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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. The last time family and

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Speaker 1: friends saw twenty four year old Sydney Loof was in

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Speaker 1: this snapchat as she was preparing for a second date

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Speaker 1: with the woman she met on Tender Just like so

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Speaker 1: many others the popular dating app leading to one million

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Speaker 1: dates a week. Luf seen smiling in the photo on

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Speaker 1: November fifteenth, writing ready for my date before vanishing now

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Speaker 1: her date. Twenty three year old Bailey Boswell and fifty

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Speaker 1: one year old Aubrey Trail being called persons of interest

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Speaker 1: by Nebraska police by their own statements on social media.

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Speaker 1: We believe that Aubrey Trail and Bailey Boswell were two

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Speaker 1: of the last people who have known to ben Lift

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Speaker 1: Sidney prior to her disappearance. The search for Loof beginning

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Speaker 1: when she missed a shift at the home improvement store

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Speaker 1: where she worked. Her worried family pleading for help. Someone

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Speaker 1: knows something, Please do the right thing. A shocking moment,

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Speaker 1: a man accused of strangling his twenty four year old

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Speaker 1: Tender date, Sydney Loof to death with an extension cord,

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Speaker 1: out his killer girlfriend is innocent. I'm Nancy Grace. This

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Speaker 1: is crime stories. Did fifty two year old Aubrey Trail

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Speaker 1: murder and dismember a twenty four year old girl Sidney

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Speaker 1: Loof in Nebraska? His girlfriend, his henchman in crime, Bailey Boswell,

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Speaker 1: and dismember the girl? In court this perv, Aubrey Trail

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Speaker 1: slashes his own throat during a court hearing, screaming out

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Speaker 1: how did he get out the window at three am?

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Speaker 1: Fully dressed pant shirt, belt, car keys, wallet, shoes, The

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Speaker 1: here straight out to Dave maat crime online dot Com,

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Speaker 1: investigate a reporter, what happened? Nancy has started with the

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Speaker 1: mobile phone app called Tender. Sydney Luf's twenty four years

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Speaker 1: old and just trying to find, you know, like everybody else,

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Speaker 1: trying to find you know, buddy that she can connect with.

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Speaker 1: She had gone out with Bailey Boswell, the twenty five

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Speaker 1: year old girlfriend of Aubrey Tail, who you are already

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Speaker 1: talking about. He was fifty one, Bailey was twenty five.

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Speaker 1: Sydney Louth was twenty four. She and Bailey connected on

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Speaker 1: Tender and this was their second date, Okay, And what

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Speaker 1: we know is that during the second date, Bailey Boswell

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Speaker 1: picked up Sydney Sydney Louth at her home. But to

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Speaker 1: that point that apparently Boswell and Trail had a game

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Speaker 1: plan to kill Sydney Luth that night. And when about

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Speaker 1: doing the most heinous crime you can possibly imagine, we

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Speaker 1: are talking about shocking videos showing a man slashing his

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Speaker 1: in the courthouse, screaming out his girlfriend's innocence. Listen, you guys.

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Speaker 1: Jake Wisikowski, senior reporter with cam TV three News, Now,

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Speaker 1: I just giving me a look at what's going on.

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Speaker 1: How in the middle of court after some testimony this morning,

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Speaker 1: online dot Com investigative reporter. Now, the fifty one year

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Speaker 1: old male Aubrey Trail's defense is arguing Sydney's death was

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Speaker 1: you dismember them. Hold on, Jason oceans. What about that.

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Speaker 1: That's pretty hard to unintentionally dismember, Nancy. I mean, that's

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Speaker 1: the evidence to Karen Start and your psychologist. You can

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Speaker 1: find her at Karenstark dot com. Apparently, he admits to

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Speaker 1: it tells me Dad, it didn't go wrong, Nancy, that

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Speaker 1: But they have something specific, Nancy, because what they're talking

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Speaker 1: Court documents confirm grizzly details and the death of Sydney

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Speaker 1: Talk to your host Dave mcdave. What happened. Police were

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Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy Grace. Eighteen, a seventeen year old

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Speaker 1: is gunned down running from police listen to ABC seven.

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Speaker 1: Van Dyke is the first Chicago police officer to face

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Speaker 1: a year after seventeen year old McDonald was killed. Angelo says,

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Speaker 1: the video does not tell the whole story. I think

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Speaker 1: officer Van Dyke steps into his training mode and takes

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Speaker 1: action that he believed at that time was justified. M okay,

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Speaker 1: So to you, Dave Mac, how damning is that video?

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Speaker 1: What does it prove? It shows that LaQuan was not

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Speaker 1: the scene at the time he was struck, But it

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Speaker 1: shows much more than that. It actually shows that he

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Speaker 1: threat to anyone. Mmmmmmmm So to you, Joseph Scott Morgan,

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Speaker 1: that's against all police protocol I've ever heard of. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it is, Nancy. Once the threat is neutralized, at that point,

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Speaker 1: gives people to watch it, this idea that the individuals

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Speaker 1: in the video for our fans that have not seen it,

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Speaker 1: as as the bullet strike the asphalt. So it really

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Speaker 1: paints a very sour picture. Let me ask you, Dave Nate,

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Speaker 1: to turn up? Nancy. It took thirteen months, four hundred days,

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Speaker 1: and the police and the city actually fought it. It

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Speaker 1: was only after a judge forced them to release the

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Speaker 1: video that brought about the charges against officer Van Dyke.

