Speaker 1: Warning today's episode Candy's spoilers for the fifth episode of
Speaker 1: the excellent new season of X Men ninety seven. Be warned. Hello,
Speaker 1: my name is Jason Exceptino and I'm Rosy Night, and
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Speaker 2: Lustners on today's episode, Guys, this is maybe one of
Speaker 2: the craziest episode seasons of TV if you're an X
Speaker 2: Men fan that has ever existed.
Speaker 1: It began very dense and lore heavy.
Speaker 2: We talked about some of the crazy polls and it's
Speaker 2: only getting crazier. If you live for an Easter egg.
Speaker 2: If you want to be pausing that TV and saying,
Speaker 2: oh my god, is that really question Mark, then you
Speaker 2: are gonna love this episode. We teased it when we
Speaker 2: were talking about the titles, and this is episode five
Speaker 2: Weapon x Lies and DVDs. If you are an X
Speaker 2: Men fan or an x ray Vision listener, you will
Speaker 2: know that's a reference.
Speaker 1: Let's get into it. Okay. Episode five picks up after
Speaker 1: the post credits of episode four, So remember Wolverine has
Speaker 1: no adamantium after the events of season one when he
Speaker 1: poked Magneto and Magneto got really mad and ripped all
Speaker 1: his adamantium ount. Yes, so now Wolverine has decided that
Speaker 1: for secret reasons of his own, we are soon discover
Speaker 1: that he needs to take out a revamped WEAPONX project
Speaker 1: that apparently has spun up somewhere. Yeah, so he reunites
Speaker 1: his He finds this information out from Captain America, who
Speaker 1: is like, hey, is Can really dangerous? You shouldn't get
Speaker 1: Logan's like, I'm gonna do it. So he pulls together
Speaker 1: and this the pulling together of this team needs its
Speaker 1: own episode. So he pulls together his original CIA backed
Speaker 1: Weapon X team when he was a full memory wiped
Speaker 1: government operative and it is Graden Creed Sabertooth YEP, which
Speaker 1: is crazy. I guess he just like called him on
Speaker 1: the phone. Broro called him and was like, I need
Speaker 1: you for this.
Speaker 2: They don't, Yeah, they don't, Like they just kind of
Speaker 2: hint that that's his joker.
Speaker 1: There's this morphe is obviously there.
Speaker 2: So there's this great kind of banter where he gets
Speaker 2: to have the meta commentary of the fan. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean this is a crazy team. Also Jason Lady
Speaker 2: death Strike. We love to see Yuko's.
Speaker 1: Old flame slash something the relationship. Very average. Lady death
Speaker 1: Strike aka Eureko.
Speaker 2: Gotta say, uh friend of the pod rika Ish voices
Speaker 2: Eureko in this episode. So we've had her on the show,
Speaker 2: We've had him on the show, and uh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just absolutely loved this representation. Also much more comic accurate.
Speaker 2: In the movies, she's often sexier. They reimagine the nails.
Speaker 2: But this is a really freaky, kind of like X
Speaker 2: Men comics weird team and I love that.
Speaker 1: And then two of the kind of less well known
Speaker 1: but if you were a comics fan at the time,
Speaker 1: very fun inclusions Maverick Christopher Nord, who is a They
Speaker 1: never really get into it in the comics, but the
Speaker 1: suggestion is his like mom and dad were like Nazis
Speaker 1: that fled and somehow that became part of the precursored
Speaker 1: weapon X Anyway, he.
Speaker 2: Is sometimes it's Communism, sometimes it's Nazis, just depending on
Speaker 2: much question right.
Speaker 1: And he's a mutant who can absorb energy kinetic energy,
Speaker 1: much like uh, you know, Sebastian Charlavacking and was later
Speaker 1: implanted through Weapon X with a kind of low level
Speaker 1: healing factor. And then Kane, Garrison Kane, who has like
Speaker 1: a Elvis type greaser haircut and has like cybernetic bionic lens. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I want to say, this is like such a crazy
Speaker 2: time to be us and to be our Age because
Speaker 2: you know, with Maverick you're talking about a frickin Larry
Speaker 2: Harmer and Mark Silvestri creation. This is like legendary eighties
Speaker 2: and nineties shit here, and Garrison Kane is a fucking
Speaker 2: Fabian Nachenzenbroubleifeld X force creation like this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is pure.
Speaker 2: Crazy to see this on TV in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1: This is the stuff we grew up reading.
Speaker 2: This is the stuff that made X Men the biggest
Speaker 2: selling comic in the world, and.
Speaker 1: It is so surreal to see it here.
Speaker 2: And what I love is the way that they use
Speaker 2: Morph as the kind of in commentary character who makes
Speaker 2: these kind of quipi statements about Wolverine's relationships with each
Speaker 2: of the characters to fill in people who don't know
Speaker 2: the law.
Speaker 1: It's really well done. So they fly out to the
Speaker 1: WEAPONEX facility and there's that banter you talk about with
Speaker 1: morph basically saying, like, how weird it is that Logan
Speaker 1: has assembled this group that includes like his ex girlfriend
Speaker 1: Lady death Strike, who's tried to kill him multiple times,
Speaker 1: including in the original X Men the animated series, and
Speaker 1: of course Sabertooth, who you mentioned. It is like the
Speaker 1: yin to his yang. They hate each other, they can't
Speaker 1: live without each other, blah blah blah blah blah. They
Speaker 1: both have kids who are toxic. Like, it's very, very weird.
