1 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 1: Thinking sideways. I don't know. You never know stories of things, 2 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: don't know the answer too. Well, Hi everybody, my name's 3 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 1: Devin and I'm joined as always by Joe Steve. Oh 4 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: not Joe and Steve. Just Joe Steve. Yeah, yeah, well 5 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 1: my name isn't and Steve, so yeah it's not. I thought, yeah, 6 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 1: I've been a little it's a little weird when you 7 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 1: keep introducing me as and Steve and Steve and people 8 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: say hoh, hi and Steve. Well, and you know, put 9 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: us three in a room and uh, you've got thinking sideways. 10 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:51,639 Speaker 1: The podcast not to mention synergy of synergy. In this 11 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 1: room here we are the definition of synergy. So the 12 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: mystery we're gonna talk about tonight is the dancing plague 13 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: of eighteen. As luck would have it, there are actually 14 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: a lot of dancing plagues in our history, including one 15 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: in the seventies and the seventies and again entire seventies. Okay, 16 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 1: that was not a dancing plague. That was a plague 17 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:22,400 Speaker 1: of dancers. Yeah, yeah, And actually there there was a 18 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:25,119 Speaker 1: case that's kind of relevant to this in like even 19 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:28,400 Speaker 1: two thousand and twelve. Really, where was that The East 20 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 1: coast of America. Sorry, it occurs to me not everybody 21 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: is listening in America. But right now we're going to 22 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:37,680 Speaker 1: talk about the dancing plague of fifteen eighteen. I think 23 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 1: it's probably the most famous one. Yeah. Um, and it 24 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:43,959 Speaker 1: starts if if you go to if you type in 25 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 1: dance plague, and this is the one that comes up, 26 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: you know, even though there's been lots of others. Yeah. Yeah. 27 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: And it took place in what was then the Holy 28 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 1: Roll Roman Empire but is now kind of on the 29 00:01:55,560 --> 00:02:02,279 Speaker 1: border of France and Germany Strostburg. Yes, exactly, words words. 30 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: I can't say. I'm so bad with German pronunciation. I 31 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:08,359 Speaker 1: don't know why I keep picking stories that have German 32 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 1: pronunciation in them for punishment. It's probably it you actually 33 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 1: secretly want to, you know, spit up, step up your 34 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: pronunciation of German. That's that's maybe it's just kind of yea. 35 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 1: Our story starts with fraud Trofa. She's a young woman. Um. 36 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: I would say she's the patient zero of this particular 37 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 1: dancing plague. In July, she takes to the streets and 38 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:50,279 Speaker 1: starts dancing quote fervorently, fervently, fervently, pervent fervently, fervently. Okay, 39 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 1: the same word, pronouncing it wrong, Yeah, fervently, ferventally. Don't 40 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: ask me. I'm not the one for pronunciations. Yeah, it's 41 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: not even a German word for Christ. So for the 42 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: she danced for um four to six days apparently not 43 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 1: not a great handle on how many actual days she 44 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: danced for, but four to six um. And in the 45 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: beginning she was alone, but by the end of the 46 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: week thirty four others started boogying with her in the streets, 47 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 1: and by the end of the month, four hundred boogiears 48 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 1: were accounted for what was the population of Strasbourg at 49 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:34,239 Speaker 1: this time. We don't know, really awful, Yeah I don't. 50 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think we were even doing sensuces. 51 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: We they I don't think they were doing sensus. So 52 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: a dozens of these people died as a result of this, 53 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 1: either from exhaustion like you would you know, kind of think, 54 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: or heart attacks or seizures strokes, excuse me, strokes. So 55 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: there's a fairly strong evidence that this did actually happen. 56 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 1: In fact, they're reputable historic documents, including physicians notes, cathedral sermons, 57 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: local and regional chronicles, notes issued by a city counts 58 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: local city council that are all real, that all mentioned 59 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: this plague. In fact, historian and professor at Michigan State 60 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 1: University John Waller goes so far as to say that 61 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: the event took place is undisputed, and he wrote a 62 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: book about it. To This book is spelled Dance Till 63 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: You Die or A Time to Dance, Yeah, he wrote 64 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 1: to or something like that. I don't know, Yeah, I 65 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:40,840 Speaker 1: don't know. Accounts show that people weren't just shaking or 66 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 1: trembling or convulsing, but actually dancing, dancing um, moving their 67 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: arms and legs on purpose. I don't know what it 68 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:51,799 Speaker 1: looked like. I don't know that I'm doing the twist, 69 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: definitely not doing that. But they were apparently actively moving 70 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:57,679 Speaker 1: their arms and legs. So it wasn't just like people 71 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: like spreading out. It was voluntary. It was involuntary. Oh, 72 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 1: this is what I heard is this, and many of 73 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: these people were really not happy about their status as dancers. 74 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: People reportedly were writhing in pain, screaming for help and 75 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 1: begging for mercy. At the same time, however, apparently they 76 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: were experiencing altered states of consciousness, almost like a trance state. 77 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: This helps to explain how they could have physically maintained 78 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:26,159 Speaker 1: dancing for so long the trance, Yeah, because you kind 79 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 1: of think, you know, who could dance for six days? 80 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:33,799 Speaker 1: I mean you well, you know, it's just in general, 81 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: like who can dance that long? Suffering? Like the patient 82 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: zero for out trophia was apparently she would. She danced 83 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 1: until she was exhausted and then just sort of fell 84 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 1: to the ground and fell asleep, and then when she 85 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 1: woke up up started dancing. And I don't know what 86 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 1: she did for food and water in the meantime, no idea. Yeah, 87 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 1: that's a good question. I've never seen anything saying, okay, 88 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: well we force fed or food or water down and 89 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,279 Speaker 1: I've never seen anything said how they got suss it 90 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: might have maybe townspeople just