WEBVTT - Peaches 0:00:15.476 --> 0:00:22.436 Pushkin. Peaches has spent more than two decades pushing boundaries 0:00:22.476 --> 0:00:25.556 and electronic music and performance art, inspiring the look and 0:00:25.596 --> 0:00:28.636 sound of edgy pop artists like Lady Gaga and Grimes. 0:00:29.316 --> 0:00:31.716 But long before she was known for her outrageous stage shows, 0:00:31.756 --> 0:00:33.916 Peaches got her start as part of a folk trio 0:00:33.996 --> 0:00:37.076 in Toronto. It was in the mid nineties, after discovering 0:00:37.116 --> 0:00:39.076 she could become a one woman band with her rolling 0:00:39.116 --> 0:00:42.876 drum machine, that Peaches began developing a provocative new persona. 0:00:43.476 --> 0:00:45.476 In two thousands, she moved to Berlin and released The 0:00:45.516 --> 0:00:48.276 Teaches of Peaches, featuring the song Fuck the Pain Away. 0:00:49.076 --> 0:00:50.996 The track has been cited by Tom York as an 0:00:50.996 --> 0:00:54.316 inspiration while making Radioheads in Rainbows, and has appeared in 0:00:54.316 --> 0:00:57.196 countless movies and TV shows, including South Park, Gloss in 0:00:57.236 --> 0:01:00.876 Translation in The Handmaid's Tale. Peaches has spent the last 0:01:00.916 --> 0:01:04.156 several years creating works for stage and screen, including serving 0:01:04.196 --> 0:01:07.596 as a subject for two recent documentaries. Now, after more 0:01:07.596 --> 0:01:10.156 than a decade, she's returning with No Lube So Rude, 0:01:10.196 --> 0:01:12.876 her first album in over ten years, recorded in Berlin 0:01:12.916 --> 0:01:16.476 with producer The Squirt Deluxe. On today's episode, Lea Rose 0:01:16.516 --> 0:01:18.796 talks to Peach is about making No Lubes so rude, 0:01:18.916 --> 0:01:22.396 and how the album addresses identity, bodily autonomy and offers 0:01:22.436 --> 0:01:25.476 an antidote for all the friction in the world. Peaches 0:01:25.476 --> 0:01:28.316 also discusses how she recently discovered her dad pleaded with 0:01:28.316 --> 0:01:30.476 the bar Mitzvah band to give her her first shot 0:01:30.516 --> 0:01:33.956 performing live on stage, and she shares her deep love 0:01:34.076 --> 0:01:39.556 of seventies rock and roll trivia. This is Broken Record, 0:01:39.996 --> 0:01:49.076 real musicians, real conversations. Here's Leah roodse with Peaches. Head 0:01:49.116 --> 0:01:51.676 over to YouTube dot com slash Broken Record podcast to 0:01:51.676 --> 0:01:53.276 see the full video interview. 0:01:54.236 --> 0:01:54.916 It's so funny. 0:01:54.956 --> 0:01:59.116 I was just watching different video interviews and reading old 0:01:59.196 --> 0:02:02.036 interviews and stuff, and I read about your first ever 0:02:02.236 --> 0:02:05.236 experience with the stage and you actually started as a 0:02:05.236 --> 0:02:06.036 wedding singer. 0:02:06.676 --> 0:02:09.116 I started as about Mitzvah, bar Mitzvah singer. 0:02:09.356 --> 0:02:12.356 Yes, no, yeah. 0:02:12.356 --> 0:02:15.076 I have a lot of cousins in New York, and 0:02:15.196 --> 0:02:19.116 when I was little, I don't know I was. I 0:02:19.156 --> 0:02:23.116 love music. There was no musical talent in my family. 0:02:23.156 --> 0:02:25.676 We listened to a lot of albums and I was 0:02:25.716 --> 0:02:28.316 at my cousin's bar Mitzvah in New York where it 0:02:28.356 --> 0:02:29.836 was like, you know, a big deal. They had the 0:02:29.836 --> 0:02:32.316 bar Mitzvah band, and I turned to my mom and 0:02:32.356 --> 0:02:34.236 I said, can I sing with the band? And she's like, 0:02:34.316 --> 0:02:37.316 I don't know, can you sing? You know, which is 0:02:37.476 --> 0:02:40.716 just funny, Like I don't know why I thought the 0:02:40.756 --> 0:02:45.236 audacity of me. And I just learned this year that 0:02:45.316 --> 0:02:49.436 my dad actually bullied the bar Mitzvah band and said, 0:02:49.956 --> 0:02:52.716 my daughter wants