WEBVTT - X-Men '97 S2E05: "Weapon X, Lies and DVDs" 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:05.320 Warning today's episode Candy's spoilers for the fifth episode of 0:00:05.320 --> 0:00:26.280 the excellent new season of X Men ninety seven. Be warned. Hello, 0:00:26.600 --> 0:00:30.000 my name is Jason Exceptino and I'm Rosy Night, and 0:00:30.040 --> 0:00:32.440 welcome back to Extra Vision, the podcast where we dive deep. 0:00:32.440 --> 0:00:34.480 It's your favorite shows, movies, comics, and pop culture coming 0:00:34.520 --> 0:00:36.199 from my heart, where we're bringing you through episodes a week. 0:00:37.479 --> 0:00:41.720 Lustners on today's episode, Guys, this is maybe one of 0:00:41.760 --> 0:00:44.600 the craziest episode seasons of TV if you're an X 0:00:44.640 --> 0:00:46.200 Men fan that has ever existed. 0:00:46.680 --> 0:00:48.520 It began very dense and lore heavy. 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:50.599 We talked about some of the crazy polls and it's 0:00:50.600 --> 0:00:53.120 only getting crazier. If you live for an Easter egg. 0:00:53.200 --> 0:00:55.800 If you want to be pausing that TV and saying, 0:00:55.840 --> 0:00:59.400 oh my god, is that really question Mark, then you 0:00:59.400 --> 0:01:02.520 are gonna love this episode. We teased it when we 0:01:02.520 --> 0:01:06.080 were talking about the titles, and this is episode five 0:01:06.200 --> 0:01:08.840 Weapon x Lies and DVDs. If you are an X 0:01:08.920 --> 0:01:11.200 Men fan or an x ray Vision listener, you will 0:01:11.200 --> 0:01:12.120 know that's a reference. 0:01:12.440 --> 0:01:21.640 Let's get into it. Okay. Episode five picks up after 0:01:21.800 --> 0:01:25.920 the post credits of episode four, So remember Wolverine has 0:01:26.000 --> 0:01:30.360 no adamantium after the events of season one when he 0:01:32.120 --> 0:01:35.560 poked Magneto and Magneto got really mad and ripped all 0:01:35.560 --> 0:01:40.720 his adamantium ount. Yes, so now Wolverine has decided that 0:01:41.800 --> 0:01:45.040 for secret reasons of his own, we are soon discover 0:01:45.800 --> 0:01:50.600 that he needs to take out a revamped WEAPONX project 0:01:50.600 --> 0:01:54.880 that apparently has spun up somewhere. Yeah, so he reunites 0:01:55.200 --> 0:01:59.040 his He finds this information out from Captain America, who 0:01:59.120 --> 0:02:01.240 is like, hey, is Can really dangerous? You shouldn't get 0:02:02.520 --> 0:02:06.040 Logan's like, I'm gonna do it. So he pulls together 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:09.240 and this the pulling together of this team needs its 0:02:09.240 --> 0:02:14.920 own episode. So he pulls together his original CIA backed 0:02:15.320 --> 0:02:19.440 Weapon X team when he was a full memory wiped 0:02:19.880 --> 0:02:24.440 government operative and it is Graden Creed Sabertooth YEP, which 0:02:24.480 --> 0:02:25.959 is crazy. I guess he just like called him on 0:02:26.000 --> 0:02:29.239 the phone. Broro called him and was like, I need 0:02:29.280 --> 0:02:29.840 you for this. 0:02:30.240 --> 0:02:33.000 They don't, Yeah, they don't, Like they just kind of 0:02:33.080 --> 0:02:34.480 hint that that's his joker. 0:02:34.520 --> 0:02:36.200 There's this morphe is obviously there. 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:38.800 So there's this great kind of banter where he gets 0:02:38.800 --> 0:02:41.600 to have the meta commentary of the fan. But yeah, 0:02:41.639 --> 0:02:45.240 I mean this is a crazy team. Also Jason Lady 0:02:45.320 --> 0:02:48.639 death Strike. We love to see Yuko's. 0:02:48.000 --> 0:02:53.840 Old flame slash something the relationship. Very average. Lady death 0:02:53.880 --> 0:02:55.560 Strike aka Eureko. 0:02:55.520 --> 0:02:59.359 Gotta say, uh friend of the pod rika Ish voices 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:02.520 Eureko in this episode. So we've had her on the show, 0:03:02.760 --> 0:03:05.280 We've had him on the show, and uh. 0:03:05.000 --> 0:03:10.119 Yeah, just absolutely loved this representation. Also much more comic accurate. 0:03:10.200 --> 0:03:13.359 In the movies, she's often sexier. They reimagine the nails. 0:03:13.440 --> 0:03:15.920 But this is a really freaky, kind of like X 0:03:16.000 --> 0:03:18.680 Men comics weird team and I love that. 