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Speaker 2: Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true

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Speaker 2: crime all the time. It's Thursday, January fifteenth, and yes,

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Speaker 2: we have a stacked night of headlines, so shocking revelations

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Speaker 2: in Ohio. This surgeon who was accused of killing Monique

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Speaker 2: Teppe and her husband, the dentist, Spencer Teppee. This continues

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Speaker 2: to get stranger and scarier by the minute. Plus we're

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Speaker 2: also exploring Peter Teel. We talked about this last night

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Speaker 2: in his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. Yet again, here we

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Speaker 2: are twenty twenty six, still not a single release of

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Speaker 2: an Epstein file, and we're on try watch because the

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Speaker 2: cheating O pair that we spoke about yesterday in the

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Speaker 2: case about bds, et cetera. That double homicide is a

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Speaker 2: real thing. By the way, body's laughing at me. Did

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Speaker 2: I say that wrong? I did? Bdsm bdsm How we

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Speaker 2: have to unpack this a little bit more. And then

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Speaker 2: also the dental assistant accused of sexually assaulting unconscious patience.

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Speaker 3: This one is wild unbelievable. I mean I read this

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Speaker 3: and I gasped, Oh, gasped.

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Speaker 2: It's a wild, wild Thursday. Hopefully yours was going very smoothly,

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Speaker 2: and that you have a beautiful weekend ahead if you

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Speaker 2: are stuck in the snow where I know so much

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Speaker 2: of the country is getting walloped right now. You see

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Speaker 2: the car accidents on the road. Please be safe. We're

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Speaker 2: thinking about you and man, where should we begin, Courtney Armstrong?

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Speaker 3: Oh, actually, no body is raising her hand.

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Speaker 2: Body's ready?

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Speaker 3: So I was going to give an update on Ohio

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Speaker 3: the Ohio murder double murder, right please okay? So more

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Speaker 3: information has surfaced regarding the troubled past of the suspect

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Speaker 3: in this case, Michael McKee. He's a thirty nine year

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Speaker 3: old surgeon, and he stands accused of fatally shooting his

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Speaker 3: ex wife, Monique and her you know wonderful dentist husband, Spencer, Right, sure,

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Speaker 3: Monique and Spencer Teppe. The double homicide took place in

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Speaker 3: their home in Columbus, Ohio, on December thirtieth, while the

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Speaker 3: couple young children were asleep nearby. Thankfully, they were unharmed.

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Speaker 3: Investigators have identified a potential murder weapon, and those close

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Speaker 3: the relationship between the victims and the suspect in this case,

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Speaker 3: and it's it's very interesting. What's also really interesting is that,

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Speaker 3: you know, how he was caught, right, so he was arrested,

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Speaker 3: but he was caught because they identified him via the

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Speaker 3: to Rockford, Illinois. The police, actually the ATF arrested him,

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Speaker 3: which was so interesting to her. Yeah, and I you know,

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Speaker 3: we asked Jared about this last night and he said

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Speaker 3: that they were likely just assisting you know, local law

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Speaker 3: So they arrested him, Michael McKey, near his place of

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Speaker 3: employment in Rockford, Illinois, on January tenth, So there was

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Speaker 3: about a two week window between the murder and the arrest.

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Speaker 3: So he was booked into the Winnebago County Jail and

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Speaker 3: later he waived extradition to Ohio and he was it

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Speaker 3: was about five hundred miles from how from the crime scene, which.

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Speaker 2: Is a very big deal. So he crossed state line

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Speaker 3: Right, well, so the murder weapon, right, this is kind

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: So police did recover multiple firearms from Michael McKee on

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Speaker 2: Okay, so would that be like a car's VIN number.

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Speaker 2: This is why people try to get rid of a

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Speaker 3: where I live in Clark County, Nevada. The lawsuit is

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Speaker 3: alleging that the suspect in this case, Michael McKee, caused

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Speaker 3: process servers were unable to locate Michael McKee initially, and

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Speaker 3: with a plaintiff seeking damages exceeding fifty grand. But the

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Speaker 2: That's very surprising to me. I did.

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Speaker 5: My assumption was that every position had to carry it.

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Speaker 3: Figures I would have lived in the state.

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Speaker 2: But what does that imply that either the walls were

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Speaker 2: guilty because maybe part of this caused pain to somebody,

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Speaker 2: and he's a surgeon and he's trying to better people's lives.

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Speaker 2: I did see some reports that suggested that the first

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Speaker 2: it was interesting that they said first. I was like, gosh,

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Speaker 2: the world we live in, right for just lawsuit after lawsuit? Right,

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Speaker 2: maybe that's a trigger. Yeah, I maybe I means as

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Speaker 2: they found the gun back in his actual home in Illinois.

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Speaker 2: Because I was also reading a report that was you know,

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Speaker 2: this was the chatter that he had requested a bed

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Speaker 2: the night before the murders, before he got on his

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Speaker 3: Oh I have been that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally makes sense, Like what would that add and

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Speaker 3: That's a good point. That's I didn't hear that. That's

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Speaker 3: really interesting. And I was just thinking it was a trigger,

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Speaker 3: Then they left this device in his leg and you know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and again we had made mention of this, like, well,

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Speaker 2: does he have a psychopathic tendency? Again, we're not saying

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Speaker 2: that all surgeons or doctors or psychopaths, of course, and

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Speaker 2: not all killers or psychopaths, and not all psychopaths are killers. However,

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Speaker 2: most serial killers are psychopaths. Right listen, the more you

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Speaker 2: know this is true crime. Tonight, we're on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 5: I'm Courtney Armstrong, so lucky to be here with Body

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Speaker 5: Moven and Stephanie Leidecker, and we're talking about the surgeon

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Speaker 5: who's been accused of the dub double murder homicide in Ohio.

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Speaker 5: If you have thoughts, we'd love to hear from you.

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Speaker 5: Let us know on the talkbacks on the iHeartRadio app. So,

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Speaker 5: this was just an interesting piece of information that both

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Speaker 5: Spencer and Monique Tepe, as well as a suspect, all

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Speaker 5: graduated from Ohio State University. So wow, I wonder if

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Speaker 5: they all knew each other back right, I wonder.

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Speaker 2: Oh wait, that's an interesting theory that I haven't heard before.

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Speaker 2: So is it possible that Spencer knew the ex husband, Michael, right, Oh, well,

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Speaker 2: that would be interesting. Probably have crosspaths there. Any difference,

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Speaker 3: And they're both in the medical area, right like you know,

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Speaker 3: Spencer's a dentist in Rudge. Yeah, well maybe, well, and

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Speaker 2: Like she was forever, she was forever changed.

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Speaker 3: Right, So I'm kind of wondering, you know how, you know,

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Speaker 2: You know, Go ahead, I ask another question on just

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Speaker 2: like Michael's state of mind. Again. You know, we had

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Speaker 3: It's like he knew where it was.

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Speaker 2: But why would he even walk in that path if

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Speaker 2: a head taller than everybody around him. So I don't

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Speaker 2: and you know, that's an identifying quality. So if he

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Speaker 2: wouldn't he have dodged those cameras altogether? Because I have

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Speaker 2: to assume that's what really. Of course, somebody recognized his walk.

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Speaker 7: I'll listen Today's to today's episode about the Ice shooting

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Speaker 3: you know, there's masked thugs. I think I'm paraphrase here,

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Speaker 3: but I think he said that. I think he said

434
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Speaker 3: mass thugs walking around, you know, asking American citizens for

435
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Speaker 3: their papers. This is a problem.

436
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 2: Why is this is a problem fashion asking for papers?

437
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,120
Speaker 2: And I don't think is it true? And by the way,

438
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:15,879
Speaker 2: our caller would probably have the answer to this, so

439
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 2: please call back with the info. Is the training to

440
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:23,359
Speaker 2: be a police officer yes, of the same as it

441
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Speaker 2: is for ICE.

442
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:29,880
Speaker 3: No ICE doesn't ice. The ICE training is much more lenient. Actually,

443
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 3: it's forty seven days of training, right in honor of

444
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 3: the forties. Do you guys see that article by that

445
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 3: journalist from Slate that went to the ICE expo in

446
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:43,120
Speaker 3: Texas had a six minute interview with Ice and that hired.

447
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 4: No And I think they could even do a background check.

448
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 3: It was it was it was pretty So it's an

449
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:50,360
Speaker 3: optics thing.

450
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Speaker 2: So we're not looking for the smartest and the most

451
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 2: strategic necessarily not to say that they're not. However, are

452
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 2: we looking for bigger, scarier optics. They It's a very

453
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 2: gi Joe, it is. And so what is the look

454
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 2: what do we try to accomplish with.

455
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Speaker 3: I'm not sure. And you know, if the caller was

456
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Speaker 3: talking about you know, or was going to say because

457
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:10,680
Speaker 3: she got caught off right, if she was going to say,

458
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Speaker 3: you know, he had this incident in twenty twenty five

459
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 3: where he was dragged by a car, he might have

460
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 3: had he might have PTSD or something, and when you know,

461
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,119
Speaker 3: that's if that's true, If that's true, he should be

462
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Speaker 3: behind a desk.

463
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:25,399
Speaker 2: No, he should not be walking on that.

464
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 3: I mean, it's la.

465
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 2: It's a problem either way.

466
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Speaker 3: I believe he's going to be charged with second degree

467
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,879
Speaker 3: murder and I think I do, do you by Minnesota?

468
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 2: I do?

469
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 3: And I think you know that he'll be shielded through this,

470
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 3: you know Stephen Miller, by the way, who is not

471
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Speaker 3: an elected official and has no authority to say people

472
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Speaker 3: have immunity. I think he's going to be charged and

473
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 3: shielded and he's going to be prosecuted in Epsentia, meaning

474
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 3: that he's not going to be there for the trial,

475
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,120
Speaker 3: and he's going to be prosecuted anyway, with no defense,

476
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Speaker 3: no nothing. I think it's going to happen. And you know,

477
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 3: I mean through through the years, you know, we've had

478
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 3: our opportunities to have a lot of you know, correspondence

479
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 3: with lawyers and people in the field and whatnot, myself included,

480
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 3: and people that I trust in the law field or

481
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 3: what and whatnot are saying that that's very likely going

482
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Speaker 3: to happen. And that's the problem. The thing is, though,

483
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 3: it's just going to escalate things.

484
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Speaker 2: It's weirder. So I just want everybody to think for

485
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Speaker 2: a second, because I don't have the answer, but maybe

486
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,120
Speaker 2: collectively we do, because I do think there's an attempt

487
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 2: here to make us all a little crazed because like

488
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:31,879
Speaker 2: it's just a funny, it's just and by the way

489
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 2: it's working, it's okay, and that you're not you're one

490
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 2: hundred percent not. It's visceral, no matter where you sit

491
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 2: with any of this, it is so visceral. We watch

492
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Speaker 2: somebody die on television. This is the second person we've

493
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Speaker 2: seen that we've watched Charlie kirkdive. It was too much.

494
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 2: We're getting we're seeing too much. There's pedophilia every night?

495
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Speaker 2: Is that also stretching us to find it? The word

496
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 2: pedophilia not so scary suddenly because we're seeing it in

497
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Speaker 2: every case this alias he does. He does it with

498
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 2: seven and ten year old boys. Imagine that's a real pedophilia,

499
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,360
Speaker 2: can you imagine? So I just feel like there's something

500
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:13,199
Speaker 2: I'm going to simplify my point. I mean, let's go

501
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 2: back to the basics. Blake Lively and Justin Beldom, Oh gosh,

502
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 2: that case. Okay, So let's go with a little harmless example.

503
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 2: If the harmless example of that is. What we learned

504
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:28,120
Speaker 2: from that case, although still ongoing, is that smear campaigns

505
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 2: are real. The power of social media is ordinarily real.

506
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,639
Speaker 2: Did he exactly? So people are flooding us with this

507
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 2: side and flooding us with that side. We did a

508
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:43,959
Speaker 2: whole podcast in Cells about the algorithm. So you know,

509
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 2: if I'm like, I'm not sure about that guy, you

510
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 2: know what, my algorithm is going to be all dumb

511
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,479
Speaker 2: dumb things that that guy did in my head, and

512
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 2: vice versa. You're not sure about that guy, Okay, so

513
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 2: you're going to get all that information that's going to

514
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 2: feed your brain exactly what you want to hear. That

515
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 2: that person or that side is wrong. I know that's

516
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 2: happening to us. I know it is. And we know

517
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 2: that the mainstream media is also getting shut down. So

518
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 2: I'm confused by it. But the world seems upside down,

519
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,360
Speaker 2: and I think we all need to band together and

520
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 2: like not gets fun.

