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Speaker 1: Welcome to stuff you should know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. This is Josh, and

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Speaker 2: there's Chuck and Jerry's here too, And we are gonna

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Speaker 2: go back to Canada because we had such a nice

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Speaker 2: time there in June and July that Yeah, we're gonna

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Speaker 2: do it all Canadian episode.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 1: We did six shows across Canada. It was our pleasure

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Speaker 1: to be there as their guests. Yes, and all across Canada.

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Speaker 1: I feel like during Q and A, people would ask

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Speaker 1: us why we haven't or would we and maybe why

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Speaker 1: we haven't. That's like the rudest a Canadian could ever get.

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Speaker 1: It's like very sheepishly to say, why haven't you guys

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Speaker 1: covered Terry Fox yet?

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's specifically. There are two people worth calling out.

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Speaker 2: The first is William the First. He was the birthday

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Speaker 2: boy at our Montreal show. We called them William the

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Speaker 2: First because there were a few other Williams who asked

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Speaker 2: questions asked after him. But I saw he and his

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Speaker 2: mom he asked us to do Terry Fox. And then

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Speaker 2: the next day I ran into him and his mom

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Speaker 2: at the train station and they elaborated further on how

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Speaker 2: great Terry Fox would be for an idea for an episode.

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Speaker 2: And then the other guy, Chris, who met us at

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Speaker 2: the airport in Winnipeg, they also suggested it too, So

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Speaker 2: Canada you can thank William the first and Chris.

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Speaker 3: That's right. Before we get started.

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Speaker 1: We do want to mention though, that we are going

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Speaker 1: on a cruise, a stuff cruise.

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Speaker 2: Right, yes, stuff at sea and Chuck, it's not even

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Speaker 2: a cruise, buddy, it's so high falutin.

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Speaker 1: It's a voyage, that's right. It is a voyage. And

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Speaker 1: we are departing from New York City from Brooklyn actually

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Speaker 1: on October second, sailing to Bermuda and then back to

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Speaker 1: New York. We have since learned that our live show

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Speaker 1: will be on day two, yes, of the voyage, at

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Speaker 1: four pm, and we're still getting confirmation on exactly how

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Speaker 1: you sign up for that specific thing, but just you know,

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Speaker 1: a lot of people have signed up. The boat is

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Speaker 1: filling up, and if you want to come out and

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Speaker 1: go on a sea voyage with us and our other

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Speaker 1: stuff colleagues, there's lots of fun, fun stuff, planned stuff,

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Speaker 1: stuff stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're just gonna be hanging out on the boat

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Speaker 2: with everybody too, so it will be a good time.

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Speaker 2: And that show, like you said, it's early in the afternoon,

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Speaker 2: so our hope is that you can all be in

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Speaker 2: bed by six point thirty.

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Speaker 3: That's right. We don't want to mess up anyone's dinner plans,

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Speaker 3: you know. Yep.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, you just search stuff at sea on Virgin

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Speaker 2: voyages and you will find everything you need. And uh yeah,

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Speaker 2: so we'll see you guys in October coming up, Chuck,

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Speaker 2: that's like a month or so.

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Speaker 3: I know, it's really snuck up on me.

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Speaker 2: Same here, it pounds too.

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Speaker 3: That's right. And now not to Terry Fox.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think a lot of I should say,

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Speaker 2: a lot of the world can be forgiven for not

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Speaker 2: having heard of Terry Fox. I actually feel kind of

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Speaker 2: like a shmo for having never ever heard of him

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Speaker 2: or what he did. Oh really, yeah, had you when

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Speaker 2: we were touring Canada?

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Speaker 1: And you know, I uh not, because I'm just you know,

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Speaker 1: some sabant that knew about all of Canadian history as

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Speaker 1: a child. Sure, but I was a youngster who had

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Speaker 1: HBO and I watched the Terry Fox movie, the nineteen

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Speaker 2: Robert Duval seems old to play Terry Fox, right.

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Speaker 3: He didn't play Terry Fox. But yeah, I saw that.

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Speaker 3: I saw that movie.

