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Speaker 1: And I'm gonna tell you like this. When me and
Speaker 1: this man said the right and we started this show,
Speaker 1: we said, there's other outlets for the new artists. There's
Speaker 1: other ways this radio, there's other ways for the new artists.
Speaker 1: We wanted to show love and respect to people that
Speaker 1: came before us, some people that came on the side
Speaker 1: of us, and some people that came behind us. But
Speaker 1: today's episode Liz super super super special. We've had legends,
Speaker 1: but we we this is this is uh a new
Speaker 1: word that I've made up yesterday. It's a more legend.
Speaker 1: He's like an immortal legend that from the first hip
Speaker 1: hop record that was a commercially released bit off of him,
Speaker 1: they stole his boss. This man has been around relentless.
Speaker 1: He's been there when hip hop has what was there
Speaker 1: and he had control over he had a pulse in
Speaker 1: the game. It wasn't just like he was around just
Speaker 1: just just being there. No, he had his own. This
Speaker 1: man is a legend. He's still here. He deserves his flowers,
Speaker 1: he deserves some kanyak, and we're gonna have fun if
Speaker 1: you're gonna get into his business. This is what I
Speaker 1: like to call a super legend. In case you don't
Speaker 1: understand or don't know what the fun is going on
Speaker 1: right now, we have Grandmaster motherfucker cast now now me
Speaker 1: doing my research right to tell you the truth. I've
Speaker 1: been doing this with almost six years. Year we're going
Speaker 1: on our six years. I'm not trying to gas you up.
Speaker 1: This was the funniest research I've ever done because everything
Speaker 1: that I researched from you and led me to something
Speaker 1: else and then let me just and this is the
Speaker 1: reason why I like I would if I ever got
Speaker 1: a chance to like speak to you on the artist,
Speaker 1: I would tell them it's good to look go pay
Speaker 1: the way, it's good to go look at that. You know.
Speaker 1: So what you yo? Your history is so rich, it's
Speaker 1: so like. But one of the one of the illest
Speaker 1: things that I did not know was Sugar Hills rapping.
Speaker 1: What is it raping? He out right sold your lyrics? Yeah,
Speaker 1: pretty much, he said his name in So can you
Speaker 1: describe for the for the people who was not listening
Speaker 1: the first hip hop not not especially the first hip
Speaker 1: hop record, but the first hip hop records was released commercially,
Speaker 1: the first commercial commercial Yeah, the first commercial hip hop Okay, so,
Speaker 1: so what what happens? Because when this record comes out,
Speaker 1: which I did not know, the community, Hey this record,
Speaker 1: yeah pretty much like the early hip hop community. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean that, like who is this? Like
Speaker 1: who these because I was back then would come to
Speaker 1: the Bronx or come downtown pretty pretty much all knew
Speaker 1: each other exactly exactly. And for somebody to come out
Speaker 1: of nowhere with three people like nobody knows, like who
Speaker 1: the fund is they? You know what I'm saying that,
Speaker 1: I mean, we wasn't out in New Jersey. But then
Speaker 1: no cats was out there doing things out there in Jersey.
Speaker 1: Apparently they were, but I attitude here was like who
Speaker 1: the fund is? That kind of kind of put together,
Speaker 1: like yo, can your wrapped come here? Come over here, Hey,
Speaker 1: you you too come in here, come with me, that
Speaker 1: type of thing. But I mean, how you got the
Speaker 1: lyrics in the first place? Hank was, he was down
Speaker 1: with me. He was managing my group, which was called
Speaker 1: the Mighty Force back then, and he uh, he had
Speaker 1: to get a job in New Jersey to pay back
Speaker 1: the loan he took out to to like refurbish our
Speaker 1: sound system when he started managing us. He took out
Speaker 1: a loan from his parents for like two stacks, which
Speaker 1: was bread back then, and we got bigger speakers, better amplifiers,
Speaker 1: all that so we could go out and bust nigga's
Speaker 1: ask when we go out to play um. And in
Speaker 1: order to pay back alone, he got your job in
Speaker 1: a piece of shop in Jersey where Sylvia Robinson happened
Speaker 1: to be looking for people you know, and somebody seeing
Speaker 1: him in the pizza shop with a boom box record
Speaker 1: for people that don't know sugar records. Sylvia Robson, head
Speaker 1: of Sugar Records. Um, he used to take a boom
Speaker 1: box to work with him anything and be playing my
Speaker 1: tapes in the boom box, my practice tapes or tapes
Speaker 1: I record for my parties. So he's in there flipping
Speaker 1: dough and ship, you know what I mean, making pieces
Speaker 1: and just rhyming along with the tape. People coming in
Speaker 1: and out of the joint, like figure, Hey, the Skuy
Speaker 1: is a rapper. Hey Sky a rapper. When Sylvia started
Speaker 1: looking for people, you know, somebody let her that way
Speaker 1: and he came out. You know, it was like, yo,
Speaker 1: could you come out? We want you to and instead
Speaker 1: of this nigga like well now I don't rap, but
Speaker 1: I manage Casting Ova Fly. He just took your ship.
Speaker 1: That was that was what he was supposed to do
Speaker 1: because I don't rap. Now I don't wrap, but I
Speaker 1: managed Casting Ova Fly. He was the manager. But he didn't.
Speaker 1: He just got in the car repeated all the stuff
Speaker 1: that was on the tape. They loved it, and it
Speaker 1: was like you in and so they put him down
Speaker 1: with you. But the other two was rappers. G and
Speaker 1: Mike was part of like a DJ group, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Sound on sound Um Sound on Side
Speaker 1: Studio on sound Sound on sound out in Jersey, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So, yeah, they were I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna say Bronx caliber seeds, but they was rappers, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And then the podcast and they
Speaker 1: acknowledged what had happened. They said, you all are cool now.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we're cool now. I mean we were cool
Speaker 1: as far as that. No, I mean we as cool
Speaker 1: as we could beat They can't. They can't. You give
Speaker 1: me no back money. I mean it ain't on up.
Speaker 1: So I mean we're cool. They didn't even know what
Speaker 1: they was making money. No, they didn't know that Hank
Speaker 1: was hugged. They was amazed at this nigger. He was like,
Speaker 1: this motherfucker is the truth. He's saying, Ship that none
Speaker 1: of us, you know what I mean. And if you
Speaker 1: look at we're listening to rappers the light because like
Speaker 1: hip to the Hippy, and Hank is like, I'm not
Speaker 1: that's me, nigger. I'm saying. He said his name in
Speaker 1: that's the craziest ship. Like when you hear that, what
Speaker 1: are you thinking? I'm thinking, when do you hear that's
Speaker 1: the first one last verse? He was the last Verson.
Speaker 1: He was, he was the second, the second come on
Speaker 1: Hank singing that song. Check it out. I'm the C
Speaker 1: A S and the O B A and the rest.
Speaker 1: That's name his name in the bus, the name back
Speaker 1: in the day when you like, like I think love
Speaker 1: Bugg was one of the first people I heard spell
Speaker 1: out their name. And when Cats first start rapping, love
Speaker 1: Buck Starsky rest in peace. Okay, when and when Cats
Speaker 1: first started rapping, they were just using whatever cadence was
Speaker 1: out whatever, you know what I mean. So actually people
Speaker 1: are saying I'm the l O V E B, not
Speaker 1: realizing nigger. You saying that you somebody else let me included.
Speaker 1: And I was mortified when I found out I was
Speaker 1: saying that I'm somebody else's name. So from then on,
Speaker 1: I mean, I fact checked my ship before I say anything.
Speaker 1: I'm Nigga, I'm me, I'm not him, I'm not this,
Speaker 1: I'm not that. So that's when I came up with
Speaker 1: I'm the C A S, N O V A and
Speaker 1: the rest of fl y. I spell out my name Nigga.
Speaker 1: So for there cannot be another rhyme like that. There
Speaker 1: is no other casting over flies. So let me ask
Speaker 1: you something well, you more mad at the record the
Speaker 1: records perceived to be whack, or were you mad that
Speaker 1: this guy is actually biting my liberals? Or was it evenly?
Speaker 1: I wasn't mad that the record was perceived to be whacked,
Speaker 1: because it wasn't perceived to be whacked. The ship was
Speaker 1: a hit. It was a hit. Now when he gave
Speaker 1: it to me, I had to like the first copies.
Speaker 1: When he first got him and brought him to my house,
Speaker 1: it was like, yo, check it out. And I put
Speaker 1: Ship on the turntable. I let him play. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I oh, ship all right? After a while, like falling asleep.
Speaker 1: That ship was like twenty minutes long. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: and the flying shipped on it and and and hey
Speaker 1: the ship. I was saying, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: So I wait to hear my rhymes and to be
Speaker 1: like all right. But nobody thought it was The hip
Speaker 1: hop community thought it was whacked. Us us niggas, who
Speaker 1: I think everybody is whacked, but us, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, type of ship we didn't have. We wasn't
Speaker 1: open minded like we are the day everybody was whacked
Speaker 1: to us. So you know, these niggas was way off
Speaker 1: the chark. So when the song came out, the song
Speaker 1: was trashed to us, but we knew at large this
Speaker 1: ship was the fucking hit. And this is what set
Speaker 1: the stage for wrapping hip hop music and mainstream America.
Speaker 1: I mean, was I was I bit about it? You
Speaker 1: fucking right, I'm supposed to be in the sugar Hill game.
Speaker 1: Not that I wanted to be in the sugar Hill okay,
Speaker 1: but but had had had that went the way it
Speaker 1: was supposed to be, I mean, my life would have
Speaker 1: been different. You don't know what the funk would have been.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. The sugar game would have been
Speaker 1: a whole lot fucking dope. Because because back then, I
Speaker 1: thought it was interesting to see that you guys really
Speaker 1: wasn't recording music. Guys were just making music live facts.
Speaker 1: So so like, how did that transition from from that?
Speaker 1: It was after rappers late, Well, well, we was recording.
Speaker 1: We were recording our parties. So that was the first
Speaker 1: recordings of hip hop, those tapes, those cassette tapes. That's
Speaker 1: the way hip hop started to spread, first locally, you know, domestically,
Speaker 1: and then overseas because Cats was going in the army,
Speaker 1: Casts was going in the service some stuff and taking
Speaker 1: their music with them, taking them because that's take. So
Speaker 1: they'll be in Germany, they'll be in call unquer whenever
Speaker 1: they stationed that And that's what exposed that music to
Speaker 1: other people, like what's that you're listening to? Yo? This
Speaker 1: is hip hop from back home? This and this and that.
Speaker 1: So that was one of the first vehicles that helped
Speaker 1: to spread. And then when the rap music came out,
Speaker 1: that the records came out, that changed the whole motherfucking
Speaker 1: you know, the paradigm of what it was. It was like,
Speaker 1: now you gotta do this to be successful. I think
Speaker 1: we were the last group that that performed. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: Cold Crush Brothers was the last hip hop group from
Speaker 1: the first group that that could survive without a record,
Speaker 1: without a hit record, because once that record thing came
Speaker 1: into play, you had to have it to change everything,
Speaker 1: what I mean. So we we had we had a
Speaker 1: little longer run than most without a hit record. Now,
Speaker 1: back in the day, that was dressing weird. Yeah, flame
Speaker 1: that ship on the furious. They always want to say
Speaker 1: everybody copied our status and everybody, yeah, we did so
Speaker 1: because I'm looking I'm looking something like I said, I'm
Speaker 1: doing my research. And that was a part of the
Speaker 1: time in hip hop where everyone always says that, like, yo,
Speaker 1: the original hip hop is dressed like rock stars. And
Speaker 1: now like since Little Wayne kind of like took on
Speaker 1: that rock star pasana, I kind of see it coming back.
Speaker 1: But it's a it's a different pasana. It's you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Well, it's a different era. You know,
Speaker 1: So what a rock star looked like back then, it's
Speaker 1: different for what a rock star looks like today. And
Speaker 1: it was really punk rock, right what what? What? What?
Speaker 1: What kind of mixed the thing was how it started
Speaker 1: For the Furious Five, I want to speak for nobody,
Speaker 1: but with me and my relationship with Malie Matt we
Speaker 1: talked all the time and pretty much the whole group. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know the history. And so they once they saw
Speaker 1: making records with sugar Hill, they went on the road
Speaker 1: with groups like Cameo and the Barcade and you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, they were at so they started they
Speaker 1: started emulating the look of stars, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Rick James, and you know what I mean, we we
Speaker 1: want to separate ourselves from the way the audience looks.
Speaker 1: And I'm believing that wholeheartedly. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: You go to the show, I don't want to see
Speaker 1: a nigga looked like me. So they they kind of
Speaker 1: initiated that as far as hip hop's can serve. When
Speaker 1: they came off the road, they had niggas making leather
Speaker 1: outfits with furs and and tassels hanging off them and
Speaker 1: all kind of ship and it was like us, we
Speaker 1: had an excuse for it. We had the record punk
Speaker 1: rock rap, so we were trying to merge the two energies.
Speaker 1: The Hi keep kicking on. We need I need to
Speaker 1: drink something we got to do. Say, let's get it,
Speaker 1: Let's get it. They take a shot a man, I
Speaker 1: got my Japanese minky baby. Listen, and we're gonna set
Speaker 1: it off. Were donna set it off right, all right?
Speaker 1: Graham As a cast, we don't know if you know.
Speaker 1: Our show is about giving the legends they flowers when
Speaker 1: they alive. We started that. We didn't make up the slogan,
Speaker 1: but we started to spread that slogan. And let me
Speaker 1: just tell you something in case you don't know, you
Speaker 1: are appreciated. You are legend. I went and search your history.
Speaker 1: I damn their chairs came out of my eyes when
Speaker 1: I was walking, because I was like, damn, I thought
Speaker 1: I knew everything about you, and then I just kept
Speaker 1: going and I didn't know the rappers the like ship.
Speaker 1: I definitely that's that's I didn't know that ship I did.
Speaker 1: That's the only thing that I do. Everything up. So
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna motherfucker's salute you while your motherfucking here.
Speaker 1: Let's where you at, cam. Yeah, this is the first time.
Speaker 1: We actually was a second time, Scarfie is the first time.
Speaker 1: But look this is actually flowers, real flowers, and this
Speaker 1: is for you. That's right, that's where you got. Damn it,
Speaker 1: that's what that's what's from other North. We again, we
Speaker 1: all full ours got that damn je man, it's a
Speaker 1: hard open up. Come on, come on, pizza, get your
Speaker 1: ass here, come on, come on, let me smoking too. Goddamn,
Speaker 1: let's go and talk about Let's go baby. Yeah told
Speaker 1: him about that. So, um, what are you talking about? Okay,
Speaker 1: the no, I'm gonna switch it up a little bit
Speaker 1: because I barely want to know your opinion on this.
Speaker 1: Did you watch versus the other not? Yes? I did. Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm so glad that she broke that up. Okay. That
Speaker 1: was the first verses I've ever watched. Okay, Okay, I
Speaker 1: don't know what you want to say. What did you
Speaker 1: think of it? Listen this nigga Jada kiss put hands
Speaker 1: and see he showed you what a real m C.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's supposed to do. He did with a real
Speaker 1: m C. Any nigger who considered himself a real m C.
Speaker 1: That's what he was supposed to do. And that's what
Speaker 1: he did. And j DJ, the DJ, yes, he you
Speaker 1: know he if he wasn't on point, that would have
Speaker 1: sucked it up. But I mean, Jada just demanded that ship.
Speaker 1: And with all that angst going back and forth, all
Speaker 1: that get you could anybody could have lost their poise
Speaker 1: out there. Jada kept his poise throughout that ship. Okay.
Speaker 1: And and they paled in comparison as far as entertainers
Speaker 1: and m c s. Take a shot you Okay. Now
Speaker 1: we're gonna keep going with that because I want to cousin.
Speaker 1: You know, I got to ask, how did you feel
Speaker 1: when you heard them whining off the vocals? So take
Speaker 1: your shoppers. I'll do a pop up okay with these cats.
Speaker 1: Um it's called bugs and bars. You know, we got vendors,
Speaker 1: we said we and we have like a rap contest.
Speaker 1: The first thing I tell all these young niggas, what's
Speaker 1: that noise like a rabbit? The first thing I tell
Speaker 1: these niggas, don't run over your motherfucking music. Every last
Speaker 1: one of them that come up do the same thing
Speaker 1: over put their vocal track on and wrap over it.
Speaker 1: That's the most unprofessional ship that you can do, even
Speaker 1: when you ain't a professional. So when you are a professional,
Speaker 1: you know better than that ship, especially if you got
Speaker 1: hit songs. Motherfucker ain't like nobody know your music and
Speaker 1: you gotta throw the vocals on the kind of you
Speaker 1: know you got hits already. You gotta be able to
Speaker 1: rock your ship. And that was the main point that
Speaker 1: that killed him because like me, me um, I've been
Speaker 1: the game twenty four years now, right, But I do
Speaker 1: have records where I've never collected the instrumental. I only
Speaker 1: got two I got sometimes and I don't have the
Speaker 1: instrumental to that, and I don't have the instruments until
Speaker 1: I'm leaving. But so when I perform them, the beat play,
Speaker 1: but when it comes from my vocals, I put the
Speaker 1: vocals all the way down, so everyone knows that I'm
Speaker 1: rhumbling above this ship, and they noticed I'm you either
Speaker 1: put the vocals down or you bring your vocals up.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. If you're rhyming over your track,
Speaker 1: you rhyme over you. You understand what I'm saying that
Speaker 1: because everybody got a joints where they ain't got no
Speaker 1: instrumental to ye. It happens to me all the time.
Speaker 1: But that's how I learned how to emote and you know,
Speaker 1: go over my ship exactly like two niggers and you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So, yeah, that was important. That
Speaker 1: was important, and that was a dope point that he made.
Speaker 1: And that was a big, you know, a big reason
Speaker 1: for the l I mean, if you would have just
Speaker 1: played each other's records and nobody got on to perform,
Speaker 1: it would have been a little closer because but the
Speaker 1: performance part of it is what took him over the
Speaker 1: top because it was funny because it reminded me of
Speaker 1: you guys. Uh again, what was the first five you guys?
Speaker 1: And it reminded me of what you said. You said
Speaker 1: you thought you lost that night, but you went back
Speaker 1: and listened to the tape and he said corner to
Speaker 1: the tapes, it was it was different. It wasn't me
Speaker 1: that thought we lost. It was it was, you know,
Speaker 1: we we lost to the crowd. You know, in the
Speaker 1: crowd they said who one day they cheered for them,
Speaker 1: they cheered for but they cheered louder for the for
Speaker 1: the Fantastic five, you know mostly I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: females and but but because it was the visual it
Speaker 1: was the excitement of the moment. They was the last
Speaker 1: ones on and all that. But when you went home
Speaker 1: and took that tape home and you just listen without
Speaker 1: all the visuals, without all that, just listen, you was like, wait,
Speaker 1: funk out here, nigga bus staying and I'm thinking that
Speaker 1: they don't sound better than there, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So that was on us get our visuals up. So
Speaker 1: and they had Eyeline on too and three and for
Speaker 1: them is light skinned. They say, we didn't have a chance,
Speaker 1: we didn't have a shot. We're talking all right, let's
Speaker 1: go whatever the hell you want. But that's a super
Speaker 1: dug like the two got them and got them. So
Speaker 1: so back then this record comes out rappers a light right,
Speaker 1: Everybody saying, is that now what what people are saying,
Speaker 1: because at first it was important to have your tape
Speaker 1: circulate in throughout the city and things like that. So
Speaker 1: it does that shift that everyone wants to be on
Speaker 1: records now, yeah, okay, it was. It was a shift
Speaker 1: that made people okay, oh we can make records, we
Speaker 1: can put and think that was something that was possible. Exactly.
Speaker 1: Nobody was thinking that way. The closer we got to it,
Speaker 1: Me and my my first DJ partner, disco with all
Speaker 1: Right on the first suspend, next in in hip hop
Speaker 1: and most of the first hispanics in hip hop was
Speaker 1: down with me trying to whip a whip, Charlie Chase,
Speaker 1: Joe Conzo, I'm gonna focus Fox with my morties. That
Speaker 1: so um, just just that association, you know, just I mean,
Speaker 1: just differentiated you know, me from because because I imagine
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to cut you off, because I imagine at first,
Speaker 1: especially were rappers are light and especially even my day
Speaker 1: like at first used to be whacked to be on
Speaker 1: the radio. At first, It's like yo, like you was
Speaker 1: still want to be commercial, underground, that was us, But
Speaker 1: I've dumb masked. We didn't want to make a record.