521
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:20,919
Speaker 3: Maybe, And you know, and to be fair, you know

522
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 3: it is possible. I've had my own interactions with ICE

523
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 3: agents that haven't been pleasant. Goodness, have you ever, Yeah, personally,

524
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,719
Speaker 3: but I know you personally. We have talked about it,

525
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 3: but like, yeah, very close and very important. Yeah, And

526
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 3: you know, and so I might have some sort of

527
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 3: confirmation bias working against me, right, I might, Or you.

528
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 2: Have the insider information that also is working with you.

529
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 3: You know there's some truth to that also, we all

530
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 3: I want to say very clearly and plainly low that

531
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Speaker 3: I don't want any of them to be harmed. Do

532
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? I mean, very clearly and plainly.

533
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 3: I believe in good trouble, right, I don't believe in

534
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 3: harming anyone. I don't believe in violence. I'm not a

535
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 3: violent person.

536
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 2: And you're a very very passing opposite. Yeah, but like

537
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 2: what is the difference between a peaceful protest and in

538
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 2: a riot? That's a great quess, is where I'm getting,

539
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 2: like country question. We have the January sixth rioters were peaceful.

540
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 2: Apparently some said they were not.

541
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Speaker 3: Some now it's and.

542
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 2: They were pardoned. But now there's like actually, like things

543
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 2: are getting rewritten as peaceful, right, well, what they say

544
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 2: it was that was the case.

545
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 3: It was like a tourist event, right, But.

546
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 2: When we were and then then Charlie Kirk thing he

547
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 2: was this was like he was assassinated in front of us.

548
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 2: Right now we're seeing a completely different side of the

549
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 2: angle here. But now we're seeing this young mom also

550
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 2: killed in front of us. You know, regardless of who

551
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 2: you think was justified or otherwise, you can't tell me

552
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 2: things are not escalating even from an optics. Oh sure,

553
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 2: it's like a really bad movie we're watching right now.

554
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 2: And I can tell you the movie is what I'm

555
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 2: most scared about, because again, I think we're all going

556
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 2: to like take our sides and feel torn in the middle,

557
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 2: and then that's going to be divisive again. And you

558
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 2: know what we need is a bad cough. You know,

559
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 2: like it's something weird is going to happen next. It's

560
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 2: like the playbook is so real.

561
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 3: Well, I maybe that that cough is Greenland.

562
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 2: That cough might be Greenland. Yeah, touche.

563
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 3: I don't know what were you gonna say, pork.

564
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 5: Just even the Minneapolis mayor, Jacob Frye, he changed, He

565
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 5: had a pretty market change in his tone. When Renee

566
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 5: Renee Good was shot a week ago by an ICE officer,

567
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 5: which was the first shooting we were referring to, he

568
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 5: plainly said, get the to the federal government, get the

569
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 5: f out of my It wasn't.

570
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 3: Totally helpful language though, either.

571
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Speaker 5: And now he is saying he is calling for peace

572
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 5: amid these escalating protests better and just saying that everyone

573
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 5: has a role in achieving that piece.

574
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 2: We're going to try and do everything we can to

575
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 2: keep it. That's good.

576
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 3: And I think Tim Waltz said something too. I think

577
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 3: he addressed President Trump directly and said let's tone down

578
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 3: the rhetoric on both sides.

579
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 2: Either where Tim Wats was running for vice president against

580
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 2: Trump at some point, so you know, he's their conditioned

581
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 2: to be a little extra with each other. They were

582
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 2: on the campaign trail together for quite some time, right,

583
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 2: So we can't fall into that trap either. You're absolutely right,

584
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 2: well that was he did. But we love the talkbacks.

585
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 2: Keep them coming. In fact, that's good to one right now.

586
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 8: Hi, this is Kim in Kentucky discussing the gentleman who's

587
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 8: on trial for not acting in the school shooting. It

588
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 8: is a very hard topic. My fear is that if

589
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 8: he then gets in trouble for this, it'll make more

590
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 8: officers gung ho, and then we're going to have more

591
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 8: issues George Floyd, I, etc.

592
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: God.

593
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 2: I never thought about that, so they neither. It's a

594
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 2: good observation, meaning I think what she's saying, which is

595
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 2: a really good point in this very heightened time where,

596
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 2: by the way, we're seeing it in Minnesota where law

597
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,959
Speaker 2: enforcement police officers, you know, they've had enough going on.

598
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 2: They are trying to solve crimes. So if people are

599
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 2: piling on and being like, oh, you guys are this, this,

600
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 2: and this, but they're saying that toward maybe Ice. I'm

601
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 2: not saying that, but that's what's being said. Actually I

602
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 2: am saying that I don't I don't like the optics

603
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 2: of this and the police officers are taking the heat

604
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 2: so in nothing to do with right of course, of course,

605
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 2: they're just you know, keeping us safe in this world.

606
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 2: And then here you are you have Uvaldi, this security

607
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 2: officer who's now going to be held you know air quotes,

608
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 2: potentially allegedly responsible for all of this sadness and devastation.

609
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 2: Is that going to cause an uprising from law enforcement

610
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 2: to say, like what spot are you putting us in?

611
00:32:59,520 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 5: Right?

612
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 2: Because like all this craziness does add tension against law

613
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 2: enforcement as well, which I'm worried for. And I don't

614
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 2: want that. You don't want it on any side.

615
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 5: No, No, but I mean I think and I hear

616
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 5: the point. I understand the point now. But even last

617
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 5: night when we were speaking, for example of when we

618
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 5: were talking to Jared about what's difference between Haamless Smart

619
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Speaker 5: and Gypsy Rose. They were both manipulators and people killed

620
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 5: at their behest and he said, you know, every case

621
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Speaker 5: needs to be looked at individually.

622
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 2: The Uvaldi is its own case. I mean, I hear,

623
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Speaker 2: maybe lump together time you nobody like DMS I get

624
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,239
Speaker 2: from yesteryear A buddies from high school who are in

625
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 2: law enforcement that are like carefully. You don't talk about

626
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 2: ICE as because it's like there's this they're getting lumped.

627
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're getting lumped because people think people think ICE

628
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 3: is the police and they're not.

629
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Speaker 2: They're also not fair, they're not and the die isn't

630
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 2: I mean.

631
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Speaker 3: Right, And so I mean in this guy was a

632
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 3: school resource officer, which is the police, right, because you

633
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 3: know the they're recognized as police. And I can see

634
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 3: where the talkback's coming from, like is the police department

635
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 3: going to take the brunt for it? And because people mistakenly,

636
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 3: you know, mix the police with ice, is ICE going

637
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,800
Speaker 3: to kind of you know, get more aggressive?

638
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:32,399
Speaker 4: Right?

639
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's and.

640
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 5: This may be part of the crazy making because that

641
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,240
Speaker 5: me is like painting with a brush. It is broad

642
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,800
Speaker 5: enough to cover a neighborhood versus a gate post.

643
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 2: Is what we're talking about now.

644
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 5: And it's overreactions, you know what I mean, I do

645
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 5: I do well, And that you know, the police chief

646
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 5: is also going to have his own trial, so it's

647
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 5: another layer with the police chief.

648
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 2: Right of that really good also, and by the way,

649
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Speaker 2: you're now Devil's advocate. Now you you've dedicated your career,

650
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 2: you're training all things to being in law enforcement and

651
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 2: you walk the streets and you're trying to keep everybody safe,

652
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 2: and in this exact moment, now you're at the security

653
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Speaker 2: guard at the school. I shouldn't say security guard. He's

654
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Speaker 2: a police officer. He's resigned to this who's been through training.

655
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Speaker 2: In my head, I'm like, this guy's not been through

656
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Speaker 2: training in real time recently, because when put in that position,

657
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Speaker 2: it appears he was not capable of remembering what to

658
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Speaker 2: do in any capacity. Now he's saying that I was

659
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Speaker 2: doing something different. I was looking after my troop. I

660
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 2: didn't realize I had looking after one another. That's a

661
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Speaker 2: little different, too. Oh complicated.

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Speaker 3: It's very complicated, it is, And I think that God,

663
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Speaker 3: that was a great talkback. I mean, it really makes

664
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Speaker 3: us think, right, And that's the kind of talkback I

665
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Speaker 3: just love because.

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Speaker 2: Now you think about it all night. I don't have

667
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 2: the answer, but we should all ruminate on it. We should.

668
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Speaker 2: Let's go to another talk about keep them coming. Hi, y'all.

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Speaker 9: Robin from San Antonio, in regards to the rob Elementary

670
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Speaker 9: School shooting. We were talking about how there could be

671
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Speaker 9: a positive change in training and respond by law enforcement.

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Speaker 9: Just want to let y'all know that the Senate Bill

673
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Speaker 9: eighteen fifty two, passed in twenty three, required bi annual

674
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Speaker 9: training for officers in active shooter situations, and another one

675
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Speaker 9: recently in twenty five, Bill thirty three, which set some

676
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Speaker 9: further guidelines.

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Speaker 3: That's great, in such good into right. So HB thirty

678
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Speaker 3: three is the Uvaldi Act. I think that's what it's called. Uh,

679
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Speaker 3: you've all the Strong Act. I'm sorry I said it wrong.

680
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Speaker 2: Were you ay?

681
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,879
Speaker 3: Strong Act? And yeah, it passed in twenty twenty five

682
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 3: to fix those systemic failures in training. So they are,

683
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 3: they are being proactive. It does seem right when that's comforting,

684
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Speaker 3: not that that is happening. But by the way, shout

685
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Speaker 3: out to our two back to back smarty I know acts.

686
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Speaker 2: Thank you for them. We don't have to be a

687
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 2: smarting bands to give a talkback, but we do have

688
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 2: such a smart audience that just knows how to look

689
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 2: at things from a different angle. And I'm so inspired.

690
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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, that was a really good talk back. In

691
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Speaker 3: the HB thirty three, which was again the Volle Strong Act,

692
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Speaker 3: is supposed to improve coordination. They're mandating better communication in

693
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Speaker 3: unified command between different law enforcement agencies, because that's another

694
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Speaker 3: problem too, Right, You've got maybe the PD and the

695
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:37,919
Speaker 3: sheriff arriving, right, those are two different entities and differently, yeah,

696
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:43,280
Speaker 3: different vibes to So imagine being walking into the first.

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Speaker 2: Day of school in the rangers too, yeah, exactly, and

698
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 2: then the rangers like where everyone's in a weird standoff,

699
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Speaker 2: nobody knows what, no one's.

700
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Speaker 3: In charge before, what's going on. So this bill is

701
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Speaker 3: supposed to like standardize a communication between those agencies and

702
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:03,280
Speaker 3: require schools to implement more like safety measures, robust safety

703
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:07,959
Speaker 3: measures including fortified entryways and updated emergency plans.

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Speaker 6: So, and on the heels of that, the bill eighteen

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Speaker 6: fifty two that she.

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Speaker 4: Talked about, the one in twenty twenty three, correct.

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Speaker 6: That's the Texas Texas Active Shooter of Training that now

708
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Speaker 6: requires Texas Peace officers to complete mandatory active shoot shooter

709
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Speaker 6: response training is part of their education and training is

710
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Speaker 6: typically at least sixteen hours based on their program. And

711
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 6: it's passed in response to concerns about law enforcement delays,

712
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Speaker 6: coordination failures, and particularly after Uvalde. So you know, we're

713
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Speaker 6: saying yesterday to adopt that agreed, like if they do that,

714
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 6: But yesterday we were saying, like, you know, what can

715
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Speaker 6: come out of going after this one individual legally or criminally.

716
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Speaker 4: Maybe these are some examples of like, you know, if.

717
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Speaker 6: Something, if this person is prosecuted for what he's done,

718
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Speaker 6: a lot of new bills may go into effect that

719
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Speaker 6: can have a ripple effect to change everything along the way.

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Speaker 4: Hopefully.

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Speaker 3: I just can't help but have a little bit of

722
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Speaker 3: empathy for this guy a little bit, and I know

723
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Speaker 3: I'm probably gonna get beat up for this.

724
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Speaker 2: I was on that side of it, like every day,

725
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,839
Speaker 2: we always switch. Initially, I was like, I feel bad,

726
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Speaker 2: this guy's taking the fall for everybody.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

728
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Speaker 2: I saw four hundred officers. Everyone was like, I don't

729
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 2: know who's got it. Everyone was on first, but nobody

730
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 2: was on first. And in this case, it wasn't a comedy.

731
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Speaker 2: It was real children and school teachers losing their lives

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Speaker 2: for an inornimate amount of time. I don't want to

733
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Speaker 2: throw more gas from the fire, but like, it is

734
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Speaker 2: an a reasonable lapse at every possible way. They had

735
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Speaker 2: a misfunction at the door. It wasn't closed properly. They

736
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Speaker 2: had the first responders there didn't know how to respond. First,

737
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 2: they were bumping into each other and they were maybe

738
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Speaker 2: like looking out for each other. Maybe they had trained

739
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Speaker 2: that in the weird room down the street, but like

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Speaker 2: the real time experience appears hadn't been felt before, thankfully.

