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Speaker 2: Drilled by Simmons. Isaiah Simmons is balling, breaking on, break

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Speaker 2: it on. Swim to the ground by Puda Baker Like

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Speaker 2: a torpedo. He came flying into the backfield. I ain't

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Speaker 2: producer at Cardinals Underground. Here brought to you by Pacific

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Speaker 2: Office Automation. We were talking about how we live in

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Speaker 2: confusing times, do we not? Danny Surrek, Darren Urban And

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Speaker 2: you're saying, okay, Poly Podcasts narrow that down a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, are we going back to UFOs here.

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Speaker 2: No, that was last week. That was so last week, Danny.

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Speaker 2: Although if you want me to go to the update desk,

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Speaker 2: I will buy the end of this edition. We weren't

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Speaker 2: even talking about that, or live Golf and PGA combining forces,

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Speaker 2: or even Lebron going to Dallas with Kyrie. Okay, none

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Speaker 2: of that. We're talking about this new mixed reality headset

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Speaker 2: that Apple's coming out with. Did you see this? No,

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Speaker 2: Before you can understand what this is all about, first

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Speaker 2: you have to understand what is mixed reality versus virtual

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Speaker 2: reality versus the soon to be upcoming augmented reality. It's

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Speaker 2: all very confusing.

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Speaker 4: I have no idea, and I.

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Speaker 2: Throw that out there not to talk about the new

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Speaker 2: mixed reality headset. Who I'm looking here? It says, Oh wait,

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Speaker 2: it's all about immersive entertainment where you can wrap yourself

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Speaker 2: into your content. They're goggles. It's sort of like V goggles.

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Speaker 2: One big difference I'm told or I've read, is that

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Speaker 2: VR goggles you can't see your surroundings, and the feedback

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Speaker 2: from the human race is they don't like that. So

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Speaker 2: these mixed reality goggles headsets you can actually see what's

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Speaker 2: around you. But then there's also the screen as part

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Speaker 4: I'm not gonna lie, I was gonna say, I'm pretty

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Speaker 4: impressed that they got the entire human race as they're they're.

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Speaker 2: Just saying humans in general didn't like the VR goggles.

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Speaker 2: So these mixed reality headsets, you can see and hear

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Speaker 2: and interact with digital content right in your physical space.

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Speaker 2: You can immerse yourself in movies and sporting events eventually,

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Speaker 2: so you can watch a Cardinals game and feel like

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Speaker 2: you're right on the sideline or maybe even right in

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Speaker 2: the huddle. Ultimately, eventually, that's what this technology is going

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Speaker 2: to be like. And what I thought was really cool

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Speaker 2: is like, for example, you could play back family movies

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's not going to play with any of his

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Speaker 2: It's it's a mind blow, Okay in this whole thing.

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Speaker 3: Oh, just too much technology for me personally. I feel

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Speaker 3: like we spend so much time. Right you're watching shut up,

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Speaker 3: We're watching a big screen and then you're holding a

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Speaker 4: Well, it's funny when Paul said you're immersed immersed in

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Speaker 2: And by the way, they say, you can use these

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Speaker 2: mixed reality headsets, Danny to turn your TV, your your

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Speaker 3: Just okay, that is pretty cool.

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Speaker 4: She changed her mind.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not going to buy one because aren't

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Speaker 2: They are now, they're about thirty five hundred dollars, And

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Speaker 2: I read an article where it said mass adoption would

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Speaker 3: So this isn't happening right now.

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Speaker 2: It'll be a gradual easing into this technology.

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Speaker 4: So maybe it's like when you see like how much

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Speaker 2: By the time Kyler Murray gets his next contract, will

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Speaker 4: I don't know if I like the mixed reality term,

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Speaker 3: Well, that thing is black and white, Darren.

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Speaker 2: It's good because my segue into Cardinals football was going

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Speaker 3: Well, I feel like Darren Chick. I had to pop

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Zavan was just tied. Somebody he'd asked Zavan what

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Speaker 4: something apparently he did often when Cliff Kingsbury was coaching

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Speaker 4: Jonathan Gannon made note that Collins had been eating in

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Speaker 4: a team meeting, which was a no no, which Zavian

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Speaker 2: Right, Because if you're multitasking, then guess what your attention

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Speaker 2: Your attention is divided, and then that becomes okay. Discipline

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Speaker 2: All too often, what did we hear? Every player took

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Speaker 2: so little things like this sort of create the vibe.

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Speaker 2: Are the back is the backbone of the culture in

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Speaker 4: You've definitely heard and Xavin did it again yesterday. But

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Speaker 4: a handful of players talking about the accountability now and

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Speaker 4: that's the implication, no doubt there was.

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Speaker 2: Will Hernandez was talking about how he likes the energy

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Speaker 2: Will Hernandez cited I'm looking forward exactly here. He said.