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Speaker 1: The officer was charged just a matter of hours before

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Speaker 1: they actually had to release it. They didn't want to

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Speaker 1: release that video. They tried to hold it back to

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Speaker 1: prevent the city and to people from seeing it. I

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Speaker 1: don't understand that. To Kenya Johnson, Atlanta prosecutor, you know,

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Speaker 1: I hate it when there was wrongdoing on behalf of

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Speaker 1: cops and it's happened with cops that I've used in

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Speaker 1: vice cases before, because it takes every case they've ever touched.

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Speaker 1: Why but still, long story short, the state is duty

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Speaker 1: bound to seek justice. Why would they fight the release

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Speaker 1: of the video. Well, the law protects ongoing investigation, So

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Speaker 1: even if you were to file an open records request,

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Speaker 1: as long as the investigation is still open or the

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Speaker 1: agency says it is, and they're not bound to release it. However,

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Speaker 1: those elected officials that run on transparency, that's what the

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Speaker 1: they feel like they're justified, then they should just go

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Speaker 1: ahead and release it and allow the public to form

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Speaker 1: their own opinion, which ultimately is going to happen. And

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Speaker 1: listen to Officer Jason Van Dyke under oh McDonald doing

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Speaker 1: advancing on me? And could you see him his face? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I could? I wonder anything? Did you notice about the stakes?

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Speaker 1: His face had no expression, His eyes were just bugging

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Speaker 1: out of his head. He had just these huge white

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Speaker 1: eyes just staring right through me. And did you say

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Speaker 1: anything too while stop? How was yelling at him? Dropped

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Speaker 1: the knife? I yelling? I don't know how many times,

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Speaker 1: but it's all y'all. And did he keep advancing forward you?

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Speaker 1: He never stopped? How close did he gets to you? Good?

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Speaker 1: Probably about ten to fifteen feet away from me to

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Speaker 1: Dave Matt, is that what the video shows? No, ma'am.

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Speaker 1: And actually, you know when he says that he was

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Speaker 1: that LaQuan was advancing on him. If you go back

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Speaker 1: only person advancing was Officer Van Dyke when he exits

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Speaker 1: BBC seven. The suspended police officer will have his day

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Speaker 1: in court today, appears to begin the local process that

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Speaker 1: will likely result in Jason Van Dyke on trial for murder.

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Speaker 1: The Chicago police officer at the center of a controversial

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Speaker 1: civilian shooting, had no comment as he walked into a

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Speaker 1: Cook County courthouse amid heckling from the crowd. Fourth today,

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Speaker 1: officer Jason van Dyke pleaded not guilty for the murder

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Speaker 1: of LaQuan McDonald. Video of the shooting gained national attention.

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Speaker 1: McDonald's family wants the court proceedings to also get as

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Speaker 1: much attention. McDonald was shot sixteen times last October. Police

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Speaker 1: had been pursuing McDonald for allegedly trying to break into

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Speaker 1: part cards. Officer Van Dyke, now suspended from the Chicago

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Speaker 1: Police Department, was on the scene four seconds before firing

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Speaker 1: at the seventeen year old. Prosecutors previously alleged some of

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Speaker 1: the shots were fired once the teenager with a three

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Speaker 1: inch folding knife was on the ground. Can listen our

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Speaker 1: friends at pot thirty two. The Jason Vandyke jury heard

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Speaker 1: today from two eyewitnesses to the LaQuan McDonald shooting, one

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Speaker 1: of them a police officer Jason Vandyke's partner. The other

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Speaker 1: one a twenty six year old man who just happened

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Speaker 1: upon the scene while he was on his feet. Did

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Speaker 1: you see him make any threatenee movements. No. After he's

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Speaker 1: on the ground and you said you heard more and

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Speaker 1: more shots, did you see him make any threatenee movements?

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Speaker 1: None at all. Xavier Torres's father was driving him to

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Speaker 1: the hospital with flu symptoms when they noticed a lot

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Speaker 1: of police activity and went to see what was going on.

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Speaker 1: Torres told the jury that Lacwan McDonald did not appear

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Speaker 1: to be threatening police before he was shot. What did

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Speaker 1: it appear he was doing when he was walking southwest?

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Speaker 1: Just again, looked like he was trying to get away

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Speaker 1: from from other officers. Torres's testimony was contradicted by Jason

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Speaker 1: Vandyke's partner on the night of the shooting. Former officer

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Speaker 1: Joseph Walsh testified that dash cam video of the incident

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Speaker 1: doesn't reflect what he saw. My angle is totally different

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Speaker 1: from that perspective. He told the jury, Well, the jury

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Speaker 1: got to see if we're themselves listen to this. We

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Speaker 1: the jury find a defendant, Jay Siband by guilty of

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Speaker 1: second degree murder. We the jury find a defendant they

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Speaker 1: amended by guilty of aggravated battery with the firearm first shot.

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Speaker 1: We the jury find a defendant, and by guilty of

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Speaker 1: aggravated battery with the firearm. The second shots, we the

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Speaker 1: jury find a defendant, Jasonband, guilty of aggravated battery with

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Speaker 1: fur arm six shots. Nancy Grace Crime Stories signing off

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Speaker 1: good Bye friend,