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Speaker 1: the start of our podcast. Hi everybody, and welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Renee Stubs Tennis Podcast. I am, of course with

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Speaker 1: the Australian accent. Yes, i am Renee Stubbs, and I'm

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Speaker 1: joined by the very American accent slash Canadian slash I

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Speaker 1: don't even know. Sometimes it's Chinese, sometimes it's Spanish. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: it's French. When she gets drunk, it is definitely French

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Speaker 1: here French, yes, exactly. Time for the check people. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So what a week of tennis we have had. But

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Speaker 1: as you all have now learned to love and embrace

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Speaker 1: about me, I watched my beloved New York Liberty when

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Speaker 1: the second game of the WNBA Finals yesterday, and yes,

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Speaker 1: I hope I'm converting some of you. Yes, of course,

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Speaker 1: tennis is my first love, but basketball, particularly the WNBA

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Speaker 1: is really starting to be my first love when there's

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Speaker 1: no Grand Slams going on. And I sat next to

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Speaker 1: your wife, Claire Caitlin yesterday in the victorious victory victory

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Speaker 1: of game two after Game one when sadly my liberty

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Speaker 1: just blew an eighteen point lead, eleven point lead with

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Speaker 1: three minutes to go. Arguably one of the greatest players

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Speaker 1: in the world, Brianna Stewart missed a free throw with

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Speaker 1: point six seconds left on the game. I can't imagine

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Speaker 1: she ruminated over that for twenty No thirty six hours,

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Speaker 1: no forty eight hours. How many hours are in the day.

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Speaker 1: But you know what, champions, as Billy Jean King says,

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Speaker 1: a just and pressure is a privilege. And she came

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Speaker 1: back yesterday Brown and Stewart and played a friggin great

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Speaker 1: game with her sidekick Benija Laney, who also had a

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Speaker 1: great game after having such a tough year this year

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Speaker 1: So this is a team of fortitude. So I guess

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Speaker 1: who's getting on a plane to Minnesota.

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Speaker 2: You're doing it? Hell yeah, hell yeah. I think at

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Speaker 2: this point the team needs me, need you.

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Speaker 2: Claire was describing the rituals that you guys go through,

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Speaker 2: and I was like, Claire, I think you might have

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Speaker 2: become part of Renee's ritual of this experience, the high fives,

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Speaker 2: talking to the players, talking to the coach getting involved,

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Speaker 2: watching the warm ups, and I do think, you know,

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Speaker 2: even for people like me who do not care about basketball,

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Speaker 2: there is something amazing to be said about watching other sports,

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Speaker 2: watching the commonalities of pressure being a privilege, of champions adjusting,

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Speaker 2: of shaking off an overtime loss that you were brutal

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Speaker 2: when I watch other sports, especially sports I'm not interested in,

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Speaker 2: And it's usually the people, the human the experience, the

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Speaker 2: that's what I look for in something that I you know,

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Speaker 2: we're all just trying to connect, right And I think,

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Speaker 2: you know, I couldn't curly. I was trying to participate

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Speaker 2: They were like, you're They're like, no, you are the

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Speaker 1: Don't know, you guys put me on this possible I

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Speaker 1: don't know You're I don't want to be here.

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Speaker 2: I want to be that.

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Speaker 1: what it feels like to choke. We've all done it.

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Speaker 1: You know, I had to take all of that on myself.

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Speaker 2: So it's like, you know, I do think it's fair

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Speaker 2: You're doing You shouldn't talk about anybody unless you're doing something.

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Speaker 1: Yeah all right, so let's get to the tennis. What

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Speaker 1: I've got a few things to talk about, as you

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Speaker 2: you know, fair enough for mental health issues. And somebody

430
00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:06,639
Speaker 2: was like, well, yeah, she's like the Naomio Saka of

431
00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:08,720
Speaker 2: pop music, and I was kind.

432
00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:11,600
Speaker 1: Of like, you know, you're not wrong, that's not wrong.

433
00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:14,399
Speaker 2: Like I get both sides of that, where it's like, well,

434
00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:16,160
Speaker 2: this is a job and this is kind of part

435
00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:17,879
Speaker 2: of it. But on the other hand, like no, nobody

436
00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:19,960
Speaker 2: wants to walk, you know, watch you walk into traffic

437
00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:21,720
Speaker 2: because you're having such a hard time being Yeah good.

438
00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:23,480
Speaker 1: It's the same as what we were talking about before,

439
00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:26,480
Speaker 1: like if someone says I need to step away, then

440
00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:28,960
Speaker 1: let them step away. We've got way too many people

441
00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:30,359
Speaker 1: that are sad in this world.

442
00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:32,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I just need to add on to it.

443
00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,240
Speaker 2: I certainly don't want to watch somebody out there miserable.

444
00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:35,760
Speaker 2: And I think for me, the main point I was

445
00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,720
Speaker 2: making about Novac is he looks happy playing, even if

446
00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:40,480
Speaker 2: he's not having the results. And I really am happy

447
00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:42,160
Speaker 2: that he got the gold medal. And I think if

448
00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,000
Speaker 2: this is one of the last seasons we're watching him.

449
00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:45,320
Speaker 1: Play and appreciate it.

450
00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:46,560
Speaker 2: I'm appreciating it.

451
00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:49,600
Speaker 1: As we're losing the great spot, we're moving them, they're dropping, Like,

452
00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:53,560
Speaker 1: oh I cried watching that video. You cried, God I did.

453
00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:55,399
Speaker 1: I was just like from the beginning, because I just

454
00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:57,600
Speaker 1: felt it in his heart that he wants to keep going.

455
00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:00,000
Speaker 1: You know, it's like Andy Murray made a great comment

456
00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,720
Speaker 1: when someone said, you know about quitting and now retireing.

457
00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,720
Speaker 1: He said, man, he goes, and I love Andy so much,

458
00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:09,040
Speaker 1: and he said, I want to play forever. I want

459
00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:12,879
Speaker 1: to play this sport forever. And I was like, oh god,

460
00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,720
Speaker 1: you know, he said, but I just I can't anymore,

461
00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:19,160
Speaker 1: you know, physically, and father time catches up with anyone.

462
00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,760
Speaker 1: And when you love a sport as much as Ruffer

463
00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:26,080
Speaker 1: and Andy and Novak and Roger, I mean Roger's same thing, right,

464
00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:28,720
Speaker 1: I mean we saw the tears from him, the serenas like,

465
00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,040
Speaker 1: it's really hard when you love it that much. When

466
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Speaker 1: you've got someone like Steffi Graff, who retired at twenty nine,

467
00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:38,119
Speaker 1: basically before her I think before she was even thirty.

