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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Nol.

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Speaker 3: They call me Ben.

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Speaker 4: We're joined as always with our super producer Paul, Mission

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Speaker 4: control decand most importantly, you are here and that makes

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Speaker 4: this the stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 3: Quick bit of.

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Speaker 4: Housekeeping at the top, folks. As we said in our

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Speaker 4: weekly listener mail segment, we've done a little bit of

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Speaker 4: a switcheroo this week, so strange news is coming to

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Speaker 4: you on a Thursday. You're in the right place, and

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Speaker 4: we'll be back to regularly scheduled's programming next week. That's

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Speaker 4: just the check in tolection. There wasn't a Mandela effect.

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Speaker 4: There wasn't some weird cognitive shift. We are going to

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Speaker 4: talk about some shifting things. We are going to learn

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Speaker 4: some unpleasant facts for anybody who owns or thinks of

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Speaker 4: owning a car. We are going to there's so much.

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Speaker 4: We're going to dive into a story that's been obsessing

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Speaker 4: me for a while. Regarding a very smart man who

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Speaker 4: found some very strange things off the coast of Papua

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Speaker 4: New Guinea. But before we do any of that, we're

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Speaker 4: thematically returning to a great fascination the rise of super pigs,

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Speaker 4: which we previously reported on in North America. But this

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Speaker 4: story takes us somewhere far far away.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it does, to the land of Bavaria in Deutschland,

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Speaker 5: where I once was a young German boy. It's true,

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Speaker 5: I don't know. These are definitely super pigs of a type.

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Speaker 5: I let's call them super fund pigs, shall we These

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Speaker 5: we've we've actually on both on something I want you

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Speaker 5: to know, any Ridiculous History. We've been talking a lot

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Speaker 5: about nuclear waste sites and nuclear dump sites and places

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Speaker 5: and also on a recent clip show of Ridiculous History,

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Speaker 5: dump sites that you can actually visit. What often comes up,

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Speaker 5: of conversations is Chernobyl, a Russian nuclear reactor that famously

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Speaker 5: by design, the information of what was actually occurring when

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Speaker 5: Russia let al art of the Soviet former Soviet Union,

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Speaker 5: let alone outside of its borders. But many, many, many

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Speaker 5: years later, the literal fallout of that event continues to

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Speaker 5: in the forests of Bavaria, in the famous Black Forests.

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Speaker 5: I believe maybe I'm wrong about that, but there are

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Speaker 5: definitely some environments in Bavaria that have had soil contamination

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Speaker 5: that was until now largely blamed on fallout from Chernobyl.

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Speaker 5: So a byproduct of nuclear fission, whether it be from

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Speaker 5: lot is caesium. There are different types of caesium. All

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Speaker 5: caesiums are not created equal. There is caesium one point

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Speaker 5: thirty seven, which has been largely attributed to the Chernobyl incident.

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Speaker 5: The presence of that in the soil uh it has

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Speaker 5: caesium one thirty five, which, if I'm not mistaken, Ben

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Speaker 5: I believe that can last millions of years. Two million years.

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Speaker 5: That's the half life, whereas one thirty seven is only

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Speaker 5: like sixty to eighty years. It's it's it's like, it's

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Speaker 2: Pigs bores right.

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Speaker 5: Or specifically you know you've heard of you guys seen

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Speaker 3: Not dying exactly.

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Speaker 5: Go hunt and toxic bores. Just stick to the ones

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Speaker 2: Hey there you go.

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Speaker 5: I an accident? Yes, please, there's so many things to

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Speaker 2: I think, well, the first thing is the clarification. Ben

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Speaker 2: the super pigs that we talked about were specifically like

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Speaker 2: domesticated pigs or standard pigs mating with wild boars creating

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Speaker 2: the superpig. Right, that's what those are.

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Speaker 4: The interesting thing about domestic pigs is they have what

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Speaker 3: God, those are those super pigs.