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Speaker 2: What's cool too is that the players are realizing that

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Speaker 2: although they're your friends, there's still your coach and you

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Speaker 2: don't cross any lines just because maybe they're a lot younger,

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Speaker 2: and so there is sort of that learning curve the

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Speaker 2: players getting used to a coaching staff that, let's face it,

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Speaker 2: doesn't have very many allegiances to very many players unless

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Speaker 2: you're one of those handful of franchise players, the Kyler Murray's,

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Speaker 2: the Buddha Bakers, you know, the DJ Humphreys. There aren't

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Speaker 2: if there hasn't been enough this offseason, I mean, Danny,

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Speaker 2: I think that's why a lot of these players seem

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Speaker 3: Right, That's just what happens when you've got a coaching change,

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Speaker 3: only knows you from whatever film they've watched. This is

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Speaker 2: You're a member of this year's draft class. That GM,

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Speaker 2: Moni Asenford, is that every OTA practice and he's watching

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Speaker 2: sort of incognito, you know, tall guy with a bucket

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Speaker 2: That is the GM, right? I mean a few times

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Speaker 4: Yeah, who that is. Although one of those practices he

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Speaker 2: He did he did. And but if you're a player, Darren,

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Speaker 4: I mean, Steve Kim was usually out at every practice too.

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Speaker 4: But everything being new, you don't know, and we've talked

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Speaker 4: don't know how this is going to play out. Zavion

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Speaker 4: Conins We're talking to about playing outside linebacker, and he said,

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Speaker 4: to be honest, I don't know exactly what they're going

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Speaker 4: to have me do yet. And I believe him, I don't.

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Speaker 4: I think at this point, I think he's got an

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Speaker 4: believe that he's not completely sure exactly how this is

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Speaker 4: going to turn out. And Jonathan Gannon even was talking

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Speaker 3: This is why tanking is not going to happen. Darren's

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Speaker 4: Here's the thing, And you mentioned, I mentioned I've talked

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Speaker 3: People already saying they don't want Kyler Murray to come

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Speaker 4: Just to tank, I mean again, to tank for what again?

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Speaker 2: But well, look to your podcast too, Danny, to the

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Speaker 2: I mean, let's talk about quarterback. Cole McCoy is going

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Speaker 3: No, I was thinking about the other quarterbacks, which would

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Speaker 2: Even Cold himself told the media it's a pretty level

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I was the one who asked him about, well,

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Speaker 2: But the kids have been asking for a dog, and

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Speaker 3: I love dogs.

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Speaker 4: I didn't say you couldn't get a dog. I told

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Speaker 3: Well, you know what that that was my dad's role

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Speaker 3: Great, you absolutely should ask him who the only one?

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Speaker 2: I've been saving at Costa KELVC. No dog, but my

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Speaker 2: That's really what we should launch around here, because if

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Speaker 3: Okay, all right, but yeah, the little McCoy kids aren't

436
00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:40,800
Speaker 3: getting a dog quite yet because Colt has decided to

437
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Speaker 3: continue playing.

438
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Speaker 2: So what else do we learn from Colt. Let's see,

439
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:48,080
Speaker 2: we learned that that what the Cardinals are running now

440
00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,719
Speaker 2: without getting into specifics, and he didn't within the media,

441
00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:53,520
Speaker 2: just that he said it's very similar to the way

442
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Speaker 2: that he's played most of his career, and he talked

443
00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:02,520
Speaker 2: about huddling up, using k I didn't mike points more

444
00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:08,240
Speaker 2: traditional offense as opposed to ten personnel spreading the field.

445
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:09,920
Speaker 3: And back signals last year.

446
00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 2: So you know that's so that you know, a little

447
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,080
Speaker 2: bit of a tell, not a shock, not a surprise.

448
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:20,399
Speaker 2: You can't get much more. I don't want to use

449
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 2: the word air raid, but in balance than then. I know.

450
00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:26,560
Speaker 2: Craig Grilho had a stat on the Red Sea report

451
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:28,679
Speaker 2: the Cardinals threw the ball sixty two percent of the

452
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,439
Speaker 2: time last year, thirty eight percent of the time they

453
00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:33,280
Speaker 2: ran it. So when James Connor met the media and

454
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Speaker 2: the question was what do you like the most about

455
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Speaker 2: this new offense, he said that we're going to run

456
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Speaker 2: the ball a lot. Quote end quote was James Connor.

457
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Speaker 2: So I'm fully expecting a much more balanced attack.

458
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Speaker 4: Depends on the status of the game. We shall see.

459
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Speaker 3: Darren's always here to bring you back down, Paul.

460
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:51,920
Speaker 2: And you're right. When you're a four win team and

461
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:53,399
Speaker 2: you're trailing a lot of games, you're going to be

462
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,359
Speaker 2: throwing the ball more. I'll give you that.

463
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Speaker 4: Or and you got to make sure if you're running it.

464
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Speaker 4: I get it, But are you going to be able

465
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 4: to run it? Is your what's your per carry average?

466
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:03,680
Speaker 4: How is that gonna generate?

467
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:05,359
Speaker 2: I'm glad you said that because I asked this question

468
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:06,919
Speaker 2: of James Connor for you at the end of his

469
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:10,359
Speaker 2: press conference, and it was based on the following week

470
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 2: fifteen last year against Tampa, Trace McSorley, is your starting quarterback?

471
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 2: Third stringer? Hang with me here, Danny, hang with me.

472
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,639
Speaker 3: I just completely forgot about that situation.

473
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,120
Speaker 2: So okay, remember there was a stretch last season where

474
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Speaker 2: the Cardinals had four different starting quarterbacks into four weeks.

