1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: Welcome to Drink Champs, the production of The Black Effect 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: and I Heart Radio and his drinks as motherfucking Podcast Mazon. 3 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: He's a legendary queen's rapper. He's agree, it's your boy 4 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: in o R. He's a Miami hip hop pioneer up 5 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,479 Speaker 1: his dj e FN. Together they drink it up with 6 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: some of the biggest players in the most professional, unprofessional 7 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:36,559 Speaker 1: podcast and yet number one source for drunk fast drinks 8 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: motherfucking is New year' z. That's time for Drink Champs. 9 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:50,240 Speaker 1: Drink up mother Mother. Would it could be? Hopefully? Would 10 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 1: it should be? This is your point in a what 11 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 1: up is d j e F and his drinks mother amazing? 12 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: And I'm gonna tell you like this. When me and 13 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:04,960 Speaker 1: this man said the right and we started this show, 14 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: we said, there's other outlets for the new artists. There's 15 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: other ways this radio, there's other ways for the new artists. 16 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: We wanted to show love and respect to people that 17 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 1: came before us, some people that came on the side 18 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: of us, and some people that came behind us. But 19 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: today's episode Liz super super super special. We've had legends, 20 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: but we we this is this is uh a new 21 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: word that I've made up yesterday. It's a more legend. 22 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: He's like an immortal legend that from the first hip 23 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 1: hop record that was a commercially released bit off of him, 24 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: they stole his boss. This man has been around relentless. 25 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: He's been there when hip hop has what was there 26 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: and he had control over he had a pulse in 27 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: the game. It wasn't just like he was around just 28 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 1: just just being there. No, he had his own. This 29 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 1: man is a legend. He's still here. He deserves his flowers, 30 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 1: he deserves some kanyak, and we're gonna have fun if 31 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 1: you're gonna get into his business. This is what I 32 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:25,679 Speaker 1: like to call a super legend. In case you don't 33 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 1: understand or don't know what the fun is going on 34 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:37,239 Speaker 1: right now, we have Grandmaster motherfucker cast now now me 35 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: doing my research right to tell you the truth. I've 36 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 1: been doing this with almost six years. Year we're going 37 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 1: on our six years. I'm not trying to gas you up. 38 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 1: This was the funniest research I've ever done because everything 39 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 1: that I researched from you and led me to something 40 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: else and then let me just and this is the 41 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: reason why I like I would if I ever got 42 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: a chance to like speak to you on the artist, 43 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: I would tell them it's good to look go pay 44 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: the way, it's good to go look at that. You know. 45 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: So what you yo? Your history is so rich, it's 46 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: so like. But one of the one of the illest 47 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: things that I did not know was Sugar Hills rapping. 48 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 1: What is it raping? He out right sold your lyrics? Yeah, 49 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 1: pretty much, he said his name in So can you 50 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: describe for the for the people who was not listening 51 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: the first hip hop not not especially the first hip 52 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: hop record, but the first hip hop records was released commercially, 53 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: the first commercial commercial Yeah, the first commercial hip hop Okay, so, 54 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: so what what happens? Because when this record comes out, 55 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 1: which I did not know, the community, Hey this record, 56 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: yeah pretty much like the early hip hop community. You 57 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: know what I mean that, like who is this? Like 58 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: who these because I was back then would come to 59 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: the Bronx or come downtown pretty pretty much all knew 60 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: each other exactly exactly. And for somebody to come out 61 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: of nowhere with three people like nobody knows, like who 62 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 1: the fund is they? You know what I'm saying that, 63 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: I mean, we wasn't out in New Jersey. But then 64 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: no cats was out there doing things out there in Jersey. 65 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 1: Apparently they were, but I attitude here was like who 66 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: the fund is? That kind of kind of put together, 67 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 1: like yo, can your wrapped come here? Come over here, Hey, 68 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: you you too come in here, come with me, that 69 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: type of thing. But I mean, how you got the 70 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: lyrics in the first place? Hank was, he was down 71 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 1: with me. He was managing my group, which was called 72 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 1: the Mighty Force back then, and he uh, he had 73 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: to get a job in New Jersey to pay back 74 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 1: the loan he took out to to like refurbish our 75 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: sound system when he started managing us. He took out 76 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: a loan from his parents for like two stacks, which 77 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 1: was bread back then, and we got bigger speakers, better amplifiers, 78 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 1: all that so we could go out and bust nigga's 79 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:10,720 Speaker 1: ask when we go out to play um. And in 80 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 1: order to pay back alone, he got your job in 81 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:16,359 Speaker 1: a piece of shop in Jersey where Sylvia Robinson happened 82 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: to be looking for people you know, and somebody seeing 83 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:22,479 Speaker 1: him in the pizza shop with a boom box record 84 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 1: for people that don't know sugar records. Sylvia Robson, head 85 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: of Sugar Records. Um, he used to take a boom 86 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: box to work with him anything and be playing my 87 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:35,159 Speaker 1: tapes in the boom box, my practice tapes or tapes 88 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 1: I record for my parties. So he's in there flipping 89 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:40,359 Speaker 1: dough and ship, you know what I mean, making pieces 90 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 1: and just rhyming along with the tape. People coming in 91 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 1: and out of the joint, like figure, Hey, the Skuy 92 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:53,359 Speaker 1: is a rapper. Hey Sky a rapper. When Sylvia started 93 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 1: looking for people, you know, somebody let her that way 94 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: and he came out. You know, it was like, yo, 95 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 1: could you come out? We want you to and instead 96 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:04,039 Speaker 1: of this nigga like well now I don't rap, but 97 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 1: I manage Casting Ova Fly. He just took your ship. 98 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 1: That was that was what he was supposed to do 99 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:11,359 Speaker 1: because I don't rap. Now I don't wrap, but I 100 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 1: managed Casting Ova Fly. He was the manager. But he didn't. 101 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: He just got in the car repeated all the stuff 102 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 1: that was on the tape. They loved it, and it 103 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 1: was like you in and so they put him down 104 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,480 Speaker 1: with you. But the other two was rappers. G and 105 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 1: Mike was part of like a DJ group, you know 106 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: what I mean. Sound on sound Um Sound on Side 107 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: Studio on sound Sound on sound out in Jersey, you 108 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 1: know what I mean. So, yeah, they were I'm not 109 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: gonna say Bronx caliber seeds, but they was rappers, you 110 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And then the podcast and they 111 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 1: acknowledged what had happened. They said, you all are cool now. 112 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:52,359 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we're cool now. I mean we were cool 113 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 1: as far as that. No, I mean we as cool 114 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: as we could beat They can't. They can't. You give 115 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: me no back money. I mean it ain't on up. 116 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 1: So I mean we're cool. They didn't even know what 117 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: they was making money. No, they didn't know that Hank 118 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: was hugged. They was amazed at this nigger. He was like, 119 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: this motherfucker is the truth. He's saying, Ship that none 120 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: of us, you know what I mean. And if you 121 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: look at we're listening to rappers the light because like 122 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 1: hip to the Hippy, and Hank is like, I'm not 123 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: that's me, nigger. I'm saying. He said his name in 124 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: that's the craziest ship. Like when you hear that, what 125 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: are you thinking? I'm thinking, when do you hear that's 126 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 1: the first one last verse? He was the last Verson. 127 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 1: He was, he was the second, the second come on 128 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: Hank singing that song. Check it out. I'm the C 129 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: A S and the O B A and the rest. 130 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 1: That's name his name in the bus, the name back 131 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 1: in the day when you like, like I think love 132 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: Bugg was one of the first people I heard spell 133 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 1: out their name. And when Cats first start rapping, love 134 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: Buck Starsky rest in peace. Okay, when and when Cats 135 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 1: first started rapping, they were just using whatever cadence was 136 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: out whatever, you know what I mean. So actually people 137 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: are saying I'm the l O V E B, not 138 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: realizing nigger. You saying that you somebody else let me included. 139 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: And I was mortified when I found out I was 140 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: saying that I'm somebody else's name. So from then on, 141 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 1: I mean, I fact checked my ship before I say anything. 142 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:34,319 Speaker 1: I'm Nigga, I'm me, I'm not him, I'm not this, 143 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: I'm not that. So that's when I came up with 144 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: I'm the C A S, N O V A and 145 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: the rest of fl y. I spell out my name Nigga. 146 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: So for there cannot be another rhyme like that. There 147 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: is no other casting over flies. So let me ask 148 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: you something well, you more mad at the record the 149 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: records perceived to be whack, or were you mad that 150 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: this guy is actually biting my liberals? Or was it evenly? 151 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: I wasn't mad that the record was perceived to be whacked, 152 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 1: because it wasn't perceived to be whacked. The ship was 153 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: a hit. It was a hit. Now when he gave 154 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: it to me, I had to like the first copies. 155 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 1: When he first got him and brought him to my house, 156 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: it was like, yo, check it out. And I put 157 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: Ship on the turntable. I let him play. I'm like, yeah, 158 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: I oh, ship all right? After a while, like falling asleep. 159 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 1: That ship was like twenty minutes long. Yeah, I mean, 160 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: and the flying shipped on it and and and hey 161 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:32,559 Speaker 1: the ship. I was saying, you know what I mean? 162 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 1: So I wait to hear my rhymes and to be 163 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:40,079 Speaker 1: like all right. But nobody thought it was The hip 164 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 1: hop community thought it was whacked. Us us niggas, who 165 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: I think everybody is whacked, but us, you know what 166 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 1: I mean, type of ship we didn't have. We wasn't 167 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 1: open minded like we are the day everybody was whacked 168 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: to us. So you know, these niggas was way off 169 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: the chark. So when the song came out, the song 170 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 1: was trashed to us, but we knew at large this 171 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: ship was the fucking hit. And this is what set 172 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: the stage for wrapping hip hop music and mainstream America. 173 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:09,079 Speaker 1: I mean, was I was I bit about it? You 174 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: fucking right, I'm supposed to be in the sugar Hill game. 175 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 1: Not that I wanted to be in the sugar Hill okay, 176 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:18,719 Speaker 1: but but had had had that went the way it 177 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 1: was supposed to be, I mean, my life would have 178 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: been different. You don't know what the funk would have been. 179 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. The sugar game would have been 180 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 1: a whole lot fucking dope. Because because back then, I 181 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 1: thought it was interesting to see that you guys really 182 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 1: wasn't recording music. Guys were just making music live facts. 183 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: So so like, how did that transition from from that? 184 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: It was after rappers late, Well, well, we was recording. 185 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: We were recording our parties. So that was the first 186 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 1: recordings of hip hop, those tapes, those cassette tapes. That's 187 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 1: the way hip hop started to spread, first locally, you know, domestically, 188 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: and then overseas because Cats was going in the army, 189 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: Casts was going in the service some stuff and taking 190 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 1: their music with them, taking them because that's take. So 191 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: they'll be in Germany, they'll be in call unquer whenever 192 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:08,959 Speaker 1: they stationed that And that's what exposed that music to 193 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: other people, like what's that you're listening to? Yo? This 194 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 1: is hip hop from back home? This and this and that. 195 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 1: So that was one of the first vehicles that helped 196 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 1: to spread. And then when the rap music came out, 197 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:21,199 Speaker 1: that the records came out, that changed the whole motherfucking 198 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 1: you know, the paradigm of what it was. It was like, 199 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:28,680 Speaker 1: now you gotta do this to be successful. I think 200 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: we were the last group that that performed. Yeah, the 201 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:36,079 Speaker 1: Cold Crush Brothers was the last hip hop group from 202 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 1: the first group that that could survive without a record, 203 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 1: without a hit record, because once that record thing came 204 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: into play, you had to have it to change everything, 205 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 1: what I mean. So we we had we had a 206 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: little longer run than most without a hit record. Now, 207 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: back in the day, that was dressing weird. Yeah, flame 208 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 1: that ship on the furious. They always want to say 209 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 1: everybody copied our status and everybody, yeah, we did so 210 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: because I'm looking I'm looking something like I said, I'm 211 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 1: doing my research. And that was a part of the 212 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 1: time in hip hop where everyone always says that, like, yo, 213 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 1: the original hip hop is dressed like rock stars. And 214 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 1: now like since Little Wayne kind of like took on 215 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 1: that rock star pasana, I kind of see it coming back. 216 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 1: But it's a it's a different pasana. It's you know 217 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: what I mean, Well, it's a different era. You know, 218 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:36,679 Speaker 1: So what a rock star looked like back then, it's 219 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:39,319 Speaker 1: different for what a rock star looks like today. And 220 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:41,439 Speaker 1: it was really punk rock, right what what? What? What? 221 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: What kind of mixed the thing was how it started 222 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 1: For the Furious Five, I want to speak for nobody, 223 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: but with me and my relationship with Malie Matt we 224 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 1: talked all the time and pretty much the whole group. Yeah, 225 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 1: I know the history. And so they once they saw 226 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 1: making records with sugar Hill, they went on the road 227 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:00,679 Speaker 1: with groups like Cameo and the Barcade and you know 228 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 1: what I mean, they were at so they started they 229 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:08,839 Speaker 1: started emulating the look of stars, you know what I mean, 230 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 1: Rick James, and you know what I mean, we we 231 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 1: want to separate ourselves from the way the audience looks. 232 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 1: And I'm believing that wholeheartedly. You know what I mean. 233 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 1: You go to the show, I don't want to see 234 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 1: a nigga looked like me. So they they kind of 235 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:26,199 Speaker 1: initiated that as far as hip hop's can serve. When 236 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: they came off the road, they had niggas making leather 237 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 1: outfits with furs and and tassels hanging off them and 238 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: all kind of ship and it was like us, we 239 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 1: had an excuse for it. We had the record punk 240 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 1: rock rap, so we were trying to merge the two energies. 241 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: The Hi keep kicking on. We need I need to 242 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: drink something we got to do. Say, let's get it, 243 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:01,079 Speaker 1: Let's get it. They take a shot a man, I 244 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 1: got my Japanese minky baby. Listen, and we're gonna set 245 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: it off. Were donna set it off right, all right? 246 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 1: Graham As a cast, we don't know if you know. 247 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 1: Our show is about giving the legends they flowers when 248 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: they alive. We started that. We didn't make up the slogan, 249 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 1: but we started to spread that slogan. And let me 250 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 1: just tell you something in case you don't know, you 251 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: are appreciated. You are legend. I went and search your history. 