1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome everybody, Friday, Clay Travis and Buck 3 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: section Show starts right now. President Donald Trump indicted federally 4 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: in Miami, Southern Florida. It has happened. You all know 5 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:23,440 Speaker 1: what has happened. We're going to talk about it today. 6 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 1: We're going to I was going to say, make sense 7 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: of it. But in so many ways, it is senseless, 8 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: it's destructive, it's enraging, it's concerning. But we will go 9 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: through all of this together today. We had been telling 10 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:44,200 Speaker 1: you for weeks a federal indictment was coming, and now 11 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:49,520 Speaker 1: it has happened. Get another unprecedented moment for our republic. 12 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: Yet another rubicon crossed by the ruthless, hyperpartisan Democrats, by 13 00:00:55,360 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: Joe Biden and his fully weaponized Department of Justice. Clear 14 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: election interference underway. Once again. It seems like there can't 15 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: just be an election where the American people get to choose. 16 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: There have to be some extra things thrown into the mix. 17 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: A rigged system in one way or another has to be. 18 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:20,919 Speaker 1: That's the way the Democrats approach it. Look, we're gonna 19 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: make sense of this to get to the degree we 20 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: can together today, we'll have our friend Andy McCarthy joining 21 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:31,839 Speaker 1: us later on the second hour. Clay is on vacation, 22 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 1: as you all recall, but we had a backup plan 23 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 1: in place because we both had a feeling that while 24 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: he was supposed to be doing you know, water aerobics 25 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 1: or getting a BackRub or whatever on vacation, he was 26 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 1: going to get the call. And it happened last night. 27 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: I had to call him and say they've indicted him. 28 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: So Clay will join us in the second hour as well. 29 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: And then also Julie Kelly, who you know we've been 30 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: having on to talk about January as well as the 31 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 1: special counsel and the possible now the federal indictment that 32 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:09,359 Speaker 1: has happened, we'll focus with her on what she says 33 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: is coming next. This is not only is it just 34 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:17,119 Speaker 1: the beginning of this prosecution. It is likely there will 35 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:22,239 Speaker 1: be further prosecutions of Donald Trump by the Biden DOJ. 36 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: And here's just here's what we know at this at 37 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: this moment, we'll update this and we'll continue to bring 38 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 1: you anything that breaks throughout the show. What Trump is 39 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: facing right now based on the reporting the indictment has 40 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: not been made officially public yet, but the reporting is 41 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 1: willful retention of national defense information in violation of the 42 00:02:53,800 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: espionageac conspiracy to obstruct justice with whole a document or record, 43 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: corruptly concealing a document or record, concealing a document in 44 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:16,519 Speaker 1: a federal investigation, scheme, to conceal false statements and representations. Now, 45 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: any of you with any familiarity with federal law knows 46 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 1: that the maximum for even the most minor federal transgression 47 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 1: is jaw droppingly log So Trump faces if he were 48 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: to get the maximum on all of these decades and 49 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: decades in prison. Some of these have a statutory maximum 50 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: of twenty years. Now, almost no one gets that because 51 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 1: they will. The federal court system, you take plea deals. 52 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: Ninety seven ninety eight percent of federal criminal cases result 53 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 1: in a plea deal of some kind. Trump's obviously not 54 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: taking a plea deal, So He's going to see this through. 