WEBVTT - Episode 278 w/ Grandmaster Caz 0:00:00.600 --> 0:00:03.000 Welcome to Drink Champs, the production of The Black Effect 0:00:03.040 --> 0:00:18.200 and I Heart Radio and his drinks as motherfucking Podcast Mazon. 0:00:19.160 --> 0:00:22.360 He's a legendary queen's rapper. He's agree, it's your boy 0:00:22.400 --> 0:00:25.680 in o R. He's a Miami hip hop pioneer up 0:00:25.760 --> 0:00:28.479 his dj e FN. Together they drink it up with 0:00:28.520 --> 0:00:33.040 some of the biggest players in the most professional, unprofessional 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:36.559 podcast and yet number one source for drunk fast drinks 0:00:36.560 --> 0:00:41.360 motherfucking is New year' z. That's time for Drink Champs. 0:00:41.400 --> 0:00:50.240 Drink up mother Mother. Would it could be? Hopefully? Would 0:00:50.240 --> 0:00:52.240 it should be? This is your point in a what 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:55.960 up is d j e F and his drinks mother amazing? 0:01:00.640 --> 0:01:02.920 And I'm gonna tell you like this. When me and 0:01:03.120 --> 0:01:04.960 this man said the right and we started this show, 0:01:06.080 --> 0:01:10.360 we said, there's other outlets for the new artists. There's 0:01:10.400 --> 0:01:13.880 other ways this radio, there's other ways for the new artists. 0:01:13.920 --> 0:01:17.640 We wanted to show love and respect to people that 0:01:17.720 --> 0:01:19.840 came before us, some people that came on the side 0:01:19.880 --> 0:01:22.640 of us, and some people that came behind us. But 0:01:23.000 --> 0:01:34.160 today's episode Liz super super super special. We've had legends, 0:01:35.840 --> 0:01:39.200 but we we this is this is uh a new 0:01:39.280 --> 0:01:43.000 word that I've made up yesterday. It's a more legend. 0:01:45.200 --> 0:01:49.760 He's like an immortal legend that from the first hip 0:01:49.800 --> 0:01:54.640 hop record that was a commercially released bit off of him, 0:01:54.720 --> 0:01:59.840 they stole his boss. This man has been around relentless. 0:01:59.840 --> 0:02:02.720 He's been there when hip hop has what was there 0:02:02.760 --> 0:02:05.360 and he had control over he had a pulse in 0:02:05.400 --> 0:02:08.320 the game. It wasn't just like he was around just 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:11.520 just just being there. No, he had his own. This 0:02:11.600 --> 0:02:15.800 man is a legend. He's still here. He deserves his flowers, 0:02:17.080 --> 0:02:20.680 he deserves some kanyak, and we're gonna have fun if 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:23.160 you're gonna get into his business. This is what I 0:02:23.240 --> 0:02:25.679 like to call a super legend. In case you don't 0:02:25.760 --> 0:02:27.680 understand or don't know what the fun is going on 0:02:27.840 --> 0:02:37.239 right now, we have Grandmaster motherfucker cast now now me 0:02:37.360 --> 0:02:39.760 doing my research right to tell you the truth. I've 0:02:39.880 --> 0:02:42.640 been doing this with almost six years. Year we're going 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:45.520 on our six years. I'm not trying to gas you up. 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:50.800 This was the funniest research I've ever done because everything 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:53.120 that I researched from you and led me to something 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:56.200 else and then let me just and this is the 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:58.880 reason why I like I would if I ever got 0:02:58.919 --> 0:03:00.600 a chance to like speak to you on the artist, 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:03.680 I would tell them it's good to look go pay 0:03:03.800 --> 0:03:05.720 the way, it's good to go look at that. You know. 0:03:06.960 --> 0:03:10.280 So what you yo? Your history is so rich, it's 0:03:10.320 --> 0:03:13.040 so like. But one of the one of the illest 0:03:13.160 --> 0:03:18.760 things that I did not know was Sugar Hills rapping. 0:03:19.240 --> 0:03:25.400 What is it raping? He out right sold your lyrics? Yeah, 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:29.960 pretty much, he said his name in So can you 0:03:30.000 --> 0:03:32.840 describe for the for the people who was not listening 0:03:32.840 --> 0:03:35.320 the first hip hop not not especially the first hip 0:03:35.360 --> 0:03:37.560 hop record, but the first hip hop records was released commercially, 0:03:38.000 --> 0:03:44.800 the first commercial commercial Yeah, the first commercial hip hop Okay, so, 0:03:44.800 --> 0:03:48.360 so what what happens? Because when this record comes out, 0:03:48.360 --> 0:03:52.120 which I did not know, the community, Hey this record, 0:03:53.000 --> 0:03:57.640 yeah pretty much like the early hip hop community. You 0:03:57.680 --> 0:04:01.480 know what I mean that, like who is this? Like 0:04:01.480 --> 0:04:04.160 who these because I was back then would come to 0:04:04.200 --> 0:04:06.960 the Bronx or come downtown pretty pretty much all knew 0:04:06.960 --> 0:04:10.240 each other exactly exactly. And for somebody to come out 0:04:10.240 --> 0:04:13.400 of nowhere with three people like nobody knows, like who 0:04:13.440 --> 0:04:15.920 the fund is they? You know what I'm saying that, 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:17.880 I mean, we wasn't out in New Jersey. But then 0:04:17.920 --> 0:04:20.440 no cats was out there doing things out there in Jersey. 0:04:20.480 --> 0:04:23.520 Apparently they were, but I attitude here was like who 0:04:23.600 --> 0:04:28.000 the fund is? That kind of kind of put together, 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:30.240 like yo, can your wrapped come here? Come over here, Hey, 0:04:30.279 --> 0:04:32.520 you you too come in here, come with me, that 0:04:32.640 --> 0:04:35.000 type of thing. But I mean, how you got the 0:04:35.080 --> 0:04:37.440 lyrics in the first place? Hank was, he was down 0:04:37.480 --> 0:04:40.480 with me. He was managing my group, which was called 0:04:40.480 --> 0:04:47.280 the Mighty Force back then, and he uh, he had 0:04:47.320 --> 0:04:49.960 to get a job in New Jersey to pay back 0:04:50.000 --> 0:04:54.720 the loan he took out to to like refurbish our 0:04:54.800 --> 0:04:57.520 sound system when he started managing us. He took out 0:04:57.560 --> 0:05:00.520 a loan from his parents for like two stacks, which 0:05:00.560 --> 0:05:06.159 was bread back then, and we got bigger speakers, better amplifiers, 0:05:06.200 --> 0:05:07.920 all that so we could go out and bust nigga's 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:10.720 ask when we go out to play um. And in 0:05:10.800 --> 0:05:13.040 order to pay back alone, he got your job in 0:05:13.080 --> 0:05:16.359 a piece of shop in Jersey where Sylvia Robinson happened 0:05:16.360 --> 0:05:19.440 to be looking for people you know, and somebody seeing 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:22.479 him in the pizza shop with a boom box record 0:05:22.560 --> 0:05:25.120 for people that don't know sugar records. Sylvia Robson, head 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:27.800 of Sugar Records. Um, he used to take a boom 0:05:27.800 --> 0:05:30.960 box to work with him anything and be playing my 0:05:31.040 --> 0:05:35.159 tapes in the boom box, my practice tapes or tapes 0:05:35.200 --> 0:05:38.120 I record for my parties. So he's in there flipping 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:40.359 dough and ship, you know what I mean, making pieces 0:05:40.640 --> 0:05:43.479 and just rhyming along with the tape. People coming in 0:05:43.520 --> 0:05:45.800 and out of the joint, like figure, Hey, the Skuy 0:05:45.880 --> 0:05:53.359 is a rapper. Hey Sky a rapper. When Sylvia started 0:05:53.400 --> 0:05:55.800 looking for people, you know, somebody let her that way 0:05:56.200 --> 0:05:58.200 and he came out. You know, it was like, yo, 0:05:58.279 --> 0:06:00.760 could you come out? We want you to and instead 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:04.039 of this nigga like well now I don't rap, but 0:06:04.200 --> 0:06:07.560 I manage Casting Ova Fly. He just took your ship. 0:06:07.760 --> 0:06:09.360 That was that was what he was supposed to do 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:11.359 because I don't rap. Now I don't wrap, but I 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:15.040 managed Casting Ova Fly. He was the manager. But he didn't. 0:06:15.120 --> 0:06:17.640 He just got in the car repeated all the stuff 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:20.680 that was on the tape. They loved it, and it 0:06:20.839 --> 0:06:24.000 was like you in and so they put him down 0:06:24.000 --> 0:06:26.480 with you. But the other two was rappers. G and 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:29.440 Mike was part of like a DJ group, you know 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:33.000 what I mean. Sound on sound Um Sound on Side 0:06:33.320 --> 0:06:36.560 Studio on sound Sound on sound out in Jersey, you 0:06:36.600 --> 0:06:38.960 know what I mean. So, yeah, they were I'm not 0:06:39.000 --> 0:06:43.640 gonna say Bronx caliber seeds, but they was rappers, you 0:06:43.640 --> 0:06:46.720 know what I'm saying. And then the podcast and they 0:06:46.760 --> 0:06:48.920 acknowledged what had happened. They said, you all are cool now. 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:52.359 Oh yeah, we're cool now. I mean we were cool 0:06:54.880 --> 0:06:57.200 as far as that. No, I mean we as cool 0:06:57.240 --> 0:07:00.320 as we could beat They can't. They can't. You give 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:02.760 me no back money. I mean it ain't on up. 0:07:02.839 --> 0:07:05.040 So I mean we're cool. They didn't even know what 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:08.320 they was making money. No, they didn't know that Hank 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:16.080 was hugged. They was amazed at this nigger. He was like, 0:07:16.120 --> 0:07:19.920 this motherfucker is the truth. He's saying, Ship that none 0:07:19.960 --> 0:07:21.720 of us, you know what I mean. And if you 0:07:21.800 --> 0:07:23.920 look at we're listening to rappers the light because like 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:26.560 hip to the Hippy, and Hank is like, I'm not 0:07:28.600 --> 0:07:33.640 that's me, nigger. I'm saying. He said his name in 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:36.400 that's the craziest ship. Like when you hear that, what 0:07:36.440 --> 0:07:38.800 are you thinking? I'm thinking, when do you hear that's 0:07:38.840 --> 0:07:40.880 the first one last verse? He was the last Verson. 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:43.680 He was, he was the second, the second come on 0:07:43.840 --> 0:07:46.320 Hank singing that song. Check it out. I'm the C 0:07:46.520 --> 0:07:48.680 A S and the O B A and the rest. 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:55.280 That's name his name in the bus, the name back 0:07:55.320 --> 0:07:57.680 in the day when you like, like I think love 0:07:57.720 --> 0:08:00.640 Bugg was one of the first people I heard spell 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:04.960 out their name. And when Cats first start rapping, love 0:08:04.960 --> 0:08:08.040 Buck Starsky rest in peace. Okay, when and when Cats 0:08:08.040 --> 0:08:11.880 first started rapping, they were just using whatever cadence was 0:08:11.920 --> 0:08:14.480 out whatever, you know what I mean. So actually people 0:08:14.480 --> 0:08:16.720 are saying I'm the l O V E B, not 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:21.160 realizing nigger. You saying that you somebody else let me included. 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:25.080 And I was mortified when I found out I was 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:28.240 saying that I'm somebody else's name. So from then on, 0:08:28.640 --> 0:08:31.600 I mean, I fact checked my ship before I say anything. 0:08:31.680 --> 0:08:34.319 I'm Nigga, I'm me, I'm not him, I'm not this, 0:08:34.480 --> 0:08:36.480 I'm not that. So that's when I came up with 0:08:36.600 --> 0:08:39.160 I'm the C A S, N O V A and 0:08:39.200 --> 0:08:41.920 the rest of fl y. I spell out my name Nigga. 0:08:42.000 --> 0:08:45.880 So for there cannot be another rhyme like that. There 0:08:46.040 --> 0:08:48.480 is no other casting over flies. So let me ask 0:08:48.520 --> 0:08:51.920 you something well, you more mad at the record the 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:54.160 records perceived to be whack, or were you mad that 0:08:54.240 --> 0:08:57.120 this guy is actually biting my liberals? Or was it evenly? 0:08:58.679 --> 0:09:01.160 I wasn't mad that the record was perceived to be whacked, 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:03.600 because it wasn't perceived to be whacked. The ship was 0:09:03.640 --> 0:09:06.800 a hit. It was a hit. Now when he gave 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:10.480 it to me, I had to like the first copies. 0:09:10.520 --> 0:09:12.680 When he first got him and brought him to my house, 0:09:12.720 --> 0:09:14.760 it was like, yo, check it out. And I put 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:17.040 Ship on the turntable. I let him play. I'm like, yeah, 0:09:17.080 --> 0:09:22.520 I oh, ship all right? After a while, like falling asleep. 0:09:22.760 --> 0:09:27.240 That ship was like twenty minutes long. Yeah, I mean, 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:30.240 and the flying shipped on it and and and hey 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:32.559 the ship. I was saying, you know what I mean? 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:34.960 So I wait to hear my rhymes and to be 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:40.079 like all right. But nobody thought it was The hip 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:42.960 hop community thought it was whacked. Us us niggas, who 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:45.600 I think everybody is whacked, but us, you know what 0:09:45.600 --> 0:09:47.280 I mean, type of ship we didn't have. We wasn't 0:09:47.280 --> 0:09:50.560 open minded like we are the day everybody was whacked 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:52.760 to us. So you know, these niggas was way off 0:09:52.760 --> 0:09:56.160 the chark. So when the song came out, the song 0:09:56.280 --> 0:09:59.560 was trashed to us, but we knew at large this 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:02.040 ship was the fucking hit. And this is what set 0:10:02.080 --> 0:10:05.520 the stage for wrapping hip hop music and mainstream America. 0:10:06.320 --> 0:10:09.079 I mean, was I was I bit about it? You 0:10:09.320 --> 0:10:12.160 fucking right, I'm supposed to be in the sugar Hill game. 0:10:12.960 --> 0:10:16.400 Not that I wanted to be in the sugar Hill okay, 0:10:16.440 --> 0:10:18.719 but but had had had that went the way it 0:10:18.760 --> 0:10:20.560 was supposed to be, I mean, my life would have 0:10:20.600 --> 0:10:22.600 been different. You don't know what the funk would have been. 0:10:22.640 --> 0:10:24.400 I'll tell you what. The sugar game would have been 0:10:24.400 --> 0:10:29.320 a whole lot fucking dope. Because because back then, I 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:32.560 thought it was interesting to see that you guys really 0:10:32.640 --> 0:10:36.200 wasn't recording music. Guys were just making music live facts. 0:10:36.360 --> 0:10:39.360 So so like, how did that transition from from that? 0:10:39.760 --> 0:10:43.800 It was after rappers late, Well, well, we was recording. 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:47.120 We were recording our parties. So that was the first 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:51.200 recordings of hip hop, those tapes, those cassette tapes. That's 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:55.120 the way hip hop started to spread, first locally, you know, domestically, 0:10:55.160 --> 0:10:58.240 and then overseas because Cats was going in the army, 0:10:58.760 --> 0:11:00.920 Casts was going in the service some stuff and taking 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:03.280 their music with them, taking them because that's take. So 0:11:03.320 --> 0:11:05.800 they'll be in Germany, they'll be in call unquer whenever 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:08.959 they stationed that And that's what exposed that music to 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:11.280 other people, like what's that you're listening to? Yo? This 0:11:11.360 --> 0:11:13.280 is hip hop from back home? This and this and that. 0:11:13.840 --> 0:11:15.840 So that was one of the first vehicles that helped 0:11:15.960 --> 0:11:17.960 to spread. And then when the rap music came out, 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:21.199 that the records came out, that changed the whole motherfucking 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:24.080 you know, the paradigm of what it was. It was like, 0:11:24.440 --> 0:11:28.680 now you gotta do this to be successful. I think 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:32.920 we were the last group that that performed. Yeah, the 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:36.079 Cold Crush Brothers was the last hip hop group from 0:11:36.120 --> 0:11:40.760 the first group that that could survive without a record, 0:11:40.920 --> 0:11:43.640 without a hit record, because once that record thing came 0:11:43.640 --> 0:11:46.280 into play, you had to have it to change everything, 0:11:46.640 --> 0:11:48.480 what I mean. So we we had we had a 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:53.160 little longer run than most without a hit record. Now, 0:11:53.240 --> 0:11:57.880 back in the day, that was dressing weird. Yeah, flame 0:11:58.000 --> 0:12:02.720 that ship on the furious. They always want to say 0:12:02.760 --> 0:12:11.520 everybody copied our status and everybody, yeah, we did so 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:14.880 because I'm looking I'm looking something like I said, I'm 0:12:14.880 --> 0:12:16.440 doing my research. And that was a part of the 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:19.200 time in hip hop where everyone always says that, like, yo, 0:12:19.559 --> 0:12:23.480 the original hip hop is dressed like rock stars. And 0:12:23.559 --> 0:12:25.840 now like since Little Wayne kind of like took on 0:12:25.880 --> 0:12:28.520 that rock star pasana, I kind of see it coming back. 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:32.320 But it's a it's a different pasana. It's you know 0:12:32.320 --> 0:12:34.640 what I mean, Well, it's a different era. You know, 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:36.679 So what a rock star looked like back then, it's 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:39.319 different for what a rock star looks like today. And 0:12:39.520 --> 0:12:41.439 it was really punk rock, right what what? What? What? 0:12:41.440 --> 0:12:44.280 What kind of mixed the thing was how it started 0:12:44.320 --> 0:12:46.400 For the Furious Five, I want to speak for nobody, 0:12:46.400 --> 0:12:48.480 but with me and my relationship with Malie Matt we 0:12:48.480 --> 0:12:51.480 talked all the time and pretty much the whole group. Yeah, 0:12:51.520 --> 0:12:55.200 I know the history. And so they once they saw 0:12:55.280 --> 0:12:57.240 making records with sugar Hill, they went on the road 0:12:57.640 --> 0:13:00.679 with groups like Cameo and the Barcade and you know 0:13:00.720 --> 0:13:03.720 what I mean, they were at so they started they 0:13:03.760 --> 0:13:08.839 started emulating the look of stars, you know what I mean, 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:11.440 Rick James, and you know what I mean, we we 0:13:11.480 --> 0:13:14.080 want to separate ourselves from the way the audience looks. 0:13:14.720 --> 0:13:16.920 And I'm believing that wholeheartedly. You know what I mean. 0:13:16.920 --> 0:13:18.200 You go to the show, I don't want to see 0:13:18.200 --> 0:13:23.840 a nigga looked like me. So they they kind of 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:26.199 initiated that as far as hip hop's can serve. When 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:29.160 they came off the road, they had niggas making leather 0:13:29.280 --> 0:13:32.440 outfits with furs and and tassels hanging off them and 0:13:32.679 --> 0:13:34.640 all kind of ship and it was like us, we 0:13:34.720 --> 0:13:37.440 had an excuse for it. We had the record punk 0:13:37.520 --> 0:13:42.560 rock rap, so we were trying to merge the two energies. 0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:53.160 The Hi keep kicking on. We need I need to 0:13:53.240 --> 0:13:57.640 drink something we got to do. Say, let's get it, 0:13:57.720 --> 0:14:01.079 Let's get it. They take a shot a man, I 0:14:01.200 --> 0:14:07.480 got my Japanese minky baby. Listen, and we're gonna set 0:14:07.480 --> 0:14:09.400 it off. Were donna set it off right, all right? 0:14:09.880 --> 0:14:11.440 Graham As a cast, we don't know if you know. 0:14:11.480 --> 0:14:13.640 Our show is about giving the legends they flowers when 0:14:13.679 --> 0:14:16.120 they alive. We started that. We didn't make up the slogan, 0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:18.240 but we started to spread that slogan. And let me 0:14:18.240 --> 0:14:20.000 just tell you something in case you don't know, you 0:14:20.040 --> 0:14:24.080 are appreciated. You are legend. I went and search your history. 0:14:24.360 --> 0:14:26.680 I damn their chairs came out of my eyes when 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:28.960 I was walking, because I was like, damn, I thought 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:31.480 I knew everything about you, and then I just kept 0:14:31.520 --> 0:14:33.280 going and I didn't know the rappers the like ship. 0:14:33.360 --> 0:14:36.400 I definitely that's that's I didn't know that ship I did. 0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:39.600 That's the only thing that I do. Everything up. So 0:14:39.640 --> 0:14:43.120 we're gonna we're gonna motherfucker's salute you while your motherfucking here. 0:14:44.720 --> 0:14:47.320 Let's where you at, cam. Yeah, this is the first time. 0:14:47.360 --> 0:14:49.680 We actually was a second time, Scarfie is the first time. 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:53.880 But look this is actually flowers, real flowers, and this 0:14:54.040 --> 0:14:55.920 is for you. That's right, that's where you got. Damn it, 0:14:57.160 --> 0:15:04.480 that's what that's what's from other North. We again, we 0:15:04.560 --> 0:15:06.880 all full ours got that damn je man, it's a 0:15:06.880 --> 0:15:10.400 hard open up. Come on, come on, pizza, get your 0:15:10.400 --> 0:15:13.840 ass here, come on, come on, let me smoking too. Goddamn, 0:15:13.920 --> 0:15:19.280 let's go and talk about Let's go baby. Yeah told 0:15:19.320 --> 0:15:22.480 him about that. So, um, what are you talking about? Okay, 0:15:23.120 --> 0:15:25.680 the no, I'm gonna switch it up a little bit 0:15:26.240 --> 0:15:28.120 because I barely want to know your opinion on this. 0:15:28.760 --> 0:15:31.360 Did you watch versus the other not? Yes? I did. Yes, 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:37.000 I'm so glad that she broke that up. Okay. That 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:41.760 was the first verses I've ever watched. Okay, Okay, I 0:15:41.760 --> 0:15:43.840 don't know what you want to say. What did you 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:50.040 think of it? Listen this nigga Jada kiss put hands 0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:56.800 and see he showed you what a real m C. 0:15:57.600 --> 0:16:01.960 Yeah it's supposed to do. He did with a real 0:16:02.320 --> 0:16:05.760 m C. Any nigger who considered himself a real m C. 0:16:07.520 --> 0:16:09.960 That's what he was supposed to do. And that's what 0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:14.320 he did. And j DJ, the DJ, yes, he you 0:16:14.360 --> 0:16:16.280 know he if he wasn't on point, that would have 0:16:16.320 --> 0:16:19.840 sucked it up. But I mean, Jada just demanded that ship. 0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:22.440 And with all that angst going back and forth, all 0:16:22.480 --> 0:16:25.560 that get you could anybody could have lost their poise 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:30.520 out there. Jada kept his poise throughout that ship. Okay. 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:35.320 And and they paled in comparison as far as entertainers 0:16:35.920 --> 0:16:41.920 and m c s. Take a shot you Okay. Now 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:45.640 we're gonna keep going with that because I want to cousin. 0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:48.080 You know, I got to ask, how did you feel 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:52.000 when you heard them whining off the vocals? So take 0:16:52.000 --> 0:17:00.880 your shoppers. I'll do a pop up okay with these cats. 0:17:01.000 --> 0:17:07.080 Um it's called bugs and bars. You know, we got vendors, 0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:11.720 we said we and we have like a rap contest. 