WEBVTT - How Sushi Works 0:00:00.920 --> 0:00:10.959 Welcome to stuff you should know Frondhouse stuff works dot com. Hey, 0:00:11.080 --> 0:00:14.159 welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. With me as 0:00:14.200 --> 0:00:19.480 always is the dour Charles w Chuck Bryant and Jerry, 0:00:20.040 --> 0:00:22.880 who's snortling over there, which is kind of like a 0:00:24.440 --> 0:00:27.080 like a laughing through your nose. What I thought, dour? 0:00:27.360 --> 0:00:29.240 I thought it meant like a gloomy or something. Yeah, 0:00:29.240 --> 0:00:32.880 you seem a little bluemy today. No, do you think 0:00:32.880 --> 0:00:37.880 the smile is space? Yeah? That one, man. I wish 0:00:37.920 --> 0:00:39.960 I had a picture of that. We could put that 0:00:40.000 --> 0:00:44.239 on a T shirt, and then I could wear that 0:00:44.479 --> 0:00:46.879 T shirt, and then you could get a picture of 0:00:46.920 --> 0:00:48.800 me wearing that T shirt and put that on a 0:00:48.840 --> 0:00:51.040 T shirt and wear that T shirt and so on 0:00:51.080 --> 0:00:53.560 and so forth. It would be like Ryan Gosling and 0:00:53.880 --> 0:01:04.520 mcaul yep. That to Beau this time though? This time? Yeah, alright, alright, 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:09.360 you're always making me be Ryan Gossly. Who wants that? Nobody? 0:01:11.120 --> 0:01:13.600 How are you? I'm good man, I gotta tell you so. 0:01:13.600 --> 0:01:15.440 We're about to do sushi. By the way, this thing 0:01:15.480 --> 0:01:18.360 made me really hungry. Oh my god, I want sushi 0:01:18.520 --> 0:01:22.760 so bad now and have for days. Now. Just remember 0:01:22.800 --> 0:01:25.839 the yawning episode and people are like, oh, I listen 0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:27.920 to this and I yawn the entire time. Yeah, well, 0:01:27.920 --> 0:01:30.480 prepared to want sushi everybody, Even if you don't like 0:01:30.560 --> 0:01:33.920 sushi or never had sushi, I guarantee you you will 0:01:34.000 --> 0:01:36.280 want sushi by the end of this or we will 0:01:36.319 --> 0:01:39.679 give you your money back for this episode. So you've 0:01:39.680 --> 0:01:42.360 had sushi, yeah, I mean it's one. It's one of 0:01:42.360 --> 0:01:44.560 my favorite foods. I could live in Japan and eat 0:01:44.560 --> 0:01:48.000 sushi every day. Yes, I'm going to Japan next year 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:50.040 and I plan on eating sushi every day. I would 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:52.680 have I would not get sick of it. No, No, 0:01:52.800 --> 0:01:55.760 it'd be really tough to especially with the variety of 0:01:56.120 --> 0:02:00.120 do you know everybody thinks sushi is basically like, um, 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:03.320 a little bite of rice with a bunch of ingredients 0:02:03.360 --> 0:02:05.600 tucked in it or on top of it. Yeah, or 0:02:05.680 --> 0:02:08.240 maybe it's like a little little lump of rice with 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:10.880 some you know, fish on under something. There's a whole 0:02:11.000 --> 0:02:14.079 galaxy of sushi out there, especially when you go to Japan. 0:02:14.120 --> 0:02:16.600 I mean, just prepared to have your mind blown. I mean, 0:02:16.639 --> 0:02:18.799 you've had it before, but yeah, my buddy Jason lives 0:02:18.840 --> 0:02:20.920 up it there and it's like, it's not like sushi 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:23.520 Avenue here, Indicator Georgia, does he ever mail you sushi? 0:02:24.639 --> 0:02:28.240 It probably wouldn't stay very well. Um, but if you 0:02:28.720 --> 0:02:30.560 figured out a way to stick it into one of 0:02:30.560 --> 0:02:35.160 those live organ courier things, it would be great. Uh. 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:38.760 I don't think so well. You know, if you eat 0:02:39.720 --> 0:02:43.960 raw sushi here, with the exception of tuna, and by 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:48.160 here I mean the United States, Um, it's not fresh. 