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Speaker 1: You know, it was on HBO, And I saw every

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Speaker 3: H So that's how I know about the Terry Fox story.

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Speaker 3: It was from that.

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Speaker 2: Film, Okay. Yeah, And that was definitely like when he

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Speaker 3: Chuck, that's right, Uh, maybe we should say what he did.

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Speaker 1: Terry Fox was a very brave, inspiring person, like like

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Speaker 1: Because he had cancer. He lost a leg to cancer

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Speaker 1: and planned the Marathon of Hope where he was to

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Speaker 1: probably all shit we should reveal for now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, let's let's go back to the beginning. We're

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Speaker 2: going to go back to Winnipeg where we were. That

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Speaker 2: was our last show in Canada. That was great. And

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Speaker 2: on July twentieth, nineteen fifty eight, if you had gone

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Speaker 2: a baby named Terry. Terry I think he was Terrence

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Speaker 2: Stanley Fox is what he was born. And very quickly

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Speaker 2: Terry said, this is it's way too cold in Winnipeg.

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Speaker 2: And Betty and Rawley said, let's do that. So the

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Speaker 3: Did you are you sure it wasn't a home birth?

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Speaker 2: By the way, my goodness, that didn't even occur to me.

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Speaker 1: I get to see that being like the first correction.

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Speaker 1: It's like, guys, they weren't in the hospital.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely no. Like basically, if I have any chance of

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Speaker 1: So when Terry was a kid, he was really into

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Speaker 1: So you know, there are plenty of stories from his

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Speaker 2: I mean. So that's just one of numerous stories about

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Speaker 2: so Terry was like, I'll just do both.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And he said does that mean a run across Canada?

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Speaker 1: And they said no, that's just what you call the

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Speaker 2: And he goes, yeah, run across Canada exactly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I even remember that, and I kind of

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Speaker 2: Do you remember the one it was an after school special?

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Speaker 3: Was on HBO. The Home Box Office, Sure, man, we

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Speaker 2: Did you ever see? There's a video of the HBO,

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Speaker 3: It's great.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, If we're not getting HBO money by the

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Speaker 2: I also want to say to our new listeners who

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Speaker 2: much par for the course for every episode we've ever done,

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Speaker 2: and we're coming up on eighteen hundred of them.

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Speaker 1: That's right, eighteen hundred times we've gotten sidetracked, probably times

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Speaker 2: Okay, Chuck, so dialing it back a minute. The night

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Speaker 2: Exactly, you always say it better than me.

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Speaker 1: You know, prosthetics have come a really really long way

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because he did. He lacked the muscles like he

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Speaker 2: Yes, they also donated the grass gas or ass sticker

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Speaker 3: I couldn't. I didn't put it on my car.

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Speaker 1: Airline said all right, we'll fly everyone out to Newfoundland.

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Speaker 1: Where are you going to start this thing? And you know, godspeed?

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Speaker 1: you know, he went out and did what we asked

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Speaker 1: you to do, so we're gonna get behind you in

442
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Speaker 1: the Marathon of Hope forty six hundred mile how many

443
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Speaker 1: kilometers is.

444
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Speaker 2: At something like seventy four hundred kilometers I.

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Speaker 1: Think, all right, starting out in Saint John's, Newfoundland, all

446
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Speaker 1: the way to Vancouver, his home, and they were going

447
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Speaker 1: to begin, like I said, April nineteen eighty. So, you know,

448
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Speaker 1: we talked about the physical training that happened. There was

449
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Speaker 1: also the mental game because obviously to undertake something like this,

450
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Speaker 1: it requires you know, the head, the heart, the physicality

451
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Speaker 1: to do it all. And so he realized early on, like,

452
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Speaker 1: I can't think of this as a seventy four hundred

453
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Speaker 1: kilometer run. I need to think of it as like

454
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Speaker 1: one day at a time, and then within that day

455
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Speaker 1: to break it down, like maybe I can run the

456
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Speaker 1: next mile, and then once I've finished that mile, I

457
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Speaker 1: can get another mile. And apparently on days that were

458
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Speaker 1: really really tough on him, he'd say, I just need

459
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Speaker 1: to run to that next stop sign or to that

460
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Speaker 1: next corner. He would count telephone polls and do math

461
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Speaker 1: problems in his head to distract from just the literal

462
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Speaker 1: physical pain that he was going through.