to sing. Let her sing, because they 0:02:52.796 --> 0:02:55.036 I think they said no, but nobody told me that. 0:02:55.756 --> 0:02:58.476 And yeah, my dad said she wants to sing. Let 0:02:58.476 --> 0:03:01.396 her sing. This is something she wants to do. So 0:03:02.156 --> 0:03:04.196 I don't get to thank my dad for it now 0:03:04.236 --> 0:03:06.436 he's past, but I'm letting him know that that was 0:03:06.476 --> 0:03:11.396 a beautiful thing to do for me. And I sang 0:03:11.556 --> 0:03:14.476 Barber streisand the way we were, which is very inappropriate 0:03:14.476 --> 0:03:16.756 for a seven year old to sing about like a 0:03:16.836 --> 0:03:21.716 divorce breakup in the seventies, but that's what we used 0:03:21.716 --> 0:03:24.676 to listen to at home. So I sang that and 0:03:25.236 --> 0:03:29.956 Uncle Morris cried, Oh Wowmars cried, and then I had 0:03:29.996 --> 0:03:32.516 to sing that song at every barmits VN wedding up 0:03:32.596 --> 0:03:36.396 until I was a teenager and could say, listen, I 0:03:36.436 --> 0:03:37.716 can't do this anymore. 0:03:38.796 --> 0:03:40.876 Do you ever listen to that now? And reminisce like, 0:03:40.996 --> 0:03:43.436 is there any songs from your childhood that you listen 0:03:43.516 --> 0:03:47.076 to that you just love and makes you feel like 0:03:47.956 --> 0:03:48.796 warm and cozy? 0:03:49.356 --> 0:03:49.596 Yeah? 0:03:49.676 --> 0:03:53.156 I mean I am a crazy song quiz fin. I 0:03:53.156 --> 0:03:55.436 don't know if you know this game where you like, 0:03:55.556 --> 0:03:57.876 I want to they play you like a part of 0:03:57.876 --> 0:04:00.516 a song and then you have to guess the artist 0:04:00.716 --> 0:04:05.276 and the song. And I cannot get enough of the seventies. 0:04:05.516 --> 0:04:08.716 I can sing every little every lyric from every song 0:04:08.796 --> 0:04:13.836 I know, every artist I know, like stupid trivia about it. 0:04:13.956 --> 0:04:19.516 So no, it warms my heart. And yeah, there's lots 0:04:19.516 --> 0:04:22.876 of albums from my childhood, like like Hair, the album 0:04:22.916 --> 0:04:24.916 Hair I used to like. You know, I'm sure that 0:04:24.996 --> 0:04:28.156 had a big influence on me listening to that or 0:04:29.236 --> 0:04:34.916 you know, it's funny. I listened to Neil Diamond live 0:04:35.036 --> 0:04:38.236 like whatever my parents had. Also ROBERTA. Flack, which was 0:04:38.276 --> 0:04:41.116 a huge one, which is first time ever I saw 0:04:41.156 --> 0:04:44.476 your face. That just kills me. Even talking about that 0:04:44.556 --> 0:04:46.156 song brings tears to my eyes. 0:04:46.836 --> 0:04:50.476 Oh that is such an intense, beautiful song. It's amazing 0:04:51.556 --> 0:04:53.716 speaking of hair. I was going to ask you about this. 0:04:53.996 --> 0:05:00.836 I'm sort of jumping around a little bit. Ye, I 0:05:00.916 --> 0:05:02.556 was going to ask you. So in the Teachers of 0:05:02.596 --> 0:05:07.396 Peaches documentary, a lot of the costumes for the review 0:05:07.476 --> 0:05:10.996 of Peaches that you were doing and going back through 0:05:10.996 --> 0:05:13.876 that album and bringing that back to the stage, a 0:05:13.876 --> 0:05:17.196 lot of hair, a lot of costumes with hair, like 0:05:17.756 --> 0:05:19.316 what's the hair about? 0:05:19.596 --> 0:05:19.956 Okay? 0:05:20.036 --> 0:05:23.756 Well, hair was very important to me as a symbol 0:05:23.996 --> 0:05:31.956 of understanding what beauty is when I was first starting Peaches, Like, 0:05:32.236 --> 0:05:36.356 why is it that if I don't shave my pubic hairs, 0:05:37.116 --> 0:05:42.716 I am dirty or gross, but only because I'm female identified. 