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Speaker 1: Call It what it is with Jessica Capshaw and Camil Ludington,

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Speaker 1: an iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 2: Hello, we have.

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Speaker 3: Another short and sweet for you, very exciting. We have voicemails.

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Speaker 1: Oh I love voicemails. I love hearing.

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Speaker 3: I love voicemails.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I know the call it croup and calling in

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Speaker 4: leaving us messages, and we are dedicating this entire episode

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Speaker 4: to listening to some of those.

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Speaker 3: So let's just get into it. Let's go.

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Speaker 5: Hi, Jessica and Camilla. I'm so excited to be talking

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Speaker 5: to you, guys, huge, huge fan. My advice seeking is

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Speaker 5: about being thirty and a woman and struggling kind of

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Speaker 5: for the first time ever with some really severe self

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Speaker 5: questioning and self doubt. I have a successful career as

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Speaker 5: a college professor, I'm educated, I have a ton of

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Speaker 5: friends and a great family, so I've accomplished a lot

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Speaker 5: in my adulthood. And I never worried about being single.

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Speaker 5: I never worried about checking like societal boxes, about you know,

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Speaker 5: being a homeowner, having kids, stuff like that.

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Speaker 6: But ever since I.

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Speaker 5: Turned thirty, I'm experiencing this like crazy level of self

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Speaker 5: doubt for the first time, and it's gotten worse in

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Speaker 5: the past couple of months, because I recently took the

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Speaker 5: leap of starting.

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Speaker 6: My own wedding planning business, which is something I've always

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Speaker 6: wanted to do professionally, and as exciting as it is,

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Speaker 6: I am just truly terrified and feeling a little bit

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Speaker 6: overwhelmed and paralyzed by self doubt. It's scary to take

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Speaker 6: a risk on yourself, and I feel like a little

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Speaker 6: kid playing dress up. I can't help but wondering, you know,

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Speaker 6: if I had a partner, would I feel better?

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Speaker 7: Am I the.

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Speaker 5: Last single thirty year.

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Speaker 6: Old left stuff like that?

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Speaker 5: So I guess I'm.

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Speaker 6: Just panicking about being thirty and being scared to do

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Speaker 6: big things on my own, but also not wanting to

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Speaker 6: feel obligated to find a partner and just struggling a

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Speaker 6: little bit with that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, first of all, don't panic. Don't panic.

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Speaker 3: Everything you just said sounds so incredible. I was gonna say,

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Speaker 3: awesome and exciting. I think you're exactly where you should be.

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Speaker 2: It sounds like you are.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what your own personal box is.

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Speaker 1: Where my guest is with all of you've accomplished that,

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Speaker 1: you've done some thinking about it because you sure have

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Speaker 1: achieved a lot, So I would say, you know, to

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Speaker 1: really look at all that you've accomplished and feel that,

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Speaker 1: feel the power. I mean, again, we get into the

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Speaker 1: gratitude piece, right when we're looking at what we do

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Speaker 1: have and we express our gratitude for it, it just grows.

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Speaker 1: And maybe you just need that to grow and edge

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Speaker 1: out the self doubt because self doubt is inevitable, right,

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Speaker 1: You're always going to think of it on some level.

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Speaker 1: But if it's not serving you, which doesn't sound like

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Speaker 1: it is, I think that you can let all that

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Speaker 1: you've accomplished sort of again edge out the self doubt

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Speaker 1: and focus on that and not on what you don't have.

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Speaker 4: I also think there's something weird when you turn thirty

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Speaker 4: because when we grew when we were growing up, what

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Speaker 4: being home owners earlier than you in their twenties and

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Speaker 4: having the kids and having the husband, and generationally there

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Speaker 4: has been and is there is a shift that's happening.

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Speaker 4: And so I think that two things are sort of

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Speaker 4: butting up against themselves. And that's what we grew up

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Speaker 4: thinking we would be doing at thirty, because that's what

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Speaker 3: Maybe I'll do that in my forties. And that's what happens.

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Speaker 4: I feel like on thirtieth birthdays, it's like the generational

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Speaker 4: like bumping up against each other. And it sounds to

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Speaker 4: me like this should be an amazing birthday. You have

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Speaker 4: this incredible career, and you have this new thing that

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Speaker 4: all sounds exciting, and I think that, yeah, let go

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Speaker 2: Not even close.