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:23.640 And then two of the kind of less well known 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:26.360 but if you were a comics fan at the time, 0:03:28.280 --> 0:03:33.919 very fun inclusions Maverick Christopher Nord, who is a They 0:03:33.960 --> 0:03:35.760 never really get into it in the comics, but the 0:03:35.800 --> 0:03:39.000 suggestion is his like mom and dad were like Nazis 0:03:39.040 --> 0:03:44.640 that fled and somehow that became part of the precursored 0:03:44.720 --> 0:03:46.440 weapon X Anyway, he. 0:03:46.400 --> 0:03:50.880 Is sometimes it's Communism, sometimes it's Nazis, just depending on 0:03:51.040 --> 0:03:51.960 much question right. 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:57.440 And he's a mutant who can absorb energy kinetic energy, 0:03:57.600 --> 0:04:03.600 much like uh, you know, Sebastian Charlavacking and was later 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:09.080 implanted through Weapon X with a kind of low level 0:04:09.320 --> 0:04:15.800 healing factor. And then Kane, Garrison Kane, who has like 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:24.559 a Elvis type greaser haircut and has like cybernetic bionic lens. Yeah. 0:04:24.760 --> 0:04:27.560 I want to say, this is like such a crazy 0:04:27.640 --> 0:04:30.640 time to be us and to be our Age because 0:04:31.360 --> 0:04:35.240 you know, with Maverick you're talking about a frickin Larry 0:04:35.279 --> 0:04:39.560 Harmer and Mark Silvestri creation. This is like legendary eighties 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:42.760 and nineties shit here, and Garrison Kane is a fucking 0:04:42.800 --> 0:04:46.440 Fabian Nachenzenbroubleifeld X force creation like this. 0:04:46.920 --> 0:04:47.880 Yeah, this is pure. 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:53.560 Crazy to see this on TV in twenty twenty six. 0:04:53.680 --> 0:04:55.200 This is the stuff we grew up reading. 0:04:55.200 --> 0:04:57.239 This is the stuff that made X Men the biggest 0:04:57.240 --> 0:04:58.840 selling comic in the world, and. 0:04:58.760 --> 0:05:00.560 It is so surreal to see it here. 0:05:00.920 --> 0:05:02.880 And what I love is the way that they use 0:05:03.000 --> 0:05:08.159 Morph as the kind of in commentary character who makes 0:05:08.640 --> 0:05:11.919 these kind of quipi statements about Wolverine's relationships with each 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:14.680 of the characters to fill in people who don't know 0:05:14.720 --> 0:05:15.120 the law. 0:05:15.320 --> 0:05:18.640 It's really well done. So they fly out to the 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:21.479 WEAPONEX facility and there's that banter you talk about with 0:05:21.600 --> 0:05:26.720 morph basically saying, like, how weird it is that Logan 0:05:26.839 --> 0:05:30.600 has assembled this group that includes like his ex girlfriend 0:05:30.680 --> 0:05:33.000 Lady death Strike, who's tried to kill him multiple times, 0:05:33.440 --> 0:05:38.200 including in the original X Men the animated series, and 0:05:38.240 --> 0:05:41.919 of course Sabertooth, who you mentioned. It is like the 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:44.599 yin to his yang. They hate each other, they can't 0:05:44.600 --> 0:05:47.000 live without each other, blah blah blah blah blah. They 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:50.719 both have kids who are toxic. Like, it's very, very weird. 0:05:51.240 --> 0:05:56.120 So they arrive at the facility there there via plane crash, 0:05:56.240 --> 0:06:01.119 like these mutated birds crash their plane. King immediately dies, 0:06:01.200 --> 0:06:05.279 which is perfect. It's yeah, right, it's like so sad 0:06:05.400 --> 0:06:09.400 but soaperfect. He's the let. He's kind of like the 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:12.960 least of all of these extended characters, even if you 0:06:13.000 --> 0:06:15.200 extend them out to like Phantom X and all the 0:06:15.240 --> 0:06:18.279 other weird ones that are associated with us. Perfect that 0:06:18.360 --> 0:06:21.760 Cane doesn't live, So the survivors fight their way down 