Speaker 1: We don't want to we didn't want to go to
Speaker 1: a label when rappers the light came out, Uh, it
Speaker 1: was labeled. The labels that was out was Enjoy, Enjoy,
Speaker 1: Bobby Robinson, but he rested peace? Whose son is Ronnie
Speaker 1: d from the Disco four? May he rest in peace? Okay? Well,
Speaker 1: Bobby had the whole roster of early hip hop artists.
Speaker 1: He had a Furious five, the Treacherous three, the Fielders four,
Speaker 1: talking in the all Stars, I mean, and and all
Speaker 1: the and the band that he had had. All the
Speaker 1: music sounded tight. We didn't want to do We didn't
Speaker 1: want to go run the Enjoy because they had signed
Speaker 1: all these other people before them. So it's like we
Speaker 1: ain't gonna go get on the back of nobody line.
Speaker 1: We all of things out in the street and Russell
Speaker 1: was not involved. No, Russell not involved at this time.
Speaker 1: Russell's like like on the f with Curtis blow right,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And when when run was
Speaker 1: Curtis blows d j Um damn, I lost my thought.
Speaker 1: Um um, we we're talking. You're saying you didn't want
Speaker 1: to sign. Some didn't want to we didn't want to
Speaker 1: sign to the label. We was like, yeah, that's Porty records.
Speaker 1: I mean, we were playing in Harlem world, were playing
Speaker 1: the Bridgeport, playing and this and this and that. But
Speaker 1: a little by little, you know what, the the recorium
Speaker 1: or whatever you wanna call it changed for you being hot.
Speaker 1: You could be hot in the street, but if you
Speaker 1: don't have no record. We was headlining when New Edition
Speaker 1: came out. Well Vonnie, Bobby Wicky and Mike Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they opened up for us. Run DMC opened up for us.
Speaker 1: So for us, for us that was more important because
Speaker 1: we didn't see that the future was just gonna be records.
Speaker 1: And then after you got hit records, then you do
Speaker 1: the performance. There's not a lot of people who don't
Speaker 1: make records out here doing shows and ship that's viable
Speaker 1: coming second. So but in hindsight, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: we could have gotten the back of anybody's bandwagon or
Speaker 1: whatever and made our way to the front of it,
Speaker 1: you know. But because we went another route, our commercial
Speaker 1: success didn't uh compare with our ground level success, right
Speaker 1: and our show, which was the best show in hip
Speaker 1: hop at the time, didn't translate to vinyl. We weren't
Speaker 1: able to translate that energy that we brought to the
Speaker 1: stage and that, you know to Vinyl. So what was
Speaker 1: the second hit, because I think it was Rapper said, like,
Speaker 1: then it was another record and then it was the Message, right,
Speaker 1: it was pre it was two records before rapping the Light.
Speaker 1: The intros pretty much was uh Um King Tim the
Speaker 1: three Okay Okay, and then Jocko Rhythm Talk by Jocko.
Speaker 1: The fifties radio DJ had a joint with the Fat
Speaker 1: back Man and then after rapping, said like was that
Speaker 1: after Robbins of Life, Oh, a sequence came out with
Speaker 1: funk up Um. They started, uh, they started to sign everybody,
Speaker 1: the Crash Crew, the Treacherous three, Busy Be was over
Speaker 1: there at one time, you know, so everything for a
Speaker 1: while with Sugar Hills, Sugar Hills, sugar Hill, they had
Speaker 1: it unlocked it before Death Jam. Sugar Hill was we're
Speaker 1: talking from seventy nine to like eighty two, eighty three,
Speaker 1: eight four, Yeah, into the early eighties, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, until like eighty four when when Death Jam
Speaker 1: started and Run d M seeing them just that was
Speaker 1: like from run DMC on, it was just different from
Speaker 1: there they was. They was the dividing line between our
Speaker 1: era and the next era, not recently. We just saw
Speaker 1: that daylast Soul. God bless them brothers. They finally got
Speaker 1: their masters back. How do you feel about that? Is
Speaker 1: that a struggle that you go through? Yeah? Yeah, my
Speaker 1: group went through, but we don't got as many masters,
Speaker 1: say what I'm saying, But yeah, we had to struggle
Speaker 1: with the record company and ship like that because they
Speaker 1: were you know, like doing license and deals with our
Speaker 1: music and stuff like that, with us not knowing shit
Speaker 1: about it and all kind of will ship. And like
Speaker 1: I said, we don't got the biggest and the longest catalog,
Speaker 1: but I don't give a funk if it's one thing.
Speaker 1: If it's three dollars, that's my three dollars. You understand
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And I wanted so um yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we went through the lawyer thing and did what we
Speaker 1: had to do, you know, to get our ship to
Speaker 1: return to us. That now we are in control. We
Speaker 1: don't own it out right yet, but we own. You
Speaker 1: can't do nothing with it without space type ship. Um.
Speaker 1: We did a joint for Apple not too long ago
Speaker 1: for the iPhone and eleven and they used our saw him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean and boom. You got to break Boom. So
Speaker 1: that was a good look back they would have got
Speaker 1: all that money, they got all that money, no better not.
Speaker 1: I'm not really understanding how you couldn't get a piece
Speaker 1: of rappers delight? What was the business model that doesn't
Speaker 1: allow you to do that? When he's clearly saying your
Speaker 1: name in the verse. The business model is the crook model.
Speaker 1: That's that, that's the model. But what I'm saying, like,
Speaker 1: how can someone not say that these niggas don't don't,
Speaker 1: don't know no better Robert model meaning them all you then, Okay,
Speaker 1: that whole record industry, I mean, that's part of the
Speaker 1: record business, especially back then. Yeah, you know what I
Speaker 1: mean that because none of us knew nothing, No, none
Speaker 1: of us knew ship. Were just happy to be on
Speaker 1: the record. And that ship goes back to all the
Speaker 1: way back to you know what I mean, the artists
Speaker 1: from back in the day. Okay, we're just happy to
Speaker 1: do what we do and be on the record and
Speaker 1: get famous from it. We don't learn later on, you
Speaker 1: know how fun over we we've been, you know, until
Speaker 1: you know, it's sets in, sets in on all of us.
Speaker 1: At some point when you think about I heard that
Speaker 1: back then, that Sam Cook was the only black man
Speaker 1: who owns his master, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: no one can tell you how he died. Fact like
Speaker 1: no one can should they say about Prince? Yeah yeah
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. As soon as you start talking that independent
Speaker 1: from the system ship. Yeah, you're talking and anything in anything,
Speaker 1: you're gonna do another shop. I'm doing the show that
Speaker 1: should drink, do a shot to do a shot out?
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah yeah. You want you want you don't want
Speaker 1: to whiskey? Do you don't? You don't want to mix
Speaker 1: it up, don't want miss it up. Let me know
Speaker 1: if he wants to a little ice ship yeah yeah yeah, yah,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah yeah yeah. I'm putting in this carp now,
Speaker 1: that's that Japanese whiskey right there, all right. If he
Speaker 1: wants some ice in there, that takes Mike, I don't
Speaker 1: want to touch it myself. Thank you, brother, Yo, motherfucking
Speaker 1: grand master Cat. I'm mad. I'm mad, happy, bro, I'm
Speaker 1: like a kid in the candy machine right now. It
Speaker 1: is right there, soottle my brother. So that's a question
Speaker 1: I asked everybody who comes here. But you can actually
Speaker 1: really really answer this question. Did you ever think hip
Speaker 1: hop and make it this fun? No, but I always
Speaker 1: hope that it would oc could you had the potential? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm stopping you for a second because why why because
Speaker 1: it was it just like a basement party type of
Speaker 1: thing when it first invented. Or I'm curious to say,
Speaker 1: I'm here. You you you, you gotta understand. When we
Speaker 1: first started doing hip hop, people looking at us like,
Speaker 1: what the fund is wrong with you? Like what the
Speaker 1: fun is? Imagine you know from the from the dancing,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, from the break dancing especially, Yeah,
Speaker 1: mean the funk y'all rolling around on the floor for
Speaker 1: sucking up your clothes. That was the attitude. And then
Speaker 1: if you and you can't go you can't be in
Speaker 1: a party and ask a girl and dann yo, who's
Speaker 1: up short? Do you want dance? And then bring it
Speaker 1: out to the dance floors and start spinning on the
Speaker 1: fucking floor. All right. It's just like me. So if
Speaker 1: we was on our own with the ship for a
Speaker 1: while before it got cooler. Other people, my parents are friends,
Speaker 1: y'all ain't gonna never get nowhere doing that hivity. How
Speaker 1: they ship ain't even take the name of this ship serious? Everything?
Speaker 1: This ship alright, motherfucker drug dealers. Oh you're gonna working
Speaker 1: with them hip hop niggas. Tell a biture, Oh yo,
Speaker 1: you're with them hip hop niggas over there. Hur So
Speaker 1: it wasn't. It wasn't a positive thing for a while.
Speaker 1: It's the fucking biggest genre of music and the fucking
Speaker 1: had I know, I would be a real thick head
Speaker 1: if I sit here and tell you, yeah, I knew
Speaker 1: it would be this big, and I ain't got this
Speaker 1: much percenter this ship. If I knew I had an
Speaker 1: eight in this ship, I would this ship would have
Speaker 1: to go through me, or at least me and my peers.
Speaker 1: I mean me, cool, hurt, you know what I mean, Flash,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Mel You I mean like
Speaker 1: a counsel, you know what I mean, and have a
Speaker 1: union of this ship that we would have had a
Speaker 1: hole on hip hop. Whereas that can't be a hip
Speaker 1: hop chicken store in Baltimore. Hip hop motherfucking fried chicken,
Speaker 1: my nigger. I got the box in my house, So
Speaker 1: I mean, what other entity you know that anybody can
Speaker 1: just take it and just run with it and do
Speaker 1: what the funk they want with talk hip hop. I
Speaker 1: can't do that ship with nothing else. So because there
Speaker 1: was no there was no organized you know union, No
Speaker 1: nobody sat down, set no rules by laws or whatever. Nobody,
Speaker 1: uh like trademark this ship. There's no ownership of hip hop.
Speaker 1: So now it could be a hip hop any fucking thing,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And that's that's nasty. But
Speaker 1: wasn't zo Nation trying to do some stuff like that?
Speaker 1: Nation has always trying to organize hip hop. I mean first,
Speaker 1: you know, through the family, you know, first making it
Speaker 1: an organization, you know, based on the principles of peace, unity,
Speaker 1: love and having fun, you know what I mean. As
Speaker 1: far as a business model, you know, that was based
Speaker 1: around Bambada and his you know, musical endeavors and stuff
Speaker 1: like that and other things they got into. But they
Speaker 1: did what what what they did early on on was
Speaker 1: unite us under one umbrella call hip hop. Hip Hop
Speaker 1: didn't have a name when we started. We just started out,
Speaker 1: let's do the hip hop thing. Nah. The name hip
Speaker 1: hop came from a cadence in Marching. M hmm, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't. Grandmaster Flash was playing at a party all right,
Speaker 1: and one a cowboy, Keith Cowboy, one of his the
Speaker 1: mcs may he rest in peace. What's going into the
Speaker 1: army next day? So he's working with him on the
Speaker 1: Mikey like, yeah, so it's I forgot to do name somebody, No,
Speaker 1: but I forgot his name. He was like, yeah someone
Speaker 1: so this and that. Yeah, you're having a good time.
Speaker 1: Now you party and now with the mar Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be getting up at the crack of dawn like
Speaker 1: here here here, you know that Caden's when they walk.
Speaker 1: That's where hip hop came from. All right, now it's crazy.
Speaker 1: And then that that that cadence became repeated so much
Speaker 1: it became like the signature thing ahead until hip hop
Speaker 1: the words hip hop form and then love buck Star
Speaker 1: Sky was the one who really kind of took it
Speaker 1: over the top with the head to hop, the head
Speaker 1: the hop to hop, the hop him and been hip
Speaker 1: hip hip hop was the most repeated phrase throughout our conversation.
Speaker 1: So hip hop became the name of our culture. Got
Speaker 1: there makes a noise, moving around a little bit, were
Speaker 1: bouncing around something that I didn't know, Um, DJ Hollywood, right,
Speaker 1: I didn't know DJ Hollywood was consider disco because why
Speaker 1: didn't you know that? Because what was the song that
Speaker 1: he had at one point, tang Wu tang, I don't
Speaker 1: want to know my honey bun and Henty's over that.
Speaker 1: You young, youll befit, no doubt, I know that that one.
Speaker 1: Hip hop, Well, Hollywood precedes hip hop, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, And and Hollywood just kind of in a
Speaker 1: difficult place. But you know, between hip hop and what
Speaker 1: happened before hip hop, you know what I mean, he
Speaker 1: was a direct influence on what came next. The next
Speaker 1: generation of DJ's you know what I mean, got whatever
Speaker 1: they got from DJ Hollywood because like t paying Future,
Speaker 1: all of them, people who use melodic music gotta kind
Speaker 1: of give it to Hollywood. Well, I mean, yeah, he
Speaker 1: was that you know, crowd rocker, that calling response King.
Speaker 1: He had a report with the audience. He was funny
Speaker 1: and he was like that. But m c s as
Speaker 1: we know mcs today, you know what I mean, you
Speaker 1: thought a beat on and these niggers getting in that
Speaker 1: didn't come until our generation. And there was a time
Speaker 1: if he went to a club that Hollywood was playing in,
Speaker 1: you couldn't get in with sneakers. First of all, he
Speaker 1: had to dress up. If they caught your ass breakdancing,
Speaker 1: and that they broke your security. But I found that out.
Speaker 1: That's it hurt me. Yeah. Yeah, So that's part of
Speaker 1: the mystique why people say Hollywood is not, you know,
Speaker 1: it's hip hop. He because he precedes hip hop, but
Speaker 1: he definitely influenced hip hop. I can see that. I
Speaker 1: can see that. So, um, what's your favorite part of
Speaker 1: hip hop? Isn't making it the record? Performing the record?
Speaker 1: Um Records is not really my my forte so to speak.
Speaker 1: I haven't had. I just haven't had that constant studio
Speaker 1: environment that you know a lot of artists have, uh
Speaker 1: for like Park for example, when Pot came home, Park
Speaker 1: lived in the studio for two weeks or months or whatever,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. He went from studio to
Speaker 1: studio to studio, and you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: in order to become that prolific, you have to be
Speaker 1: a demand like that. Uh LLL cool J eleven albums?
Speaker 1: Who the fuck makes eleven albums? Who gets to make
Speaker 1: eleven albums? And hip hop? Maybe now because independently you
Speaker 1: can make a hunted But who gets signed to a
Speaker 1: label to eleven fucking album deal successful albums to exactly
Speaker 1: most of them? So I'm gonna keep it on it.
Speaker 1: But but I mean, but that's the thing. So the
Speaker 1: opportunities that you have, you know, have a lot to
Speaker 1: do with how productive you are. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Today you can make a record in your house. I
Speaker 1: mean it sounds just as good as you know. I
Speaker 1: ain't say all of them because you could, you could,
Speaker 1: because like, yeah, that's just sound like about your I'm
Speaker 1: my engineer. You need let me bragging about me at
Speaker 1: your own But so this is famous jay Z line, right,
Speaker 1: he said, I'm over charging niggas for what they did
Speaker 1: to the cold cork. Where are you at when you
Speaker 1: hear this? And as you say, yeah, what are you saying?
Speaker 1: What you're talking about? Well, I'm gonna tell you what happens,
Speaker 1: you know, is you know came out. Listen listen that.
Speaker 1: So now my phone started ringing off the hood. Yo, Yo,
Speaker 1: you heard jay Z said, yeah, yeah, yeah, I heard it.
Speaker 1: I heard, yo, jay Z hood like like like all day,
Speaker 1: one of them type. So like somebody I was sitting
Speaker 1: and somebody asked me, yo, what you think about that?
Speaker 1: Jay Z? You know, I said, I think you know,
Speaker 1: he's robbing from the rich in the name of the poor.
Speaker 1: Love that now, Robin hood robbed from the rich and
Speaker 1: gave it to the poor. He arrived from the rich
Speaker 1: in the name of the poor, Like I'm a tax
Speaker 1: all you motherfucker's out there extra okay for what? You
Speaker 1: didn't give these niggers right here? H but he didn't
Speaker 1: give these niggs right? It wasn't right? So what what?
Speaker 1: What are my mothers think of it? I think it
Speaker 1: was a statement. What I mean it was. You know,
Speaker 1: Jay's a clever motherfucker. Yeah if a rhyme when he
Speaker 1: when he comes to it, it's like okay, all right, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw that there. But I mean we didn't
Speaker 1: get a call from Jay. You know, no non bank
Speaker 1: accounts went up and none of that ship. So it
Speaker 1: was just you know, another clever jay Z line. No,
Speaker 1: but honestly what he was saying. But my point is this,
Speaker 1: let me ask you what's there? Were you going through
Speaker 1: something with the lady at that time? Or I would
Speaker 1: I would first of all, I would like to talk
Speaker 1: to Jay and be like, what did they do to
Speaker 1: the code crush? Right? What you know that you don't know?
Speaker 1: I know they did something. I know they get something,
Speaker 1: you know, and I know that they did something so
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know what I mean. So, I mean,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of industry secrets and ship like that
Speaker 1: that went on back in the days. Niggas got black
Speaker 1: Ball for the for the sof you could have been
Speaker 1: sucking one of these niggas joints, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: And for that reason, you don't get signed to a
Speaker 1: record label or some ship like that. So people of
Speaker 1: people wherever you go. So there's a lot of reasons
Speaker 1: for people being where they are and people not being
Speaker 1: where they are, right and you do you believe in
Speaker 1: that like black ball and ship in the industry? Hell yeah,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, man, listen, I'm gonna be honest.
Speaker 1: It might not be as organized as you think. It's
Speaker 1: not as organized it is. It's a thing where people
Speaker 1: tell people look at it. It me me, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: there's something that exists. But in this certain ship that's
Speaker 1: just common sense. It's like, just give an example, a
Speaker 1: little oozy verse says fun Grandmaster cats right, and then
Speaker 1: wants to do drink Champs that week, and we say, no,
Speaker 1: we were cats. People might take that as that's being
Speaker 1: black ball, but that's just standing with my homie. But
Speaker 1: that is being black ball too. No, No, everybody stopped
Speaker 1: working with you. But it's the beginning that if you
Speaker 1: can't get signed to a record deal no more. If
Speaker 1: you ain't getting shows niggas, ain't your whole ship stop,
Speaker 1: that's getting black Yeah. I mean if you you might
Speaker 1: get black ball from normally show, but it ain't gonna
Speaker 1: stop your whole motherfucking machine, like the even though this
Speaker 1: is a that's a bad thing to get black ball from,
Speaker 1: drink might like. For instance, me and OS had a
Speaker 1: little dispute back in the days, right, I didn't think
Speaker 1: he was black balling me. I don't think he's sent
Speaker 1: out the message black ball. But at the same token,
Speaker 1: a lot of people did not want to stand next
Speaker 1: to me. You beat people with eyes. I think that's
Speaker 1: a form of black I don't think I think I
Speaker 1: think it is. I think don't. And people want to
Speaker 1: do business with you, and then they stopped working with
Speaker 1: a person because they want to do business with you
Speaker 1: and they don't want to run for those feathers. To me,
Speaker 1: that's black black balling as well. You know what black
Speaker 1: balling is. Black balling is when an executive telling motherfucker
Speaker 1: other executives listen, this nigger here right here or whatever,
Speaker 1: such the such that's and that who don't work with him?
Speaker 1: Mind just as a favor of me, don't work with right,
Speaker 1: that's official blacks. That's black. Now, maybe do you go
Speaker 1: to get shut in your motherfucking face and you don't
Speaker 1: understand why you're honest that something nigger you picked some
Speaker 1: nigga off some nigga influence of man. Yeah, understand that
Speaker 1: that I Honestand and you don't that exists. No, I
Speaker 1: believe that exists, but not to the level like I said,
Speaker 1: like to the level of that like that we think,
Speaker 1: like we just think like you make a disrecord towards
Speaker 1: somebody and then you're just you're just black ball. It's
Speaker 1: not everybody doesn't happened magically because everyone's really not that powerful.