463
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Speaker 2: Yeah, which is probably the most difficult thing you can

464
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Speaker 2: do as a runner. A long distance runner math so

465
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Speaker 2: much so. I remember, probably ten years ago, there was

466
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Speaker 2: an article that profiled the woman who had I believe

467
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Speaker 2: it's retrograde amnesia, where you like just reset like every

468
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Speaker 2: couple of minutes or every few seconds, depending on how

469
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Speaker 2: your amnesia is. Yeah, and she was she was protested

470
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Speaker 2: by other runners, like professional runners, as having an unfair advantage.

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Speaker 3: Oh interesting, because they're.

472
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Speaker 2: Like that whole like h the as Iron Maiden put it,

473
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Speaker 2: the loneliness of a long distance runner never built up

474
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Speaker 2: for her. So they were like, that's not fair. But

475
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Speaker 2: that just goes to show you how awful that the

476
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Speaker 2: mental part of running is so much more than the

477
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Speaker 2: physical part. That they were like, this is this is

478
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Speaker 2: not fair.

479
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Speaker 3: And I guess awful competitive li long distance runners are right,

480
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 3: like what are you kidding me?

481
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're like, have you never heard of dick troum

482
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 2: and accessibility?

483
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Speaker 3: Wow, that's that's nuts. I can't believe they did that.

484
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Speaker 3: It's not fair. She can't remember how awful it's been

485
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Speaker 3: for that past hour.

486
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Speaker 2: That's pretty much the message. Sure, wow, all right.

487
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Speaker 3: Obviously I'm kidding about long distance runners. They're great people.

488
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Speaker 1: Sure, So he was getting dizzy spells, he would get

489
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Speaker 1: double vision. He figured, like, it's just exhaustion. Obviously, he

490
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Speaker 1: had to get a certificate of health from a cardiologist

491
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Speaker 1: from the Canadian Cancer Society to even undertake this. And

492
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Speaker 1: when he did this, a doctor diagnosed him with an

493
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Speaker 1: enlarge heart, which is not the most uncommon thing for

494
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Speaker 1: like an athlete like this. But the doctor was like, hey, listen,

495
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 1: if you get out there and you're short of breath

496
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Speaker 1: and you're dizzy, like you've got to stop running. And

497
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,159
Speaker 1: he just kept terry, kept quiet about the fact that like, yeah, buddy,

498
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Speaker 1: that's already happy and I'm pushing through.

499
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 2: Right, he said to himself quietly, nuts to that exactly.

500
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Speaker 2: So he's gonna start running across the entirety of Canada

501
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Speaker 2: with an enlarged heart on a prosthetic leg in nineteen

502
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Speaker 2: eighty and I feel like that's a great place for

503
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Speaker 2: a break. And when we come back, we're going to

504
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Speaker 2: kick off the Marathon of Hope. Chuck.

505
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Speaker 3: All right, we'll be right back. All right, here we are.

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Speaker 1: It's April twelfth, nineteen eighty. I have just turned nine

507
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Speaker 1: years old. I don't know about Terry Fox yet because

508
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 1: the movie hasn't been made.

509
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Speaker 2: I'm coming up on four.

510
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 3: See that's why you didn't know. You didn't know about

511
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:58,640
Speaker 3: Robert Daball and HBO when you were four.

512
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 2: Oh, I knew all about Robert Duvall.

513
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 1: Big a pocketlyps now fantoms for sure. So Terry Fox

514
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 1: begins his Marathon of hope. He started off by dipping

515
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 1: his prosthetic leg into the Atlantic Ocean on the coast

516
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 1: of Newfoundland, and his goal was, all right, this will

517
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 1: be easy. I'll just go out and run about a

518
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:28,199
Speaker 1: marathon a day until I reach Vancouver, and maybe I

519
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:32,880
Speaker 1: can raise a million dollars by doing this. So lofty goals,

520
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,679
Speaker 1: you know, to raise a million bucks. It sounds kind

521
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,360
Speaker 1: of quaint now, but that you know, it's a lot

522
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: of money back then. I mean it's a lot of

523
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 1: money now obviously, but if you're trying to like raise

524
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 1: money for cancer research today, somebody would obviously shoot way higher.

