Also, is there any need for another

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Speaker 14: quarterback to join the team this week?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, all things that will work through. But feel good

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Speaker 5: about our group.

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Speaker 14: Okay, thank you, Kevin.

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Speaker 15: What are the challenges for your offensive line when Gabriel

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Speaker 15: and Shador have such different styles?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? I think for all players, Jeff, it's just important

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Speaker 5: that you focus on your job and our guys know

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Speaker 5: what our roles are and that there are. Of course,

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Speaker 5: there's different styles to quarterbacks, there's different styles to runners.

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Speaker 5: You know how the running back you're starting running back

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Speaker 5: may running plays a little bit different than the backup

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Speaker 5: running back. But that's all part of it. And I

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Speaker 5: think the big focus there, Jeff, is just that everybody

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Speaker 5: does their their job on any given play.

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Speaker 15: But I mean it seems to me in the way

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Speaker 15: that their styles are so contrasted, it has to really

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Speaker 15: be more difficult or I got but different for your line.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the general principles, the rules, you know, how we

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Speaker 5: structure the protection is regardless of the quarterback.

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Speaker 14: You thank you, Kevin.

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Speaker 16: I know why it said post game yesterday that it

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Speaker 16: took them a good couple of minutes to get used

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Speaker 16: to Shador's cadence and everything. Just what do you think

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Speaker 16: of the offensive lines performing second half and just everybody

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Speaker 16: trying to adjust on the fly.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I thought, listen, we can be better in a

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Speaker 5: bunch of different areas. Obviously, those are things that we

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Speaker 5: will continue to improve, but that's that's all. Part of

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Speaker 5: playing this game is making sure that when guys come

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Speaker 5: in and out of a lineup that you don't miss beat.

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Speaker 17: Kevin, if I could follow up on Deshaun real quick,

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Speaker 17: when's the deadline for you guys to make a decision

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Speaker 17: about him on that reserve pup, whether or not you

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Speaker 17: will open that twenty one day window.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't. I don't know the answer to that, Darryl.

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Speaker 5: I know he's doing a great job in meetings supporting

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Speaker 5: the guys.

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Speaker 17: And then just on Shador when you when when you

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Speaker 17: watch that yesterday, obviously that's a tough spot for him

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Speaker 17: to come in. We you know, talked about the lack

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Speaker 17: of first team reps and whatnot. Just what did you

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Speaker 17: see from him? You know when you went back and

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Speaker 17: watched the film this morning, and you know how much

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Speaker 17: of that do you think, you know, positive or negative?

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Speaker 17: You know, can he take you know a step forward

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Speaker 17: by now getting some practice time?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's all positive. You're constantly learning as

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Speaker 5: a young football player, constantly learning as a quarterback through

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Speaker 5: through all reps. You know, we talked so much about

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Speaker 5: mental reps and those type of things, how important they are,

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Speaker 5: so all those physical reps I think add up and

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Speaker 5: will only improve as he continues to get turns.

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Speaker 18: And I know a lot of teams structure kind of

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Speaker 18: how they give their reps away their backups. Kind of Similarly,

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Speaker 18: when you look at that situation and knowing that Shador

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Speaker 18: didn't get those first team reps, would you have changed

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Speaker 18: anything about the approach about how you maybe divided up

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Speaker 18: the first team reps from training camp to now.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I understand the question. Cam. I think it's important

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Speaker 5: that you do what you think is right for a

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Speaker 5: football team. The development of our players is constant. It

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Speaker 5: doesn't happen just in one drill or in one practice

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Speaker 5: or one meeting. So we trust our guys, We trust

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Speaker 5: our backup players to be ready to go. And Shad

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Speaker 5: Door is ready to go. Obviously. I know he wants

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Speaker 5: to play better, I want to coach better, all those

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Speaker 5: type of things. But that just comes. That'll come through work.

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Speaker 5: That's where it will come.

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Speaker 18: And then on the other side of the ball, Devin

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Speaker 18: Bush said yesterday that you know they want to do more,

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Speaker 18: specifically for Miles Garrett in a game that he has

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Speaker 18: four sacks five tackles for loss, they want to do

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Speaker 18: more not only to help push him, but to get him.

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Speaker 18: I know it's not just Miles, but is that kind

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Speaker 18: of a shared mindset and the team of not wanting

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Speaker 18: to waste big performances, so to say, by not getting

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Speaker 18: the win.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we're so focused on one thing, Cam and one

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Speaker 5: thing only, and that's winning, and that's winning as a team.

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Speaker 5: And when you come up short, it's hard to really

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Speaker 5: think about anything else about it about a given game.

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Speaker 14: Thank Kevin.

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Speaker 19: I got just a couple of questions about tackles position.

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Speaker 19: Obviously you say it's day to day with Jack and Cam,

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Speaker 19: But would the plan be Tevin and Kat likely to

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Speaker 19: start at those spots?

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Speaker 14: What would be kind of the.

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Speaker 4: What is the kind of contingency plan there?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we have options, Chris. We have to work through

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Speaker 5: all those things this week. Obviously the availability of Jack

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Speaker 5: and Cam will determine that. But KT went in there

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Speaker 5: when we had an injury yesterday. Tevin went in there

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Speaker 5: when we had an injury yesterday. So those are certainly

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Speaker 5: options if that's the case.

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Speaker 4: And then this is like the third straight year where

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Speaker 4: you've just had all sorts of injuries at that specific position,

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Speaker 4: both tackle spots. Have you ever seen anything quite like

874
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Speaker 4: that in your time in the league.

875
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Speaker 5: Can't remember. I don't know, But again, I think it

876
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 5: goes back to injuries are a very, very unfortunate part

877
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Speaker 5: of this foot of this game of football, and we

878
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:26,240
Speaker 5: have guys that are backups and we trust them.

879
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Speaker 14: Thanks.

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Speaker 20: Hey, Kevin, I wanted to ask you if you could

881
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Speaker 20: just explain some of the different nuances and challenges I

882
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Speaker 20: know you have in the past of you know, splitting

883
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Speaker 20: up reps with a rookie starting quarterback and a rookie

884
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Speaker 20: backup quarterback, and the different challenges that that kind of presents.

885
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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, obviously reps themselves are different, both in

886
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 5: the off season and in the regular season. We've always

887
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 5: structured it with making sure we're getting all of our

888
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Speaker 5: guys ready to play. You know, I think our players,

889
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 5: starters and backups do a great job of maximizing all

890
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 5: of their opportunities, whether it comes again in a given rep,

891
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Speaker 5: or it comes in a meeting, whatever it may be.

892
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Speaker 10: Yeah, A couple of questions here real quick for you, Kevin.

893
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Speaker 10: First of all, when you said after the game that

894
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Speaker 10: Dylan will you know, would start if he cleared the

895
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Speaker 10: concussion protocol, were you pretty much talking about the Raiders

896
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Speaker 10: game and will you take this kind of week to week?

897
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Speaker 10: I mean you didn't, is that correct?

898
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm just talking about the fact that he's in

899
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Speaker 5: the concussion protocol, so we'll obviously make sure that that

900
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Speaker 5: takes precedent here Mary kay, and make sure that he's

901
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Speaker 5: getting better by the day.

902
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Speaker 10: But what I'm what I mean by that is does

903
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Speaker 10: Shador have a chance to nail this thing and hang

904
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Speaker 10: on to the starting job if he goes out there

905
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Speaker 10: and performs well and then when Gabriel comes back, or

906
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Speaker 10: how is that going?

907
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Speaker 6: How is that?

908
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,399
Speaker 5: I'm not going to speculate on that type of thing.

909
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 5: I know this. We we trust our players. We trust

910
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Speaker 5: our guys to put in the work, and we're just

911
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 5: gonna be solely focused on this game that's in front

912
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Speaker 5: of us.

913
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Speaker 10: Okay, And then you've been around a lot of offensive

914
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 10: football throughout your whole entire career. Just so people have

915
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Speaker 10: an understanding about how those first team reps work in practice,

916
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Speaker 10: Like all those years that you were in Minnesota, was

917
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 10: it ever customary to give QB two any of those

918
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 10: first team reps in practice?

919
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:36,879
Speaker 5: Yeah? And I understand the question. No, the starter gets

920
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 5: the vast majority, obviously, if not the entire majority. I

921
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 5: will say this, we trust our players. Shrador is putting

922
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 5: in great work, and you know on the field in

923
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Speaker 5: the meeting room, he will be better with all with

924
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Speaker 5: reps that he's getting, like any player would be better.

925
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Speaker 5: But we trust him. Uh and he's somebody that's that's

926
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Speaker 5: continued to put the work and will continue to do so.

927
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Speaker 4: Okay, thank you, Kevin.

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Speaker 13: You last night, Miles mentioned that Shador sort of tried

929
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Speaker 13: to shoulder the blame for the loss sort of in

930
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Speaker 13: front of the team in the locker room. Just what

931
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Speaker 13: was your message to him in that moment? Miles kind

932
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Speaker 13: of said, you know, he wasn't going to let him

933
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Speaker 13: do that, But what was your message shorted to him?

934
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Speaker 5: Yeah, obviously I'll keep you know, those type of messages

935
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Speaker 5: between us. But this game has never been about one

936
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 5: player or one you know, one play in a game.

937
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 5: It'll always be a you know, a team effort in

938
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Speaker 5: all areas.

939
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Speaker 13: And then the Ravens have used that sort of Mark

940
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 13: Andrews wildcat push push play before. I think they actually

941
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Speaker 13: just used it last week against the Vikings, a different

942
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Speaker 13: version of a different playoff of it. But how much

943
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,919
Speaker 13: was that something you guys you know, prepared for kind

944
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Speaker 13: of thought could be part of the game plan for them,

945
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Speaker 13: And how much was them doing that version of it,

946
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 13: just you know, them running the right play at the

947
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Speaker 13: right time.

948
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean you got to tip your cap to them.

949
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 5: Obviously it was a well designed play. There are things

950
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Speaker 5: that we can do differently on that play, and they

951
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 5: had shown different things off of that, not exactly that play.

952
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 5: So uh, it's a you know, you hope that they

953
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 5: get they might get the first but you get him

954
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Speaker 5: down for you know, a gain or whatever it might be.

955
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Speaker 5: But well executed by then.

956
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Speaker 11: And Kevin, you guys able to identify when Dylan suffered

957
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Speaker 11: the concussion.

958
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know that we know for sure when

959
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:26,319
Speaker 5: it was, but I obviously the hit on the play

960
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 5: they kept the ball to the left side is likely

961
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Speaker 5: where it happened. Thank you.