741
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Speaker 3: And I think that's the key what you just said,

742
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Speaker 3: Like the real time experience, right, like, because I think

743
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Speaker 3: training is all well and good, but when it really

744
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Speaker 3: happens and you freeze, like, I don't think, how do

745
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Speaker 3: you plan for that?

746
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Speaker 2: How do you you don't It's like Keeve be doing

747
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Speaker 2: a TV show. We plan for a million things, this

748
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Speaker 2: is what's going to happen, and by the way, none

749
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Speaker 2: of that happened. None of you have all of like

750
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Speaker 2: the things in place. This is the worst example. I'm

751
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Speaker 2: literally taking the dumbest example. Just know that I recognize this.

752
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Speaker 2: But just for our brains, you know, you can practice

753
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Speaker 2: all day and then the real time of it is

754
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Speaker 2: it is something very different. You can imagine even just

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Speaker 2: our you know, our military at war.

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Speaker 6: But I mean, I agree with you and I understand that,

757
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Speaker 6: but like when it really happens, that's that's kind of

758
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 6: a lame excuse. Like, you know, I want someone to

759
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Speaker 6: protect me when this goes, if you're in.

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Speaker 2: The military, though, I believe you're doing some training with

761
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Speaker 2: things that are exploding.

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Speaker 3: They that was backing self initially, and that's the word.

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Speaker 2: That was looking around like he didn't know what he

764
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Speaker 2: looked like the news bear.

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Speaker 3: Honestly, in the military you have like your your unit

766
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Speaker 3: and everybody's kind of piping up. And this guy was

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Speaker 3: by himself initially. And I think that's where the case

768
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Speaker 3: is is when he was alone, without you know, all

769
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Speaker 3: those officers and whatnot, he.

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Speaker 2: Was going he would have and he we're all saying,

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Speaker 2: you should have died on a vine, right, well, people,

772
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 2: so that is sort of at its core, right we're saying, listen,

773
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Speaker 2: you had a little bit more of an ability to

774
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Speaker 2: be a hero here, and he joked that you didn't

775
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 2: the potential allegedly. And this is what I was. This

776
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Speaker 2: is my assumption that in his head he workness his

777
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Speaker 2: own life and his own family and was like, what the.

778
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Speaker 3: And he didn't do the right thing.

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Speaker 2: But to who perspective would say, his child might say differently,

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Speaker 2: you know, just it's all ugh.

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Speaker 5: But the case isn't just only unless I'm wrong. When

782
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Speaker 5: he at the very very beginning, because when he was

783
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Speaker 5: talking about we were all looking out for each other.

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Speaker 3: They played that testimony from like Athink his deposition, talking

785
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Speaker 3: about the entire day, and I feel like that was

786
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 3: all under suspicions when I mean, when this first happened,

787
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,479
Speaker 3: he was alone, right, And I think I think the

788
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 3: the initial accusation is that he didn't act initially, and

789
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Speaker 3: he didn't and he didn't painful.

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Speaker 6: A couple officers show up later for right seven minutes.

791
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Speaker 3: Seventy seven minutes. Who's in charge?

792
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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, we're getting out of this car. We

793
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 2: got to, you know, stand up here like you know,

794
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 2: this is like a drill that you just that was

795
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Speaker 2: first time game day.

796
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Speaker 3: So for those who don't know what we're talking about,

797
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Speaker 3: because we have kind of just jumped into it into it,

798
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Speaker 3: we're talking about defendant Adrian Gonzalez. He has pled not

799
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Speaker 3: guilty to twenty nine counts of child endangerment for allegedly

800
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Speaker 3: failing to act during the May fourth of twenty twenty

801
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Speaker 3: two rob elementary school shooting, which killed nineteen students and

802
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Speaker 3: two teachers.

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Speaker 5: UH.

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Speaker 3: The investigations highlighted a seventy seven minute delay in police response,

805
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Speaker 3: making this only the second case in US history where

806
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Speaker 3: a law enforcement officer faces criminal charges for their conduct

807
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Speaker 3: during a school massacre. The first one was Parkland and

808
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,320
Speaker 3: he was quitted or yeah, I mean it's.

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Speaker 2: Not like he would He took a gun out and

810
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 2: started shooting. He and I choked. I feel a little

811
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 2: bit bad. I know that he shouldn't have. And I

812
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 2: know nineteen mothers and nineteen fathers want this man in

813
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 2: their right. Of course, I get it, and I don't

814
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 2: get it. I I just it's brutal, and then teachers,

815
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Speaker 2: it's all very brutal.

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Speaker 3: It's a good that.

817
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Speaker 2: We're talking about it, though, because again, like what would

818
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Speaker 2: you do? Sometimes just talking that through you might actually

819
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,359
Speaker 2: do the right thing or air quotes the right thing

820
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:54,839
Speaker 2: depends who you ask in the moment when it's go time, right,

821
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Speaker 2: you know, are you the guy that runs in front

822
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Speaker 2: of the car to say the little girl or are

823
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Speaker 2: you the guy with your own little girl that doesn't

824
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 2: want to get hit by a car because you got

825
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Speaker 2: to go home at night because you're a single dad.

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 6: Well, this definitely resonated with our listeners, and we have

828
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Speaker 6: one more talk back that this one really made my

829
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Speaker 6: wheels turns. I'm curious what you guys think about this one.

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Speaker 10: Hi, ladies, In terms of the Uvaldi School resource officer,

831
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Speaker 10: I have been pondering because I'm trying to, you know,

832
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Speaker 10: pick my stance on this, and I can't think of another.

833
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Speaker 11: Career or job where if you don't do good enough

834
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 11: you get criminally charged. And I know that there was

835
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Speaker 11: a big fallout from this, but to hang it all

836
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Speaker 11: on one single man, I can't think. I mean, doctors

837
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Speaker 11: don't get criminally charged. They have malpractice Suits's.

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Speaker 2: A good point. And by the way, it's hard to

839
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 2: say this in the context of nineteen children and two teachers. Right,

840
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Speaker 2: So it's like a crazy conversation that we're having in

841
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 2: the first place because it's so intense, the stakes are

842
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 2: so high, but nothing's bringing that back. I don't know.

843
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 2: I don't know what I would say if I was

844
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 2: if I was one of the parents, I'd be like,

845
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 2: lock them up. I'm sure I can only imagine I

846
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 2: would do. I can literally only pretend to imagine and

847
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 2: that experience.

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Speaker 3: I don't think if he's convicted, it's going to help

849
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 3: other cops either, right, No, it's not going to.

850
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 5: Help the parents unless it leads to more training than

851
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 5: other laws and brings that anyway already according to the

852
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 5: incrementally it is. But I think we can all agree

853
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 5: not a freak enough. Yeah, and it's going now we're

854
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 5: gonna get sucking.

855
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,919
Speaker 2: No, No, I think this is a training thing.

856
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 3: Maybe they need to have two school resource officers together

857
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 3: all time at all times. Right, that's good because maybe

858
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 3: if he had somebody with him kind of like pumping

859
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 3: him up, they would have been able to do this.

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Speaker 2: I'll do that for sure. I imagine us together, the

861
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 2: three of us would conquer every thing by ourselves individually.

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00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 3: It must be really scary. Yeah, right, I don't know

863
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 3: the answer either, And I just that was a really

864
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Speaker 3: good talk backet, like, thank you for that, because yeah,

865
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Speaker 3: you're right. I can't think of another. If you know one,

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Speaker 3: let us know eighty eight thirty one crime, right, Like

867
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Speaker 3: is there another?

868
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Speaker 2: I love you, guys. A tough thing to talk about.

869
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Speaker 2: It's tough.

870
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Speaker 3: It's really hard because on one hand you feel empathetic,

871
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 3: but then the other hand you're like, yeah, there's nineteen kids,

872
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 3: yeah exactly, and two teachers come on to tend to.

873
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, that one.

874
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 4: I went to sleep almost crying over that one.

875
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 2: Still like I felt sick about it a little bit,

876
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 2: you know, not a little bit, a lot of it,

877
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:38,919
Speaker 2: and you know, our hearts again or with anybody who's

878
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 2: been affected in it. My way, that list is very,

879
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:45,399
Speaker 2: very long because you've all these not alone. Yeah they're

880
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 2: not well.

881
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Speaker 5: Stick around because at the top of the hour, we're

882
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 5: going to talk about the case where the pair is

883
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 5: testifying about a stage murder plot and we have a

884
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 5: deep dive into Peter Teal and his connection to Epstein.

885
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 5: We'd love to hear from you as well, so you

886
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 5: can always give us a call. Eight to day, three

887
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 5: to one crime, True Crime Tonight.

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00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

889
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here with

890
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 2: my amazing true crime ladies, Courtney Armstrong and Body Move,

891
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 2: and of course we have producer Taha and Sam you know,

892
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 2: kind of flying solo right now in the control room

893
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 2: is but he's for a hot second, yes, holding down

894
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,799
Speaker 2: the fort. Dare I say we've got this, We've got

895
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Speaker 2: that yeat. By the way, Sam and Adam are in

896
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 2: the control room and listen, we want to hear from you.

897
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 2: Eight eight A to three one crime and you can

898
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 2: always leave us a talk back, Courtney. Where should we

899
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 2: go from here.

900
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 5: Well, we should get back into the Bamfield trial.

901
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 2: Yeez. So today was.

902
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 5: Day three and if you're not totally caught up, forty

903
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:10,720
Speaker 5: year old Brendan Banfield stands accused of murdering his wife,

904
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:14,919
Speaker 5: Christine Banfield, who was thirty seven, and a man named

905
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:18,280
Speaker 5: Joseph Ryan, who's thirty nine years old.

906
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 2: He was a stranger to Brendan Banfield.

907
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 5: So the allegation from prosecutors is that the defendant lured

908
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,839
Speaker 5: victim Joseph Ryan to his home and it was under

909
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 5: the guise of sexual role playing, a rape fantasy, and

910
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 5: he did this in order to create a pretext to

911
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 5: kill victim Joseph Ryan and frame him for his wife's

912
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 5: death right And because ultimately Brendan Banfield, who was having

913
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:52,720
Speaker 5: an affair with the nanny.

914
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 2: We called her an no pair. You've turned her into

915
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 2: a nanny. Let's go back to the O pair affair,

916
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:02,439
Speaker 2: so much more sinister. The nanny makes her seem young,

917
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,760
Speaker 2: she seems like she's up to no good, and she's

918
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 2: an O pair.

919
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 4: She is, yes, the.

920
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 5: Pair having the affair, and this a pair is the

921
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 5: key witness in the case. She took a plea deal

922
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 5: and she's twenty five years old. Her name is Juliana macgullis. Yeah,

923
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 5: Juliana has no shame in her game either. I was

924
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 5: like captivated by her.

925
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 2: I've seen her now, I've just watched her speak and honestly,

926
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 2: like it is not with any level of stress. Apparently

927
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 2: she talks like she's talking about her you know, her

928
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 2: her travel plans to the DMV and back.

929
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, her demeanor is curious.

930
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 2: It is true.

931
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 3: Right when I walk about the total cold and serious glib.

932
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:57,760
Speaker 3: If she she's like, is she disassociated?

933
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 2: I'm like you you are a part of a very

934
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 2: real murder by When she did the final shot. By

935
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 2: the way, at one point she said that dad, you know,

936
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,760
Speaker 2: the husband wasn't really moving after they thought he was dead,

937
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 2: and she was the final shot, correct she do you

938
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 2: know how the guy they led that is he was lingering,

939
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 2: He was alive, he was struggling in this A pair

940
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 2: had the wherewithal and the stress of it to be like, yeah,

941
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 2: we were trying to say, like, dude, the guy's still alive.

942
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 2: And then she takes the final shot.

943
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I mean, she was well primed for it

944
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 5: because the defendant, Brendan Banfield, had brought her to the

945
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 5: shooting range to train in advance of this planned double killing.

946
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 5: So the pair testified that she indeed helped Brendan Banfield

947
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 5: set up the entire scheme of embroiling the stranger Joseph Ryan,

948
00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:01,840
Speaker 5: to come over, and they coordinated movements. She helped coordinate

949
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 5: movements on the day of the killings and the defense Meanwhile,

950
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 5: kind of their entire argument is that this will payer

951
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 5: is unreliable, that she was maybe coerced though, suggestion that

952
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 5: she's potentially financially motivated or has been influenced by prosecutors.