brought in, like you know, 91 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 1: cakes and glasses of water or something like that. I 92 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 1: don't know, something something to eat, something, I mean, if 93 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 1: these people are dancing, that doesn't mean they can't eat. 94 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: They can just like you know, people can just walk 95 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 1: up and hand and hand them something to chow down 96 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: on and they could eat it while they dance, unless 97 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: it's I mean, you know, if it's involuntary. Involuntary though, 98 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 1: and they're just like, yeah, they have no control. I 99 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,719 Speaker 1: guess they're out of luck. Yes, she just hand feed them. 100 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: You have to shove a little cake in their mouths 101 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 1: or something like that, or some beef turkey and that 102 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: sounds messy. Yeah. I was gonna say, this is where 103 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:40,600 Speaker 1: we got pieing in the face. Some of it ends 104 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: up in their mouths. Dirty dancing, it is. So, I 105 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:48,039 Speaker 1: guess the only the real question of this isn't did 106 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: this happen? Like most of our mysteries are did this happen? 107 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:56,599 Speaker 1: This one is why did this happen? Or more accurately, 108 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,839 Speaker 1: why did that happen? Well, I'll tell you why it happened. 109 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: Dance fever, dance fever, dance dance revolution exactly. Yeah. Well, 110 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:09,479 Speaker 1: I got to tell you my theory right now. It 111 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: was like, uh, these people really wanted to be good dancers. 112 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 1: And you know, if you really want to get good 113 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 1: at something, you've got to do a lot of it practice. Yeah. 114 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 1: That that's your entire theory, is that they wanted to 115 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: be good dancers, so they were practicing. Yeah, ok, yeah, 116 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: I mean it's not much worse than our first theory. Yeah, yeah, 117 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:38,239 Speaker 1: this is a good theory. I like this one. Yeah, 118 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: it was actually the theory of the time with the physicians. 119 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 1: The local physicians diagnosed this woman and then all the 120 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: subsequent other people with which was hot blood, which is 121 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: a weird diagnosis. Quite understand this, and they said, wow, 122 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: she's got a fever. Obviously her blood is just really 123 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: hot running through her vein. Although usually they would have 124 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: prescribed blood letting at this point because that was kind 125 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 1: of popular thing that was that was actually probably killed 126 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: more people that have helped. But yeah, um, but it 127 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: was popular, it was popular. They prescribed more dancing. Actually 128 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: for her, they said, you should just dance it out, 129 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: just walk it out, just walk it out, actually right 130 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 1: out the prescription. I have no idea. The local physicians 131 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: quote ruled out astrological and supernatural causes, instead announcing that 132 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:39,559 Speaker 1: the plague was a natural disease caused by hot blood. Yeah, 133 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: I'm sad. Supernatural and astrological they were ruled out on 134 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: the scene, which means that we can't say it was 135 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:49,079 Speaker 1: demon possession. They knew, like if anybody was going to 136 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:51,439 Speaker 1: know if it was dem in possession, they would have known. Yeah, 137 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 1: it probably was demonic possession. I think probably well, I 138 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: assure you guys were like devotees of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. 139 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: And do you remember the musical episode? Yeah, that was 140 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 1: a great episode, but I remember what it turned out 141 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: to be. It turned out there was a demon that 142 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: it comes down and this demon caused people to burst 143 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: out into song, you know, and so maybe maybe it 144 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 1: was probably what it was. Yeah, a similar demon dancing demon. 145 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: Steve is not amused. I can't. I can't believe that 146 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: we're talking about Buffy. You can't believe it. Well, Buffy 147 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: is like you know what she is? Well, but it 148 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: does It doesn't make me think about the actual dancing 149 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: in the demonic possession. It does make me think about 150 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 1: some of the stuff that in the reading and the 151 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 1: research that I was doing. Is where Is? I want 152 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 1: to say, Hadis is not the place but in the 153 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 1: Caribbean where people are quote prone to quote unquote demonic possession. 154 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:48,079 Speaker 1: Do you know what I'm talking about? Places where they 155 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:53,679 Speaker 1: they'll be zombiefied for a while. It possession though, but 156 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: it's like well spirits, it's spirits will take them over, 157 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: is what they say. Yeah, probably some people believe that, 158 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:01,839 Speaker 1: But there's apification in Haitia is when you can actually 159 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: give people this drugs from it's made from a local 160 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: plant and apparently it it puts you under and then 161 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: you basically into a sort of a trance and you're 162 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 1: you can be enslaved to to whoever administered the drug 163 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 1: to you, right and well. And and these people are 164 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 1: known for, you know, being possessed and doing all these things. 165 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: One of the things they do all the times, they 166 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 1: do those kind of wild erratic dances, and it may 167 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's the same thing, but it makes 168 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 1: me think about what it might have looked like to 169 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:33,839 Speaker 1: watch these people in this plague. Yeah. Well, actually that's 170 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 1: an interesting theory, you know, because when you think about 171 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 1: the zompification in Haiti. If you administer this this naturally 172 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: occurring drug to people and enslave them to your will 173 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 1: and just say okay, go out in the streets and 174 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 1: just dance your ass off, you know, and maybe, you know, 175 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: maybe that's maybe it was some guy who was doing 176 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 1: something like that. Maybe it was some guy drugging people 177 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 1: and making them dance. I mean, you think you'd want 178 00:10:57,840 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: to go to the drug them and make them go 179 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 1: go to the A T. M And get some cash 180 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 1: out to give to you or something like that, because 181 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 1: there were so many a t M s at that time. 182 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 1: How many were there at Strasbourg at that time, probably 183 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 1: only like five? Ye do a google on it. The 184 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 1: next theory is that it was mass hysteria. Yeah, so 185 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: remember John Waller from He's written two books on the subject, 186 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: and he posits that it was caused by mass psychogenic illness. 