468
00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:42,480
Speaker 1: She didn't really love it. She loved playing, the competing,

469
00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:44,960
Speaker 1: but everything that goes along with it was not really.

470
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Speaker 2: Her change Di's she ever had any regrets?

471
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Speaker 1: I don't think so. Steffi's that type of person that

472
00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:51,760
Speaker 1: doesn't have a regrets. She turns, she turns the page

473
00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,280
Speaker 1: and moves on. Yeah, she wanted to have a family,

474
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Speaker 1: want to have kids, and now her daughter just turned

475
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Speaker 1: twenty one. She texted we were texting the other day

476
00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:00,800
Speaker 1: and I was like, wait what because I was in

477
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,040
Speaker 1: Vegas at the same time, because I went to watch

478
00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:07,080
Speaker 1: my Liberty beat the Aces. And she's like, yeah, Jazz

479
00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,960
Speaker 1: is having your twenty first birthday to night. Yeah she's

480
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,399
Speaker 1: twenty one. Oh my god. I felt so old in

481
00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:16,400
Speaker 1: that moment. But anyway, anyway, Sinner, after considering what he's

482
00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 1: going through still with this wider shit about you know,

483
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:23,840
Speaker 1: his uh the suspension and no suspension, he's handling this

484
00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:27,040
Speaker 1: moment pretty damn well. And so I give him so

485
00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:27,520
Speaker 1: much credit.

486
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:28,960
Speaker 2: And do we do? We need to try?

487
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:32,119
Speaker 1: And also can we add that Novak's old fitness trainer

488
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:34,960
Speaker 1: is now Sinner's fitness trainer.

489
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:36,160
Speaker 2: It's a merry go round.

490
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,639
Speaker 1: And I can only imagine because he was let go

491
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:42,760
Speaker 1: by Novak. I believe he's sitting there going it's.

492
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:44,000
Speaker 2: A real whim for set moment.

493
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 1: Couldn't couldn't keep me on? Huh, you know, look at

494
00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:47,800
Speaker 1: you now exactly.

495
00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,959
Speaker 2: It's a it's a whim for set moment with you know,

496
00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 2: him jumping from chinuenda or a paraiba moment.

497
00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:57,680
Speaker 1: Yea, where it's like were you watching? I was watching

498
00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,639
Speaker 1: the match with Sablanca and Ginuin. I was just like,

499
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,199
Speaker 1: you know when said to sit there, like, damn, I

500
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 1: just left a million dollars on the table.

501
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,160
Speaker 2: What an idiot's like when you go in the wrong line.

502
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 2: It's security. You're like.

503
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 1: Family of seven in front of me with their sixteen bags.

504
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 2: They've never been to the airport bottles and.

505
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,240
Speaker 1: Do I take my shoes off? Yes, you're in the

506
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 1: TSA line. Oh take your shoes off? Okay, so great.

507
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit about Coco Sabalanca before we

508
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,679
Speaker 1: get to Sabalanca. Chin win. Oh my god. Nineteen double faults.

509
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 2: What a great Let's let's start with the positive. What

510
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 2: a great start to the match.

511
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 1: The match was you check out those double faults. Yeah,

512
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:46,680
Speaker 1: it was such high quality tennis.

513
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,439
Speaker 2: Yes, Coco is playing high quality tennis. Coco is playing

514
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,159
Speaker 2: so well, going out blazing six to one on that

515
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 2: first set, just looking locked in and I was like, well,

516
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 2: here she is here, all right, miss.

517
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 1: A Maria, she's back.

518
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:01,720
Speaker 2: She's back baby.

519
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,199
Speaker 1: And then and then gets up a break in the

520
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 1: second and you saw it. I think it was four

521
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,439
Speaker 1: to three. The first point was a double fault, and

522
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:10,880
Speaker 1: it was a shocking double fault.

523
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 2: Shocking, that's what look, you're going for your serve, you

524
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 2: hit it, you know, yeah, okay, But what was notable

525
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,679
Speaker 2: about it is that we all knew she knew. That

526
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:23,439
Speaker 2: was sort of what was sad about it, because it

527
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,399
Speaker 2: was such a it just tittle mind dragged her into

528
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:30,360
Speaker 2: a different headspace. And I think that is if I'm

529
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 2: the coach, Yes, of course mechanics for whatever's happening, as

530
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:38,439
Speaker 2: we've talked about, but also the mental space of being like, okay,

531
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,199
Speaker 2: when that happens, what are we doing kind of like

532
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 2: what we're talking about with basketball, right, what are we

533
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,919
Speaker 2: doing to just what are we doing to reset? What

534
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 2: are we doing to get past that moment so that

535
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 2: you can come out and win game two of your

536
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 2: series if you're Brianna Stewart, or get back to the

537
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,359
Speaker 2: line after you've just hit a horrific double fault that

538
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 2: you've seen and everybody seen in China, nation of billions

539
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,119
Speaker 2: of people, and just reset and actually it never happened before.

540
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 2: But that's not what happened. So what does what should

541
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,879
Speaker 2: she have done? What could have been coached into her?

542
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 1: Well, I think in those moments, you know, if I

543
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 1: was in her coaching box prior to the match, or

544
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,639
Speaker 1: any time, not necessarily prior to the match, but just

545
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 1: get this in her head during practice is when you know,

546
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 1: and you know as a player. I knew as a

547
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 1: player I used to get a little yippye on my

548
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 1: serf from time to time. You just know it. So

549
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 1: you've got to in practice put them into the mindset. Right.

550
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,680
Speaker 1: So I would say, Okay, a set, you just broke

551
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 1: four to three, serving for the match, serving for the tournament,

552
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,119
Speaker 1: serving to If you hold serve, you win the tournament

553
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 1: or win the match. I would say that right as

554
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:48,640
Speaker 1: she was about to serve, Okay, four to three, first point.

555
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:53,399
Speaker 1: So you you automatically, Ugh, you automatically, even in practice,

556
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 1: get a little bit nervous because you suddenly put yourself

557
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,239
Speaker 1: into that mindset. So I would say, because I used

558
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 1: to do this with Sam, Because Sam there was a

559
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 1: period of time in the last couple of years of

560
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 1: her career where she was really struggling on her own

561
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 1: serve to get the serve in the court. This is

562
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: one of the greatest servers of all times.

563
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 2: Sam had such a great server, so much margin too

564
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:12,400
Speaker 2: with a kick.