525
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 1: But that was a ton of money back then to raise,

526
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:52,199
Speaker 1: and he it was quite at the beginning, because you know,

527
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,880
Speaker 1: no one knew about Terry Fox at the time. So

528
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Speaker 1: he starts out running and there's like, you know, a

529
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Speaker 1: couple of photographers there from the local paper and like

530
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 1: six or eight people maybe clapping for him, and that's

531
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Speaker 1: how it all started.

532
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Speaker 2: It did, and he got frustrated really quickly because he

533
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 2: had the full support and an encouragement of the Canadian

534
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 2: Cancer Society, but that didn't translate into actual action on

535
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 2: their part. Like for this thing to actually work, people

536
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 2: had to know in towns ahead of right schedule, Yeah,

537
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,199
Speaker 2: so that you had volunteers who were coordinating stuff like

538
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 2: getting the word out to the press, like you needed

539
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 2: ccs like spokespeople talking to local newspapers and TV stations,

540
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 2: like you had to let people know so that they

541
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 2: could show up and see him, be moved by what

542
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 2: he was doing and then donate. Like that's just how

543
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 2: it had to go, or else he was just doing

544
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 2: this for almost nothing, and that's how it went for

545
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 2: like the first month. He would get very frustrated. When

546
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 2: he'd run through a town, sometimes rather large town, they'd

547
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 2: be like, who are you. We haven't heard anything about this,

548
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 2: And I think in the first month. The whole month,

549
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 2: all he'd raised was twenty five thousand dollars. And so

550
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 2: because of this, like he was getting frustrated, not just

551
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 2: with the cancer Society, but just frustrated in general. I mean, like,

552
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 2: I can't imagine how tired I would be after one

553
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 2: marathon rather than a month of daily marathons essentially, And

554
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 2: his friend Doug Alward had joined him to drive the

555
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 2: van basically slowly with him, and they were living together

556
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Speaker 2: in the van. So things were getting a touch tense

557
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 2: very early on.

558
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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, I definitely remember this from the movie

559
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 1: that they were They argued a lot and they thought it,

560
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: why is that so funny?

561
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Speaker 2: I just I don't know. I just imagined Robert Duval

562
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 2: driving the van and turn around saying, pipe down back there.

563
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: No, no, he comes along later, Okay. So yeah, they

564
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: were at each other's throats a lot. You know, Terry was,

565
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: like you said, a stubborn guy. Apparently he had a

566
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Speaker 1: bit of a temper, and would you know, he and

567
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Speaker 1: Doug would get in fights. It was a lot to undertake,

568
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 1: Like the pressure of this guy was under to bite

569
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: off something this big and put himself out there like that. Obviously,

570
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 1: there was a lot of stress involved, so Terry's brother

571
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 1: Daryl joins them in New Brunswick to just sort of

572
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: add like a third piece to that to help defuse

573
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Speaker 1: the tension. I guess a little bit. You mentioned that,

574
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Speaker 1: you know, he wasn't getting a lot of attention at first,

575
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Speaker 1: apparently in Quebec. And this was, by the way, not

576
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Speaker 1: our experience there. We loved Montreal and we found the

577
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 1: people there to be wonderful. But apparently he didn't get

578
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Speaker 1: any publicity coming into town, didn't raise any money at

579
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Speaker 1: all in Quebec when he was running through and like

580
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: angered a lot of drivers on the road. Apparently they

581
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Speaker 1: tried to run him off the road. People were honking

582
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Speaker 1: at him. He tried running on the highway because it

583
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: had like a shoulder to run on, but the police

584
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: there like kicked him off the highway. So he didn't

585
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 1: get a warm reception in Quebec at first, right.

586
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 2: And also didn't raise very much money throughout the whole province.