962
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Speaker 12: Yeah, Kevin, I wanted to go back to really like

963
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 12: the Blitzero cover zero looks at the Ravens for shown,

964
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 12: because you know, they dropped out of a lot of

965
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 12: those looks and they would bring like a dB especially

966
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Speaker 12: in the second half. What as you know, what as

967
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Speaker 12: an offense, can you guys do better to execute against

968
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Speaker 12: that because I know a lot of times it was

969
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Speaker 12: a lot of longer developing passes that were kind of

970
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 12: like crossing over into the zones. Like when you look

971
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 12: back to the film, do you think that maybe you could,

972
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 12: you know, throw a couple of screens, just get the

973
00:47:57,640 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 12: ball out quickly and get the ball in space.

974
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Speaker 5: Yeah. Well, always look at things that we can do better.

975
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Speaker 5: Obviously we have to have a better protection just overall

976
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 5: on a bunch of a bunch of areas of that game.

977
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Speaker 5: But we'll look at everything.

978
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Speaker 16: Kevin, just your time here in Cleveland, just getting to

979
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 16: know Bernie and everything, how much have you come to

980
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 16: kind of appreciate him trying to battle through his health

981
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Speaker 16: struggles and kind of coming out on the other side.

982
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, Bernie is my guy. I know that

983
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 5: this town has such a special relationship with Bernie from

984
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 5: his playing days and then the impact that he's had

985
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Speaker 5: on this community over the course of all these years.

986
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Speaker 5: You know, I didn't have that experience with Bernie prior

987
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,359
Speaker 5: to coming here, but since I've been here, he has

988
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 5: just been such a supportive person of me, so kind

989
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 5: to my family. I think he sees my family every

990
00:48:56,000 --> 00:49:00,439
Speaker 5: game day and just is so good to them. He's

991
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 5: a special, special person. He's a special Cleveland Brown and

992
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 5: we are all rooting for him, and we are all

993
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 5: right there with him right now. Thank you guys.

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Speaker 3: All right, great stuff from coach there from earlier today.

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Speaker 2: the game call of the game. It's Devin Bush.

1017
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 3: Let's have a.

1018
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 9: Listen, a hey, likely the tight end motions left to right,

1019
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 9: Jackson from under center, play fake back to throw looking

1020
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 9: over the middle. Pressure sacked again Miles Garrett, Buddy slam.

1021
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Speaker 5: He's got two.

1022
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 3: Lucky number thirteen for Miles Garrett. And how about this?

1023
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 3: They come out heavy. The Browns only have one corner

1024
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 3: on the field. They're trying to take a shot down

1025
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 3: the field Asay flowers. Miles Garrett says, so fast, right

1026
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 3: through Roger Rosengarden for his second sack of the day.

1027
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 9: Remember they exchanged jerseys last year. Rosengarten said, hey, would

1028
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 9: you sign my jersey? I but nobody, He said, you're somebody,

1029
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 9: you're playing to the NFL. He treated him like a nobody.

1030
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 9: That was just a little right hand.

1031
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 3: Gosh that took Rosen Garden, who's a three hundred and

1032
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:20,240
Speaker 3: fifteen pounder to the ground like a child.

1033
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 9: Wow, a loss of eight back to the twenty. It's

1034
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 9: gonna be second. In eighteen, Jackson shotgun with Mitchell to

1035
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 9: his right back to throw. Here comes Delpit.

1036
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:30,799
Speaker 3: They said it the screen fall over there, it's picked off.

1037
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:34,240
Speaker 9: Devin Bush far sideline cuts inside the ten, he's.

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00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 5: At the five.

1039
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 3: He's in.

1040
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 5: A pick six.

1041
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 3: Devon Bush.

1042
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 5: And the Browns take the leaeve.

1043
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 3: Devin Bush right there said I'm gonna do it myself.

1044
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 3: We're not gonna get the offense out there. He would

1045
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 3: not be denied for Devin Bush. Did you believe it?

1046
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 3: His first interception since his rookie season in two thousand

1047
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:03,359
Speaker 3: and nine, his first NFL touchdown, And if you want

1048
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 3: to beat a team like the Baltimore Ravens, those are

1049
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:07,840
Speaker 3: the plays you need. Browns now plus two in the

1050
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 3: turnover battle right off the hands of Mitchell again, he's

1051
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 3: in there because of no Justice Hill. That's their pass

1052
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:16,879
Speaker 3: catching back and the Browns capitalize. Devin Bush way to go.

1053
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 3: That's awesome. That was awesome. That is really I like

1054
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:22,399
Speaker 3: how you did that? Give me? That was very good.

1055
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 3: Good breaking that up. There you go, good job, give

1056
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:25,359
Speaker 3: it there you go.

1057
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 2: No, we talked about this off the top like this

1058
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:34,280
Speaker 2: with this defense is doing what they did on Sunday

1059
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 2: is stupefying to when was the last time that Baltimore

1060
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:42,359
Speaker 2: got that done to him? Ten tackles for loss, ten,

1061
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Speaker 2: five sacks, five, two interceptions and a pick six.

1062
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and ye had I mean three takeaway special teams

1063
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 3: get one as well. But yeah, you're talking about a

1064
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 3: defense five sacks, two takeaways, a touchdown, ten plays behind

1065
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:57,439
Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage and you lose.

1066
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Speaker 5: Go.

1067
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Speaker 3: We had six sacks and two take ways in the

1068
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Speaker 3: game against New England, Yeah and lost. I mean, these

1069
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 3: are normally guarantees of victory and unfortunately for the Browns

1070
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:12,359
Speaker 3: it just has not been the case. And it goes

1071
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 3: back to the offense has been the problem so far

1072
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 3: this year.

1073
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's I think it's Look, this is their job.

1074
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 2: You're a pro, go handle your business, regardless of if

1075
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 2: you're getting the result that you want. At the end,

1076
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 2: you're being compensated richly to go play at a high

1077
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Speaker 2: level and be a professional.

1078
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Speaker 3: And they've done that.

1079
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Speaker 2: They're doing that every single week and not getting the

1080
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Speaker 2: results on the on the in the win loss column,

1081
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 2: and it's it's been incredible to watch. And it's Miles,

1082
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 2: it's Carson, it's it's so many guys.

1083
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Speaker 3: Devin Bush is having a great year. I don't know

1084
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Speaker 3: that anybody saw that coming with Dev So I think

1085
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:54,280
Speaker 3: that if if if there was anybody that saw it coming,

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Speaker 3: for sure, I think it. I think it was two people,

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Speaker 3: Jason Tarbor and Devin Bush himself, because year his first

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Speaker 3: year in this system, and it was really his first

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Speaker 3: year being in a system like this at any point

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Speaker 3: in his career. Yeah, it was a former first round pick.

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Speaker 3: I remember when the Steelers traded up to take him

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Speaker 3: tenth overall and it was like, no, yeah, and he

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Speaker 3: has a great rookie year out there. That's the last

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Speaker 3: time he had had an interception was in that year.

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Speaker 3: In fact, that was his first interception. He had never

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Speaker 3: had a pick six. I said first touchdown was his

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Speaker 3: first pick six of his career. He had scored a

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Speaker 3: fumble recovery touchdown that rookie year. That year, he is

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Speaker 3: one hundred and nine tackles. He's got two picks, a

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Speaker 3: force fumble, four passes, defense, nine tackles for a loss

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Speaker 3: and you're like, Okay, this guy's going to be a star.

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Speaker 3: And then he gets hurt against us in twenty twenty

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Speaker 3: in game number five that year, tears his acl and

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Speaker 3: just never quite the same. But you saw signs last

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Speaker 3: year when he got pressed into duty, seventy six tackles.

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Speaker 3: He had eight tackles for lost, second highest number of

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Speaker 3: his career. He's on pace two better than that this

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Speaker 3: year already sixty six tackles, has the pick, has a

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Speaker 3: fumble recovery, five passes defense. He's really become force fumble.

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Speaker 3: He's become a true three down linebacker and he's been excellent.

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Speaker 3: And so I was thrilled. I knew he wanted to

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Speaker 3: come back, and I was thrilled the Browns made it happen.

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Speaker 3: And he's somebody that you know you're thinking about guys

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00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:06,439
Speaker 3: in season extensions. Devin Bush is somebody that probably needs

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Speaker 3: an in season extension here from the Cleveland Browns. You

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Speaker 3: do not want him hitting free agency. He likes it here.

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Speaker 3: He's found a home here and hopefully that can continue.

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Speaker 3: But to think about a linebacker room that in your

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00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 3: nickel package was supposed to be j Oka and Jordan Hicks. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and instead it's Devin Bush and Carson Schwestern and that

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Speaker 3: that room has been consistently and listen, the defensive line

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Speaker 3: would be the one. But in terms of expectation versus reality,

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Speaker 3: you know, you had to have kind of not no expectations,

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Speaker 3: but you should couldn't have been sure. We're talking about

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Speaker 3: a rookie we'd never seen again, started one year at UCLA.

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Speaker 3: He's playing like an All pro and Devin Bush is

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Speaker 3: playing great beside him. Absolutely, there's no doubt.

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Speaker 2: dot com. A little bit of breaking news in the

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Speaker 2: college football world. It appears from a Penn State head coach,

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Speaker 2: James Franklin is going to be the next head coach at.

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00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 3: Virginia Tech at college football. Nate's been on that and

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00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 3: on a couple of weeks here. Yeah, makes a lot

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Speaker 3: of sense. They're bringing in some boosters who are apparently

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Speaker 3: willing to spend big money to try to get that

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Speaker 3: program back. And they thought James Franklin.

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Speaker 7: Was a knife two hundred and twenty nine million to

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Speaker 7: be exact. They've committed over the next four years.

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Speaker 3: Is that really? Is that in the report?

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Speaker 8: Four athletics, Well, that make the position more attractive.

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Speaker 2: So that's a ESPN story going to win. That's the

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Speaker 2: Virginia I'm sorry. The Texas Tech just did that. They

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00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 2: put fifty million into their football team and they're going

1160
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 2: to be in the playoff and are quite good. He's

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00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 2: used to recruiting that area too. That's the same same

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00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 2: place as Penn State that you're recruiting to. It's an

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00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:45,440
Speaker 2: outpost like Penn State too, very similar jobs. Penn State's

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00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 2: got way more history and tradition and all of that,

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Speaker 2: but they've got some nice stuff too, So I like it.

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Speaker 3: I like it for him, Mike for the too. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Mike and Marcus both. Yeah, yep. All right, we got

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Speaker 3: a Monday.

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Speaker 7: Night or Monday Night or here, let's get right down

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Speaker 7: to it. A team we will see on sudden be

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00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 7: in Las Vegas, the Raiders hosting the Dallas Cowboys. Raiders

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00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 7: have lost three in a row. They're two and seven.

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00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 7: Cowboys have lost two in a row. They are three,

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Speaker 7: five and one.