0:05:43.156 --> 0:05:46.076 But if I grow the hair on top of my headlong, 0:05:46.236 --> 0:05:50.756 I am beautiful. Or if I have long eyelashes, I 0:05:50.836 --> 0:05:53.036 am a symbol of beauty. But if I shave my 0:05:53.236 --> 0:05:59.476 eyebrows then I'm weird. If I don't shave my legs 0:05:59.596 --> 0:06:05.196 or my armpit hairs, then again that is unacceptable. So 0:06:05.956 --> 0:06:09.316 it's just hair, and we all have it, and there 0:06:09.316 --> 0:06:13.476 are different standards for different constructs of gender. So it 0:06:13.556 --> 0:06:18.596 was me exploring that idea, and so I started with 0:06:18.636 --> 0:06:22.196 the little hot pants and the pubic hair, and I 0:06:22.236 --> 0:06:27.676 met Charlie Lymondo, who is a hairstylist who started when 0:06:27.676 --> 0:06:29.236 he was twelve. His uncle taught him how to do 0:06:29.356 --> 0:06:35.596 hair and he's done hair for everybody, every celebrity, every 0:06:35.756 --> 0:06:39.596 fashion show, you know, through the years. And he showed 0:06:39.676 --> 0:06:43.236 up in Berlin when I was when he was seventeen 0:06:43.276 --> 0:06:46.876 and said, I'm your addresser. Now he's French, I'm your 0:06:46.956 --> 0:06:51.836 addresser and just started doing my hair and cutting hair 0:06:52.036 --> 0:06:56.036 in dark rooms, literally in dark rooms in Berlin. And 0:06:56.076 --> 0:06:56.996 then he turned into. 0:06:56.796 --> 0:06:58.316 Hair like intentionally dark. 0:06:58.516 --> 0:07:02.036 Yeah, yeah, like sex dark rooms that were dark. 0:07:02.636 --> 0:07:03.516 Yeah, okay. 0:07:03.836 --> 0:07:06.756 And the first time he dyed my hair was during 0:07:06.796 --> 0:07:10.156 a DJ set where he hid anunder the DJ set 0:07:10.276 --> 0:07:14.716 and with bleach and a blow dryer and a bottle 0:07:14.756 --> 0:07:17.796 of and like a bottle of water and a bowl 0:07:17.916 --> 0:07:20.476 and he's like, hey, just come down, come up. And 0:07:20.716 --> 0:07:23.156 at one point I disappeared in the DJ set and 0:07:23.196 --> 0:07:27.556 came up with with blonde hair from and. 0:07:27.516 --> 0:07:29.836 Put on a nine minute song and you're like exactly, 0:07:29.916 --> 0:07:32.596 and people thought it was mad or where would I go? 0:07:32.876 --> 0:07:34.996 And when it came back and the people who were 0:07:35.036 --> 0:07:39.356 you know, a little too high or drunk, they were like, wow, 0:07:39.596 --> 0:07:42.036 like did you have blonde hair before it was really 0:07:42.116 --> 0:07:45.116 kind of exciting, and we started to do like performative things, 0:07:45.156 --> 0:07:48.436 and Charlie and I have collaborated a lot, and he 0:07:48.516 --> 0:07:51.596 makes hair fashion. He's also you know, moving into that. 0:07:51.836 --> 0:07:55.836 So some of those, all those outfits were made by 0:07:56.156 --> 0:08:01.236 Charlie and so they're quite amazing and so we use them. 0:08:02.156 --> 0:08:05.196 Yeah, and then that's carried over into the new project. 0:08:05.236 --> 0:08:08.836 It seems like I saw the newer photos on your 0:08:08.876 --> 0:08:13.236 in there's more hair. There's hair showing up in different places. 0:08:13.356 --> 0:08:18.516 There's hair. Yes, definitely, the theme you know that was hair. 0:08:18.796 --> 0:08:21.716 My themes have also been a lot you know, imagery 0:08:21.956 --> 0:08:26.196 of like the absurdity of our bodies and how we 0:08:26.316 --> 0:08:30.956 are shameful of them, and also making the ridiculous fun 0:08:31.156 --> 0:08:35.116 and question to like raise questions. So I had which 0:08:35.236 --> 0:08:40.996 Charlie also made a multi multi breast bathing suit, or 0:08:41.076 --> 0:08:46.236 like all Dick costumes, there's like a vagina head that 0:08:46.316 --> 0:08:49.596 I wear, or my dancers turn into huge vaginas. And 0:08:49.636 --> 0:08:55.396 this time around the theme is get Ready prolapse. Prolapse 0:08:55.476 --> 0:08:57.476 is like when it all just kind of blurts out. 0:08:57.556 --> 0:09:02.516 It's it's kind of like dropping gravity. So yeah, and 0:09:02.636 --> 0:09:09.876 also like growing, vulging, you know, festering, and so that's 0:09:09.916 --> 0:09:11.796 kind of I think it feel like where we're at 0:09:12.396 --> 0:09:14.916 understanding our bodies and understanding the world. 