Speaker 1: A group of high school students.
Speaker 2: High school students.
Speaker 3: Elizabeth In high school students started a project to research
Speaker 3: a string of unsolved murders. Their research led to the
Speaker 3: identification of the killer.
Speaker 4: Investigators now have an answer to a thirty four year
Speaker 4: old question.
Speaker 5: Once you start getting a few tips, or a few leads,
Speaker 5: or few identifications, then the cold case isn't so cold anymore.
Speaker 5: There's a pretty good chance he's still alive. Everything that
Speaker 5: the students predicted through their profile turned out to be accurate.
Speaker 6: Redhead Killer profile mal Caucasian, five nine six, two hundred
Speaker 6: and seventy pounds, unstable home, absent father, and a domineering mother,
Speaker 6: right handed, a Q above one hundred, most likely heterosexual.
Speaker 5: There is no profile of this killer except for the
Speaker 5: ones the students created.
Speaker 7: Just because some of these women no longer have people
Speaker 7: to speak for them, it does not mean that they
Speaker 7: deserve to not be so anymore.
Speaker 8: What if this guy's still alive?
Speaker 9: Like, what if becomes after user?
Speaker 3: You're gonna kill me?
Speaker 10: Yeah?
Speaker 11: This is Murder one oh one, Season one, episode ten,
Speaker 11: The Final Exam. I'm Jeff Sheen, a television and podcast
Speaker 11: producer at KAT Studios with Stephanie Leidecker, Courtney Armstrong, and
Speaker 11: Andrew Arnault. In twenty twenty, I came across a story
Speaker 11: about a group of high school students who set out
Speaker 11: to investigate a series of unsolved murders in their community.
Speaker 11: It was an incredible story that here at KAT Studios
Speaker 11: we felt needed to be explored further.
Speaker 12: All right, to thank everybody for coming down, Thank you
Speaker 12: for being patient with us. My name is Alex Campbell
Speaker 12: and I'm a teacher elizabeth In High school. The reason
Speaker 12: we called you all here today is to provide some
Speaker 12: updates on the Bible Belt strangler case.
Speaker 11: On February sixth, twenty twenty three, mister Campbell, Riley and
Speaker 11: Marley met more than thirty members of the press, law enforcement,
Speaker 11: and local at Elizabethan County Chamber of Commerce to present
Speaker 11: the latest findings. It was a moment the club had
Speaker 11: been working toward for months. First, mister Campbell summarized the
Speaker 11: work they had done thus far.
Speaker 12: I was a teacher in twenty eighteen when my sociology
Speaker 12: class wanted to do as a project to see if
Speaker 12: there was any relationship between.
Speaker 5: These murders that happened.
Speaker 12: So in May of twenty eighteen, that class called a
Speaker 12: press conference to announce about the work they had been doing,
Speaker 12: and they believe that they had some information that did
Speaker 12: show that maybe six of these murders could be related
Speaker 12: back to one person, because for thirty years, nothing really
Speaker 12: happened with most of those cases.
Speaker 4: It was just completely cold from.
Speaker 12: About nineteen eighty five killed twenty eighteen. So there has
Speaker 12: been a lot of developments in the last few years,
Speaker 12: and there's a lot of things to catch you up on.
Speaker 12: And the students think they've found some more evidence they're
Speaker 12: going to share with you today.
Speaker 8: So I'm going to turn it over to them.
Speaker 11: You're so girls to tell your next Riley and Marley spoke.
Speaker 13: On September sixth, twenty eighteen, the TBI released of the
Speaker 13: Campbell County Jane Doe had been identified as Tina Marie
Speaker 13: McKinney Farmer of Indianapolis, and after speaking with family, new
Speaker 13: information reveals that she is at the epicenter.
Speaker 8: Of the Bible Bells strangler case. Not long after that, on.
Speaker 13: October first, twenty eighteen, case he announced Innows County Jane
Speaker 13: Doe as EBC Regina Black Pilgrim of North Carolina, but
Speaker 13: after further research, we determined that she is not a
Speaker 13: potential victim of the battle Bellas strangler case. And then lastly,
Speaker 13: on November twenty fifth, twenty eighteen, the TBI and New
Speaker 13: Hampshire authorities announced him the Green County Jane Doe is
Speaker 13: Elizabeth Wilmott of New Hampshire and she is involved.