565
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 1: But she had and she will admit she had a

566
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 1: little bit of a yip problem with the ball toss

567
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 1: as well, and she started hitting on the right side

568
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 1: of the ball and not underneath it like her perfect

569
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 1: amazing kickserve that she always had, And so it became

570
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 1: a mental problem, you know, And so we talked about

571
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,200
Speaker 1: and so I would yell that thing. Not yell it

572
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 1: to her, but I would be like, as she's about

573
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: to hit a serve, you know, in practice, I go

574
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 1: thirty forty, break point down four, all on the third,

575
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, you quickly go there. It's

576
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 1: the only thing you can do to emulate what's going

577
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,439
Speaker 1: to happen on the court or put them in that

578
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 1: position on it.

579
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,159
Speaker 2: And as a player, you really do have to. You

580
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,640
Speaker 2: have to you visualize it. You have to visualize, ye, right.

581
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,919
Speaker 1: So I would say do it in practice, put her

582
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 1: in that moment in the practice, and then also say,

583
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: if this starts happening, okay, because when she gets the

584
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 1: first serve in, it's still a just humongous serve and

585
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 1: winning a lot of points to the first serve. But babe,

586
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: if you're not getting the first serve in, and you know, now,

587
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you started getting very tight on

588
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 1: the second serve because you know it yourself. I would say,

589
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 1: take some off, take some off the first serve, get

590
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 1: it in and get it in, because the last thing

591
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,400
Speaker 1: you can afford now is to give three points away.

592
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 1: And also your second serve is so average. Even when

593
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,479
Speaker 1: you get it in, Sabolenka is smashing it.

594
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 2: She's taking two feet forward towards the service.

595
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 1: Notice that your opponent is standing still five feet behind

596
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: the baseline right, so they're not going to technically attack

597
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 1: it as easily off on it. So the first point

598
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: of those games, when you're starting to shit yourself, you

599
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 1: got to get the first serve in the court. I

600
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 1: don't care if it's eighty miles an hour, get it in.

601
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 1: Because Coco was winning the rallies from the back of

602
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 1: the court when the point was getting started, she was

603
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 1: the better player. She was frustrating Sabalanka. She was using

604
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 1: her athleticism around the court to get one more ball

605
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 1: back in the court. She was hitting her forehand well,

606
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 1: her back end is always as unbelievable as any I've

607
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 1: ever seen. So you are winning the rally from the

608
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: back of the court, So don't try and win the

609
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 1: point with the big first serve because your only vulnerability

610
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 1: is your second serve, So just get your first in

611
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,679
Speaker 1: the court. Now. If you hit seventy, if you hit

612
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 1: a ninety mile an hour first serve in and she

613
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,719
Speaker 1: crushes it, okay. And you hit another ninety mile an

614
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,360
Speaker 1: hour and she crushes it and you lose a point,

615
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,360
Speaker 1: you go, Okay, I gotta go for a little more.

616
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:31,239
Speaker 1: Adjust to them being more aggressive and better than you

617
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 1: at that moment rather than you freebie giving them points.

618
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, because the message that Seblanca gets who's in an

619
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 2: attacking mentality anyway, always, which is why she's so fun

620
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 2: to watch the second she sniffs yeah with vulnerability, she's.

621
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: A guess who knows more than her how that feels.

622
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 2: Totally, which is truly There's so many positives that I

623
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 2: constantly think about when I watch Arenasablanca play, But the

624
00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 2: biggest one for me is just the current because it's

625
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 2: not fearlessness, the courage that it takes to in spite

626
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 2: of fear, especially on that you know, twenty month journey

627
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 2: she went on with her own serf. The courage it

628
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 2: takes to be afraid of doing what had happened and

629
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 2: happened to Coco during this match of hitting double digit

630
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 2: double faults inly loss of the match, a stadium of people,

631
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 2: and the courage to change it and to keep trying

632
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 2: it and to do better and to adjust her mentality,

633
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 2: like she worked her way through a very deep fear.

634
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 2: It was like exposure therapy. It's like you're afraid of

635
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 2: turbulence on a plane, so you're just going to go

636
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 2: take a bunch of like plane rides through hurricanes. And

637
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 2: then that's odd, that's bossy suggest that I wouldn't do it.

638
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 2: But I'm just saying, I think nobody knows more about

639
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 2: the specter of.

640
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 1: Unless you're on those hurricane planes. I saw video of

641
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: it with that tragedy that was happening down in North

642
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: Carolina in Florida, and they were on that hurricane plane

643
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,719
Speaker 1: and they're they're not just like fun. Yeah, it's like

644
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 1: a it's like the roads right now in New York.

645
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 1: You know that they're redoing them. So if you're ever

646
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 1: on a city bike driving down the riding on one.

647
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 2: Of those right getting here this morning with those.

648
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: Hurricane planes and they were like flying up and I'm like, God, man,

649
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 1: God who chooses that as a profession Anyway? Back to you.

650
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 2: You gotta love it. But I do think like the

651
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 2: second that she sniff's weakness is when Arena Sabeleca is

652
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 2: gonna step in there and crush it, and.

653
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 1: That's a great white shot.

654
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 2: She's a great white chirk. And that the match was turned. Yeah,

655
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 2: the match turned.

656
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 1: You could see it too, because she was like, Oh,

657
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 1: been there, honey, in there. I've done nineteen double faults

658
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 1: in a match myself.

659
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 2: Yep.

660
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: And so when she even talked about it in the postmatch,

661
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 1: she's like, you know, I've been there, I know what

662
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: it feels like. And once she gets that out of

663
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: her system or figures a way to get the serve

664
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 1: in the court, she's going to be the best player

665
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 1: in the world.

666
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

667
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I thought that was really that was generous.

668
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: If I'm Coco, I'm like, oh damn, okay. Yeah. If

669
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: if this player who's arguably the best playing in the

670
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 1: world right now thinks that about me and it's been

671
00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: in the same place as me, has been in that

672
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 1: same place.

673
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought that was an extraordinarily generous way.

674
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: That was a really great moment in sports for being

675
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: a generous opponent and a generous victor. For sable Anca.

676
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: So but man, that's the thing I would tell it. Look,

677
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: it's going to happen until it doesn't. It's going to

678
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: keep happening. So let's work on it in practice. And

679
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: then when you start to get that feeling, you have

680
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 1: to understand you're winning the points from the back of

681
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 1: the court. Now I would have said that to us

682
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 1: from the sideline. Yeah, look at the positives are winning

683
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: the points from the rallies, So just get the serve

684
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: in the court.

685
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 2: One thing I will say, because the last time we

686
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 2: spoke about Coco, it was about the forehand as well

687
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 2: as the serb, and I will say the forehand looked.