252 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 1: I damn their chairs came out of my eyes when 253 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 1: I was walking, because I was like, damn, I thought 254 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 1: I knew everything about you, and then I just kept 255 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 1: going and I didn't know the rappers the like ship. 256 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: I definitely that's that's I didn't know that ship I did. 257 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 1: That's the only thing that I do. Everything up. So 258 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna motherfucker's salute you while your motherfucking here. 259 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: Let's where you at, cam. Yeah, this is the first time. 260 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 1: We actually was a second time, Scarfie is the first time. 261 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: But look this is actually flowers, real flowers, and this 262 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 1: is for you. That's right, that's where you got. Damn it, 263 00:14:57,160 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: that's what that's what's from other North. We again, we 264 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: all full ours got that damn je man, it's a 265 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: hard open up. Come on, come on, pizza, get your 266 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: ass here, come on, come on, let me smoking too. Goddamn, 267 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: let's go and talk about Let's go baby. Yeah told 268 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 1: him about that. So, um, what are you talking about? Okay, 269 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: the no, I'm gonna switch it up a little bit 270 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 1: because I barely want to know your opinion on this. 271 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 1: Did you watch versus the other not? Yes? I did. Yes, 272 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 1: I'm so glad that she broke that up. Okay. That 273 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: was the first verses I've ever watched. Okay, Okay, I 274 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 1: don't know what you want to say. What did you 275 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 1: think of it? Listen this nigga Jada kiss put hands 276 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: and see he showed you what a real m C. 277 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: Yeah it's supposed to do. He did with a real 278 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 1: m C. Any nigger who considered himself a real m C. 279 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: That's what he was supposed to do. And that's what 280 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: he did. And j DJ, the DJ, yes, he you 281 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 1: know he if he wasn't on point, that would have 282 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 1: sucked it up. But I mean, Jada just demanded that ship. 283 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 1: And with all that angst going back and forth, all 284 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 1: that get you could anybody could have lost their poise 285 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 1: out there. Jada kept his poise throughout that ship. Okay. 286 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 1: And and they paled in comparison as far as entertainers 287 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: and m c s. Take a shot you Okay. Now 288 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: we're gonna keep going with that because I want to cousin. 289 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: You know, I got to ask, how did you feel 290 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: when you heard them whining off the vocals? So take 291 00:16:52,000 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 1: your shoppers. I'll do a pop up okay with these cats. 292 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 1: Um it's called bugs and bars. You know, we got vendors, 293 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 1: we said we and we have like a rap contest. 294 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 1: The first thing I tell all these young niggas, what's 295 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: that noise like a rabbit? The first thing I tell 296 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 1: these niggas, don't run over your motherfucking music. Every last 297 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: one of them that come up do the same thing 298 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:35,199 Speaker 1: over put their vocal track on and wrap over it. 299 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: That's the most unprofessional ship that you can do, even 300 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 1: when you ain't a professional. So when you are a professional, 301 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:45,719 Speaker 1: you know better than that ship, especially if you got 302 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 1: hit songs. Motherfucker ain't like nobody know your music and 303 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 1: you gotta throw the vocals on the kind of you 304 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:54,879 Speaker 1: know you got hits already. You gotta be able to 305 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 1: rock your ship. And that was the main point that 306 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 1: that killed him because like me, me um, I've been 307 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: the game twenty four years now, right, But I do 308 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 1: have records where I've never collected the instrumental. I only 309 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 1: got two I got sometimes and I don't have the 310 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 1: instrumental to that, and I don't have the instruments until 311 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 1: I'm leaving. But so when I perform them, the beat play, 312 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 1: but when it comes from my vocals, I put the 313 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 1: vocals all the way down, so everyone knows that I'm 314 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 1: rhumbling above this ship, and they noticed I'm you either 315 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,680 Speaker 1: put the vocals down or you bring your vocals up. 316 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:26,920 Speaker 1: You know what I mean. If you're rhyming over your track, 317 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 1: you rhyme over you. You understand what I'm saying that 318 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 1: because everybody got a joints where they ain't got no 319 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: instrumental to ye. It happens to me all the time. 320 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:39,879 Speaker 1: But that's how I learned how to emote and you know, 321 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 1: go over my ship exactly like two niggers and you 322 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:47,919 Speaker 1: know what I mean. So, yeah, that was important. That 323 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 1: was important, and that was a dope point that he made. 324 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 1: And that was a big, you know, a big reason 325 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: for the l I mean, if you would have just 326 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 1: played each other's records and nobody got on to perform, 327 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: it would have been a little closer because but the 328 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,439 Speaker 1: performance part of it is what took him over the 329 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 1: top because it was funny because it reminded me of 330 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 1: you guys. Uh again, what was the first five you guys? 331 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 1: And it reminded me of what you said. You said 332 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 1: you thought you lost that night, but you went back 333 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,199 Speaker 1: and listened to the tape and he said corner to 334 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:23,719 Speaker 1: the tapes, it was it was different. It wasn't me 335 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: that thought we lost. It was it was, you know, 336 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: we we lost to the crowd. You know, in the 337 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:31,640 Speaker 1: crowd they said who one day they cheered for them, 338 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: they cheered for but they cheered louder for the for 339 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 1: the Fantastic five, you know mostly I mean, you know, 340 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 1: females and but but because it was the visual it 341 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:44,639 Speaker 1: was the excitement of the moment. They was the last 342 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 1: ones on and all that. But when you went home 343 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,919 Speaker 1: and took that tape home and you just listen without 344 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: all the visuals, without all that, just listen, you was like, wait, 345 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,919 Speaker 1: funk out here, nigga bus staying and I'm thinking that 346 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:58,360 Speaker 1: they don't sound better than there, you know what I mean. 347 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 1: So that was on us get our visuals up. So 348 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 1: and they had Eyeline on too and three and for 349 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,439 Speaker 1: them is light skinned. They say, we didn't have a chance, 350 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 1: we didn't have a shot. We're talking all right, let's 351 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 1: go whatever the hell you want. But that's a super 352 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 1: dug like the two got them and got them. So 353 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:30,400 Speaker 1: so back then this record comes out rappers a light right, 354 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: Everybody saying, is that now what what people are saying, 355 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 1: because at first it was important to have your tape 356 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 1: circulate in throughout the city and things like that. So 357 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:42,119 Speaker 1: it does that shift that everyone wants to be on 358 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:45,119 Speaker 1: records now, yeah, okay, it was. It was a shift 359 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 1: that made people okay, oh we can make records, we 360 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:50,680 Speaker 1: can put and think that was something that was possible. Exactly. 361 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 1: Nobody was thinking that way. The closer we got to it, 362 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:57,439 Speaker 1: Me and my my first DJ partner, disco with all 363 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:01,400 Speaker 1: Right on the first suspend, next in in hip hop 364 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:03,919 Speaker 1: and most of the first hispanics in hip hop was 365 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 1: down with me trying to whip a whip, Charlie Chase, 366 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 1: Joe Conzo, I'm gonna focus Fox with my morties. That 367 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:30,360 Speaker 1: so um, just just that association, you know, just I mean, 368 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:35,159 Speaker 1: just differentiated you know, me from because because I imagine 369 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 1: I'm sorry to cut you off, because I imagine at first, 370 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 1: especially were rappers are light and especially even my day 371 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 1: like at first used to be whacked to be on 372 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 1: the radio. At first, It's like yo, like you was 373 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: still want to be commercial, underground, that was us, But 374 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 1: I've dumb masked. We didn't want to make a record. 375 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 1: We don't want to we didn't want to go to 376 00:21:56,520 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 1: a label when rappers the light came out, Uh, it 377 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 1: was labeled. The labels that was out was Enjoy, Enjoy, 378 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 1: Bobby Robinson, but he rested peace? Whose son is Ronnie 379 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:16,680 Speaker 1: d from the Disco four? May he rest in peace? Okay? Well, 380 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 1: Bobby had the whole roster of early hip hop artists. 381 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 1: He had a Furious five, the Treacherous three, the Fielders four, 382 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: talking in the all Stars, I mean, and and all 383 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 1: the and the band that he had had. All the 384 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,880 Speaker 1: music sounded tight. We didn't want to do We didn't 385 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 1: want to go run the Enjoy because they had signed 386 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 1: all these other people before them. So it's like we 387 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,160 Speaker 1: ain't gonna go get on the back of nobody line. 388 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 1: We all of things out in the street and Russell 389 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 1: was not involved. No, Russell not involved at this time. 390 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 1: Russell's like like on the f with Curtis blow right, 391 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And when when run was 392 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 1: Curtis blows d j Um damn, I lost my thought. 393 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:00,879 Speaker 1: Um um, we we're talking. You're saying you didn't want 394 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: to sign. Some didn't want to we didn't want to 395 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: sign to the label. We was like, yeah, that's Porty records. 396 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 1: I mean, we were playing in Harlem world, were playing 397 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 1: the Bridgeport, playing and this and this and that. But 398 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:17,879 Speaker 1: a little by little, you know what, the the recorium 399 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 1: or whatever you wanna call it changed for you being hot. 400 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:24,199 Speaker 1: You could be hot in the street, but if you 401 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,880 Speaker 1: don't have no record. We was headlining when New Edition 402 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 1: came out. Well Vonnie, Bobby Wicky and Mike Yeah, yeah, 403 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: they opened up for us. Run DMC opened up for us. 404 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 1: So for us, for us that was more important because 405 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 1: we didn't see that the future was just gonna be records. 406 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 1: And then after you got hit records, then you do 407 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 1: the performance. There's not a lot of people who don't 408 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:58,120 Speaker 1: make records out here doing shows and ship that's viable 409 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 1: coming second. So but in hindsight, you know what I mean, 410 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 1: we could have gotten the back of anybody's bandwagon or 411 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,199 Speaker 1: whatever and made our way to the front of it, 412 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 1: you know. But because we went another route, our commercial 413 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 1: success didn't uh compare with our ground level success, right 414 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,360 Speaker 1: and our show, which was the best show in hip 415 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 1: hop at the time, didn't translate to vinyl. We weren't 416 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,479 Speaker 1: able to translate that energy that we brought to the 417 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 1: stage and that, you know to Vinyl. So what was 418 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: the second hit, because I think it was Rapper said, like, 419 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 1: then it was another record and then it was the Message, right, 420 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 1: it was pre it was two records before rapping the Light. 421 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 1: The intros pretty much was uh Um King Tim the 422 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 1: three Okay Okay, and then Jocko Rhythm Talk by Jocko. 423 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 1: The fifties radio DJ had a joint with the Fat 424 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 1: back Man and then after rapping, said like was that 425 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 1: after Robbins of Life, Oh, a sequence came out with 426 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 1: funk up Um. They started, uh, they started to sign everybody, 427 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:15,640 Speaker 1: the Crash Crew, the Treacherous three, Busy Be was over 428 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: there at one time, you know, so everything for a 429 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: while with Sugar Hills, Sugar Hills, sugar Hill, they had 430 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 1: it unlocked it before Death Jam. Sugar Hill was we're 431 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 1: talking from seventy nine to like eighty two, eighty three, 432 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 1: eight four, Yeah, into the early eighties, you know what 433 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 1: I mean, until like eighty four when when Death Jam 434 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:38,159 Speaker 1: started and Run d M seeing them just that was 435 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 1: like from run DMC on, it was just different from 436 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 1: there they was. They was the dividing line between our 437 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 1: era and the next era, not recently. We just saw 438 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 1: that daylast Soul. God bless them brothers. They finally got 439 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 1: their masters back. How do you feel about that? Is 440 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 1: that a struggle that you go through? Yeah? Yeah, my 441 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:06,160 Speaker 1: group went through, but we don't got as many masters, 442 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:09,400 Speaker 1: say what I'm saying, But yeah, we had to struggle 443 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,639 Speaker 1: with the record company and ship like that because they 444 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 1: were you know, like doing license and deals with our 445 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: music and stuff like that, with us not knowing shit 446 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,359 Speaker 1: about it and all kind of will ship. And like 447 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 1: I said, we don't got the biggest and the longest catalog, 448 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:23,400 Speaker 1: but I don't give a funk if it's one thing. 449 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:27,160 Speaker 1: If it's three dollars, that's my three dollars. You understand 450 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:31,640 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And I wanted so um yeah, yeah, 451 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 1: we went through the lawyer thing and did what we 452 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 1: had to do, you know, to get our ship to 453 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,480 Speaker 1: return to us. That now we are in control. We 454 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 1: don't own it out right yet, but we own. You 455 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:44,880 Speaker 1: can't do nothing with it without space type ship. Um. 456 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,440 Speaker 1: We did a joint for Apple not too long ago 457 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 1: for the iPhone and eleven and they used our saw him. Yeah, 458 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 1: I mean and boom. You got to break Boom. So 459 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 1: that was a good look back they would have got 460 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,879 Speaker 1: all that money, they got all that money, no better not. 461 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 1: I'm not really understanding how you couldn't get a piece 462 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,359 Speaker 1: of rappers delight? What was the business model that doesn't 463 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,479 Speaker 1: allow you to do that? When he's clearly saying your 464 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,399 Speaker 1: name in the verse. The business model is the crook model. 465 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 1: That's that, that's the model. But what I'm saying, like, 466 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 1: how can someone not say that these niggas don't don't, 467 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 1: don't know no better Robert model meaning them all you then, Okay, 468 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,159 Speaker 1: that whole record industry, I mean, that's part of the 469 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 1: record business, especially back then. Yeah, you know what I 470 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 1: mean that because none of us knew nothing, No, none 471 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:35,959 Speaker 1: of us knew ship. Were just happy to be on 472 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,199 Speaker 1: the record. And that ship goes back to all the 473 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 1: way back to you know what I mean, the artists 474 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:45,439 Speaker 1: from back in the day. Okay, we're just happy to 475 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,159 Speaker 1: do what we do and be on the record and 476 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 1: get famous from it. We don't learn later on, you 477 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 1: know how fun over we we've been, you know, until 478 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,959 Speaker 1: you know, it's sets in, sets in on all of us. 479 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 1: At some point when you think about I heard that 480 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,120 Speaker 1: back then, that Sam Cook was the only black man 481 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,879 Speaker 1: who owns his master, and then all of a sudden, 482 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 1: no one can tell you how he died. Fact like 483 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:11,719 Speaker 1: no one can should they say about Prince? Yeah yeah 484 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 1: yeah yeah. As soon as you start talking that independent 485 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 1: from the system ship. Yeah, you're talking and anything in anything, 486 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,119 Speaker 1: you're gonna do another shop. I'm doing the show that 487 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,199 Speaker 1: should drink, do a shot to do a shot out? 488 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,959 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah yeah. You want you want you don't want 489 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,200 Speaker 1: to whiskey? Do you don't? You don't want to mix 490 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,119 Speaker 1: it up, don't want miss it up. Let me know 491 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:37,719 Speaker 1: if he wants to a little ice ship yeah yeah yeah, yah, 492 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 1: yeah yeah yeah yeah. I'm putting in this carp now, 493 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 1: that's that Japanese whiskey right there, all right. If he 494 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 1: wants some ice in there, that takes Mike, I don't 495 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 1: want to touch it myself. Thank you, brother, Yo, motherfucking 496 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 1: grand master Cat. I'm mad. I'm mad, happy, bro, I'm 497 00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 1: like a kid in the candy machine right now. It 498 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 1: is right there, soottle my brother. So that's a question 499 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 1: I asked everybody who comes here. But you can actually 500 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 1: really really answer this question. Did you ever think hip 501 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 1: hop and make it this fun? No, but I always 502 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 1: hope that it would oc could you had the potential? Yeah, 503 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 1: I'm stopping you for a second because why why because 504 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 1: it was it just like a basement party type of 505 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 1: thing when it first invented. Or I'm curious to say, 506 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 1: I'm here. You you you, you gotta understand. When we 507 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 1: first started doing hip hop, people looking at us like, 508 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 1: what the fund is wrong with you? Like what the 509 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 1: fun is? Imagine you know from the from the dancing, 510 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, from the break dancing especially, Yeah, 511 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 1: mean the funk y'all rolling around on the floor for 512 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 1: sucking up your clothes. That was the attitude. And then 513 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 1: if you and you can't go you can't be in 514 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 1: a party and ask a girl and dann yo, who's 515 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 1: up short? Do you want dance? And then bring it 516 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 1: out to the dance floors and start spinning on the 517 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 1: fucking floor. All right. It's just like me. So if 518 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 1: we was on our own with the ship for a 519 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 1: while before it got cooler. Other people, my parents are friends, 520 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 1: y'all ain't gonna never get nowhere doing that hivity. How 521 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 1: they ship ain't even take the name of this ship serious? Everything? 