0:17:13.280 --> 0:17:16.960 The first thing I tell all these young niggas, what's 0:17:17.000 --> 0:17:24.280 that noise like a rabbit? The first thing I tell 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:29.359 these niggas, don't run over your motherfucking music. Every last 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:32.760 one of them that come up do the same thing 0:17:32.800 --> 0:17:35.199 over put their vocal track on and wrap over it. 0:17:36.119 --> 0:17:40.280 That's the most unprofessional ship that you can do, even 0:17:40.280 --> 0:17:43.359 when you ain't a professional. So when you are a professional, 0:17:43.480 --> 0:17:45.719 you know better than that ship, especially if you got 0:17:45.840 --> 0:17:48.879 hit songs. Motherfucker ain't like nobody know your music and 0:17:48.920 --> 0:17:51.159 you gotta throw the vocals on the kind of you 0:17:51.200 --> 0:17:54.879 know you got hits already. You gotta be able to 0:17:54.960 --> 0:17:56.960 rock your ship. And that was the main point that 0:17:56.960 --> 0:17:59.879 that killed him because like me, me um, I've been 0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:02.080 the game twenty four years now, right, But I do 0:18:02.160 --> 0:18:04.840 have records where I've never collected the instrumental. I only 0:18:04.880 --> 0:18:07.800 got two I got sometimes and I don't have the 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:10.359 instrumental to that, and I don't have the instruments until 0:18:10.480 --> 0:18:14.440 I'm leaving. But so when I perform them, the beat play, 0:18:14.480 --> 0:18:16.000 but when it comes from my vocals, I put the 0:18:16.040 --> 0:18:18.320 vocals all the way down, so everyone knows that I'm 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:21.920 rhumbling above this ship, and they noticed I'm you either 0:18:22.000 --> 0:18:24.680 put the vocals down or you bring your vocals up. 0:18:25.040 --> 0:18:26.920 You know what I mean. If you're rhyming over your track, 0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:30.359 you rhyme over you. You understand what I'm saying that 0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:33.280 because everybody got a joints where they ain't got no 0:18:33.960 --> 0:18:36.760 instrumental to ye. It happens to me all the time. 0:18:36.800 --> 0:18:39.879 But that's how I learned how to emote and you know, 0:18:40.000 --> 0:18:45.520 go over my ship exactly like two niggers and you 0:18:45.600 --> 0:18:47.919 know what I mean. So, yeah, that was important. That 0:18:48.000 --> 0:18:50.080 was important, and that was a dope point that he made. 0:18:50.280 --> 0:18:52.280 And that was a big, you know, a big reason 0:18:52.320 --> 0:18:54.320 for the l I mean, if you would have just 0:18:54.400 --> 0:18:58.280 played each other's records and nobody got on to perform, 0:18:58.640 --> 0:19:00.800 it would have been a little closer because but the 0:19:00.840 --> 0:19:03.439 performance part of it is what took him over the 0:19:03.480 --> 0:19:05.760 top because it was funny because it reminded me of 0:19:05.880 --> 0:19:11.480 you guys. Uh again, what was the first five you guys? 0:19:11.600 --> 0:19:14.480 And it reminded me of what you said. You said 0:19:14.720 --> 0:19:17.720 you thought you lost that night, but you went back 0:19:17.720 --> 0:19:20.199 and listened to the tape and he said corner to 0:19:20.200 --> 0:19:23.719 the tapes, it was it was different. It wasn't me 0:19:23.840 --> 0:19:26.080 that thought we lost. It was it was, you know, 0:19:26.160 --> 0:19:29.040 we we lost to the crowd. You know, in the 0:19:29.080 --> 0:19:31.640 crowd they said who one day they cheered for them, 0:19:31.680 --> 0:19:33.720 they cheered for but they cheered louder for the for 0:19:33.840 --> 0:19:36.760 the Fantastic five, you know mostly I mean, you know, 0:19:37.160 --> 0:19:42.480 females and but but because it was the visual it 0:19:42.600 --> 0:19:44.639 was the excitement of the moment. They was the last 0:19:44.680 --> 0:19:46.960 ones on and all that. But when you went home 0:19:47.000 --> 0:19:49.919 and took that tape home and you just listen without 0:19:50.000 --> 0:19:53.040 all the visuals, without all that, just listen, you was like, wait, 0:19:53.320 --> 0:19:55.919 funk out here, nigga bus staying and I'm thinking that 0:19:56.040 --> 0:19:58.360 they don't sound better than there, you know what I mean. 0:19:58.800 --> 0:20:02.560 So that was on us get our visuals up. So 0:20:03.119 --> 0:20:07.560 and they had Eyeline on too and three and for 0:20:07.800 --> 0:20:10.439 them is light skinned. They say, we didn't have a chance, 0:20:11.280 --> 0:20:18.520 we didn't have a shot. We're talking all right, let's 0:20:18.520 --> 0:20:21.760 go whatever the hell you want. But that's a super 0:20:21.840 --> 0:20:26.480 dug like the two got them and got them. So 0:20:26.480 --> 0:20:30.400 so back then this record comes out rappers a light right, 0:20:31.359 --> 0:20:34.080 Everybody saying, is that now what what people are saying, 0:20:34.119 --> 0:20:36.720 because at first it was important to have your tape 0:20:36.720 --> 0:20:39.280 circulate in throughout the city and things like that. So 0:20:39.359 --> 0:20:42.119 it does that shift that everyone wants to be on 0:20:42.200 --> 0:20:45.119 records now, yeah, okay, it was. It was a shift 0:20:45.160 --> 0:20:47.520 that made people okay, oh we can make records, we 0:20:47.520 --> 0:20:50.680 can put and think that was something that was possible. Exactly. 0:20:50.880 --> 0:20:53.480 Nobody was thinking that way. The closer we got to it, 0:20:54.280 --> 0:20:57.439 Me and my my first DJ partner, disco with all 0:20:57.520 --> 0:21:01.400 Right on the first suspend, next in in hip hop 0:21:01.720 --> 0:21:03.919 and most of the first hispanics in hip hop was 0:21:03.960 --> 0:21:10.040 down with me trying to whip a whip, Charlie Chase, 0:21:11.080 --> 0:21:22.760 Joe Conzo, I'm gonna focus Fox with my morties. That 0:21:23.280 --> 0:21:30.360 so um, just just that association, you know, just I mean, 0:21:30.440 --> 0:21:35.159 just differentiated you know, me from because because I imagine 0:21:35.160 --> 0:21:37.560 I'm sorry to cut you off, because I imagine at first, 0:21:39.520 --> 0:21:43.200 especially were rappers are light and especially even my day 0:21:43.400 --> 0:21:45.000 like at first used to be whacked to be on 0:21:45.040 --> 0:21:48.000 the radio. At first, It's like yo, like you was 0:21:48.040 --> 0:21:51.240 still want to be commercial, underground, that was us, But 0:21:51.400 --> 0:21:54.720 I've dumb masked. We didn't want to make a record. 0:21:55.160 --> 0:21:56.480 We don't want to we didn't want to go to 0:21:56.520 --> 0:22:01.800 a label when rappers the light came out, Uh, it 0:22:01.920 --> 0:22:06.000 was labeled. The labels that was out was Enjoy, Enjoy, 0:22:06.040 --> 0:22:10.359 Bobby Robinson, but he rested peace? Whose son is Ronnie 0:22:10.440 --> 0:22:16.680 d from the Disco four? May he rest in peace? Okay? Well, 0:22:16.720 --> 0:22:19.960 Bobby had the whole roster of early hip hop artists. 0:22:20.200 --> 0:22:24.440 He had a Furious five, the Treacherous three, the Fielders four, 0:22:24.880 --> 0:22:28.000 talking in the all Stars, I mean, and and all 0:22:28.040 --> 0:22:31.960 the and the band that he had had. All the 0:22:32.119 --> 0:22:34.880 music sounded tight. We didn't want to do We didn't 0:22:34.920 --> 0:22:37.520 want to go run the Enjoy because they had signed 0:22:37.560 --> 0:22:39.680 all these other people before them. So it's like we 0:22:39.720 --> 0:22:42.160 ain't gonna go get on the back of nobody line. 0:22:42.200 --> 0:22:44.040 We all of things out in the street and Russell 0:22:44.080 --> 0:22:46.680 was not involved. No, Russell not involved at this time. 0:22:46.920 --> 0:22:50.760 Russell's like like on the f with Curtis blow right, 0:22:50.840 --> 0:22:52.800 you know what I mean? And when when run was 0:22:52.920 --> 0:22:58.440 Curtis blows d j Um damn, I lost my thought. 0:22:58.680 --> 0:23:00.879 Um um, we we're talking. You're saying you didn't want 0:23:00.880 --> 0:23:02.320 to sign. Some didn't want to we didn't want to 0:23:02.359 --> 0:23:05.280 sign to the label. We was like, yeah, that's Porty records. 0:23:05.600 --> 0:23:08.760 I mean, we were playing in Harlem world, were playing 0:23:08.800 --> 0:23:11.359 the Bridgeport, playing and this and this and that. But 0:23:11.400 --> 0:23:17.879 a little by little, you know what, the the recorium 0:23:17.960 --> 0:23:22.240 or whatever you wanna call it changed for you being hot. 0:23:22.920 --> 0:23:24.199 You could be hot in the street, but if you 0:23:24.200 --> 0:23:27.880 don't have no record. We was headlining when New Edition 0:23:28.000 --> 0:23:33.040 came out. Well Vonnie, Bobby Wicky and Mike Yeah, yeah, 0:23:33.520 --> 0:23:39.800 they opened up for us. Run DMC opened up for us. 0:23:39.840 --> 0:23:47.000 So for us, for us that was more important because 0:23:47.040 --> 0:23:50.320 we didn't see that the future was just gonna be records. 0:23:50.600 --> 0:23:53.080 And then after you got hit records, then you do 0:23:53.119 --> 0:23:55.359 the performance. There's not a lot of people who don't 0:23:55.359 --> 0:23:58.120 make records out here doing shows and ship that's viable 0:23:59.000 --> 0:24:04.040 coming second. So but in hindsight, you know what I mean, 0:24:04.720 --> 0:24:08.040 we could have gotten the back of anybody's bandwagon or 0:24:08.080 --> 0:24:10.199 whatever and made our way to the front of it, 0:24:10.800 --> 0:24:15.800 you know. But because we went another route, our commercial 0:24:15.960 --> 0:24:22.680 success didn't uh compare with our ground level success, right 0:24:22.760 --> 0:24:25.360 and our show, which was the best show in hip 0:24:25.400 --> 0:24:30.040 hop at the time, didn't translate to vinyl. We weren't 0:24:30.040 --> 0:24:32.479 able to translate that energy that we brought to the 0:24:32.560 --> 0:24:36.040 stage and that, you know to Vinyl. So what was 0:24:36.080 --> 0:24:38.000 the second hit, because I think it was Rapper said, like, 0:24:38.200 --> 0:24:40.800 then it was another record and then it was the Message, right, 0:24:40.800 --> 0:24:43.119 it was pre it was two records before rapping the Light. 0:24:43.240 --> 0:24:48.480 The intros pretty much was uh Um King Tim the 0:24:48.560 --> 0:24:54.080 three Okay Okay, and then Jocko Rhythm Talk by Jocko. 0:24:54.200 --> 0:24:58.080 The fifties radio DJ had a joint with the Fat 0:24:58.119 --> 0:25:00.240 back Man and then after rapping, said like was that 0:25:00.800 --> 0:25:04.040 after Robbins of Life, Oh, a sequence came out with 0:25:04.200 --> 0:25:11.280 funk up Um. They started, uh, they started to sign everybody, 0:25:11.280 --> 0:25:15.640 the Crash Crew, the Treacherous three, Busy Be was over 0:25:15.640 --> 0:25:18.040 there at one time, you know, so everything for a 0:25:18.040 --> 0:25:20.520 while with Sugar Hills, Sugar Hills, sugar Hill, they had 0:25:20.520 --> 0:25:24.960 it unlocked it before Death Jam. Sugar Hill was we're 0:25:24.960 --> 0:25:28.600 talking from seventy nine to like eighty two, eighty three, 0:25:29.560 --> 0:25:31.800 eight four, Yeah, into the early eighties, you know what 0:25:31.840 --> 0:25:34.639 I mean, until like eighty four when when Death Jam 0:25:34.760 --> 0:25:38.159 started and Run d M seeing them just that was 0:25:38.240 --> 0:25:40.960 like from run DMC on, it was just different from 0:25:40.960 --> 0:25:44.720 there they was. They was the dividing line between our 0:25:45.440 --> 0:25:48.480 era and the next era, not recently. We just saw 0:25:48.520 --> 0:25:52.480 that daylast Soul. God bless them brothers. They finally got 0:25:52.520 --> 0:25:59.600 their masters back. How do you feel about that? Is 0:25:59.840 --> 0:26:02.480 that a struggle that you go through? Yeah? Yeah, my 0:26:02.520 --> 0:26:06.160 group went through, but we don't got as many masters, 0:26:04.840 --> 0:26:09.400 say what I'm saying, But yeah, we had to struggle 0:26:09.440 --> 0:26:11.639 with the record company and ship like that because they 0:26:11.680 --> 0:26:14.800 were you know, like doing license and deals with our 0:26:14.880 --> 0:26:17.000 music and stuff like that, with us not knowing shit 0:26:17.119 --> 0:26:19.359 about it and all kind of will ship. And like 0:26:19.400 --> 0:26:21.720 I said, we don't got the biggest and the longest catalog, 0:26:21.800 --> 0:26:23.400 but I don't give a funk if it's one thing. 0:26:23.680 --> 0:26:27.160 If it's three dollars, that's my three dollars. You understand 0:26:27.200 --> 0:26:31.640 what I'm saying. And I wanted so um yeah, yeah, 0:26:31.680 --> 0:26:33.480 we went through the lawyer thing and did what we 0:26:33.480 --> 0:26:35.040 had to do, you know, to get our ship to 0:26:35.119 --> 0:26:37.480 return to us. That now we are in control. We 0:26:37.520 --> 0:26:40.560 don't own it out right yet, but we own. You 0:26:40.600 --> 0:26:44.880 can't do nothing with it without space type ship. Um. 0:26:45.240 --> 0:26:48.440 We did a joint for Apple not too long ago 0:26:48.520 --> 0:26:51.600 for the iPhone and eleven and they used our saw him. Yeah, 0:26:51.640 --> 0:26:54.520 I mean and boom. You got to break Boom. So 0:26:54.960 --> 0:26:57.600 that was a good look back they would have got 0:26:57.640 --> 0:27:00.879 all that money, they got all that money, no better not. 0:27:00.720 --> 0:27:03.840 I'm not really understanding how you couldn't get a piece 0:27:03.880 --> 0:27:06.359 of rappers delight? What was the business model that doesn't 0:27:06.359 --> 0:27:08.479 allow you to do that? When he's clearly saying your 0:27:08.520 --> 0:27:11.399 name in the verse. The business model is the crook model. 0:27:11.520 --> 0:27:13.800 That's that, that's the model. But what I'm saying, like, 0:27:13.840 --> 0:27:19.520 how can someone not say that these niggas don't don't, 0:27:19.600 --> 0:27:26.359 don't know no better Robert model meaning them all you then, Okay, 0:27:26.480 --> 0:27:29.159 that whole record industry, I mean, that's part of the 0:27:29.200 --> 0:27:31.840 record business, especially back then. Yeah, you know what I 0:27:31.840 --> 0:27:33.840 mean that because none of us knew nothing, No, none 0:27:33.880 --> 0:27:35.959 of us knew ship. Were just happy to be on 0:27:36.000 --> 0:27:38.199 the record. And that ship goes back to all the 0:27:38.240 --> 0:27:41.520 way back to you know what I mean, the artists 0:27:41.520 --> 0:27:45.439 from back in the day. Okay, we're just happy to 0:27:45.520 --> 0:27:47.159 do what we do and be on the record and 0:27:47.200 --> 0:27:50.040 get famous from it. We don't learn later on, you 0:27:50.080 --> 0:27:53.240 know how fun over we we've been, you know, until 0:27:53.560 --> 0:27:55.959 you know, it's sets in, sets in on all of us. 0:27:55.960 --> 0:27:58.080 At some point when you think about I heard that 0:27:58.160 --> 0:28:01.120 back then, that Sam Cook was the only black man 0:28:01.520 --> 0:28:03.879 who owns his master, and then all of a sudden, 0:28:03.920 --> 0:28:06.520 no one can tell you how he died. Fact like 0:28:06.600 --> 0:28:11.719 no one can should they say about Prince? Yeah yeah 0:28:11.800 --> 0:28:14.480 yeah yeah. As soon as you start talking that independent 0:28:14.840 --> 0:28:19.560 from the system ship. Yeah, you're talking and anything in anything, 0:28:19.960 --> 0:28:22.119 you're gonna do another shop. I'm doing the show that 0:28:22.160 --> 0:28:24.199 should drink, do a shot to do a shot out? 0:28:24.480 --> 0:28:26.959 Yeah yeah yeah. You want you want you don't want 0:28:26.960 --> 0:28:29.200 to whiskey? Do you don't? You don't want to mix 0:28:29.200 --> 0:28:31.119 it up, don't want miss it up. Let me know 0:28:31.119 --> 0:28:37.719 if he wants to a little ice ship yeah yeah yeah, yah, 0:28:37.760 --> 0:28:44.280 yeah yeah yeah yeah. I'm putting in this carp now, 0:28:44.320 --> 0:28:46.520 that's that Japanese whiskey right there, all right. If he 0:28:46.560 --> 0:28:47.960 wants some ice in there, that takes Mike, I don't 0:28:47.960 --> 0:28:53.160 want to touch it myself. Thank you, brother, Yo, motherfucking 0:28:53.200 --> 0:28:57.520 grand master Cat. I'm mad. I'm mad, happy, bro, I'm 0:28:57.560 --> 0:28:59.680 like a kid in the candy machine right now. It 0:29:00.040 --> 0:29:15.360 is right there, soottle my brother. So that's a question 0:29:15.400 --> 0:29:18.880 I asked everybody who comes here. But you can actually 0:29:19.040 --> 0:29:23.080 really really answer this question. Did you ever think hip 0:29:23.080 --> 0:29:27.000 hop and make it this fun? No, but I always 0:29:27.240 --> 0:29:31.480 hope that it would oc could you had the potential? Yeah, 0:29:32.160 --> 0:29:37.800 I'm stopping you for a second because why why because 0:29:37.880 --> 0:29:40.040 it was it just like a basement party type of 0:29:40.040 --> 0:29:42.720 thing when it first invented. Or I'm curious to say, 0:29:42.840 --> 0:29:48.160 I'm here. You you you, you gotta understand. When we 0:29:48.200 --> 0:29:51.440 first started doing hip hop, people looking at us like, 0:29:51.520 --> 0:29:54.360 what the fund is wrong with you? Like what the 0:29:54.360 --> 0:29:57.160 fun is? Imagine you know from the from the dancing, 0:29:57.640 --> 0:30:00.440 you know what I mean, from the break dancing especially, Yeah, 0:30:00.520 --> 0:30:02.720 mean the funk y'all rolling around on the floor for 0:30:03.280 --> 0:30:07.880 sucking up your clothes. That was the attitude. And then 0:30:07.880 --> 0:30:09.840 if you and you can't go you can't be in 0:30:09.920 --> 0:30:12.440 a party and ask a girl and dann yo, who's 0:30:12.480 --> 0:30:15.080 up short? Do you want dance? And then bring it 0:30:15.160 --> 0:30:17.560 out to the dance floors and start spinning on the 0:30:17.640 --> 0:30:26.040 fucking floor. All right. It's just like me. So if 0:30:26.080 --> 0:30:28.040 we was on our own with the ship for a 0:30:28.040 --> 0:30:32.760 while before it got cooler. Other people, my parents are friends, 0:30:32.960 --> 0:30:35.400 y'all ain't gonna never get nowhere doing that hivity. How 0:30:35.560 --> 0:30:40.760 they ship ain't even take the name of this ship serious? Everything? 0:30:41.480 --> 0:30:45.480 This ship alright, motherfucker drug dealers. Oh you're gonna working 0:30:45.520 --> 0:30:49.040 with them hip hop niggas. Tell a biture, Oh yo, 0:30:49.120 --> 0:30:52.719 you're with them hip hop niggas over there. Hur So 0:30:52.760 --> 0:30:55.080 it wasn't. It wasn't a positive thing for a while. 0:30:56.800 --> 0:30:59.600 It's the fucking biggest genre of music and the fucking 0:31:00.480 --> 0:31:03.360 had I know, I would be a real thick head 0:31:03.360 --> 0:31:05.520 if I sit here and tell you, yeah, I knew 0:31:05.520 --> 0:31:07.600 it would be this big, and I ain't got this 0:31:07.760 --> 0:31:11.200 much percenter this ship. If I knew I had an 0:31:11.200 --> 0:31:21.200 eight in this ship, I would this ship would have 0:31:21.280 --> 0:31:26.479 to go through me, or at least me and my peers. 0:31:27.360 --> 0:31:30.880 I mean me, cool, hurt, you know what I mean, Flash, 0:31:31.000 --> 0:31:33.040 you know what I mean. Mel You I mean like 0:31:33.120 --> 0:31:35.240 a counsel, you know what I mean, and have a 0:31:35.440 --> 0:31:37.480 union of this ship that we would have had a 0:31:37.520 --> 0:31:40.720 hole on hip hop. Whereas that can't be a hip 0:31:40.720 --> 0:31:47.080 hop chicken store in Baltimore. Hip hop motherfucking fried chicken, 0:31:47.160 --> 0:31:53.240 my nigger. I got the box in my house, So 0:31:53.440 --> 0:31:56.800 I mean, what other entity you know that anybody can 0:31:56.880 --> 0:31:58.560 just take it and just run with it and do 0:31:58.600 --> 0:32:03.440 what the funk they want with talk hip hop. I 0:32:03.520 --> 0:32:08.280 can't do that ship with nothing else. So because there 0:32:08.360 --> 0:32:12.680 was no there was no organized you know union, No 0:32:12.680 --> 0:32:16.320 nobody sat down, set no rules by laws or whatever. Nobody, 0:32:18.160 --> 0:32:22.520 uh like trademark this ship. There's no ownership of hip hop. 0:32:25.440 --> 0:32:28.560 So now it could be a hip hop any fucking thing, 0:32:28.720 --> 0:32:31.120 you know what I mean, And that's that's nasty. But 0:32:31.320 --> 0:32:33.320 wasn't zo Nation trying to do some stuff like that? 0:32:33.720 --> 0:32:36.920 Nation has always trying to organize hip hop. I mean first, 0:32:37.680 --> 0:32:39.960 you know, through the family, you know, first making it 0:32:40.000 --> 0:32:44.880 an organization, you know, based on the principles of peace, unity, 0:32:44.960 --> 0:32:47.440 love and having fun, you know what I mean. As 0:32:47.480 --> 0:32:50.120 far as a business model, you know, that was based 0:32:50.160 --> 0:32:54.680 around Bambada and his you know, musical endeavors and stuff 0:32:54.720 --> 0:32:57.560 like that and other things they got into. But they 0:32:57.640 --> 0:33:00.719 did what what what they did early on on was 0:33:01.240 --> 0:33:05.280 unite us under one umbrella call hip hop. Hip Hop 0:33:05.320 --> 0:33:09.040 didn't have a name when we started. We just started out, 0:33:09.080 --> 0:33:12.320 let's do the hip hop thing. Nah. The name hip 0:33:12.360 --> 0:33:18.680 hop came from a cadence in Marching. M hmm, yeah, 0:33:18.680 --> 0:33:24.640 I don't. Grandmaster Flash was playing at a party all right, 0:33:25.920 --> 0:33:28.760 and one a cowboy, Keith Cowboy, one of his the 0:33:28.920 --> 0:33:32.360 mcs may he rest in peace. What's going into the 0:33:32.520 --> 0:33:36.480 army next day? So he's working with him on the 0:33:36.560 --> 0:33:39.280 Mikey like, yeah, so it's I forgot to do name somebody, No, 0:33:39.440 --> 0:33:41.600 but I forgot his name. He was like, yeah someone 0:33:41.720 --> 0:33:43.640 so this and that. Yeah, you're having a good time. 0:33:43.720 --> 0:33:46.160 Now you party and now with the mar Yeah, it's 0:33:46.160 --> 0:33:47.960 gonna be getting up at the crack of dawn like 0:33:48.160 --> 0:33:52.800 here here here, you know that Caden's when they walk. 0:33:54.840 --> 0:34:00.200 That's where hip hop came from. All right, now it's crazy. 0:34:00.560 --> 0:34:04.040 And then that that that cadence became repeated so much 0:34:04.080 --> 0:34:08.760 it became like the signature thing ahead until hip hop 0:34:08.880 --> 0:34:11.719 the words hip hop form and then love buck Star 0:34:11.800 --> 0:34:14.520 Sky was the one who really kind of took it 0:34:14.640 --> 0:34:17.280 over the top with the head to hop, the head 0:34:17.120 --> 0:34:19.640 the hop to hop, the hop him and been hip 0:34:19.680 --> 0:34:24.840 hip hip hop was the most repeated phrase throughout our conversation. 0:34:25.360 --> 0:34:28.399 So hip hop became the name of our culture. Got 0:34:28.440 --> 0:34:34.240 there makes a noise, moving around a little bit, were 0:34:34.239 --> 0:34:39.759 bouncing around something that I didn't know, Um, DJ Hollywood, right, 0:34:40.120 --> 0:34:43.960 I didn't know DJ Hollywood was consider disco because why 0:34:43.960 --> 0:34:46.400 didn't you know that? Because what was the song that 0:34:46.400 --> 0:34:49.200 he had at one point, tang Wu tang, I don't 0:34:49.200 --> 0:34:53.279 want to know my honey bun and Henty's over that. 0:34:53.400 --> 0:34:58.040 You young, youll befit, no doubt, I know that that one. 0:34:58.600 --> 0:35:03.400 Hip hop, Well, Hollywood precedes hip hop, you know what 0:35:03.440 --> 0:35:05.520 I mean, And and Hollywood just kind of in a 0:35:05.600 --> 0:35:08.960 difficult place. But you know, between hip hop and what 0:35:09.160 --> 0:35:11.600 happened before hip hop, you know what I mean, he 0:35:11.640 --> 0:35:16.360 was a direct influence on what came next. The next 0:35:17.000 --> 0:35:20.440 generation of DJ's you know what I mean, got whatever 0:35:20.480 --> 0:35:24.480 they got from DJ Hollywood because like t paying Future, 0:35:24.920 --> 0:35:28.200 all of them, people who use melodic music gotta kind 0:35:28.200 --> 0:35:30.759 of give it to Hollywood. Well, I mean, yeah, he 0:35:30.880 --> 0:35:34.520 was that you know, crowd rocker, that calling response King. 0:35:35.320 --> 0:35:38.239 He had a report with the audience. He was funny 0:35:38.360 --> 0:35:42.879 and he was like that. But m c s as 0:35:42.920 --> 0:35:45.680 we know mcs today, you know what I mean, you 0:35:45.760 --> 0:35:48.319 thought a beat on and these niggers getting in that 0:35:48.400 --> 0:35:53.960 didn't come until our generation. And there was a time 0:35:54.000 --> 0:35:56.799 if he went to a club that Hollywood was playing in, 0:35:57.239 --> 0:35:59.600 you couldn't get in with sneakers. First of all, he 0:35:59.680 --> 0:36:03.239 had to dress up. If they caught your ass breakdancing, 0:36:03.280 --> 0:36:08.880 and that they broke your security. But I found that out. 0:36:08.960 --> 0:36:11.319 That's it hurt me. Yeah. Yeah, So that's part of 0:36:11.360 --> 0:36:14.920 the mystique why people say Hollywood is not, you know, 0:36:15.080 --> 0:36:18.120 it's hip hop. He because he precedes hip hop, but 0:36:18.200 --> 0:36:22.239 he definitely influenced hip hop. I can see that. I 0:36:22.239 --> 0:36:25.000 can see that. So, um, what's your favorite part of 0:36:25.080 --> 0:36:27.600 hip hop? Isn't making it the record? Performing the record? 0:36:28.160 --> 0:36:38.520 Um Records is not really my my forte so to speak. 0:36:38.640 --> 0:36:44.120 I haven't had. I just haven't had that constant studio 0:36:44.360 --> 0:36:47.520 environment that you know a lot of artists have, uh 0:36:47.560 --> 0:36:50.319 for like Park for example, when Pot came home, Park 0:36:50.440 --> 0:36:54.360 lived in the studio for two weeks or months or whatever, 0:36:54.440 --> 0:36:56.320 you know what I mean. He went from studio to 0:36:56.440 --> 0:36:59.640 studio to studio, and you know what I mean. And 0:37:00.000 --> 0:37:02.799 in order to become that prolific, you have to be 0:37:02.840 --> 0:37:08.120 a demand like that. Uh LLL cool J eleven albums? 0:37:08.520 --> 0:37:11.879 Who the fuck makes eleven albums? Who gets to make 0:37:11.960 --> 0:37:15.600 eleven albums? And hip hop? Maybe now because independently you 0:37:15.600 --> 0:37:18.520 can make a hunted But who gets signed to a 0:37:18.600 --> 0:37:22.840 label to eleven fucking album deal successful albums to exactly 0:37:22.880 --> 0:37:28.800 most of them? So I'm gonna keep it on it. 0:37:30.920 --> 0:37:33.040 But but I mean, but that's the thing. So the 0:37:33.120 --> 0:37:36.080 opportunities that you have, you know, have a lot to 0:37:36.120 --> 0:37:39.400 do with how productive you are. You know what I mean. 0:37:39.560 --> 0:37:42.759 Today you can make a record in your house. I 0:37:42.760 --> 0:37:47.200 mean it sounds just as good as you know. I 0:37:47.200 --> 0:37:51.000 ain't say all of them because you could, you could, 0:37:51.480 --> 0:37:58.480 because like, yeah, that's just sound like about your I'm 0:37:58.480 --> 0:38:02.640 my engineer. You need let me bragging about me at 0:38:02.680 --> 0:38:06.960 your own But so this is famous jay Z line, right, 0:38:07.800 --> 0:38:10.680 he said, I'm over charging niggas for what they did 0:38:10.719 --> 0:38:16.120 to the cold cork. Where are you at when you 0:38:16.239 --> 0:38:20.120 hear this? And as you say, yeah, what are you saying? 0:38:20.160 --> 0:38:22.040 What you're talking about? Well, I'm gonna tell you what happens, 0:38:23.560 --> 0:38:26.800 you know, is you know came out. Listen listen that. 0:38:27.320 --> 0:38:30.759 So now my phone started ringing off the hood. Yo, Yo, 0:38:30.800 --> 0:38:34.279 you heard jay Z said, yeah, yeah, yeah, I heard it. 0:38:34.280 --> 0:38:37.160 I heard, yo, jay Z hood like like like all day, 0:38:37.200 --> 0:38:40.920 one of them type. So like somebody I was sitting 0:38:40.920 --> 0:38:42.560 and somebody asked me, yo, what you think about that? 0:38:42.640 --> 0:38:46.799 Jay Z? You know, I said, I think you know, 0:38:47.320 --> 0:38:50.680 he's robbing from the rich in the name of the poor. 0:38:54.960 --> 0:39:01.319 Love that now, Robin hood robbed from the rich and 0:39:01.520 --> 0:39:06.479 gave it to the poor. He arrived from the rich 0:39:06.880 --> 0:39:10.160 in the name of the poor, Like I'm a tax 0:39:10.400 --> 0:39:14.799 all you motherfucker's out there extra okay for what? You 0:39:14.840 --> 0:39:19.760 didn't give these niggers right here? H but he didn't 0:39:19.800 --> 0:39:25.160 give these niggs right? It wasn't right? So what what? 0:39:25.320 --> 0:39:27.360 What are my mothers think of it? I think it 0:39:27.440 --> 0:39:29.440 was a statement. What I mean it was. You know, 0:39:29.600 --> 0:39:32.719 Jay's a clever motherfucker. Yeah if a rhyme when he 0:39:32.760 --> 0:39:35.160 when he comes to it, it's like okay, all right, yeah, 0:39:35.200 --> 0:39:37.799 I'm gonna throw that there. But I mean we didn't 0:39:37.800 --> 0:39:40.040 get a call from Jay. You know, no non bank 0:39:40.080 --> 0:39:42.680 accounts went up and none of that ship. So it 0:39:42.800 --> 0:39:46.920 was just you know, another clever jay Z line. No, 0:39:47.040 --> 0:39:49.400 but honestly what he was saying. But my point is this, 0:39:49.560 --> 0:39:52.319 let me ask you what's there? Were you going through 0:39:52.360 --> 0:39:57.840 something with the lady at that time? Or I would 0:39:58.200 --> 0:40:00.200 I would first of all, I would like to talk 0:40:00.239 --> 0:40:03.239 to Jay and be like, what did they do to 0:40:03.280 --> 0:40:06.680 the code crush? Right? What you know that you don't know? 0:40:07.640 --> 0:40:11.440 I know they did something. I know they get something, 0:40:12.719 --> 0:40:18.960 you know, and I know that they did something so 0:40:20.480 --> 0:40:22.400 I'm like, you know what I mean. So, I mean, 0:40:22.440 --> 0:40:25.279 there's a lot of industry secrets and ship like that 0:40:25.280 --> 0:40:27.359 that went on back in the days. Niggas got black 0:40:27.400 --> 0:40:29.000 Ball for the for the sof you could have been 0:40:29.000 --> 0:40:32.319 sucking one of these niggas joints, you know what I mean, 0:40:32.440 --> 0:40:34.759 And for that reason, you don't get signed to a 0:40:34.800 --> 0:40:37.520 record label or some ship like that. So people of 0:40:37.680 --> 0:40:41.200 people wherever you go. So there's a lot of reasons 0:40:41.280 --> 0:40:44.279 for people being where they are and people not being 0:40:44.320 --> 0:40:48.200 where they are, right and you do you believe in 0:40:48.239 --> 0:40:51.320 that like black ball and ship in the industry? Hell yeah, 0:40:51.480 --> 0:40:58.560 you know. I mean, man, listen, I'm gonna be honest. 