Speaker 8: In the Bubble Bels strangler case.
Speaker 14: On December twentieth of twenty nineteen, the TBI announced that
Speaker 14: Tina Farmer's killer was identified as Jerry Johns because his
Speaker 14: DNA was matched with DNA.
Speaker 8: That was left at the crime scene. So John's had
Speaker 8: been in prison since nineteen eighty five.
Speaker 7: For charges relating to trying to kill a Tennessee redheaded woman,
Speaker 7: but he died in custody in twenty fifteen, so he
Speaker 7: did not live to see the conviction of this murder.
Speaker 8: Also, baby girl Jane Doe was identified as Tracy Sue
Speaker 8: Walker of Indiana. She was fifteen years old at the
Speaker 8: time her.
Speaker 7: Death, so we think that she could be included in
Speaker 7: the battle Belt strangling victims because of different evidence in
Speaker 7: the crime scene and.
Speaker 8: The m O and signature.
Speaker 11: They pointed to the extensive updates since the original assignment.
Speaker 7: This was our original list developed by the class of
Speaker 7: twenty eighteen of potential victims of the Battle Belt strangling,
Speaker 7: and you see there are a lot of Jane Doe's,
Speaker 7: a lot of unidentified victims. And then next this is
Speaker 7: our current list that we think could be tied back
Speaker 7: to the Bible Belt strangler. You can see there are
Speaker 7: a lot more identifications, a lot less Jane Doe's, which
Speaker 7: is something very encouraging for us that law enforcement is
Speaker 7: continuing to identify these victims, and I think that's in
Speaker 7: part to some of the research.
Speaker 8: In the press conference that was held in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 11: They also spoke about the work they've done since then.
Speaker 7: People were able to work with an FBI behavior analyst,
Speaker 7: and that was really cool getting to work.
Speaker 8: With a professional and someone that had done this for
Speaker 8: years and then kind of.
Speaker 7: Giving us the green light and telling us that our
Speaker 7: work was pretty substantial. So he also said he was
Speaker 7: one hundred percent convinced that the person who killed Tina
Speaker 7: Farmer is guilty of others based on his admission to
Speaker 7: being at the secondary crime scenes.
Speaker 8: The suspect would.
Speaker 7: Also fit the profile by exhibiting these classical serial killer
Speaker 7: behaviors such as knowing a lot about serial.
Speaker 8: Killers, even mentioning them by name.
Speaker 7: He studied criminal justice and serial killers in three different colleges.
Speaker 7: He felt he was smarter than the police and then
Speaker 7: might sing an incriminating statement like he didn't do it,
Speaker 7: but would offer how he would have done it, etc.
Speaker 7: And then our FBI behavior analyst said, he would be
Speaker 7: my number one suspect and the jury would convict him.
Speaker 8: Every single time.
Speaker 7: As well, we presented to a retired detective who had
Speaker 7: decades of experience and it also work on many homicides.
Speaker 7: And then after seeing the evidence, he was asked if
Speaker 7: he would give this to a district attorney to take
Speaker 7: to a grand jury, and his answer was, oh, yes,
Speaker 7: I would work with it.
Speaker 8: And then lastly, we presented to.
Speaker 7: A district attorney who had decades of experience as well
Speaker 7: in legal practices and as a former assistant district attorney.
Speaker 7: And then when he was shown the evidence, he was
Speaker 7: asked if he had ever taken a case to a
Speaker 7: grand jury with less evidence than what we had, and
Speaker 7: he said, oh yeah. When asked if he would take
Speaker 7: the case to a grand jury, he answered, this is solid.
Speaker 8: There is no question, Yes, definitely.
Speaker 13: David Davenport, retired to y'all special agent, a member of
Speaker 13: the Redhead Murders TA Sport said, because of the similarities
Speaker 13: in all the cases and how they were dumped along
Speaker 13: the side of the interstate, it.
Speaker 8: Was probably done by the same truck driver.
Speaker 13: The former assistant distri attorney that we've presented to believes
Speaker 13: that there's enough evidence that it is the same emment
Speaker 13: signature of the Tini former killer, and a retired from
Speaker 13: a Son detective believes there is enough information that it
Speaker 13: once again is the same MN signature of the Tini
Speaker 13: former killer.