55 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: And I think a lot of us have woken up today, 56 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: even with the expectation that this would happen, feeling a 57 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: shock because it's real. Now, it's real. They have been 58 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: building up to this moment for seven years, seven years 59 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: of relentless and remorseless law, fair lies, scheming all to 60 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 1: stop Donald Trump from being president because oh my gosh, 61 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: I mean the three years we had before COVID, an 62 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 1: economy that was roaring, no wars. I mean, democrats, I 63 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 1: can understand. I guess why they wouldn't want to go 64 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: back to that. It was so horrible. They created an 65 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:48,919 Speaker 1: alternate reality of what a Donald Trump presidency really meant 66 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: for the country. It is as though they were living 67 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 1: in an alternate universe for the first Trump term, and 68 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: so they feel fully justified now and trying to stop 69 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 1: the country from so from another period of economic growth, 70 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: not just a little growth, economic miracle, it felt like 71 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 1: peace and overall progress as a nation. So there's so 72 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 1: much that right now we have to process and think 73 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: through and understand. I right at the top of the list, 74 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: have to say the fact that you had Hillary Clinton 75 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: with her classified server situation where she willfully and knowing 76 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:37,799 Speaker 1: fully was trafficking in classified information over an open server 77 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:43,599 Speaker 1: just over the Internet, huge violation of the ESPIONAGEAC, violation 78 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:47,720 Speaker 1: of mishandling classified information, and then use bleach bit and 79 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: hammers and tried to destroy things even after subpoenas were 80 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:55,719 Speaker 1: sent and then the FBI director, James Comey, he's not 81 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: even the attorney general. Oh but that's right. The attorney 82 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: general was Laurette Lynch, and she had a little sit down, 83 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: just a happenstance sit down with Bill Clinton on a 84 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: tarmac because they're private jets. Just you know, they were 85 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: like ships passing in the night. But they saw each other, 86 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: and so they sat down and they talked about it. 87 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 1: They realized they couldn't have Obama's attorney general just wave 88 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 1: a magic wand and make the whole thing go away. 89 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:31,919 Speaker 1: So Komy sank to Comy comes forward and he says 90 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: that no prosecutor would bring charges, and then lots of 91 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:38,840 Speaker 1: federal prosecutors said, actually, I would have brought charges. They 92 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:41,719 Speaker 1: made it go away. Now, I know you know that history, 93 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 1: but there's another part of it that we have to 94 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: remember right now. Donald Trump and his Department of Justice 95 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 1: chose to leave it alone. Not because there wasn't a 96 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: crime committed. There was, we all know there was, and 97 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: not because Hillary Clinton and deserved to skate totally free. 98 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: But Trump knew and his administration knew that focusing on 99 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: the future and doing the best they could for the 100 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: country was a more honorable and more mature response, although 101 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: I'm sure some of you right now are probably saying 102 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: maybe not, Maybe it was a mistake, Maybe taking the 103 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: high road wasn't the best decision under the circumstances. And 104 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: now we have a Biden administration that is soaked through 105 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: from the very top with corruption. We have a president 106 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 1: in Joe Biden who can't even begin to explain why 107 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: his family members while he's in office are getting millions 108 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: of dollars from enemies like the Chinese Communist Party. And 109 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 1: we sit here and we say, well, maybe one day 110 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: there'll be justice, Maybe one day something will happen. The 111 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: other side, they just go for the jugular right away. 112 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 1: Every time, they just keep pushing. They are relentless. They 113 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 1: do not stop so of all. And then there we 114 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: could even go back to Bill Clinton did not have 115 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:22,119 Speaker 1: sexual relations with that woman, right, Remember, Yeah, lied under oath, 116 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: lied under oath, And what were we told? Oh, let's 117 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: move on from that. It was personal as private. Well, 118 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 1: it's a felony. He committed a felony as clear as 119 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:37,199 Speaker 1: anything could be. We let it go, push administration, let 120 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 1: it go. Now, this is the first time in history 121 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: a president of the United States has faced a felony 122 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: indictment like this, and he's running for president. I mean, 123 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 1: this would be her shattering if Donald Trump just planned 124 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: to play golf and hang out for the next twenty years. 