187 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 1: What is psychogenic? Because I couldn't ever get a real 188 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: clear answer on what that means. Psychogenic diseases are psychological 189 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:46,839 Speaker 1: illnesses that stem from emotional trauma. Okay, so it's it's 190 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 1: it's just essentially like a physical ailment that has that 191 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: that isn't really real. It's not caused by a physical illness. 192 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:59,319 Speaker 1: It's caused by psychological Yeah, it's like a physical manifestation 193 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: of emotional or mental stress. Okay, Okay, well yeah I 194 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 1: can I can follow that because there's a lot of 195 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: people who I swear I have this and then they 196 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: exhibit every symptom, textbook symptom, but when the actual tests 197 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: are done, they don't really have anything. So would that 198 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: be a good correlation to example of it? No, that's 199 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 1: like in their head or it could also be a 200 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 1: hysterical something like a hysterical pregnancy is not an actual pregnancy. 201 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 1: It's a pregnancy where a woman ye shows all the 202 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 1: signs of it, but it's actually just her body or 203 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: her brain tricking her body into thinking that she's pregnant. 204 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: So that's what psychogenic is. That kind of Okay, that 205 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 1: makes sense, and that's kind of but it's more like 206 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: your brain. You're experiencing a lot of stress. So you 207 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: here's a great example. Actually, and I was going to 208 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 1: talk about it a little bit later, but we'll just 209 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 1: talk about it right now. Um, this this case, in 210 00:12:56,160 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: two twelve on the East coast of the United States 211 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: of America, twelve students, all going to the same school, 212 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 1: developed these strange symptoms that look a lot like treats. 213 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:18,199 Speaker 1: So they're involuntary physical tics and voluntary vocal tics like 214 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 1: you know Tret's patients but have. But it just developed 215 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 1: overnight and in twelve people at the same time. Of course, 216 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: I could have been twelve teenagers decided they wanted to 217 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: and they wanted a good excuse to yell. That's true. Also, 218 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 1: I watched some interviews with these students and it is 219 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: definitely not that it is definitely involuntary. No, they're not 220 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:45,439 Speaker 1: faking it. It's involuntary twitches. It looks awful. It has 221 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: totally disrupted their lives. Is a hard one to fake 222 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 1: for real. I don't know if you've ever known anybody 223 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 1: with it. I a coworker years ago. I have not. 224 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 1: He was on med's for it and I was just 225 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 1: I didn't know, and I was taught to him, and 226 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 1: then he was at my desk talking to me and 227 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 1: just sort of locked up and had this screwed you know, 228 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 1: his face kind of screwed up for a second. He 229 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:10,839 Speaker 1: let go and he let out a deep breath and 230 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 1: that he apologized, like, my meds are a little office 231 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 1: like and I didn't know, and he explained it was like, oh, 232 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: and so he would do he would have weird little 233 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 1: just he's just sitting there, typing away at his desk 234 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: and just you know, he's he just kind of bunch 235 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: up at the neck and his eye would just kind 236 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: of twitch. I mean, it was it was very obvious 237 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: what it was once you knew what it was. That's 238 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 1: hard to fake. It's uncomfortable actual turetts, isn't You don't 239 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 1: actually seal out swear words some people and some people do, 240 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 1: but it's mostly you just you have these verbal ticks 241 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: and oftentimes it's just like a stutter or like a 242 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: stumble over words or physical So this in this instance, 243 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: the school district ruled that it wasn't an environmental anything, 244 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 1: that somehow these twelve students had all just developed this 245 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 1: for unknown reasons. That is a great example of this 246 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: kind of mental disorder. They're saying now that it's just 247 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: that these twelve students have some kind of stress in 248 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 1: their lives and this is how it's manifesting. Or fear 249 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 1: to me, it could be something that viral in origin too, 250 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 1: I suppose that's true. Have you ever heard of Bell's pals? Yes? Yeah, 251 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: a friend of mine caught that once years ago. He 252 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 1: wakes up one day and and one half of his 253 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: face is paralyzed. He couldn't move it at all. Yeah. 254 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 1: You know, doctors have tested these kids for pretty much 255 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: everything under the sun, and it doesn't seem to be anything. 256 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 1: They think it's definitely psychological in some nature. So that's 257 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 1: a psychogenic disorder that they think at this point that 258 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: it's just some kind of stress. Another great example would 259 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 1: be a thing that a lot of people have probably 260 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: heard of, which is the laughing disease that that after 261 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 1: there was this group of African girls who got it right. Yeah, 262 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: it was very interesting. There's a great radio lab on it. 263 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:59,359 Speaker 1: A bunch of schoolgirls in Tanzania just started laughing uncontrollably 264 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: and couldn't off themselves from really yeah for like weeks. Yeah, 265 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 1: those are examples of psychogenic illnesses. Okay, so what's what's 266 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: going on in the area. That would not a great question. 267 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: They're in the middle of a really awful famine caused 268 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 1: by cold winters, hot summers, crop frost, and violent hail storms. 