Speaker 11: To the students, all signs pointed to John's being the killer.
Speaker 13: So all the other victim profound a long travel roads
Speaker 13: just like Tina Farmer. They all have the same characteristics
Speaker 13: such as being white, petite, in transient. All were killed
Speaker 13: from The person who killed Tina Farmer was not incarcerated,
Speaker 13: so while he was in prison, all the murders stopped.
Speaker 13: The same ligature was used on a surviving victim, the
Speaker 13: Chief and County Jane Doe and Tracy Sue Walker, and
Speaker 13: a ligature used on De Soto County Jane Doe was
Speaker 13: just minutes away from Tina Farmer's killers family member's house,
Speaker 13: which he visited several times per year if that was
Speaker 13: in qube So here's just.
Speaker 8: Another look at mckinni.
Speaker 10: Farmer's killer's MO and signature, so an extensive criminal record
Speaker 10: that dated back at the age of sixteen.
Speaker 14: He spent the better path of his younger life between
Speaker 14: nineteen sixty seven and nineteen seventy six incarcerated, with no
Speaker 14: murders matching them happening while he was incarcerated, and then
Speaker 14: in seven in nineteen seventy six he became a trucker,
Speaker 14: and then when the murders matching his MO and signature occurred,
Speaker 14: he would be out of jail.
Speaker 7: Until his arrest in nineteen eighty five. So whenever he
Speaker 7: was in jail, no murders. Whenever he was out of jail,
Speaker 7: while he started a period while he was out of jail,
Speaker 7: six murders and an attempted murder would take place with
Speaker 7: the same m in the same signature. The first murder
Speaker 7: matching this MO would take place in nineteen seventy eight,
Speaker 7: the year he begins as a long haul trucker. In
Speaker 7: nineteen eighty he would start his own trucking company under
Speaker 7: the Motor Carrier Vehicle Act, which lifted a lot of
Speaker 7: regulations on trucking, so truckers were able to be their
Speaker 7: own bosses pretty much, so.
Speaker 8: There was not a lot of supervision. They were able
Speaker 8: to kind of do their own thing.
Speaker 7: And then he would have to admit to law enforcement
Speaker 7: that he had been everywhere a victim was found because
Speaker 7: of his job.
Speaker 8: As a trucker, and then the murders that fit.
Speaker 7: The samemo and signature would stop after.
Speaker 8: He was arrested in March of nineteen eighty five.
Speaker 13: The next year, the match book which was found near
Speaker 13: Elizabeth Latt's body, and it was just a book of
Speaker 13: matches from the Skinny Rooster, which was an exotic dancer
Speaker 13: from in Houston, Texas. And know, if you know much
Speaker 13: about Houston, but it's pretty big, like ten thousand square
Speaker 13: miles big. However, the Skinny Rooster was located in an
Speaker 13: out of the way location in a small industrial part
Speaker 13: of the city, which was less than a two minute
Speaker 13: drive from where the suspect was staying. And the matchbook
Speaker 13: mysteriously was found a sixteen hour drive and we're one
Speaker 13: thousand miles away beside a dead body that matched the
Speaker 13: mo and signature of Tina Farmer's killer exactly.
Speaker 7: And what we hope this information will lead to and
Speaker 7: what we can get from this is for tips that
Speaker 7: can help identify further victims.
Speaker 11: The press was able to ask the girls questions.
Speaker 6: Y'all didn't even do this for a grade, you know,
Speaker 6: this is just for fun before we come in early,
Speaker 6: usually once a week in the mornings before school and
Speaker 6: talk about murder.
Speaker 8: What would I mean? Why why did you more bread
Speaker 8: in this route? Back up a five.
Speaker 13: Years, Like she said, we are very close in age
Speaker 13: with many of these victims, and it just kind of
Speaker 13: resonates brought back home for us because it could be
Speaker 13: as where it could be like she's a sister, it
Speaker 13: could be her so or our moms back in the day,
Speaker 13: and so it's just really hard to think that some
Speaker 13: of these people had to live with not knowing mm
Speaker 13: that and some of them had children and they could
Speaker 13: have just left their moms, left them rather than been murdered.
Speaker 13: So we just wanted to bring closure to all the
Speaker 13: people affected by all these murders.
Speaker 7: When you look at the evidence and you looked the
Speaker 7: ways women lived, you know, many of them were transient run.