0:41:00.080 --> 0:41:02.879 It might not be as organized as you think. It's 0:41:02.880 --> 0:41:05.600 not as organized it is. It's a thing where people 0:41:05.640 --> 0:41:09.240 tell people look at it. It me me, in my opinion, 0:41:10.680 --> 0:41:13.319 there's something that exists. But in this certain ship that's 0:41:13.360 --> 0:41:17.759 just common sense. It's like, just give an example, a 0:41:17.760 --> 0:41:22.160 little oozy verse says fun Grandmaster cats right, and then 0:41:22.239 --> 0:41:24.440 wants to do drink Champs that week, and we say, no, 0:41:25.480 --> 0:41:29.279 we were cats. People might take that as that's being 0:41:29.360 --> 0:41:32.239 black ball, but that's just standing with my homie. But 0:41:32.360 --> 0:41:35.200 that is being black ball too. No, No, everybody stopped 0:41:35.239 --> 0:41:37.839 working with you. But it's the beginning that if you 0:41:37.880 --> 0:41:40.239 can't get signed to a record deal no more. If 0:41:40.280 --> 0:41:43.360 you ain't getting shows niggas, ain't your whole ship stop, 0:41:43.600 --> 0:41:46.000 that's getting black Yeah. I mean if you you might 0:41:46.040 --> 0:41:48.479 get black ball from normally show, but it ain't gonna 0:41:48.480 --> 0:41:52.239 stop your whole motherfucking machine, like the even though this 0:41:52.360 --> 0:41:54.359 is a that's a bad thing to get black ball from, 0:41:54.400 --> 0:42:04.000 drink might like. For instance, me and OS had a 0:42:04.040 --> 0:42:07.799 little dispute back in the days, right, I didn't think 0:42:07.800 --> 0:42:09.239 he was black balling me. I don't think he's sent 0:42:09.360 --> 0:42:11.680 out the message black ball. But at the same token, 0:42:11.920 --> 0:42:14.000 a lot of people did not want to stand next 0:42:14.040 --> 0:42:17.799 to me. You beat people with eyes. I think that's 0:42:17.800 --> 0:42:21.200 a form of black I don't think I think I 0:42:21.200 --> 0:42:23.400 think it is. I think don't. And people want to 0:42:23.400 --> 0:42:25.600 do business with you, and then they stopped working with 0:42:25.680 --> 0:42:28.120 a person because they want to do business with you 0:42:28.200 --> 0:42:30.080 and they don't want to run for those feathers. To me, 0:42:30.120 --> 0:42:32.040 that's black black balling as well. You know what black 0:42:32.080 --> 0:42:35.640 balling is. Black balling is when an executive telling motherfucker 0:42:35.719 --> 0:42:39.720 other executives listen, this nigger here right here or whatever, 0:42:39.800 --> 0:42:42.640 such the such that's and that who don't work with him? 0:42:42.640 --> 0:42:44.840 Mind just as a favor of me, don't work with right, 0:42:44.880 --> 0:42:49.160 that's official blacks. That's black. Now, maybe do you go 0:42:49.280 --> 0:42:51.239 to get shut in your motherfucking face and you don't 0:42:51.320 --> 0:42:53.920 understand why you're honest that something nigger you picked some 0:42:54.040 --> 0:42:58.719 nigga off some nigga influence of man. Yeah, understand that 0:42:58.840 --> 0:43:00.840 that I Honestand and you don't that exists. No, I 0:43:00.880 --> 0:43:04.160 believe that exists, but not to the level like I said, 0:43:04.160 --> 0:43:07.120 like to the level of that like that we think, 0:43:07.160 --> 0:43:09.520 like we just think like you make a disrecord towards 0:43:09.520 --> 0:43:12.040 somebody and then you're just you're just black ball. It's 0:43:12.040 --> 0:43:16.960 not everybody doesn't happened magically because everyone's really not that powerful. 0:43:17.000 --> 0:43:19.640 Like the further you get, the further you get, like 0:43:19.640 --> 0:43:22.040 you've been realizing that some of these dudes Frank's they 0:43:22.080 --> 0:43:24.000 just act like that, you know, saying, somebod these dudes 0:43:24.080 --> 0:43:26.360 straight bozos. You're like, this is who I looked up to, 0:43:26.800 --> 0:43:28.239 Like you know what I'm saying. Like the and the 0:43:28.280 --> 0:43:31.000 further you get kind of you make your own rules, 0:43:31.360 --> 0:43:32.880 you know what I'm saying, you can get to a 0:43:32.920 --> 0:43:35.080 point where, like I swear to guard, don't, I'm not. 0:43:35.120 --> 0:43:39.000 I'm not bringing this up. I watched Dave Chappelle three 0:43:39.080 --> 0:43:42.680 days in the row go on stage and say the 0:43:42.719 --> 0:43:49.440 most craziest ship about transgender, about homosexual people, about just 0:43:49.760 --> 0:43:51.879 whatever the funk he wanted to talk about. He talked 0:43:51.880 --> 0:43:53.840 about having a fight with a bitch that was a 0:43:53.880 --> 0:43:57.399 transgender and he said, no, I didn't want to stop 0:43:57.440 --> 0:44:03.040 because I was winning. What I'm saying is David's at 0:44:03.080 --> 0:44:08.080 the level where he doesn't you can't cancel him. Yeah, Yeah, 0:44:08.840 --> 0:44:11.879 I at that level life, nigger. I could ship on 0:44:11.920 --> 0:44:14.200 your on your on your on your on your car, 0:44:15.440 --> 0:44:18.120 ship him and where this was saying. I was looking 0:44:18.160 --> 0:44:20.480 like they're gonna cancel. But then I thought about it. 0:44:20.520 --> 0:44:24.600 I said, this guy got forty minutes and cancel. Like, 0:44:25.040 --> 0:44:27.120 so that's what I'm saying, Like certain people make it 0:44:27.120 --> 0:44:29.399 to a certain and he's he just one of them. 0:44:29.440 --> 0:44:31.480 Like he talked about ship like I felt like I 0:44:31.520 --> 0:44:33.480 was in the eighties joking concert you know what I mean? 0:44:33.560 --> 0:44:36.240 Remember back and didn't no one knew the proper words 0:44:36.239 --> 0:44:38.239 to say, No one knew not to say this don't 0:44:38.239 --> 0:44:40.440 say this like he was just just just going crazy. 0:44:40.480 --> 0:44:44.560 So I said to say that I'm I'm doing another shot. 0:44:44.360 --> 0:44:49.320 You got damn doing another shot. So cast Run DMC 0:44:49.520 --> 0:44:54.239 comes out I did not notice as the drug dealer 0:44:54.280 --> 0:44:59.440 attire outfit because because but then you guys, you guys 0:44:59.440 --> 0:45:08.440 got I pad first come out right friend ship, you 0:45:08.520 --> 0:45:12.279 know what I mean? So y'all looking at mother not 0:45:12.600 --> 0:45:18.760 what happened was Russell pattern Run DMC sound behind people 0:45:18.840 --> 0:45:21.560 like my group Cold Crush Brothers, d m C and 0:45:21.680 --> 0:45:23.839 Run will tell you theirself. They you know what I mean, 0:45:23.840 --> 0:45:27.120 they strive to be you know, like the Cold Crush Brothers. 0:45:27.560 --> 0:45:31.480 And but Jay was the street dude. Jay was the 0:45:31.480 --> 0:45:33.640 one who messed out, you know what I mean. He 0:45:33.719 --> 0:45:37.399 had the look of this, so so they adopted his look. 0:45:37.600 --> 0:45:39.920 If you look at them in early days, they had 0:45:40.120 --> 0:45:44.799 Sue Jackison and Mark Nexs all right, and so Jay 0:45:44.880 --> 0:45:51.319 kind of set up there. Look yeah, so Jake kind 0:45:51.320 --> 0:45:53.920 of crafted their their their look. And then from then on, 0:45:54.000 --> 0:45:55.960 you know, the didas thing. They just went through the 0:45:56.040 --> 0:45:58.680 roof with that. That must have been the first time 0:45:58.760 --> 0:46:03.239 hip hop had a right yeah. Yeah, like the course 0:46:03.320 --> 0:46:05.759 like we was we was working with their products. This 0:46:05.880 --> 0:46:08.239 is the first time. But they wasn't working with us, right, 0:46:08.280 --> 0:46:10.800 nobody was then. We wasn't getting no free sneakers nowhere. 0:46:11.200 --> 0:46:13.920 That we had to go to you man on Southern 0:46:13.960 --> 0:46:16.080 Boulevard and I'll be like, come on, man, I need 0:46:16.080 --> 0:46:18.640 those in thirteen. I need to I need to go 0:46:18.760 --> 0:46:23.200 on the back. On the back. You're taking a shot. 0:46:23.920 --> 0:46:33.320 Stottle got damn Stlettlettle. Let's start a little bit about Wallstall. 0:46:33.440 --> 0:46:37.080 How was that while style for me was like a 0:46:37.800 --> 0:46:43.960 stamp of approval that yeah, we wasn't wrong. This ship 0:46:44.160 --> 0:46:47.160 is real. It is important people, do you know want 0:46:47.160 --> 0:46:49.920 to funk with this? Um? When this guy when Charlie 0:46:49.960 --> 0:46:54.200 Ahearn came to our neighborhood and start scouting around and 0:46:54.239 --> 0:46:57.440 shipped to see what was the Bronx. This is you know, 0:46:57.480 --> 0:47:00.680 a guy from Soho you know what I mean, down 0:47:00.719 --> 0:47:03.959 in the Lower east Side, you know, artsy kind of dude. 0:47:04.000 --> 0:47:07.319 This is the business boogie down Bronx at this time. 0:47:07.440 --> 0:47:10.359 This is where every house is on fire. All those 0:47:10.400 --> 0:47:12.640 all those visuals that you see in the Bronze during 0:47:12.680 --> 0:47:15.760 that time, that's during the time that we felt mildstar 0:47:15.880 --> 0:47:20.440 early eighties. So um, but but that was kind of 0:47:20.480 --> 0:47:23.520 like a stamp, you know, for us, that a stamp 0:47:23.560 --> 0:47:26.759 of validation in a sense that the outside world thinks 0:47:26.760 --> 0:47:29.879 this ship is cool too, not just us. They want 0:47:29.880 --> 0:47:32.040 to document this ship. Somebody wants to make a movie 0:47:32.080 --> 0:47:34.920 about this ship. Oh yeah, so that was the first 0:47:34.960 --> 0:47:39.319 of right, well, yeah, there was a documentary about hip hop, 0:47:39.600 --> 0:47:43.319 but about mainly graffiti and breakdancing. That was the name 0:47:43.360 --> 0:47:46.080 of Style Wars. But this was like a movie with 0:47:46.280 --> 0:47:48.799 this was a movie. This was more of a document 0:47:48.800 --> 0:47:51.799 movie documentary. Now watching it looks it feels like a 0:47:51.800 --> 0:47:54.399 reality show documentary because it was like following you guys 0:47:54.480 --> 0:47:56.359 doing what you really do. Well, it's it's all the 0:47:56.360 --> 0:47:59.040 people that was really doing it, the actors except for 0:47:59.080 --> 0:48:01.800 the people, the non hip hop people in the movie. Everybody, 0:48:01.800 --> 0:48:05.359 every graffiti artists, every breakdance to, every DJ, every MC 0:48:05.600 --> 0:48:10.480 was actually themselves in a movie. Wow, you watched to 0:48:10.520 --> 0:48:12.160 go O Style today? You said, right, I got I 0:48:12.200 --> 0:48:15.320 got the VHS right here, I'm having vs. Let me 0:48:15.360 --> 0:48:24.160 see the goddamn vah see the motherfucking VHS. Buddy, goddamn, 0:48:24.200 --> 0:48:27.080 this is this is legendary right here. This is the 0:48:27.080 --> 0:48:33.399 original one that Wow, that's the original right there, man, Jesus, 0:48:34.400 --> 0:48:39.279 Fat five Freddie always had white girls. Every time you 0:48:39.320 --> 0:48:41.759 bring up fat five Freddie, it's a white girl around here. 0:48:41.840 --> 0:48:50.320 Freddie part of that artsy community. Yeah, Freddy facts I wrote. 0:48:50.360 --> 0:48:55.520 I wrote one of his first rhymes, get out of here, man, Jesus, 0:48:55.760 --> 0:49:02.319 I'm taking this ship out of here. I'm shop here. Yeah. 0:49:02.560 --> 0:49:05.640 So yeah, wild Style really really kind of validated the 0:49:05.640 --> 0:49:09.319 whole movement. And the first time we went on tour, 0:49:10.440 --> 0:49:12.480 first time we all got on a plane together and 0:49:12.480 --> 0:49:15.160 it was like twenty five of us went to Japan. 0:49:18.440 --> 0:49:24.000 Oh yeah, yeah, a lot of motherfucking episodes, a lot 0:49:24.040 --> 0:49:26.279 of you know, a lot of fun. I mean the 0:49:26.360 --> 0:49:28.240 first time we was in front of that kind of press, 0:49:28.600 --> 0:49:31.400 it was like everywhere we went, it was a cameras 0:49:31.400 --> 0:49:34.520 following us, you know what I mean. I'm doing for 0:49:34.600 --> 0:49:38.000 like overseas love us more, much more, much more. I 0:49:38.040 --> 0:49:42.040 think it's because they got a greater appreciation our art 0:49:42.080 --> 0:49:44.840 form because they're not connected to it, you know what 0:49:44.880 --> 0:49:47.120 I mean. It doesn't come from them, and they're like 0:49:47.160 --> 0:49:49.879 outsiders looking in. So when they when we come there, 0:49:49.960 --> 0:49:54.359 it's like, ah, those are the people in history. I'll 0:49:54.360 --> 0:49:59.279 give you a perfect example when we went to Japan Okinawa. 0:50:00.040 --> 0:50:04.160 You know, we went to Tokyo and UH department store 0:50:04.239 --> 0:50:09.680 called that sponsive tour, So we went to UH. We 0:50:09.680 --> 0:50:12.480 were just hitting different places. We were doing outdoor venues. 0:50:12.520 --> 0:50:15.480 They would build like a stage in like an hour 0:50:15.680 --> 0:50:17.920 and it's like a big stage of sound system and 0:50:17.960 --> 0:50:20.400 we would go on and break dance and wrap and 0:50:20.520 --> 0:50:24.000 DJ and then they take the whole ship down before 0:50:24.040 --> 0:50:26.520 we left, like the whole ship being gone. That's how 0:50:26.560 --> 0:50:33.200 efficient they were back back then. And we would when 0:50:33.239 --> 0:50:35.239 they showed the movie in the theater, we would come 0:50:35.239 --> 0:50:37.600 out on the on the stage out of the movie 0:50:37.600 --> 0:50:42.120 and the whole yeah, the whole the whole movie. Theater 0:50:42.200 --> 0:50:45.440 just went bananas. So we was like the Talk of 0:50:45.560 --> 0:50:50.600 Tokyo and we introduced hip hop to Japan personally, just 0:50:50.680 --> 0:50:53.600 from that movie and that tour. We went to clubs. 0:50:54.239 --> 0:50:56.880 DJ still had the big thick rubber matt on the 0:50:56.920 --> 0:50:59.840 motherfucker turntable and we would get on church and be like, 0:51:00.520 --> 0:51:05.880 could we you know, because you can't cut that. You 0:51:05.920 --> 0:51:14.239 gotta h these niggs looking in amazement like what the 0:51:14.280 --> 0:51:17.200 fund is y'all doing. But by the time we left Japan, 0:51:17.840 --> 0:51:21.960 but we revisited those clubs. They was doing that too. 0:51:22.280 --> 0:51:25.319 Little kids was breakdancing in the street because they saw 0:51:25.440 --> 0:51:28.520 crazy legs and them do exhibition in the streets. So 0:51:28.600 --> 0:51:33.359 we actually were the first impression on Tokyo for hip hop. 0:51:33.640 --> 0:51:36.000 That movie While Style and that tour that took us 0:51:36.000 --> 0:51:43.000 out there. Wow, that's amazing. You think While Style, like 0:51:43.080 --> 0:51:46.320 before While Style, how much do you think the culture 0:51:46.360 --> 0:51:49.080 really felt that it was all these elements were the culture. 0:51:49.480 --> 0:51:52.040 Because there's people who argue like these elements were put 0:51:52.080 --> 0:51:54.719 together to be hip hop. I think I think they were. 0:51:54.880 --> 0:51:59.719 They were gathered together because of their their um, their continuity. 0:51:59.800 --> 0:52:03.360 But between each other, a lot of DJs and graffiti 0:52:03.400 --> 0:52:06.760 writers or b boys or m c s or such 0:52:06.760 --> 0:52:10.080 and such and so into you know, those those elements 0:52:10.120 --> 0:52:13.680 are interwoven within the hip hop. And they say that 0:52:14.040 --> 0:52:16.880 graffiti is not an element of hip hop because graffiti 0:52:16.920 --> 0:52:19.920 has been going on since the beginning of time. Okay, yes, 0:52:20.000 --> 0:52:22.520 we do understand that. But like I said over and 0:52:22.560 --> 0:52:26.640 over again my quote, hip hop didn't invent anything. Hip 0:52:26.640 --> 0:52:31.879 hop reinvented everything. Okay, there's nothing new under the sun. 0:52:31.960 --> 0:52:35.080 We didn't do nothing new. People people play music before us. 0:52:35.120 --> 0:52:38.680 People dance before us, people talk and rap before us 0:52:39.040 --> 0:52:42.480 just like we do. Did it way before we did. Okay, 0:52:42.520 --> 0:52:46.920 but this is our generations reinvention of those elements, and 0:52:47.000 --> 0:52:55.799 that is what hip hop is. I gotta ask, how 0:52:55.920 --> 0:52:59.920 did you come up with the name grand mastercast because 0:53:00.080 --> 0:53:02.680 like you can, everybody can't call youself a Grandmaster. No, 0:53:03.200 --> 0:53:07.560 I mean you can, you can try, you know, But 0:53:08.280 --> 0:53:11.520 the origin of Grandmaster, as far as hip hop is concerned, 0:53:11.760 --> 0:53:15.799 the first hip hop the first DJ named Grandmaster was 0:53:15.840 --> 0:53:24.360 Grandmaster Flowers and Grandmaster Flowers inspired Grandmaster Flash. Um Flash 0:53:24.440 --> 0:53:27.200 was taught by Pete d J Jones, who was also 0:53:27.280 --> 0:53:33.480 a legendary DJ and hip hop Flowers. Um Flash adopted 0:53:33.520 --> 0:53:39.840 Flowers Uh Monica, Grandmaster Flash. How I became Grandmaster? My 0:53:39.880 --> 0:53:44.440 original name in hip hop was casting over dj m 0:53:44.480 --> 0:53:47.680 C casting over Fly. Now one night I'm playing in 0:53:47.719 --> 0:53:50.480 my spot the Blue Lagoon and the Bronx website Avenue 0:53:50.520 --> 0:53:54.440 Honey for me and my man just go with and 0:53:54.480 --> 0:53:57.000 I got some um. By the way, everyone had the 0:53:57.040 --> 0:54:01.319 dopest names back in the day. This is sm SR 0:54:02.920 --> 0:54:09.400 Brand Wizard. Everybody they now baby, big Baby, regular Baby. 0:54:09.800 --> 0:54:14.040 So so I'm cutting up a record now back then 0:54:14.480 --> 0:54:20.160 Flash was the fastest DJ you know, known throughout hip. 0:54:20.400 --> 0:54:23.600 That's when everybody and their grandmother was in the DJ. Alright, 0:54:24.000 --> 0:54:28.839 hippopemunity is small, grand Master Flash, fastest man on two turntables. Right. 0:54:29.320 --> 0:54:31.480 So one night I'm cutting up a record I think 0:54:31.480 --> 0:54:34.680 it was I can't stop and I'm cutting it back 0:54:34.719 --> 0:54:40.000 and forth because that do could do that Dom Cay 0:54:40.680 --> 0:54:50.799 that food, that man, that man, man, man man. I 0:54:50.880 --> 0:54:56.000 just kept catching it. My man was like, Yo, faster, faster, faster, faster. 0:54:56.239 --> 0:55:00.520 The crowd was going faster, faster, faster than started going 0:55:00.560 --> 0:55:04.960 grand master, grand Master. The crowd start going grand master, 0:55:05.320 --> 0:55:14.160 grand master. That's when I became grand master. Oh my god, 0:55:14.239 --> 0:55:27.759 that was mad. I'm saying, go on, I'm gonna tell 0:55:27.760 --> 0:55:31.000 you something. Then moved us out to you. You must 0:55:31.000 --> 0:55:34.440 have made the easiest Netflix money ever. What do you 0:55:34.480 --> 0:55:37.200 mean I watched listen. I don't know if you ever 0:55:37.239 --> 0:55:39.839 saw a State Property too. Anybody who knows me, when 0:55:39.840 --> 0:55:43.400 they watched State Property Too, they say, Nori, you cheated. 0:55:44.320 --> 0:55:46.320 And then I'll say, why did I cheat? Because I 0:55:46.360 --> 0:55:49.239 didn't act at all. I was just I was just 0:55:50.440 --> 0:55:54.200 When I watched the Indian Detective, I said this this guy. 0:55:54.320 --> 0:55:56.200 I know it's true. It's got a real chuckle and 0:55:56.320 --> 0:55:58.440 its fucking phenomenal. I just told it. I watched the 0:55:58.440 --> 0:56:02.239 whole season. I said, this guy's just being him. You 0:56:02.360 --> 0:56:07.239 just check out here. You gotta do it. You gotta 0:56:07.239 --> 0:56:09.360 see your Indian fall. That's very cliche. He goes to 0:56:09.440 --> 0:56:12.080 your Indian ball and he's sick. They don't want to 0:56:12.080 --> 0:56:15.080 tell you he's sick. He was, he was fai. It 0:56:15.200 --> 0:56:17.239 was crazy. I loved it. Come on to make so 0:56:17.320 --> 0:56:23.719 much in the Detective, it's it sounds very racial, but 0:56:23.760 --> 0:56:28.040 it's not ironically because he's actually an Indian detective. Well 0:56:28.080 --> 0:56:31.760 I'm it's calling a detective because I I'm an actual 0:56:31.800 --> 0:56:34.239 detective in Toronto and then I end up becoming a 0:56:34.280 --> 0:56:36.920 detective in India and India. That's why it's not like 0:56:36.920 --> 0:56:40.640 I'm walking to go I am. It's not that at 0:56:40.640 --> 0:56:52.480 all too. That's the holy how do you how do 0:56:52.520 --> 0:56:55.920 you know? How do you know? Cast? Cast? Some cast 0:56:56.000 --> 0:56:59.000 I met from Mel Meli. Mel and I have been 0:56:59.040 --> 0:57:03.080 friends for about six seventeen years. Then then he brought cast. 0:57:03.120 --> 0:57:05.320 He goes, hey man and he was like, yo, Russ, 0:57:06.280 --> 0:57:09.399 I'm gonna bring up we're gonna go out and yeah, 0:57:10.080 --> 0:57:12.760 bring casts with me. I like, fuck, yeah, you crazy? 0:57:12.800 --> 0:57:16.920 How yeah? I just made him say it's for no reason. 0:57:18.000 --> 0:57:26.800 How's your throat? Fel my prison dog? So you met him, 0:57:27.240 --> 0:57:28.760 met him through mal and then we you know, we 0:57:28.880 --> 0:57:30.960 had dinner. We all had a great time. And then 0:57:31.440 --> 0:57:36.240 it just it stayed from there, goddamnit. And now you 0:57:36.280 --> 0:57:39.440 know Cas, Cas and I have very close and you know, 0:57:39.480 --> 0:57:41.440 I know, I said, know his whole family, but he 0:57:41.560 --> 0:57:43.400 got too many kids to know the whole family. But 0:57:43.840 --> 0:57:46.640 he's working on it, working well. It's not like he 0:57:46.640 --> 0:57:48.320 got some kids in Japan. You don't know. He might 0:57:48.480 --> 0:57:52.920 he might have somebody. You see a space and he 0:57:53.000 --> 0:57:55.120 described Japan. I said you have to look at look, 0:57:55.240 --> 0:58:04.160 he said, snake on the I gotta relax, Russell. Would 0:58:04.160 --> 0:58:08.400 you like we gotta get talking about some Yeah, talk 0:58:08.400 --> 0:58:10.920 about you as we talk about Japan. That's a great transition. 0:58:11.120 --> 0:58:13.480 Has some Japanese motherfucker. It's like the shot form. We 0:58:13.520 --> 0:58:15.440 wanted to drinks that I would like to start with 0:58:15.520 --> 0:58:18.600 a beverage. Okay, I don't know what that means. With 0:58:19.440 --> 0:58:21.919 a rock or two. This man the cup? Please yeah, 0:58:21.920 --> 0:58:26.160 thank you, so please. Congratulations smoke chance. Please smoke it up. 0:58:26.800 --> 0:58:29.320 That's you, guys. Smoke it up. Smoke up, smoke it up. 0:58:29.360 --> 0:58:32.160 God damn you know what I'm saying, Grandmaster cast Yeah, 0:58:32.200 --> 0:58:36.760 I need about forty of these. Yeah, we got you. Man, 0:58:36.760 --> 0:58:39.840 throw a couple of rocks. Ice. And yet I don't 0:58:39.840 --> 0:58:43.440 give a ship. I don't. I don't like to touch 0:58:43.440 --> 0:58:49.760 another man. I appreciate you for you a goddamnit. Yes, 0:58:49.800 --> 0:58:52.360 please don't read this for you. I know you would appreciate. Yes, 0:58:52.360 --> 0:58:55.840 I don't appreciate. This is my thumb for me. Queen's 0:58:55.880 --> 0:58:58.280 only only. I'm not matching everything. I'm put it on. 0:58:58.360 --> 0:59:03.240 Wait now, so on right now. During during the plandemic, 0:59:03.600 --> 0:59:07.160 I got very I got very creative, and I started 0:59:07.200 --> 0:59:11.120 coming up with different things that you know, I'm sorry 0:59:11.240 --> 0:59:15.040 that goes with the thing, you know what I mean, 0:59:15.040 --> 0:59:17.600 you know, I get down. But one of the things 0:59:17.600 --> 0:59:20.000 with the clothing, you know company, and I started making 0:59:20.040 --> 0:59:22.400 up T shirt designs and stuff like that that was 0:59:22.480 --> 0:59:27.240 relevant to our era that people don't really do. And uh, 0:59:27.400 --> 0:59:30.000 I partnered with this guy and he started, you know, 0:59:30.400 --> 0:59:33.600 we started collaborating. So those are just part of the 0:59:33.680 --> 0:59:37.000 hat collection and we made that especially for you because 0:59:37.080 --> 0:59:39.720 we gotta we gotta join that. That says Bronx keeps 0:59:39.760 --> 0:59:42.240 creating it and you know how to ship nor me. 0:59:43.920 --> 0:59:52.960 Let's let's let's talk about that because when I when 0:59:52.960 --> 0:59:58.400 I'm doing my research, it almost seemed like, I don't 0:59:58.400 --> 1:00:02.320 want to say cool Hurt create hip hop. It seems 1:00:02.400 --> 1:00:07.480 like Cool Herd had these parties that was famous that 1:00:07.520 --> 1:00:10.360 people started to go to where he was playing these music. 1:00:11.000 --> 1:00:13.800 But then there was you guys who came after that, 1:00:13.840 --> 1:00:17.000 and you guys had your own parties. Is that somewhat accurate? 1:00:17.080 --> 1:00:19.520 Let get the later ahead. When Cool Hirk was DJ 1:00:19.680 --> 1:00:21.840 and he was kind of the big guy, was it? 1:00:21.880 --> 1:00:26.040 Was it like August nineteen, which is the anniversary of 1:00:26.120 --> 1:00:27.920 hip hop is coming up in a few days. Okay, 1:00:27.920 --> 1:00:32.640 so he was doing the brand you hit the anniversary 1:00:32.640 --> 1:00:36.560 of hip hop and hip hop months now supposedly in 1:00:36.560 --> 1:00:46.400 the government. August month supposed to be the first hip 1:00:46.440 --> 1:00:50.160 hop party ever, right, the first documented hip hop hip Now, 1:00:50.240 --> 1:00:52.520 let me ask you where you did? I was, Okay, 1:00:52.840 --> 1:00:56.080 I will never claim to be a lot of people 1:00:56.560 --> 1:01:01.880 doing that. Yeah, didn't like the fucking room was wasn't 1:01:01.920 --> 1:01:06.120 as big as space. Okay, it ain't it's not as big. 1:01:06.200 --> 1:01:10.800 It fit about sixties seventy people if they if they 1:01:10.960 --> 1:01:13.640 danced real close together, you know what I mean. And 1:01:14.680 --> 1:01:17.160 it was more of a family thing, like everybody knew 1:01:17.400 --> 1:01:20.320 everybody that was there. Twenty five cents for girls, fifty 1:01:20.360 --> 1:01:23.480 cents for guys to get in, all right. This is 1:01:23.480 --> 1:01:30.400 back when the exactly pillows. But the thing is not 1:01:30.560 --> 1:01:35.040 that Her convented hip hop, her conspired hip hop for 1:01:35.280 --> 1:01:39.720 the people that eventually became the hip hop like Hercan 1:01:39.720 --> 1:01:45.680 inspired me, hercuspired flash, Hercus fired belly, mel Pam Potta, 1:01:46.080 --> 1:01:47.600 you know what I mean. Every you know what I mean. 1:01:47.640 --> 1:01:50.960 There was only one rival like DJ to hurt back then. 1:01:51.080 --> 1:01:54.800 His name was Smokey, and people don't talk about Smokey 1:01:54.840 --> 1:01:57.200 a lot smoking of her and the smoke of trons, 1:01:57.800 --> 1:02:00.840 all right, and they used to battle her in the po. 1:02:00.960 --> 1:02:03.000 Smokey could funk with him because he had the records 1:02:03.120 --> 1:02:06.600 and he had the sound system of trying to tell 1:02:06.600 --> 1:02:11.000 you it was another DJ Ja Mario, Okay, from from 1:02:11.400 --> 1:02:14.880 Brons there. Disco King Mario was a force over there, 1:02:15.640 --> 1:02:17.480 you know what I mean. So these guys in their 1:02:17.560 --> 1:02:21.240 prospective areas held it down. But if you had to 1:02:21.280 --> 1:02:25.600 put them all together. They couldn't sunk with Hurt Sound System, right, right, 1:02:26.200 --> 1:02:28.280 So let me let me ask you, right, because me 1:02:28.400 --> 1:02:32.120 being from Queens, is this only happening in the Bronx 1:02:32.200 --> 1:02:35.360 at this time? Well, here's the thing went downtown at 1:02:35.400 --> 1:02:37.920 some point, Yeah, at some point. But but I want 1:02:37.960 --> 1:02:40.720 to be the first to say that I am the 1:02:40.880 --> 1:02:43.920 last motherfucker to try to say that hip hop was 1:02:44.040 --> 1:02:48.280 only going on in the Bronx. Okay, but if this 1:02:48.440 --> 1:02:54.200 kind of energy exists within us as a people and 1:02:54.280 --> 1:02:56.960 there's nothing that we're doing that somebody ain't over there 1:02:57.080 --> 1:03:00.240 doing at the same motherfucking time. Okay. So you I 1:03:00.360 --> 1:03:03.120 know that there was DJ's in Brooklyn, Okay, I know 1:03:03.280 --> 1:03:06.680 that there was djson Queens. I know there was DJs 1:03:06.720 --> 1:03:09.920 in Manhattan. So she wasn't wrong when he thought that 1:03:10.080 --> 1:03:12.960 hip hop. No, Shan didn't start him to say hip 1:03:13.000 --> 1:03:17.919 hop started for Shad. Hip hop started out in the park, 1:03:18.360 --> 1:03:21.560 and you can't dispute that for nobody. You know, for Russell, 1:03:21.760 --> 1:03:24.520 hip hop started somewhere you know different. He's done his 1:03:24.680 --> 1:03:27.640 research to know beyond that, but he can only tune 1:03:27.680 --> 1:03:30.680 in from a certain perspective, especially back then, whether you 1:03:30.760 --> 1:03:33.480 can't really communicate the way we can use from Canada 1:03:33.520 --> 1:03:45.440 to golds. He'sive, but so okay um now, but I 1:03:45.680 --> 1:03:47.560 want to go back to the question. Who was the 1:03:47.600 --> 1:03:51.800 first one that was cutting the brakes, bringing the brakes 1:03:51.840 --> 1:03:55.000 back to create that that breakbeat, that long breakbeat for 1:03:55.000 --> 1:03:58.160 the B Boys and be Girls Dance too. Hurt played 1:03:58.200 --> 1:04:02.040 him first, Yeah, and then the other DJs like Flash 1:04:02.600 --> 1:04:07.840 and Theodore and break Out perfected how to play them 1:04:08.040 --> 1:04:10.640 because her could player record and then when the break 1:04:10.720 --> 1:04:13.800 of off, lifting needle up and put it back to 1:04:13.880 --> 1:04:17.760 where it started, or just mixing a whole another record 1:04:17.880 --> 1:04:20.880 that sounds totally different. Hert wasn't cool, didn't have those 1:04:20.920 --> 1:04:25.040 smooth blends. He didn't have the you know, turntable um 1:04:25.640 --> 1:04:30.200 mechanics that DJs that followed him did. So now, uh, 1:04:30.520 --> 1:04:33.600 Grandmaster Flash looks at the playlist that HERK is playing 1:04:33.640 --> 1:04:35.640 and saying, Okay, I'm gonna get all those records, but 1:04:35.680 --> 1:04:37.880 I'm gonna play him and do it and do this 1:04:38.040 --> 1:04:41.280 to him, you know, I mean, Graham was the Theatore says, oh, ship, Flash, 1:04:41.320 --> 1:04:44.600 you're gonna leave your equipment in my brother house. Unguarded. 