587
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 2: And I have to say again I agree with you,

588
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 2: the people of Montreal were amazing. I had two quebec

589
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 2: Qua taxi drivers, one in Vancouver, one in Toronto, and

590
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 2: both of them drove like total maniacs. I have to

591
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 2: at least say that they were great guys talking to him,

592
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 2: having fun, but they were maniacs. As one of them

593
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 2: actually turned around at one point where he's shooting down

594
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Speaker 2: at right turn only lane to cut in in front

595
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Speaker 2: of a bunch of traffic going quite fast, and he

596
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 2: turns around and he's like, how do you like my driving?

597
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 3: Wow?

598
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Speaker 1: All right, so maybe this tracks with his experience with

599
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: the drivers there. Terry Fox's yes, okay, all right. So

600
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Speaker 1: had it not been for the Toronto Star newspaper and

601
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Speaker 1: a reporter named Leslie Scribner, Terry Fox may not have

602
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 1: garnered such widespread acclaim because she was drawn to Terry's

603
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: story and hats off to the Toronto Star because they

604
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 1: really really got behind him such that they assigned her

605
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 1: to write a weekly column called Running with Terry, where

606
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: she went on the road with them, basically like reporting

607
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: on everything that's going on. And by the time they

608
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: get to Toronto, all of a sudden, he's running from

609
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: you know, Quebec. His spirits are down, no one really

610
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: even knows what he's doing, and he comes into Toronto

611
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: like almost like a national hero overnight.

612
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much. I read an article, I think from

613
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Speaker 2: the Toronto Star where they quoted they said a grandmother

614
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Speaker 2: age attendee. Her name was Edith Cathy. She gave a

615
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 2: quote to the paper where she said that she thought

616
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Speaker 2: she was in love for the first time. It's been

617
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 2: a long time since anyone has given me feelings, real feelings.

618
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 2: He just seemed to fill your life with something that

619
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 2: was missing. And like, that's kind of how he was

620
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 2: starting to inspire people. He was making people like feel

621
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 2: and it very quickly became the whole country and then

622
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 2: eventually spilled out of the borders of Canada into the world.

623
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Speaker 2: While he was doing this, he finally did what he

624
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 2: had set out to do. Like he had finally gotten

625
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 2: to the hearts of Canada and Canadians, and now it

626
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 2: was time for them to be like, we want to

627
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 2: support you. Here's some money for cancer research.

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Speaker 3: Yeah for sure.

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Speaker 1: And you know, he was a young, handsome guy and

630
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: so that certainly didn't hurt to capture the hearts of Canadians.

631
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Speaker 2: And he had a cool name, yeah.

632
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 3: Terry Fox. Great name.

633
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

634
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Speaker 1: When he got to Toronto, they asked him to do

635
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: the kickoff of a football game there. Apparently when he

636
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: came on to the field. As the story goes, the

637
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 1: stadium announcer says, ladies and gentlemen, and like the rest

638
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: of it is drowned out because people are just going crazy.

639
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: He met Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau, he met Bobby Orr,

640
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: the great hockey player, and Darryl Settler, another great hockey player,

641
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: apparently his idol. They gave him an NHL All Star jersey.

642
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 1: So money starts coming in, celebrity starts happening, and he

643
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 1: realized that, like, you know, this is exactly what he

644
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: wanted to help raise awareness and money, but it took

645
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 1: a toll on him, and that now every time he

646
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 1: goes to everyone wants to do an interview with him,

647
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 1: and everyone wants him to come to an inspirational speaking engagement.

648
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,959
Speaker 1: So you know, he's running the equivalent of like close

649
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 1: to a marathon a day, so he's physically wrecked. He

650
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 1: has tendonitis in his ankle, he has a dry cough

651
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 1: that wouldn't go away, and he is all of a

652
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 1: sudden like has to deal like constantly with being interviewed

653
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 1: as a national hero, which was awesome but like really depleting.

654
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 2: Not only that, like there were plenty of towns that

655
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 2: wanted to help him with fundraising events. But we need

656
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 2: you to come give a speech so the Chamber of

657
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Speaker 2: Commerce can have their picture taken with you for the

658
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,399
Speaker 2: local paper, like that kind of stuff. Not just we're

659
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 2: going to support, we want something from you in return.