Speaker 1: Like the further you get, the further you get, like
Speaker 1: you've been realizing that some of these dudes Frank's they
Speaker 1: just act like that, you know, saying, somebod these dudes
Speaker 1: straight bozos. You're like, this is who I looked up to,
Speaker 1: Like you know what I'm saying. Like the and the
Speaker 1: further you get kind of you make your own rules,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, you can get to a
Speaker 1: point where, like I swear to guard, don't, I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm not bringing this up. I watched Dave Chappelle three
Speaker 1: days in the row go on stage and say the
Speaker 1: most craziest ship about transgender, about homosexual people, about just
Speaker 1: whatever the funk he wanted to talk about. He talked
Speaker 1: about having a fight with a bitch that was a
Speaker 1: transgender and he said, no, I didn't want to stop
Speaker 1: because I was winning. What I'm saying is David's at
Speaker 1: the level where he doesn't you can't cancel him. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I at that level life, nigger. I could ship on
Speaker 1: your on your on your on your on your car,
Speaker 1: ship him and where this was saying. I was looking
Speaker 1: like they're gonna cancel. But then I thought about it.
Speaker 1: I said, this guy got forty minutes and cancel. Like,
Speaker 1: so that's what I'm saying, Like certain people make it
Speaker 1: to a certain and he's he just one of them.
Speaker 1: Like he talked about ship like I felt like I
Speaker 1: was in the eighties joking concert you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Remember back and didn't no one knew the proper words
Speaker 1: to say, No one knew not to say this don't
Speaker 1: say this like he was just just just going crazy.
Speaker 1: So I said to say that I'm I'm doing another shot.
Speaker 1: You got damn doing another shot. So cast Run DMC
Speaker 1: comes out I did not notice as the drug dealer
Speaker 1: attire outfit because because but then you guys, you guys
Speaker 1: got I pad first come out right friend ship, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? So y'all looking at mother not
Speaker 1: what happened was Russell pattern Run DMC sound behind people
Speaker 1: like my group Cold Crush Brothers, d m C and
Speaker 1: Run will tell you theirself. They you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: they strive to be you know, like the Cold Crush Brothers.
Speaker 1: And but Jay was the street dude. Jay was the
Speaker 1: one who messed out, you know what I mean. He
Speaker 1: had the look of this, so so they adopted his look.
Speaker 1: If you look at them in early days, they had
Speaker 1: Sue Jackison and Mark Nexs all right, and so Jay
Speaker 1: kind of set up there. Look yeah, so Jake kind
Speaker 1: of crafted their their their look. And then from then on,
Speaker 1: you know, the didas thing. They just went through the
Speaker 1: roof with that. That must have been the first time
Speaker 1: hip hop had a right yeah. Yeah, like the course
Speaker 1: like we was we was working with their products. This
Speaker 1: is the first time. But they wasn't working with us, right,
Speaker 1: nobody was then. We wasn't getting no free sneakers nowhere.
Speaker 1: That we had to go to you man on Southern
Speaker 1: Boulevard and I'll be like, come on, man, I need
Speaker 1: those in thirteen. I need to I need to go
Speaker 1: on the back. On the back. You're taking a shot.
Speaker 1: Stottle got damn Stlettlettle. Let's start a little bit about Wallstall.
Speaker 1: How was that while style for me was like a
Speaker 1: stamp of approval that yeah, we wasn't wrong. This ship
Speaker 1: is real. It is important people, do you know want
Speaker 1: to funk with this? Um? When this guy when Charlie
Speaker 1: Ahearn came to our neighborhood and start scouting around and
Speaker 1: shipped to see what was the Bronx. This is you know,
Speaker 1: a guy from Soho you know what I mean, down
Speaker 1: in the Lower east Side, you know, artsy kind of dude.
Speaker 1: This is the business boogie down Bronx at this time.
Speaker 1: This is where every house is on fire. All those
Speaker 1: all those visuals that you see in the Bronze during
Speaker 1: that time, that's during the time that we felt mildstar
Speaker 1: early eighties. So um, but but that was kind of
Speaker 1: like a stamp, you know, for us, that a stamp
Speaker 1: of validation in a sense that the outside world thinks
Speaker 1: this ship is cool too, not just us. They want
Speaker 1: to document this ship. Somebody wants to make a movie
Speaker 1: about this ship. Oh yeah, so that was the first
Speaker 1: of right, well, yeah, there was a documentary about hip hop,
Speaker 1: but about mainly graffiti and breakdancing. That was the name
Speaker 1: of Style Wars. But this was like a movie with
Speaker 1: this was a movie. This was more of a document
Speaker 1: movie documentary. Now watching it looks it feels like a
Speaker 1: reality show documentary because it was like following you guys
Speaker 1: doing what you really do. Well, it's it's all the
Speaker 1: people that was really doing it, the actors except for
Speaker 1: the people, the non hip hop people in the movie. Everybody,
Speaker 1: every graffiti artists, every breakdance to, every DJ, every MC
Speaker 1: was actually themselves in a movie. Wow, you watched to
Speaker 1: go O Style today? You said, right, I got I
Speaker 1: got the VHS right here, I'm having vs. Let me
Speaker 1: see the goddamn vah see the motherfucking VHS. Buddy, goddamn,
Speaker 1: this is this is legendary right here. This is the
Speaker 1: original one that Wow, that's the original right there, man, Jesus,
Speaker 1: Fat five Freddie always had white girls. Every time you
Speaker 1: bring up fat five Freddie, it's a white girl around here.
Speaker 1: Freddie part of that artsy community. Yeah, Freddy facts I wrote.
Speaker 1: I wrote one of his first rhymes, get out of here, man, Jesus,
Speaker 1: I'm taking this ship out of here. I'm shop here. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, wild Style really really kind of validated the
Speaker 1: whole movement. And the first time we went on tour,
Speaker 1: first time we all got on a plane together and
Speaker 1: it was like twenty five of us went to Japan.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, a lot of motherfucking episodes, a lot
Speaker 1: of you know, a lot of fun. I mean the
Speaker 1: first time we was in front of that kind of press,
Speaker 1: it was like everywhere we went, it was a cameras
Speaker 1: following us, you know what I mean. I'm doing for
Speaker 1: like overseas love us more, much more, much more. I
Speaker 1: think it's because they got a greater appreciation our art
Speaker 1: form because they're not connected to it, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. It doesn't come from them, and they're like
Speaker 1: outsiders looking in. So when they when we come there,
Speaker 1: it's like, ah, those are the people in history. I'll
Speaker 1: give you a perfect example when we went to Japan Okinawa.
Speaker 1: You know, we went to Tokyo and UH department store
Speaker 1: called that sponsive tour, So we went to UH. We
Speaker 1: were just hitting different places. We were doing outdoor venues.
Speaker 1: They would build like a stage in like an hour
Speaker 1: and it's like a big stage of sound system and
Speaker 1: we would go on and break dance and wrap and
Speaker 1: DJ and then they take the whole ship down before
Speaker 1: we left, like the whole ship being gone. That's how
Speaker 1: efficient they were back back then. And we would when
Speaker 1: they showed the movie in the theater, we would come
Speaker 1: out on the on the stage out of the movie
Speaker 1: and the whole yeah, the whole the whole movie. Theater
Speaker 1: just went bananas. So we was like the Talk of
Speaker 1: Tokyo and we introduced hip hop to Japan personally, just
Speaker 1: from that movie and that tour. We went to clubs.
Speaker 1: DJ still had the big thick rubber matt on the
Speaker 1: motherfucker turntable and we would get on church and be like,
Speaker 1: could we you know, because you can't cut that. You
Speaker 1: gotta h these niggs looking in amazement like what the
Speaker 1: fund is y'all doing. But by the time we left Japan,
Speaker 1: but we revisited those clubs. They was doing that too.
Speaker 1: Little kids was breakdancing in the street because they saw
Speaker 1: crazy legs and them do exhibition in the streets. So
Speaker 1: we actually were the first impression on Tokyo for hip hop.
Speaker 1: That movie While Style and that tour that took us
Speaker 1: out there. Wow, that's amazing. You think While Style, like
Speaker 1: before While Style, how much do you think the culture
Speaker 1: really felt that it was all these elements were the culture.
Speaker 1: Because there's people who argue like these elements were put
Speaker 1: together to be hip hop. I think I think they were.
Speaker 1: They were gathered together because of their their um, their continuity.
Speaker 1: But between each other, a lot of DJs and graffiti
Speaker 1: writers or b boys or m c s or such
Speaker 1: and such and so into you know, those those elements
Speaker 1: are interwoven within the hip hop. And they say that
Speaker 1: graffiti is not an element of hip hop because graffiti
Speaker 1: has been going on since the beginning of time. Okay, yes,
Speaker 1: we do understand that. But like I said over and
Speaker 1: over again my quote, hip hop didn't invent anything. Hip
Speaker 1: hop reinvented everything. Okay, there's nothing new under the sun.
Speaker 1: We didn't do nothing new. People people play music before us.
Speaker 1: People dance before us, people talk and rap before us
Speaker 1: just like we do. Did it way before we did. Okay,
Speaker 1: but this is our generations reinvention of those elements, and
Speaker 1: that is what hip hop is. I gotta ask, how
Speaker 1: did you come up with the name grand mastercast because
Speaker 1: like you can, everybody can't call youself a Grandmaster. No,
Speaker 1: I mean you can, you can try, you know, But
Speaker 1: the origin of Grandmaster, as far as hip hop is concerned,
Speaker 1: the first hip hop the first DJ named Grandmaster was
Speaker 1: Grandmaster Flowers and Grandmaster Flowers inspired Grandmaster Flash. Um Flash
Speaker 1: was taught by Pete d J Jones, who was also
Speaker 1: a legendary DJ and hip hop Flowers. Um Flash adopted
Speaker 1: Flowers Uh Monica, Grandmaster Flash. How I became Grandmaster? My
Speaker 1: original name in hip hop was casting over dj m
Speaker 1: C casting over Fly. Now one night I'm playing in
Speaker 1: my spot the Blue Lagoon and the Bronx website Avenue
Speaker 1: Honey for me and my man just go with and
Speaker 1: I got some um. By the way, everyone had the
Speaker 1: dopest names back in the day. This is sm SR
Speaker 1: Brand Wizard. Everybody they now baby, big Baby, regular Baby.
Speaker 1: So so I'm cutting up a record now back then
Speaker 1: Flash was the fastest DJ you know, known throughout hip.
Speaker 1: That's when everybody and their grandmother was in the DJ. Alright,
Speaker 1: hippopemunity is small, grand Master Flash, fastest man on two turntables. Right.
Speaker 1: So one night I'm cutting up a record I think
Speaker 1: it was I can't stop and I'm cutting it back
Speaker 1: and forth because that do could do that Dom Cay
Speaker 1: that food, that man, that man, man, man man. I
Speaker 1: just kept catching it. My man was like, Yo, faster, faster, faster, faster.
Speaker 1: The crowd was going faster, faster, faster than started going
Speaker 1: grand master, grand Master. The crowd start going grand master,
Speaker 1: grand master. That's when I became grand master. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: that was mad. I'm saying, go on, I'm gonna tell
Speaker 1: you something. Then moved us out to you. You must
Speaker 1: have made the easiest Netflix money ever. What do you
Speaker 1: mean I watched listen. I don't know if you ever
Speaker 1: saw a State Property too. Anybody who knows me, when
Speaker 1: they watched State Property Too, they say, Nori, you cheated.
Speaker 1: And then I'll say, why did I cheat? Because I
Speaker 1: didn't act at all. I was just I was just
Speaker 1: When I watched the Indian Detective, I said this this guy.
Speaker 1: I know it's true. It's got a real chuckle and
Speaker 1: its fucking phenomenal. I just told it. I watched the
Speaker 1: whole season. I said, this guy's just being him. You
Speaker 1: just check out here. You gotta do it. You gotta
Speaker 1: see your Indian fall. That's very cliche. He goes to
Speaker 1: your Indian ball and he's sick. They don't want to
Speaker 1: tell you he's sick. He was, he was fai. It
Speaker 1: was crazy. I loved it. Come on to make so
Speaker 1: much in the Detective, it's it sounds very racial, but
Speaker 1: it's not ironically because he's actually an Indian detective. Well
Speaker 1: I'm it's calling a detective because I I'm an actual
Speaker 1: detective in Toronto and then I end up becoming a
Speaker 1: detective in India and India. That's why it's not like
Speaker 1: I'm walking to go I am. It's not that at
Speaker 1: all too. That's the holy how do you how do
Speaker 1: you know? How do you know? Cast? Cast? Some cast
Speaker 1: I met from Mel Meli. Mel and I have been
Speaker 1: friends for about six seventeen years. Then then he brought cast.
Speaker 1: He goes, hey man and he was like, yo, Russ,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna bring up we're gonna go out and yeah,
Speaker 1: bring casts with me. I like, fuck, yeah, you crazy?
Speaker 1: How yeah? I just made him say it's for no reason.
Speaker 1: How's your throat? Fel my prison dog? So you met him,
Speaker 1: met him through mal and then we you know, we
Speaker 1: had dinner. We all had a great time. And then
Speaker 1: it just it stayed from there, goddamnit. And now you
Speaker 1: know Cas, Cas and I have very close and you know,
Speaker 1: I know, I said, know his whole family, but he
Speaker 1: got too many kids to know the whole family. But
Speaker 1: he's working on it, working well. It's not like he
Speaker 1: got some kids in Japan. You don't know. He might
Speaker 1: he might have somebody. You see a space and he
Speaker 1: described Japan. I said you have to look at look,
Speaker 1: he said, snake on the I gotta relax, Russell. Would
Speaker 1: you like we gotta get talking about some Yeah, talk
Speaker 1: about you as we talk about Japan. That's a great transition.
Speaker 1: Has some Japanese motherfucker. It's like the shot form. We
Speaker 1: wanted to drinks that I would like to start with
Speaker 1: a beverage. Okay, I don't know what that means. With
Speaker 1: a rock or two. This man the cup? Please yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you, so please. Congratulations smoke chance. Please smoke it up.
Speaker 1: That's you, guys. Smoke it up. Smoke up, smoke it up.
Speaker 1: God damn you know what I'm saying, Grandmaster cast Yeah,
Speaker 1: I need about forty of these. Yeah, we got you. Man,
Speaker 1: throw a couple of rocks. Ice. And yet I don't
Speaker 1: give a ship. I don't. I don't like to touch
Speaker 1: another man. I appreciate you for you a goddamnit. Yes,
Speaker 1: please don't read this for you. I know you would appreciate. Yes,
Speaker 1: I don't appreciate. This is my thumb for me. Queen's
Speaker 1: only only. I'm not matching everything. I'm put it on.
Speaker 1: Wait now, so on right now. During during the plandemic,
Speaker 1: I got very I got very creative, and I started
Speaker 1: coming up with different things that you know, I'm sorry
Speaker 1: that goes with the thing, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, I get down. But one of the things
Speaker 1: with the clothing, you know company, and I started making
Speaker 1: up T shirt designs and stuff like that that was
Speaker 1: relevant to our era that people don't really do. And uh,
Speaker 1: I partnered with this guy and he started, you know,
Speaker 1: we started collaborating. So those are just part of the
Speaker 1: hat collection and we made that especially for you because
Speaker 1: we gotta we gotta join that. That says Bronx keeps
Speaker 1: creating it and you know how to ship nor me.
Speaker 1: Let's let's let's talk about that because when I when
Speaker 1: I'm doing my research, it almost seemed like, I don't
Speaker 1: want to say cool Hurt create hip hop. It seems
Speaker 1: like Cool Herd had these parties that was famous that
Speaker 1: people started to go to where he was playing these music.
Speaker 1: But then there was you guys who came after that,
Speaker 1: and you guys had your own parties. Is that somewhat accurate?
Speaker 1: Let get the later ahead. When Cool Hirk was DJ
Speaker 1: and he was kind of the big guy, was it?
Speaker 1: Was it like August nineteen, which is the anniversary of
Speaker 1: hip hop is coming up in a few days. Okay,
Speaker 1: so he was doing the brand you hit the anniversary
Speaker 1: of hip hop and hip hop months now supposedly in
Speaker 1: the government. August month supposed to be the first hip
Speaker 1: hop party ever, right, the first documented hip hop hip Now,
Speaker 1: let me ask you where you did? I was, Okay,
Speaker 1: I will never claim to be a lot of people
Speaker 1: doing that. Yeah, didn't like the fucking room was wasn't
Speaker 1: as big as space. Okay, it ain't it's not as big.
Speaker 1: It fit about sixties seventy people if they if they
Speaker 1: danced real close together, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: it was more of a family thing, like everybody knew
Speaker 1: everybody that was there. Twenty five cents for girls, fifty
Speaker 1: cents for guys to get in, all right. This is
Speaker 1: back when the exactly pillows. But the thing is not
Speaker 1: that Her convented hip hop, her conspired hip hop for
Speaker 1: the people that eventually became the hip hop like Hercan
Speaker 1: inspired me, hercuspired flash, Hercus fired belly, mel Pam Potta,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Every you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: There was only one rival like DJ to hurt back then.
Speaker 1: His name was Smokey, and people don't talk about Smokey
Speaker 1: a lot smoking of her and the smoke of trons,
Speaker 1: all right, and they used to battle her in the po.
Speaker 1: Smokey could funk with him because he had the records
Speaker 1: and he had the sound system of trying to tell
Speaker 1: you it was another DJ Ja Mario, Okay, from from
Speaker 1: Brons there. Disco King Mario was a force over there,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So these guys in their
Speaker 1: prospective areas held it down. But if you had to
Speaker 1: put them all together. They couldn't sunk with Hurt Sound System, right, right,
Speaker 1: So let me let me ask you, right, because me
Speaker 1: being from Queens, is this only happening in the Bronx
Speaker 1: at this time? Well, here's the thing went downtown at
Speaker 1: some point, Yeah, at some point. But but I want
Speaker 1: to be the first to say that I am the
Speaker 1: last motherfucker to try to say that hip hop was
Speaker 1: only going on in the Bronx. Okay, but if this
Speaker 1: kind of energy exists within us as a people and
Speaker 1: there's nothing that we're doing that somebody ain't over there
Speaker 1: doing at the same motherfucking time. Okay. So you I
Speaker 1: know that there was DJ's in Brooklyn, Okay, I know
Speaker 1: that there was djson Queens. I know there was DJs
Speaker 1: in Manhattan. So she wasn't wrong when he thought that
Speaker 1: hip hop. No, Shan didn't start him to say hip
Speaker 1: hop started for Shad. Hip hop started out in the park,
Speaker 1: and you can't dispute that for nobody. You know, for Russell,
Speaker 1: hip hop started somewhere you know different. He's done his
Speaker 1: research to know beyond that, but he can only tune
Speaker 1: in from a certain perspective, especially back then, whether you
Speaker 1: can't really communicate the way we can use from Canada
Speaker 1: to golds. He'sive, but so okay um now, but I
Speaker 1: want to go back to the question. Who was the
Speaker 1: first one that was cutting the brakes, bringing the brakes
Speaker 1: back to create that that breakbeat, that long breakbeat for
Speaker 1: the B Boys and be Girls Dance too. Hurt played
Speaker 1: him first, Yeah, and then the other DJs like Flash
Speaker 1: and Theodore and break Out perfected how to play them
Speaker 1: because her could player record and then when the break
Speaker 1: of off, lifting needle up and put it back to
Speaker 1: where it started, or just mixing a whole another record
Speaker 1: that sounds totally different. Hert wasn't cool, didn't have those
Speaker 1: smooth blends. He didn't have the you know, turntable um
Speaker 1: mechanics that DJs that followed him did. So now, uh,
Speaker 1: Grandmaster Flash looks at the playlist that HERK is playing
Speaker 1: and saying, Okay, I'm gonna get all those records, but
Speaker 1: I'm gonna play him and do it and do this
Speaker 1: to him, you know, I mean, Graham was the Theatore says, oh, ship, Flash,
Speaker 1: you're gonna leave your equipment in my brother house. Unguarded.
