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Speaker 1: Uh we We've got a lot to get into in
Speaker 1: terms of this defense for the Cowboys going up against
Speaker 1: this Washington offense. But I mean, I say, I asked
Speaker 1: the question before even went on, and he said, how
Speaker 1: do you break down this Washington offense? Because they're pretty bad?
Speaker 1: And I want to do you think do you think uh,
Speaker 1: talking the football team Washington is saying that same thing
Speaker 1: about the Cowboys defense at this point right now or
Speaker 1: vice versa. Oh yeah, I think so. You think it's
Speaker 1: gonna be just kind of tough to evaluate. There's a
Speaker 1: high probability of that, there's a high probability to just say, um,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure how they feel about it, but uh,
Speaker 1: we're gonna find out. We're gonna find out. New York
Speaker 1: Giants thirty oh, a couple weeks ago. You had to
Speaker 1: bring that up, right, Rob, You gotta take care of
Speaker 1: our own house, you know what I mean? Fromorrow show?
Speaker 1: Speaking of ter tomorrow, say it with your chest Friday,
Speaker 1: we'll say it with our chest here on Thursday as well.
Speaker 1: We did a little bit of that yesterday on Wednesday.
Speaker 1: But probably we did get a look at the Cowboys yesterday,
Speaker 1: even though it was a later look, a little different
Speaker 1: schedule with the shorter week and kind of what was
Speaker 1: mentioned as a jog through style practice by Mike McCarthy yesterday.
Speaker 1: But there was a new name up on that up
Speaker 1: on the injury list this week that did not practice yesterday,
Speaker 1: and once again it was a neck issue, Alden Smith
Speaker 1: on the injury report yesterday, Rob, anything else to update
Speaker 1: on him so far, Well, we'll see what I can do.
Speaker 1: If anything today, I believe he got checked for a
Speaker 1: stinger during the game against Arizona, came back in the game.
Speaker 1: I think he finished the game, so we'll just see
Speaker 1: the status is. I think he played forty something snaps
Speaker 1: in the game. You would definitely hope to have him
Speaker 1: in this game. He's been your best pass rusher. A
Speaker 1: little bit of good news for the Cowboys. There's not
Speaker 1: a whole lot of good news at all period, especially
Speaker 1: on the entry front, but Cam Irving did get back
Speaker 1: into practice. He's still on ir but if he's activated
Speaker 1: this week, that gives them some better an option at
Speaker 1: one of the tackle spots. With Brandon Knight out and
Speaker 1: of course Tyrant Smith and Lyle Collins outs, there's just
Speaker 1: a there's a teeny bit of good news. So you're
Speaker 1: saying there's a chance, I say there's a chance, Lloyd.
Speaker 1: There's a glimmer sunshine there, and it's against the team
Speaker 1: that isn't very good in terms of allowing sacks per game.
Speaker 1: They've allowed twenty four sacks over the first six weeks
Speaker 1: of the season and they're tied for thirtieth in the category.
Speaker 1: So you get Randy Gregory back, but Alden Smith is
Speaker 1: now a question. Mark, guys, are we gonna see a
Speaker 1: resurgence of this Cowboys defense line in terms of trying
Speaker 1: to get to the quarterback and pressure Kyle Allen or
Speaker 1: so than we've seen them really pressure any quarterback far
Speaker 1: this season. I'll take a take somebody at one of
Speaker 1: these old R and B group they said, please please please,
Speaker 1: I hope so, man, we need a spark. Man. We
Speaker 1: obviously thought that was gonna be against the Giants, and
Speaker 1: we did not try to spark against the Giants. Um,
Speaker 1: we hope that is if there's ever if there's any
Speaker 1: opportunities on our on our season, our remaining season, this
Speaker 1: is this team. This is a team that you have
Speaker 1: to get going up against. UM against inexperienced quarterback who
Speaker 1: holds the ball too long, whos the ball into coverage. UM,
Speaker 1: this this is the greatest opportunity that we've had to date. UM,
Speaker 1: you know, taking aside from the point that we thought
Speaker 1: the dance were too So I hope, God, I hope
Speaker 1: so please please Yeah, I mean we've been waiting for
Speaker 1: a spark. We've been we need a flame. We have
Speaker 1: full on forest fire right now. From my defense, because
Speaker 1: of the way that they've been giving up numbers. It's
Speaker 1: like it's getting to the point each and every week
Speaker 1: and it's like a bad joke continuously to say that
Speaker 1: our defense is not any good and that the numbers
Speaker 1: are there to prove it. But we talk about this
Speaker 1: team in Washington and how they're the gift horse for
Speaker 1: us and trying to get this defense on track. It's
Speaker 1: hard for us again to to hang our hat on
Speaker 1: anything that we've seen to say, Okay, this is the
Speaker 1: one thing that we do better than anybody else, and
Speaker 1: we haven't found that yet. Just as a collective, as
Speaker 1: a group, Um, I'm looking for this secondary because obviously
Speaker 1: when you look at Washington and their receivers, there are
Speaker 1: not a lot of weapons there and so coverage communications,
Speaker 1: things like that. Man, just just doing your job, as
Speaker 1: Isaiah keeps warding out to these guys, do your job,
Speaker 1: be assignment, sound, the linebackers, late Vandersch coming back, and
Speaker 1: just getting this defense lined up properly. Look, this is
Speaker 1: the game for us. This is obviously the game that
Speaker 1: the defense should have some good vibes. Can I just
Speaker 1: take it back real quick to twenty fifteen at Kyle
Speaker 1: Field in College. Last two weeks, it's Kyler Murray. Now
Speaker 1: it's Kyle Allen. I watched them both play for my
Speaker 1: beloved Aggies in twenty fifteen and Derek Henry smoked him
Speaker 1: for two hundred and thirty six yards. Aggie's lost that game.