0:02:48.320 --> 0:02:52.359 It's been frozen by law except for tuna. And I 0:02:52.400 --> 0:02:55.440 couldn't find out why tuna was the only exception, But 0:02:55.720 --> 0:02:58.880 all fish that's intended to be served raw has to 0:02:58.919 --> 0:03:02.000 be frozen. US frozen is fine, And then of course 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:05.000 thought back out, but it can't just be from the 0:03:05.040 --> 0:03:08.760 ocean to your plate. Yeah, and before the pedantic ones 0:03:09.120 --> 0:03:12.359 among you start emailing, Josh said sushi when he was 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:15.480 talking about raw fish and infects, Sushi is rice and 0:03:15.520 --> 0:03:22.560 that is sushimi, using the colloquial exactly. When people say, hey, 0:03:22.639 --> 0:03:27.200 let's go out for sushi, it's like a a genre 0:03:27.280 --> 0:03:30.040 of food, like hey, let's go out for Italian and 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:32.520 you don't go and they say, actually, that's a Sicilian 0:03:33.000 --> 0:03:36.760 item of food. Yeah, if this is ringing true to 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:40.040 you and it's reminding you of yourself. Take a take. 0:03:40.280 --> 0:03:43.320 You need to do some personality changes. If this is 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:46.760 your friend, then you should surround yourself with higher quality 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:48.920 people in that. Yeah, I mean go out for sushi. 0:03:48.960 --> 0:03:50.840 That means you can have me so soup, and that 0:03:50.840 --> 0:03:53.680 means going out for sushi and you can have uh 0:03:53.960 --> 0:03:56.560 like at a mammy and a seaweed salad. And that's 0:03:56.560 --> 0:03:59.000 all part of the experience that's going out for sushi 0:03:59.360 --> 0:04:02.520 yah and this country it basically is shorthand for Japanese. 0:04:02.920 --> 0:04:06.840 You're going out for Japanese, yes, sort of, but not hibachi. 0:04:07.680 --> 0:04:13.760 Habachi is not Japanese. Is strictly a Rocky Aoki American. Yes, 0:04:13.840 --> 0:04:15.800 I mean they do have habaski girls and stuff like that, 0:04:15.800 --> 0:04:20.600 but the experience, the benni hana version totally American invention. 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:22.760 I've never been to one of those places. Oh yeah, 0:04:22.800 --> 0:04:25.080 I mean it's like there's a guy like chopping and 0:04:25.120 --> 0:04:30.080 cooking and and like tossing stuff into his hat and everything. Alright, 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:33.919 So chuck Um, thank you for pointing out the sushi thing, 0:04:33.960 --> 0:04:36.039 because I am going to do that a lot. And 0:04:36.120 --> 0:04:39.200 we should say when if you are specifically talking about 0:04:39.200 --> 0:04:44.440 sushi in Japan. You're talking about. Um. Vinegard rice is 0:04:44.560 --> 0:04:48.359 roughly what the word means, medium or short grain. The 0:04:48.480 --> 0:04:52.160 stuff that's on top, Um, the neta, which is a 0:04:52.200 --> 0:04:56.799 fish seafood topping that you put on sushi is actually 0:04:57.320 --> 0:05:00.599 that raw fish is called sashimi like you said it. Yeah, 0:05:00.839 --> 0:05:02.560 you can eat that by itself as well. If it's 0:05:02.600 --> 0:05:06.680 fried stuff, it's called tempura. Yeah. Different types of sushi 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:10.480 have different kinds of names. But UM, let's get into this, 0:05:10.520 --> 0:05:12.839 shall we. Let's let's talk about the history, because this 0:05:12.880 --> 0:05:16.800 whole thing didn't even start in Japan. Yeah, it's pretty interesting, uh. 0:05:16.839 --> 0:05:18.560 I mean, if you look at sushi, there's a lot 0:05:18.560 --> 0:05:22.120 of folklore surrounding it, Um, a lot of mysterious origins. Um. 0:05:22.160 --> 0:05:24.560 One of the old wives tales from Japan is that 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:28.400 funny It just appeared out of nowhere one day, mysteriously. 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:31.000 Uh No, it just means it can't be there now, 0:05:31.120 --> 0:05:34.920 I'm just teasing. You're joshing, I am josh in the chuck. 0:05:35.040 --> 0:05:38.160 That's right. Uh. There's an old Japanese wives tale about 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:41.200 an elderly lady who would hide her rights from thieves 0:05:41.240 --> 0:05:44.520 and osprey nests, and she would forget where they were, 0:05:44.640 --> 0:05:46.520 and they would ferment the rice wood and then the 0:05:47.080 --> 0:05:49.680 seafood that the osprey would eat would fall down in there, 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:53.039 and waila, that was the first sushi. Yes, that's a 0:05:53.040 --> 0:05:55.520 great story. But it's a lie. Yeah, not necessarily, it's not. 