660
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 2: And so to get that money, he would have to

661
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:09,800
Speaker 2: go do that stuff, and that's a you basically can't.

662
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 2: You can't run a marathon every day and then spend

663
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 2: the evening at like fundraising events. One fundraising event with

664
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 2: zero exercise in a day would wipe me out right.

665
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 2: Imagine doing a handful of him. And after you ran

666
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 2: a marathon that day, you also ran a marathon the

667
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 2: day before and the day before that, et cetera.

668
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.

669
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 1: All of the press wasn't kind too, which really really stinks.

670
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: There were some columnists who was like, you know, you're

671
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 1: putting your life at risk, like kind of degrading him

672
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: for that, which is something I don't understand. He you know,

673
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 1: they were like little offhand kind of like quotes they

674
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: would get from his friend Doug and from his brother

675
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 1: about like Terry snapping at them or for something. So

676
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 1: sometimes they would paint him as like a tyrant or

677
00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 1: having like a really bad temper, which apparently had a

678
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 1: bit of a temper, but like that's it's not the

679
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 1: lead of the story here newspapers, So it's that's really disappointing.

680
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's also one of those things like put

681
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 2: yourself in his position, like would you would you would

682
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 2: your patience be thin? You know? So he was actually

683
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 2: like I think actually after that newspaper article accused him

684
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 2: of cheating, he called the newspapers like, you better print

685
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 2: a retraction, and they did. But I feel like that

686
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 2: kind of like changed his perspective on things after that,

687
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 2: and it really kind of brought him down, and he

688
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 2: was I don't it might be overstating it to say

689
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 2: like he was on the verge of giving up, but

690
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 2: he really kind of his spirits had been had taken

691
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 2: a beating from that experience. And then along comes this

692
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 2: little kid inspiration in a ten year old package, a

693
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 2: boy named Greg Scott who has bone cancer himself and

694
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 2: as a matter of fact, his leg was amputated as well,

695
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 2: and he idolizes Terry Fox. He had been following him

696
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 2: basically ever since the Toronto Star sort of reporting on

697
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 2: him and he was hoping he could accompany Terry on

698
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 2: some of the run.

699
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: Right on his bicycle, which is just amazing. So all

700
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you've got this one kid with a

701
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,320
Speaker 1: prosthetic leg, a ten year old riding his bike. You

702
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 1: got Terry Fox, you know, literally running a marathon a day. So,

703
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: like the press coverage on this is just being amped

704
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 1: up even more and it really obviously inspired Terry, like

705
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:33,320
Speaker 1: you're saying to keep going. At about thirty three hundred

706
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 1: miles into his run, Terry started, you know, he had

707
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 1: a persistent cough, but he started feeling worse and he

708
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: was like, I might have the flu or something, but

709
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: he was like, I got to push through. He never

710
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 1: took a day off in his entire run, we should mention.

711
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: So he runs twenty miles that day. Anyway, the next

712
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: day he runs twenty three and gets to thunder Bay, Ontario,

713
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: and is like the pain his just is getting worse

714
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: and worse, and it spreads to his neck and he's like,

715
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 1: maybe him having a heart attack, and I'm going to

716
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 1: die out here, So I got to.

717
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 3: Go to the hospital.

718
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 1: He goes to the hospital and they said, you have

719
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: a partially collapsed lung. We got to do some X

720
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 1: rays and investigate what's going on. And Terry has a

721
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 1: feeling like, I think my cancer has spread, and very

722
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 1: sadly he was right.

723
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 2: He was. After a couple of days in the hospital,

724
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 2: they came back to him and they said, your cancer's metastasized.

725
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,839
Speaker 2: Your bone cancer is now growing in your lungs. And

726
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 2: it turned out that he had a golf ball sized

727
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 2: tumor in one lung and a fist sized tumor in

728
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 2: the other lung. Don't forget his large heart that he

729
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 2: started out with and again running on a prosthetic leg

730
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 2: that from circa nineteen eighty And this was, I mean again,

731
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 2: like just to have that life shattering news twice, and

732
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 2: not only that, He's like, I can't this is it.

