WEBVTT - Gilberto Gil 0:00:04.160 --> 0:00:08.000 Welcome, Welcome, Welcome to the Bob Left Sets podcast. My 0:00:08.160 --> 0:00:13.960 guest today is Brazilian superstar Gilberto Jill Gibert. Though. Hi, 0:00:15.080 --> 0:00:17.360 great to have you here, are great to have me here. 0:00:17.800 --> 0:00:21.599 I am literally in Rio de Janeiro, in the hills. No, 0:00:21.720 --> 0:00:24.919 we Americans not not that. Everybody listening to this podcast 0:00:25.239 --> 0:00:27.440 lives in the United States tend to be ignorant of 0:00:27.440 --> 0:00:30.800 other countries. So it's great to come to Brazil to 0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:34.000 see the topography. And the other thing is I was 0:00:34.040 --> 0:00:37.440 asking whether they had daylight savings time in Rio de 0:00:37.560 --> 0:00:42.280 Janeiro where they turned the clocks forward, and my driver said, oh, 0:00:42.280 --> 0:00:44.519 of course we have that. It ended in February. I 0:00:44.600 --> 0:00:49.240 was too stupid to realize everything's reversed. They had summer. 0:00:49.520 --> 0:00:53.280 Now we're going to falls behind the right. I'm here 0:00:53.280 --> 0:00:56.320 in our head, here on a beautiful fall day in 0:00:56.360 --> 0:01:00.240 the hills of Rio de Janeiro, where Gilbert though has 0:01:00.280 --> 0:01:03.880 an office complex in a studio, and it very much 0:01:04.000 --> 0:01:08.000 reminds me of a fall day in Los Angeles. Certain moods, 0:01:08.000 --> 0:01:11.199 certain lights, certain smell and it has me in a mood. 0:01:11.200 --> 0:01:13.880 And I'm learning so much and we're gonna learn some more. 0:01:14.240 --> 0:01:18.559 From Joberto so Gilberto. When did you decide you wanted 0:01:18.600 --> 0:01:22.280 to make music for a living? I was very young. Uh. 0:01:22.560 --> 0:01:26.480 My mother used to tell me a story about when 0:01:26.520 --> 0:01:32.560 I was two of age, two years of age, and 0:01:32.560 --> 0:01:36.120 and she asked me what I was going to be 0:01:36.480 --> 0:01:42.160 when a growing up, and I responded to the answered 0:01:43.480 --> 0:01:50.000 a musician. And then she took that in mind, and 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:54.800 then she was always watching me. And then when at 0:01:54.840 --> 0:01:59.279 the age of nine she sent me to a music school. Okay, 0:01:59.320 --> 0:02:01.800 but you're an age too. What did your father do 0:02:01.920 --> 0:02:05.200 for a living, and what do you do for work? 0:02:05.400 --> 0:02:08.440 There was a doctor? What what kind of doctor? He 0:02:08.560 --> 0:02:14.919 was a physician? Okay, So in America that's a North 0:02:14.960 --> 0:02:18.200 America because we're in America here too, North America, a 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:22.919 doctor is a upper middle class profession and the same 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:27.520 thing here is good. There was enough money growing up, etcetera. Yeah, 0:02:27.600 --> 0:02:35.079 he was. He was an upper middle class, uh person. 0:02:35.960 --> 0:02:42.640 And by the standards, by Baya Brazilian bayas standards. Then 0:02:43.400 --> 0:02:47.440 in ninety nine when when when he graduated and and 0:02:47.440 --> 0:02:51.120 and then he went to the to the countryside in 0:02:51.200 --> 0:02:54.600 Baia to know to start we start his profession. Don't 0:02:54.639 --> 0:02:57.160 forget I'm an American So I'm ignorant if I'm in 0:02:57.240 --> 0:03:03.680 real audition. Earrow, where is Bahia? Bahia? Same Atlantic coast 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:10.400 north going north? So if if if you consider the 0:03:10.480 --> 0:03:16.920 whole Atlantic Brazilian coast going from thousand to to Amazon, 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:20.800 right is in the middle, Okay, and how far is 0:03:20.800 --> 0:03:26.280 it from Rio de Janeiro to thousand and two point 0:03:26.320 --> 0:03:30.919 five thousand kilometers kilometers? So that's point six and that's 0:03:30.919 --> 0:03:38.000 like twelve miles. That's far it's and it's Bahia's huge. Yeah, 0:03:38.040 --> 0:03:39.600 that's what people don't realize. You look at a map, 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:42.800 most of South America is Brazil. It's the same size 0:03:42.800 --> 0:03:46.400 