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:59.360 It's not a lies folklore, which are lies. I guess 0:05:59.400 --> 0:06:02.720 it's told by old ladies. Very harsh way to say it. Um. 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:09.680 So there's the The earliest sushi supposedly was around in 0:06:09.680 --> 0:06:15.400 in Southeast Asia, in I don't know, years ago. They 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:18.840 were taking cooked rice which does ferment, and packing fish 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:21.600 in it, and then the fermentation of the rice, yeah, 0:06:21.600 --> 0:06:25.400 I kept it long before refrigeration, but it also kind 0:06:25.400 --> 0:06:29.039 of pickled the fish. But then once the fish was 0:06:29.040 --> 0:06:30.760 pickled over the course of like weeks, and they would 0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:32.880 place it under like a heavy stone or something like 0:06:32.920 --> 0:06:36.839 that to basically compress it. And once the once the 0:06:36.880 --> 0:06:38.680 fish was pickled, they throw the rice out and to 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:41.720 seat the fish. Yes, and in fact, a sushi kitchen 0:06:41.760 --> 0:06:44.799 can be called a suki bar or a pickling place. 0:06:46.320 --> 0:06:50.600 That's bam. The original version of sushi was basically fermented 0:06:50.720 --> 0:06:54.600 fish that was fermented with rice. Pickled fish fermented with rice. 0:06:55.400 --> 0:06:57.120 Then they threw the rice out. Somebody said, well, wait 0:06:57.120 --> 0:06:59.960 a minute, does this rice taste like, Oh my god, 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:03.360 this is delicious, And what would it taste like if 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:05.960 I put this fermentued fish on the rice? And they went, 0:07:06.000 --> 0:07:08.440 oh my god, this is even better. So they said, well, 0:07:08.520 --> 0:07:10.480 let's try this a different way. If we're not gonna 0:07:10.520 --> 0:07:13.200 throw the fish or throw the rice out, let's actually 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:16.240 gut the fish. And this is the tenth century, by 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:19.280 the way, and by now this is in Japan. Um, 0:07:19.440 --> 0:07:22.360 let's get the fish, soak it in saki, which is 0:07:22.440 --> 0:07:26.920 Japanese rice wine, and then pack that thing full of 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:30.440 rice and let that ferment and then after a few 0:07:30.440 --> 0:07:34.640 weeks we'll just slice it and then eat that. Yeah, 0:07:34.640 --> 0:07:36.800 And each each of these steps basically is speeding the 0:07:36.840 --> 0:07:40.120 process up a lot. Like the very first process took 0:07:40.120 --> 0:07:42.120 about a year and a half, did it And it 0:07:42.160 --> 0:07:45.360 was only for like the uber wealthy. Once they added sake, though, 0:07:45.360 --> 0:07:47.720 that speeded that up. That speeded that up, and that 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:52.040 stuff still around. It's called nara sushi or rice sushi. Yeah, 0:07:52.120 --> 0:07:54.760 I'm sorry, ripe sushi, and apparently you can still get that. 0:07:54.800 --> 0:07:57.280 And it's a little like for your American taste buds. 0:07:57.280 --> 0:07:59.280 It might taste a little funny, but I'll bet once 0:07:59.320 --> 0:08:01.360 you get used to you're like, this is I have 0:08:01.440 --> 0:08:04.200 to have us all the time. Probably so. Uh So. 0:08:04.240 --> 0:08:07.760 Then in the sixteen hundreds, early sixteen hundreds of Japanese 0:08:07.840 --> 0:08:12.640 military leader name Tokugawa Aye Yasu. We're gonna do our 0:08:12.640 --> 0:08:16.760 best with these Japanese pronunciations. Yes, give us a break. Uh. 0:08:16.800 --> 0:08:19.760 He moved the capital from Kyoto to Ito, which would 0:08:19.840 --> 0:08:22.800 later become Tokyo, and by the nineteenth century it was 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:26.720 a hoppin