1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning. The Breakfast Club. 2 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 2: Morning. 3 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 3: Everybody is Steen j n V. Charlamagne the guy. We 4 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 3: are the Breakfast Club. We got a special guest in 5 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 3: the building. 6 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 2: One of my favorite people. He don't even know it. 7 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 4: Though, James Samuel Guts piece to the guts. 8 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 2: Peace, black Man, How are you. 9 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: I'm good, King, I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. It's 10 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: about time, you know what I mean. 11 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 2: Absolutely happy to have you. Man. 12 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 5: You got a new movie y'all called The Book of Clans. 13 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 5: But before we get to the Book of Clans, we just 14 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 5: got to talk about you, you know, James Samuel. You 15 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 5: know y'all, I'm sure y'all seen The Heart of Day Fall. 16 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 5: That was your first film, right, Yeah, that's the day film. Okay, Yeah, 17 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:38,200 Speaker 5: So give us a little backstory. What's the James Samuel origin? 18 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 2: Man? You know, how'd you become this superhero? 19 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: You know it's you know how superheroes are. We were 20 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 1: born supheros, you know what, black We didn't fall into 21 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:50,279 Speaker 1: know we were born it. But I was just a guy. 22 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 1: There was always instruments in the house. There was always 23 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 1: I always had cameras, and I was always doing two things, right, 24 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: so it's not really what made me like fall into 25 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: film for music can fall into music from film. It's 26 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 1: really what made me not stop being me. The older 27 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: you get, the more I always say, you're taught to 28 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 1: level down right as a kid, disguise the limit rights 29 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:14,960 Speaker 1: as an elder, don't count your chickens before they hatch. 30 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: So you just have to kind of work out a 31 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: way to hold on to yourself, never to never grow up, 32 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: and continue doing the things that just make you you. 33 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: So I continue doing music to the point where I 34 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: was working with j Electronica and tory A Muss and 35 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: all of these people, and I continue doing doing film, 36 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: and I was just doing both of them myself, funding 37 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: whatever I can. Then I made a short film in 38 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: twenty twelve called They Die by Dawn. It was a Western. 39 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 1: It was like a proof of concept for the Hardiday Four, 40 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:45,039 Speaker 1: starring Erica Badou, Rosario, Drson, Gen Carlo Esposito, Michael K. Williams, 41 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 1: Harry Lennox, Nate Parker. Based I was just going to 42 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: people's house and I can't I put them in it, 43 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: and I did all the music for it. Then me 44 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: and J did the music for me, and jay Z 45 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: did the music for The Great Gatsby, and from there 46 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: I just pivoted into into The Harder Day four. You know, 47 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: a Hardiday took like fifteen years to make right and 48 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: everyone telling you it's never gonna happen. It's too big. 49 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: You can't do that for your first movie. Your first 50 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 1: movie should be like one million or two million. There 51 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: was a guy called Andrea Evelino. He said to me, 52 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:17,639 Speaker 1: he said, James, do you know this? This movie is 53 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:20,079 Speaker 1: too It's too big. He's telling it's too big, it's 54 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: too big. Take five million. Do something small, and if 55 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 1: that's successful, I give you more. And that's you know 56 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 1: when I Hope says, I drove by the fork in 57 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:31,079 Speaker 1: the road and went straight. I looked at this guy, 58 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: Should I take that five mil? Nah? 59 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:34,679 Speaker 2: Man? 60 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: My first movie is The Hardiday four. I have to 61 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 1: tell people that one in four cowboys was black. The 62 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: name cowboy came from us. They call us cowboys. White 63 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: people were called cow hands. I just had a mission 64 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 1: with that movie, and I just I never took it 65 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: and I went straight and I made the Holiday Fall 66 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: literally a couple of years. A couple of years later, 67 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: I made a Holiday Fall for nineteen million dollar budget right, 68 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: a ninety million dollar budget my debut movie. So you 69 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: know I'm physical. I'm the physical, physical personification of the 70 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 1: fact that you can fly like it's it's in us. 71 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 1: And when you're when you're on a mission, when you 72 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 1: have something to say, people are always going to tell 73 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: you not to say it, you know what I mean. 74 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 1: They're always going to tell you not to say it 75 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: or come out with reasons why you shouldn't say it. 76 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:17,359 Speaker 1: But you have to say it. Man, you have to 77 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 1: stand by your guns. You're an artist. You have something 78 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: to say, you have to you know, you have to 79 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 1: keep keep keep the fight alive. And also where gods? 80 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: You know what I mean with gods? Man, I watched 81 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,959 Speaker 1: I watched Django and just a good movie called Niggas 82 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 1: one hundred and one hundred and ten times in a 83 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: two hour space. We ain't niggas. Man, with gods, you 84 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: should address us as such. So for me, it was 85 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: just it was just that's probably the origin the origin, or. 86 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 4: Hold on before you do that. 87 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 3: How did you know so many people open their arms 88 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 3: to you because you mentioned j Electronica, Michael K. 89 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 4: Williams, Erica, baddu jay Z. How did so many people 90 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 4: open up their arms. You'd be like, come on, brother, 91 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 4: let's do this together. Or how was that? 92 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:02,279 Speaker 1: You know before Mike Tyson beat the brakes. 93 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 4: Off, which one he'd be a break? 94 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: Frank Bruno in England. I'm English, so that one was 95 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: like we still wanted to Tyson to win, though, because 96 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: you know it's Tyson, he said, I think on Larry King, 97 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:19,280 Speaker 1: I laugh, forgive me for being so vain, but I'm 98 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 1: the best at what I do. Envy, I laugh, forgive 99 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 1: me for being so vain and the best of what 100 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: I do. I'm literally a once in a lifetime comment 101 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 1: like no one does. I compose the score. I write 102 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 1: and produce every single song on the soundtrack unless someone's rapping, 103 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 1: I write and produce every single song on the soundtrack. 104 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: And also I believe that great artists want to make 105 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 1: great art. So when I sit in front of you 106 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: and I tell you, look, we have never had a 107 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: movie like this before ever, like the Book of Clarence 108 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:54,799 Speaker 1: in one hundred and thirty six years of the moving image, 109 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: two black people who have never been on screen and gone, 110 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 1: there's Jesus. We've never had a movie like that before. 