1:04:47.120 --> 1:04:51.600 He gets up on the turn table and advanced scratching. Okay, 1:04:52.160 --> 1:04:55.960 so everybody kind of added to this thing that eventually 1:04:56.120 --> 1:05:01.840 became the culture itself. But our uh, the person we 1:05:02.000 --> 1:05:05.640 looked looked up to was cool, hurt and even later 1:05:05.800 --> 1:05:09.000 on he could be an asshole, okay, but he is 1:05:09.080 --> 1:05:12.200 the father of hip hop as far as everybody that 1:05:12.320 --> 1:05:15.880 you respect in hip hop is concerned. Okay, So you 1:05:15.960 --> 1:05:19.560 can create another narrative and you can take us somewhere else, 1:05:20.040 --> 1:05:22.560 because like I said, nothing, nothing happens in no place 1:05:23.000 --> 1:05:26.480 want you know, by itself. But when they started to 1:05:26.680 --> 1:05:30.280 document hip hop, why did they come to the Bronx 1:05:32.200 --> 1:05:34.640 when they started to want to want to know about 1:05:34.720 --> 1:05:36.560 this and start to If you look at the history, 1:05:36.600 --> 1:05:39.200 it is always Why does it always lead back to us? 1:05:40.840 --> 1:05:43.160 Let's let's leave me to my next question. Right, there's 1:05:43.160 --> 1:05:45.720 a couple of books that said that actually started in 1:05:45.760 --> 1:05:48.600 the Harbor. Is there any true to that? I think 1:05:48.680 --> 1:05:51.920 it's simultaneously. There was a movement going on in Harlem 1:05:51.960 --> 1:05:58.200 as well, but Hallam was influenced by Hollywood. Hall DJ 1:05:58.360 --> 1:06:03.040 har Harder. I don't want to go man, my honey, 1:06:03.120 --> 1:06:10.040 bun hear me something of that young lays He's always 1:06:10.080 --> 1:06:17.960 want to um. But but but the personality of the 1:06:18.080 --> 1:06:22.240 Bronx is, you know, we come from burnt down buildings 1:06:22.280 --> 1:06:26.000 and you know, and ship like that. And Harlem's mentality 1:06:26.320 --> 1:06:29.120 is hustle, you know, the drug dealers, the you know, 1:06:29.240 --> 1:06:31.840 the hustle lifestyle to get money, you know, I mean, 1:06:31.960 --> 1:06:35.760 the cars and all that. So Harlom's attitude to the 1:06:35.840 --> 1:06:40.400 Bronx is like the niggas broke up there. And I 1:06:40.560 --> 1:06:43.840 heard Hollywood say that himself. You know, ship niggas in 1:06:43.880 --> 1:06:46.880 the Bronx was broke because it wasn't doing you know 1:06:46.920 --> 1:06:49.680 what I mean, because we we we had a different mentality. 1:06:49.760 --> 1:06:52.720 We were we was the creative mentality, you know what 1:06:52.800 --> 1:06:55.360 I mean, and the hustle mentality was the dope dealers 1:06:55.400 --> 1:06:57.920 and the drug dealers. So we created hip hop so 1:06:58.040 --> 1:07:00.400 we didn't have to be drug dealers and donte dealers. 1:07:00.680 --> 1:07:03.200 So now all the drug dealers are dope dealers. Is 1:07:03.280 --> 1:07:08.960 it hip hop? Yeah? I mean, but yeah, originally hip 1:07:09.000 --> 1:07:10.880 hop was made out of those people that you know, 1:07:10.960 --> 1:07:12.160 we didn't want to we don't want to do that. 1:07:12.240 --> 1:07:14.360 We're gonna do this. And when everybody was saying you 1:07:14.480 --> 1:07:16.680 sunk that ship, sunk that ship, we was a fun y'all, 1:07:16.680 --> 1:07:27.440 we're gonna do it anyway. Let me ask you, in 1:07:27.520 --> 1:07:30.120 these neighborhoods and these parties it was coming out, was 1:07:30.200 --> 1:07:33.120 it only locals or what's their people? What? What's that? 1:07:33.200 --> 1:07:35.120 Because we're not looked at a couple of the BEFORETI 1:07:35.240 --> 1:07:37.320 I'm looking at They're saying these early hip hop parties 1:07:37.320 --> 1:07:40.480 and I'm seeing white people. There is these white people 1:07:40.520 --> 1:07:43.440 that lived in the hood. I don't know how early Okay, 1:07:45.120 --> 1:07:49.400 most early early blacks and Porto Rico that's it. I mean, 1:07:50.000 --> 1:07:55.919 makings Caribbeans whatever alternatives and you know, maybe a couple 1:07:55.960 --> 1:08:04.000 of tallis slam but yeah, but yeah, but basically, you know, 1:08:04.160 --> 1:08:06.880 that's what it was. And but it wasn't until like 1:08:08.200 --> 1:08:10.440 not to say it became cool, but when it started 1:08:10.480 --> 1:08:14.680 reaching out past our neighborhoods, you know, white people started 1:08:14.720 --> 1:08:17.400 getting involved as well. There's a couple of white, early 1:08:17.479 --> 1:08:19.880 white dudes in hip hop shot the d j R 1:08:19.960 --> 1:08:22.360 rap or you know what I mean, So that the 1:08:22.760 --> 1:08:26.719 influence is just great. So um. And then also I'm 1:08:26.760 --> 1:08:30.160 watching uh evolution of hip hop and I think it's 1:08:30.200 --> 1:08:33.240 Grandmaster Flash who says, you know what, he's gonna start 1:08:33.400 --> 1:08:37.120 taking it downtown. Was that considered whack for y'all to 1:08:37.160 --> 1:08:39.479 go downtown or was that like, you know what, we're 1:08:39.520 --> 1:08:45.599 gonna gonna gonna follow the bag basically bambada. And when 1:08:45.640 --> 1:08:47.680 we say in downtown, we're not saying hallo, no, no, 1:08:47.760 --> 1:08:52.920 we're talking about downtown, Downtown, the Rocky and and those 1:08:53.000 --> 1:08:55.760 punk rock clubs. The Rocky was Downtown, the rock syn 1:08:55.840 --> 1:09:05.760 was on Hunter eighteen eight, and the punk rock clings 1:09:06.080 --> 1:09:12.040 to that first first started entertaining hip hop as a culture. 1:09:12.400 --> 1:09:15.000 First the dances really opened them up, and then the 1:09:15.120 --> 1:09:18.479 dancing need DJ so the scratching of the DJs. See 1:09:18.520 --> 1:09:21.400 that the punk rock era and the hip hop era 1:09:22.200 --> 1:09:25.439 started rising up at the same time, and both and 1:09:25.560 --> 1:09:29.200 both of them, both of them was the rebellion counterculture 1:09:29.720 --> 1:09:32.880 right to the music that preceded it. So prior to 1:09:33.040 --> 1:09:36.080 hip hop, it was disco. So you know, hip hop 1:09:36.240 --> 1:09:38.960 is like disco, we're gonna do this. Punk rock is 1:09:39.000 --> 1:09:41.800 like funk rock, We're gonna do this. So those same 1:09:41.960 --> 1:09:44.880 energies was was kind of coming together at the same time. 1:09:45.120 --> 1:09:47.040 So that's what opened up the door for hip hop 1:09:47.120 --> 1:09:50.080 to come down into those clubs, into those early punk 1:09:50.200 --> 1:09:54.640 rock clubs and then promoters uh grasp on on to 1:09:54.800 --> 1:09:58.600 the B Boys. The B Boys were captured everybody's imagination 1:09:58.880 --> 1:10:02.200 as far as drawing them in to hip hop music 1:10:02.280 --> 1:10:05.600 to dance. Then the DJs became a main stake, you 1:10:05.640 --> 1:10:08.320 know what I mean. So the rap element was really 1:10:08.400 --> 1:10:11.519 the last element to really chick in as far as 1:10:11.640 --> 1:10:14.080 people really digging his whole ship as a as a 1:10:14.160 --> 1:10:17.600 whole and downtown, the B Boys led the way. So 1:10:17.720 --> 1:10:20.040 what do you think about when, Okay, all this music 1:10:20.200 --> 1:10:22.240 is going now, is this group called the Beastie Boys 1:10:23.000 --> 1:10:26.040 who are deliberately saying they're not from the hood. That's 1:10:26.080 --> 1:10:31.160 the result of what he's talking about. Yeah, pretty much. 1:10:31.720 --> 1:10:35.960 Pretty the beast he started as a punk band. Yeah 1:10:36.000 --> 1:10:39.519 they are. That's where they come from. And and and 1:10:39.760 --> 1:10:42.240 I'm gonna be honest, I mean to be honest, please 1:10:42.360 --> 1:10:45.800 Earlier we all, I mean, from the time these the 1:10:45.920 --> 1:10:50.000 next generation came out, we understood that our our error 1:10:50.120 --> 1:10:55.200 was over. And the more people came out, the worst. 1:10:55.560 --> 1:10:58.760 You know, it's got I'm not the worst, but the 1:10:58.920 --> 1:11:02.639 father away it got from from what we were from 1:11:02.720 --> 1:11:06.800 the source exactly. So the Beastie Boys, for me and 1:11:06.920 --> 1:11:09.479 for some of us, was kind of the defining moment 1:11:09.640 --> 1:11:12.760 like okay, this ship is gone. It's gone. And so 1:11:12.880 --> 1:11:14.880 at first you like, all right, that's cool. Or he 1:11:15.000 --> 1:11:18.519 was like many wilding, there was like college dorm wrap, 1:11:18.800 --> 1:11:22.439 I mean, but who became like okay, you could do anything. 1:11:22.600 --> 1:11:25.799 There's no there's no norm, there's no you know, we weren't. 1:11:25.920 --> 1:11:30.080 We weren't Kumbaya on this ship. Man. Everybody look at 1:11:30.160 --> 1:11:32.760 you know him hub like, oh those guys were and 1:11:32.920 --> 1:11:36.479 the ship was cut thoat man, everybody, for everybody, anybody, 1:11:36.560 --> 1:11:39.519 for thisself. If I'm done with Russ and y'all, y'all 1:11:39.520 --> 1:11:41.560 done with each other, we don't funk with y'all. We 1:11:41.680 --> 1:11:44.120 funk with each other. You might funk with him, but 1:11:44.400 --> 1:11:46.960 we don't funk with you, you know what I mean 1:11:47.080 --> 1:11:50.040 as a whole. And and that's that's how it was, 1:11:50.600 --> 1:11:54.000 you know. And it wasn't until later on. You know, 1:11:54.800 --> 1:12:00.240 now we're all in the same boat. Motherfucker. We Oh 1:12:00.520 --> 1:12:06.800 school girl, ain't you ain't on tour nig right here? 1:12:10.840 --> 1:12:14.640 So could we kind of bonded, you know, you know 1:12:14.720 --> 1:12:17.400 this ship we had in common that our ship then 1:12:17.520 --> 1:12:21.720 fucking sale. So anybody who kind of reached beyond that, 1:12:22.000 --> 1:12:25.320 that that next era. Uh let's like Grand Master Flash 1:12:25.520 --> 1:12:28.679 and the Furious Five for example. Um kind of went 1:12:28.800 --> 1:12:31.760 beyond that first school of hip hop and into the next. 1:12:31.880 --> 1:12:34.680 You know that because because they had commercial success as 1:12:34.760 --> 1:12:40.479 far as records and you know what I mean, but 1:12:41.880 --> 1:12:44.200 they did I mean the next crew. Like I said, 1:12:44.240 --> 1:12:46.439 when the Best Buds came in, it was like a 1:12:46.600 --> 1:12:49.519 more of a signal like this is getting further away 1:12:49.640 --> 1:12:52.599 from us, you know what I mean, because when when 1:12:52.800 --> 1:12:55.040 we don't have no control, one DMC has success, but 1:12:55.360 --> 1:12:58.080 you still identify with one DMC. This was how they 1:12:58.720 --> 1:13:00.920 dressed before you got to the club. BC Boys was 1:13:01.040 --> 1:13:04.559 something that was was different. Well, I think BC Boys 1:13:04.680 --> 1:13:08.240 was a novelty, you know, like to offset in the 1:13:08.320 --> 1:13:12.320 run DMC. Anytime there's a black group that has success 1:13:12.800 --> 1:13:17.240 in business, they created a white counterpart group to rival 1:13:17.320 --> 1:13:20.719 as success or to surpass it, and which the BC 1:13:20.840 --> 1:13:25.000 Boys did surpass the success commercial success a run DMC. 1:13:25.640 --> 1:13:28.200 But if you own both entities, then it's a no 1:13:28.400 --> 1:13:32.120 lose situation for you. Well, running was technically on depth 1:13:32.200 --> 1:13:35.839 jam no no, no, no, I know that it's all Russian, 1:13:35.960 --> 1:13:39.120 you know what I mean? You know? So, uh so 1:13:39.320 --> 1:13:41.000 for us, it was like you know, there it is. 1:13:41.120 --> 1:13:44.120 And then as as everybody started coming in, it was 1:13:44.160 --> 1:13:46.920 like a fucking parade, you know what I mean, And 1:13:47.040 --> 1:13:49.720 the LLL came and then oh it's a rap now, 1:13:51.880 --> 1:13:55.680 it's a rap now. But it started, I mean, for me, 1:13:55.840 --> 1:13:57.840 at some point it started getting cool. It was like, 1:13:57.960 --> 1:14:01.439 you know what, this is the next eggers, man, these 1:14:01.479 --> 1:14:04.040 are the niggas. And I would see things in me 1:14:04.400 --> 1:14:07.880 and I know you might not know, but you got 1:14:08.000 --> 1:14:09.960 that ship from me. I can see me and you 1:14:10.720 --> 1:14:13.160 you know. And that's what kept me attached to this ship. 1:14:14.360 --> 1:14:18.800 Everybody that come out, it's part of me, right, no 1:14:18.920 --> 1:14:26.880 it or not. Everybody traced back to me. Talk that 1:14:27.000 --> 1:14:33.000 to him. Another shot for that. So and then we're 1:14:33.040 --> 1:14:34.600 gonna do something called quick time, my slim. But I 1:14:34.680 --> 1:14:37.519 want to ask you a quick because as I did 1:14:37.560 --> 1:14:40.960 the research, like I said, it boiled down to more 1:14:41.960 --> 1:14:44.960 of not really cool her on records, but cool her 1:14:45.160 --> 1:14:48.080 on parties, like throwing these jams that people were coming to. 1:14:48.479 --> 1:14:50.680 Then I started to realize that it was like you 1:14:51.360 --> 1:14:56.360 African Bambada Grandmaster Flash, but this is these parties. These 1:14:56.400 --> 1:15:01.840 tapes were circulating of these you guys actually party. Is 1:15:01.880 --> 1:15:06.439 that accurate? For what I'm saying, like, there was one 1:15:06.720 --> 1:15:10.560 mix tape that started circling around, uh in the I 1:15:10.640 --> 1:15:13.519 think in the early eighties of the late seventies. That's 1:15:13.560 --> 1:15:15.880 the one that everybody credits has for. That's like, that's 1:15:15.920 --> 1:15:18.559 when if you hear DMC do an interview. He always 1:15:18.600 --> 1:15:20.760 been like, yeah, that's every single time. I was like, 1:15:20.840 --> 1:15:28.880 I had that tape and it changed money. I didn't 1:15:29.120 --> 1:15:34.439 I didn't get what you were doing. Its changed on 1:15:34.520 --> 1:15:43.960 my mind. Salute to DMC. Then he just sent me 1:15:44.120 --> 1:15:47.800 d So. So what I'm saying is, um, it was 1:15:48.439 --> 1:15:51.479 these tapes to tape that circle circling around. Was it 1:15:51.560 --> 1:15:54.280 battle tapes or was it party tapes? It was party 1:15:54.320 --> 1:15:57.960 tapes and battle tapes. Yeah, you know at first, Um, 1:15:59.120 --> 1:16:03.559 I mean, I'll go back to when if you live 1:16:03.640 --> 1:16:05.960 in my hood and you wanted a B boy tape 1:16:06.040 --> 1:16:07.960 like the jams that you're here at the parties, but 1:16:08.080 --> 1:16:13.000 you ain't got kind of my house, Sit on, sit 1:16:13.080 --> 1:16:17.360 on the couch, what's your name? What's your girl name? 1:16:18.000 --> 1:16:21.519 Where you live at school? You go to who's your 1:16:21.600 --> 1:16:25.280 man's in them? All right? Boom, all right, turn around, 1:16:25.360 --> 1:16:28.080 get on the mic, turn my ship on and then 1:16:28.160 --> 1:16:31.120 played great beasts and just talk about the nigger dropped 1:16:31.120 --> 1:16:37.439 the tape. All that. Now, I wasn't until we started 1:16:37.479 --> 1:16:41.040 doing parties and and and recording the entire party. Those 1:16:41.080 --> 1:16:44.200 are the motherfucker's tapes and started spreading. It became kind 1:16:44.240 --> 1:16:47.519 of a like the holy Grail of hip hop. If 1:16:47.520 --> 1:16:49.240 you want to trace the sound, if you want to 1:16:49.600 --> 1:16:53.200 hear live hip hop at its earliest point, you gotta 1:16:53.280 --> 1:16:55.240 have one of those cassette tapes. It goes back to 1:16:55.320 --> 1:16:58.720 those cassettes. It's got sampled all throughout. So now people yeah, 1:16:58.840 --> 1:17:01.880 oh yeah, yeah people? Is it frivolously? And like I said, 1:17:01.920 --> 1:17:04.080 if we would have had a control of that ship, 1:17:04.640 --> 1:17:07.800 people couldn't just people would get paid for that, you 1:17:07.880 --> 1:17:09.920 know what I mean. But I've heard numerous samples from 1:17:09.960 --> 1:17:15.200 most school chaps. I think I'm on one for uh back, 1:17:16.600 --> 1:17:20.840 oh yeah yeah, and what are you sample? It's me 1:17:21.040 --> 1:17:25.599 talking at a party. We need to we granted needs 1:17:25.640 --> 1:17:29.800 to check yeah yeah back get the check back. Yeah. 1:17:29.840 --> 1:17:32.160 So so yeah, I mean those those that was how 1:17:32.240 --> 1:17:35.280 people first heard hip hop live. Let so let me 1:17:35.320 --> 1:17:39.439 ask you, right, um, this controversy thing came out. We 1:17:39.520 --> 1:17:41.840 had care rests one on here and when we asked 1:17:41.880 --> 1:17:44.280 care rests one about this. It this was like three 1:17:44.360 --> 1:17:46.840 days old, you know, care Rest he'd be on boats. 1:17:46.880 --> 1:17:48.920 He didn't know what was going on when we asked 1:17:49.000 --> 1:17:51.720 him this question. But it was a controversiy thing that 1:17:51.760 --> 1:17:54.960 came out about African bat bottom right, just stripped the 1:17:55.040 --> 1:17:57.920 thing off the thing. This is one of our forefathers 1:17:58.240 --> 1:18:02.160 of hip hop. But it wasn't only just one thing. 1:18:02.560 --> 1:18:04.280 It wasn't only just one person. There was a couple 1:18:04.320 --> 1:18:08.320 of people that came out and with these allegations. What 1:18:08.520 --> 1:18:11.040 what did what did you think of that? Um? I 1:18:11.160 --> 1:18:13.760 thought it was crazy. I mean, like everybody else, I know, 1:18:13.920 --> 1:18:17.160 at some point people, you know, it was going around 1:18:17.320 --> 1:18:21.280 that the hip hop community knew about this, and the 1:18:21.400 --> 1:18:29.000 hip hop community didn't know about this. Nobody had no evidence, No, um, 1:18:29.680 --> 1:18:32.280 I don't want to cameras. Everything was pretty much speculation 1:18:32.439 --> 1:18:35.160 because you Bam. You never see Bam with you know, 1:18:35.880 --> 1:18:40.519 females that much, you know what I mean, or a 1:18:40.600 --> 1:18:43.280 lot of young guys used to be around Bam, like 1:18:43.479 --> 1:18:46.280 you know, like he had a little legion of young 1:18:46.400 --> 1:18:50.040 cats around him from from Zulu. But other than that, nobody, 1:18:51.479 --> 1:18:53.760 you know what I mean, nobody knows so for for 1:18:54.000 --> 1:18:56.559 somebody to say that everybody knew it was a well 1:18:56.680 --> 1:18:59.240 known fact. Now it was no ship like that. I 1:18:59.400 --> 1:19:02.719 was just a show actor, surprise as every fucking body else, 1:19:03.560 --> 1:19:06.439 you know what I mean. So we're gonna do this, 1:19:06.840 --> 1:19:10.200 this called quick time with slip. It's so very You 1:19:10.320 --> 1:19:12.320 just answer one or the other, both of you, guys. 1:19:12.320 --> 1:19:13.960 And if you say if you say both, you take 1:19:14.000 --> 1:19:17.639 a shot. If you say nothing, neither, you take a shot. 1:19:19.560 --> 1:19:22.320 But if you you answer, then your shot shot. All right? Cool? 1:19:22.360 --> 1:19:23.880 See you want to you want to get your shots 1:19:23.920 --> 1:19:27.840 lined up? We're joining were joining br my Japanese whiske. 1:19:27.880 --> 1:19:35.800 Let me get the jope. Yeah, you see, every glad 1:19:37.800 --> 1:19:44.360 that's the man. The man is right here, keeping with 1:19:44.479 --> 1:19:47.160 the shot. Knock out the whiskey because I don't know 1:19:47.240 --> 1:19:50.000 whiskey guy. The last time I was on, I don't 1:19:53.280 --> 1:19:56.639 just shot. Yeah, get him a shot last? Please? Anybody 1:19:56.640 --> 1:19:59.920 got the shot last? Well? I think we used them all. 1:20:00.040 --> 1:20:05.719 We need someone? All right, cool, we're ready asking me both. 1:20:06.200 --> 1:20:09.439 You have to wait, okay, mr no oh, you need 1:20:09.479 --> 1:20:13.200 a shot classes okay, no for And by the way, 1:20:13.439 --> 1:20:16.439 go watch the Indian Detective, y'all. It's really good. Yeah, yeah, please, yeah, 1:20:16.600 --> 1:20:25.360 smoke that please. Yeah. We got grandmas a cast Holy moly, berry, 1:20:25.520 --> 1:20:28.040 let me get the lane, got you man, somebody else 1:20:28.040 --> 1:20:30.639 give us a lighting. Man were over held wet sponsor. 1:20:33.960 --> 1:20:38.479 Tell Noriya, we're gonna bust on these. You can be 1:20:38.479 --> 1:20:39.920 a cup. I gonna put you up right now. Baby, 1:20:40.360 --> 1:20:42.240 you gotta keep the coach alive. I've got damn it, 1:20:42.439 --> 1:20:44.040 you know what I mean. We also got black old dude, 1:20:44.040 --> 1:20:45.840 say it's over here too. We got some rock to 1:20:45.960 --> 1:20:51.200 old black wana. Ma wanna what is that? Dominican? Is 1:20:51.240 --> 1:20:57.439 a dominican't well knows what it is? This one has wrong? 1:20:57.760 --> 1:21:02.200 My mama? Ain't that the ship dren three? Yeah? Woman Earth, 1:21:02.680 --> 1:21:05.360 you could do vood with this. Yeah, yeah, you know 1:21:05.439 --> 1:21:07.519 it's crazy. Then the other day I got a little 1:21:07.560 --> 1:21:10.880 fucking bottle of mama wanna myers appeared at your house. 1:21:10.960 --> 1:21:13.639 I don't know a little a little left it did. Yeah, 1:21:13.640 --> 1:21:15.920 I thought somebody. I thought some ship was gone wrong 1:21:15.960 --> 1:21:18.600 with the bottle I had that the fucking bark was 1:21:18.680 --> 1:21:27.400 growing them. Oh yeah, that's why I'm good. Shot Glass 1:21:27.439 --> 1:21:31.559 just take that right. Yeah, but poor shot though, motherfucker. Alright, alright, cool, 1:21:31.800 --> 1:21:35.720 are you ready? This one? Is gonna be very I 1:21:35.840 --> 1:21:38.920 know what, I know what you're gonna say. I don't 1:21:38.960 --> 1:21:44.519 know what you're gonna say. Okay, jay Z ornas jay 1:21:44.640 --> 1:21:48.160 Z because the overcar charging niggas, But what they did 1:21:48.240 --> 1:21:52.960 to the goddamnit jay Z, that's a tough question for me. 1:21:53.320 --> 1:21:59.479 It is, yeah, because again Jay has a longevity, but 1:21:59.600 --> 1:22:03.400 to me has the better voice. So you're taking a 1:22:03.439 --> 1:22:05.160 shot for that, I guess I'm taking a shot. Take 1:22:05.160 --> 1:22:14.479 a shot for that complicated they wish DMX or Tupac. 1:22:16.200 --> 1:22:21.439 We're right, DMX, see him looking over you, right, you'll 1:22:21.439 --> 1:22:24.160 see him looking over you. Yeah, all right, so actually 1:22:25.600 --> 1:22:37.280 but yeah, okay, cool, So that's no shot. Okay, eightlies 1:22:37.400 --> 1:22:46.479 hip hop or nineties hip hop. If I had to pick, 1:22:46.800 --> 1:22:49.280 if I had to pick one over the other and 1:22:49.400 --> 1:22:53.920 I wasn't from either era, nineties hip got me on 1:22:54.000 --> 1:22:58.960 that one. Did not think nineties Golden era? All right, 1:22:59.400 --> 1:23:05.599 run them see out the locks? Locks? Wow, he said 1:23:05.640 --> 1:23:08.880 that quickly, too funny style that I love the locks, 1:23:08.960 --> 1:23:11.160 but I gotta ride with run DMC on this. You 1:23:11.240 --> 1:23:15.000 got the hat the locks. I mean as far as 1:23:15.160 --> 1:23:20.880 like lyrical or whatever whatever your criteria. Alright, podcasts or 1:23:20.960 --> 1:23:28.639 radio podcast, podcast, since I have one culturally canceled. Alright 1:23:29.400 --> 1:23:33.280 out now subscribe a radio, have a podcast, have a podcast. 1:23:33.439 --> 1:23:40.280 Rock Him a big daddy came, m hm, he's tough. 1:23:44.760 --> 1:23:46.000 You do get take a shot. If you don't want 1:23:46.000 --> 1:23:47.840 to answer, it's okay. Well if you say both. You 1:23:47.920 --> 1:23:53.559 know that I like how you stuck by the way. 1:23:53.600 --> 1:23:56.280 I love that. I love that. Maybe you know you 1:23:56.400 --> 1:23:58.360 thinking let me help, let me help with the criteria. 1:23:59.600 --> 1:24:02.120 Live is one thing, and on records another thing. We 1:24:02.640 --> 1:24:07.240 did do another shot. Let's tick to the program with 1:24:08.120 --> 1:24:09.559 the fact that you're thinking about it that much. Let's 1:24:09.560 --> 1:24:13.720 take a shot, brog He came, Yeah, I gotta go 1:24:13.840 --> 1:24:16.080 cane as well. And as you're saying the live aspect, 1:24:16.240 --> 1:24:18.519 I'm speaking based on live as I've seen rock Him 1:24:18.520 --> 1:24:20.679 in a couple of times, and I love rock Him alright. 1:24:20.840 --> 1:24:24.000 Rock Him is a fucking game changer. You know what 1:24:24.120 --> 1:24:27.719 he did. He slowed everything the funk down when everybody 1:24:27.880 --> 1:24:34.439 was screaming and ship, yeah, the microphones in cool ship. 1:24:34.680 --> 1:24:38.639 You know, he made his slamet the puzzle. Comp can't 1:24:38.680 --> 1:24:41.720 be mad at him. But I'm I'm a lyricist and 1:24:42.200 --> 1:24:44.400 and proud to say that one of the people that 1:24:44.560 --> 1:24:48.479 rock him looks up to as a mentor as far 1:24:48.560 --> 1:24:51.000 as lyrically, you know what I mean in being MC 1:24:51.680 --> 1:24:53.920 And same thing for Kane, you know what I mean 1:24:54.040 --> 1:24:56.920 that he's to him, im his father as far as 1:24:57.439 --> 1:25:05.559 you know in this game. Yeah, my, but I got 1:25:05.640 --> 1:25:08.040 a different eye when it comes to you know, and 1:25:08.120 --> 1:25:10.120 I don't know, I don't say judging, but as far 1:25:10.160 --> 1:25:13.800 as my opinion on on artists, I got a different 1:25:13.840 --> 1:25:17.040 eye than most people. Yeah. I mean if he was 1:25:17.120 --> 1:25:22.840 a master fucking lyricist okay and show person and co 1:25:23.120 --> 1:25:27.000 creator of hip hop, then you could have the same 1:25:27.160 --> 1:25:31.679 vision you know what I mean? And am not? Yeah, 1:25:31.960 --> 1:25:39.920 pretty well, so you went with I want we came 1:25:40.080 --> 1:25:45.240 because I mean as if you put two niggas on 1:25:45.320 --> 1:25:49.600 the mic once it gives you each other. Kane, we 1:25:49.640 --> 1:25:54.960 want to see versus we want to live. Yeah, they 1:25:55.000 --> 1:25:57.280 would have to do it live and can got some 1:25:57.360 --> 1:26:00.479 ship that people even heard that well, just so let 1:26:00.880 --> 1:26:05.439 let's let's go to the next Kumo Dulgi Rap. I 1:26:05.479 --> 1:26:08.280 would have to give the edge to Coolgi Rap though 1:26:08.400 --> 1:26:11.320 I am the DJ for Kumo D you know what 1:26:11.360 --> 1:26:18.400 I mean, And Kumo dmon Kumod myself and Malie Malice 1:26:18.479 --> 1:26:23.400 considered the holy trinity of sucking m c's. You know 1:26:23.479 --> 1:26:26.599 what I mean, the first holy trinity at m c's. 1:26:27.320 --> 1:26:34.759 And but commercially, if you're broke, broken, it stopped. Nigger. 