475
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Speaker 3: Yes, thank you.

476
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:32,480
Speaker 2: The Trace McSorley game Christmas Night against Tampa. Oh yes,

477
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:38,480
Speaker 2: he throws it forty five times, whereas James Connor averaged

478
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 2: five point three yards of a carry but only got

479
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,600
Speaker 2: fifteen carries. That was a pretty tight.

480
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,359
Speaker 4: Game, very tight game. So that's fair.

481
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Speaker 2: Why were there three times as many pass attempts by

482
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:55,880
Speaker 2: Trace mcsorlely than rushing attempts by a Pro Bowl running back.

483
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 4: I'm going to say Cliff Kingsbury was calling more passes.

484
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 2: There was Week seventeen. I'm moving on. There's Week seventeen

485
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 2: at Atlanta. David Blau his first start since two thy nineteen.

486
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 2: He threw it forty times. James Connor averaged five yards

487
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 2: of carry yet only got wait for it, sixteen carries.

488
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:20,720
Speaker 2: I don't know much, but I know this much that

489
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:24,359
Speaker 2: ain't happening this year. There will be much more balance

490
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 2: and commitment to the run game. And I do like

491
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Speaker 2: the Eye of the Tiger. Not to go all nineteen eighties,

492
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Speaker 2: but I do like the eye of the Tiger and

493
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Speaker 2: James Connor. Again, it reminds me of twenty twenty one.

494
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Speaker 4: Oh I thought you were going to say it reminds

495
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Speaker 4: you of you and that.

496
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 2: Oh no, please, No, nobody needs any reference to the

497
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,119
Speaker 2: Gundersen game or against Pioneer High School. We don't need

498
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,199
Speaker 2: any of that. I mean, they're still talking about what

499
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,359
Speaker 2: I did Week one against Santa Teresa my junior year.

500
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 2: But look, I'm talking about James Connor twenty twenty one

501
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:55,359
Speaker 2: and what he was all about on that one year

502
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 2: contract James Connor, and he brought it, he fed it

503
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:03,919
Speaker 2: to dudes, he caught it, he finished it. He was

504
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 2: physical with the football. You know, I don't do much

505
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 2: with fantasy football anymore, but I would have James Connor

506
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 2: on the radar sort of like I sent out a

507
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,160
Speaker 2: quick clip of Michael Wilson. It's amazing all these fantasy

508
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,119
Speaker 2: football people who are all over receivers, any sort of

509
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,399
Speaker 2: budding receiver that they think they can get late in

510
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 2: the draft. Got crazy play from all these fantasy football

511
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 2: experts and outlets on Twitter. That's just an aside. But

512
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:34,120
Speaker 2: I mean, you guys, tell me when you when you

513
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 2: when you hear what Will Hernandez says about how the

514
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 2: running the power? Right, he was on with Wolf and

515
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 2: there's Wolf, you know, oh, you know the whole thing,

516
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 2: and he's going on guttural and Will Hernanaz's talking about

517
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 2: running the power. I just I guess I'm preparing myself

518
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 2: mentally for that sort of football this year.

519
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,200
Speaker 4: I am going to be fascinated to see, especially before

520
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 4: Kyler comes back, what that kind of looks like.

521
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Speaker 2: I mean, because what sort of choice do you have

522
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 2: if Colt McCoy is your quarterback, and Jonathan Gannon's motto

523
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:10,919
Speaker 2: at least one of them so far is adapt or die. Obviously,

524
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 2: the offense is going to reflect the skill set of

525
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 2: your quarterback.

526
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you would figure that where the defense is

527
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 4: going to be. If you can have a little bit

528
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,640
Speaker 4: of ball control offense, if you can pull that off,

529
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 4: it will probably be helpful.

530
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 2: No doubt, no doubt. So I'm looking at what else

531
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 2: Cole McCoy had to tell the media. You know, he

532
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 2: was talking about there are so far there have been

533
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 2: the fair share of mistakes because everything is new and

534
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,119
Speaker 2: it's not only just a scheme and the x's and o's,

535
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 2: but it's how they're going about it with the huddling

536
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 2: and some of the audibling and so you know, he said,

537
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 2: the mistakes are being made, they're correctable. But he said

538
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,439
Speaker 2: also players are getting used to the expectations of the

539
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 2: coaches and just how the team practices, which is different

540
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,160
Speaker 2: right based on what we've seen.

541
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Speaker 3: Colet was saying, they have basically green and red days

542
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:09,880
Speaker 3: of some days are slower, more of a walkthrough going

543
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 3: through everything, and then other days are are high tempo

544
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 3: and you really want to put that to the test,

545
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 3: then you're obviously going and you're watching a film in

546
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,399
Speaker 3: between and working through things. But I did think that

547
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 3: was interesting that it's not the same speed at which

548
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 3: they're practicing every single day. They're being very intentional about

549
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 3: how they are teaching and making sure the players are

550
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 3: absorbing what this coaching staff wants from them.

551
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 2: In fact, Greg Dorsch was very bullish on the new

552
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 2: approach on the Big Red Rage, saying exactly that, Danny,

553
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 2: that you know some of the high temple days versus

554
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 2: the lower tempo days, that the players really like that.