as the continental United States. So it was by here 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:52.119 in a big city. It's they initial the founding city 0:03:52.440 --> 0:03:58.200 of Brazil. You know, when the Portuguese arrived in in 0:03:58.520 --> 0:04:11.600 fifteen hundred, they they spotted an interesting place to have 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:15.200 the boats and everything to you know, the bay right 0:04:15.320 --> 0:04:18.360 Salvador is a bay like Guadabada here in Rio, it's 0:04:18.400 --> 0:04:21.719 also a bay. So it's a beautiful bay where the 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:26.000 Portuguese arrived and then installed themselves there and they started 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:29.159 the city. And then that's the city of Salvador, the 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:32.839 capital at a capital of the state of Baia and 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:40.160 then the historical uh city you know, was the first one, 0:04:40.520 --> 0:04:44.600 you know, so it predates rial yeah game before Okay, 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:47.600 so you're two years old. Did your parents play a 0:04:47.600 --> 0:04:49.560 lot of music in the house. No, not at all. 0:04:49.960 --> 0:04:51.760 You just woke up one days I'm gonna be a musician. 0:04:52.080 --> 0:04:55.320 It came from the radio, from okay, from from from 0:04:55.400 --> 0:04:59.160 listening to the radio. The radio was the only thing 0:04:59.279 --> 0:05:01.080 we have. The funny thing is, for those of us 0:05:01.160 --> 0:05:04.120 at a certain age, radio is still the thing. I 0:05:04.200 --> 0:05:07.839 remember living in Connecticut and you get a transistor radio 0:05:08.360 --> 0:05:09.960 and you put it under your pillow and you listen 0:05:10.000 --> 0:05:13.000 to the baseball game and then the Beatles hit and 0:05:13.040 --> 0:05:16.160 you listen to music, music and football here in Brazil 0:05:16.320 --> 0:05:19.920 exactly in it to sue the little village in in 0:05:20.200 --> 0:05:24.360 the countryside where my my father went with. Okay, so 0:05:24.400 --> 0:05:28.440 how many children in your family? To me and the girl? 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:30.720 And are you the oldest of the oldest the one 0:05:30.800 --> 0:05:34.320 year it is your sister still alive, she's she's alive, 0:05:34.400 --> 0:05:38.640 and the parents gun but your their mothers sister. What 0:05:38.800 --> 0:05:43.840 is her life like now? She's quiet, you know, at 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:49.039 home because she couldn't work anymore, and everything. And but 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:52.400 she went to school with me, and then she she 0:05:52.440 --> 0:05:56.320 did the high school, and then she she did the university. 0:05:56.440 --> 0:06:01.240 She she graduated. She was a dentist. Really. Yeah, so 0:06:01.960 --> 0:06:04.080 when your how old? Your mother sent you to music 0:06:04.120 --> 0:06:08.120 school when I was nine? Okay, Now, usually in America 0:06:08.160 --> 0:06:12.080 and EA, it's about sending your kids to take piano lessons. Okay. 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:15.120 Then in my case was accordion. Okay, but you had 0:06:15.160 --> 0:06:18.839 to learn how to read music. Yes, so you learn that. Yes, 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:23.040 you still know how to read music, not necessarily because 0:06:23.080 --> 0:06:27.120 I gave up, abandoned to to to have the tuitions, 0:06:27.440 --> 0:06:30.920 you know, for for playing accordion and everything. It was 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:36.480 necessary to have theoretical knowledge about music and everything and everything, 0:06:37.400 --> 0:06:40.720 and I took it. And then my first four or 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:45.880 five years with music was playing learning how to play accordion, 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:53.400 and then knowing a little the the theory, no musical theory. 