522 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 1: This ship alright, motherfucker drug dealers. Oh you're gonna working 523 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 1: with them hip hop niggas. Tell a biture, Oh yo, 524 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,719 Speaker 1: you're with them hip hop niggas over there. Hur So 525 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 1: it wasn't. It wasn't a positive thing for a while. 526 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 1: It's the fucking biggest genre of music and the fucking 527 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 1: had I know, I would be a real thick head 528 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 1: if I sit here and tell you, yeah, I knew 529 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 1: it would be this big, and I ain't got this 530 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 1: much percenter this ship. If I knew I had an 531 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 1: eight in this ship, I would this ship would have 532 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:26,479 Speaker 1: to go through me, or at least me and my peers. 533 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 1: I mean me, cool, hurt, you know what I mean, Flash, 534 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Mel You I mean like 535 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 1: a counsel, you know what I mean, and have a 536 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,480 Speaker 1: union of this ship that we would have had a 537 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 1: hole on hip hop. Whereas that can't be a hip 538 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 1: hop chicken store in Baltimore. Hip hop motherfucking fried chicken, 539 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:53,240 Speaker 1: my nigger. I got the box in my house, So 540 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 1: I mean, what other entity you know that anybody can 541 00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 1: just take it and just run with it and do 542 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 1: what the funk they want with talk hip hop. I 543 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 1: can't do that ship with nothing else. So because there 544 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 1: was no there was no organized you know union, No 545 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 1: nobody sat down, set no rules by laws or whatever. Nobody, 546 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 1: uh like trademark this ship. There's no ownership of hip hop. 547 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 1: So now it could be a hip hop any fucking thing, 548 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And that's that's nasty. But 549 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 1: wasn't zo Nation trying to do some stuff like that? 550 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 1: Nation has always trying to organize hip hop. I mean first, 551 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:39,960 Speaker 1: you know, through the family, you know, first making it 552 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 1: an organization, you know, based on the principles of peace, unity, 553 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 1: love and having fun, you know what I mean. As 554 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 1: far as a business model, you know, that was based 555 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 1: around Bambada and his you know, musical endeavors and stuff 556 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 1: like that and other things they got into. But they 557 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,719 Speaker 1: did what what what they did early on on was 558 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 1: unite us under one umbrella call hip hop. Hip Hop 559 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 1: didn't have a name when we started. We just started out, 560 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 1: let's do the hip hop thing. Nah. The name hip 561 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:18,680 Speaker 1: hop came from a cadence in Marching. M hmm, yeah, 562 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 1: I don't. Grandmaster Flash was playing at a party all right, 563 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 1: and one a cowboy, Keith Cowboy, one of his the 564 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 1: mcs may he rest in peace. What's going into the 565 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:36,480 Speaker 1: army next day? So he's working with him on the 566 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 1: Mikey like, yeah, so it's I forgot to do name somebody, No, 567 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 1: but I forgot his name. He was like, yeah someone 568 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 1: so this and that. Yeah, you're having a good time. 569 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 1: Now you party and now with the mar Yeah, it's 570 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 1: gonna be getting up at the crack of dawn like 571 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 1: here here here, you know that Caden's when they walk. 572 00:33:54,840 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 1: That's where hip hop came from. All right, now it's crazy. 573 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:04,040 Speaker 1: And then that that that cadence became repeated so much 574 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:08,760 Speaker 1: it became like the signature thing ahead until hip hop 575 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,719 Speaker 1: the words hip hop form and then love buck Star 576 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 1: Sky was the one who really kind of took it 577 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,280 Speaker 1: over the top with the head to hop, the head 578 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 1: the hop to hop, the hop him and been hip 579 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:24,840 Speaker 1: hip hip hop was the most repeated phrase throughout our conversation. 580 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,399 Speaker 1: So hip hop became the name of our culture. Got 581 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:34,240 Speaker 1: there makes a noise, moving around a little bit, were 582 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:39,759 Speaker 1: bouncing around something that I didn't know, Um, DJ Hollywood, right, 583 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 1: I didn't know DJ Hollywood was consider disco because why 584 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,400 Speaker 1: didn't you know that? Because what was the song that 585 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,200 Speaker 1: he had at one point, tang Wu tang, I don't 586 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:53,279 Speaker 1: want to know my honey bun and Henty's over that. 587 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 1: You young, youll befit, no doubt, I know that that one. 588 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:03,400 Speaker 1: Hip hop, Well, Hollywood precedes hip hop, you know what 589 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,520 Speaker 1: I mean, And and Hollywood just kind of in a 590 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 1: difficult place. But you know, between hip hop and what 591 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 1: happened before hip hop, you know what I mean, he 592 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:16,360 Speaker 1: was a direct influence on what came next. The next 593 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,440 Speaker 1: generation of DJ's you know what I mean, got whatever 594 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:24,480 Speaker 1: they got from DJ Hollywood because like t paying Future, 595 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,200 Speaker 1: all of them, people who use melodic music gotta kind 596 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,759 Speaker 1: of give it to Hollywood. Well, I mean, yeah, he 597 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 1: was that you know, crowd rocker, that calling response King. 598 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,239 Speaker 1: He had a report with the audience. He was funny 599 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:42,879 Speaker 1: and he was like that. But m c s as 600 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,680 Speaker 1: we know mcs today, you know what I mean, you 601 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,319 Speaker 1: thought a beat on and these niggers getting in that 602 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:53,960 Speaker 1: didn't come until our generation. And there was a time 603 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,799 Speaker 1: if he went to a club that Hollywood was playing in, 604 00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,600 Speaker 1: you couldn't get in with sneakers. First of all, he 605 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:03,239 Speaker 1: had to dress up. If they caught your ass breakdancing, 606 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:08,880 Speaker 1: and that they broke your security. But I found that out. 607 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,319 Speaker 1: That's it hurt me. Yeah. Yeah, So that's part of 608 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,920 Speaker 1: the mystique why people say Hollywood is not, you know, 609 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:18,120 Speaker 1: it's hip hop. He because he precedes hip hop, but 610 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:22,239 Speaker 1: he definitely influenced hip hop. I can see that. I 611 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,000 Speaker 1: can see that. So, um, what's your favorite part of 612 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,600 Speaker 1: hip hop? Isn't making it the record? Performing the record? 613 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 1: Um Records is not really my my forte so to speak. 614 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:44,120 Speaker 1: I haven't had. I just haven't had that constant studio 615 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,520 Speaker 1: environment that you know a lot of artists have, uh 616 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,319 Speaker 1: for like Park for example, when Pot came home, Park 617 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:54,360 Speaker 1: lived in the studio for two weeks or months or whatever, 618 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,320 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. He went from studio to 619 00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,640 Speaker 1: studio to studio, and you know what I mean. And 620 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,799 Speaker 1: in order to become that prolific, you have to be 621 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:08,120 Speaker 1: a demand like that. Uh LLL cool J eleven albums? 622 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,879 Speaker 1: Who the fuck makes eleven albums? Who gets to make 623 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:15,600 Speaker 1: eleven albums? And hip hop? Maybe now because independently you 624 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,520 Speaker 1: can make a hunted But who gets signed to a 625 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:22,840 Speaker 1: label to eleven fucking album deal successful albums to exactly 626 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:28,800 Speaker 1: most of them? So I'm gonna keep it on it. 627 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,040 Speaker 1: But but I mean, but that's the thing. So the 628 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:36,080 Speaker 1: opportunities that you have, you know, have a lot to 629 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,400 Speaker 1: do with how productive you are. You know what I mean. 630 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,759 Speaker 1: Today you can make a record in your house. I 631 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:47,200 Speaker 1: mean it sounds just as good as you know. I 632 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:51,000 Speaker 1: ain't say all of them because you could, you could, 633 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:58,480 Speaker 1: because like, yeah, that's just sound like about your I'm 634 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:02,640 Speaker 1: my engineer. You need let me bragging about me at 635 00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:06,960 Speaker 1: your own But so this is famous jay Z line, right, 636 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,680 Speaker 1: he said, I'm over charging niggas for what they did 637 00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:16,120 Speaker 1: to the cold cork. Where are you at when you 638 00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:20,120 Speaker 1: hear this? And as you say, yeah, what are you saying? 639 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,040 Speaker 1: What you're talking about? Well, I'm gonna tell you what happens, 640 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,800 Speaker 1: you know, is you know came out. Listen listen that. 641 00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,759 Speaker 1: So now my phone started ringing off the hood. Yo, Yo, 642 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,279 Speaker 1: you heard jay Z said, yeah, yeah, yeah, I heard it. 643 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,160 Speaker 1: I heard, yo, jay Z hood like like like all day, 644 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:40,920 Speaker 1: one of them type. So like somebody I was sitting 645 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:42,560 Speaker 1: and somebody asked me, yo, what you think about that? 646 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:46,799 Speaker 1: Jay Z? You know, I said, I think you know, 647 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,680 Speaker 1: he's robbing from the rich in the name of the poor. 648 00:38:54,960 --> 00:39:01,319 Speaker 1: Love that now, Robin hood robbed from the rich and 649 00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:06,479 Speaker 1: gave it to the poor. He arrived from the rich 650 00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,160 Speaker 1: in the name of the poor, Like I'm a tax 651 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:14,799 Speaker 1: all you motherfucker's out there extra okay for what? You 652 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:19,760 Speaker 1: didn't give these niggers right here? H but he didn't 653 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:25,160 Speaker 1: give these niggs right? It wasn't right? So what what? 654 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,360 Speaker 1: What are my mothers think of it? I think it 655 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,440 Speaker 1: was a statement. What I mean it was. You know, 656 00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,719 Speaker 1: Jay's a clever motherfucker. Yeah if a rhyme when he 657 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,160 Speaker 1: when he comes to it, it's like okay, all right, yeah, 658 00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,799 Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw that there. But I mean we didn't 659 00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,040 Speaker 1: get a call from Jay. You know, no non bank 660 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,680 Speaker 1: accounts went up and none of that ship. So it 661 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:46,920 Speaker 1: was just you know, another clever jay Z line. No, 662 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,400 Speaker 1: but honestly what he was saying. But my point is this, 663 00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,319 Speaker 1: let me ask you what's there? Were you going through 664 00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:57,840 Speaker 1: something with the lady at that time? Or I would 665 00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,200 Speaker 1: I would first of all, I would like to talk 666 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,239 Speaker 1: to Jay and be like, what did they do to 667 00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,680 Speaker 1: the code crush? Right? What you know that you don't know? 668 00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:11,440 Speaker 1: I know they did something. I know they get something, 669 00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:18,960 Speaker 1: you know, and I know that they did something so 670 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,400 Speaker 1: I'm like, you know what I mean. So, I mean, 671 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,279 Speaker 1: there's a lot of industry secrets and ship like that 672 00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,359 Speaker 1: that went on back in the days. Niggas got black 673 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,000 Speaker 1: Ball for the for the sof you could have been 674 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,319 Speaker 1: sucking one of these niggas joints, you know what I mean, 675 00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,759 Speaker 1: And for that reason, you don't get signed to a 676 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,520 Speaker 1: record label or some ship like that. So people of 677 00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:41,200 Speaker 1: people wherever you go. So there's a lot of reasons 678 00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,279 Speaker 1: for people being where they are and people not being 679 00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:48,200 Speaker 1: where they are, right and you do you believe in 680 00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,320 Speaker 1: that like black ball and ship in the industry? Hell yeah, 681 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:58,560 Speaker 1: you know. I mean, man, listen, I'm gonna be honest. 682 00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,879 Speaker 1: It might not be as organized as you think. It's 683 00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,600 Speaker 1: not as organized it is. It's a thing where people 684 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:09,240 Speaker 1: tell people look at it. It me me, in my opinion, 685 00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,319 Speaker 1: there's something that exists. But in this certain ship that's 686 00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:17,759 Speaker 1: just common sense. It's like, just give an example, a 687 00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:22,160 Speaker 1: little oozy verse says fun Grandmaster cats right, and then 688 00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,440 Speaker 1: wants to do drink Champs that week, and we say, no, 689 00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:29,279 Speaker 1: we were cats. People might take that as that's being 690 00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,239 Speaker 1: black ball, but that's just standing with my homie. But 691 00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,200 Speaker 1: that is being black ball too. No, No, everybody stopped 692 00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,839 Speaker 1: working with you. But it's the beginning that if you 693 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,239 Speaker 1: can't get signed to a record deal no more. If 694 00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,360 Speaker 1: you ain't getting shows niggas, ain't your whole ship stop, 695 00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,000 Speaker 1: that's getting black Yeah. I mean if you you might 696 00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,479 Speaker 1: get black ball from normally show, but it ain't gonna 697 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:52,239 Speaker 1: stop your whole motherfucking machine, like the even though this 698 00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,359 Speaker 1: is a that's a bad thing to get black ball from, 699 00:41:54,400 --> 00:42:04,000 Speaker 1: drink might like. For instance, me and OS had a 700 00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,799 Speaker 1: little dispute back in the days, right, I didn't think 701 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:09,239 Speaker 1: he was black balling me. I don't think he's sent 702 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,680 Speaker 1: out the message black ball. But at the same token, 703 00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,000 Speaker 1: a lot of people did not want to stand next 704 00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,799 Speaker 1: to me. You beat people with eyes. I think that's 705 00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:21,200 Speaker 1: a form of black I don't think I think I 706 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,400 Speaker 1: think it is. I think don't. And people want to 707 00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,600 Speaker 1: do business with you, and then they stopped working with 708 00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,120 Speaker 1: a person because they want to do business with you 709 00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,080 Speaker 1: and they don't want to run for those feathers. To me, 710 00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,040 Speaker 1: that's black black balling as well. You know what black 711 00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,640 Speaker 1: balling is. Black balling is when an executive telling motherfucker 712 00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:39,720 Speaker 1: other executives listen, this nigger here right here or whatever, 713 00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,640 Speaker 1: such the such that's and that who don't work with him? 714 00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:44,840 Speaker 1: Mind just as a favor of me, don't work with right, 715 00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:49,160 Speaker 1: that's official blacks. That's black. Now, maybe do you go 716 00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,239 Speaker 1: to get shut in your motherfucking face and you don't 717 00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,920 Speaker 1: understand why you're honest that something nigger you picked some 718 00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:58,719 Speaker 1: nigga off some nigga influence of man. Yeah, understand that 719 00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:00,840 Speaker 1: that I Honestand and you don't that exists. No, I 720 00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:04,160 Speaker 1: believe that exists, but not to the level like I said, 721 00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,120 Speaker 1: like to the level of that like that we think, 722 00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,520 Speaker 1: like we just think like you make a disrecord towards 723 00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,040 Speaker 1: somebody and then you're just you're just black ball. It's 724 00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:16,960 Speaker 1: not everybody doesn't happened magically because everyone's really not that powerful. 725 00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,640 Speaker 1: Like the further you get, the further you get, like 726 00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,040 Speaker 1: you've been realizing that some of these dudes Frank's they 727 00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,000 Speaker 1: just act like that, you know, saying, somebod these dudes 728 00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,360 Speaker 1: straight bozos. You're like, this is who I looked up to, 729 00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:28,239 Speaker 1: Like you know what I'm saying. Like the and the 730 00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,000 Speaker 1: further you get kind of you make your own rules, 731 00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:32,880 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, you can get to a 732 00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,080 Speaker 1: point where, like I swear to guard, don't, I'm not. 733 00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:39,000 Speaker 1: I'm not bringing this up. I watched Dave Chappelle three 734 00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:42,680 Speaker 1: days in the row go on stage and say the 735 00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:49,440 Speaker 1: most craziest ship about transgender, about homosexual people, about just 736 00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:51,879 Speaker 1: whatever the funk he wanted to talk about. He talked 737 00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:53,840 Speaker 1: about having a fight with a bitch that was a 738 00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,399 Speaker 1: transgender and he said, no, I didn't want to stop 739 00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:03,040 Speaker 1: because I was winning. What I'm saying is David's at 740 00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:08,080 Speaker 1: the level where he doesn't you can't cancel him. Yeah, Yeah, 741 00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,879 Speaker 1: I at that level life, nigger. I could ship on 742 00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,200 Speaker 1: your on your on your on your on your car, 743 00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,120 Speaker 1: ship him and where this was saying. I was looking 744 00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,480 Speaker 1: like they're gonna cancel. But then I thought about it. 745 00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:24,600 Speaker 1: I said, this guy got forty minutes and cancel. Like, 746 00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,120 Speaker 1: so that's what I'm saying, Like certain people make it 747 00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,399 Speaker 1: to a certain and he's he just one of them. 748 00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,480 Speaker 1: Like he talked about ship like I felt like I 749 00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,480 Speaker 1: was in the eighties joking concert you know what I mean? 750 00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,240 Speaker 1: Remember back and didn't no one knew the proper words 751 00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,239 Speaker 1: to say, No one knew not to say this don't 752 00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,440 Speaker 1: say this like he was just just just going crazy. 