0:09:14.996 --> 0:09:19.596 So yeah, we're yeah, so yeah, prolapse. 0:09:19.676 --> 0:09:24.636 So then that leads right into hanging Titties hang exactly. 0:09:25.436 --> 0:09:27.636 So tell me about Hanging Titties? Why is that the 0:09:27.676 --> 0:09:31.996 first song? And also when you're when you're sequencing an album, 0:09:32.476 --> 0:09:35.316 do you think of it sort of as like creating 0:09:35.356 --> 0:09:38.876 an arc? Or how do you put the songs together? 0:09:38.956 --> 0:09:41.396 Is it just what sounds good coming after another, like 0:09:41.436 --> 0:09:44.796 thinking like a DJ? Or how how does the sequencing 0:09:44.836 --> 0:09:45.316 work for you? 0:09:45.556 --> 0:09:48.236 It's all of that. It's definitely you know, you want 0:09:48.236 --> 0:09:50.716 to think thematically and you definitely want an arc, or 0:09:50.756 --> 0:09:55.716 I do because I I think of it as an album. Yeah, 0:09:55.956 --> 0:09:57.916 so you do think about an arc, but you also 0:09:57.996 --> 0:10:01.036 have to make sure that the songs work together, and 0:10:01.076 --> 0:10:03.116 the same with when you're making a live show, which 0:10:03.156 --> 0:10:07.236 won't be the same kind of order because you listen 0:10:07.316 --> 0:10:12.916 differently than when you experience it live, I believe. Yeah, 0:10:12.956 --> 0:10:15.676 So I thought it was just such a strong statement. 0:10:15.796 --> 0:10:18.116 I don't know, can you say anything on this podcast? 0:10:18.156 --> 0:10:19.956 I guess so I don't know, so, I mean, I 0:10:20.036 --> 0:10:23.076 just thought it was so strong to just own the 0:10:23.116 --> 0:10:26.236 hanging titties as cunt, you know, like older than you 0:10:26.276 --> 0:10:28.436 looking so cunt. Oh look at you, all of my 0:10:28.516 --> 0:10:31.236 cunt thirsty much. My hanging titties hit like the punch, like, 0:10:31.716 --> 0:10:35.676 you know, because everybody's always like my teenies and I 0:10:35.676 --> 0:10:39.476 defy gravity and they're cute and you love them, and 0:10:39.836 --> 0:10:41.836 you know, which is great and that when you're that 0:10:41.916 --> 0:10:43.556 age and you have them, you should own it. So 0:10:43.636 --> 0:10:46.996 I'm owning what I have and I'm representing my age 0:10:47.076 --> 0:10:48.956 and owning it and you're loving it. 0:10:51.596 --> 0:10:56.676 How does it feel now that your body's changing and 0:10:56.716 --> 0:11:00.276 you're on stage and so much of you is revealed? 0:11:00.276 --> 0:11:00.956 At times? 0:11:01.676 --> 0:11:04.116 I think it's even more important. And that's that's I 0:11:04.156 --> 0:11:08.156 think by virtue of me being like that, that's that's strong. 0:11:09.516 --> 0:11:12.196 Does is there any apprehension like, oh fuck, like I 0:11:12.196 --> 0:11:14.476 have to get on stage like my body's changing. 0:11:14.876 --> 0:11:17.836 No, this is me, this is my this is also 0:11:17.956 --> 0:11:22.996 my reckoning, this is also my manifestation, like and come on, 0:11:23.076 --> 0:11:23.756 I'm not old. 0:11:23.876 --> 0:11:24.756 I'm not that old. 0:11:25.116 --> 0:11:27.236 I'm just and I'm also saying like come on, I'm 0:11:27.236 --> 0:11:30.396 not that old, like Also, we're living longer, you know, 0:11:31.476 --> 0:11:33.756 people are living till one hundred. You no longer have 0:11:33.796 --> 0:11:37.756 to think about your life in thirds, right, I think 0:11:37.756 --> 0:11:39.876 about it, I guess in thirds, and now you think 0:11:39.916 --> 0:11:44.276 of it in quarters. And also if you think about 0:11:44.916 --> 0:11:48.356 when you were young and your parents or your grandparents, 0:11:48.436 --> 0:11:51.956 what they what they experience as being that age, and 0:11:52.676 --> 0:11:56.356 