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Speaker 3: Zagora, So we're both in a good spot here house money,

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Speaker 3: where you have winning weeks secured. Although it was it

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00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 3: got bleak in the middle of the day, did we

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00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 3: rallied pretty well? I just don't see a reason why

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00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 3: anybody would not be taking the Dallas Cowboys in this game,

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Speaker 3: So I am going to the Raiders. I think the

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Speaker 3: Cowboys win thirty twenty seven.

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Speaker 2: The you know, it's funny how much in college and

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00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 2: pro that hook?

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Speaker 3: Oh, it's been right there, right quite good, turns out

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Speaker 3: very very good.

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Speaker 2: Just for the sake of being different, I'll go Cowboys

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Speaker 2: and just barely. It should be a fun game though.

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Speaker 2: I'm kind of looking forward to seeing it Cowboys twenty

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Speaker 2: four to twenty. But I think it's going to be

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Speaker 2: right on it, going to be right on it. I

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Speaker 2: It goes into the record book twenty three to sixteen,

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Speaker 2: but it was far more than that. I mean, this

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Speaker 2: one kind of had everything off. There's so many ways

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00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 2: to start here, but I think one of the overarching

1208
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 2: themes this season has been the two rookie quarterbacks. Dylan

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Speaker 2: unfortunately goes down with the concussion, and so you get

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Speaker 2: a half of Shadoor Sanders.

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Speaker 3: What did you make of the debut?

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Speaker 2: What did you make of what he did positively and

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Speaker 2: negatively in his half?

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Speaker 14: Well, I think I'll start with the negative.

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Speaker 6: I think he saw a lot of the same mistakes

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Speaker 6: that we saw in preseason, right, and some of the

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Speaker 6: same mistakes that he was making in.

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Speaker 14: College, which was one of the big knocks on him. Right.

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Speaker 6: He takes a lot of sacks, He's not exactly sure

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Speaker 6: where to go with the football quickly, and he always

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Speaker 6: has a tendency to drift back in the pocket, and

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Speaker 6: you saw that a bunch and it had been at times.

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Speaker 6: There was a couple of big sacks that he took

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Speaker 6: that were for a lot of lost yardage. He made

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Speaker 6: things a little bit tough on the offensive line of times,

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Speaker 6: with how deep he was drifting in the pocket, how

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Speaker 6: long he was hanging out of the football. I think

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Speaker 6: we could have done a little bit better job helping

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Speaker 6: him out sometimes, because once he got in the game,

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Speaker 6: the Ravens were just flitzing him relentlessly with double a

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Speaker 6: gap blitzes, with twisters, with different variations of the kind

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Speaker 6: of the same concept where they were trying to get

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Speaker 6: an extra man free because they figured that, hey, he's

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Speaker 6: not exactly sure where the ball is going, so as

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Speaker 6: long as we can get somebody free, we're gonna be

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Speaker 6: able to get him home and make a big play.

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Speaker 14: Now, he made some nice throws.

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Speaker 6: So I'll go to the positive, I thought, even though

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Speaker 6: he was in a situation where that's not how you

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Speaker 6: want your rookie quarterback to get his first playing time,

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Speaker 6: his first meaningful snaps of his NFL career, where he

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Speaker 6: doesn't have a chance during the week to be the

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Speaker 6: guy that the game plan is built around. He's not

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Speaker 6: the guy that got the first team reps during the week,

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Speaker 6: and so it's a difficult situation to be able to

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Speaker 6: jump into. But unfortunately, the life of a backup quarterback

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Speaker 6: says that sometimes you got to jump in when you

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Speaker 6: don't have those reps, when you don't have the game

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Speaker 6: plan that's built for you. But I thought he did

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Speaker 6: a nice job just not.

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Speaker 14: Letting the moment be too big for him.

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Speaker 6: Even though he was making a lot of the same

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Speaker 6: mistakes that he made in preseason that we saw and

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Speaker 6: then in college, you still saw a calmness, a coolness,

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Speaker 6: a leadership presence in him. And I think that's always

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Speaker 6: been one of his greatest traits is he rises.

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Speaker 14: To the moment.

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Speaker 6: He never lets things get too big, he never gets flustered,

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Speaker 6: and so I think you definitely have some things to

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Speaker 6: build on there. And I think from Browns fans perspective,

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Speaker 6: this season by and large was about do we have

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Speaker 6: a quarterback on our roster for this year and next year?

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Speaker 14: And we'd seen a lot of Dylan Gabriel.

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Speaker 6: I think for the most part, the returns were good,

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Speaker 6: but you saw that ceiling which caused him to be

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Speaker 6: a third round pick, and you kind of were thinking, well,

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Speaker 6: maybe he might be better suited long term as our

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Speaker 6: backup quarterback, and we're not exactly sure that he's going

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Speaker 6: to be the starter so let's get a chance to

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Speaker 6: look at Shudraah Sanders, and we got that opportunity.

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Speaker 14: He hung in there.

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Speaker 6: Tough stats were not great four of sixteen forty seven yards,

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Speaker 6: a pick in two sacks, But I think just the

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Speaker 6: resiliency that he showed and the leadership, and I think

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Speaker 6: not letting himself get flustered gives you a little bit

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Speaker 6: of hope that when he does get his next opportunity,

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Speaker 6: he's going to be better. He's going to continue to

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Speaker 6: make strides, and at some point we're going to be

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Speaker 6: able to have him in a system with the first

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Speaker 6: team reps and a game plan that is built specifically

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Speaker 6: for him, that he feels comfortable running those plays where

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Speaker 6: he's going to feel good seeing the defense, and then

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Speaker 6: he's gonna be able to.

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Speaker 14: Allow that arm talent to show. And then we get

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Speaker 14: a real.

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Speaker 6: Realistic opportunity to see, hey, is this guy going to

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Speaker 6: be a starting quarterback in the NFL for the Cleveland Browns?

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Speaker 3: All right, if you are, we can read stuff from

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Speaker 3: other quarterbacks around the league, other backups, but you are

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Speaker 3: on this program the authority uniquely positioned to answer the

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Speaker 3: following questions in your time in the NFL. How many

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Speaker 3: first team reps did a third or a fourth string

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Speaker 3: quarterback get during OTA's or training camp?

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Speaker 10: Uh?

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Speaker 14: OTAs in training camp?

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Speaker 6: Eh So, let's say thirty is your average number of

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Speaker 6: team plays that you're going to get in a practice, right,

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01:03:56,640 --> 01:04:00,640
Speaker 6: it's somewhere around there, you know, that's where all are

1299
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 6: out there that discounts and excludes, like you're seven on

1300
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:07,880
Speaker 6: seven some of your like past scaley type stuff.

1301
01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:11,560
Speaker 14: Your backups might get one rep.

1302
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:14,000
Speaker 6: Per period and usually a period six to eight plays,

1303
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:18,480
Speaker 6: so maybe three or four reps per practice maybe, and

1304
01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 6: that that usually will go up if you've got a

1305
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:23,920
Speaker 6: guy that's been your starter for ten years and doesn't

1306
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:25,840
Speaker 6: need all those reps, and you want to give the

1307
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:28,800
Speaker 6: backup guy a little bit more opportunity to work on

1308
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:33,560
Speaker 6: his play and his reading the defense and you know,

1309
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:35,680
Speaker 6: connections with the receivers.

1310
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:37,000
Speaker 14: But really, more than anything.

1311
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:38,920
Speaker 6: You're just giving your starter or break, you know, giving

1312
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:40,520
Speaker 6: that arm and giving that noodle a little time to

1313
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:43,680
Speaker 6: rest in the off season. But if it's a but

1314
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:46,680
Speaker 6: a third younger starter, you're probably not going to give

1315
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:48,240
Speaker 6: the backup hardly anything.

1316
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:52,920
Speaker 14: In the third string, they're not getting any first team reps.

1317
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:56,280
Speaker 3: Right, so he was the fourth string when he was drafted.

1318
01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:58,320
Speaker 3: That's right in essence. Today you have an injury to

1319
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:00,080
Speaker 3: Kenny Pickett, so that put him at third string. So

1320
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:01,960
Speaker 3: I think that people are acting like it's insane that

1321
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:04,560
Speaker 3: he got no first team reps in training camp. But

1322
01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:07,040
Speaker 3: as the hoff would tell you, that is they would

1323
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 3: not get that. And then in season people are ringing

1324
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:11,160
Speaker 3: a big gill. Oh, well, Dylan Gabriel got some first

1325
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:12,760
Speaker 3: team russ when Joe Flacco is here and half just

1326
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:15,160
Speaker 3: laid out, Well, yeah, Joe Flack has be only eighteen years,

1327
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:17,520
Speaker 3: but now you have a rookie getting ready, so it's

1328
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:21,200
Speaker 3: not a surprise. You played with I mean, more quarterbacks

1329
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:23,360
Speaker 3: probably than you can count. I'm sure though in your

1330
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:26,080
Speaker 3: your big brain you can itemize it. I would imagine

1331
01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 3: there are many times guys came in the huddle and

1332
01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:29,959
Speaker 3: that was the first time that you had ever heard

1333
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:33,000
Speaker 3: their cadence or ever were on the field with that

1334
01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:33,720
Speaker 3: particular person.

1335
01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:35,400
Speaker 6: As a matter of fact, I had a time when

1336
01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:37,600
Speaker 6: somebody came into the huddle and I didn't know his name,

1337
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:40,680
Speaker 6: and we were on the road against Hetford in the

1338
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:45,120
Speaker 6: fourth quarter, and Josh Johnson trotted onto the field because

1339
01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:47,520
Speaker 6: of an injury to Thad Lewis, and I had no

1340
01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:48,560
Speaker 6: idea who this guy was.

1341
01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:50,600
Speaker 14: I knew he wasn't bad Lewis, but I didn't know

1342
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:50,880
Speaker 14: what his.

1343
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:57,120
Speaker 21: Name was, so I I knew so by process of elimination,

1344
01:05:57,400 --> 01:05:59,600
Speaker 21: I knew that I needed to introduce myself and figure

1345
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:01,280
Speaker 21: out who this guy's name was so I could black

1346
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:02,080
Speaker 21: form properly.

1347
01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:04,280
Speaker 14: But I mean, that's just how it goes in the NFL.

1348
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 6: You just get so few reps during a week of practice,

1349
01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:12,480
Speaker 6: like if you include Wednesday practice, Thursday practice, Friday, which

1350
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:14,600
Speaker 6: is kind of quick, but you get a lot more reps.

1351
01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:18,040
Speaker 6: And then Saturdays walkthrough, you're talking about maybe one hundred

1352
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:20,080
Speaker 6: plays and the starter is probably going to get all

1353
01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:22,680
Speaker 6: of them. Maybe we'll be out on a couple. But

1354
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:24,560
Speaker 6: what you got to understand is when you're going through

1355
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:26,320
Speaker 6: a week of practice and you're going through the game plan,

1356
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:28,200
Speaker 6: it's not like you're just repping the same thing a

1357
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:31,880
Speaker 6: bunch of times. You're repping probably each play maybe once,

1358
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:35,520
Speaker 6: and you're getting a defensive look one time and you

1359
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:36,280
Speaker 6: got to nail it.