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:27.000 into the complex. They find Cornelius, and from Cornelius they 0:06:27.040 --> 0:06:29.880 get what WEBINX was up to. So Cornelius is like, yes, 0:06:30.240 --> 0:06:33.600 he does a standard villain monologue and he's like, so 0:06:33.680 --> 0:06:37.279 the problem with WEAPONX previously, which went on for decades, 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:40.320 is we could just never wipe your minds enough, Like 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:43.560 we tried really hard to wipe your minds, but somebody 0:06:43.640 --> 0:06:47.280 would always remain, and that caused a lot of instability 0:06:47.279 --> 0:06:49.160 in the program and we lost control of the program. 0:06:49.480 --> 0:06:55.320 And so we discovered a way to potentially create complete 0:06:55.440 --> 0:07:01.280 mind control, and that's by using the brains of the Brood, 0:07:01.400 --> 0:07:05.159 the crazy species called the Brood, which is of course 0:07:05.200 --> 0:07:08.960 based on the movie series Aliens, although I don't think 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:11.680 Marvel has ever truly talked about. 0:07:11.400 --> 0:07:15.520 That and say it's Zeitgeist dcing is Chris Clabon at 0:07:15.560 --> 0:07:18.280 Dave cockrob created them like three years off the Alien 0:07:18.360 --> 0:07:19.120 like I think we did. 0:07:19.720 --> 0:07:24.120 It is pretty clear. And so the coded the Brood 0:07:24.320 --> 0:07:28.360 operate on a hive mined communication system, so like the 0:07:28.440 --> 0:07:33.080 Queen and all her soldiers just operate on this kind 0:07:33.120 --> 0:07:36.240 of like neural net. And so doctor Cornelius is like, 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:38.960 if we could figure out a way to use the 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:43.320 Brood's brains to be part of Weapon X, and we 0:07:43.360 --> 0:07:50.520 could create fully controllable WEAPONX soldiers. So the team splits up. 0:07:51.680 --> 0:07:54.960 Of course, Cornelius is already infected with the Brood and 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:57.280 so they this is like part of the reveal. The 0:07:57.280 --> 0:08:00.680 team splits up Logan and Maverick head one, Morph and 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:06.720 Lady death Strike and Sabertooth go another way. We see 0:08:07.000 --> 0:08:10.040 via the second group, Morph, Death Strike and Sabertooth. They 0:08:10.040 --> 0:08:13.720 go to like an office where they find very interestingly 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:20.160 like a rack of DVDs labeled with many names of 0:08:21.120 --> 0:08:27.200 folks associated with with this program. And there's some doozies 0:08:27.240 --> 0:08:31.040 in here. We see X twenty three Laura, we love it, Ajax, 0:08:31.680 --> 0:08:35.680 Aurora Phantom X, which is a it will become an 0:08:35.720 --> 0:08:37.920 increasingly important one and it makes me wonder if we're 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:40.640 gonna see Phantom X in X Men ninety seven. At 0:08:40.679 --> 0:08:43.319 some point it was like with Crazy. 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:46.640 This many episodes left, like we still have four episodes 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:49.640 I don't and everything we've seen, and how quickly they 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:52.360 just intro the brew Toso was so huge in the comics, 0:08:52.600 --> 0:08:55.080 I wouldn't put anything aside. 0:08:55.120 --> 0:08:59.400 At this point, anything could happen Winter Soldier, so y yay. 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:04.320 Apparently Weapon X stretched all the way to Soviet Russia 0:09:05.000 --> 0:09:08.120 and somehow there were links there, so very interesting there. 0:09:08.720 --> 0:09:14.040 Maybe they maybe they like collaborated with the Soviet Union 0:09:14.080 --> 0:09:16.679 on like the memory wipe technology. Who knows this is? 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:22.520 That's very interesting. Mastodon silver Fox, who is Wolverine's first 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:25.040 girlfriend indigenous Canadian woman. 