111 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 1: So when I sit in front of you and explain 112 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: to you my intention and the reason why I want 113 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: to make what I make, and I have to make 114 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: what I make. I'm kind of fortunate and that I'm 115 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 1: able to explain it and that the person I'm talking 116 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 1: to is able to hold onto it, and then we 117 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 1: just go forward and and create history. 118 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 2: What was your first love with the music of film? 119 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 1: It was both of them. I think Charlemagne as a kid. Well, 120 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:29,119 Speaker 1: as a kid, you know, we're black, right, so music 121 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: is just all around us all the time. So I 122 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: don't even know if that's that's a good question. I 123 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: don't even know if that's a that's a that was 124 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: the first love. That's almost like we're organ it's us, 125 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 1: thank you, that's the that's what we're born into, right, 126 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:46,600 Speaker 1: Like you're from where you're from, South Carolina, right, So 127 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 1: you're born into especially South Carolina, you're born into into music. 128 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 1: You didn't have a choice to become DJ ANDV. It's 129 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: not like you could DJ and V was DJVW as 130 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: long as we've been listening to New York mixtapes and okay, 131 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: we're just born into music. But we were fed film 132 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 1: and as a kid, I was just addicted to addicted 133 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 1: to the screens. I think I was always playing instruments 134 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: because the instruments around I was just addicted to the screen. 135 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 1: I had to you know, I had to make whatever 136 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 1: it was. I had to make, you know what I mean. 137 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 5: I think another thing that we're born into, which probably 138 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 5: why we do end up having such a love for 139 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 5: music and film, is Black people love storytelling. Yes, any 140 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 5: way we can tell our story. We tend to gravitate 141 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 5: towards what's the best vehicle to tell our story. 142 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 1: Exactly exactly, like we love we love storytelling. And I 143 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 1: think because we've had so much taken away from us, Charlemagne, 144 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 1: We've had so much, we have so much barriers put 145 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: in front of us, like we could do this, but 146 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: we can't. We can't do that, So we like to 147 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 1: We like to dream. But then there's people like us 148 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: that that show that they're not actually dreams. You know. 149 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 1: I was saying that, I believe, like, uh, a few 150 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: hundred years ago, someone changed the word plans, aims, and 151 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 1: intentions into dreams. And the moment we embrace that word dream, 152 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: we embrace the word failure. That's my dream car, my 153 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: dream house, my dream job, my dream show, me a dreamer. 154 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 1: I'll show you a person who who's going to fail. 155 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 1: You don't. You can't chase the dream. You're sleeping when 156 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 1: you have them. But these aims, these plans, these intentions, 157 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: we're awake when we have them, right, We're awake. Man. 158 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 1: I want to I want to be the number one 159 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 1: I'm speaking to best selling author. I remember, I remember, 160 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: uh uh. Back in the day, you'll be watching The 161 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: Breakfast Club before podcasts as your best TV show, and 162 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 1: you're like, isn't this a radio show? But you'll be 163 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: watching it every Day's a TV show. Right. All of 164 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: the all of the things you all of the grounds 165 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 1: you you you travel, and all of the barriers you break, 166 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 1: none of them are dreams. Their aims, they plans, their intentions. 167 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: All of these things are real. But you know, being black, 168 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 1: we're constantly told we can't have them, we can't attain them, 169 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: and we can't do the Me and Hope speak about 170 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: this all the time. And for that reason, I have 171 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: to tell the type of stories that we love. For 172 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 1: that reason we love storytelling and doubling down on it. 173 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: I have to tell the type of stories that I 174 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:23,239 Speaker 1: want to tell. I want to take us to places 175 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: that we've never been. I took you to the Old West, 176 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: I take you to the New Testament. 177 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 4: Now let's talk about the Book of Clarence. This comes 178 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 4: out this week, the twelve. 179 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: Yeah. 180 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 4: Now with this movie, did you have any reservations because 181 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 4: you know, people. 182 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:39,559 Speaker 3: Are so when you talk about religious movies or biblical 183 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 3: times or that people are so animated. So have so 184 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:48,679 Speaker 3: many questions and will complain to I don't even know what, 185 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 3: especially with this movie. 186 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 4: Blasphem me, blasphemy. 187 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:54,199 Speaker 1: The teaser sixty second teaser. We drop a sixty second 188 00:08:54,200 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: teaser and everyone says blastphe me envy Matthew twenty four 189 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: to five. Jesus' exact words are many shall come in 190 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 1: my name saying I am the Christ, and they shall 191 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 1: deceive many. The Bible itself speaks of Simon the Sorcerer 192 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,679 Speaker 1: who was trying to pay his way into the apostles. 193 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 1: The Bible itself speaks of Simon the Sorcerer. In Jesus's lifetime, 194 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 1: and it's thirty three years of being on the planet, 195 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 1: there was two to three hundred people come in and 196 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 1: saying that they're the Messiah. You only have to do 197 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 1: a Google check. Now, I knew people would be saying 198 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: that when they look at the teaser. We released a 199 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: longer trailer and it was less right. But now when 200 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 1: you say blasphemy, you have to stand on it. I 201 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: want to know why you're saying blasphemy? Is it because 202 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:45,559 Speaker 1: you're seeing people of color? And if I'm speaking to 203 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 1: a person of color, I'm gonna ask a deep question 204 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 1: when you look at the trailer for because you haven't 205 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 1: seen a movie, When you look at the trailer for 206 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: the Book of Clarence and you're yelling blasphemy, One, do 207 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:00,040 Speaker 1: you actually read the book you profess to know so 208 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 1: much about. Two? And listen to all black people that 209 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 1: yelling yelling blasphemy? Are you saying blasphemy because you see 210 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: yourself in that place and time, Because I'm showing people 211 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 1: in that place and time as the same color as you. 212 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:24,199 Speaker 1: We are so trained to dismiss anything we see as 213 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: as either blasphemy or in this day and ages, the Illuminati. 214 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:32,439 Speaker 1: I always tell people, Charlotte, it's a crazy thing, right. 