753 00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:44,560 Speaker 1: So I said to say that I'm I'm doing another shot. 754 00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:49,320 Speaker 1: You got damn doing another shot. So cast Run DMC 755 00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:54,239 Speaker 1: comes out I did not notice as the drug dealer 756 00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:59,440 Speaker 1: attire outfit because because but then you guys, you guys 757 00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:08,440 Speaker 1: got I pad first come out right friend ship, you 758 00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:12,279 Speaker 1: know what I mean? So y'all looking at mother not 759 00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:18,760 Speaker 1: what happened was Russell pattern Run DMC sound behind people 760 00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,560 Speaker 1: like my group Cold Crush Brothers, d m C and 761 00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:23,839 Speaker 1: Run will tell you theirself. They you know what I mean, 762 00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:27,120 Speaker 1: they strive to be you know, like the Cold Crush Brothers. 763 00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:31,480 Speaker 1: And but Jay was the street dude. Jay was the 764 00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,640 Speaker 1: one who messed out, you know what I mean. He 765 00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:37,399 Speaker 1: had the look of this, so so they adopted his look. 766 00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:39,920 Speaker 1: If you look at them in early days, they had 767 00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:44,799 Speaker 1: Sue Jackison and Mark Nexs all right, and so Jay 768 00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:51,319 Speaker 1: kind of set up there. Look yeah, so Jake kind 769 00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,920 Speaker 1: of crafted their their their look. And then from then on, 770 00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:55,960 Speaker 1: you know, the didas thing. They just went through the 771 00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:58,680 Speaker 1: roof with that. That must have been the first time 772 00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:03,239 Speaker 1: hip hop had a right yeah. Yeah, like the course 773 00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,759 Speaker 1: like we was we was working with their products. This 774 00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,239 Speaker 1: is the first time. But they wasn't working with us, right, 775 00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,800 Speaker 1: nobody was then. We wasn't getting no free sneakers nowhere. 776 00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,920 Speaker 1: That we had to go to you man on Southern 777 00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,080 Speaker 1: Boulevard and I'll be like, come on, man, I need 778 00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,640 Speaker 1: those in thirteen. I need to I need to go 779 00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:23,200 Speaker 1: on the back. On the back. You're taking a shot. 780 00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:33,320 Speaker 1: Stottle got damn Stlettlettle. Let's start a little bit about Wallstall. 781 00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:37,080 Speaker 1: How was that while style for me was like a 782 00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:43,960 Speaker 1: stamp of approval that yeah, we wasn't wrong. This ship 783 00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:47,160 Speaker 1: is real. It is important people, do you know want 784 00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,920 Speaker 1: to funk with this? Um? When this guy when Charlie 785 00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:54,200 Speaker 1: Ahearn came to our neighborhood and start scouting around and 786 00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:57,440 Speaker 1: shipped to see what was the Bronx. This is you know, 787 00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,680 Speaker 1: a guy from Soho you know what I mean, down 788 00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,959 Speaker 1: in the Lower east Side, you know, artsy kind of dude. 789 00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:07,319 Speaker 1: This is the business boogie down Bronx at this time. 790 00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,359 Speaker 1: This is where every house is on fire. All those 791 00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:12,640 Speaker 1: all those visuals that you see in the Bronze during 792 00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,760 Speaker 1: that time, that's during the time that we felt mildstar 793 00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:20,440 Speaker 1: early eighties. So um, but but that was kind of 794 00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,520 Speaker 1: like a stamp, you know, for us, that a stamp 795 00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:26,759 Speaker 1: of validation in a sense that the outside world thinks 796 00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,879 Speaker 1: this ship is cool too, not just us. They want 797 00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,040 Speaker 1: to document this ship. Somebody wants to make a movie 798 00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,920 Speaker 1: about this ship. Oh yeah, so that was the first 799 00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:39,319 Speaker 1: of right, well, yeah, there was a documentary about hip hop, 800 00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:43,319 Speaker 1: but about mainly graffiti and breakdancing. That was the name 801 00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,080 Speaker 1: of Style Wars. But this was like a movie with 802 00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,799 Speaker 1: this was a movie. This was more of a document 803 00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,799 Speaker 1: movie documentary. Now watching it looks it feels like a 804 00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,399 Speaker 1: reality show documentary because it was like following you guys 805 00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,359 Speaker 1: doing what you really do. Well, it's it's all the 806 00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,040 Speaker 1: people that was really doing it, the actors except for 807 00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,800 Speaker 1: the people, the non hip hop people in the movie. Everybody, 808 00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:05,359 Speaker 1: every graffiti artists, every breakdance to, every DJ, every MC 809 00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:10,480 Speaker 1: was actually themselves in a movie. Wow, you watched to 810 00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:12,160 Speaker 1: go O Style today? You said, right, I got I 811 00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:15,320 Speaker 1: got the VHS right here, I'm having vs. Let me 812 00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:24,160 Speaker 1: see the goddamn vah see the motherfucking VHS. Buddy, goddamn, 813 00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:27,080 Speaker 1: this is this is legendary right here. This is the 814 00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:33,399 Speaker 1: original one that Wow, that's the original right there, man, Jesus, 815 00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:39,279 Speaker 1: Fat five Freddie always had white girls. Every time you 816 00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:41,759 Speaker 1: bring up fat five Freddie, it's a white girl around here. 817 00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:50,320 Speaker 1: Freddie part of that artsy community. Yeah, Freddy facts I wrote. 818 00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:55,520 Speaker 1: I wrote one of his first rhymes, get out of here, man, Jesus, 819 00:48:55,760 --> 00:49:02,319 Speaker 1: I'm taking this ship out of here. I'm shop here. Yeah. 820 00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:05,640 Speaker 1: So yeah, wild Style really really kind of validated the 821 00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:09,319 Speaker 1: whole movement. And the first time we went on tour, 822 00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:12,480 Speaker 1: first time we all got on a plane together and 823 00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:15,160 Speaker 1: it was like twenty five of us went to Japan. 824 00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:24,000 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, a lot of motherfucking episodes, a lot 825 00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,279 Speaker 1: of you know, a lot of fun. I mean the 826 00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:28,240 Speaker 1: first time we was in front of that kind of press, 827 00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:31,400 Speaker 1: it was like everywhere we went, it was a cameras 828 00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,520 Speaker 1: following us, you know what I mean. I'm doing for 829 00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:38,000 Speaker 1: like overseas love us more, much more, much more. I 830 00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:42,040 Speaker 1: think it's because they got a greater appreciation our art 831 00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,840 Speaker 1: form because they're not connected to it, you know what 832 00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,120 Speaker 1: I mean. It doesn't come from them, and they're like 833 00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:49,879 Speaker 1: outsiders looking in. So when they when we come there, 834 00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:54,359 Speaker 1: it's like, ah, those are the people in history. I'll 835 00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:59,279 Speaker 1: give you a perfect example when we went to Japan Okinawa. 836 00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:04,160 Speaker 1: You know, we went to Tokyo and UH department store 837 00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:09,680 Speaker 1: called that sponsive tour, So we went to UH. We 838 00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:12,480 Speaker 1: were just hitting different places. We were doing outdoor venues. 839 00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:15,480 Speaker 1: They would build like a stage in like an hour 840 00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:17,920 Speaker 1: and it's like a big stage of sound system and 841 00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:20,400 Speaker 1: we would go on and break dance and wrap and 842 00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:24,000 Speaker 1: DJ and then they take the whole ship down before 843 00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:26,520 Speaker 1: we left, like the whole ship being gone. That's how 844 00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:33,200 Speaker 1: efficient they were back back then. And we would when 845 00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:35,239 Speaker 1: they showed the movie in the theater, we would come 846 00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:37,600 Speaker 1: out on the on the stage out of the movie 847 00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:42,120 Speaker 1: and the whole yeah, the whole the whole movie. Theater 848 00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:45,440 Speaker 1: just went bananas. So we was like the Talk of 849 00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:50,600 Speaker 1: Tokyo and we introduced hip hop to Japan personally, just 850 00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:53,600 Speaker 1: from that movie and that tour. We went to clubs. 851 00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:56,880 Speaker 1: DJ still had the big thick rubber matt on the 852 00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,840 Speaker 1: motherfucker turntable and we would get on church and be like, 853 00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:05,880 Speaker 1: could we you know, because you can't cut that. You 854 00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:14,239 Speaker 1: gotta h these niggs looking in amazement like what the 855 00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,200 Speaker 1: fund is y'all doing. But by the time we left Japan, 856 00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:21,960 Speaker 1: but we revisited those clubs. They was doing that too. 857 00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:25,319 Speaker 1: Little kids was breakdancing in the street because they saw 858 00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,520 Speaker 1: crazy legs and them do exhibition in the streets. So 859 00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:33,359 Speaker 1: we actually were the first impression on Tokyo for hip hop. 860 00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:36,000 Speaker 1: That movie While Style and that tour that took us 861 00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:43,000 Speaker 1: out there. Wow, that's amazing. You think While Style, like 862 00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:46,320 Speaker 1: before While Style, how much do you think the culture 863 00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:49,080 Speaker 1: really felt that it was all these elements were the culture. 864 00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,040 Speaker 1: Because there's people who argue like these elements were put 865 00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:54,719 Speaker 1: together to be hip hop. I think I think they were. 866 00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:59,719 Speaker 1: They were gathered together because of their their um, their continuity. 867 00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:03,360 Speaker 1: But between each other, a lot of DJs and graffiti 868 00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:06,760 Speaker 1: writers or b boys or m c s or such 869 00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:10,080 Speaker 1: and such and so into you know, those those elements 870 00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:13,680 Speaker 1: are interwoven within the hip hop. And they say that 871 00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:16,880 Speaker 1: graffiti is not an element of hip hop because graffiti 872 00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:19,920 Speaker 1: has been going on since the beginning of time. Okay, yes, 873 00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,520 Speaker 1: we do understand that. But like I said over and 874 00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:26,640 Speaker 1: over again my quote, hip hop didn't invent anything. Hip 875 00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:31,879 Speaker 1: hop reinvented everything. Okay, there's nothing new under the sun. 876 00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:35,080 Speaker 1: We didn't do nothing new. People people play music before us. 877 00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:38,680 Speaker 1: People dance before us, people talk and rap before us 878 00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:42,480 Speaker 1: just like we do. Did it way before we did. Okay, 879 00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:46,920 Speaker 1: but this is our generations reinvention of those elements, and 880 00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:55,799 Speaker 1: that is what hip hop is. I gotta ask, how 881 00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:59,920 Speaker 1: did you come up with the name grand mastercast because 882 00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,680 Speaker 1: like you can, everybody can't call youself a Grandmaster. No, 883 00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:07,560 Speaker 1: I mean you can, you can try, you know, But 884 00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:11,520 Speaker 1: the origin of Grandmaster, as far as hip hop is concerned, 885 00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:15,799 Speaker 1: the first hip hop the first DJ named Grandmaster was 886 00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:24,360 Speaker 1: Grandmaster Flowers and Grandmaster Flowers inspired Grandmaster Flash. Um Flash 887 00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:27,200 Speaker 1: was taught by Pete d J Jones, who was also 888 00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:33,480 Speaker 1: a legendary DJ and hip hop Flowers. Um Flash adopted 889 00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:39,840 Speaker 1: Flowers Uh Monica, Grandmaster Flash. How I became Grandmaster? My 890 00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:44,440 Speaker 1: original name in hip hop was casting over dj m 891 00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:47,680 Speaker 1: C casting over Fly. Now one night I'm playing in 892 00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:50,480 Speaker 1: my spot the Blue Lagoon and the Bronx website Avenue 893 00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:54,440 Speaker 1: Honey for me and my man just go with and 894 00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:57,000 Speaker 1: I got some um. By the way, everyone had the 895 00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:01,319 Speaker 1: dopest names back in the day. This is sm SR 896 00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:09,400 Speaker 1: Brand Wizard. Everybody they now baby, big Baby, regular Baby. 897 00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:14,040 Speaker 1: So so I'm cutting up a record now back then 898 00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:20,160 Speaker 1: Flash was the fastest DJ you know, known throughout hip. 899 00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:23,600 Speaker 1: That's when everybody and their grandmother was in the DJ. Alright, 900 00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:28,839 Speaker 1: hippopemunity is small, grand Master Flash, fastest man on two turntables. Right. 901 00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:31,480 Speaker 1: So one night I'm cutting up a record I think 902 00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:34,680 Speaker 1: it was I can't stop and I'm cutting it back 903 00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:40,000 Speaker 1: and forth because that do could do that Dom Cay 904 00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:50,799 Speaker 1: that food, that man, that man, man, man man. I 905 00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:56,000 Speaker 1: just kept catching it. My man was like, Yo, faster, faster, faster, faster. 906 00:54:56,239 --> 00:55:00,520 Speaker 1: The crowd was going faster, faster, faster than started going 907 00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:04,960 Speaker 1: grand master, grand Master. The crowd start going grand master, 908 00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:14,160 Speaker 1: grand master. That's when I became grand master. Oh my god, 909 00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:27,759 Speaker 1: that was mad. I'm saying, go on, I'm gonna tell 910 00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:31,000 Speaker 1: you something. Then moved us out to you. You must 911 00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:34,440 Speaker 1: have made the easiest Netflix money ever. What do you 912 00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:37,200 Speaker 1: mean I watched listen. I don't know if you ever 913 00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:39,839 Speaker 1: saw a State Property too. Anybody who knows me, when 914 00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:43,400 Speaker 1: they watched State Property Too, they say, Nori, you cheated. 915 00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:46,320 Speaker 1: And then I'll say, why did I cheat? Because I 916 00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:49,239 Speaker 1: didn't act at all. I was just I was just 917 00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:54,200 Speaker 1: When I watched the Indian Detective, I said this this guy. 918 00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:56,200 Speaker 1: I know it's true. It's got a real chuckle and 919 00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:58,440 Speaker 1: its fucking phenomenal. I just told it. I watched the 920 00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:02,239 Speaker 1: whole season. I said, this guy's just being him. You 921 00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:07,239 Speaker 1: just check out here. You gotta do it. You gotta 922 00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:09,360 Speaker 1: see your Indian fall. That's very cliche. He goes to 923 00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:12,080 Speaker 1: your Indian ball and he's sick. They don't want to 924 00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:15,080 Speaker 1: tell you he's sick. He was, he was fai. It 925 00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:17,239 Speaker 1: was crazy. I loved it. Come on to make so 926 00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:23,719 Speaker 1: much in the Detective, it's it sounds very racial, but 927 00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:28,040 Speaker 1: it's not ironically because he's actually an Indian detective. Well 928 00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:31,760 Speaker 1: I'm it's calling a detective because I I'm an actual 929 00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:34,239 Speaker 1: detective in Toronto and then I end up becoming a 930 00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:36,920 Speaker 1: detective in India and India. That's why it's not like 931 00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:40,640 Speaker 1: I'm walking to go I am. It's not that at 932 00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:52,480 Speaker 1: all too. That's the holy how do you how do 933 00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:55,920 Speaker 1: you know? How do you know? Cast? Cast? Some cast 934 00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:59,000 Speaker 1: I met from Mel Meli. Mel and I have been 935 00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:03,080 Speaker 1: friends for about six seventeen years. Then then he brought cast. 936 00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:05,320 Speaker 1: He goes, hey man and he was like, yo, Russ, 937 00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:09,399 Speaker 1: I'm gonna bring up we're gonna go out and yeah, 938 00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:12,760 Speaker 1: bring casts with me. I like, fuck, yeah, you crazy? 939 00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:16,920 Speaker 1: How yeah? I just made him say it's for no reason. 940 00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:26,800 Speaker 1: How's your throat? Fel my prison dog? So you met him, 941 00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:28,760 Speaker 1: met him through mal and then we you know, we 942 00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:30,960 Speaker 1: had dinner. We all had a great time. And then 943 00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:36,240 Speaker 1: it just it stayed from there, goddamnit. And now you 944 00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:39,440 Speaker 1: know Cas, Cas and I have very close and you know, 945 00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:41,440 Speaker 1: I know, I said, know his whole family, but he 946 00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:43,400 Speaker 1: got too many kids to know the whole family. But 947 00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:46,640 Speaker 1: he's working on it, working well. It's not like he 948 00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:48,320 Speaker 1: got some kids in Japan. You don't know. He might 949 00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:52,920 Speaker 1: he might have somebody. You see a space and he 950 00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:55,120 Speaker 1: described Japan. I said you have to look at look, 951 00:57:55,240 --> 00:58:04,160 Speaker 1: he said, snake on the I gotta relax, Russell. Would 952 00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:08,400 Speaker 1: you like we gotta get talking about some Yeah, talk 953 00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:10,920 Speaker 1: about you as we talk about Japan. That's a great transition. 954 00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:13,480 Speaker 1: Has some Japanese motherfucker. It's like the shot form. We 955 00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:15,440 Speaker 1: wanted to drinks that I would like to start with 956 00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:18,600 Speaker 1: a beverage. Okay, I don't know what that means. With 957 00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:21,919 Speaker 1: a rock or two. This man the cup? Please yeah, 958 00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:26,160 Speaker 1: thank you, so please. Congratulations smoke chance. Please smoke it up. 959 00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:29,320 Speaker 1: That's you, guys. Smoke it up. Smoke up, smoke it up. 960 00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:32,160 Speaker 1: God damn you know what I'm saying, Grandmaster cast Yeah, 961 00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:36,760 Speaker 1: I need about forty of these. Yeah, we got you. Man, 962 00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:39,840 Speaker 1: throw a couple of rocks. Ice. And yet I don't 963 00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:43,440 Speaker 1: give a ship. I don't. I don't like to touch 964 00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:49,760 Speaker 1: another man. I appreciate you for you a goddamnit. Yes, 965 00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:52,360 Speaker 1: please don't read this for you. I know you would appreciate. Yes, 966 00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:55,840 Speaker 1: I don't appreciate. This is my thumb for me. Queen's 967 00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:58,280 Speaker 1: only only. I'm not matching everything. I'm put it on. 968 00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:03,240 Speaker 1: Wait now, so on right now. During during the plandemic, 969 00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:07,160 Speaker 1: I got very I got very creative, and I started 970 00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:11,120 Speaker 1: coming up with different things that you know, I'm sorry 971 00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:15,040 Speaker 1: that goes with the thing, you know what I mean, 972 00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:17,600 Speaker 1: you know, I get down. But one of the things 973 00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:20,000 Speaker 1: with the clothing, you know company, and I started making 974 00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:22,400 Speaker 1: up T shirt designs and stuff like that that was 975 00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:27,240 Speaker 1: relevant to our era that people don't really do. And uh, 976 00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:30,000 Speaker 1: I partnered with this guy and he started, you know, 977 00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:33,600 Speaker 1: we started collaborating. So those are just part of the 978 00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:37,000 Speaker 1: hat collection and we made that especially for you because 979 00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:39,720 Speaker 1: we gotta we gotta join that. That says Bronx keeps 980 00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:42,240 Speaker 1: creating it and you know how to ship nor me. 981 00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:52,960 Speaker 1: Let's let's let's talk about that because when I when 982 00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:58,400 Speaker 1: I'm doing my research, it almost seemed like, I don't 983 00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:02,320 Speaker 1: want to say cool Hurt create hip hop. It seems 984 01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:07,480 Speaker 1: like Cool Herd had these parties that was famous that 985 01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:10,360 Speaker 1: people started to go to where he was playing these music. 