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Speaker 1: Well, hello everybody, and welcome to the Mini Driver Bonanza

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Speaker 1: and wild West Review podcast.

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Speaker 2: I can't believe we're going to be talking about Bonanza TV.

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Speaker 1: It's an important show, very important.

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Speaker 2: Hello, I'm Mini Driver. I've always loved Preust's questionnaire. It

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Speaker 2: was originally in nineteenth century parlor game where players would

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Speaker 2: ask each other thirty five questions aimed at revealing the

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Speaker 2: other player's true nature. In asking different people the same

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Speaker 2: set of questions, you can make observations about which truths

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Speaker 2: appear to be universal. And it made me wonder, what

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Speaker 2: if these questions were just the jumping off point, what

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Speaker 2: greater depths would be revealed if I asked these questions

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Speaker 2: as conversation starters. So I adapted Prus's questionnaire and I

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Speaker 2: wrote my own seven questions that I personally think are

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Speaker 2: pertinent to a person's story. They are when and where

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Speaker 2: were you happiest? What is the quality you like least

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Speaker 2: about yourself? What relationship, real or fictionalized, defines love for you?

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Speaker 2: What question would you most like answered, What person, place,

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Speaker 2: or experience has shaped you the most? What would be

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Speaker 2: your last meal? And can you tell me something in

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Speaker 2: your life that's grown out of a personal disaster, and

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Speaker 2: I've gathered a group of really remarkable people, ones that

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Speaker 2: I am honored and humbled to have had the chance

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Speaker 2: to engage with. You may not hear their answers to

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Speaker 2: all seven of these questions. We've whittled it down to

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Speaker 2: which questions felt closest to their experience, or the most surprising,

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Speaker 2: or created the most fertile ground to connect. My guest

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Speaker 2: today on many questions is Rob Delaney. I think people

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Speaker 2: think of Rob as a brilliant comedian and actor, and

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Speaker 2: I mean I do too, But the thing that has

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Speaker 2: always stayed with me about him is his writing. I

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Speaker 2: loved the finely crafted, hilarious darkness and truth of his

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Speaker 2: and the wonderful Sharon Horgan's show Catastrophe, but it is

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Speaker 2: his book A Heart that Works, that I returned to

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Speaker 2: again and again. We first met over social media when

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Speaker 2: I was on a TV show called Speechless, where I

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Speaker 2: played a mum with a nonverbal kid, and we'd had

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Speaker 2: Henry's condition and looking for solutions for him were so

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Speaker 2: diligent and thorough. He was clearly a devoted father who

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Speaker 2: happened to be extremely funny. Henry died in twenty eighteen

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Speaker 2: from an ependymoma, which is an aggressive form of cancer

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Speaker 2: write A Heart That Works, which to me really is

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Speaker 2: one of the clearest, most keenly observed meditations on life,

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Speaker 2: great privilege to get to talk to Rob today. Now,

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Speaker 2: what do you want to ask me? Rob?

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Speaker 1: Okay the pod? So, I know this is your podcast,

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Speaker 1: but I first wanted to say not too long ago.

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Speaker 1: You know, I have kids, and sometimes after you've watched

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Speaker 1: like a finite amount, right, So I was like, for god,

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Speaker 1: what next Phantom of the Opera? And so this is

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Speaker 1: what I thought putting it in. I was I was like,

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Speaker 1: and I put it in. And it turns out Joel

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Speaker 1: Schumacher is the best possible person to direct that insane story,

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Speaker 1: the end. So this is a full throated endorsement of

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Speaker 1: The Phantom of the Opera, in which you played Carlotta.

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Speaker 1: Am I right about that? Yes, yes, just I'll watch

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Speaker 2: I am so glad that your transition from the movies

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Speaker 2: I think I was in a different film to everybody

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I like fanso of the Opera, but

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Speaker 2: I also like this weird confection.

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Speaker 1: You know, you realize he's sort of one of those

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Speaker 1: guys who're like, what is he up to? And then

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Speaker 2: He's amazing. He's amazing, And I'm telling you go watch

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Speaker 2: His Batman. He's a genius and the funniest, the funniest

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Speaker 2: know if I've said it on this podcast. When we

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Speaker 2: Obviously we sent them notes back saying we love you

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Speaker 2: sitting in his funny outfit with his very bright platinum hair,

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Speaker 3: There's nothing I like more in the whole world than

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Speaker 3: a funeral scene. And if you want to make me

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Speaker 3: And I'll get Andrew to write a funereal song.