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Speaker 4: They're not the same as these guys which have, despite

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Speaker 4: The North American ones so far are not irradiated, got

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Speaker 2: But these are these are wild boars, like that's the

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Speaker 3: Yes, they did not make it across you know, the bearing.

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Speaker 2: I guess it's not the same thing. I just want

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Speaker 5: I I think the point was they're super pigs of

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Speaker 4: radiation levels have decreased in other chernobyl wild or other

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Speaker 4: What happened is what happened was we've got these two

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Speaker 5: But that's right, and there's a I think a pretty

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Speaker 4: Ben geography plays a part in it too, right, because

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Speaker 4: And we have returned with something that maybe out of

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Speaker 3: This is how it sounds like the set up for joke.

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Speaker 4: There was a fireball in twenty fourteen January twenty fourteen.

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Speaker 4: The big thing is the material science, right. You want

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Speaker 4: I think the entirety of current civilization is learning together.

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Speaker 3: And the problem with this kind of.

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Speaker 3: And I don't know. We've talked in.

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Speaker 2: we should put that on the on the old Bingo chart.

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00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 2: So when we're talking about Omua Mua and this scientist

438
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 2: lobe that is one of the things that he believes

439
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,679
Speaker 2: could be an interstellar object came from outside of the

440
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 2: Solar System, right, yeah, but that thing is not related

441
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 2: to the spherals. That was a different potentially interstellar object

442
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 2: that he found us. So then he's looking at these things,

443
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 2: breaking him down, looking at the composition, trying to prove

444
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 2: that the sperrals he found by dredging the ground or

445
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 2: dredging the ocean floor, those are actually from that thing

446
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,160
Speaker 2: that was an intertellar object.

447
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, you got it, nailed it. That thing.

448
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 5: Okay.

449
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,880
Speaker 4: The street name for that thing is c in EOS

450
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 4: twenty fourteen zero one zero eight.

451
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 5: Stop super sexy.

452
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 4: It's not as fun to say as that's why.

453
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay, but he's going to do more of

454
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Speaker 2: that is that the idea lobe or lobe has lob

455
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 2: found those ferals and now he's done, he's just going

456
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Speaker 2: to prove those or is he looking for more stuff.

457
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Speaker 3: It's all happening.

458
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 4: It's part of the Galileo project, right, which is itself

459
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 4: a recent, a very recent thing. The stuff that he's

460
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 4: been finding is still being evaluated, right, because that's how

461
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 4: science works. You have to have pure evaluation. And as

462
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 4: we know, not all astrophysicists agree with low about many

463
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 4: different things. That's fine, that's also how science works. They've

464
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 4: discovered other things, like as recently as June of this year,

465
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 4: Loewe and his team found an eight millimeter long curled

466
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 4: piece of wire and it's very strange. They put it

467
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 4: under some different types of analysis that I obviously do

468
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Speaker 4: not understand, and they found it was composed chiefly of

469
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Speaker 4: manganese and platinum, and those are used in the construction

470
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Speaker 4: of electrodes.

471
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 3: And there's no is it space?

472
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 4: Is it Earth trash? Is it space trash? Is it

473
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 4: the one little piece of wire that made it from

474
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Speaker 4: a spaceship? These are exciting questions and this is the

475
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 4: right time to ask these kind of questions.

476
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 5: I hope this is also the right time to ask

477
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 5: of you two a very important question. Do you think

478
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 5: Starfield is worth me buying an Xbox?

479
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 2: Well, I'm considering it. I'm considering it as well.

480
00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:57,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

481
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Speaker 3: Sure.

482
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Speaker 5: I was highly disappointed to that it was not on

483
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Speaker 5: the PS five store, and I'm not I know, Matt,

484
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 5: you're in the maybe in the march. I think both

485
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 5: of you mentioned you were in the market for gaming PCs,

486
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 5: but not a direction that I'm willing to go. But

487
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 5: maybe there's a couple of games that I've seen that

488
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 5: are exclusive Dexbox that seem cool. But Starfield. I love

489
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 5: those Bethesda games. I want to go to space and

490
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 5: find space trash.