1360
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:37,960
Speaker 14: And that's why you do a walk through in the morning,

1361
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:38,919
Speaker 14: so you get an.

1362
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:43,880
Speaker 6: Opportunity to go through everything for one time in fifty

1363
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:47,280
Speaker 6: percent speed, and then when you're going full speed, you

1364
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:49,360
Speaker 6: got to nail it because that's the only rep you get,

1365
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:51,400
Speaker 6: and so your starters get those reps just the way

1366
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:54,520
Speaker 6: it is, like the starting oh line just takes every rep. Now,

1367
01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:57,640
Speaker 6: maybe if your coach is feeling sorry for you and

1368
01:06:57,680 --> 01:07:01,440
Speaker 6: it's super hot, he'll like take your first backup, and

1369
01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:04,120
Speaker 6: he'll give everybody maybe one or two reps off during

1370
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:06,600
Speaker 6: the length of the practice. But for the most part

1371
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:11,040
Speaker 6: practice during the season, your starters take those those reps,

1372
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:12,640
Speaker 6: which is the way it is, and then the backups

1373
01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:13,200
Speaker 6: they run.

1374
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:15,600
Speaker 14: The scout team. You only have a certain number of guys.

1375
01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:21,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's a massive disconnect by people who

1376
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:26,120
Speaker 2: cover and talk about this league and what actually happens

1377
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:29,200
Speaker 2: in practices, like a very massive disconnect. And then the

1378
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:31,920
Speaker 2: other one I think is even more troubling because there

1379
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:35,120
Speaker 2: are a lot of former players, people who know better,

1380
01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:37,760
Speaker 2: who know better, who are who are saying stuff that

1381
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:42,520
Speaker 2: is predicated on clicks and videos going viral that it's

1382
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:45,360
Speaker 2: not honest in any way and they know better, like

1383
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:45,760
Speaker 2: they know.

1384
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:48,600
Speaker 3: Better, just to give kind of a pseudo apples to

1385
01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:52,840
Speaker 3: apples comparison, Yeah, would be. We drafted DTR in the

1386
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:57,560
Speaker 3: fifth round. Yeah, DTR was third string at best. After

1387
01:07:57,600 --> 01:07:59,600
Speaker 3: we drafted them, you got no first team reps. Josh

1388
01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:03,200
Speaker 3: Dobbs the backup. Yep, we end up trading Josh Dobbs

1389
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:05,800
Speaker 3: because he had had a nice preseason. He ends up

1390
01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:09,560
Speaker 3: going I think, to Arizona, Arizona. I want to say,

1391
01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:13,400
Speaker 3: yeah with Arizona with his yeahre out there. Yeah, Petsing

1392
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:16,640
Speaker 3: was out there, and then he was the backup. And

1393
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:20,040
Speaker 3: then if you remember against Baltimore, DeShawn ends up being

1394
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:23,559
Speaker 3: like a scratch on Sunday, he ends up DTR starts

1395
01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:25,240
Speaker 3: the game. He had gotten no reps. But it was

1396
01:08:25,280 --> 01:08:29,560
Speaker 3: not There was not an outrage, It was not a conspiracy,

1397
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:31,479
Speaker 3: was an outcry of fact. There was really no discussion

1398
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:35,400
Speaker 3: of it whatsoever because he was a fifth round rookie

1399
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:38,000
Speaker 3: who was a third stringer and then now it was

1400
01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:40,599
Speaker 3: the backup into the season. But of course he wasn't

1401
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:42,559
Speaker 3: getting reps. He was. His reps were running the scout

1402
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:45,800
Speaker 3: team and getting mental reps during walkthroughs and and when

1403
01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:47,960
Speaker 3: he had an opportunity to observe those things. So yes,

1404
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:50,800
Speaker 3: there is a media and I'm I'm glad you talked.

1405
01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:52,920
Speaker 3: I mean, a lot of X quarterbacks or Lavsky was

1406
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 3: on Get up this morning and try to like lay

1407
01:08:55,280 --> 01:08:57,599
Speaker 3: out the reality of the situation, and they were having

1408
01:08:57,720 --> 01:09:00,439
Speaker 3: none of it. Yeah, because it's not good. It's not

1409
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:04,000
Speaker 3: They're like no, no oh. But Dan, you were an

1410
01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:06,080
Speaker 3: experienced backup and he tried to be like, well, I

1411
01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:10,200
Speaker 3: wasn't what yeah, and they were just like no, no,

1412
01:09:10,280 --> 01:09:13,400
Speaker 3: something and then something, it's a conspiracy. Something's wrong here.

1413
01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:15,920
Speaker 3: It isn't. Now what do I want to see Schador

1414
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:18,720
Speaker 3: Sanders get a full week of practice with a game

1415
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:22,120
Speaker 3: plan tailored to him to give him an opportunity. Absolutely,

1416
01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:23,720
Speaker 3: I would love to see that, because I think we

1417
01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:26,519
Speaker 3: did see some positive things. To your point of willingness

1418
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:28,600
Speaker 3: to push the ball down the field, I made a

1419
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:31,439
Speaker 3: great play to get away from a free runner. That's

1420
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:34,519
Speaker 3: when Isaiah Bond right that he that's when he normally

1421
01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:36,200
Speaker 3: he hits that throw and then all of a sudden

1422
01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:38,599
Speaker 3: it's bedlam here. Yeah, for sure. Great throat to gauge

1423
01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:41,599
Speaker 3: Larvadan better played by Chidobi, a woozier who just happened

1424
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:42,920
Speaker 3: to have his left hand right where it needed to

1425
01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:45,120
Speaker 3: be and was able to try that ball out, and

1426
01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:46,640
Speaker 3: I thought it was smart they put Gauge out there

1427
01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:48,400
Speaker 3: on the last drive, somebody he had had success with

1428
01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:51,360
Speaker 3: his the preseason to give him that opportunity. But we

1429
01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:53,840
Speaker 3: did see some good things. Other things needed to be

1430
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:55,920
Speaker 3: cleaned up. I was on the broadcast off and I

1431
01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:58,240
Speaker 3: may be again I've tried to glomb as much as

1432
01:09:58,240 --> 01:09:59,760
Speaker 3: I can from you and a lot of people, a

1433
01:09:59,720 --> 01:10:02,720
Speaker 3: lots me about football, But I thought when they were

1434
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:05,479
Speaker 3: just relentlessly blitzing him on one of those third downs,

1435
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:07,559
Speaker 3: we had to run a screen, I would just want

1436
01:10:07,600 --> 01:10:10,280
Speaker 3: it just on one of them, because at some point

1437
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:14,679
Speaker 3: I think they blitzed them. It was something like six

1438
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:17,479
Speaker 3: third downs in a row, so at some point you

1439
01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:18,800
Speaker 3: got to try to keep y. So we tried to

1440
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:20,880
Speaker 3: screen on first down and unfortunately missed the block. It

1441
01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:23,479
Speaker 3: got blown up. But I thought maybe in that how

1442
01:10:23,479 --> 01:10:25,840
Speaker 3: do you combat that when a team is just relentlessly

1443
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:27,640
Speaker 3: blitzing you? And the two things I thought of were

1444
01:10:27,640 --> 01:10:31,000
Speaker 3: a screen or a draw, but unfortunately we're not able

1445
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:31,280
Speaker 3: to get that.

1446
01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:34,439
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think in hindsight they're looking back saying, ah, man,

1447
01:10:34,479 --> 01:10:37,760
Speaker 6: I think on one of these third downs. After you realize, okay,

1448
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:39,519
Speaker 6: they're just gonna blitz them to death. Like they're not

1449
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:42,200
Speaker 6: gonna stop blitzing, you may want to try to set

1450
01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:44,160
Speaker 6: up a screen. What they did a couple of times

1451
01:10:44,479 --> 01:10:47,840
Speaker 6: is they tried to make a max protection where they turned.

1452
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:48,320
Speaker 14: The entire line.

1453
01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:50,600
Speaker 6: They put tight end and a running back off the

1454
01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:54,000
Speaker 6: backside edge because what they were thinking, to your point shoulder,

1455
01:10:54,120 --> 01:10:56,040
Speaker 6: was doing a good job pushing the ball down the field.

1456
01:10:56,439 --> 01:10:56,599
Speaker 14: Right.

1457
01:10:56,760 --> 01:10:59,280
Speaker 6: Something that we haven't seen and that everybody's been calling

1458
01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:01,439
Speaker 6: for is like to throw the ball on the field. Yep,

1459
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:02,880
Speaker 6: you got the guy who's going to do it, and

1460
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:05,200
Speaker 6: he's trying to do it, and it's a perfect situation.

1461
01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:07,479
Speaker 6: If they think they're getting home with the blitz, the

1462
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:09,679
Speaker 6: coverage is going to be tighter. They're gonna be jumping

1463
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:11,960
Speaker 6: the short routes thinking that the ball's coming out quick,

1464
01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:13,639
Speaker 6: and you got an opportunity to make a big play

1465
01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:14,200
Speaker 6: on the field.

1466
01:11:14,240 --> 01:11:15,400
Speaker 14: So good thought on that.

1467
01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:18,200
Speaker 6: It didn't work out perfectly in that situation, but you

1468
01:11:18,200 --> 01:11:20,799
Speaker 6: can either try to max protect where you got seven

1469
01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:23,920
Speaker 6: protectors in and if they add an eighth blitzer, you're

1470
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:26,800
Speaker 6: hoping that because you're turning the line and you're kind

1471
01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:29,479
Speaker 6: of wadding everything up that one of the blitzers with

1472
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:31,639
Speaker 6: the loop and everything is going to run into somebody,

1473
01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:33,720
Speaker 6: so they're gonna be slowed down, they might fall. You

1474
01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:35,320
Speaker 6: might actually get a two for one where you got

1475
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:36,679
Speaker 6: two guys blocking three.

1476
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:38,760
Speaker 14: You get lucky in that situation.

1477
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:41,519
Speaker 6: Quite a bit. Happened a couple times. Once when we

1478
01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:44,680
Speaker 6: were actually playing the Saints. Kyle Shannan was our coordinator.

1479
01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:46,880
Speaker 6: We knew on third down it was Greg Williams with

1480
01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:49,120
Speaker 6: the Saints. We knew, hey, third down, when it's a

1481
01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:51,559
Speaker 6: gout Avid situation, what's this dude gonna do? All right,

1482
01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:53,720
Speaker 6: he's not sitting back in coverage. He's sent in the house.