986 01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:13,800 Speaker 1: But then there was you guys who came after that, 987 01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:17,000 Speaker 1: and you guys had your own parties. Is that somewhat accurate? 988 01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:19,520 Speaker 1: Let get the later ahead. When Cool Hirk was DJ 989 01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:21,840 Speaker 1: and he was kind of the big guy, was it? 990 01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:26,040 Speaker 1: Was it like August nineteen, which is the anniversary of 991 01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:27,920 Speaker 1: hip hop is coming up in a few days. Okay, 992 01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:32,640 Speaker 1: so he was doing the brand you hit the anniversary 993 01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:36,560 Speaker 1: of hip hop and hip hop months now supposedly in 994 01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:46,400 Speaker 1: the government. August month supposed to be the first hip 995 01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:50,160 Speaker 1: hop party ever, right, the first documented hip hop hip Now, 996 01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:52,520 Speaker 1: let me ask you where you did? I was, Okay, 997 01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:56,080 Speaker 1: I will never claim to be a lot of people 998 01:00:56,560 --> 01:01:01,880 Speaker 1: doing that. Yeah, didn't like the fucking room was wasn't 999 01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:06,120 Speaker 1: as big as space. Okay, it ain't it's not as big. 1000 01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:10,800 Speaker 1: It fit about sixties seventy people if they if they 1001 01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:13,640 Speaker 1: danced real close together, you know what I mean. And 1002 01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:17,160 Speaker 1: it was more of a family thing, like everybody knew 1003 01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:20,320 Speaker 1: everybody that was there. Twenty five cents for girls, fifty 1004 01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:23,480 Speaker 1: cents for guys to get in, all right. This is 1005 01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:30,400 Speaker 1: back when the exactly pillows. But the thing is not 1006 01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:35,040 Speaker 1: that Her convented hip hop, her conspired hip hop for 1007 01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:39,720 Speaker 1: the people that eventually became the hip hop like Hercan 1008 01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:45,680 Speaker 1: inspired me, hercuspired flash, Hercus fired belly, mel Pam Potta, 1009 01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:47,600 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Every you know what I mean. 1010 01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:50,960 Speaker 1: There was only one rival like DJ to hurt back then. 1011 01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:54,800 Speaker 1: His name was Smokey, and people don't talk about Smokey 1012 01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:57,200 Speaker 1: a lot smoking of her and the smoke of trons, 1013 01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:00,840 Speaker 1: all right, and they used to battle her in the po. 1014 01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:03,000 Speaker 1: Smokey could funk with him because he had the records 1015 01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:06,600 Speaker 1: and he had the sound system of trying to tell 1016 01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:11,000 Speaker 1: you it was another DJ Ja Mario, Okay, from from 1017 01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:14,880 Speaker 1: Brons there. Disco King Mario was a force over there, 1018 01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:17,480 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So these guys in their 1019 01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:21,240 Speaker 1: prospective areas held it down. But if you had to 1020 01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:25,600 Speaker 1: put them all together. They couldn't sunk with Hurt Sound System, right, right, 1021 01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:28,280 Speaker 1: So let me let me ask you, right, because me 1022 01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:32,120 Speaker 1: being from Queens, is this only happening in the Bronx 1023 01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:35,360 Speaker 1: at this time? Well, here's the thing went downtown at 1024 01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:37,920 Speaker 1: some point, Yeah, at some point. But but I want 1025 01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:40,720 Speaker 1: to be the first to say that I am the 1026 01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:43,920 Speaker 1: last motherfucker to try to say that hip hop was 1027 01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:48,280 Speaker 1: only going on in the Bronx. Okay, but if this 1028 01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:54,200 Speaker 1: kind of energy exists within us as a people and 1029 01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:56,960 Speaker 1: there's nothing that we're doing that somebody ain't over there 1030 01:02:57,080 --> 01:03:00,240 Speaker 1: doing at the same motherfucking time. Okay. So you I 1031 01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:03,120 Speaker 1: know that there was DJ's in Brooklyn, Okay, I know 1032 01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:06,680 Speaker 1: that there was djson Queens. I know there was DJs 1033 01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:09,920 Speaker 1: in Manhattan. So she wasn't wrong when he thought that 1034 01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:12,960 Speaker 1: hip hop. No, Shan didn't start him to say hip 1035 01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:17,919 Speaker 1: hop started for Shad. Hip hop started out in the park, 1036 01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:21,560 Speaker 1: and you can't dispute that for nobody. You know, for Russell, 1037 01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:24,520 Speaker 1: hip hop started somewhere you know different. He's done his 1038 01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:27,640 Speaker 1: research to know beyond that, but he can only tune 1039 01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:30,680 Speaker 1: in from a certain perspective, especially back then, whether you 1040 01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:33,480 Speaker 1: can't really communicate the way we can use from Canada 1041 01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:45,440 Speaker 1: to golds. He'sive, but so okay um now, but I 1042 01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:47,560 Speaker 1: want to go back to the question. Who was the 1043 01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:51,800 Speaker 1: first one that was cutting the brakes, bringing the brakes 1044 01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:55,000 Speaker 1: back to create that that breakbeat, that long breakbeat for 1045 01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:58,160 Speaker 1: the B Boys and be Girls Dance too. Hurt played 1046 01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:02,040 Speaker 1: him first, Yeah, and then the other DJs like Flash 1047 01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:07,840 Speaker 1: and Theodore and break Out perfected how to play them 1048 01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:10,640 Speaker 1: because her could player record and then when the break 1049 01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:13,800 Speaker 1: of off, lifting needle up and put it back to 1050 01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:17,760 Speaker 1: where it started, or just mixing a whole another record 1051 01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:20,880 Speaker 1: that sounds totally different. Hert wasn't cool, didn't have those 1052 01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:25,040 Speaker 1: smooth blends. He didn't have the you know, turntable um 1053 01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:30,200 Speaker 1: mechanics that DJs that followed him did. So now, uh, 1054 01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:33,600 Speaker 1: Grandmaster Flash looks at the playlist that HERK is playing 1055 01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:35,640 Speaker 1: and saying, Okay, I'm gonna get all those records, but 1056 01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:37,880 Speaker 1: I'm gonna play him and do it and do this 1057 01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:41,280 Speaker 1: to him, you know, I mean, Graham was the Theatore says, oh, ship, Flash, 1058 01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:44,600 Speaker 1: you're gonna leave your equipment in my brother house. Unguarded. 1059 01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:51,600 Speaker 1: He gets up on the turn table and advanced scratching. Okay, 1060 01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:55,960 Speaker 1: so everybody kind of added to this thing that eventually 1061 01:04:56,120 --> 01:05:01,840 Speaker 1: became the culture itself. But our uh, the person we 1062 01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:05,640 Speaker 1: looked looked up to was cool, hurt and even later 1063 01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:09,000 Speaker 1: on he could be an asshole, okay, but he is 1064 01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:12,200 Speaker 1: the father of hip hop as far as everybody that 1065 01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:15,880 Speaker 1: you respect in hip hop is concerned. Okay, So you 1066 01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:19,560 Speaker 1: can create another narrative and you can take us somewhere else, 1067 01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:22,560 Speaker 1: because like I said, nothing, nothing happens in no place 1068 01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:26,480 Speaker 1: want you know, by itself. But when they started to 1069 01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:30,280 Speaker 1: document hip hop, why did they come to the Bronx 1070 01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:34,640 Speaker 1: when they started to want to want to know about 1071 01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:36,560 Speaker 1: this and start to If you look at the history, 1072 01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:39,200 Speaker 1: it is always Why does it always lead back to us? 1073 01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:43,160 Speaker 1: Let's let's leave me to my next question. Right, there's 1074 01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:45,720 Speaker 1: a couple of books that said that actually started in 1075 01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:48,600 Speaker 1: the Harbor. Is there any true to that? I think 1076 01:05:48,680 --> 01:05:51,920 Speaker 1: it's simultaneously. There was a movement going on in Harlem 1077 01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:58,200 Speaker 1: as well, but Hallam was influenced by Hollywood. Hall DJ 1078 01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:03,040 Speaker 1: har Harder. I don't want to go man, my honey, 1079 01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:10,040 Speaker 1: bun hear me something of that young lays He's always 1080 01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:17,960 Speaker 1: want to um. But but but the personality of the 1081 01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:22,240 Speaker 1: Bronx is, you know, we come from burnt down buildings 1082 01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:26,000 Speaker 1: and you know, and ship like that. And Harlem's mentality 1083 01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:29,120 Speaker 1: is hustle, you know, the drug dealers, the you know, 1084 01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:31,840 Speaker 1: the hustle lifestyle to get money, you know, I mean, 1085 01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:35,760 Speaker 1: the cars and all that. So Harlom's attitude to the 1086 01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:40,400 Speaker 1: Bronx is like the niggas broke up there. And I 1087 01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:43,840 Speaker 1: heard Hollywood say that himself. You know, ship niggas in 1088 01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:46,880 Speaker 1: the Bronx was broke because it wasn't doing you know 1089 01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:49,680 Speaker 1: what I mean, because we we we had a different mentality. 1090 01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:52,720 Speaker 1: We were we was the creative mentality, you know what 1091 01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:55,360 Speaker 1: I mean, and the hustle mentality was the dope dealers 1092 01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:57,920 Speaker 1: and the drug dealers. So we created hip hop so 1093 01:06:58,040 --> 01:07:00,400 Speaker 1: we didn't have to be drug dealers and donte dealers. 1094 01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:03,200 Speaker 1: So now all the drug dealers are dope dealers. Is 1095 01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:08,960 Speaker 1: it hip hop? Yeah? I mean, but yeah, originally hip 1096 01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:10,880 Speaker 1: hop was made out of those people that you know, 1097 01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:12,160 Speaker 1: we didn't want to we don't want to do that. 1098 01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:14,360 Speaker 1: We're gonna do this. And when everybody was saying you 1099 01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:16,680 Speaker 1: sunk that ship, sunk that ship, we was a fun y'all, 1100 01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:27,440 Speaker 1: we're gonna do it anyway. Let me ask you, in 1101 01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:30,120 Speaker 1: these neighborhoods and these parties it was coming out, was 1102 01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:33,120 Speaker 1: it only locals or what's their people? What? What's that? 1103 01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:35,120 Speaker 1: Because we're not looked at a couple of the BEFORETI 1104 01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:37,320 Speaker 1: I'm looking at They're saying these early hip hop parties 1105 01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:40,480 Speaker 1: and I'm seeing white people. There is these white people 1106 01:07:40,520 --> 01:07:43,440 Speaker 1: that lived in the hood. I don't know how early Okay, 1107 01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:49,400 Speaker 1: most early early blacks and Porto Rico that's it. I mean, 1108 01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:55,919 Speaker 1: makings Caribbeans whatever alternatives and you know, maybe a couple 1109 01:07:55,960 --> 01:08:04,000 Speaker 1: of tallis slam but yeah, but yeah, but basically, you know, 1110 01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:06,880 Speaker 1: that's what it was. And but it wasn't until like 1111 01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:10,440 Speaker 1: not to say it became cool, but when it started 1112 01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:14,680 Speaker 1: reaching out past our neighborhoods, you know, white people started 1113 01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:17,400 Speaker 1: getting involved as well. There's a couple of white, early 1114 01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:19,880 Speaker 1: white dudes in hip hop shot the d j R 1115 01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:22,360 Speaker 1: rap or you know what I mean, So that the 1116 01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:26,719 Speaker 1: influence is just great. So um. And then also I'm 1117 01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:30,160 Speaker 1: watching uh evolution of hip hop and I think it's 1118 01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:33,240 Speaker 1: Grandmaster Flash who says, you know what, he's gonna start 1119 01:08:33,400 --> 01:08:37,120 Speaker 1: taking it downtown. Was that considered whack for y'all to 1120 01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:39,479 Speaker 1: go downtown or was that like, you know what, we're 1121 01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:45,599 Speaker 1: gonna gonna gonna follow the bag basically bambada. And when 1122 01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:47,680 Speaker 1: we say in downtown, we're not saying hallo, no, no, 1123 01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:52,920 Speaker 1: we're talking about downtown, Downtown, the Rocky and and those 1124 01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:55,760 Speaker 1: punk rock clubs. The Rocky was Downtown, the rock syn 1125 01:08:55,840 --> 01:09:05,760 Speaker 1: was on Hunter eighteen eight, and the punk rock clings 1126 01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:12,040 Speaker 1: to that first first started entertaining hip hop as a culture. 1127 01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:15,000 Speaker 1: First the dances really opened them up, and then the 1128 01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:18,479 Speaker 1: dancing need DJ so the scratching of the DJs. See 1129 01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:21,400 Speaker 1: that the punk rock era and the hip hop era 1130 01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:25,439 Speaker 1: started rising up at the same time, and both and 1131 01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:29,200 Speaker 1: both of them, both of them was the rebellion counterculture 1132 01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:32,880 Speaker 1: right to the music that preceded it. So prior to 1133 01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:36,080 Speaker 1: hip hop, it was disco. So you know, hip hop 1134 01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:38,960 Speaker 1: is like disco, we're gonna do this. Punk rock is 1135 01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:41,800 Speaker 1: like funk rock, We're gonna do this. So those same 1136 01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:44,880 Speaker 1: energies was was kind of coming together at the same time. 1137 01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:47,040 Speaker 1: So that's what opened up the door for hip hop 1138 01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:50,080 Speaker 1: to come down into those clubs, into those early punk 1139 01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:54,640 Speaker 1: rock clubs and then promoters uh grasp on on to 1140 01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:58,600 Speaker 1: the B Boys. The B Boys were captured everybody's imagination 1141 01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:02,200 Speaker 1: as far as drawing them in to hip hop music 1142 01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:05,600 Speaker 1: to dance. Then the DJs became a main stake, you 1143 01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:08,320 Speaker 1: know what I mean. So the rap element was really 1144 01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:11,519 Speaker 1: the last element to really chick in as far as 1145 01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:14,080 Speaker 1: people really digging his whole ship as a as a 1146 01:10:14,160 --> 01:10:17,600 Speaker 1: whole and downtown, the B Boys led the way. So 1147 01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:20,040 Speaker 1: what do you think about when, Okay, all this music 1148 01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:22,240 Speaker 1: is going now, is this group called the Beastie Boys 1149 01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:26,040 Speaker 1: who are deliberately saying they're not from the hood. That's 1150 01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:31,160 Speaker 1: the result of what he's talking about. Yeah, pretty much. 1151 01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:35,960 Speaker 1: Pretty the beast he started as a punk band. Yeah 1152 01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:39,519 Speaker 1: they are. That's where they come from. And and and 1153 01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:42,240 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest, I mean to be honest, please 1154 01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:45,800 Speaker 1: Earlier we all, I mean, from the time these the 1155 01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:50,000 Speaker 1: next generation came out, we understood that our our error 1156 01:10:50,120 --> 01:10:55,200 Speaker 1: was over. And the more people came out, the worst. 1157 01:10:55,560 --> 01:10:58,760 Speaker 1: You know, it's got I'm not the worst, but the 1158 01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:02,639 Speaker 1: father away it got from from what we were from 1159 01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:06,800 Speaker 1: the source exactly. So the Beastie Boys, for me and 1160 01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:09,479 Speaker 1: for some of us, was kind of the defining moment 1161 01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:12,760 Speaker 1: like okay, this ship is gone. It's gone. And so 1162 01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:14,880 Speaker 1: at first you like, all right, that's cool. Or he 1163 01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:18,519 Speaker 1: was like many wilding, there was like college dorm wrap, 1164 01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:22,439 Speaker 1: I mean, but who became like okay, you could do anything. 