733
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,359
Speaker 2: I can't run anymore. Now I have to stop and

734
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 2: treat this cancer. So he called off the run. Very sadly,

735
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 2: he said that I'm going to have to go do

736
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 2: this at least for now, but I'm going to try

737
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 2: to continue after I beat this cancer. And you know,

738
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 2: you guys hang in there with me. And just the

739
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 2: devastation from having to stop, and he had gone well

740
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 2: over the halfway point which I found perplexing because Ontario

741
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 2: is not even the middle province. I think Manitoba is.

742
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 2: So I was like, he made it to thunder Bay, Ontario,

743
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:33,280
Speaker 2: but he made it all this way. He had hugged

744
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 2: essentially the Canadian American border, and that had a lot

745
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 2: of ups and downs and ups and downs. After thunder Bay,

746
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 2: it was basically a straight line out to Vancouver. So

747
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 2: when he stopped, and that had to make it all

748
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 2: the more frustrating. When he stopped, he was like, I

749
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 2: have done the hardest part. The rest of it is

750
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 2: like cake. But he knew that he had to quit.

751
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 3: He did, yeah, very sadly.

752
00:39:57,840 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 1: It was one hundred and forty three days into the run.

753
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 1: He averaged twenty three point three miles a day, which

754
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 1: is just incredible, raised two million dollars.

755
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 3: Which is double his goal.

756
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 1: But he would end up sort of inadvertently raising a

757
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 1: lot more money because in September of nineteen eighty there

758
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 1: was a telethon on TV obviously, and forty eight hours

759
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 1: there were you know, Elton, John, John Denver, the great

760
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 1: Gordon Lightfoot of course, and Anne Murray, great Canadians, Glenn Campbell,

761
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 1: all these musicians got together and performed at a telethon.

762
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,240
Speaker 1: It was a five hour live event, raised ten million

763
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: dollars to add to his two million that he raised,

764
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 1: and so I mean that was twelve million dollars just

765
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty alone.

766
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:51,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then I think five months after that Marathon

767
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:55,720
Speaker 2: of Hope or Telethon of Hope, he achieved a follow

768
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:57,720
Speaker 2: up goal that he had, which was raising a dollar

769
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:01,760
Speaker 2: for every Canadian citizen, which came to twenty four point

770
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:06,800
Speaker 2: one seven million dollars Canadian dollars in nineteen eighty money,

771
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 2: which from the calculations I made, is equal to just

772
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 2: over ninety three million Canadian dollars today.

773
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 3: Wow.

774
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and just what he started in April and this

775
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 2: was September that he managed to do that, by that's tough.

776
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: So after months of treatment, he got pneumonia in June

777
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: and nineteen eighty one, went into a coma and passed

778
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 1: away very sadly on June twenty eighth at the age

779
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:38,919
Speaker 1: of twenty two years old.

780
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 2: So as you can imagine, like the Canadian people and

781
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 2: everyone following this took this quite hard, and he was

782
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 2: immediately memorialized even while he was alive. He was memorialized

783
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 2: he was the youngest person to receive the Companion of

784
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 2: the Order of Canada, Canada's highest civilian honor, the Order

785
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 2: of the Dogwood, which is Columbia's version of the camp

786
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 2: Companion of the Order of Canada. He was inducted into

787
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 2: the Sports Hall of Fame in Canada, all this while

788
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 2: he was alive and as the youngest person, and then

789
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 2: after he died, it just mushroomed from there essentially.

790
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:16,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.

791
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: He's been on a couple of postage stamps in Canada.

792
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 1: This is I remember this happening. Actually at the twenty

793
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 1: ten Olympic Games in Vancouver, his mom Betty, served as

794
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: one of the eight flag bearers for the Olympic flag

795
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: opening ceremonies.

796
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 3: Very incredible moment.

797
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: And you know, he's, like I said, everywhere we went

798
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 1: in Canada and Q and A, someone asked us to

799
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 1: do a story on Terry Fox. So he's still very

800
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 1: much taught about in schools there. His legacy today is

801
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:53,760
Speaker 1: probably the Terry Fox Run organized by the Terry Fox Foundation.