Speaker 1: So they arrive at the facility there there via plane crash,
Speaker 1: like these mutated birds crash their plane. King immediately dies,
Speaker 1: which is perfect. It's yeah, right, it's like so sad
Speaker 1: but soaperfect. He's the let. He's kind of like the
Speaker 1: least of all of these extended characters, even if you
Speaker 1: extend them out to like Phantom X and all the
Speaker 1: other weird ones that are associated with us. Perfect that
Speaker 1: Cane doesn't live, So the survivors fight their way down
Speaker 1: into the complex. They find Cornelius, and from Cornelius they
Speaker 1: get what WEBINX was up to. So Cornelius is like, yes,
Speaker 1: he does a standard villain monologue and he's like, so
Speaker 1: the problem with WEAPONX previously, which went on for decades,
Speaker 1: is we could just never wipe your minds enough, Like
Speaker 1: we tried really hard to wipe your minds, but somebody
Speaker 1: would always remain, and that caused a lot of instability
Speaker 1: in the program and we lost control of the program.
Speaker 1: And so we discovered a way to potentially create complete
Speaker 1: mind control, and that's by using the brains of the Brood,
Speaker 1: the crazy species called the Brood, which is of course
Speaker 1: based on the movie series Aliens, although I don't think
Speaker 1: Marvel has ever truly talked about.
Speaker 2: That and say it's Zeitgeist dcing is Chris Clabon at
Speaker 2: Dave cockrob created them like three years off the Alien
Speaker 2: like I think we did.
Speaker 1: It is pretty clear. And so the coded the Brood
Speaker 1: operate on a hive mined communication system, so like the
Speaker 1: Queen and all her soldiers just operate on this kind
Speaker 1: of like neural net. And so doctor Cornelius is like,
Speaker 1: if we could figure out a way to use the
Speaker 1: Brood's brains to be part of Weapon X, and we
Speaker 1: could create fully controllable WEAPONX soldiers. So the team splits up.
Speaker 1: Of course, Cornelius is already infected with the Brood and
Speaker 1: so they this is like part of the reveal. The
Speaker 1: team splits up Logan and Maverick head one, Morph and
Speaker 1: Lady death Strike and Sabertooth go another way. We see
Speaker 1: via the second group, Morph, Death Strike and Sabertooth. They
Speaker 1: go to like an office where they find very interestingly
Speaker 1: like a rack of DVDs labeled with many names of
Speaker 1: folks associated with with this program. And there's some doozies
Speaker 1: in here. We see X twenty three Laura, we love it, Ajax,
Speaker 1: Aurora Phantom X, which is a it will become an
Speaker 1: increasingly important one and it makes me wonder if we're
Speaker 1: gonna see Phantom X in X Men ninety seven. At
Speaker 1: some point it was like with Crazy.
Speaker 2: This many episodes left, like we still have four episodes
Speaker 2: I don't and everything we've seen, and how quickly they
Speaker 2: just intro the brew Toso was so huge in the comics,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't put anything aside.
Speaker 1: At this point, anything could happen Winter Soldier, so y yay.
Speaker 1: Apparently Weapon X stretched all the way to Soviet Russia
Speaker 1: and somehow there were links there, so very interesting there.
Speaker 1: Maybe they maybe they like collaborated with the Soviet Union
Speaker 1: on like the memory wipe technology. Who knows this is?
Speaker 1: That's very interesting. Mastodon silver Fox, who is Wolverine's first
Speaker 1: girlfriend indigenous Canadian woman.
Speaker 2: He's such a lothario. I mean he is the short
Speaker 2: king Blueprint. Let's be real. This man was like five
Speaker 2: foot two in the nineties and two hundred comics and
Speaker 2: every go on a top sex with them, including all
Speaker 2: the women in the X Men, apparently maybe not Jane
Speaker 2: Gray enough as he would want.
Speaker 1: We see also Kestrel, who is the codename of John Wraith.
Speaker 1: There is Weapon six, yep Worm and Slugo, who are
Speaker 1: both very very obscure WEAPONX rejects from I believe Joe
Speaker 1: Kelly's Deadpool run, which is like a crazy.
Speaker 2: Guy coded uh Slugo because also it's like a fucking
Speaker 2: Nanzy reference and.
Speaker 1: I love Nazi, but yeah, you're absolutely right.
Speaker 2: It was really like he's a He's another Fabian creation originally,
Speaker 2: but he is probably best known for the the Deadpool
Speaker 2: stuff and drawn by one of my all time faves, originally,
Speaker 2: Greg Coppolo.
Speaker 1: We love him. He's the best. Weapon six, who is
Speaker 1: in early it's like the the Weapon X era between
Speaker 1: Captain America, who is canonically Weapon one and Wolverine who
Speaker 1: is Weapon X ten. So Weapon is six is like
Speaker 1: the middle between Capa and Wolverine when they like had
Speaker 1: when they revealed had figured it out, you know. And
Speaker 1: then finally they end up watching a Weapon eighteen's DVD.