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:30.120 He's such a lothario. I mean he is the short 0:09:30.200 --> 0:09:32.760 king Blueprint. Let's be real. This man was like five 0:09:32.840 --> 0:09:36.120 foot two in the nineties and two hundred comics and 0:09:36.240 --> 0:09:38.480 every go on a top sex with them, including all 0:09:38.559 --> 0:09:41.560 the women in the X Men, apparently maybe not Jane 0:09:41.600 --> 0:09:42.960 Gray enough as he would want. 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:49.080 We see also Kestrel, who is the codename of John Wraith. 0:09:49.760 --> 0:09:54.559 There is Weapon six, yep Worm and Slugo, who are 0:09:54.600 --> 0:10:00.200 both very very obscure WEAPONX rejects from I believe Joe 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:04.000 Kelly's Deadpool run, which is like a crazy. 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:09.199 Guy coded uh Slugo because also it's like a fucking 0:10:09.320 --> 0:10:10.400 Nanzy reference and. 0:10:10.360 --> 0:10:12.880 I love Nazi, but yeah, you're absolutely right. 0:10:12.920 --> 0:10:16.839 It was really like he's a He's another Fabian creation originally, 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:19.120 but he is probably best known for the the Deadpool 0:10:19.120 --> 0:10:23.000 stuff and drawn by one of my all time faves, originally, 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:23.920 Greg Coppolo. 0:10:24.120 --> 0:10:28.120 We love him. He's the best. Weapon six, who is 0:10:28.160 --> 0:10:33.120 in early it's like the the Weapon X era between 0:10:33.640 --> 0:10:37.880 Captain America, who is canonically Weapon one and Wolverine who 0:10:37.920 --> 0:10:40.520 is Weapon X ten. So Weapon is six is like 0:10:40.679 --> 0:10:44.319 the middle between Capa and Wolverine when they like had 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:49.120 when they revealed had figured it out, you know. And 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:54.319 then finally they end up watching a Weapon eighteen's DVD. 0:10:54.600 --> 0:10:58.720 So Weapon eighteen, I guess is closer to where Cornelius 0:10:58.800 --> 0:11:04.640 was currently and it contains Cornelius's recordings and as he's 0:11:04.720 --> 0:11:07.640 kind of like walking them through the late series, kind 0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:13.400 of like Weapon X designations. So they find out that 0:11:13.520 --> 0:11:15.720 the brood, They find out about the brood, the hive mind, 0:11:15.840 --> 0:11:21.040 the shared psyche, the imperative survive to survive, and they 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:25.319 discover through watching this DVD that, of course Conductor Corlews 0:11:25.960 --> 0:11:29.400 cocked it up. You can't show the brood the fucking 0:11:29.880 --> 0:11:34.160 and well, first of all, the brood. They wanted to 0:11:34.200 --> 0:11:38.160 implant the brood with adamantium, but it didn't work, no 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:41.560 brood hosts, so they were merging the brood, infecting people 0:11:41.600 --> 0:11:45.440 with the brood infection, and none of them ever survived 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:48.959 the adamant bonding process. And then of course they they 0:11:48.960 --> 0:11:54.000 got they lost control more than does the math, a 0:11:54.080 --> 0:11:56.439 hive that hunts for a stronger host is going to 0:11:56.559 --> 0:12:01.240 ignore people. It's gonna hunt them for the strongest among 0:12:01.320 --> 0:12:05.400 them and try and bond with whoever that is. And 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:08.600 just as that's happening, Logan and Maverick are under attack, 0:12:09.360 --> 0:12:12.720 Maverick dies and by the time the others reached the 0:12:12.760 --> 0:12:17.600 Adamantium chamber, Wolverine has been infected. This is canonical. Is 0:12:17.600 --> 0:12:20.520 an Uncanny X Men Marx Silvestr era police. 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:23.280 Oh yeah, and we get a full Mark Silvestry Uncanny 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:25.000 X Men cover, the famous Brood cover. 