1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio Happy Friday. I'm Tracy Vie Wilson, 3 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 1: and I'm Holly Fry. One of our podcasts this week 4 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:19,920 Speaker 1: was on the Delano grape strike and I just remembered 5 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:22,960 Speaker 1: something I meant to say in the episode. Well, then 6 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: it's good we have this. Yeah. So, there used to 7 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 1: be a podcast called This Day in History Class that 8 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:33,840 Speaker 1: I used to be on, UH, and one of our episodes, 9 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: UM was for the day that the Delano grape strikes started, 10 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: and UM one of our colleagues, Christopher Hasiotas, had done 11 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: some background research on that for me, and of course 12 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: that UH became like step one and the much larger 13 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: researching of this episode, because This Day in History Class 14 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: was five minutes long and Stuff You Missed in History 15 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: Class is much longer than that. But I had meant 16 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:06,119 Speaker 1: to I had meant to acknowledge his contribution UM in 17 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: in the actual episode, and I just I it slipped 18 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 1: my mind because I didn't write it down. I'm glad 19 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 1: I'm not the only person who has to write it 20 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: all down or it all goes away. I have to 21 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: write absolutely all of it down, UM and then sometimes 22 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: later I will find these cryptic notes where I'm like, 23 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:29,320 Speaker 1: what was that even about? I? Um even on like 24 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: I keep what's kind of like, ummmmm, it's people always 25 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: go always at a bullet journal, and it has some 26 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 1: of the same concepts, but it's not really that Like 27 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 1: it's literally just like a notebook where stuff is shifting 28 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: day to day, like to the next day if I 29 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: don't get it done or whatever. But there will be 30 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: times where I look at one of my two dues 31 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: and I'm just like, I don't know what this means anymore. 32 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: Like I have scrolled down something that says like tell 33 00:01:56,440 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: marketing cadavers, and I don't remember what that is. Wow, 34 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: that's very cryptic. I actually I think I know what 35 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: it is now. But there was a moment yesterday where 36 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 1: I looked at that on my list and went, what 37 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 1: is that? Um? I was having a little computer issue 38 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 1: this morning, and as I was like waiting for it 39 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:20,119 Speaker 1: to clear itself up, I was just sort of gazing 40 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: at what's saved on my desktop and I realized there's 41 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 1: a file saved on there that says to do while 42 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: in Atlanta, And who knows how old that document is 43 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: at this point, um, because like, when is the last 44 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: time I was in Atlanta? Probably a year ago at 45 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 1: this point, almost because of a pandemic. It was because 46 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 1: it was August. Oh yeah, because I don't know if 47 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 1: you remember. You said something about how everything had changed, 48 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:48,119 Speaker 1: and I said, well, you haven't been here for a year, 49 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: and you said that's not true. And I looked at it, 50 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:51,959 Speaker 1: but I was like, the last time you were here 51 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:57,359 Speaker 1: was August of eighteen, and you were like, oh my goodness, like, yeah, 52 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:00,959 Speaker 1: i've been because that would be two years. No, but 53 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: then this was last year we had thee I understand now, 54 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 1: so speaking of the pandemic that has kept me from 55 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:12,079 Speaker 1: visiting our Atlanta office ever. Um. I had had this 56 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 1: episode marked on my calendar to do approximately now four months. 57 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 1: Like I was like, you know, when the when the 58 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 1: anniversary of that comes up, that would be a great 59 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:24,640 Speaker 1: time to do it. It's been marked on the calendar 60 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: for all of that time. And then as it approached, 61 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:32,519 Speaker 1: I was like, and everything here feels particularly relevant because 62 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: the pandemic has highlighted so much how many of these 63 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: issues are still issues because they're like have been so 64 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: many headlines about the harvest needs to come in at 65 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: this farm and the entire workforce has covid um and 66 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: like just the people who are who are doing agricultural 67 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: labor like still not having the basic sanitation and protective 68 00:03:56,920 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: equipment needed as protection from this IRIS. And I was like, Wow, 69 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: that did not intend for there to be double relevance 70 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: with this episode when I earmarked it to go in 71 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: this part of the calendar so long ago. It's funny 72 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:17,280 Speaker 1: how that often works out. Yeah. Also, uh, we have 73 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: talked about all of the waves of of immigration that 74 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 1: we cover at the beginning of the episode, but just 75 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:28,919 Speaker 1: spelling it out altogether really highlighted for me what a 76 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: pattern it was of like, we need cheap labor, let's 77 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 1: bring in immigrant workers. We hate these immigrant workers though, 78 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: so we're gonna really discriminate against them and then ban them. 79 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: But now we still need cheap labor, so we got 80 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: to get some different immigrants. It's the and then start 81 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: the same cycle again of uh like discrimination leading ultimately 82 00:04:55,560 --> 00:05:00,679 Speaker 1: to exclusion. Yeah, it's very much like who is hoping 83 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:06,600 Speaker 1: to better their lives that we can exploit next. Yeah yeah, uh, 84 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: And I mean that's a pattern that we've talked about before, 85 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 1: but putting it all in one spot. I was like, ah, 86 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 1: this is not great. Yeah, well, because you watched the 87 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 1: cycle happen like in one industry over and over and over, 88 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: and you can't ever like at that point, by the 89 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: time you're on the third wave of that, there's no 90 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 1: getting around the fact that the people in charge making 91 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:33,719 Speaker 1: all the money, we're consciously doing it. Yeah. We also 92 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: mentioned but didn't go into detail about, um the just 93 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 1: coordinated effort by the state of California two eradicate its 94 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: indigenous population UM and like that was a multifaceted, intentional 95 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: effort UM and it is something that I feel like 96 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:57,599 Speaker 1: does not get talked about as much, at least where 97 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 1: where we live as thing was like the Indian Removal 98 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: Act UM. Like I grew up in North Carolina, so 99 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: we had a whole classroom unit about the trail of tears. 