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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,
Speaker 2: my name is Nol.
Speaker 3: They call me Ben.
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Speaker 3: Quick bit of.
Speaker 4: Housekeeping at the top, folks. As we said in our
Speaker 4: weekly listener mail segment, we've done a little bit of
Speaker 4: a switcheroo this week, so strange news is coming to
Speaker 4: you on a Thursday. You're in the right place, and
Speaker 4: we'll be back to regularly scheduled's programming next week. That's
Speaker 4: just the check in tolection. There wasn't a Mandela effect.
Speaker 4: There wasn't some weird cognitive shift. We are going to
Speaker 4: talk about some shifting things. We are going to learn
Speaker 4: some unpleasant facts for anybody who owns or thinks of
Speaker 4: owning a car. We are going to there's so much.
Speaker 4: We're going to dive into a story that's been obsessing
Speaker 4: me for a while. Regarding a very smart man who
Speaker 4: found some very strange things off the coast of Papua
Speaker 4: New Guinea. But before we do any of that, we're
Speaker 4: thematically returning to a great fascination the rise of super pigs,
Speaker 4: which we previously reported on in North America. But this
Speaker 4: story takes us somewhere far far away.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it does, to the land of Bavaria in Deutschland,
Speaker 5: where I once was a young German boy. It's true,
Speaker 5: I don't know. These are definitely super pigs of a type.
Speaker 5: I let's call them super fund pigs, shall we These
Speaker 5: we've we've actually on both on something I want you
Speaker 5: to know, any Ridiculous History. We've been talking a lot
Speaker 5: about nuclear waste sites and nuclear dump sites and places
Speaker 5: that you can and can't visit. Obviously, the places that
Speaker 5: you can't go, we went into quite a few of those,
Speaker 5: and also on a recent clip show of Ridiculous History,
Speaker 5: we had a whole section on broken arrows and toxic
Speaker 5: dump sites that you can actually visit. What often comes up,
Speaker 5: or a site that often comes up in these types
Speaker 5: of conversations is Chernobyl, a Russian nuclear reactor that famously
Speaker 5: melted down and then communications famously broke down, or perhaps
Speaker 5: by design, the information of what was actually occurring when
Speaker 5: it was occurring, was not shared with the public in
Speaker 5: Russia let al art of the Soviet former Soviet Union,
Speaker 5: let alone outside of its borders. But many, many, many
Speaker 5: years later, the literal fallout of that event continues to
Speaker 5: cause problems in in environments well beyond the balance of
Speaker 5: what is now Russia, and one of those places is
Speaker 5: in the forests of Bavaria, in the famous Black Forests.
Speaker 5: I believe maybe I'm wrong about that, but there are
Speaker 5: definitely some environments in Bavaria that have had soil contamination
Speaker 5: that was until now largely blamed on fallout from Chernobyl.
Speaker 5: So a byproduct of nuclear fission, whether it be from
Speaker 5: nuclear power generation or from the detonation of an atomic
Speaker 5: weapon or testing there which we've also talked about a
Speaker 5: lot is caesium. There are different types of caesium. All
Speaker 5: caesiums are not created equal. There is caesium one point
Speaker 5: thirty seven, which has been largely attributed to the Chernobyl incident.
Speaker 5: The presence of that in the soil uh it has
Speaker 5: a much shorter half life then it's much peskier cousin
Speaker 5: caesium one thirty five, which, if I'm not mistaken, Ben
Speaker 5: you you might remember off the top of your head,
Speaker 5: I believe that can last millions of years. Two million years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the half life.
Speaker 5: That's the half life, whereas one thirty seven is only
Speaker 5: like sixty to eighty years. It's it's it's like, it's
Speaker 5: like they're two completely different things, but they can actually
Speaker 5: mix in the soil, and they kind of, you know,
Speaker 5: obviously that their half lives combined are the greater than
Speaker 5: the sum of their parts, and they create a much
Speaker 5: longer lasting problem in the soil. And guess who eats
Speaker 5: soiy stuff?
Speaker 2: Pigs bores right.
Speaker 5: Or specifically you know you've heard of you guys seen
Speaker 5: the film Pig, starring Nicholas Cage. I think it's a
Speaker 5: wonderful film. I think it ticks all the boxes for
Speaker 5: me for movies. It's just a great story about a
Speaker 5: man and his truffle pig, and it teaches you a
Speaker 5: lot about that whole world. And that's the thing. These
Speaker 5: pigs can root around. They're always talking about rootin here
Speaker 5: about pigs rouoten in the soil for mushrooms, And yes, truffles,
Speaker 5: and then you know they're not just there to find
Speaker 5: them for humans like Nicholas Cage. They want to eat them.
Speaker 5: That is their goal, and left unchecked without a human
Speaker 5: saying out Youoike, that's my truffle pig, they're gonna eat them.
Speaker 5: And because these things grow in soil, the caesium is
Speaker 5: contaminating them and they are then pooping it out, which
Speaker 5: then goes back into the soil and further increases the
Speaker 5: half life of the stuff. Essentially. I mean again, I'm
Speaker 5: not maybe speaking the most scientific terms, but I do
Speaker 5: believe that that is part of like a cycle that
Speaker 5: is now being participated in by these animals. So when
Speaker 5: they eat the thing, they're reintroducing them back into the soil.
Speaker 5: So it's just this kind of vicious cycle of this
Speaker 5: stuff kind of never going away. So take away here
Speaker 5: before we chat about it. Don't go hunting wild boares
Speaker 5: in Bavaria. It's some seriously dangerous stuff and they're.
Speaker 3: Not dying exactly.
Speaker 5: Go hunt and toxic bores. Just stick to the ones
Speaker 5: that you buy in the grocery stores. Hey that rhyme.
Speaker 2: Hey there you go.