269 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: Also suffering an outbreak of smallpox, siphilis, and leprosy. So 270 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: the whole community is going through this, and you could 271 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 1: kind of think that absolutely it makes sense to me 272 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: that everybody would just kind of have this, or at 273 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: least maybe one person has this break, right, the psychogenic 274 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: break that causes her to uncontrollably dance for whatever reason, 275 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 1: and then people see it and for the first couple 276 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 1: of days they think, oh, there's there's frau out there. 277 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 1: She's just being great, just being crazy, and then a 278 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: couple of them are like just compelled to join her 279 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 1: for whatever reason. They see it every day, and they're 280 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 1: also in these stress mental states, and for whatever reason, 281 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 1: their brain says, yeah, let's do that too. And the 282 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 1: more people that join, the more people that join, you know. 283 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 1: So I guess that's the only it's also the only 284 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 1: one that really explains why the group would have gotten 285 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:23,679 Speaker 1: exponentially bigger over time. It was kind of like the 286 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:25,920 Speaker 1: reverse of the placebo effect too, and that is that, 287 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 1: you know, back in those days, people were pretty superstitious, 288 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: and so you see somebody dancing like that and apparently 289 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 1: against it, well, and just you start thinking, Wow, demons, 290 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 1: how much longer do I have to go before the 291 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:38,440 Speaker 1: demon get? You know? And then you sort of talk 292 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 1: yourself into believing that there's a demon out there who's 293 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,399 Speaker 1: going to take over your body and and do this 294 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 1: stuff to you and and correct me if I'm wrong. 295 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 1: But this particular plague, I think you said this before, 296 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: is not the first time it happened, Nope, nor the last. 297 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: It was just kind of the biggest and best documented 298 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 1: I think what it's the first documented case was in 299 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 1: twelve or thirteen hundreds somewhere in Yeah, it's that's really interesting. 300 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 1: There's this period of time from the twelve century ish 301 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 1: to like the seventeenth century ish where we see dancing 302 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 1: plagues and really not since then and not before then really, 303 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 1: I mean maybe before then, maybe we just were like 304 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 1: odd demons and so it was just kind of a fad. 305 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:27,919 Speaker 1: Then maybe do you know why it stopped? No? Do 306 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:30,920 Speaker 1: you know why? Well, I mean I've read some stuff 307 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:36,639 Speaker 1: on it. It's okay, what's his name, saint? Is it 308 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:40,160 Speaker 1: Vitas or Vitus? Which? How do I don't know which 309 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:42,360 Speaker 1: way to pronounce. I'll go I'll go with Vitas. Gonna 310 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 1: go with Vitas, Okay, so we'll say it's Vitas. I 311 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:48,919 Speaker 1: know that in the readings that we were doing, there's 312 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:51,440 Speaker 1: the thing about St. Vitus and heat. You're going to 313 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:54,159 Speaker 1: steal my next theory. Well, but but it actually it 314 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 1: plays into why it's stopped. Okay. So for St. Vitus 315 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: was a saint and correctly correct me if I'm wrong 316 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 1: on how the story goes. But basically he called down 317 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:10,880 Speaker 1: dancing as a punishment. Yeah, if you if you were 318 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: a sinner, he would send down plagues of compulsive dancing 319 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 1: to anyone that angered him. Okay, and people God. What 320 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 1: was the predominant religion at the time. It wasn't christian 321 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:27,199 Speaker 1: It wasn't Christianity fully Roman Empire. Okay, well, I I 322 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 1: just I know that there was a shift in the 323 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: direction of the church. And at that time, in that era, 324 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 1: a lot of the worship was you worshiped the Saints, 325 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 1: I mean God, but you still worshiped the Saints. And 326 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:50,359 Speaker 1: about the sixteen seventeen hundreds they shifted away from worshiping 327 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 1: the saints as much. So then the knowledge about this 328 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 1: saint calling this down on people fell out of popular knowledge. 329 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 1: So then this reign of dancing terror wasn't something that 330 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 1: you knew about anymore. And people are collectively forgot about. 331 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: Are you saying that if you forget what a saint 332 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: will do to you, that saint can no longer do 333 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:16,399 Speaker 1: it to you. I am not going to say what 334 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 1: a saint can or can I do do you. I'm 335 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 1: not going to fall into that trap. But I do 336 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 1: know that people were worried about it. And it goes 337 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:27,640 Speaker 1: back to this this psychogogenic is at the right work, 338 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 1: is that when you're in these times of stress and 339 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: things are bad, and then oh, Saints, you know Vetus 340 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:36,679 Speaker 1: is setting his stuff down on us, and we're going 341 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 1: to be plagued by him. But if you're not, that's 342 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 1: not being preached at you all the time. You don't 343 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:46,439 Speaker 1: know that that's a potential punishment. I guess I kind of. 344 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,199 Speaker 1: I kind of was in the same thought process. And 345 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 1: I didn't include this because it's not a theory that 346 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:54,439 Speaker 1: I came across that was substantiated at all. But I 347 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 1: was like, Wow, they're in this horrible famine. Maybe Frau 348 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:01,400 Speaker 1: was like, wow, I remember we used to do rain 349 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 1: dances like to appease the gods for whatever reason whatever, 350 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 1: they're a great grandmother speak of. I'm just gonna go 351 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 1: do that for a little while. But that doesn't explain 352 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:13,640 Speaker 1: why it was involuntary, why it was like a trance state. 353 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:17,400 Speaker 1: Yeah no, and yeah, I mean the St. Vitus thing. 354 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:21,479 Speaker 1: You'd have to believe that that is what caused it. 355 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:23,360 Speaker 1: And I'm not gonna I'm not gonna say that that's 356 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: what's caused it. But I just wonder if you're in 357 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 1: that suggestible state because life sucks and do something, well, 358 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,399 Speaker 1: it would be easy. Oh, that lady is still doing it. 359 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,880 Speaker 1: And like Joe said, when when am I? When am I? When? 360 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:45,479 Speaker 1: When's my card? Oh? I'm being pulled on the dance floor. 