215 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: You never hear two white people go Spilberg and George 216 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: Lucas are the Illuminati. You know, the black people go, 217 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: Jay z Rihanna and really like, really, this is that 218 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 1: what we're doing as soon as we accomplished, as soon 219 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 1: as we accomplished something. So for me, I'm like, I 220 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 1: never had any reservations at all. I don't create art 221 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:56,199 Speaker 1: with in fear. I never had any reservations at all. 222 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 1: And the fact that people are yelling blasphem me is 223 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:00,719 Speaker 1: exactly why I to tell this story answers about and 224 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:05,679 Speaker 1: every man. It's about you and I, right, who believes 225 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 1: he can do anything right? But in this, in this belief, 226 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: he finds himself, you know, in trouble with a with 227 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: a with a village terror, and he ends up on 228 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 1: a road of self discovery and ultimately redemption and faith. 229 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 1: It's a beautiful it's a beautiful story. 230 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. 231 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 5: I don't think it downplays faith at all. I think 232 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 5: it examined the motivation behind our faith. 233 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: Thank you, brother, thank you. That's exactly exactly what it does. 234 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 1: Like if we were born, if we were born, if 235 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 1: we came came about today, I have a nine year 236 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:38,439 Speaker 1: old son. Let me sit this guy down and try 237 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:41,559 Speaker 1: and tell him, explain to him about you know, the 238 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 1: virgin birth and and and all of this stuff. He 239 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 1: would look at me with disbelief. At first, you have 240 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: to convince kids that Santa Claus exists. You have to 241 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: tell him that from when their baby. You can't start 242 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: from when they're ten, right, So and it's you know, 243 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: another interesting is when you have all of these people 244 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 1: that yell blasphemy. I like to say, like Jesus had 245 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:10,679 Speaker 1: twelve apostles, he didn't have seven billion. Where were all 246 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 1: you guys when Jesus was right? Jesus had twelve apostles 247 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: and probably the sixty or seventy people or a couple 248 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 1: of hundred people he was preaching to when he was 249 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: doing the sermons on the mount. But they arrested Jesus, right, 250 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 1: and then the Romans. The Romans arrested him and the 251 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 1: Romans killed him, right, they crucified him. Where were all 252 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 1: these choruses of supporters? If Jesus came around today, people 253 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 1: would be yelling blasphemy. He'd be arrested and crucified all 254 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:47,359 Speaker 1: over it, all over again. So before you yell blasphemy, 255 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 1: just dig in research. Don't condemn something before you before 256 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 1: you've seen it. But I don't even mind that you 257 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: do that. Because the Book of. 258 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 5: Clarence is a classic it's a fantastic movie and it's 259 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:01,079 Speaker 5: gonna be a discussion piece, regardless what you just said 260 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 5: about Matthew twenty four or five. 261 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:04,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the debate me and my wife was 262 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 2: having this weekend. 263 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:06,839 Speaker 5: And out of the debate, we were actually having this 264 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 5: this morning, like who exactly was Jesus in the film? 265 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 1: You know? 266 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 2: And maybe this is just me being white. 267 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 4: Your face looked like that. 268 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 5: He doesn't look like you want to tell me this morning, 269 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 5: But maybe I'm just being a little fake. 270 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: Deep. 271 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 5: What I took from it was everybody's God. We should 272 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 5: recognize everybody is God. But the most important thing is 273 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 5: recognizing God and. 274 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:30,679 Speaker 1: Yourself, recognizing God in yourself. Charlemagne, like all of us, 275 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: have that walkme war moment. Even though Jesus is in 276 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 1: the film, right and he's clear, and he's in the 277 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 1: filming and I may I go through. 278 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 4: I don't know if it's as clear as you thought 279 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 4: it was, because me and him was arguing this morning 280 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:43,559 Speaker 4: about my. 281 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 2: Wife got it. 282 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, see, so it was a super clear, but 283 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 1: Charlemagne's wife got it. Here's the thing. And you know, 284 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 1: Vy loves an argument, loves the debate, actually so, but 285 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:03,679 Speaker 1: there is a God in yourself, and that's super important. Man, 286 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 1: Like when we see each other's peace to the God, 287 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 1: it's peace to the God. Like there's a God in yourself, 288 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 1: and that's like the most important thing. Because not everyone 289 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 1: that's going to watch this film is a Christian. Not 290 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: everyone's going to watch it, you know, like when people 291 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: champion there their religions. But I find everyone to be 292 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 1: a disbeliever of some sort. If I'm speaking to a Christian, Okay, 293 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 1: so you disbelieve in all the other religions on the planet. 294 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: You just you just believe in yours, right, But whatever 295 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 1: your belief is, God is inside you. Right, whatever your 296 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: belief is, even if you have no faith, God is 297 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: inside you. And I want people to take take that 298 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 1: away from this this movie. So what you took away 299 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: from it for me is a beautiful is a beautiful thing? 300 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: Is job well done? Because you know it's a first 301 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 1: movie of it's kind in one hundred and thirty six 302 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 1: years of the moving image. Right, it's a it's a 303 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: really beautiful thing. And you know me, Charlemagne, like I'm 304 00:14:56,280 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 1: always excited about what I do. Filmmakers are are almost 305 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 1: like it's politically incorrect to say my movie's wicked. Like 306 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: Christopher Nolan. You watch christa Nolan interview, you'll sleep by 307 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: the end of it. Amazing, But the interviews are whereas 308 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: I'm not that guy. The Book of Clarence is an 309 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: amazing film. We've never seen anything like it. It's easy 310 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 1: to critique something when it's done, but watch it first 311 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: and celebrate cinema. 312 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 4: Amazing film. 313 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 3: And I know people will have reservations at first because 314 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 3: it is a biblical movie. I mean even myself I 315 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 3: had when I first and I'm like, oh, here we go. 316 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 4: I didn't. 317 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 3: I wasn't excited until I've seen it. And when I 318 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 3: seen it, I was super duper excited. I was kind 319 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 3: of mad that I was seeing it on my phone 320 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 3: and laptop at first. So I want to see it 321 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 3: this Friday when it comes to the theaters. The Keith 322 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 3: Stanfield perfect acting for the Potfects. It was to what 323 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 3: made you find him and what made you say he's 324 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 3: the perfect person? 325 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 2: He played that. 326 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 1: I don't. 327 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 4: I don't think there's anybody that could have played better. 