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:26.360 There's a full homage to it. 0:12:26.800 --> 0:12:30.280 I also want to say, this is again like very 0:12:30.320 --> 0:12:33.160 specific fan service for kids who grew up in the nineties, 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:33.640 but it. 0:12:33.720 --> 0:12:36.720 Is really crazy. I can see this like purple and 0:12:36.800 --> 0:12:39.439 green cover like on my stack of comics. 0:12:39.040 --> 0:12:43.400 And and also like the kind of wild wolverine you know, 0:12:43.480 --> 0:12:45.320 and he's got the brood. And also there is this 0:12:45.400 --> 0:12:47.040 great moment here that I did wonder if it was 0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:50.720 going to lead to something else along the line with 0:12:50.800 --> 0:12:54.880 Magneto adamantium, because all the other weapon Xes are so 0:12:55.160 --> 0:12:58.000 shocked when they see Wolverine's bone claws and they're like, 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:02.080 wait a minute, you can us the adamantium process. And 0:13:02.120 --> 0:13:04.480 I thought that was really interesting because I've always thought 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:07.079 wouldn't they try and do that with Magneto at least? 0:13:07.360 --> 0:13:09.680 But yeah, I mean, there's just so many fun moments here, 0:13:09.920 --> 0:13:13.040 and it's so Mark Silvestri and we even get like 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:15.880 one of the ultimate nineties characters in the kind of 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:18.120 big action sequence that comes next. 0:13:18.760 --> 0:13:21.600 So during the fight, first of all, they discover that 0:13:21.600 --> 0:13:24.199 Omega Reed is like in a test tube in the 0:13:24.280 --> 0:13:29.600 room and appears to be I mean, he's he's I 0:13:29.679 --> 0:13:33.360 believe immortal, so like he's definitely alive in there. And 0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:38.480 during the fight with uh with Brood Logan, the two 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:41.120 cracks and of course Omega Ribes comes out, and now 0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:44.480 you have to fight Omega Reed crazy and everybody there's 0:13:44.559 --> 0:13:48.000 like a big argument. Sabertooth is like I'm leaving. Morpho 0:13:48.080 --> 0:13:50.600 is like, no, we have to save Logan. Oh, he 0:13:50.640 --> 0:13:53.040 doesn't want to leave him behind. He doesn't want to 0:13:53.080 --> 0:13:57.560 leave him behind. But the thing is everybody has kind 0:13:57.559 --> 0:13:59.640 of come to the conclusion. They've all figured out that 0:13:59.840 --> 0:14:03.320 the Logan lied to them. He told everybody, Hey, we're 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:06.080 gonna go and once and for all like wipe out 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:09.760 Doctor Cornelius and Weapon X. Really what Wolverine was doing. 0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:12.320 They figure out was he was coming here to try 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:16.600 to get his adamantium back. Well, that's how they eventually 0:14:17.360 --> 0:14:22.640 end up taking out or reversing Wolverine's brood process. They 0:14:22.720 --> 0:14:27.080 lure him into the adamantium chamber. Morph hits the button, 0:14:27.440 --> 0:14:32.120 the syringes go in, the adamantium is pumped into wolverine 0:14:33.080 --> 0:14:37.120 molten adamantium. It kills the brood infection, and Wolverine emerges 0:14:37.160 --> 0:14:41.240 now readamantemized. He fights Omegared and they win. So they 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:45.800 beat Omegared, with Wolverine saying I'm back, baby, I'm the best. 