555
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 2: And so I'm not exactly sure how to define that.

556
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 2: I do know it's been a big hit in the

557
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 2: locker room based on the little bit of player feedback

558
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,360
Speaker 2: we've had. All Right, so nones and unknowns, we're presuming

559
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,160
Speaker 2: Cole McCoy is going to be your Week one starter

560
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 2: unless there's some sort of miraculous recovery by Kyler Murray,

561
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 2: and it could have. I've been looking at Breece Hall.

562
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 2: I saw Breece Hall, the Iowa stay running back last

563
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 2: year's rookie year Week seven, blew out his acl. He's

564
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 2: already back full speed for the Jets. They said they

565
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 2: clocked him at twenty two miles per hour and jets

566
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 2: OTA's the other day. I mean, he's looked phenomenal. So

567
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 2: you know, almost.

568
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 3: As fast as Darren every I've seen you play pick

569
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 3: a basketball, Darren.

570
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you did not see that.

571
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 2: I think Darren's acceleration is at its utmost when he's

572
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 2: getting from the practice field to his front row seat

573
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,640
Speaker 2: for the Prescotte. He can move now, he can move,

574
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 2: There's no doubt about that. So Cole McCoy, Okay, now

575
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 2: you're gonna take issue with us, I'm waiting for it,

576
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 2: but I'm already going to tell you I think four

577
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 2: of the five components in the offensive line are known.

578
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 2: You're starting? Are you?

579
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 3: Are you not just players but positions?

580
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 2: What Jonathan Gannon told the media that it's going to

581
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 2: go late into training camp the offensive line. That's gamesmanship.

582
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 2: I'm here to tell you.

583
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 3: You're to disagree with you.

584
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 4: But let's djew so I can tell him.

585
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 3: Here you go, what's today's date, June sixth?

586
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 2: D J Humpris left tackle, Paris Johnson Junior, right tackle,

587
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 2: Will Hernandez, right guard, yelled Afrole holds starting center, And

588
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 2: I got about five guys competing for left guard.

589
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 4: Wow, okay, so the last piece is not center now,

590
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 4: yelled Afro.

591
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 3: Hold interesting starting things if things were as they stand

592
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 3: right now. Surprisingly, I don't entirely disagree with you, Paul.

593
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 3: The one that I would still feel iffy on is

594
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 3: Will Hernandez is. I don't know if he's your left guard.

595
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't really know what you're doing at

596
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 3: the other guard position, if you're going to move Josh

597
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 3: Jones inside or do you want to keep him moving

598
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 3: as a swing tackle. Because here's the deal. If you're

599
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 3: going to keep Calvin Beacham but he's not going to

600
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 3: be your starting right tackle, are you going to keep

601
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 3: Beacham as your swing tackle? And if so, do you

602
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 3: want him and Josh Jones If this coaching staff agrees

603
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 3: with the previous regime, that Josh Jones might be your

604
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 3: future left tackle, which I I don't think it's the

605
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 3: case anymore after drafting Paris Johnson Junior. I think when

606
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 3: that point comes, Johnson will move over. What are you

607
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,239
Speaker 3: doing with Josh Jones Is he's sticking at tackler, You're

608
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 3: going to fit him inside at guard. That's kind of

609
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 3: where I am not really sure. Maybe they like Josh

610
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 3: Jones and they want him inside and he's your left guard,

611
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 3: but I would agree I think at this point, I

612
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 3: think from what we have at least seen in you know,

613
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 3: the practices, that it looks like Paris Johnson Juniors. They're

614
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 3: primarily practicing him on the right side.

615
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 4: Although to be fair, Kelvin Beacham just showed up to

616
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,479
Speaker 4: voluntary work this week. We saw one practice with him.

617
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 4: It was his first day back, so we don't even

618
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Speaker 4: know how much they'd be willing to let him do

619
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Speaker 4: at this point.

620
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Speaker 3: So right, But at the same time, DJ Humphries has

621
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Speaker 3: not been also true.

622
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Speaker 4: I mean, look, I would tend to think that Paul

623
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 4: might not be way off base here.

624
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 3: Hey Paul, that's up for a back.

625
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Speaker 2: End accoumpliment and and I could be dead wrong from

626
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 2: this aspect. How many years did a q Shipley have

627
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 2: competition at center? He was going to be supplanted by

628
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 2: the Mason Coles of the world, and then within a

629
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 2: week into training camp the coach said, nope, not even close.

630
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 2: A q Shipley's our starting center. Could that happen with

631
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 2: Kelvin Beecham? A right tackle? Could it's possible, it's plausible,

632
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 2: but Paris Johnson's the number six pick overall. He's the

633
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 2: first Ohio State offensive lineman to go that high, at

634
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 2: least to tackle since Orlando's stinking pace.

635
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 4: I mean, for me, we can talk all about what

636
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 4: might happen this season, but if there was ever a

637
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 4: year to throw some rookies into the deep end and

638
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 4: just yep, let them get the experience, this is the year, yep.

639
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 2: And it's been a trend. You saw what Seattle did

640
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 2: with two rookie tackles last year. You saw what the

641
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 2: Giants did with Evan Neil, the rookie right tackle last year,

642
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 2: pairing up with Andrew Thomas. So I mean, you know

643
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 2: it's been a trend.