328 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 1: Thank you, Envy. Here's what happened. Right I wrote Clarence, 329 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 1: I had no idea I can cast it and I 330 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: was casting for the Harder Day four and the Keith 331 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 1: came on the phone and I was in Mexico. And 332 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 1: during the call, he got a call from his cousin 333 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 1: and he got worried, you're taken aback. So you know 334 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 1: he's speaking to a director and he's in a particular mode. 335 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: Then he's like, Yo, it's my cousin. Man, I got 336 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: I gotta, I gotta go take this call. Somebody probably 337 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 1: got shot. And I heard he ran through all of 338 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 1: these He ran through like a soliloquy of of happenings, 339 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 1: things that happen. Put down the phone, and when you 340 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 1: put on the phone, I called my I called my sister, Tanya. Tanya, 341 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 1: I found Clarence. It's like what I found Clarence, Tania. 342 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 1: This guy has got every single emotion that Clarence has. 343 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: Because Clarence, we don't want to talk about the ending. 344 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 1: But Clarence goes through every single emotion that you possibly 345 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 1: can that that you possibly can go through in that environment, 346 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: and he just possesses everything. Then he came to set 347 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:05,360 Speaker 1: to play to play Cherokee Bill in the Hartiday four. 348 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:08,199 Speaker 1: I was like, this is it. It's him. So on 349 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:11,199 Speaker 1: the last day when we rapped, hugged him, don't go 350 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: too far. I'm coming back. It's something else. And as 351 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 1: soon as we finished with a Holtiday four, I went 352 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 1: straight back. I went straight into the book. If he 353 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:21,120 Speaker 1: didn't want to do the film, I would have shot 354 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: something else. Wow, it was him. It was him. And 355 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 1: I think I'm really dope at finding actors and and 356 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 1: you know, like you know, working with people at that 357 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 1: like Dion Cole in The Hardaday Fall. I gave the 358 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 1: grill and people have never seen Dean Cole and they said, 359 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:41,880 Speaker 1: you cast the old spice guy. I'm from London, I've 360 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: never seen. I just noted, this guy is perfect for 361 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 1: this role. And the Keith Man, he's. 362 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:50,400 Speaker 4: Just killed it. Man, he kills it, he kills it. 363 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 1: It's a real uh toward the force of a performance, 364 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. 365 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 5: You know, Clarence said at one point in the movie 366 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 5: knowledge is stronger than belief, and it made me want 367 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 5: to cut that distinction of knowledge and belief. Did that 368 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 5: influence his pursuit of the truth? 369 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:08,919 Speaker 1: Yeah? Absolutely. You know, the first time he says it, 370 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 1: he says it to the apostles, because you know how 371 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 1: we are Charlemagne that we grew up and our friends 372 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 1: are religious at first, and before we had adopted any faith, 373 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: whether it's Christianity, Muslim five percent, whatever we adopt. At first, 374 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 1: we're looking at our friends, were questioning them, like someone 375 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:33,399 Speaker 1: will be telling me don't drink alcohol while they're smoking 376 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 1: a cigarette. Right, man, you believe in God. If you 377 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 1: knew there was a god, you would not don't be 378 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 1: telling me that cigarettes aren't hara am if you knew 379 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: there was good. Like knowledge is stronger than than then 380 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 1: belief is Clarence is whole, It's whole ethos And you 381 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:53,680 Speaker 1: know that's a that's a motif that've that I've thought 382 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 1: throughout my life. I remember again Mike Tyson fighting Michael 383 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 1: Spinks in that ninety one second massacre. The crazy thing 384 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 1: wasn't the massacre in ninety one seconds. It was what 385 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:06,479 Speaker 1: Tyson done when when he walked back to his corner, 386 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: he just turns around and puts up his hands like 387 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 1: he knew he was gonna win Michael Spink's belief he 388 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:17,639 Speaker 1: could win, Like knowledge is stronger than than belief. What 389 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:21,119 Speaker 1: happens is we have we embark on faith, right, and 390 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: we have belief in something, and then something happens in 391 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 1: our lives and it turns that belief into knowledge, Like 392 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 1: now I know God exists because you can't explain this 393 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 1: stuff that happened. You can't explain the majesty of what 394 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:35,199 Speaker 1: we've just been through. You can't explain how I just 395 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: hold three shots close range. You can't explain how I 396 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 1: got out of this. I know God exists. Right, So 397 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:45,440 Speaker 1: it goes from knowledge to belief. And the beautiful thing 398 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 1: is that's our journey with Clarence. Right, he doesn't have 399 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 1: any belief, and we watch him acquired and knowledge. Right, 400 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 1: we watch them Ghana Ghana faith. I think it's a 401 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 1: really important film. 402 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:01,360 Speaker 5: Also, I gotta ask you something else, but you made 403 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 5: me think about something. Why are you so inspired by 404 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 5: Brooklyn people? You reference my tyson a lot. We know 405 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 5: the relationship with Oh why. 406 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 1: You know what I'm not. I'll say this, i'ven't even 407 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 1: thought of that before. I'm inspired by by humans. I 408 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 1: don't necessarily regard myself as as as I'm English, but 409 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: I was born in English. But the whole planet is mine, 410 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:30,159 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like I am Africa, I 411 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 1: am America, I am the whole planet is mine. Someone 412 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:36,160 Speaker 1: talks about the solar system and how irrelevant we are 413 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: in the solar sitsm I'm like, you're joking when you 414 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 1: tell me about the solar system. I'm like, look at 415 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 1: my galaxy, like I don't know how much time we go. Okay, 416 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: subpeat this me. This is for everyone listening. What I'm 417 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 1: about to say is a heavy thing scientists. I was 418 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 1: watching something the other day. A scientist was talking about, 419 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 1: you know, it takes three hundred and sixty five days 420 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 1: for the Earth to volve around the Sun, and the 421 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,919 Speaker 1: Sun a certain amount of light years to revolve around 422 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 1: the black hole, and the Sun's only like two years 423 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:11,440 Speaker 1: old that in that regard, and it was speaking about 424 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: the ever expansive Solar system, the ever expansive Solar system, 425 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:20,159 Speaker 1: the ever expansive Solar system. Peak this, they said, it 426 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:24,399 Speaker 1: shows how relevant we are, right we think, you know, 427 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:26,719 Speaker 1: we're the center of the universe, going to our mundane 428 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 1: jobs and our thing and worrying about our mundane problems, 429 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,159 Speaker 1: and when you think of it, ever expanding Solar system, 430 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 1: this is all relevant. I looked at that, like, I 431 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 1: can prove to you right now why you're wrong. My 432 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 1: brother because you are the same scientist that tells me 433 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:47,360 Speaker 1: there's no life after this. There's no hereafter, okay, Envy Charlomagne. 434 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 1: If there is no hereafter, that means for everything you 435 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: said about the ever expansive Solar system, it all stops 436 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: right now. If I die, everything you said is irrelevant. 