688
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: Look great, great, great.

689
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 2: So it feels like that rehabilitation is in progress, like

690
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 2: it is working, her team is tackling it, and she

691
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 2: sees simultaneously that a stroke can be in season in

692
00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 2: the middle of a tournament, you know intense period can

693
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,479
Speaker 2: go from a you know, absolute weakness to neutral too.

694
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 2: I would say, even right now, it's oh, it's very good,

695
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 2: it's above average into weapon territory. So like that's great,

696
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 2: and I feel like that should give her a lot

697
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 2: of confidence. And I really I just want to call

698
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 2: out like one thing I like so much about the

699
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 2: WT Tour for the most part. I mean, obviously you

700
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 2: have your like outliers, like you know, Camilla Georgie, who

701
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 2: seems to be on the run from tax authorities, who's

702
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 2: like I don't watch tennis women tennis, you know, like

703
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 2: sometimes they're not always nice to each other. But I

704
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 2: will say, like at the top of the game, we

705
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 2: have such a delightful, like truly good mix onto sport.

706
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 2: Yeah the sportsman, what sports women? Billy would say, sportsmen,

707
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 2: thank you, thank you well but well so so credit

708
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 2: to Someding like it for being such a generous person.

709
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 2: Not only that, but also in her speech after winning

710
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 2: the tournament to Chinwan Jung, who lost in front of

711
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 2: a crowd of hometown.

712
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: Okay, diehard, Well do we want to talk about the final.

713
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 2: In a great match? Yeah? I do. I love the match.

714
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: Tiki Techi, Tiki teki, Dicky techie shit on that final. Well,

715
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 1: First of all, I have played in front of fans

716
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 1: in China and they allowed and very high pitched.

717
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 2: There's a lot of screaming in right, And I will

718
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 2: say I have lived in Beijing amongst the mainland Chinese.

719
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're aggressive.

720
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 2: I say they are aggressive, but as a language, it's

721
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 2: a shouty one.

722
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: So it's hilarious.

723
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 2: Well, it just doesn't. It's not a language that has

724
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 2: a lot of I mean, it's awesome, it's it's a

725
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 2: really eat eat in a way easy language to learn.

726
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 2: There's no verb conjugations, and it's everything's direct. It's like

727
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 2: you yesterday, eat you tomorrow, eat you now, eat like

728
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 2: everyone's just you're just always. It's declarative, right, And I

729
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 2: feel like that kind of gives you some insight into

730
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 2: the way that.

731
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: Can you say that in Chinese? You eat me?

732
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 2: Sure get yourue shansei?

733
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 1: Okay, got it?

734
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 2: Yeah?

735
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: Thanks? Jing Chin attacked, will eat? I didn't eat much

736
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: this morning, but.

737
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 2: But it is sort of an attack. It's like you

738
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 2: eat right now? Yeah, you know, got it? Well, So

739
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 2: that maybe explained some of the mentality of like we're

740
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 2: just going to scream in unison. Yeah, even if it's

741
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:12,240
Speaker 2: positive and we're happy, it feels like you are under attack.

742
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 1: Sabalanca handle that final. She really did, Oh my god,

743
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 1: I mean, going through that Coco final the US Open,

744
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,240
Speaker 1: I think has made her such a tougher player because

745
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 1: she learned so much about dealing with the fans, dealing

746
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 1: with adversity, dealing with noise, dealing with I mean she

747
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,280
Speaker 1: took a video immediately after the match and started filming

748
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: the crowd and started going, yes, keep going, yeah, she's

749
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: just an anomaly in it. I mean it's classic. But

750
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: the tennis Sabalanca played way too good in the first set,

751
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 1: she overwhelmed. I think chin Wuen was a little bit

752
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 1: for sure, was nervous going to that final. It's yeah,

753
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: She's played the Austrain Open Final, She's played some big matches.

754
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 1: Of course, the gold medal has made her a better

755
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 1: player in all aspects, but playing in front of your

756
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 1: home crowd, that was an enormous moment for her to

757
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:02,879
Speaker 1: walk out there.

758
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 2: Yes, playing in front of the home crowd as a

759
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 2: gold medalist, gold medalist, as their star, as the person

760
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 2: greasing the cover of boog China right now, Like there's

761
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 2: a different level of stardom that maybe even Lena achieved. That.

762
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that, you know, chin Wen has the

763
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 2: same Grand Slam title count as Lena, or she doesn't,

764
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:22,840
Speaker 2: because she doesn't.

765
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:24,479
Speaker 1: I mean she's saying the gold medal and that means

766
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 1: more to that, and it might need more to them.

767
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 2: So I do think like the amount of stuff on

768
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 2: her shoulders, even if you couldn't call her the favorite

769
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 2: in that match, nobody would. She for a nationalistic audience,

770
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:40,399
Speaker 2: was under a lot of pressure, yeah, pressure.

771
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 1: So you know, and she'd never want a set against

772
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,359
Speaker 1: sabal Anka. So for her to come back and win

773
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 1: that second set, I mean, there was some unbelievably dramatic

774
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: moments in that second set, and then it went to

775
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: the third, and the first game of the third was

776
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 1: so pivotal, yeah, because it went back and forth and

777
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 1: back and forth, and finally Arena played some unbelievably like

778
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: not only aggressive tennis, but gutsy tennis, like she got

779
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 1: some bald back and ended up winning that game and

780
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 1: then got up three love, and then it was a

781
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 1: bit of a wobble, and then the crowd started getting

782
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 1: so loud and so into it, and Arena was just like,

783
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: oh my god, why didn't I put this away?

784
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 2: You know?

785
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: And then it got more and more aggressive, and then

786
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 1: I don't know what chin When was thinking when she

787
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,720
Speaker 1: ran back and started yelling at the linesman, like what's

788
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 1: the umpire doing? Like honestly, He's like he was in

789
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: the right position. He was. It was she he should

790
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: have said, you cannot yell at the lines person because

791
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: clearly she's yelling at the lines person in Chinese as well,

792
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 1: So we don't even understand. You would, but I.

793
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 2: Wouldn't unless it was a lot of cursing. I probably

794
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 2: wouldn't understand. I know my Chinese. Okay, lar is very specific,

795
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 2: oh to food and Chinese curse words. Oh well, you

796
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 2: could have understood because she dropped the curse words. I

797
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 2: can start and then the fate in Chinese. But I

798
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 2: don't know if they can have an interview. Yeah, I

799
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 2: don't know if I can have an intricate conversation about

800
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 2: the rules, for example.