644
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 3: What if someone like a John Games really shines at

645
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 3: your guard spot and where he feels comfortable, you move

646
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 3: Will Hernandez because Hernandez already has that experience both on

647
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 3: the left and right side.

648
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 2: Okay, that's that's a good point, Danny. So that means

649
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 2: I'm now up to seven candidates for left guard.

650
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 3: And have you have Lacida Smith still working at center.

651
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 2: That's a that's a hang Onsida Smith. Okay, So here

652
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 2: we go my candidates for left guard. It's an eight

653
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 2: man competition in a numerical order. Fifty four Lacita Smith

654
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 2: fifty nine, John's Gains sixty five. Elijah Wilkinson, a seven

655
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 2: year VET who has been getting some reps. I'm gonna

656
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 2: throw Kelvin Beacham in a left guard. He always says,

657
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, he's not like yelled to frohold

658
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 2: the Danish Army knife. But he just talks about how

659
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 2: he has ability to play left side and interio. So

660
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 2: I'll throw him in there. Dennis Daily, a five year VET.

661
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 2: He's been getting reps in what we've been able to see.

662
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 2: Le Chavius Simmons a two year VET. He's been getting

663
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 2: a lot of reps. Markis Hayes, who's a bit of

664
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 2: a phenom in camp last year, a Day three pick

665
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 2: last year who then got injured at the end of camp.

666
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 2: He was good for a fight every other day of

667
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 2: training camp last year. And then Josh Jones that's eight

668
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 2: so honestly, and Cole brought this up on his own

669
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 2: with the media that the offensive line has looked pretty

670
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 2: dang good for this point in the season, so I

671
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 2: think people might be sleeping on the old line a

672
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 2: little bit. I think the old line might be a

673
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 2: little underrated. How whereas the D line, I'm a little

674
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 2: more concerned than perhaps I was before OTA started. I'm

675
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 2: not sure they don't need to be fortified in the

676
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 2: D line round.

677
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 4: I'm not going to disagree there. But but and I'll

678
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 4: due respect to colet, like, how do you know the

679
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 4: offensive line is good right now? You can't block.

680
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 3: You don't have your whole offensive line either.

681
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 2: I get it.

682
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 4: I mean, like literally, you're not allowed to play for it.

683
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 3: But you know, Paul, I do like that idea of

684
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 3: possibly having Calvin Beachum play guard at one of those spots. Again,

685
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 3: I think this obviously, you don't base everything around this.

686
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 3: I think a big question mark is what does this

687
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 3: coaching staff see out of Josh Jones. I think that's

688
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 3: a real wildcard of what do you see from him

689
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 3: now and where he fits in and as he's entering

690
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 3: his fourth year, where do you see him fitting in

691
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 3: the future. Is this someone that you're going to want

692
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 3: to have around maybe no longer as that left tackle,

693
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 3: but do you see him as your future right tackle? Right?

694
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 2: Like?

695
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 3: Are you going to want to keep him and have

696
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 3: him swing and you want to keep developing him this

697
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 3: year or is that not what you see him? I

698
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 3: think that's a pretty big wildcard when you're trying to

699
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 3: think about strengthening this offensive line for the long haul

700
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 3: of where does he fit in and what do you

701
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:41,359
Speaker 3: need him to be working on this year?

702
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,760
Speaker 2: Because if you're asking me, how did the Cardinals defy

703
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 2: expectations and over deliver this coming season, I would say

704
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 2: the quickest path the more wins than the experts are

705
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 2: expecting would be if you had a stout offensive line.

706
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 2: If you had a stout offensive line, all of a sudden,

707
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 2: your weapons look that much better. You know, you can

708
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:04,879
Speaker 2: have all the talent you want. It's skill and running back.

709
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 2: You know, a receiver and running back if you don't

710
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 2: have the offensive line. Look at the Rams last year.

711
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 2: The offensive line imploded between injury and the loss of

712
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 2: Andrew Whitworth, a franchise left tackle. They couldn't do anything

713
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 2: in a five win season. And that's why I'm not

714
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 2: a believer in the Rams this year. I don't think

715
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 2: they fixed the offensive line. So you can give me

716
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 2: the Cooper Cup and all the other stuff all you want,

717
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 2: but if Matthew Stafford isn't protected sufficiently and they can't

718
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 2: run the ball. They don't have a stout offensive line,

719
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,439
Speaker 2: So that's uh. Then again, you know, if you can't

720
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 2: stop the run, that can get real demoralizing and can

721
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 2: be a real liability real quick. So I am curious

722
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 2: to see. Which is another reason why I talked about

723
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 2: this with Kyle Vannabosch and Craig Grielo on the Red

724
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 2: Sea Report is that, you know, for those who are

725
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 2: expecting Jonathan Gannon to use a four to three and

726
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 2: he talked about this a little bit on the Pash Pod,

727
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 2: Well that that was Philadelphia, that was Adapter Die. That's

728
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 2: we have Fletcher Cox and Javon Hargrave and Brandon Grant

729
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 2: and you're you're loaded and Philly, that's not the on

730
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 2: the defensive lines. That's not the case with this Cardinals team.

731
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 2: So why go for three?

732
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 3: Who are the four?