953
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 2: Well, she's motivated to get less of a sentence, let's

954
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 2: start there, because she was out of crime scene, participated

955
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 2: in the crime, and did a final shot. So she's

956
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 2: on the bad guy list and she has to live

957
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:36,760
Speaker 2: with herself at this point. But I believe she's turning

958
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 2: in her testimony for favor. Correct she pled out to

959
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 2: a lesser sentence. Yes, yes, that's exactly right. There is

960
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 2: no price to add greater than pleading out and consume

961
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 2: years of freedom. Yeah, by the way, she's saying this

962
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 2: to her ex and again this guy he's this guy's like,

963
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 2: oh yeah, I don't want to pay I don't want

964
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:56,880
Speaker 2: to pay child support. I don't want to have to

965
00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 2: go through a divorce. Who does, sir, which one of

966
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 2: us in this entire world would like to go through

967
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 2: a divorce?

968
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:06,720
Speaker 3: I had a really horrible life him if he doesn't

969
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 3: want to pay child support or go through a divorce,

970
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 3: And don't cheat on.

971
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 2: Your wife exactly, but you be a stand up man

972
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 2: and provide for your family and make their lives better.

973
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 2: But instead you're gonna have an affair with the old pair.

974
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:22,800
Speaker 2: You take off your wife, so you've now eliminated mom

975
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 2: and your kids are going to grow up with that story.

976
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 2: Now unbelievable. By the way, look at this guy. If

977
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 2: you see him in court this you're just like, really,

978
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 2: this is the guys And he's giving like looks to

979
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 2: the O pair too, who's like literally testifying against him

980
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 2: at this point, live in the same room. They're sharing air,

981
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:45,839
Speaker 2: so pretty like intense and toxic and wild. She's looking down,

982
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 2: she's wearing the weird glasses because she's looking like the

983
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 2: smarty pants now much like.

984
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 4: Giving us.

985
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 2: I'm like, where is the handstand. Next thing we know,

986
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 2: she's going to be singing in the Christmas choir and

987
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 2: doing handstands during her interview, start right, am, I right, No,

988
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:02,319
Speaker 2: you're right.

989
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 5: Oh it's a very yes, very Oh my gosh, I was.

990
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 5: I had assumed that this would have been a long, going,

991
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 5: long brewing affair between the defendant and the up air.

992
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 2: It was two months long.

993
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 5: So according to her testimony, she began working at the

994
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 5: Bamfields remember for this defendantion right now missus Wrandfield Hires

995
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 5: hired her and began a sexual affair in August of

996
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 5: Day twenty twenty two. Yeah, and then per testimony, she

997
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 5: said that Brendan shared the plan by October of that

998
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 5: same year. That's two months. Two months in He's like, hey,

999
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 5: let's get rid of my wife. And by the way,

1000
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 5: let's set up a The kink site was called fet life,

1001
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 5: so he set up a fet life profile. It was

1002
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:04,360
Speaker 5: Anastasia nine was the name of it, and created what

1003
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 5: he created on his wife's laptop to start the ball

1004
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:13,240
Speaker 5: rolling to you know, for this entire double murderer plotter,

1005
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 5: double killing.

1006
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 6: But he was the long game with the two like

1007
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 6: was it like we're going to get rid of her.

1008
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 6: Now you and I are going to raise these kids together.

1009
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 4: And a good.

1010
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:27,359
Speaker 5: Question is such a good question, taha. I don't know that.

1011
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:29,840
Speaker 5: We haven't gotten that long into the game. It was

1012
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 5: just she does not seem that in love with him.

1013
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:36,280
Speaker 2: First of all, she is like a trained she seems

1014
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 2: like an assassin, Like she sort of speaks about this

1015
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 2: like it's so matter of fact, it's unnerving.

1016
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 3: And then you see the guy, the husband, You're like,

1017
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:45,439
Speaker 3: this is the guy.

1018
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 2: This guy's getting a lot of tail, and he should

1019
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 2: just spend the rest of his days behind bars.

1020
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 5: We should all agree that, yeah, absolutely, assuming guilt. And

1021
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:59,319
Speaker 5: I kind of at this point, I kind of don't

1022
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 5: know how you know that. I know, I'm always like,

1023
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:03,280
Speaker 5: let's see how.

1024
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 2: Justice for all. First, you know, we don't try him.

1025
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:10,839
Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's particularly sinister what they did. I mean,

1026
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:14,239
Speaker 3: if you think absolutely, I mean, they lured this guy over.

1027
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:16,880
Speaker 3: They told him, you know, that they wanted like a

1028
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 3: rape fantasy, right and to bring a knife in chains

1029
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 3: so that it looked like when he got murdered, that

1030
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 3: it was a rape fan that it was a real

1031
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:30,279
Speaker 3: like break in slash rape, and that they were just

1032
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 3: self defending themselves, right, I mean this was particularly sinister.

1033
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 2: Absolutely, he's an innoctant bystander, say what you want. This

1034
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 2: guy is just a guy trying to like make on

1035
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 2: a trick and shows up to these kooks that are

1036
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 2: looking to just kill him from juts. It's so scary,

1037
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 2: like this person probably had a ton of people who

1038
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 2: loved him and who miss him, and he was just

1039
00:55:55,600 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 2: ugh tossing their way, right, you know, it's it is terrible.

1040
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 5: So this and the last thing on that topic is

1041
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:12,439
Speaker 5: that he made sure that his wife's last moments were

1042
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 5: sheer terror because Christine Banfield, now dead, believed that a

1043
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 5: home intruder came into her house with a knife and

1044
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,280
Speaker 5: was absolutely terrified.

1045
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 2: And so it is it's just sinister.

1046
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:30,840
Speaker 5: Anyway, There's lots more of the trial to get into,

1047
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 5: but let's talk about the formal dentist assistant.

1048
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:39,280
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, you guys, this story is in smorifying. Also,

1049
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:43,239
Speaker 3: this one is okay. I don't know where all these

1050
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 3: dentist stories are coming from and out of the woodwork lately,

1051
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 3: but this one is one for the books. So a

1052
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:52,359
Speaker 3: former dental assistant someone patients trust while you're unconscious in

1053
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 3: the chair has now pled guilty to sexually assaulting patients

1054
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:59,359
Speaker 3: while they were sedated. So you come in for your

1055
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 3: dental cleaning, maybe it's like one of those really like

1056
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 3: deep cleanings. You get kind of sedated in these sexually

1057
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 3: assaulting these people in the chair goodness. Prosecutors say this

1058
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:11,520
Speaker 3: isn't a one off, but a pattern of abuse carried

1059
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 3: out during routine dental procedures when victims were totally defenseless

1060
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 3: and unaware. The accused in this the dental assistant. His

1061
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 3: name is Cody Stofla. He admitted in court to crimes.

1062
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 3: Investigators say, we're only uncovered after listen to this disturbing

1063
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 3: digital evidence surfaced, so he's filming it.

1064
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 4: Film.

1065
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 3: This is crazy. So he faces thirty felony charges, including

1066
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 3: sexual battery, forceble sodomy, and cleandestine recording. Prosecutors say Cody

1067
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:49,479
Speaker 3: Stulfa assaulted patients while they were under anesthesia or heavy

1068
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 3: sedation during dental procedures, so this is how they uncovered everything.

1069
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 2: It began.

1070
00:57:55,120 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 3: The investigation began after video evidence surfaced online, prompting a

1071
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:04,920
Speaker 3: law enforcement tip. Authorities say at least one video showeding

1072
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 3: the accused in this case, Cody Stulfa assaulting an unconscious

1073
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 3: patient was shared on the telegram app, leading investcators to him.

1074
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 3: So a telegram app is just like a chat okay,

1075
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 3: and it's like encrypted and people think it's real secure

1076
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 3: and whatnot.

1077
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 2: It's not.

1078
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Speaker 3: It's so well okay, nothing is a search of his

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00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 3: devices uncovered dozens of additional videos, allowing detectives to identify

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Speaker 3: victims and establish a pattern. Imagine you get a phone

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00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 3: call from a cop and it's like, hey, remember that

1082
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Speaker 3: you know cleaning you had done.

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Speaker 2: Six months ago.

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Speaker 3: Many of the victims were unaware anything had happened to

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Speaker 3: them until they were contacted. The case underscores how sedation

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Speaker 3: leaves patients uniquely vulnerable and unable to report. And who's

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00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 3: alone with a sedated patient?

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Speaker 2: Right? Like I feel so every time I've been sedated,

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Speaker 2: which has been many times, actually there's like a team

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Speaker 2: of people who's alone.

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Speaker 6: I thought that was a little look gumb like you

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Speaker 6: always have to because a couple of times that.

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Speaker 2: Happen our audience. If you find yourself like your doctor

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00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 2: or your nurse is saying like, hey, it's just you

1095
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 2: and me and I'm gonna sedate you.

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00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 3: That's not how it should be.

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00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 2: Usually there's an anesthesiologist first of all, who's nearby. That's one.

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00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:23,920
Speaker 2: By the way, we saw this with Joan Rivers, though,

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00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:27,440
Speaker 2: our beloved Joan Rivers, who for separate matters, went in

1100
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 2: for surgery and died, right, right, Like, how does that happen?

1101
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 2: Because you need a team, you need multiple checks and balances,

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Speaker 2: so never go under.

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Speaker 3: Never go under alone. Right, So this is really this

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00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 3: is like a really sad point. Investigators say, some of

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Speaker 3: those victims were miners.

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Speaker 4: God, I thought we'd have one day without.

1107
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Speaker 3: One day without it, right, do we have one day?

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Speaker 2: Have one day?

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Speaker 12: One?

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Speaker 3: It's very very awful. So it's it's raised a lot

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Speaker 3: of concerns and questions about oversight and safeguards in medical

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00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 3: and dental settings. So he entered this this blind guilty plea,

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01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 3: leaving sentencing up to the judge. The prosecutors are expecting

1114
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 3: to see a lengthy prison sentence citing the scale and

1115
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 3: the abuse and a breach of trust. He remains in

1116
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Speaker 3: custody while awaiting sentencing now. And the thing that's so

1117
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 3: obviously it's entirely violating, right, but these were unconscious people

1118
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 3: because he was assaulting and not only was he assaulting them,

1119
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:25,320
Speaker 3: he was recording it and then shared it with his

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01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 3: buddies and was disgusting telegram chat. But the good news

1121
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Speaker 3: is that somebody was like, oh, this is not good

1122
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:35,480
Speaker 3: and reported it right, So cheers to you citizen for

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01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 3: you know, being like, no, this has just gone too far,

1124
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:38,960
Speaker 3: you know, like this is not what I came in

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Speaker 3: the chat for or whatever.

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Speaker 6: And it's definitely like I always assume there's two people,

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01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 6: but I could see this shady character, like, you know,

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Speaker 6: there might be two people with my NUR.

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Speaker 2: Today it's been one of those days.

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Speaker 4: More people called out, go take a break.

1131
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:57,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, you take a break, and then but no, you

1132
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Speaker 2: always want more than one person.

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Speaker 3: And you know, I don't want the listeners and our

1134
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:04,120
Speaker 3: audience to be like, oh, I don't ever want to

1135
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Speaker 3: go to the doctor. This is incredibly rare.

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Speaker 2: You know that.

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Speaker 3: We pulled up some stats and sexual misconduct by medical

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Speaker 3: professionals is incredibly rare, about ten reports per one hundred

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01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:20,720
Speaker 3: thousand license providers per year, and experts estimate fewer than

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01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:23,959
Speaker 3: one in ten victims of medical sexual abuse ever even

1141
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:27,520
Speaker 3: report it. So that's kind that's kind of not a

1142
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:31,800
Speaker 3: good thing. Over nearly two decades, fewer than three thousand

1143
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:34,959
Speaker 3: US doctors were disciplined for sexual misconduct, which is really

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01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 3: only a tiny, tiny fraction.

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Speaker 6: It makes me feel better, but I'm still going to

1146
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:42,400
Speaker 6: look at my dentist and doctor with a side eye.

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01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:45,560
Speaker 3: Before I just would say, listen, doctor, I would love

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01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 3: it if a nurse was with us, yeah, or something.

1149
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 3: And if you know, and if they give you feedback

1150
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 3: where you know that's not positive, maybe you need to

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01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:55,240
Speaker 3: find another dentist.

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01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 2: No, that's exactly right. Listen to your gut. But by

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01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:01,400
Speaker 2: the way, imagine your gut. You're somebody who's going to

1154
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:03,440
Speaker 2: the dentist. You're already a little bit nervous. You get

1155
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:04,840
Speaker 2: a bad feeling. What are you going to say, Oh,

1156
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:08,160
Speaker 2: I have a bad feeling. I want to try something else. No,

1157
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 2: you get you you follow along because you think you're

1158
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:12,360
Speaker 2: thinking crazy.

1159
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 3: If your gut is.

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01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 2: Saying something, you get a spidy sense. Listen to it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: The weirder part to me, like minors, they didn't say

1163
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Speaker 6: how old, but like now, they didn't parents leave their

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Speaker 6: children alone with the dentist.