1483
01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:55,160
Speaker 14: Right, it's going to be a zero blitz.

1484
01:11:55,400 --> 01:11:57,080
Speaker 6: And so we had that in our back pocket to

1485
01:11:57,120 --> 01:11:59,639
Speaker 6: be able to alert and change to a max protection

1486
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:01,960
Speaker 6: and then get a two man route. And it turns

1487
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:04,000
Speaker 6: out we actually won the game on that play because

1488
01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:07,040
Speaker 6: we saw it. We double cadenced them, they gave it away,

1489
01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:10,000
Speaker 6: we quickly alerted, we got the max protection. We got

1490
01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:11,720
Speaker 6: a two for one by their left tackle and not

1491
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:13,840
Speaker 6: for I can't remember what his name is, but we

1492
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:15,599
Speaker 6: were able to pick it up. We were going down

1493
01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:18,680
Speaker 6: the field with some longer routes and we converted, and

1494
01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:20,639
Speaker 6: so I thought that was a good thought to try

1495
01:12:20,680 --> 01:12:23,799
Speaker 6: to make it happen. Unfortunately, though, these guys haven't practiced

1496
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:25,759
Speaker 6: together long enough to be able to make it happen

1497
01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:26,960
Speaker 6: and make it seamless.

1498
01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:28,200
Speaker 14: And I think maybe in.

1499
01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:30,200
Speaker 6: That situation, you got to go, Okay, what's the easy

1500
01:12:30,240 --> 01:12:31,719
Speaker 6: button if they're blitzing us to death?

1501
01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:32,640
Speaker 14: Yeah, let's hit him with.

1502
01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:34,519
Speaker 6: The screen there on third down and one of these,

1503
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:38,040
Speaker 6: because it's clear that Shudor doesn't see the blitzes right,

1504
01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:41,719
Speaker 6: He's not understanding the structure of the blitz. Like half

1505
01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:44,240
Speaker 6: of an offensive lineman's life is sitting in a dark

1506
01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:46,599
Speaker 6: room as they throw a poop on you. That's why

1507
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:50,320
Speaker 6: we're mushrooms. But watching the blitz cut ups. You watch

1508
01:12:50,439 --> 01:12:53,960
Speaker 6: every structure of their blitzes the entire year, so you

1509
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:56,120
Speaker 6: can call out exactly the blitz that they're going to

1510
01:12:56,160 --> 01:12:58,640
Speaker 6: give you based on the look. And sometimes it is

1511
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:01,320
Speaker 6: how far the safeties are off the hash, what the

1512
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:04,839
Speaker 6: stances of the defensive end and the backside when he's dropping.

1513
01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:07,439
Speaker 6: Now you know, okay, this guy in the left hag

1514
01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:09,679
Speaker 6: gap is coming. The guy in the right a gap,

1515
01:13:09,800 --> 01:13:11,960
Speaker 6: he's dropping. He's going to be replaced by a looper.

1516
01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:14,160
Speaker 6: You know what they're doing by the structure and just

1517
01:13:14,160 --> 01:13:16,760
Speaker 6: from looking at that picture. But it takes hours and

1518
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:19,040
Speaker 6: hours and hours and years of experience to be able

1519
01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:21,080
Speaker 6: to just look at it and go yeah, being the

1520
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:23,400
Speaker 6: hot they were just giving him variations of that, and

1521
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:26,000
Speaker 6: you can tell he didn't really feel comfortable seeing it

1522
01:13:26,040 --> 01:13:27,800
Speaker 6: because he didn't know where those guys were coming from.

1523
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:30,439
Speaker 6: And then he's falling back into bad habit of Okay,

1524
01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:32,000
Speaker 6: if I don't really know what's happening, I'm just going

1525
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:34,439
Speaker 6: to keep backing up, hoping somebody gets open that I'm

1526
01:13:34,479 --> 01:13:35,120
Speaker 6: looking at.

1527
01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:36,719
Speaker 14: And I'm going to try to throw off my back foot.

1528
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:39,160
Speaker 6: And he's a talented thrower, but he's not good enough

1529
01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:41,400
Speaker 6: to be able to make that work. And then defensive

1530
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:43,080
Speaker 6: lines they figure it out and they go, Okay, instead

1531
01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:44,760
Speaker 6: of rushing to a spot at seven yards, I'm going

1532
01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:46,479
Speaker 6: to rush to a spot at twelve yards because that's

1533
01:13:46,479 --> 01:13:48,120
Speaker 6: where he's going to be after he starts backing up.

1534
01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:53,400
Speaker 2: If it is in fact, Shaudor this week and you

1535
01:13:53,439 --> 01:13:56,080
Speaker 2: called the preseason games, you saw him at his best

1536
01:13:56,120 --> 01:13:59,400
Speaker 2: and he was really good in Carolina. What would if

1537
01:13:59,400 --> 01:14:03,840
Speaker 2: your Tommy? What do you build offensively this week? What's

1538
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:07,160
Speaker 2: the identity? How do you have success with this offense

1539
01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:08,760
Speaker 2: this week if it issued or against the Raider?

1540
01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:10,120
Speaker 14: Yeah, well, I think the first thing you need to

1541
01:14:10,160 --> 01:14:11,120
Speaker 14: be ready for is the blitz.

1542
01:14:11,200 --> 01:14:11,320
Speaker 1: Right.

1543
01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:13,479
Speaker 14: Obviously that was what worked last week.

1544
01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:17,680
Speaker 6: He's not proven that he understands how to move the

1545
01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:20,519
Speaker 6: protections or get away from the guys that are hot,

1546
01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:22,120
Speaker 6: that are not going to be able to be blocked,

1547
01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:24,320
Speaker 6: and to throw to the right player. And so I

1548
01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:26,200
Speaker 6: think having an answer for the blitz. Right, So you

1549
01:14:26,200 --> 01:14:28,240
Speaker 6: want to have some screens like Zee was talking about.

1550
01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:29,680
Speaker 6: You want to be able to build in some of

1551
01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:31,680
Speaker 6: those max protections that you can always get to.

1552
01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:33,960
Speaker 14: Right. It's kind of like the easy button for a

1553
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:37,200
Speaker 14: young quarterback. You're like, all right, if you see a big.

1554
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:39,320
Speaker 6: Blitz and it looks like a Max S blitz and

1555
01:14:39,479 --> 01:14:42,960
Speaker 6: you're not exactly sure, Hey, you can always alert to

1556
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:46,400
Speaker 6: this protection and if they do Max blitz, you know

1557
01:14:46,479 --> 01:14:48,320
Speaker 6: you're picked up, you're covered. You can go back to

1558
01:14:48,360 --> 01:14:51,200
Speaker 6: your normal progression. If for some reason they drop out,

1559
01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:53,160
Speaker 6: then we need to be able to get our running

1560
01:14:53,200 --> 01:14:55,680
Speaker 6: back or our tight end into the flat as an emergency,

1561
01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:58,360
Speaker 6: and you need to just know that, hey, you're not

1562
01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:02,360
Speaker 6: going to have great protection all across board, or you

1563
01:15:02,479 --> 01:15:04,439
Speaker 6: only got two dudes who are running a route that

1564
01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:07,000
Speaker 6: is down the field and they're probably not going to

1565
01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:08,960
Speaker 6: be open because they're going to have a lot of

1566
01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:11,560
Speaker 6: coverage there where you normally would have some openings.

1567
01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:12,680
Speaker 14: So you may want to.

1568
01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:14,160
Speaker 6: Throw it away or try to dump it down to

1569
01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:16,439
Speaker 6: your back, let him try to get something. But then

1570
01:15:16,479 --> 01:15:18,280
Speaker 6: I think really what they want to try to feature

1571
01:15:18,360 --> 01:15:20,320
Speaker 6: is a lot of the play action stuff to push

1572
01:15:20,360 --> 01:15:22,519
Speaker 6: the ball down the field. You know, Shadur is a

1573
01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:24,439
Speaker 6: guy who does a good job thrown on the move.

1574
01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:27,040
Speaker 6: I think it does a really nice job throwing out

1575
01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:29,600
Speaker 6: of the boot, out of the half, roll out of

1576
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:32,000
Speaker 6: those concepts that will fit in with some of our

1577
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:33,760
Speaker 6: rushing concepts and give us.

1578
01:15:33,720 --> 01:15:35,200
Speaker 14: An opportunity to push the ball on the field.

1579
01:15:35,240 --> 01:15:38,040
Speaker 6: That's something that Dylan we've been crying for all season

1580
01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:40,400
Speaker 6: and we hadn't seen it. But maybe this is the

1581
01:15:40,439 --> 01:15:43,800
Speaker 6: thing that can separate Shador and give our offense a

1582
01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:46,439
Speaker 6: bit more of an advantage over what Dylan gives you,

1583
01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:48,679
Speaker 6: so that it opens up some of those easier things

1584
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:50,720
Speaker 6: underneath and it opens up some of your running game.

1585
01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:55,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, I definitely think there were things that you could

1586
01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:58,240
Speaker 3: build on that you saw there. I mean, you just

1587
01:15:58,439 --> 01:16:01,240
Speaker 3: score you know, box score watch does not look great

1588
01:16:01,320 --> 01:16:03,639
Speaker 3: for for sixteen. It's hard to get your head around.

1589
01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:06,640
Speaker 3: But it's gonna be very important now the Raiders, just

1590
01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:08,720
Speaker 3: I was kind of just quickly looking ahead. They're one

1591
01:16:08,720 --> 01:16:10,479
Speaker 3: of the top cover three teams in the league. They

1592
01:16:10,520 --> 01:16:14,000
Speaker 3: play that more than any three coverages combined other than that.

1593
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:15,760
Speaker 3: So you're gonna, you know, this is gonna be a

1594
01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:17,120
Speaker 3: team's gona play a lot of Cover three. So you're

1595
01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:18,600
Speaker 3: gonna put in a lot of cover three beaters for

1596
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:22,000
Speaker 3: him and try to give him right half like one reads.

1597
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:25,520
Speaker 3: We're gonna try to stress this player or this triangle

1598
01:16:25,560 --> 01:16:28,639
Speaker 3: of players on this play and base. If they react

1599
01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:30,599
Speaker 3: like this, the ball goes here. If they react like that,

1600
01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:32,760
Speaker 3: the ball goes there. Right, is any of that one

1601
01:16:32,760 --> 01:16:34,080
Speaker 3: of the ways you can try to simply give him

1602
01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:36,720
Speaker 3: a half feed read half field read. Then say we're

1603
01:16:36,760 --> 01:16:39,800
Speaker 3: gonna stress this group of defenders. Their reactions will tell

1604
01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:40,240
Speaker 3: you where the ball.

1605
01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:42,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, you want to make it binary, right, So you're

1606
01:16:42,360 --> 01:16:44,120
Speaker 6: gonna give him a pre snap and a post snap.