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:58.800 Then later when I gave up the accordion to to 0:06:58.920 --> 0:07:04.360 take the guitar, I then I thought myself, you know, okay, 0:07:04.480 --> 0:07:13.400 without why the accordion because it was very um how 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:19.920 to say, a very remarkable uh instrument In terms of 0:07:20.160 --> 0:07:25.800 our culture. We lived in a region where the Great, 0:07:25.880 --> 0:07:30.080 Great great master of music, you know in pop music 0:07:30.400 --> 0:07:35.200 was a guy named Luis Gonzaga and and his instrument 0:07:35.440 --> 0:07:39.920 was accordion. So everything we were listening in, you know, 0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:44.120 in the radio and in the houses and yeah, yeah, 0:07:44.200 --> 0:07:47.440 he was big. He was the big star. He was 0:07:47.520 --> 0:07:52.000 the Did you ever go to see him perform? Yeah, 0:07:52.440 --> 0:07:55.600 And that was an inspiration for me. That was exactly 0:07:55.680 --> 0:07:59.200 who I I decided to take the accordion. After I 0:07:59.200 --> 0:08:02.760 went I went to an open air concert that he 0:08:02.800 --> 0:08:06.520 gave him in Salvador by yea. And then I said 0:08:06.800 --> 0:08:10.640 when I got home, I said to my to my 0:08:10.640 --> 0:08:15.920 my people, I want to play with the instrument he's playing. 0:08:16.120 --> 0:08:18.640 And then my mother said, okay, I'm I'm gonna stay 0:08:18.720 --> 0:08:23.440 to school. This is if you were of a certain 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:26.000 age or a baby boomer and you're in your sixties. 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:28.480 A lot of people started picking up the guitar when 0:08:28.480 --> 0:08:32.760 they saw the Beatles. Okay, so you're playing the accordion. 0:08:33.080 --> 0:08:36.720 Do you ever have doubts and say, I'm not really, 0:08:36.760 --> 0:08:41.320 I don't really like this? He little, Yes, I I 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:47.920 because especially because of the of the the way the 0:08:48.120 --> 0:08:53.040 school you know went for me, I mean, with a 0:08:53.080 --> 0:08:59.199 lot of of of of exercise, and theoretical uh lessons 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:02.600 and things and things, and in the repertoire that that 0:09:02.760 --> 0:09:07.600 was not necessarily you know what I wanted. I had 0:09:07.600 --> 0:09:12.080 to play many classical pieces and and and you know 0:09:12.160 --> 0:09:17.120 European classical pieces and and everything and that. Okay, I 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:19.120 liked it because I like music, but it was not 0:09:19.240 --> 0:09:22.320 my not the cup of tea, you know, not not 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:26.240 my cup of tea. And then when Jon Hubert too 0:09:27.080 --> 0:09:30.280 that you of course you know who he is. He 0:09:30.400 --> 0:09:34.360 started the Bostonenva playing guitar thing. You know, that was 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:39.320 a staunching that was absolutely no amazing and and and 0:09:39.320 --> 0:09:42.520 and what year did Bosonova started in Britain And then 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:46.679 I took the guitar myself. When did Bosanova become a 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:51.240 big sound in Brazil? Fifty nine sixty okay, so it's 0:09:51.280 --> 0:09:53.640 like a year too late in the United States. Yeah, 0:09:53.679 --> 0:09:57.000 did it hit there when they went to the Carnegie Hall, 0:09:57.520 --> 0:10:02.480 famous legendary moment. Wh it was bossa nova an interestant 0:10:02.520 --> 0:10:08.240 success in Brazil? You mean now, no, INFT nine, No, 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:12.959 that was starting. That was the first record that was released, 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:18.240 you know, Jean Hubert to singing by me, Tristez, South 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:23.840 Daddy and Joe being Joe don't you Bean's song, and 0:10:24.080 --> 0:10:29.000 then that became very popular, and then the following no 0:10:29.640 --> 0:10:32.840 records and things became very big, and so and so 0:10:32.880 --> 0:10:40.520 and so, and then Bosanova became uh uh uh something 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:44.600 