Speaker 1: He gets up on the turn table and advanced scratching. Okay,
Speaker 1: so everybody kind of added to this thing that eventually
Speaker 1: became the culture itself. But our uh, the person we
Speaker 1: looked looked up to was cool, hurt and even later
Speaker 1: on he could be an asshole, okay, but he is
Speaker 1: the father of hip hop as far as everybody that
Speaker 1: you respect in hip hop is concerned. Okay, So you
Speaker 1: can create another narrative and you can take us somewhere else,
Speaker 1: because like I said, nothing, nothing happens in no place
Speaker 1: want you know, by itself. But when they started to
Speaker 1: document hip hop, why did they come to the Bronx
Speaker 1: when they started to want to want to know about
Speaker 1: this and start to If you look at the history,
Speaker 1: it is always Why does it always lead back to us?
Speaker 1: Let's let's leave me to my next question. Right, there's
Speaker 1: a couple of books that said that actually started in
Speaker 1: the Harbor. Is there any true to that? I think
Speaker 1: it's simultaneously. There was a movement going on in Harlem
Speaker 1: as well, but Hallam was influenced by Hollywood. Hall DJ
Speaker 1: har Harder. I don't want to go man, my honey,
Speaker 1: bun hear me something of that young lays He's always
Speaker 1: want to um. But but but the personality of the
Speaker 1: Bronx is, you know, we come from burnt down buildings
Speaker 1: and you know, and ship like that. And Harlem's mentality
Speaker 1: is hustle, you know, the drug dealers, the you know,
Speaker 1: the hustle lifestyle to get money, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: the cars and all that. So Harlom's attitude to the
Speaker 1: Bronx is like the niggas broke up there. And I
Speaker 1: heard Hollywood say that himself. You know, ship niggas in
Speaker 1: the Bronx was broke because it wasn't doing you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, because we we we had a different mentality.
Speaker 1: We were we was the creative mentality, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, and the hustle mentality was the dope dealers
Speaker 1: and the drug dealers. So we created hip hop so
Speaker 1: we didn't have to be drug dealers and donte dealers.
Speaker 1: So now all the drug dealers are dope dealers. Is
Speaker 1: it hip hop? Yeah? I mean, but yeah, originally hip
Speaker 1: hop was made out of those people that you know,
Speaker 1: we didn't want to we don't want to do that.
Speaker 1: We're gonna do this. And when everybody was saying you
Speaker 1: sunk that ship, sunk that ship, we was a fun y'all,
Speaker 1: we're gonna do it anyway. Let me ask you, in
Speaker 1: these neighborhoods and these parties it was coming out, was
Speaker 1: it only locals or what's their people? What? What's that?
Speaker 1: Because we're not looked at a couple of the BEFORETI
Speaker 1: I'm looking at They're saying these early hip hop parties
Speaker 1: and I'm seeing white people. There is these white people
Speaker 1: that lived in the hood. I don't know how early Okay,
Speaker 1: most early early blacks and Porto Rico that's it. I mean,
Speaker 1: makings Caribbeans whatever alternatives and you know, maybe a couple
Speaker 1: of tallis slam but yeah, but yeah, but basically, you know,
Speaker 1: that's what it was. And but it wasn't until like
Speaker 1: not to say it became cool, but when it started
Speaker 1: reaching out past our neighborhoods, you know, white people started
Speaker 1: getting involved as well. There's a couple of white, early
Speaker 1: white dudes in hip hop shot the d j R
Speaker 1: rap or you know what I mean, So that the
Speaker 1: influence is just great. So um. And then also I'm
Speaker 1: watching uh evolution of hip hop and I think it's
Speaker 1: Grandmaster Flash who says, you know what, he's gonna start
Speaker 1: taking it downtown. Was that considered whack for y'all to
Speaker 1: go downtown or was that like, you know what, we're
Speaker 1: gonna gonna gonna follow the bag basically bambada. And when
Speaker 1: we say in downtown, we're not saying hallo, no, no,
Speaker 1: we're talking about downtown, Downtown, the Rocky and and those
Speaker 1: punk rock clubs. The Rocky was Downtown, the rock syn
Speaker 1: was on Hunter eighteen eight, and the punk rock clings
Speaker 1: to that first first started entertaining hip hop as a culture.
Speaker 1: First the dances really opened them up, and then the
Speaker 1: dancing need DJ so the scratching of the DJs. See
Speaker 1: that the punk rock era and the hip hop era
Speaker 1: started rising up at the same time, and both and
Speaker 1: both of them, both of them was the rebellion counterculture
Speaker 1: right to the music that preceded it. So prior to
Speaker 1: hip hop, it was disco. So you know, hip hop
Speaker 1: is like disco, we're gonna do this. Punk rock is
Speaker 1: like funk rock, We're gonna do this. So those same
Speaker 1: energies was was kind of coming together at the same time.
Speaker 1: So that's what opened up the door for hip hop
Speaker 1: to come down into those clubs, into those early punk
Speaker 1: rock clubs and then promoters uh grasp on on to
Speaker 1: the B Boys. The B Boys were captured everybody's imagination
Speaker 1: as far as drawing them in to hip hop music
Speaker 1: to dance. Then the DJs became a main stake, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So the rap element was really
Speaker 1: the last element to really chick in as far as
Speaker 1: people really digging his whole ship as a as a
Speaker 1: whole and downtown, the B Boys led the way. So
Speaker 1: what do you think about when, Okay, all this music
Speaker 1: is going now, is this group called the Beastie Boys
Speaker 1: who are deliberately saying they're not from the hood. That's
Speaker 1: the result of what he's talking about. Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 1: Pretty the beast he started as a punk band. Yeah
Speaker 1: they are. That's where they come from. And and and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest, I mean to be honest, please
Speaker 1: Earlier we all, I mean, from the time these the
Speaker 1: next generation came out, we understood that our our error
Speaker 1: was over. And the more people came out, the worst.
Speaker 1: You know, it's got I'm not the worst, but the
Speaker 1: father away it got from from what we were from
Speaker 1: the source exactly. So the Beastie Boys, for me and
Speaker 1: for some of us, was kind of the defining moment
Speaker 1: like okay, this ship is gone. It's gone. And so
Speaker 1: at first you like, all right, that's cool. Or he
Speaker 1: was like many wilding, there was like college dorm wrap,
Speaker 1: I mean, but who became like okay, you could do anything.
Speaker 1: There's no there's no norm, there's no you know, we weren't.
Speaker 1: We weren't Kumbaya on this ship. Man. Everybody look at
Speaker 1: you know him hub like, oh those guys were and
Speaker 1: the ship was cut thoat man, everybody, for everybody, anybody,
Speaker 1: for thisself. If I'm done with Russ and y'all, y'all
Speaker 1: done with each other, we don't funk with y'all. We
Speaker 1: funk with each other. You might funk with him, but
Speaker 1: we don't funk with you, you know what I mean
Speaker 1: as a whole. And and that's that's how it was,
Speaker 1: you know. And it wasn't until later on. You know,
Speaker 1: now we're all in the same boat. Motherfucker. We Oh
Speaker 1: school girl, ain't you ain't on tour nig right here?
Speaker 1: So could we kind of bonded, you know, you know
Speaker 1: this ship we had in common that our ship then
Speaker 1: fucking sale. So anybody who kind of reached beyond that,
Speaker 1: that that next era. Uh let's like Grand Master Flash
Speaker 1: and the Furious Five for example. Um kind of went
Speaker 1: beyond that first school of hip hop and into the next.
Speaker 1: You know that because because they had commercial success as
Speaker 1: far as records and you know what I mean, but
Speaker 1: they did I mean the next crew. Like I said,
Speaker 1: when the Best Buds came in, it was like a
Speaker 1: more of a signal like this is getting further away
Speaker 1: from us, you know what I mean, because when when
Speaker 1: we don't have no control, one DMC has success, but
Speaker 1: you still identify with one DMC. This was how they
Speaker 1: dressed before you got to the club. BC Boys was
Speaker 1: something that was was different. Well, I think BC Boys
Speaker 1: was a novelty, you know, like to offset in the
Speaker 1: run DMC. Anytime there's a black group that has success
Speaker 1: in business, they created a white counterpart group to rival
Speaker 1: as success or to surpass it, and which the BC
Speaker 1: Boys did surpass the success commercial success a run DMC.
Speaker 1: But if you own both entities, then it's a no
Speaker 1: lose situation for you. Well, running was technically on depth
Speaker 1: jam no no, no, no, I know that it's all Russian,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? You know? So, uh so
Speaker 1: for us, it was like you know, there it is.
Speaker 1: And then as as everybody started coming in, it was
Speaker 1: like a fucking parade, you know what I mean, And
Speaker 1: the LLL came and then oh it's a rap now,
Speaker 1: it's a rap now. But it started, I mean, for me,
Speaker 1: at some point it started getting cool. It was like,
Speaker 1: you know what, this is the next eggers, man, these
Speaker 1: are the niggas. And I would see things in me
Speaker 1: and I know you might not know, but you got
Speaker 1: that ship from me. I can see me and you
Speaker 1: you know. And that's what kept me attached to this ship.
Speaker 1: Everybody that come out, it's part of me, right, no
Speaker 1: it or not. Everybody traced back to me. Talk that
Speaker 1: to him. Another shot for that. So and then we're
Speaker 1: gonna do something called quick time, my slim. But I
Speaker 1: want to ask you a quick because as I did
Speaker 1: the research, like I said, it boiled down to more
Speaker 1: of not really cool her on records, but cool her
Speaker 1: on parties, like throwing these jams that people were coming to.
Speaker 1: Then I started to realize that it was like you
Speaker 1: African Bambada Grandmaster Flash, but this is these parties. These
Speaker 1: tapes were circulating of these you guys actually party. Is
Speaker 1: that accurate? For what I'm saying, like, there was one
Speaker 1: mix tape that started circling around, uh in the I
Speaker 1: think in the early eighties of the late seventies. That's
Speaker 1: the one that everybody credits has for. That's like, that's
Speaker 1: when if you hear DMC do an interview. He always
Speaker 1: been like, yeah, that's every single time. I was like,
Speaker 1: I had that tape and it changed money. I didn't
Speaker 1: I didn't get what you were doing. Its changed on
Speaker 1: my mind. Salute to DMC. Then he just sent me
Speaker 1: d So. So what I'm saying is, um, it was
Speaker 1: these tapes to tape that circle circling around. Was it
Speaker 1: battle tapes or was it party tapes? It was party
Speaker 1: tapes and battle tapes. Yeah, you know at first, Um,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll go back to when if you live
Speaker 1: in my hood and you wanted a B boy tape
Speaker 1: like the jams that you're here at the parties, but
Speaker 1: you ain't got kind of my house, Sit on, sit
Speaker 1: on the couch, what's your name? What's your girl name?
Speaker 1: Where you live at school? You go to who's your
Speaker 1: man's in them? All right? Boom, all right, turn around,
Speaker 1: get on the mic, turn my ship on and then
Speaker 1: played great beasts and just talk about the nigger dropped
Speaker 1: the tape. All that. Now, I wasn't until we started
Speaker 1: doing parties and and and recording the entire party. Those
Speaker 1: are the motherfucker's tapes and started spreading. It became kind
Speaker 1: of a like the holy Grail of hip hop. If
Speaker 1: you want to trace the sound, if you want to
Speaker 1: hear live hip hop at its earliest point, you gotta
Speaker 1: have one of those cassette tapes. It goes back to
Speaker 1: those cassettes. It's got sampled all throughout. So now people yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah people? Is it frivolously? And like I said,
Speaker 1: if we would have had a control of that ship,
Speaker 1: people couldn't just people would get paid for that, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But I've heard numerous samples from
Speaker 1: most school chaps. I think I'm on one for uh back,
Speaker 1: oh yeah yeah, and what are you sample? It's me
Speaker 1: talking at a party. We need to we granted needs
Speaker 1: to check yeah yeah back get the check back. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So so yeah, I mean those those that was how
Speaker 1: people first heard hip hop live. Let so let me
Speaker 1: ask you, right, um, this controversy thing came out. We
Speaker 1: had care rests one on here and when we asked
Speaker 1: care rests one about this. It this was like three
Speaker 1: days old, you know, care Rest he'd be on boats.
Speaker 1: He didn't know what was going on when we asked
Speaker 1: him this question. But it was a controversiy thing that
Speaker 1: came out about African bat bottom right, just stripped the
Speaker 1: thing off the thing. This is one of our forefathers
Speaker 1: of hip hop. But it wasn't only just one thing.
Speaker 1: It wasn't only just one person. There was a couple
Speaker 1: of people that came out and with these allegations. What
Speaker 1: what did what did you think of that? Um? I
Speaker 1: thought it was crazy. I mean, like everybody else, I know,
Speaker 1: at some point people, you know, it was going around
Speaker 1: that the hip hop community knew about this, and the
Speaker 1: hip hop community didn't know about this. Nobody had no evidence, No, um,
Speaker 1: I don't want to cameras. Everything was pretty much speculation
Speaker 1: because you Bam. You never see Bam with you know,
Speaker 1: females that much, you know what I mean, or a
Speaker 1: lot of young guys used to be around Bam, like
Speaker 1: you know, like he had a little legion of young
Speaker 1: cats around him from from Zulu. But other than that, nobody,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, nobody knows so for for
Speaker 1: somebody to say that everybody knew it was a well
Speaker 1: known fact. Now it was no ship like that. I
Speaker 1: was just a show actor, surprise as every fucking body else,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So we're gonna do this,
Speaker 1: this called quick time with slip. It's so very You
Speaker 1: just answer one or the other, both of you, guys.
Speaker 1: And if you say if you say both, you take
Speaker 1: a shot. If you say nothing, neither, you take a shot.
Speaker 1: But if you you answer, then your shot shot. All right? Cool?
Speaker 1: See you want to you want to get your shots
Speaker 1: lined up? We're joining were joining br my Japanese whiske.
Speaker 1: Let me get the jope. Yeah, you see, every glad
Speaker 1: that's the man. The man is right here, keeping with
Speaker 1: the shot. Knock out the whiskey because I don't know
Speaker 1: whiskey guy. The last time I was on, I don't
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Speaker 1: give us a lighting. Man were over held wet sponsor.
Speaker 1: Tell Noriya, we're gonna bust on these. You can be
Speaker 1: a cup. I gonna put you up right now. Baby,
Speaker 1: you gotta keep the coach alive. I've got damn it,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. We also got black old dude,
Speaker 1: say it's over here too. We got some rock to
Speaker 1: old black wana. Ma wanna what is that? Dominican? Is
Speaker 1: a dominican't well knows what it is? This one has wrong?
Speaker 1: My mama? Ain't that the ship dren three? Yeah? Woman Earth,
Speaker 1: you could do vood with this. Yeah, yeah, you know
Speaker 1: it's crazy. Then the other day I got a little
Speaker 1: fucking bottle of mama wanna myers appeared at your house.
Speaker 1: I don't know a little a little left it did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought somebody. I thought some ship was gone wrong
Speaker 1: with the bottle I had that the fucking bark was
Speaker 1: growing them. Oh yeah, that's why I'm good. Shot Glass
Speaker 1: just take that right. Yeah, but poor shot though, motherfucker. Alright, alright, cool,
Speaker 1: are you ready? This one? Is gonna be very I
Speaker 1: know what, I know what you're gonna say. I don't
Speaker 1: know what you're gonna say. Okay, jay Z ornas jay
Speaker 1: Z because the overcar charging niggas, But what they did
Speaker 1: to the goddamnit jay Z, that's a tough question for me.
Speaker 1: It is, yeah, because again Jay has a longevity, but
Speaker 1: to me has the better voice. So you're taking a
Speaker 1: shot for that, I guess I'm taking a shot. Take
Speaker 1: a shot for that complicated they wish DMX or Tupac.
Speaker 1: We're right, DMX, see him looking over you, right, you'll
Speaker 1: see him looking over you. Yeah, all right, so actually
Speaker 1: but yeah, okay, cool, So that's no shot. Okay, eightlies
Speaker 1: hip hop or nineties hip hop. If I had to pick,
Speaker 1: if I had to pick one over the other and
Speaker 1: I wasn't from either era, nineties hip got me on
Speaker 1: that one. Did not think nineties Golden era? All right,
Speaker 1: run them see out the locks? Locks? Wow, he said
Speaker 1: that quickly, too funny style that I love the locks,
Speaker 1: but I gotta ride with run DMC on this. You
Speaker 1: got the hat the locks. I mean as far as
Speaker 1: like lyrical or whatever whatever your criteria. Alright, podcasts or
Speaker 1: radio podcast, podcast, since I have one culturally canceled. Alright
Speaker 1: out now subscribe a radio, have a podcast, have a podcast.
Speaker 1: Rock Him a big daddy came, m hm, he's tough.
Speaker 1: You do get take a shot. If you don't want
Speaker 1: to answer, it's okay. Well if you say both. You
Speaker 1: know that I like how you stuck by the way.
Speaker 1: I love that. I love that. Maybe you know you
Speaker 1: thinking let me help, let me help with the criteria.
Speaker 1: Live is one thing, and on records another thing. We
Speaker 1: did do another shot. Let's tick to the program with
Speaker 1: the fact that you're thinking about it that much. Let's
Speaker 1: take a shot, brog He came, Yeah, I gotta go
Speaker 1: cane as well. And as you're saying the live aspect,
Speaker 1: I'm speaking based on live as I've seen rock Him
Speaker 1: in a couple of times, and I love rock Him alright.
Speaker 1: Rock Him is a fucking game changer. You know what
Speaker 1: he did. He slowed everything the funk down when everybody
Speaker 1: was screaming and ship, yeah, the microphones in cool ship.
Speaker 1: You know, he made his slamet the puzzle. Comp can't
Speaker 1: be mad at him. But I'm I'm a lyricist and
Speaker 1: and proud to say that one of the people that
Speaker 1: rock him looks up to as a mentor as far
Speaker 1: as lyrically, you know what I mean in being MC
Speaker 1: And same thing for Kane, you know what I mean
Speaker 1: that he's to him, im his father as far as
Speaker 1: you know in this game. Yeah, my, but I got
Speaker 1: a different eye when it comes to you know, and
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't say judging, but as far
Speaker 1: as my opinion on on artists, I got a different
Speaker 1: eye than most people. Yeah. I mean if he was
Speaker 1: a master fucking lyricist okay and show person and co
Speaker 1: creator of hip hop, then you could have the same
Speaker 1: vision you know what I mean? And am not? Yeah,
Speaker 1: pretty well, so you went with I want we came
Speaker 1: because I mean as if you put two niggas on
Speaker 1: the mic once it gives you each other. Kane, we
Speaker 1: want to see versus we want to live. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: would have to do it live and can got some
Speaker 1: ship that people even heard that well, just so let
Speaker 1: let's let's go to the next Kumo Dulgi Rap. I
Speaker 1: would have to give the edge to Coolgi Rap though
Speaker 1: I am the DJ for Kumo D you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, And Kumo dmon Kumod myself and Malie Malice
Speaker 1: considered the holy trinity of sucking m c's. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean, the first holy trinity at m c's.
Speaker 1: And but commercially, if you're broke, broken, it stopped. Nigger.
Speaker 1: Oh that's whipping whip. Okay, okay, goddamn it, it's going
Speaker 1: tell them to take a shot where we at. You're
Speaker 1: with y'all, say what's up? I'm on drink Champs. Yo,
Speaker 1: I'm on drink Champs. Y'all with Nori and ain'tbody cans
Speaker 1: with mute his phone. But he's sixty one years older.
Speaker 1: Maybe don't mind, you don't mind, he's Grandmaster Bells. You
Speaker 1: went with Cougi Yeah, yeah, Rick or Duggie Fresh flick again.
Speaker 1: I gotta go with the live, the live aspect, Dougie.
Speaker 1: If you're talking lyrically, are we talking lyrics? Whatever that
Speaker 1: is for you want to be it's really what you
Speaker 1: trying to do. These dresses is supposed to be tough.
Speaker 1: Nobody got a show like Douggie Fresh. Nobody Fresh. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but Douggie hosting a show it will sucking. Make your
Speaker 1: party go? Okay, fat fire Freddy or I love who's
Speaker 1: hosting your party? If you got one person to host
Speaker 1: your ship. I think I give that love of the edge.
Speaker 1: I give that love of the edge. I mean what
Speaker 1: era is what I'm talking about now seeing maybe the
Speaker 1: way too complicated to do Overthink who's got a better
Speaker 1: live show? I mean fab five, Freddie's more, he got
Speaker 1: more white bitches. We established that. Yeah, nobody's also Okay,
Speaker 1: he's also a little more friendly to the people. Loves
Speaker 1: not and love is cool with me. But I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: you see him be a dickhead. Nine seeing him be
Speaker 1: a dickhead. But you seen him signed the autograph. Not
Speaker 1: take a picture. Let's just go. I remember one time
Speaker 1: twenty five years ago, he wanted the limo to himself.