it was it was a little it was different. They 0:11:56.476 --> 0:11:59.436 understood things different, they went through different things. They didn't 0:11:59.556 --> 0:12:04.716 have this pop culture experience that we do now and 0:12:04.796 --> 0:12:08.276 continue to have and find joy in. So you know, 0:12:08.356 --> 0:12:11.556 it's more like the kids, the parents and the grandparents 0:12:11.556 --> 0:12:15.476 are like, let's go, let's go, Like we understand coming 0:12:15.476 --> 0:12:19.236 together in physical spaces more than the younger generations do. 0:12:19.716 --> 0:12:23.756 So I read that you have been exploring yourself more 0:12:23.796 --> 0:12:28.356 deeply in recent years, and I'm just curious what that 0:12:28.636 --> 0:12:32.476 means and how or if that connects to the new 0:12:32.516 --> 0:12:33.156 album at all. 0:12:33.916 --> 0:12:39.556 Yeah, I guess exploring myself deeper sounds kind of elusive, 0:12:39.636 --> 0:12:43.716 but I guess what it means is, you know, at 0:12:43.756 --> 0:12:48.236 the age I'm at, there's a recogning that happening happens. 0:12:48.676 --> 0:12:52.116 This is a reckoning that's happening in terms of like, 0:12:53.156 --> 0:12:56.316 I feel like the work I have done has been 0:12:56.756 --> 0:13:06.516 very performative and very outward and very direct obviously, and 0:13:08.356 --> 0:13:12.076 I realize that a lot of them are manifestations. They're 0:13:12.076 --> 0:13:15.156 not always completely this is how I am, and we're 0:13:15.196 --> 0:13:18.636 never this is how I am. You know, they are manifestations. 0:13:18.716 --> 0:13:23.196 There are ways to help us come into these beings, 0:13:23.676 --> 0:13:28.636 and as we do, there's also voices behind, or little 0:13:28.636 --> 0:13:32.596 things behind, saying like what is the deeper meaning of that? 0:13:33.276 --> 0:13:36.636 Or what is what is your feeling? Even though you're 0:13:36.636 --> 0:13:39.036 doing those manifestations and putting them out in the world 0:13:39.076 --> 0:13:47.276 and performing them and discussing with a community and that 0:13:47.476 --> 0:13:54.316 helps also motivate themselves and mobilized people together and all 0:13:54.356 --> 0:13:58.916 those things, there's still things inside yourself that you need 0:13:58.956 --> 0:14:02.756 to reckon with. So that's where I think the exploration 0:14:04.076 --> 0:14:09.916 is showing up in the album. So there's still obviously 0:14:10.676 --> 0:14:21.516 me advocating and finding creative and humorous and entertainment ways 0:14:21.676 --> 0:14:26.196 and camp ways of dealing with the world around us, 0:14:26.236 --> 0:14:27.996 but I'm also dealing with myself. 0:14:29.396 --> 0:14:31.636 We'll be back with more from Peaches after the break. 0:14:35.916 --> 0:14:37.196 I know that you've been super busy. 0:14:37.236 --> 0:14:40.316 This is I think it's like your first full length 0:14:40.396 --> 0:14:44.316 album in ten years, but you've been doing a bunch 0:14:44.356 --> 0:14:49.316 of other stuff in the meantime. Yeah, why now, like, 0:14:49.436 --> 0:14:52.916 why did you decide to do the album now? Was 0:14:52.956 --> 0:14:55.396 it something that you always knew you wanted to do 0:14:55.476 --> 0:14:59.556 another album, or did it sort of just come together organically. 