1165 01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:25,799 Speaker 1: There's no there's no norm, there's no you know, we weren't. 1166 01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:30,080 Speaker 1: We weren't Kumbaya on this ship. Man. Everybody look at 1167 01:11:30,160 --> 01:11:32,760 Speaker 1: you know him hub like, oh those guys were and 1168 01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:36,479 Speaker 1: the ship was cut thoat man, everybody, for everybody, anybody, 1169 01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:39,519 Speaker 1: for thisself. If I'm done with Russ and y'all, y'all 1170 01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:41,560 Speaker 1: done with each other, we don't funk with y'all. We 1171 01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:44,120 Speaker 1: funk with each other. You might funk with him, but 1172 01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:46,960 Speaker 1: we don't funk with you, you know what I mean 1173 01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:50,040 Speaker 1: as a whole. And and that's that's how it was, 1174 01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:54,000 Speaker 1: you know. And it wasn't until later on. You know, 1175 01:11:54,800 --> 01:12:00,240 Speaker 1: now we're all in the same boat. Motherfucker. We Oh 1176 01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:06,800 Speaker 1: school girl, ain't you ain't on tour nig right here? 1177 01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:14,640 Speaker 1: So could we kind of bonded, you know, you know 1178 01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:17,400 Speaker 1: this ship we had in common that our ship then 1179 01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:21,720 Speaker 1: fucking sale. So anybody who kind of reached beyond that, 1180 01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:25,320 Speaker 1: that that next era. Uh let's like Grand Master Flash 1181 01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:28,679 Speaker 1: and the Furious Five for example. Um kind of went 1182 01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:31,760 Speaker 1: beyond that first school of hip hop and into the next. 1183 01:12:31,880 --> 01:12:34,680 Speaker 1: You know that because because they had commercial success as 1184 01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:40,479 Speaker 1: far as records and you know what I mean, but 1185 01:12:41,880 --> 01:12:44,200 Speaker 1: they did I mean the next crew. Like I said, 1186 01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:46,439 Speaker 1: when the Best Buds came in, it was like a 1187 01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:49,519 Speaker 1: more of a signal like this is getting further away 1188 01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:52,599 Speaker 1: from us, you know what I mean, because when when 1189 01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:55,040 Speaker 1: we don't have no control, one DMC has success, but 1190 01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:58,080 Speaker 1: you still identify with one DMC. This was how they 1191 01:12:58,720 --> 01:13:00,920 Speaker 1: dressed before you got to the club. BC Boys was 1192 01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:04,559 Speaker 1: something that was was different. Well, I think BC Boys 1193 01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:08,240 Speaker 1: was a novelty, you know, like to offset in the 1194 01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:12,320 Speaker 1: run DMC. Anytime there's a black group that has success 1195 01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:17,240 Speaker 1: in business, they created a white counterpart group to rival 1196 01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:20,719 Speaker 1: as success or to surpass it, and which the BC 1197 01:13:20,840 --> 01:13:25,000 Speaker 1: Boys did surpass the success commercial success a run DMC. 1198 01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:28,200 Speaker 1: But if you own both entities, then it's a no 1199 01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:32,120 Speaker 1: lose situation for you. Well, running was technically on depth 1200 01:13:32,200 --> 01:13:35,839 Speaker 1: jam no no, no, no, I know that it's all Russian, 1201 01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:39,120 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? You know? So, uh so 1202 01:13:39,320 --> 01:13:41,000 Speaker 1: for us, it was like you know, there it is. 1203 01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:44,120 Speaker 1: And then as as everybody started coming in, it was 1204 01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:46,920 Speaker 1: like a fucking parade, you know what I mean, And 1205 01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:49,720 Speaker 1: the LLL came and then oh it's a rap now, 1206 01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:55,680 Speaker 1: it's a rap now. But it started, I mean, for me, 1207 01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:57,840 Speaker 1: at some point it started getting cool. It was like, 1208 01:13:57,960 --> 01:14:01,439 Speaker 1: you know what, this is the next eggers, man, these 1209 01:14:01,479 --> 01:14:04,040 Speaker 1: are the niggas. And I would see things in me 1210 01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:07,880 Speaker 1: and I know you might not know, but you got 1211 01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:09,960 Speaker 1: that ship from me. I can see me and you 1212 01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:13,160 Speaker 1: you know. And that's what kept me attached to this ship. 1213 01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:18,800 Speaker 1: Everybody that come out, it's part of me, right, no 1214 01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:26,880 Speaker 1: it or not. Everybody traced back to me. Talk that 1215 01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:33,000 Speaker 1: to him. Another shot for that. So and then we're 1216 01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:34,600 Speaker 1: gonna do something called quick time, my slim. But I 1217 01:14:34,680 --> 01:14:37,519 Speaker 1: want to ask you a quick because as I did 1218 01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:40,960 Speaker 1: the research, like I said, it boiled down to more 1219 01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:44,960 Speaker 1: of not really cool her on records, but cool her 1220 01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:48,080 Speaker 1: on parties, like throwing these jams that people were coming to. 1221 01:14:48,479 --> 01:14:50,680 Speaker 1: Then I started to realize that it was like you 1222 01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:56,360 Speaker 1: African Bambada Grandmaster Flash, but this is these parties. These 1223 01:14:56,400 --> 01:15:01,840 Speaker 1: tapes were circulating of these you guys actually party. Is 1224 01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:06,439 Speaker 1: that accurate? For what I'm saying, like, there was one 1225 01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:10,560 Speaker 1: mix tape that started circling around, uh in the I 1226 01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:13,519 Speaker 1: think in the early eighties of the late seventies. That's 1227 01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:15,880 Speaker 1: the one that everybody credits has for. That's like, that's 1228 01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:18,559 Speaker 1: when if you hear DMC do an interview. He always 1229 01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:20,760 Speaker 1: been like, yeah, that's every single time. I was like, 1230 01:15:20,840 --> 01:15:28,880 Speaker 1: I had that tape and it changed money. I didn't 1231 01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:34,439 Speaker 1: I didn't get what you were doing. Its changed on 1232 01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:43,960 Speaker 1: my mind. Salute to DMC. Then he just sent me 1233 01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:47,800 Speaker 1: d So. So what I'm saying is, um, it was 1234 01:15:48,439 --> 01:15:51,479 Speaker 1: these tapes to tape that circle circling around. Was it 1235 01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:54,280 Speaker 1: battle tapes or was it party tapes? It was party 1236 01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:57,960 Speaker 1: tapes and battle tapes. Yeah, you know at first, Um, 1237 01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:03,559 Speaker 1: I mean, I'll go back to when if you live 1238 01:16:03,640 --> 01:16:05,960 Speaker 1: in my hood and you wanted a B boy tape 1239 01:16:06,040 --> 01:16:07,960 Speaker 1: like the jams that you're here at the parties, but 1240 01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:13,000 Speaker 1: you ain't got kind of my house, Sit on, sit 1241 01:16:13,080 --> 01:16:17,360 Speaker 1: on the couch, what's your name? What's your girl name? 1242 01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:21,519 Speaker 1: Where you live at school? You go to who's your 1243 01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:25,280 Speaker 1: man's in them? All right? Boom, all right, turn around, 1244 01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:28,080 Speaker 1: get on the mic, turn my ship on and then 1245 01:16:28,160 --> 01:16:31,120 Speaker 1: played great beasts and just talk about the nigger dropped 1246 01:16:31,120 --> 01:16:37,439 Speaker 1: the tape. All that. Now, I wasn't until we started 1247 01:16:37,479 --> 01:16:41,040 Speaker 1: doing parties and and and recording the entire party. Those 1248 01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:44,200 Speaker 1: are the motherfucker's tapes and started spreading. It became kind 1249 01:16:44,240 --> 01:16:47,519 Speaker 1: of a like the holy Grail of hip hop. If 1250 01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:49,240 Speaker 1: you want to trace the sound, if you want to 1251 01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:53,200 Speaker 1: hear live hip hop at its earliest point, you gotta 1252 01:16:53,280 --> 01:16:55,240 Speaker 1: have one of those cassette tapes. It goes back to 1253 01:16:55,320 --> 01:16:58,720 Speaker 1: those cassettes. It's got sampled all throughout. So now people yeah, 1254 01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:01,880 Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah people? Is it frivolously? And like I said, 1255 01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:04,080 Speaker 1: if we would have had a control of that ship, 1256 01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:07,800 Speaker 1: people couldn't just people would get paid for that, you 1257 01:17:07,880 --> 01:17:09,920 Speaker 1: know what I mean. But I've heard numerous samples from 1258 01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:15,200 Speaker 1: most school chaps. I think I'm on one for uh back, 1259 01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:20,840 Speaker 1: oh yeah yeah, and what are you sample? It's me 1260 01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:25,599 Speaker 1: talking at a party. We need to we granted needs 1261 01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:29,800 Speaker 1: to check yeah yeah back get the check back. Yeah. 1262 01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:32,160 Speaker 1: So so yeah, I mean those those that was how 1263 01:17:32,240 --> 01:17:35,280 Speaker 1: people first heard hip hop live. Let so let me 1264 01:17:35,320 --> 01:17:39,439 Speaker 1: ask you, right, um, this controversy thing came out. We 1265 01:17:39,520 --> 01:17:41,840 Speaker 1: had care rests one on here and when we asked 1266 01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:44,280 Speaker 1: care rests one about this. It this was like three 1267 01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:46,840 Speaker 1: days old, you know, care Rest he'd be on boats. 1268 01:17:46,880 --> 01:17:48,920 Speaker 1: He didn't know what was going on when we asked 1269 01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:51,720 Speaker 1: him this question. But it was a controversiy thing that 1270 01:17:51,760 --> 01:17:54,960 Speaker 1: came out about African bat bottom right, just stripped the 1271 01:17:55,040 --> 01:17:57,920 Speaker 1: thing off the thing. This is one of our forefathers 1272 01:17:58,240 --> 01:18:02,160 Speaker 1: of hip hop. But it wasn't only just one thing. 1273 01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:04,280 Speaker 1: It wasn't only just one person. There was a couple 1274 01:18:04,320 --> 01:18:08,320 Speaker 1: of people that came out and with these allegations. What 1275 01:18:08,520 --> 01:18:11,040 Speaker 1: what did what did you think of that? Um? I 1276 01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:13,760 Speaker 1: thought it was crazy. I mean, like everybody else, I know, 1277 01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:17,160 Speaker 1: at some point people, you know, it was going around 1278 01:18:17,320 --> 01:18:21,280 Speaker 1: that the hip hop community knew about this, and the 1279 01:18:21,400 --> 01:18:29,000 Speaker 1: hip hop community didn't know about this. Nobody had no evidence, No, um, 1280 01:18:29,680 --> 01:18:32,280 Speaker 1: I don't want to cameras. Everything was pretty much speculation 1281 01:18:32,439 --> 01:18:35,160 Speaker 1: because you Bam. You never see Bam with you know, 1282 01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:40,519 Speaker 1: females that much, you know what I mean, or a 1283 01:18:40,600 --> 01:18:43,280 Speaker 1: lot of young guys used to be around Bam, like 1284 01:18:43,479 --> 01:18:46,280 Speaker 1: you know, like he had a little legion of young 1285 01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:50,040 Speaker 1: cats around him from from Zulu. But other than that, nobody, 1286 01:18:51,479 --> 01:18:53,760 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, nobody knows so for for 1287 01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:56,559 Speaker 1: somebody to say that everybody knew it was a well 1288 01:18:56,680 --> 01:18:59,240 Speaker 1: known fact. Now it was no ship like that. I 1289 01:18:59,400 --> 01:19:02,719 Speaker 1: was just a show actor, surprise as every fucking body else, 1290 01:19:03,560 --> 01:19:06,439 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So we're gonna do this, 1291 01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:10,200 Speaker 1: this called quick time with slip. It's so very You 1292 01:19:10,320 --> 01:19:12,320 Speaker 1: just answer one or the other, both of you, guys. 1293 01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:13,960 Speaker 1: And if you say if you say both, you take 1294 01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:17,639 Speaker 1: a shot. If you say nothing, neither, you take a shot. 1295 01:19:19,560 --> 01:19:22,320 Speaker 1: But if you you answer, then your shot shot. All right? Cool? 1296 01:19:22,360 --> 01:19:23,880 Speaker 1: See you want to you want to get your shots 1297 01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:27,840 Speaker 1: lined up? We're joining were joining br my Japanese whiske. 1298 01:19:27,880 --> 01:19:35,800 Speaker 1: Let me get the jope. Yeah, you see, every glad 1299 01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:44,360 Speaker 1: that's the man. The man is right here, keeping with 1300 01:19:44,479 --> 01:19:47,160 Speaker 1: the shot. Knock out the whiskey because I don't know 1301 01:19:47,240 --> 01:19:50,000 Speaker 1: whiskey guy. The last time I was on, I don't 1302 01:19:53,280 --> 01:19:56,639 Speaker 1: just shot. Yeah, get him a shot last? Please? Anybody 1303 01:19:56,640 --> 01:19:59,920 Speaker 1: got the shot last? Well? I think we used them all. 1304 01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:05,719 Speaker 1: We need someone? All right, cool, we're ready asking me both. 1305 01:20:06,200 --> 01:20:09,439 Speaker 1: You have to wait, okay, mr no oh, you need 1306 01:20:09,479 --> 01:20:13,200 Speaker 1: a shot classes okay, no for And by the way, 1307 01:20:13,439 --> 01:20:16,439 Speaker 1: go watch the Indian Detective, y'all. It's really good. Yeah, yeah, please, yeah, 1308 01:20:16,600 --> 01:20:25,360 Speaker 1: smoke that please. Yeah. We got grandmas a cast Holy moly, berry, 1309 01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:28,040 Speaker 1: let me get the lane, got you man, somebody else 1310 01:20:28,040 --> 01:20:30,639 Speaker 1: give us a lighting. Man were over held wet sponsor. 1311 01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:38,479 Speaker 1: Tell Noriya, we're gonna bust on these. You can be 1312 01:20:38,479 --> 01:20:39,920 Speaker 1: a cup. I gonna put you up right now. Baby, 1313 01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:42,240 Speaker 1: you gotta keep the coach alive. I've got damn it, 1314 01:20:42,439 --> 01:20:44,040 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. We also got black old dude, 1315 01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:45,840 Speaker 1: say it's over here too. We got some rock to 1316 01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:51,200 Speaker 1: old black wana. Ma wanna what is that? Dominican? Is 1317 01:20:51,240 --> 01:20:57,439 Speaker 1: a dominican't well knows what it is? This one has wrong? 1318 01:20:57,760 --> 01:21:02,200 Speaker 1: My mama? Ain't that the ship dren three? Yeah? Woman Earth, 1319 01:21:02,680 --> 01:21:05,360 Speaker 1: you could do vood with this. Yeah, yeah, you know 1320 01:21:05,439 --> 01:21:07,519 Speaker 1: it's crazy. Then the other day I got a little 1321 01:21:07,560 --> 01:21:10,880 Speaker 1: fucking bottle of mama wanna myers appeared at your house. 1322 01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:13,639 Speaker 1: I don't know a little a little left it did. Yeah, 1323 01:21:13,640 --> 01:21:15,920 Speaker 1: I thought somebody. I thought some ship was gone wrong 1324 01:21:15,960 --> 01:21:18,600 Speaker 1: with the bottle I had that the fucking bark was 1325 01:21:18,680 --> 01:21:27,400 Speaker 1: growing them. Oh yeah, that's why I'm good. Shot Glass 1326 01:21:27,439 --> 01:21:31,559 Speaker 1: just take that right. Yeah, but poor shot though, motherfucker. Alright, alright, cool, 1327 01:21:31,800 --> 01:21:35,720 Speaker 1: are you ready? This one? Is gonna be very I 1328 01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:38,920 Speaker 1: know what, I know what you're gonna say. I don't 1329 01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:44,519 Speaker 1: know what you're gonna say. Okay, jay Z ornas jay 1330 01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:48,160 Speaker 1: Z because the overcar charging niggas, But what they did 1331 01:21:48,240 --> 01:21:52,960 Speaker 1: to the goddamnit jay Z, that's a tough question for me. 1332 01:21:53,320 --> 01:21:59,479 Speaker 1: It is, yeah, because again Jay has a longevity, but 1333 01:21:59,600 --> 01:22:03,400 Speaker 1: to me has the better voice. So you're taking a 1334 01:22:03,439 --> 01:22:05,160 Speaker 1: shot for that, I guess I'm taking a shot. Take 1335 01:22:05,160 --> 01:22:14,479 Speaker 1: a shot for that complicated they wish DMX or Tupac. 1336 01:22:16,200 --> 01:22:21,439 Speaker 1: We're right, DMX, see him looking over you, right, you'll 1337 01:22:21,439 --> 01:22:24,160 Speaker 1: see him looking over you. Yeah, all right, so actually 1338 01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:37,280 Speaker 1: but yeah, okay, cool, So that's no shot. Okay, eightlies 1339 01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:46,479 Speaker 1: hip hop or nineties hip hop. If I had to pick, 1340 01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:49,280 Speaker 1: if I had to pick one over the other and 1341 01:22:49,400 --> 01:22:53,920 Speaker 1: I wasn't from either era, nineties hip got me on 1342 01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:58,960 Speaker 1: that one. Did not think nineties Golden era? All right, 1343 01:22:59,400 --> 01:23:05,599 Speaker 1: run them see out the locks? Locks? Wow, he said 1344 01:23:05,640 --> 01:23:08,880 Speaker 1: that quickly, too funny style that I love the locks, 1345 01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:11,160 Speaker 1: but I gotta ride with run DMC on this. You 1346 01:23:11,240 --> 01:23:15,000 Speaker 1: got the hat the locks. I mean as far as 1347 01:23:15,160 --> 01:23:20,880 Speaker 1: like lyrical or whatever whatever your criteria. Alright, podcasts or 1348 01:23:20,960 --> 01:23:28,639 Speaker 1: radio podcast, podcast, since I have one culturally canceled. Alright 1349 01:23:29,400 --> 01:23:33,280 Speaker 1: out now subscribe a radio, have a podcast, have a podcast. 1350 01:23:33,439 --> 01:23:40,280 Speaker 1: Rock Him a big daddy came, m hm, he's tough. 1351 01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:46,000 Speaker 1: You do get take a shot. If you don't want 1352 01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:47,840 Speaker 1: to answer, it's okay. Well if you say both. You 1353 01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:53,559 Speaker 1: know that I like how you stuck by the way. 1354 01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:56,280 Speaker 1: I love that. I love that. Maybe you know you 1355 01:23:56,400 --> 01:23:58,360 Speaker 1: thinking let me help, let me help with the criteria. 1356 01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:02,120 Speaker 1: Live is one thing, and on records another thing. We 1357 01:24:02,640 --> 01:24:07,240 Speaker 1: did do another shot. Let's tick to the program with 1358 01:24:08,120 --> 01:24:09,559 Speaker 1: the fact that you're thinking about it that much. Let's 1359 01:24:09,560 --> 01:24:13,720 Speaker 1: take a shot, brog He came, Yeah, I gotta go 1360 01:24:13,840 --> 01:24:16,080 Speaker 1: cane as well. And as you're saying the live aspect, 1361 01:24:16,240 --> 01:24:18,519 Speaker 1: I'm speaking based on live as I've seen rock Him 1362 01:24:18,520 --> 01:24:20,679 Speaker 1: in a couple of times, and I love rock Him alright. 1363 01:24:20,840 --> 01:24:24,000 Speaker 1: Rock Him is a fucking game changer. You know what 1364 01:24:24,120 --> 01:24:27,719 Speaker 1: he did. He slowed everything the funk down when everybody 1365 01:24:27,880 --> 01:24:34,439 Speaker 1: was screaming and ship, yeah, the microphones in cool ship. 1366 01:24:34,680 --> 01:24:38,639 Speaker 1: You know, he made his slamet the puzzle. Comp can't 1367 01:24:38,680 --> 01:24:41,720 Speaker 1: be mad at him. But I'm I'm a lyricist and 1368 01:24:42,200 --> 01:24:44,400 Speaker 1: and proud to say that one of the people that 1369 01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:48,479 Speaker 1: rock him looks up to as a mentor as far 1370 01:24:48,560 --> 01:24:51,000 Speaker 1: as lyrically, you know what I mean in being MC 1371 01:24:51,680 --> 01:24:53,920 Speaker 1: And same thing for Kane, you know what I mean 1372 01:24:54,040 --> 01:24:56,920 Speaker 1: that he's to him, im his father as far as 1373 01:24:57,439 --> 01:25:05,559 Speaker 1: you know in this game. Yeah, my, but I got 1374 01:25:05,640 --> 01:25:08,040 Speaker 1: a different eye when it comes to you know, and 1375 01:25:08,120 --> 01:25:10,120 Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't say judging, but as far 1376 01:25:10,160 --> 01:25:13,800 Speaker 1: as my opinion on on artists, I got a different 1377 01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:17,040 Speaker 1: eye than most people. Yeah. I mean if he was 1378 01:25:17,120 --> 01:25:22,840 Speaker 1: a master fucking lyricist okay and show person and co 1379 01:25:23,120 --> 01:25:27,000 Speaker 1: creator of hip hop, then you could have the same 1380 01:25:27,160 --> 01:25:31,679 Speaker 1: vision you know what I mean? And am not? Yeah, 1381 01:25:31,960 --> 01:25:39,920 Speaker 1: pretty well, so you went with I want we came 1382 01:25:40,080 --> 01:25:45,240 Speaker 1: because I mean as if you put two niggas on 1383 01:25:45,320 --> 01:25:49,600 Speaker 1: the mic once it gives you each other. Kane, we 1384 01:25:49,640 --> 01:25:54,960 Speaker 1: want to see versus we want to live. Yeah, they 1385 01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:57,280 Speaker 1: would have to do it live and can got some 1386 01:25:57,360 --> 01:26:00,479 Speaker 1: ship that people even heard that well, just so let 1387 01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:05,439 Speaker 1: let's let's go to the next Kumo Dulgi Rap. I 1388 01:26:05,479 --> 01:26:08,280 Speaker 1: would have to give the edge to Coolgi Rap though 1389 01:26:08,400 --> 01:26:11,320 Speaker 1: I am the DJ for Kumo D you know what 1390 01:26:11,360 --> 01:26:18,400 Speaker 1: I mean, And Kumo dmon Kumod myself and Malie Malice 1391 01:26:18,479 --> 01:26:23,400 Speaker 1: considered the holy trinity of sucking m c's. You know 1392 01:26:23,479 --> 01:26:26,599 Speaker 1: what I mean, the first holy trinity at m c's. 1393 01:26:27,320 --> 01:26:34,759 Speaker 1: And but commercially, if you're broke, broken, it stopped. Nigger. 1394 01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:38,559 Speaker 1: Oh that's whipping whip. Okay, okay, goddamn it, it's going 1395 01:26:39,960 --> 01:26:41,920 Speaker 1: tell them to take a shot where we at. You're 1396 01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:58,720 Speaker 1: with y'all, say what's up? I'm on drink Champs. Yo, 1397 01:26:58,840 --> 01:27:03,320 Speaker 1: I'm on drink Champs. Y'all with Nori and ain'tbody cans 1398 01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:05,280 Speaker 1: with mute his phone. But he's sixty one years older. 1399 01:27:06,200 --> 01:27:09,800 Speaker 1: Maybe don't mind, you don't mind, he's Grandmaster Bells. You 1400 01:27:09,880 --> 01:27:23,759 Speaker 1: went with Cougi Yeah, yeah, Rick or Duggie Fresh flick again. 1401 01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:27,920 Speaker 1: I gotta go with the live, the live aspect, Dougie. 1402 01:27:28,479 --> 01:27:31,720 Speaker 1: If you're talking lyrically, are we talking lyrics? Whatever that 1403 01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:34,600 Speaker 1: is for you want to be it's really what you 1404 01:27:34,680 --> 01:27:38,880 Speaker 1: trying to do. These dresses is supposed to be tough. 1405 01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:44,160 Speaker 1: Nobody got a show like Douggie Fresh. Nobody Fresh. Yeah, 1406 01:27:44,160 --> 01:27:48,040 Speaker 1: but Douggie hosting a show it will sucking. Make your 1407 01:27:48,040 --> 01:27:55,639 Speaker 1: party go? Okay, fat fire Freddy or I love who's 1408 01:27:55,640 --> 01:27:59,040 Speaker 1: hosting your party? If you got one person to host 1409 01:27:59,120 --> 01:28:03,880 Speaker 1: your ship. I think I give that love of the edge. 1410 01:28:04,479 --> 01:28:08,160 Speaker 1: I give that love of the edge. I mean what 1411 01:28:08,360 --> 01:28:10,400 Speaker 1: era is what I'm talking about now seeing maybe the 1412 01:28:10,680 --> 01:28:14,920 Speaker 1: way too complicated to do Overthink who's got a better 1413 01:28:14,960 --> 01:28:19,920 Speaker 1: live show? I mean fab five, Freddie's more, he got 1414 01:28:19,960 --> 01:28:22,599 Speaker 1: more white bitches. We established that. Yeah, nobody's also Okay, 1415 01:28:22,640 --> 01:28:25,360 Speaker 1: he's also a little more friendly to the people. Loves 1416 01:28:25,400 --> 01:28:27,519 Speaker 1: not and love is cool with me. But I'm just saying, 1417 01:28:27,720 --> 01:28:29,720 Speaker 1: you see him be a dickhead. Nine seeing him be 1418 01:28:29,720 --> 01:28:32,800 Speaker 1: a dickhead. But you seen him signed the autograph. Not 1419 01:28:32,880 --> 01:28:34,880 Speaker 1: take a picture. Let's just go. I remember one time 1420 01:28:34,960 --> 01:28:39,000 Speaker 1: twenty five years ago, he wanted the limo to himself. 1421 01:28:39,080 --> 01:28:41,760 Speaker 1: It's all I'm saying. He kicked you out. No, he 1422 01:28:41,800 --> 01:28:44,120 Speaker 1: just wouldn't let nobody in. I mean he's making a 1423 01:28:44,400 --> 01:28:52,240 Speaker 1: pay for that love. And I love that lover asshole. Okay. 1424 01:28:52,640 --> 01:28:58,400 Speaker 1: MTV raps or rap City or rap City Yeah wow, 1425 01:29:03,280 --> 01:29:09,640 Speaker 1: MTV rat Yeah yeah, yeah, fact Okay, big yeah, Big 1426 01:29:13,240 --> 01:29:17,200 Speaker 1: big El. I'm I'm a diehard Biggie fan and I 1427 01:29:17,320 --> 01:29:20,240 Speaker 1: love big El. He's like right there with it. Okay, 1428 01:29:21,280 --> 01:29:27,800 Speaker 1: Red Alert Boosey, be alert. Read Uncle Red Okay, I 1429 01:29:27,840 --> 01:29:29,599 Speaker 1: don't know why they got this here, but Wild Style 1430 01:29:29,680 --> 01:29:32,880 Speaker 1: of B Street Brucy be my dude, though, that's my dude. 1431 01:29:32,920 --> 01:29:35,640 Speaker 1: He came up right under me. Man, But read if 1432 01:29:35,680 --> 01:29:38,040 Speaker 1: I was gonna hire somebody, and I could only hire 1433 01:29:38,160 --> 01:29:41,679 Speaker 1: one person, that'd be read alert Wild Style of B Street. 1434 01:29:41,680 --> 01:29:47,360 Speaker 1: You already it wasn't n B Street Wild Style all day. 1435 01:29:47,800 --> 01:29:51,560 Speaker 1: And while Style was the first and west authentic of 1436 01:29:51,680 --> 01:29:53,880 Speaker 1: all of all of those movies, the first time I 1437 01:29:53,920 --> 01:29:56,040 Speaker 1: saw a Wild Style thought was a documentary. That's what 1438 01:29:56,120 --> 01:29:58,960 Speaker 1: we're saying. And you know that version of Wild Sty 1439 01:29:59,040 --> 01:30:01,080 Speaker 1: that you have right there, it's the bootleg. It's not 1440 01:30:01,160 --> 01:30:06,600 Speaker 1: the boots like it's the but you know, but you 1441 01:30:06,680 --> 01:30:11,880 Speaker 1: know he was first. I'll tell you what's different on 1442 01:30:11,960 --> 01:30:14,759 Speaker 1: that one is when there's a scene of Grandmaster Flashes 1443 01:30:14,760 --> 01:30:17,840 Speaker 1: cutting up live on the original, he's cutting up Marty 1444 01:30:17,880 --> 01:30:22,120 Speaker 1: Grass and they couldn't clear it. They couldn't clear audio 1445 01:30:22,240 --> 01:30:24,080 Speaker 1: for something else, but you don't even know what it is. 1446 01:30:24,120 --> 01:30:28,160 Speaker 1: They put another another beat in there. That's how much 1447 01:30:28,200 --> 01:30:30,600 Speaker 1: of a nerd I am for this ship. Okay, And 1448 01:30:32,520 --> 01:30:34,800 Speaker 1: two that that's when the movie came out, But that's 1449 01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:36,920 Speaker 1: not when that is right, right right. One that came 1450 01:30:36,960 --> 01:30:38,640 Speaker 1: out for that was like a yellow copy was just 1451 01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:41,439 Speaker 1: it was mad cheap looking. I got it at kmart 1452 01:30:41,479 --> 01:30:49,880 Speaker 1: and eighty four. Okay, I'll be sure what he thought 1453 01:30:50,240 --> 01:30:54,280 Speaker 1: he was thinking was playing out. I mean you never know, man, 1454 01:30:54,360 --> 01:30:57,920 Speaker 1: I'll be sure it was dropping some ship. Just battle 1455 01:30:57,960 --> 01:31:02,320 Speaker 1: of the light skin niggers do get got it? I 1456 01:31:02,400 --> 01:31:05,519 Speaker 1: gotta give it that else good. Yeah, I mean listen, 1457 01:31:05,560 --> 01:31:07,840 Speaker 1: I remember my only compliment that ever got when I 1458 01:31:07,960 --> 01:31:11,400 Speaker 1: was like in the early nineties was a girl because 1459 01:31:11,439 --> 01:31:17,680 Speaker 1: I had I always wanted to be all, let's pick 1460 01:31:17,760 --> 01:31:25,880 Speaker 1: up that girl and the like, I ain't sure, I'll 1461 01:31:25,880 --> 01:31:37,160 Speaker 1: be late, I'll be damn orr Fesse, I mean, you 1462 01:31:37,240 --> 01:31:38,800 Speaker 1: know the shots like that. Just in case you know 1463 01:31:38,840 --> 01:31:40,920 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You ain't got you ain't got to 1464 01:31:40,960 --> 01:31:44,439 Speaker 1: pick anything on jobs. I'll answered before you, just to 1465 01:31:44,479 --> 01:31:50,679 Speaker 1: make it easier for you. No, no, I don't need that. Lord. 1466 01:31:50,760 --> 01:31:57,559 Speaker 1: Finesse Okay, Finesse is my brother, Like we we lived together. 