city. And in the mid seventeen hundreds they 0:08:26.720 --> 0:08:30.880 sped up that process a little bit more by skipping 0:08:30.920 --> 0:08:34.360 the saki and using rice vinegar, yeah, which made it 0:08:34.400 --> 0:08:39.000 like a matter of days after that for a couple hours, right, yeah, 0:08:39.000 --> 0:08:41.200 which is what I was following up with, Yeah, which 0:08:41.200 --> 0:08:43.160 is I mean that's super quick, and then you would 0:08:43.200 --> 0:08:46.680 fly set into pieces and uh again just cutting that 0:08:46.720 --> 0:08:50.360 preparation time. Yeah. And then in um Kyoto, which was 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:54.760 the former uh seat of power in Japan before it 0:08:54.800 --> 0:08:58.400 was moved to Ato or Tokyo, um they would take 0:08:58.640 --> 0:09:01.720 that vinegar and in some ingredients maybe a little cucumber, 0:09:01.800 --> 0:09:04.360 a little dried seaweed, which is known as nori, and 0:09:04.400 --> 0:09:06.360 they put it in a box and press it together 0:09:06.920 --> 0:09:10.480 and you'd have oshi sushi, which is Osaka style sushi. 0:09:10.520 --> 0:09:14.640 It's it's like a square of sushi, right. And there 0:09:14.720 --> 0:09:18.559 was a guy who lived in Ato in Tokyo in 0:09:18.600 --> 0:09:22.640 the eighteen twenties, and his name was Yohei Hanaya, and 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:25.000 he had a little cart where he was making oshi 0:09:25.080 --> 0:09:27.880 sushi and everybody liked it and all that. But apparently, 0:09:27.960 --> 0:09:30.880 as the story goes, some of his customers were like, 0:09:31.000 --> 0:09:33.240 I'm very busy and important and I don't have time 0:09:33.280 --> 0:09:35.200 for you to press this into a box. That's hurry up. 0:09:35.280 --> 0:09:37.800 Make it snappy. So he took some of that rice, 0:09:37.920 --> 0:09:40.080 that vinegar flavored rice, and rolled it up in his 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:41.840 hand a little bit, and then he would take some 0:09:41.920 --> 0:09:45.120 fish that was taken out of Tokyo bay or Edo. 0:09:45.280 --> 0:09:47.000 May I mean. He was set up right there on 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:49.320 the water exactly, and he cut off a little bit 0:09:49.360 --> 0:09:51.599 of slice and put it in there, maybe with the 0:09:51.640 --> 0:09:54.200 streak of a sabi, and handed it to the He said, here, jerk, 0:09:54.320 --> 0:09:56.920 is that fast enough? That took me like three minutes exactly, 0:09:56.960 --> 0:09:59.959 And they said, well, by god, this is Japanese street food. 0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:03.120 That is fast food that we can use our hands 0:10:03.200 --> 0:10:07.920 for and eating two bites and nigiri sushi. Uh, what 0:10:08.080 --> 0:10:10.600 a lot of people think of as sushi was born. 0:10:10.720 --> 0:10:13.600 The modern sushi was born right there in that food stall, 0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:16.960 that's right. And then the Great Canto earthquake hit Tokyo 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:19.520 and land prices went down, and all of a sudden 0:10:19.520 --> 0:10:22.440 there was a lot of retail space, and so the 0:10:22.480 --> 0:10:25.360 sushi car said, hey, maybe we should move these things 0:10:25.400 --> 0:10:28.719 inside and started a legit restaurant. And it happened all 0:10:28.720 --> 0:10:30.720 over the place, and by the nineteen fifties it was 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:35.880 the sushi restaurant was where it was at. Yes, basically 0:10:36.360 --> 0:10:40.720 in the nineteen thirties, yes, to refrigeration, you could chip fish. 0:10:40.800 --> 0:10:43.199 By the seventies and the post war economy, people were 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:47.040 loving the stuff. So it started to boom in other 0:10:47.240 --> 0:10:49.000 like all over Japan, and then started to spread to 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:50.520 other parts of the world. It did, and in the 0:10:50.600 --> 0:10:54.520 United States it was first adopted in the sixties in 0:10:54.600 --> 0:10:57.160 Los Angeles. Of course it was Los Angeles. There was 0:10:57.200 --> 0:11:00.280 a place called Kawa Fuku and that was the first 0:11:00.720 --> 0:11:06.679 big American embraced um sushi restaurant in the United States. 