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Speaker 4: I would assume you were kind of sitting there.

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Speaker 3: I was always alone with the dentist. And yeah, I

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Speaker 3: mean when I was a kid, my mom was never there.

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Speaker 2: I don't think today.

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I don't have children at all anymore. What do you

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01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 3: what do you guys do?

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Speaker 2: Do you guys? Stay in the room? Yeah, I parent?

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Speaker 5: Okay, Well listen, stick around, just like Stephanie helicoptering around

1174
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:46,959
Speaker 5: because we are going to get into Epstein's money, Peter

1175
01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 5: Thiel's tech empire, and how power and surveillance intersect. Keep

1176
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:55,440
Speaker 5: it here on True Crime Tonight, we are talking true crime.

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01:02:55,320 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 4: All the time.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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Speaker 2: true crime all the time on the staff here with

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Speaker 2: Courtney and Body. By the way, thank you for the talkbacks.

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Speaker 2: Keep them coming, keep them coming. In fact, let's go

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Speaker 2: to one right now.

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01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:25,920
Speaker 12: You're charged with murder because you shot someone? Am I wrong?

1184
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:27,560
Speaker 7: Why not?

1185
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 12: And so why would you deserve something because of that?

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01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:34,080
Speaker 11: Not?

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Speaker 2: Because of that?

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01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:39,160
Speaker 12: Why didn't say that I deserve something because of what

1189
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:41,600
Speaker 12: I did? I didn't. I didn't hear any details.

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Speaker 4: So feel free to tell me why after when this

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01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:49,200
Speaker 4: is over for me and my family. So that was

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Speaker 4: just you guys, That was we're talking about the.

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Speaker 2: Ok can we just take that in How oblivious is

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01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 2: the O pair? Right? So listen, I thought it was

1195
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 2: a talkback, but no, it actually reinforces what we were

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01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 2: just talking about. That is the AU pair who put

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Speaker 2: she put the final shot into the husband, by the way,

1198
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:15,840
Speaker 2: and was like, yeah, let's just you know, hang around

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Speaker 2: into wasn't into the husband. It was the final shot

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Speaker 2: into the guy that they lured over. They lured over

1201
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:27,280
Speaker 2: the second Joseph going over there, Joseph Ryan, who was

1202
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:30,680
Speaker 2: just going over there because he was trusting and believed

1203
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:34,040
Speaker 2: that they were good people. She puts the final shot

1204
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:39,560
Speaker 2: in his Oh okay, so, by the way, that's her testimony.

1205
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Speaker 5: Yes, So that was her being questioned on the stand

1206
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 5: about her potential motive. So this alp air had to discuss,

1207
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 5: as we heard an open court that she was asked

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Speaker 5: to sell her story for ten figures.

1209
01:04:57,560 --> 01:04:59,720
Speaker 4: Okay, I think five figures, but let me.

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01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:04,160
Speaker 2: I figure's ten figures. At least wait to put the

1211
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:05,280
Speaker 2: number and then that's smart enough.

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01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:08,320
Speaker 5: That's it's at least ten.

1213
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Speaker 3: You guys are a production company. I've worked with a

1214
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 3: bunch of production companies. Who's offering answer?

1215
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:16,560
Speaker 2: Smile?

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01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:22,240
Speaker 3: I just I can't imagine a legitimate production company offering

1217
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:25,440
Speaker 3: a suspect and a murder case money for their story.

1218
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:26,920
Speaker 3: I just it's crazy to me.

1219
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:30,280
Speaker 6: It's if it's a juicy enough story and you know

1220
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:32,080
Speaker 6: everyone is going to go after it, like look at

1221
01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:35,400
Speaker 6: we're all fascinated by the main four people involved in this,

1222
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 6: a pair, you know, killing.

1223
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Speaker 4: I can see some of them going after it.

1224
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:44,120
Speaker 2: I'll watch it. By the way, where the only well

1225
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:47,000
Speaker 2: we're the only, thank goodness, we're not the only. But

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01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:49,960
Speaker 2: we don't. Yeah, for stories like that, you can't. You

1227
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:54,919
Speaker 2: don't want to pay for somebody's defense fund, right or

1228
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:59,920
Speaker 2: for their It's it's I've never and most people don't.

1229
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:02,800
Speaker 2: But I think the game changes, right, So I have

1230
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:06,160
Speaker 2: no doubt that somebody offered her hard cash to share

1231
01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:08,320
Speaker 2: her story exclusively.

1232
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Speaker 3: We have never done that, and we've never been allowed.

1233
01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:15,800
Speaker 2: To do that streamers or networks like it's not even

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01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:21,120
Speaker 2: like a part of someoneation. Here's why, though, because if

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Speaker 2: something comes out, if you're as a production company, if

1236
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:28,000
Speaker 2: you're making a documentary and you uncover something or new

1237
01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:32,720
Speaker 2: information or something important happens while you're shooting, that could

1238
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:38,240
Speaker 2: really prove somebody's incense or prove a fact in the case.

1239
01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:40,880
Speaker 2: By the way, the goal is not to interrupt an

1240
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:44,080
Speaker 2: investigation too only of course you're trying to be supportive

1241
01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:45,680
Speaker 2: and like, only be additive.

1242
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Speaker 3: You can't accuse anybody of murder.

1243
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:51,960
Speaker 2: But imagine if something really great happens with all these

1244
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:55,240
Speaker 2: smart brands on it, you cannot go in a courtroom

1245
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:58,240
Speaker 2: and stand on trial and be like, well, I paid

1246
01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:02,120
Speaker 2: them fifty thousand dollars for their opinion. It kind of

1247
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:04,800
Speaker 2: underminds it. It does. But if you say I paid

1248
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:09,880
Speaker 2: them nothing, to say that, it feels like the truth, right.

1249
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:12,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that was one of the reasons, one of

1250
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:15,160
Speaker 3: the excuses I should say that I didn't get paid

1251
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:16,320
Speaker 3: for don't have with cats.

1252
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Speaker 2: Well, that was well, it was a very real, active

1253
01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:24,959
Speaker 2: inventor that would have undermined what you were finding out,

1254
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:28,680
Speaker 2: and your findings were very relevant. It's crazy.

1255
01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:31,760
Speaker 5: And then also going back to the dentist case for

1256
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:35,800
Speaker 5: one hot second about when I was excuse me, I

1257
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:38,520
Speaker 5: say dentist and it was Spencer Tepe and his wife,

1258
01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:42,600
Speaker 5: Oh that dentist trying do when I was surprised that

1259
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:48,160
Speaker 5: the perpetrator did not have to have any insurance, malpractice insurance.

1260
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:53,200
Speaker 5: It's interesting production companies are also insured and in true

1261
01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:55,920
Speaker 5: crime like that way, we're talking about somebody who just

1262
01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:59,080
Speaker 5: committed murders. So it's surprising to me that spent that

1263
01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:03,160
Speaker 5: Spencer and Unique were murdered. Of course, is it surprising

1264
01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:07,640
Speaker 5: that her potentially odd ex husband who's now a weird

1265
01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:11,160
Speaker 5: surgeon who's been kind of missing not so odd that

1266
01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:16,559
Speaker 5: he's the suspect. However, there's not insurance for it, Like

1267
01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:19,760
Speaker 5: he doesn't have malpractice insurance because he's probably not like

1268
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:21,759
Speaker 5: grading on the right line.

1269
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Speaker 2: This guy is playing out of the lines a little bit.

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Speaker 2: He doesn't have malpractice insurance. He's potentially murdering people. He's

1271
01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:31,840
Speaker 2: missing in action, you know what I mean, Like he's

1272
01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:33,280
Speaker 2: not really following by the lines.

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Speaker 3: Right, Well, I got listen, Can I get in Peter til.

1274
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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, follow, but I'm dying to hear about the Peters.

1275
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so this is really interesting. So in addition to

1276
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:48,839
Speaker 3: being a convicted pedophile, Jeffrey Epstein was a master networker.

1277
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Speaker 3: I mean, this is how he got his wealth, right

1278
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:54,200
Speaker 3: and by networking and climbing the social ladder, and he

1279
01:08:54,280 --> 01:08:57,240
Speaker 3: used his wealth connection wealth and connections to open doors

1280
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Speaker 3: for people like controversial tech billionaire Peter Teal. So chech

1281
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:06,280
Speaker 3: billionaire Peter Teal pops up frequently in the Deceased Pedophiles

1282
01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:11,800
Speaker 3: emails and invites from twenty thirteen to twenty eighteen. And

1283
01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:15,360
Speaker 3: I want to pause right there, because he was convicted

1284
01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:19,120
Speaker 3: of being a pedophile in two thousand and eight. So

1285
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Speaker 3: five years go by, right, convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein. Five

1286
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Speaker 3: years go by, and Peter tel thinks it's a great

1287
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Speaker 3: idea to go ahead and start up a friendly relationship

1288
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Speaker 3: with Jeffrey Epstein. Isn't that would you do that?

1289
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Speaker 2: Yes? Why would you? There? Right, here's a huge brain

1290
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Speaker 2: in the innovative huge brain is why? Right? Why?

1291
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Speaker 3: That's a great question. Right, So he starts showing up

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Speaker 3: at lunches with Bill Gates and allegedly participating in network

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Speaker 3: with Israeli and Russian officials and beyond the social realm,

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Speaker 3: Jeffrey Epstein also invested forty million dollars into Peter Till's

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Speaker 3: Valor Ventures, an investment that has grown into one hundred

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Speaker 3: and seventy million dollar asset, and it's the largest asset

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Speaker 3: still held by Jeffrey Epstein's estate. Okay, So, we all

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Speaker 3: know Jeffrey Epstein. He's a wealthy, connected and convicted sex offender,

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Speaker 3: and he acted as a connector. He linked billionaires, politicians,

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Speaker 3: and intelligence figures.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: He leveraged his network to introduce Peter Tilt to influential

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Speaker 3: figures including Israeli PM Barack, Russian diplomat Vitally Chirkin, Woody Allen,

1304
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Speaker 3: and Obama advisor Katherine Ruhmer Rumler. All Right, Now, remember

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Speaker 3: there was that phrenology skull that we found on Jeffrey

1306
01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:48,640
Speaker 3: Epstein's desk, right, that was literally a desk, right, And

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01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:53,360
Speaker 3: phrenology is you know, this debunked nineteenth century pseudoscience that

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01:10:53,439 --> 01:10:58,120
Speaker 3: claims that the shape of a person's skull determines their character,

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01:10:58,360 --> 01:11:02,040
Speaker 3: their personality, and all of their mental abilities. And it's

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01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:07,000
Speaker 3: often used to justify racism and eugenics. Okay, so this

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01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:09,840
Speaker 3: is the link to Peter Tile as well, right, because

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01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:12,840
Speaker 3: Peter Till had similar interests, and that's kind of why

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01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:16,200
Speaker 3: I wanted to talk about him a little bit. So

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Speaker 3: he appears eighty two times across fifty one Epstein related

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Speaker 3: doctors fifteen and these include emails and texts and invites

1316
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:30,920
Speaker 3: to different conferences. And social events, mostly as a guest. Right,

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01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:36,160
Speaker 3: and notable mentions include Sunday lunch with Bill Gates and

1318
01:11:36,280 --> 01:11:41,120
Speaker 3: Mart Zuckerman, who is a Canadian billionaire. Inclusion on emails

1319
01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:45,920
Speaker 3: listing contacts for Steve Bannon and other business and scientific figures.

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Speaker 3: Right in twenty fourteen, he emailed Jeffrey Epstein and he

1321
01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:52,840
Speaker 3: said that was fun. See you in three weeks, which is,

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01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:55,600
Speaker 3: you know, on the surface level, I've sent that to

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Speaker 3: Stephanie before all. Of course, I said that it was

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Speaker 3: so fun.

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Speaker 2: But isn't that also contradictory to his fact that he's

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01:12:02,200 --> 01:12:03,280
Speaker 2: never been to the island.

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Speaker 3: That's well, he does claim he's he was invited to

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01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:10,800
Speaker 3: the island, but he says he never went. There was

1329
01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:16,040
Speaker 3: also a twenty eighteen reference to Liking Teal coming or

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01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:19,960
Speaker 3: Peter Teal in town claims that he never visited the

1331
01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:26,800
Speaker 3: Jeffrey Epstein private island despite numerous invitations. So how it

1332
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:31,160
Speaker 3: gets into this, you know, huge transhumanism and eugenics and whatnot,

1333
01:12:31,320 --> 01:12:35,080
Speaker 3: is that Peter Teal has an interest in transhumanism, okay,

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01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:42,200
Speaker 3: and transhumanism believes that technology can enhance human abilities and longevity,

1335
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Speaker 3: but does not replace like your soul.