Speaker 1: So Weapon eighteen, I guess is closer to where Cornelius
Speaker 1: was currently and it contains Cornelius's recordings and as he's
Speaker 1: kind of like walking them through the late series, kind
Speaker 1: of like Weapon X designations. So they find out that
Speaker 1: the brood, They find out about the brood, the hive mind,
Speaker 1: the shared psyche, the imperative survive to survive, and they
Speaker 1: discover through watching this DVD that, of course Conductor Corlews
Speaker 1: cocked it up. You can't show the brood the fucking
Speaker 1: and well, first of all, the brood. They wanted to
Speaker 1: implant the brood with adamantium, but it didn't work, no
Speaker 1: brood hosts, so they were merging the brood, infecting people
Speaker 1: with the brood infection, and none of them ever survived
Speaker 1: the adamant bonding process. And then of course they they
Speaker 1: got they lost control more than does the math, a
Speaker 1: hive that hunts for a stronger host is going to
Speaker 1: ignore people. It's gonna hunt them for the strongest among
Speaker 1: them and try and bond with whoever that is. And
Speaker 1: just as that's happening, Logan and Maverick are under attack,
Speaker 1: Maverick dies and by the time the others reached the
Speaker 1: Adamantium chamber, Wolverine has been infected. This is canonical. Is
Speaker 1: an Uncanny X Men Marx Silvestr era police.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and we get a full Mark Silvestry Uncanny
Speaker 2: X Men cover, the famous Brood cover.
Speaker 1: There's a full homage to it.
Speaker 2: I also want to say, this is again like very
Speaker 2: specific fan service for kids who grew up in the nineties,
Speaker 2: but it.
Speaker 1: Is really crazy. I can see this like purple and
Speaker 1: green cover like on my stack of comics.
Speaker 2: And and also like the kind of wild wolverine you know,
Speaker 2: and he's got the brood. And also there is this
Speaker 2: great moment here that I did wonder if it was
Speaker 2: going to lead to something else along the line with
Speaker 2: Magneto adamantium, because all the other weapon Xes are so
Speaker 2: shocked when they see Wolverine's bone claws and they're like,
Speaker 2: wait a minute, you can us the adamantium process. And
Speaker 2: I thought that was really interesting because I've always thought
Speaker 2: wouldn't they try and do that with Magneto at least?
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, there's just so many fun moments here,
Speaker 2: and it's so Mark Silvestri and we even get like
Speaker 2: one of the ultimate nineties characters in the kind of
Speaker 2: big action sequence that comes next.
Speaker 1: So during the fight, first of all, they discover that
Speaker 1: Omega Reed is like in a test tube in the
Speaker 1: room and appears to be I mean, he's he's I
Speaker 1: believe immortal, so like he's definitely alive in there. And
Speaker 1: during the fight with uh with Brood Logan, the two
Speaker 1: cracks and of course Omega Ribes comes out, and now
Speaker 1: you have to fight Omega Reed crazy and everybody there's
Speaker 1: like a big argument. Sabertooth is like I'm leaving. Morpho
Speaker 1: is like, no, we have to save Logan. Oh, he
Speaker 1: doesn't want to leave him behind. He doesn't want to
Speaker 1: leave him behind. But the thing is everybody has kind
Speaker 1: of come to the conclusion. They've all figured out that
Speaker 1: the Logan lied to them. He told everybody, Hey, we're
Speaker 1: gonna go and once and for all like wipe out
Speaker 1: Doctor Cornelius and Weapon X. Really what Wolverine was doing.
Speaker 1: They figure out was he was coming here to try
Speaker 1: to get his adamantium back. Well, that's how they eventually
Speaker 1: end up taking out or reversing Wolverine's brood process. They
Speaker 1: lure him into the adamantium chamber. Morph hits the button,
Speaker 1: the syringes go in, the adamantium is pumped into wolverine
Speaker 1: molten adamantium. It kills the brood infection, and Wolverine emerges
Speaker 1: now readamantemized. He fights Omegared and they win. So they
Speaker 1: beat Omegared, with Wolverine saying I'm back, baby, I'm the best.
Speaker 2: Yeah, John Wick, they were really like he said I'm
Speaker 2: back baby.
Speaker 1: Literally he said baby, I'm back. And they go to
Speaker 1: fly away and as they're flying home, Morph is very
Speaker 1: quiet and hurt, clearly because because he's disappointed that Wolverine
Speaker 1: lied to him, and he tries to say to Wolverine,
Speaker 1: you know, you don't have to be this like demented
Speaker 1: killer all the time, and he's like, but that's what
Speaker 1: I'm best at. And oh, very very sad stuff. Let's
Speaker 1: take a quick break and then we'll come back and
Speaker 1: discuss this insane episode and also to discuss that we
Speaker 1: were right, like we've ever been more right. We've never
Speaker 1: been more right.
Speaker 2: And I do want to say I want to shout
Speaker 2: out our sweet friends in the discord who did question
Speaker 2: maybe we've seen the head.
Speaker 1: No, we were just made for this.
Speaker 2: Like this literally was the series that me and Jason
Speaker 2: Will tested and made for in the WEAPONEX facility.