491
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Speaker 3: And Ave agrees with you.

492
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Speaker 4: This is one thing I want to give people who

493
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 4: want to learn more about this project. Whether you consider

494
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 4: yourself a diehard skeptic, whether you believe the truth is

495
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 4: absolutely out there, or whether you like me at least

496
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 4: desperately what something cool to happen with space in your lifetime.

497
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 4: Check out the Galileo project. You can visit it now.

498
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 4: It's an international or you can go to the website now.

499
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 4: It's an international scientific research project, kind of like SETI.

500
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 4: They're comprehensively searching for extraterrestrial intelligence, and they're looking on

501
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 4: or near Earth, whereas SETI is of course looking much

502
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 4: further out. So hopefully, hopefully they're going to find some

503
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 4: astonishing things. And you know, again, we know this can

504
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 4: be controversial for some people. In full disclosure, I do

505
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 4: have some personal contacts who are associated with this project.

506
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 4: They have no influence on the information we've explored today,

507
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 4: which is barely scratching the surface, you know what I mean.

508
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 3: Magnet sleds so cool?

509
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Ben, you shared with us something from Harvard dot

510
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 2: e d U that actually has pictures in it of

511
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 2: the spheres. It has charts that show like where the

512
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 2: where the ship was dredging. I guess with that magnetic

513
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 2: thing you're talking about, how do people find that? Because

514
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 2: I'm what do I search for?

515
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 4: Uh? You can go to projects dot iq dot Harvard

516
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 4: dot ed U, and then from there just search Galileo.

517
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 2: Awesome, it's really cool. You should definitely check this out.

518
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 4: And you know, if you have a magnet sled, tell

519
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 4: us about it. I don't know why that's the part

520
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 4: that sticks out to me of all the technology they're

521
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Speaker 4: discussing We're gonna pause for a word from our sponsors,

522
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 4: and then we're going to discuss a much more common technology,

523
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 4: right that has some disturbing plot twist.

524
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 2: And we've returned. Guys, just thinking about that magnet sled. Still,

525
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 2: I'm imagining a short film or maybe maybe it is

526
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 2: a feature length film that we can get somebody on,

527
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 2: where it's a person who begins their journey into magnetism,

528
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 2: you know, early on, then eventually they get a metal detector,

529
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 2: and then eventually they realize they can get one of

530
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 2: these sleds you're talking about, Ben, and then it leads

531
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Speaker 2: them to go shoot a satellite into orbit that specifically

532
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Speaker 2: collects debris with a giant magnet.

533
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Speaker 4: If we can add like a cool Runnings B plot,

534
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Speaker 4: for sure, you know what I mean, they'll have someone

535
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 4: else out in the world who's like, I also build

536
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 4: magnetic sleds.

537
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 2: Oh, that's the war.

538
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 5: It's sort of like the mean ski guys in the eighties,

539
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 5: like Ski Weekend movie, you know, who are always like

540
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 5: bullying the the underdogs, and then at the end they

541
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 5: have a big ski off and the winner is the

542
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 5: good guy. Usually. I think South Park did a parody of.

543
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 3: That, but it's a fun always.

544
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 4: Sonny did a banger on that one, absolutely wonderful.

545
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Speaker 2: I just want to see somebody's evolution in the magnetic

546
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 2: slash metal detection. All right, So, uh, we're gonna just

547
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna lay this out and then we're gonna

548
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 2: talk cars for a while. Here we go. According to

549
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 2: the AP News, writing on September fifth, twenty twenty three,

550
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 2: which is two days ago as we're recording this quote,

551
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 2: the United States steps towards recall of fifty two million

552
00:31:56,360 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 2: airbag inflators that can explode and hurl shrapnel. Okay, you

553
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 2: heard that right.