1607
01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:45,639
Speaker 6: So he's gonna walk up to the line of scrimmage,

1608
01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:47,679
Speaker 6: you're gonna tell him, all right, if it's split safety

1609
01:16:48,120 --> 01:16:50,840
Speaker 6: and you got Jerry Judy over here, all right, let's

1610
01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:53,080
Speaker 6: just cut the field in half. Boom, don't even look

1611
01:16:53,120 --> 01:16:55,320
Speaker 6: over there in your mind. Of course, once you get

1612
01:16:55,320 --> 01:16:57,040
Speaker 6: the snap, maybe the first thing he wants to do

1613
01:16:57,120 --> 01:16:59,280
Speaker 6: is look over there, right, give the defense the impression

1614
01:16:59,320 --> 01:17:01,360
Speaker 6: that he's starting over there, when in his mind he

1615
01:17:01,439 --> 01:17:04,080
Speaker 6: knows I'm really only reading this half of the field,

1616
01:17:04,360 --> 01:17:06,639
Speaker 6: and then give him one defender to put in conflict.

1617
01:17:06,720 --> 01:17:06,880
Speaker 14: Right.

1618
01:17:07,439 --> 01:17:10,400
Speaker 6: But if it's split safety or a post safety, right,

1619
01:17:10,479 --> 01:17:12,320
Speaker 6: so that's what is the first thing in his mind.

1620
01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:15,400
Speaker 6: Splitter post Okay, Now it narrows it down to one

1621
01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:18,080
Speaker 6: option or the other. And then once you get there, okay,

1622
01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:20,040
Speaker 6: if it's split, you're reading this guy. If it's post,

1623
01:17:20,120 --> 01:17:22,840
Speaker 6: you're reading that guy. And then he knows, okay, I'm

1624
01:17:22,840 --> 01:17:25,960
Speaker 6: reading this defender. If he plays up, I'm going to

1625
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:28,400
Speaker 6: go over the top. If he plays deep, then I'm

1626
01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:30,120
Speaker 6: going to go underneath. So you're trying to put that

1627
01:17:30,160 --> 01:17:32,400
Speaker 6: guy in conflict and make it easy for him to

1628
01:17:32,439 --> 01:17:34,439
Speaker 6: be able to get an opportunity to push the bound

1629
01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:37,040
Speaker 6: ball on the field without having to know all the

1630
01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:39,240
Speaker 6: different concepts and all the different coverages and the different

1631
01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:42,120
Speaker 6: variations of the rotations that are happening everywhere else. You

1632
01:17:42,280 --> 01:17:45,559
Speaker 6: just leave it to a computer system binary split safety

1633
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:49,200
Speaker 6: or post safety boom. If it's that, then this is

1634
01:17:49,240 --> 01:17:51,360
Speaker 6: the guy I'm reading as he hire or low. This

1635
01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:53,120
Speaker 6: is the guy I'm throwing too, So you just make

1636
01:17:53,160 --> 01:17:55,200
Speaker 6: it easy so he can quickly react, and then just

1637
01:17:55,200 --> 01:17:57,560
Speaker 6: tell him, hey, sometimes the best play is a throwaway.

1638
01:17:57,960 --> 01:18:00,200
Speaker 6: If you thought that that was where the ball should go,

1639
01:18:00,280 --> 01:18:01,640
Speaker 6: but and now all of a sudden that guy is

1640
01:18:01,680 --> 01:18:04,320
Speaker 6: breaking on the ball that you didn't expect, just throw

1641
01:18:04,360 --> 01:18:06,599
Speaker 6: it over the guy's head, not a bounce, and will

1642
01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:08,240
Speaker 6: live to play another down. But the one thing you

1643
01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:12,400
Speaker 6: can't do is take fourteen to fifteen yard sacks because

1644
01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:14,640
Speaker 6: that is an absolute drive killer, and then you.

1645
01:18:14,680 --> 01:18:16,160
Speaker 14: Got no chance the rest of the drive.

1646
01:18:18,920 --> 01:18:23,080
Speaker 2: Let's have a few minutes on the defense here, five sacks,

1647
01:18:23,120 --> 01:18:27,280
Speaker 2: seven tackles for loss, two interceptions including a pick six off.

1648
01:18:28,760 --> 01:18:31,120
Speaker 2: This has been This defense has played really at this

1649
01:18:31,240 --> 01:18:35,560
Speaker 2: kind of standard all year. Do you how tough a

1650
01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:37,760
Speaker 2: job is it for Kevin to make sure that there's

1651
01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:40,599
Speaker 2: not finger pointing at this point, because this defensive performance

1652
01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:43,760
Speaker 2: against the Ravens, who are in must win mode, it's

1653
01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:46,840
Speaker 2: good enough to win. It's more than good enough to win. Yeah,

1654
01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:49,280
Speaker 2: And so how do you make sure that you all

1655
01:18:49,360 --> 01:18:51,680
Speaker 2: keep growing in the same direction when you have this

1656
01:18:51,880 --> 01:18:54,320
Speaker 2: crazy imbalance that we've had, and we've had it really

1657
01:18:54,360 --> 01:18:56,879
Speaker 2: all season between the offense and the defense.

1658
01:18:57,560 --> 01:18:59,320
Speaker 6: You know, I think they've done a pretty good job.

1659
01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:01,800
Speaker 6: I think a lot of it is the personality of

1660
01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:05,240
Speaker 6: the defense, and I think that comes from coach Jim Schwartz,

1661
01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:08,599
Speaker 6: And they've done a good job internalizing the fact that, look,

1662
01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:11,400
Speaker 6: our offense is just not very good. If we're going

1663
01:19:11,479 --> 01:19:13,800
Speaker 6: to win a game this year, it's got to be us.

1664
01:19:13,880 --> 01:19:15,840
Speaker 6: We got to do it with turnovers, we got to

1665
01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:18,559
Speaker 6: do it with sacks. We got to hope, hopeful, hope

1666
01:19:18,560 --> 01:19:20,960
Speaker 6: the special teams picks up there under the bargain and

1667
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:24,040
Speaker 6: gets us a big return or a fumble recovery like

1668
01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:27,680
Speaker 6: we saw over the weekend. And you know what, I

1669
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:31,719
Speaker 6: think they've resigned themselves to the fact that the offenses

1670
01:19:31,800 --> 01:19:34,200
Speaker 6: is not very good. So if there was going to

1671
01:19:34,240 --> 01:19:36,880
Speaker 6: be a fracture between the offense and the defense. Honestly,

1672
01:19:36,920 --> 01:19:39,519
Speaker 6: I think it would have already happened this season, So

1673
01:19:40,200 --> 01:19:42,439
Speaker 6: I'm not worried about that happening moving forward because I

1674
01:19:42,439 --> 01:19:43,880
Speaker 6: think the coaches have done a good job and I

1675
01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:46,160
Speaker 6: think the guys in the defensive locker room have done

1676
01:19:46,200 --> 01:19:49,120
Speaker 6: a good job just accepting the fate of Look, our

1677
01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:51,800
Speaker 6: offense is not good. It's got to be us, and

1678
01:19:51,960 --> 01:19:54,160
Speaker 6: we're not going to fingerpoint anybody but the people in

1679
01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:55,800
Speaker 6: this room if it doesn't work out.

1680
01:19:58,040 --> 01:20:01,600
Speaker 3: What can you say about Miles Garrett ten sacks in

1681
01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:05,080
Speaker 3: his last three games last year. This is a stat

1682
01:20:05,160 --> 01:20:08,840
Speaker 3: that keeps boggling my mind. Last year he had a

1683
01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:11,719
Speaker 3: career high twenty two tackles for a loss that led

1684
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:15,639
Speaker 3: the NFL. He has twenty two tackles for a loss

1685
01:20:15,680 --> 01:20:18,160
Speaker 3: right now, right now in this season in ten games,

1686
01:20:18,200 --> 01:20:22,679
Speaker 3: fifteen sacks, twenty two tackles for a loss. He leads

1687
01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:25,599
Speaker 3: the NFL in both of those categories. And I gotta

1688
01:20:25,640 --> 01:20:27,680
Speaker 3: tell you something. There have been you know, there are

1689
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:31,840
Speaker 3: criticisms of Miles over the years. You have a guy

1690
01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:35,200
Speaker 3: who signed a big contract who is not getting back

1691
01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:38,719
Speaker 3: from from an organizational standpoint in terms of the success

1692
01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:41,240
Speaker 3: that he you know, thought that he had been convinced

1693
01:20:41,439 --> 01:20:44,559
Speaker 3: was coming for him to continue to perform at this level.

1694
01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:47,840
Speaker 3: I think speaks volumes about him and his leadership, and

1695
01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:53,880
Speaker 3: it is this is, this is an unreal run. It's

1696
01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:56,200
Speaker 3: like the guy we're talking to him, of course, but he,

1697
01:20:56,400 --> 01:20:59,559
Speaker 3: of course Joe had I mean his his were zeros.

1698
01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:03,599
Speaker 3: Though you're no, no sacks, no pressure is nothing, but

1699
01:21:03,640 --> 01:21:07,240
Speaker 3: it's crazy. Just shut them out, but it is. It's crazy.

1700
01:21:07,200 --> 01:21:10,679
Speaker 3: And I wonder, like ten sacks in a three game pard,

1701
01:21:10,680 --> 01:21:13,439
Speaker 3: I'd imagine Derek Thomas probably when he had the seven,

1702
01:21:13,479 --> 01:21:15,320
Speaker 3: but he had seven and one, he's les have three

1703
01:21:15,320 --> 01:21:18,920
Speaker 3: in the other two consecutively. I wonder where that ranks

1704
01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:20,360
Speaker 3: all the time. And I'd imagine there's got to be

1705
01:21:20,360 --> 01:21:21,639
Speaker 3: a note on that someone I would.

1706
01:21:21,479 --> 01:21:24,120
Speaker 6: Love to know, because it's ridiculous to get like two

1707
01:21:24,200 --> 01:21:26,679
Speaker 6: sacks in the game, much less three, much less four,

1708
01:21:27,040 --> 01:21:29,400
Speaker 6: much less putting them together in a couple of games span.

1709
01:21:29,960 --> 01:21:31,840
Speaker 6: Because typically when you're having more than a couple of

1710
01:21:31,880 --> 01:21:35,880
Speaker 6: sacks in the game, something really, really unusual has happened.

1711
01:21:35,960 --> 01:21:37,840
Speaker 6: It's not like you're just beating your dude like a drum.

1712
01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:39,840
Speaker 6: Because we see Miles beat his dude like a drum

1713
01:21:40,080 --> 01:21:42,479
Speaker 6: every week. But when the quarterbacks getting rid of the

1714
01:21:42,520 --> 01:21:45,639
Speaker 6: football and they're adding extra protectors because they know where

1715
01:21:45,640 --> 01:21:48,840
Speaker 6: the problems are, it's pretty hard to get four sacks.