1467 01:31:57,680 --> 01:31:59,720 Speaker 1: So I mean, you know, sounds a little crazy. Not 1468 01:31:59,840 --> 01:32:06,240 Speaker 1: like that, okay. That digging in the crate, not digging 1469 01:32:06,280 --> 01:32:10,360 Speaker 1: in the crotches. He's no, that is my man. I mean, 1470 01:32:11,280 --> 01:32:20,840 Speaker 1: so hey, you look, even Whitey loves Let me just 1471 01:32:20,960 --> 01:32:26,600 Speaker 1: say it. We gotta get him on your show. So 1472 01:32:26,680 --> 01:32:29,479 Speaker 1: you're going off and I gotta go yeah, And I 1473 01:32:29,560 --> 01:32:33,080 Speaker 1: love Guru this one. I really want to dig to 1474 01:32:33,160 --> 01:32:36,719 Speaker 1: see what y'all gonna say on this one. DJ Premier 1475 01:32:37,840 --> 01:32:42,880 Speaker 1: more Large Professor, DJ, that was very easy, and I 1476 01:32:43,000 --> 01:32:45,680 Speaker 1: love I love Large Professor, but Large Pro was like 1477 01:32:46,720 --> 01:32:51,519 Speaker 1: in that next conversation, that's why the name is. That's 1478 01:32:51,560 --> 01:32:57,679 Speaker 1: why his name is Premier. He's Premier. He's like Large 1479 01:32:57,720 --> 01:33:12,280 Speaker 1: Pro was the next Marley m HM Forrell or Kanye creatively, 1480 01:33:17,160 --> 01:33:22,800 Speaker 1: who's that shot? My man? My handy blood kaved some 1481 01:33:23,240 --> 01:33:26,360 Speaker 1: a bitch. Come on, I'm want you whiskey. I don't 1482 01:33:26,360 --> 01:33:28,760 Speaker 1: want you. Come on whiskey. By the way, this is 1483 01:33:28,840 --> 01:33:31,600 Speaker 1: no what I'm gonna take a shot. Let's go hold on, 1484 01:33:31,640 --> 01:33:33,400 Speaker 1: wait for us. We gotta take my first shot on 1485 01:33:33,680 --> 01:33:38,320 Speaker 1: take your shot for my You're taking a shot, Thank you, 1486 01:33:38,520 --> 01:33:42,000 Speaker 1: thank you. Take a shot by any of the detective 1487 01:33:42,040 --> 01:33:50,000 Speaker 1: brother just go whatever I got ride yeah, okay, do 1488 01:33:52,800 --> 01:34:00,400 Speaker 1: your yeah right right, the drink two more drinks? Okay? 1489 01:34:00,479 --> 01:34:07,599 Speaker 1: Who is Swiss beat Swiss be? I gotta go with Swizzy, 1490 01:34:08,280 --> 01:34:15,240 Speaker 1: Although I love the newness that Tim brought to production, 1491 01:34:15,680 --> 01:34:17,839 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? His sound was like unique, 1492 01:34:18,080 --> 01:34:24,160 Speaker 1: just like Pharrell's was. But I'm more tuned into Swizzies. Okay. 1493 01:34:26,120 --> 01:34:30,240 Speaker 1: I look at Swiss, Pharrell, and Tim as the same era. 1494 01:34:30,560 --> 01:34:33,080 Speaker 1: They all three came with three different sounds, and you 1495 01:34:33,160 --> 01:34:36,400 Speaker 1: knew exactly who you were listening to each time. Damn. 1496 01:34:36,479 --> 01:34:38,479 Speaker 1: That was I was about to getting on you for 1497 01:34:38,560 --> 01:34:41,080 Speaker 1: your long breakdown. But that was actually great. But it 1498 01:34:41,160 --> 01:34:47,400 Speaker 1: wasn't an answer, and but it was not on a breakdown. 1499 01:34:47,560 --> 01:34:52,800 Speaker 1: And it's like all three of them, So which one 1500 01:34:52,800 --> 01:34:57,880 Speaker 1: you're going with? All Swiss? I'm gonna go with Swiss, Okay, Okay, 1501 01:34:57,960 --> 01:35:00,400 Speaker 1: I didn't expect that the next of the That's it's 1502 01:35:00,439 --> 01:35:02,320 Speaker 1: more of a New Yorker question because I know you 1503 01:35:02,400 --> 01:35:10,000 Speaker 1: were the Raptors nick fan. I'm a nick fan from 1504 01:35:10,439 --> 01:35:12,599 Speaker 1: one of them. When willis Read? When the when willis 1505 01:35:12,680 --> 01:35:15,240 Speaker 1: Read limped out on the motherfucking court, nigger, I was 1506 01:35:15,280 --> 01:35:18,679 Speaker 1: still in there, like this, who ship willis just coming out? 1507 01:35:19,160 --> 01:35:22,400 Speaker 1: All right? I was watching that ship. Kassie Russell used 1508 01:35:22,439 --> 01:35:26,080 Speaker 1: to live next door to me I when I was tapping, 1509 01:35:26,360 --> 01:35:28,720 Speaker 1: and then they used to come out go jump in 1510 01:35:28,760 --> 01:35:31,080 Speaker 1: the cab go to the garden and there I R Kassie, 1511 01:35:31,320 --> 01:35:34,519 Speaker 1: just save me, all right, man, little dude, And I 1512 01:35:34,640 --> 01:35:37,280 Speaker 1: mean sometimes a lot tell people I name myself cast 1513 01:35:37,360 --> 01:35:41,439 Speaker 1: because Cassie Russell. Right now, you have Cassie Russell right here. 1514 01:35:42,080 --> 01:35:51,280 Speaker 1: But Cassy Russell. It ain't no accident better, That's what 1515 01:35:51,320 --> 01:35:56,880 Speaker 1: I'm saying. Okay, So I didn't like this one, but 1516 01:35:56,920 --> 01:36:08,800 Speaker 1: I'm gonna asking it. Fat Boys are the Beastie Boys. Seriously, 1517 01:36:09,080 --> 01:36:12,800 Speaker 1: I would have to say, musically and everything, I would 1518 01:36:12,800 --> 01:36:15,640 Speaker 1: have to give it to the beast Boys, you know 1519 01:36:15,680 --> 01:36:19,960 Speaker 1: what I mean? Boys? I mean, come on, these things 1520 01:36:20,000 --> 01:36:24,240 Speaker 1: made classic album, the production behind their their music, the 1521 01:36:24,400 --> 01:36:27,479 Speaker 1: themes and all that. I think that that Boys was 1522 01:36:27,600 --> 01:36:32,360 Speaker 1: more of a novelty act that it caught on. It 1523 01:36:32,520 --> 01:36:35,439 Speaker 1: was like, okay, ship, let's sign them up and you know, 1524 01:36:35,880 --> 01:36:41,000 Speaker 1: put out a record. Um. I think the people's longevity 1525 01:36:41,160 --> 01:36:45,680 Speaker 1: kind of play out as far as what they originally 1526 01:36:45,800 --> 01:36:51,000 Speaker 1: were in this thing in the first place. Um to me, 1527 01:36:51,960 --> 01:36:57,000 Speaker 1: if you are this, if you claim to be this, 1528 01:36:59,160 --> 01:37:02,679 Speaker 1: then you always that if you are at a certain 1529 01:37:02,800 --> 01:37:05,000 Speaker 1: level or whatever this is, and that then that's your 1530 01:37:05,080 --> 01:37:07,920 Speaker 1: motherfucking level. Don't you ever come here later on and 1531 01:37:08,040 --> 01:37:10,040 Speaker 1: tell me, na, I can't do that no more. What 1532 01:37:10,240 --> 01:37:13,280 Speaker 1: the funk? If you was ever great, you're always gonna 1533 01:37:13,280 --> 01:37:17,960 Speaker 1: be great. You always want to be great. So if 1534 01:37:18,000 --> 01:37:21,200 Speaker 1: you're not great right now, motherfucker. He wasn't great for fun. 1535 01:37:22,840 --> 01:37:25,800 Speaker 1: He wasn't great in the first place. You just for 1536 01:37:25,920 --> 01:37:30,000 Speaker 1: saying that ship. How many people today I'm sixty one 1537 01:37:30,120 --> 01:37:36,720 Speaker 1: years old funk with me. How many people can funk 1538 01:37:36,800 --> 01:37:39,479 Speaker 1: with me on the mic right now at sixty one? 1539 01:37:39,880 --> 01:37:42,040 Speaker 1: And I'm not just talking about my age. I'm talking 1540 01:37:42,080 --> 01:37:48,160 Speaker 1: about period. That's not that's not me bragging. That's the 1541 01:37:48,280 --> 01:37:51,639 Speaker 1: fact that I loved this ship. I breathed this ship. 1542 01:37:52,720 --> 01:37:57,599 Speaker 1: I am This ship makes a noise for that God. Hello, 1543 01:37:58,680 --> 01:38:00,479 Speaker 1: you just feel fasting because like I, I gotta got 1544 01:38:00,560 --> 01:38:04,519 Speaker 1: you more questions. Okay, Latifa m c L. I would 1545 01:38:04,560 --> 01:38:09,599 Speaker 1: have to give it, damn, damn, damn all the way around. 1546 01:38:10,240 --> 01:38:15,959 Speaker 1: Whatever you want. I go like, I like the disagreeing 1547 01:38:16,040 --> 01:38:17,920 Speaker 1: now because at first I thought she was just agreeing 1548 01:38:17,960 --> 01:38:22,280 Speaker 1: with nine. I'm like, I'm like, like, okay, the one 1549 01:38:22,520 --> 01:38:28,160 Speaker 1: ice cube or Scarface, you can take a shot, you 1550 01:38:28,200 --> 01:38:30,639 Speaker 1: know what I mean? We got the shots ready, Yeah, 1551 01:38:30,680 --> 01:38:36,400 Speaker 1: I got ready? One right now was cute, I go cute. 1552 01:38:36,400 --> 01:38:39,160 Speaker 1: I'm friends with Brad Jordan's but I love y'all call 1553 01:38:39,240 --> 01:38:41,920 Speaker 1: him Brad. I ain't calling him Brad ever in my life. Listen, Victor, 1554 01:38:43,120 --> 01:38:45,120 Speaker 1: I don't like first and we're not calling l Todd. 1555 01:38:45,240 --> 01:38:50,800 Speaker 1: I'm not calling. I'm not never doing that. I do 1556 01:38:50,920 --> 01:38:53,200 Speaker 1: call him to all. Actually I don't call me and 1557 01:38:53,280 --> 01:38:58,880 Speaker 1: Curtis call him to Tudd. I'm taking got No, that's 1558 01:38:58,920 --> 01:39:02,920 Speaker 1: not a shot, that's a drink. Take a shot that yeah, yeah? 1559 01:39:02,960 --> 01:39:10,599 Speaker 1: Take who? Sorry Kim or Fox? Now we didn't answer 1560 01:39:10,640 --> 01:39:13,160 Speaker 1: that one yet. What we took a shot? Oh, he 1561 01:39:13,200 --> 01:39:16,760 Speaker 1: took a shot. Took the shot, Kim or Foxy Brown? 1562 01:39:19,120 --> 01:39:24,439 Speaker 1: That one was harsh on me. I gotta go with 1563 01:39:24,560 --> 01:39:30,080 Speaker 1: Fox Foxes, that's my girl. You know, I was at 1564 01:39:30,120 --> 01:39:32,800 Speaker 1: a thing for I was at a thing, a personal thing. 1565 01:39:33,200 --> 01:39:35,439 Speaker 1: And as far as I'm spitting bars Is concerned, I'm 1566 01:39:35,439 --> 01:39:37,840 Speaker 1: trying to get her. When she first pulled that ship 1567 01:39:37,960 --> 01:39:43,760 Speaker 1: off with Jay Nigga, Yeah yeah, I never see her. 1568 01:39:43,840 --> 01:39:46,720 Speaker 1: Nobody pull no ship off like that. Since so I 1569 01:39:46,760 --> 01:39:48,960 Speaker 1: gotta I gotta go with Kim because wife, he loves 1570 01:39:49,080 --> 01:39:52,560 Speaker 1: Kim like my wife is not being an interviewed right, No, no, 1571 01:39:52,680 --> 01:39:55,320 Speaker 1: but I'm saying that's all out here in the house 1572 01:39:55,400 --> 01:39:58,280 Speaker 1: is Kim. I'm gonna go with Kim, al right, cool, 1573 01:39:58,360 --> 01:40:03,280 Speaker 1: I respect that you gotta go home, all right. Uh, 1574 01:40:05,360 --> 01:40:08,320 Speaker 1: this is a good one, actually, n w old tag. 1575 01:40:11,640 --> 01:40:23,200 Speaker 1: I gotta go. Yeah, I gotta go outcast or MAFTI me, 1576 01:40:23,360 --> 01:40:28,760 Speaker 1: that's easy, creatively outcast mob deep all day. For me, 1577 01:40:30,760 --> 01:40:34,800 Speaker 1: it's the m O bib from you from your party. 1578 01:40:35,120 --> 01:40:37,559 Speaker 1: Come on, come on, I can't quote lyrics for ship. 1579 01:40:37,840 --> 01:40:41,439 Speaker 1: All right, all right, I got your stuff and this 1580 01:40:41,600 --> 01:40:42,880 Speaker 1: is this is this is this is the last one 1581 01:40:43,040 --> 01:40:50,439 Speaker 1: she heard of Official Queen's murder kick shots to ship 1582 01:40:50,640 --> 01:40:53,639 Speaker 1: with all those who want to profile, to pose rocky 1583 01:40:53,720 --> 01:40:57,719 Speaker 1: in your face, with you alone in the street, because 1584 01:40:57,760 --> 01:41:01,360 Speaker 1: itself of this land. We'll be gunning to keeping your 1585 01:41:01,520 --> 01:41:04,599 Speaker 1: cruise running. Really supposed to they come around, but they 1586 01:41:04,720 --> 01:41:07,599 Speaker 1: never come close to and you can see inside your 1587 01:41:07,640 --> 01:41:11,640 Speaker 1: face you wrong place, your whole body lay stuff but 1588 01:41:11,760 --> 01:41:17,800 Speaker 1: bullet holes and such. Listen the last one, that's a 1589 01:41:18,040 --> 01:41:21,640 Speaker 1: trans Yeah, I love it. Let's get it kicking pri 1590 01:41:21,840 --> 01:41:27,360 Speaker 1: or master flex h that's easy. It's easy. Yeah for me, 1591 01:41:28,000 --> 01:41:31,280 Speaker 1: I gotta go kick a pre kicking pree come from me. Yeah, 1592 01:41:31,880 --> 01:41:35,960 Speaker 1: that's my hood. That's my calling them pooch wow. Okay, 1593 01:41:36,360 --> 01:41:42,240 Speaker 1: we don't we don't call you're going you're going to 1594 01:41:43,320 --> 01:41:47,040 Speaker 1: three all day. But we're not fronting on Master Flex, 1595 01:41:47,080 --> 01:41:48,920 Speaker 1: are we. I'm fronting on from No. No, you're giving 1596 01:41:48,960 --> 01:41:53,360 Speaker 1: me a choice between motherfucker's with all cool because let 1597 01:41:53,400 --> 01:41:56,840 Speaker 1: me just tell you what you want to do. Can 1598 01:41:57,000 --> 01:42:00,160 Speaker 1: preach my brother, But I still don't see people with 1599 01:42:00,320 --> 01:42:07,560 Speaker 1: the same passion as Master Flex, like, um, like what 1600 01:42:07,720 --> 01:42:09,439 Speaker 1: I mean? What I mean? It was like a time 1601 01:42:09,920 --> 01:42:12,920 Speaker 1: where the music just shifted, right, it shifted to get 1602 01:42:13,000 --> 01:42:16,960 Speaker 1: into this new generation, and I really see master Flex study. 1603 01:42:17,040 --> 01:42:21,519 Speaker 1: The new generation just told him to transition. And to me, 1604 01:42:22,520 --> 01:42:24,200 Speaker 1: that's like, you know, there's a lot of DJs that 1605 01:42:24,760 --> 01:42:27,479 Speaker 1: they didn't when when it stopped being vinyl. They wouldn't 1606 01:42:27,479 --> 01:42:29,519 Speaker 1: go to see these when it stopped being ce these 1607 01:42:29,800 --> 01:42:33,679 Speaker 1: they like, there's a lot of people that don't. Yeah, 1608 01:42:33,800 --> 01:42:38,960 Speaker 1: you're definitely like this at the final he likes Kring Crates, 1609 01:42:39,680 --> 01:42:46,240 Speaker 1: I don't like Karen Crazs. He like all my records 1610 01:42:46,280 --> 01:42:50,200 Speaker 1: to the party. Yes, yes, So my my point of 1611 01:42:50,320 --> 01:42:52,439 Speaker 1: that is not let's read it. But what I'm saying 1612 01:42:52,520 --> 01:42:57,640 Speaker 1: is I've never seen someone's so focused like to to 1613 01:42:57,760 --> 01:43:00,280 Speaker 1: not only be a legend here, but then to learned 1614 01:43:00,280 --> 01:43:03,280 Speaker 1: the craft of the new way. And I've never seen 1615 01:43:03,360 --> 01:43:07,840 Speaker 1: nobody like that, don't you think because commercially that was 1616 01:43:07,920 --> 01:43:11,120 Speaker 1: his job. That's differently, if you want to survive on radio, 1617 01:43:11,200 --> 01:43:13,439 Speaker 1: if you want to stay where you are up on radio, 1618 01:43:13,560 --> 01:43:16,200 Speaker 1: you gotta know who's new. You gotta know what's going on. 1619 01:43:16,360 --> 01:43:19,600 Speaker 1: You gotta you chump me up and round up and 1620 01:43:20,360 --> 01:43:23,360 Speaker 1: just get with that next generation, because that's that's where 1621 01:43:23,360 --> 01:43:25,800 Speaker 1: you're gonna beat. That's where you hopefully you're gonna be 1622 01:43:26,400 --> 01:43:30,439 Speaker 1: and if you establish a relationship with him, you're always 1623 01:43:30,479 --> 01:43:32,679 Speaker 1: gonna be in again. You ain't old school, you ain't 1624 01:43:32,760 --> 01:43:36,120 Speaker 1: old head or whatever. That's like the fucking dreaded. You 1625 01:43:36,200 --> 01:43:39,720 Speaker 1: know what I mean, Monica about generate old head? I 1626 01:43:39,760 --> 01:43:43,479 Speaker 1: mean old head and old school is different. O G 1627 01:43:43,680 --> 01:43:46,320 Speaker 1: too as well. That's that's what I meant to say. 1628 01:43:46,439 --> 01:43:48,479 Speaker 1: That when they say o G, they just they'll be 1629 01:43:48,520 --> 01:43:52,240 Speaker 1: trying to say you just oh. Sometimes it's not Sometimes 1630 01:43:53,680 --> 01:43:59,360 Speaker 1: up man them coming big broke. I'm like, wait a minute, families, 1631 01:43:59,400 --> 01:44:03,160 Speaker 1: this but yeahn't one older than you? You big hey, 1632 01:44:03,200 --> 01:44:05,639 Speaker 1: big bro How does that happen, and you're more knowledgeable 1633 01:44:05,680 --> 01:44:10,439 Speaker 1: than that, apparently the new slang. Yeah, y'all don't like 1634 01:44:10,520 --> 01:44:12,639 Speaker 1: being called old g at all, big home. You don't 1635 01:44:12,640 --> 01:44:15,000 Speaker 1: like none of that. I'm a white beard. I don't 1636 01:44:15,040 --> 01:44:20,280 Speaker 1: take it. Listen, man, I've been I checked out your 1637 01:44:22,400 --> 01:44:26,880 Speaker 1: movie Coming Home. You're working on that? Yo? Which one? 1638 01:44:26,920 --> 01:44:30,240 Speaker 1: Which one? Did you see? Yeah? Yeah? We released it 1639 01:44:30,280 --> 01:44:33,400 Speaker 1: with Rock the Bells right now we're releasing yeah, because 1640 01:44:33,400 --> 01:44:35,519 Speaker 1: I've been thinking he's not coming home sometime. I don't 1641 01:44:35,840 --> 01:44:44,680 Speaker 1: like that. But this ship is fucking amazing, you know 1642 01:44:44,720 --> 01:44:48,679 Speaker 1: what I mean. Congratulations got there. That's the real ship, 1643 01:44:48,800 --> 01:44:54,040 Speaker 1: so we don't correct real. And speaking of Rock the Bells, 1644 01:44:54,760 --> 01:44:56,920 Speaker 1: I'm about to join the Rock the Bells family. Well 1645 01:44:57,000 --> 01:45:01,680 Speaker 1: already have DJM me and I got a Show the 1646 01:45:04,080 --> 01:45:11,559 Speaker 1: Bells Radio. Um, and I'm kind of you know, I'm 1647 01:45:11,640 --> 01:45:17,040 Speaker 1: kind of pumped about that. That platform, oh definitely, you 1648 01:45:17,080 --> 01:45:19,080 Speaker 1: know what I mean. L l is a is a 1649 01:45:19,200 --> 01:45:24,120 Speaker 1: visionary and uh, I think he once he saw the 1650 01:45:24,240 --> 01:45:28,559 Speaker 1: platform that he could create in the lane that nobody 1651 01:45:28,640 --> 01:45:32,519 Speaker 1: really is really addressing right now, which is, uh, you 1652 01:45:32,640 --> 01:45:36,080 Speaker 1: know the Pioneers, the legends, you know the game and stuff, 1653 01:45:36,120 --> 01:45:38,920 Speaker 1: and you know and I appreciate y'all like that. Like 1654 01:45:39,040 --> 01:45:43,640 Speaker 1: I said, it's like when you see artists of the 1655 01:45:43,840 --> 01:45:49,200 Speaker 1: magnitude of ecstasy from who comes to specific I mean, 1656 01:45:49,280 --> 01:45:53,880 Speaker 1: and uh, just more recently business, you know what I mean, 1657 01:45:54,640 --> 01:46:00,040 Speaker 1: Producer Chuck Thompson, you know, Fred the Gods Market and 1658 01:46:00,160 --> 01:46:03,320 Speaker 1: Prince Yeah, Markie Den, you know, the list goes on. 1659 01:46:03,600 --> 01:46:10,920 Speaker 1: It's like you definitely start to appreciate who's left, you know, 1660 01:46:10,960 --> 01:46:13,080 Speaker 1: if you got anything and you know in you and 1661 01:46:13,160 --> 01:46:16,080 Speaker 1: there's something that you ever decided to do before, which 1662 01:46:16,120 --> 01:46:19,360 Speaker 1: I think you know, you guys have had this in 1663 01:46:19,439 --> 01:46:21,639 Speaker 1: your mind and in your hearts for a long time 1664 01:46:21,800 --> 01:46:25,200 Speaker 1: before this ever happened. You know, you had it in 1665 01:46:25,280 --> 01:46:28,479 Speaker 1: your head that yo niggas. We need to get these 1666 01:46:28,520 --> 01:46:31,800 Speaker 1: niggas some kind of recognition anything. It's some kind of 1667 01:46:31,960 --> 01:46:35,559 Speaker 1: and and it's contagious. I mean, like you didn't create 1668 01:46:35,640 --> 01:46:38,559 Speaker 1: the Turn, but not you. It's like Michael didn't create 1669 01:46:38,640 --> 01:46:42,000 Speaker 1: the fucking Moonwalk, but you got everybody in the fucking 1670 01:46:42,040 --> 01:46:45,639 Speaker 1: world doing you know what I mean, same thing with Legs. 1671 01:46:45,640 --> 01:46:47,479 Speaker 1: He didn't start rock Steady Crew, but he's the face 1672 01:46:47,520 --> 01:46:50,680 Speaker 1: of it. Wow, that's what's well, you know for us, man, 1673 01:46:50,800 --> 01:46:54,160 Speaker 1: You know. Um, you know, like I said, we met 1674 01:46:54,200 --> 01:46:56,960 Speaker 1: each other. You know, he was mixtape DJ and a 1675 01:46:57,040 --> 01:46:59,240 Speaker 1: rep for for the label. So I used to come 1676 01:46:59,280 --> 01:47:02,000 Speaker 1: out here all the time and me and him, me 1677 01:47:02,160 --> 01:47:04,320 Speaker 1: just seeing like his pure hip hop ship, Like he 1678 01:47:04,479 --> 01:47:06,920 Speaker 1: don't he just want to spend on vinyl. And I've 1679 01:47:06,960 --> 01:47:09,120 Speaker 1: been trying to tell get Sarato or something. I don't 1680 01:47:09,120 --> 01:47:18,840 Speaker 1: even got Seratto man at STO, nobody used come on, 1681 01:47:21,560 --> 01:47:24,800 Speaker 1: they just because they sponsor, you don't mean to me 1682 01:47:24,880 --> 01:47:28,679 Speaker 1: when I got so I'd like to put I really 1683 01:47:29,000 --> 01:47:32,680 Speaker 1: like to tell the truth. Our show is about interviewing legends, right, 1684 01:47:33,040 --> 01:47:36,080 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna be honest with you. You're a Raal 1685 01:47:36,320 --> 01:47:39,600 Speaker 1: rail Rail first legend for real. You know what I'm saying, Like, 1686 01:47:39,920 --> 01:47:42,360 Speaker 1: I don't disrespect to anybody that's ever been on this show, 1687 01:47:42,800 --> 01:47:45,760 Speaker 1: but when you look at your history and like you said, 1688 01:47:45,800 --> 01:47:49,560 Speaker 1: you you are the co creator. You know what I'm saying, like, like, 1689 01:47:50,479 --> 01:47:52,479 Speaker 1: there's nothing that can take away from that. And I 1690 01:47:52,600 --> 01:47:54,000 Speaker 1: just want to tell you that to your face, how 1691 01:47:54,120 --> 01:47:56,800 Speaker 1: much we respect you, how much we love you, how 1692 01:47:56,880 --> 01:47:59,480 Speaker 1: much we funk with you, and how much we appreciate 1693 01:47:59,560 --> 01:48:02,800 Speaker 1: it because like I said, um, we've been doing this 1694 01:48:02,880 --> 01:48:07,160 Speaker 1: almost six years. This is the funnest research you've ever done, because, 1695 01:48:07,200 --> 01:48:09,719 Speaker 1: like I said, I every time I was looking at something, 1696 01:48:10,360 --> 01:48:12,559 Speaker 1: I was learning something. And this is the reason why 1697 01:48:12,560 --> 01:48:14,640 Speaker 1: I wanted to tell these new artists that you know, 1698 01:48:15,840 --> 01:48:18,639 Speaker 1: you know you these new artists were reference of Michael Jordan. 1699 01:48:18,680 --> 01:48:21,360 Speaker 1: They were like, like Jordan six like nigger, You wasn't 1700 01:48:21,360 --> 01:48:24,200 Speaker 1: even born in Jordan. Why you don't know about grand 1701 01:48:24,240 --> 01:48:27,200 Speaker 1: Master cast Why you don't know about grammars at Theodore, 1702 01:48:27,320 --> 01:48:29,960 Speaker 1: Why you don't know about you know whatever, whatever, whatever? 1703 01:48:30,040 --> 01:48:32,160 Speaker 1: And And it's like if you can do that with basketball, 1704 01:48:32,240 --> 01:48:34,679 Speaker 1: you don't get paid off a basketball. You're little Dirk. 1705 01:48:36,000 --> 01:48:38,080 Speaker 1: You get paid from m C and you get paid 1706 01:48:38,160 --> 01:48:40,840 Speaker 1: from So wouldn't it be dope to go learn your 1707 01:48:40,880 --> 01:48:43,120 Speaker 1: own fucking craft. One of the problem is the tree 1708 01:48:43,240 --> 01:48:45,760 Speaker 1: was there when they came. They didn't care where the 1709 01:48:46,120 --> 01:48:48,400 Speaker 1: roots were planted. They didn't want to know about the see, 1710 01:48:48,479 --> 01:48:50,240 Speaker 1: they just wanted to know about the new leads. But 1711 01:48:50,360 --> 01:48:53,759 Speaker 1: they wore the Michael Jordan's They wore it and then anything. 1712 01:48:53,840 --> 01:48:55,920 Speaker 1: They wanted to know why the sixes were sixes, And 1713 01:48:55,960 --> 01:48:58,040 Speaker 1: they want to know why the sevens were sevens and 1714 01:48:58,120 --> 01:49:00,600 Speaker 1: why are they so famous. Why can't do that with 1715 01:49:00,760 --> 01:49:03,960 Speaker 1: hip hop? Why you can't go back there and realize 1716 01:49:04,439 --> 01:49:07,719 Speaker 1: that there was people that came before you. You understand 1717 01:49:07,760 --> 01:49:10,080 Speaker 1: I'm saying, I'm I'm a I'm one of them. I 1718 01:49:10,200 --> 01:49:11,960 Speaker 1: need to know about everything. If I like something, I 1719 01:49:12,000 --> 01:49:14,639 Speaker 1: want to know from from the beginning to now. Yeah, 1720 01:49:14,840 --> 01:49:16,880 Speaker 1: I'm like that. I love I love doing research. Now. 1721 01:49:17,280 --> 01:49:19,120 Speaker 1: When we first started this, you do nothing. But now 1722 01:49:19,200 --> 01:49:21,600 Speaker 1: I'm like, this is like, actually good. I know the 1723 01:49:21,640 --> 01:49:25,360 Speaker 1: Google Now I didn't know the Google vote. It's knowledge, 1724 01:49:25,439 --> 01:49:28,120 Speaker 1: that's the input. That's input, you know what I mean? 1725 01:49:28,439 --> 01:49:36,559 Speaker 1: So let me ask you, do you do you feel appreciated? Uh? Yeah, 1726 01:49:36,880 --> 01:49:43,600 Speaker 1: yeah I do. I do from from the community of 1727 01:49:43,760 --> 01:49:50,519 Speaker 1: hip hop, I feel appreciated, right, Um, Friendships that I 1728 01:49:50,680 --> 01:49:55,280 Speaker 1: made because of hip hop and because of people's appreciation 1729 01:49:55,760 --> 01:49:58,640 Speaker 1: for for for me and in hip hop are the 1730 01:49:58,760 --> 01:50:03,280 Speaker 1: things that you know, you know, our value and those 1731 01:50:03,320 --> 01:50:05,600 Speaker 1: are the things that keep me involved and keep me 1732 01:50:05,680 --> 01:50:10,839 Speaker 1: going and not just as a participant as an artist himself, 1733 01:50:10,840 --> 01:50:13,519 Speaker 1: because right now, you know, I ain't running around still 1734 01:50:13,560 --> 01:50:15,560 Speaker 1: trying to get a record deal, and those ships like that, 1735 01:50:15,840 --> 01:50:17,840 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I pick and choose what 1736 01:50:18,000 --> 01:50:21,040 Speaker 1: I want to do, and hopefully I built up a 1737 01:50:21,080 --> 01:50:24,040 Speaker 1: resume large enough. But you don't not to have to 1738 01:50:24,080 --> 01:50:26,840 Speaker 1: prove nothing to anybody. You just look it up like 1739 01:50:27,080 --> 01:50:30,800 Speaker 1: like you did, be like, Okay, that's that nigga, let's 1740 01:50:30,800 --> 01:50:36,040 Speaker 1: bring him on the show. Oh yeah, yeah yeah, but yeah, 1741 01:50:36,120 --> 01:50:39,320 Speaker 1: I definitely feel appreciated. I've made associate with people like 1742 01:50:39,439 --> 01:50:42,680 Speaker 1: this brother, and he's connected me and you know, with 1743 01:50:42,840 --> 01:50:46,120 Speaker 1: so many things and so many people because that's what 1744 01:50:46,240 --> 01:50:50,880 Speaker 1: he does. He's like a fucking networker who you know, 1745 01:50:52,120 --> 01:50:57,400 Speaker 1: no really really really one person go you go up 1746 01:50:57,439 --> 01:51:01,559 Speaker 1: with one person, go through, and on the other side, 1747 01:51:01,600 --> 01:51:04,000 Speaker 1: it's like this bunch like that like some ship over 1748 01:51:04,040 --> 01:51:06,960 Speaker 1: there here, like you got two when you come out 1749 01:51:07,000 --> 01:51:09,320 Speaker 1: here and you know everybody over there. And he lives 1750 01:51:09,360 --> 01:51:16,519 Speaker 1: with yes with him, Yeah, he's downstairs. I'm upstairs in 1751 01:51:16,520 --> 01:51:27,880 Speaker 1: the same room we look for Let's reduced on my 1752 01:51:27,960 --> 01:51:37,880 Speaker 1: first album, Yes and the warri Point she did. Now, 1753 01:51:38,640 --> 01:51:47,360 Speaker 1: I gotta ask you, do you remember a young Fat Joe? Yeah? 1754 01:51:47,960 --> 01:51:50,920 Speaker 1: Fat Joe grew up in the neighborhood that I grew 1755 01:51:51,000 --> 01:51:56,640 Speaker 1: up in. But you know, years later, okay, um, my 1756 01:51:56,840 --> 01:52:03,920 Speaker 1: first knowledge of Fat Joe. He had a crew called 1757 01:52:04,000 --> 01:52:09,360 Speaker 1: Full Eclipso okay. And one of the members of full 1758 01:52:09,439 --> 01:52:16,640 Speaker 1: Eclips was family too, one of my son's mother. So, 1759 01:52:17,640 --> 01:52:20,720 Speaker 1: I mean, this ship is crazy, man, any question you 1760 01:52:20,840 --> 01:52:25,479 Speaker 1: asked me, I can connect to myself somewhere. I'm not 1761 01:52:25,560 --> 01:52:28,560 Speaker 1: trying to do this ship. You do it perfect. You 1762 01:52:28,640 --> 01:52:31,360 Speaker 1: deserve your flowers. Be game to you too. Put on 1763 01:52:31,479 --> 01:52:33,559 Speaker 1: that case. Look at that case. That's real real flowers. 