801
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 1: Oh, okay, but but I'm sure she wasn't having a

802
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: real conversation with with the linesman and the umpire I

803
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 1: believe is French. But but she was so far away

804
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 1: from that line's person trying to get that ball back

805
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: in the court, and then she missed it, and then

806
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,320
Speaker 1: she turns around and she starts yelling at him. I'm like, dude,

807
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:18,399
Speaker 1: you weren't even close to him. Leave him alone. It's

808
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,879
Speaker 1: not the first time she's done this. Yeah, well then

809
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: also there was part time in a match, and I

810
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: know that I'm going to get so much hate. I

811
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: can feel it already, bring it on Twitter. But also

812
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 1: she told Sablenka had already hit a serve and she

813
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: and it was such a pivotal I think it was

814
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 1: three two in the third, thirty all. It was a

815
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 1: massive point and Arena went to hit a serve or

816
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 1: it was fifteen thirty. It was fifteen thirty, so this

817
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 1: was to go fifteen forty possibly to get it back

818
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,240
Speaker 1: to three all on the third, like a very pivotal

819
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 1: moment in the match. And she tells Arena, no, no, no,

820
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: I'm not ready because the ball kid was moving behind

821
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: her or something. But I'm sorry, that is bullshit from

822
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 1: the umpire. Sabolenka had already.

823
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 2: Hit the serve.

824
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 1: I was watching, Yeah, chin Win did not put her

825
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 1: racket up, did not even remotely say stop until until

826
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 1: the serve was here to this and it was a

827
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,280
Speaker 1: great serve. And she's like, oh, I wasn't ready. Sorry,

828
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: that's happened to me. If you don't put your racket up,

829
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 1: and you don't even as she's even as she's hitting it,

830
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: you go who wha, wha, wha, whoa. You have to

831
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,919
Speaker 1: say stop, stop, stop and put your hand up because

832
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:26,800
Speaker 1: maybe a ball kids dropped the ball or the umpire

833
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: is not.

834
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 2: I mean, Justinana is still getting shipped for doing that

835
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 2: against Serena in a.

836
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 1: I'm telling you that that was so bad. That was

837
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: so bad.

838
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 2: I mean I was actually going to bring up a

839
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:41,800
Speaker 2: different match in this same tournament, in one where Chinwin

840
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 2: got into it with Leila Fernandez's dad. Oh yeah, and

841
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:46,919
Speaker 2: then Leila Fernandez comes over and I was like, stand

842
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 2: this my dad, which like, and the umpire was like,

843
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 2: don't talk to her dad, listen. I love chin Win.

844
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 2: I know, I loved chin Win so much. I know

845
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 2: I have so many positive things to say about this tournament,

846
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 2: about where she is as a player, about how she's

847
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 2: entered this hop elite group, and I will, but I

848
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,839
Speaker 2: do think we got to call her a little bit.

849
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 2: What's gone, Like there's a little bit of.

850
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: A dad's loud, but you go to the umpire saying stuff.

851
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 2: And the same thing with alignsman, like the talk to

852
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 2: the Empire. There's a there's a little bit of a

853
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 2: an adjustment she could make. And again I'm not suggesting

854
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 2: that I need her to be a locker room favorite.

855
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 2: She doesn't have to make best friends, she doesn't have

856
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 2: to do everything in the spirit of you know, conciliatory behavior.

857
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 2: You know, these ladies are out there to win. Period.

858
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 2: That said, there's a sort of a pattern emerging, and

859
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 2: it makes me wonder about when Emma Navarro over the

860
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 2: Olympics kind of intimated that like Chin one was a

861
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 2: little bit of you know, had a little bit of

862
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 2: a tude in a way that I regret. I regret

863
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 2: saying that immediately. It dates me too.

864
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: Name of the name of the podcast, God.

865
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 2: I will have to name it the Tude the nineties

866
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 2: is what that refers to, an era I lived through

867
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 2: since I'm now in my mid forties. But anyway, my

868
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 2: point is I something's going on with chin win and

869
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 2: I just want to say, look at how gracious Arena Satelanka,

870
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 2: somebody who is not known for always being completely in

871
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 2: control of her own emotions, has presented herself as a

872
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,760
Speaker 2: sportsman or no Vakdjokovic when he's going ham and screaming

873
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 2: at everybody. But at the end of the match, great

874
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 2: loser in you know, it was again and to be

875
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 2: clear chinwin that was a good loser as well. Well

876
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 2: oh wait, but I just think maybe this could be

877
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:41,399
Speaker 2: something she adds to her arsenal of charm because it

878
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 2: goes so much of a long way and it costs

879
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 2: you nothing. It's like being graceful in life, right Like,

880
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 2: all right, okay, you want to be a deck to me,

881
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna let it go. You want to come

882
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:52,919
Speaker 2: at me at the internet. Hey, your teeth look really white.

883
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna de escalate this, do you know what

884
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 2: I mean? Like, there's a certain grace that I think

885
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 2: you can sort of add to your person that just

886
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 2: helps de escalate things. And it seems like right now

887
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 2: there's a little bit of a along with the escalation

888
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 2: of her game and her ability, because I loved the

889
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 2: fact that she got a set off Sabalanca and competed

890
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 2: so much better than she had in tournaments past, certainly

891
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 2: at the Australian Open, which was kind of a boring, overwhelmed,

892
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 2: one way seest match of her career for sure, and

893
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 2: she had planned so much. I love the fact that

894
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 2: she's gotten so much better, and as she does, I've

895
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 2: also noticed a bit of an escalation in some so

896
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:32,320
Speaker 2: let's just let's just call.

897
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 1: It what it is, okay. Also, I just want to

898
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: not shout out, which is the opposite of being positive.

899
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 1: Whoever is the world feed director of And you know,

900
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 1: I work in television, so I know what they're yelling

901
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 1: in the in the truck. You know, camera three, camera four,

902
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: what's the most important thing to get? There was a

903
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,280
Speaker 1: situation where I'm pretty sure Sablanca walked to the umpire

904
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 1: and was going to say something about something we'll never know,

905
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: and they just cut off and they just put it

906
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: on Chin Win and like all the crowd, I was like,

907
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 1: what are you doing?

908
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 2: This could be the most interesting I have gone up

909
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 2: and said if you no, we didn't see it.

910
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 1: And then at the end of the match, when they

911
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 1: go to shake hands, we see the box. We didn't

912
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: even see them shake hands. I'm moving away from the

913
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 1: mic because I'm so angry. What are you doing? You

914
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: have to see them shake hands, which was a bitter

915
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 1: dude shaking hands.