554
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 5: It's like the thing that's supposed to save you is

555
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 5: actually final destination in you, you know, in the.

556
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 2: Face, potentially, probably not your air bags. It's just there

557
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 2: is a chance, right, even if it's a one in

558
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 2: a million chance, there's a chance that this these specific

559
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 2: air bags can either not deploy when you need them

560
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 2: to deploy in a catastrophic accident, or will puncture the

561
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 2: air bag and explode out with metal shrapnel, potentially injuring

562
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 2: you very badly or fatally. And these are these are

563
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 2: pretty recent finds. Actually, these are findings that have been

564
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 2: around for a while. This has kind of been a

565
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 2: fight that's been going on.

566
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Speaker 3: Every recall is right, you guys.

567
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 5: I watched Fight Club for the first time in many

568
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 5: years with my kid and my girlfriend, and there's a

569
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 5: this comes up. The character that Edward Norton plays is

570
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 5: like a recall specialist for a big car company, and

571
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 5: I just pulled it up. He says, now, should we

572
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 5: initiate a recall, take the number of vehicles in the

573
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 5: field A multiply by the probable rate of failure B

574
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 5: multiplied by the average out of court settlement ce A

575
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 5: times B times C equals x. If X is less

576
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,719
Speaker 5: than the cost of a recall, we don't do one.

577
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 3: Also check out.

578
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 4: There was an episode I did it on Car Stuff

579
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 4: with Scott years and years back, the ten most terrifying

580
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 4: manufacturing defects, and then we had another episode about how

581
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 4: recalls work, and that Fight Club description is not far

582
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 4: off at all. I think they pulled that directly from

583
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 4: That's palinook, right, Chuck Pellin, Yes, right, mm hmm. So

584
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 4: not for nothing did he come up with that calculation.

585
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 5: I think it was actually based on a real thing

586
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 5: that happened with a Ford Pinto that had like an

587
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 5: exploding gas tank. But I guess the reason I bring

588
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 5: it up is a recall is always going to be

589
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 5: high profile like this and make headlines, especially with the

590
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 5: number like that. So something pretty dangerous must have been

591
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 5: a bruin for them to want to do this.

592
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 2: Oh, something very dangerous occurred here in this story is

593
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 2: because guys, let's just talk about it. These are airbag inflators.

594
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 2: That's specific airbag inflators that were manufactured by Arc Automotive incorporated.

595
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,959
Speaker 2: This decision or this like choice to say, hey, these

596
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 2: are dangerous, we need to do something about it. It was

597
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 2: made by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration and that

598
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 2: occurred this Tuesday as we're recording this, and they are

599
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 2: saying that these things, these inflators, are defective, and there's

600
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 2: a hearing scheduled. And guys, back in May, this same

601
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 2: organization that to say, hey, we need a hearing on

602
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 2: October fifth. Back in May, they went to ARC Automotive,

603
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 2: who manufactured these things, and said, hey, we got a

604
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 2: problem here. You need to recall these things because there

605
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,879
Speaker 2: are at least seven injuries and two deaths in the US.

606
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 2: In Canada, listen, to this though since two thousand and nine.

607
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 2: That's a long time for two deaths and seven injuries.

608
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:12,760
Speaker 2: But they were all associated with these inflators.

609
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 4: And it is typical that the NHTSA will ask for

610
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 4: a voluntary recall and some of the bigger so like

611
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 4: when when the bigger companies themselves, like the name brands

612
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,919
Speaker 4: you see on the cars, when they take the hit

613
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 4: for a recall, they will often do it voluntarily after

614
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 4: they run through their calculations, because it's better to get

615
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 4: in front of it, you know.

616
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 5: Yeah.