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:49.800 Yeah, John Wick, they were really like he said I'm 0:14:49.840 --> 0:14:50.600 back baby. 0:14:50.760 --> 0:14:52.680 Literally he said baby, I'm back. And they go to 0:14:52.800 --> 0:14:58.280 fly away and as they're flying home, Morph is very 0:14:58.360 --> 0:15:03.280 quiet and hurt, clearly because because he's disappointed that Wolverine 0:15:03.680 --> 0:15:07.960 lied to him, and he tries to say to Wolverine, 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:11.440 you know, you don't have to be this like demented 0:15:12.040 --> 0:15:14.200 killer all the time, and he's like, but that's what 0:15:14.320 --> 0:15:18.360 I'm best at. And oh, very very sad stuff. Let's 0:15:18.400 --> 0:15:20.720 take a quick break and then we'll come back and 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:25.440 discuss this insane episode and also to discuss that we 0:15:25.440 --> 0:15:28.560 were right, like we've ever been more right. We've never 0:15:28.560 --> 0:15:29.040 been more right. 0:15:29.080 --> 0:15:30.760 And I do want to say I want to shout 0:15:30.760 --> 0:15:33.920 out our sweet friends in the discord who did question 0:15:34.000 --> 0:15:35.000 maybe we've seen the head. 0:15:35.120 --> 0:15:36.920 No, we were just made for this. 0:15:37.000 --> 0:15:39.760 Like this literally was the series that me and Jason 0:15:39.800 --> 0:15:42.960 Will tested and made for in the WEAPONEX facility. 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:56.720 So let's come back and talk about it. Yeah, and 0:15:56.800 --> 0:16:01.840 we were back wonderful easter eggs in this episode. The 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:04.920 whole episode is almost an Easter egg with the inclusion 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:09.440 of Maverick and who I can like when I I 0:16:09.480 --> 0:16:11.720 as I was watching it, I was like picturing the 0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:15.440 life field. Mm hmmm, of course, Like it's like the 0:16:15.600 --> 0:16:22.800 flat mask play it everything, Yeah, no feet, very funny, 0:16:23.280 --> 0:16:25.320 I mean, yeah, the humor. 0:16:25.760 --> 0:16:28.560 I wonder I'm interested to see how that is gonna 0:16:28.600 --> 0:16:31.320 land with people because I think this, like we've talked about, 0:16:31.360 --> 0:16:34.320 this season has been very in depth, very low heavy, 0:16:34.720 --> 0:16:38.640 very dense. This is very fun It's zingy from the moment. 0:16:38.760 --> 0:16:41.440 I mean it opens basically with a straight Predator homage, 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:45.400 which makes sense because it's very action movie inspired and 0:16:45.560 --> 0:16:48.800 obviously Alien Predator, all those kind of connective tissues here, 0:16:49.160 --> 0:16:51.760 but like they want you to know, this is a 0:16:51.760 --> 0:16:54.800 funny episode. This is an episode for in jokes, This 0:16:54.840 --> 0:16:57.360 is an episode for banter. This is an episode for 0:16:57.440 --> 0:16:59.480 the kind of questions that you and your friends ask 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:01.760 in comic shops, get an ast, you know, And I 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:04.200 love those kind of episodes. But it is a bit 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:07.920 of a tone shift after everything we've seen, especially with 0:17:07.960 --> 0:17:10.719 Satin Death, et cetera. So I'm interested to see how 0:17:10.720 --> 0:17:12.479 it lands. But I had a lot of fun with it. 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:15.680 This is one of those This gave me that comic 0:17:15.680 --> 0:17:17.640 book feeling Like when I was a kid reading these, 0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:20.639 I'd always wonder like what are they, how do they? 0:17:21.040 --> 0:17:23.280 What are they do in their downtime? Like what's going on? 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:25.560 And this is one of those where I'm like, how 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:32.560 does Wolverine call Leady death strike Maverick Caine saber Tooth 0:17:33.320 --> 0:17:36.720 and he's like a toss eggs, come back, get get 0:17:36.760 --> 0:17:40.399 together and how to and what is going on in 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:42.520 I mean, this is like one of those things I 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:44.800 feel like I need to know, like what is going 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:48.880 on in mutant culture? That saber Tooth is just like, Okay, 0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:51.800 I'm not working for mister