733
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 2: As Kyle Vanenbosch.

734
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 3: Said, I think that's a great point. I don't think

735
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,399
Speaker 3: it means that that's not the goal and maybe that's

736
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 3: not what is the you know, the main focus next offseason.

737
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 3: I would think the reason maybe it doesn't seem like

738
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 3: they will play for three as much as a lot

739
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 3: of us had expected from Gannon and Rollis's coaching experience.

740
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 3: Some of the free agents they brought in really at

741
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:37,720
Speaker 3: that linebacker spot mostly. I think it is that adaptability

742
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 3: and adapting to the strengths and weaknesses of this defense.

743
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 3: And if you look your safety position Isaiah Simmons, Jalen Thompson,

744
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 3: Buddha Baker, that's a lot stronger than what you have

745
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 3: on the defensive line. I think you like the linebackers

746
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 3: you've brought in, Josh Woods, kise you're white wherever you're

747
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,399
Speaker 3: going to move around, Zaven Collins. I think they're other

748
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 3: parts of this defense that are stronger, which is probably

749
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 3: why we won't see as much four to three as

750
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 3: we were expecting, because that defensive line is not the

751
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 3: strength of this defense.

752
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 2: If you gave me one position group that still there

753
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 2: might be a veteran signed or two before training camp,

754
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:19,399
Speaker 2: I would say that, and I would say tight end.

755
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 2: You know, there's been more mention of running eleven and twelve.

756
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 2: I think it was Cold actually said it, and there

757
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 2: been other players after the OTA so have talked about

758
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 2: the multiple tight end sets. I just I mean looking

759
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 2: at this Craig Grieolou position group breakdown here that I

760
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 2: printed off. I appreciate this. So zach Ertz, have we

761
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 2: heard anything on Zach By the way, we haven't heard anything.

762
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 3: I'd asked Jonathan Gannon maybe a week or two ago,

763
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 3: and there was no real expect he's doing Maybe, I

764
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 3: guess by training camp, you would think, just on the

765
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 3: timing of the injury. It was October last year.

766
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,399
Speaker 4: I know Zach said earlier in the offseason his plan

767
00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 4: was to be ready for Week one. We'll see what

768
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 4: happened they did. They do have a couple of undrafted

769
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,800
Speaker 4: guys at the position that they have that could be intriguing.

770
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 2: Yeah. After Trey McBride, you have Chris Pierce, Bernard Psychowitz,

771
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 2: the international player, Noah Tangi I free agent who come

772
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 2: came over from Philly, I believe, and then the two

773
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 2: undrafted rookies Joel Hunterford and Blake Whiteheart.

774
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 4: Yeah.

775
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 2: So there's some unproven names right there. Let's just put

776
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 2: it that way. Once you get past Zach Ertz and

777
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 2: Trey McBride, there's a lot of unknowns.

778
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 3: I think Trey McBride is still completely unproven.

779
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 2: So between that and then they fortified the cornerback room

780
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 2: a little bit this week with a couple of free

781
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 2: agent signings, a couple of guys with size six' one

782
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 2: and sixty three respectively. We'll see a lot of teams

783
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 2: wait until that first week camp to get and eye,

784
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:48,839
Speaker 2: you know, don't get them in full pads, and then

785
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 2: sort of make a determination from there. We'll see about that.

786
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,320
Speaker 2: But yeah, I would say between tight end and d

787
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 2: line that would be an area. Now to come full

788
00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:00,959
Speaker 2: circle on the Zaven Collins, Yeah, it's interesting to hear

789
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 2: him talk and we were talking about this just the

790
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 2: position itself with Kyle Vannibosch, former edge rusher, three time

791
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 2: Pro bowler. Right beyond the coordinators Nick Rowlis, Drew Petsing,

792
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 2: and then special teams coordinator Jeff Rogers. If you gave

793
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 2: me a potential VIP MVP of assistant coaches this season,

794
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 2: I think it's tracking to be Rob Rodriguez, the outside

795
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 2: linebackers coach. Look at the collection of talent, he ass

796
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 2: just how different each one of these players is from

797
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 2: a Zavan Collins at six four, two sixty making the

798
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 2: transition from inside linebacker to a Dennis Gardak six foot

799
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 2: Tasmanian devil, right, And I like the Gardak explanation of

800
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:44,479
Speaker 2: how he's tried to evolve this offseason as a pass rusher, saying,

801
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,879
Speaker 2: you know, in the past, he would just come off

802
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 2: the ball and bring all the athleticism and fury he

803
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 2: could and then sort of go from there, right. I

804
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 2: mean now he said, no, No, I'm coming with a

805
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 2: game plan. I have moves in mind, I have counter

806
00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 2: moves in mind, you know, and then if I have

807
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 2: to to go into crazy athletic mode, then I still

808
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 2: have that ability. Am I. J. Sanders who the cop

809
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 2: last year with the coaching staff that I talked to,

810
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 2: they always likened him to a Leonard Floyd in terms

811
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 2: of body type, which I thought was interesting. You know,

812
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 2: bj Ojalai, who is a rookie. So Rob Rodriguez, you

813
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 2: always have you know your your money, you know your

814
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,839
Speaker 2: work cut out for you. If a rookie's coming in

815
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 2: and expectation, especially high second rounder a Cameron Thomas, who

816
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 2: arguably is more of a five technique than he is

817
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 2: an edge guy or outside linebacker. I just think that we've.