Speaker 1: So let's come back and talk about it. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: we were back wonderful easter eggs in this episode. The
Speaker 1: whole episode is almost an Easter egg with the inclusion
Speaker 1: of Maverick and who I can like when I I
Speaker 1: as I was watching it, I was like picturing the
Speaker 1: life field. Mm hmmm, of course, Like it's like the
Speaker 1: flat mask play it everything, Yeah, no feet, very funny,
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, the humor.
Speaker 2: I wonder I'm interested to see how that is gonna
Speaker 2: land with people because I think this, like we've talked about,
Speaker 2: this season has been very in depth, very low heavy,
Speaker 2: very dense. This is very fun It's zingy from the moment.
Speaker 2: I mean it opens basically with a straight Predator homage,
Speaker 2: which makes sense because it's very action movie inspired and
Speaker 2: obviously Alien Predator, all those kind of connective tissues here,
Speaker 2: but like they want you to know, this is a
Speaker 2: funny episode. This is an episode for in jokes, This
Speaker 2: is an episode for banter. This is an episode for
Speaker 2: the kind of questions that you and your friends ask
Speaker 2: in comic shops, get an ast, you know, And I
Speaker 2: love those kind of episodes. But it is a bit
Speaker 2: of a tone shift after everything we've seen, especially with
Speaker 2: Satin Death, et cetera. So I'm interested to see how
Speaker 2: it lands. But I had a lot of fun with it.
Speaker 1: This is one of those This gave me that comic
Speaker 1: book feeling Like when I was a kid reading these,
Speaker 1: I'd always wonder like what are they, how do they?
Speaker 1: What are they do in their downtime? Like what's going on?
Speaker 1: And this is one of those where I'm like, how
Speaker 1: does Wolverine call Leady death strike Maverick Caine saber Tooth
Speaker 1: and he's like a toss eggs, come back, get get
Speaker 1: together and how to and what is going on in
Speaker 1: I mean, this is like one of those things I
Speaker 1: feel like I need to know, like what is going
Speaker 1: on in mutant culture? That saber Tooth is just like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm not working for mister Sinister, right now I guess
Speaker 1: I'll do it, Like what is he got? I missed
Speaker 1: the sinister collar though I can't lie, you.
Speaker 2: Know, I I think a lot about this episode as
Speaker 2: exactly like you say, essentially almost like one of those
Speaker 2: X Men softball episode uh comics, you know, baseball softball
Speaker 2: depending on which area you're reading. But like, we always
Speaker 2: just want to see them play fucking baseball. That's the
Speaker 2: American pastime. Like let them go outside and play it.
Speaker 2: We want to know who is flirting with who. We
Speaker 2: want to know who has a good fastball. We want
Speaker 2: to know who's gonna use their powers, and we want
Speaker 2: to see Scott get annoyed that nobody's in the war room,
Speaker 2: so he shoots the ball with his fucking laser eyes. Okay,
Speaker 2: and I know they're not laser eyes, guys, but let's
Speaker 2: not get into the optic blasts. But like this gives
Speaker 2: that same energy. But you're right, I would have loved
Speaker 2: there to be a little bit more space and time
Speaker 2: for a bit more soap op pery, Like does he
Speaker 2: have a group chat that would be funny?
Speaker 1: Did he have to send it? I could ask the
Speaker 1: professor or Gene to like send a mind more to
Speaker 1: either is the question. I know that. I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't think he would because he doesn't want them knowing what. Okay,
Speaker 1: so you know what I could imagine him doing.
Speaker 2: Again, Let's talk about how this could have had an
Speaker 2: extra episode if we were lucky.
Speaker 1: That would have been called getting the Team.
Speaker 2: Back together, because I can't imagine Wolverine basically just like
Speaker 2: slugging it out to every shitty dive bar and you
Speaker 2: know John Wick esque spy hub and fucking you know,
Speaker 2: going to some like dive bar in Madrapoor again with
Speaker 2: the lucky suit, Like, I could imagine that he kind
Speaker 2: of had to scavenge to find them.
Speaker 1: Which would have been fun and very logan coded. Shouldn't
Speaker 1: shouldn't saber Tooth be in some sort of high security prison? Like,
Speaker 1: it's crazy that he's just.
Speaker 2: Me The recidivism issues in both Marvel and DC are
Speaker 2: extremely icy.
Speaker 1: He's an actual serial killer. It's pretty crazy that he's
Speaker 1: just like running around. I know, you gotta ask what's
Speaker 1: going on in society. Let's talk about the DVDs. Oh,
Speaker 1: really really great ones there and obviously this is this
Speaker 1: series is titled X Men ninety seven one. Wonders if
Speaker 1: at some point they're going to call it like X
Speaker 1: Men two thousand and two, or or if you're just
Speaker 1: going to take you very interested, because it already feels
Speaker 1: like they are. I mean, listen the if we're I
Speaker 1: think we're right about the Danger episode Danger egge. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that is what two thousand, two thousand are already like out.
Speaker 2: Of the saying right, I think we're getting into that astonishing.
Speaker 2: We know that they were taken from new in season
Speaker 2: one because that's obviously psychic effect.
Speaker 1: We love it, We've talked about it. We love repressed Scott.