0:11:07.440 --> 0:11:10.440 And and then the yuppies came, and you think, like 0:11:10.600 --> 0:11:15.360 eighties in sushi, right, I do, I always have, Yeah, 0:11:15.400 --> 0:11:18.880 But apparently it wasn't until like the nineties that sushi 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:22.280 really hit New York. And it was because of a 0:11:22.640 --> 0:11:26.880 unknown man named Robert de Niro who who talked the 0:11:27.480 --> 0:11:34.120 chef of Nobu, whose name is uh Nobu Yuki Matsu. 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:36.480 I'm gonna be in so much trouble when I get home. 0:11:37.360 --> 0:11:43.360 So de Niro talked the chef of Nobu, Nobu Yuki Matsushisa. 0:11:44.040 --> 0:11:46.640 I think that's it. It's really close, if not to 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:50.200 open Nobu, which was already an l A icon in 0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:53.719 New York in So apparently sushi didn't hit New York 0:11:53.760 --> 0:11:55.680 big time until the nineties, even though I think of 0:11:55.720 --> 0:11:59.640 it like total American psycho fodder. Yeah, I mean it 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:02.079 was a sound I think it probably the explosion didn't. 0:12:02.280 --> 0:12:04.679 I mean, it was very much a California thing. Um. 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:06.720 That first restaurant was a little tokyo in l A. 0:12:07.320 --> 0:12:09.960 And then in the seventies they opened one in Hollywood 0:12:10.400 --> 0:12:14.480 called Oshow in nineteen seventy and that was you know, 0:12:14.559 --> 0:12:17.720 that was when the celebrity started going and they was like, oh, 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:19.920 Oh my god, this is so exotic and delicious and 0:12:20.240 --> 0:12:23.440 I could eat it every day. And um, something really 0:12:23.480 --> 0:12:27.920 really big happened in nineteen seventy three. Um, there was 0:12:28.120 --> 0:12:32.679 a place in Los Angeles, uh, and there was a 0:12:32.720 --> 0:12:37.040 sushi chef there. His name was Manashita, and Manashita created 0:12:37.160 --> 0:12:40.240 an inside out roll a maki which is maki sushi 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:42.920 is a hand roll or no, it's a role that 0:12:43.040 --> 0:12:44.840 used a bamboo mat for We'll get into it. So 0:12:45.080 --> 0:12:47.960 was it inside out a regular inside out maki roll 0:12:49.240 --> 0:12:54.560 with avocado, crab and cucumber, that's right, yes, okay. And 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:58.199 he made the California role and that became the entree, 0:12:58.280 --> 0:13:00.480 Like that's the gateway drug to sushi for a lot 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:02.720 of Americans. Yeah, because it doesn't have the raw fish 0:13:02.720 --> 0:13:04.439 in there. If you're creeped out by that, it's like 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:06.560 you can start on the California roll and be like, oh, 0:13:06.600 --> 0:13:08.120 this is just sort of like a salad, all right, 0:13:08.120 --> 0:13:10.920 And then once you go and eat California rolls enough times, 0:13:10.960 --> 0:13:13.400 you're like, well, maybe I will try a bite of that, 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:18.000 and once you do, you're never going back. It's like 0:13:18.040 --> 0:13:20.760 I can still lead a California roll like a bite 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:22.840 of it or something like that. But I'm more like, 0:13:23.160 --> 0:13:25.280 that's a waste of sushi, Like I want I want 0:13:25.600 --> 0:13:28.240 good nagiri or yeah, if I've got that, I'll put 0:13:28.280 --> 0:13:31.880 that six dollars towards something else. Yeah, but I'll make 0:13:31.880 --> 0:13:34.240 a California roll at home because it's uh, oh you 0:13:34.360 --> 0:13:37.559 making my home. Yeah, And well we'll get we'll get 0:13:37.559 --> 0:13:40.720 to all that. So Chuck, that's the history of sushi 0:13:40.840 --> 0:13:47.400 up to right now. Now, um, yeah, let's let's talk 0:13:47.440 --> 0:14:01.240 about fish in a second. Let's take a message break first. Okay, 0:14:01.320 --> 0:14:03.959 so we're talking about fish. Raw Fish is a common 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:06.719 ingredient when you go to a sushi restaurant. But if 0:14:06.720 --> 0:14:08.680 you're not into that, there are plenty of other offerings. 