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00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:42,800
Speaker 2: Well, and again according to the company that manufactures these things,

618
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 2: they are saying, no, we're not going to recall these,

619
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Speaker 2: at least that's what they said in May. They're also saying, hey,

620
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 2: the findings that you've put forward here that you want

621
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Speaker 2: to talk about there, it's wrong. It's a hypothesis that

622
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 2: you guys have come up with based on some of

623
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 2: these injuries and deaths. That is the airbag inflator causing

624
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 2: the problem. We are saying as the manufacturer of that inflator,

625
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 2: but that's not it. So it is going to be

626
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 2: a battle.

627
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 5: So so these are air bags that are put in

628
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 5: third party vehicle companies it's not like the company is

629
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 5: like you know, Kia or whatever, manufactures their own air bags.

630
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 5: They're working with a third party vendor, which is who

631
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Speaker 5: these guys are. So they're basically saying that our product

632
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 5: is good. It's a defect in the manufacturing of the

633
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 5: model that that are perfectly good air bag was placed in.

634
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 2: Yes, but it's not. It's not like just a few

635
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 2: brands of cars use this or a few you know,

636
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 2: vehicles on the road.

637
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 5: This huge list. But I'm just saying like it is.

638
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 5: It is a it is a third party company. This

639
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 5: this group that's making only these and then they're.

640
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 3: They only make those. Yeah, that's correct. They only make

641
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 3: not even the whole airbag package, you know, they only

642
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:51,760
Speaker 3: make the airbag inflator.

643
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Speaker 5: It makes you, it makes you think, literally you had

644
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Speaker 5: one job, you.

645
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 2: Know, well, well yeah, but I know this is tough

646
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 2: because who knows right now, it's not proven. Then that's

647
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 2: what it is. It's just very strange. So let's just

648
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 2: I'm gonna read from this AP article quote owners of

649
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Speaker 2: vehicles made by at least a dozen auto brands Chevrolet, Buick,

650
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Speaker 2: gmc Ford, Toyota. I don't know what this is Stellantis, Volkswagen, Audi, BMW, Porsche, Hyundai,

651
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 2: and Kia are left. This is what it says, are

652
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 2: left to wonder anxiously whether their vehicles contain driver or

653
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 2: front passenger inflators made by ARC, because it's hard to know.

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Speaker 2: But according to NHTSA, it's estimating that sixty seven million

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Speaker 2: inflators need to be recalled. But it did revise that

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Speaker 2: number down to fifty two million after you know, it's

657
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Speaker 2: been communicating with ARC, you know, about their findings, but

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Speaker 2: still fifty two million.

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Speaker 4: It's not the first time that there's been a massive

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Speaker 4: airbag recall either. I think it was twenty fifteen there

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Speaker 4: was a company named to that had to recall their

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Speaker 4: airbags because they I'm just like going back through the

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Speaker 4: archives here, and I think more people died as a

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Speaker 4: result of those airbags, but they recall. Pulling up this

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Speaker 4: article here from Spectrum News, New York one. According to

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Speaker 4: these folks with whom I'm unfamiliar, that recall in twenty

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Speaker 4: fifteen affected thirty four million vehicles. And you know, when

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Speaker 4: these recalls happen, if you've never experienced one, it's not

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Speaker 4: like someone makes it easy to fix your car. You

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Speaker 4: get a letter and you have to go to a

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Speaker 4: dealership and hand a dealership that letter. So it's still

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Speaker 4: costing you in terms of time.

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Speaker 5: And it's not like they're going to come to your

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Speaker 5: house and make you do it. People ignore those things

675
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Speaker 5: all the time, and I think I actually you know

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Speaker 5: what it was. It was a friend of the show

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Speaker 5: in former roommate Frank Well haarn, he got one. He

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Speaker 5: put it on the fridge because it had an amazing

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Speaker 5: graphic of like an airbag with like sharp things shooting

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Speaker 5: out of it into one of those cartoon people saying

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Speaker 5: this could be you do the thing.