916
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 2: Well, that's why we had so much controversy about that

917
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 2: Egoshiantek match. At I think it was the Olympics, or

918
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 2: maybe it was the US Open. I forget who she

919
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 2: was playing, but I was like they had some words.

920
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 2: You were like, no, no, no, they're best friends. It's positive

921
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 2: and other people are like they out each other.

922
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:45,280
Speaker 1: Oh that was at the Olympics.

923
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 2: It was at the Olympics again either me, I.

924
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 1: Was doing the commentary and I got always in that

925
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:50,879
Speaker 1: nice look at them. They just had a little chat

926
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 1: at the net like they were like, hey, great match.

927
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 1: Meanwhile we found out it.

928
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 2: Was not a nice conversation, which I want to say

929
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 2: I said on the podcast. I was like, no way,

930
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 2: those guys that was beef either way, because the camera

931
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,439
Speaker 2: didn't stay on them, that those of us at home

932
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,879
Speaker 2: couldn't get some of the contexts.

933
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 1: Of like I like knowing it just like heals me.

934
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 2: Come on, guys, heads up.

935
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,839
Speaker 1: The only thing I can think of pay attention is

936
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,919
Speaker 1: that whoever it may be, the world feed was coming

937
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 1: from China, So because you don't know where, it's like

938
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: who's so my guess is because this happens to us

939
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: all the time at ESPN, people will write me and

940
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: they're like, why didn't you show this and why didn't

941
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 1: Why did we have to see it, and like we

942
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:34,280
Speaker 1: don't have to control of the cameras. They're not ESPN

943
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 1: unless we are doing the match and we have the

944
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 1: cameras and they're all ours, we have control over that.

945
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not like you can call it like, hey, the.

946
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: French open love to show a woman in the crowd

947
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,959
Speaker 1: licking an ice cream and we're like, what the fuck?

948
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 1: Why do we have to keep seeing these women in

949
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 1: the crowd. It's because you've got a dude in there,

950
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: a French, the French Tennis TV, and he's loves to

951
00:43:56,640 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: see women and whatever you can find on them. But like,

952
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: for example, one hundred percent, they wanted to show Roger

953
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 1: and Alcaz one hundred times because the Chinese are losing

954
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 1: their mind that they're sitting there. So I think it

955
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,800
Speaker 1: came from the Chinese TV, who has ever had the

956
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 1: rights in China, And they don't want to show controversy. Sure, right,

957
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:16,800
Speaker 1: So they don't want to show the shitty handshape because

958
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: Chin went lost, right, They don't want to show the

959
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: argument with sable Anca and the umpire. They just want

960
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: to pretendverything's great.

961
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:30,439
Speaker 2: But the nice thing about sports, what is that it's

962
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 2: all there? Yeah, it's all there.

963
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: You can't someone's going to film it exactly, which is

964
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:40,800
Speaker 1: what they showed someone showed the handshake and it was frosty,

965
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 1: so we finally got a cut of it. But oh

966
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,359
Speaker 1: my god, Like, honestly, it was so frustrating to watch.

967
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, you always know if they're a European dude,

968
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: because you just see women and boobs throughout an attire match.

969
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: And then in China, if they're not showing anything controversy,

970
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 1: you go to Chinese TV and in Australia will find

971
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 1: the guy with the beer sure, or the lady chugging

972
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 1: to beer.

973
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:06,320
Speaker 2: Like there's just the Australians. Also, they call them girls girls.

974
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,280
Speaker 2: I hate that girls so much. Yeah, these two girls

975
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 2: out on court seventeen. I did. I know it's a

976
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 2: cultural thing.

977
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: It's not cultural, it's just I hate it.

978
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 2: I hate it.

979
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:16,919
Speaker 1: You hate it like ANSI.

980
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 2: Well, that's one purpose because I was like, I can

981
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 2: do your accent? Can you do not saying girls about

982
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 2: women who.

983
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 1: Are playing propecional ladies? Billy Jean King always hates me.

984
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do sometimes tweet about it and somebody will

985
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 2: respond back.

986
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to I say girls sometimes, but I

987
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: feel like I'm.

988
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 2: Being a girl woman. I feel like you have a

989
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 2: little bit more. No, no, no, I'm saying you have a

990
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 2: little bit more leniency. If I hear it from a man,

991
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 2: always I get mad.

992
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 1: All right, So all the men out there, ladies, it's

993
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: ladies or women women? All right?

994
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 2: Okay, So so both finals done and dusted.

995
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 1: Great, great matches. I want to know you had a

996
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 1: lovely trip to Italy. Oh yeah, did you bring back

997
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 1: the drugs?

998
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 2: You know? I could. I could not find them in

999
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 2: Porto Fino grocery stores. Hey, and I even looked at

1000
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 2: the airport. I didn't see any creams, some spor sprays.

1001
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 2: I saw neither creams nor sprays. God damn it, I don't.

1002
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what I saw. Overpriced skincare. I saw

1003
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 2: I got some really nice Italian toothpaste because I ran

1004
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 2: a toothpaste. I looked, I asked. I had a lot

1005
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 2: of gesticulating conversations. No steroid cream. I was like, you know,

1006
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 2: make performance, and everyone is just very Italian. It's just like,

1007
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 2: get out of here. Well, I don't speak Italian. That's

1008
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 2: another reason that I don't travel to Italy very much,

1009
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,760
Speaker 2: because I can plausibly speak some of the other languages Italian.

1010
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 1: I love the fact that you went to Italy and

1011
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 1: we've had this conversation.

1012
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 2: I really like that much.

1013
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 1: Yes, we've had this conversation. I'm like, what is wrong

1014
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 1: with you? You are the weirdest human, but you don't

1015
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: like dogs and you don't like Italy. There's something wrong

1016
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 1: with you.

1017
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 2: Can I think I'm gonna I actually was confronted by

1018
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:54,439
Speaker 2: somebody about this, and I think it's because I count

1019
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 2: There's a really good reason I have in my older

1020
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 2: age trying to accept that my snobbishness is not a

1021
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 2: good look and I need to take it down a notch.

1022
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 2: And just because I think certain things are basic doesn't

1023
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 2: mean that I need to hate on them. And in fact, maybe.

1024
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 1: There's some things like how is Italy basic?

1025
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 2: Because everybody and their mom is like, oh, it's the

1026
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 2: Taylor Swift of European countries. Let's just be honest. Well

1027
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 2: it is. I just it's the Taylor Swift of European countries.

1028
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:30,240
Speaker 1: Listen, there's some things that you say that a little

1029
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 1: have gotten me into trouble on this podcast. But please God,

1030
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 1: Italy Italians, don't come after me. You've got you so.