361 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: You know, the conception of saints is vengeful does appear 362 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 1: to have gone away? Yeah, I mean we still have 363 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: our saints and everything, but we don't we don't really 364 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:58,640 Speaker 1: see them as vengeful. And I'm not sure exactly when 365 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 1: that when that sort of turned. I know that it's 366 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: the same thing happened with angels. You know, if you 367 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 1: look at the Old Testament, angels were not they were 368 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,919 Speaker 1: not nice. They were not sweethearts, like they were God's 369 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 1: hit man. They were they were badass, and he didn't 370 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: want it. He didn't want to meet an angel. Yeah, 371 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 1: and now that it's totally reverse. Now angels are wonderful. 372 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,879 Speaker 1: They're like, you know, good fairies. They are good. Yeah. 373 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:24,880 Speaker 1: So while we're talking about saints, since you totally steamrolled 374 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 1: my next theory, my last theory, I guess we're gonna 375 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 1: talk about St. Anthony's fire that. No, it's actually ergotism, 376 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:39,199 Speaker 1: which is how we've decided we're going to say this word. Um. 377 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: Ergotism is what you get after you eat ergo. Yeah, 378 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: I'm not sure if it's I think it's ergo, but 379 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 1: it might be ergo. Okay, what of our listeners, would 380 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: you look it up and send us an email right now, 381 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: right now? While recording and we talked about this as 382 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: a possible answer for the Mary Celeste. If you guys 383 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 1: will recall I do recall, so I don't think our 384 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 1: listeners probably recall this. Yeah, yeah, we did. We totally 385 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: we did. Our listeners may or may not recall that 386 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 1: this is something that you get. Ergo is a mold 387 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 1: that grows on rye bread when it's stored improperly, and 388 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 1: they didn't exactly have good good options and hey, you 389 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: remember that famine thing exactly, so you're gonna eat whatever 390 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: you can. It's also a psychotropic mold that can cause delirium, hallucinations, 391 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 1: and seizures, among other things. Yeah, but apparently from whatever 392 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: the symptoms of ergotism are are basically kind of spat. 393 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: You just sort of spass out. You know, you don't 394 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 1: really dance, You're just gonna twitch and spas. Yeah, that's 395 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 1: a problem. It'll also a problem for me is why 396 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 1: more and more people would be suffering from it instead 397 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 1: of a big outburst to begin with and less and 398 00:23:57,880 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 1: less people, which is what you would kind of assume 399 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: if everybody was eating gross bread. Uh, you know, actually 400 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,719 Speaker 1: have an idea on that. What's your idea on that? Okay, 401 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:11,679 Speaker 1: so Fraul was dancing and everybody's kind of coming around 402 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 1: and watching her, and then somebody else joins in the dance. 403 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 1: And the local was that the city commission or whatever 404 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 1: they were they set up. They turned the whole thing 405 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 1: into like a giant dance hall when they decided to 406 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:31,679 Speaker 1: let them dance it out musicians. Ok So, so what 407 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 1: happens when you do that? People gather to check it out. 408 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 1: So then there's somebody industrial says, you know what, all 409 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 1: these gonna set up a food car and all these 410 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 1: people are gonna buy my food, and just happens to 411 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: have a whole stash of bread that is infected and 412 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 1: laced with it. And now people are standing around watching it, 413 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 1: and then they're afflicted with arctism, and then they start 414 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 1: dancing and more come to watch, and that guy's just 415 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: taken all the bready can and serving it to everybody. 416 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 1: I could see how exponentially that would help encourage the 417 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 1: growth of the epidemic. If that's what cost it, If 418 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 1: the organtism is what made it happen. But like you said, 419 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 1: I mean, organism is twitching. It's it's not full body 420 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 1: where it sounds like. Mostly it's in the extremities and 421 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,119 Speaker 1: you're not jumping up and down in quote unquote dancing 422 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,120 Speaker 1: the boogie woogie. Yeah, of course, you know. I mean 423 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,880 Speaker 1: this this happened like many many years ago, like five 424 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,199 Speaker 1: years ago. So, and as we all know, tales have 425 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:36,920 Speaker 1: a way of growing and the telling, so they might 426 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 1: have just been spazzing out of it and then somebody 427 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 1: described it as dancing at some point. You know, the 428 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 1: historic documents that we have very clearly state dancing, not 429 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 1: teasing or spasm ing. They specify that it's dancing full 430 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 1: on with legs and arms and everything. And some of 431 00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:00,640 Speaker 1: the other accounts that I read about, now this one's specifically, 432 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 1: but I think it was an earlier one. I think 433 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 1: it was a monk that was writing about it and 434 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 1: was saying that people were doing it and they were 435 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 1: falling down and dying because they would fall and they'd 436 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 1: break a rib or I can't remember the exact phrasing 437 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:24,119 Speaker 1: of it, but it was something about breaking their loins. Basically. 438 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,680 Speaker 1: I think that breaking bones in their legs or everything 439 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 1: is so tender that muscles are tearing inside and they're 440 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,679 Speaker 1: falling and it sounds like internal bleeding at that point. 441 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,200 Speaker 1: But you're just you're tearing your legs. I mean, you 442 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 1: think about your feet if you dance, you know, you 443 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,120 Speaker 1: go to an event and you dance for an hour, 444 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,679 Speaker 1: and you go home, you take your shoes off. All 445 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 1: my feet hurt so bad. Now think about if you've 446 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 1: been doing that for twelve, eighteen thirty some odd hours, 447 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 1: your feet are gonna be hamburger. Yeah, well, your whole 448 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 1: body is, but especially your legs and your feet. Yeah. 449 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 1: And that's one of the main problems people have with it. 450 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 1: Why they say that it must have been a trance 451 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 1: or altered state of mind, because there's just no way 452 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 1: for a human to sustain that, particularly if it's voluntary. 