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Speaker 2: That was its quality. He was amazing. I love love him,

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Speaker 2: Thank you. I'm so glad that your children loved it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, at times they were are you okay? When I'm

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Speaker 1: what it looks like. Strongly pro phantom style relationship, underground cavern,

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Speaker 1: you know, imprisonment, tutelage, all that stuff is what makes

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Speaker 2: I'm very glad that we've got into Rob's idea of

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Speaker 1: Oh boy, well it's funny now, I mean, you know,

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Speaker 2: I love the smush version of happiness, and I fully

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Speaker 2: And whenever I see Rob, because I have a son

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you've got to let it all move through you.

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Speaker 1: There's this quote, I'm not like a practicing Christian. I

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Speaker 1: It's weird, and I'm thinking about it because now I'm

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Speaker 1: of wouldn't chastise anybody else who was struggling with anger.

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Speaker 1: There's like satellites all over the place. Which one did

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Speaker 1: No, I drank into a blackout and I don't remember

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Speaker 1: it was, that was okay. But when I realized, holy mackerel,

435
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,679
Speaker 1: if I could pass out and kill somebody, I'm behind

436
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 1: the wheel and I don't even remember getting in the car.

437
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 1: This has to stop. I don't want to kill anybody.

438
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 1: I don't want to hurt anybody. And so it started

439
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:41,159
Speaker 1: to get sober and go to twelve Step meetings and stuff.

440
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 1: And when I was sober for a year, this emacated

441
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 1: junkie came into a meeting and I had on a

442
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 1: Boston Red Sox cap and this guy goes, hey, I'm

443
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,680
Speaker 1: from Boston, and I go, oh cool, And I introduced

444
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 1: myself and talked to him for a little bit. Was

445
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 1: just getting off of pills and was a mess, you know,

446
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 1: really close to death. And I gave him my phone number.

447
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 1: I wrote it down a little piece of paper and

448
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:11,199
Speaker 1: I was like, well, hey, give me a call and

449
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about the Red Sox and not taking

450
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 1: pills and drinking bourbon. And then one year later at

451
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:23,160
Speaker 1: the same meeting and this muscular, tanned, beautiful guy comes

452
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,639
Speaker 1: up to me and is like, hey, Rob, and I

453
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:29,159
Speaker 1: said hello, and he goes, hey, it's Will. Remember we

454
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 1: met a year ago. And he pointed to the corner

455
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,680
Speaker 1: where he had been, like, you know, curled up in

456
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,679
Speaker 1: a ball and he was like yeah, I was like skinny,

457
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,159
Speaker 1: a junkie, and you were nice to me and gave

458
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 1: me a number and I was like, yeah, my god,

459
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 1: like it was like a different person. And so we

460
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,120
Speaker 1: got to talking and he's like, listen, before I went

461
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,680
Speaker 1: off the rails, I worked at this camp for people

462
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:53,360
Speaker 1: with disabilities, and now they've got some spride under my belt.

463
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,919
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start one up here in LA because this

464
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,399
Speaker 1: souther one was in Massachusetts. Would you be interested in

465
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,679
Speaker 1: volunteering at it? And I was like, yeah, yeah, it

466
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 1: would be and so I did so, and I loved it,

467
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 1: working with kids and adults with Down syndrome cerebral palsy,

468
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 1: and it was really wonderful. I was twenty six, twenty

469
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 1: seven and then summer was rolling around. So the mothership

470
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 1: that his camp had was the satellite of was in Massachusetts,

471
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 1: and I decided to go to that. And this was

472
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: before Obama Care, so I had to get a job

473
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 1: that had benefits. And so I was working at this

474
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 1: terrible internet company and I walked into my boss's office

475
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 1: and I said, I'm quitting, I think, because I'm going

476
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 1: to go volunteer at this camp for a few weeks.

477
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,439
Speaker 1: And he goes, you know what, that would look good

478
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: if we let you do that. That would be just

479
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:49,640
Speaker 1: be good for tax purposes. We can say like, oh,

480
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,640
Speaker 1: we volunteer, so go do it. We'll pay you half

481
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 1: your salary while you're doing it, then you can come back.

482
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,640
Speaker 1: And I was like what. It wasn't like hey, that's cool.

483
00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: It was like that would look good for us, so

484
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 1: yet you're not. And I was like, oh all right.

485
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 1: So I went and the day I got there, I

486
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: met the woman who is now my wife. She was

487
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: a counselor. Yeah, and the camp was one on one,

488
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 1: so every counselor had one camper because it was heavy

489
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: duty stuff, you know, like a teenager or an adult

490
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 1: with cebral palsy y. You know, you're lifting them and

491
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 1: bathing them and stuff. So we each had I had

492
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,880
Speaker 1: an adolescent with tarble palsy, and she had a teenager

493
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,400
Speaker 1: with cerebral palsy. And so I just met this beautiful

494
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: woman who was a school teacher and was taking the

495
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,199
Speaker 1: summer to do this volunteer work. And she was in

496
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,400
Speaker 1: a bikini which I recently found in storage when going

497
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: through some old stuff. So it was so tiny. So

498
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: in a sense, it wasn't my fault, but she you know,

499
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: so we fell in love. Yeah, so this guy. So

500
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: basically what I'm saying is like, the thing was I

501
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: don't know was that? Was it my alcoholism? Was it

502
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: the accident? Was it me putting out my hand in

503
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: the spirit of the twelve Steps and saying like, hey

504
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 1: man and doing what you're told in that program? You know?