Speaker 1: Now they got two quarterbacks back to back weeks in
Speaker 1: the NFL playing My Aggie's still looking for a national championship.
Speaker 1: We recruit well, we just don't seem to finish it.
Speaker 1: But I've seen Kyle Allen on the field somewhat uh,
Speaker 1: like you guys said, like Isaiah said, he's he's got
Speaker 1: talent um, he's and he's familiar with the system because
Speaker 1: he came from Carolina. Scott Turner their OC and Washington
Speaker 1: did two. But he is turnover prone. They haven't, you know,
Speaker 1: we kind of said this about Daniel Jones. They didn't.
Speaker 1: You know, they don't go down the field a lot.
Speaker 1: McLaren's their biggest weapon. But again, like it's it's it's
Speaker 1: like Heckma said, it's about self scout. It's about taking
Speaker 1: care of your own business and your assignments. Because we
Speaker 1: can talk about how they don't have a lot of weapons,
Speaker 1: but they the Cowboys continue to give up these backbreaking plays.
Speaker 1: If you take away three plays of sixty plus yards
Speaker 1: last week, I think Kyler Murray's got forty eight passing
Speaker 1: yards and they've got just over two hundred total yards
Speaker 1: in the game. It was three plays that really just
Speaker 1: crushed the Cowboys defense. And that's that's on them. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's not so much the weapons that Arizona has. To
Speaker 1: some degree, it is, but it's about your assignments. And
Speaker 1: that's that's what it comes down to for me. You know,
Speaker 1: more than the matchups in this game, are they going
Speaker 1: to prevent themselves from giving up these big plays. A
Speaker 1: lot of its communication in the secondary, it's gap assignments
Speaker 1: in the run game, like we saw the last touchdown
Speaker 1: of the game. It's all those things that they got
Speaker 1: to take care of in house themselves and Kyle and
Speaker 1: before we proceed, there was a glimmer of hope last week, right,
Speaker 1: I think we all can admit that. Please tell us,
Speaker 1: Please tell well, in the first quarter, in the first quarter,
Speaker 1: the first part of the game, I mean, the defensive
Speaker 1: really well until until we started, you know, dropping the
Speaker 1: cookies on the ground again and giving them their office
Speaker 1: the ball back. So I mean there was there was hope.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm being real real. I know we've been
Speaker 1: dragging this team, dragging this side of the ball all season,
Speaker 1: but that first quarter was the best this defense has
Speaker 1: looked all year long. And they looked like a defense
Speaker 1: that was collectively coming together and playing well. Vander esh
Speaker 1: was getting guys lined up seemingly, guys were clear on communication.
Speaker 1: Everybody was playing sound assignment defense. And then we just
Speaker 1: fumbled the ball on the opposing side. Once we got
Speaker 1: the ball back, and they demoralized everybody, right, and then
Speaker 1: you saw the old Cowboys defense come back. When I say, oh, what,
Speaker 1: I mean like the week before. So I mean I
Speaker 1: think there is hope. I think they have something to
Speaker 1: build on. It's not like they haven't shown up at all.
Speaker 1: They did show up, but they reverted back to what
Speaker 1: they were before. Sean Lee was on the conference call
Speaker 1: yesterday with the media and he said he's hoping to
Speaker 1: get back from my r soon, but he said, to
Speaker 1: your point, we've had stretches or we'll do a good
Speaker 1: job against the run, but not the past. We have
Speaker 1: not put together a full game yet and really not
Speaker 1: even close. I mean I think they came close to
Speaker 1: putting together a good half last week. Yeah, but they
Speaker 1: certainly didn't. They started the game strong, that's been that's
Speaker 1: definitely an improvement, they certainly didn't finish the game strong.
Speaker 1: And they can't allow they would never say this publicly,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that's the case, but they can't allow
Speaker 1: offensive mistakes from their teammates to impact their confidence level
Speaker 1: when they get handed short fields, because that's got to
Speaker 1: be demoralizing. But they can't let it affect them. And
Speaker 1: I was talking upstairs with Nicki and kind of about
Speaker 1: that yesterday. Is we can blame the turnovers for poor
Speaker 1: field position and short fields for your defense as much
Speaker 1: as you want, because that does put your defense in
Speaker 1: a tough situation. Absolutely. However, there's gotta be a time
Speaker 1: and there's got to be a place where your defense
Speaker 1: bows up and your defense grabs your helmet off the
Speaker 1: sideline says we've got a job to do, and heck,
Speaker 1: we really just haven't seen that yet. And is that
Speaker 1: something that we need to see once or twice for
Speaker 1: this defense to finally gain a little bit of confidence. No,
Speaker 1: I think, man, that's a good question, and I believe
Speaker 1: that collectively we should just you know, look, relaxing tech
Speaker 1: note of the fact that this defense they haven't had
Speaker 1: a preseason. They didn't have any OTAs, they didn't have
Speaker 1: any of that right everyone else also, But I think
Speaker 1: when you have a new coach that comes in, that's
Speaker 1: teaching a new scheme and you don't have an opportunity
Speaker 1: to draw it up and go out there and practice
Speaker 1: and execute it. You can't just draw it up and
Speaker 1: expect for gods to take the field and do it
Speaker 1: exactly the way that you envisioned it. And I think
Speaker 1: a lot of the teaching process it's just taking a
Speaker 1: lot longer. Look, no one is going to give them
Speaker 1: a mulligan for COVID nineteen, but I think that if
Speaker 1: you just look at the football in general and how
Speaker 1: gods get prepared for the season, I think that that's
Speaker 1: where this defense is. Isaiah has a point really about
Speaker 1: the first quarter. They played a lot better than people
Speaker 1: are giving them credit for. All Right, some of the yes,
Speaker 1: the big plays plagued them. You don't want to see
Speaker 1: a guy go one hundred and sixty one yards. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, where we had been seeing them
Speaker 1: just getting misused in certain and certain coverages, they corrected
Speaker 1: those all right. So look, hopefully as we continue to go,
Speaker 1: and I don't want to give them any excuse, but
Speaker 1: I just want to point out the obvious that week
Speaker 1: by week they should start taking those strides to do
Speaker 1: what you said, Kyle bow up and make stops. And
Speaker 1: I just think collectively as a group, as Sean Lee said, look,
Speaker 1: putting a game together where they stop the run and
Speaker 1: they stop the pass, they're due for that kind of performance,
Speaker 1: but it can it's you know, when your offense is
Speaker 1: turning the ball over, it's two players that can that
Speaker 1: can cost you the game. And that's really I know,
Speaker 1: I say, you broke these down, but you know, Trayvon Diggs,
Speaker 1: whatever happened there with communication, letting Hopkins run free. It's
Speaker 1: a sixty yard game, and then what looked like cover
Speaker 1: three with Daryl Worley. He stops his feet and now
Speaker 1: he's gone, Kirk has gone down the field you give.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's fourteen points right there. You put
Speaker 1: up ten offensively because you can't get out of your
Speaker 1: own way, you know, the defense, it's just you take
Speaker 1: away the big players. Yeah, it's really it is bad.