0:15:00.356 --> 0:15:04.396 I did want to do another album. I did a 0:15:06.276 --> 0:15:10.076 teaches of Peach's twenty year anniversary tour actually twenty two 0:15:10.156 --> 0:15:13.356 years after because of COVID, so we had to delay 0:15:13.396 --> 0:15:17.156 it a little bit, but it again, you know, and 0:15:17.236 --> 0:15:20.516 I also was still playing live a lot. And I 0:15:20.636 --> 0:15:24.796 understand that I have a huge body of work and 0:15:24.836 --> 0:15:27.996 a legacy and a point of view, and that I 0:15:27.996 --> 0:15:31.316 could be a sort of review of myself, you know, 0:15:31.516 --> 0:15:33.436 just take the body of work and keep doing it. 0:15:33.916 --> 0:15:37.876 But I just thought, after all the projects I've been doing, 0:15:37.996 --> 0:15:41.436 let's go back to music, and let's let's get out 0:15:41.476 --> 0:15:47.156 there with new material and fresh, fresh takes on what 0:15:47.396 --> 0:15:50.476 is going on with me where I'm at now, and 0:15:50.556 --> 0:15:55.116 also with the world, with the world and where it's at, 0:15:55.796 --> 0:16:00.756 and you know, it's very important to express these new 0:16:00.756 --> 0:16:03.916 ideas and also hearing people and coming together, you know, 0:16:04.156 --> 0:16:08.156 physically coming together and also getting out here and talking 0:16:08.196 --> 0:16:11.036 to you everybody, and you know, because you put out 0:16:11.036 --> 0:16:14.516 a new album, then it does put a resurgence into 0:16:14.716 --> 0:16:18.076 people wanting to talk to me and interview me and 0:16:18.396 --> 0:16:25.036 and and it helps expand my platform and help mobilize. 0:16:25.156 --> 0:16:27.676 I'm really using that word mobilize a lot. But that's 0:16:28.356 --> 0:16:31.996 that's what I really feel like. That's the motivating factor 0:16:32.076 --> 0:16:32.516 right now. 0:16:33.356 --> 0:16:35.076 What's your favorite part of this process? 0:16:35.316 --> 0:16:39.156 Do you enjoy the creative part, the performative part, the 0:16:39.196 --> 0:16:42.676 marketing part. There's so many different hats you have to 0:16:42.716 --> 0:16:45.836 wear when you're out creating and then promoting a project. 0:16:47.836 --> 0:16:51.956 I always get stressed out doing press. I think I'm 0:16:51.956 --> 0:16:53.516 always like, no, I don't want to do it, And 0:16:53.596 --> 0:16:57.076 then when I actually do it, it helps me understand 0:16:57.116 --> 0:16:59.316 everything that's going on, and I really I get to 0:16:59.436 --> 0:17:02.436 where people are at and it's actually really great, but 0:17:02.516 --> 0:17:05.676 I'm so begrudgingly like, But then when I get there, 0:17:05.676 --> 0:17:09.956 I'm so excited about it. Yes, and so I do 0:17:10.476 --> 0:17:13.516 enjoy that. That is a big learning for me. And 0:17:15.356 --> 0:17:19.516 but my love is on the stage. I love the stage. 0:17:20.596 --> 0:17:21.436 I'm a show gulf. 0:17:22.956 --> 0:17:24.996 Do you feel like when you start a show that 0:17:25.076 --> 0:17:29.796 you have to like get the crowd comfortable or get 0:17:29.836 --> 0:17:33.436 people to sort of like jump start their fun. Is 0:17:33.436 --> 0:17:35.956 that sort of like a pressurized thing for you? Or 0:17:36.036 --> 0:17:38.916 how do you sort of like ease them into it 0:17:39.036 --> 0:17:39.996 or get them excited? 0:17:40.876 --> 0:17:43.476 I feel like they're so damn excited or any Yeah, 0:17:43.516 --> 0:17:46.996 so I just can and they're like, which way is 0:17:47.036 --> 0:17:48.556 she going to do the show? Is it going to 0:17:48.596 --> 0:17:51.236 be through silence? Is going to be a big dance? 0:17:51.556 --> 0:17:54.916 Like There's so many ways I have presented shows, and 0:17:54.956 --> 0:17:58.116 I feel like they're all effective in different ways. You know. 0:17:58.316 --> 0:18:02.236 Yeah, as you were coming up and figuring out who 0:18:02.276 --> 0:18:05.396 you were going to be on stage, at what point 0:18:05.516 --> 0:18:08.156 did you really figure out how to work the crowd? 0:18:08.516 --> 0:18:11.076 And when did you feel like, Okay, I have this power? 0:18:14.556 --> 0:18:18.716 That is a very good question. I feel like it 0:18:18.836 --> 0:18:22.156 evolved when I saw how people were reacting to me 0:18:22.556 --> 0:18:27.196 and how I was not interested in just you know, 0:18:27.316 --> 0:18:31.276 I wanted to be connected to people. I wanted to 0:18:31.276 --> 0:18:34.196 be in their face. I wanted to be a performer. 