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:12.920 You've talked about tempora, We talked about the California California roll. 0:14:13.040 --> 0:14:16.040 You can that can be uh, you can use veggies. 0:14:16.160 --> 0:14:19.280 This article says virtually any type of vegetable, but completely 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:22.600 disagree with that. Yeah, Like you're not gonna roll up 0:14:22.640 --> 0:14:26.160 broccoli or cauliflower and sushi, are you? No? But man, 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:30.640 I am crazy for ground up cauliflower as like a 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:34.200 rice substitute or something like that, or like massed potato 0:14:34.240 --> 0:14:39.440 substude like collie taters, like puade califlower so good. Yeah. 0:14:39.440 --> 0:14:41.680 I've been making collie taters for years, dude. I spend 0:14:41.760 --> 0:14:44.800 my entire life up until like a couple of months ago, 0:14:45.320 --> 0:14:48.640 hating cauliflower. I never told you about collie taters. No, 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:51.440 I've heard of it before. I just never really tried it. 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:53.200 But you mean, and I like started making it, and 0:14:53.200 --> 0:14:55.960 I'm like, wow, this is good. Yeah, and it's you know, 0:14:56.120 --> 0:14:58.160 I hate it when people say he's just like something. 0:14:58.320 --> 0:15:03.280 It doesn't taste just thing, but it's it's got its consistency, 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:07.640 then it's good. Right. It mimics the consistency, not the taste. Yeah, 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:11.960 but the taste isn't too far off. I mean, yeah, 0:15:11.960 --> 0:15:14.680 it doesn't taste like rotted horsemeat compared to like mashed 0:15:14.720 --> 0:15:17.360 potatoes or something. But I think it's like it's its 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:21.160 own distinct thing it is. So that's my treatise on cauliflower. Yeah. 0:15:21.280 --> 0:15:24.640 You won't put cauliflower in your sushi though, but you 0:15:24.640 --> 0:15:29.640 can find asparagus and sushi fairly frequently. YEA cucumber, Uh, well, 0:15:29.680 --> 0:15:32.720 I guess that's it. No, there's some more stuff. Mushrooms. 0:15:33.240 --> 0:15:35.200 Oh yeah, mushrooms it's a big staple of a lot 0:15:35.240 --> 0:15:37.360 of sushi. That was the third one. Yeah, it's some 0:15:37.440 --> 0:15:42.440 nice shitakis boom. Have you been to Umi Sushi yet? Uh? Now, 0:15:42.920 --> 0:15:45.840 it is amazing. Yeah. The one I've been on lately 0:15:45.960 --> 0:15:49.160 is um shoot. I can't think of the name of 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:53.120 it now, uh me so I think is the name 0:15:53.160 --> 0:15:55.480 of it in the old fourth word. And it's good, 0:15:55.520 --> 0:15:58.560 little pricey but you know, oh yeah, Misosakaya. Yeah yeah, yeah, 0:15:58.560 --> 0:16:00.240 it's supposed to be real good. It's good stuff. It's 0:16:00.280 --> 0:16:04.000 more um it's like new veau sushi, which I guess 0:16:04.080 --> 0:16:06.040 Umi Sushi is kind of. But they have like a 0:16:06.400 --> 0:16:09.000 like an old traditional sushi chef running the place there. 0:16:09.200 --> 0:16:12.080 Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean in America, you're gonna find 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:15.880 some variations. And in fact, the inside out roll apparently 0:16:16.000 --> 0:16:19.240 is a totally American thing, even though it has now 0:16:19.320 --> 0:16:21.840 since found its way over to Japan. But it did 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:25.880 not originate in Japan, right, No, the reverse roll or 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:28.280 inside out it was like an echo that came back 0:16:29.200 --> 0:16:31.240 by storm. And if you don't know what we're talking about, 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:32.840 that's when the rice is on the outside of the 0:16:32.960 --> 0:16:35.160 roll and the nori is on the inside instead of 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:38.080 the other way around. Yes, alright, so Chuck, if you argue, 0:16:38.160 --> 0:16:41.560 use fish or you're ordering at a a sushi place. 