818
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 4: Been saying that for two years though, and he's still

819
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 4: worreri it I get it.

820
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 2: I'm just saying it's a unique collection of talent.

821
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 4: True.

822
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 2: And then when you combine that with the fact everybody

823
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 2: now that eighteen of your thirty six sacks a year

824
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 2: ago walked out the door in the form of JJ

825
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 2: Watt and Zach Allen. Guess what, that's a really important

826
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 2: position room on this team right now. Quarterback and get

827
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 2: to the quarterback. Those are the primary objectives in the NFL.

828
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 2: So I just I think all eyes are on Rob

829
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 2: Rodriguez and what he is able to do. And we

830
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 2: saw him working a little bit extra with the Xavon.

831
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 3: Collins, just say, a lot of one on one work

832
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 3: with Zamon Collins, and that's kind of what we've seen

833
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 3: throughout Ota is not just with Collins, but with a

834
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 3: lot of other different positions. And we don't really have

835
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:25,359
Speaker 3: an exact reason behind that. I think we can all

836
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:29,800
Speaker 3: conclude from context close it seems like each respective position group,

837
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 3: it is the leader of that position group that seems

838
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 3: to be getting, maybe during special teams or things like that,

839
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 3: a lot of that extra one on one attention from

840
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 3: their coach of really making sure they are understanding their

841
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:46,320
Speaker 3: role and the roles of those around them.

842
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 2: We'll see Xavon Collins when it gets to the O line,

843
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 2: D line full pads first week it can. What do

844
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 2: you think Xavion Collins against Paris Johnson Junior? You know,

845
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 2: there's always some of those heavyweight matchups that you anticipate.

846
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 4: We'll be there for to take some iPhone video on that.

847
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 4: I would think.

848
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 2: By the way, who was there at the d Backs game?

849
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 2: Did any one of us attend with the rookies? Did

850
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 2: you go?

851
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 3: I was there?

852
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 2: Yes? Yes, Oh that's right, I saw your selfie, Yes,

853
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 2: with the players in the background. That's right. Okay, So

854
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,800
Speaker 2: do tell how was now we only saw the side

855
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 2: angle shot of Paris Johnson throwing out the first pitch.

856
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 2: Did he bounce it? Was it a bounce pass to

857
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 2: the plate? No?

858
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 4: I think the catcher had to like leave his feet

859
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 4: just a little bit, but he didn't bounce it. And

860
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 4: that was a big thing for somebody who had never

861
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 4: played baseball since T ball and hadn't practiced until like

862
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 4: thirty minutes before they got on the bus to go

863
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 4: over to the stadium. So he was feeling pretty confident

864
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 4: that it worked out just fine. But it was it

865
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Speaker 4: is good, I mean, I felt like the team, I mean,

866
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Speaker 4: Paris Johnson was going to get a jersey. Anyways, he

867
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 4: was throwing out the first pitch, but the team made

868
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 4: sure that every single one of the rookies got a

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00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:53,760
Speaker 4: personalized Diamondbacks jersey.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's well done by the d Backs.

871
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 4: Well, I know the Cardinals. Well, the Cardinals happened. Oh again,

872
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 4: all due respect to the d Backs. They weren't bring

873
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 4: out twenty jerseys, but the time Cardinals made sure that

874
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 4: everybody else got one, including parent. Well, Paris was going

875
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 4: to get on.

876
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 2: That's true because it's a huge group, because even the

877
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 2: undrafted rookies were there.

878
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, it was about twenty guys and uh so

879
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 4: I thought that was a great start. The looks on

880
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:18,320
Speaker 4: their faces when they all got a jersey was a

881
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:22,399
Speaker 4: pretty nice deal. And then watching Paris get out there,

882
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 4: Kee Trell Clark was trying hard to become apparently a

883
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 4: contact a content in turn, he's.

884
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:33,720
Speaker 3: Taking photos photographer camera and he was taking some pictures himself.

885
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 4: And he grabbed the video camera at one point was

886
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:39,320
Speaker 4: doing a bunch of that stuff. So the thing about

887
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 4: it was and one of the it's the most I've

888
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 4: been able to spend time with the rookies and talk

889
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 4: to I talked to a handful of them for stories,

890
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 4: a couple of them for stories coming up. But I

891
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:52,359
Speaker 4: know that every year you try and say, okay, we're

892
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 4: we're looking for good people as well as good players,

893
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:58,280
Speaker 4: blah blah blah. This group is a very intelligent group.

894
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 4: They're all well spoken, they have their heads in the

895
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 4: right places. It doesn't matter if they're the undrafted guys

896
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 4: or some of these drafted guys, and I've just been

897
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 4: very impressed with this group on a personal level. Now

898
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 4: we'll find out if they can play, because obviously that

899
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 4: still is the most important thing. But they're the right

900
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 4: guys you want in the locker room and leading this

901
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 4: team going forward. It was funny, Paris had said to

902
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 4: me when we first got here, we're all staying in

903
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 4: the same hotel, but it was basically twenty guys in

904
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 4: the same hotel. But we're all on our own. And

905
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 4: now we're to the point where we're all really bonding

906
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,399
Speaker 4: together as not only is a big group, but there's

907
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 4: a handful of smaller groups that have emerged in Paris

908
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 4: that he's already got three or four guys and it

909
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 4: could end up being more, but he's already got three

910
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 4: or four guys that he sees being lifelong friends at

911
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 4: this point.