Speaker 8: Aways, different things like that, but.
Speaker 7: That didn't make them any less human, and they didn't
Speaker 7: make them any lesser people.
Speaker 8: And the fact that someone to try to take advantage
Speaker 8: of that and did take advantage of that and thought.
Speaker 15: That these people would not be missed knowing I'm just
Speaker 15: getting to come look for them, I think that that's
Speaker 15: very selfish and that's a very evil person, and I
Speaker 15: think that that person needs to Obviously, suspect is gone
Speaker 15: passed away, so you can't pay her what he did.
Speaker 8: But these parents and these families and daughters, sisters, children,
Speaker 8: they all deserve justice and they all deserve to know that.
Speaker 8: You know, my mom didn't run away when I was
Speaker 8: little because she didn't want me. She was taken from me.
Speaker 7: And I think that that's something very important and that
Speaker 7: there are still families and it is still facing people.
Speaker 8: And also this can bring attention to future instances. You know,
Speaker 8: don't get the part with the men you don't know,
Speaker 8: And then if I think like that.
Speaker 7: Just can help make people more aware that you know,
Speaker 7: there are people out there who are you, and that's
Speaker 7: very important to be aware and to know that it's real.
Speaker 11: A local police officer commenting on their work.
Speaker 5: So I would say, I don't have any questions, but
Speaker 5: I'm very appreciative.
Speaker 8: I mean, you guys are very professional.
Speaker 5: I know you're still in my school, but I was
Speaker 5: very blown away.
Speaker 8: I guess it's rected. You all are very well put together.
Speaker 8: You know you're not You have your knowledge, you can
Speaker 8: answer questions off the top of your head.
Speaker 12: You look very professional and that if you're ready to
Speaker 12: give your PowerPoint presentation.
Speaker 8: If you all wanna be in law enforcement, we'll be
Speaker 8: happy to have you. But I will say, as a
Speaker 8: law enforcement officer, if you all came to me and.
Speaker 5: Said, hey, when we have this new information, I would
Speaker 5: be excited.
Speaker 8: I would be very happy that you off put that.
Speaker 5: Work in to say hey, this is what I have
Speaker 5: and you take the time to go look.
Speaker 8: So I definitely do would be very pursuasive of.
Speaker 11: The extra health and the extra knowledge, and for.
Speaker 12: You all to do what you all do as well
Speaker 12: to work together.
Speaker 7: I think the most important thing right now is getting
Speaker 7: all of the people involved on the same page, because,
Speaker 7: like mister Campbell said, we've been in contact with some
Speaker 7: different agencies and stuff out of state. Because I have no
Speaker 7: clue that this happened, and there's been new management, new
Speaker 7: people take over, so that don't even know about these cases,
Speaker 7: don't know what the files are, the didn't even know
Speaker 7: there was a.
Speaker 15: File, you know.
Speaker 7: And I think that it's very important that we get
Speaker 7: everybody on the same page and kind of present this
Speaker 7: information to everybody and just make sure that what's known
Speaker 7: is known.
Speaker 11: Let's stop here for a break. We'll be back in
Speaker 11: a moment. Murder one on one. After the press conference,
Speaker 11: mister Campbell sat down with Riley and Marley to reflect
Speaker 11: on their work.
Speaker 5: Had a couple of days to reflect. Yeah, and I
Speaker 5: guess the first question might be, how do you think
Speaker 5: he did?
Speaker 16: Like during the actual press conference, I did not feel
Speaker 16: super confident myself. I was nervous about how like sounded,
Speaker 16: the kind of verbage I was using. But then afterward
Speaker 16: here and like the response and how they thought we
Speaker 16: sounded very professional. I felt a lot more confident in
Speaker 16: myself and then felt pretty I felt pretty good about it.
Speaker 13: I agree with Riley. While doing it, I was a
Speaker 13: little bit nervous and didn't feel too good about it,
Speaker 13: But after hearing like the praise from everybody else, I
Speaker 13: felt a lot better. About everything.
Speaker 11: The girls discussed their motivations because I think.
Speaker 16: It's important to identify these killers and find justice for
Speaker 16: these women, regardless if we're necessarily right or not.
Speaker 13: Yeah, it's not just about like convicting generally on John's
Speaker 13: ball that it's just finding doses for the girls.