Speaker 1: It is bad. But if they can take them, those away.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's solid enough to win with if your
Speaker 1: offense takes care of the ball. Hey, Rob, let me
Speaker 1: let me ask you this. Let me ask you this. Rob,
Speaker 1: Like a lot of those communication eras that you see
Speaker 1: a lot of that would have been corrected in preseason also,
Speaker 1: I mean, and you would have had four games to
Speaker 1: correct those communication eras. They're just it's just playing that
Speaker 1: live on actual games that that hold weight. Yes and no, heck,
Speaker 1: yes and no. And And the reason why I say
Speaker 1: that is because those those guys that were referring to
Speaker 1: those starters, realistically over a duration of an entire preseason,
Speaker 1: um it's you know, preseason schedule, they they might have
Speaker 1: played four quarters, maybe maybe throughout the whole preseason, um,
Speaker 1: had had they played in that just because starters are
Speaker 1: usually held out of that guys that are they're knowingly
Speaker 1: going to be on the roster where I'll see a
Speaker 1: big issue as as a former player looking in, I
Speaker 1: don't see a lot of continuity. And I think I've
Speaker 1: mentioned this before, and I think it might be undervalued
Speaker 1: in terms are just from the fan perspective, and there's
Speaker 1: not enough being put on it. These guys look like
Speaker 1: they show up to work. It looks like, seriously, this
Speaker 1: defense looks like they show up to work, sit in meetings,
Speaker 1: go out to practice, and then go home. And you know,
Speaker 1: when you look at it from the outside, that's your job.
Speaker 1: But when we talk about football, and we talk about
Speaker 1: the NFL, in college, whatever else you want to talk to,
Speaker 1: the better, the best teams out there are teams that
Speaker 1: spend the most amount of time together. And you're not
Speaker 1: going to get all that time. You're not gonna get
Speaker 1: the continuity. You're not gonna get the brotherhood, you're not
Speaker 1: gonna get the nonverbal communication and all those other things.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna get that with just the hours you
Speaker 1: spend at work. Some of the best teams I've been on,
Speaker 1: I've been spoiled to be in great organizations. Right when
Speaker 1: I went to New England, guys were studying together, Guys
Speaker 1: are watching film at each other's house. When I was
Speaker 1: in New York, guys were kicking it with each other
Speaker 1: all the time. Seattle with Earland On, those guys, those
Speaker 1: guys hung out together all the time. So when you
Speaker 1: watch these when you watch some of these better teams,
Speaker 1: and they look like they're having fun, like that's because
Speaker 1: they have fun off the field together too, and they're
Speaker 1: hanging out with each other. They're kicking it, they're watching
Speaker 1: they're watching you know, sitcoms together and watching film together
Speaker 1: and going bowling and doing movies and then whatever else
Speaker 1: you do here. You know, um, and you can see
Speaker 1: you can see that symmetry. Um. You can see that
Speaker 1: brotherhood on the field. And if you watch closely, I
Speaker 1: don't have to watch that closely. When guys are making plays,
Speaker 1: you see like a vanderash and Jalen Smith, right, you
Speaker 1: could tell they hang out a little bit. Right. You
Speaker 1: don't really see much of anything else really going on
Speaker 1: as far as guys celebrating together. In terms of the
Speaker 1: whole team being energetic together, it's just not what you see.
Speaker 1: Look at some of the other teams. Look at the Baltimores, right,
Speaker 1: look at the Green Bays, look at some of these
Speaker 1: other teams, and look how they how they how they
Speaker 1: revolve around each other. I mean, you'll start noticing that
Speaker 1: these guys just don't spend enough time together. That's my
Speaker 1: that's my notion. AAA. Are you saying that our defense
Speaker 1: they're not they're not cool with each other? No, No, No,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that. I'm saying I'm saying time off
Speaker 1: the field matters right at the time about the field matters.
Speaker 1: And it's just no different than if somebody that you
Speaker 1: stay with inside in house, right. If you stay with
Speaker 1: somebody in house, right, your brother, cousin, whatever, you're gonna know,
Speaker 1: you gotta know what they're gonna do. You can anticipate
Speaker 1: what they're going to do because you know their tendencies.
Speaker 1: If you're just showing up the working clocking in and
Speaker 1: clocking out, you're doing your job, but you're not doing
Speaker 1: it as effectively as you could have well. And also
Speaker 1: you gotta remember that in this current climate, you can't
Speaker 1: necessarily do that. The NFL has sent out memos saying
Speaker 1: you cannot hang out basically outside of outside of work.