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Speaker 1: And I think that sometimes what I've heard people talk

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Speaker 1: in your friend group you are, and which case, don't

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Speaker 1: get get rid of those friends. Love those friends. Those

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Speaker 1: friends are amazing, But you might want to reach out

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Speaker 1: to some you know, other ladies who are also single,

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Speaker 1: because that's fun and that's going to get you out,

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Speaker 1: and that's going to get you thinking about that you're

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Speaker 1: not alone A and that B you have you know,

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Speaker 1: a wang person to go with you to, you know,

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Speaker 1: wherever you want to go to meet people. You know,

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Speaker 1: I famously said earlier to the gym or to the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the movie there where you love a movie theater friend.

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Speaker 4: I also turned thirty, not married.

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Speaker 1: I thought you were gonna say I just turned thirty

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Speaker 1: a little bit ago, and I was like, come on,

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Speaker 4: It was a little bit ago, but I was not married,

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Speaker 4: I did not have kids, and I felt just fine

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think you're I think you're good.

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Speaker 6: Good.

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Speaker 1: Focus on what you do have and then make sure

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Speaker 1: that you've got some friends that are also single so

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Speaker 1: that you can experience not feeling alone and going out

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Speaker 1: and get into it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, all right.

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Speaker 7: Next, hello, ladies, my name is Christopher from Ireland and

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Speaker 7: forty five years old, a single gay man, and can

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Speaker 7: I just say firstly that I absolutely addore the two

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Speaker 7: of you, and I love this podcast. I let all

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Speaker 7: the episodes build up for a while and then I

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Speaker 6: My question is.

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Speaker 7: I'm, like I said, I'm forty five years old and

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Speaker 7: at this stage I'm still lost in life in terms

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Speaker 7: of let you know what direction, what my purpose is.

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Speaker 7: I'm working in a job that's not my passion, but

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Speaker 7: it's paying the way. I'm just wondering, and you give

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Speaker 3: Love you, Ah, I love you. I love her too.

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Speaker 3: I love hearing from you Ireland. My grandma's Irish.

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Speaker 4: She's from County Mayo, So a little shout out to

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Speaker 4: the Irish peeps listening.

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Speaker 1: Do you ever sometimes people, when you hear voices, it's

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Speaker 1: just like there's a complete energy and understanding of who

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Speaker 1: the person is. Yeah, because I heard like the kindest

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Speaker 1: how specific he was about something that was obviously very

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Speaker 1: non specific. And I just have to say that sometimes

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Speaker 1: it's just the energy that your that your voice carries

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Speaker 1: with you that actually says so so, so so much.

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Speaker 1: So that's a big question. And I guess my first

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Speaker 1: response would be, I think you're on your way a

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Speaker 3: Because he's asking the question in the first place, because

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Speaker 1: There was something in his voice that was just so

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Speaker 1: open and available, and so often that's the toughest part.

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Speaker 1: Like sometimes the toughest part is being open to your

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Speaker 1: life and sort of that surrender where it's like, I

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Speaker 1: don't know what's gonna happen. I'm gonna show up and

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna do all the things, and then i'm gonna

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Speaker 1: let like I'm gonna I'm gonna let I'm obviously being

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Speaker 1: a little bit non specific here. I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I just felt like, it's such a big question when

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Speaker 4: because this is what I did.

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Speaker 3: Did you ever make one of those dream boards? Yes,

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Speaker 3: vision boards? The vision boards.

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Speaker 4: The vision board really helped me because I was forced

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Speaker 4: just really making that decision of what that looked like

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Speaker 4: think it's a little because when you ask a big

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Speaker 3: And I feel like it might be a good task.

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Speaker 4: A good exercise, A good exercise. I think it might

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Speaker 4: be a good exercise to literally make your own vision

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Speaker 1: That is such good advice. I mean, that is such

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Speaker 1: good advice. And I was struggling with how big the

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Speaker 1: an actual physical board. It can be a whiteboard, it

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Speaker 1: at the beginning of every school year. Yeah, and we

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Speaker 1: would just you you get images of things that you like.