453 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 1: You know, it's further proof for why it was involuntary, 454 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,640 Speaker 1: because who does that because they've decided to do it 455 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 1: and continues to do it that long. Yeah, I don't. 456 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 1: I don't think I would ask for five minutes. I 457 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,440 Speaker 1: don't think I would. Yeah. The whole trance thing, though, 458 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: would explain why they would just push past push past 459 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 1: the pain. Yeah, because if they were in an altered 460 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:37,680 Speaker 1: state of consciousness, they probably wouldn't even be registering the pain, 461 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 1: recognizing the pain, or not nearly strong enough to stop right. Yeah. Yeah, 462 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:43,879 Speaker 1: So I mean that that lends a little craziness to 463 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,880 Speaker 1: the possibility of a trance. But I still don't understand exactly, 464 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,360 Speaker 1: still buy how they got into this trance. It's still 465 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,919 Speaker 1: a little odd to me. And and the other thing 466 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 1: that that I don't know if you guys came across this, 467 00:27:55,840 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 1: and I'm probably gonna butcher. The pronunciation here is send 468 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:09,360 Speaker 1: in hands correa. Does that sound Does that sound like hands? Correa? 469 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 1: Because I was looking this up, is it's a disorder 470 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 1: and evidently it pronounces itself. For the symptoms of it 471 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 1: are rapid, uncoordinated, jerky movements which are in the hands, 472 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 1: the feet, and the face, which I could see how 473 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 1: somebody could construe that is dancing. If I'm standing there 474 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,359 Speaker 1: in my hands and my feet and my face are 475 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 1: kind of jerking around and spasm ng, you would think, well, 476 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 1: you're just doing a weird dance. You're doing a dance. 477 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 1: I'm totally dancing. Yeah. Now, this particular affliction is something 478 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 1: that actually, this particular thing, it affects like kids mostly, 479 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 1: it's mostly kids, and it's like it's like an autoimmune disorder. Yeah, 480 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 1: and it's one that usually recover from. Now I know 481 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 1: that this particular thing comes about as an effect or 482 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 1: after effect of rheumatic fever, which is again this is 483 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 1: a disease that would have been possibly running rampants. It 484 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 1: also can be an after effect of a streptococcus infection also, 485 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 1: so yeah, and so it's like one of those things 486 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 1: where it does sufficient nerve damage, you know, to your 487 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 1: nervous system, and then eventually your your your immune system 488 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 1: starts to attack itself, start to attack and starts to 489 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 1: attack it's your nervous Yeah, and that's when you get 490 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 1: all spastic and everything. But apparently most people recover from it. 491 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 1: But it have been that widespread though, well, well, any 492 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 1: idea too that it would suddenly afflict all these different 493 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 1: people all at the same time. It's strain, but it 494 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 1: could have been some random strain of streptococcus or rheumatism 495 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 1: or rheumatism it's rheumantic fever. Yeah, it could have been 496 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 1: some oddball strain it came through and everybody didn't realize 497 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 1: what that they had. You know, let's just say everybody's 498 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 1: gotta It's like having a small cold. You don't realize 499 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 1: that you're really that that's sick, and so everybody's got it, 500 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 1: and so it's on setting to them, and that's why 501 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 1: it was so strangely pronounced at that time. But it 502 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:22,720 Speaker 1: hasn't that that version of the disease hasn't lived into 503 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 1: our day and age and died out, which we've seen 504 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 1: with other with other infectionous diseases like the plague, the 505 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 1: black plague. We no longer have that because we beat 506 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 1: it off eventually and it it's gone, and it's originally 507 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 1: it's ogally it's a form that that took and killed 508 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 1: so many people. That version is no longer around, and 509 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 1: there's but the point is that I could see how 510 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 1: that happens out. Granted, again, this afflicts mostly children, but 511 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 1: I could construe it back in time to a different 512 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 1: strain that could have been afflicting a I guess it 513 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,480 Speaker 1: just seems like they did a pretty good job keeping 514 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 1: the records in this place, and the physicians were obviously 515 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 1: on it. I mean, you know, they diagnosed all blood 516 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 1: but they would have. I think they would have probably said, 517 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 1: it's so weird. Everybody had this cold and now everybody's dancing. 518 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 1: But everybody might not have reported the cold. I mean, 519 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 1: think about it. You go to the physician when you're 520 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 1: sick and you have money to pay. It's not a 521 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 1: healthcare system. I have to have the money to go 522 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 1: see the doctor. It's like, oh, I'm gonna go see 523 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 1: the doctor. He's gonna at least take some of my 524 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 1: blood out of my body. He's gonna put on again. 525 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 1: Have you ever said this is a random aside. Have 526 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 1: you ever seen the old Saturday Night Live skip with 527 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 1: Steve Martin where he's the barber. Yeah, I remember that. Yeah, 528 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 1: he's a constantly ordering blood letting. That's what I always 529 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 1: think about. Anybody liked Evin who's staring at me blankly, 530 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 1: who hasn't seen this before just looking up on YouTube. 