Speaker 1: You gotta be safer, got to be socially distant. Maybe
Speaker 1: that's actially have that. Maybe that's the go for it.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Kyle, I was interrupting you. Uh, maybe that's
Speaker 1: the case. And you know, look, man, and you're experiencing
Speaker 1: in NFL locker rooms, in that camaraderie between guys. I
Speaker 1: think that's that's that's great, right, But at the same
Speaker 1: time you you make mention of the fact that cover
Speaker 1: three is cover three, cover four you learned in middle school, right,
Speaker 1: that's these are just little things where guys are ad
Speaker 1: living and doing their own thing. And so wherever the
Speaker 1: frustration is coming from, whether these guys got to, you know,
Speaker 1: play Duck Duck goose together afterwards, I don't know what
Speaker 1: what what the what? What's hell? No, you are not
Speaker 1: don't play with me, don't even play with me with goose.
Speaker 1: All I'm saying. All I'm saying is, no matter what
Speaker 1: the relationship is, we are getting torched. And these guys,
Speaker 1: to me, I believe that NFL players are guys that
Speaker 1: are full of pride. They don't want they listen to
Speaker 1: see what the media is saying, and so regardless of
Speaker 1: the love that they have for one another, they realize
Speaker 1: that as a collective eleven guys, they are getting drugged
Speaker 1: through the month because they are giving up astronomical numbers
Speaker 1: every Sunday. I mean, our offense would like to play
Speaker 1: our defense to get their numbers back up. So we
Speaker 1: gotta figure this out. And no matter if it's hanging
Speaker 1: out afterwards or whatever they have to do, We're just
Speaker 1: not clicking in the system that we're running. All I
Speaker 1: can attribute it to is the fact that they hadn't
Speaker 1: had a lot of time to go over the scheme
Speaker 1: with Mike Nolan. I don't they haven't, but you got
Speaker 1: then you gotta go overtime. And I'm not saying they're not,
Speaker 1: but you know, that's another thing Sean Lee spoke to
Speaker 1: and it wasn't a critical point. It's just what they
Speaker 1: need to do is just you have to know the
Speaker 1: defense inside and out to be able to play as
Speaker 1: fast as you need to play, to play confidently. And
Speaker 1: I think Joe Thomas, yeah, can't be thinking. Joe Thomas
Speaker 1: spoke that a couple of weeks ago too. I thought,
Speaker 1: like Isaiah said, I thought they played faster. I thought
Speaker 1: they were more decisive in trying to stop Kyler Murray.
Speaker 1: And I didn't even have a problem with some of
Speaker 1: the runs he had because he's gonna do that. He
Speaker 1: does that to everybody. But those big plays, man, they
Speaker 1: will just kill you. They will kill you. And if
Speaker 1: your offense isn't getting the big plays because Andy Dalton
Speaker 1: is is not having guys open as much, or the
Speaker 1: protection's not there, or they're not on the field as
Speaker 1: much because of their own fault, because the turnovers all
Speaker 1: just bundles together in one big nasty loss again, and
Speaker 1: that's what happened. Yeah, I mean, there's there's definitely bigger
Speaker 1: things that you could point out. And when we come
Speaker 1: back after the break, I'm going to ask a couple
Speaker 1: of film questions to Isaiah and Hekma and kind of
Speaker 1: get their idea on why certain things happened there. But
Speaker 1: also we mentioned a couple of weeks back that the
Speaker 1: New York Giants were the pharmacy for this Cowboys defense.
Speaker 1: If they were the cvs, then we might have the
Speaker 1: Walgreens coming up on the other side of the corner
Speaker 1: this week in the Washington football team. So we've got
Speaker 1: that competition back and forth, and we'll see the bass
Speaker 1: tests false test. Yeah, there you go. We'll see exactly
Speaker 1: what that means. Coming up next. We'll be right back
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Speaker 1: Cowboys talking about the Washington offense as the football team
Speaker 1: comes to down one and five, tied for last in
Speaker 1: the NFC East and uh. And then you've also got
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys defense, one of the worst defenses in
Speaker 1: the NFL. And I mentioned this a moment ago. I
Speaker 1: wanted to ask a film question, and this kind of
Speaker 1: goes based off of what we were talking about in
Speaker 1: the first segment, and Rob brought up the fact that
Speaker 1: they were playing faster and it seemed like they were
Speaker 1: better with their assignments. But there were some different lapses
Speaker 1: on film that I saw, and Isaiah asked this first,
Speaker 1: but a heck, and I definitely want to hear your
Speaker 1: opinion on this as well. But Isaiah on specifically the
Speaker 1: Christian Kirk touchdown wide receiver sweep that he came across,
Speaker 1: and it's categorized as a pass, but it was really
Speaker 1: kind of a run off of the edge and he
Speaker 1: just basically beat everybody to the pylon. Jalen Smith had
Speaker 1: his eyes in the wrong spot, and then you also
Speaker 1: had Anthony Brown that just didn't have a quick trigger
Speaker 1: and it was noticeable on film. But is this something
Speaker 1: that's more of a broad problem on that defense, just
Speaker 1: not having a quick trigger and continuing to have your
Speaker 1: eyes in the wrong spot, which is something we talked
Speaker 1: about week one, This defense, Um, and it's I want
Speaker 1: to say, I guess and it's an entirety. Right. They're
Speaker 1: aggressive in nature, right, everybody knows Jalen Smith wants to
Speaker 1: come downhill and hit you. Um, these guys. Joe Thomas
Speaker 1: wants to do the same. I think he's a little
Speaker 1: bit more patient, but Jalen Smith for sure gets caught
Speaker 1: up because that's it. He's like the juggernaut, right, he
Speaker 1: just wants to run through a wall. When you're that aggressive,
Speaker 1: the things that make you greater, the things that are
Speaker 1: also your weaknesses, teams recognize that us. No, it's no
Speaker 1: different than than our secondary with cover. Four. Teams recognize
Speaker 1: that guys are getting getting locked in on certain receivers.