Speaker 11: Mister Campbell shared some frustrating news.
Speaker 5: I don't know if you saw it or not, but
Speaker 5: there was an article in one of the local newspapers, Yes,
Speaker 5: and they followed up with a representative from the TVI,
Speaker 5: and the quote was that there's no evidence connecting these
Speaker 5: crimes things.
Speaker 16: How do they know though, because they haven't. It's not
Speaker 16: like they went out of their way to see if
Speaker 16: there's any DNA evidence anything like that. I don't understand
Speaker 16: that I can sit there and say there's no evidence
Speaker 16: when they haven't even give it really much attention.
Speaker 13: They're so similar that it's insane, Like, I don't see
Speaker 13: how there couldn't at least be something like there has
Speaker 13: to be some evidence.
Speaker 16: Because anytime we've tried to talk to them or make
Speaker 16: contact with them to see if we could help a
Speaker 16: new way or give them information if there's any new information,
Speaker 16: they've kind of shot US down.
Speaker 11: It wasn't long before the Price picked up the story.
Speaker 17: New research from Tennessee high school students shows a single
Speaker 17: person could be responsible for a string of killings.
Speaker 18: New research from a pair of elizabeth In Heist school
Speaker 18: students suggests a single person was responsible. The students now
Speaker 18: believe is actually responsible for six murders and one attempted murder.
Speaker 18: In September, two students started looking into the case again,
Speaker 18: and those students presented their findings to the public.
Speaker 17: Today, two elizabeth And high school students are now sharing
Speaker 17: the result of their research into a string of cold
Speaker 17: case murders.
Speaker 9: Two elizabeth did In High school students believe a serial
Speaker 9: killer was on the loose in the South in the
Speaker 9: mid eighties.
Speaker 5: This week, two students, Marley Mathada and Riley Whitson joined
Speaker 5: with Campbell to present the culmination of five years of
Speaker 5: investigation into the Redhead murders.
Speaker 19: Marley Mathena and Riley Whitson explained to reporters and investigators
Speaker 19: what they found. The women were strangled with a patternes.
Speaker 19: They also identified more likely victims and ruled out others.
Speaker 9: Elizabeth In High school students, Riley Whitson, Marley Methana and
Speaker 9: teacher Alex Campbell say their research centers around the murder
Speaker 9: of Tina McKenny Farmer. They were able to find similarities
Speaker 9: in her killing with others around the same time period.
Speaker 9: They hoped to bring some closure to families.
Speaker 20: Back in twenty eighteen, the first group of Elizabethtan High
Speaker 20: School students, under the guidance of their teacher, developed a
Speaker 20: profile of a serial killer who could be responsible. In September,
Speaker 20: more students joined in. The students presented their findings to FBI,
Speaker 20: behavioral analysis and other criminal justice experts, who all agreed
Speaker 20: the suspect fit the profile of the other killings.
Speaker 9: Woodson and Mathena are both juniors at elizabeth In High School.
Speaker 9: They hope to continue working on this investigation in their
Speaker 9: senior year.
Speaker 11: It wasn't just the press that felt moved by their work.
Speaker 21: Man that was truly blown away. I mean, I knew,
Speaker 21: you know, we would talk about it a little bit,
Speaker 21: but not in depth that all the stuff they presented.
Speaker 11: Riley's dad, mister Whitson, who was sitting in the press conference,
Speaker 11: shared his thoughts on the assignment with mister Campbell.
Speaker 21: I was so proud of him. I thinking through information,
Speaker 21: getting on the internet, digging through stuff, digging through you know,
Speaker 21: forty year old documents, finding details, finding information. I think
Speaker 21: that's a skill that has helped her Mark. That will
Speaker 21: help her Mary in life going forward, in college especially,
Speaker 21: you know, to pour over have tons of information and
Speaker 21: what's important in this information. I think that's a that's
Speaker 21: something really big that'll help them going forward.
Speaker 11: Mister Whitson had a good question for mister Campbell.
Speaker 21: You're not getting paid extra, you know, stipping to do this, correct?
Speaker 5: And that's correct.
Speaker 21: Yeah, And I was telling the guy that, He's like,
Speaker 21: are you kidding me? I said, yeah, I said, I said,
Speaker 21: the girls go early before school. I said, mister Campbell
Speaker 21: comes early. It's they're not They're not doing this for
Speaker 21: a letter grade or a number or a dollar amount.