you know, big in Brazil and not only here but 0:10:44.880 --> 0:10:49.599 then the world. So you literally Bossonova hits you to 0:10:49.640 --> 0:10:54.600 say I'm done with you accordion guitar. That's that was okay, 0:10:54.800 --> 0:10:59.080 But meanwhile you're continuing to go to school. Yes, yes, 0:10:59.160 --> 0:11:03.840 because it was project. The family project was that I 0:11:03.840 --> 0:11:07.920 would become a doctor, right right, like an a nice 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:11.760 Jewish boy. First first my father wanted me to be 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:15.960 a physician like himself. And then I said no, no, no, no, 0:11:15.960 --> 0:11:22.240 no no, no, Papa, impossible. And then uh they were 0:11:22.360 --> 0:11:33.400 starting uh new uh school of Administration Business and Public Administration. 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:36.480 And then I said, I go, I go for that. 0:11:37.360 --> 0:11:40.240 And then I went to the university to do business 0:11:40.960 --> 0:11:44.120 administration and you got a degree, got a degree for 0:11:44.280 --> 0:11:48.560 yours later. And then because of that degree, I went 0:11:48.640 --> 0:11:52.960 to I came to some powow in Real to work 0:11:54.000 --> 0:11:58.840 as as a trainee for the unilivery International company. You know, 0:11:59.600 --> 0:12:02.920 okay that as a as a business at that time, 0:12:03.800 --> 0:12:07.200 do you still believe you're going to be a professional musician. 0:12:07.400 --> 0:12:12.640 I wanted. I wanted very much. I kept that desire 0:12:13.120 --> 0:12:16.360 inside inside, and of course I was looking for the 0:12:16.480 --> 0:12:22.480 opportunities to, you know, doing Okay, at what point in 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:26.480 your success did your parents accept that you were a 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:33.880 successful musician and be proud of you after the second 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:37.800 third year? Because I stayed as a as a as 0:12:37.800 --> 0:12:43.600 a as a businessman. This is po and for two 0:12:43.679 --> 0:12:50.600 years and then I started going places, knowing people, meeting 0:12:50.760 --> 0:12:54.840 musicians and everything, producing my stuff at home and everything. 0:12:54.880 --> 0:12:59.840 And then I I had I was ready to to start. 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:03.079 Right then I I wrote to my father. I phoned it, 0:13:03.160 --> 0:13:05.400 but I think I wrote him because he he had 0:13:05.400 --> 0:13:09.640 no telephone at home in in the in the little 0:13:09.800 --> 0:13:13.839 city where he lived in Baya. Then I wrote him 0:13:13.840 --> 0:13:18.160 a letter saying, Papa, now I'm going to do my dream. 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:20.080 I'm going to go to for my dream. I'm going 0:13:20.120 --> 0:13:23.560 to be a musician and everything. I know it's hard, 0:13:24.200 --> 0:13:28.200 but anyway, I'm gonna try. And then he was a 0:13:28.200 --> 0:13:35.520 little skeptical, but then came one first hit. One first 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:39.120 a song I have to ask you, and then she 0:13:39.360 --> 0:13:43.600 and then both him and my mother accepted. She has 0:13:44.000 --> 0:13:47.280 accepted already because she was the one that had put 0:13:47.520 --> 0:13:50.840 the accordion and the guitar in my hands. You know, 0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:55.760 he was a little more, you know, reticent, but reticent. 0:13:55.920 --> 0:13:58.200 When you quit your job and you want to be 0:13:58.240 --> 0:14:01.640 a musician, do you ask your mother for money? Yes? 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:06.360 What does he say? He said, you see you see 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:12.280 I was telling you it's it's it's risky. You're not 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:18.640 you're you're not able to you know, toget a living anything. 