125 00:08:56,240 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: But he is the Republican front runner as we speak 126 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 1: right now, and there's a joke of a case that 127 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: has been leveled against him in New York City. I mean, 128 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: it's not funny, but it's you know, it's appallingly flimsy 129 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 1: and absurd. In this case, they're telling you that there's 130 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: a recording, so we'll have to see. They claim that 131 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: there's audio recording. And this is what the whole thing 132 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: is going to hinge on, I think, because otherwise the 133 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 1: chance of them getting a conviction based off of documents 134 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 1: and lawyers and well, let's think about this for a second. 135 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: What exactly is the crime here? What was done? Who 136 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 1: was hurt? Where is the damage from what they're alleging 137 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: Donald Trump did. He had boxes of documents, maybe he 138 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: declassified them, maybe he didn't, but he had the right 139 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 1: to declassify anything he wanted. And then there were lawyers 140 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: and they're going back and forth about the documents, and 141 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 1: he ought they were all gone. He told them they were, 142 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:05,719 Speaker 1: but maybe they were. I mean, this is crazy. I 143 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 1: assure you you know I would not be sitting here 144 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 1: talking about this if a former president had gotten, you know, 145 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: drunk in a car and and you know, run over 146 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 1: to people and kill them. Yeah, you know, you do. 147 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 1: People are not above the law. But this prosecution is 148 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: rooted in process crimes that have been the maniacal focus 149 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: of Democrats for years. This is like the old secret 150 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: police chief Laverne Barrier in the Soviet Union. This has 151 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: showing me the man, I'll show you the crime. They 152 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:44,679 Speaker 1: keep going and going and going. If the IRS went 153 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 1: after any one of you, they'd be able to find 154 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 1: some way to say that you violated you violated federal 155 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 1: tax law. 156 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 2: You know that. 157 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:54,679 Speaker 1: I know that. That's why everyone hates the IRS so much, 158 00:10:55,480 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: because it's scummy, because there's no real fair way to 159 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 1: assess the myriad of all these different statutes and laws 160 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 1: and everything else. Yeah, there are people who just refuse 161 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: to pay their taxes, and that's a problem under the law. 162 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 1: But if they just decide that they're going to get 163 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 1: down into the minutia and find something, they'll find something, 164 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: and then they can pretend that it's a bigger deal 165 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 1: than it is. The law is the law. That's what 166 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 1: they'll say. And they'll say that to you after Bill Clinton, 167 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:29,719 Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton, the bidens, and we're supposed to take them seriously. 168 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: I mean, none of us do. But here's the reality 169 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 1: I think of what we face. So everything that you're 170 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: gonna hear, a lot of us were expressing the same sentiments. 171 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: This is unprecedented. This is disastrous for the rule of law, 172 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 1: This is disastrous for our politics. This is disgraceful from 173 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 1: the Biden regime. Biden is the most appalling president of 174 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 1: my lifetime because his whole his whole premise was a lie. 175 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 1: Every thing this guy pretended to stand for uniting the 176 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: country and bringing things back to normal and bringing things 177 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 1: back to normal. Who notice, they don't even say that anymore. 