437 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:09,159 Speaker 1: If I die, therefore the center of the solar system. 438 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 1: It's to every single living organism. If you are alive, 439 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: and you are living organism, you are the center of 440 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:18,440 Speaker 1: a solar system because it doesn't exist without you being like, 441 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:22,679 Speaker 1: the solar system can't exist without me being alive for 442 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 1: it to do so, right, we are the center. And 443 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,479 Speaker 1: I honestly believe, like I always say every morning when 444 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 1: I open my eyes, God says action, if you see 445 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 1: life like that, you'll see yourself as much more than 446 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:41,120 Speaker 1: people continuously tell you you are. You know what I mean. 447 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 5: So it makes me wonder, right when you talk about Clarence, 448 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 5: Clarence saw Jesus early on in the movie, and Clarence said, 449 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:54,639 Speaker 5: I want I want that now. Yeah, But what was 450 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 5: that was? Did that the attention was? Did that the 451 00:22:58,119 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 5: knowledge of self? 452 00:22:59,119 --> 00:22:59,879 Speaker 1: The truth? Like? 453 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 4: What was. 454 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 1: The cloud Clarence sees Jesus coming up with the twelve apostles, 455 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:09,119 Speaker 1: protected people in the street climbing around him. This, and 456 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,679 Speaker 1: Clarence saw all the materialistic stuff which a lot of 457 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:18,400 Speaker 1: these preachers around today see a lot of a lot 458 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 1: of preachers today see the Bible as opportunity, right as opportunity, 459 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 1: a mass, humongous amounts of wealth. So Clarence is in 460 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 1: is in the town square with his best friend Elijah. 461 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,919 Speaker 1: He's walking. He sees Jesus coming in and everyone climbering 462 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 1: around him, and he's like, look and they protected. No 463 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: one messes with them, no one messes with him. And 464 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 1: Elijah's like, I want to be like that in ten years. 465 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 1: I want that kind of presence that clars like, I want. 466 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 4: That now right now. 467 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: So at first he wanted all of the wrong things, 468 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:57,360 Speaker 1: all of the wrong things, and he ventures down. 469 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 5: This road and figure it out, and that's when it 470 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:04,160 Speaker 5: becomes like the Mexican belly to me. Remember exactly, okay, exactly, he. 471 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,439 Speaker 1: Was told to kill, to kill, But on that journey 472 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 1: of self discovery and redemption, you know, and that happens 473 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 1: to all of us. We can't tell the story like this, 474 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 1: and we be so dare I say ignorant as to 475 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 1: holler blasphemy as soon as you see a tale. What 476 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:26,119 Speaker 1: should we just tell stories of Jesus Jesus life? You 477 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,439 Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like we have to we have 478 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 1: to firstly, I believe that we belong in those days, right, 479 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 1: but we also have to be able to to look 480 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:43,199 Speaker 1: at the three hundred and sixty degree element of Okay, 481 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 1: here's here's Jesus. But what was all of the things 482 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,440 Speaker 1: around it, especially in that day and time? Like why 483 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 1: is it? Why is it? We've never seen ourselves in 484 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:55,920 Speaker 1: that day in time, in a in a ever in 485 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 1: the history of the moving image. 486 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 3: I gotta ask a question. You might not want to 487 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 3: answer me. You might want to tell me off screen 488 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 3: the homeless person. 489 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 1: Don't give away any spoilers. 490 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 4: Though you did prove me wrong. 491 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:09,359 Speaker 2: I was wrong. 492 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 1: He did prove me wrong. 493 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 2: I don't know if you're wrong. 494 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 5: But Keith shouldn't win an Oscar for this, or at 495 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 5: least be nominated Armagne. 496 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 2: He don't just play Clarence. He plays. 497 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 1: And Thomas in the Bible was a twin. Here's the 498 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 1: thing that is, because you know it's interesting, Like people 499 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 1: don't read the Bible that much they speak about Thomas 500 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,199 Speaker 1: was a twin wright his name Didamus meant twin, so 501 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 1: they were calling him twin all the time, but no 502 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,119 Speaker 1: one ever speaks about whether he had a twin brother 503 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: or the Bible doesn't speak abou whether you have a 504 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 1: twin brother or twin sister. Right, he's just just a twin. 505 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 1: So we didn't even we know him his doubts and Thomas, 506 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,119 Speaker 1: we didn't even know he was a twin. He's actually 507 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 1: a twin. So the so the Book of Clarence is 508 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 1: like my depiction of Thomas's twin brother. 509 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 2: Did he did you have him? 510 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 5: Played Thomas to highlight the polarities within ourselves, yeah, my brother, Okay, exactly. 511 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 1: Right, and the conflicts that we have within our within 512 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 1: our within ourselves, and also you know, just being growing 513 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: up the way we all grew up, right, Like we 514 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,879 Speaker 1: weren't with Charlemagne in South Carolina, but we were with 515 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,439 Speaker 1: you and we're watching you for years, right, so so 516 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,880 Speaker 1: we all grew up the same and we have these 517 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 1: internal conflicts and internal struggles all the time between doing 518 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,920 Speaker 1: right and doing good and also what is actually right 519 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 1: and what is what should I stand and fight or 520 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 1: shall I walk? Away from this one. Right, So so 521 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 1: Thomas shows shows that polarity. But I'm glad you said, 522 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 1: like Lakeith, what you said about la Keith's performance, because 523 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 1: it's amazing. 524 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 4: It was incredible, hands down. 525 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 3: It made me believe every aspect of every character he played, 526 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 3: whether it was his brother, whether it was him at 527 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 3: the or whether it's him, whether he was facing, whether 528 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 3: it's trials and tribulations, the love scene. It made me 529 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,440 Speaker 3: believe to the point where you ever see a movie 530 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,159 Speaker 3: and but like, there's no other person that could have 531 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 3: played that part. 532 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:12,199 Speaker 4: That's what I felt like with that. 533 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know me and keep you had all 534 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 5: little petty issues back and forth in this game, right, 535 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 5: but it's just like he it's serious enough but also 536 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 5: comedic enough. 537 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,640 Speaker 2: To pull off what you did absolutely in this film. 538 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, if that makes sense, exactly, Like he has all 539 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 1: of the all of the oh I'm looking at looking 540 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: more smooth. I'm like, let me just touch my face, 541 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 1: and was looking too smooth over there. I don't even 542 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:38,159 Speaker 1: look off camera. Everybody said, I know she don't have 543 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:39,120 Speaker 1: no lights, dudes. 