100 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 1: But I think for people who who don't live in 101 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: the Southwest, UM and are not indigenous, probably that aspect 102 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:18,599 Speaker 1: of California history is like not quite as familiar accurate. 103 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: So maybe after some time has passed, because again we 104 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:25,600 Speaker 1: don't want to make the entire calendar of our show 105 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 1: be uh incredibly difficult topics, UM, maybe we'll get into 106 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 1: something relevant to that. One of the things we talked 107 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:38,919 Speaker 1: about this week was Joshua Slocum and his solo voyage 108 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:43,160 Speaker 1: around the world, which we have had some listener requests 109 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: for over the years. I was going through the listener 110 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: request list yesterday trying to figure out what I was 111 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: going to do next, and I was like, oh, look, 112 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: here's some people who said Joshua Slocum, which we're just 113 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:54,600 Speaker 1: we're going to record that tomorrow. There were two things 114 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: that came up when I was working on this. One was, 115 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: as has been the case so many times lately, I 116 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: came into this saying, Okay, I have some criteria for 117 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 1: what I want to do for the next episode. Number One, 118 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 1: I need to do something fun. Number two not in 119 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: the nineteenth century. Number three not a man, because we've 120 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: just had a lot of dudes on the podcast lately, um. 121 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: And so I was just, you know, I wanted to 122 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: get a little away from that. And so then I 123 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: started going through my phone where I had kept up 124 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: um with ideas I had stumbled across while out in 125 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: the world back before we UH started instead staying home 126 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: because of the pandemic, and I just I had the 127 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 1: name of his book. I had Sailing Alone around the 128 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: World just written in a note on my phone, and 129 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: I googled that and then I was like, well, one 130 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 1: out of three, we get one out of three of 131 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: my criteria for this episode. Um. The other thing is like, 132 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: we've we've been pretty candid about the fact that the 133 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: pandemic has made us really mistravel and that was the 134 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: case for this episode for me too. But the thing 135 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 1: about this episode that made me miss traveling was not 136 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: the far off places or the long voyages. It was 137 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: all the places around coastal Massachusetts that I could go, 138 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 1: but I couldn't really do anything if I went there, 139 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: because he talks about like all these places on Cape 140 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: and like Gloucester and Rockport where I really love going, 141 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: and like other places that are on the coast, and 142 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: I was just like, man, those are all places that 143 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: I love to go and walk around and eat in 144 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:38,199 Speaker 1: restaurants and poke around in little shops, and all those 145 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 1: things are kind of off the table right now. We 146 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:43,959 Speaker 1: did coincidentally make a road trip to New Bedford while 147 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 1: I was working on this to take leftover kitten food 148 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 1: to someone that foster's kittens, but it was literally like 149 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 1: We got out of the car and everyone masked handed 150 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: over this kid food. We looked at the ocean for 151 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: a minute, and we came home again. Yeah my uh 152 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: my travel bug is starting to go a little bananas 153 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, Like I it's so silly, but everybody knows, 154 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: like I love some Disney time, and it's not news 155 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: this particular thing, but it really hit me suddenly, really 156 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: hard that Disney World Magic Kingdom is not doing Mickey's 157 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 1: Not So Scary Halloween Party this year, which is something 158 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: we do every year. We usually try to go to 159 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: two of the parties, Um and Halloween being my very favorite. 160 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: I don't know why, just as we're looking into the 161 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: fall and we're starting to you know, get yummy fun 162 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 1: HALLOWEENI and autumnal things marketed to us, I just had 163 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: that moment of oh, like a total party for myself. 164 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:52,439 Speaker 1: I recognized this is like the most privileged sadness a 165 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 1: human could experience. But I was just like, I just 166 00:09:55,480 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: want to get in the car and drive. Yeah. Um 167 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 1: that we we looked forward to this like trip to 168 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: New Bedford to drop off cat food like it was 169 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: a gigantic treat. And then I simultaneously was like, man, 170 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 1: I would kind of love to just wander around and 171 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 1: and eat some seafood in a restaurant. Um, which I 172 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: know there are restaurants that are open now, but like, 173 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 1: the choice that we're making in our household is to 174 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:33,559 Speaker 1: minimize our contact with other people. Still same um. Anyway, 175 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:38,679 Speaker 1: Joshua Slucum is so interesting and so complicated at the 176 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: same time, of course, and I would not have been like, 177 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 1: this is gonna be fun had I known before the 178 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 1: tail end of the research process about the exposing himself 179 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 1: to a twelve year old right that like that, had 180 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 1: I probably would have been like, oh, we're just not 181 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 1: We're gonna pick something that's not going to involve that 182 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 1: conversation today. Uh, But it was too late, too late 183 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 1: by the time I discovered that part of the story. Yeah, 184 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: I mean, look, it comes up all the time. There's 185 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: no human is uncomplicated. No, it's every human has probably 186 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 1: been disappointing at some point in their trajectory, and it's 187 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 1: good to remember that it is for a variety of reasons. Yeah. 188 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 1: I also wish we knew more about Jenny ah Me too, 189 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 1: because Jenny seems great, she seems amazing. Yeah, I love it, 190 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:45,959 Speaker 1: I love it. Stuff you Missed in History Class is 191 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:49,199 Speaker 1: a production of I heart Radio. For more podcasts from 192 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:52,559 Speaker 1: I heart Radio, visit the i heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, 193 00:11:52,720 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.