Speaker 21: They're just doing it because they want to do it.
Speaker 21: They're passionate. But most people are blown away by that
Speaker 21: because most teenagers, and let's be honest, most people that
Speaker 21: work don't do stuff unless they get compensated. That's just life.
Speaker 21: You know, people don't do that in the time. You
Speaker 21: all have poured into this, and you especially, you know,
Speaker 21: you have life, you have a wife, you've got kids,
Speaker 21: you've got a family. You got to like myself, I
Speaker 21: don't know if I can find the time that you've
Speaker 21: put into this extra as much as we have going on,
Speaker 21: and then on top of that to not get compensated.
Speaker 21: That's a I'm going to patch you on the back,
Speaker 21: really really largely for that. Well.
Speaker 5: I appreciate that.
Speaker 11: Carrie Schneider from the EXQ Institute, the company that originally
Speaker 11: helped back the project, in twenty eighteen discussed the everlasting
Speaker 11: mark a project like this leaves.
Speaker 10: I think one of the most fascinating and compelling pieces
Speaker 10: of this entire project is that it just kept going.
Speaker 8: We're years now into this.
Speaker 10: The original kids that were a part of this project
Speaker 10: are long gone, they're adults. It's not just a project, right,
Speaker 10: It's when you really actually have interest and curiosity in something,
Speaker 10: You're going to do it once the bell rings, You're
Speaker 10: going to do it once the school day ends, because
Speaker 10: you're really invested in it. So I think that's just
Speaker 10: a big, a big part of what learning can be.
Speaker 10: It can actually be something that exists outside the confines
Speaker 10: of time or classrooms or a bell schedule or any
Speaker 10: of that. And I think this is just one example
Speaker 10: of that being true.
Speaker 8: This class taught me more than general education.
Speaker 13: It was about family togetherness and most importantly, understanding the world.
Speaker 11: Students who are now adults reflect on the original project
Speaker 11: and the impact it has had on their lives.
Speaker 7: I learned the importance of advocating for those without a voice.
Speaker 15: I often find myself thinking about the woman behind the graves.
Speaker 2: They were somebody's lover, friend or mother. That's the part
Speaker 2: that really hurts me the most. Missing for years without
Speaker 2: a trace, and no one is even looking. What does
Speaker 2: that say about humanity?
Speaker 8: The best time to make a difference is the present.
Speaker 5: How about Heylanda, this is Alex.
Speaker 3: How are you hello? Oh yeah, wonderful.
Speaker 11: Let's stop here for another with Greig Murder one on one.
Speaker 11: While mister Campbell received lots of positive feedback from the
Speaker 11: press conference, there was one person whose opinion mattered more
Speaker 11: than anyone's. Jerry John surviving victim Linda.
Speaker 5: I guess you saw some of the news stories and stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I was impressed, very impressed. I couldn't believe
Speaker 3: that they were so mature and they talked so well.
Speaker 3: And I can't even talk on the phone TV. There's
Speaker 3: no way I could speak, so but they were just
Speaker 3: they did great, not even getting a grain for it,
Speaker 3: you know, and coming in early. It took a lot
Speaker 3: to get me to come in school early.
Speaker 5: It takes me a lot to get some kids just
Speaker 5: to come to school at all.
Speaker 11: For Linda, the press conference brought up painful memories of
Speaker 11: the night Jerry Johns tried to kill her.
Speaker 3: When I first saw Ten Farmer's picture, it reminded a
Speaker 3: photo of myself. I'd say Ten and I probably were
Speaker 3: the same height and wait, and had the same hair,
Speaker 3: you know, I mean hers were shorter than mine. But
Speaker 3: I'm I don't all those ones seem to have a
Speaker 3: lot a lot in common. Yeah, I mean, you know what,
Speaker 3: I think I've got it bad. And then I look
Speaker 3: or see all these people and all these tortured and
Speaker 3: you know, it just it was the longest ten minutes
Speaker 3: of my life. I mean, it seemed it seemed like forever.
Speaker 3: But then you know, it's so many have had it worse.