1716
01:21:48,520 --> 01:21:50,479
Speaker 14: No matter how great you are, even if your Miles here.

1717
01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:54,160
Speaker 6: But I think for him, the thing that's exciting for

1718
01:21:54,200 --> 01:21:56,200
Speaker 6: me to watch is just the effort that he plays with,

1719
01:21:56,479 --> 01:21:58,880
Speaker 6: and a lot of sacks just come where you're just

1720
01:21:58,920 --> 01:22:02,160
Speaker 6: playing hard, playing into the whistle, and the quarterback hangs

1721
01:22:02,160 --> 01:22:03,840
Speaker 6: on to the football like we saw in that one

1722
01:22:04,160 --> 01:22:07,840
Speaker 6: sprint right where Lamar he sprinted right there was nobody opened,

1723
01:22:07,880 --> 01:22:10,120
Speaker 6: so coverage gets a lot of credit, and he thought, hey,

1724
01:22:10,160 --> 01:22:13,240
Speaker 6: I could just referst field, But Miles just kept pushing,

1725
01:22:13,280 --> 01:22:16,160
Speaker 6: and he kept rushing and kept giving that effort towards

1726
01:22:16,160 --> 01:22:19,040
Speaker 6: the quarterback. It's where you see DJ Watt getting a

1727
01:22:19,080 --> 01:22:20,760
Speaker 6: lot of sacks. Of course he beats his nan a

1728
01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:23,000
Speaker 6: lot as well, but a lot of those sacks are just.

1729
01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:24,960
Speaker 14: Efforts just because you won't stop, you know.

1730
01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:28,519
Speaker 6: And I think when you combine what Miles is physically,

1731
01:22:28,600 --> 01:22:30,800
Speaker 6: which is unlike any other human we've ever seen that

1732
01:22:31,040 --> 01:22:33,519
Speaker 6: have walked the face of the earth, part dinosaur, and

1733
01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:36,280
Speaker 6: you combine that with great effort, like get out of here.

1734
01:22:36,320 --> 01:22:37,320
Speaker 14: I don't want to see that, dude.

1735
01:22:37,320 --> 01:22:41,519
Speaker 6: And I'll say Ronnie Staley has blocked him as well

1736
01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:43,800
Speaker 6: as about any left tackle that I've seen, and they

1737
01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:46,240
Speaker 6: didn't give him as much help as a lot.

1738
01:22:46,120 --> 01:22:50,200
Speaker 14: Of teams do, and he still had an amazing game.

1739
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:55,400
Speaker 6: Miles did just with those effort sacks, just the willingness

1740
01:22:55,840 --> 01:22:58,719
Speaker 6: to just continue to go and play to the whistle

1741
01:22:58,960 --> 01:22:59,519
Speaker 6: is awesome.

1742
01:22:59,560 --> 01:23:01,920
Speaker 14: And so it's so fun to watch him out there.

1743
01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:07,120
Speaker 3: All right, So I got the answer. Yeah, Tied for

1744
01:23:07,200 --> 01:23:10,519
Speaker 3: the most in NFL history over three game span. Derreck

1745
01:23:10,600 --> 01:23:15,880
Speaker 3: Thomas ninety seven ninety eight, Richard Dent sack Man Dent

1746
01:23:16,600 --> 01:23:19,960
Speaker 3: Monsters of the Midway nineteen eighty four had ten in

1747
01:23:20,040 --> 01:23:23,320
Speaker 3: a three game span as well. Miles is tied with

1748
01:23:23,439 --> 01:23:26,160
Speaker 3: that with ten sacks over his last three games. By

1749
01:23:26,160 --> 01:23:28,599
Speaker 3: the way, hof did you see and what would happen

1750
01:23:28,640 --> 01:23:32,040
Speaker 3: in the mushroom room? When he gave a right hand

1751
01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:38,040
Speaker 3: jab to Roger Rosengarden, who is a large man there,

1752
01:23:38,120 --> 01:23:41,080
Speaker 3: right tackle, that's right, one hand, and he knocked him

1753
01:23:41,080 --> 01:23:43,479
Speaker 3: on his butt like it was Thanos Boom and then

1754
01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:46,120
Speaker 3: went right in and sacked Lamar Jackson. It's just a

1755
01:23:46,160 --> 01:23:48,840
Speaker 3: one hand, right hand punch and it was just playing.

1756
01:23:48,920 --> 01:23:53,360
Speaker 6: No, that's quickly knowing that place coming up, obviously, because

1757
01:23:53,360 --> 01:23:55,559
Speaker 6: you've probably had a sick feeling in your stomach since

1758
01:23:55,560 --> 01:23:58,360
Speaker 6: the moment that that happened. Until a film session, you

1759
01:23:58,520 --> 01:24:01,680
Speaker 6: have to get up real quick about three plays before.

1760
01:24:01,640 --> 01:24:04,000
Speaker 14: Coach, I'm sorry. I got into the bathroom and he

1761
01:24:04,160 --> 01:24:04,719
Speaker 14: just sprin.

1762
01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:05,960
Speaker 6: Out of there, and you don't come back for like

1763
01:24:05,960 --> 01:24:07,880
Speaker 6: a half hour, because I don't know if you can

1764
01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:13,840
Speaker 6: recover after having living through the beatings are going to

1765
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:17,400
Speaker 6: give you for the humiliation that that human being had

1766
01:24:17,560 --> 01:24:19,559
Speaker 6: put on top of your body and your soul. It

1767
01:24:19,640 --> 01:24:21,720
Speaker 6: just took your soul and threw you backwards like a

1768
01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:23,080
Speaker 6: cartoon man.

1769
01:24:24,920 --> 01:24:25,240
Speaker 3: Man.

1770
01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:28,040
Speaker 2: It's a hall of fame level of professionalism, is what

1771
01:24:28,040 --> 01:24:31,719
Speaker 2: it is. Because the season is not what he thought

1772
01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:33,960
Speaker 2: he was signing up to, but it's but it's it

1773
01:24:34,040 --> 01:24:36,880
Speaker 2: is a hall of fame level of professionalism. It is

1774
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:41,200
Speaker 2: a pride in your singular greatness and that every single

1775
01:24:41,360 --> 01:24:43,320
Speaker 2: day that you show up on a Sunday to play,

1776
01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:44,799
Speaker 2: you're at your best.

1777
01:24:45,680 --> 01:24:45,960
Speaker 3: Haff.

1778
01:24:45,960 --> 01:24:48,320
Speaker 2: It has to make you so proud because I know

1779
01:24:48,439 --> 01:24:50,840
Speaker 2: that you grabbed him early as your career was coming

1780
01:24:50,840 --> 01:24:52,680
Speaker 2: to an end and his was just beginning, and you

1781
01:24:52,720 --> 01:24:54,960
Speaker 2: could see the greatness in him. But you never know

1782
01:24:55,000 --> 01:24:57,720
Speaker 2: how someone's going to respond to guidance or how they're

1783
01:24:57,720 --> 01:25:01,320
Speaker 2: going to respond to any of it. And he's responded aces.

1784
01:25:01,439 --> 01:25:04,120
Speaker 2: I mean, this is to get this out of him

1785
01:25:04,439 --> 01:25:06,880
Speaker 2: is remarkable every single time out.

1786
01:25:07,080 --> 01:25:07,759
Speaker 14: It's so cool.

1787
01:25:07,960 --> 01:25:11,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, just watching him from afar as his

1788
01:25:11,960 --> 01:25:15,360
Speaker 6: career has obviously taken off and reached heights that we

1789
01:25:15,360 --> 01:25:17,479
Speaker 6: haven't really seen from a defender in the NFL in

1790
01:25:17,520 --> 01:25:18,080
Speaker 6: my opinion.

1791
01:25:18,520 --> 01:25:18,760
Speaker 14: Ever.

1792
01:25:19,040 --> 01:25:21,040
Speaker 6: I know there's a lot of people that want to

1793
01:25:21,080 --> 01:25:24,640
Speaker 6: fight me on social media about Reggie White, and I

1794
01:25:24,680 --> 01:25:27,080
Speaker 6: loved Reggie White. I got to watch him up close

1795
01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:29,640
Speaker 6: and personal when I was a kid in Wisconsin, and

1796
01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:32,519
Speaker 6: he was amazing. But I just don't think even he

1797
01:25:32,920 --> 01:25:36,360
Speaker 6: can compare to what Miles Garrett can do on the

1798
01:25:36,360 --> 01:25:38,720
Speaker 6: football field with his speed and his strength and his

1799
01:25:38,760 --> 01:25:42,479
Speaker 6: ability to play all across the board, with the effort

1800
01:25:42,479 --> 01:25:45,360
Speaker 6: that he plays with week in and week out. I mean,

1801
01:25:46,840 --> 01:25:49,320
Speaker 6: I just, I just I do have a lot of

1802
01:25:49,320 --> 01:25:51,680
Speaker 6: pride watching just knowing as a as a friend of

1803
01:25:51,720 --> 01:25:54,679
Speaker 6: mine and as a guy that came in as a rookie,

1804
01:25:54,960 --> 01:25:57,080
Speaker 6: I got hurt, you know, seven games in or whatever,

1805
01:25:57,120 --> 01:25:59,120
Speaker 6: and just kind of took the rest of the season

1806
01:25:59,479 --> 01:26:02,519
Speaker 6: trying to download my brain into his and you know,

1807
01:26:02,520 --> 01:26:06,040
Speaker 6: if one thing clicks, hopefully that pays off. And you know,

1808
01:26:06,280 --> 01:26:08,880
Speaker 6: trying to give him perspective of how an offensive lineman

1809
01:26:08,880 --> 01:26:11,479
Speaker 6: would see him and try to block him. Try as

1810
01:26:11,600 --> 01:26:16,000
Speaker 6: the key word in that situation. But you know, the

1811
01:26:16,040 --> 01:26:18,320
Speaker 6: cool thing was like he never came in with an ego.

1812
01:26:18,520 --> 01:26:20,880
Speaker 6: He was not ever a diva. He was never a

1813
01:26:20,920 --> 01:26:23,760
Speaker 6: player that was like, hey, I got this, don't worry

1814
01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:25,479
Speaker 6: about it. I know, you know a lot of things,

1815
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:27,360
Speaker 6: but you're on the offensive side of the ball. Just

1816
01:26:27,800 --> 01:26:32,080
Speaker 6: having having a willing worker, a willing listener, somebody that's

1817
01:26:32,080 --> 01:26:34,759
Speaker 6: eager to learn is so much fun as another player.