912
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 3: I know he'd said he was when I did the

913
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 3: game on episode with him that John Gains. The two

914
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 3: of them have become really close. And what's cool is

915
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 3: there's going to be a lot of opportunities to see

916
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:58,399
Speaker 3: the video behind the scenes of the Diamondbacks game where

917
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 3: the rookies were there, and a whole bunch of other

918
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 3: stuff from the rookies of Rookie Minniicamp, how they've been

919
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 3: doing in OTAs Paris, Johnson's arrival to Arizona, that's all

920
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 3: going to be shown in detail, and the latest episode

921
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:14,919
Speaker 3: of Flight Plan which drops Thursday, which will be June

922
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 3: eighth at seven pm Arizona time, on official YouTube channel, website, Twitter,

923
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 3: all those good places, So be sure to check out

924
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 3: the latest episode of Flight Plan for behind the scenes

925
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 3: on what the rookies have been up to the last

926
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:28,280
Speaker 3: couple of weeks.

927
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 2: In addition to all that, there's gonna be more of

928
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:31,359
Speaker 2: the war room footage, right.

929
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:35,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, get to know, I think Michael Wilson a little

930
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 3: more some one on one interactions there. There's gonna be

931
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:38,800
Speaker 3: a lot of good stuff in this episode.

932
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 4: Well, speaking of Michael Wilson, that's that's another that's a

933
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 4: story I'm working on too, And I had a chance

934
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 4: he trained with TG Hushman Zada, the former Bengals receiver

935
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 4: who is a fantastic interview and so that story is

936
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:50,919
Speaker 4: also coming out later for me too.

937
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 2: Both Stanford guys, right, who's at Hushman Zada? Didn't Oregon State?

938
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 2: Yeah that's right, new respectral. So okay, that's in. And

939
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 2: then you have a Jonathan Gannon that's already posted, mega

940
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 2: story that's out three thousand words?

941
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,720
Speaker 3: Baby, how long is it going to take me to read?

942
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:12,439
Speaker 4: See? I she just that's like a softball. I could

943
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 4: turn on that right now, but I'm not going to.

944
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,280
Speaker 4: But yeah, I've been working working on a big Jonathan

945
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,919
Speaker 4: Gannon's story, uh kind of like who he is type

946
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 4: of thing that's posted on the website right now, So

947
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 4: hopefully everybody checks that out.

948
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 2: How amenable was he to you know, sort of a

949
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 2: really a deep dive.

950
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 4: I think he was really. I mean I had a

951
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 4: fantastic conversation with him. I talked to a number of

952
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 4: other people, uh too. But look, I loved Cliff and

953
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,280
Speaker 4: I did a similar story about Cliff and Cliff. Cliff

954
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 4: did not want to talk about some stuff. And when

955
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 4: I went back to him when I found out some

956
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 4: stories from other people, went back and he wasn't mad,

957
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 4: but he was just kind of like surprised I'd found

958
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 4: some stuff out. And I don't know if he'd loved that.

959
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 4: I brought up a couple of things that I don't

960
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 4: know if Jonathan JG thought I was going to get

961
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:03,800
Speaker 4: and I brought him up to him and he just

962
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 4: kind of smiled and the he go with it, So

963
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 4: it was it's a good story. I think you get

964
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 4: to know a little bit more about who he is

965
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 4: and the kind of person he is. And you know,

966
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 4: again that doesn't necessarily mean they're gonna win a bunch

967
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 4: of games as him as coach, but it gives you

968
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Speaker 4: an idea of who the coach is.

969
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,399
Speaker 2: Well, there you go. That's uh. Those are two things

970
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 2: I have to do this week, The Day Pasch podcast,

971
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,720
Speaker 2: where you can hear Jonathan Gannon and then Darren Urban's

972
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 2: feature story Asycardinals dot Com, where you can read all

973
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 2: about the head coach because there's no doubt his.

974
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:36,360
Speaker 4: Stay watch flight plan two, Paul.

975
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 2: Yes, oh absolutely absolutely, so there you go that once again,

976
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 2: we've come full circle, mixed reality, multi media, all this

977
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 2: different content for the best, Paul, you've only had one

978
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 2: of these new you know, mixed reality headsets. I could

979
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 2: consume it all at once, all three. I could have

980
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,359
Speaker 2: the visuals, I could have the audio, and I could

981
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 2: have the print.

982
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 3: I feel like if we talked to our boss, Timdalaney,

983
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 3: he would for sure let us expense one.

984
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 2: Sure.

985
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 3: I feel like we should ask for forgiveness and not permission.

986
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:07,800
Speaker 2: I think, dang, what you should do is expense it

987
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 2: first and ask permission second. That's what I think you

988
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 2: should do.

989
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, I'm convinced.

990
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 2: All right, let us know next time at Cardinals Underground

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00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:16,719
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992
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:21,120
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993
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