Speaker 1: It's all I'm saying. He kicked you out. No, he
Speaker 1: just wouldn't let nobody in. I mean he's making a
Speaker 1: pay for that love. And I love that lover asshole. Okay.
Speaker 1: MTV raps or rap City or rap City Yeah wow,
Speaker 1: MTV rat Yeah yeah, yeah, fact Okay, big yeah, Big
Speaker 1: big El. I'm I'm a diehard Biggie fan and I
Speaker 1: love big El. He's like right there with it. Okay,
Speaker 1: Red Alert Boosey, be alert. Read Uncle Red Okay, I
Speaker 1: don't know why they got this here, but Wild Style
Speaker 1: of B Street Brucy be my dude, though, that's my dude.
Speaker 1: He came up right under me. Man, But read if
Speaker 1: I was gonna hire somebody, and I could only hire
Speaker 1: one person, that'd be read alert Wild Style of B Street.
Speaker 1: You already it wasn't n B Street Wild Style all day.
Speaker 1: And while Style was the first and west authentic of
Speaker 1: all of all of those movies, the first time I
Speaker 1: saw a Wild Style thought was a documentary. That's what
Speaker 1: we're saying. And you know that version of Wild Sty
Speaker 1: that you have right there, it's the bootleg. It's not
Speaker 1: the boots like it's the but you know, but you
Speaker 1: know he was first. I'll tell you what's different on
Speaker 1: that one is when there's a scene of Grandmaster Flashes
Speaker 1: cutting up live on the original, he's cutting up Marty
Speaker 1: Grass and they couldn't clear it. They couldn't clear audio
Speaker 1: for something else, but you don't even know what it is.
Speaker 1: They put another another beat in there. That's how much
Speaker 1: of a nerd I am for this ship. Okay, And
Speaker 1: two that that's when the movie came out, But that's
Speaker 1: not when that is right, right right. One that came
Speaker 1: out for that was like a yellow copy was just
Speaker 1: it was mad cheap looking. I got it at kmart
Speaker 1: and eighty four. Okay, I'll be sure what he thought
Speaker 1: he was thinking was playing out. I mean you never know, man,
Speaker 1: I'll be sure it was dropping some ship. Just battle
Speaker 1: of the light skin niggers do get got it? I
Speaker 1: gotta give it that else good. Yeah, I mean listen,
Speaker 1: I remember my only compliment that ever got when I
Speaker 1: was like in the early nineties was a girl because
Speaker 1: I had I always wanted to be all, let's pick
Speaker 1: up that girl and the like, I ain't sure, I'll
Speaker 1: be late, I'll be damn orr Fesse, I mean, you
Speaker 1: know the shots like that. Just in case you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You ain't got you ain't got to
Speaker 1: pick anything on jobs. I'll answered before you, just to
Speaker 1: make it easier for you. No, no, I don't need that. Lord.
Speaker 1: Finesse Okay, Finesse is my brother, Like we we lived together.
Speaker 1: So I mean, you know, sounds a little crazy. Not
Speaker 1: like that, okay. That digging in the crate, not digging
Speaker 1: in the crotches. He's no, that is my man. I mean,
Speaker 1: so hey, you look, even Whitey loves Let me just
Speaker 1: say it. We gotta get him on your show. So
Speaker 1: you're going off and I gotta go yeah, And I
Speaker 1: love Guru this one. I really want to dig to
Speaker 1: see what y'all gonna say on this one. DJ Premier
Speaker 1: more Large Professor, DJ, that was very easy, and I
Speaker 1: love I love Large Professor, but Large Pro was like
Speaker 1: in that next conversation, that's why the name is. That's
Speaker 1: why his name is Premier. He's Premier. He's like Large
Speaker 1: Pro was the next Marley m HM Forrell or Kanye creatively,
Speaker 1: who's that shot? My man? My handy blood kaved some
Speaker 1: a bitch. Come on, I'm want you whiskey. I don't
Speaker 1: want you. Come on whiskey. By the way, this is
Speaker 1: no what I'm gonna take a shot. Let's go hold on,
Speaker 1: wait for us. We gotta take my first shot on
Speaker 1: take your shot for my You're taking a shot, Thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you. Take a shot by any of the detective
Speaker 1: brother just go whatever I got ride yeah, okay, do
Speaker 1: your yeah right right, the drink two more drinks? Okay?
Speaker 1: Who is Swiss beat Swiss be? I gotta go with Swizzy,
Speaker 1: Although I love the newness that Tim brought to production,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? His sound was like unique,
Speaker 1: just like Pharrell's was. But I'm more tuned into Swizzies. Okay.
Speaker 1: I look at Swiss, Pharrell, and Tim as the same era.
Speaker 1: They all three came with three different sounds, and you
Speaker 1: knew exactly who you were listening to each time. Damn.
Speaker 1: That was I was about to getting on you for
Speaker 1: your long breakdown. But that was actually great. But it
Speaker 1: wasn't an answer, and but it was not on a breakdown.
Speaker 1: And it's like all three of them, So which one
Speaker 1: you're going with? All Swiss? I'm gonna go with Swiss, Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: I didn't expect that the next of the That's it's
Speaker 1: more of a New Yorker question because I know you
Speaker 1: were the Raptors nick fan. I'm a nick fan from
Speaker 1: one of them. When willis Read? When the when willis
Speaker 1: Read limped out on the motherfucking court, nigger, I was
Speaker 1: still in there, like this, who ship willis just coming out?
Speaker 1: All right? I was watching that ship. Kassie Russell used
Speaker 1: to live next door to me I when I was tapping,
Speaker 1: and then they used to come out go jump in
Speaker 1: the cab go to the garden and there I R Kassie,
Speaker 1: just save me, all right, man, little dude, And I
Speaker 1: mean sometimes a lot tell people I name myself cast
Speaker 1: because Cassie Russell. Right now, you have Cassie Russell right here.
Speaker 1: But Cassy Russell. It ain't no accident better, That's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Okay, So I didn't like this one, but
Speaker 1: I'm gonna asking it. Fat Boys are the Beastie Boys. Seriously,
Speaker 1: I would have to say, musically and everything, I would
Speaker 1: have to give it to the beast Boys, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Boys? I mean, come on, these things
Speaker 1: made classic album, the production behind their their music, the
Speaker 1: themes and all that. I think that that Boys was
Speaker 1: more of a novelty act that it caught on. It
Speaker 1: was like, okay, ship, let's sign them up and you know,
Speaker 1: put out a record. Um. I think the people's longevity
Speaker 1: kind of play out as far as what they originally
Speaker 1: were in this thing in the first place. Um to me,
Speaker 1: if you are this, if you claim to be this,
Speaker 1: then you always that if you are at a certain
Speaker 1: level or whatever this is, and that then that's your
Speaker 1: motherfucking level. Don't you ever come here later on and
Speaker 1: tell me, na, I can't do that no more. What
Speaker 1: the funk? If you was ever great, you're always gonna
Speaker 1: be great. You always want to be great. So if
Speaker 1: you're not great right now, motherfucker. He wasn't great for fun.
Speaker 1: He wasn't great in the first place. You just for
Speaker 1: saying that ship. How many people today I'm sixty one
Speaker 1: years old funk with me. How many people can funk
Speaker 1: with me on the mic right now at sixty one?
Speaker 1: And I'm not just talking about my age. I'm talking
Speaker 1: about period. That's not that's not me bragging. That's the
Speaker 1: fact that I loved this ship. I breathed this ship.
Speaker 1: I am This ship makes a noise for that God. Hello,
Speaker 1: you just feel fasting because like I, I gotta got
Speaker 1: you more questions. Okay, Latifa m c L. I would
Speaker 1: have to give it, damn, damn, damn all the way around.
Speaker 1: Whatever you want. I go like, I like the disagreeing
Speaker 1: now because at first I thought she was just agreeing
Speaker 1: with nine. I'm like, I'm like, like, okay, the one
Speaker 1: ice cube or Scarface, you can take a shot, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? We got the shots ready, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got ready? One right now was cute, I go cute.
Speaker 1: I'm friends with Brad Jordan's but I love y'all call
Speaker 1: him Brad. I ain't calling him Brad ever in my life. Listen, Victor,
Speaker 1: I don't like first and we're not calling l Todd.
Speaker 1: I'm not calling. I'm not never doing that. I do
Speaker 1: call him to all. Actually I don't call me and
Speaker 1: Curtis call him to Tudd. I'm taking got No, that's
Speaker 1: not a shot, that's a drink. Take a shot that yeah, yeah?
Speaker 1: Take who? Sorry Kim or Fox? Now we didn't answer
Speaker 1: that one yet. What we took a shot? Oh, he
Speaker 1: took a shot. Took the shot, Kim or Foxy Brown?
Speaker 1: That one was harsh on me. I gotta go with
Speaker 1: Fox Foxes, that's my girl. You know, I was at
Speaker 1: a thing for I was at a thing, a personal thing.
Speaker 1: And as far as I'm spitting bars Is concerned, I'm
Speaker 1: trying to get her. When she first pulled that ship
Speaker 1: off with Jay Nigga, Yeah yeah, I never see her.
Speaker 1: Nobody pull no ship off like that. Since so I
Speaker 1: gotta I gotta go with Kim because wife, he loves
Speaker 1: Kim like my wife is not being an interviewed right, No, no,
Speaker 1: but I'm saying that's all out here in the house
Speaker 1: is Kim. I'm gonna go with Kim, al right, cool,
Speaker 1: I respect that you gotta go home, all right. Uh,
Speaker 1: this is a good one, actually, n w old tag.
Speaker 1: I gotta go. Yeah, I gotta go outcast or MAFTI me,
Speaker 1: that's easy, creatively outcast mob deep all day. For me,
Speaker 1: it's the m O bib from you from your party.
Speaker 1: Come on, come on, I can't quote lyrics for ship.
Speaker 1: All right, all right, I got your stuff and this
Speaker 1: is this is this is this is the last one
Speaker 1: she heard of Official Queen's murder kick shots to ship
Speaker 1: with all those who want to profile, to pose rocky
Speaker 1: in your face, with you alone in the street, because
Speaker 1: itself of this land. We'll be gunning to keeping your
Speaker 1: cruise running. Really supposed to they come around, but they
Speaker 1: never come close to and you can see inside your
Speaker 1: face you wrong place, your whole body lay stuff but
Speaker 1: bullet holes and such. Listen the last one, that's a
Speaker 1: trans Yeah, I love it. Let's get it kicking pri
Speaker 1: or master flex h that's easy. It's easy. Yeah for me,
Speaker 1: I gotta go kick a pre kicking pree come from me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's my hood. That's my calling them pooch wow. Okay,
Speaker 1: we don't we don't call you're going you're going to
Speaker 1: three all day. But we're not fronting on Master Flex,
Speaker 1: are we. I'm fronting on from No. No, you're giving
Speaker 1: me a choice between motherfucker's with all cool because let
Speaker 1: me just tell you what you want to do. Can
Speaker 1: preach my brother, But I still don't see people with
Speaker 1: the same passion as Master Flex, like, um, like what
Speaker 1: I mean? What I mean? It was like a time
Speaker 1: where the music just shifted, right, it shifted to get
Speaker 1: into this new generation, and I really see master Flex study.
Speaker 1: The new generation just told him to transition. And to me,
Speaker 1: that's like, you know, there's a lot of DJs that
Speaker 1: they didn't when when it stopped being vinyl. They wouldn't
Speaker 1: go to see these when it stopped being ce these
Speaker 1: they like, there's a lot of people that don't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're definitely like this at the final he likes Kring Crates,
Speaker 1: I don't like Karen Crazs. He like all my records
Speaker 1: to the party. Yes, yes, So my my point of
Speaker 1: that is not let's read it. But what I'm saying
Speaker 1: is I've never seen someone's so focused like to to
Speaker 1: not only be a legend here, but then to learned
Speaker 1: the craft of the new way. And I've never seen
Speaker 1: nobody like that, don't you think because commercially that was
Speaker 1: his job. That's differently, if you want to survive on radio,
Speaker 1: if you want to stay where you are up on radio,
Speaker 1: you gotta know who's new. You gotta know what's going on.
Speaker 1: You gotta you chump me up and round up and
Speaker 1: just get with that next generation, because that's that's where
Speaker 1: you're gonna beat. That's where you hopefully you're gonna be
Speaker 1: and if you establish a relationship with him, you're always
Speaker 1: gonna be in again. You ain't old school, you ain't
Speaker 1: old head or whatever. That's like the fucking dreaded. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Monica about generate old head? I
Speaker 1: mean old head and old school is different. O G
Speaker 1: too as well. That's that's what I meant to say.
Speaker 1: That when they say o G, they just they'll be
Speaker 1: trying to say you just oh. Sometimes it's not Sometimes
Speaker 1: up man them coming big broke. I'm like, wait a minute, families,
Speaker 1: this but yeahn't one older than you? You big hey,
Speaker 1: big bro How does that happen, and you're more knowledgeable
Speaker 1: than that, apparently the new slang. Yeah, y'all don't like
Speaker 1: being called old g at all, big home. You don't
Speaker 1: like none of that. I'm a white beard. I don't
Speaker 1: take it. Listen, man, I've been I checked out your
Speaker 1: movie Coming Home. You're working on that? Yo? Which one?
Speaker 1: Which one? Did you see? Yeah? Yeah? We released it
Speaker 1: with Rock the Bells right now we're releasing yeah, because
Speaker 1: I've been thinking he's not coming home sometime. I don't
Speaker 1: like that. But this ship is fucking amazing, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Congratulations got there. That's the real ship,
Speaker 1: so we don't correct real. And speaking of Rock the Bells,
Speaker 1: I'm about to join the Rock the Bells family. Well
Speaker 1: already have DJM me and I got a Show the
Speaker 1: Bells Radio. Um, and I'm kind of you know, I'm
Speaker 1: kind of pumped about that. That platform, oh definitely, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. L l is a is a
Speaker 1: visionary and uh, I think he once he saw the
Speaker 1: platform that he could create in the lane that nobody
Speaker 1: really is really addressing right now, which is, uh, you
Speaker 1: know the Pioneers, the legends, you know the game and stuff,
Speaker 1: and you know and I appreciate y'all like that. Like
Speaker 1: I said, it's like when you see artists of the
Speaker 1: magnitude of ecstasy from who comes to specific I mean,
Speaker 1: and uh, just more recently business, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Producer Chuck Thompson, you know, Fred the Gods Market and
Speaker 1: Prince Yeah, Markie Den, you know, the list goes on.
Speaker 1: It's like you definitely start to appreciate who's left, you know,
Speaker 1: if you got anything and you know in you and
Speaker 1: there's something that you ever decided to do before, which
Speaker 1: I think you know, you guys have had this in
Speaker 1: your mind and in your hearts for a long time
Speaker 1: before this ever happened. You know, you had it in
Speaker 1: your head that yo niggas. We need to get these
Speaker 1: niggas some kind of recognition anything. It's some kind of
Speaker 1: and and it's contagious. I mean, like you didn't create
Speaker 1: the Turn, but not you. It's like Michael didn't create
Speaker 1: the fucking Moonwalk, but you got everybody in the fucking
Speaker 1: world doing you know what I mean, same thing with Legs.
Speaker 1: He didn't start rock Steady Crew, but he's the face
Speaker 1: of it. Wow, that's what's well, you know for us, man,
Speaker 1: You know. Um, you know, like I said, we met
Speaker 1: each other. You know, he was mixtape DJ and a
Speaker 1: rep for for the label. So I used to come
Speaker 1: out here all the time and me and him, me
Speaker 1: just seeing like his pure hip hop ship, Like he
Speaker 1: don't he just want to spend on vinyl. And I've
Speaker 1: been trying to tell get Sarato or something. I don't
Speaker 1: even got Seratto man at STO, nobody used come on,
Speaker 1: they just because they sponsor, you don't mean to me
Speaker 1: when I got so I'd like to put I really
Speaker 1: like to tell the truth. Our show is about interviewing legends, right,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna be honest with you. You're a Raal
Speaker 1: rail Rail first legend for real. You know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't disrespect to anybody that's ever been on this show,
Speaker 1: but when you look at your history and like you said,
Speaker 1: you you are the co creator. You know what I'm saying, like, like,
Speaker 1: there's nothing that can take away from that. And I
Speaker 1: just want to tell you that to your face, how
Speaker 1: much we respect you, how much we love you, how
Speaker 1: much we funk with you, and how much we appreciate
Speaker 1: it because like I said, um, we've been doing this
Speaker 1: almost six years. This is the funnest research you've ever done, because,
Speaker 1: like I said, I every time I was looking at something,
Speaker 1: I was learning something. And this is the reason why
Speaker 1: I wanted to tell these new artists that you know,
Speaker 1: you know you these new artists were reference of Michael Jordan.
Speaker 1: They were like, like Jordan six like nigger, You wasn't
Speaker 1: even born in Jordan. Why you don't know about grand
Speaker 1: Master cast Why you don't know about grammars at Theodore,
Speaker 1: Why you don't know about you know whatever, whatever, whatever?
Speaker 1: And And it's like if you can do that with basketball,
Speaker 1: you don't get paid off a basketball. You're little Dirk.
Speaker 1: You get paid from m C and you get paid
Speaker 1: from So wouldn't it be dope to go learn your
Speaker 1: own fucking craft. One of the problem is the tree
Speaker 1: was there when they came. They didn't care where the
Speaker 1: roots were planted. They didn't want to know about the see,
Speaker 1: they just wanted to know about the new leads. But
Speaker 1: they wore the Michael Jordan's They wore it and then anything.
Speaker 1: They wanted to know why the sixes were sixes, And
Speaker 1: they want to know why the sevens were sevens and
Speaker 1: why are they so famous. Why can't do that with
Speaker 1: hip hop? Why you can't go back there and realize
Speaker 1: that there was people that came before you. You understand
Speaker 1: I'm saying, I'm I'm a I'm one of them. I
Speaker 1: need to know about everything. If I like something, I
Speaker 1: want to know from from the beginning to now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm like that. I love I love doing research. Now.
Speaker 1: When we first started this, you do nothing. But now
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is like, actually good. I know the
Speaker 1: Google Now I didn't know the Google vote. It's knowledge,
Speaker 1: that's the input. That's input, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: So let me ask you, do you do you feel appreciated? Uh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah I do. I do from from the community of
Speaker 1: hip hop, I feel appreciated, right, Um, Friendships that I
Speaker 1: made because of hip hop and because of people's appreciation
Speaker 1: for for for me and in hip hop are the
Speaker 1: things that you know, you know, our value and those
Speaker 1: are the things that keep me involved and keep me
Speaker 1: going and not just as a participant as an artist himself,
Speaker 1: because right now, you know, I ain't running around still
Speaker 1: trying to get a record deal, and those ships like that,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I pick and choose what
Speaker 1: I want to do, and hopefully I built up a
Speaker 1: resume large enough. But you don't not to have to
Speaker 1: prove nothing to anybody. You just look it up like
Speaker 1: like you did, be like, Okay, that's that nigga, let's
Speaker 1: bring him on the show. Oh yeah, yeah yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I definitely feel appreciated. I've made associate with people like
Speaker 1: this brother, and he's connected me and you know, with
Speaker 1: so many things and so many people because that's what
Speaker 1: he does. He's like a fucking networker who you know,
Speaker 1: no really really really one person go you go up
Speaker 1: with one person, go through, and on the other side,
Speaker 1: it's like this bunch like that like some ship over
Speaker 1: there here, like you got two when you come out
Speaker 1: here and you know everybody over there. And he lives
Speaker 1: with yes with him, Yeah, he's downstairs. I'm upstairs in
Speaker 1: the same room we look for Let's reduced on my
Speaker 1: first album, Yes and the warri Point she did. Now,
Speaker 1: I gotta ask you, do you remember a young Fat Joe? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Fat Joe grew up in the neighborhood that I grew
Speaker 1: up in. But you know, years later, okay, um, my
Speaker 1: first knowledge of Fat Joe. He had a crew called
Speaker 1: Full Eclipso okay. And one of the members of full
Speaker 1: Eclips was family too, one of my son's mother. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, this ship is crazy, man, any question you
Speaker 1: asked me, I can connect to myself somewhere. I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to do this ship. You do it perfect. You
Speaker 1: deserve your flowers. Be game to you too. Put on
Speaker 1: that case. Look at that case. That's real real flowers.