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Speaker 3: That's a good strategy, that's more impact.

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Speaker 5: I think it was. It wasn't this obviously, and I

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Speaker 5: may be making it about airbag, but it was definitely

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Speaker 5: an image of something that could go horribly wrong, drawn

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Speaker 5: out in like a scenario, like a warning label or something.

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Speaker 4: You know, I have a recall situation happening right now

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Speaker 4: as well.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, I didn't know that.

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Speaker 5: Wow.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry man. It's stinks. Recall situations stink. As you

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Speaker 2: guys have outlined right here. I want to give people

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Speaker 2: a little more information. If you have a vehicle that

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Speaker 2: was manufactured. It's like a model year two thousand and

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Speaker 2: two to twenty eighteen. Your vehicle is potentially affected by this,

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Speaker 2: but you kind of have to do some digging, which

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Speaker 2: and it's crazy that this organization what do we call them,

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Speaker 2: ben the NHTSA.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, think of the TSA but for cars.

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Speaker 5: By the way, shout out to Ralph Nader, without which

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Speaker 5: any of this would have been possible.

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Speaker 2: Yes, shout out to you, Ralph Natter. The National Highway

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Speaker 2: Traffic Safety Administration has been investigating this problem for years,

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Speaker 2: since twenty fifteen, and they just now this year came

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Speaker 2: out with some findings that are actionable to have another

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Speaker 2: meeting about it.

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Speaker 4: Right, you have that October fifth hearing while you're doing

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Speaker 4: this digging, folks, even though it is inconvenient, dying is

709
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Speaker 4: also inconvenient, so you know, prioritize things accordingly. You might

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Speaker 4: run into a situation where you feel like your car

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Speaker 4: is supposed to get a recall for these airbags, and

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Speaker 4: you might not see the company Automotive there be aware

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Speaker 4: that there's another company that also makes these allegedly faulty components.

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Speaker 4: They're called Delphi Automotive. They're making the same thing they

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Speaker 4: just have a different name.

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Speaker 2: Man, Yeah, I'm sorry I missed that, guys, I didn't

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Speaker 2: even see it in here.

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Speaker 4: Well that's all thanks to our good friends at Spectrum

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Speaker 4: News New York.

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Speaker 2: What oh man, thank you Spectrum. Uh yeah, yeah, No.

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Speaker 2: This is creepy and it's scary. But again, there is

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Speaker 2: a super low chance that your vehicle is going to

723
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Speaker 2: experience this problem, even if it has one of these

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Speaker 2: defective things in it, because again, all the all the

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Speaker 2: stars have to line up where you get in a

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Speaker 2: bad enough accident where an airbag deploys and that airbag

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Speaker 2: inflator is defective and you know whatever. It's just there

728
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Speaker 2: are a lot of things right. The probability is low.

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Speaker 2: But there's another thing about our vehicles that maybe we

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Speaker 2: should be paying a little more attention to.

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Speaker 3: Ben Matt Nol.

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Speaker 4: This is a tease because this may this may end

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Speaker 4: up being an episode.

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Speaker 2: Uh, let's do that. Let's make it an episode. But

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Speaker 2: let's tell people to give a little tease.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, your car is spying on you so hard, especially

737
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Speaker 4: the newer it is, the crazier it is. There's a

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Speaker 4: study that we're going to explore that conclusively proves car

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Speaker 4: companies are conspiring to take your information in.

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Speaker 3: Ways that you never imagined.

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Speaker 4: I guess the one of the biggest ones to leave

742
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Speaker 4: us with is Nissan is pretty close to figuring out

743
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Speaker 4: it's when its car owners have sex.

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Speaker 2: Think about your health app that you might have, Hey,

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Speaker 2: do you have a fit bit? Do you keep your

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Speaker 2: phone around you when you're getting it on?

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Speaker 5: Obviously for posterity?

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Speaker 2: And do you have a car app on your phone?