178 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: It's too absurd, it's too much of a blatant lie. 179 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: But now we have simultaneous contests for the future of 180 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 1: this republic underway. On the one hand, you see the 181 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 1: legal fight that begins. Now, what are our courts going 182 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 1: to do? It is reported that a Trump appointed judge 183 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 1: is going to handle the initial federal court appearance that 184 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:41,199 Speaker 1: judge is going to make a big difference in how 185 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 1: this is handled. But there's also the likelihood that there 186 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 1: will be additional federal charges. Like I said, we'll talk 187 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 1: to Julie Kelly later on about that is likely that 188 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 1: there will be something related to January sixth, because why not, 189 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:59,559 Speaker 1: as far as they're concerned, just throw everything you have 190 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 1: at this guy, and legally there will be even if 191 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 1: he's able to beat these charges. The cost in time, 192 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 1: the cost in reputation, the process is the punishment, which 193 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:15,679 Speaker 1: also then brings us to the political side of this. 194 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 1: How can anyone think we're having a free and fair 195 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:26,559 Speaker 1: election in America when the leading contender for the Republican 196 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:31,479 Speaker 1: Party is under a federal criminal indictment from his political 197 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:36,560 Speaker 1: rivals DOJ Joe Biden, Merrick Garland as the hatchetman here? 198 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:40,439 Speaker 1: How can anyone? I could I make the case to 199 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 1: you that this election is fair right now? 200 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:42,439 Speaker 3: No? 201 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 1: I can't. How could I do that? 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We have such big problems and 250 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 3: this shouldn't be one of them. 251 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 1: It's a hoax. The whole thing is a hoax. 252 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 3: Just like Russia, Russia, Russia, just like the fake Dussian. 253 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 4: Was a hoax. 254 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 3: You saw the Durham report, you saw the Smaller report. 255 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 3: It was all a big hoax. You had two impeachments, 256 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 3: and they lost and we won. So I just want 257 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 3: to tell you I'm an innocent man. I did nothing wrong. 258 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 1: Donald Trump, responding here to the he is steadfastly maintaining 259 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 1: his total innocence and decrying the political, partisan hackery behind 260 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: so much of this. You know, how many times can 261 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 1: any person be expected to have to run the gauntlet 262 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 1: of a federal investigation, a criminal investigation, a special Council 263 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: investigation before it's clear that it's just a campaign of harassment. 264 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: Find me a person in any role of responsibility or power, 265 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 1: and I'll show you somebody who if the Feds decided 266 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: they were just going to constantly look for anything and everything, 267 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 1: they would come up with a way. And you know, 268 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:46,879 Speaker 1: I think that this is uh, this is a real 269 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:48,920 Speaker 1: gut check moment for the country. 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We've got Any 303 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:23,959 Speaker 1: McCarthy joining us as well, and then third hour Julie Kelly. 304 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:28,199 Speaker 1: So a lot of insight and legal expertise going to 305 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: be coming uh your way here later on during the program. 306 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 1: I have to say Ron DeSantis well, a number of 307 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 1: candidates have come out, Rond de Santis among them, with statements. 308 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:45,120 Speaker 1: Vivek Ramaswami has said he would pardon Trump, no question 309 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:49,160 Speaker 1: about it. Here we have Ron de Santis putting this 310 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 1: out on Twitter. The weaponization of federal law enforcement represents 311 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:57,159 Speaker 1: a mortal threat to a free society. We have for 312 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 1: years witnessed an uneven application of the law depending on 313 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 1: political affiliation. Why so zealous in pursuing Trump, yet so 314 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 1: passive about Hillary or Hunter? The DeSantis administration will bring 315 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:15,400 Speaker 1: accountability to the DOJ, excise political bias, and end weaponization 316 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:20,160 Speaker 1: once and for all. VI Veck Ramaswami put out a statement, 317 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:23,159 Speaker 1: and I'm going to read that to you in just 318 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:28,360 Speaker 1: one second. Here he's saying that he would all see. Yes, 319 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:30,879 Speaker 1: here we go. He promises to pardon Trump if elected. 320 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 1: As I said, it would be easier for me to 321 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 1: win this election if Donald Trump where in the race, 322 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 1: he wrote, But I stand for principles over politics. I 323 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: commit to pardon Trump promptly on January twenty, twenty twenty five, 324 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 1: and to restore the rule of law in our country. 