0:18:34.356 --> 0:18:36.716 I wanted to be in the moment. So I would 0:18:36.756 --> 0:18:40.076 just keep trying things. Yeah, I would just the more 0:18:40.116 --> 0:18:42.036 I would go and then I would go like, oh 0:18:42.076 --> 0:18:45.156 now let me try another little costume. Or let me 0:18:45.196 --> 0:18:48.236 do a costume change, or people would actually give me 0:18:48.396 --> 0:18:52.876 things like costumes and I'd be like, oh, I could 0:18:52.996 --> 0:18:55.196 use that, or let me try that out. So it's 0:18:55.196 --> 0:19:01.636 also like really came from from people responding to what 0:19:01.716 --> 0:19:06.196 I was doing in real time or through through gifts 0:19:06.356 --> 0:19:09.956 or being inspired to give me things by what I 0:19:10.036 --> 0:19:10.436 was doing. 0:19:12.756 --> 0:19:15.996 And I'm also curious about the evolution and how you 0:19:16.076 --> 0:19:20.476 came to Peaches. So you started as a bot mitzvah singer, 0:19:20.676 --> 0:19:25.476 that was your debut, and then talk a little bit 0:19:25.556 --> 0:19:30.076 about the different you know, genres or different type of 0:19:30.196 --> 0:19:33.156 styles you tried and how you got to Peaches because 0:19:33.196 --> 0:19:36.156 Peaches didn't happen till you were in your thirties. 0:19:35.876 --> 0:19:39.396 Right, Yeah, Yeah, So I started as a bar mitzvah singer. 0:19:39.436 --> 0:19:43.556 I loved singing. There was no real outlet, you know. 0:19:43.836 --> 0:19:46.956 I could play the recorder in music class, but I 0:19:46.996 --> 0:19:48.836 never thought it could really be a musician, because I 0:19:48.876 --> 0:19:53.516 thought you needed to have like people in your family 0:19:53.556 --> 0:19:57.116 playing music, or that you needed training or all these things. 0:19:57.876 --> 0:19:59.276 Like I said, we spent a lot of time in 0:19:59.316 --> 0:20:02.076 New York. I saw a few Broadway plays. There was 0:20:02.116 --> 0:20:05.636 a lot of weird, amazing musicals on late night TV 0:20:05.756 --> 0:20:09.796 in Toronto, and I what I came too is that 0:20:09.876 --> 0:20:13.636 I wanted to be a theater director, so that was 0:20:13.676 --> 0:20:16.516 more of my focus in theater. But it always centered 0:20:16.516 --> 0:20:19.116 around music, so I never really realized that it was 0:20:19.116 --> 0:20:22.596 like music that was driving it. There was something about 0:20:22.676 --> 0:20:25.836 theaters that didn't have this immediacy that I wanted. But 0:20:25.956 --> 0:20:32.116 I ended up going to theater directing school for university 0:20:32.836 --> 0:20:35.356 for first year and then said I wanted to do 0:20:35.556 --> 0:20:39.636 cool musicals to people, and other directors would scoff at me, 0:20:39.676 --> 0:20:42.316 they'd laugh at me. They'd say, we are doing ibs 0:20:42.356 --> 0:20:45.836 in here, we are doing checkof so nobody really took 0:20:45.876 --> 0:20:48.876 it seriously. I thought it wasn't so serious. I thought 0:20:48.916 --> 0:20:52.076 it was going to be a really cool way. But 0:20:52.996 --> 0:20:55.556 I dropped out of the program and I just started 0:20:55.596 --> 0:20:59.356 to take other arts and understand where I was at. 0:20:59.396 --> 0:21:02.276 And I needed a job and I worked at a 0:21:02.356 --> 0:21:08.516 daycare and I was playing acoustic guitar and realized that 0:21:08.676 --> 0:21:11.476 these kids are very bored and the teachers are bored, 0:21:11.836 --> 0:21:16.436 and I started to develop sort of theater games and 0:21:16.796 --> 0:21:21.836 music where these young kids could relate to and role play, 0:21:21.956 --> 0:21:26.876 but really learn and process and not have to like 0:21:26.876 --> 0:21:29.316 like stand in front of their parents in it too 0:21:29.356 --> 0:21:33.076 too and say a line like I'm pretty you know. 0:21:33.316 --> 0:21:36.516 So it wasn't about the parents. Weren't allowed, they weren't 0:21:36.516 --> 0:21:39.676 even invited to this conversation. It was just about the kids. 0:21:39.676 --> 0:21:41.996 And every week they would like develop these things and 0:21:41.996 --> 0:21:44.716 it was an amazing program. I worked at the YMCA 0:21:44.996 --> 0:21:47.516 and then head a YMCA recognize what I was doing. 