Speaker 2: I'm really interested as well because also X twenty three
Speaker 2: they keep mentioning, how they keep mentioning how obviously she
Speaker 2: was in x X Men Evolution.
Speaker 1: We love Laura Kinney, She's our babe.
Speaker 2: We know that that she was back in Deadpool, you know,
Speaker 2: the incredible Daphne Keane version. I think that they are
Speaker 2: hinting to us like we're really going to be in
Speaker 2: the Zeros and Hens soon.
Speaker 1: But also they are.
Speaker 2: There are names here that are also vintage X Men
Speaker 2: characters like Aurora yes.
Speaker 1: You know a seventy nine clam On and Bun Jean
Speaker 1: Mary Bobo of Alpha Flight, who Logan was once a
Speaker 1: member of the team who had and who also has
Speaker 1: ties to Weapon X, which was like a joint US
Speaker 1: Canadian like it was a US Defense Department project, but
Speaker 1: the project took place on Canadian soil. This is after
Speaker 1: the retcon. It was originally a Canadian project, right, And
Speaker 1: then we discover that it because Captain America is Weapon one,
Speaker 1: that there are clear like American Defense Department links And
Speaker 1: then if if Winter Soldier is part of this program,
Speaker 1: then it tells you that actually there's like a vast
Speaker 1: conspiracy going on. It's giving I'm not gonna lie, Yeah,
Speaker 1: amongst the world's like top scienceists who have no morals, well,
Speaker 1: to create a super Soldier force.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, it makes sense if you think
Speaker 2: about it, because so much of the heart of the
Speaker 2: mcu is and and Marvel Comics in general is people
Speaker 2: trying to replicate the Super Soldier serum. But I do
Speaker 2: think it's very interesting to see them directly connect it
Speaker 2: to many international characters. But you know, Jason, one of
Speaker 2: the things we first ever bonded over was Giant Size
Speaker 2: X Men, which was this reimagining of X Men. Is
Speaker 2: an international team and this list of DVDs and the
Speaker 2: way that they are presenting all the different teams here,
Speaker 2: I feel like they're really leaning into that aspect.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so too, So I would expect we'll
Speaker 1: see X twenty three at some point. Mm hmmm. Phantom X.
Speaker 1: So Phantom X, oh baby is a Grant Morrison creation,
Speaker 1: So already again we're already this is pre astonishing, But
Speaker 1: in my opinion, the true like peak of Phantom X
Speaker 1: didn't happen un till like mid twenty tens X Force.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I was gonna this is also like two
Speaker 2: thousand and two, so you already got like this is
Speaker 2: grand and I Gore Cordy. This is with like you know,
Speaker 2: Chris Pachalloa, this is the end span of New X
Speaker 2: Men as well. So I think you're right that this
Speaker 2: is grand introducing cool stuff, but the character itself doesn't
Speaker 2: really become the character we all know until way later.
Speaker 1: So Phantom X is like a really really weird character
Speaker 1: who has a nervous system outside of his body that
Speaker 1: is like autonomous that he refers to as EVA. It's
Speaker 1: like a ship outside of his body, and they have
Speaker 1: this weird, almost romantic symbiotic relationship. So and you know,
Speaker 1: if Eva is damaged, then he experienced in his pain.
Speaker 1: If phantom X gets hurt, Eva experiences pain. Very very weird.
Speaker 1: He's like a basically like a super spy hand to
Speaker 1: hand combat. He is the bunch of guns. He wears
Speaker 1: a fedora, and he wears a special suit that has
Speaker 1: like can project hologram. Yeah, it can block telepathy. Super
Speaker 1: super weird character that honestly, I hope we see it.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, Jason, this makes me so happy
Speaker 2: because this is peak weird Grant ship. But it's also
Speaker 2: peak weird comic book nerd shit because phantom Ax is
Speaker 2: almost certainly inspired by this Italian comic book called Diaboli.
Speaker 1: And then that's the movie Danger.
Speaker 2: Diabolique, which is like you can find it on Canopy
Speaker 2: and stuff. That's the movie where you have phantoms as
Speaker 2: this kind of like crazy character who create who plans
Speaker 2: heists for his girlfriend whose name is Eva. So like these,
Speaker 2: it's like such a weird like euro comics influencing American
Speaker 2: comics influenced by cinema, and it also suits Grant's kind
Speaker 2: of vision for each story being a way of reintroducing
Speaker 2: like a folkloric hero to the public consciousness.
Speaker 1: He fucked Hope Summers didn't.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that is one of the craziest things.
Speaker 2: But like mental like psychics, Yes, psychic, I believe that
Speaker 2: may have happened.
Speaker 1: Shockingly, I would also say phantom ax. He also has.
Speaker 2: One of the weirdest origin stories where he is basically
Speaker 2: created as like a super sentinel, but he ends up
Speaker 2: becoming this kind of weird sentinel sentient human uh creation
Speaker 2: because his mother is fertilized by nano machines and then
Speaker 2: he is essentially like created and raised like a VR world.