Speaker 5: Can I ask you a personal question and you don't
Speaker 5: have to answer it if you don't want to. And
Speaker 5: I could be wrong, but it seems like I can
Speaker 5: tell a big difference in you since the first time
Speaker 5: we talked just how you deal, just how you're dealing
Speaker 5: with things. Do you feel there's a difference.
Speaker 3: When I first when you first I talk to you,
Speaker 3: I just freaked out. I couldn't breathe the first few times.
Speaker 3: I mean, honestly, there's one time I had to hang
Speaker 3: up because I could not breathe, and I mean I
Speaker 3: was it was And the next time I think at
Speaker 3: it was the time that you had to wait till
Speaker 3: afternoon or something, and I'm like, oh, yes, I have
Speaker 3: more coffee before I have done phone. So yeah, it's
Speaker 3: I've bently calmed down and I've prayed about it, and
Speaker 3: I was excited for you guys to do that. It
Speaker 3: was a little overwhelming. I'm glad I didn't have to
Speaker 3: be there because it was a little more than I
Speaker 3: thought it was going to be, but it was. It
Speaker 3: was really exciting. Anything you do to help anybody is
Speaker 3: just I can't imagine not knowing what happened to my child.
Speaker 11: Despite connecting with her numerous times over the phone, mister
Speaker 11: Campbell and Lynn I had never met something he wanted
Speaker 11: to change.
Speaker 5: You had mentioned that you might consider maybe coming for
Speaker 5: a visit sometime this summer. Is that really something you
Speaker 5: feel like doing.
Speaker 3: Yes, once I saw those girls, I have to meet
Speaker 3: those girls someway. It's possible. I just felt this chinship
Speaker 3: or something with them to them. Okay, I don't know why,
Speaker 3: but the minute that song or that I thought I
Speaker 3: had to meet these girls.
Speaker 11: Mister Campbell relay the news to Riley and Martley.
Speaker 5: I was able to speak to our surviving victim. She
Speaker 5: said that in the last few years she really hadn't
Speaker 5: gone many places like I. Basically left her town, she said.
Speaker 4: But she said, after I saw those girls, like I
Speaker 4: just wanted to come meet on So she said that
Speaker 4: she would like to maybe plan a trip down here
Speaker 4: maybe in the next few months.
Speaker 8: No way, that's crazy.
Speaker 17: Well, how do you feel about that?
Speaker 8: That's insane.
Speaker 16: That's gonna be just gonna feel because I mean, we
Speaker 16: have really we have not talked to her one on one,
Speaker 16: but we've talked.
Speaker 22: We found out about as much as we could about
Speaker 22: this without actually meeting her, who was in a creepy way,
Speaker 22: we're almost like her stalkers and her fan club because
Speaker 22: you know, she is the reason he did get he
Speaker 22: did get prosecuted, and so we've kind of been her
Speaker 22: biggest fan, and she doesn't even really we've never met her.
Speaker 16: And it kind of feels like she don't know who
Speaker 16: we are. She's kind of a celebrity in our minds.
Speaker 16: I guess, you know, we can meet it. That's crazy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you guys are smiling, you're pretty excited. You're talking
Speaker 5: over each other.
Speaker 16: That's what it's about. It's about these girls. It's not
Speaker 16: I mean, obviously we want as much media attention as
Speaker 16: possible and much attention to the case as possible. But
Speaker 16: if we can do justice on these girls part and
Speaker 16: get their stories out there and make it known, I
Speaker 16: think that's the most important thing.
Speaker 5: I think we've got more work to do. And yeah,
Speaker 5: like new stuff's gonna happen, And so maybe you guys
Speaker 5: can just focus on.
Speaker 4: Winning the state championship for the next couple of weeks.
Speaker 5: Okay, take a little break from the all the murders,
Speaker 5: and let's just go at championship.
Speaker 4: And then maybe after all that, maybe we'll see what's
Speaker 4: happening and if there's some way we want to continue this,
Speaker 4: maybe in the.
Speaker 17: Spring or next year, we'll I'm sure there'll be more
Speaker 17: work to do.
Speaker 11: Definitely, it seems that time might come sooner rather than later.
Speaker 1: The only question I have is Jerry Johns could not
Speaker 1: have murdered us, the victim who was found in Barbaraville, Kentucky,
Speaker 1: because he was arrested, which was the very last victim.
Speaker 1: He was arrested for the attempted murder of London. He
Speaker 1: would have been in jail. But what I know is
Speaker 1: that Jerry Johns had a brother.