1031
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 2: Much less to worry about from the Italians than you

1032
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 2: do from Taylor.

1033
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 1: Swift, because you know that's true.

1034
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 2: You know, you know the Italians.

1035
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,320
Speaker 1: Someone sitting there that is Italian listening to our podcast

1036
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 1: and the hand is moving like what get God's.

1037
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 2: Well, say, I had a fantastic time.

1038
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 1: Oh wait wait, let me let me finish my thought.

1039
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 1: You were having such a good time and you could

1040
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: not have been nicer. And oh my god, look at

1041
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 1: this and all the food la la la people and

1042
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: yet and I was like, ah, she's finally sniffed the glue.

1043
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 1: She finally realizes that is great.

1044
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 2: It was amazing. I had pesto. Say it again, what

1045
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 2: it was great? It was great. I had pesto pasta,

1046
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 2: but ben I had pesto pasta that I didn't think

1047
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 2: was possible in my mind, a flavor deliciousness for Katca that,

1048
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 2: oh my god. We did this further to photo shoot

1049
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 2: with Feliciana Lopez. It's going to be coming out in

1050
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 2: the beginning of next year, who, by the way, is

1051
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 2: as attractive as you think, somehow even more in photographs.

1052
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 1: And for you to say that that's something.

1053
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 2: I was like, am I strained?

1054
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 1: That's straight?

1055
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 2: What's happening?

1056
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 1: No, Caitlin, you might have been bisexual for me, I

1057
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: don't know, You're definitely never gonna be sure.

1058
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 2: I've seen that. But a twenty year did.

1059
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 1: You realize that National coming Out Day?

1060
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 2: It was National Coming Out Day. But I may have

1061
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 2: come out the other way came out. I came out

1062
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 2: the other side coming out to day. No. But it

1063
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 2: was really fun. And at one point we went back in,

1064
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 2: but I went back in. We took a picture of

1065
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 2: him in at the Focaccetti, Yeah, the famous port of Furia,

1066
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 2: which is run by this older woman who's been running

1067
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 2: it forever, and she very gently chewed all of the

1068
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 2: tourists out of the way so that we could take

1069
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:21,320
Speaker 2: a picture of him for Liciana Lopez eating the facacia

1070
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,720
Speaker 2: with her, and she just she couldn't bring him enough ficaca.

1071
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 2: I mean she was in every shot. She was like,

1072
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 2: oh what about this one, but this one has cheese,

1073
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 2: like oh, this one is fresh, like you must try

1074
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 2: and he must have eaten he was a really good sport.

1075
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 2: He must have eaten.

1076
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 1: Forty lives of ficasha because.

1077
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 2: This lady was she wouldn't. I mean, she was like,

1078
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:41,240
Speaker 2: do you need more shots? Do you need to go?

1079
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:42,439
Speaker 1: I'll take the Lemon.

1080
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:45,839
Speaker 2: I think we're good. I think we're good. Nobody, Oh

1081
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 2: my god, he sure does so. Anyway, it was a

1082
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 2: really fun time we get to play a tennis tournament.

1083
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 2: The cease people who are part of the Laura Piano

1084
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 2: family could not have been more incredible hosts. The clothes

1085
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 2: are amazing. Everything was just so amazing and fun.

1086
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 1: Thank God. And I really am if I could, like,

1087
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 1: if I had like drums or a drum kid or something,

1088
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:06,879
Speaker 1: I would be like, thank god, Caitlein's finally realize how

1089
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 1: amazing Italy truly is.

1090
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 2: I would go back.

1091
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: Great. Well, I'm go to Spain to Malaga so jealous,

1092
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 1: and I might have to stay now for Rafa I

1093
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 1: think you do?

1094
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,399
Speaker 2: I think can you get him on this podcast? Listen

1095
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 2: as I want to talk.

1096
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 1: I love you. Yeah, I'm so sad.

1097
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 2: But do we have anything? So much else to add

1098
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 2: to that?

1099
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 1: Well, the one thing I want to say is I

1100
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 1: want to tell you one story. I did it on

1101
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 1: my on my inter on my social Instagram, but I

1102
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 1: did tell some stories. And the one story that I

1103
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 1: love that I'll tell you all again is at the

1104
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:49,240
Speaker 1: US Open when I lost my semi final of doubles

1105
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 1: very disappointingly. Upper set came back the next day because

1106
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:54,919
Speaker 1: of rain that wouldn't have happened now with the roof

1107
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 1: closed at you know, we had to come back the

1108
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 1: next day and we lost in three sets. Sam does

1109
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 1: and I and I had a couple of beers because

1110
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:03,760
Speaker 1: we had to you know, I had to do drug testing,

1111
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 1: got a pee, you know, So I had a few

1112
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:09,840
Speaker 1: beers and without food, get a little tipsy. And Ruffa

1113
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 1: lost that day as well. And he had been dominating

1114
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 1: that year and he lost in I believe the Semis

1115
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 1: as well. I may have been the final, I don't know.

1116
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 1: And he was doing a million press, you know, interviews

1117
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 1: after the match, which I thought was so nice of

1118
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 1: him in the player's garden, and that we happened to

1119
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 1: get up at the same time and go to transportation,

1120
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 1: and I was a little tipsy and I walked over him,

1121
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 1: over to him, and I put my hand on his

1122
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 1: shoulder and I said, bad luck today, Rufa, and he

1123
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 1: put his arm around me and he goes, see for

1124
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 1: you too, No, No, And I was like, I had

1125
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 1: no intention of like having him be like you're amazing too.

1126
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 2: No.

1127
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:47,240
Speaker 1: I was just literally and I was a little drunk

1128
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: and he just goes see for you to no, and

1129
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 1: I was like, yes, Ruffa, I am also a loser.

1130
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 1: And it was just that moment where I was like, Wow,

1131
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 1: this guy was clearly sitting in the locker room waiting

1132
00:51:57,560 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 1: to play his match, and you know, we all sit

1133
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 1: in there in the locker and all the matches are

1134
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 1: going on on the TVs in front of us. So

1135
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 1: he obviously took and he was obviously watching, just waiting

1136
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 1: for his match, and he had seen that I had lost.

1137
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:11,359
Speaker 1: I just thought it was such a nice, poignant moment

1138
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:14,800
Speaker 1: that this great champion, he clearly had a tough day himself,

1139
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 1: took it upon himself to actually say to me, yeah,

1140
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 1: but you had a tough day as well.