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Speaker 1: Or it can be you know, a picture of a

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Speaker 1: beautiful place that you want to go. It can also

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Speaker 1: be inspiring phrases or words, things that you need to

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Speaker 1: use as a personal monitra. Like if you're really looking

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Speaker 1: for purpose, then it can be just that, like purpose,

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Speaker 1: like what is my what is my call? What calls

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Speaker 6: What?

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Speaker 1: It's specific as like do I want to wake up

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Speaker 1: at eleven am for my job? You know, like just

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Speaker 1: getting specific, specific about what it is that you want

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Speaker 1: to attract. Because that's what the vision board is meant

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Speaker 1: that you are then attracting them. So I think that's awesome, Christopher. Yes,

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Speaker 1: what Camilla said, do that. I want a vision board

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Speaker 1: and I please, please please send us a.

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Speaker 3: Picture of it. Yeah, I love that too.

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Speaker 1: That was good.

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Speaker 3: Thanks you pulled nowhere. I know it was a big

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Speaker 3: I got this.

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Speaker 6: I know.

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Speaker 3: It's the first time I ever felt like I got it.

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Speaker 3: Jess always has.

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Speaker 4: It and I'm like, yeah, but this time I.

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Speaker 3: Was like, yes, it's my turn, shine, hold my cup,

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Speaker 3: Hold my cup, I've got a vision board. Everyone shut up.

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Speaker 3: I read the book The Secret. I know what I'm

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna have that? Was it?

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Speaker 3: No, I just amazing, it's over. The moment's gone for me.

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Speaker 3: I just blew my load on that.

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Speaker 1: No, my eyes started like dwelling. I felt I got

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Speaker 3: I was that'll be the last time that happened us.

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Speaker 2: Nope, Okay, Anonymous.

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Speaker 5: My girls love the show.

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Speaker 8: I'm so I just love listening to it. It's amazing.

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Speaker 8: I'm calling because I just am in the phase of life.

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Speaker 8: I got married about two years and I'm just in

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Speaker 6: Rushed to go to the next phase, but also.

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Speaker 8: Sitting in the excitement of what is happening now and

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Speaker 6: Ready to have babies, but no I want babies face.

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Speaker 6: So thanks to have a great day.

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Speaker 2: I love this question.

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Speaker 4: First off, I love that she knows she knows what

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Speaker 1: I think in that post, well, obviously you're talking about

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Speaker 1: then do it. Oh my gosh, cause there won't be

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Speaker 1: But you have a unique opportunity to be with your

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Speaker 1: And then I think that there's also the part that's like,

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Speaker 1: I was sort of like, oh no, I just have

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Speaker 1: I don't know. And for me, it was a lot

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Speaker 4: No you literally it's funny because I'm listening and I

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Speaker 4: remember you saying to me that's actually no technically, no

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Speaker 4: good time. There's no good There's not going to be

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and you know it. It is apparent. It's

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Speaker 4: As two people that have kids, please enjoy your marriage.

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Speaker 4: You're newlywed still it's two years, Like, please enjoy that time.

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Speaker 4: And everyone else can just shut up, because you know what,

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Speaker 4: I didn't ever look at anybody and think, wow, they've

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Speaker 4: I love just recently on the recently on the pod,

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Speaker 4: and the suggestion box is closed. We're not taking suggestions

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Speaker 4: of timelines in our marriage.

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Speaker 1: Why does anybody feel like that's a sandbox that they

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Speaker 3: No, you are, no, you do not.

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Speaker 1: This is not a democracy within our marriage.

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Speaker 4: We are not taking votes.

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Speaker 1: And when we should start the family that is a

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Speaker 4: I love though, that you just actually use the Our

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Speaker 3: That's so great. Love it love that.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, well, I just love love love these voicemails.

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Speaker 1: I got to tell you.

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Speaker 4: Keep them coming, keep going at that well, because hearing

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Speaker 3: Keep them coming.

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Speaker 4: We will make sure to play them on short and sweet,

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Speaker 4: and to try and figure all this stuff out.

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Speaker 1: Also, please, you know know that we do plan on

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Speaker 3: And this is another episode of Short and Sweet. Thank

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Speaker 3: you for listening.