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Speaker 2: Do you plug your car in and use Apple Play

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Speaker 2: or Google Play or whatever it is that you know

751
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 2: vehicles communicate with your phone. Hey, there's some stuff going

752
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 2: on and it's purposeful. And Mozilla found out and they

753
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Speaker 2: told us about it.

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Speaker 5: Mozilla a little alien guy what they had, a cute

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Speaker 5: little for a time, it was an actual mascot, and

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Speaker 5: I think people forgot about old Mozilla.

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Speaker 3: Mozilla has been busy. They did.

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Speaker 4: They released one of my favorite to date comprehensive studies

759
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Speaker 4: of privacy in automobiles, which is that's.

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Speaker 3: A very specific favorite.

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Speaker 4: But they found that multiple companies, first off, their terms

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Speaker 4: of service and agreements are or Wellyan, it's crazy, it's

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Speaker 4: not just Nissan. Kia also mentions they can collect information

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Speaker 4: about your sex life and their privacy policy. And then

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Speaker 4: there were six other car companies all mentioned this study

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Speaker 4: who say that by owning or buying or driving this car,

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Speaker 4: you are agreeing that they can collect your genetic information

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Speaker 4: and genetic characteristics.

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Speaker 5: Wait a minute, is that like, hold on a second,

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00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 5: is yeah? Right, So if you accidentally, let you know,

771
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Speaker 5: get a little sloppy, and are you saying it's going

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Speaker 5: to like pick up your DNA.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no.

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Speaker 3: No, nos.

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Speaker 5: Data.

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Speaker 2: We need to talk about this at length. But the

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Speaker 2: biggest problem here is that new vehicles tout, hey, we

778
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 2: are a technological wonder, each new camera, each new whatever, ultima.

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Speaker 2: Those are the only two I've driven recently. But I've

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Speaker 2: driven a Nissan recently and it freaks me out. But

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Speaker 2: this brand new machine, it has sensors, all types of sensors.

782
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,800
Speaker 2: It's so intelligent, it's gonna you know, it knows everything

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Speaker 2: about its environment. It knows where you're going, how fast

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00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 2: you're going, what you're thinking. No, it doesn't know what

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00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 2: you're thinking. Well, yeah, predictively.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's tantamount to the same thing if you

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Speaker 5: think about it. It knows enough.

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Speaker 2: But the vehicle itself is a data collection machine. And yeah,

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Speaker 2: the question is what do the car companies do with

790
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Speaker 2: all that data?

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Speaker 3: They make money?

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Speaker 5: Well, and the argument is always usually when this kind

793
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Speaker 5: of data collection stuff comes up, the argument is usually

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Speaker 5: surrounding free products and services, right, like internet things, social media, whatever,

795
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 5: Pokemon go. You're the product. All that stuff is what

796
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 5: you're paying for the thing that you're using. But with

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Speaker 5: a car, you're paying a lot of money for that. Like,

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Speaker 5: how are they justifying this?

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Speaker 4: Well, they're justifying it because technology will always outpace legislation.

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Speaker 4: Vast majority of the United States, you need a car

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Speaker 4: to get around.

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Speaker 3: I can't wait.

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Speaker 4: I think we should do this episode. It's important. And

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Speaker 4: even if you don't consider yourself a car, automotive or

805
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 4: vehicle person, you're going to want to know what's going on.

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00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 4: It is, i would argue, again, an active conspiracy. So

807
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 4: have a great time on the road trip, folks. You

808
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 4: might want to take some different routes. Throw them off

809
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 4: a little bit, throw the heat off.

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Speaker 2: Just be cautious about what apps you have open on

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Speaker 2: your phone while it's connected to your car.

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00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 4: Be cautious of things advertise themselves as a seamless experience.

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Speaker 4: There's a reason why, right, So tune in for that

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Speaker 4: in an evening coming up soon. In the meantime, thank

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