802
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 1: They separated from the Canadian Cancer Society in nineteen eighty eight,

803
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: but every year the second Sunday after Labor Day, which

804
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 1: is coming up, kids, adults, people all across Canada go

805
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 1: for a run to raise money for cancer research and

806
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: to honor Terry.

807
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, just coincidentally, we had no idea, but this episode's

808
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 2: going to come out a couple of weeks before the

809
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:20,240
Speaker 2: Terry Fox Run, so you can go try it yourself.

810
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 2: It's September twentieth this year, and yeah, just go look

811
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 2: up the Terry Fox Run and you can find a

812
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 2: place near you that you can join a team and

813
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 2: do some fundraising and all that good stuff. And it

814
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 2: doesn't matter how far you run or how long, or

815
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 2: if you've ran before, it doesn't matter. It's all just

816
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 2: about raising money for cancer research and of course honoring

817
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 2: Terry Fox for what he did. Again, over the course

818
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 2: of about a year, this kid became one of the

819
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 2: greatest Canadians of all time, one of the greatest people

820
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 2: of all time.

821
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. And you don't have to be just

822
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:55,800
Speaker 1: in Canada to take part in that. The Terry Fox

823
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 1: Run happens all over North America and South America. It

824
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: happens in country. He's in Europe, Syria, Thailand, New Zealand.

825
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 1: It's all over the place. And as of this year,

826
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 1: that foundation has reached its one billion dollar raise for

827
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 1: cancer research.

828
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,240
Speaker 3: That's awesome, man, incredible.

829
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 2: So that's Terry Fox. Heads off Terry Fox. There's all

830
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 2: sorts of footage of him doing his thing on YouTube

831
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 2: and all sorts of stories, and there's at least a

832
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,720
Speaker 2: couple TV movies, one of which ran frequently on HBO

833
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 2: back in the Yeah. So go check out more on

834
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 2: Terry Fox and be inspired. And in the meantime, I

835
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 2: think it's time for listener mate.

836
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,760
Speaker 1: We got an email from a guy named Adam about

837
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,800
Speaker 1: remember when I was saying the space ghettos for space

838
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 1: spice girls. Yeah, and people are writing in now with

839
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: more of these fun things, which is, if you say

840
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 1: this and like this accent, it sounds like this in

841
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 1: another accent.

842
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 2: Let's hear it.

843
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: Hey, guys, your tangent of saying words it sound like

844
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 1: other words really made me smile as my friends and I.

845
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 3: Used to say these all the time.

846
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 1: I was delighted. I hadn't heard your example in the

847
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: episode before. But here are the ones that we said

848
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 1: most often. If you say beer can with a British accent,

849
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:16,760
Speaker 1: it sounds like bacon in Jamaica, So bier can.

850
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 2: Oh.

851
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess nice if you got to say it,

852
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: that wasn't great British accent.

853
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:21,879
Speaker 3: But I see what he's saying.

854
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 1: And then Adam says, saying, rise up lights in a

855
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 1: British accent sounds like razor Blades in Australian.

856
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 3: So hand me some of those. Hand me some of

857
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 3: those rise of lights.

858
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 2: Yeah that sounded exactly like that, didn't you think so

859
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 2: razor blades. I'm really intrigued by this. I feel like

860
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 2: we've just cracked into a whole world that I didn't

861
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 2: know existed.

862
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a thing. I can't believe you had never

863
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 3: heard of any of these.

864
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 2: No, I've led a very sheltered line.

865
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,439
Speaker 3: Yeah all right, Well the doors are open to you now.

866
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 2: My friend. I know the doors of perception have been

867
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 2: thrown open.

868
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:03,280
Speaker 3: And that is for Adam.

869
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: He says, enjoy listening to you guys in my commute,

870
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 1: especially the tangents and long running jokes.

871
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 3: Cheers from Adam.

872
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 2: Thanks Adam, that was great. I would love to hear

873
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,919
Speaker 2: some more of those two, so keep them coming, everybody. Yeah. Same,

874
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:17,720
Speaker 2: And if you want to share something about Terry Fox

875
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 2: or some other inspirational person, or you just want to

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