505
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 2: Was it him not calling you in that year and

506
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 2: waiting to come back transform about exactly?

507
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 1: And So to me, that's a pretty miraculous turn of events.

508
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 2: I agree.

509
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: So I wind up falling in love with that woman.

510
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: We've been together for years, and then we wind up

511
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 1: amazingly having a son who gets disabled by cancer, brain

512
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: cancer and surgery, and winds up having things like feeding tubes,

513
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: breathing tubes and all the things that we learned. How

514
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: to take care of and maintain when we met.

515
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 2: You know, the crazy, the magic of that of that

516
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:44,719
Speaker 2: wonder and that love. Yeah, none of this disallows the

517
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 2: agony of what happened. But I'm so interested in how

518
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 2: much grace from will being near death just saying hi

519
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 2: to you and you probably maybe even because I've done

520
00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 2: it myself and alan on meetings through my life performatively

521
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 2: oh hey, take my number, and then kind of forgetting

522
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 2: about that person, re meeting him, his life transformed. You

523
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 2: meeting your wife, you having Henry, you both being fully

524
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 2: qualified in the largeness of both of your hearts, and

525
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 2: also expertise from having volunteered to take care of him.

526
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 1: Insane. It just goes to show you that you cannot

527
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 1: know the effect of one tiny act of kindness can

528
00:30:31,720 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 1: get rolling like a snowball and become a wonderful avalanche.

529
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 2: In your life. Can you tell me about something that

530
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 2: has grown out of a personal disaster?

531
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 1: Well, I feel like I just did with the thing

532
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: of the car accident leading to being married to my

533
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: wife and being having some skills in our back pockets

534
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: ready to go to care for Henry. So that's one disaster.

535
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: But let me think of another one, maybe like a.

536
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 2: U turn, like in terms of things are going along

537
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 2: one way and then something happens. It doesn't necessarily have

538
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 2: to be a disaster. But I think the idea of

539
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 2: we're attached to our life going in one way and

540
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 2: something then happens that is ostensibly not what we've planned.

541
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 2: It's challenging to talk about this when you've had a

542
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 2: child who's passed away, because obviously you are here functioning,

543
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 2: this beautiful dad and person and husband, and your very

544
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 2: being here is the answer to this question. But I

545
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 2: wonder if there is, if there was anything in your career,

546
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 2: how did you dovetail out of working at the bad

547
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 2: Internet company into stand up and writing and being a comedian.

548
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I went to Tish School of the Arts,

549
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: where I studied musical theater, and thought like, oh, I

550
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: want to do Broadway shows. That's what I want to do.

551
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 2: I kind of want you to do that, so I'd

552
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 2: love to maybe that can be on the cause.

553
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: But then my final year of university I found live comedy,

554
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: and this would be in nineteen ninety eight, and so

555
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: as soon as I saw people making people laugh with

556
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: stuff that they'd thought up themselves, that I was like, oh,

557
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: I want to smoke that crack. Rather than the mediocre

558
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: joint of doing something somebody else wrote that they would

559
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 1: do even if I weren't there, they would cast somebody

560
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 1: else in it. I want to do stuff that only

561
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 1: I can do. So I started doing that. And then

562
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: after being like what they call a U five meaning

563
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 1: somebody who has under five lines on a soap opera,

564
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: you five. This is an AFTRA contract, not even a SAG,

565
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: no control they time together. So it's so having like

566
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: less than five lines on a couple episodes of all

567
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: my children, I was like, obviously I need to go

568
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: to Hollywood immediately. And so I go to Hollywood and

569
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: you know, like six months later i'd drive into the building.