1141
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. He wasn't that he was not the only protagonist

1142
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 2: in his own universe. There was other people existing having

1143
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 2: experiences simultaneously. And that's to me always what has been

1144
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 2: so impressive about him, which is that he is a

1145
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 2: extremely thoughtful, magnanimous person who also happens to be an

1146
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 2: incredible champion, the likes of which who will probably not

1147
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 2: see you again in our lifetime. But I think he's

1148
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 2: always been so sort of broad thinking in his press

1149
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 2: conference responses, he thinks about the sport in like a

1150
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 2: much larger way, and he.

1151
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 1: Never broke a racket.

1152
00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:58,800
Speaker 2: He never broke a racket.

1153
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 1: Got me think about that, right, Like I was not

1154
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 1: a racket breaker, but I have broken rackets.

1155
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 2: It speaks to some belief, maybe even like a religious belief,

1156
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 2: a core belief and a core tenet of who he

1157
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 2: is as a person, that he would always be sort

1158
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 2: of thinking about the bigger picture. That's what it feels like.

1159
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,879
Speaker 2: And I think for me watching him transition to some

1160
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 2: sort of elder statesman of the game, which he no

1161
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 2: doubt will do because he is beloved everywhere, I'm excited

1162
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:31,239
Speaker 2: to watch Because I was not always the biggest RAFA fan.

1163
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 2: He won me over and I feel like I'm going

1164
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 2: to love him a lot more than I ended up

1165
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 2: loving Roger, to be honest.

1166
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:42,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, I And the other story I told was when

1167
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 1: he won his lost Australian Open and down two sets

1168
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 1: to love, two three love forty on serve And it

1169
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 1: is to me the epitome of his career, and it

1170
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 1: is also the epitome of what kids or anyone needs

1171
00:53:56,120 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 1: to understand about adversity, how to be a champion, and

1172
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 1: all the things is down two sets of love two three,

1173
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,959
Speaker 1: love forty, and in my brain, I'm watching this match

1174
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 1: going it's over. He looked like he was going to die.

1175
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 1: He was sweating more than I've ever seen. He was

1176
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:15,359
Speaker 1: fatigued like I'd never seen. Medvedev was arguably the best

1177
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 1: player on the hard court. He just won the US Open.

1178
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 1: He came in with all this confidence and it looked

1179
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 1: like there's no way he's losing this match. And he

1180
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:25,840
Speaker 1: lost the second set seven to six, and it was like,

1181
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 1: oh my god, he's done. Now, two sets of love down. Mentally,

1182
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 1: you're like, that's hard to imagine fighting back. And he

1183
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 1: wins the point at love forty and he goes Vamus

1184
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:37,879
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I thought it's still This guy would

1185
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 1: let everyone in the crowd and everyone on TV and

1186
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:42,399
Speaker 1: go no, no, no, But I can still I'm still

1187
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:44,319
Speaker 1: going to try and win this match. I'm like, yeah,

1188
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:46,359
Speaker 1: but dude, you have no chance, like you're getting killed.

1189
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 1: And he goes Bammus and God knows, he wins the game,

1190
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 1: and it might have been the most important game in

1191
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:54,280
Speaker 1: his career. He wins the game, goes three, all comes

1192
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 1: back wins the set, wins the fourth set, gets up

1193
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 1: five to four in the fifth and I'm like, well,

1194
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 1: I'm watching this going I cannot believe he's going to

1195
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 1: serve for the match now. And he plays a horrific game.

1196
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 1: He double faults twice in the game. He double faults

1197
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 1: on the first point, and I believe the last point

1198
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 1: of that game, turns around, takes the ball out of

1199
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 1: his pocket, throws back to the ball kid, shakes his

1200
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 1: head a little bit and it's like, oh god. And

1201
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 1: then wins the next game, wins the match. But it

1202
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 1: was in the postmatch interview in press that is what

1203
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:22,839
Speaker 1: changed me and my thinking towards him. He said. Someone

1204
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 1: asked him about and he said, yes, when I lost

1205
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 1: the game at five to four, serving for the match,

1206
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 1: because it was a terrible game, he choked, he said,

1207
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:32,359
Speaker 1: in his own mind, he said, oh my god, I'm

1208
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 1: going to lose another Australian open upper break in the

1209
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 1: fifth and he said, but I said to myself at

1210
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 1: that moment, but he has to beat me. Now, I'm

1211
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 1: going to give one hundred percent still and we'll see

1212
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 1: what happens. And sure enough, Medvedev played a horrible game

1213
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:48,359
Speaker 1: and Ruffa ended a winning But my first thought when

1214
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 1: I read that transcript and I saw that was to say,

1215
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 1: oh my god, even Rafa is negative. Even Rafa thinks negatively.

1216
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:58,880
Speaker 1: Even Rafa doubts that he can do it. Even Rafa

1217
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 1: thinks about the shit that happened two seven years ago.

1218
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 1: Years he still has that scar tissue, right, Every tennis player,

1219
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 1: every sports athlete has scar tissue. But he says, but

1220
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 1: I'm not going to give into it, and I'm not

1221
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:14,359
Speaker 1: going to now walk away from the challenge. I'm going

1222
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 1: to keep trying. And he did anyone his you know,

1223
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:21,959
Speaker 1: twenty second I think, uh or twenty first Grand Slam,

1224
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 1: because all three of them were on twenty.

1225
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 2: At that's right.

1226
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 1: He went ahead, And I thought, oh my god. That's

1227
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:30,240
Speaker 1: the lesson this is every kid, is that everyone thinks negatively.

1228
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:32,880
Speaker 1: It's how you then respond to it. And that is

1229
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 1: the epitome of Raffia on Nadal.

1230
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 2: Propose we end this podcast how we began it, which

1231
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 2: is that champions adjust and pressure is a privilege. And

1232
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:43,239
Speaker 2: pressure is a privilege. Nobody taught us that better than

1233
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 2: Rafa Nadal and I will miss him something crazy, and

1234
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 2: I hope I see a photo of him daving AFA

1235
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 2: yacht in the coast of Majorca at least once a

1236
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 2: week because that is where he belongs.

1237
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:57,479
Speaker 1: Me too. We love you, Rafa. Thank you for giving

1238
00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 1: us twenty years of the most amazing guts, sportsmanship, class, everything.

1239
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 1: And I hope Spain win the Davis Cup would be

1240
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 1: a varmous moment, wouldn't it, even though Australia is playing

1241
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 1: in the US.

1242
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 2: But still no, no, I'm going through Spain me too, all.

1243
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 1: Right, varmos. Thank you everyone for joining us again today.

1244
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 2: Next week babe.

1245
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 1: Thanks Matt.

1246
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 2: H h m hm