1818
01:26:34,800 --> 01:26:37,519
Speaker 6: And I know his coaches love coaching him right because

1819
01:26:38,080 --> 01:26:40,760
Speaker 6: he wants to be the greatest of all time and

1820
01:26:41,160 --> 01:26:43,599
Speaker 6: good is never good enough for him. And I think

1821
01:26:43,640 --> 01:26:48,519
Speaker 6: that unwillingness to be satisfied is what continues to build

1822
01:26:48,560 --> 01:26:53,360
Speaker 6: the next up level of performance and the elevation of

1823
01:26:53,400 --> 01:26:57,280
Speaker 6: his career and his greatness, because yeah, he got four sacks,

1824
01:26:57,600 --> 01:27:00,960
Speaker 6: but he wants five you know that's that can never.

1825
01:27:00,840 --> 01:27:01,960
Speaker 14: Be an I love it.

1826
01:27:04,080 --> 01:27:05,960
Speaker 2: That's your trench report, brought to you by Big Fig

1827
01:27:06,040 --> 01:27:08,240
Speaker 2: the mattress made for More crafted in Cleveland.

1828
01:27:08,320 --> 01:27:10,200
Speaker 3: Just like our Browns.

1829
01:27:11,080 --> 01:27:13,400
Speaker 2: We're gonna do some game balls just on defense, and

1830
01:27:13,439 --> 01:27:16,040
Speaker 2: we can't give it to Miles. I have an idea

1831
01:27:16,040 --> 01:27:18,200
Speaker 2: who's getting the other one because he might be in

1832
01:27:18,280 --> 01:27:18,840
Speaker 2: All Pro two.

1833
01:27:18,920 --> 01:27:22,240
Speaker 3: We're wearing number forty nine. Unbelievable. He's a defensive rookie

1834
01:27:22,240 --> 01:27:24,240
Speaker 3: of the year, eleven tackles in this one, gets his

1835
01:27:24,320 --> 01:27:27,840
Speaker 3: second interception on the season, He's got sacks, he's he

1836
01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:30,280
Speaker 3: is doing it all. Yeah, I think he is in

1837
01:27:30,439 --> 01:27:34,960
Speaker 3: All Pro consideration, and I think he is probably. I

1838
01:27:35,040 --> 01:27:37,599
Speaker 3: know there's a safety in man Worri who's playing well

1839
01:27:37,640 --> 01:27:40,040
Speaker 3: in Seattle that people talk about as well, but I

1840
01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:43,000
Speaker 3: can't imagine you think about you know, j Okay is

1841
01:27:43,040 --> 01:27:44,920
Speaker 3: unable to go. Jordan Hicks is going to be your

1842
01:27:44,920 --> 01:27:48,400
Speaker 3: Mike linebacker. He retires suddenly and catch everybody by surprise

1843
01:27:48,439 --> 01:27:49,800
Speaker 3: to start training camp. And this guy who is a

1844
01:27:49,880 --> 01:27:53,160
Speaker 3: one year starter in college YEP is playing at this level.

1845
01:27:53,200 --> 01:27:54,559
Speaker 3: And this is a point I made. I was talking

1846
01:27:54,600 --> 01:27:56,800
Speaker 3: about Jason Tarbor last week by the way, and he

1847
01:27:56,880 --> 01:27:59,080
Speaker 3: is open to a weekly segment. He's told me personally,

1848
01:27:59,160 --> 01:28:00,920
Speaker 3: so he's like, I'll do it, I'll do it.

1849
01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:01,160
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1850
01:28:01,160 --> 01:28:05,360
Speaker 3: Absolutely. You think about the offenses we've faced this year,

1851
01:28:05,400 --> 01:28:14,080
Speaker 3: so this is ten games Baltimore twice, Miami, Green Bay, Detroit, Minnesota,

1852
01:28:15,280 --> 01:28:18,719
Speaker 3: Pittsburgh with Arthur Smith, and that's I might be leaving

1853
01:28:18,760 --> 01:28:24,920
Speaker 3: some out, but these are heavy motion, heavy multiple personnel groupings,

1854
01:28:25,080 --> 01:28:27,960
Speaker 3: offenses that are designed with a lot of eye candy,

1855
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:30,920
Speaker 3: a lot of late movement, and quarterbacks not to mention,

1856
01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:34,040
Speaker 3: that are incredibly experienced, whether it's Lamar, Joe Burrow week one,

1857
01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:39,559
Speaker 3: you know, Jordan Love, Jared Goff, Aaron Rodgers. Offenses that

1858
01:28:39,560 --> 01:28:43,040
Speaker 3: are designed to stress mike linebackers and to put them

1859
01:28:43,040 --> 01:28:45,240
Speaker 3: at a disadvantage in that chess game. This is a guy

1860
01:28:45,280 --> 01:28:47,240
Speaker 3: who started one year in college and yet here he

1861
01:28:47,360 --> 01:28:50,160
Speaker 3: is doing what he is doing right now, I think

1862
01:28:50,280 --> 01:28:53,040
Speaker 3: is simply and by the way, guy had a high

1863
01:28:53,080 --> 01:28:56,519
Speaker 3: ankle sprain three weeks ago, didn't miss a game and

1864
01:28:56,560 --> 01:28:58,439
Speaker 3: has had back to back double digit tackle games and

1865
01:28:58,520 --> 01:29:02,360
Speaker 3: is making impactful plays with it. Be sack interceptions was

1866
01:29:02,439 --> 01:29:05,280
Speaker 3: unreal when he filled and he stoned him in the

1867
01:29:05,280 --> 01:29:08,200
Speaker 3: hall Stone in in the hole. Yeahahah st him. He

1868
01:29:08,240 --> 01:29:10,160
Speaker 3: had one where he stoned Derrick Henry in the hole,

1869
01:29:10,200 --> 01:29:12,400
Speaker 3: which I have not seen prior never, and I don't

1870
01:29:12,400 --> 01:29:14,000
Speaker 3: mean that from a hyperbolic sample, but I just can't

1871
01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:15,720
Speaker 3: remember him. I can't where he had a full ed

1872
01:29:15,760 --> 01:29:17,880
Speaker 3: of steam and then just stopped. And there was another

1873
01:29:17,920 --> 01:29:20,240
Speaker 3: one where he Dereck Henry had a head of steam

1874
01:29:20,280 --> 01:29:22,840
Speaker 3: going through the hole and he wrapped him from the

1875
01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:25,679
Speaker 3: side and got him down. Normally he runs right through

1876
01:29:25,680 --> 01:29:28,880
Speaker 3: those terms. He's he is an incredible player.

1877
01:29:28,960 --> 01:29:31,719
Speaker 14: Yeah, he's fun to watch too, right, he's doing everything.

1878
01:29:31,800 --> 01:29:32,000
Speaker 5: You know.

1879
01:29:32,080 --> 01:29:34,360
Speaker 6: Typically you get a Mike linebacker and you're going, all right,

1880
01:29:34,520 --> 01:29:36,400
Speaker 6: he's gonna be a little slow, but he's gonna be

1881
01:29:36,400 --> 01:29:38,600
Speaker 6: physical in the hole, right, So there's not gonna be

1882
01:29:38,640 --> 01:29:40,640
Speaker 6: fullbacks or tight ends that are inserting that are to

1883
01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:43,240
Speaker 6: run him over and create extra seams. Or you get

1884
01:29:43,240 --> 01:29:45,759
Speaker 6: a guy where you're like, okay, he can run sideline

1885
01:29:45,760 --> 01:29:48,320
Speaker 6: the sideline pretty good. He can cover really well, but

1886
01:29:48,600 --> 01:29:50,320
Speaker 6: he's a bit of a liability in the run game

1887
01:29:50,360 --> 01:29:51,960
Speaker 6: because we got to cover him up. We don't really

1888
01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:55,000
Speaker 6: want our big guards getting up to him. But amazingly,

1889
01:29:55,040 --> 01:29:58,040
Speaker 6: this guy does at all. Right, he's sidelined a sideline

1890
01:29:58,040 --> 01:30:00,960
Speaker 6: with that speed. He's intelligent, being able to understand the

1891
01:30:01,000 --> 01:30:03,800
Speaker 6: complexities of the defenses that they need to run. And

1892
01:30:03,840 --> 01:30:06,960
Speaker 6: then the offense is how they're trying to attack our defense,

1893
01:30:07,200 --> 01:30:09,880
Speaker 6: getting guys lined up. But then he's still physical in

1894
01:30:09,880 --> 01:30:13,240
Speaker 6: the whole, right, He's still a physical presence. So I

1895
01:30:13,240 --> 01:30:15,240
Speaker 6: don't know if i'd call him a throwback or if

1896
01:30:15,240 --> 01:30:15,639
Speaker 6: he's the.

1897
01:30:15,600 --> 01:30:18,960
Speaker 14: Next generation of linebacker. But either way, I.

1898
01:30:18,880 --> 01:30:22,760
Speaker 6: Think he is definitely in consideration for being an All Pro,

1899
01:30:22,800 --> 01:30:25,759
Speaker 6: definitely All rookie team. But I mean, people talk about

1900
01:30:25,760 --> 01:30:28,720
Speaker 6: the linebacker position not having a lot of value anymore. Well,

1901
01:30:28,760 --> 01:30:31,759
Speaker 6: I point to a guy like that, mister Carson. Sweessen's

1902
01:30:31,760 --> 01:30:34,839
Speaker 6: your number forty nine. He brings a ton of value

1903
01:30:35,200 --> 01:30:38,680
Speaker 6: to your defense. And obviously he's pretty cheap right now.

1904
01:30:38,600 --> 01:30:41,200
Speaker 14: As a rookie. But when you resign, be worth every penny.

1905
01:30:43,120 --> 01:30:45,080
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, all right, great stuff, Huff.

1906
01:30:45,240 --> 01:30:47,160
Speaker 2: As always, we'll do it again next week on the

1907
01:30:47,200 --> 01:30:50,240
Speaker 2: Joe Thomas half hour of the program. Thank you so

1908
01:30:50,320 --> 01:30:52,439
Speaker 2: much for your time. Look forward to it again next week.

1909
01:30:52,800 --> 01:30:56,400
Speaker 2: Set the setup. He has his unbelievable hunting like he's living.

1910
01:30:56,479 --> 01:30:59,559
Speaker 2: He's got some sort of sheerling goodie like come on fire,

1911
01:30:59,640 --> 01:31:02,519
Speaker 2: burning a nice hearty sip of a warm beverage.

1912
01:31:02,640 --> 01:31:05,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a beautiful chandelier above him. He's got everything

1913
01:31:05,640 --> 01:31:11,479
Speaker 3: every there. Oh yeah, look at that thing. Yeah wow,

1914
01:31:13,160 --> 01:31:17,479
Speaker 3: wow folks. Alright, alright, guys, and then wow.

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Speaker 2: And that was Cleveland Brown's Daily for this Monday edition.

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