0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:44.720 The most of the fish are gonna see is um 0:16:44.800 --> 0:16:48.400 salt water see see fish. Yeah, you don't want to 0:16:48.440 --> 0:16:51.120 trout roll No. And the reason why it is because 0:16:52.000 --> 0:16:55.880 freshwater fish are much more prone to parasites. The saltwater fish. 0:16:56.240 --> 0:17:00.720 Parasites don't like salt as much. Right, yeah. Um, But 0:17:01.000 --> 0:17:05.040 occasionally you will see a freshwater seafood. There's like a 0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:08.240 type of eel that's really good, that's fresh water. Yeah, 0:17:08.440 --> 0:17:12.600 I love the eel. Is always get the two eels confused, 0:17:12.800 --> 0:17:14.919 and I always get like, after all these years, I 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:18.120 still can't commit it to memory, and about every third 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:20.440 time order the wrong one. Oh really, I don't think 0:17:20.440 --> 0:17:22.520 I've ever had the saltwater eel. Yeah. I mean it's 0:17:22.520 --> 0:17:24.280 not bad, of course, but I like the like the 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:26.840 freshwater more. Yeah, I do too. And you can buy 0:17:26.880 --> 0:17:28.240 I make that's one of the ones that make at home. 0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:30.800 You can there's a great Japanese market over by the 0:17:31.160 --> 0:17:33.920 farmer's market and you can buy it and the refrigerator 0:17:33.960 --> 0:17:36.000 and they make it in the oven. And yeah, because 0:17:36.040 --> 0:17:38.320 that's the thing. If you order the freshwater eel like 0:17:38.359 --> 0:17:40.720 it does. It doesn't come raw like it's seared or 0:17:40.760 --> 0:17:43.280 something like that. Yeah, it's like a seared then like 0:17:43.280 --> 0:17:46.919 a karyaki sauce. So delicious it is. Man, you know 0:17:47.040 --> 0:17:51.600 it's okay. So you're gonna have freshwater fish, yeah, um 0:17:51.720 --> 0:17:55.120 or freshwater seafood most of the time, saltwater saltwater, thank 0:17:55.119 --> 0:18:00.200 you man and um. One of the most highly prized 0:18:00.640 --> 0:18:04.080 seafood that you're going to find in sushi of any 0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:07.800 type is tuna. And there's different types of tuna. Um. 0:18:08.280 --> 0:18:11.919 They they'll they'll use a yellow finn, big guy, blue 0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:15.440 fine and blue finn is the most expensive one. And 0:18:15.520 --> 0:18:18.200 apparently it wasn't until the fifties that the Japanese came 0:18:18.200 --> 0:18:20.760 to prize bluefin. Like before they used it for caffood. 0:18:20.760 --> 0:18:22.679 Like they wouldn't even eat that stuff. Yeah, that's what 0:18:22.760 --> 0:18:25.959 I heard, Like the belly is was originally and now 0:18:26.000 --> 0:18:28.240 it's like the prize and the belly now or used 0:18:28.240 --> 0:18:30.600 to be, like they wouldn't eat it. Yeah. Actually, the 0:18:30.680 --> 0:18:35.200 record for the highest priced fish ever sold I believe 0:18:35.240 --> 0:18:39.080 anywhere um was sold at the Tokyo Fish Market last year. 0:18:39.359 --> 0:18:41.959 It was a four ninety pound blue fin tuna. How 0:18:42.040 --> 0:18:46.040 much at one point eight million dollars, Holy crap for 0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:49.600 just that tuna. And I guarantee they made their money. 0:18:49.600 --> 0:18:52.399 And then something man, yeah, that's a big tuna. I 0:18:52.400 --> 0:18:53.760 feel kind of bad for that guy, even though I 0:18:53.840 --> 0:18:56.800 love to eat him so much. The tuna, well, there's 0:18:56.840 --> 0:19:00.560 definitely a moral thread that runs through tuna or not sushi, 0:19:01.160 --> 0:19:03.960 like apparently yellow fin tuna. Farm raised tuna or raised 0:19:03.960 --> 0:19:06.720 a lot like veal and fatten until their muscles deteriorate 0:19:06.800 --> 0:19:11.159 alive um and and then of course there's the have 0:19:11.240 --> 0:19:16.159 you seen the raw or live frog video? There is 0:19:16.200 --> 0:19:23.400 a type of sushi that is it's called um iki zukuri, 0:19:23.520 --> 0:19:27.359 which is live sushi, and there's an iki zukuri video. 