0:14:18.800 --> 0:14:21.680 I said, yeah, Papa, but I'm gonna try. Can you 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:26.320 help me? And he said, okay, I'll help you. But 0:14:26.400 --> 0:14:29.000 he did he put a time limit on it. Did 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:30.960 he say, I'll help you for two years then back 0:14:31.000 --> 0:14:34.840 to you the level? No, no, no, no no, he said, 0:14:35.400 --> 0:14:39.160 make a good news of this money that I'm sending you. 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:45.960 You know, provide your your your needs, you know, provide 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:52.920 you you're you're living, get well with your family, and 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:58.400 give you your trying go for you try with music. 0:14:58.600 --> 0:15:02.160 If it doesn't succeed, we we we're good at see 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:09.560 you're listening to Gilbert. Though Jill, who was excommunicated from 0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:12.480 his own country, went to London in the early seventies, 0:15:12.640 --> 0:15:15.480 was influenced by reggae, came back to Brazil, had a 0:15:15.600 --> 0:15:17.920 huge hit with a cover of No Woman, No Club. 0:15:18.160 --> 0:15:21.920 Will be back in a moment. Hey, it's Bob and 0:15:22.040 --> 0:15:24.520 I host the Bob Left Sets podcast on tune in. 0:15:25.000 --> 0:15:27.320 Each week I welcome innovators from the worlds of music, 0:15:27.400 --> 0:15:29.920 tech and media to join me in the tune In studios. 0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:32.920 From Shirley Manson, lead singer of the band Garbage, to 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:37.640 Nathan Hubbard, the former CEO of Ticketmaster and stealth innovator 0:15:37.680 --> 0:15:40.880 in the ticketing space. We discussed their backgrounds as a 0:15:40.960 --> 0:15:44.360 means to understand how and why they became successful, leaving 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:46.760 an impact on the world as we know it. Check 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:52.640 out the Bob Left Sets podcast on tune in and 0:15:52.720 --> 0:15:55.160 now back to more with the Gilbert though Jill on 0:15:55.280 --> 0:16:00.880 the Bob Left Sets podcast. So you quit your job 0:16:00.920 --> 0:16:03.520 at you and the lever before you were successful at music. 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:08.400 So how long after you quit didn't start to work? 0:16:08.480 --> 0:16:11.320 Two to three years between two What was the key 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:17.240 to making it work? It was the success of a 0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:23.880 song in a context that we had then in in 0:16:23.960 --> 0:16:34.240 a big, big television network, you know, presenting artists, new 0:16:34.440 --> 0:16:37.840 artists doing new songs. You know and everything, and one 0:16:37.920 --> 0:16:41.520 of those songs became very You wrote the song. I 0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:43.880 wrote the song, and I performed the song. You were 0:16:43.920 --> 0:16:47.120 on the televisions. How did you get on the television show? 0:16:47.400 --> 0:16:50.000 I was asking too. So you didn't have a manager, 0:16:50.280 --> 0:16:52.000 You were just doing it yourself. I was. I was 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:54.520 when I when I was in in in the union 0:16:54.560 --> 0:16:58.480 leaver job, and as I told you, I started going 0:16:58.600 --> 0:17:03.440 places and seeing people for meeting musicians. Some of those musicians, 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:08.320 some of those artists were already you know, big so sussful, 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:13.560 and one of them, at least Regina, a big, big singer, 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:18.680 a female singer, very important. I was sent to her 0:17:18.760 --> 0:17:21.920 house someday to show her some some songs because she 0:17:22.080 --> 0:17:24.879 was she was going to record the next songs, you know. 0:17:25.400 --> 0:17:29.119 And then she said, okay, I will take you to 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:32.720 my to my show, to my television show, and so 0:17:32.960 --> 0:17:35.879 she did. Okay, it worked out that. I have to ask. 