531 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 1: I know it's out there and it's it's a sick Martin, 532 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,720 Speaker 1: but it's really funny. But it's just blood letting. Yeah, 533 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 1: that's what don't cure you. It's it's actually theorized that 534 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 1: George Washington died from that. Really, yes, yeah, he got sick, 535 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 1: but then his doctors were like draining his blood from 536 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 1: his body, and you know it might not have he 537 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:20,720 Speaker 1: might not have died. He needed that blood. Yeah, yeah, 538 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:24,040 Speaker 1: you need blood. It's weird such thing as a surplus 539 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 1: of blood in your body. No. No, And it's also 540 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 1: weird how far in history we think of I always 541 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 1: think of blood letting is kind of a medieval thing. Yeah, 542 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 1: But the fact that it's you know, we're talking sevent 543 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 1: hundreds and possibly eight people were still using blood letting 544 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 1: as a treatment, it's just so archaic and weird to 545 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 1: think that it made it that far forward. And I 546 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 1: can't wait until like twenty years from now we're like, 547 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 1: I was so archaic using antibiot you know. Yeah. I 548 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 1: mean a lot of a lot of received wisdom is 549 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 1: overturned all the time if you're paying attention to know, 550 00:32:58,520 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 1: when I was a kid, they said, you know, they 551 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,760 Speaker 1: had the USDA food pyramid, which is pure bunk. Oh 552 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:04,720 Speaker 1: it absolutely and they and they said you have to 553 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 1: drink eight sixty nuts glasses of water a day. And 554 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 1: now somebody just made that up. You know, Salt bad. 555 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 1: WoT No, it turns out salt isn't bad for you. 556 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,719 Speaker 1: Coffee bad way. Now it turns out it's not butter's 557 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 1: bad fat. No, it turns out fat that's not bad 558 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 1: for you, great for you. Carbs maybe actually bad for you. Yeah, 559 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 1: exactly that we were like, hey, just have these instead, 560 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 1: I would low fat car Yeah. Yeah, stuff is being 561 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 1: overturned all the time. That's true, Like blood letting. Although 562 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 1: you know, in twenty years we're going to find out 563 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 1: blood letting actually the most effective and fighting cancer. I'm 564 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 1: not taking that. I'm not taking that treatment leaches their gross. Yeah, seriously. 565 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,720 Speaker 1: So I guess we're out of Yeah, I guess I 566 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,720 Speaker 1: tend to take a vote. Yeah, I guess it is 567 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 1: time to take a vote. Yeah, so I'm going to 568 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 1: go for the Buffy solution. It was a it was 569 00:33:55,120 --> 00:34:01,960 Speaker 1: a demon that made you dance, Okay, Steve, I h 570 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,120 Speaker 1: The only one that I guess I could kind of 571 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 1: possibly get behind is the psychogenic one, you know, I 572 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,360 Speaker 1: trance states happened, and I maybe see that being the 573 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 1: reason I'm not sold on any I like the moldy bread, yeah, oh, 574 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 1: the irrogant like moldy bread. Yeah. I don't like to 575 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,640 Speaker 1: eat it, but I like you want some toast. I 576 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 1: saw some moldy bread over there, thank you. Not interested 577 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,440 Speaker 1: in that. Actually, I'm actually kind of liking my theory 578 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,160 Speaker 1: that somebody was actually drugging people and putting them over 579 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 1: a trance and and then making them telling them to dance, 580 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:40,359 Speaker 1: because that's definitely the most effective use of people. Yeah. Well, 581 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 1: but if you're you're forte as a craftsman is to 582 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 1: build dancing stages, it's going to pay off because the 583 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,399 Speaker 1: city built that stage. And he's like, I'm the number 584 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:58,319 Speaker 1: one dance contractor, I'll build it perfect. He would be responsible. 585 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 1: We just found the culprit. Go. Yeah, so all I 586 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,919 Speaker 1: have to do is go back some contractor. Yeah, find 587 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,319 Speaker 1: the contractor of go, dig up his grave and spit 588 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,799 Speaker 1: on him. That'll teach him. Yeah. Well, you know, you know, 589 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:11,360 Speaker 1: it could be that it could be that he was 590 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,880 Speaker 1: administering the drugs and he was not able to admit 591 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:18,040 Speaker 1: to administer to specific people. So you know, he had 592 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 1: a few people that he really wanted to get the 593 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,799 Speaker 1: drug too, because you have wanted to steal their their 594 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 1: fortune or have sex with them or something, and so 595 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 1: all the other ones he would just say, Oh, you're 596 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 1: a trance, why don't you go out in the streets 597 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 1: and dance. I got some work to do. Yeah, yeah, 598 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:37,440 Speaker 1: totally fair. Yeah, well, if you want to see the 599 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:42,960 Speaker 1: links from this episode, good luck. You got a dancer. 600 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:47,959 Speaker 1: Way to our weapon. Dancing is absolutely required. I feel 601 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,480 Speaker 1: like this is the opposite of the City of Beaumont 602 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 1: from Footloose, That's what this is the opposite of that. 603 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,880 Speaker 1: So dance your way over to our website, Thinking Sideways 604 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,439 Speaker 1: podcast dot com. You can listen to our podcast there 605 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,759 Speaker 1: of course. Um, you can leave us a comment if 606 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 1: you want there as well. Uh, you can also listen 607 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 1: to us on iTunes, where you should definitely leave us 608 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:19,280 Speaker 1: a comment in a rating. We're loving those They're awesome, awesome, awesome, awesome. 609 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,759 Speaker 1: You can also, if you forget to download the episode 610 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,799 Speaker 1: before you leave, stream it through Stitcher on any of 611 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,920 Speaker 1: your mobile devices. If you want to join the conversation, 612 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,760 Speaker 1: check our Facebook group out. There's been some really interesting 613 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,440 Speaker 1: conversations happening there. There's been some fun stuff on. Yeah. 614 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:36,960 Speaker 1: You can always send us an email at Thinking Sideways 615 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:41,360 Speaker 1: Podcast at gmail dot com. And speaking of our email, 616 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:43,799 Speaker 1: I think we have some listener mail tonight. We got 617 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:47,080 Speaker 1: a couple, oh, a couple. Well, you should probably read 618 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,680 Speaker 1: the first one because you'll really like the first one. 619 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:54,120 Speaker 1: Oh I will, Yes, Okay, this one is from Ali Miles, 620 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:59,360 Speaker 1: who's from the United Kingdom. I'm sorry for doing that 621 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:04,040 Speaker 1: weird accent. Cheerio says high Folks. Just wanted to say 622 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,759 Speaker 1: I really enjoy your podcast. Not quite sure how I 623 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,080 Speaker 1: found it how it found its way to me here 624 00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,440 Speaker 1: in whole England, but I think it was when I 625 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,799 Speaker 1: was trying to find out about the Isadel Woman a 626 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:19,719 Speaker 1: few months back. Oh, yeah, the Isel. That's yeah, I 627 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,520 Speaker 1: say things right all the time. We have great pronunciation 628 00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:26,920 Speaker 1: on this show evidently today. Yeah, I'm really into historical mystery, 629 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,000 Speaker 1: so I downloaded quite a few of your shows. It's 630 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,720 Speaker 1: really good stuff, in particular, like the Tom and Shrewd 631 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:38,279 Speaker 1: and lead Mask episodes. I told you, yeah, my episode. 