0:19:27.640 --> 0:19:31.520 And if you have a light stomach at all or 0:19:31.600 --> 0:19:35.159 anything like that, are bothered by animals being killed, like 0:19:35.320 --> 0:19:38.439 you should not watch this. But the point is you 0:19:38.760 --> 0:19:42.480 eat the thing while it's basically part of it is 0:19:42.480 --> 0:19:45.240 still alive on the plate looking at you like this 0:19:45.280 --> 0:19:48.760 frog is sitting there blinking. It's a frog. There's a frog. 0:19:48.880 --> 0:19:51.239 And I can't remember what the other one is, but 0:19:51.280 --> 0:19:54.000 there's they showed two things being prepared. It's not. Have 0:19:54.080 --> 0:19:56.800 you have you seen Old Boy the original? Remember he 0:19:56.800 --> 0:20:00.600 eats that squid live, that's a that's live sushi. Wow, 0:20:00.720 --> 0:20:04.520 Like that was real. Yeah, not for me, And yeah 0:20:04.800 --> 0:20:07.920 you get pretty adventurous. That would you do that? Probably 0:20:08.280 --> 0:20:11.080 just to try it? Yeah, I mean it's just like, 0:20:11.160 --> 0:20:14.600 I know everything is killed that we eat, right, but 0:20:14.680 --> 0:20:17.960 it's just like, I don't know being confronted with it. 0:20:18.320 --> 0:20:20.440 Who knows that. I can imagine some of the people 0:20:20.440 --> 0:20:22.720 who are into like that slow food movement are like, well, yeah, 0:20:22.760 --> 0:20:24.600 that's the way you should do it. You should have 0:20:24.640 --> 0:20:27.200 to confront the death while you eat. No. I mean 0:20:27.359 --> 0:20:29.239 a lot of people would say it's hypocritical to not 0:20:29.280 --> 0:20:32.080 do that, you know, right, but a lot of butte 0:20:32.800 --> 0:20:34.720 a lot of people are comfortable with that. Emily won't 0:20:34.760 --> 0:20:36.520 eat anything that reminds her of an animal, Like she 0:20:36.560 --> 0:20:39.800 didn't even like bones in her chicken. Yeah. Uh. And 0:20:40.280 --> 0:20:42.240 like if someone surved her a fish with a head 0:20:42.240 --> 0:20:45.480 on it, like fully cooked, she would just be like, no, no, no, no, 0:20:45.880 --> 0:20:48.720 that fish is looking at me. It's like the duck 0:20:48.880 --> 0:20:55.840 in a Christmas story. Yeah he's smiling. Uh. Okay, So 0:20:55.920 --> 0:20:59.320 we're talking about tuna. Tuna is delicious salmon is delicious 0:20:59.480 --> 0:21:03.880 yellow tail and hamachi and surf clam, and there's all 0:21:03.920 --> 0:21:07.040 sorts of delicious seafood that you can get on your 0:21:07.040 --> 0:21:09.880 sushi or in your rolls, and then you just spread 0:21:09.880 --> 0:21:11.960 out from there. If there's a fried chicken in there, 0:21:12.119 --> 0:21:15.760 it might be a little too Americanized, although that's what 0:21:15.760 --> 0:21:18.320 you're into, then great, well it would be considered temporal 0:21:18.440 --> 0:21:22.239 chicken in that case. Yeah, but yeah, come on, if 0:21:22.240 --> 0:21:24.840 there's fried chicken and mayonnaise rolled up in rice, then 0:21:25.040 --> 0:21:27.000 that sounds kind of good. Well, I know, but it's 0:21:27.160 --> 0:21:32.199 is it sushi? Well, Rogers Roasters. I feel like there's 0:21:32.280 --> 0:21:34.920 been kind of you know, there's definitely a traditional thread 0:21:34.960 --> 0:21:37.240 of sushi, right, yeah, I don't know, mind mixing it 0:21:37.320 --> 0:21:40.639 up a little bit, and there's like traditional preparations and 0:21:40.640 --> 0:21:43.560 then there's traditional ingredients. But then it's like you said, 0:21:43.600 --> 0:21:46.159 you know, in the seventies, when the California role was 0:21:46.240 --> 0:21:48.800 made here in America, it was sent back and now 0:21:48.840 --> 0:21:51.439 you can get a California role pretty much anywhere in Japan, 0:21:52.359 --> 0:21:56.200 and it's expanded from there. So I think, yeah, I 0:21:56.200 --> 0:21:58.680 think sushi is kind of this evolving thing. I've seen 0:21:58.760 --> 0:22:01.399 cereals added have you seen that like corn flakes or 0:22:01.440 --> 0:22:04.200 rice crispies on top. Yeah, I'm not into that either 0:22:04.359 --> 0:22:07.159 for crunch, yeah, or or or squirting a bunch of 0:22:07.200 --> 0:22:10.399 sauce on top. I'm not a big fan of that either. Yeah. Well, 0:22:10.440 --> 0:22:12.639