325 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 1: I have not seen. Here we go, Pence, Here we go. 326 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:58,880 Speaker 1: Pence on the Trump indictment. I'm deeply troubled, but no 327 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 1: one above the law. Interesting yesterday on the road in Iowa, 328 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: I said I'd hope the DJ would see its way 329 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 1: clearer not to moving forward here. But let me be clear, 330 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:17,159 Speaker 1: no one is above the law. And let me say, Oh, 331 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 1: and Asa Hutchinson, in case any of you are sitting 332 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,159 Speaker 1: on the edge of your seats, what is ASA saying 333 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: about this? We need to hear from Asa. He says 334 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: Trump should drop out of the race. So precisely, zero 335 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:32,719 Speaker 1: people care. But I just thought that's interesting. Guys technically 336 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:36,119 Speaker 1: running for president. Hey, he's running. So I'm telling you 337 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 1: what he's saying. He's saying Trump should drop out. I 338 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: don't think that's going to happen. Obviously, that would be 339 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 1: what the left wants. Uh, let's take some calls here. 340 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 1: Mike in Colebrook, Connecticut. Mike, how are you feeling great? 341 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:54,119 Speaker 6: Show guys, Ah, you got my blood pressure up today 342 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 6: big time. You know, when Trump was president, they wanted 343 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 6: Pelosi and Schumer every time they turned around, all your 344 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:05,200 Speaker 6: weaponit and the DOJ with Barr Barr did nothing compare 345 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 6: to this guy who's always got two feet over the line. 346 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 6: This guy needs to be in teach and I will 347 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 6: not give another dime to the Republican Party until they 348 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 6: get a backbone and start defending our own party like 349 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 6: the Democrats do. And I hope people are listening to 350 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 6: this and say the same thing. 351 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 1: This is ext for calling in Mike. I think a 352 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 1: lot of people feel like there has to be a 353 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 1: Republican response and it can't just be well, we hope 354 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 1: we can all find a way to get along in 355 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 1: the future. No, this is a line that is crossed 356 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 1: and there must be response from this. I mean Republicans 357 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:47,879 Speaker 1: in Congress. I know there's the oversight hearings, and I 358 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: should note it does not strike me as a coincidence 359 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 1: that on the day perhaps I haven't seen the information. 360 00:22:56,520 --> 00:23:00,040 Speaker 1: We're not sure exactly, but it may be that the 361 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 1: most clear and solid allegation of straight up quid pro 362 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: quo corruption and bribery against Joe Biden, the day that 363 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:14,120 Speaker 1: that information comes forward, which was yesterday, is the same 364 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 1: day that the indictment comes down against Donald Trump. Maybe 365 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 1: it's a coincidence, but to asking for asking for a 366 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,719 Speaker 1: lot for people to say, oh, sure, and even if 367 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:26,879 Speaker 1: it's even let's just say theoretically that the timing of 368 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 1: it did happen just because, which I do not believe. 369 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 1: But think about how they've dragged their feet on all 370 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:38,159 Speaker 1: things related to the Bidens. Hunter Biden is a criminal, folks. 371 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:43,160 Speaker 1: There's no question Hunter Biden has committed crimes many, many times. 372 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,640 Speaker 1: There's video evidence of him committing crimes. I'm pretty sure 373 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:48,680 Speaker 1: smoking crack is still legal, for example. I mean, there's 374 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 1: he filled out a handgun form while he was a 375 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:54,919 Speaker 1: drug user and said he was not, which is a 376 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 1: federal felony. I mean, and then there's the not paying 377 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 1: taxes on millions of dollars of in. Hunter Biden is 378 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: a criminal who has somehow never been indicted for any crime. 379 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 5: Hmm. 380 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 1: I wonder why that is. I think we all know. 381 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 1: I think we all see, and the outrage from all 382 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 1: of this is necessary, But so is a steely eyed 383 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 1: determination to move forward and fight against this madness and 384 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 1: not lose our heads in the process. Because you'll hear 385 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,679 Speaker 1: people say things like the future of the country is 386 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: at stake on a whole range of different issues. You know, 387 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 1: Democrats will say it if we don't raise taxes, the 388 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 1: future of the country, But it is true in this circumstance. 