544 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,239 Speaker 4: I said, no Lightskin Brothers showing me goes. That's why 545 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 4: I loved it. 546 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,680 Speaker 3: There was no light skin Brothers and Biblical. 547 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: Times they came later. 548 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:52,920 Speaker 2: My wife had a question. 549 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,680 Speaker 5: She she was like, what was the logic behind having 550 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 5: Mary Magdalene at the Last Supper but then covering her up? 551 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:04,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, she was, you know, like, I just think I 552 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,639 Speaker 1: wanted to. I wanted to have a Last Supper that 553 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:12,440 Speaker 1: depicted Mary Magdalene because Mary Magdalene was around Jesus lot 554 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 1: and Jesus was the one person that knew. He was 555 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 1: the only person that knew that that was the last Supper. 556 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:25,679 Speaker 1: So I just thought, well, Jesus may have Mary. Jesus 557 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 1: may have Mary there, right, you know he might not, 558 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,399 Speaker 1: but he may have Mary. 559 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 2: Then. 560 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 1: Also, I think that last Supper scene for me is 561 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 1: really important because usually when they showed Judas, they never 562 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 1: ever give gradients to Judas. Judas is just known as 563 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 1: a man that betrayed Jesus. But Judas was chosen to 564 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 1: be one of the apostles. We wouldn't have been Well 565 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 1: maybe it would have, but I don't think I would 566 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 1: have made it into the apostle apostle game the fact 567 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 1: that Judas was there. Judas was probably a good guy 568 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 1: that had done one bad thing. It's not like he 569 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 1: he had a history of evil, right, so I wanted 570 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 1: to I wanted to show his his uh possible reasons 571 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 1: for doing what he because I always say you shouldn't 572 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 1: judge people based off what they do when they're in 573 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: survival mode exactly. 574 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 5: But what about when you do something and this is Judas, 575 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 5: it's Judas Wow. 576 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: So I wanted to show like why he was doing it. 577 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 1: He says in the film, we're revolutionaries, we're not pacifists. 578 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 1: While we fighting. Just show his frustrations, played excellently by 579 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 1: Michael Ward from Tomboy. And also, you know, just to 580 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 1: have these English actors with these American actors and it's 581 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: just an amazing thing. Man. 582 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 3: I was gonna ask, you know, I asked earlier, where 583 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 3: did you shoot that? Because when I watch movies now, 584 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 3: I watch it from a different lens. Right, I watch 585 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 3: it for the movie lens, but I also watch everything 586 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 3: around it, right, and I'm looking at how real it 587 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 3: looks and the time it must take been set directing 588 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 3: Where did you shoot that? 589 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 1: I shot in a material in Italy. It's like the 590 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 1: fourth oldest inhabited city in the world, right, it's thousands 591 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 1: of years old. The caves are still there from when 592 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 1: they were living in caves, and you could do it 593 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 1: aerial three sixty and still be an ancient Jerusalem. Mel 594 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 1: Gibson shot Passion of the Christ there and No Time 595 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 1: to Die, the last James Bond movie. The opening was 596 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 1: shot there. But the city is so amazing. I just 597 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 1: knew that if I have black people ascend on this town, 598 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 1: it's just gonna look like something we've never seen before. 599 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 3: Do you ever have to take something out of a 600 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 3: movie because your mind goes too far? 601 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 4: Like do we have to say, James, when I can't 602 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 4: do that? 603 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 3: I mean just from the horse racing too, everything that 604 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 3: you had in Netflick, from caves and all that, this 605 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 3: is that one thing. 606 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 4: They'd be like, James, we just can't do that. 607 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,479 Speaker 1: No, I mean not in this movie with the Heart 608 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 1: of day Fall. It was a couple couple of times 609 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 1: where people were like, Okay, James, you can't do this, 610 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 1: So you can can't do that. But I never I 611 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 1: never take it out, no way, Okay. In the beginning 612 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 1: of the Holiday four, they have a shootout in the 613 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 1: canyon right with a Crimson hood gang. They're all in 614 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 1: pink hoods and the guy kills a horse. Bang. They're like, 615 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 1: you can't kill a fake horse. James. You know, can't 616 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 1: kill a fake horse. It's a fake horse. Not but James, 617 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 1: you can't do that. With all the movies I've seen 618 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 1: with horses get mrked. They said no, I said, really, 619 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 1: but Tarantino could decapitate black people's I'm just saying, like 620 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 1: with the N word over a hundred times in one movie, 621 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 1: you get upset when I kill a fake horse. That 622 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 1: fake horse is going to get merked twice, and I'm 623 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 1: leaving it and I'm leaving in there, or then stop 624 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 1: them from doing that because I'm more offended I'm being 625 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 1: called the N word a billion times then a fake horse. 626 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 1: No horses were harmed during a holiday four. So there 627 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 1: is and I in this. So there is things that 628 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 1: sometimes you kind of bump up, bump up against. As 629 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 1: a creator, I create from a from a good place. 630 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 1: And also I think my track record shows that the 631 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 1: art that I give the world they're not getting from 632 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 1: anyone else. So therefore, man, you're welcome, Just enjoy your 633 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 1: majestic and oheens supreme. Let me do me there, you 634 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 1: know what I mean. 635 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 2: I got a bunch more questions but I don't want 636 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 2: to give away. 637 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,959 Speaker 3: That's the problem, like so many questions you have, that's 638 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 3: why we have to do this again. 639 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I would say based on just subject matter. 640 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 5: Because you did mention Passion of the Christ, how would 641 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 5: you say the Book of Clarence differs from the Passion 642 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 5: of the Christ. 643 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 1: Well, the Passion of Christ is the story of Jesus 644 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:49,280 Speaker 1: right of his last days. The Book of Clarence isn't 645 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 1: the story of Jesus at all, is it not? Though 646 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 1: that's what we wonder, is it not? Is I like 647 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 1: that you said it because you've seen it. You've seen it, 648 00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:02,080 Speaker 1: so it's probably the sory of the God in us right. 649 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 1: But what I wanted to do with the Book of 650 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:09,960 Speaker 1: Clarence was making a movie that resembled the environment that 651 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:11,600 Speaker 1: I grew up in. You know, growing up I watched 652 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,920 Speaker 1: Ben Herd, The Tank, Commandments, Crow Vartist, Samson, and Delilah 653 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 1: the Rogue, the greatest story ever told. But I never 654 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 1: know no one that looks like yul Brynner as the 655 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 1: Pharaoh in Egypt. I never know no one that looks 656 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 1: like Charlton Heston. Charlton Heston had a brutal kind of 657 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,400 Speaker 1: good looking, dudebut brutal kind of face. When he says, 658 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,960 Speaker 1: get your paws off me, you damn dirty ape. You 659 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 1: can see the apes be like, Wow, you're being really racist. 