1:26:35.840 --> 1:26:38.559 Oh that's whipping whip. Okay, okay, goddamn it, it's going 1:26:39.960 --> 1:26:41.920 tell them to take a shot where we at. You're 1:26:42.000 --> 1:26:58.720 with y'all, say what's up? I'm on drink Champs. Yo, 1:26:58.840 --> 1:27:03.320 I'm on drink Champs. Y'all with Nori and ain'tbody cans 1:27:03.360 --> 1:27:05.280 with mute his phone. But he's sixty one years older. 1:27:06.200 --> 1:27:09.800 Maybe don't mind, you don't mind, he's Grandmaster Bells. You 1:27:09.880 --> 1:27:23.759 went with Cougi Yeah, yeah, Rick or Duggie Fresh flick again. 1:27:24.560 --> 1:27:27.920 I gotta go with the live, the live aspect, Dougie. 1:27:28.479 --> 1:27:31.720 If you're talking lyrically, are we talking lyrics? Whatever that 1:27:31.880 --> 1:27:34.600 is for you want to be it's really what you 1:27:34.680 --> 1:27:38.880 trying to do. These dresses is supposed to be tough. 1:27:39.600 --> 1:27:44.160 Nobody got a show like Douggie Fresh. Nobody Fresh. Yeah, 1:27:44.160 --> 1:27:48.040 but Douggie hosting a show it will sucking. Make your 1:27:48.040 --> 1:27:55.639 party go? Okay, fat fire Freddy or I love who's 1:27:55.640 --> 1:27:59.040 hosting your party? If you got one person to host 1:27:59.120 --> 1:28:03.880 your ship. I think I give that love of the edge. 1:28:04.479 --> 1:28:08.160 I give that love of the edge. I mean what 1:28:08.360 --> 1:28:10.400 era is what I'm talking about now seeing maybe the 1:28:10.680 --> 1:28:14.920 way too complicated to do Overthink who's got a better 1:28:14.960 --> 1:28:19.920 live show? I mean fab five, Freddie's more, he got 1:28:19.960 --> 1:28:22.599 more white bitches. We established that. Yeah, nobody's also Okay, 1:28:22.640 --> 1:28:25.360 he's also a little more friendly to the people. Loves 1:28:25.400 --> 1:28:27.519 not and love is cool with me. But I'm just saying, 1:28:27.720 --> 1:28:29.720 you see him be a dickhead. Nine seeing him be 1:28:29.720 --> 1:28:32.800 a dickhead. But you seen him signed the autograph. Not 1:28:32.880 --> 1:28:34.880 take a picture. Let's just go. I remember one time 1:28:34.960 --> 1:28:39.000 twenty five years ago, he wanted the limo to himself. 1:28:39.080 --> 1:28:41.760 It's all I'm saying. He kicked you out. No, he 1:28:41.800 --> 1:28:44.120 just wouldn't let nobody in. I mean he's making a 1:28:44.400 --> 1:28:52.240 pay for that love. And I love that lover asshole. Okay. 1:28:52.640 --> 1:28:58.400 MTV raps or rap City or rap City Yeah wow, 1:29:03.280 --> 1:29:09.640 MTV rat Yeah yeah, yeah, fact Okay, big yeah, Big 1:29:13.240 --> 1:29:17.200 big El. I'm I'm a diehard Biggie fan and I 1:29:17.320 --> 1:29:20.240 love big El. He's like right there with it. Okay, 1:29:21.280 --> 1:29:27.800 Red Alert Boosey, be alert. Read Uncle Red Okay, I 1:29:27.840 --> 1:29:29.599 don't know why they got this here, but Wild Style 1:29:29.680 --> 1:29:32.880 of B Street Brucy be my dude, though, that's my dude. 1:29:32.920 --> 1:29:35.640 He came up right under me. Man, But read if 1:29:35.680 --> 1:29:38.040 I was gonna hire somebody, and I could only hire 1:29:38.160 --> 1:29:41.679 one person, that'd be read alert Wild Style of B Street. 1:29:41.680 --> 1:29:47.360 You already it wasn't n B Street Wild Style all day. 1:29:47.800 --> 1:29:51.560 And while Style was the first and west authentic of 1:29:51.680 --> 1:29:53.880 all of all of those movies, the first time I 1:29:53.920 --> 1:29:56.040 saw a Wild Style thought was a documentary. That's what 1:29:56.120 --> 1:29:58.960 we're saying. And you know that version of Wild Sty 1:29:59.040 --> 1:30:01.080 that you have right there, it's the bootleg. It's not 1:30:01.160 --> 1:30:06.600 the boots like it's the but you know, but you 1:30:06.680 --> 1:30:11.880 know he was first. I'll tell you what's different on 1:30:11.960 --> 1:30:14.759 that one is when there's a scene of Grandmaster Flashes 1:30:14.760 --> 1:30:17.840 cutting up live on the original, he's cutting up Marty 1:30:17.880 --> 1:30:22.120 Grass and they couldn't clear it. They couldn't clear audio 1:30:22.240 --> 1:30:24.080 for something else, but you don't even know what it is. 1:30:24.120 --> 1:30:28.160 They put another another beat in there. That's how much 1:30:28.200 --> 1:30:30.600 of a nerd I am for this ship. Okay, And 1:30:32.520 --> 1:30:34.800 two that that's when the movie came out, But that's 1:30:34.800 --> 1:30:36.920 not when that is right, right right. One that came 1:30:36.960 --> 1:30:38.640 out for that was like a yellow copy was just 1:30:38.800 --> 1:30:41.439 it was mad cheap looking. I got it at kmart 1:30:41.479 --> 1:30:49.880 and eighty four. Okay, I'll be sure what he thought 1:30:50.240 --> 1:30:54.280 he was thinking was playing out. I mean you never know, man, 1:30:54.360 --> 1:30:57.920 I'll be sure it was dropping some ship. Just battle 1:30:57.960 --> 1:31:02.320 of the light skin niggers do get got it? I 1:31:02.400 --> 1:31:05.519 gotta give it that else good. Yeah, I mean listen, 1:31:05.560 --> 1:31:07.840 I remember my only compliment that ever got when I 1:31:07.960 --> 1:31:11.400 was like in the early nineties was a girl because 1:31:11.439 --> 1:31:17.680 I had I always wanted to be all, let's pick 1:31:17.760 --> 1:31:25.880 up that girl and the like, I ain't sure, I'll 1:31:25.880 --> 1:31:37.160 be late, I'll be damn orr Fesse, I mean, you 1:31:37.240 --> 1:31:38.800 know the shots like that. Just in case you know 1:31:38.840 --> 1:31:40.920 what I'm saying. You ain't got you ain't got to 1:31:40.960 --> 1:31:44.439 pick anything on jobs. I'll answered before you, just to 1:31:44.479 --> 1:31:50.679 make it easier for you. No, no, I don't need that. Lord. 1:31:50.760 --> 1:31:57.559 Finesse Okay, Finesse is my brother, Like we we lived together. 1:31:57.680 --> 1:31:59.720 So I mean, you know, sounds a little crazy. Not 1:31:59.840 --> 1:32:06.240 like that, okay. That digging in the crate, not digging 1:32:06.280 --> 1:32:10.360 in the crotches. He's no, that is my man. I mean, 1:32:11.280 --> 1:32:20.840 so hey, you look, even Whitey loves Let me just 1:32:20.960 --> 1:32:26.600 say it. We gotta get him on your show. So 1:32:26.680 --> 1:32:29.479 you're going off and I gotta go yeah, And I 1:32:29.560 --> 1:32:33.080 love Guru this one. I really want to dig to 1:32:33.160 --> 1:32:36.719 see what y'all gonna say on this one. DJ Premier 1:32:37.840 --> 1:32:42.880 more Large Professor, DJ, that was very easy, and I 1:32:43.000 --> 1:32:45.680 love I love Large Professor, but Large Pro was like 1:32:46.720 --> 1:32:51.519 in that next conversation, that's why the name is. That's 1:32:51.560 --> 1:32:57.679 why his name is Premier. He's Premier. He's like Large 1:32:57.720 --> 1:33:12.280 Pro was the next Marley m HM Forrell or Kanye creatively, 1:33:17.160 --> 1:33:22.800 who's that shot? My man? My handy blood kaved some 1:33:23.240 --> 1:33:26.360 a bitch. Come on, I'm want you whiskey. I don't 1:33:26.360 --> 1:33:28.760 want you. Come on whiskey. By the way, this is 1:33:28.840 --> 1:33:31.600 no what I'm gonna take a shot. Let's go hold on, 1:33:31.640 --> 1:33:33.400 wait for us. We gotta take my first shot on 1:33:33.680 --> 1:33:38.320 take your shot for my You're taking a shot, Thank you, 1:33:38.520 --> 1:33:42.000 thank you. Take a shot by any of the detective 1:33:42.040 --> 1:33:50.000 brother just go whatever I got ride yeah, okay, do 1:33:52.800 --> 1:34:00.400 your yeah right right, the drink two more drinks? Okay? 1:34:00.479 --> 1:34:07.599 Who is Swiss beat Swiss be? I gotta go with Swizzy, 1:34:08.280 --> 1:34:15.240 Although I love the newness that Tim brought to production, 1:34:15.680 --> 1:34:17.839 you know what I mean? His sound was like unique, 1:34:18.080 --> 1:34:24.160 just like Pharrell's was. But I'm more tuned into Swizzies. Okay. 1:34:26.120 --> 1:34:30.240 I look at Swiss, Pharrell, and Tim as the same era. 1:34:30.560 --> 1:34:33.080 They all three came with three different sounds, and you 1:34:33.160 --> 1:34:36.400 knew exactly who you were listening to each time. Damn. 1:34:36.479 --> 1:34:38.479 That was I was about to getting on you for 1:34:38.560 --> 1:34:41.080 your long breakdown. But that was actually great. But it 1:34:41.160 --> 1:34:47.400 wasn't an answer, and but it was not on a breakdown. 1:34:47.560 --> 1:34:52.800 And it's like all three of them, So which one 1:34:52.800 --> 1:34:57.880 you're going with? All Swiss? I'm gonna go with Swiss, Okay, Okay, 1:34:57.960 --> 1:35:00.400 I didn't expect that the next of the That's it's 1:35:00.439 --> 1:35:02.320 more of a New Yorker question because I know you 1:35:02.400 --> 1:35:10.000 were the Raptors nick fan. I'm a nick fan from 1:35:10.439 --> 1:35:12.599 one of them. When willis Read? When the when willis 1:35:12.680 --> 1:35:15.240 Read limped out on the motherfucking court, nigger, I was 1:35:15.280 --> 1:35:18.679 still in there, like this, who ship willis just coming out? 1:35:19.160 --> 1:35:22.400 All right? I was watching that ship. Kassie Russell used 1:35:22.439 --> 1:35:26.080 to live next door to me I when I was tapping, 1:35:26.360 --> 1:35:28.720 and then they used to come out go jump in 1:35:28.760 --> 1:35:31.080 the cab go to the garden and there I R Kassie, 1:35:31.320 --> 1:35:34.519 just save me, all right, man, little dude, And I 1:35:34.640 --> 1:35:37.280 mean sometimes a lot tell people I name myself cast 1:35:37.360 --> 1:35:41.439 because Cassie Russell. Right now, you have Cassie Russell right here. 1:35:42.080 --> 1:35:51.280 But Cassy Russell. It ain't no accident better, That's what 1:35:51.320 --> 1:35:56.880 I'm saying. Okay, So I didn't like this one, but 1:35:56.920 --> 1:36:08.800 I'm gonna asking it. Fat Boys are the Beastie Boys. Seriously, 1:36:09.080 --> 1:36:12.800 I would have to say, musically and everything, I would 1:36:12.800 --> 1:36:15.640 have to give it to the beast Boys, you know 1:36:15.680 --> 1:36:19.960 what I mean? Boys? I mean, come on, these things 1:36:20.000 --> 1:36:24.240 made classic album, the production behind their their music, the 1:36:24.400 --> 1:36:27.479 themes and all that. I think that that Boys was 1:36:27.600 --> 1:36:32.360 more of a novelty act that it caught on. It 1:36:32.520 --> 1:36:35.439 was like, okay, ship, let's sign them up and you know, 1:36:35.880 --> 1:36:41.000 put out a record. Um. I think the people's longevity 1:36:41.160 --> 1:36:45.680 kind of play out as far as what they originally 1:36:45.800 --> 1:36:51.000 were in this thing in the first place. Um to me, 1:36:51.960 --> 1:36:57.000 if you are this, if you claim to be this, 1:36:59.160 --> 1:37:02.679 then you always that if you are at a certain 1:37:02.800 --> 1:37:05.000 level or whatever this is, and that then that's your 1:37:05.080 --> 1:37:07.920 motherfucking level. Don't you ever come here later on and 1:37:08.040 --> 1:37:10.040 tell me, na, I can't do that no more. What 1:37:10.240 --> 1:37:13.280 the funk? If you was ever great, you're always gonna 1:37:13.280 --> 1:37:17.960 be great. You always want to be great. So if 1:37:18.000 --> 1:37:21.200 you're not great right now, motherfucker. He wasn't great for fun. 1:37:22.840 --> 1:37:25.800 He wasn't great in the first place. You just for 1:37:25.920 --> 1:37:30.000 saying that ship. How many people today I'm sixty one 1:37:30.120 --> 1:37:36.720 years old funk with me. How many people can funk 1:37:36.800 --> 1:37:39.479 with me on the mic right now at sixty one? 1:37:39.880 --> 1:37:42.040 And I'm not just talking about my age. I'm talking 1:37:42.080 --> 1:37:48.160 about period. That's not that's not me bragging. That's the 1:37:48.280 --> 1:37:51.639 fact that I loved this ship. I breathed this ship. 1:37:52.720 --> 1:37:57.599 I am This ship makes a noise for that God. Hello, 1:37:58.680 --> 1:38:00.479 you just feel fasting because like I, I gotta got 1:38:00.560 --> 1:38:04.519 you more questions. Okay, Latifa m c L. I would 1:38:04.560 --> 1:38:09.599 have to give it, damn, damn, damn all the way around. 1:38:10.240 --> 1:38:15.959 Whatever you want. I go like, I like the disagreeing 1:38:16.040 --> 1:38:17.920 now because at first I thought she was just agreeing 1:38:17.960 --> 1:38:22.280 with nine. I'm like, I'm like, like, okay, the one 1:38:22.520 --> 1:38:28.160 ice cube or Scarface, you can take a shot, you 1:38:28.200 --> 1:38:30.639 know what I mean? We got the shots ready, Yeah, 1:38:30.680 --> 1:38:36.400 I got ready? One right now was cute, I go cute. 1:38:36.400 --> 1:38:39.160 I'm friends with Brad Jordan's but I love y'all call 1:38:39.240 --> 1:38:41.920 him Brad. I ain't calling him Brad ever in my life. Listen, Victor, 1:38:43.120 --> 1:38:45.120 I don't like first and we're not calling l Todd. 1:38:45.240 --> 1:38:50.800 I'm not calling. I'm not never doing that. I do 1:38:50.920 --> 1:38:53.200 call him to all. Actually I don't call me and 1:38:53.280 --> 1:38:58.880 Curtis call him to Tudd. I'm taking got No, that's 1:38:58.920 --> 1:39:02.920 not a shot, that's a drink. Take a shot that yeah, yeah? 1:39:02.960 --> 1:39:10.599 Take who? Sorry Kim or Fox? Now we didn't answer 1:39:10.640 --> 1:39:13.160 that one yet. What we took a shot? Oh, he 1:39:13.200 --> 1:39:16.760 took a shot. Took the shot, Kim or Foxy Brown? 1:39:19.120 --> 1:39:24.439 That one was harsh on me. I gotta go with 1:39:24.560 --> 1:39:30.080 Fox Foxes, that's my girl. You know, I was at 1:39:30.120 --> 1:39:32.800 a thing for I was at a thing, a personal thing. 1:39:33.200 --> 1:39:35.439 And as far as I'm spitting bars Is concerned, I'm 1:39:35.439 --> 1:39:37.840 trying to get her. When she first pulled that ship 1:39:37.960 --> 1:39:43.760 off with Jay Nigga, Yeah yeah, I never see her. 1:39:43.840 --> 1:39:46.720 Nobody pull no ship off like that. Since so I 1:39:46.760 --> 1:39:48.960 gotta I gotta go with Kim because wife, he loves 1:39:49.080 --> 1:39:52.560 Kim like my wife is not being an interviewed right, No, no, 1:39:52.680 --> 1:39:55.320 but I'm saying that's all out here in the house 1:39:55.400 --> 1:39:58.280 is Kim. I'm gonna go with Kim, al right, cool, 1:39:58.360 --> 1:40:03.280 I respect that you gotta go home, all right. Uh, 1:40:05.360 --> 1:40:08.320 this is a good one, actually, n w old tag. 1:40:11.640 --> 1:40:23.200 I gotta go. Yeah, I gotta go outcast or MAFTI me, 1:40:23.360 --> 1:40:28.760 that's easy, creatively outcast mob deep all day. For me, 1:40:30.760 --> 1:40:34.800 it's the m O bib from you from your party. 1:40:35.120 --> 1:40:37.559 Come on, come on, I can't quote lyrics for ship. 1:40:37.840 --> 1:40:41.439 All right, all right, I got your stuff and this 1:40:41.600 --> 1:40:42.880 is this is this is this is the last one 1:40:43.040 --> 1:40:50.439 she heard of Official Queen's murder kick shots to ship 1:40:50.640 --> 1:40:53.639 with all those who want to profile, to pose rocky 1:40:53.720 --> 1:40:57.719 in your face, with you alone in the street, because 1:40:57.760 --> 1:41:01.360 itself of this land. We'll be gunning to keeping your 1:41:01.520 --> 1:41:04.599 cruise running. Really supposed to they come around, but they 1:41:04.720 --> 1:41:07.599 never come close to and you can see inside your 1:41:07.640 --> 1:41:11.640 face you wrong place, your whole body lay stuff but 1:41:11.760 --> 1:41:17.800 bullet holes and such. Listen the last one, that's a 1:41:18.040 --> 1:41:21.640 trans Yeah, I love it. Let's get it kicking pri 1:41:21.840 --> 1:41:27.360 or master flex h that's easy. It's easy. Yeah for me, 1:41:28.000 --> 1:41:31.280 I gotta go kick a pre kicking pree come from me. Yeah, 1:41:31.880 --> 1:41:35.960 that's my hood. That's my calling them pooch wow. Okay, 1:41:36.360 --> 1:41:42.240 we don't we don't call you're going you're going to 1:41:43.320 --> 1:41:47.040 three all day. But we're not fronting on Master Flex, 1:41:47.080 --> 1:41:48.920 are we. I'm fronting on from No. No, you're giving 1:41:48.960 --> 1:41:53.360 me a choice between motherfucker's with all cool because let 1:41:53.400 --> 1:41:56.840 me just tell you what you want to do. Can 1:41:57.000 --> 1:42:00.160 preach my brother, But I still don't see people with 1:42:00.320 --> 1:42:07.560 the same passion as Master Flex, like, um, like what 1:42:07.720 --> 1:42:09.439 I mean? What I mean? It was like a time 1:42:09.920 --> 1:42:12.920 where the music just shifted, right, it shifted to get 1:42:13.000 --> 1:42:16.960 into this new generation, and I really see master Flex study. 1:42:17.040 --> 1:42:21.519 The new generation just told him to transition. And to me, 1:42:22.520 --> 1:42:24.200 that's like, you know, there's a lot of DJs that 1:42:24.760 --> 1:42:27.479 they didn't when when it stopped being vinyl. They wouldn't 1:42:27.479 --> 1:42:29.519 go to see these when it stopped being ce these 1:42:29.800 --> 1:42:33.679 they like, there's a lot of people that don't. Yeah, 1:42:33.800 --> 1:42:38.960 you're definitely like this at the final he likes Kring Crates, 1:42:39.680 --> 1:42:46.240 I don't like Karen Crazs. He like all my records 1:42:46.280 --> 1:42:50.200 to the party. Yes, yes, So my my point of 1:42:50.320 --> 1:42:52.439 that is not let's read it. But what I'm saying 1:42:52.520 --> 1:42:57.640 is I've never seen someone's so focused like to to 1:42:57.760 --> 1:43:00.280 not only be a legend here, but then to learned 1:43:00.280 --> 1:43:03.280 the craft of the new way. And I've never seen 1:43:03.360 --> 1:43:07.840 nobody like that, don't you think because commercially that was 1:43:07.920 --> 1:43:11.120 his job. That's differently, if you want to survive on radio, 1:43:11.200 --> 1:43:13.439 if you want to stay where you are up on radio, 1:43:13.560 --> 1:43:16.200 you gotta know who's new. You gotta know what's going on. 1:43:16.360 --> 1:43:19.600 You gotta you chump me up and round up and 1:43:20.360 --> 1:43:23.360 just get with that next generation, because that's that's where 1:43:23.360 --> 1:43:25.800 you're gonna beat. That's where you hopefully you're gonna be 1:43:26.400 --> 1:43:30.439 and if you establish a relationship with him, you're always 1:43:30.479 --> 1:43:32.679 gonna be in again. You ain't old school, you ain't 1:43:32.760 --> 1:43:36.120 old head or whatever. That's like the fucking dreaded. You 1:43:36.200 --> 1:43:39.720 know what I mean, Monica about generate old head? I 1:43:39.760 --> 1:43:43.479 mean old head and old school is different. O G 1:43:43.680 --> 1:43:46.320 too as well. That's that's what I meant to say. 1:43:46.439 --> 1:43:48.479 That when they say o G, they just they'll be 1:43:48.520 --> 1:43:52.240 trying to say you just oh. Sometimes it's not Sometimes 1:43:53.680 --> 1:43:59.360 up man them coming big broke. I'm like, wait a minute, families, 1:43:59.400 --> 1:44:03.160 this but yeahn't one older than you? You big hey, 1:44:03.200 --> 1:44:05.639 big bro How does that happen, and you're more knowledgeable 1:44:05.680 --> 1:44:10.439 than that, apparently the new slang. Yeah, y'all don't like 1:44:10.520 --> 1:44:12.639 being called old g at all, big home. You don't 1:44:12.640 --> 1:44:15.000 like none of that. I'm a white beard. I don't 1:44:15.040 --> 1:44:20.280 take it. Listen, man, I've been I checked out your 1:44:22.400 --> 1:44:26.880 movie Coming Home. You're working on that? Yo? Which one? 1:44:26.920 --> 1:44:30.240 Which one? Did you see? Yeah? Yeah? We released it 1:44:30.280 --> 1:44:33.400 with Rock the Bells right now we're releasing yeah, because 1:44:33.400 --> 1:44:35.519 I've been thinking he's not coming home sometime. I don't 1:44:35.840 --> 1:44:44.680 like that. But this ship is fucking amazing, you know 1:44:44.720 --> 1:44:48.679 what I mean. Congratulations got there. That's the real ship, 1:44:48.800 --> 1:44:54.040 so we don't correct real. And speaking of Rock the Bells, 1:44:54.760 --> 1:44:56.920 I'm about to join the Rock the Bells family. Well 1:44:57.000 --> 1:45:01.680 already have DJM me and I got a Show the 1:45:04.080 --> 1:45:11.559 Bells Radio. Um, and I'm kind of you know, I'm 1:45:11.640 --> 1:45:17.040 kind of pumped about that. That platform, oh definitely, you 1:45:17.080 --> 1:45:19.080 know what I mean. L l is a is a 1:45:19.200 --> 1:45:24.120 visionary and uh, I think he once he saw the 1:45:24.240 --> 1:45:28.559 platform that he could create in the lane that nobody 1:45:28.640 --> 1:45:32.519 really is really addressing right now, which is, uh, you 1:45:32.640 --> 1:45:36.080 know the Pioneers, the legends, you know the game and stuff, 1:45:36.120 --> 1:45:38.920 and you know and I appreciate y'all like that. Like 1:45:39.040 --> 1:45:43.640 I said, it's like when you see artists of the 1:45:43.840 --> 1:45:49.200 magnitude of ecstasy from who comes to specific I mean, 1:45:49.280 --> 1:45:53.880 and uh, just more recently business, you know what I mean, 1:45:54.640 --> 1:46:00.040 Producer Chuck Thompson, you know, Fred the Gods Market and 1:46:00.160 --> 1:46:03.320 Prince Yeah, Markie Den, you know, the list goes on. 1:46:03.600 --> 1:46:10.920 It's like you definitely start to appreciate who's left, you know, 1:46:10.960 --> 1:46:13.080 if you got anything and you know in you and 1:46:13.160 --> 1:46:16.080 there's something that you ever decided to do before, which 1:46:16.120 --> 1:46:19.360 I think you know, you guys have had this in 1:46:19.439 --> 1:46:21.639 your mind and in your hearts for a long time 1:46:21.800 --> 1:46:25.200 before this ever happened. You know, you had it in 1:46:25.280 --> 1:46:28.479 your head that yo niggas. We need to get these 1:46:28.520 --> 1:46:31.800 niggas some kind of recognition anything. It's some kind of 1:46:31.960 --> 1:46:35.559 and and it's contagious. I mean, like you didn't create 1:46:35.640 --> 1:46:38.559 the Turn, but not you. It's like Michael didn't create 1:46:38.640 --> 1:46:42.000 the fucking Moonwalk, but you got everybody in the fucking 1:46:42.040 --> 1:46:45.639 world doing you know what I mean, same thing with Legs. 1:46:45.640 --> 1:46:47.479 He didn't start rock Steady Crew, but he's the face 1:46:47.520 --> 1:46:50.680 of it. Wow, that's what's well, you know for us, man, 1:46:50.800 --> 1:46:54.160 You know. Um, you know, like I said, we met 1:46:54.200 --> 1:46:56.960 each other. You know, he was mixtape DJ and a 1:46:57.040 --> 1:46:59.240 rep for for the label. So I used to come 1:46:59.280 --> 1:47:02.000 out here all the time and me and him, me 1:47:02.160 --> 1:47:04.320 just seeing like his pure hip hop ship, Like he 1:47:04.479 --> 1:47:06.920 don't he just want to spend on vinyl. And I've 1:47:06.960 --> 1:47:09.120 been trying to tell get Sarato or something. I don't 1:47:09.120 --> 1:47:18.840 even got Seratto man at STO, nobody used come on, 1:47:21.560 --> 1:47:24.800 they just because they sponsor, you don't mean to me 1:47:24.880 --> 1:47:28.679 when I got so I'd like to put I really 1:47:29.000 --> 1:47:32.680 like to tell the truth. Our show is about interviewing legends, right, 1:47:33.040 --> 1:47:36.080 and I'm gonna be honest with you. You're a Raal 1:47:36.320 --> 1:47:39.600 rail Rail first legend for real. You know what I'm saying, Like, 1:47:39.920 --> 1:47:42.360 I don't disrespect to anybody that's ever been on this show, 1:47:42.800 --> 1:47:45.760 but when you look at your history and like you said, 1:47:45.800 --> 1:47:49.560 you you are the co creator. You know what I'm saying, like, like, 1:47:50.479 --> 1:47:52.479 there's nothing that can take away from that. And I 1:47:52.600 --> 1:47:54.000 just want to tell you that to your face, how 1:47:54.120 --> 1:47:56.800 much we respect you, how much we love you, how 1:47:56.880 --> 1:47:59.480 much we funk with you, and how much we appreciate 1:47:59.560 --> 1:48:02.800 it because like I said, um, we've been doing this 1:48:02.880 --> 1:48:07.160 almost six years. This is the funnest research you've ever done, because, 1:48:07.200 --> 1:48:09.719 like I said, I every time I was looking at something, 1:48:10.360 --> 1:48:12.559 I was learning something. And this is the reason why 1:48:12.560 --> 1:48:14.640 I wanted to tell these new artists that you know, 1:48:15.840 --> 1:48:18.639 you know you these new artists were reference of Michael Jordan. 1:48:18.680 --> 1:48:21.360 They were like, like Jordan six like nigger, You wasn't 1:48:21.360 --> 1:48:24.200 even born in Jordan. Why you don't know about grand 1:48:24.240 --> 1:48:27.200 Master cast Why you don't know about grammars at Theodore, 1:48:27.320 --> 1:48:29.960 Why you don't know about you know whatever, whatever, whatever? 1:48:30.040 --> 1:48:32.160 And And it's like if you can do that with basketball, 1:48:32.240 --> 1:48:34.679 you don't get paid off a basketball. You're little Dirk. 1:48:36.000 --> 1:48:38.080 You get paid from m C and you get paid 1:48:38.160 --> 1:48:40.840 from So wouldn't it be dope to go learn your 1:48:40.880 --> 1:48:43.120 own fucking craft. One of the problem is the tree 1:48:43.240 --> 1:48:45.760 was there when they came. They didn't care where the 1:48:46.120 --> 1:48:48.400 roots were planted. They didn't want to know about the see, 1:48:48.479 --> 1:48:50.240 they just wanted to know about the new leads. But 1:48:50.360 --> 1:48:53.759 they wore the Michael Jordan's They wore it and then anything. 1:48:53.840 --> 1:48:55.920 They wanted to know why the sixes were sixes, And 1:48:55.960 --> 1:48:58.040 they want to know why the sevens were sevens and 1:48:58.120 --> 1:49:00.600 why are they so famous. Why can't do that with 1:49:00.760 --> 1:49:03.960 hip hop? Why you can't go back there and realize 1:49:04.439 --> 1:49:07.719 that there was people that came before you. You understand 1:49:07.760 --> 1:49:10.080 I'm saying, I'm I'm a I'm one of them. I 1:49:10.200 --> 1:49:11.960 need to know about everything. If I like something, I 1:49:12.000 --> 1:49:14.639 want to know from from the beginning to now. Yeah, 1:49:14.840 --> 1:49:16.880 I'm like that. I love I love doing research. Now. 1:49:17.280 --> 1:49:19.120 When we first started this, you do nothing. But now 1:49:19.200 --> 1:49:21.600 I'm like, this is like, actually good. I know the 1:49:21.640 --> 1:49:25.360 Google Now I didn't know the Google vote. It's knowledge, 1:49:25.439 --> 1:49:28.120 that's the input. That's input, you know what I mean? 1:49:28.439 --> 1:49:36.559 So let me ask you, do you do you feel appreciated? Uh? Yeah, 1:49:36.880 --> 1:49:43.600 yeah I do. I do from from the community of 1:49:43.760 --> 1:49:50.519 hip hop, I feel appreciated, right, Um, Friendships that I 1:49:50.680 --> 1:49:55.280 made because of hip hop and because of people's appreciation 1:49:55.760 --> 1:49:58.640 for for for me and in hip hop are the 1:49:58.760 --> 1:50:03.280 things that you know, you know, our value and those 1:50:03.320 --> 1:50:05.600 are the things that keep me involved and keep me 1:50:05.680 --> 1:50:10.839 going and not just as a participant as an artist himself, 1:50:10.840 --> 1:50:13.519 because right now, you know, I ain't running around still 1:50:13.560 --> 1:50:15.560 trying to get a record deal, and those ships like that, 1:50:15.840 --> 1:50:17.840 you know what I mean. I pick and choose what 1:50:18.000 --> 1:50:21.040 I want to do, and hopefully I built up a 1:50:21.080 --> 1:50:24.040 resume large enough. But you don't not to have to 1:50:24.080 --> 1:50:26.840 prove nothing to anybody. You just look it up like 1:50:27.080 --> 1:50:30.800 like you did, be like, Okay, that's that nigga, let's 1:50:30.800 --> 1:50:36.040 bring him on the show. Oh yeah, yeah yeah, but yeah, 1:50:36.120 --> 1:50:39.320 I definitely feel appreciated. I've made associate with people like 1:50:39.439 --> 1:50:42.680 this brother, and he's connected me and you know, with 1:50:42.840 --> 1:50:46.120 so many things and so many people because that's what 1:50:46.240 --> 1:50:50.880 he does. He's like a fucking networker who you know, 1:50:52.120 --> 1:50:57.400 no really really really one person go you go up 1:50:57.439 --> 1:51:01.559 with one person, go through, and on the other side, 1:51:01.600 --> 1:51:04.000 it's like this bunch like that like some ship over 1:51:04.040 --> 1:51:06.960 there here, like you got two when you come out 1:51:07.000 --> 1:51:09.320 here and you know everybody over there. And he lives 1:51:09.360 --> 1:51:16.519 with yes with him, Yeah, he's downstairs. I'm upstairs in 1:51:16.520 --> 1:51:27.880 the same room we look for Let's reduced on my 1:51:27.960 --> 1:51:37.880 first album, Yes and the warri Point she did. Now, 1:51:38.640 --> 1:51:47.360 I gotta ask you, do you remember a young Fat Joe? Yeah? 1:51:47.960 --> 1:51:50.920 Fat Joe grew up in the neighborhood that I grew 1:51:51.000 --> 1:51:56.640 up in. But you know, years later, okay, um, my 1:51:56.840 --> 1:52:03.920 first knowledge of Fat Joe. He had a crew called 1:52:04.000 --> 1:52:09.360 Full Eclipso okay. And one of the members of full 1:52:09.439 --> 1:52:16.640 Eclips was family too, one of my son's mother. So, 1:52:17.640 --> 1:52:20.720 I mean, this ship is crazy, man, any question you 1:52:20.840 --> 1:52:25.479 asked me, I can connect to myself somewhere. I'm not 1:52:25.560 --> 1:52:28.560 trying to do this ship. You do it perfect. You 1:52:28.640 --> 1:52:31.360 deserve your flowers. Be game to you too. Put on 1:52:31.479 --> 1:52:33.559 that case. Look at that case. That's real real flowers. 