Sinister, right now I guess 0:17:51.840 --> 0:17:54.280 I'll do it, Like what is he got? I missed 0:17:54.280 --> 0:17:56.199 the sinister collar though I can't lie, you. 0:17:56.600 --> 0:18:02.560 Know, I I think a lot about this episode as 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:05.520 exactly like you say, essentially almost like one of those 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:09.840 X Men softball episode uh comics, you know, baseball softball 0:18:09.880 --> 0:18:12.600 depending on which area you're reading. But like, we always 0:18:12.640 --> 0:18:14.840 just want to see them play fucking baseball. That's the 0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:17.720 American pastime. Like let them go outside and play it. 0:18:17.880 --> 0:18:19.879 We want to know who is flirting with who. We 0:18:19.920 --> 0:18:21.760 want to know who has a good fastball. We want 0:18:21.760 --> 0:18:23.400 to know who's gonna use their powers, and we want 0:18:23.440 --> 0:18:25.880 to see Scott get annoyed that nobody's in the war room, 0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:28.680 so he shoots the ball with his fucking laser eyes. Okay, 0:18:28.800 --> 0:18:30.640 and I know they're not laser eyes, guys, but let's 0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:34.639 not get into the optic blasts. But like this gives 0:18:34.720 --> 0:18:37.120 that same energy. But you're right, I would have loved 0:18:37.119 --> 0:18:39.879 there to be a little bit more space and time 0:18:40.000 --> 0:18:42.439 for a bit more soap op pery, Like does he 0:18:42.520 --> 0:18:44.400 have a group chat that would be funny? 0:18:45.000 --> 0:18:50.359 Did he have to send it? I could ask the 0:18:50.400 --> 0:18:54.280 professor or Gene to like send a mind more to 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:56.960 either is the question. I know that. I mean, I 0:18:57.040 --> 0:19:00.879 don't think he would because he doesn't want them knowing what. Okay, 0:19:00.920 --> 0:19:02.640 so you know what I could imagine him doing. 0:19:02.760 --> 0:19:05.600 Again, Let's talk about how this could have had an 0:19:05.600 --> 0:19:07.159 extra episode if we were lucky. 0:19:07.160 --> 0:19:09.080 That would have been called getting the Team. 0:19:08.880 --> 0:19:12.280 Back together, because I can't imagine Wolverine basically just like 0:19:12.320 --> 0:19:16.080 slugging it out to every shitty dive bar and you 0:19:16.119 --> 0:19:20.479 know John Wick esque spy hub and fucking you know, 0:19:20.760 --> 0:19:24.280 going to some like dive bar in Madrapoor again with 0:19:24.359 --> 0:19:26.720 the lucky suit, Like, I could imagine that he kind 0:19:26.720 --> 0:19:28.520 of had to scavenge to find them. 0:19:28.440 --> 0:19:32.120 Which would have been fun and very logan coded. Shouldn't 0:19:32.160 --> 0:19:36.600 shouldn't saber Tooth be in some sort of high security prison? Like, 0:19:36.680 --> 0:19:38.240 it's crazy that he's just. 0:19:38.240 --> 0:19:43.040 Me The recidivism issues in both Marvel and DC are 0:19:43.080 --> 0:19:44.200 extremely icy. 0:19:44.560 --> 0:19:48.040 He's an actual serial killer. It's pretty crazy that he's 0:19:48.119 --> 0:19:52.120 just like running around. I know, you gotta ask what's 0:19:52.119 --> 0:19:57.560 going on in society. Let's talk about the DVDs. Oh, 0:19:57.760 --> 0:20:02.879 really really great ones there and obviously this is this 0:20:03.080 --> 0:20:06.040 series is titled X Men ninety seven one. Wonders if 0:20:06.040 --> 0:20:07.800 at some point they're going to call it like X 0:20:07.840 --> 0:20:10.720 Men two thousand and two, or or if you're just 0:20:10.720 --> 0:20:14.520 going to take you very interested, because it already feels 0:20:14.560 --> 0:20:18.960 like they are. I mean, listen the if we're I 0:20:18.960 --> 0:20:22.320 think we're right about the Danger episode Danger egge. Yeah, 0:20:22.720 --> 0:20:26.720 that is what two thousand, two thousand are already like out. 0:20:26.480 --> 0:20:29.920 Of the saying right, I think we're getting into that astonishing. 0:20:30.160 --> 0:20:32.159 We know that they were taken from new in season 0:20:32.200 --> 0:20:34.439 one because that's obviously psychic effect. 