389 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 1: It is true in this situation. If we have turned 390 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: into a country where democrats can just indict their political 391 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:52,679 Speaker 1: opponents for whatever. In fact, indict multiple times, which is 392 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 1: already Let's be clear, Donald Trump, this is a second 393 00:24:55,720 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: indictment and there are more coming. This is a guy 394 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: who how many times Donald Trump is what seventy six? 395 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 1: I think something like that, never been indicted before for 396 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 1: a crime in his whole life, gone a long way here, 397 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 1: lots of business dealings, lots of stuff he's been involved in, 398 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 1: you know, TV and real estate dealings and running businesses. 399 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 1: And how many times was Donald Trump criminally indicted before 400 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 1: he became the Republican front runner and former president? Zero times? 401 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 1: You start to do some of the probability math on this, 402 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 1: and you think, wait, maybe something's going on here. Maybe 403 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:40,439 Speaker 1: there's something up with what's happening. Yeah, I know, I know. Friends, 404 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 1: it's makes me angry to I'm trying to keep my 405 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 1: cool with all this, but we are working through it 406 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 1: all together. Brain also in Connecticut. Brain, what have you 407 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 1: got for us? Brian? But Brian, I mean it was 408 00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,680 Speaker 1: Brain on the screen. I thought maybe it's a funky name, 409 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: but that makes a lot more sense. Thank you? What 410 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 1: have you got? 411 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 5: Everybody? 412 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:06,120 Speaker 7: Everybody makes the same mistake. Don't worry, No I'm a 413 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 7: frustrated conservative, always been a Republican conservative, donated to Trump 414 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 7: both times. He ran I'm just frustrated though, because, like, 415 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,639 Speaker 7: you know, what we're great at as a party is rage, 416 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 7: but we're not great at out smarting them. And at 417 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 7: the end of the day, it's all of the. 418 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,159 Speaker 5: Things that everybody's talking about. After buying bler. 419 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:29,920 Speaker 2: Clinton oh was all. 420 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,919 Speaker 7: You know, it's great, but that's not going to put 421 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,160 Speaker 7: someone different into the White House. 422 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 8: And if we don't do that, none. 423 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 7: Of the things that we're hoping and want to change 424 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 7: is gonna. 425 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 1: I wanted to hear what he said there at the end, 426 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,920 Speaker 1: but it sounded like he kind of lost him. But Brian, 427 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 1: thank you for calling in. And I'm pretty sure this 428 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 1: name is right, Neil in Waterville, Maine. Neil, what's going on? 429 00:26:58,680 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 9: Hey? 430 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 2: Thank you. There are two points that come to mind 431 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 2: when I think of this indictment. Number one is that 432 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 2: we really have Donald Trump to thank for drawing out 433 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 2: how corrupt the Democrats are, how corrupt the Justice Department is, 434 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 2: and how much corruption there is and our government in general. 435 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:23,119 Speaker 2: And my second point is that I think this signals, 436 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,919 Speaker 2: this indictment signals that they're going to get rid of Biden. 437 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 2: He's not going to run because Trump is the only 438 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 2: guy he could possibly beat. Nobody's going to vote for Biden, 439 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 2: but a lot of people will vote against Trump. 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That you did int here on the show. 483 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 4: Get podcast extras in the Clay in Buck podcast feed, find. 484 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 1: It on the iheartapp or wherever you get your podcast. 485 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Clay and Buck. Just let you know. 486 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 1: In a couple of moments, we'll be joined by Andy 487 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 1: McCarthy Fox News and National Review, formerly Southern District of 488 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 1: New York Prosecutor. Just for where this is going legally, 489 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 1: the timeline, how the strength of the case right now, 490 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 1: possible additional charges, the judge and you will break down 491 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 1: all those details with us, and then we'll also have 492 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 1: none other than our our main man, Clay Travis. In 493 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 1: the next hour, he'll be calling in from vacation because 494 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 1: he is truly out on a hiking trail and he 495 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 1: wants to weigh in on this. Of course, so he's 496 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 1: on vacation, but he's taken a break from it to 497 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 1: call in on this. I'll do the next hour David 498 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 1: and Wisconsin you have thoughts on the indictment. What's going on, David? 