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Speaker 2: It's almost like a combo, is there, like a hybrid,

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01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:55,559
Speaker 2: a hybrid human part part robot, part human, which sort.

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Speaker 5: Of is that like Terminator? Yeah, yeah, I mean it's

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01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:01,720
Speaker 5: it's it's The.

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Speaker 2: Thing is Groc the robot. The robot that was premiered

1341
01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:12,200
Speaker 2: in Las Vegas by Elon Musk. I believe it's called Grock.

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Speaker 2: It's like a darter AI like, it's supposed to be intuitive,

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01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:20,519
Speaker 2: but also all the things.

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Speaker 3: So, by the way, there is a big.

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Speaker 2: Distinction that has been brought to my attention that Elon

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Speaker 2: Musk and Peter Teal have very different ideologies. Yes, not

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01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:35,240
Speaker 2: to be confused. In fact, they worked together and collaborated

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Speaker 2: it in early days. Yeah, but are kind of rivals

1349
01:13:38,680 --> 01:13:41,720
Speaker 2: and then they were like friends. So I honestly have

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Speaker 2: no idea. But Peter Teal, my loose understanding body, correct

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01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:48,240
Speaker 2: me if I'm wrong, kind of was a big jd

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01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:53,160
Speaker 2: Vance person, like he sort of like kind of fostered jd.

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Speaker 3: Vance's financially career.

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, financially of course to survive it also right

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01:13:57,760 --> 01:14:01,400
Speaker 2: to do so I need some financial back. Absolutely, So

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01:14:01,479 --> 01:14:05,800
Speaker 2: those too are little thick as thieves dreams.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, yeah, it's just a colloquial, right, you know,

1358
01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:14,759
Speaker 3: you're not calling them yeah, right, so uh. He donates

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01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:18,800
Speaker 3: millions of dollars to anti aging research in futurist projects

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01:14:18,840 --> 01:14:22,400
Speaker 3: aimed at extending human life. He also develops like AI

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01:14:22,520 --> 01:14:26,320
Speaker 3: software for law enforcement that targets you know, in particular

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01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:30,200
Speaker 3: ICE to right now, ICE is using that right now,

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Speaker 3: that's the identifying immigration.

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Speaker 2: And not to bring it full circle, but yeah, ICE

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01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:40,840
Speaker 2: goes to people and puts the camera on them, and

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Speaker 2: that has to face ide on it. That's a little controversial.

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01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:48,240
Speaker 2: So this is the soft launch maybe through ICE. It's

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Speaker 2: very controversial.

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Speaker 3: It's very controversial because Stephen Miller is one of the

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Speaker 3: massive investors in that software, and so it's very controversial

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Speaker 3: that part of it. It's an AI system that tracks

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Speaker 3: in prior orchises citizens or non citizens for deportation. It

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01:15:05,160 --> 01:15:09,960
Speaker 3: influences who gets targeted and how So it's very controversial.

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01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:14,960
Speaker 3: But you know that's you know, Peter Thiel's gig okay.

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Speaker 3: And when you combine all this with this transhumanism and

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01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:22,960
Speaker 3: this you know relationship to Jeffrey Epstein who had this

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Speaker 3: interest in phrenology, it's just very interesting, right, interesting because

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Speaker 3: we see, how can you need talks?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 3: And how can you modify human existence?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:35,680
Speaker 3: How can how can you? How can you create a

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01:15:35,720 --> 01:15:38,960
Speaker 3: better human? And I mean you can't, right, I mean

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Speaker 3: it's kind of insulted.

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Speaker 2: Didn't didn't Tom Brady recreate his dog? What did he

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Speaker 2: clone his dog? I didn't know. I think he cloned

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Speaker 2: his dog? Did he? Really? I actually really mean to

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01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:55,840
Speaker 2: ask you about this? For six months, honestly this happened.

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Speaker 2: I think over the holidays. I can when in my

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Speaker 2: like holiday brain, and I'm pretty sure I read with

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01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:06,360
Speaker 2: I'm going to give it a sixty percent amount of

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Speaker 2: confidence in full disclosure that Tom Brady apparently invested in

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Speaker 2: a company that is a company of the future of cloning.

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Speaker 2: He cloned his dog, as I've seen of why this

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Speaker 2: works as an investor. Oh so we have answered on

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Speaker 2: the fly right now, But can you answer that in

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01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:31,759
Speaker 2: my head? Because it's actually been something I've been scratching

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Speaker 2: at while I sleep, and that's probably why I don't sleep.

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Speaker 2: So if we can put this to bed, I would

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Speaker 2: be helpful. I would be very very grateful. Are we

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Speaker 2: cloning dogs? I've seen a company I think watched pet

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Speaker 2: cemetery it was the worst, but he definitely did clone

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Speaker 2: his dog.

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Speaker 5: And actually, yeah, Tom Brady, Yeah, because I remember seeing

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01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:54,120
Speaker 5: that Brady.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, no one's talking about it. He

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Speaker 2: got his dog back and he lives with a dog.

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Speaker 4: Am. I just did a quick search.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yes, Tom Brady did clone his dog, revealing in

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Speaker 6: November that.

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Speaker 4: Is current dog.

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Speaker 2: We were talking about this.

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Speaker 6: Genetic clone of his late pit bull Lua, who passed

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Speaker 6: away in December. He worked with the biotech company Colossal Biosciences,

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Speaker 6: for whom he serves on a cultural advisory board.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's investor in even Dodger. I know, I've watched

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01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:30,559
Speaker 2: pet cemetery that felt a little scary. And then, by

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Speaker 2: the way, it was like breaking news. I saw thee

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01:17:33,720 --> 01:17:35,439
Speaker 2: I read about it, and then it went away.

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Speaker 3: The Tom Brady story kind of got buried pretty quick. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I never heard. I remember Dolly the sheep getting that

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01:17:41,080 --> 01:17:44,400
Speaker 3: was like the first family dog.

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Speaker 2: And how about Tom Brady, the face of many many

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Speaker 2: dreadful things is suddenly the dog guy who's like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: by the way, I invested in company that like cloned

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Speaker 2: my favorite dog. And then it went quiet.

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Speaker 3: Well, another weird things really quick going to wrap this up.

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Speaker 3: Another weird thing that pears Heels interested in is something

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Speaker 3: it's called it's an environment. It is experimental treatment like

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Speaker 3: young blood transfusions called para biosis. By the way, that's

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Speaker 3: the chatter. What is it called bio? What para biosis?

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Speaker 2: So were they doing experiments on this island? Is that

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Speaker 2: what the dent chair was for? I just need more answer, chair,

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01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:35,599
Speaker 2: So Courtney tell us what's kind of my goodness? Stick around?

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Speaker 5: We're going to continue any of the remaining parts of

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Speaker 5: this conversation, and we more importantly have talkbacks to get.

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Speaker 2: To Okay, so do keep it here.

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Speaker 5: True Crime tonight, We're talking true crime all the time.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Drue Cryst on iHeartRadio. We're talking true

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01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:09,559
Speaker 2: grime all the time. I promise we are. I'm Stephanielyidecker

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Speaker 2: here with Courtney Armstrong and Body Moven, who are both

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01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:17,439
Speaker 2: horrified like I have horrified them. During the commercial break,

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Speaker 2: I apologize. So, okay, we're talking about cloning. So it

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01:19:21,880 --> 01:19:24,760
Speaker 2: feels as though I, like these guys have assumed that

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01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:27,280
Speaker 2: I have like really targeted Tom Brady in.

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Speaker 3: The cloning of his animal. And by the way, I

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Speaker 3: love Tom Brady.

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Speaker 2: I love the Patriots, by the way, Giants first Patriots,

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01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:39,040
Speaker 2: maybe second Clions, beyond there, beyond there. I have nothing

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01:19:39,080 --> 01:19:44,240
Speaker 2: against Tom Brady specifically. The cloning thing felt a little weird,

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01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:47,559
Speaker 2: and now Courtney is insistent that he is not the

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01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:52,000
Speaker 2: only one. There's been many cloners of their dogs in many,

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Speaker 2: many recent years, by the way, a long time ago.

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Speaker 3: Go ahead, court give us a hot list.

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01:19:56,840 --> 01:20:00,799
Speaker 5: I mean, this is decent handful of Barber streisand Hilton,

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01:20:01,040 --> 01:20:04,799
Speaker 5: Diane von Furstenberg and uh very Diller.

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01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:08,640
Speaker 2: So it's not That's why I was saying, Oh what, so,

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01:20:08,680 --> 01:20:12,920
Speaker 2: why is everybody cloning their dog? Nobody's really talking about it.

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01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:17,160
Speaker 2: Where are we experimenting? What what dogs are we experimenting

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01:20:17,200 --> 01:20:18,880
Speaker 2: on to make it okay to clone it?

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Speaker 3: There was like a process before that. Is that regulated?

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Speaker 2: It's my first question. I thought it was being done

1463
01:20:24,360 --> 01:20:24,839
Speaker 2: in Japan?

1464
01:20:25,400 --> 01:20:27,679
Speaker 3: What is it? Is it better in Japan?

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01:20:27,960 --> 01:20:28,439
Speaker 2: What is it?

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01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:31,400
Speaker 3: What are we saying that came? I watched a documentary

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Speaker 3: like like a couple of years ago, and it was

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Speaker 3: all about cloning dogs and the company was in Japan

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Speaker 3: that the documentary was about, or Brady's company.

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Speaker 2: Does what and when you get your dog clone? Are

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Speaker 2: they cloned at the age that you lost them and

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Speaker 2: you missed so much? The dog doesn't emerge from like

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01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:52,080
Speaker 2: a cocoon or anything like that.

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Speaker 4: Version.

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Speaker 2: No, I watched pet cemetery that was so scary.

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01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:06,080
Speaker 3: No, they're implanted in a female dog and the doges

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01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:10,280
Speaker 3: states it like a normal dog, and then the dog

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Speaker 3: gives birth to the clone dog and it's a puppy.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, just the same exact size and shape.

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Speaker 2: But it's it's like a identical twin.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, twin, Okay, genetically it would be actually, genetically it

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01:21:26,040 --> 01:21:28,320
Speaker 5: would be right, an identical twin.

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Speaker 3: Now I'm against it. QI A cute sister, I mean,

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Speaker 3: I'm totally against it. Are you one hundred against it? Well?

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Speaker 3: First of all, the dog that has to give birth

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Speaker 3: to there, you know, it's yeah, I mean that's it.

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Speaker 3: And then number two, there's millions of dogs that dogs

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01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:52,400
Speaker 3: that need a home, so true. Yeah, and ps you

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01:21:52,439 --> 01:21:54,639
Speaker 3: can adopt if you have a little bit of patience,

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01:21:54,720 --> 01:21:57,080
Speaker 3: you can rescue if you have any kind of dream

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01:21:57,200 --> 01:22:00,240
Speaker 3: dog in your mind. Yeah, you can really, you know,

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Speaker 3: whether it's a puppy or a dog of a certain

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Speaker 3: breed or this. I'm just throwing that out there because

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Speaker 3: some people think that rescue dogs are can't be right.

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01:22:09,880 --> 01:22:13,000
Speaker 3: My dogs are rescued and they're pure bread. They're a

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01:22:13,080 --> 01:22:19,000
Speaker 3: hug and then my mom rescued a palm. Anyway, yeah

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Speaker 3: you can, they're specialized breed. Anyway, I just don't like it.

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01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:24,880
Speaker 3: I mean, why, how many dogs do you have? Court

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Speaker 3: too many?

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Speaker 7: I have?

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Speaker 2: I have three.

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Speaker 5: I have three dogs, and honestly, in my three person house,

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Speaker 5: it works really well. If we're watching a movie, each

1504
01:22:37,360 --> 01:22:39,840
Speaker 5: dog it's a person. Each person gets a dog.

1505
01:22:39,960 --> 01:22:47,160
Speaker 2: Do you have a favorite dog? I will I will say.

1506
01:22:48,600 --> 01:22:52,360
Speaker 5: Whoever is my oldest, whoever I've known the longest. I

1507
01:22:52,439 --> 01:22:55,479
Speaker 5: usually have the deepest relationship, which just makes the most sense.

1508
01:22:56,479 --> 01:23:00,120
Speaker 5: But I'm real enamored with my little girl puppy. I

1509
01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:02,160
Speaker 5: think as I've never had a girl, and she's so

1510
01:23:02,439 --> 01:23:03,280
Speaker 5: freaking cute.

1511
01:23:04,160 --> 01:23:06,559
Speaker 2: So the middle one is not on the table.

1512
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:07,880
Speaker 3: Sorry, are cute?

1513
01:23:07,960 --> 01:23:11,120
Speaker 2: How cute is that is? It's so cute? You want

1514
01:23:11,160 --> 01:23:14,240
Speaker 2: to like, Oh, you're probably the best dog. Those dogs

1515
01:23:14,240 --> 01:23:15,000
Speaker 2: are very lucky.