660 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 1: We were just capturing you. You're actually taking it to 661 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 1: new levels. I never related to what they were showing me, 662 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:44,480 Speaker 1: even though we were familiar with some of the stories, 663 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 1: and never related to the depiction of those stories or 664 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 1: those people in those in those stories. I wanted to 665 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,320 Speaker 1: shoot to tell a story of the environment that I 666 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:58,400 Speaker 1: grew up, grew up in. Charlemagne's name is Charlemagne the God. 667 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 1: It's from the hood and South Carolina, like we grew 668 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 1: up with with gods like peace, Peace to the God, 669 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 1: Peace to the God. That's how we grow I wanted 670 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 1: to I wanted to tell that story, but transpose it 671 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:13,239 Speaker 1: two thousand years prior to show how little times have 672 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 1: changed and how much in common we have with that 673 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,719 Speaker 1: with that era. So it's really the story. The Book 674 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 1: of Clarence is really the story of an everyman right 675 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 1: and every man who finds faith finds redemption, whereas the 676 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 1: Passion of Christ is a story of Jesus per ses 677 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 1: like page is taken from the from the Bible. These 678 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 1: are more like you. 679 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,080 Speaker 5: Always could be, you always could be the real story, 680 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,399 Speaker 5: because it's like we all know Jesus was black, right, 681 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,680 Speaker 5: and they would never tell us if he really was. 682 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,440 Speaker 5: We know how to colonize it works, So how do 683 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 5: we know the Book of claris is it the actual 684 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 5: story of Jesus? 685 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 2: When people saw that story and said no, no, no, this 686 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:54,279 Speaker 2: is gonna be the image. 687 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:55,960 Speaker 1: Of it, though, just for every run at home, Charlemagne 688 00:34:56,040 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 1: said that I didn't. I'm like the record, No, Charlotta Mayne, 689 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:02,520 Speaker 1: You're absolutely wrong. 690 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,440 Speaker 2: But but I mean, you know, you. 691 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:10,759 Speaker 1: Know those ones. If the celluloid chow fits the Book 692 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,560 Speaker 1: of Clarence is it's I mean it's a it's a 693 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:13,360 Speaker 1: layered film. 694 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,720 Speaker 4: And you score everything yourself, say you score everything yourself. 695 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,760 Speaker 1: I do the entire score. I composed the entire score myself. 696 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 1: That yeah. I write and produce every single song in 697 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:28,000 Speaker 1: the soundtrack. And I write, produce, and perform. Unlike the 698 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:32,680 Speaker 1: Holiday four, where I did a slew of various artists, 699 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 1: this one I perform every song, but with various artists. 700 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 1: But the soundtrack is amazing. The Holtiday Fall soundtrack won 701 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:43,359 Speaker 1: every award that wasn't racist, and and and I think 702 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,919 Speaker 1: the BET Awards just got amnesia, Like you didn't even 703 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:49,080 Speaker 1: nominate the Holiday four for nothing. Okay, I don't make 704 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:53,080 Speaker 1: I don't make art for hardware. But the Booker Clarence soundtrack, 705 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,560 Speaker 1: which released Friday same day as a movie, is the 706 00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:00,800 Speaker 1: hardest soundtrack on the planet. It's like myself of Deanel. 707 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:02,560 Speaker 1: I got D'Angelo and jay Z on the same track. 708 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:03,239 Speaker 1: How did that happen? 709 00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 4: You gotta you gotta break that down. 710 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:12,560 Speaker 1: Few seconds because it's just biblical, soulful bliss. You remember 711 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,680 Speaker 1: the joints. I was like, I'm not doing a radio 712 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 1: edit for this joint is. 713 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:19,600 Speaker 4: Thanks James, I'm gonna have to do it myself. 714 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:20,080 Speaker 1: Forget it. 715 00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,799 Speaker 5: Thank you give me the DJ Envy edit. 716 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:26,479 Speaker 1: It's just that good. 717 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:28,719 Speaker 2: How long is jay Z's verse? If the song is 718 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:29,560 Speaker 2: nine minutes. 719 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 1: Jay Z's it's not one of those ones like God did. Okay, 720 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:36,919 Speaker 1: He's like spoken speaking on it. He's not like rapping these, Okay, 721 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,840 Speaker 1: he's not rhyming these. He's like he's just talking on 722 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,799 Speaker 1: it like a He just comes in and floats and 723 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:49,799 Speaker 1: di'angelo goes in. So it's it's uh it's it's just 724 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,800 Speaker 1: that good. As you know. George Benjore on the soundtrack 725 00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,280 Speaker 1: eighty four years Old, He's a guy that sings oh 726 00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:02,800 Speaker 1: horry yuh oh well uh does you cat on a 727 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,399 Speaker 1: soundtrack on the same song as Kodak Black Wow and 728 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,600 Speaker 1: then Charlemagne Wow. They go in. 729 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:10,640 Speaker 2: I love both of them. 730 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 1: Kodak goes in wow. Those are goes in like the 731 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:21,000 Speaker 1: soundtrack is. Here's the thing. I'm so glad I'm saying 732 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,520 Speaker 1: this on a breakfast club man. No matter how dope 733 00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:28,000 Speaker 1: a director is and a composer is, Sergio Leon and 734 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:32,600 Speaker 1: your Morricane, Steven Spielberg and John Williams right, Alfred Hitchcock, 735 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:37,799 Speaker 1: Bernard Herman, whoever it is, there's always a handoff, Like 736 00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:41,480 Speaker 1: filmmaking is handing the baton to Like, Okay, I'm directed 737 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,759 Speaker 1: the film, you hand the baton to the composer. As 738 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,319 Speaker 1: a James, I can always feel the handoff where the 739 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:52,120 Speaker 1: director stops and the composer starts. I can always feel it, 740 00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:56,279 Speaker 1: no matter how beautifully in sync they are, I can 741 00:37:56,320 --> 00:38:00,279 Speaker 1: always feel it. When you're watching the James film, you'll 742 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:05,279 Speaker 1: hear the the net Love. You'll see net Love riding 743 00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:09,480 Speaker 1: his horse to Barrington Levy, an original Barrington Levy song, 744 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:14,879 Speaker 1: right Jane Jan He'll get off his horse and walk 745 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,200 Speaker 1: into a saloon, and that song will turn into a 746 00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:23,080 Speaker 1: saloon version. The song would stop and he'll be whistling it. Right. 747 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,120 Speaker 1: Because I compose everything, So I compose the music as 748 00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,239 Speaker 1: I'm writing the script, and I write the songs as 749 00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,880 Speaker 1: i'm writing the writing the script. So the song speak 750 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,680 Speaker 1: to the score and speak to directly what's happening in 751 00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:37,080 Speaker 1: the scenes. So there's no handoff. You can't feel any handoff. 752 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:41,080 Speaker 1: Everything is kind of one continuous wave, so to speak. 753 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,840 Speaker 1: And it's a beautiful thing to create like that. And 754 00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:47,080 Speaker 1: that's why I always compose my compose my scores and 755 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,359 Speaker 1: just hear things different Yeah, just hear things differently. I 756 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,840 Speaker 1: hear like you'll be saying something, I'll hear the melody 757 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,360 Speaker 1: in it, and I'll take that melody in make it 758 00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:59,280 Speaker 1: in songs. The songs aren't Composers don't write around speech. 