499 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, Buck. You know, for months I've heard people call 500 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 5: into this show and claim that if Trump's not the nominee, 501 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 5: they're going to take their toys and go home. Here's 502 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 5: the news flash, guys. Trump's going to prison. It sucks. 503 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 5: I hate it, but those are the cards the communist 504 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 5: swine have dealt us, and we got to deal with it. 505 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 5: I also want to speak to the independence out there, 506 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 5: you know, Buck, When I think of independence, they remind 507 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 5: me of fifteen year old, pittulent, little self absorbed girls 508 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 5: that think it's the responsibility of every potential suitor to 509 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 5: convince them of why they're worthy of their presence. It's 510 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 5: time to stop living in fantasy world. The future of 511 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 5: our Republicans and the balance. You need to understand what's 512 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 5: at stake here and stop playing games, sitting on the 513 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 5: fence thinking you're holier than now. It's the games are over. 514 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 5: It's time to buckle down and do what we need 515 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 5: to do. 516 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 1: David, thank you for calling in just to what he 517 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:50,800 Speaker 1: says about Trump is going to prison if he's found guilty. 518 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 1: He's going to prison everybody. If he is found guilty. 519 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 1: I don't think that on this case. Well, let's talk 520 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 1: to Andy about it. The conviction rate for federal criminal 521 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 1: cases is astonishingly high. Just remember that. Now, this is 522 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 1: a very different federal criminal case. But usually if he 523 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 1: was willing to take a plea bargain, I think it's 524 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 1: likely that, but then he'd have to admit guilt, and 525 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,720 Speaker 1: he's never going to do that. I'm just thinking through this, 526 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 1: then he could avoid prison. That'd give him a suspended sentence, 527 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 1: and you know, he'd plead to one count or something. 528 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 1: And that's that's usually how the federal system works, because 529 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 1: because he is not going to do that, you would 530 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 1: then have to hope that even if found guilty, a 531 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 1: federal judge would realize how crazy this is. Remember, a 532 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 1: judge can just put aside any sent A judge can 533 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 1: just say, yeah, I'm gonna put aside a jury verdict. 534 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 1: It's very rare for them to do that. But a 535 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 1: judge can judge can decide, you know, no prison time, 536 00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 1: although his hands can get kind of tied up. I 537 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,040 Speaker 1: think on the federal side with some of the anyway, Look, 538 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,200 Speaker 1: you know what, I don't want to tell you anything 539 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 1: that is not one hundred percent. Uh, you know, letter 540 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 1: of the Lass, so to speak. So we'll talk to 541 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 1: Andy about this in just a few minutes on the 542 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 1: federal sentencing situational. But I'm hopeful that that won't come 543 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 1: to that. I mean, he is. He is getting tried, 544 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 1: There's no question about that. So now it's what is 545 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 1: a jury of his peers in Florida? Believe Joe from 546 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 1: Point Pleasant New Point Pleasant Beach, New Jersey, Joe, what 547 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 1: do you think? 548 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:33,640 Speaker 9: Hey, hey, Buck, how are you. 549 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 4: I've been listening to you for a while when you 550 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 4: had your on the show on the podcast, thank you, 551 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,480 Speaker 4: And I'm a little surprised the last couple of months 552 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,600 Speaker 4: the way your show has been going. I am so 553 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:46,480 Speaker 4: upset what's going on in the last couple of months 554 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 4: with Trump, what they're doing to him. But he's to me, 555 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 4: he's the best president we've had since Lincoln, and that 556 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,040 Speaker 4: people could laugh when I say that he had great, 557 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 4: He had great four years. And your partner on this show, 558 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 4: I told you the screen that the Republicans should all 559 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:07,520 Speaker 4: stick together and let Trump be the Canademy. 