Speaker 5: I an accident? Yes, please, there's so many things to
Speaker 5: unpack here.
Speaker 2: I think, well, the first thing is the clarification. Ben
Speaker 2: the super pigs that we talked about were specifically like
Speaker 2: domesticated pigs or standard pigs mating with wild boars creating
Speaker 2: the superpig. Right, that's what those are.
Speaker 3: That is correct.
Speaker 4: The interesting thing about domestic pigs is they have what
Speaker 4: you could call a stealth gene. Their physical expression we
Speaker 4: will change when they go feral. That's when they grow
Speaker 4: those tusks, they get a.
Speaker 5: Lot of hair.
Speaker 3: God, those are those super pigs.
Speaker 4: They're not the same as these guys which have, despite
Speaker 4: you know, experiencing this what's called the wild boar paradox.
Speaker 4: The North American ones so far are not irradiated, got
Speaker 4: it so anywhere to the same degree. These are more
Speaker 4: like Bruce Banner meets Gamma rays.
Speaker 2: But these are these are wild boars, like that's the
Speaker 2: way they would be described. So they're not the super
Speaker 2: pig version. They are wild boars in Germany that are
Speaker 2: written around in all this dirt.
Speaker 3: Yes, they did not make it across you know, the bearing.
Speaker 2: I guess it's not the same thing. I just want
Speaker 2: to make sure in my head I was thinking there
Speaker 2: it was the same thing.
Speaker 5: I I think the point was they're super pigs of
Speaker 5: a type. Got there there, They're their own kind of breed.
Speaker 5: They haven't yet started presenting glowing green eyes yet or
Speaker 5: any kinds of you know, superpowers, Ninja turtle type abilities,
Speaker 5: but you never know, anything could change. But essentially it's
Speaker 5: just interesting to we knew about the Chernobyl connection with
Speaker 5: this stuff for a while, like that was sort of
Speaker 5: been considered to be the only issue at play. And
Speaker 5: the study, by the way, I don't believe I cited
Speaker 5: from the Environmental Science and Technology Journal is new and
Speaker 5: this is when they've they've kind of really started differentiating
Speaker 5: between these two types of caesiums. They're drastically different half
Speaker 5: lives and where they came from. And I'm sorry, maybe
Speaker 5: I didn't even say I buried the lead. The other
Speaker 5: caesium comes from sixty to eighty years of nuclear testing
Speaker 5: in the area done by Germany. You know, so cold
Speaker 5: war nuclear bomb blasts that were you know, tests don't
Speaker 5: in the area. So let's see.
Speaker 2: Well wait, but wait, okay, I'm just trying to wrap
Speaker 2: my height around this. Chernobyl is late nineteen eighties imagining
Speaker 2: like this stuff going into the soil right, so like
Speaker 2: because it would if there was fallout, it would land
Speaker 2: on top of the soil, and over time it would
Speaker 2: start to go down in the soil. Right as leaves fall,
Speaker 2: more soil is created. It's like going deeper and deeper.
Speaker 2: I just don't understand how pigs are getting it stuff
Speaker 2: from like sixty years ago or more.
Speaker 4: Well, there's there's that feedback loop. There's also some fallout
Speaker 4: from just global nuclear testing. That's that becomes significant in
Speaker 4: this paradox, Like the bores from my understand correct me
Speaker 4: if I'm off base here, and the pigs were eating ellaphomyces,
Speaker 4: which is a kind of truffle that humans don't eat.
Speaker 4: And this the consumption here, that specific consumption is why
Speaker 4: radiation levels have decreased in other chernobyl wild or other
Speaker 4: wildlife in the area. But the pigs are still still
Speaker 4: radio active.
Speaker 3: So there.
Speaker 4: What happened is what happened was we've got these two
Speaker 4: elements with these two things. One is around for two
Speaker 4: million years, one is around for about thirty years.
Speaker 5: But that's right, and there's a I think a pretty
Speaker 5: helpful quote from the writers of the study sixty year
Speaker 5: old caesum from nuclear weapons fallout contributes significantly to the
Speaker 5: notorious contamination levels and wild wars in Central Europe that
Speaker 5: were previously believed to be dominated by chernobyl. I understand
Speaker 5: what you're saying, Matt. You're looking at these almost like
Speaker 5: ice cores or something like that, right, Like, like this
Speaker 5: is like a thing where there's like layers of sediment
Speaker 5: on top of it. But doesn't that leach into the
Speaker 5: soil around it? Though? I think again radioactive contamination. I mean,
Speaker 5: it's like pretty insidious, you know, it like sort of
Speaker 5: affects everything it touches, and I would think to a
Speaker 5: degree there would be kind of like a domino effect.
Speaker 5: But then, you know, the quick fix for a lot
Speaker 5: of these super fun the sites that we talk about
Speaker 5: is burying the stuff in these open pits. But then
Speaker 5: we know that there is still if the lining of
Speaker 5: those pits leaks, they have these like kind of plastic
Speaker 5: linings or whatever, then it invades the surrounding soil and
Speaker 5: then due to erosion I think, and like rainfall and stuff,
Speaker 5: it just gets all mixed up and then kind of
Speaker 5: rises to the surface. Is that your understanding.
Speaker 4: Ben geography plays a part in it too, right, because
Speaker 4: the Bavaria gets more precipitation, is that correct from the
Speaker 4: in comparison to a lot of other parts of Europe,
Speaker 4: So that concentrates the fallout from the environmental or the
Speaker 4: atmosphere testing, even if it was you know, far enough
Speaker 4: away that normally it wouldn't affect this pig truffle situation.