0:17:36.040 --> 0:17:40.080 You got your degree in business administration. Did it help 0:17:40.160 --> 0:17:43.240 you at all in your music career? I think so, 0:17:45.040 --> 0:17:51.920 especially in terms of the running the administration ing of 0:17:52.080 --> 0:17:56.720 my career, because at first, in some Paolo I took 0:17:56.800 --> 0:17:59.879 somebody as an agent too to take care of my 0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:04.200 I of myself and of my bookings and and things, 0:18:04.359 --> 0:18:08.320 you know, and my my my relating to the media 0:18:08.480 --> 0:18:12.399 and so and so and so. But then with the 0:18:12.480 --> 0:18:16.480 experience I had, not that necessarily the experience, but with 0:18:16.720 --> 0:18:21.280 the knowledge you know, that had about business and everything 0:18:21.560 --> 0:18:26.000 that had acquired at the university, I told myself, can 0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:29.840 I I think I can go by myself, you know, 0:18:30.240 --> 0:18:34.159 running my my own thing. And then I did and 0:18:34.320 --> 0:18:39.399 I started my own small company. And it's been so 0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:45.000 like that, you know. Okay, so for fifty years, you 0:18:45.119 --> 0:18:50.320 never had a manager, you know, yeah you're the manager. Wow, 0:18:51.000 --> 0:18:54.960 But you had did you? In terms of a booking age, 0:18:55.160 --> 0:18:57.119 of course, I have a have a group. I have it. 0:18:57.400 --> 0:18:59.119 Of course you're not doing a team. I had my 0:18:59.240 --> 0:19:02.520 wife for instance, that takes care of the whole you know, 0:19:03.440 --> 0:19:11.320 office thing and never but but I the last word 0:19:11.440 --> 0:19:16.119 is my word. And in terms of booking gigs, you 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:20.040 also do that in the house, yes, yes, yes, our 0:19:20.240 --> 0:19:26.520 our our office. It's a it's a compound that that 0:19:26.880 --> 0:19:33.800 includes the running of the career, the booking of the career, 0:19:34.440 --> 0:19:40.440 the the the relating with the press and and everything. 0:19:41.119 --> 0:19:44.960 The studio where we are now here also where I 0:19:45.520 --> 0:19:49.359 rehearse our record and everything. It's been like that for 0:19:49.800 --> 0:19:53.720 for a long time because most musicians from that era 0:19:54.119 --> 0:19:57.800 can tell stories of getting ripped off by management accountants. 0:19:58.040 --> 0:19:59.320 I guess if you're ripped off, you don't have to 0:19:59.359 --> 0:20:03.320 plang yourself, not necessarily my case. My case was more 0:20:03.480 --> 0:20:07.280 of a of a of a natural you know, personal impulse, 0:20:08.040 --> 0:20:13.440 no need, a personal desire to to to to to 0:20:13.640 --> 0:20:18.120 to give chance to the studies that I had done 0:20:18.160 --> 0:20:22.359 at the university. So like that, you go on the 0:20:22.480 --> 0:20:26.720 television show and you perform your song. What happens after that? 0:20:27.359 --> 0:20:32.280 After that I started to be you know, popular, and 0:20:32.640 --> 0:20:35.840 the record that came from that, So you made a 0:20:35.920 --> 0:20:39.000 deal with a record deal with a record company. I 0:20:40.000 --> 0:20:48.040 that big success was recorded. Other songs also were recorded, 0:20:48.600 --> 0:20:51.640 and I did my first album. You know, my first 0:20:51.760 --> 0:21:02.960 first album was what year? N fifty six? Noh, pardon 0:21:03.400 --> 0:21:07.600 nineteen sixty Yeah, I think it terms that makes sense 0:21:07.640 --> 0:21:11.080 in terms of switching from accordion to guitar. So you 0:21:11.200 --> 0:21:15.520 make your first album and it's successful immediately in assess, yeah, 0:21:15.880 --> 0:21:23.880 and some not not not huge success, but successful sufficiently 0:21:24.000 --> 0:21:28.359 to you know, to keep a career to to you know, 0:21:28.680 --> 0:21:34.000 why do you say, why do you think it was successful? Novelty? 