0:20:34.600 --> 0:20:37.479 We love it, We've talked about it. We love repressed Scott. 0:20:38.000 --> 0:20:41.040 I'm really interested as well because also X twenty three 0:20:41.160 --> 0:20:43.520 they keep mentioning, how they keep mentioning how obviously she 0:20:43.600 --> 0:20:45.480 was in x X Men Evolution. 0:20:46.080 --> 0:20:48.240 We love Laura Kinney, She's our babe. 0:20:48.800 --> 0:20:51.399 We know that that she was back in Deadpool, you know, 0:20:51.440 --> 0:20:55.520 the incredible Daphne Keane version. I think that they are 0:20:55.600 --> 0:20:58.840 hinting to us like we're really going to be in 0:20:58.920 --> 0:21:01.200 the Zeros and Hens soon. 0:21:01.720 --> 0:21:02.640 But also they are. 0:21:02.680 --> 0:21:05.320 There are names here that are also vintage X Men 0:21:05.400 --> 0:21:07.560 characters like Aurora yes. 0:21:07.400 --> 0:21:11.640 You know a seventy nine clam On and Bun Jean 0:21:11.720 --> 0:21:15.560 Mary Bobo of Alpha Flight, who Logan was once a 0:21:15.560 --> 0:21:18.360 member of the team who had and who also has 0:21:18.440 --> 0:21:22.600 ties to Weapon X, which was like a joint US 0:21:22.760 --> 0:21:26.240 Canadian like it was a US Defense Department project, but 0:21:26.280 --> 0:21:29.800 the project took place on Canadian soil. This is after 0:21:29.880 --> 0:21:33.720 the retcon. It was originally a Canadian project, right, And 0:21:33.760 --> 0:21:39.320 then we discover that it because Captain America is Weapon one, 0:21:39.760 --> 0:21:43.840 that there are clear like American Defense Department links And 0:21:43.880 --> 0:21:49.000 then if if Winter Soldier is part of this program, 0:21:49.080 --> 0:21:51.679 then it tells you that actually there's like a vast 0:21:51.760 --> 0:21:56.280 conspiracy going on. It's giving I'm not gonna lie, Yeah, 0:21:56.320 --> 0:22:02.160 amongst the world's like top scienceists who have no morals, well, 0:22:02.280 --> 0:22:04.840 to create a super Soldier force. 0:22:04.720 --> 0:22:06.600 I was gonna say, it makes sense if you think 0:22:06.640 --> 0:22:08.560 about it, because so much of the heart of the 0:22:08.720 --> 0:22:11.960 mcu is and and Marvel Comics in general is people 0:22:12.000 --> 0:22:14.679 trying to replicate the Super Soldier serum. But I do 0:22:14.720 --> 0:22:18.400 think it's very interesting to see them directly connect it 0:22:18.440 --> 0:22:21.560 to many international characters. But you know, Jason, one of 0:22:21.600 --> 0:22:24.480 the things we first ever bonded over was Giant Size 0:22:24.600 --> 0:22:28.520 X Men, which was this reimagining of X Men. Is 0:22:28.560 --> 0:22:31.480 an international team and this list of DVDs and the 0:22:31.480 --> 0:22:33.840 way that they are presenting all the different teams here, 0:22:34.080 --> 0:22:36.520 I feel like they're really leaning into that aspect. 0:22:37.440 --> 0:22:40.479 Yeah, I think so too, So I would expect we'll 0:22:40.520 --> 0:22:43.919 see X twenty three at some point. Mm hmmm. Phantom X. 0:22:44.040 --> 0:22:48.280 So Phantom X, oh baby is a Grant Morrison creation, 0:22:48.880 --> 0:22:54.040 So already again we're already this is pre astonishing, But 0:22:55.040 --> 0:22:58.480 in my opinion, the true like peak of Phantom X 0:22:59.000 --> 0:23:04.840 didn't happen un till like mid twenty tens X Force. 0:23:05.359 --> 0:23:07.320 Yeah, and I was gonna this is also like two 0:23:07.359 --> 0:23:10.199 thousand and two, so you already got like this is 0:23:10.240 --> 0:23:13.159 grand and I Gore Cordy. This is with like you know, 0:23:13.240 --> 0:23:17.679 Chris Pachalloa, this is the end span of New X 0:23:17.720 --> 0:23:19.679 Men as well. So I think you're right that this 0:23:19.760 --> 0:23:23.760 is grand introducing cool stuff, but the character itself doesn't 0:23:23.800 --> 0:23:26.560 really become the character we all know until way later. 0:23:27.480 --> 0:23:30.960 So Phantom X is like a really really weird character 0:23:31.760 --> 0:23:37.960 who has a nervous system outside of his body that 0:23:38.240 --> 0:23:40.800 is like autonomous that he refers to as EVA. It's 0:23:40.800 --> 0:23:43.560 like a ship outside of his body, and they have 0:23:43.680 --> 0:23:49.480 this weird, almost romantic symbiotic relationship. So and you know, 0:23:49.520 --> 0:23:53.280