Speaker 4: One thing I'm wondering about here Nola's quality of life
Speaker 4: for the animals. What do they have like higher rates
Speaker 4: of cancer? Do they have a lower lifespan? I just
Speaker 4: don't know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that that wasn't really mentioned in any of the
Speaker 5: reporting that I saw, and no one's really thinking about
Speaker 5: the pigs comfort level and all this. Unfortunately, what they
Speaker 5: are thinking about and what's addressed more than anything concerning
Speaker 5: the actual pig, is that you don't want to eat
Speaker 5: that meat because it's real bad for you. Could he
Speaker 5: could could really hurt you. And they they did say
Speaker 5: that other animals in the area their radioactivetivity levels have
Speaker 5: decreased significantly, but not the bores. And I think that's
Speaker 5: because the bores are these foragers and these routers that
Speaker 5: are like digging deeper into the soil. Uh and potentially
Speaker 5: getting at stuff like these truffles or these mushrooms that
Speaker 5: are soil based that are continuing to be contaminated. So
Speaker 5: that's an interesting thing. What I was gonna say two
Speaker 5: about the I think I mentioned before that I used
Speaker 5: to look into a lot of stuff in Augusta area
Speaker 5: about radioactive waste sites. And at Savannah River site, they
Speaker 5: use animals to test the levels of radioactivity. So they'll
Speaker 5: tag bores, they'll tag turtles and then release them and
Speaker 5: then go fetch them and they've got a little tag
Speaker 5: that's like sort of like drilled into their shell and
Speaker 5: then they check their levels to see how well they're
Speaker 5: in that. So animals are always a really good vector
Speaker 5: I guess for you know, figuring out if clean up,
Speaker 5: you know, over time is actually working.
Speaker 2: Because I think we need a caesium and to say deal, wait, hold, wait,
Speaker 2: let me disorder time. We need a wild boar caesium
Speaker 2: team six that can go in get all the radioactive
Speaker 2: stuff out of the soil. Then we corral them to
Speaker 2: a place where all their poop goes in one spot.
Speaker 2: We'd send that off to a specific site that we
Speaker 2: just keep going. We start clearing the land.
Speaker 5: A super poop site.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, that's what we need.
Speaker 5: Just open pits, speaking of which I think we may
Speaker 5: have discussed this off air, but and just to wrap
Speaker 5: this up, and just to add a little detail to
Speaker 5: something we've already discussed involving mushrooms, the mushroom poisoning incidents
Speaker 5: in Australia that both you and I discussed in varying
Speaker 5: stages of its. You know of the discovery around that,
Speaker 5: and I'm sure there are maybe even more updates that
Speaker 5: we haven't looked into yet. But did get a message
Speaker 5: from a listener from Australia saying that a tip is
Speaker 5: in fact not a garbage can or a street side
Speaker 5: thing or a dumpster. It's actually a garbage dump like
Speaker 5: a garbage junkyard landfill.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we've got a lot of people writing in on
Speaker 4: email about that as well.
Speaker 3: Thanks for the tip you gots.
Speaker 5: Hey, it's because you can tip your car into it,
Speaker 5: or tip things out of your trunk or if you
Speaker 5: have a garbage truck in the back of it. You know,
Speaker 5: tips so nice and descriptive. I like it. So with that,
Speaker 5: I think we can take a quick break, hear a
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Speaker 5: with some more strange news.
Speaker 4: And we have returned with something that maybe out of
Speaker 4: left field or out of the deep for many of
Speaker 4: us listening this evening, but for others, some of our
Speaker 4: fellow conspiracy realists are instantly going to recognize this story,
Speaker 4: this ongoing story. I'd like to paint a picture briefly
Speaker 4: of a brilliant man, a guy named Abraham loeb Avi
Speaker 4: to his friends. He is a theoretical physicist, an astrophysicist.
Speaker 4: His bona fides just don't stop. He is currently the
Speaker 4: Frank B. Bear Junior Professor of Science at Harvard University.
Speaker 4: He has published in multiple things. He has picture a
Speaker 4: scientific award. He's probably got it. He has been described
Speaker 4: as one of the twenty five most influential people in
Speaker 4: space and the concept of space. And he's kind of
Speaker 4: controversial because he has discovered something. He focused a lot
Speaker 4: of his research on something called ALB, which is the
Speaker 4: first interstellar object that's been detected passing through this solar system.
Speaker 2: That was that's I remember we talked about that, right,
Speaker 2: not huge, but like it had a weird trajectory or
Speaker 2: something because it bounced around the Sun.
Speaker 4: Yeah, had a weird trajectory, had a weird shape, it
Speaker 4: was its motion seemed to be tumbling. It was unusual.
Speaker 4: You know, a stranger drifts through town is basically the story.
Speaker 2: Oh and Ben, it was the whole thing. Whether it
Speaker 2: was it was moving faster than it should have been, right,
Speaker 2: if it was just some other interstellar object that came through.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 4: So he has been in the world the bleeding edge
Speaker 4: of science, so finding interstellar objects, of learning more about
Speaker 4: what's out there in the ink. And I thought we
Speaker 4: could talk about something they did recently in the past
Speaker 4: few years that's incredibly controversial. He has recovered fifty tiny
Speaker 4: spherical iron fragments from the bottom of the Pacific Ocean
Speaker 4: and he believes they may be material from an interstellar
Speaker 4: alien spaceship.
Speaker 5: What snap yeah he uh.
Speaker 4: What yeah, Yeah, there's a twist at the end, right
Speaker 4: still he he since he already knew about Oma, which
Speaker 4: was unusual, he's been digging into this theme. He is
Speaker 4: the guy who said he's by far the most credible
Speaker 4: person who said, hey, maybe was artificial rather than natural
Speaker 4: in origin. He wrote that in twenty eighteen, and then
Speaker 4: he said, this means we've got to start searching for
Speaker 4: wreckage for interstellar debris. And he wasn't he wasn't being
Speaker 4: all wo wu, you know, we're going to find ET's
Speaker 4: Toyota Camri or something. He was more he was more
Speaker 4: like a forensic detective. And his team went back through
Speaker 4: all the records from various nonprofits that track objects entering
Speaker 4: Earth's atmosphere, a lot of it from the US Department
Speaker 4: of Defense, and there was a fireball.