1516
01:23:15,800 --> 01:23:17,040
Speaker 3: We were just having a really funny time.

1517
01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:19,839
Speaker 2: Your dogs are so lucky. Yeah they aren't.

1518
01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:23,880
Speaker 3: But he's sick again, I know again, Yeah, he has

1519
01:23:23,920 --> 01:23:26,400
Speaker 3: a really bad cough. He had a cough back in

1520
01:23:26,439 --> 01:23:30,559
Speaker 3: September and he had an upper respiratory infection and it

1521
01:23:30,640 --> 01:23:33,880
Speaker 3: started again on Sunday, and so he's going through the

1522
01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:36,240
Speaker 3: motions right now. I took him to the vet. They

1523
01:23:36,240 --> 01:23:39,000
Speaker 3: don't really know that. His blood work is good, his

1524
01:23:39,120 --> 01:23:40,760
Speaker 3: X ray is good, everything's good. They don't really know

1525
01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:43,680
Speaker 3: what's going on. So please say a little prayer for

1526
01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:44,559
Speaker 3: my old yolkster.

1527
01:23:44,840 --> 01:23:46,880
Speaker 2: Let's do it. We've all been thinking about you.

1528
01:23:47,120 --> 01:23:49,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, I appreciate it. It's it's really upsetting.

1529
01:23:50,240 --> 01:23:51,120
Speaker 2: It's really upsetting.

1530
01:23:51,680 --> 01:23:53,200
Speaker 3: But yeah, I love my dogs. But we we were

1531
01:23:53,280 --> 01:23:53,760
Speaker 3: just kind of.

1532
01:23:53,800 --> 01:23:56,360
Speaker 5: Kicking it up during the break and he thought that

1533
01:23:56,439 --> 01:23:59,040
Speaker 5: clone dogs were cloned in the moment and kind of

1534
01:23:59,120 --> 01:24:00,640
Speaker 5: just like.

1535
01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:02,400
Speaker 7: To me.

1536
01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:06,880
Speaker 2: That and like.

1537
01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:11,160
Speaker 3: Kind of wid or something like Disney wakes up. He's young, No,

1538
01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:11,880
Speaker 3: he's old.

1539
01:24:13,439 --> 01:24:13,960
Speaker 2: They do that.

1540
01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:20,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's like every cloning plot where yeah, that's the same.

1541
01:24:22,360 --> 01:24:25,280
Speaker 2: Okay. I don't want to be a baby again. So

1542
01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:27,640
Speaker 2: if you were going to be cloned, you would be

1543
01:24:27,640 --> 01:24:30,000
Speaker 2: a baby, all right, Yeah, then.

1544
01:24:29,920 --> 01:24:32,400
Speaker 6: You're going to well an entirely different life. It won't

1545
01:24:32,439 --> 01:24:35,280
Speaker 6: be the same Stephanie, that baby. It's going to be

1546
01:24:35,360 --> 01:24:35,760
Speaker 6: someone that.

1547
01:24:36,160 --> 01:24:39,280
Speaker 3: Would anybody want to do that? You can be a clone.

1548
01:24:39,760 --> 01:24:43,360
Speaker 2: This is a larger question for the group, So anybody listening,

1549
01:24:43,479 --> 01:24:45,360
Speaker 2: we want to hear your answer. If you could be

1550
01:24:45,400 --> 01:24:49,280
Speaker 2: a clone, would you want to be a clone? Number one?

1551
01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:51,599
Speaker 2: Or from day one? Start a little?

1552
01:24:51,640 --> 01:24:53,600
Speaker 3: How do you know you're not a clone?

1553
01:24:54,360 --> 01:25:00,840
Speaker 2: I don't like thinking about infinity. Don't make me think

1554
01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:06,120
Speaker 2: about infinity. It's too so much. But assuming we're clones, fabulous,

1555
01:25:07,040 --> 01:25:10,600
Speaker 2: let's just be fabulous clones. Do you want to be

1556
01:25:10,640 --> 01:25:13,160
Speaker 2: a clone as a baby or a clone to where

1557
01:25:13,240 --> 01:25:14,040
Speaker 2: you are right now?

1558
01:25:14,400 --> 01:25:14,559
Speaker 4: Oh?

1559
01:25:14,600 --> 01:25:16,400
Speaker 2: God, what I don't want to do right now? I

1560
01:25:16,439 --> 01:25:18,720
Speaker 2: don't want them to be two of real absolutely not.

1561
01:25:19,400 --> 01:25:21,680
Speaker 4: It could take us to work. It could like it

1562
01:25:21,680 --> 01:25:22,240
Speaker 4: could be taken.

1563
01:25:22,280 --> 01:25:27,679
Speaker 2: Oh so I know the clone in world in it? Yes,

1564
01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:28,960
Speaker 2: then I would love to have.

1565
01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:32,840
Speaker 3: Two of me. Yeah, yes, it's either a baby or

1566
01:25:33,240 --> 01:25:36,599
Speaker 3: real time, real time two of me in the same house.

1567
01:25:36,720 --> 01:25:39,320
Speaker 2: And I wonder if double of you would you rather

1568
01:25:39,520 --> 01:25:42,840
Speaker 2: just stay alive as you today and wake up in

1569
01:25:42,880 --> 01:25:44,439
Speaker 2: thirty years we're talking?

1570
01:25:44,520 --> 01:25:48,439
Speaker 3: Oh cry, we're talking, Walt Disney. I'm gonna I wouldn't

1571
01:25:48,439 --> 01:25:49,920
Speaker 3: want to do that because all the people I love

1572
01:25:49,960 --> 01:25:51,160
Speaker 3: would be gone.

1573
01:25:51,439 --> 01:25:56,360
Speaker 2: That's what I always think. It's that's what the guy. Yeah,

1574
01:25:57,520 --> 01:25:59,800
Speaker 2: fresh blood, you have a whole new crew.

1575
01:25:59,840 --> 01:26:00,519
Speaker 3: But you wake up.

1576
01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:02,160
Speaker 2: But would you want to wake up as a baby

1577
01:26:02,360 --> 01:26:06,000
Speaker 2: or wake up as yourself at your age now a baby?

1578
01:26:06,040 --> 01:26:07,760
Speaker 3: Because that way, I don't I wouldn't know.

1579
01:26:08,400 --> 01:26:11,680
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, cryonics. I believe what you're talking about. The

1580
01:26:11,720 --> 01:26:14,120
Speaker 5: cryonics when people are frozen before they die.

1581
01:26:14,160 --> 01:26:15,799
Speaker 2: I don't know the st Wealth Disney.

1582
01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:18,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're right, so that would be he's not going

1583
01:26:18,760 --> 01:26:22,200
Speaker 5: to then revert, so Vanilla skuy in that instance, Yeah,

1584
01:26:22,240 --> 01:26:25,320
Speaker 5: you just would pop out and be like, what's up?

1585
01:26:25,479 --> 01:26:28,120
Speaker 3: You know totally what's going on? What happened when I

1586
01:26:28,160 --> 01:26:28,599
Speaker 3: was sleeping?

1587
01:26:28,760 --> 01:26:30,280
Speaker 4: I take that.

1588
01:26:30,479 --> 01:26:35,639
Speaker 2: I would. Yeah, there is a fair example.

1589
01:26:35,680 --> 01:26:37,400
Speaker 3: He's we're going off the rails.

1590
01:26:37,520 --> 01:26:40,360
Speaker 2: Right, I was about to bring up hot up time machine.

1591
01:26:40,400 --> 01:26:41,360
Speaker 4: So yeah, let's get back.

1592
01:26:41,600 --> 01:26:42,800
Speaker 2: Hey, let's go to a tuk back.

1593
01:26:43,120 --> 01:26:46,280
Speaker 13: And you guys are talking about the Fourth Amendment. And

1594
01:26:46,320 --> 01:26:49,479
Speaker 13: I have a question about trash. When I throw my

1595
01:26:49,560 --> 01:26:52,960
Speaker 13: trash out throughout the week, I put it out in

1596
01:26:53,200 --> 01:26:56,799
Speaker 13: a trash receptacle that is next to my house itself.

1597
01:26:56,840 --> 01:26:59,439
Speaker 13: By the sense of my house, I don't put it

1598
01:26:59,479 --> 01:27:05,639
Speaker 13: to the herb until Friday. Friends, So is it do

1599
01:27:05,680 --> 01:27:08,120
Speaker 13: I have a right to privacy if it's by my house?

1600
01:27:09,040 --> 01:27:10,960
Speaker 2: I think the answer is yes. Yeah.

1601
01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:14,120
Speaker 3: So if it's on your private property, cops can't just

1602
01:27:14,160 --> 01:27:15,880
Speaker 3: go on your private property and take things out of

1603
01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:16,680
Speaker 3: your trash.

1604
01:27:16,840 --> 01:27:20,320
Speaker 2: Meaning if you have a home and you have say

1605
01:27:20,320 --> 01:27:23,880
Speaker 2: a backyard, and like right up against the fence to

1606
01:27:23,960 --> 01:27:27,600
Speaker 2: the backyard, is your trash cans, your garbage cans that

1607
01:27:27,800 --> 01:27:30,000
Speaker 2: once a week you bring to the curb for a

1608
01:27:30,040 --> 01:27:33,200
Speaker 2: pick up, right But while they're by the fence near

1609
01:27:33,240 --> 01:27:37,080
Speaker 2: your backyard, on your property, which is what I think

1610
01:27:37,120 --> 01:27:40,160
Speaker 2: we're talking about, right, that is private?

1611
01:27:40,680 --> 01:27:43,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so you have a reasonable expectation of privacy

1612
01:27:43,840 --> 01:27:47,240
Speaker 3: while the trash is on your property. But the moment

1613
01:27:47,400 --> 01:27:50,400
Speaker 3: you wheel that trash to the curb, you've abandoned it,

1614
01:27:50,680 --> 01:27:52,760
Speaker 3: you know, in the eyes of the law, and the

1615
01:27:52,800 --> 01:27:54,400
Speaker 3: Fourth Amendment does not apply.

1616
01:27:54,760 --> 01:27:57,120
Speaker 2: And is that federal? Does that apply to all states

1617
01:27:57,160 --> 01:28:00,960
Speaker 2: or is that individual? Bas were as far as I know,

1618
01:28:01,840 --> 01:28:03,479
Speaker 2: I mean, as far as I know, that's everywhere.

1619
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:06,719
Speaker 5: I think so, even because because this came well obviously

1620
01:28:06,760 --> 01:28:10,320
Speaker 5: the talkback is referencing last night, our big conversation with

1621
01:28:10,479 --> 01:28:14,479
Speaker 5: jar Oh, yeah, it could be because he mentioned that

1622
01:28:14,560 --> 01:28:17,160
Speaker 5: it was it was from a long time ago when

1623
01:28:17,160 --> 01:28:19,080
Speaker 5: the law was passed about the trash.

1624
01:28:19,200 --> 01:28:21,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, you remember the Golden State Killer. He had his

1625
01:28:21,640 --> 01:28:26,080
Speaker 2: soda can. I believe that was confiscated from trash. That

1626
01:28:26,160 --> 01:28:29,120
Speaker 2: might have been the first time this became wildly relevant.

1627
01:28:29,120 --> 01:28:34,120
Speaker 2: But I'm sure there's been three trash exactly right, from

1628
01:28:34,120 --> 01:28:37,080
Speaker 2: a DNA perspective, maybe that was the Golden State Killer,

1629
01:28:37,120 --> 01:28:39,559
Speaker 2: But prior to that, anything in the trash could have

1630
01:28:39,560 --> 01:28:41,520
Speaker 2: had your fingerprints or your solid.

1631
01:28:41,520 --> 01:28:46,120
Speaker 3: Right or earwax in the case of Frank Coberger. Right, Yeah,

1632
01:28:46,160 --> 01:28:48,320
Speaker 3: I mean, you know trash and bins located in your

1633
01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:51,400
Speaker 3: yard or on your porch anywhere that's like private property.

1634
01:28:52,120 --> 01:28:55,439
Speaker 3: It's the cops aren't gonna and they know that, you know,

1635
01:28:55,479 --> 01:28:57,360
Speaker 3: cops aren't going to break the law and like sneak

1636
01:28:57,400 --> 01:28:59,439
Speaker 3: onto your property and get trash. They're going to follow

1637
01:28:59,479 --> 01:29:01,920
Speaker 3: you around owned and wait for you to throw a

1638
01:29:01,960 --> 01:29:04,599
Speaker 3: soda can away or a cigarette butt in a case

1639
01:29:04,600 --> 01:29:07,680
Speaker 3: of what Mensph's three and Terry Hobbs. They're either're going

1640
01:29:07,760 --> 01:29:09,320
Speaker 3: to do those kinds of things or they're going to

1641
01:29:09,360 --> 01:29:11,599
Speaker 3: wait for you to wheel that trash to the curb,

1642
01:29:11,680 --> 01:29:13,920
Speaker 3: and as soon as you do and go inside your home,

1643
01:29:14,320 --> 01:29:16,679
Speaker 3: they're going to be pretending to be garbagemen and grabbing

1644
01:29:16,720 --> 01:29:17,400
Speaker 3: stuff out of it.