Speaker 1: So anyway, he's always talking about his nights. Is the daughter,
Speaker 1: of course of Cyclops and Gene, who is prophesied to
Speaker 1: save the mutant Racis is. When the mutants had been
Speaker 1: decimated down to like whatever the one hundred and forty
Speaker 1: eight or one hundred and forty seven, whatever the number was,
Speaker 1: Hope Summers appears. It's prophecy that she will bring the
Speaker 1: mutants back. She then goes to an alternatimension for whatever
Speaker 1: it is, fifteen years so that she can grow up
Speaker 1: off page and come back immediately like at age nineteen twenty.
Speaker 1: And it's unclear for a long time like exactly what
Speaker 1: her power set is, so I think, so here is.
Speaker 1: I found the blurb and I very dimly remember this.
Speaker 2: This is from the Seispurias stuff, right, and like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean side I Love Course volume four, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: here is the here it is.
Speaker 1: When Hope was rendered comatose after an attack by the
Speaker 1: arms dealer Volga, Cable kept her under medical care. Cable
Speaker 1: raised her in the alternate dimension. By the way, Cable
Speaker 1: kept her under medical care in his latest ex force facility.
Speaker 1: After Cable rescued a brain dead mutant named Meme from Voga,
Speaker 1: Hope copied memes power to control and interact with technology
Speaker 1: and poses her to fight alongside the team. Trapped in
Speaker 1: her body, Hope found release in interacting with technology. As
Speaker 1: teammates Phantom X had nanits in his brain, they could
Speaker 1: connect too pleasurable results, so she proposed that they have
Speaker 1: cyber sex. Phantom X took her up on the offer,
Speaker 1: and they had relations for a time until Phantom X
Speaker 1: ends up. Until Phantom X ends up ends things with
Speaker 1: no explanation. Well that's very phantom X.
Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, I mean he's like a human sentinel hybrid
Speaker 2: for a Jason.
Speaker 1: I love and he also fought like Doctor Mystery. What
Speaker 1: was that guy, Dr Nemesis? Yeah, you think he also
Speaker 1: kisses doctor anyway. I mean that is a crazy era.
Speaker 2: It was part of old New novel Now, so everyone
Speaker 2: was allowed to be gay and it was very honey.
Speaker 2: I was a big fan of that era. I think
Speaker 2: that's like a Rocky Kim and Jwaii Melina stuff as well.
Speaker 2: So this is like, that's a no joke Pol James.
Speaker 1: And that was shades of shades of obsessions. So apparently Hope,
Speaker 1: trying to understand why Phantom X had broke it off,
Speaker 1: hacked his nanites uh h, only to discover that I
Speaker 1: guess it drove him insane since his body had recently
Speaker 1: been split into three entities, the ship and something else.
Speaker 1: So Phantom X accidentally kills Hope by purging her from
Speaker 1: his mind, and then revealed that he'd been using Hope
Speaker 1: in order to steal a digital form of the vulgar
Speaker 1: virus she was carrying. This is crazy. Sh x wers
Speaker 1: at this period was so, I mean, the X Men
Speaker 1: are insane.
Speaker 2: I gotta say, guys, you don't understand how many of
Speaker 2: the X Men problems are doubt to somebody fucking someone else.
Speaker 1: I sweat to god, Like.
Speaker 2: When you start talking about it, you're like, wait a minute,
Speaker 2: how did this happen? You're like, oh, somebody had sex
Speaker 2: with the computza. Okay, that makes it. Somebody had a
Speaker 2: psychic affect, which one. Come on, guys, this is you.
Speaker 2: Guys are messy. They need like hr at the.
Speaker 1: X mentioned anyway. I really do hope that they include
Speaker 1: phantom X at some point. The next episode is titled
Speaker 1: danger Ex.
Speaker 2: Yes, let's talk about that because we've been on a
Speaker 2: we were right, Tad, Jason, the bell is ringing.
Speaker 1: Let's absolutely talk about danger Ex. Do you want to
Speaker 1: go to a break and then come back and do something.
Speaker 1: Let's take a quick break and we'll be right back
Speaker 1: to preview that episode. We think we are predicted and
Speaker 1: we're back, so again to stress, we only recently got
Speaker 1: the second screeners the back half of X Men ninety
Speaker 1: seven season two.
Speaker 2: And we record what episode, we watch it, and then
Speaker 2: we record the episode. So we have watched right now
Speaker 2: episode five.
Speaker 1: Absolutely we're right and listen just based on just based
Speaker 1: on the title, this doesn't take that much skill to
Speaker 1: for it. So I think they want us to know,
Speaker 1: I think so too. So this is like either the
Speaker 1: second or third arc in Joss Whedon. Yeah, Vo Whedon
Speaker 1: and Cassidy's Astonishing x Men, which which was an x
Speaker 1: Men I highly recommended, you know, whatever you think of
Speaker 1: Joss Whedon, this is a really great series. It was marred,
Speaker 1: as many many quality comics in Marvel World were at
Speaker 1: the time, by like insane delays. Oh well, so insane covers.
Speaker 2: This has some of the coversiest, twentiest covers you've ever
Speaker 2: seen as it.
Speaker 1: Covers are fantastic. So the idea was that they would
Speaker 1: create it was basically like an alternate It wasn't in
Speaker 1: six one six like it was X Men stories that
Speaker 1: kind of took from the Grant Morrison era, which had
Speaker 1: been kind of they had kind of immediately pivoted in
Speaker 1: the six one six away from the Grant Morriston stuff.