Speaker 3: This is how it sounds like the set up for joke.
Speaker 4: There was a fireball in twenty fourteen January twenty fourteen.
Speaker 4: It was traveling faster than most meteors. It broke up
Speaker 4: over the South Pacific Ocean near Papua New Guinea. And
Speaker 4: this guy's got juice, right, So he got a team
Speaker 4: together and they went and searched underwater to find, you know,
Speaker 4: to find whether this thing had left any physical evidence.
Speaker 4: And that's where they found these spherals, the sph E
Speaker 4: r U l e s. They're so small, they're like
Speaker 4: half a millimeter in diameter maybe, And there's a lot
Speaker 4: of material science going into this. He also has a
Speaker 4: lot of precedent historically, other expeditions way in the past,
Speaker 4: like in the eighteen hundreds found things that were probably
Speaker 4: like this. They called them cosmic spherus, and they didn't
Speaker 4: know what to make of these metallic droplets either. So
Speaker 4: let's pause there, right, Okay, you found some weird, tiny,
Speaker 4: tiny metal balls off the coast of Papua New Guinea. Okay,
Speaker 4: the ocean's super polluted, right, there are tons of tiny
Speaker 4: metal balls, I imagine throughout the entire marine ecosystem.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean the stuff that could have been
Speaker 2: used in the fishing industry, old munitions from you know,
Speaker 2: like tiny spherical munitions that have just been down there degrading.
Speaker 2: But I'm assuming there's quite a bit of science going
Speaker 2: into testing the chemical makeup of those spherals.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, you are correct, one spherral for Team Frederick.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 4: The big thing is the material science, right. You want
Speaker 4: to learn the composition, you want to learn the relative
Speaker 4: age to the best of your ability, and that research
Speaker 4: is ongoing.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 4: You can go to Ave Loeb's blog and you can
Speaker 4: see you can see how his work is continuing. Fair
Speaker 4: warning to everybody, he is an astrophysicist. He does not
Speaker 4: talk down to people, so, at least for my part,
Speaker 4: I got in over my head a couple of times
Speaker 4: he said that these well, what we know is that
Speaker 4: meteors from this solar system are going to contain iron
Speaker 4: and nickel. But these furals apparently don't have very much
Speaker 4: nickel at all, which means they are almost certainly from
Speaker 4: somewhere beyond the bounds of the Soul system. But that
Speaker 4: doesn't necessarily make it artificial, right, that could just mean
Speaker 4: it's a rock from far away.
Speaker 2: Because we were just talking about in the super pigs, right,
Speaker 2: the fallouts of the problem doesn't matter where you detonate
Speaker 2: those nuclear weapons. If that material gets into the atmosphere,
Speaker 2: it turns into clouds, right with all the other stuff
Speaker 2: in the moisture up there, and then it moves across
Speaker 2: the Earth, then it can drop down somewhere else. Isn't
Speaker 2: it the same thing here with other kinds of pollution,
Speaker 2: Like I'm I'm imagining that there's pollution basically that would
Speaker 2: create a metal spheral like that after it hits water
Speaker 2: and cools. Basically, Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know. I'm
Speaker 2: thinking specifically about fly ash, like this is this is
Speaker 2: something that humans.
Speaker 5: Humans coal plants?
Speaker 2: Yeah, humans, humans have been burning coal for a long time,
Speaker 2: and I know one of the byproducts the pollutants that
Speaker 2: you get from that is this thing called fly ash.
Speaker 2: That could be it would be metallic, right, and it
Speaker 2: would be a sphere. I don't know if it would
Speaker 2: be the same size or I don't know. I don't
Speaker 2: know what I'm talking about, Guys.
Speaker 4: I think the entirety of current civilization is learning together.
Speaker 4: They're figuring this out together. And I do want to
Speaker 4: first commend Lob's entire team for being able to find
Speaker 4: something in the first place. This is beyond a needle
Speaker 4: in a haystack. In in a previous show that I
Speaker 4: produced called Missing in Alaska, we went to look for
Speaker 4: something much larger, remnants of a missing cessna and going
Speaker 4: under the water in the hinterlands of Alaska.
Speaker 3: That was a tall order for us. This is.
Speaker 4: Much more difficult. They used a magnetic sled.
Speaker 3: Which is a thing you know. Yeah, they vacuumed basically,
Speaker 3: that's how. That's how they got to it.
Speaker 4: And to your point, the statement, you know, we don't
Speaker 4: know what we're talking about, well.
Speaker 2: No, I don't know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 4: Well, a lot of people agree that in general, folks,
Speaker 4: we don't know what we're talking about one guy. Rob
Speaker 4: McCallum said, quote. The complexity lies in the fact that
Speaker 4: no one knows what it is we're looking for, which
Speaker 4: is true because the idea of an alien spaceship is
Speaker 4: a sample size of zero. I'd like to recommend some
Speaker 4: articles people want to read more. New York Times magazine
Speaker 4: just on August twenty fourth of this year put out
Speaker 4: a great primer and background on the work of Professor Loweb.
Speaker 4: It says the title is How a Harvard professor became
Speaker 4: the World's leading alien hunter. You can also read his
Speaker 4: You can read many of his papers on this subject.
Speaker 4: You can go to any number of subreddits where people
Speaker 4: have some serious opinions. Let's say, if you want to
Speaker 4: go to his blog and learn from the man himself,
Speaker 4: then all you have to do is go to Ave
Speaker 4: dash Loeb l Oeb dot medium dot com.
Speaker 3: And the problem with this kind of.
Speaker 4: Science is that it often gets sort of magnified or twisted.