1:52:33.680 --> 1:52:38.519 That's real flower last five years and mynas goal just 1:52:39.479 --> 1:52:41.880 but but but that's how that's how I first found 1:52:41.920 --> 1:52:43.600 out about Fat Joe. You know what he told me, 1:52:43.680 --> 1:52:45.280 you know what I mean, this and that this and 1:52:45.320 --> 1:52:47.519 that my nephew is down with you know this guy 1:52:47.600 --> 1:52:49.559 Fat Joe and such and such, And I'm like, okay, 1:52:49.640 --> 1:52:52.360 And then you know the songs I would you know, 1:52:52.479 --> 1:52:55.160 start coming out of this and that other people care arrests, 1:52:55.479 --> 1:52:58.719 start talking about him. So of course you wrapped the bronx. 1:52:58.840 --> 1:53:02.080 I know about you. I'm somewhere near close for watching, 1:53:02.360 --> 1:53:04.800 you know what I mean. So I've been about three 1:53:04.840 --> 1:53:09.479 of Joe's videos. Probably didn't notice whatever, So let me 1:53:09.600 --> 1:53:12.240 let me ask you. And this is probably a generic question. 1:53:13.120 --> 1:53:15.960 This Curtis Blow named Curtis Blow because he was doing 1:53:16.040 --> 1:53:22.120 Curtis blow I mean it's that's a legit question though. 1:53:22.360 --> 1:53:24.439 I mean, that's there's a reason why Superhead is Superhead. 1:53:26.600 --> 1:53:29.600 Maybe she was a superhero. Bro that's not for me 1:53:29.720 --> 1:53:32.200 to say. I mean, it's the rule was. Come on, 1:53:32.880 --> 1:53:35.040 I even got round. I got you know, I funk 1:53:35.080 --> 1:53:37.519 with music when i'm DJ and and I like make 1:53:37.600 --> 1:53:46.040 references to like, yo, you know Curtis Blowy. But no, 1:53:46.240 --> 1:53:48.000 I mean no, I don't. I don't think that's why 1:53:48.080 --> 1:53:50.880 his name is Curtis blow And when you Curtis, Let's 1:53:50.880 --> 1:53:53.800 be clear. Back in the days, cold was considered like 1:53:54.760 --> 1:53:58.960 that was like, oh definitely was Liken the coach started, 1:53:59.080 --> 1:54:03.800 you know, becoming you know, available to like to hip hop. 1:54:04.720 --> 1:54:07.240 You've been a studio fifty four? Yeah? Yeah, how was it? 1:54:07.240 --> 1:54:10.000 I never thinkerpop? She was Wow, she was wild. She 1:54:10.040 --> 1:54:12.439 think upop something the studio? Futyore did I or what 1:54:12.640 --> 1:54:17.200 I did? You did? I know? What would you? I 1:54:17.240 --> 1:54:25.880 went up? Yo? What it's been good. I'm a tune 1:54:25.880 --> 1:54:28.120 of baby at you making the studio before I went 1:54:28.280 --> 1:54:29.960 up in a few people in the Lime like that. 1:54:31.439 --> 1:54:32.960 You know the Lime light is open right now. It's 1:54:33.000 --> 1:54:38.200 Jude Long Club. Get the fut it's the church, that's 1:54:38.280 --> 1:54:42.920 that restaurant is that's not like yo. Yeah, by the way, 1:54:42.960 --> 1:54:45.120 New York seen me the city in the world. We 1:54:45.480 --> 1:54:50.400 made a club of church exactly. How how do you 1:54:50.560 --> 1:54:53.960 knowing that? For twenty five years, no one thought like, yo, 1:54:54.080 --> 1:54:57.760 this is yo. That kind of y'all did not ignore it. 1:54:57.840 --> 1:55:00.080 Y'all knew what you're walking into a church. Ignore it. 1:55:00.320 --> 1:55:01.880 Act like I didn't know where I was at. He 1:55:01.960 --> 1:55:08.600 became you know, you have to walk past a lot 1:55:08.720 --> 1:55:13.160 of things that were like that. You don't do in 1:55:13.280 --> 1:55:17.280 that motherfucker there. Well do you think and this is 1:55:17.480 --> 1:55:21.360 a generic question, but at one point, in order to 1:55:21.440 --> 1:55:23.680 be an artist who had to perform in New York City, 1:55:23.960 --> 1:55:27.280 Latin quarters, the couple cabanas, all of this, Oh yeah, 1:55:27.520 --> 1:55:29.560 it was there was like a what do you call it? 1:55:29.680 --> 1:55:33.440 The chicken the chipling circuit. There was a chipling circuit 1:55:33.480 --> 1:55:40.160 in hip hop down South. No, but I'm making reference 1:55:40.280 --> 1:55:42.480 to that, but it was the same kind of mentality. 1:55:42.520 --> 1:55:44.480 It was like, all right, you gotta play here. Now, 1:55:44.600 --> 1:55:46.840 you gotta play You want to expose up here uptown, 1:55:46.880 --> 1:55:49.000 you gotta go play here, all right? You want them 1:55:49.040 --> 1:55:51.000 to know you down and over to such such you 1:55:51.080 --> 1:55:54.200 gotta play here and then you do that until the 1:55:54.480 --> 1:55:57.400 man picks up for you. Now, now people call you 1:55:57.720 --> 1:55:59.600 to where they want you want you to come back 1:55:59.680 --> 1:56:01.960 to over here, But I want you to go back 1:56:02.040 --> 1:56:04.160 to over here. Yeah, I mean, we was one of 1:56:04.240 --> 1:56:07.960 the first caster just start going outside of the city limits, 1:56:08.320 --> 1:56:14.160 you know what I mean. Bronx west Chester, Connecticut, Jersey. 1:56:14.480 --> 1:56:16.560 You know what I mean. We had parties in each 1:56:16.640 --> 1:56:19.040 town every time everybody who had a skating rink, we 1:56:19.200 --> 1:56:23.360 was in that motherfucker perform at Bridgeport, Connecticut, New Haven, Connecticut. 1:56:23.480 --> 1:56:28.800 They're very Connecticut. Or I mean, I got arrested in Chickapee, Massachusetts. 1:56:28.960 --> 1:56:35.200 There's fired for having spikes on, having spikes on you know, 1:56:35.320 --> 1:56:37.280 you know we used to wear that spice. You know 1:56:40.720 --> 1:56:45.080 your money though, because Lubaton took yall spikes ship and 1:56:45.200 --> 1:56:48.000 made a hip hop again. But then they put it 1:56:48.080 --> 1:56:51.560 on shoes, said you liked shoes. No, One of my 1:56:51.600 --> 1:56:54.400 favorite lines is one of yours. What Lubaton sneakers with 1:56:54.480 --> 1:56:58.600 the spikes for the wear those I don't wear tho? 1:57:00.840 --> 1:57:04.520 I think even knowing that, Yeah, yeah, but but damn wrestler, 1:57:04.880 --> 1:57:06.680 you just you just a rich sneaker would running around 1:57:06.680 --> 1:57:08.840 with s Gards. This is I had him, I had 1:57:08.920 --> 1:57:10.320 it brought in. You know what is that kind of 1:57:10.360 --> 1:57:13.400 s Gards? That's Romeo and Juliet Oh. I love Roman, 1:57:13.960 --> 1:57:18.520 Thank you, thank This is this is a Judio and Fulia. 1:57:22.080 --> 1:57:23.960 They wrote from the same people. I threw him in 1:57:24.000 --> 1:57:29.000 from Peru. He's a Peruvian wrestler and he wrote weed 1:57:29.040 --> 1:57:35.480 on the side. You know what I mean, I job, 1:57:35.600 --> 1:57:39.400 what a job? I got a job, like said the 1:57:39.440 --> 1:57:43.200 Peruvian prince, the king of Kaludes. Okay, I didn't catch 1:57:43.280 --> 1:57:45.400 that line back in the days. Now it makes sense 1:57:45.480 --> 1:57:49.920 there you go, now what I mean. So yo, guys, 1:57:50.040 --> 1:57:54.760 because this is this is really truly an honor man 1:57:54.840 --> 1:57:56.400 when I really look like I did, like I said, 1:57:56.400 --> 1:57:59.680 I did the research and I'm seeing that and I'm 1:57:59.720 --> 1:58:03.040 seeing these parties like hip hop got to see m 1:58:09.160 --> 1:58:11.600 I actually don't know how to articulate this, but what 1:58:11.680 --> 1:58:18.240 I'm saying is, but what you gotta what kind of cigars? That? Yeah, 1:58:19.040 --> 1:58:26.280 it's from Puerto Rico, the country makes Yeah, this looks nice. Okay, Okay, 1:58:27.280 --> 1:58:29.440 I spoke to I love the spoken that man wanted 1:58:29.480 --> 1:58:36.480 them that looked like the christwn little so hip hop. 1:58:36.560 --> 1:58:38.320 I actually, did you ever think of hip hop? Make 1:58:38.360 --> 1:58:41.080 it this fall? And you said no, I didn't. I 1:58:41.200 --> 1:58:43.320 didn't like I said. If I would, I would have 1:58:43.400 --> 1:58:47.360 invested in it. You know, the people who couldn't do 1:58:47.440 --> 1:58:52.800 what we did did what we couldn't do. That I'm 1:58:52.800 --> 1:58:55.000 gonna say it one one time. The people who couldn't 1:58:55.040 --> 1:58:58.320 do what we did did what we couldn't do. And 1:59:00.240 --> 1:59:05.240 Russell Simmons can't rap, can't break dance, that's a great transitor. 1:59:05.400 --> 1:59:11.160 Can't dj, you know what I mean. He can't do graffitia, 1:59:12.200 --> 1:59:13.800 So what was your first But he did go to 1:59:13.920 --> 1:59:16.360 college and he did get a degree, and he did 1:59:17.160 --> 1:59:23.200 he understands the business of business, business and so he 1:59:23.320 --> 1:59:29.440 took that and uh, the rest is history. So it 1:59:29.560 --> 1:59:31.720 was your first impression, like when you see in Russell 1:59:31.800 --> 1:59:35.360 coming around, Because there were other than um. When we 1:59:35.400 --> 1:59:37.240 spoke about earlier, the sugar Hill Gang, I think you 1:59:37.320 --> 1:59:41.400 said her name was Sylvia, Sylvia Robbins, Sylvia Robinson. Other 1:59:41.480 --> 1:59:44.360 than that, there wasn't a lot of black executives. I 1:59:44.440 --> 1:59:47.840 was imagine that sugar Hill Gang was probably the first ones. Well, 1:59:48.080 --> 1:59:54.800 I mean, oh yeah, because they were independent labels Okay, 1:59:54.880 --> 1:59:58.800 you gotta understand, um, major labels would not funk with 1:59:59.000 --> 2:00:01.880 hip hop, and earlier days they didn't believe in it. 2:00:02.000 --> 2:00:03.840 They didn't think it would last. They thought it was 2:00:03.960 --> 2:00:06.480 just a fad or a trend or whatever, and they 2:00:06.520 --> 2:00:09.360 didn't want to invest in it. Curtis Blow was the 2:00:09.480 --> 2:00:13.720 first hip hop artist to a sign to a major label. 2:00:14.080 --> 2:00:17.880 Had Christmas Wrap Christmas Trap and didn't come out before 2:00:18.040 --> 2:00:20.720 the break later on. So let me ask y'all. Let 2:00:20.760 --> 2:00:25.440 me ask y'all that you definitely particularly wasn't that kind 2:00:25.480 --> 2:00:28.280 of commercial to make a rap about Christmas. You've got 2:00:28.360 --> 2:00:32.440 them right. But guess what, all right, guess what every 2:00:32.560 --> 2:00:39.200 year after Thanksgiving that record plays from that day on 2:00:39.640 --> 2:00:45.040 motherfucker all the way to Christmas New Year, over and 2:00:45.240 --> 2:00:49.840 over and over. So you tell me we love you. 2:00:49.920 --> 2:00:52.040 Curtis Blow got damn smart, you know what I mean? 2:00:52.160 --> 2:00:56.840 That was smart And that was one of the advantages 2:00:56.960 --> 2:01:01.040 that having a major label behind ain't you. You got 2:01:01.160 --> 2:01:04.320 a team, You got people who know the music business 2:01:04.440 --> 2:01:07.480 behind you. They're gonna hire the people that you need. 2:01:07.800 --> 2:01:10.680 They're gonna hire a fucking band, they're gonna hire producers, 2:01:10.720 --> 2:01:12.920 they're gonna hire if you need this. They're gonna bring 2:01:13.040 --> 2:01:15.280 that in. They're gonna all that. So you got all that. 2:01:15.440 --> 2:01:20.839 How the fun can you miss? As opposed to somebody 2:01:20.880 --> 2:01:23.880 who's doing something independently, even though they're doing better work 2:01:24.200 --> 2:01:27.320 independent artists are doing. I mean, come on, Bobby, the 2:01:27.440 --> 2:01:32.080 ship that the Enjoy Records that they did Pumpkin and 2:01:32.200 --> 2:01:35.280 All Stars, their bandage they did on is fucking incredible, 2:01:36.400 --> 2:01:39.480 and at some point that ship is gonna be I 2:01:39.560 --> 2:01:44.520 mean it's it's legendary, it's legendary. Sugar Hill Band, the 2:01:44.640 --> 2:01:48.920 sugar Hill ban that they did for sugar Hill Records, yeah, 2:01:49.320 --> 2:01:52.760 not sugar Gang, the band that played with the Gang 2:01:52.840 --> 2:01:56.480 that stole by record. And then do Booty, Yeah, do 2:01:56.680 --> 2:02:01.600 Booty who wrote the message? Not not that duke Booty, 2:02:02.160 --> 2:02:07.040 not a dooky booty, but you just hit me with 2:02:07.120 --> 2:02:09.920 two balls. First of all, you name it a dude 2:02:10.000 --> 2:02:13.840 named duke Booty, that's one. But then he's there, he 2:02:14.000 --> 2:02:22.120 wrote the message. Don't push me. I'm close to them, 2:02:22.440 --> 2:02:29.080 Try and not to lose mind right there. Wait wait wait, wait, 2:02:29.560 --> 2:02:32.200 wait wait, you're going too far right now, I'm hearing 2:02:32.480 --> 2:02:42.400 good not trying to cameraman, just got happy to singing reggae. 2:02:45.880 --> 2:02:51.880 Holy Moly, mo, I don't know where you're going with this, kid. Booty, 2:02:53.880 --> 2:02:55.840 by the way, we just gotta say Pauls every time. 2:02:57.800 --> 2:03:01.200 That's rest in peace. Duke Booty Okay was a member 2:03:01.240 --> 2:03:06.600 of sugar Hill Band and he wrote um the message 2:03:07.920 --> 2:03:12.320 and Sylvia Robinson wanted the sugar Hill Gang to do it, 2:03:12.880 --> 2:03:15.320 but they didn't want to do it. She was too slow. 2:03:15.440 --> 2:03:19.000 A matter of fact, nobody wanted to do it, and 2:03:20.520 --> 2:03:24.360 so Duke Booty did it, and they put Mellie melt 2:03:24.600 --> 2:03:28.680 on it to do the rhyme that he did broken Glass, 2:03:29.360 --> 2:03:33.440 So he wrote Melly's no book Glass everywhere that ain't 2:03:34.360 --> 2:03:42.000 do Booty wrote that the whole song did mel right anything, 2:03:42.200 --> 2:03:49.720 don't push me. Duke Booty wrote that the music for 2:03:49.760 --> 2:03:52.560 a Grand Master Ustion figs five. His name was ed 2:03:52.640 --> 2:03:58.680 Fletcher May he rested. That's Duke Booty and know that 2:03:58.840 --> 2:04:01.840 what Mellie. I'm sorry, I'm gonna say. Davy d did 2:04:01.880 --> 2:04:05.280 the music for I Fire Ruled the World, all right. 2:04:05.360 --> 2:04:13.520 That's a whole nother sorry different Dective. So yeah, it was. 2:04:13.640 --> 2:04:17.320 It was his idea and his song, and Sylvia wanted 2:04:17.360 --> 2:04:19.120 to Sugar Gang to do it. They don't want to 2:04:19.200 --> 2:04:21.440 do it. Want the Furious Five do it. They didn't 2:04:21.480 --> 2:04:23.320 want to do it, so she got Mel to do it. 2:04:24.480 --> 2:04:27.840 We do booty. So Meller is reciting do booties. You know, 2:04:27.960 --> 2:04:32.320 broken glass everywhere people pissing up. Mel wrote the last 2:04:32.560 --> 2:04:36.320 verse in the message child is born with no state 2:04:36.400 --> 2:04:39.400 of mind, blind to the way. He's a man God 2:04:40.000 --> 2:04:45.880 that smell And that was taken from super rapping from 2:04:46.000 --> 2:04:50.880 this song with the Furious Five on Enjoy Records. Damn, 2:04:51.680 --> 2:04:58.360 that record was two sides, so super rapping part one. 2:05:00.000 --> 2:05:04.240 It was like twenty minutes each side, just NonStop rapping, 2:05:05.000 --> 2:05:09.160 was super rapping. It was super rapping. So I mean 2:05:09.920 --> 2:05:13.600 you didn't know that, right, yeah? Yeah? So And like 2:05:13.720 --> 2:05:15.960 I said, rest in peace to d Fletcher and his family, 2:05:16.040 --> 2:05:18.600 you know what I mean. He just passed away recently. 2:05:18.800 --> 2:05:20.760 So what's that Like the thing back then is to 2:05:20.840 --> 2:05:27.280 have somebody else because that's like never that was what 2:05:27.400 --> 2:05:30.800 you're saying. That's partly the record ship. Thank you, thank you, 2:05:30.920 --> 2:05:34.280 thank you. If you gotta understand that, prior to the 2:05:34.400 --> 2:05:37.560 record industry being involved in hip hop, there was certain 2:05:37.680 --> 2:05:39.720 ethics and ship, you know what I mean, there was 2:05:40.000 --> 2:05:43.560 like a code you know written or unwritten, you know 2:05:43.600 --> 2:05:45.640 what I mean, you don't bite people ship, you know 2:05:45.640 --> 2:05:47.600 what I mean, You got ridiculed for that ship. There 2:05:47.720 --> 2:05:50.560 was nothing written down that said that. But nigger, you 2:05:50.600 --> 2:05:54.360 don't do ship like that. That's how it was so 2:05:54.520 --> 2:05:56.960 for somebody to say somebody else ship and then I 2:05:57.040 --> 2:06:00.920 mean in a big forum and and and you know 2:06:01.000 --> 2:06:03.760 what I mean, like benefit from that actually was unheard of. 2:06:04.440 --> 2:06:07.200 You get ridiculed for that type ship. But the record 2:06:07.240 --> 2:06:11.520 industry don't have no fucking rules, they don't have no morals. 2:06:11.880 --> 2:06:16.720 And that was considered the first reality rap pretty much 2:06:17.120 --> 2:06:21.200 pretty much. Ye, the message is considered the first one 2:06:21.280 --> 2:06:24.120 that dealt with you know, urban issues and the consitions 2:06:24.240 --> 2:06:27.160 that existed, you know, in our neighborhoods and ship like that. 2:06:27.560 --> 2:06:31.280 It was I mean it fucking Grammy Hall of Fame, 2:06:31.600 --> 2:06:33.800 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, you know what I mean, 2:06:34.200 --> 2:06:37.120 from that record alone, these guys, you know, not just 2:06:37.320 --> 2:06:39.640 that but and the rest of the thing they've done, 2:06:40.200 --> 2:06:44.200 you know, but that being the pinnacle that that message. 2:06:44.880 --> 2:06:47.360 But and y'all were cool back there because like it 2:06:47.520 --> 2:06:51.240 was like a little drama between the crews. We wasn't cool, No, 2:06:54.440 --> 2:07:00.240 it wasn't cool. It wasn't cool. You gotta understand, you 2:07:00.320 --> 2:07:04.320 gotta understand um when Melling mellan them, and and when 2:07:04.360 --> 2:07:07.080 the Furious Five, I keep saying, that's my brother. But 2:07:07.520 --> 2:07:11.280 when the Furious Five got signed sugar Hill, they left 2:07:11.800 --> 2:07:14.960 the streets. Prior to that, we was all in the streets. 2:07:15.640 --> 2:07:18.360 We was all by info. Who's the best in the Bronx, 2:07:18.400 --> 2:07:20.400 So who's the best in the New York or who 2:07:20.800 --> 2:07:23.040 you know what I mean? Doing these different you know, 2:07:23.680 --> 2:07:26.480 And once they got signed, they left and then once 2:07:26.520 --> 2:07:29.400 they saw going on a tour, there was nobody left. 2:07:30.880 --> 2:07:34.800 So we would like scrambling to to fill that vote. Well, 2:07:34.880 --> 2:07:37.720 were the next niggers after them? That's gonna take the throne? 2:07:37.840 --> 2:07:40.640 Or whoever's the best in New York I mean. So 2:07:40.840 --> 2:07:45.360 that was the Fantastic Five and us the Funky Four 2:07:45.480 --> 2:07:47.480 had got signed the sugar Hill as well, so it 2:07:47.680 --> 2:07:51.320 was off with the Furious Five Jersey label at the time, 2:07:51.640 --> 2:07:54.880 it was a Jersey label, but it was the factory 2:07:55.640 --> 2:07:59.120 that they were recording all this Now and we're still 2:07:59.480 --> 2:08:03.760 doing jam in all the world ship like that. Well 2:08:03.800 --> 2:08:07.400 we're doing shows and getting paid, but we're still doing 2:08:07.440 --> 2:08:13.080 a lot of performances. We're not signed on tour. This 2:08:13.280 --> 2:08:20.080 is amazing, this is then you've got Treacherous three. Yeah. 2:08:20.120 --> 2:08:22.640 I love how you change the subject. What's what I'm 2:08:22.640 --> 2:08:24.960 just saying to keep it moving. I'm saying, you got 2:08:25.520 --> 2:08:27.400 and then got signed who they get signed to? They 2:08:27.480 --> 2:08:29.600 got shign to sugar Hill because most of the most 2:08:29.680 --> 2:08:33.600 of the acts that were first signed to. It's crazy. 2:08:33.680 --> 2:08:37.320 It's like a migration from whatever group you and now 2:08:37.680 --> 2:08:39.600 to the next group that's gonna take you the way 2:08:39.640 --> 2:08:42.480 you want to go, even from history. Yeah, it was 2:08:42.520 --> 2:08:46.000 group popping my first MCS. You know, when they left me, 2:08:46.120 --> 2:08:48.280 they went to d J Charlie Chase. And when they 2:08:48.360 --> 2:08:51.280 left Charlie chasing them, they went to the Fantastic or 2:08:51.360 --> 2:08:53.120 they went to keV Kevin them and they became the 2:08:53.200 --> 2:08:56.440 Fantastic Five. Yeah. I mean, and it's the same with 2:08:56.560 --> 2:08:59.480 this ship right here. It's like you know, you you know, 2:08:59.560 --> 2:09:01.720 group happen to get to where the fun you're trying 2:09:01.720 --> 2:09:05.440 to go. And Sequence was on sugar Hill, and Sequence 2:09:05.480 --> 2:09:08.640 had Angie Stone in the group. Really, Andie Stone was 2:09:08.640 --> 2:09:13.280 part of Sequence. You ain't know that and Stone and Stone, 2:09:13.320 --> 2:09:19.560 Angie Stone and Baby Mama and he's seventy nine. I'm 2:09:19.600 --> 2:09:24.600 going funk you right on the Little fun She says 2:09:24.640 --> 2:09:40.320 in Everything Record, Wow, Stone, I would have never thought. Okay, 2:09:40.520 --> 2:09:44.120 and she smashed the Angelo. Let's be clear. Definitely got 2:09:44.200 --> 2:09:47.240 a baby, Definitely got a But yes, you have to 2:09:47.280 --> 2:09:51.360 be something. That's what Stone on drink ch we do 2:09:51.880 --> 2:09:57.400 we do and Angelo not to get before d' angelo. 2:09:57.920 --> 2:10:00.920 Andre Stone married to a little rod they see from 2:10:00.920 --> 2:10:07.520 the Funky four plus one see it Rodney Stone. Okay, 2:10:07.600 --> 2:10:12.800 that's a lot of people. Hey, listen, you ain't got 2:10:12.840 --> 2:10:19.360 me up here for no fucking reason. No ship, and 2:10:19.400 --> 2:10:26.440 I ain't saying ship people don't already know. But like God, 2:10:26.880 --> 2:10:30.760 why don't mean Google? We got the real got this 2:10:30.880 --> 2:10:37.520 Google right, grand Master Google. Let me ask Google master cast. 2:10:37.880 --> 2:10:39.640 Let me ask you right. If you could put the 2:10:39.760 --> 2:10:43.600 five everyone always asked the top five dead are alive? 2:10:43.760 --> 2:10:47.560 I'm not going to ask you that. What is if 2:10:47.640 --> 2:10:52.760 you could put the top five fathers and hip hop fathers, 2:10:52.880 --> 2:10:58.040 like how the FBI got you know, FBI w Dobie wanted. 2:10:58.680 --> 2:11:02.800 They'll put They'll with Gotti head and help with I'll 2:11:02.880 --> 2:11:07.720 copy down and signillary and all that. If you could 2:11:07.760 --> 2:11:14.920 do yours the top five hop fathers and godfathers. I 2:11:14.960 --> 2:11:19.440 would like to hear it in order. You don't have 2:11:19.480 --> 2:11:21.520 to be in order. It has to be if you're 2:11:21.520 --> 2:11:23.720 putting in that way, that's not the man. You're saying 2:11:23.840 --> 2:11:26.200 godfather and father. There's got to be in some kind 2:11:26.240 --> 2:11:29.640 of order, Okay, But you can't have the godfather before 2:11:29.680 --> 2:11:34.080 the father before the all. It all, it all, it 2:11:34.200 --> 2:11:38.680 all starts with Core. Write for me and for everybody, 2:11:38.840 --> 2:11:41.200 that's where I come from. I'm on the west side 2:11:41.240 --> 2:11:43.120 of the Bronx. I lived up on the next block 2:11:43.240 --> 2:11:47.840 from Core Centwick Avenue, fail in Place. Okay. So when 2:11:47.840 --> 2:11:50.840 I was young and impressionable and the block would clear 2:11:50.920 --> 2:11:53.000 out and go down to fucking block all, you know, 2:11:53.160 --> 2:11:54.680 the whole block of clear out, I'll be like, what 2:11:54.800 --> 2:11:56.880 the funk is going on? But I'm you know, I'm 2:11:57.160 --> 2:12:01.400 thirteen fifteen. You we're going to cool Hirk party. We're 2:12:01.400 --> 2:12:04.400 going to cool Hirk party. So I wasn't able to 2:12:04.480 --> 2:12:07.520 go to cool work party. But you know what I mean, 2:12:07.640 --> 2:12:10.000 I'm like, this must be some ship. And then when 2:12:10.040 --> 2:12:12.800 he started playing outside, I got the opportunity to see him, 2:12:12.840 --> 2:12:17.560 and from that time, you know, I aspired to be 2:12:17.680 --> 2:12:19.880 a DJ like Cool Hurt, you know what I mean, 2:12:20.080 --> 2:12:24.840 and everybody else once they caught the bug that we 2:12:24.960 --> 2:12:29.240 call hip hop. Now, um, we're mainly inspired by by 2:12:29.400 --> 2:12:32.040 Cool Hurt, you know what I mean. Everybody else popped 2:12:32.120 --> 2:12:35.080 up afterwards and popped up, you know, as a result 2:12:35.200 --> 2:12:38.640 of or or c N or being inspired by and like, yo, 2:12:38.720 --> 2:12:42.240 I want to do that. So you know the Blackout 2:12:42.440 --> 2:12:45.040 seventy seven, that's when you got your equipment. You know, 2:12:45.200 --> 2:12:53.720 I have my equipment already, but I got before. You 2:12:53.800 --> 2:12:56.560 know what I'm saying, because it's just a focused So 2:12:56.760 --> 2:13:01.600 we got Cool Hirk. He your father, the father. He 2:13:01.760 --> 2:13:04.960 is the father, or the grandfather, to be even more correct, 2:13:05.080 --> 2:13:08.720 the fall. Let's give him the fall. He's the father. Yeah, now, 2:13:08.880 --> 2:13:13.320 as you go on, grandfather, but but originally father. You 2:13:13.480 --> 2:13:15.680 got this is I ain't talking about the world of 2:13:15.760 --> 2:13:19.560 hip hop to rad maaster cast what was your name? Casting? 2:13:19.600 --> 2:13:23.720 Noble fly A S and the O V A and 2:13:23.880 --> 2:13:26.960 the rest is fl I still think we deserve royalties 2:13:26.960 --> 2:13:29.640 off that. Yeah, listen, we're gonna ship. We need to 2:13:29.680 --> 2:13:34.480 figure that out. I like Leland Robinson, somebody she's gonna 2:13:34.520 --> 2:13:37.760 hear about back Page that's set up with a backpage, 2:13:37.920 --> 2:13:42.200 is that, Paige? No, back page? Yeah, page, don't even 2:13:43.280 --> 2:13:48.200 he's talking about reparations. Yeahpation. He's talking about back page. 2:13:48.240 --> 2:13:49.840 That's the point of ship. That's a point on ship. 2:13:50.440 --> 2:13:52.880 He said, No, I didn't saying that. He said back page. 2:13:53.120 --> 2:14:01.560 He went to back you want to go in right? 2:14:02.880 --> 2:14:08.760 All right? So number one I need to hear two, three, four? 2:14:08.920 --> 2:14:11.160 Who stems from her? Then? No, no, no, I want 2:14:11.240 --> 2:14:14.840 to according to you, I don't give an it's politically correct. 