Speaker 1: That's real flower last five years and mynas goal just
Speaker 1: but but but that's how that's how I first found
Speaker 1: out about Fat Joe. You know what he told me,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, this and that this and
Speaker 1: that my nephew is down with you know this guy
Speaker 1: Fat Joe and such and such, And I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: And then you know the songs I would you know,
Speaker 1: start coming out of this and that other people care arrests,
Speaker 1: start talking about him. So of course you wrapped the bronx.
Speaker 1: I know about you. I'm somewhere near close for watching,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I've been about three
Speaker 1: of Joe's videos. Probably didn't notice whatever, So let me
Speaker 1: let me ask you. And this is probably a generic question.
Speaker 1: This Curtis Blow named Curtis Blow because he was doing
Speaker 1: Curtis blow I mean it's that's a legit question though.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's there's a reason why Superhead is Superhead.
Speaker 1: Maybe she was a superhero. Bro that's not for me
Speaker 1: to say. I mean, it's the rule was. Come on,
Speaker 1: I even got round. I got you know, I funk
Speaker 1: with music when i'm DJ and and I like make
Speaker 1: references to like, yo, you know Curtis Blowy. But no,
Speaker 1: I mean no, I don't. I don't think that's why
Speaker 1: his name is Curtis blow And when you Curtis, Let's
Speaker 1: be clear. Back in the days, cold was considered like
Speaker 1: that was like, oh definitely was Liken the coach started,
Speaker 1: you know, becoming you know, available to like to hip hop.
Speaker 1: You've been a studio fifty four? Yeah? Yeah, how was it?
Speaker 1: I never thinkerpop? She was Wow, she was wild. She
Speaker 1: think upop something the studio? Futyore did I or what
Speaker 1: I did? You did? I know? What would you? I
Speaker 1: went up? Yo? What it's been good. I'm a tune
Speaker 1: of baby at you making the studio before I went
Speaker 1: up in a few people in the Lime like that.
Speaker 1: You know the Lime light is open right now. It's
Speaker 1: Jude Long Club. Get the fut it's the church, that's
Speaker 1: that restaurant is that's not like yo. Yeah, by the way,
Speaker 1: New York seen me the city in the world. We
Speaker 1: made a club of church exactly. How how do you
Speaker 1: knowing that? For twenty five years, no one thought like, yo,
Speaker 1: this is yo. That kind of y'all did not ignore it.
Speaker 1: Y'all knew what you're walking into a church. Ignore it.
Speaker 1: Act like I didn't know where I was at. He
Speaker 1: became you know, you have to walk past a lot
Speaker 1: of things that were like that. You don't do in
Speaker 1: that motherfucker there. Well do you think and this is
Speaker 1: a generic question, but at one point, in order to
Speaker 1: be an artist who had to perform in New York City,
Speaker 1: Latin quarters, the couple cabanas, all of this, Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: it was there was like a what do you call it?
Speaker 1: The chicken the chipling circuit. There was a chipling circuit
Speaker 1: in hip hop down South. No, but I'm making reference
Speaker 1: to that, but it was the same kind of mentality.
Speaker 1: It was like, all right, you gotta play here. Now,
Speaker 1: you gotta play You want to expose up here uptown,
Speaker 1: you gotta go play here, all right? You want them
Speaker 1: to know you down and over to such such you
Speaker 1: gotta play here and then you do that until the
Speaker 1: man picks up for you. Now, now people call you
Speaker 1: to where they want you want you to come back
Speaker 1: to over here, But I want you to go back
Speaker 1: to over here. Yeah, I mean, we was one of
Speaker 1: the first caster just start going outside of the city limits,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Bronx west Chester, Connecticut, Jersey.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. We had parties in each
Speaker 1: town every time everybody who had a skating rink, we
Speaker 1: was in that motherfucker perform at Bridgeport, Connecticut, New Haven, Connecticut.
Speaker 1: They're very Connecticut. Or I mean, I got arrested in Chickapee, Massachusetts.
Speaker 1: There's fired for having spikes on, having spikes on you know,
Speaker 1: you know we used to wear that spice. You know
Speaker 1: your money though, because Lubaton took yall spikes ship and
Speaker 1: made a hip hop again. But then they put it
Speaker 1: on shoes, said you liked shoes. No, One of my
Speaker 1: favorite lines is one of yours. What Lubaton sneakers with
Speaker 1: the spikes for the wear those I don't wear tho?
Speaker 1: I think even knowing that, Yeah, yeah, but but damn wrestler,
Speaker 1: you just you just a rich sneaker would running around
Speaker 1: with s Gards. This is I had him, I had
Speaker 1: it brought in. You know what is that kind of
Speaker 1: s Gards? That's Romeo and Juliet Oh. I love Roman,
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank This is this is a Judio and Fulia.
Speaker 1: They wrote from the same people. I threw him in
Speaker 1: from Peru. He's a Peruvian wrestler and he wrote weed
Speaker 1: on the side. You know what I mean, I job,
Speaker 1: what a job? I got a job, like said the
Speaker 1: Peruvian prince, the king of Kaludes. Okay, I didn't catch
Speaker 1: that line back in the days. Now it makes sense
Speaker 1: there you go, now what I mean. So yo, guys,
Speaker 1: because this is this is really truly an honor man
Speaker 1: when I really look like I did, like I said,
Speaker 1: I did the research and I'm seeing that and I'm
Speaker 1: seeing these parties like hip hop got to see m
Speaker 1: I actually don't know how to articulate this, but what
Speaker 1: I'm saying is, but what you gotta what kind of cigars? That? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's from Puerto Rico, the country makes Yeah, this looks nice. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: I spoke to I love the spoken that man wanted
Speaker 1: them that looked like the christwn little so hip hop.
Speaker 1: I actually, did you ever think of hip hop? Make
Speaker 1: it this fall? And you said no, I didn't. I
Speaker 1: didn't like I said. If I would, I would have
Speaker 1: invested in it. You know, the people who couldn't do
Speaker 1: what we did did what we couldn't do. That I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say it one one time. The people who couldn't
Speaker 1: do what we did did what we couldn't do. And
Speaker 1: Russell Simmons can't rap, can't break dance, that's a great transitor.
Speaker 1: Can't dj, you know what I mean. He can't do graffitia,
Speaker 1: So what was your first But he did go to
Speaker 1: college and he did get a degree, and he did
Speaker 1: he understands the business of business, business and so he
Speaker 1: took that and uh, the rest is history. So it
Speaker 1: was your first impression, like when you see in Russell
Speaker 1: coming around, Because there were other than um. When we
Speaker 1: spoke about earlier, the sugar Hill Gang, I think you
Speaker 1: said her name was Sylvia, Sylvia Robbins, Sylvia Robinson. Other
Speaker 1: than that, there wasn't a lot of black executives. I
Speaker 1: was imagine that sugar Hill Gang was probably the first ones. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, oh yeah, because they were independent labels Okay,
Speaker 1: you gotta understand, um, major labels would not funk with
Speaker 1: hip hop, and earlier days they didn't believe in it.
Speaker 1: They didn't think it would last. They thought it was
Speaker 1: just a fad or a trend or whatever, and they
Speaker 1: didn't want to invest in it. Curtis Blow was the
Speaker 1: first hip hop artist to a sign to a major label.
Speaker 1: Had Christmas Wrap Christmas Trap and didn't come out before
Speaker 1: the break later on. So let me ask y'all. Let
Speaker 1: me ask y'all that you definitely particularly wasn't that kind
Speaker 1: of commercial to make a rap about Christmas. You've got
Speaker 1: them right. But guess what, all right, guess what every
Speaker 1: year after Thanksgiving that record plays from that day on
Speaker 1: motherfucker all the way to Christmas New Year, over and
Speaker 1: over and over. So you tell me we love you.
Speaker 1: Curtis Blow got damn smart, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: That was smart And that was one of the advantages
Speaker 1: that having a major label behind ain't you. You got
Speaker 1: a team, You got people who know the music business
Speaker 1: behind you. They're gonna hire the people that you need.
Speaker 1: They're gonna hire a fucking band, they're gonna hire producers,
Speaker 1: they're gonna hire if you need this. They're gonna bring
Speaker 1: that in. They're gonna all that. So you got all that.
Speaker 1: How the fun can you miss? As opposed to somebody
Speaker 1: who's doing something independently, even though they're doing better work
Speaker 1: independent artists are doing. I mean, come on, Bobby, the
Speaker 1: ship that the Enjoy Records that they did Pumpkin and
Speaker 1: All Stars, their bandage they did on is fucking incredible,
Speaker 1: and at some point that ship is gonna be I
Speaker 1: mean it's it's legendary, it's legendary. Sugar Hill Band, the
Speaker 1: sugar Hill ban that they did for sugar Hill Records, yeah,
Speaker 1: not sugar Gang, the band that played with the Gang
Speaker 1: that stole by record. And then do Booty, Yeah, do
Speaker 1: Booty who wrote the message? Not not that duke Booty,
Speaker 1: not a dooky booty, but you just hit me with
Speaker 1: two balls. First of all, you name it a dude
Speaker 1: named duke Booty, that's one. But then he's there, he
Speaker 1: wrote the message. Don't push me. I'm close to them,
Speaker 1: Try and not to lose mind right there. Wait wait wait, wait,
Speaker 1: wait wait, you're going too far right now, I'm hearing
Speaker 1: good not trying to cameraman, just got happy to singing reggae.
Speaker 1: Holy Moly, mo, I don't know where you're going with this, kid. Booty,
Speaker 1: by the way, we just gotta say Pauls every time.
Speaker 1: That's rest in peace. Duke Booty Okay was a member
Speaker 1: of sugar Hill Band and he wrote um the message
Speaker 1: and Sylvia Robinson wanted the sugar Hill Gang to do it,
Speaker 1: but they didn't want to do it. She was too slow.
Speaker 1: A matter of fact, nobody wanted to do it, and
Speaker 1: so Duke Booty did it, and they put Mellie melt
Speaker 1: on it to do the rhyme that he did broken Glass,
Speaker 1: So he wrote Melly's no book Glass everywhere that ain't
Speaker 1: do Booty wrote that the whole song did mel right anything,
Speaker 1: don't push me. Duke Booty wrote that the music for
Speaker 1: a Grand Master Ustion figs five. His name was ed
Speaker 1: Fletcher May he rested. That's Duke Booty and know that
Speaker 1: what Mellie. I'm sorry, I'm gonna say. Davy d did
Speaker 1: the music for I Fire Ruled the World, all right.
Speaker 1: That's a whole nother sorry different Dective. So yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: It was his idea and his song, and Sylvia wanted
Speaker 1: to Sugar Gang to do it. They don't want to
Speaker 1: do it. Want the Furious Five do it. They didn't
Speaker 1: want to do it, so she got Mel to do it.
Speaker 1: We do booty. So Meller is reciting do booties. You know,
Speaker 1: broken glass everywhere people pissing up. Mel wrote the last
Speaker 1: verse in the message child is born with no state
Speaker 1: of mind, blind to the way. He's a man God
Speaker 1: that smell And that was taken from super rapping from
Speaker 1: this song with the Furious Five on Enjoy Records. Damn,
Speaker 1: that record was two sides, so super rapping part one.
Speaker 1: It was like twenty minutes each side, just NonStop rapping,
Speaker 1: was super rapping. It was super rapping. So I mean
Speaker 1: you didn't know that, right, yeah? Yeah? So And like
Speaker 1: I said, rest in peace to d Fletcher and his family,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. He just passed away recently.
Speaker 1: So what's that Like the thing back then is to
Speaker 1: have somebody else because that's like never that was what
Speaker 1: you're saying. That's partly the record ship. Thank you, thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you. If you gotta understand that, prior to the
Speaker 1: record industry being involved in hip hop, there was certain
Speaker 1: ethics and ship, you know what I mean, there was
Speaker 1: like a code you know written or unwritten, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, you don't bite people ship, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, You got ridiculed for that ship. There
Speaker 1: was nothing written down that said that. But nigger, you
Speaker 1: don't do ship like that. That's how it was so
Speaker 1: for somebody to say somebody else ship and then I
Speaker 1: mean in a big forum and and and you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, like benefit from that actually was unheard of.
Speaker 1: You get ridiculed for that type ship. But the record
Speaker 1: industry don't have no fucking rules, they don't have no morals.
Speaker 1: And that was considered the first reality rap pretty much
Speaker 1: pretty much. Ye, the message is considered the first one
Speaker 1: that dealt with you know, urban issues and the consitions
Speaker 1: that existed, you know, in our neighborhoods and ship like that.
Speaker 1: It was I mean it fucking Grammy Hall of Fame,
Speaker 1: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: from that record alone, these guys, you know, not just
Speaker 1: that but and the rest of the thing they've done,
Speaker 1: you know, but that being the pinnacle that that message.
Speaker 1: But and y'all were cool back there because like it
Speaker 1: was like a little drama between the crews. We wasn't cool, No,
Speaker 1: it wasn't cool. It wasn't cool. You gotta understand, you
Speaker 1: gotta understand um when Melling mellan them, and and when
Speaker 1: the Furious Five, I keep saying, that's my brother. But
Speaker 1: when the Furious Five got signed sugar Hill, they left
Speaker 1: the streets. Prior to that, we was all in the streets.
Speaker 1: We was all by info. Who's the best in the Bronx,
Speaker 1: So who's the best in the New York or who
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Doing these different you know,
Speaker 1: And once they got signed, they left and then once
Speaker 1: they saw going on a tour, there was nobody left.
Speaker 1: So we would like scrambling to to fill that vote. Well,
Speaker 1: were the next niggers after them? That's gonna take the throne?
Speaker 1: Or whoever's the best in New York I mean. So
Speaker 1: that was the Fantastic Five and us the Funky Four
Speaker 1: had got signed the sugar Hill as well, so it
Speaker 1: was off with the Furious Five Jersey label at the time,
Speaker 1: it was a Jersey label, but it was the factory
Speaker 1: that they were recording all this Now and we're still
Speaker 1: doing jam in all the world ship like that. Well
Speaker 1: we're doing shows and getting paid, but we're still doing
Speaker 1: a lot of performances. We're not signed on tour. This
Speaker 1: is amazing, this is then you've got Treacherous three. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I love how you change the subject. What's what I'm
Speaker 1: just saying to keep it moving. I'm saying, you got
Speaker 1: and then got signed who they get signed to? They
Speaker 1: got shign to sugar Hill because most of the most
Speaker 1: of the acts that were first signed to. It's crazy.
Speaker 1: It's like a migration from whatever group you and now
Speaker 1: to the next group that's gonna take you the way
Speaker 1: you want to go, even from history. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: group popping my first MCS. You know, when they left me,
Speaker 1: they went to d J Charlie Chase. And when they
Speaker 1: left Charlie chasing them, they went to the Fantastic or
Speaker 1: they went to keV Kevin them and they became the
Speaker 1: Fantastic Five. Yeah. I mean, and it's the same with
Speaker 1: this ship right here. It's like you know, you you know,
Speaker 1: group happen to get to where the fun you're trying
Speaker 1: to go. And Sequence was on sugar Hill, and Sequence
Speaker 1: had Angie Stone in the group. Really, Andie Stone was
Speaker 1: part of Sequence. You ain't know that and Stone and Stone,
Speaker 1: Angie Stone and Baby Mama and he's seventy nine. I'm
Speaker 1: going funk you right on the Little fun She says
Speaker 1: in Everything Record, Wow, Stone, I would have never thought. Okay,
Speaker 1: and she smashed the Angelo. Let's be clear. Definitely got
Speaker 1: a baby, Definitely got a But yes, you have to
Speaker 1: be something. That's what Stone on drink ch we do
Speaker 1: we do and Angelo not to get before d' angelo.
Speaker 1: Andre Stone married to a little rod they see from
Speaker 1: the Funky four plus one see it Rodney Stone. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's a lot of people. Hey, listen, you ain't got
Speaker 1: me up here for no fucking reason. No ship, and
Speaker 1: I ain't saying ship people don't already know. But like God,
Speaker 1: why don't mean Google? We got the real got this
Speaker 1: Google right, grand Master Google. Let me ask Google master cast.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you right. If you could put the
Speaker 1: five everyone always asked the top five dead are alive?
Speaker 1: I'm not going to ask you that. What is if
Speaker 1: you could put the top five fathers and hip hop fathers,
Speaker 1: like how the FBI got you know, FBI w Dobie wanted.
Speaker 1: They'll put They'll with Gotti head and help with I'll
Speaker 1: copy down and signillary and all that. If you could
Speaker 1: do yours the top five hop fathers and godfathers. I
Speaker 1: would like to hear it in order. You don't have
Speaker 1: to be in order. It has to be if you're
Speaker 1: putting in that way, that's not the man. You're saying
Speaker 1: godfather and father. There's got to be in some kind
Speaker 1: of order, Okay, But you can't have the godfather before
Speaker 1: the father before the all. It all, it all, it
Speaker 1: all starts with Core. Write for me and for everybody,
Speaker 1: that's where I come from. I'm on the west side
Speaker 1: of the Bronx. I lived up on the next block
Speaker 1: from Core Centwick Avenue, fail in Place. Okay. So when
Speaker 1: I was young and impressionable and the block would clear
Speaker 1: out and go down to fucking block all, you know,
Speaker 1: the whole block of clear out, I'll be like, what
Speaker 1: the funk is going on? But I'm you know, I'm
Speaker 1: thirteen fifteen. You we're going to cool Hirk party. We're
Speaker 1: going to cool Hirk party. So I wasn't able to
Speaker 1: go to cool work party. But you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm like, this must be some ship. And then when
Speaker 1: he started playing outside, I got the opportunity to see him,
Speaker 1: and from that time, you know, I aspired to be
Speaker 1: a DJ like Cool Hurt, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: and everybody else once they caught the bug that we
Speaker 1: call hip hop. Now, um, we're mainly inspired by by
Speaker 1: Cool Hurt, you know what I mean. Everybody else popped
Speaker 1: up afterwards and popped up, you know, as a result
Speaker 1: of or or c N or being inspired by and like, yo,
Speaker 1: I want to do that. So you know the Blackout
Speaker 1: seventy seven, that's when you got your equipment. You know,
Speaker 1: I have my equipment already, but I got before. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, because it's just a focused So
Speaker 1: we got Cool Hirk. He your father, the father. He
Speaker 1: is the father, or the grandfather, to be even more correct,
Speaker 1: the fall. Let's give him the fall. He's the father. Yeah, now,
Speaker 1: as you go on, grandfather, but but originally father. You
Speaker 1: got this is I ain't talking about the world of
Speaker 1: hip hop to rad maaster cast what was your name? Casting?
Speaker 1: Noble fly A S and the O V A and
Speaker 1: the rest is fl I still think we deserve royalties
Speaker 1: off that. Yeah, listen, we're gonna ship. We need to
Speaker 1: figure that out. I like Leland Robinson, somebody she's gonna
Speaker 1: hear about back Page that's set up with a backpage,
Speaker 1: is that, Paige? No, back page? Yeah, page, don't even
Speaker 1: he's talking about reparations. Yeahpation. He's talking about back page.
Speaker 1: That's the point of ship. That's a point on ship.
Speaker 1: He said, No, I didn't saying that. He said back page.
Speaker 1: He went to back you want to go in right?
Speaker 1: All right? So number one I need to hear two, three, four?
Speaker 1: Who stems from her? Then? No, no, no, I want
Speaker 1: to according to you, I don't give an it's politically correct.
Speaker 1: I think what you your perspective Africa, Vambada too right
Speaker 1: after her or one of like there were a couple
Speaker 1: of people, but they didn't like last long enough in
Speaker 1: the landscape, you know what I mean? Yeah, to make
Speaker 1: the kind of impact maybe to me because I knew,
Speaker 1: but not to enough people, like enough people know the
Speaker 1: DJ that I would talk about, you know what I mean? Um,
Speaker 1: so I would have to say Flash, Um was the next.