Speaker 1: It was too weird, and so Weedon wanted to pick
Speaker 1: that back up, and so Astonishing was was an x
Speaker 1: Men line that was happening parallel to the original, to
Speaker 1: the actual X Men ongoings. There was no interaction, there
Speaker 1: was no connection to the rest of the MCU, And
Speaker 1: because of that, I think because of not having to
Speaker 1: carry that weight. I think a lot of it was
Speaker 1: really great. Mm hmm. Danger is the third arc, and
Speaker 1: in that arc we discover that the Danger Room at
Speaker 1: some point had come alive. It was based on Shire technology,
Speaker 1: so very very advanced technology. Yeah, and that from basically
Speaker 1: day one, almost day one, like from the beginning of
Speaker 1: the X Men. It like shortly after they turned on
Speaker 1: the hardware for the very first time, Charles knew that
Speaker 1: it was sentient.
Speaker 2: And hitter the whole time. Hit it from the hit it,
Speaker 2: from the school. She was essentially and I mean.
Speaker 1: This is so Joss Whedon.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie, but she has is driven to
Speaker 2: almost like suicide because of this, Like he drives her
Speaker 2: insane by keeping her essentially trapped in solitary confinement and
Speaker 2: using her as a teacher for these kids who never
Speaker 2: know that she is essentially a teammate.
Speaker 1: So she eventually breaks for you one day. And of
Speaker 1: course she knows all of the X Men's weaknesses because
Speaker 1: she's been training them for years and years and years,
Speaker 1: and she takes her revenge luring them. I forget exactly
Speaker 1: how she gets them to the ruins of Jenosha, which
Speaker 1: is now just like a desolate island filled with like
Speaker 1: skeletons and like destroyed buildings, but she fights them there somehow.
Speaker 1: I forget how she gets them there. Oh, anyway, that's honestly,
Speaker 1: there's some very bleak stuff.
Speaker 2: There's basically like a kid that she kind of manipulates
Speaker 2: into some really like into a really sad death, and
Speaker 2: that gives her freedom within the cry protections.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's wing.
Speaker 2: She the protections of the room are them voided, and
Speaker 2: she can essentially defeat them and then and then take
Speaker 2: them to Janosha to kill press, you know, Xavia.
Speaker 1: So I obviously are we gonna get all of that?
Speaker 2: I don't know, but but to get a chunk is
Speaker 2: gonna be crazy, Jason, So.
Speaker 1: I'm guessing we're gonna get that. And do you think
Speaker 1: that means we're gonna get zor question Mark. I know
Speaker 1: we're not gonna get Zorn is too weird. I don't
Speaker 1: think we ever get Zorn in this series. I think
Speaker 1: it's too much. Yeah, I get that, but yeah, that
Speaker 1: would be that's too much. And if we're already doing danger,
Speaker 1: then we're never gonna get Zorm.
Speaker 2: Like we're feel like that's yeah, pass already passed it,
Speaker 2: or maybe that is something they want to do in
Speaker 2: season four or whatever.
Speaker 1: So for those of you not up to date on
Speaker 1: who are not versed in the Grant Morrison era X Men,
Speaker 1: Zorn was a mysterious character who like had this mask
Speaker 1: and was a very powerful mutant and appeared in the
Speaker 1: X Men's orbit and there was a lot of who
Speaker 1: is Orn? Who is Orn? Who is Orn? Yeah, it
Speaker 1: turns out Zorne was Magneto, who was trying to just
Speaker 1: show the X Men from the inside, and spoiler alert,
Speaker 1: Magneo's dead right now, So I'm just saying he could
Speaker 1: be making a comeback. I'm just saying, but I don't
Speaker 1: think they're gonna do that.
Speaker 2: But I love that we can ask that. Jason, like,
Speaker 2: that's how crazy these polls are.
Speaker 1: Well, wait, Magneto was dead at that time. That's why
Speaker 1: I'm saying, So, Okay, you know it's possible, Okay, possible.
Speaker 2: Danger ex biggest moment character, something you're hoping to see
Speaker 2: in the next episode, knowing what we know, as we
Speaker 2: consider that this is probably what it's going to focus on.
Speaker 1: I think that my biggest note is, like, obviously there's
Speaker 1: a lot of X Men stuff happening off screen with
Speaker 1: Wolverine to being able to assemble this team and different
Speaker 1: teams spread over different collections of heroes, like operating under
Speaker 1: the X Men banner. Mm hmmm in different places. And
Speaker 1: so we haven't caught up with Charles ever since the
Speaker 1: death of Magneto. Where's he been? And I would I
Speaker 1: guess I would want I would expect that Danger ex
Speaker 1: would set up the next phase of Charles's grand plan
Speaker 1: whatever it is, like this make clothes, We're not doing
Speaker 1: the school anymore? What do we And obviously, like the
Speaker 1: Danger Room rebelling against him is like the last, the
Speaker 1: very last, like final piece of the link to the
Speaker 1: past that the school era is like completely distrue. So
Speaker 1: what happens next is my question. I love that.