Speaker 4: As we know, it becomes something people click on. Loeb
Speaker 4: at this point is searching for extra terrestrial life, the
Speaker 4: evidence that someone somewhere out there made a craft or
Speaker 4: made something that through a staggering lottery found itself over
Speaker 4: here in our solar system. But he's not making a
Speaker 4: bunch of like whackado quote unquote tinfoil hat claims he's
Speaker 4: a credible scientist doing credible work.
Speaker 3: And I don't know. We've talked in.
Speaker 4: The past about how some people in academia are afraid
Speaker 4: to broach certain topics because they feel like it'll ruin
Speaker 4: their careers.
Speaker 3: Do you guys still think that's a real thing.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean it makes me. It does make me
Speaker 5: think of like what's going on with disclosure and everything,
Speaker 5: you know, with like high military folks coming out or
Speaker 5: people with you know, career military officials or consultants or
Speaker 5: whatever maybe being less scared to talk about these kinds
Speaker 5: of things. I would hope that also trickles down and
Speaker 5: applies to people in the scientific community, which I think
Speaker 5: maybe it applied less to in the past. But I
Speaker 5: don't know. I know you're right about the crackpot thing.
Speaker 5: Like even when we talk about people like Russell targ
Speaker 5: who were doing research into things that maybe we are
Speaker 5: considered more fringe, there is a certain part of the
Speaker 5: scientific community that kind of like turns their nose up
Speaker 5: at that a little bit. So you can't really, I
Speaker 5: don't know. The way people within the scientific community react
Speaker 5: to this kind of research is really its own kind
Speaker 5: of thing, right.
Speaker 2: I think this is tremendously cool. This is another you
Speaker 2: guys that are starting to get used to this as
Speaker 2: you listen to the show. Matt gets confused. I think
Speaker 2: we should put that on the on the old Bingo chart.
Speaker 2: So when we're talking about Omua Mua and this scientist
Speaker 2: lobe that is one of the things that he believes
Speaker 2: could be an interstellar object came from outside of the
Speaker 2: Solar System, right, yeah, but that thing is not related
Speaker 2: to the spherals. That was a different potentially interstellar object
Speaker 2: that he found us. So then he's looking at these things,
Speaker 2: breaking him down, looking at the composition, trying to prove
Speaker 2: that the sperrals he found by dredging the ground or
Speaker 2: dredging the ocean floor, those are actually from that thing
Speaker 2: that was an intertellar object.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, you got it, nailed it. That thing.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 4: The street name for that thing is c in EOS
Speaker 4: twenty fourteen zero one zero eight.
Speaker 5: Stop super sexy.
Speaker 4: It's not as fun to say as that's why.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay, but he's going to do more of
Speaker 2: that is that the idea lobe or lobe has lob
Speaker 2: found those ferals and now he's done, he's just going
Speaker 2: to prove those or is he looking for more stuff.
Speaker 3: It's all happening.
Speaker 4: It's part of the Galileo project, right, which is itself
Speaker 4: a recent, a very recent thing. The stuff that he's
Speaker 4: been finding is still being evaluated, right, because that's how
Speaker 4: science works. You have to have pure evaluation. And as
Speaker 4: we know, not all astrophysicists agree with low about many
Speaker 4: different things. That's fine, that's also how science works. They've
Speaker 4: discovered other things, like as recently as June of this year,
Speaker 4: Loewe and his team found an eight millimeter long curled
Speaker 4: piece of wire and it's very strange. They put it
Speaker 4: under some different types of analysis that I obviously do
Speaker 4: not understand, and they found it was composed chiefly of
Speaker 4: manganese and platinum, and those are used in the construction
Speaker 4: of electrodes.
Speaker 3: And there's no is it space?
Speaker 4: Is it Earth trash? Is it space trash? Is it
Speaker 4: the one little piece of wire that made it from
Speaker 4: a spaceship? These are exciting questions and this is the
Speaker 4: right time to ask these kind of questions.
Speaker 5: I hope this is also the right time to ask
Speaker 5: of you two a very important question. Do you think
Speaker 5: Starfield is worth me buying an Xbox?
Speaker 2: Well, I'm considering it. I'm considering it as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Sure.
Speaker 5: I was highly disappointed to that it was not on
Speaker 5: the PS five store, and I'm not I know, Matt,
Speaker 5: you're in the maybe in the march. I think both
Speaker 5: of you mentioned you were in the market for gaming PCs,
Speaker 5: but not a direction that I'm willing to go. But
Speaker 5: maybe there's a couple of games that I've seen that
Speaker 5: are exclusive Dexbox that seem cool. But Starfield. I love
Speaker 5: those Bethesda games. I want to go to space and
Speaker 5: find space trash.
Speaker 3: And Ave agrees with you.
Speaker 4: This is one thing I want to give people who
Speaker 4: want to learn more about this project. Whether you consider
Speaker 4: yourself a diehard skeptic, whether you believe the truth is
Speaker 4: absolutely out there, or whether you like me at least
Speaker 4: desperately what something cool to happen with space in your lifetime.
Speaker 4: Check out the Galileo project. You can visit it now.
Speaker 4: It's an international or you can go to the website now.
Speaker 4: It's an international scientific research project, kind of like SETI.
Speaker 4: They're comprehensively searching for extraterrestrial intelligence, and they're looking on
Speaker 4: or near Earth, whereas SETI is of course looking much
Speaker 4: further out. So hopefully, hopefully they're going to find some
Speaker 4: astonishing things. And you know, again, we know this can
Speaker 4: be controversial for some people. In full disclosure, I do
Speaker 4: have some personal contacts who are associated with this project.