Speaker 1: So if there's like an amount of rushmore of hip
Speaker 1: hop DJs and of course cooler, cooler Vamba grand Master Flash,
Speaker 1: if we talking about hip hop period people, Um, I
Speaker 1: would have to add um Melie mel said that and
Speaker 1: probably myself to the other side, Damn you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, and that would be the five. If you
Speaker 1: want to ask them, you can ask them. Oh, I mean,
Speaker 1: of course we can ask. I mean, come on, a
Speaker 1: J d J A J I mean promoter. I mean
Speaker 1: he was more of a promoter than he was a DJ.
Speaker 1: But the nigga wrote, if I rule the world, I'm
Speaker 1: scared to ask. Why the funk? Am I here? What
Speaker 1: I'm saying? Okay, J Curtis world, the whole thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of ship right now. We are out of
Speaker 1: my childhood as well. Not a bad thing. I'm just
Speaker 1: saying that for a very long time. Yeah, they was
Speaker 1: daring with each other and goes right. And what once
Speaker 1: you become an artist, man, that that hip hop purist
Speaker 1: ship goes right out the window out of who wrote it?
Speaker 1: I don't give a funk who invented it. Who I
Speaker 1: did was who you stolen from? That's just sound good.
Speaker 1: You're gonna recording that. Put that's your down, you know,
Speaker 1: so sit but hold up in this mount roachmore that
Speaker 1: you create. We got the five? No, hold on, hold on,
Speaker 1: hold up, where do you place? See? If you're talking
Speaker 1: about you're saying hipop bag the hole. I would have
Speaker 1: to include me and melimail In because you know, first
Speaker 1: of you will usually be cool, y'all just going at
Speaker 1: it at first. I mean that's groups. So we never
Speaker 1: never had no adam. But you're just put You're just adding,
Speaker 1: and this is just me asking a question. You're just
Speaker 1: adding the music side. Where do the b boys, the dances,
Speaker 1: the graffitis if you know that. Listen, if you are
Speaker 1: part of that mount Rushmore, if you relaxed, but hold on,
Speaker 1: we're not talking to you right now. We're talking to
Speaker 1: how many people are a mom Rushmore? Right now? It's
Speaker 1: filed four four, but we and we're stretching it by
Speaker 1: putting five. Do you want to include the elements of
Speaker 1: hip hop and every and every pioneer from that? It'd
Speaker 1: be too much. You need more amounts more mountains than Rushmore,
Speaker 1: So you know what I mean. Each each element would
Speaker 1: need its own um mountain range, or it would have
Speaker 1: to be a big enough mountain range to fit every
Speaker 1: you know, pioneer from that particular. What I'm saying, far
Speaker 1: as the DJ's is concerned, it would be Coolherd Bambata,
Speaker 1: Grandmaster Flash. I would have to include um uh DJ
Speaker 1: Breakout because Breakout was one of the premier DJs back
Speaker 1: in the day, not for skill or nothing like that,
Speaker 1: but he had uptown in the Bronx on lock and
Speaker 1: there's more breakout flyers than you can find pretty much
Speaker 1: most motherfucker's flies out there. And I'm talking about the
Speaker 1: original Brothers, Disco Funky Four and then later the Funky
Speaker 1: four plus one more with my sister shall Rock that
Speaker 1: I will be on Rock the Bell's Radio with the
Speaker 1: But I just want I just want to say because
Speaker 1: the only reason I was saying this because even by you,
Speaker 1: you were saying the B Boys is what led everybody
Speaker 1: to downtown was leaving that B Boys, the B Boys
Speaker 1: along with like Bam Body. I think see Planet Rock
Speaker 1: had come out by eighty two, and Planet Rock was
Speaker 1: that merge between punk rock, that punk rock sound and
Speaker 1: that and and and hip hop. So it was like
Speaker 1: carte blanche down there, you know what I mean that
Speaker 1: that that fucking scene was crazy down there. And then
Speaker 1: Van was one of the first cast to acquire manager
Speaker 1: Lady Blue, and Lady Blue was like the she was
Speaker 1: the way in down there to the to that punk
Speaker 1: rock scene and to the rock sea and all that eventually,
Speaker 1: so you know, playing rock, came from trans Eupe Express
Speaker 1: right right right, Germany, so his impact is indelible, indelible.
Speaker 1: You can't you can't not mention them, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Him Grandmaster Flash being hip hop's first turn
Speaker 1: table list. Okay, prior to him, everybody was just playing records,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. He's the first one to
Speaker 1: start manipulating records you know how I made and changing
Speaker 1: them and but being on beat with it. The Cats
Speaker 1: told me a really dope story about when he was
Speaker 1: DJing and it was supposed to battle somebody and it
Speaker 1: ended up becoming Theodore. He was supposed to battle Theatore
Speaker 1: and he was like, wait, you DJA now because he
Speaker 1: just knew him was Teddy from the block. Because DJ
Speaker 1: was actually bigger than the MC back then, right, it
Speaker 1: was all about at the beginning of the hip hop
Speaker 1: it was DJ, DJ, was you getting pussy let's keep yeah,
Speaker 1: but he's here. MC was shouting out the drug dealers,
Speaker 1: so he was getting little biteah. But prior to the
Speaker 1: prior to that, yeah, the MC was bigging up the DJ,
Speaker 1: and prior to that, the DJ was bicking up his damn.
Speaker 1: So me, that's how I became a dual you know,
Speaker 1: dual role. I DJ and I m C. Um My,
Speaker 1: my DJ would fuck up every time I would go
Speaker 1: to do something like crucial, like I wrote this rhyme
Speaker 1: that's this and this and that, and when I got
Speaker 1: to this point and when I say this, boom, you
Speaker 1: bring in the record, and nine times out of tenn
Speaker 1: niggas would suck me. You know what I mean. I'm
Speaker 1: like your fuck y'all, and I start DJing for myself.
Speaker 1: So that's why they started calling me the first simultaneous
Speaker 1: d J m C. I'm not the first dude to
Speaker 1: DJ and m C, but I'm the first guy that
Speaker 1: documented that could DJ and rap at the same time.
Speaker 1: And I'm cutting my own or like, I give me
Speaker 1: a break beat and I'm cut that ship up and
Speaker 1: I'm rapping and I'm rhyming over like that. It was
Speaker 1: crazy and still gets busy to this day. So you
Speaker 1: put you put your own that bottle, say you found bro, bro.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying your ship. That's the reason why I'm
Speaker 1: glad it's nothing. Maybe I had something in there, but
Speaker 1: now I realized it's not Holy mooning man, So we
Speaker 1: already deport mooted the Indian Detective. What you told you
Speaker 1: about that? Right? We need to promote it is the
Speaker 1: culturally canceled with Russell Peters. Culturally that's your part. That's
Speaker 1: my podcast. One day when you're in l A. I'd
Speaker 1: like to have you on that. You know, you know
Speaker 1: I got your back. Bro' doing that noble and makes
Speaker 1: you happy. They don't make him happy. Yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: I like expensive ship. Let me ask you something. Uh
Speaker 1: do you remember when Swiss Beats made the announcement that
Speaker 1: he wanted to give the old Scoop pioneers a million
Speaker 1: dollars uh uh each each we're going there for like reparations.
Speaker 1: Tell them, yes, I did. What was What was your
Speaker 1: take on that? One of my main dollars as well. No,
Speaker 1: maybe you wanted to do this old school you said,
Speaker 1: you know, to check to tell you the truth, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be expensive. I'll be honest with you this that
Speaker 1: so it's actually got that idea from us. We actually
Speaker 1: was been promoted. I forget what. Who got sick and
Speaker 1: we was like this is terrible the rap community. Jimmy Spicer.
Speaker 1: Jimmy Spicer got sick when we started talking about it.
Speaker 1: Wasn't him, but it was somebody just got sick. And
Speaker 1: we were just like, you know what, book, I think
Speaker 1: it was hurkouldn't hurt, wouldn't hurt? It might it might
Speaker 1: have been when Curtis had a heart attack. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's what it was. Yeah, And the point
Speaker 1: your point so um, and we were just like, you
Speaker 1: know what, it's ill for us to, you know, separately,
Speaker 1: try to do something good for him. But the thing
Speaker 1: about it is, once you put it in a certain
Speaker 1: amount of time in this business, we should have a
Speaker 1: goddamn union. That says foot on the fucking ship. After
Speaker 1: you wake up in the morning and you're going on
Speaker 1: your way to bump your brush your teeth and you
Speaker 1: hit your big toe and your big toe turns purple.
Speaker 1: Hip hop, come in to take care of that ship.
Speaker 1: We put The only entertainment that doesn't have a union
Speaker 1: is boxing. Boxing is a boodoo squad. Just what we're saying.
Speaker 1: Are we saying that we're boxes, But this movie was saying.
Speaker 1: We're saying that we're here the killing each other the
Speaker 1: pugilist sport because everyone is not going to make it
Speaker 1: to the Promised Land, right, Everyone is not but everyone
Speaker 1: deserves to say promised land, especially if you you put
Speaker 1: in a certain time like for us when we So
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get back to your question, because what
Speaker 1: we were saying, me and I was saying, was we
Speaker 1: ship form my hip hop union. Every time you get
Speaker 1: anything and it's hip hop related, five to go to
Speaker 1: that union. Like my saying sag like a sag, but five.
Speaker 1: And I think we got most people that that's down
Speaker 1: with that. But I want to I want you to
Speaker 1: re iterate what did you feel when you when when
Speaker 1: you heard that. I mean, I thought I thought the
Speaker 1: sentiment was good. I just don't think it was well
Speaker 1: thought out. Because if you think about it, who who
Speaker 1: is a pioneer of hip hop? And then you gotta think,
Speaker 1: all right, how do you define a pioneer in hip hop?
Speaker 1: And who can say the five people that you named
Speaker 1: the council You said the council, that's the council Cool Work,
Speaker 1: Grandmaster Flash, Bamboo him and mel Mellie Mail, Grandmaster Cat
Speaker 1: would would would decide who's who? I wouldn't have a problem.
Speaker 1: I feel like if this who knows better? The first
Speaker 1: five millions to go to your five? And we yes,
Speaker 1: that that first five million reparations you called it, I
Speaker 1: call it reparations, and I want you to know I
Speaker 1: they viewed it right here and drink quote reparations. That's real.
Speaker 1: That's just really really, it's as real as it is
Speaker 1: for people, for black people as a whole who deserve reparations. Um,
Speaker 1: any time that you've been exploited over over a period
Speaker 1: of time and people have benefited, and not just benefited,
Speaker 1: but I mean become fucking moguls. I mean they control
Speaker 1: everything at this point and could take the amount of
Speaker 1: money that it takes to give you reparations out there,
Speaker 1: motherfucker pocket and walk. There could be a way that
Speaker 1: you could circumvent someone having to give their own money
Speaker 1: and you siphon it from taxes. If the government got involved.
Speaker 1: I mean that's probably more complicated a little bit, but
Speaker 1: you could create you know, what you give them. It
Speaker 1: was original forty acres in the middle that you promise
Speaker 1: us in the first from the place, Okay, no more,
Speaker 1: no less. It was a fucking forty acres in the
Speaker 1: middle you promised us in the first. But there's enough
Speaker 1: land left out here all right for us to fill up.
Speaker 1: So that's where I'm at with it. God, damn it
Speaker 1: man yo man um. I'd like to see it versus
Speaker 1: with Cod Crush versus Fantastic, just to bring it back.
Speaker 1: See that's a way, that a good way doing give back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but then we gotta work for that, So that's not reparation.
Speaker 1: That's not reparation that if I got to do more
Speaker 1: work for something for something, You're right, that's not that
Speaker 1: I respect that. Another way for you, another way I'm
Speaker 1: looking at was perform again. Right. Another way of looking
Speaker 1: at it is it's opens up the younger generation to
Speaker 1: actually see it in real life. I heard about it
Speaker 1: and now it is right funny and no going back
Speaker 1: and looking at that footage, I was like, I was
Speaker 1: so amazed because I was just like, damn, this is
Speaker 1: real hip hop. Like after watching Versus and then going
Speaker 1: back and then doing this and watching your battle, I
Speaker 1: was just like, Damn, that is That's the essence of
Speaker 1: hip hop battle and you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: and people took for granted the DJ like you you
Speaker 1: said earlier, I mean, with him being a point was
Speaker 1: everything was everything we did. It go from me being
Speaker 1: about the DJ to it being about the m C. Well,
Speaker 1: what happened. Who was getting the most pussy? What happened?
Speaker 1: The DJ was getting all the pussy at first, Damn
Speaker 1: C was guys who used to help carry the crates.
Speaker 1: MC was carrying the crates before they were listen. I'll
Speaker 1: go through, I'll go through. You want to get behind
Speaker 1: the rope car? Motherfuck mother speak? Where that carry getting
Speaker 1: even bars carry craze for me? Man, he's still carrying
Speaker 1: crazy in my mind. So I made all the equipment
Speaker 1: right now, what a lot of what a live they
Speaker 1: just take for granted today. You know, everybody wants to
Speaker 1: claim ownership and yeah I did this, and I'm this,
Speaker 1: and I'm so and so if you go back to
Speaker 1: the beginning of this ship, if I didn't bring my
Speaker 1: equipment outside, it wouldn't be no fucking party. Okay. I
Speaker 1: never walked up to no motherfucker set and was like,
Speaker 1: all right, let's go. I had to bring my ship outside,
Speaker 1: my own ship. Okay. If it broke, I had to
Speaker 1: pay for it to transport it. I had to pay
Speaker 1: for it, all right. If it was a nice day outside,
Speaker 1: nig was like, your cas let's bring me set out,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? All right, fucking come on,
Speaker 1: you know who you got. It's like nine niggers outside
Speaker 1: my door ready to carry everything out. All right, bo,
Speaker 1: let's get it go out, play all day, this and
Speaker 1: that play party, which is this and that such set?
Speaker 1: And then the nights start getting dark. Motherfucker's disappeared. Now
Speaker 1: I'm stounding out on the motherfucking park with a bunch
Speaker 1: of equipment. Yeah, I mean by my fucking sething, I
Speaker 1: gotta get all that ship home. See, those are the
Speaker 1: kind of dudes that people don't understand that you paid
Speaker 1: prior to hip hop being what you see it as
Speaker 1: me being grandmaster. Casts today come from me being that
Speaker 1: nigga that had to carry all of his equipment in
Speaker 1: three fucking taxi cabs, okay, back and forth to different
Speaker 1: events and ship like that. So well, oh my god, man,
Speaker 1: holy man, that's what you can attribute that ship too.
Speaker 1: And we didn't really talk about my crew, my group,
Speaker 1: the Cold Crush Brothers, goddamn, but we over charging niggas
Speaker 1: for what they did to try to have Charlie chase you.
Speaker 1: Today's in Chicago right now. Yeah, well that's a good thing,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? No, no, no, why are
Speaker 1: you laughing? That's that bullshit. That's my man, chased with
Speaker 1: the fucking base. Um, I'm just laughing up the line,
Speaker 1: like I've seen Chase more than you've seen Chase probably do. No,
Speaker 1: we speak all the time. We come on, you know,
Speaker 1: we're down, but he just down here and you know,
Speaker 1: and we up top. But as far as the group
Speaker 1: is concerned, UM, I've gone through so many different people talking.
Speaker 1: They call it out reinventing yourself, reinventing yourself, and that's
Speaker 1: supposed to be something that you know, you gotta become
Speaker 1: a dept to if you want any longevity in this business.
Speaker 1: But I started out and then ship as a B boy,
Speaker 1: okay the boy breakdance to be boy, Bronx boy original,
Speaker 1: you know, B boy and going to parties dancing And
Speaker 1: one day hercle was playing at a club calling he
Speaker 1: Wilow and a security is to be standing outside and Ship,
Speaker 1: and one day he blinked, and when that nigga eyelid
Speaker 1: went down, I shot up in that motherfucker's club and
Speaker 1: I hid behind the speaker for about I don't know,
Speaker 1: about twenty to thirty minutes, and I just saw everything
Speaker 1: that went on and and I was like Yo, this
Speaker 1: is the fuck it. I didn't say it like that,
Speaker 1: but I was like, Yo, this is it. This is
Speaker 1: what I want to do. See, I don't want to
Speaker 1: be one of the hundreds of people out here dancing.
Speaker 1: I want to be that one person that's making all
Speaker 1: these hundreds of people dansk And that's when I decided
Speaker 1: I want to be a DJ. Yeah. Man, I used
Speaker 1: to stand outside the motherfucker's just listening to the records
Speaker 1: he might play because I was too early to get in,
Speaker 1: and I just see if I could catch up. He
Speaker 1: looked up two besides her, um, all of the early DJs,
Speaker 1: because there were different genres of DJs, so uh, you know, Hollywood,
Speaker 1: of course was the disco, not not so much disco
Speaker 1: when you think in a sense of disco, like this
Speaker 1: kind of disco. Now, he wasn't that kind of He
Speaker 1: was the growing in sexy, the grown is sexy, R
Speaker 1: and B suit tided you know what I mean, flash shoes,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I mean our money then
Speaker 1: for well, he sold a lot of nicols. Well exactly
Speaker 1: well for us. Copla Rock was the first hip hop
Speaker 1: m C because he was the first man on the
Speaker 1: microphone to stand next to a DJ playing hip hop music.
Speaker 1: You understand what I'm saying now, hip hop Copla rock
Speaker 1: was more in the in the vein of a like
Speaker 1: a last poets Okay you're not the last poet was
Speaker 1: and and they they they didn't wrap so much as
Speaker 1: they rhyme, or they didn't rhyme so much as they wrapped,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Oh okay? And um that
Speaker 1: was that was Copland rocks vibe, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But that eventually evolved. See early people on the mic
Speaker 1: was DJ is just making announcements. I'm DJ. I'm like, yo,
Speaker 1: this and this and that next week we're gonna be
Speaker 1: at the p L will we rock? Well, we want
Speaker 1: to see your face in the place, trying to say
Speaker 1: right right right, just just a little even a little
Speaker 1: stick ship. And then police athletically, yes, namely the one
Speaker 1: thirsty and Webster in the Bronx got them. Um. But
Speaker 1: these little, these little quips and these little things eventually
Speaker 1: became versus and they eventually no lines. They became lines,
Speaker 1: and then it became like punch lines, and then it
Speaker 1: became verse bars and they became versus and then they
Speaker 1: evolved into rap. As we know it today, but they
Speaker 1: all come from somebody in the put saying, Yo, my
Speaker 1: man rust is in the house. He cooling out, without
Speaker 1: a doubt, rocked the house. Rap came from ship like that,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, and TV commercials let me drop
Speaker 1: a real jewel on you, and nobody, nobody that come
Speaker 1: on this fucking show was gonna say this. Okay. The
Speaker 1: early one of the earliest inspirations for rhyming m c
Speaker 1: and came from a car commercial. Okay, a Great Bear commercial.
Speaker 1: Great Bear, you know when you get your car fixed?
Speaker 1: Great Bear? All right, y'all, niggas. It's something different now,
Speaker 1: but back then there was the It was this car
Speaker 1: company called not a car company but repair Fly fix
Speaker 1: your car was called Great Bear, and they had this
Speaker 1: commercial they used to come on right and it used
Speaker 1: to go like this. You're driving down the highway and
Speaker 1: the dead and night, and up ahead there's a terrible site.
Speaker 1: Then you hit the brakes. They're not all there. You
Speaker 1: missed this one, but only ahead to say at the prayer,
Speaker 1: just take your brakes and your turn around, and then
Speaker 1: you look a great Bear. And that was the original
Speaker 1: theme for how nigga starting rapping that Great Bear commercial.
Speaker 1: If you listen to most people wrapping days, they sound
Speaker 1: the same Catus the death, and that, this, this and that.
Speaker 1: I don't know to this day, something ad guy probably,
Speaker 1: But I mean, you can trace rap and and all
Speaker 1: the elements of hip hop, you can trace them all
Speaker 1: back to other things and things that have been done
Speaker 1: long before us, long before us. But you can't say
Speaker 1: I got this dance from the Nicolas Brothers when I
Speaker 1: never seen the motherfucking Nicolas Brothers. This is that energy
Speaker 1: that was transported to me in my generation, just having
Speaker 1: to be the same energy from that generation. Jesus, I'm
Speaker 1: taking sorry you like a shot. Russell Petus, I'm down
Speaker 1: for that, alright, for your boys, we agree for you.