Speaker 2: I would also say as well, I'm very interested in
Speaker 2: kind of what happens in the finale. Do we get
Speaker 2: a moment where Charles says, you know, to me my
Speaker 2: ex man or to me my mute and kind and
Speaker 2: we see all these different teams come together, like it
Speaker 2: feels like they've been seating it for that right, Like
Speaker 2: it seems we have really struggled in the live action
Speaker 2: because of the nature of how many characters there are,
Speaker 2: there's only ever been one or two true moments like
Speaker 2: in Endgame where you really feel like you're opening a
Speaker 2: double page spread and seeing a superhero team fight because
Speaker 2: there's a hundred of them, right, Like.
Speaker 1: We don't often think about Civil War.
Speaker 2: It's an incredible fight at the airport, but it's not
Speaker 2: what it looked like in the books because there's six
Speaker 2: characters on each team. Do we get a finale fight
Speaker 2: that sees all these different X Men teams fight together
Speaker 2: in one of those big kind of double page spread moments.
Speaker 1: I think so, I hope. So. The action has been
Speaker 1: fantastic to this point, like continues to be top notch.
Speaker 1: The Omega Red fight was awesome, seriously, Wolverine, even though
Speaker 1: you understood it was gonna work. Wolverine getting his clawseback
Speaker 1: was awesome.
Speaker 2: Nerve wrecking two, Jason, Is there anything obviously we've seen
Speaker 2: Wolverine do, like some really cool shit we saw him
Speaker 2: in one and Gambit do that like psychic fossible special?
Speaker 1: Is there a move or like.
Speaker 2: A crazy power that we haven't seen yet from one
Speaker 2: of these characters that you would love to see in
Speaker 2: the last few episodes.
Speaker 1: I don't think we're gonna get in the last few episodes,
Speaker 1: but I will say I do think we're gonna do
Speaker 1: Krakoa in some form, which means we're gonna have to
Speaker 1: introduce a whole bunch of new young mutants who are
Speaker 1: theoretically like around right, they could they might be around right,
Speaker 1: including gold Balls, including Hope Summers, who's you know, the
Speaker 1: prophecy is finally fulfilled in the Krakoa era with her
Speaker 1: role in basically mutant immortality. And so I think I
Speaker 1: do think we're going there. I think whether it's I
Speaker 1: don't think it will be this season. I mean, but
Speaker 1: I would not be surprised if three or four would
Speaker 1: be pretty incredible. Yeah, I would not be surprised if
Speaker 1: at the end of next season the mutants have evolved
Speaker 1: to a place where they're like, you know, none of
Speaker 1: this is working. We're trying integration to varying degrees. We've
Speaker 1: tried separatism, We've tried doing our own thing. We've tried
Speaker 1: being part of the human world. We've tried floating, Yeah,
Speaker 1: being in an alliance with the human world. Now we
Speaker 1: understand that like, none of that is. We've tried ruling
Speaker 1: ourselves through like competing models, right, there was the Magneto model,
Speaker 1: and then there's the Charles Xavier model, and there's like
Speaker 1: the evil Mutants mystique model like like, but basically all
Speaker 1: of those mutant governance models say like, we will patrol
Speaker 1: our own like if there's justice to be meted out
Speaker 1: to mutants. First of all, we don't want mutants to
Speaker 1: do terrible things to humanity, but if they do, we'll
Speaker 1: job to just it's our job to take care of it.
Speaker 1: You will not take care of it.
Speaker 2: You do not.
Speaker 1: Humans do not meet out justice to mutants. So I
Speaker 1: think through that process we will get to a place
Speaker 1: by maybe the end of next season where the mutants
Speaker 1: are like, let's just create our let's just find our
Speaker 1: own place and found our own nation. We tried it
Speaker 1: with Genosha, Yeah, but this time, let's do it in
Speaker 1: a way that is that they dare not attack us. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: I think that that's what it is.
Speaker 2: And also just narratively it makes sense, but visually I
Speaker 2: also think this show and the kind of really streamlined
Speaker 2: beautiful versions of the characters we've gotten, like the Emma
Speaker 2: Frost representation, the well the Gene Gray and sorry I
Speaker 2: should have said Madeline prior, but with that Emma Frost
Speaker 2: kind of version and then the Emma Frost.
Speaker 1: We did get. It's very healthier Gala Krakoa.
Speaker 2: Era influenced, Like we're already getting the looks, so I
Speaker 2: can't imagine how appealing it would be to actually get
Speaker 2: to bring that story to life. And also, guys, we
Speaker 2: haven't really talked about it a lot. This could be
Speaker 2: a cool episode, so let us know if this is
Speaker 2: the kind of thing you would want, But we've never
Speaker 2: really done a deep dive, Like the lore in that
Speaker 2: stuff is so crazy that I actually do think this
Speaker 2: really dense, law heavy episode sort of soft launches people
Speaker 2: into the idea of plant eggs that can birth mutants,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Like, if people are into
Speaker 2: this season, I think they can do Krakoa and people
Speaker 2: will be into it.
Speaker 1: We also have to figure out, like there's the tension
Speaker 1: between the Charles Xavier mutant teams and the government backed
Speaker 1: X Force team. What's gonna happen with that. It feels
Speaker 1: like you can either have one or the other, so
Speaker 1: there needs to be some kind of showdown with them
Speaker 1: at some point on the next episode of extra Vision.
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