632 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,680 Speaker 1: What about my episodes? Well, he listened to the one 633 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:46,040 Speaker 1: the Isdell Woman, and then he has a suggestion of 634 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,080 Speaker 1: a show like almost everybody does. It's awesome and I'm 635 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,160 Speaker 1: actually really excited about this. I'm gonna try and jump 636 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,040 Speaker 1: on this pretty quick here, which is funny because I 637 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,759 Speaker 1: told him that you would probably be all over that 638 00:37:55,760 --> 00:38:00,640 Speaker 1: one German words in it. Yeah, lot it actually is 639 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 1: all in German, so we're going to do an all 640 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:08,560 Speaker 1: German podcast. So yeah, thanks for the email. Ali that 641 00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,080 Speaker 1: we have one more, which this isn't something that we 642 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,279 Speaker 1: normally do, but I really like this because this was 643 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,799 Speaker 1: a really cool thing to do. Is we got a 644 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:24,440 Speaker 1: email from Ormand and Ormand evidently listened to a show 645 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,920 Speaker 1: that had just come out. We had released the episode 646 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,239 Speaker 1: about the Nazi Bell. Yeah. If you guys don't know, 647 00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,839 Speaker 1: we prerecord these. Yeah, so so this is a we're 648 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,360 Speaker 1: a little bit ahead when we're doing this show today. 649 00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:39,520 Speaker 1: And so Ormando listen and said, hey, that reminds we 650 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:43,440 Speaker 1: have another story and sent us a link to another 651 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,680 Speaker 1: story which I don't know if either of you, I 652 00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,560 Speaker 1: didn't know about this. I came across you know, I 653 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,719 Speaker 1: saw that one. It was it was I don't know 654 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:55,280 Speaker 1: how I came across that investigating the Nazi Bell story, 655 00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:57,600 Speaker 1: but that was. This one was definitely one that I 656 00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:01,399 Speaker 1: checked out, and it's the Kecksberg you Fo incident. Yeah, 657 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,480 Speaker 1: would you you kind of know the story? What I mean, 658 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,359 Speaker 1: let's just talk about it briefly because it's a great 659 00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,360 Speaker 1: follow up to the Nazi Bell. Yeah. Yeah, So the 660 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:13,680 Speaker 1: Hexburg UFO incident. I didn't include it in the Nazi 661 00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:17,680 Speaker 1: Bell because it's like, even though it's slightly Nazi bell shaped, 662 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,680 Speaker 1: it's like, it doesn't appear to be related to the 663 00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:22,839 Speaker 1: Nazi bell. But but this was a UFO that crash 664 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:28,040 Speaker 1: in n in Pennsylvania, and uh, it reportedly lots of 665 00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,840 Speaker 1: people saw the fireball and a cross sonic booms and 666 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,279 Speaker 1: stuff like that, and it dropped fire as it went 667 00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,440 Speaker 1: and caused fires. Are yeah, yeah, and it winds up 668 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:40,560 Speaker 1: in this patch of woods in Pennsylvania somewhere. And then, uh, 669 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:42,200 Speaker 1: some of the locals that went out and found it 670 00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:45,560 Speaker 1: and saw it, and they reported this this acorn shaped object, 671 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,840 Speaker 1: which is kind of sort of it don't look like 672 00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,560 Speaker 1: that sort of a little bit like the Nazi bell, 673 00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,560 Speaker 1: and it's got what appears to be hieroglyphics around the 674 00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:58,279 Speaker 1: outside of it at the bottom. And but apparently it's 675 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,480 Speaker 1: this usual thing, you know, like the little him came 676 00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,160 Speaker 1: in and sealed off the area and then black you know, yeah, 677 00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:09,359 Speaker 1: and trucked it away. But nothing to see here, folks. Yeah. Yeah. 678 00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,440 Speaker 1: So even though yeah, some people have tried to connect 679 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,200 Speaker 1: us with the Nazi Bell, I don't think they're related, 680 00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:18,200 Speaker 1: but it's kind of a it's a cool, quirky, weird story. Yeah, 681 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:20,960 Speaker 1: it is an interesting little story. I like it too, 682 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,480 Speaker 1: it's just not it's just not Nazi bell like quite 683 00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,120 Speaker 1: enough to conclude with the Nazi. But I did like 684 00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,040 Speaker 1: how quick he was on the draw. He was he 685 00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,520 Speaker 1: knew exactly what it made him think of. And you 686 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,600 Speaker 1: shot that email right over, which I love. I think 687 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,960 Speaker 1: that's awesome. Man. If people hear things in shows and 688 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,719 Speaker 1: it makes you think of something, by all means tell us, 689 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:44,719 Speaker 1: because it's hard to catch every related thread, and I mean, 690 00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:46,359 Speaker 1: we worked really hard at it, but you just can't 691 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,239 Speaker 1: always find him. Now we've got we've got a huge 692 00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:52,000 Speaker 1: office full of interns who are checking out. And you 693 00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:58,160 Speaker 1: know that your cats are not interns. They type, and 694 00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:02,960 Speaker 1: by type, I mean walk across your documents. Very good 695 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:09,919 Speaker 1: at that. Yeah, at yah, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'll 696 00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:13,440 Speaker 1: have anyone is an intern. Yeah. Yeah, So anyway, now, 697 00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,440 Speaker 1: but I did do my due diligence in that story, 698 00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,879 Speaker 1: and I did see the CAx spurg Ufo incident, but 699 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,560 Speaker 1: I'm still not sure they related. But still thanks for 700 00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,560 Speaker 1: the link, because it is an interesting little story. Who 701 00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:28,120 Speaker 1: who knows. Maybe we'll talk about it someday. I guess 702 00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:32,239 Speaker 1: with that we're out of here. I guess it is 703 00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,319 Speaker 1: that time. It's a quick time, but it's that time. 704 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:39,240 Speaker 1: So anyway, that's it for us. So dance, dance, everybody 705 00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:41,600 Speaker 1: will be on out of here. Yeah, rock on, boys 706 00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:57,040 Speaker 1: and girls, great good music to this guy.