0:21:47.556 --> 0:21:51.756 I started working around the holes all the YMCAs in 0:21:51.796 --> 0:21:55.036 Toronto and then private schools because I wasn't a teacher. 0:21:55.556 --> 0:21:59.156 And while I was learning acoustic guitar, I had an 0:21:59.236 --> 0:22:03.156 ex girlfriend who also played acoustic guitar, and we were 0:22:03.196 --> 0:22:05.956 writing songs and we got a gig together at a 0:22:05.956 --> 0:22:10.716 small pub and it went well, and so we played 0:22:10.756 --> 0:22:12.916 every week and another friend joint, so we became a 0:22:12.956 --> 0:22:16.676 trio Mermaide Cafe and we would be singing folks songs, 0:22:16.796 --> 0:22:20.636 mostly breakup songs, singing harmonies about breaking up with each other, 0:22:21.236 --> 0:22:22.596 which was funny. 0:22:22.756 --> 0:22:24.116 But were they original songs? 0:22:24.836 --> 0:22:28.076 All original songs. The name Mermaid Cafe came from Joni 0:22:28.196 --> 0:22:31.556 Mitchell's song Kerry. That was the only song we covered, 0:22:31.596 --> 0:22:35.116 I think yeah, And they were all originals. And so 0:22:35.196 --> 0:22:37.796 I was teaching during the day and you know, learning 0:22:37.836 --> 0:22:41.516 that I was a musician. At night, we would practice 0:22:42.196 --> 0:22:44.396 three I wasn't I was one of the writers, but 0:22:44.436 --> 0:22:48.116 I wasn't like the main, main writer, you know. But 0:22:48.196 --> 0:22:51.076 we would all write songs and perform them that week. 0:22:51.756 --> 0:22:53.236 And then after a year of that, I was like, 0:22:53.276 --> 0:22:55.556 I don't want to I think I want to explore 0:22:55.596 --> 0:22:58.996 more than being an acoustic musician. And I started playing 0:22:59.036 --> 0:23:04.916 electric guitar and I had more posts kind of indie rock, 0:23:05.076 --> 0:23:08.356 trying that out, and it didn't really resonate with people. 0:23:08.436 --> 0:23:13.476 I mean, I learned lot, and then I had this 0:23:14.156 --> 0:23:19.276 epiphany jam with a friend who was in another band. 0:23:19.476 --> 0:23:21.636 She was kind of dissatisfied with that band, and I 0:23:21.676 --> 0:23:24.636 wanted to start ah girl band. Yeah, that's gonna be 0:23:24.676 --> 0:23:27.796 the way, and she said, well, I have a crush 0:23:27.876 --> 0:23:30.756 on this guy. And my neighbor, who also is a musician, 0:23:30.916 --> 0:23:33.396 has some space in their basement and we could jam there. 0:23:33.956 --> 0:23:39.356 And so I went begrudgingly again like guys rare, but 0:23:41.076 --> 0:23:42.996 I didn't say a word to them. I was really like, 0:23:43.036 --> 0:23:45.356 I brought my electric guitar and I was like, we're 0:23:45.356 --> 0:23:51.436 gonna jam, and we smoked a big, huge joint and 0:23:51.516 --> 0:23:55.196 then we started playing and everybody just started yelling anything 0:23:55.356 --> 0:24:00.116 like sexual and profane things, and it was really exciting. 0:24:00.556 --> 0:24:04.076 And then someone out people yeah, someone yelled switch and 0:24:04.116 --> 0:24:07.636 we switched instruments. I had never played drums before, and 0:24:07.676 --> 0:24:10.676 all of a sudden, I was playing drums, switched again, 0:24:10.716 --> 0:24:14.436 and I was on like a synthesizer, which I always 0:24:15.276 --> 0:24:18.116 at that point thought was anna cool because I was like, 0:24:18.276 --> 0:24:22.236 punk is a synthesize, And then I was like, whoaa, synthesizer. 0:24:22.476 --> 0:24:24.556 You could play one note and then like filter it 0:24:24.596 --> 0:24:26.876