Speaker 4: They have no influence on the information we've explored today,
Speaker 4: which is barely scratching the surface, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Magnet sleds so cool?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ben, you shared with us something from Harvard dot
Speaker 2: e d U that actually has pictures in it of
Speaker 2: the spheres. It has charts that show like where the
Speaker 2: where the ship was dredging. I guess with that magnetic
Speaker 2: thing you're talking about, how do people find that? Because
Speaker 2: I'm what do I search for?
Speaker 4: Uh? You can go to projects dot iq dot Harvard
Speaker 4: dot ed U, and then from there just search Galileo.
Speaker 2: Awesome, it's really cool. You should definitely check this out.
Speaker 4: And you know, if you have a magnet sled, tell
Speaker 4: us about it. I don't know why that's the part
Speaker 4: that sticks out to me of all the technology they're
Speaker 4: discussing We're gonna pause for a word from our sponsors,
Speaker 4: and then we're going to discuss a much more common technology,
Speaker 4: right that has some disturbing plot twist.
Speaker 2: And we've returned. Guys, just thinking about that magnet sled. Still,
Speaker 2: I'm imagining a short film or maybe maybe it is
Speaker 2: a feature length film that we can get somebody on,
Speaker 2: where it's a person who begins their journey into magnetism,
Speaker 2: you know, early on, then eventually they get a metal detector,
Speaker 2: and then eventually they realize they can get one of
Speaker 2: these sleds you're talking about, Ben, and then it leads
Speaker 2: them to go shoot a satellite into orbit that specifically
Speaker 2: collects debris with a giant magnet.
Speaker 4: If we can add like a cool Runnings B plot,
Speaker 4: for sure, you know what I mean, they'll have someone
Speaker 4: else out in the world who's like, I also build
Speaker 4: magnetic sleds.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's the war.
Speaker 5: It's sort of like the mean ski guys in the eighties,
Speaker 5: like Ski Weekend movie, you know, who are always like
Speaker 5: bullying the the underdogs, and then at the end they
Speaker 5: have a big ski off and the winner is the
Speaker 5: good guy. Usually. I think South Park did a parody of.
Speaker 3: That, but it's a fun always.
Speaker 4: Sonny did a banger on that one, absolutely wonderful.
Speaker 2: I just want to see somebody's evolution in the magnetic
Speaker 2: slash metal detection. All right, So, uh, we're gonna just
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna lay this out and then we're gonna
Speaker 2: talk cars for a while. Here we go. According to
Speaker 2: the AP News, writing on September fifth, twenty twenty three,
Speaker 2: which is two days ago as we're recording this quote,
Speaker 2: the United States steps towards recall of fifty two million
Speaker 2: airbag inflators that can explode and hurl shrapnel. Okay, you
Speaker 2: heard that right.
Speaker 5: It's like the thing that's supposed to save you is
Speaker 5: actually final destination in you, you know, in the.
Speaker 2: Face, potentially, probably not your air bags. It's just there
Speaker 2: is a chance, right, even if it's a one in
Speaker 2: a million chance, there's a chance that this these specific
Speaker 2: air bags can either not deploy when you need them
Speaker 2: to deploy in a catastrophic accident, or will puncture the
Speaker 2: air bag and explode out with metal shrapnel, potentially injuring
Speaker 2: you very badly or fatally. And these are these are
Speaker 2: pretty recent finds. Actually, these are findings that have been
Speaker 2: around for a while. This has kind of been a
Speaker 2: fight that's been going on.
Speaker 3: Every recall is right, you guys.
Speaker 5: I watched Fight Club for the first time in many
Speaker 5: years with my kid and my girlfriend, and there's a
Speaker 5: this comes up. The character that Edward Norton plays is
Speaker 5: like a recall specialist for a big car company, and
Speaker 5: I just pulled it up. He says, now, should we
Speaker 5: initiate a recall, take the number of vehicles in the
Speaker 5: field A multiply by the probable rate of failure B
Speaker 5: multiplied by the average out of court settlement ce A
Speaker 5: times B times C equals x. If X is less
Speaker 5: than the cost of a recall, we don't do one.
Speaker 3: Also check out.
Speaker 4: There was an episode I did it on Car Stuff
Speaker 4: with Scott years and years back, the ten most terrifying
Speaker 4: manufacturing defects, and then we had another episode about how
Speaker 4: recalls work, and that Fight Club description is not far
Speaker 4: off at all. I think they pulled that directly from
Speaker 4: That's palinook, right, Chuck Pellin, Yes, right, mm hmm. So
Speaker 4: not for nothing did he come up with that calculation.
Speaker 5: I think it was actually based on a real thing
Speaker 5: that happened with a Ford Pinto that had like an
Speaker 5: exploding gas tank. But I guess the reason I bring
Speaker 5: it up is a recall is always going to be
Speaker 5: high profile like this and make headlines, especially with the
Speaker 5: number like that. So something pretty dangerous must have been
Speaker 5: a bruin for them to want to do this.
Speaker 2: Oh, something very dangerous occurred here in this story is
Speaker 2: because guys, let's just talk about it. These are airbag inflators.
Speaker 2: That's specific airbag inflators that were manufactured by Arc Automotive incorporated.
Speaker 2: This decision or this like choice to say, hey, these
Speaker 2: are dangerous, we need to do something about it. It was
Speaker 2: made by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration and that
Speaker 2: occurred this Tuesday as we're recording this, and they are
Speaker 2: saying that these things, these inflators, are defective, and there's
Speaker 2: a hearing scheduled. And guys, back in May, this same
Speaker 2: organization that to say, hey, we need a hearing on
Speaker 2: October fifth. Back in May, they went to ARC Automotive,
Speaker 2: who manufactured these things, and said, hey, we got a
Speaker 2: problem here. You need to recall these things because there
Speaker 2: are at least seven injuries and two deaths in the US.
Speaker 2: In Canada, listen, to this though since two thousand and nine.
Speaker 2: That's a long time for two deaths and seven injuries.
Speaker 2: But they were all associated with these inflators.