2:14:14.880 --> 2:14:20.640 I think what you your perspective Africa, Vambada too right 2:14:20.720 --> 2:14:28.680 after her or one of like there were a couple 2:14:28.760 --> 2:14:33.240 of people, but they didn't like last long enough in 2:14:33.320 --> 2:14:37.480 the landscape, you know what I mean? Yeah, to make 2:14:37.560 --> 2:14:40.200 the kind of impact maybe to me because I knew, 2:14:40.600 --> 2:14:43.360 but not to enough people, like enough people know the 2:14:43.480 --> 2:14:46.800 DJ that I would talk about, you know what I mean? Um, 2:14:46.960 --> 2:14:51.440 so I would have to say Flash, Um was the next. 2:14:51.480 --> 2:14:53.800 So if there's like an amount of rushmore of hip 2:14:53.840 --> 2:14:58.879 hop DJs and of course cooler, cooler Vamba grand Master Flash, 2:14:59.680 --> 2:15:04.320 if we talking about hip hop period people, Um, I 2:15:04.360 --> 2:15:09.560 would have to add um Melie mel said that and 2:15:09.880 --> 2:15:13.000 probably myself to the other side, Damn you know what 2:15:13.080 --> 2:15:16.400 I mean, and that would be the five. If you 2:15:16.560 --> 2:15:19.880 want to ask them, you can ask them. Oh, I mean, 2:15:19.960 --> 2:15:22.080 of course we can ask. I mean, come on, a 2:15:22.320 --> 2:15:26.560 J d J A J I mean promoter. I mean 2:15:26.920 --> 2:15:29.200 he was more of a promoter than he was a DJ. 2:15:29.920 --> 2:15:36.000 But the nigga wrote, if I rule the world, I'm 2:15:36.040 --> 2:15:41.800 scared to ask. Why the funk? Am I here? What 2:15:41.920 --> 2:15:50.320 I'm saying? Okay, J Curtis world, the whole thing. Yeah, 2:15:51.760 --> 2:15:53.520 a lot of ship right now. We are out of 2:15:54.200 --> 2:15:58.120 my childhood as well. Not a bad thing. I'm just 2:15:58.240 --> 2:16:01.760 saying that for a very long time. Yeah, they was 2:16:01.840 --> 2:16:03.840 daring with each other and goes right. And what once 2:16:03.920 --> 2:16:06.640 you become an artist, man, that that hip hop purist 2:16:06.680 --> 2:16:10.400 ship goes right out the window out of who wrote it? 2:16:10.720 --> 2:16:12.880 I don't give a funk who invented it. Who I 2:16:13.000 --> 2:16:16.240 did was who you stolen from? That's just sound good. 2:16:16.280 --> 2:16:18.960 You're gonna recording that. Put that's your down, you know, 2:16:19.760 --> 2:16:24.040 so sit but hold up in this mount roachmore that 2:16:24.080 --> 2:16:26.640 you create. We got the five? No, hold on, hold on, 2:16:26.640 --> 2:16:30.040 hold up, where do you place? See? If you're talking 2:16:30.080 --> 2:16:32.800 about you're saying hipop bag the hole. I would have 2:16:32.959 --> 2:16:36.160 to include me and melimail In because you know, first 2:16:36.200 --> 2:16:38.520 of you will usually be cool, y'all just going at 2:16:38.560 --> 2:16:41.959 it at first. I mean that's groups. So we never 2:16:42.040 --> 2:16:46.600 never had no adam. But you're just put You're just adding, 2:16:46.680 --> 2:16:48.280 and this is just me asking a question. You're just 2:16:48.320 --> 2:16:53.320 adding the music side. Where do the b boys, the dances, 2:16:53.400 --> 2:16:56.720 the graffitis if you know that. Listen, if you are 2:16:56.800 --> 2:17:02.640 part of that mount Rushmore, if you relaxed, but hold on, 2:17:04.920 --> 2:17:06.200 we're not talking to you right now. We're talking to 2:17:07.959 --> 2:17:10.640 how many people are a mom Rushmore? Right now? It's 2:17:10.720 --> 2:17:14.760 filed four four, but we and we're stretching it by 2:17:14.800 --> 2:17:18.160 putting five. Do you want to include the elements of 2:17:18.280 --> 2:17:22.760 hip hop and every and every pioneer from that? It'd 2:17:22.800 --> 2:17:26.840 be too much. You need more amounts more mountains than Rushmore, 2:17:29.240 --> 2:17:32.160 So you know what I mean. Each each element would 2:17:32.200 --> 2:17:36.640 need its own um mountain range, or it would have 2:17:36.760 --> 2:17:39.640 to be a big enough mountain range to fit every 2:17:40.320 --> 2:17:43.920 you know, pioneer from that particular. What I'm saying, far 2:17:43.920 --> 2:17:47.680 as the DJ's is concerned, it would be Coolherd Bambata, 2:17:47.959 --> 2:17:52.320 Grandmaster Flash. I would have to include um uh DJ 2:17:52.560 --> 2:17:56.720 Breakout because Breakout was one of the premier DJs back 2:17:56.760 --> 2:17:59.280 in the day, not for skill or nothing like that, 2:17:59.520 --> 2:18:03.360 but he had uptown in the Bronx on lock and 2:18:03.520 --> 2:18:07.320 there's more breakout flyers than you can find pretty much 2:18:08.120 --> 2:18:10.640 most motherfucker's flies out there. And I'm talking about the 2:18:10.680 --> 2:18:14.480 original Brothers, Disco Funky Four and then later the Funky 2:18:14.560 --> 2:18:17.480 four plus one more with my sister shall Rock that 2:18:17.760 --> 2:18:20.760 I will be on Rock the Bell's Radio with the 2:18:22.600 --> 2:18:23.800 But I just want I just want to say because 2:18:24.000 --> 2:18:25.720 the only reason I was saying this because even by you, 2:18:26.080 --> 2:18:28.560 you were saying the B Boys is what led everybody 2:18:28.600 --> 2:18:32.000 to downtown was leaving that B Boys, the B Boys 2:18:32.120 --> 2:18:35.240 along with like Bam Body. I think see Planet Rock 2:18:35.360 --> 2:18:38.160 had come out by eighty two, and Planet Rock was 2:18:38.280 --> 2:18:41.280 that merge between punk rock, that punk rock sound and 2:18:41.400 --> 2:18:45.480 that and and and hip hop. So it was like 2:18:46.400 --> 2:18:48.720 carte blanche down there, you know what I mean that 2:18:48.959 --> 2:18:51.520 that that fucking scene was crazy down there. And then 2:18:52.040 --> 2:18:54.760 Van was one of the first cast to acquire manager 2:18:55.040 --> 2:19:00.360 Lady Blue, and Lady Blue was like the she was 2:19:00.480 --> 2:19:03.760 the way in down there to the to that punk 2:19:03.879 --> 2:19:07.119 rock scene and to the rock sea and all that eventually, 2:19:07.320 --> 2:19:10.959 so you know, playing rock, came from trans Eupe Express 2:19:11.840 --> 2:19:18.120 right right right, Germany, so his impact is indelible, indelible. 2:19:18.160 --> 2:19:20.680 You can't you can't not mention them, you know what 2:19:20.760 --> 2:19:23.840 I mean? Him Grandmaster Flash being hip hop's first turn 2:19:24.000 --> 2:19:28.480 table list. Okay, prior to him, everybody was just playing records, 2:19:29.120 --> 2:19:30.560 you know what I mean. He's the first one to 2:19:30.600 --> 2:19:33.240 start manipulating records you know how I made and changing 2:19:33.320 --> 2:19:37.240 them and but being on beat with it. The Cats 2:19:37.280 --> 2:19:40.000 told me a really dope story about when he was 2:19:40.120 --> 2:19:43.160 DJing and it was supposed to battle somebody and it 2:19:43.320 --> 2:19:47.240 ended up becoming Theodore. He was supposed to battle Theatore 2:19:47.280 --> 2:19:49.760 and he was like, wait, you DJA now because he 2:19:49.840 --> 2:19:51.920 just knew him was Teddy from the block. Because DJ 2:19:52.200 --> 2:19:54.840 was actually bigger than the MC back then, right, it 2:19:54.959 --> 2:19:57.360 was all about at the beginning of the hip hop 2:19:57.480 --> 2:20:01.760 it was DJ, DJ, was you getting pussy let's keep yeah, 2:20:01.800 --> 2:20:04.560 but he's here. MC was shouting out the drug dealers, 2:20:04.840 --> 2:20:07.840 so he was getting little biteah. But prior to the 2:20:07.959 --> 2:20:10.680 prior to that, yeah, the MC was bigging up the DJ, 2:20:10.920 --> 2:20:13.080 and prior to that, the DJ was bicking up his damn. 2:20:13.120 --> 2:20:17.160 So me, that's how I became a dual you know, 2:20:17.560 --> 2:20:24.000 dual role. I DJ and I m C. Um My, 2:20:24.440 --> 2:20:27.680 my DJ would fuck up every time I would go 2:20:27.800 --> 2:20:30.920 to do something like crucial, like I wrote this rhyme 2:20:31.040 --> 2:20:33.400 that's this and this and that, and when I got 2:20:33.440 --> 2:20:36.920 to this point and when I say this, boom, you 2:20:37.160 --> 2:20:41.640 bring in the record, and nine times out of tenn 2:20:41.720 --> 2:20:44.360 niggas would suck me. You know what I mean. I'm 2:20:44.360 --> 2:20:47.359 like your fuck y'all, and I start DJing for myself. 2:20:47.920 --> 2:20:50.959 So that's why they started calling me the first simultaneous 2:20:51.200 --> 2:20:53.560 d J m C. I'm not the first dude to 2:20:53.680 --> 2:20:57.320 DJ and m C, but I'm the first guy that 2:20:58.560 --> 2:21:02.360 documented that could DJ and rap at the same time. 2:21:03.000 --> 2:21:07.280 And I'm cutting my own or like, I give me 2:21:07.360 --> 2:21:08.960 a break beat and I'm cut that ship up and 2:21:09.000 --> 2:21:11.200 I'm rapping and I'm rhyming over like that. It was 2:21:11.280 --> 2:21:16.760 crazy and still gets busy to this day. So you 2:21:16.879 --> 2:21:20.600 put you put your own that bottle, say you found bro, bro. 2:21:21.320 --> 2:21:24.119 I'm just saying your ship. That's the reason why I'm 2:21:24.120 --> 2:21:26.080 glad it's nothing. Maybe I had something in there, but 2:21:26.200 --> 2:21:31.240 now I realized it's not Holy mooning man, So we 2:21:31.320 --> 2:21:33.560 already deport mooted the Indian Detective. What you told you 2:21:33.600 --> 2:21:36.240 about that? Right? We need to promote it is the 2:21:36.480 --> 2:21:40.320 culturally canceled with Russell Peters. Culturally that's your part. That's 2:21:40.360 --> 2:21:42.520 my podcast. One day when you're in l A. I'd 2:21:42.560 --> 2:21:43.720 like to have you on that. You know, you know 2:21:43.760 --> 2:21:45.680 I got your back. Bro' doing that noble and makes 2:21:45.720 --> 2:21:48.880 you happy. They don't make him happy. Yeah, I know, 2:21:49.000 --> 2:21:52.680 I like expensive ship. Let me ask you something. Uh 2:21:53.160 --> 2:21:55.480 do you remember when Swiss Beats made the announcement that 2:21:55.720 --> 2:21:58.360 he wanted to give the old Scoop pioneers a million 2:21:58.440 --> 2:22:05.279 dollars uh uh each each we're going there for like reparations. 2:22:05.600 --> 2:22:10.160 Tell them, yes, I did. What was What was your 2:22:10.240 --> 2:22:15.280 take on that? One of my main dollars as well. No, 2:22:15.560 --> 2:22:21.560 maybe you wanted to do this old school you said, 2:22:28.040 --> 2:22:29.880 you know, to check to tell you the truth, I'm 2:22:29.879 --> 2:22:32.360 gonna be expensive. I'll be honest with you this that 2:22:33.360 --> 2:22:37.000 so it's actually got that idea from us. We actually 2:22:37.280 --> 2:22:40.760 was been promoted. I forget what. Who got sick and 2:22:40.840 --> 2:22:45.320 we was like this is terrible the rap community. Jimmy Spicer. 2:22:46.280 --> 2:22:50.080 Jimmy Spicer got sick when we started talking about it. 2:22:50.240 --> 2:22:52.680 Wasn't him, but it was somebody just got sick. And 2:22:52.760 --> 2:22:58.120 we were just like, you know what, book, I think 2:22:58.160 --> 2:23:01.720 it was hurkouldn't hurt, wouldn't hurt? It might it might 2:23:01.760 --> 2:23:03.680 have been when Curtis had a heart attack. Oh yeah, 2:23:03.800 --> 2:23:05.760 I think that's what it was. Yeah, And the point 2:23:05.840 --> 2:23:08.240 your point so um, and we were just like, you 2:23:08.320 --> 2:23:11.920 know what, it's ill for us to, you know, separately, 2:23:12.720 --> 2:23:14.879 try to do something good for him. But the thing 2:23:14.959 --> 2:23:17.360 about it is, once you put it in a certain 2:23:17.360 --> 2:23:20.360 amount of time in this business, we should have a 2:23:20.520 --> 2:23:26.080 goddamn union. That says foot on the fucking ship. After 2:23:26.160 --> 2:23:28.160 you wake up in the morning and you're going on 2:23:28.320 --> 2:23:30.720 your way to bump your brush your teeth and you 2:23:30.879 --> 2:23:33.840 hit your big toe and your big toe turns purple. 2:23:34.320 --> 2:23:36.640 Hip hop, come in to take care of that ship. 2:23:37.160 --> 2:23:42.400 We put The only entertainment that doesn't have a union 2:23:42.600 --> 2:23:46.400 is boxing. Boxing is a boodoo squad. Just what we're saying. 2:23:46.640 --> 2:23:49.920 Are we saying that we're boxes, But this movie was saying. 2:23:49.959 --> 2:23:52.320 We're saying that we're here the killing each other the 2:23:52.360 --> 2:23:55.760 pugilist sport because everyone is not going to make it 2:23:55.840 --> 2:23:59.080 to the Promised Land, right, Everyone is not but everyone 2:23:59.200 --> 2:24:05.160 deserves to say promised land, especially if you you put 2:24:05.200 --> 2:24:08.000 in a certain time like for us when we So 2:24:08.160 --> 2:24:10.600 I'm trying to get back to your question, because what 2:24:10.680 --> 2:24:12.600 we were saying, me and I was saying, was we 2:24:12.640 --> 2:24:15.440 ship form my hip hop union. Every time you get 2:24:16.040 --> 2:24:19.440 anything and it's hip hop related, five to go to 2:24:19.560 --> 2:24:25.000 that union. Like my saying sag like a sag, but five. 2:24:26.000 --> 2:24:28.960 And I think we got most people that that's down 2:24:29.120 --> 2:24:31.400 with that. But I want to I want you to 2:24:31.440 --> 2:24:34.080 re iterate what did you feel when you when when 2:24:34.120 --> 2:24:37.480 you heard that. I mean, I thought I thought the 2:24:37.560 --> 2:24:41.160 sentiment was good. I just don't think it was well 2:24:41.240 --> 2:24:44.959 thought out. Because if you think about it, who who 2:24:45.160 --> 2:24:48.400 is a pioneer of hip hop? And then you gotta think, 2:24:48.560 --> 2:24:53.480 all right, how do you define a pioneer in hip hop? 2:24:53.600 --> 2:24:56.600 And who can say the five people that you named 2:24:56.959 --> 2:25:00.200 the council You said the council, that's the council Cool Work, 2:25:02.480 --> 2:25:11.400 Grandmaster Flash, Bamboo him and mel Mellie Mail, Grandmaster Cat 2:25:13.080 --> 2:25:16.520 would would would decide who's who? I wouldn't have a problem. 2:25:16.600 --> 2:25:19.240 I feel like if this who knows better? The first 2:25:19.320 --> 2:25:25.840 five millions to go to your five? And we yes, 2:25:26.320 --> 2:25:29.720 that that first five million reparations you called it, I 2:25:29.840 --> 2:25:32.960 call it reparations, and I want you to know I 2:25:33.120 --> 2:25:39.160 they viewed it right here and drink quote reparations. That's real. 2:25:39.520 --> 2:25:43.880 That's just really really, it's as real as it is 2:25:44.000 --> 2:25:50.760 for people, for black people as a whole who deserve reparations. Um, 2:25:51.959 --> 2:25:55.360 any time that you've been exploited over over a period 2:25:55.400 --> 2:25:59.720 of time and people have benefited, and not just benefited, 2:25:59.760 --> 2:26:04.120 but I mean become fucking moguls. I mean they control 2:26:04.200 --> 2:26:07.920 everything at this point and could take the amount of 2:26:08.000 --> 2:26:11.119 money that it takes to give you reparations out there, 2:26:11.200 --> 2:26:16.400 motherfucker pocket and walk. There could be a way that 2:26:16.560 --> 2:26:19.000 you could circumvent someone having to give their own money 2:26:19.160 --> 2:26:21.760 and you siphon it from taxes. If the government got involved. 2:26:21.800 --> 2:26:24.160 I mean that's probably more complicated a little bit, but 2:26:24.280 --> 2:26:27.720 you could create you know, what you give them. It 2:26:27.959 --> 2:26:31.240 was original forty acres in the middle that you promise 2:26:31.360 --> 2:26:35.160 us in the first from the place, Okay, no more, 2:26:35.280 --> 2:26:38.720 no less. It was a fucking forty acres in the 2:26:38.840 --> 2:26:41.000 middle you promised us in the first. But there's enough 2:26:41.160 --> 2:26:44.360 land left out here all right for us to fill up. 2:26:45.040 --> 2:26:47.440 So that's where I'm at with it. God, damn it 2:26:47.520 --> 2:26:54.160 man yo man um. I'd like to see it versus 2:26:54.240 --> 2:26:56.880 with Cod Crush versus Fantastic, just to bring it back. 2:26:58.480 --> 2:27:04.280 See that's a way, that a good way doing give back. Yeah, 2:27:04.320 --> 2:27:06.800 but then we gotta work for that, So that's not reparation. 2:27:07.200 --> 2:27:10.160 That's not reparation that if I got to do more 2:27:10.240 --> 2:27:14.680 work for something for something, You're right, that's not that 2:27:16.120 --> 2:27:19.400 I respect that. Another way for you, another way I'm 2:27:19.400 --> 2:27:24.280 looking at was perform again. Right. Another way of looking 2:27:24.280 --> 2:27:27.120 at it is it's opens up the younger generation to 2:27:27.280 --> 2:27:31.480 actually see it in real life. I heard about it 2:27:31.720 --> 2:27:33.640 and now it is right funny and no going back 2:27:33.680 --> 2:27:35.840 and looking at that footage, I was like, I was 2:27:36.240 --> 2:27:40.360 so amazed because I was just like, damn, this is 2:27:40.480 --> 2:27:43.480 real hip hop. Like after watching Versus and then going 2:27:43.560 --> 2:27:46.520 back and then doing this and watching your battle, I 2:27:46.680 --> 2:27:51.400 was just like, Damn, that is That's the essence of 2:27:51.520 --> 2:27:54.760 hip hop battle and you know what I mean. And 2:27:55.000 --> 2:27:58.120 and people took for granted the DJ like you you 2:27:58.200 --> 2:28:03.840 said earlier, I mean, with him being a point was 2:28:03.920 --> 2:28:07.080 everything was everything we did. It go from me being 2:28:07.080 --> 2:28:09.800 about the DJ to it being about the m C. Well, 2:28:10.040 --> 2:28:12.440 what happened. Who was getting the most pussy? What happened? 2:28:12.480 --> 2:28:16.400 The DJ was getting all the pussy at first, Damn 2:28:16.480 --> 2:28:19.920 C was guys who used to help carry the crates. 2:28:20.240 --> 2:28:31.480 MC was carrying the crates before they were listen. I'll 2:28:31.480 --> 2:28:34.040 go through, I'll go through. You want to get behind 2:28:34.080 --> 2:28:41.400 the rope car? Motherfuck mother speak? Where that carry getting 2:28:42.760 --> 2:28:45.320 even bars carry craze for me? Man, he's still carrying 2:28:45.360 --> 2:28:47.920 crazy in my mind. So I made all the equipment 2:28:48.959 --> 2:28:51.720 right now, what a lot of what a live they 2:28:51.840 --> 2:28:55.120 just take for granted today. You know, everybody wants to 2:28:55.200 --> 2:28:58.160 claim ownership and yeah I did this, and I'm this, 2:28:58.400 --> 2:29:00.440 and I'm so and so if you go back to 2:29:00.520 --> 2:29:03.280 the beginning of this ship, if I didn't bring my 2:29:03.360 --> 2:29:08.360 equipment outside, it wouldn't be no fucking party. Okay. I 2:29:08.520 --> 2:29:11.200 never walked up to no motherfucker set and was like, 2:29:11.360 --> 2:29:14.360 all right, let's go. I had to bring my ship outside, 2:29:14.640 --> 2:29:17.400 my own ship. Okay. If it broke, I had to 2:29:17.480 --> 2:29:20.120 pay for it to transport it. I had to pay 2:29:20.240 --> 2:29:22.720 for it, all right. If it was a nice day outside, 2:29:22.840 --> 2:29:24.920 nig was like, your cas let's bring me set out, 2:29:25.200 --> 2:29:27.600 you know what I mean? All right, fucking come on, 2:29:28.400 --> 2:29:30.800 you know who you got. It's like nine niggers outside 2:29:30.879 --> 2:29:33.360 my door ready to carry everything out. All right, bo, 2:29:33.600 --> 2:29:36.120 let's get it go out, play all day, this and 2:29:36.200 --> 2:29:38.640 that play party, which is this and that such set? 2:29:38.920 --> 2:29:42.960 And then the nights start getting dark. Motherfucker's disappeared. Now 2:29:43.040 --> 2:29:45.840 I'm stounding out on the motherfucking park with a bunch 2:29:45.879 --> 2:29:50.240 of equipment. Yeah, I mean by my fucking sething, I 2:29:50.280 --> 2:29:53.160 gotta get all that ship home. See, those are the 2:29:53.280 --> 2:29:56.040 kind of dudes that people don't understand that you paid 2:29:56.480 --> 2:29:59.760 prior to hip hop being what you see it as 2:30:00.360 --> 2:30:03.720 me being grandmaster. Casts today come from me being that 2:30:03.920 --> 2:30:06.600 nigga that had to carry all of his equipment in 2:30:06.800 --> 2:30:11.360 three fucking taxi cabs, okay, back and forth to different 2:30:11.400 --> 2:30:20.800 events and ship like that. So well, oh my god, man, 2:30:21.600 --> 2:30:24.280 holy man, that's what you can attribute that ship too. 2:30:24.560 --> 2:30:26.840 And we didn't really talk about my crew, my group, 2:30:26.920 --> 2:30:30.280 the Cold Crush Brothers, goddamn, but we over charging niggas 2:30:30.320 --> 2:30:32.080 for what they did to try to have Charlie chase you. 2:30:32.160 --> 2:30:35.119 Today's in Chicago right now. Yeah, well that's a good thing, 2:30:35.600 --> 2:30:40.240 you know what I mean? No, no, no, why are 2:30:40.240 --> 2:30:46.720 you laughing? That's that bullshit. That's my man, chased with 2:30:46.840 --> 2:30:52.240 the fucking base. Um, I'm just laughing up the line, 2:30:54.400 --> 2:30:58.840 like I've seen Chase more than you've seen Chase probably do. No, 2:30:59.040 --> 2:31:02.600 we speak all the time. We come on, you know, 2:31:02.680 --> 2:31:04.320 we're down, but he just down here and you know, 2:31:04.480 --> 2:31:06.680 and we up top. But as far as the group 2:31:06.800 --> 2:31:11.480 is concerned, UM, I've gone through so many different people talking. 2:31:11.800 --> 2:31:15.880 They call it out reinventing yourself, reinventing yourself, and that's 2:31:15.879 --> 2:31:18.880 supposed to be something that you know, you gotta become 2:31:18.920 --> 2:31:22.039 a dept to if you want any longevity in this business. 2:31:22.560 --> 2:31:25.039 But I started out and then ship as a B boy, 2:31:25.840 --> 2:31:32.480 okay the boy breakdance to be boy, Bronx boy original, 2:31:32.680 --> 2:31:36.120 you know, B boy and going to parties dancing And 2:31:36.240 --> 2:31:39.640 one day hercle was playing at a club calling he 2:31:39.720 --> 2:31:43.520 Wilow and a security is to be standing outside and Ship, 2:31:44.120 --> 2:31:48.440 and one day he blinked, and when that nigga eyelid 2:31:48.560 --> 2:31:52.480 went down, I shot up in that motherfucker's club and 2:31:52.680 --> 2:31:55.200 I hid behind the speaker for about I don't know, 2:31:55.240 --> 2:31:59.039 about twenty to thirty minutes, and I just saw everything 2:31:59.120 --> 2:32:00.840 that went on and and I was like Yo, this 2:32:01.000 --> 2:32:02.840 is the fuck it. I didn't say it like that, 2:32:02.959 --> 2:32:05.320 but I was like, Yo, this is it. This is 2:32:05.400 --> 2:32:07.480 what I want to do. See, I don't want to 2:32:07.520 --> 2:32:10.199 be one of the hundreds of people out here dancing. 2:32:11.000 --> 2:32:14.720 I want to be that one person that's making all 2:32:14.800 --> 2:32:18.720 these hundreds of people dansk And that's when I decided 2:32:18.720 --> 2:32:23.360 I want to be a DJ. Yeah. Man, I used 2:32:23.360 --> 2:32:26.160 to stand outside the motherfucker's just listening to the records 2:32:26.200 --> 2:32:28.600 he might play because I was too early to get in, 2:32:29.040 --> 2:32:31.200 and I just see if I could catch up. He 2:32:31.480 --> 2:32:34.840 looked up two besides her, um, all of the early DJs, 2:32:34.879 --> 2:32:40.359 because there were different genres of DJs, so uh, you know, Hollywood, 2:32:40.400 --> 2:32:45.160 of course was the disco, not not so much disco 2:32:45.520 --> 2:32:47.520 when you think in a sense of disco, like this 2:32:47.680 --> 2:32:52.320 kind of disco. Now, he wasn't that kind of He 2:32:52.440 --> 2:32:55.040 was the growing in sexy, the grown is sexy, R 2:32:55.120 --> 2:32:58.199 and B suit tided you know what I mean, flash shoes, 2:32:58.320 --> 2:33:01.640 you know what I mean. I mean our money then 2:33:03.560 --> 2:33:07.640 for well, he sold a lot of nicols. Well exactly 2:33:07.920 --> 2:33:10.440 well for us. Copla Rock was the first hip hop 2:33:10.720 --> 2:33:14.400 m C because he was the first man on the 2:33:14.520 --> 2:33:18.400 microphone to stand next to a DJ playing hip hop music. 2:33:19.120 --> 2:33:22.360 You understand what I'm saying now, hip hop Copla rock 2:33:22.520 --> 2:33:25.520 was more in the in the vein of a like 2:33:25.680 --> 2:33:29.200 a last poets Okay you're not the last poet was 2:33:29.800 --> 2:33:34.240 and and they they they didn't wrap so much as 2:33:34.320 --> 2:33:37.720 they rhyme, or they didn't rhyme so much as they wrapped, 2:33:38.120 --> 2:33:42.440 you know what I mean. Oh okay? And um that 2:33:42.640 --> 2:33:44.880 was that was Copland rocks vibe, you know what I mean. 2:33:45.200 --> 2:33:49.000 But that eventually evolved. See early people on the mic 2:33:49.160 --> 2:33:53.440 was DJ is just making announcements. I'm DJ. I'm like, yo, 2:33:53.720 --> 2:33:55.400 this and this and that next week we're gonna be 2:33:55.480 --> 2:33:58.400 at the p L will we rock? Well, we want 2:33:58.440 --> 2:34:00.720 to see your face in the place, trying to say 2:34:01.600 --> 2:34:03.680 right right right, just just a little even a little 2:34:03.680 --> 2:34:08.560 stick ship. And then police athletically, yes, namely the one 2:34:09.200 --> 2:34:12.320 thirsty and Webster in the Bronx got them. Um. But 2:34:12.760 --> 2:34:18.200 these little, these little quips and these little things eventually 2:34:18.320 --> 2:34:22.640 became versus and they eventually no lines. They became lines, 2:34:22.680 --> 2:34:24.640 and then it became like punch lines, and then it 2:34:24.680 --> 2:34:28.120 became verse bars and they became versus and then they 2:34:28.320 --> 2:34:31.720 evolved into rap. As we know it today, but they 2:34:31.840 --> 2:34:35.280 all come from somebody in the put saying, Yo, my 2:34:35.400 --> 2:34:38.080 man rust is in the house. He cooling out, without 2:34:38.120 --> 2:34:42.720 a doubt, rocked the house. Rap came from ship like that, 2:34:43.720 --> 2:34:47.880 you know, I mean, and TV commercials let me drop 2:34:47.920 --> 2:34:51.080 a real jewel on you, and nobody, nobody that come 2:34:51.160 --> 2:34:56.080 on this fucking show was gonna say this. Okay. The 2:34:56.240 --> 2:35:00.480 early one of the earliest inspirations for rhyming m c 2:35:00.680 --> 2:35:06.720 and came from a car commercial. Okay, a Great Bear commercial. 2:35:07.640 --> 2:35:10.680 Great Bear, you know when you get your car fixed? 2:35:11.520 --> 2:35:14.400 Great Bear? All right, y'all, niggas. It's something different now, 2:35:14.520 --> 2:35:20.600 but back then there was the It was this car 2:35:20.720 --> 2:35:25.720 company called not a car company but repair Fly fix 2:35:25.800 --> 2:35:28.200 your car was called Great Bear, and they had this 2:35:28.360 --> 2:35:32.320 commercial they used to come on right and it used 2:35:32.320 --> 2:35:36.440 to go like this. You're driving down the highway and 2:35:36.520 --> 2:35:40.160 the dead and night, and up ahead there's a terrible site. 2:35:40.320 --> 2:35:43.280 Then you hit the brakes. They're not all there. You 2:35:43.440 --> 2:35:47.040 missed this one, but only ahead to say at the prayer, 2:35:47.360 --> 2:35:50.000 just take your brakes and your turn around, and then 2:35:50.080 --> 2:35:53.240 you look a great Bear. And that was the original 2:35:53.560 --> 2:35:57.920 theme for how nigga starting rapping that Great Bear commercial. 2:35:58.160 --> 2:36:01.480 If you listen to most people wrapping days, they sound 2:36:01.560 --> 2:36:05.960 the same Catus the death, and that, this, this and that. 2:36:06.240 --> 2:36:12.880 I don't know to this day, something ad guy probably, 2:36:13.440 --> 2:36:16.520 But I mean, you can trace rap and and all 2:36:16.600 --> 2:36:18.600 the elements of hip hop, you can trace them all 2:36:18.760 --> 2:36:21.080 back to other things and things that have been done 2:36:21.520 --> 2:36:25.400 long before us, long before us. But you can't say 2:36:25.720 --> 2:36:28.920 I got this dance from the Nicolas Brothers when I 2:36:29.080 --> 2:36:34.320 never seen the motherfucking Nicolas Brothers. This is that energy 2:36:34.440 --> 2:36:39.800 that was transported to me in my generation, just having 2:36:39.879 --> 2:36:43.440 to be the same energy from that generation. Jesus, I'm 2:36:43.480 --> 2:36:50.520 taking sorry you like a shot. Russell Petus, I'm down 2:36:50.600 --> 2:36:56.880 for that, alright, for your boys, we agree for you. 2:36:57.000 --> 2:36:59.760 Grandma as a cat. Holy sh it, I ain't gonna lie. 2:37:01.120 --> 2:37:06.800 I said, I said this earlier. I used to be 2:37:06.959 --> 2:37:10.920 people Google for me, now google for myself. This was 2:37:11.000 --> 2:37:14.879 the most funnest I've ever researched. People rechurch and somebody, 2:37:14.959 --> 2:37:20.080 because that's just your history just kept going, and they 2:37:20.160 --> 2:37:27.480 just kept going. And I look at rap like with superheroes, 2:37:28.120 --> 2:37:31.000 like people who've been through rap. And I'm sorry for 2:37:31.040 --> 2:37:33.480 anybody in the military. I'm sorry for anybody, but I 2:37:33.560 --> 2:37:36.720 look like like that. It's like you've been through the military. 