560 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,799 Speaker 9: But instead of backing him up, they're like saying enough 561 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,279 Speaker 9: is enough, Like you upon the Clay seems to do. 562 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,920 Speaker 9: He doesn't come out and say it, but he wants 563 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 9: to say this, Well, can. 564 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 1: I can I can we be fair? Clay is Clay 565 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,440 Speaker 1: is not here right now. So let's not say what 566 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 1: Clay would say, because I don't think that's a fair 567 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,400 Speaker 1: assessment of his view, certainly of this legal situation or 568 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,840 Speaker 1: of Trump. But let's why don't we Why don't we 569 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 1: get you to call in and take take it up 570 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,319 Speaker 1: with Clay when he's here to talk for Clay, right 571 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,840 Speaker 1: because I'm not Clay. So and and look in terms 572 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 1: of other candidates, now, I mean they are entitled to 573 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:47,560 Speaker 1: their own political ambitions too. Uh So the call to 574 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,960 Speaker 1: suspend all of their campaigns and definitely they think so 575 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 1: thank you for calling in. They think that obviously they 576 00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,480 Speaker 1: would do if they're running. They think they would do 577 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,440 Speaker 1: a better job than Trump. Otherwise why are they running? 578 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,440 Speaker 1: So you can disagree with that, but they're allowed to 579 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,840 Speaker 1: think that. And that is why we have a primary process. 580 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,440 Speaker 1: Uh And that's what when we have NICKI Haley on Tuesday, 581 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,440 Speaker 1: I'm going to ask her that very directly, do you 582 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 1: think you'd be better than Donald Trump at this? If 583 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 1: the answer is no, why are you run? Of course 584 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,239 Speaker 1: she's I assume she's going to say yes. But so 585 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,840 Speaker 1: that's why they're running because they don't agree with the 586 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:26,839 Speaker 1: proposition of the previous caller that they that that Trump 587 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:28,520 Speaker 1: would be better than them. Now you can think that 588 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,960 Speaker 1: that's crazy, but that's obviously the position of the various 589 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,240 Speaker 1: candidates we're in the race. All right, one more here, 590 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 1: Adam from Texas. Adam, what do you have? 591 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 8: Tell you what's going on today? So as far as 592 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,759 Speaker 8: the you know, the indictment and everything goes, you know, 593 00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,360 Speaker 8: it's just proof of what Trump's been saying for years 594 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,200 Speaker 8: and everyone's just sort of, you know, angry that he 595 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:53,960 Speaker 8: finally proved it. So they're trying to take him down 596 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:54,880 Speaker 8: any way possible. 597 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,560 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, No, I mean, look, it's it's the Dave 598 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:00,200 Speaker 1: to thank you for for calling it at him. They've 599 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:04,160 Speaker 1: decided that whatever they have to do. Remember I've said 600 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:09,880 Speaker 1: this before, it's I think it's worth remembering the institution 601 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:15,000 Speaker 1: of journalism as a addistident in America under Trump openly 602 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:19,320 Speaker 1: decided that to be truthful was to be anti Trump. 603 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:23,560 Speaker 1: Therefore truth in journalism was anti Trump. Is that they 604 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:27,560 Speaker 1: really did Washington Post, New York Times. That has now 605 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:32,200 Speaker 1: been extended to the Department of Justice and the federal 606 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:36,680 Speaker 1: criminal justice system, which is anything. As far as Democrats 607 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:41,960 Speaker 1: are concerned, Anything that can be done to destroy Trump 608 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 1: legally is in fact justice. Now, this is a tautology, 609 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:53,839 Speaker 1: This is absurd, but I think it is very much 610 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,480 Speaker 1: their approach to this. All right, Annie McCarthy on the 611 00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,840 Speaker 1: details of how this plays out criminally. He'll be with 612 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:02,120 Speaker 1: us next and Clay Play'll be with us next as well. 613 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,840 Speaker 1: Stick around