1645
01:29:18,200 --> 01:29:20,360
Speaker 2: And yeah, right, So if you're putting into the trash

1646
01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:23,519
Speaker 2: and bringing it to the curb, just know that it's garbage, it's.

1647
01:29:23,439 --> 01:29:24,760
Speaker 3: Not you've abandoned it.

1648
01:29:25,000 --> 01:29:28,400
Speaker 2: You've abandoned it, and it canon will be used against you, right,

1649
01:29:28,479 --> 01:29:29,240
Speaker 2: it can and will.

1650
01:29:29,240 --> 01:29:32,360
Speaker 3: That's absolutely right, really good talkback. We really appreciate it.

1651
01:29:32,400 --> 01:29:35,720
Speaker 3: Like any other questions like that, I love those things.

1652
01:29:35,760 --> 01:29:38,519
Speaker 3: I love Fourth Amendment questions. I think, you know, I

1653
01:29:38,560 --> 01:29:41,559
Speaker 3: think all of the amendments of our one restitution one

1654
01:29:41,600 --> 01:29:46,960
Speaker 3: a week, we should amend a week, and especially in

1655
01:29:47,120 --> 01:29:50,479
Speaker 3: you know when you look at the amendments that a

1656
01:29:50,520 --> 01:29:52,640
Speaker 3: lot of them are related to trials.

1657
01:29:52,880 --> 01:29:56,040
Speaker 2: Let's do that because we do follow trials. So if

1658
01:29:56,040 --> 01:29:58,240
Speaker 2: we didn't want a month, that's a great idea.

1659
01:29:58,320 --> 01:29:58,760
Speaker 3: You've learned.

1660
01:29:58,800 --> 01:30:01,840
Speaker 2: I've learned so much about the Fourth Amendment from you

1661
01:30:01,880 --> 01:30:04,040
Speaker 2: just by like talking it out with trials at a

1662
01:30:04,120 --> 01:30:07,800
Speaker 2: real time, and then I understand it differently, right, Like yeah,

1663
01:30:07,920 --> 01:30:11,599
Speaker 2: seeing it on paper versus seeing it an actual real

1664
01:30:11,680 --> 01:30:13,320
Speaker 2: time being used it's so different.

1665
01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:17,960
Speaker 3: It is different, and it applies to cases, and because

1666
01:30:17,960 --> 01:30:21,280
Speaker 3: so many of them are about like unreasonable and unjust

1667
01:30:21,320 --> 01:30:25,679
Speaker 3: trials and persecution and whatnot. You know, Founding Fathers set

1668
01:30:25,720 --> 01:30:28,960
Speaker 3: this up on personal freedoms. Yeah, it's about personal freedoms.

1669
01:30:28,960 --> 01:30:31,600
Speaker 3: And so these amendments, Like how many times have we

1670
01:30:31,680 --> 01:30:33,479
Speaker 3: heard defendants say I plead the fifth?

1671
01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:34,679
Speaker 2: I really the fifth?

1672
01:30:34,720 --> 01:30:36,000
Speaker 3: What is that the fifth Amendment?

1673
01:30:36,320 --> 01:30:36,519
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1674
01:30:36,560 --> 01:30:39,360
Speaker 2: I see it, Andy Cohen when he say he has

1675
01:30:39,439 --> 01:30:41,439
Speaker 2: played the game, you plead the fifth. Right.

1676
01:30:41,439 --> 01:30:43,800
Speaker 5: That means you don't have to say anything? Yeah, right,

1677
01:30:43,840 --> 01:30:45,360
Speaker 5: you don't have to incriminate yourself.

1678
01:30:45,360 --> 01:30:46,240
Speaker 3: You have to criminate yourself.

1679
01:30:46,320 --> 01:30:46,439
Speaker 5: Right.

1680
01:30:46,439 --> 01:30:47,639
Speaker 3: We would be a great law firm.

1681
01:30:47,800 --> 01:30:53,840
Speaker 2: How fun law school Charlie's Angels.

1682
01:30:53,680 --> 01:30:57,439
Speaker 3: Like, yes, it's Charlie's Angels in thirty years.

1683
01:30:59,200 --> 01:31:01,000
Speaker 2: That's an interesting I do you because like a lot

1684
01:31:01,160 --> 01:31:01,760
Speaker 2: I don't.

1685
01:31:02,200 --> 01:31:03,960
Speaker 3: I mean, listen, we live in the greatest country in

1686
01:31:03,960 --> 01:31:06,000
Speaker 3: the world and we have the most wonderful constitution on

1687
01:31:06,040 --> 01:31:06,599
Speaker 3: the planet.

1688
01:31:06,840 --> 01:31:10,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so many once a week. That makes next

1689
01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:13,160
Speaker 2: week first amendments we started number one?

1690
01:31:13,320 --> 01:31:14,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, we can start with one.

1691
01:31:14,520 --> 01:31:17,440
Speaker 2: And they're all so important, right, so significant.

1692
01:31:17,439 --> 01:31:20,559
Speaker 3: I feel like people only talk about two of them, right,

1693
01:31:20,640 --> 01:31:21,840
Speaker 3: and we don't know them all.

1694
01:31:21,960 --> 01:31:25,600
Speaker 2: By the way, that's perfectly appropriate. We were all surviving

1695
01:31:25,720 --> 01:31:28,559
Speaker 2: fifty thousand years ago in elementary school.

1696
01:31:28,640 --> 01:31:33,000
Speaker 3: But like, maybe it's worth a resug recap.

1697
01:31:33,360 --> 01:31:36,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm done with that. I think that'll be Do

1698
01:31:36,040 --> 01:31:37,760
Speaker 2: you agree or just you're making a face that you

1699
01:31:37,800 --> 01:31:41,639
Speaker 2: would agree. No, I'm making my serious listening face.

1700
01:31:41,680 --> 01:31:45,280
Speaker 5: It's very unsettling if I hear anyone listening who had

1701
01:31:45,280 --> 01:31:48,960
Speaker 5: a conversation. Let's get a listening face. I listened with

1702
01:31:49,080 --> 01:31:51,360
Speaker 5: two years. One of my friends says, So.

1703
01:31:53,240 --> 01:31:55,280
Speaker 2: I'm all in because I got into it, because that's

1704
01:31:55,320 --> 01:31:55,840
Speaker 2: okay too.

1705
01:31:56,120 --> 01:31:58,840
Speaker 5: No, I'm all in, and I'm sitting here thinking, good grief.

1706
01:31:59,600 --> 01:32:02,479
Speaker 5: They're so many of the amendments. I don't know that.

1707
01:32:02,520 --> 01:32:06,120
Speaker 5: I couldn't say I.

1708
01:32:03,400 --> 01:32:03,559
Speaker 7: Was a.

1709
01:32:05,160 --> 01:32:08,000
Speaker 3: What's Amendment nine? Does anybody we should? We should have

1710
01:32:08,080 --> 01:32:10,559
Speaker 3: put it in the way how they apply the true

1711
01:32:10,640 --> 01:32:13,960
Speaker 3: crime though, Yes, of course is the second Amendment, and

1712
01:32:14,040 --> 01:32:16,120
Speaker 3: let's try to find cases that apply.

1713
01:32:16,800 --> 01:32:18,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's great.

1714
01:32:18,520 --> 01:32:23,639
Speaker 2: Think of this brainstorm happened Yale for all of us

1715
01:32:23,680 --> 01:32:24,600
Speaker 2: starting tomorrow.

1716
01:32:28,439 --> 01:32:31,240
Speaker 4: Do we have more time for one more y fourth Amendment?

1717
01:32:31,320 --> 01:32:31,760
Speaker 4: Talk back?

1718
01:32:32,080 --> 01:32:33,360
Speaker 2: Yes? Another one?

1719
01:32:33,600 --> 01:32:36,240
Speaker 3: I love that Oh my god, Happy birthday to me.

1720
01:32:36,680 --> 01:32:36,800
Speaker 11: Hi.

1721
01:32:36,920 --> 01:32:40,960
Speaker 14: True Crime tonight body. This question is primarily for you

1722
01:32:41,040 --> 01:32:45,160
Speaker 14: since you are from Detroit, where I am around. I

1723
01:32:45,200 --> 01:32:48,240
Speaker 14: was just wondering, what is your like most iconic. I

1724
01:32:48,280 --> 01:32:50,120
Speaker 14: don't want to say favorite, I don't like that word,

1725
01:32:50,160 --> 01:32:54,599
Speaker 14: but most iconic Detroit true crime? What is the one

1726
01:32:54,640 --> 01:32:58,280
Speaker 14: that you are just really hung up on? I'm really curious.

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01:32:58,520 --> 01:33:02,759
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, I don't know. That's a juicy question.

1728
01:33:03,080 --> 01:33:05,519
Speaker 3: Jimmy Hoffa. I was gonna say Detroit.

1729
01:33:05,560 --> 01:33:06,479
Speaker 2: You have to say Jimmy.

1730
01:33:07,160 --> 01:33:09,120
Speaker 3: I mean, I think that's the most. That's the most.

1731
01:33:09,160 --> 01:33:13,000
Speaker 3: I was famous one maybe so, Yeah, Jimmy Hoffa. He

1732
01:33:13,400 --> 01:33:17,360
Speaker 3: was the it's this kind of mob you know story

1733
01:33:18,040 --> 01:33:20,120
Speaker 3: the teamsters. He was like the president of the team

1734
01:33:20,120 --> 01:33:22,280
Speaker 3: seris and he was giving it to the man and

1735
01:33:22,640 --> 01:33:24,559
Speaker 3: you know, the mobs, the mobsters. I don't know if

1736
01:33:24,600 --> 01:33:26,599
Speaker 3: they didn't like it. I can't remember like the whole

1737
01:33:27,160 --> 01:33:30,640
Speaker 3: story or whatever. But he disappeared and he's remember Toroaldo

1738
01:33:31,560 --> 01:33:34,320
Speaker 3: famously he had said that he found Jimmy Hoffa's like

1739
01:33:34,400 --> 01:33:35,320
Speaker 3: too or something.

1740
01:33:36,240 --> 01:33:38,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was.

1741
01:33:38,800 --> 01:33:41,320
Speaker 5: Like this show Storage Wars, but there was nothing in

1742
01:33:42,040 --> 01:33:43,719
Speaker 5: storage for like a month.

1743
01:33:45,280 --> 01:33:49,240
Speaker 2: That was the worst, his worst nightmare. Honestly, can you

1744
01:33:49,320 --> 01:33:52,479
Speaker 2: imagine live TV? You're going to be like on live TV,

1745
01:33:52,600 --> 01:33:55,240
Speaker 2: We're gonna solve it, and there's nothing to solve.

1746
01:33:55,479 --> 01:33:57,360
Speaker 3: Right, I don't know if you guys know, but and

1747
01:33:57,479 --> 01:33:59,080
Speaker 3: probably not, but I don't know how if you know

1748
01:33:59,120 --> 01:34:02,760
Speaker 3: how important the union is in Detroit, the auto the

1749
01:34:02,800 --> 01:34:05,920
Speaker 3: auto Union whatnot. And Jimmy Hoffel was kind of like

1750
01:34:05,920 --> 01:34:08,679
Speaker 3: the guy in charge. So he was very powerful, right,

1751
01:34:08,960 --> 01:34:11,720
Speaker 3: very powerful guy. And he vanished and he has not

1752
01:34:11,880 --> 01:34:15,719
Speaker 3: been seen and he vanished under really suspicious circumstance.

1753
01:34:15,200 --> 01:34:19,400
Speaker 2: Hofstra University yet, right, Courtney, I think he's in New York.

1754
01:34:21,560 --> 01:34:25,960
Speaker 4: US to our list of things to talk about.

1755
01:34:27,640 --> 01:34:31,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have a huge night tomorrow. Listen, I suddenly

1756
01:34:31,920 --> 01:34:33,920
Speaker 2: won't be back tomorrow. We won't back the next night.

1757
01:34:33,960 --> 01:34:37,040
Speaker 2: We will be here on Sunday, though, so be sure

1758
01:34:37,120 --> 01:34:39,559
Speaker 2: to stay with us. This is true crime tonight, talking

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01:34:39,560 --> 01:34:40,920
Speaker 2: true crime all the time.