Speaker 1: So when you get locked in, you're you lose track
Speaker 1: of your responsibility, so I can sneak behind you. So
Speaker 1: when Jalen Smith and his comrades are getting their eyes
Speaker 1: in the backfield because they want to come down here
Speaker 1: and they want to stop to run or I'm gonna
Speaker 1: stop Kyler Murray. Right, so I'm really locked in. Guess
Speaker 1: what whoopstee, I'm gonna come right around the edge on you,
Speaker 1: or I'm gonna do a short motion just to gain
Speaker 1: some leverage on you, because I know that you think
Speaker 1: I'm gonna show you something that you think that you
Speaker 1: know the play on film, right, because we run this consistently,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make it look exactly the same, and I'm
Speaker 1: emotional somebody in position to gain leverage on you, and
Speaker 1: all they need you to do is take one step.
Speaker 1: That's all we need time. We need one step, one
Speaker 1: step out of the out of position, and I got you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And those are those false steps are definitely killing our defense.
Speaker 1: But when you talk about that player on the goal line.
Speaker 1: If I remember it correctly, I believe that Anthony Brown
Speaker 1: just lost outside leverage, and yeah, and that was his responsibility,
Speaker 1: and then there was Its defenses are layered, man, and
Speaker 1: so if you lose contain on one part, there's another
Speaker 1: guy behind you that's supposed to support what you do.
Speaker 1: We just didn't have any of it to show of,
Speaker 1: but you know, using our defenses aggressiveness against them is
Speaker 1: one thing. Taking false steps is another thing. Guys not
Speaker 1: knowing their assignment and can't play fast because of it
Speaker 1: is it's also another thing. And so you just see
Speaker 1: them getting off the ball, not getting that push, but
Speaker 1: also not firing off the ball also, so and I
Speaker 1: don't know if we're just used to seeing that from
Speaker 1: last year to this year, but nothing about what they're
Speaker 1: doing is saying that, Okay, we know assignment and alignment
Speaker 1: to be sound, because you see guys over and over
Speaker 1: and over again losing outside contained and just putting themselves
Speaker 1: in a situation to be beat. Rob you have anything
Speaker 1: to add on that, Yeah, No, y'all nailed it. I
Speaker 1: mean of some of its aggressiveness and some of its
Speaker 1: recognition and some of it is Yeah, and some of
Speaker 1: it is just speed and quickness from God. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean we've seen it. You know, it's a combination of both.
Speaker 1: But I think you've seen in some of the play actions,
Speaker 1: some of the rollouts Cleveland did, the teams are trying
Speaker 1: to stretch the Cowboys sideline to sideline and see if
Speaker 1: they can move laterally and stop plays like that. And
Speaker 1: they haven't been able to do it. It's been for
Speaker 1: a variety of reasons. But I think some of the
Speaker 1: team's speed is a factor too. Um So, but if
Speaker 1: your assignment sound, you can mitigate some of that stuff. Absolutely, yeah, absolutely, Rob.
Speaker 1: And to that point, these guys don't trust each other, right,
Speaker 1: So when we talk about these assignments, right, if I'm like, heckman,
Speaker 1: you got outside contained, right, I'm got the inside right.
Speaker 1: Guess what we were in and out certain things? Right?
Speaker 1: So you know, I'm not gonna go outside of my
Speaker 1: responsibilities because I trust that my dog got me right.
Speaker 1: I trust that he's gonna be where he's supposed to be.
Speaker 1: When I don't trust that right now, I'm hey, Rob,
Speaker 1: the heck of what we're running, I'm going in here
Speaker 1: right and I'm gonna go make a play, and when
Speaker 1: I don't and when I am a freelancing and when
Speaker 1: I don't make a play, guess what, Oh crap, he's
Speaker 1: he's He's where I was supposed to be. Right. So
Speaker 1: that's what I'm talking about in terms of this continuity
Speaker 1: is symmetry. There's there isn't any right now. And when
Speaker 1: you're tight and when you click tight with your boys
Speaker 1: and all that stuff, you know, hey, I'm going to
Speaker 1: do my job and he's gonna do his job. And
Speaker 1: if guess what, if we get got on this, we
Speaker 1: get we get got together, right, But we're not gonna
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna We're not gonna mess each other up.
Speaker 1: We're not gonna put each other in bad positions because
Speaker 1: I want to be Superman on his play and go
Speaker 1: outside of what I'm asked to do. And you know what,
Speaker 1: though that you're right. But that's the same stuff Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett spoke about last year with the defense that the
Speaker 1: thought and guys and guys trying to do too much.
Speaker 1: And so that's why when I when we talk about
Speaker 1: this stuff, it's like, yeah, it's a new defense and
Speaker 1: this new scheme, but it's also we saw this last year.
Speaker 1: So at some point, like it's just part of the
Speaker 1: defense's identity that they have to fix, you know. So, Rob, Rob,
Speaker 1: what are you saying if you sucked in the old system?