Speaker 4: And it is typical that the NHTSA will ask for
Speaker 4: a voluntary recall and some of the bigger so like
Speaker 4: when when the bigger companies themselves, like the name brands
Speaker 4: you see on the cars, when they take the hit
Speaker 4: for a recall, they will often do it voluntarily after
Speaker 4: they run through their calculations, because it's better to get
Speaker 4: in front of it, you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, and again according to the company that manufactures these things,
Speaker 2: they are saying, no, we're not going to recall these,
Speaker 2: at least that's what they said in May. They're also saying, hey,
Speaker 2: the findings that you've put forward here that you want
Speaker 2: to talk about there, it's wrong. It's a hypothesis that
Speaker 2: you guys have come up with based on some of
Speaker 2: these injuries and deaths. That is the airbag inflator causing
Speaker 2: the problem. We are saying as the manufacturer of that inflator,
Speaker 2: but that's not it. So it is going to be
Speaker 2: a battle.
Speaker 5: So so these are air bags that are put in
Speaker 5: third party vehicle companies it's not like the company is
Speaker 5: like you know, Kia or whatever, manufactures their own air bags.
Speaker 5: They're working with a third party vendor, which is who
Speaker 5: these guys are. So they're basically saying that our product
Speaker 5: is good. It's a defect in the manufacturing of the
Speaker 5: model that that are perfectly good air bag was placed in.
Speaker 2: Yes, but it's not. It's not like just a few
Speaker 2: brands of cars use this or a few you know,
Speaker 2: vehicles on the road.
Speaker 5: This huge list. But I'm just saying like it is.
Speaker 5: It is a it is a third party company. This
Speaker 5: this group that's making only these and then they're.
Speaker 3: They only make those. Yeah, that's correct. They only make
Speaker 3: not even the whole airbag package, you know, they only
Speaker 3: make the airbag inflator.
Speaker 5: It makes you, it makes you think, literally you had
Speaker 5: one job, you.
Speaker 2: Know, well, well yeah, but I know this is tough
Speaker 2: because who knows right now, it's not proven. Then that's
Speaker 2: what it is. It's just very strange. So let's just
Speaker 2: I'm gonna read from this AP article quote owners of
Speaker 2: vehicles made by at least a dozen auto brands Chevrolet, Buick,
Speaker 2: gmc Ford, Toyota. I don't know what this is Stellantis, Volkswagen, Audi, BMW, Porsche, Hyundai,
Speaker 2: and Kia are left. This is what it says, are
Speaker 2: left to wonder anxiously whether their vehicles contain driver or
Speaker 2: front passenger inflators made by ARC, because it's hard to know.
Speaker 2: But according to NHTSA, it's estimating that sixty seven million
Speaker 2: inflators need to be recalled. But it did revise that
Speaker 2: number down to fifty two million after you know, it's
Speaker 2: been communicating with ARC, you know, about their findings, but
Speaker 2: still fifty two million.
Speaker 4: It's not the first time that there's been a massive
Speaker 4: airbag recall either. I think it was twenty fifteen there
Speaker 4: was a company named to that had to recall their
Speaker 4: airbags because they I'm just like going back through the
Speaker 4: archives here, and I think more people died as a
Speaker 4: result of those airbags, but they recall. Pulling up this
Speaker 4: article here from Spectrum News, New York one. According to
Speaker 4: these folks with whom I'm unfamiliar, that recall in twenty
Speaker 4: fifteen affected thirty four million vehicles. And you know, when
Speaker 4: these recalls happen, if you've never experienced one, it's not
Speaker 4: like someone makes it easy to fix your car. You
Speaker 4: get a letter and you have to go to a
Speaker 4: dealership and hand a dealership that letter. So it's still
Speaker 4: costing you in terms of time.
Speaker 5: And it's not like they're going to come to your
Speaker 5: house and make you do it. People ignore those things
Speaker 5: all the time, and I think I actually you know
Speaker 5: what it was. It was a friend of the show
Speaker 5: in former roommate Frank Well haarn, he got one. He
Speaker 5: put it on the fridge because it had an amazing
Speaker 5: graphic of like an airbag with like sharp things shooting
Speaker 5: out of it into one of those cartoon people saying
Speaker 5: this could be you do the thing.
Speaker 3: That's a good strategy, that's more impact.
Speaker 5: I think it was. It wasn't this obviously, and I
Speaker 5: may be making it about airbag, but it was definitely
Speaker 5: an image of something that could go horribly wrong, drawn
Speaker 5: out in like a scenario, like a warning label or something.
Speaker 4: You know, I have a recall situation happening right now
Speaker 4: as well.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, I didn't know that.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry man. It's stinks. Recall situations stink. As you
Speaker 2: guys have outlined right here. I want to give people
Speaker 2: a little more information. If you have a vehicle that
Speaker 2: was manufactured. It's like a model year two thousand and
Speaker 2: two to twenty eighteen. Your vehicle is potentially affected by this,
Speaker 2: but you kind of have to do some digging, which
Speaker 2: and it's crazy that this organization what do we call them,
Speaker 2: ben the NHTSA.
Speaker 3: Yeah, think of the TSA but for cars.
Speaker 5: By the way, shout out to Ralph Nader, without which
Speaker 5: any of this would have been possible.
Speaker 2: Yes, shout out to you, Ralph Natter. The National Highway
Speaker 2: Traffic Safety Administration has been investigating this problem for years,
Speaker 2: since twenty fifteen, and they just now this year came
Speaker 2: out with some findings that are actionable to have another
Speaker 2: meeting about it.
Speaker 4: Right, you have that October fifth hearing while you're doing
Speaker 4: this digging, folks, even though it is inconvenient, dying is
Speaker 4: also inconvenient, so you know, prioritize things accordingly. You might
Speaker 4: run into a situation where you feel like your car
Speaker 4: is supposed to get a recall for these airbags, and
Speaker 4: you might not see the company Automotive there be aware
Speaker 4: that there's another company that also makes these allegedly faulty components.