759 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,440 Speaker 1: But I'll take your speech pattern. The first time you 760 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:06,200 Speaker 1: see the whole boat, right, the first time you see 761 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,759 Speaker 1: the whole bow. When he talks every word he says, 762 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:13,759 Speaker 1: there's a flute playing over his voice, but you don't 763 00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:17,440 Speaker 1: necessarily get that, but with James Samuel film you get that. 764 00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:23,240 Speaker 1: You get one continuous wave between visual and your sonics. 765 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,440 Speaker 1: I always say that I see, I see music, and 766 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,160 Speaker 1: I hear film. 767 00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:30,440 Speaker 5: You took black people to the Old West, you took 768 00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:31,640 Speaker 5: black people to the New Testament. 769 00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,120 Speaker 2: Where you're taking us next, it's next. 770 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:35,719 Speaker 1: I don't know, like, well, I know what we're doing. 771 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,200 Speaker 1: Next is is? I've kind of held it under my hat. 772 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:43,360 Speaker 1: But eventually, though, we have to go to space. We 773 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,840 Speaker 1: have to, we have to. We have to go to space, 774 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:51,240 Speaker 1: like I'll go to all the genres, right, all the genres, 775 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,399 Speaker 1: and I have something like modern day, which is which 776 00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:58,640 Speaker 1: is absolutely crazy. But eventually we have to go to 777 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,040 Speaker 1: we have to go to space like we we deserve 778 00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:05,000 Speaker 1: to be in these in these places. I also think 779 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,600 Speaker 1: that you know as a kid, where we were given 780 00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,000 Speaker 1: all the genres, but we were never given black people 781 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:14,760 Speaker 1: in them. That we're never given black like imagine imagine 782 00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:21,520 Speaker 1: the road that you walked to end up in Charlemagne 783 00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:28,080 Speaker 1: the God. Having never seen no visual reference in entertainment 784 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,960 Speaker 1: that you are that you know what I mean, Like 785 00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:39,239 Speaker 1: you you never see no visual reference saying Charlemagne's Oh 786 00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:43,560 Speaker 1: my god, you've never seen it. We've never had it, 787 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,640 Speaker 1: So you would have to go through all the learnings 788 00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:49,080 Speaker 1: and all the spiritual growth that you've been through to 789 00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:49,760 Speaker 1: get to that place. 790 00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:54,840 Speaker 5: Take elements from everything, teaching exactly everything. 791 00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:56,880 Speaker 1: But the one thing we didn't get like that when 792 00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:58,719 Speaker 1: people talk about where did you first see black people 793 00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:03,719 Speaker 1: in the Old West? Marley a Symphony, the first time 794 00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,359 Speaker 1: I saw black people in the Old West? Kumo these 795 00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,799 Speaker 1: wild wild West. Don't don't don't. The first time I've 796 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,480 Speaker 1: seen black people in the Old West. That's the only 797 00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,359 Speaker 1: reference I had because before then, even if you showed 798 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:18,400 Speaker 1: me bucking the Preacher with Sidney Ponte and Haley Harry Belafonte, 799 00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:23,400 Speaker 1: it's like to one black cowboy and white overseas. Everything 800 00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,759 Speaker 1: always involved white overseas and a couple of blacks, like, 801 00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:29,279 Speaker 1: we just never had it. We never had it. We 802 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,280 Speaker 1: never seen black people in the Bible days. Wow. 803 00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:33,320 Speaker 4: Well, I'm excited for you guys to go out and 804 00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:33,759 Speaker 4: check out this. 805 00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:35,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, man, this is one of the ones you gotta 806 00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:36,200 Speaker 2: go to the theater. 807 00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,000 Speaker 5: It's not too many films that get me out the 808 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:40,799 Speaker 5: house to want to go sit in a movie theater. 809 00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:42,879 Speaker 2: This is one of the ones you gotta go sit 810 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:44,479 Speaker 2: and watch in the movie theater. 811 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,640 Speaker 1: You have to. You have to, man, you have to. 812 00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:50,359 Speaker 1: It's a it's a pleasure being on the breakfast club 813 00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:54,560 Speaker 1: and speaking to this to the audience that you you know, 814 00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,799 Speaker 1: that you've amassed over the over the years and telling 815 00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:59,800 Speaker 1: them about the book Clarence Man, like, this is the 816 00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:05,480 Speaker 1: best movie of its kind ever literally ever. So before 817 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:11,200 Speaker 1: you know you holler blasphemy, really just watch the film first, 818 00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:14,040 Speaker 1: like it doesn't blasphere me, you know it really it 819 00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:17,000 Speaker 1: really respects, respects faith. You're not going to come out 820 00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,360 Speaker 1: this movie question in your faith, but if you're a 821 00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,720 Speaker 1: non believer, you may come out of this movie question 822 00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,120 Speaker 1: and your non belief. Yeah, you know what I mean, 823 00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,240 Speaker 1: it may come out this movie question in your number belief. 824 00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:29,680 Speaker 1: But right it's you know, it's a beautiful film and 825 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:31,840 Speaker 1: it's a film that we all have to have to 826 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,040 Speaker 1: I think watch. It's the first movie that everyone can 827 00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,400 Speaker 1: recognize the environment, even if you're white, you can recognize 828 00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,800 Speaker 1: this environment. It's environment you drive by every day, whatever 829 00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:43,319 Speaker 1: you know, whatever color you are. And it's a movie 830 00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,960 Speaker 1: that most importantly we deserve. We deserve this film. You 831 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:47,399 Speaker 1: know what I mean? 832 00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,360 Speaker 3: So well, The Book of Clarence comes out this Friday, 833 00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:51,440 Speaker 3: January twelfth. 834 00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:53,719 Speaker 4: James Samuel, we appreciate you for joining us, brother. 835 00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,799 Speaker 1: I appreciate you for having me. Charlemagne a black god, 836 00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:00,360 Speaker 1: old leader, black god, bagey and. 837 00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,200 Speaker 4: There's no bays in black. 838 00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:07,360 Speaker 1: But I promise you everything in the in the next installment. No, 839 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:12,160 Speaker 1: I'll make things a little dark to get light broad. 840 00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,360 Speaker 1: You know the crazy thing I'll say this Jesus is 841 00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,799 Speaker 1: kind of you know, he's played by Nicholas Pinok in 842 00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:20,400 Speaker 1: this movie and a dope actor. And I know Nicholas 843 00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,520 Speaker 1: well from London. I know Nicholas from from from Road 844 00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,680 Speaker 1: and I didn't want to cast Nicholas. I was gonna 845 00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,480 Speaker 1: cast him as something else, one of the other apostles. 846 00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,719 Speaker 1: And he came and he just read for Jesus and 847 00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:31,480 Speaker 1: he was just kind. 848 00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,960 Speaker 2: Of don't say no more, hold on sonnt come back. 849 00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:39,320 Speaker 4: We got to have a conversation. 850 00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:42,799 Speaker 3: To brise you guys are not going to be here 851 00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:44,719 Speaker 3: for this conversation, but you know you got to come 852 00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:46,399 Speaker 3: back up when we could talk about it in depth. 853 00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:47,760 Speaker 4: It's the breakfast club, good morning 854 00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:51,240 Speaker 1: Wake that answer up In the morning, the Breakfast Club