Speaker 11: Shane Waters, who has been on the case since the beginning,
Speaker 11: has a theory that can't be ignored. Shane recalls his
Speaker 11: interview with an eyewitness who saw Epsy Pilgrim being abducted.
Speaker 1: He told me what the man looked like, what the
Speaker 1: truck looked like. But what's odd and interesting is that
Speaker 1: the truck is a red truck, which Jerry Johns' truck
Speaker 1: was red, so the description is a perfect description of
Speaker 1: what Jerry Johnson's truck was. However, Jerry Johns was a redhead,
Speaker 1: and Bruce said that this man had dark hair, and
Speaker 1: Jerry Johns's brother had dark hair.
Speaker 11: Shane spoke to Jerry Johns's ex wife about the brother.
Speaker 1: When I talked to his wife, she told me that
Speaker 1: him and his brother would drive around to all these
Speaker 1: locations together. They you know, they basically were always in
Speaker 1: the truck together. They were very close. And she's like,
Speaker 1: you know, one of the things that I don't understand
Speaker 1: is like, how could he do this with his brother there.
Speaker 17: All the time?
Speaker 1: And so I was like, well, do you think they
Speaker 1: could have been doing this together? And she's like, well,
Speaker 1: he kind of would have to be. Maybe his brother
Speaker 1: did it to try to take the heat off of
Speaker 1: Jerry John's because I know that they questioned Jerry John's
Speaker 1: about these women being murdered when he was arrested. However,
Speaker 1: I believe once eSPI was murdered shortly after while he's
Speaker 1: in jail, I think that the suspicion gets off of
Speaker 1: him because of her body being found. I think that
Speaker 1: Jerry was the lead person who was doing all these things,
Speaker 1: but I think that his brother was there with him.
Speaker 1: They were probably in it together.
Speaker 12: Hey, girls, how y'all doing?
Speaker 5: How not too bad? I hadn't seen you in a
Speaker 5: while when y'all been up to.
Speaker 8: Not much, just playing basketball?
Speaker 6: Playing basketball?
Speaker 8: Yeah, did y'all win something or something?
Speaker 7: The other night?
Speaker 8: We did?
Speaker 13: We won the district championship.
Speaker 8: Awesome what's next region? Yeah, okay, awesome. Well the bell
Speaker 8: just rang. I'm getting ready to go to class.
Speaker 4: Did y'all need something?
Speaker 7: I know we haven't met in a while, but I
Speaker 7: have some new information that needs to share and I think.
Speaker 8: It changes every week.
Speaker 11: More on that next time. Murder one oh one is
Speaker 11: executive produced by Stephanie Leidecker, Alex Campbell, Courtney Armstrong, Andrew Arnout,
Speaker 11: and me Jeff Shane. Additional producing by Connor Powell and
Speaker 11: Gabriel Castillo. Editing by Jeff Twa and Davey Cooper Wesser,
Speaker 11: Music by Vanikor Music. Murder one oh one is a
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Speaker 17: This is Alex Campbell, co host of Murder one oh one.
Speaker 17: We hope you're enjoying season one. We asked that if
Speaker 17: you know anything that could help police solve these cases,
Speaker 17: that you contact the appropriate agencies with any information you
Speaker 17: feel can help with their work to bring justice to
Speaker 17: these women and their families. But we also asked that
Speaker 17: if you feel you can help us continue to tell
Speaker 17: these stories that you reach out to us with any
Speaker 17: of the following information. Number one, if you have any
Speaker 17: personal experiences with these victims that could help us tell
Speaker 17: their stories as real people. Maybe you grew up with them,
Speaker 17: worked with them, or are even related to them. If
Speaker 17: you can shed light on the investigations going back to
Speaker 17: the nineteen eighties, then maybe you worked with the cases,
Speaker 17: such as a police officer, or maybe you were a
Speaker 17: witness or even a journalist, that would also be very helpful.
Speaker 17: And finally, if you have any information on our suspect,
Speaker 17: maybe you grew up with him, you were in the
Speaker 17: military with him, incarcerated with him, or maybe involved with
Speaker 17: him through law enforcement such as his jailor guard or
Speaker 17: parole officer. All those things can be helpful. We would
Speaker 17: love to hear from any of you.
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