0:21:34.480 --> 0:21:38.000 You know, the elements, the new elements that we brought 0:21:38.119 --> 0:21:41.520 in in that song. You know, the subject of this song, 0:21:41.960 --> 0:21:46.280 that the sounds that we provided with the guitars and 0:21:46.520 --> 0:21:50.760 and and with with with the the arrangements, you know, 0:21:51.280 --> 0:21:55.080 and also the singing was a different way of singing it, 0:21:55.640 --> 0:22:02.719 you know, but it was it was a novelty. You know. Well, 0:22:02.800 --> 0:22:05.680 that's very interesting because that's the whey it was in 0:22:05.720 --> 0:22:09.199 the old day, whereas everything sounds just like everything else today. 0:22:10.080 --> 0:22:13.760 Um so is that your personality? Are you always testing 0:22:13.880 --> 0:22:17.040 limits and trying to change things and not be like 0:22:17.160 --> 0:22:22.520 everybody else? To a certain yeah, to a certain extent, yes, 0:22:23.280 --> 0:22:27.280 I I was not. I had the feeling that you know, 0:22:28.280 --> 0:22:32.280 in this life, in this in this living time, we 0:22:32.440 --> 0:22:35.080 have to contribute as much as we can, you know, 0:22:35.240 --> 0:22:40.320 with with with things, with with provocations and with you know, uh, 0:22:41.119 --> 0:22:47.959 it's delationing different elements, you know, in in especially if 0:22:48.080 --> 0:22:51.639 if you talk about culture and about music, it's something 0:22:51.840 --> 0:22:58.120 very you know, moving all the time. So whenever one 0:22:58.720 --> 0:23:02.840 guy or one girl has that kind of feeling that, 0:23:03.080 --> 0:23:08.720 you know, contribution may be given, maybe possible from from 0:23:08.800 --> 0:23:12.000 their work, they go in for for it, and that 0:23:12.200 --> 0:23:16.400 was exactly what happened. I said, okay, Um, I sing 0:23:16.640 --> 0:23:19.760 a little differently, I play a little differently. I have 0:23:20.000 --> 0:23:24.320 some new ideas about you know, subjects for for for 0:23:24.720 --> 0:23:27.280 new songs and that kind of thing. And then I 0:23:27.520 --> 0:23:31.320 I I, I said, okay. And now at some point 0:23:31.520 --> 0:23:35.399 in this story they put you in jail. What year 0:23:35.480 --> 0:23:39.680 do they put you in jail? Then in nineteen sixty 0:23:40.240 --> 0:23:45.040 eight the system, the political Okay, before we get to 0:23:45.119 --> 0:23:48.240 sixty eight. What happens between sixty two and sixty eight 0:23:48.440 --> 0:23:52.240 just more and more success a more and more success, okay, 0:23:52.440 --> 0:23:56.240 and to the point that we we started a movement, 0:23:56.520 --> 0:24:02.480 me and Kitanolso and God cost Uh and some other artists. 0:24:02.680 --> 0:24:06.360 We start a movement that came to be called tropically 0:24:06.440 --> 0:24:13.600 a tropicalism, and that had, besides being musical, was also 0:24:14.040 --> 0:24:22.959 a cultural movement, UH enforcing the the the new possibilities 0:24:23.359 --> 0:24:29.280 of the new theater, of the new UH literature, you know, 0:24:29.520 --> 0:24:32.760 the new cinema and and and that kind of thing. 0:24:32.920 --> 0:24:37.840 So it was a huge movement and and of course 0:24:39.480 --> 0:24:48.240 it became something okay when the the detectorship took place, 0:24:49.040 --> 0:24:54.840 you know, the military guys, you know, seized power and 0:24:55.560 --> 0:24:59.840 installed the very very repressive system. So they went for 0:25:00.119 --> 0:25:04.040 everything that would not be that wouldn't be you know, 0:25:04.560 --> 0:25:07.320 so before but going back to specifically what you're saying, 0:25:07.960 --> 0:25:10.560 this was a very turbulent time around the world. There 0:25:10.600 --> 0:25:14.639 were student protests in France, we had English music, we 0:25:14.760 --> 0:25:17.879 had race riots in the United States. To what degree 0:25:17.960 --> 0:25:21.560 were you influenced by that? For the topically small book, 0:25:21.680 --> 0:25:26.280 of course, a lot a lot. Music was not just 0:25:26.680 --> 0:25:29.720 music the Beatles, I mean the importance of the Beatles, 0:25:29.840 --> 0:25:35.680 all the Stones or the Grateful Dad or whatever, you know, 0:25:36.160 --> 0:25:41.600 the Jeffersonette playing all those groups, you know, Bob Dealon 0:25:42.160 --> 0:25:47.399 and Jimmy Hendrix. I mean the influences of those artists 0:25:47.480 --> 0:25:50.879 who are not just musical. They had a lot to 0:25:50.960 --> 0:25:55.760 do with with new visions and you know, new ways 0:25:55.880 --> 0:26:00.760 of considering society and and and in costumes and you know, 0:26:01.520 --> 0:26:09.520 different ways of living and supporting in somehow supporting the 0:26:09.600 --> 0:26:15.160 revolutionary movements in all in all directions, in different directions, 0:26:15.600 --> 0:26:18.240 you know. And that, of course, it was very influential 0:26:18.560 --> 0:26:22.399 on on ourselves. I mean, despite the fact that we 0:26:22.560 --> 0:26:30.119 had a military regime to protest against here, but I 0:26:30.200 --> 0:26:33.360 mean the influence coming from outside. I mean the new 0:26:33.440 --> 0:26:38.320 spirit coming from from youth. You know, that's very well articulated. 