2:37:37.200 --> 2:37:38.920 We went through the war, and now we're just gonna 2:37:38.959 --> 2:37:42.680 be regular people, civilians. We've got to be civilians, and 2:37:42.760 --> 2:37:45.520 none of us know how to be a civilian because 2:37:45.560 --> 2:37:54.840 you're right, that's what made you and your first album 2:37:54.840 --> 2:37:59.000 was the World Report Imagine. So he's literally he's not 2:37:59.200 --> 2:38:02.800 just that made you know that that that that puts 2:38:02.840 --> 2:38:08.760 you in that position. But the whole thing, the whole 2:38:08.840 --> 2:38:14.160 culture was built on our need for self expression. You know, 2:38:14.240 --> 2:38:17.280 when hip hop started, the Bronx was fucked up. You know, 2:38:17.400 --> 2:38:19.440 the city at the large was sucked up, but it 2:38:19.520 --> 2:38:23.360 really concentrated because when you know the Cross Bronx Expressway 2:38:23.840 --> 2:38:26.400 was was designed and built, that ship ran right through 2:38:26.440 --> 2:38:29.320 the fucking Bronx and tore a hole through the whole 2:38:29.400 --> 2:38:31.879 Bronx and the whole community that exists the traffic deal 2:38:31.920 --> 2:38:37.560 to this day and and and displaced people all over 2:38:37.640 --> 2:38:42.519 the to make that ship happen. The conditions that existed 2:38:42.680 --> 2:38:45.480 when hip hop started was the reason why I think 2:38:45.600 --> 2:38:49.080 people um come towards the Bronx as far as hip hop, 2:38:49.160 --> 2:38:51.200 because I know, I know a lot of people from 2:38:51.320 --> 2:38:54.320 Queens don't. And I'm talking about cats. I know people 2:38:54.360 --> 2:38:57.160 like to just go twins and the guys that used 2:38:57.160 --> 2:38:59.840 to play out and re speech back in the day, 2:39:00.040 --> 2:39:02.000 just like well Ship we was doing. We was playing 2:39:02.080 --> 2:39:05.320 music way before cool Hurt. Yes you were. I remember 2:39:05.360 --> 2:39:07.760 as a child my sister lived in Queens and she 2:39:07.840 --> 2:39:10.200 used to take me out there to see Plumber and 2:39:10.320 --> 2:39:14.600 my Boya and DJs like that. But nobody wasn't cutting 2:39:14.680 --> 2:39:18.360 up no records. If you're looking at anybody create out there, 2:39:18.440 --> 2:39:20.440 their main record when they play it was love is 2:39:20.520 --> 2:39:25.800 the message that was apache when they called on When 2:39:25.840 --> 2:39:29.120 when hip hop started playing it okay because this wasn't 2:39:29.160 --> 2:39:33.080 records they played on the radio. Hip Hop comes from 2:39:33.160 --> 2:39:35.680 those records that they don't play on the radio, and 2:39:35.840 --> 2:39:38.199 not even the whole record. You just played the beat 2:39:38.840 --> 2:39:42.640 of the record. That's where all the samples from hip 2:39:42.680 --> 2:39:45.200 hop come from. That's where the rhythm of the droll 2:39:46.080 --> 2:39:49.680 drums all that come from those original break beats, you 2:39:49.720 --> 2:39:51.320 know what I mean. And the thing that makes it 2:39:51.480 --> 2:39:55.000 hip hop is we're not playing the whole record throughout, 2:39:55.400 --> 2:39:57.800 like at least two three hours this party, all you 2:39:58.000 --> 2:40:04.560 hearing is sections of records. The beginning records, not even 2:40:04.600 --> 2:40:08.879 the beginning of creating a record, unto itself. The Break. 2:40:09.000 --> 2:40:13.800 The Break itself created new music today. Let people listen 2:40:13.879 --> 2:40:16.440 to today. Let me ask you this question. Right, the 2:40:16.600 --> 2:40:20.920 message right came out men like real street ship. But 2:40:21.000 --> 2:40:30.400 then the message get remaked puff daddy, Uh huh yeah 2:40:31.440 --> 2:40:37.120 that part yeah yourself boy, because it was check itself 2:40:37.440 --> 2:40:40.520 your record. So I mean by that you first of 2:40:40.560 --> 2:40:42.960 all falls ice cub concern. You're talking about the nigger 2:40:43.000 --> 2:40:46.440 who made jacking for beats a right, So he jack, 2:40:47.200 --> 2:40:50.400 He's gonna get what he wants. But I mean rightfully, 2:40:50.480 --> 2:40:52.320 so you know what I mean. His first album was 2:40:52.360 --> 2:40:55.040 done by the bomb Squad here in New York. He's 2:40:55.040 --> 2:40:58.800 a better question, public enemy. This is the question I've 2:40:58.800 --> 2:41:02.960 been wanting to ask all that I'm and made a 2:41:03.040 --> 2:41:07.520 record talking about he used to love I love that ship. Alright, 2:41:07.600 --> 2:41:11.680 So let's just just related to that. Right. Hip hop 2:41:11.879 --> 2:41:16.560 was a girl. How did you recognize that girl when 2:41:16.640 --> 2:41:20.320 she went to the West Coast? Well, well, did you 2:41:20.480 --> 2:41:23.640 even recognize her? Well, you see how pussy mothers saying 2:41:24.440 --> 2:41:27.960 Christmas she got she got fake titties when she went 2:41:28.000 --> 2:41:32.400 to the west on the West Coast, she got gangster 2:41:34.480 --> 2:41:37.440 and I related, I related, I related to that on 2:41:37.640 --> 2:41:41.520 on so many different levels because it was because somebody's 2:41:41.600 --> 2:41:44.760 actu her h was the first West Coast actu her 2:41:45.360 --> 2:41:50.520 first west It was like what there, Uh no, I 2:41:50.640 --> 2:41:53.840 can't say I iced tea over here? How many world 2:41:53.879 --> 2:41:57.360 class recordly No, it was like like Arabian Prince ye 2:41:59.560 --> 2:42:03.240 love from Egyptian Lover. Yeah, those guys that boom eventually 2:42:04.200 --> 2:42:10.480 boom boom boom and the beat go boomooll not no, no, no, 2:42:11.120 --> 2:42:15.280 don't don't put that ship on that they looked. It 2:42:15.480 --> 2:42:18.640 was like ready for the world. It was some funk 2:42:18.720 --> 2:42:24.160 the five ship over We not this in the West 2:42:24.200 --> 2:42:29.280 Coast either. Never that never that never that. That's my 2:42:29.600 --> 2:42:32.720 that's my second home. Okay, that's the only place other 2:42:32.760 --> 2:42:36.760 place I had a residence, Okay. And out there, I 2:42:36.840 --> 2:42:39.000 mean we got mad love. But I learned a lot. 2:42:39.280 --> 2:42:42.000 I learned a lot. And nice T was the first 2:42:42.520 --> 2:42:45.320 m C from the West Coast that I met and 2:42:45.680 --> 2:42:51.200 gravitated towards because they had the club call radio Radio Trial. Yeah, 2:42:51.280 --> 2:42:57.600 out there all this stick you don't play, and in 2:42:57.800 --> 2:43:00.600 here say let's take a research like you do. And 2:43:00.879 --> 2:43:05.640 he's a fucking elephant. He retains all that ship um. 2:43:05.879 --> 2:43:08.000 So yeah, the radio trig. So that's when I first 2:43:08.080 --> 2:43:12.480 met Ice and just took out the same camp. All right, 2:43:12.600 --> 2:43:19.320 that's damn, that's beautiful. Him on it. We gotta go 2:43:19.760 --> 2:43:21.480 come on yeah yeah, come on, sorry, give it some stuff. 2:43:21.920 --> 2:43:26.280 So yeah, yeah, I can't stop these guys. These just 2:43:26.360 --> 2:43:29.080 keep talking. We don't give he was he was in 2:43:29.120 --> 2:43:33.200 a Megatron radio truck. So that's when I first met 2:43:33.400 --> 2:43:37.400 Iced Tea and six in the morning. Islam from from 2:43:37.440 --> 2:43:42.960 the Nation Sunva okay Um had relocated out there to 2:43:43.040 --> 2:43:45.200 the West coast to l A and he became Ice 2:43:45.280 --> 2:43:50.560 teas producer. So I met Ice when I did the 2:43:50.680 --> 2:43:54.200 radio tron out there and we connected and I I 2:43:54.320 --> 2:43:57.560 was talking to him. He was building, and I told 2:43:57.640 --> 2:44:01.280 him in the building, not my brother, how you doing 2:44:04.080 --> 2:44:09.240 you man? He missed it. You brought me the build peters. 2:44:09.520 --> 2:44:11.720 I was like, yea, get continued. You're talking about um, 2:44:12.360 --> 2:44:15.920 it's just the tip, come on, come on. So so 2:44:16.080 --> 2:44:18.080 so me and I was building, so he was like, yo, 2:44:18.160 --> 2:44:20.480 I want to do this hip hop ship man, but 2:44:23.000 --> 2:44:24.840 I need a group. Man, I want to get a group. 2:44:24.920 --> 2:44:27.879 I was like, yo, can you write rhymes? By yourself? 2:44:28.120 --> 2:44:30.080 Can you write your own rhymes? People like yeah, I said, 2:44:30.120 --> 2:44:32.160 and you don't need a group. I mean, I have 2:44:32.280 --> 2:44:34.520 to just stay by yourself. You go solo, do your 2:44:34.560 --> 2:44:37.080 own thing. I said, you had this whole West Coast 2:44:37.080 --> 2:44:41.760 s on a lot by yourself. Ask him to tell 2:44:41.800 --> 2:44:43.360 you to this day. That's why he called me one 2:44:43.400 --> 2:44:45.240 of his mentors. You know what I mean what the 2:44:45.320 --> 2:44:46.680 ill ship is. And I only think a lot of 2:44:46.720 --> 2:44:48.640 people know this is that I iced tea from New Jersey. 2:44:51.080 --> 2:44:54.040 I feel like she stopped. He was born born in 2:44:54.080 --> 2:44:58.640 New Jersey. That because but he was like in his 2:44:58.680 --> 2:45:01.480 twenties when he moved to the West coas post. That's 2:45:01.480 --> 2:45:03.720 a grown ass man. He's a grown ass man. He's 2:45:03.720 --> 2:45:08.840 a New Jersey kid. Originally, I'd just like to blow 2:45:08.879 --> 2:45:13.920 your mind a little bit. He's what he's about. I'm 2:45:13.920 --> 2:45:20.120 about from New Jersey, moved to the West Coast in 2:45:20.160 --> 2:45:23.280 the early eighties and then picked up hip hop from there. 2:45:24.000 --> 2:45:27.640 Yeah after that, that's like saying he's the first Tupac, 2:45:27.920 --> 2:45:32.640 because Tupac was actually really rarely New York from New 2:45:32.760 --> 2:45:35.320 York and then didn't want them all? Did he move 2:45:36.000 --> 2:45:41.280 to Oakland, Oakland and Dennis. She telling me Iced Tea 2:45:41.360 --> 2:45:44.320 is the same thing's my friend. I don't even want 2:45:44.320 --> 2:45:47.560 to hit him right now, they say, iced Tea move 2:45:47.680 --> 2:45:50.400 to West Coast in the early eighties from New Jersey 2:45:50.480 --> 2:45:55.040 and his Yeah, in his twenties, I mean finished the 2:45:55.040 --> 2:45:59.600 summer from Brick City there. Yeah, from New York, right 2:45:59.680 --> 2:46:02.360 from work somewhere around after fourteen. Wherever you grow up out, 2:46:02.360 --> 2:46:06.000 that's where you're fucking fun. Yeah, he didn't. When you reclaiming, 2:46:06.000 --> 2:46:07.280 I used to see right now, he when he went 2:46:07.360 --> 2:46:09.800 to the military, and then he moved to the West Coast. Ship. 2:46:11.959 --> 2:46:14.560 This is his trip, we reclaimed. That's why he could 2:46:14.560 --> 2:46:21.920 do to Jackson. Yes, yes, yes, yes, motherfucking um oh 2:46:22.000 --> 2:46:27.760 my man, Morgan Freeman and his business. But did you 2:46:27.800 --> 2:46:29.879 get one of the good blunts? Yeah, I got one 2:46:29.879 --> 2:46:33.160 of you. Let me take something. Let me let me 2:46:33.200 --> 2:46:35.000 just say. Is that the Fermian moment. Let just say something, 2:46:35.520 --> 2:46:37.120 give it right back to you real quickly. I don't 2:46:37.160 --> 2:46:39.520 out with Dave Chappelle on land On. One day I 2:46:39.600 --> 2:46:43.040 saw you and I fucking had the mid weed on me. 2:46:43.320 --> 2:46:46.520 I was so like, I landed my boy said, I 2:46:46.600 --> 2:46:48.440 got I got some weed. I was like, all right, 2:46:48.480 --> 2:46:50.560 cool funk guys went straight. St Me just brought my 2:46:50.680 --> 2:46:53.000 bags down. Went we went straight mister Me and the 2:46:53.040 --> 2:46:56.240 lead boom. I don't know I'm running the Dave Jappelle 2:46:56.959 --> 2:46:59.320 walks in. I'm like, oh ship, and he's like, oh shoot. 2:46:59.320 --> 2:47:01.560 I was like, you got passed the blood days passed, Blunt, 2:47:01.600 --> 2:47:03.800 the days bro. I'm looking. He walks away into Blow. 2:47:03.840 --> 2:47:07.520 I'm like, shit, if this motherfucker realizes I just handed 2:47:07.560 --> 2:47:11.080 him up men and blunt. Okay, it's been sucking with 2:47:11.160 --> 2:47:15.640 me for Lawrence figured out this. I figured out this 2:47:15.720 --> 2:47:18.520 thing is here. This whole weekend. I had my boy 2:47:18.680 --> 2:47:23.400 Larrence come over. We rove the ships into the bomb skinning. Hey, Dan, 2:47:23.480 --> 2:47:26.520 I made sure ay day the v I p room with. 2:47:29.040 --> 2:47:34.280 I don't let me let me big up to quality. 2:47:34.360 --> 2:47:36.640 The first day and all the other days, my brother 2:47:36.760 --> 2:47:39.400 j Rob we came through and make sure we got through. 2:47:39.440 --> 2:47:42.200 But let me tell you something. I smoked that room out. 2:47:42.320 --> 2:47:44.600 I mean sure, I know you know what. I came 2:47:44.720 --> 2:47:46.440 with the bat and I see now you I mean 2:47:46.480 --> 2:47:48.279 you got the I mean you got the call Blode. 2:47:48.320 --> 2:47:52.600 You can go anywhere you like to goddamnit you want. 2:47:52.720 --> 2:47:54.280 I feel like you're taking another shot. I just feel 2:47:54.280 --> 2:47:59.640 like it. Any boys got me, They're gonna get me. 2:48:00.080 --> 2:48:03.000 Did you just call him the Heney Boys? That god? 2:48:03.240 --> 2:48:13.879 Oh my god. Let people go if you drink. Yeah, yeah, 2:48:13.879 --> 2:48:17.960 my niggas, don't worry. I beat my man Porto Rico, 2:48:18.680 --> 2:48:22.800 Big Game, the Man k Beat, Why black Man and 2:48:22.920 --> 2:48:31.160 my man Big tone noise. You're taking a shot with us. Yeah, 2:48:31.200 --> 2:48:35.520 I'm taking the shot. Okay. You want what you want? Okay, yeah, yeah, 2:48:35.720 --> 2:48:37.640 put yourself a shot first though, hold on, hold on, 2:48:37.680 --> 2:48:40.920 ye don't gonna take the shot of this. You can't 2:48:40.959 --> 2:48:45.440 get ready, baby, I'm gonna try this now. Listen. I 2:48:45.480 --> 2:48:47.640 don't gonna be all right whatever, nigga, how many times 2:48:47.640 --> 2:48:50.560 I'm gonna be on drink? Come on anything you want 2:48:50.560 --> 2:48:52.400 to ask me any time you want? You, bro, come 2:48:52.440 --> 2:48:55.000 on here, get a shot. Got damn man boy, we 2:48:55.200 --> 2:48:56.879 got a chair right now, but come get the shots. 2:48:56.920 --> 2:48:59.640 You help me to let you. That's okay. We love you. 2:49:00.000 --> 2:49:03.320 Come on, come on, come on, came listen. I missed 2:49:03.360 --> 2:49:05.360 the more I miss you, Bro. I think about it 2:49:05.480 --> 2:49:07.800 all the time. I sa you was here. Okay, yeah, 2:49:07.840 --> 2:49:10.840 I can't do I thank you. Come through ready enough? Phil, 2:49:11.520 --> 2:49:13.480 you know. That's a great question. Say your team to 2:49:13.560 --> 2:49:17.640 come in to take the drink over a little heny boys, 2:49:18.160 --> 2:49:22.880 let's go boys, henymen heny min min not me the 2:49:22.920 --> 2:49:30.360 mom trying to amen, drink man. Where's that for? Pollo? Me? Okay, Amen, 2:49:30.800 --> 2:49:35.080 that's that's new name. Haney man, God damn it man, 2:49:36.440 --> 2:49:41.040 love love love love. Come on, come on, brothers, brottle 2:49:41.200 --> 2:49:45.000 little little great to me, everybody, a little fellers, alright 2:49:45.160 --> 2:49:48.160 with the mean bucket on. I'm watching you the mean 2:49:48.200 --> 2:49:51.800 by queen ship though, right did the bucket is us? 2:49:52.320 --> 2:49:56.240 Just be clear? So little man, I don't Master motherfucking 2:49:56.320 --> 2:50:00.120 cast you, thank you for doing what you do. You 2:50:00.280 --> 2:50:03.720 did and continue to do. Were always gonna salute, We're 2:50:03.720 --> 2:50:06.800 always gonna respect you, and we love you. Brother. Thank 2:50:06.840 --> 2:50:14.280 you right here. So I got one more question. We're 2:50:14.280 --> 2:50:16.720 gonna take a picture of the drop. Oh that should 2:50:16.720 --> 2:50:21.880 this smooth? It's not not smooth. I was a little hot, 2:50:22.400 --> 2:50:24.800 my man says. We're trying to get this Japanese whiskey 2:50:24.879 --> 2:50:30.240 for three years, drink spirits. That's got Japanese whiskey, baby, 2:50:31.240 --> 2:50:40.680 all right, I mean bank hank right the ship. So 2:50:40.840 --> 2:50:45.039 what's next, grand master cast So what's next for you man, 2:50:45.360 --> 2:50:48.600 Um what we're doing. I don't know what I did. 2:50:49.080 --> 2:50:51.480 And like I said, we were talking about earlier about reinvention. 2:50:52.000 --> 2:50:54.800 I mean, I started out as DJ Casting over Fly, 2:50:55.800 --> 2:50:59.119 d j MC casting over Fly to Grandmaster Casting over 2:50:59.280 --> 2:51:03.039 Fly to Grandmaster Cass. I shortened my name from Castanova 2:51:03.080 --> 2:51:06.440 Fly because Grandmaster Flash had a security crew called the 2:51:06.560 --> 2:51:11.600 Castanova's who were gangsters, and I didn't like me being 2:51:11.680 --> 2:51:15.879 Castanova Fly, like I was affiliated with them, so anything 2:51:15.959 --> 2:51:18.760 could have happened to me behind some ship they did, 2:51:19.040 --> 2:51:22.400 you know what I mean, And they like not foul, 2:51:22.520 --> 2:51:24.960 but they were security. But there was the niggers in 2:51:25.000 --> 2:51:27.280 the streets, you know, black spades, you know what I mean? 2:51:27.360 --> 2:51:29.280 And all that I mean, I always want to know. 2:51:29.440 --> 2:51:34.320 So I just shortened my name the cast from casting 2:51:34.360 --> 2:51:36.360 over Fly. That's why my name is cast in the 2:51:36.440 --> 2:51:41.040 first place. Um, and then uh from different groups, I 2:51:41.120 --> 2:51:43.720 mean the crews and guys leaving and going to other 2:51:43.800 --> 2:51:46.240 places and me and having to start over. First I 2:51:46.320 --> 2:51:49.080 had the casting over Flying Disco whis and then my 2:51:49.160 --> 2:51:51.360 man Whiz got knocked and went to jail. Then I 2:51:51.440 --> 2:51:54.920 had the recruit of it. Yeah, yeah, Puerto Rican and 2:51:55.040 --> 2:52:05.320 Puerto Rican have Cuman. I told you. I'm I'm telling 2:52:05.360 --> 2:52:12.240 you I have so. I mean from the Mighty Force 2:52:12.320 --> 2:52:15.280 to the Force five to the Notorious two when it 2:52:15.360 --> 2:52:17.960 was just me and J D L. Until they recruited 2:52:18.000 --> 2:52:20.400 me to the Cold Crush, and you know, until after 2:52:20.480 --> 2:52:23.160 the Cold Crush, you know what I mean. I've had 2:52:23.200 --> 2:52:27.440 to keep going and do different things. Now this day, man, 2:52:27.480 --> 2:52:32.440 I'm doing everything from hip hop sight seeing tours. I've 2:52:32.480 --> 2:52:38.000 been doing that for eighteen years. About my Hush Hush 2:52:38.080 --> 2:52:40.440 hip hop site seeing tours. I take people from all 2:52:40.480 --> 2:52:43.240 around the world on the bus in Midtown Manhattan and 2:52:43.440 --> 2:52:49.000 I take him uptown to the wh about that I 2:52:49.120 --> 2:52:52.080 showed hi where hip hop happened, Like like, who do 2:52:52.160 --> 2:53:01.680 you want Mr Lead to do that? I'll take you 2:53:01.760 --> 2:53:18.320 to fift Yeah. I've been doing that for eighteen years. Okay. 2:53:19.040 --> 2:53:23.960 So I also host the UH. It was formerly the 2:53:24.040 --> 2:53:26.880 Tools of War summer Park jams up in Coltona Park, 2:53:27.720 --> 2:53:31.200 all in the parks around u UH New York. UM 2:53:32.200 --> 2:53:34.920 the Tools of War, which was Chris t Z and 2:53:35.040 --> 2:53:40.280 Popmaster Fable UH. They dropped out UM in two thousand 2:53:40.320 --> 2:53:42.760 and eighteen. I took over in two thousand and nineteen. 2:53:43.000 --> 2:53:46.280 So I've been doing that since then. We had a 2:53:46.320 --> 2:53:48.920 break with COVID and now we're back. So every year, 2:53:49.400 --> 2:53:52.119 I got like three to four, well three to five 2:53:52.320 --> 2:53:57.039 thousand people out in the park every every Thursday, Rocket July, 2:53:57.440 --> 2:54:00.640 Rocket exactly. And we got I mean, d scratch, I 2:54:00.720 --> 2:54:02.760 got cash money out there, I got I got real 2:54:02.879 --> 2:54:06.200 figures out there. But we need to go up. And 2:54:06.280 --> 2:54:11.400 that's help started we got. I'm trying. I'm trying to 2:54:11.440 --> 2:54:13.040 fill you in. I'm trying to let you know what's 2:54:13.040 --> 2:54:15.920 going on my organization, Windows of Hip Hop. I mean, 2:54:16.000 --> 2:54:18.560 we're making magic in the community. We are building the 2:54:18.680 --> 2:54:22.680 studio in in in the Bronx Elementary School see US 2:54:22.720 --> 2:54:26.200 fifty five. We adopted the school and they adopted US 2:54:26.720 --> 2:54:29.880 so H with the help of the borough president and 2:54:30.040 --> 2:54:34.400 our councilwoman Vanessa Gibson. You know, we donated funds to 2:54:34.480 --> 2:54:37.840 the school and we're playing active roles and you know, 2:54:37.920 --> 2:54:42.120 and the kids development. We got hip hop curriculums that 2:54:42.240 --> 2:54:47.480 we've written and put forward and implemented in these in 2:54:47.560 --> 2:54:50.920 these projects that we're implemented in the schools, and I'm 2:54:51.160 --> 2:54:53.640 I'm more excited about that than anything else that we're 2:54:53.680 --> 2:54:59.200 doing out there. Right now. Um I, uh, I've just 2:54:59.320 --> 2:55:04.040 been a uh appointed the official DJ for Coolmo d 2:55:05.000 --> 2:55:06.720 now because I've been on tour with him for the 2:55:06.840 --> 2:55:09.240 last few years. You know, we did a joint together 2:55:09.320 --> 2:55:15.160 called Notice and uh so I'm on the row with him. 2:55:15.760 --> 2:55:18.360 Um Me and Shan Rock was gonna start Rock the 2:55:18.400 --> 2:55:22.240 Bell's radio. We're gonna have a show, uh three hours 2:55:22.840 --> 2:55:26.680 Monday through Friday on Rock the Bell. So that's a 2:55:26.760 --> 2:55:32.000 platform that, uh, I think I was made for. I've 2:55:32.000 --> 2:55:34.440 been following you, you know what I mean. And I 2:55:35.200 --> 2:55:36.920 and even though and even though I've been doing this 2:55:37.040 --> 2:55:39.320 for a long time, I haven't been doing it in 2:55:39.440 --> 2:55:44.520 this format. And I understand that there's different dynamics to entertainment. 2:55:45.120 --> 2:55:49.520 And you gotta recognize that, you know this radio nigger, 2:55:49.600 --> 2:55:53.560 this ain't the stage, this ain't the studio. I mean, 2:55:53.600 --> 2:55:56.240 this is something else. So I definitely been checking you 2:55:56.280 --> 2:55:58.880 know you. I mean, how y'all do your things? How 2:55:58.959 --> 2:56:02.199 ship rocket ship like that? So appreciate you and hope, 2:56:02.240 --> 2:56:04.480 you know, hopefully I do half as well. Not listen, 2:56:04.680 --> 2:56:06.840 let me just tell you something, man, you got your back. 2:56:06.920 --> 2:56:09.320 This is your platform, this is your format. Anytime you 2:56:09.360 --> 2:56:11.080 want to come on here, and even if you want 2:56:11.080 --> 2:56:13.720 to pick your toes on here, it's okay. You don't 2:56:14.240 --> 2:56:19.279 want to FaceTime FaceTime you come, you come to Miami. 2:56:19.400 --> 2:56:21.560 Anytime you come to Miami, you want to be here 2:56:22.200 --> 2:56:25.000 just to talk about I don't give a fuck if 2:56:25.000 --> 2:56:27.000 you want to talk about the new gazelles you got. 2:56:28.920 --> 2:56:33.160 And this is what we all. This platform is yours. 2:56:34.040 --> 2:56:36.440 We made it for you, We made it for people 2:56:36.800 --> 2:56:39.480 of your stature. And if you ever want to talk 2:56:39.560 --> 2:56:42.840 to the media, don't go to the media. Gotta go 2:56:43.000 --> 2:56:46.040 to your homies. You go to your homies. Your homies 2:56:46.080 --> 2:56:47.720 got your back. It's gonna let you do what the 2:56:47.840 --> 2:56:50.360 funk you want to do. We love you, we respect you. 2:56:50.640 --> 2:56:53.040 You gotta take a couple of pictures, Let's take some drops, 2:56:53.320 --> 2:56:55.600 and you gotta wrap this to funk up. But listen, 2:56:56.000 --> 2:57:00.200 this was fucking pleasure. Oh we was amused, Mattics. You 2:57:00.240 --> 2:57:03.879 know we we we're real hip hop fans. I mean, 2:57:03.959 --> 2:57:07.080 I don't I know he was excited, but I couldn't 2:57:07.120 --> 2:57:10.760 tell because you know, I didn't see you until just now, 2:57:10.959 --> 2:57:13.880 until we got here, you know what I mean. And 2:57:14.240 --> 2:57:16.879 I don't want to blow you up, but I believe 2:57:17.000 --> 2:57:19.440 that I am in a position that I could do 2:57:19.600 --> 2:57:26.200 this no repercussions. Okay, we Russ hooked us up when 2:57:26.280 --> 2:57:28.520 once Rush did drake shop, Like, yo, I want to 2:57:28.680 --> 2:57:31.080 They've been they've been asking me. You know, you know, 2:57:31.240 --> 2:57:34.280 I been calling me, but I haven't got no feedback. 2:57:34.320 --> 2:57:38.440 And he was like, I said, ef I e F 2:57:38.800 --> 2:57:44.920 e FN. I'm sorry, alright, really nothing really, let's take 2:57:44.920 --> 2:57:47.480 it on this show. Hold on. First of all, First 2:57:47.520 --> 2:57:52.800 of all, I've been calling and then I've been seeing 2:57:52.920 --> 2:57:58.560 things that say, e FN. I tried to together. I 2:57:58.600 --> 2:58:03.440 gotta take Are you gonna do whiskey, let's go, let's 2:58:03.440 --> 2:58:12.760 do mama, let's go to drink an there's enough of you. 2:58:12.800 --> 2:58:15.480 One more hit me like you hit yourself. Mommm. I'm 2:58:15.520 --> 2:58:17.880 gonna light on it because that. Don't worry about it. Bro, 2:58:17.959 --> 2:58:20.600 the spirits aren't here. You need to shake that bottle up. 2:58:20.640 --> 2:58:23.080 It's got sentiment the bottle. That's what at the end, 2:58:23.280 --> 2:58:26.520 I get really into things. So listen, are you familiar? 2:58:26.720 --> 2:58:28.920 You want ice? No white? Now, I'm good. I'm good. 2:58:29.120 --> 2:58:31.000 If you're gonna go straight, I'm gonna straight. I'm gonna straight. 2:58:31.000 --> 2:58:34.640 I'm gonna straight. All right, bo bro, boom boom. All 2:58:34.720 --> 2:58:36.920 your pain be champagne. All right, let me get you 2:58:36.920 --> 2:58:43.840 some champagne. Got that, I got the pin. It's sweeter 2:58:43.920 --> 2:58:45.920 as it gets thicker. You all want to salute by 2:58:45.959 --> 2:58:52.920 any boys that came down and see boy, well gotta 2:58:52.959 --> 2:58:58.920 eat this shot. Not because they literally they literally sell 2:58:59.000 --> 2:59:01.120 us down. But come on, listen, even go, but let's 2:59:01.160 --> 2:59:07.800 take Thanks for joining us for another episode of Drink Champs, 2:59:07.879 --> 2:59:10.240 hosted by Yours truly, d J e f N and 2:59:10.440 --> 2:59:12.480 n O r E. Please make sure to follow us 2:59:12.520 --> 2:59:15.120 on all our socials. Let's add Drink Champs across all 2:59:15.200 --> 2:59:19.760 platforms at the Real Noriegan I g at Noriega on Twitter, 2:59:20.240 --> 2:59:23.160 mine is at Who's Crazy on I g at d 2:59:23.320 --> 2:59:25.920 J e f N on Twitter, and most importantly, stay 2:59:25.959 --> 2:59:28.959 up to date with the latest releases, news and merch 2:59:29.160 --> 2:59:36.480 by going to drink Champs dot com. For more podcasts 2:59:36.520 --> 2:59:40.720 from my Heart Radio, visit the iHeart Radio app, Apple podcast, 2:59:40.959 --> 2:59:42.840 or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.