Speaker 1: The system? Right? Oh wow, it's a problem. It's a
Speaker 1: problem because it's if your assignment sound, you at least
Speaker 1: give yourself a chance to where it's not a twenty
Speaker 1: yard game, it's it's an eight yard game. Whatever, you know,
Speaker 1: Just cut it down someone why Jay? Yeah, simple, man,
Speaker 1: it's simple, and it's it's simple, but it hasn't been
Speaker 1: done yet. And I don't know some of the some
Speaker 1: of the guys in in in in the periscope chat,
Speaker 1: we're kind of talking about Cheetah Elusier and and what
Speaker 1: he brings to the table. Do you think he maybe
Speaker 1: even adds a little added uh element to it And
Speaker 1: the fact that he is a faster defender and he's
Speaker 1: able to get that outside leverage Isaiah that you were
Speaker 1: talking about, and even just the fact that he's been
Speaker 1: around this team for a couple of years now and
Speaker 1: he's not one of the newer additions. He may be
Speaker 1: able to communicate a little better in terms of in
Speaker 1: terms of his speed. Some of these dudes that these
Speaker 1: that that our defense has faced, I mean we faced
Speaker 1: them some of the best NFL has has to offer
Speaker 1: over these over these first six weeks. So I mean,
Speaker 1: no disrespect to our guys, but these these dudes are
Speaker 1: amazing on the other side of the ball too. When
Speaker 1: we start talking about some of these individuals that Rand
Speaker 1: laps around our guys, guys and me, I've talked with
Speaker 1: me and Heck kind of went back and forth about
Speaker 1: leverage and griffing all these guys. I'm like, look, sometimes
Speaker 1: you just they just got better athletes on, you know,
Speaker 1: who have the ball in their hand. Right, So it
Speaker 1: is what it is, you get beat. But when we
Speaker 1: talk about his ability to communicate that it's needed. We
Speaker 1: need veterans on this defense, and I think we've been
Speaker 1: whistling that for a while now. We need some veterans
Speaker 1: that can come in and establish a new culture, right,
Speaker 1: establish a new culture. Just because you change coaches doesn't
Speaker 1: mean that you change cultures, right. So um, and that's
Speaker 1: very important because I can remember being on teams were
Speaker 1: defense and defense and special teams, drills, all the communications
Speaker 1: the same, Right, if we're running down there's two on
Speaker 1: one and you got one man on the outside, I'm
Speaker 1: yelling out out, out, out out. You're running INNN and
Speaker 1: inn right. There's a lot of communication things like that
Speaker 1: that you see somebody doing. You're like, oh, that's what
Speaker 1: we're doing. Okay, cool, let me do that then, and
Speaker 1: let me work on it so I can get better.
Speaker 1: So then when you're in the games, guess what when
Speaker 1: you're in those possessions, when you're in those positions out
Speaker 1: out of inn and in right and you're in you're
Speaker 1: closing in on a guy, and guess what, cool, good
Speaker 1: job we did we're supposed to do. We over communicate it,
Speaker 1: because there's no such thing as over communicate. But Isaiah,
Speaker 1: you know that that's muscle memory, right, being able much
Speaker 1: read and reacts and not even think about it. But
Speaker 1: we don't have a lot of that. And even you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know who Maybe this is Jogie Barrow that
Speaker 1: said wherever you are, that's wherever you go, that's where
Speaker 1: you are. You know you are who you are basically
Speaker 1: is the same. And this is this is it. I
Speaker 1: mean everywhere every stadium that we go to, we're gonna
Speaker 1: take these problems with us. When we're in Washington, that's
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen. And so I mean, look, when when
Speaker 1: you go into this this team, uh, the Washington football team,
Speaker 1: and I'm just trying to fight the other word, the
Speaker 1: Washington football team. Uh, you know, they have a lot
Speaker 1: of things that would are to be desired for this defense.
Speaker 1: Kyle Allen, he's a guy that you said, Isaiah, he'll
Speaker 1: throw into coverage. He's pretty much a dump a dump passer.
Speaker 1: But he's coming from that Scott Turner, who is a
Speaker 1: North Turner disciple, actually his son, So I guess he's
Speaker 1: from the basement of North So he knows a thing
Speaker 1: or two about formations and using the tight end. And
Speaker 1: so this is gonna be for our defense. They don't
Speaker 1: have to worry so much in this game about the
Speaker 1: d ball. But I guarantee you the Washington football team
Speaker 1: are going to test them deep because they know that
Speaker 1: they're susceptible to the big play. And that's why you
Speaker 1: can't give them time. That's why we need our defensive
Speaker 1: line to show up and present. I feel like they
Speaker 1: were kind of playing, um, they were, they were doing
Speaker 1: their responsibilities in the first quarter right when we were
Speaker 1: alluding to them playing well. They can't You can't be
Speaker 1: overly aggressive. You can't be just go crazy against a
Speaker 1: running quarterback. You just can't with the ability that kind
Speaker 1: of Murray had. But I think they were being responsible,
Speaker 1: they were being gap savvy, they were being sound on
Speaker 1: the outside with the edges. Um. But this team, with
Speaker 1: this quarterback, go get them right. And because if if
Speaker 1: he has the time, any any quarterback in this league
Speaker 1: can throw a ball down the field. So let's let's
Speaker 1: respect the thirty two guys that have positions, have have
Speaker 1: jobs in this league. They do what they do through
Speaker 1: the best in the world at it summer just better
Speaker 1: than others. But if you give anybody time and give
Speaker 1: them their receiver's ability to get open against this secondary,
Speaker 1: they're gonna they're gonna be successful. So our our d
Speaker 1: line has to show up. Um. And yeah, and I
Speaker 1: know Kyle wants, you know, Bradley and to come in
Speaker 1: here and do work, So I do. Let's give him
Speaker 1: a chance. I want to come in six. Well, you're
Speaker 1: gonna say something there, Rob, No, I'm just gonna say
Speaker 1: I mean, to your point. He had a big Kyle
Speaker 1: and had a big fumble at the end of the
Speaker 1: game that cost him against the Giants, and when he's pressure,
Speaker 1: he'll put the ball in the ground, kind of like
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones. But if you give him time, He's had
Speaker 1: enough starts in the league where, especially against the Cowboys defense,
Speaker 1: if they're not communicating back there, they will test them deep.
Speaker 1: I fully expect Dad McLaren can get deep on you.