0:26:38.359 --> 0:26:40.840 That's what people who didn't live through the era didn't know. 0:26:40.880 --> 0:26:42.480 If you wanted to know what was going on, you 0:26:42.600 --> 0:26:44.440 listen to the radio, you listen to the music. It 0:26:44.520 --> 0:26:49.359 told you everything about the culture. But to what degree 0:26:49.920 --> 0:26:53.879 were the Beatles, the Stones, Jefferson Airplane, Bob Dillon, to 0:26:53.960 --> 0:26:57.960 what degree were they successful in Brazil? Very success, very 0:26:57.960 --> 0:27:01.000 because successful? Yeah here? And did they ever come any 0:27:01.040 --> 0:27:08.959 of those acts to play live? They were that at 0:27:09.040 --> 0:27:12.760 that time they were not sort of still coming to 0:27:12.920 --> 0:27:17.600 perform in Brazil. Know that that that that that the 0:27:18.240 --> 0:27:22.680 Bridge and American groups started coming here is something that 0:27:22.840 --> 0:27:28.919 came later, came exactly after I was excited in London. 0:27:29.680 --> 0:27:32.320 In London, yes, I went to v to see many 0:27:32.560 --> 0:27:35.960 many counters concerts, and and I went to see I 0:27:36.080 --> 0:27:39.000 remember that they went to the lycee Um to see 0:27:39.960 --> 0:27:46.080 uh John Lennon and Yoko on or doing their performance, 0:27:46.280 --> 0:27:49.639 you know, for for for for Christmas in nine in 0:27:49.800 --> 0:27:53.959 nineteen seventy and I went to see Bob Dylan at 0:27:54.240 --> 0:27:59.600 the Isle of White. I went to see Jimmy Hendrix councils. 0:27:59.680 --> 0:28:01.920 I went just at the round House. I went to 0:28:01.960 --> 0:28:05.480 see different places in London. So that experience of being 0:28:06.119 --> 0:28:12.240 directly influenced by bye bye bye, by contact who let's 0:28:12.240 --> 0:28:15.320 go back artists, that came after the accident, let's go 0:28:15.480 --> 0:28:18.880 back the government arrest you? Yeah, what do you think? 0:28:19.640 --> 0:28:23.240 Mm hmmm what I What I thought? Then? What I think? 0:28:23.440 --> 0:28:28.680 What I thought? Then? Wow? Was I was? I was 0:28:28.840 --> 0:28:33.480 so mad, you know on a side, and and so 0:28:35.000 --> 0:28:39.440 so scared on the other side. I mean I had 0:28:39.800 --> 0:28:43.600 a mixed mixed of of of of being scared and 0:28:44.040 --> 0:28:49.080 being mad. So did you think your career was over? 0:28:49.520 --> 0:28:55.880 Do you think you might die? E? Whow? First they 0:28:55.960 --> 0:28:59.600 imprisoned us, No, they jailed us. Okay, before you did 0:28:59.680 --> 0:29:02.040 you know they were going to imprison you? I was 0:29:02.360 --> 0:29:07.240 expecting from the atmosphere, from the general atmosphere and the 0:29:07.360 --> 0:29:12.960 increasing of their you know, hardline process. You know, I 0:29:13.840 --> 0:29:17.240 had a feeling that some how things were going to 0:29:17.400 --> 0:29:20.760 be to be. Did you ever think of exiling yourself 0:29:20.840 --> 0:29:24.200 so you wouldn't get arrested? Not? Not then? Not yet. No. 0:29:24.480 --> 0:29:28.200 I was keeping my my work here. I was saying, Okay, 0:29:28.280 --> 0:29:34.440 let us see how the situation developed, and then then 0:29:34.520 --> 0:29:38.080 they came one day, they came to our place and said, okay, 0:29:38.560 --> 0:29:41.760 you're gonna and they take you to jail with what 0:29:41.920 --> 0:29:45.000 we say in America, the general population with all the 0:29:45.080 --> 0:29:53.920 other criminals. No, No, we were political cold prisoners. Yeah, 0:29:54.240 --> 0:30:01.600 political prison in in in in headquarters, in the me headquarters. 0:30:01.920 --> 0:30:06.760 Really the government was a military government. So you're there. 0:30:06.920 --> 0:30:10.800