Speaker 1: Grandma as a cat. Holy sh it, I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 1: I said, I said this earlier. I used to be
Speaker 1: people Google for me, now google for myself. This was
Speaker 1: the most funnest I've ever researched. People rechurch and somebody,
Speaker 1: because that's just your history just kept going, and they
Speaker 1: just kept going. And I look at rap like with superheroes,
Speaker 1: like people who've been through rap. And I'm sorry for
Speaker 1: anybody in the military. I'm sorry for anybody, but I
Speaker 1: look like like that. It's like you've been through the military.
Speaker 1: We went through the war, and now we're just gonna
Speaker 1: be regular people, civilians. We've got to be civilians, and
Speaker 1: none of us know how to be a civilian because
Speaker 1: you're right, that's what made you and your first album
Speaker 1: was the World Report Imagine. So he's literally he's not
Speaker 1: just that made you know that that that that puts
Speaker 1: you in that position. But the whole thing, the whole
Speaker 1: culture was built on our need for self expression. You know,
Speaker 1: when hip hop started, the Bronx was fucked up. You know,
Speaker 1: the city at the large was sucked up, but it
Speaker 1: really concentrated because when you know the Cross Bronx Expressway
Speaker 1: was was designed and built, that ship ran right through
Speaker 1: the fucking Bronx and tore a hole through the whole
Speaker 1: Bronx and the whole community that exists the traffic deal
Speaker 1: to this day and and and displaced people all over
Speaker 1: the to make that ship happen. The conditions that existed
Speaker 1: when hip hop started was the reason why I think
Speaker 1: people um come towards the Bronx as far as hip hop,
Speaker 1: because I know, I know a lot of people from
Speaker 1: Queens don't. And I'm talking about cats. I know people
Speaker 1: like to just go twins and the guys that used
Speaker 1: to play out and re speech back in the day,
Speaker 1: just like well Ship we was doing. We was playing
Speaker 1: music way before cool Hurt. Yes you were. I remember
Speaker 1: as a child my sister lived in Queens and she
Speaker 1: used to take me out there to see Plumber and
Speaker 1: my Boya and DJs like that. But nobody wasn't cutting
Speaker 1: up no records. If you're looking at anybody create out there,
Speaker 1: their main record when they play it was love is
Speaker 1: the message that was apache when they called on When
Speaker 1: when hip hop started playing it okay because this wasn't
Speaker 1: records they played on the radio. Hip Hop comes from
Speaker 1: those records that they don't play on the radio, and
Speaker 1: not even the whole record. You just played the beat
Speaker 1: of the record. That's where all the samples from hip
Speaker 1: hop come from. That's where the rhythm of the droll
Speaker 1: drums all that come from those original break beats, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And the thing that makes it
Speaker 1: hip hop is we're not playing the whole record throughout,
Speaker 1: like at least two three hours this party, all you
Speaker 1: hearing is sections of records. The beginning records, not even
Speaker 1: the beginning of creating a record, unto itself. The Break.
Speaker 1: The Break itself created new music today. Let people listen
Speaker 1: to today. Let me ask you this question. Right, the
Speaker 1: message right came out men like real street ship. But
Speaker 1: then the message get remaked puff daddy, Uh huh yeah
Speaker 1: that part yeah yourself boy, because it was check itself
Speaker 1: your record. So I mean by that you first of
Speaker 1: all falls ice cub concern. You're talking about the nigger
Speaker 1: who made jacking for beats a right, So he jack,
Speaker 1: He's gonna get what he wants. But I mean rightfully,
Speaker 1: so you know what I mean. His first album was
Speaker 1: done by the bomb Squad here in New York. He's
Speaker 1: a better question, public enemy. This is the question I've
Speaker 1: been wanting to ask all that I'm and made a
Speaker 1: record talking about he used to love I love that ship. Alright,
Speaker 1: So let's just just related to that. Right. Hip hop
Speaker 1: was a girl. How did you recognize that girl when
Speaker 1: she went to the West Coast? Well, well, did you
Speaker 1: even recognize her? Well, you see how pussy mothers saying
Speaker 1: Christmas she got she got fake titties when she went
Speaker 1: to the west on the West Coast, she got gangster
Speaker 1: and I related, I related, I related to that on
Speaker 1: on so many different levels because it was because somebody's
Speaker 1: actu her h was the first West Coast actu her
Speaker 1: first west It was like what there, Uh no, I
Speaker 1: can't say I iced tea over here? How many world
Speaker 1: class recordly No, it was like like Arabian Prince ye
Speaker 1: love from Egyptian Lover. Yeah, those guys that boom eventually
Speaker 1: boom boom boom and the beat go boomooll not no, no, no,
Speaker 1: don't don't put that ship on that they looked. It
Speaker 1: was like ready for the world. It was some funk
Speaker 1: the five ship over We not this in the West
Speaker 1: Coast either. Never that never that never that. That's my
Speaker 1: that's my second home. Okay, that's the only place other
Speaker 1: place I had a residence, Okay. And out there, I
Speaker 1: mean we got mad love. But I learned a lot.
Speaker 1: I learned a lot. And nice T was the first
Speaker 1: m C from the West Coast that I met and
Speaker 1: gravitated towards because they had the club call radio Radio Trial. Yeah,
Speaker 1: out there all this stick you don't play, and in
Speaker 1: here say let's take a research like you do. And
Speaker 1: he's a fucking elephant. He retains all that ship um.
Speaker 1: So yeah, the radio trig. So that's when I first
Speaker 1: met Ice and just took out the same camp. All right,
Speaker 1: that's damn, that's beautiful. Him on it. We gotta go
Speaker 1: come on yeah yeah, come on, sorry, give it some stuff.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, I can't stop these guys. These just
Speaker 1: keep talking. We don't give he was he was in
Speaker 1: a Megatron radio truck. So that's when I first met
Speaker 1: Iced Tea and six in the morning. Islam from from
Speaker 1: the Nation Sunva okay Um had relocated out there to
Speaker 1: the West coast to l A and he became Ice
Speaker 1: teas producer. So I met Ice when I did the
Speaker 1: radio tron out there and we connected and I I
Speaker 1: was talking to him. He was building, and I told
Speaker 1: him in the building, not my brother, how you doing
Speaker 1: you man? He missed it. You brought me the build peters.
Speaker 1: I was like, yea, get continued. You're talking about um,
Speaker 1: it's just the tip, come on, come on. So so
Speaker 1: so me and I was building, so he was like, yo,
Speaker 1: I want to do this hip hop ship man, but
Speaker 1: I need a group. Man, I want to get a group.
Speaker 1: I was like, yo, can you write rhymes? By yourself?
Speaker 1: Can you write your own rhymes? People like yeah, I said,
Speaker 1: and you don't need a group. I mean, I have
Speaker 1: to just stay by yourself. You go solo, do your
Speaker 1: own thing. I said, you had this whole West Coast
Speaker 1: s on a lot by yourself. Ask him to tell
Speaker 1: you to this day. That's why he called me one
Speaker 1: of his mentors. You know what I mean what the
Speaker 1: ill ship is. And I only think a lot of
Speaker 1: people know this is that I iced tea from New Jersey.
Speaker 1: I feel like she stopped. He was born born in
Speaker 1: New Jersey. That because but he was like in his
Speaker 1: twenties when he moved to the West coas post. That's
Speaker 1: a grown ass man. He's a grown ass man. He's
Speaker 1: a New Jersey kid. Originally, I'd just like to blow
Speaker 1: your mind a little bit. He's what he's about. I'm
Speaker 1: about from New Jersey, moved to the West Coast in
Speaker 1: the early eighties and then picked up hip hop from there.
Speaker 1: Yeah after that, that's like saying he's the first Tupac,
Speaker 1: because Tupac was actually really rarely New York from New
Speaker 1: York and then didn't want them all? Did he move
Speaker 1: to Oakland, Oakland and Dennis. She telling me Iced Tea
Speaker 1: is the same thing's my friend. I don't even want
Speaker 1: to hit him right now, they say, iced Tea move
Speaker 1: to West Coast in the early eighties from New Jersey
Speaker 1: and his Yeah, in his twenties, I mean finished the
Speaker 1: summer from Brick City there. Yeah, from New York, right
Speaker 1: from work somewhere around after fourteen. Wherever you grow up out,
Speaker 1: that's where you're fucking fun. Yeah, he didn't. When you reclaiming,
Speaker 1: I used to see right now, he when he went
Speaker 1: to the military, and then he moved to the West Coast. Ship.
Speaker 1: This is his trip, we reclaimed. That's why he could
Speaker 1: do to Jackson. Yes, yes, yes, yes, motherfucking um oh
Speaker 1: my man, Morgan Freeman and his business. But did you
Speaker 1: get one of the good blunts? Yeah, I got one
Speaker 1: of you. Let me take something. Let me let me
Speaker 1: just say. Is that the Fermian moment. Let just say something,
Speaker 1: give it right back to you real quickly. I don't
Speaker 1: out with Dave Chappelle on land On. One day I
Speaker 1: saw you and I fucking had the mid weed on me.
Speaker 1: I was so like, I landed my boy said, I
Speaker 1: got I got some weed. I was like, all right,
Speaker 1: cool funk guys went straight. St Me just brought my
Speaker 1: bags down. Went we went straight mister Me and the
Speaker 1: lead boom. I don't know I'm running the Dave Jappelle
Speaker 1: walks in. I'm like, oh ship, and he's like, oh shoot.
Speaker 1: I was like, you got passed the blood days passed, Blunt,
Speaker 1: the days bro. I'm looking. He walks away into Blow.
Speaker 1: I'm like, shit, if this motherfucker realizes I just handed
Speaker 1: him up men and blunt. Okay, it's been sucking with
Speaker 1: me for Lawrence figured out this. I figured out this
Speaker 1: thing is here. This whole weekend. I had my boy
Speaker 1: Larrence come over. We rove the ships into the bomb skinning. Hey, Dan,
Speaker 1: I made sure ay day the v I p room with.
Speaker 1: I don't let me let me big up to quality.
Speaker 1: The first day and all the other days, my brother
Speaker 1: j Rob we came through and make sure we got through.
Speaker 1: But let me tell you something. I smoked that room out.
Speaker 1: I mean sure, I know you know what. I came
Speaker 1: with the bat and I see now you I mean
Speaker 1: you got the I mean you got the call Blode.
Speaker 1: You can go anywhere you like to goddamnit you want.
Speaker 1: I feel like you're taking another shot. I just feel
Speaker 1: like it. Any boys got me, They're gonna get me.
Speaker 1: Did you just call him the Heney Boys? That god?
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Let people go if you drink. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: my niggas, don't worry. I beat my man Porto Rico,
Speaker 1: Big Game, the Man k Beat, Why black Man and
Speaker 1: my man Big tone noise. You're taking a shot with us. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm taking the shot. Okay. You want what you want? Okay, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: put yourself a shot first though, hold on, hold on,
Speaker 1: ye don't gonna take the shot of this. You can't
Speaker 1: get ready, baby, I'm gonna try this now. Listen. I
Speaker 1: don't gonna be all right whatever, nigga, how many times
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be on drink? Come on anything you want
Speaker 1: to ask me any time you want? You, bro, come
Speaker 1: on here, get a shot. Got damn man boy, we
Speaker 1: got a chair right now, but come get the shots.
Speaker 1: You help me to let you. That's okay. We love you.
Speaker 1: Come on, come on, come on, came listen. I missed
Speaker 1: the more I miss you, Bro. I think about it
Speaker 1: all the time. I sa you was here. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't do I thank you. Come through ready enough? Phil,
Speaker 1: you know. That's a great question. Say your team to
Speaker 1: come in to take the drink over a little heny boys,
Speaker 1: let's go boys, henymen heny min min not me the
Speaker 1: mom trying to amen, drink man. Where's that for? Pollo? Me? Okay, Amen,
Speaker 1: that's that's new name. Haney man, God damn it man,
Speaker 1: love love love love. Come on, come on, brothers, brottle
Speaker 1: little little great to me, everybody, a little fellers, alright
Speaker 1: with the mean bucket on. I'm watching you the mean
Speaker 1: by queen ship though, right did the bucket is us?
Speaker 1: Just be clear? So little man, I don't Master motherfucking
Speaker 1: cast you, thank you for doing what you do. You
Speaker 1: did and continue to do. Were always gonna salute, We're
Speaker 1: always gonna respect you, and we love you. Brother. Thank
Speaker 1: you right here. So I got one more question. We're
Speaker 1: gonna take a picture of the drop. Oh that should
Speaker 1: this smooth? It's not not smooth. I was a little hot,
Speaker 1: my man says. We're trying to get this Japanese whiskey
Speaker 1: for three years, drink spirits. That's got Japanese whiskey, baby,
Speaker 1: all right, I mean bank hank right the ship. So
Speaker 1: what's next, grand master cast So what's next for you man,
Speaker 1: Um what we're doing. I don't know what I did.
Speaker 1: And like I said, we were talking about earlier about reinvention.
Speaker 1: I mean, I started out as DJ Casting over Fly,
Speaker 1: d j MC casting over Fly to Grandmaster Casting over
Speaker 1: Fly to Grandmaster Cass. I shortened my name from Castanova
Speaker 1: Fly because Grandmaster Flash had a security crew called the
Speaker 1: Castanova's who were gangsters, and I didn't like me being
Speaker 1: Castanova Fly, like I was affiliated with them, so anything
Speaker 1: could have happened to me behind some ship they did,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And they like not foul,
Speaker 1: but they were security. But there was the niggers in
Speaker 1: the streets, you know, black spades, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And all that I mean, I always want to know.
Speaker 1: So I just shortened my name the cast from casting
Speaker 1: over Fly. That's why my name is cast in the
Speaker 1: first place. Um, and then uh from different groups, I
Speaker 1: mean the crews and guys leaving and going to other
Speaker 1: places and me and having to start over. First I
Speaker 1: had the casting over Flying Disco whis and then my
Speaker 1: man Whiz got knocked and went to jail. Then I
Speaker 1: had the recruit of it. Yeah, yeah, Puerto Rican and
Speaker 1: Puerto Rican have Cuman. I told you. I'm I'm telling
Speaker 1: you I have so. I mean from the Mighty Force
Speaker 1: to the Force five to the Notorious two when it
Speaker 1: was just me and J D L. Until they recruited
Speaker 1: me to the Cold Crush, and you know, until after
Speaker 1: the Cold Crush, you know what I mean. I've had
Speaker 1: to keep going and do different things. Now this day, man,
Speaker 1: I'm doing everything from hip hop sight seeing tours. I've
Speaker 1: been doing that for eighteen years. About my Hush Hush
Speaker 1: hip hop site seeing tours. I take people from all
Speaker 1: around the world on the bus in Midtown Manhattan and
Speaker 1: I take him uptown to the wh about that I
Speaker 1: showed hi where hip hop happened, Like like, who do
Speaker 1: you want Mr Lead to do that? I'll take you
Speaker 1: to fift Yeah. I've been doing that for eighteen years. Okay.
Speaker 1: So I also host the UH. It was formerly the
Speaker 1: Tools of War summer Park jams up in Coltona Park,
Speaker 1: all in the parks around u UH New York. UM
Speaker 1: the Tools of War, which was Chris t Z and
Speaker 1: Popmaster Fable UH. They dropped out UM in two thousand
Speaker 1: and eighteen. I took over in two thousand and nineteen.
Speaker 1: So I've been doing that since then. We had a
Speaker 1: break with COVID and now we're back. So every year,
Speaker 1: I got like three to four, well three to five
Speaker 1: thousand people out in the park every every Thursday, Rocket July,
Speaker 1: Rocket exactly. And we got I mean, d scratch, I
Speaker 1: got cash money out there, I got I got real
Speaker 1: figures out there. But we need to go up. And
Speaker 1: that's help started we got. I'm trying. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: fill you in. I'm trying to let you know what's
Speaker 1: going on my organization, Windows of Hip Hop. I mean,
Speaker 1: we're making magic in the community. We are building the
Speaker 1: studio in in in the Bronx Elementary School see US
Speaker 1: fifty five. We adopted the school and they adopted US
Speaker 1: so H with the help of the borough president and
Speaker 1: our councilwoman Vanessa Gibson. You know, we donated funds to
Speaker 1: the school and we're playing active roles and you know,
Speaker 1: and the kids development. We got hip hop curriculums that
Speaker 1: we've written and put forward and implemented in these in
Speaker 1: these projects that we're implemented in the schools, and I'm
Speaker 1: I'm more excited about that than anything else that we're
Speaker 1: doing out there. Right now. Um I, uh, I've just
Speaker 1: been a uh appointed the official DJ for Coolmo d
Speaker 1: now because I've been on tour with him for the
Speaker 1: last few years. You know, we did a joint together
Speaker 1: called Notice and uh so I'm on the row with him.
Speaker 1: Um Me and Shan Rock was gonna start Rock the
Speaker 1: Bell's radio. We're gonna have a show, uh three hours
Speaker 1: Monday through Friday on Rock the Bell. So that's a
Speaker 1: platform that, uh, I think I was made for. I've
Speaker 1: been following you, you know what I mean. And I
Speaker 1: and even though and even though I've been doing this
Speaker 1: for a long time, I haven't been doing it in
Speaker 1: this format. And I understand that there's different dynamics to entertainment.
Speaker 1: And you gotta recognize that, you know this radio nigger,
Speaker 1: this ain't the stage, this ain't the studio. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is something else. So I definitely been checking you
Speaker 1: know you. I mean, how y'all do your things? How
Speaker 1: ship rocket ship like that? So appreciate you and hope,
Speaker 1: you know, hopefully I do half as well. Not listen,
Speaker 1: let me just tell you something, man, you got your back.
Speaker 1: This is your platform, this is your format. Anytime you
Speaker 1: want to come on here, and even if you want
Speaker 1: to pick your toes on here, it's okay. You don't
Speaker 1: want to FaceTime FaceTime you come, you come to Miami.
Speaker 1: Anytime you come to Miami, you want to be here
Speaker 1: just to talk about I don't give a fuck if
Speaker 1: you want to talk about the new gazelles you got.
Speaker 1: And this is what we all. This platform is yours.
Speaker 1: We made it for you, We made it for people
Speaker 1: of your stature. And if you ever want to talk
Speaker 1: to the media, don't go to the media. Gotta go
Speaker 1: to your homies. You go to your homies. Your homies
Speaker 1: got your back. It's gonna let you do what the
Speaker 1: funk you want to do. We love you, we respect you.
Speaker 1: You gotta take a couple of pictures, Let's take some drops,
Speaker 1: and you gotta wrap this to funk up. But listen,
Speaker 1: this was fucking pleasure. Oh we was amused, Mattics. You
Speaker 1: know we we we're real hip hop fans. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't I know he was excited, but I couldn't
Speaker 1: tell because you know, I didn't see you until just now,
Speaker 1: until we got here, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: I don't want to blow you up, but I believe
Speaker 1: that I am in a position that I could do
Speaker 1: this no repercussions. Okay, we Russ hooked us up when
Speaker 1: once Rush did drake shop, Like, yo, I want to
Speaker 1: They've been they've been asking me. You know, you know,
Speaker 1: I been calling me, but I haven't got no feedback.
Speaker 1: And he was like, I said, ef I e F
Speaker 1: e FN. I'm sorry, alright, really nothing really, let's take
Speaker 1: it on this show. Hold on. First of all, First
Speaker 1: of all, I've been calling and then I've been seeing
Speaker 1: things that say, e FN. I tried to together. I
Speaker 1: gotta take Are you gonna do whiskey, let's go, let's
Speaker 1: do mama, let's go to drink an there's enough of you.
Speaker 1: One more hit me like you hit yourself. Mommm. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna light on it because that. Don't worry about it. Bro,
Speaker 1: the spirits aren't here. You need to shake that bottle up.
Speaker 1: It's got sentiment the bottle. That's what at the end,
Speaker 1: I get really into things. So listen, are you familiar?
Speaker 1: You want ice? No white? Now, I'm good. I'm good.
Speaker 1: If you're gonna go straight, I'm gonna straight. I'm gonna straight.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna straight. All right, bo bro, boom boom. All
Speaker 1: your pain be champagne. All right, let me get you
Speaker 1: some champagne. Got that, I got the pin. It's sweeter
Speaker 1: as it gets thicker. You all want to salute by
Speaker 1: any boys that came down and see boy, well gotta
Speaker 1: eat this shot. Not because they literally they literally sell
Speaker 1: us down. But come on, listen, even go, but let's
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