Speaker 4: They're called Delphi Automotive. They're making the same thing they
Speaker 4: just have a different name.
Speaker 2: Man, Yeah, I'm sorry I missed that, guys, I didn't
Speaker 2: even see it in here.
Speaker 4: Well that's all thanks to our good friends at Spectrum
Speaker 4: News New York.
Speaker 2: What oh man, thank you Spectrum. Uh yeah, yeah, No.
Speaker 2: This is creepy and it's scary. But again, there is
Speaker 2: a super low chance that your vehicle is going to
Speaker 2: experience this problem, even if it has one of these
Speaker 2: defective things in it, because again, all the all the
Speaker 2: stars have to line up where you get in a
Speaker 2: bad enough accident where an airbag deploys and that airbag
Speaker 2: inflator is defective and you know whatever. It's just there
Speaker 2: are a lot of things right. The probability is low.
Speaker 2: But there's another thing about our vehicles that maybe we
Speaker 2: should be paying a little more attention to.
Speaker 3: Ben Matt Nol.
Speaker 4: This is a tease because this may this may end
Speaker 4: up being an episode.
Speaker 2: Uh, let's do that. Let's make it an episode. But
Speaker 2: let's tell people to give a little tease.
Speaker 4: Yeah, your car is spying on you so hard, especially
Speaker 4: the newer it is, the crazier it is. There's a
Speaker 4: study that we're going to explore that conclusively proves car
Speaker 4: companies are conspiring to take your information in.
Speaker 3: Ways that you never imagined.
Speaker 4: I guess the one of the biggest ones to leave
Speaker 4: us with is Nissan is pretty close to figuring out
Speaker 4: it's when its car owners have sex.
Speaker 2: Think about your health app that you might have, Hey,
Speaker 2: do you have a fit bit? Do you keep your
Speaker 2: phone around you when you're getting it on?
Speaker 5: Obviously for posterity?
Speaker 2: And do you have a car app on your phone?
Speaker 2: Do you plug your car in and use Apple Play
Speaker 2: or Google Play or whatever it is that you know
Speaker 2: vehicles communicate with your phone. Hey, there's some stuff going
Speaker 2: on and it's purposeful. And Mozilla found out and they
Speaker 2: told us about it.
Speaker 5: Mozilla a little alien guy what they had, a cute
Speaker 5: little for a time, it was an actual mascot, and
Speaker 5: I think people forgot about old Mozilla.
Speaker 3: Mozilla has been busy. They did.
Speaker 4: They released one of my favorite to date comprehensive studies
Speaker 4: of privacy in automobiles, which is that's.
Speaker 3: A very specific favorite.
Speaker 4: But they found that multiple companies, first off, their terms
Speaker 4: of service and agreements are or Wellyan, it's crazy, it's
Speaker 4: not just Nissan. Kia also mentions they can collect information
Speaker 4: about your sex life and their privacy policy. And then
Speaker 4: there were six other car companies all mentioned this study
Speaker 4: who say that by owning or buying or driving this car,
Speaker 4: you are agreeing that they can collect your genetic information
Speaker 4: and genetic characteristics.
Speaker 5: Wait a minute, is that like, hold on a second,
Speaker 5: is yeah? Right, So if you accidentally, let you know,
Speaker 5: get a little sloppy, and are you saying it's going
Speaker 5: to like pick up your DNA.
Speaker 2: No, no, no.
Speaker 3: No, nos.
Speaker 5: Data.
Speaker 2: We need to talk about this at length. But the
Speaker 2: biggest problem here is that new vehicles tout, hey, we
Speaker 2: are a technological wonder, each new camera, each new whatever, ultima.
Speaker 2: Those are the only two I've driven recently. But I've
Speaker 2: driven a Nissan recently and it freaks me out. But
Speaker 2: this brand new machine, it has sensors, all types of sensors.
Speaker 2: It's so intelligent, it's gonna you know, it knows everything
Speaker 2: about its environment. It knows where you're going, how fast
Speaker 2: you're going, what you're thinking. No, it doesn't know what
Speaker 2: you're thinking. Well, yeah, predictively.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's tantamount to the same thing if you
Speaker 5: think about it. It knows enough.
Speaker 2: But the vehicle itself is a data collection machine. And yeah,
Speaker 2: the question is what do the car companies do with
Speaker 2: all that data?
Speaker 3: They make money?
Speaker 5: Well, and the argument is always usually when this kind
Speaker 5: of data collection stuff comes up, the argument is usually
Speaker 5: surrounding free products and services, right, like internet things, social media, whatever,
Speaker 5: Pokemon go. You're the product. All that stuff is what
Speaker 5: you're paying for the thing that you're using. But with
Speaker 5: a car, you're paying a lot of money for that. Like,
Speaker 5: how are they justifying this?
Speaker 4: Well, they're justifying it because technology will always outpace legislation.
Speaker 4: Vast majority of the United States, you need a car
Speaker 4: to get around.
Speaker 3: I can't wait.
Speaker 4: I think we should do this episode. It's important. And
Speaker 4: even if you don't consider yourself a car, automotive or
Speaker 4: vehicle person, you're going to want to know what's going on.
Speaker 4: It is, i would argue, again, an active conspiracy. So
Speaker 4: have a great time on the road trip, folks. You
Speaker 4: might want to take some different routes. Throw them off
Speaker 4: a little bit, throw the heat off.
Speaker 2: Just be cautious about what apps you have open on
Speaker 2: your phone while it's connected to your car.
Speaker 4: Be cautious of things advertise themselves as a seamless experience.
Speaker 4: There's a reason why, right, So tune in for that
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