570
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: So then, as I said, I had to get a

571
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: job that I didn't want to do so that I

572
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: could have health insurance. And it was a company that

573
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 1: I can't use the word invent because they just kind

574
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: of stole it from Friendster. But this company came up

575
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: with my Space, and so we all kind of got

576
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: some like clout from being in the same building as

577
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: a guy who was like, let's copy Friendster and call

578
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: it MySpace. And so people are like, oh wow, like

579
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: you helped invent MySpace and I was like, no, no,

580
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: I didn't. So I kind of like failed upward. I

581
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: wasn't good at it. I hated it. And then I

582
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: would get laid off periodically and go to another company

583
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: do like the internet stuff, for like an auto loan

584
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 1: company or a makeup company. And when I got laid

585
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 1: off from the third company got raided or something. One

586
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 1: of them later wound up dead in a motel that

587
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: had burned like a really rich guy's found in a

588
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: CD motel that it was just like exploded. So I'm

589
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: at these companies which are not feeding my soul, to

590
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 1: say the least. And I get laid off from the

591
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: third one, and I was like it's time. I'm so,

592
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:26,879
Speaker 1: what did you do? I'm a comedian. Oh my god,

593
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: so I'm doing this. This is so funny.

594
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 2: The motel exploded in flames.

595
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: This is hilario a switch fuld. Yeah, I guess this

596
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 1: would be like two thousand and seven or so, and

597
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: I just said it's now or never. So then I

598
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,280
Speaker 1: just started doing stand up in La in La.

599
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 2: Like all those clubs, just like going.

600
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 1: Multiple sets every night, driving from club to club to

601
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: the theater to bar to thie restaurant where people are like,

602
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 1: oh no, there's a comedy show happening. And I just

603
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 1: kept doing that, and so I went from having a

604
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: little bit of money in the bank to no money

605
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 1: in the bank, to being horrifically in debt, to my

606
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 1: wife being like, oh my god, what have I got

607
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 1: myself into? And it was funny. I was telling our

608
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: babysitter about this last night. At one point my wife

609
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, I like Rob, He's a nice person,

610
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 1: he has good jeens. He isn't gonna be able to

611
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 1: raise a family because so what I'm gonna do is

612
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get pregnant and literally probably won't raise the

613
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 1: child with him, but I'm getting to the point where

614
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: I kind of need to have kids, and so I'll

615
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: just get pregnant because people have done that and then

616
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: and raised the kid on their own. Or maybe I'll

617
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,439
Speaker 1: meet somebody, meet somebody who is employeable. Maybe And then

618
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: weeks after she got pregnant, I got a couple jobs

619
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: at once, like a job writing for my first TV show.

620
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: Because at this point I'm sending packets of jokes to

621
00:35:56,040 --> 00:36:00,399
Speaker 1: Kimmel Conan Chelsea Handler trying to be a late writer.

622
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,439
Speaker 2: Who gave you the first gig.

623
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,439
Speaker 1: It was a show called Ridiculousness on MTV. It wasn't

624
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: a late night show. It's a show that's still running

625
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: and dominates MTV. Like there's no music, yeah, because it's

626
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 1: just Ridiculousness, which is like a funny home videos show

627
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: hosted by the skater and entrepreneur Rob Dirdick, and so

628
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: it's very funny. I was on the first season of

629
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,240
Speaker 1: this show, Ridiculousness, and that changed my life. And shortly

630
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: after that I got a book deal, and then I

631
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 1: got to make a pilot for Comedy Central and it began, yeah,

632
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: like I started to be able to earn a living

633
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 1: from just jokes and writing and acting and stuff, whereas

634
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:48,800
Speaker 1: before that I super didn't, or rather I did upon

635
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: graduation from school. And then when I drove into the building,

636
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: that stopped and then just had a what we'll call

637
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,320
Speaker 1: I don't know if I was called a fallow period,

638
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: because it was necessary. I think that's sixty the ground

639
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 1: was being fertilized.

640
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 2: That is my podcast.

641
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 4: And I can't tell you how oh, I can't tell

642
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 4: you how much I'm going to listen to this and

643
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 4: remember things when I need to be reminded of things.

644
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 1: I can't believe how honest I was with you and

645
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 1: talked about things that I wouldn't normally ever talk about it.

646
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:28,359
Speaker 2: I'm so glad that you did and were and we

647
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 2: hug your wife from me, I will And have you

648
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 2: got a fifteen year old?

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Speaker 1: Is? No? My oldest is twelve?

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Speaker 2: Ah? The twelve year old?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, I see, because Henry was born in two

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Speaker 2: thousand and eight. Yeah, I got it. Well, maybe we'll

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Speaker 2: all cross paths in the park. We can go and

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Speaker 2: play cricket instead of softball.

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Speaker 1: Wow. I'll have to learn how. But if you're willing

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Speaker 1: to be patient with me, it's really good.

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Speaker 2: I'd bowl under arm to you anyway. Okay, great, Thank you.

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Speaker 2: You're an angel.

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Speaker 1: You are.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. Mini Questions is hosted and written by Me

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Speaker 2: Mini Driver, Executive produced by Me and Aaron Kaufman, with

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Speaker 2: production support from Jennifer Bassett, Zoe Denkler, and Ali Perry.

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