Speaker 1: So I you know it's copycat, but yeah, pressure, pressure
Speaker 1: can really affect him for sure. I've got good news
Speaker 1: for you guys though. If you look at the history,
Speaker 1: or at least the start of the season for Washington,
Speaker 1: they rank last in the NFL fell in big plays
Speaker 1: on offense that means twenty plus yard rush or a
Speaker 1: forty plus yard pass, registering only two big play rushes
Speaker 1: and one big play pass for a total of three
Speaker 1: big plays on the year so far. And credit the
Speaker 1: Cowboys PR department on that. Sea. Let's talk about those
Speaker 1: numbers after Sunday. Yeah, are they gonna match that number
Speaker 1: on Sunday? Or are we gonna We're gonna see a
Speaker 1: lot of the same here? Uh? When we I mean,
Speaker 1: it's go ahead. I was just gonna I was gonna
Speaker 1: send it to break. So you you you tell me
Speaker 1: what you want to say. Here. Heck, you go go
Speaker 1: to break man, I'm good. Okay. When we come back,
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about about how that offensive line for
Speaker 1: Washington can slow down and match up against this Cowboys
Speaker 1: defensive line, and if we can continue to get a
Speaker 1: push in the middle. But not from veterans, how about
Speaker 1: from a couple of the younger guys when we come
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Speaker 1: would have that clear eye view. Anyways, moving on to
Speaker 1: what we kind of teased a moment ago, whenever it
Speaker 1: comes to this offensive line for Washington going up against
Speaker 1: the defensive line for the Cowboys, and we just talked
Speaker 1: about the edge rushers a little bit, but I want
Speaker 1: to kind of dive into the defensive tackle position. But
Speaker 1: first let me give you some offensive ranks for the
Speaker 1: Washington football team this season. Thirtieth in points per game,
Speaker 1: thirty first, so next to last in total yards per game,
Speaker 1: They're last in rushing yards per game. They're thirtieth in
Speaker 1: third down percentage, so bottom three in the league in
Speaker 1: those four categories. Oh, and they're tied for last in
Speaker 1: terms of thirty point games allowed. As we're given up
Speaker 1: or scored, I guess at the same time, who's who's last? Uh?
Speaker 1: You gotta flip over to the defensive side and give
Speaker 1: out rankings on those there as well. How about points
Speaker 1: per game? Points per game? Last, of course, one of
Speaker 1: the historically bad defense is actually one of the worst
Speaker 1: defenses of all times so far. Uh. Total yards per
Speaker 1: game twenty seventh is the Cowboys defense rushing yards thirty
Speaker 1: first allowed, uh, twenty seventh in terms of third down percentage.
Speaker 1: And then they're lasting turnovers per game and tied for
Speaker 1: lasting thirty point games allowed. So who's last name? Who's
Speaker 1: lasting against the run man? Who's worse than the un
Speaker 1: I don't know if we want to know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I can look it up here in a minute. But uh,
Speaker 1: but yeah, not not good. Let's just say that for
Speaker 1: me in either one of these two sides of the football,
Speaker 1: So it's not pretty. Tomorrow we get to preview the
Speaker 1: Cowboy offense against what is one of the best defensive
Speaker 1: lines in the NFL, in my opinion, but our defensive
Speaker 1: line leaves a lot to be desired guys and rob
Speaker 1: we saw guys like Justin Hamilton get more playing time.
Speaker 1: Juice came in off of the practice squad and really
Speaker 1: actually provided I thought a little bit of jolt, a
Speaker 1: little bit of Juice himself in terms of the way
Speaker 1: that he played on Sunday or excuse me, Monday. And
Speaker 1: then also you brought in guys like Neville Gallimore who
Speaker 1: had some more playing time and things like that. Do
Speaker 1: you expect to see a full time change here in
Speaker 1: a shift of the guard in terms of not a
Speaker 1: lot of Don Terry Poe or Antoine Woods, but maybe
Speaker 1: get a couple of younger guys rotated in there more often.
Speaker 1: I think the coaching staff agrees with you about Justin Hamilton, man.
Speaker 1: I think they liked his energy and yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't see any reason why he couldn't continue to
Speaker 1: get a few more snaps. I don't know what that
Speaker 1: means for Don Terry Poe, but you know Antoine Woods
Speaker 1: was taken snaps from Poe before that. Yeah, So yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think at this point, regardless of name,
Speaker 1: regardless of experience. Whoever's most productive in the middle, they've
Speaker 1: got to get in there and us and Isaiah made
Speaker 1: a great point yesterday about just adding some competition, just
Speaker 1: adding competition through high motor effort guys. That's what Tristan
Speaker 1: Hill brought more than anything. You know, he's a young player,
Speaker 1: still learning, but his motor, his effort was what got
Speaker 1: him a starting job after Jerald McCoy got hurt. That's
Speaker 1: what they needed in the middle. There guys that are
Speaker 1: going to just continue to get after it and try
Speaker 1: to get up field. Yeah. I like Hamilton. I like
Speaker 1: him a lot. And like you said, Kyle, he has
Speaker 1: some plays where you just saw him just pull and
Speaker 1: pushing guys off of him and making a tackle. Those
Speaker 1: are the things that we need on our defensive line,
Speaker 1: the rotation and guys. We've alluded to this before about
Speaker 1: the competition, but getting more guys in rotation. I think
Speaker 1: once Tristan Hill went down, that was one of the
Speaker 1: things that we talked about, Who's gonna be that energy
Speaker 1: guy in Neville gall Moore has feeled that has feeled
Speaker 1: that void. We just are not getting the plays that
Speaker 1: we desire, the pressures and things like that. And maybe
Speaker 1: the situation hasn't been ideal when you go up against
Speaker 1: a mobile a couple few mobile quarterbacks. But we just
Speaker 1: hadn't had any of it and at all, whether it
Speaker 1: been the first quarter or through the fourth quarter. And
Speaker 1: these are the things that has to get better. And
Speaker 1: I don't call you, you pull out the rankings, but
Speaker 1: still you know, JD. McKissick and Antonio Gibson are guys
Speaker 1: that can if you give them confidence. For four quarters man,
Speaker 1: one or two of these guys may have one hundred
Speaker 1: yards at the end of the game. We talk about
Speaker 1: McLaurin and his big playability, but Dontrell Edman, he's capable.
Speaker 1: He's a possession receiver. And I think those are the
Speaker 1: things that are plaguing us as far as allowing teams
Speaker 1: to continue to move the chains and put drives together
Speaker 1: on us, I say, yeah, I don't have much to add.
Speaker 1: I mean, I really touched on the yesterday in terms of,
Speaker 1: you know, the competition side of things. So I think
Speaker 1: the young fellas to keep getting in there and keep
Speaker 1: applying pressure. Um. You know, it's never a bad thing
Speaker 1: when you have some young guys that are that are capable.
Speaker 1: UM and that are that to have a motor and
Speaker 1: that are driven. Right. Um, it's never It's never a
Speaker 1: bad thing ever, Um is he is? He gonna do
Speaker 1: two things for You're gonna make your team better, and
Speaker 1: it's gonna make your your veteran guys that you have
Speaker 1: that you were originally dependent on. It's gonna make them
Speaker 1: step their game up or make them step step aside.
Speaker 1: So either way, it's it's all positive. So it's hopefully
Speaker 1: they do get some more snaps. Okay, So I'm gonna
Speaker 1: give you guys, uh more more likely between the two
Speaker 1: scenarios and the two defensive lines that are going to
Speaker 1: be showcased in this game. So the Cowboys, of course,
Speaker 1: they give up their fair share of sacks and their
Speaker 1: offensive line is banged up right now. So is it
Speaker 1: more likely that the Cowboys offensive line allows let's say,
Speaker 1: four sacks to Andy Dalton from this Washington defensive line,
Speaker 1: or is it more likely that the Cowboys secure two
Speaker 1: sacks of Kyle Allen in terms of what they bring
Speaker 1: to the table from a pass rush per active? Which
Speaker 1: one would you choose? There? Both you which one is
Speaker 1: more likely? Though? Which one is more likely? I think
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a lot of sacks on both sides
Speaker 1: of this game. Well, I think, I mean, your mind
Speaker 1: immediately goes to, oh, gosh, you know, four sacks on
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton got sacked three times last week so against
Speaker 1: this D line. But they're gonna have to They're gonna
Speaker 1: have to get the ball out quick, and Blake Bell
Speaker 1: is gonna have to be, you know, just handcuffed to
Speaker 1: one of the tackles or something. You know, they've got
Speaker 1: to do something to prevent that from happening. And Andy's
Speaker 1: got to make quicker reads and get the ball out faster.
Speaker 1: So if they can, depending on their game plan, maybe
Speaker 1: they can avoid those sacks. But I mean that's the
Speaker 1: first thing to draw that that matchup. We'll talk about
Speaker 1: more tomorrow. That's the key to the game. It really
Speaker 1: is the game, no doubt about it. And I think
Speaker 1: this is also a key to the game. On the
Speaker 1: other shot, even though it's a much I guess less
Speaker 1: pretty matchup overall. Whenever you talk about the Cowboys d
Speaker 1: defensive line versus the Washington offensive line, but Washington gives
Speaker 1: up their sacks. They're last in the league in terms
Speaker 1: of giving up sacks twenty four sacks allowed, so they
Speaker 1: get their fair share on the defensive side of the football,
Speaker 1: but they're gonna allow some at the same time. Hack muh,
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, you talked about it. I won't
Speaker 1: say Walgreen's if Alberson's our X all right could need it,
Speaker 1: and and our defense and our defense has to to
Speaker 1: have a feel good about themselves. Finally, they have an
Speaker 1: offensive line that is they don't have a lot bunch
Speaker 1: of dudes on it that you worry about. This is
Speaker 1: an average offensive, that below average offensive as a giant. No, no,
Speaker 1: And that's my point, right, that's my point, And that's
Speaker 1: where you have to finally take that next step as
Speaker 1: a group if we're doing this week by week by week,
Speaker 1: to actually do some of the things that the numbers
Speaker 1: say that you're capable of doing. And Tank Lawrence Alden
Speaker 1: Smith hopefully his neck is better. But Randy Gregory we
Speaker 1: talked about him also, and Kyle kind of tempered our
Speaker 1: enthusiasm about him, but not we just need guys that
Speaker 1: are going to get after he is right, and and
Speaker 1: we just need a guy that's gonna be actively around
Speaker 1: and having Kyle Allen hear those footsteps of guy's coming.
Speaker 1: We just hadn't produced that pressure, and we don't want
Speaker 1: a below average team to start to feel above average.
Speaker 1: And the contest versus us that reminds me heck, but
Speaker 1: did we didn't get to ask this earlier in the show.
Speaker 1: But do we have the disaster that we thought we
Speaker 1: might have had on our hands at the end of
Speaker 1: yesterday's show happened? Or were we able to avoid that?
Speaker 1: In terms of the Santa Claus things, I am no,
Speaker 1: it was a disaster. I monumentally Uh yeah, stuck my
Speaker 1: foot in my mouth. I'm on a bit of a
Speaker 1: husband punishment right now, you guys. Sticks Oh no, oh
Speaker 1: and ms melly stick is not a good sin. Oh no?
Speaker 1: Isaias Isaiah's looking guilty down in the bottom bottom left
Speaker 1: hand corner. Wow. Hey, Well for the kids out there, man,
Speaker 1: Christmas is the real things. It's awesome. It's a it's
Speaker 1: grantas comment a couple months man, thank your list. Check
Speaker 1: them twice, Yeah, check it twice, and make sure that
Speaker 1: we don't talk about that kind of stuff on here. Twice,
Speaker 1: I guess. But that'll do it here for talking cowboys
Speaker 1: preview in that Washington offense versus the defense of the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys. Hopefully the Cowboys have an uptick on the
Speaker 1: defensive side of the football, because we really needed moving forward.
Speaker 1: But we're glad you've been with us here over the
Speaker 1: last forty five minutes. We'll be back tomorrow. Say it
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