1764 01:52:33,680 --> 01:52:38,519 Speaker 1: That's real flower last five years and mynas goal just 1765 01:52:39,479 --> 01:52:41,880 Speaker 1: but but but that's how that's how I first found 1766 01:52:41,920 --> 01:52:43,600 Speaker 1: out about Fat Joe. You know what he told me, 1767 01:52:43,680 --> 01:52:45,280 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, this and that this and 1768 01:52:45,320 --> 01:52:47,519 Speaker 1: that my nephew is down with you know this guy 1769 01:52:47,600 --> 01:52:49,559 Speaker 1: Fat Joe and such and such, And I'm like, okay, 1770 01:52:49,640 --> 01:52:52,360 Speaker 1: And then you know the songs I would you know, 1771 01:52:52,479 --> 01:52:55,160 Speaker 1: start coming out of this and that other people care arrests, 1772 01:52:55,479 --> 01:52:58,719 Speaker 1: start talking about him. So of course you wrapped the bronx. 1773 01:52:58,840 --> 01:53:02,080 Speaker 1: I know about you. I'm somewhere near close for watching, 1774 01:53:02,360 --> 01:53:04,800 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I've been about three 1775 01:53:04,840 --> 01:53:09,479 Speaker 1: of Joe's videos. Probably didn't notice whatever, So let me 1776 01:53:09,600 --> 01:53:12,240 Speaker 1: let me ask you. And this is probably a generic question. 1777 01:53:13,120 --> 01:53:15,960 Speaker 1: This Curtis Blow named Curtis Blow because he was doing 1778 01:53:16,040 --> 01:53:22,120 Speaker 1: Curtis blow I mean it's that's a legit question though. 1779 01:53:22,360 --> 01:53:24,439 Speaker 1: I mean, that's there's a reason why Superhead is Superhead. 1780 01:53:26,600 --> 01:53:29,600 Speaker 1: Maybe she was a superhero. Bro that's not for me 1781 01:53:29,720 --> 01:53:32,200 Speaker 1: to say. I mean, it's the rule was. Come on, 1782 01:53:32,880 --> 01:53:35,040 Speaker 1: I even got round. I got you know, I funk 1783 01:53:35,080 --> 01:53:37,519 Speaker 1: with music when i'm DJ and and I like make 1784 01:53:37,600 --> 01:53:46,040 Speaker 1: references to like, yo, you know Curtis Blowy. But no, 1785 01:53:46,240 --> 01:53:48,000 Speaker 1: I mean no, I don't. I don't think that's why 1786 01:53:48,080 --> 01:53:50,880 Speaker 1: his name is Curtis blow And when you Curtis, Let's 1787 01:53:50,880 --> 01:53:53,800 Speaker 1: be clear. Back in the days, cold was considered like 1788 01:53:54,760 --> 01:53:58,960 Speaker 1: that was like, oh definitely was Liken the coach started, 1789 01:53:59,080 --> 01:54:03,800 Speaker 1: you know, becoming you know, available to like to hip hop. 1790 01:54:04,720 --> 01:54:07,240 Speaker 1: You've been a studio fifty four? Yeah? Yeah, how was it? 1791 01:54:07,240 --> 01:54:10,000 Speaker 1: I never thinkerpop? She was Wow, she was wild. She 1792 01:54:10,040 --> 01:54:12,439 Speaker 1: think upop something the studio? Futyore did I or what 1793 01:54:12,640 --> 01:54:17,200 Speaker 1: I did? You did? I know? What would you? I 1794 01:54:17,240 --> 01:54:25,880 Speaker 1: went up? Yo? What it's been good. I'm a tune 1795 01:54:25,880 --> 01:54:28,120 Speaker 1: of baby at you making the studio before I went 1796 01:54:28,280 --> 01:54:29,960 Speaker 1: up in a few people in the Lime like that. 1797 01:54:31,439 --> 01:54:32,960 Speaker 1: You know the Lime light is open right now. It's 1798 01:54:33,000 --> 01:54:38,200 Speaker 1: Jude Long Club. Get the fut it's the church, that's 1799 01:54:38,280 --> 01:54:42,920 Speaker 1: that restaurant is that's not like yo. Yeah, by the way, 1800 01:54:42,960 --> 01:54:45,120 Speaker 1: New York seen me the city in the world. We 1801 01:54:45,480 --> 01:54:50,400 Speaker 1: made a club of church exactly. How how do you 1802 01:54:50,560 --> 01:54:53,960 Speaker 1: knowing that? For twenty five years, no one thought like, yo, 1803 01:54:54,080 --> 01:54:57,760 Speaker 1: this is yo. That kind of y'all did not ignore it. 1804 01:54:57,840 --> 01:55:00,080 Speaker 1: Y'all knew what you're walking into a church. Ignore it. 1805 01:55:00,320 --> 01:55:01,880 Speaker 1: Act like I didn't know where I was at. He 1806 01:55:01,960 --> 01:55:08,600 Speaker 1: became you know, you have to walk past a lot 1807 01:55:08,720 --> 01:55:13,160 Speaker 1: of things that were like that. You don't do in 1808 01:55:13,280 --> 01:55:17,280 Speaker 1: that motherfucker there. Well do you think and this is 1809 01:55:17,480 --> 01:55:21,360 Speaker 1: a generic question, but at one point, in order to 1810 01:55:21,440 --> 01:55:23,680 Speaker 1: be an artist who had to perform in New York City, 1811 01:55:23,960 --> 01:55:27,280 Speaker 1: Latin quarters, the couple cabanas, all of this, Oh yeah, 1812 01:55:27,520 --> 01:55:29,560 Speaker 1: it was there was like a what do you call it? 1813 01:55:29,680 --> 01:55:33,440 Speaker 1: The chicken the chipling circuit. There was a chipling circuit 1814 01:55:33,480 --> 01:55:40,160 Speaker 1: in hip hop down South. No, but I'm making reference 1815 01:55:40,280 --> 01:55:42,480 Speaker 1: to that, but it was the same kind of mentality. 1816 01:55:42,520 --> 01:55:44,480 Speaker 1: It was like, all right, you gotta play here. Now, 1817 01:55:44,600 --> 01:55:46,840 Speaker 1: you gotta play You want to expose up here uptown, 1818 01:55:46,880 --> 01:55:49,000 Speaker 1: you gotta go play here, all right? You want them 1819 01:55:49,040 --> 01:55:51,000 Speaker 1: to know you down and over to such such you 1820 01:55:51,080 --> 01:55:54,200 Speaker 1: gotta play here and then you do that until the 1821 01:55:54,480 --> 01:55:57,400 Speaker 1: man picks up for you. Now, now people call you 1822 01:55:57,720 --> 01:55:59,600 Speaker 1: to where they want you want you to come back 1823 01:55:59,680 --> 01:56:01,960 Speaker 1: to over here, But I want you to go back 1824 01:56:02,040 --> 01:56:04,160 Speaker 1: to over here. Yeah, I mean, we was one of 1825 01:56:04,240 --> 01:56:07,960 Speaker 1: the first caster just start going outside of the city limits, 1826 01:56:08,320 --> 01:56:14,160 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Bronx west Chester, Connecticut, Jersey. 1827 01:56:14,480 --> 01:56:16,560 Speaker 1: You know what I mean. We had parties in each 1828 01:56:16,640 --> 01:56:19,040 Speaker 1: town every time everybody who had a skating rink, we 1829 01:56:19,200 --> 01:56:23,360 Speaker 1: was in that motherfucker perform at Bridgeport, Connecticut, New Haven, Connecticut. 1830 01:56:23,480 --> 01:56:28,800 Speaker 1: They're very Connecticut. Or I mean, I got arrested in Chickapee, Massachusetts. 1831 01:56:28,960 --> 01:56:35,200 Speaker 1: There's fired for having spikes on, having spikes on you know, 1832 01:56:35,320 --> 01:56:37,280 Speaker 1: you know we used to wear that spice. You know 1833 01:56:40,720 --> 01:56:45,080 Speaker 1: your money though, because Lubaton took yall spikes ship and 1834 01:56:45,200 --> 01:56:48,000 Speaker 1: made a hip hop again. But then they put it 1835 01:56:48,080 --> 01:56:51,560 Speaker 1: on shoes, said you liked shoes. No, One of my 1836 01:56:51,600 --> 01:56:54,400 Speaker 1: favorite lines is one of yours. What Lubaton sneakers with 1837 01:56:54,480 --> 01:56:58,600 Speaker 1: the spikes for the wear those I don't wear tho? 1838 01:57:00,840 --> 01:57:04,520 Speaker 1: I think even knowing that, Yeah, yeah, but but damn wrestler, 1839 01:57:04,880 --> 01:57:06,680 Speaker 1: you just you just a rich sneaker would running around 1840 01:57:06,680 --> 01:57:08,840 Speaker 1: with s Gards. This is I had him, I had 1841 01:57:08,920 --> 01:57:10,320 Speaker 1: it brought in. You know what is that kind of 1842 01:57:10,360 --> 01:57:13,400 Speaker 1: s Gards? That's Romeo and Juliet Oh. I love Roman, 1843 01:57:13,960 --> 01:57:18,520 Speaker 1: Thank you, thank This is this is a Judio and Fulia. 1844 01:57:22,080 --> 01:57:23,960 Speaker 1: They wrote from the same people. I threw him in 1845 01:57:24,000 --> 01:57:29,000 Speaker 1: from Peru. He's a Peruvian wrestler and he wrote weed 1846 01:57:29,040 --> 01:57:35,480 Speaker 1: on the side. You know what I mean, I job, 1847 01:57:35,600 --> 01:57:39,400 Speaker 1: what a job? I got a job, like said the 1848 01:57:39,440 --> 01:57:43,200 Speaker 1: Peruvian prince, the king of Kaludes. Okay, I didn't catch 1849 01:57:43,280 --> 01:57:45,400 Speaker 1: that line back in the days. Now it makes sense 1850 01:57:45,480 --> 01:57:49,920 Speaker 1: there you go, now what I mean. So yo, guys, 1851 01:57:50,040 --> 01:57:54,760 Speaker 1: because this is this is really truly an honor man 1852 01:57:54,840 --> 01:57:56,400 Speaker 1: when I really look like I did, like I said, 1853 01:57:56,400 --> 01:57:59,680 Speaker 1: I did the research and I'm seeing that and I'm 1854 01:57:59,720 --> 01:58:03,040 Speaker 1: seeing these parties like hip hop got to see m 1855 01:58:09,160 --> 01:58:11,600 Speaker 1: I actually don't know how to articulate this, but what 1856 01:58:11,680 --> 01:58:18,240 Speaker 1: I'm saying is, but what you gotta what kind of cigars? That? Yeah, 1857 01:58:19,040 --> 01:58:26,280 Speaker 1: it's from Puerto Rico, the country makes Yeah, this looks nice. Okay, Okay, 1858 01:58:27,280 --> 01:58:29,440 Speaker 1: I spoke to I love the spoken that man wanted 1859 01:58:29,480 --> 01:58:36,480 Speaker 1: them that looked like the christwn little so hip hop. 1860 01:58:36,560 --> 01:58:38,320 Speaker 1: I actually, did you ever think of hip hop? Make 1861 01:58:38,360 --> 01:58:41,080 Speaker 1: it this fall? And you said no, I didn't. I 1862 01:58:41,200 --> 01:58:43,320 Speaker 1: didn't like I said. If I would, I would have 1863 01:58:43,400 --> 01:58:47,360 Speaker 1: invested in it. You know, the people who couldn't do 1864 01:58:47,440 --> 01:58:52,800 Speaker 1: what we did did what we couldn't do. That I'm 1865 01:58:52,800 --> 01:58:55,000 Speaker 1: gonna say it one one time. The people who couldn't 1866 01:58:55,040 --> 01:58:58,320 Speaker 1: do what we did did what we couldn't do. And 1867 01:59:00,240 --> 01:59:05,240 Speaker 1: Russell Simmons can't rap, can't break dance, that's a great transitor. 1868 01:59:05,400 --> 01:59:11,160 Speaker 1: Can't dj, you know what I mean. He can't do graffitia, 1869 01:59:12,200 --> 01:59:13,800 Speaker 1: So what was your first But he did go to 1870 01:59:13,920 --> 01:59:16,360 Speaker 1: college and he did get a degree, and he did 1871 01:59:17,160 --> 01:59:23,200 Speaker 1: he understands the business of business, business and so he 1872 01:59:23,320 --> 01:59:29,440 Speaker 1: took that and uh, the rest is history. So it 1873 01:59:29,560 --> 01:59:31,720 Speaker 1: was your first impression, like when you see in Russell 1874 01:59:31,800 --> 01:59:35,360 Speaker 1: coming around, Because there were other than um. When we 1875 01:59:35,400 --> 01:59:37,240 Speaker 1: spoke about earlier, the sugar Hill Gang, I think you 1876 01:59:37,320 --> 01:59:41,400 Speaker 1: said her name was Sylvia, Sylvia Robbins, Sylvia Robinson. Other 1877 01:59:41,480 --> 01:59:44,360 Speaker 1: than that, there wasn't a lot of black executives. I 1878 01:59:44,440 --> 01:59:47,840 Speaker 1: was imagine that sugar Hill Gang was probably the first ones. Well, 1879 01:59:48,080 --> 01:59:54,800 Speaker 1: I mean, oh yeah, because they were independent labels Okay, 1880 01:59:54,880 --> 01:59:58,800 Speaker 1: you gotta understand, um, major labels would not funk with 1881 01:59:59,000 --> 02:00:01,880 Speaker 1: hip hop, and earlier days they didn't believe in it. 1882 02:00:02,000 --> 02:00:03,840 Speaker 1: They didn't think it would last. They thought it was 1883 02:00:03,960 --> 02:00:06,480 Speaker 1: just a fad or a trend or whatever, and they 1884 02:00:06,520 --> 02:00:09,360 Speaker 1: didn't want to invest in it. Curtis Blow was the 1885 02:00:09,480 --> 02:00:13,720 Speaker 1: first hip hop artist to a sign to a major label. 1886 02:00:14,080 --> 02:00:17,880 Speaker 1: Had Christmas Wrap Christmas Trap and didn't come out before 1887 02:00:18,040 --> 02:00:20,720 Speaker 1: the break later on. So let me ask y'all. Let 1888 02:00:20,760 --> 02:00:25,440 Speaker 1: me ask y'all that you definitely particularly wasn't that kind 1889 02:00:25,480 --> 02:00:28,280 Speaker 1: of commercial to make a rap about Christmas. You've got 1890 02:00:28,360 --> 02:00:32,440 Speaker 1: them right. But guess what, all right, guess what every 1891 02:00:32,560 --> 02:00:39,200 Speaker 1: year after Thanksgiving that record plays from that day on 1892 02:00:39,640 --> 02:00:45,040 Speaker 1: motherfucker all the way to Christmas New Year, over and 1893 02:00:45,240 --> 02:00:49,840 Speaker 1: over and over. So you tell me we love you. 1894 02:00:49,920 --> 02:00:52,040 Speaker 1: Curtis Blow got damn smart, you know what I mean? 1895 02:00:52,160 --> 02:00:56,840 Speaker 1: That was smart And that was one of the advantages 1896 02:00:56,960 --> 02:01:01,040 Speaker 1: that having a major label behind ain't you. You got 1897 02:01:01,160 --> 02:01:04,320 Speaker 1: a team, You got people who know the music business 1898 02:01:04,440 --> 02:01:07,480 Speaker 1: behind you. They're gonna hire the people that you need. 1899 02:01:07,800 --> 02:01:10,680 Speaker 1: They're gonna hire a fucking band, they're gonna hire producers, 1900 02:01:10,720 --> 02:01:12,920 Speaker 1: they're gonna hire if you need this. They're gonna bring 1901 02:01:13,040 --> 02:01:15,280 Speaker 1: that in. They're gonna all that. So you got all that. 1902 02:01:15,440 --> 02:01:20,839 Speaker 1: How the fun can you miss? As opposed to somebody 1903 02:01:20,880 --> 02:01:23,880 Speaker 1: who's doing something independently, even though they're doing better work 1904 02:01:24,200 --> 02:01:27,320 Speaker 1: independent artists are doing. I mean, come on, Bobby, the 1905 02:01:27,440 --> 02:01:32,080 Speaker 1: ship that the Enjoy Records that they did Pumpkin and 1906 02:01:32,200 --> 02:01:35,280 Speaker 1: All Stars, their bandage they did on is fucking incredible, 1907 02:01:36,400 --> 02:01:39,480 Speaker 1: and at some point that ship is gonna be I 1908 02:01:39,560 --> 02:01:44,520 Speaker 1: mean it's it's legendary, it's legendary. Sugar Hill Band, the 1909 02:01:44,640 --> 02:01:48,920 Speaker 1: sugar Hill ban that they did for sugar Hill Records, yeah, 1910 02:01:49,320 --> 02:01:52,760 Speaker 1: not sugar Gang, the band that played with the Gang 1911 02:01:52,840 --> 02:01:56,480 Speaker 1: that stole by record. And then do Booty, Yeah, do 1912 02:01:56,680 --> 02:02:01,600 Speaker 1: Booty who wrote the message? Not not that duke Booty, 1913 02:02:02,160 --> 02:02:07,040 Speaker 1: not a dooky booty, but you just hit me with 1914 02:02:07,120 --> 02:02:09,920 Speaker 1: two balls. First of all, you name it a dude 1915 02:02:10,000 --> 02:02:13,840 Speaker 1: named duke Booty, that's one. But then he's there, he 1916 02:02:14,000 --> 02:02:22,120 Speaker 1: wrote the message. Don't push me. I'm close to them, 1917 02:02:22,440 --> 02:02:29,080 Speaker 1: Try and not to lose mind right there. Wait wait wait, wait, 1918 02:02:29,560 --> 02:02:32,200 Speaker 1: wait wait, you're going too far right now, I'm hearing 1919 02:02:32,480 --> 02:02:42,400 Speaker 1: good not trying to cameraman, just got happy to singing reggae. 1920 02:02:45,880 --> 02:02:51,880 Speaker 1: Holy Moly, mo, I don't know where you're going with this, kid. Booty, 1921 02:02:53,880 --> 02:02:55,840 Speaker 1: by the way, we just gotta say Pauls every time. 1922 02:02:57,800 --> 02:03:01,200 Speaker 1: That's rest in peace. Duke Booty Okay was a member 1923 02:03:01,240 --> 02:03:06,600 Speaker 1: of sugar Hill Band and he wrote um the message 1924 02:03:07,920 --> 02:03:12,320 Speaker 1: and Sylvia Robinson wanted the sugar Hill Gang to do it, 1925 02:03:12,880 --> 02:03:15,320 Speaker 1: but they didn't want to do it. She was too slow. 1926 02:03:15,440 --> 02:03:19,000 Speaker 1: A matter of fact, nobody wanted to do it, and 1927 02:03:20,520 --> 02:03:24,360 Speaker 1: so Duke Booty did it, and they put Mellie melt 1928 02:03:24,600 --> 02:03:28,680 Speaker 1: on it to do the rhyme that he did broken Glass, 1929 02:03:29,360 --> 02:03:33,440 Speaker 1: So he wrote Melly's no book Glass everywhere that ain't 1930 02:03:34,360 --> 02:03:42,000 Speaker 1: do Booty wrote that the whole song did mel right anything, 1931 02:03:42,200 --> 02:03:49,720 Speaker 1: don't push me. Duke Booty wrote that the music for 1932 02:03:49,760 --> 02:03:52,560 Speaker 1: a Grand Master Ustion figs five. His name was ed 1933 02:03:52,640 --> 02:03:58,680 Speaker 1: Fletcher May he rested. That's Duke Booty and know that 1934 02:03:58,840 --> 02:04:01,840 Speaker 1: what Mellie. I'm sorry, I'm gonna say. Davy d did 1935 02:04:01,880 --> 02:04:05,280 Speaker 1: the music for I Fire Ruled the World, all right. 1936 02:04:05,360 --> 02:04:13,520 Speaker 1: That's a whole nother sorry different Dective. So yeah, it was. 1937 02:04:13,640 --> 02:04:17,320 Speaker 1: It was his idea and his song, and Sylvia wanted 1938 02:04:17,360 --> 02:04:19,120 Speaker 1: to Sugar Gang to do it. They don't want to 1939 02:04:19,200 --> 02:04:21,440 Speaker 1: do it. Want the Furious Five do it. They didn't 1940 02:04:21,480 --> 02:04:23,320 Speaker 1: want to do it, so she got Mel to do it. 1941 02:04:24,480 --> 02:04:27,840 Speaker 1: We do booty. So Meller is reciting do booties. You know, 1942 02:04:27,960 --> 02:04:32,320 Speaker 1: broken glass everywhere people pissing up. Mel wrote the last 1943 02:04:32,560 --> 02:04:36,320 Speaker 1: verse in the message child is born with no state 1944 02:04:36,400 --> 02:04:39,400 Speaker 1: of mind, blind to the way. He's a man God 1945 02:04:40,000 --> 02:04:45,880 Speaker 1: that smell And that was taken from super rapping from 1946 02:04:46,000 --> 02:04:50,880 Speaker 1: this song with the Furious Five on Enjoy Records. Damn, 1947 02:04:51,680 --> 02:04:58,360 Speaker 1: that record was two sides, so super rapping part one. 1948 02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:04,240 Speaker 1: It was like twenty minutes each side, just NonStop rapping, 1949 02:05:05,000 --> 02:05:09,160 Speaker 1: was super rapping. It was super rapping. So I mean 1950 02:05:09,920 --> 02:05:13,600 Speaker 1: you didn't know that, right, yeah? Yeah? So And like 1951 02:05:13,720 --> 02:05:15,960 Speaker 1: I said, rest in peace to d Fletcher and his family, 1952 02:05:16,040 --> 02:05:18,600 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. He just passed away recently. 1953 02:05:18,800 --> 02:05:20,760 Speaker 1: So what's that Like the thing back then is to 1954 02:05:20,840 --> 02:05:27,280 Speaker 1: have somebody else because that's like never that was what 1955 02:05:27,400 --> 02:05:30,800 Speaker 1: you're saying. That's partly the record ship. Thank you, thank you, 1956 02:05:30,920 --> 02:05:34,280 Speaker 1: thank you. If you gotta understand that, prior to the 1957 02:05:34,400 --> 02:05:37,560 Speaker 1: record industry being involved in hip hop, there was certain 1958 02:05:37,680 --> 02:05:39,720 Speaker 1: ethics and ship, you know what I mean, there was 1959 02:05:40,000 --> 02:05:43,560 Speaker 1: like a code you know written or unwritten, you know 1960 02:05:43,600 --> 02:05:45,640 Speaker 1: what I mean, you don't bite people ship, you know 1961 02:05:45,640 --> 02:05:47,600 Speaker 1: what I mean, You got ridiculed for that ship. There 1962 02:05:47,720 --> 02:05:50,560 Speaker 1: was nothing written down that said that. But nigger, you 1963 02:05:50,600 --> 02:05:54,360 Speaker 1: don't do ship like that. That's how it was so 1964 02:05:54,520 --> 02:05:56,960 Speaker 1: for somebody to say somebody else ship and then I 1965 02:05:57,040 --> 02:06:00,920 Speaker 1: mean in a big forum and and and you know 1966 02:06:01,000 --> 02:06:03,760 Speaker 1: what I mean, like benefit from that actually was unheard of. 1967 02:06:04,440 --> 02:06:07,200 Speaker 1: You get ridiculed for that type ship. But the record 1968 02:06:07,240 --> 02:06:11,520 Speaker 1: industry don't have no fucking rules, they don't have no morals. 1969 02:06:11,880 --> 02:06:16,720 Speaker 1: And that was considered the first reality rap pretty much 1970 02:06:17,120 --> 02:06:21,200 Speaker 1: pretty much. Ye, the message is considered the first one 1971 02:06:21,280 --> 02:06:24,120 Speaker 1: that dealt with you know, urban issues and the consitions 1972 02:06:24,240 --> 02:06:27,160 Speaker 1: that existed, you know, in our neighborhoods and ship like that. 1973 02:06:27,560 --> 02:06:31,280 Speaker 1: It was I mean it fucking Grammy Hall of Fame, 1974 02:06:31,600 --> 02:06:33,800 Speaker 1: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, you know what I mean, 1975 02:06:34,200 --> 02:06:37,120 Speaker 1: from that record alone, these guys, you know, not just 1976 02:06:37,320 --> 02:06:39,640 Speaker 1: that but and the rest of the thing they've done, 1977 02:06:40,200 --> 02:06:44,200 Speaker 1: you know, but that being the pinnacle that that message. 1978 02:06:44,880 --> 02:06:47,360 Speaker 1: But and y'all were cool back there because like it 1979 02:06:47,520 --> 02:06:51,240 Speaker 1: was like a little drama between the crews. We wasn't cool, No, 1980 02:06:54,440 --> 02:07:00,240 Speaker 1: it wasn't cool. It wasn't cool. You gotta understand, you 1981 02:07:00,320 --> 02:07:04,320 Speaker 1: gotta understand um when Melling mellan them, and and when 1982 02:07:04,360 --> 02:07:07,080 Speaker 1: the Furious Five, I keep saying, that's my brother. But 1983 02:07:07,520 --> 02:07:11,280 Speaker 1: when the Furious Five got signed sugar Hill, they left 1984 02:07:11,800 --> 02:07:14,960 Speaker 1: the streets. Prior to that, we was all in the streets. 1985 02:07:15,640 --> 02:07:18,360 Speaker 1: We was all by info. Who's the best in the Bronx, 1986 02:07:18,400 --> 02:07:20,400 Speaker 1: So who's the best in the New York or who 1987 02:07:20,800 --> 02:07:23,040 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Doing these different you know, 1988 02:07:23,680 --> 02:07:26,480 Speaker 1: And once they got signed, they left and then once 1989 02:07:26,520 --> 02:07:29,400 Speaker 1: they saw going on a tour, there was nobody left. 1990 02:07:30,880 --> 02:07:34,800 Speaker 1: So we would like scrambling to to fill that vote. Well, 1991 02:07:34,880 --> 02:07:37,720 Speaker 1: were the next niggers after them? That's gonna take the throne? 1992 02:07:37,840 --> 02:07:40,640 Speaker 1: Or whoever's the best in New York I mean. So 1993 02:07:40,840 --> 02:07:45,360 Speaker 1: that was the Fantastic Five and us the Funky Four 1994 02:07:45,480 --> 02:07:47,480 Speaker 1: had got signed the sugar Hill as well, so it 1995 02:07:47,680 --> 02:07:51,320 Speaker 1: was off with the Furious Five Jersey label at the time, 1996 02:07:51,640 --> 02:07:54,880 Speaker 1: it was a Jersey label, but it was the factory 1997 02:07:55,640 --> 02:07:59,120 Speaker 1: that they were recording all this Now and we're still 1998 02:07:59,480 --> 02:08:03,760 Speaker 1: doing jam in all the world ship like that. Well 1999 02:08:03,800 --> 02:08:07,400 Speaker 1: we're doing shows and getting paid, but we're still doing 2000 02:08:07,440 --> 02:08:13,080 Speaker 1: a lot of performances. We're not signed on tour. This 2001 02:08:13,280 --> 02:08:20,080 Speaker 1: is amazing, this is then you've got Treacherous three. Yeah. 2002 02:08:20,120 --> 02:08:22,640 Speaker 1: I love how you change the subject. What's what I'm 2003 02:08:22,640 --> 02:08:24,960 Speaker 1: just saying to keep it moving. I'm saying, you got 2004 02:08:25,520 --> 02:08:27,400 Speaker 1: and then got signed who they get signed to? They 2005 02:08:27,480 --> 02:08:29,600 Speaker 1: got shign to sugar Hill because most of the most 2006 02:08:29,680 --> 02:08:33,600 Speaker 1: of the acts that were first signed to. It's crazy. 2007 02:08:33,680 --> 02:08:37,320 Speaker 1: It's like a migration from whatever group you and now 2008 02:08:37,680 --> 02:08:39,600 Speaker 1: to the next group that's gonna take you the way 2009 02:08:39,640 --> 02:08:42,480 Speaker 1: you want to go, even from history. Yeah, it was 2010 02:08:42,520 --> 02:08:46,000 Speaker 1: group popping my first MCS. You know, when they left me, 2011 02:08:46,120 --> 02:08:48,280 Speaker 1: they went to d J Charlie Chase. And when they 2012 02:08:48,360 --> 02:08:51,280 Speaker 1: left Charlie chasing them, they went to the Fantastic or 2013 02:08:51,360 --> 02:08:53,120 Speaker 1: they went to keV Kevin them and they became the 2014 02:08:53,200 --> 02:08:56,440 Speaker 1: Fantastic Five. Yeah. I mean, and it's the same with 2015 02:08:56,560 --> 02:08:59,480 Speaker 1: this ship right here. It's like you know, you you know, 2016 02:08:59,560 --> 02:09:01,720 Speaker 1: group happen to get to where the fun you're trying 2017 02:09:01,720 --> 02:09:05,440 Speaker 1: to go. And Sequence was on sugar Hill, and Sequence 2018 02:09:05,480 --> 02:09:08,640 Speaker 1: had Angie Stone in the group. Really, Andie Stone was 2019 02:09:08,640 --> 02:09:13,280 Speaker 1: part of Sequence. You ain't know that and Stone and Stone, 2020 02:09:13,320 --> 02:09:19,560 Speaker 1: Angie Stone and Baby Mama and he's seventy nine. I'm 2021 02:09:19,600 --> 02:09:24,600 Speaker 1: going funk you right on the Little fun She says 2022 02:09:24,640 --> 02:09:40,320 Speaker 1: in Everything Record, Wow, Stone, I would have never thought. Okay, 2023 02:09:40,520 --> 02:09:44,120 Speaker 1: and she smashed the Angelo. Let's be clear. Definitely got 2024 02:09:44,200 --> 02:09:47,240 Speaker 1: a baby, Definitely got a But yes, you have to 2025 02:09:47,280 --> 02:09:51,360 Speaker 1: be something. That's what Stone on drink ch we do 2026 02:09:51,880 --> 02:09:57,400 Speaker 1: we do and Angelo not to get before d' angelo. 2027 02:09:57,920 --> 02:10:00,920 Speaker 1: Andre Stone married to a little rod they see from 2028 02:10:00,920 --> 02:10:07,520 Speaker 1: the Funky four plus one see it Rodney Stone. Okay, 2029 02:10:07,600 --> 02:10:12,800 Speaker 1: that's a lot of people. Hey, listen, you ain't got 2030 02:10:12,840 --> 02:10:19,360 Speaker 1: me up here for no fucking reason. No ship, and 2031 02:10:19,400 --> 02:10:26,440 Speaker 1: I ain't saying ship people don't already know. But like God, 2032 02:10:26,880 --> 02:10:30,760 Speaker 1: why don't mean Google? We got the real got this 2033 02:10:30,880 --> 02:10:37,520 Speaker 1: Google right, grand Master Google. Let me ask Google master cast. 2034 02:10:37,880 --> 02:10:39,640 Speaker 1: Let me ask you right. If you could put the 2035 02:10:39,760 --> 02:10:43,600 Speaker 1: five everyone always asked the top five dead are alive? 2036 02:10:43,760 --> 02:10:47,560 Speaker 1: I'm not going to ask you that. What is if 2037 02:10:47,640 --> 02:10:52,760 Speaker 1: you could put the top five fathers and hip hop fathers, 2038 02:10:52,880 --> 02:10:58,040 Speaker 1: like how the FBI got you know, FBI w Dobie wanted. 2039 02:10:58,680 --> 02:11:02,800 Speaker 1: They'll put They'll with Gotti head and help with I'll 2040 02:11:02,880 --> 02:11:07,720 Speaker 1: copy down and signillary and all that. If you could 2041 02:11:07,760 --> 02:11:14,920 Speaker 1: do yours the top five hop fathers and godfathers. I 2042 02:11:14,960 --> 02:11:19,440 Speaker 1: would like to hear it in order. You don't have 2043 02:11:19,480 --> 02:11:21,520 Speaker 1: to be in order. It has to be if you're 2044 02:11:21,520 --> 02:11:23,720 Speaker 1: putting in that way, that's not the man. You're saying 2045 02:11:23,840 --> 02:11:26,200 Speaker 1: godfather and father. There's got to be in some kind 2046 02:11:26,240 --> 02:11:29,640 Speaker 1: of order, Okay, But you can't have the godfather before 2047 02:11:29,680 --> 02:11:34,080 Speaker 1: the father before the all. It all, it all, it 2048 02:11:34,200 --> 02:11:38,680 Speaker 1: all starts with Core. Write for me and for everybody, 2049 02:11:38,840 --> 02:11:41,200 Speaker 1: that's where I come from. I'm on the west side 2050 02:11:41,240 --> 02:11:43,120 Speaker 1: of the Bronx. I lived up on the next block 2051 02:11:43,240 --> 02:11:47,840 Speaker 1: from Core Centwick Avenue, fail in Place. Okay. So when 2052 02:11:47,840 --> 02:11:50,840 Speaker 1: I was young and impressionable and the block would clear 2053 02:11:50,920 --> 02:11:53,000 Speaker 1: out and go down to fucking block all, you know, 2054 02:11:53,160 --> 02:11:54,680 Speaker 1: the whole block of clear out, I'll be like, what 2055 02:11:54,800 --> 02:11:56,880 Speaker 1: the funk is going on? But I'm you know, I'm 2056 02:11:57,160 --> 02:12:01,400 Speaker 1: thirteen fifteen. You we're going to cool Hirk party. We're 2057 02:12:01,400 --> 02:12:04,400 Speaker 1: going to cool Hirk party. So I wasn't able to 2058 02:12:04,480 --> 02:12:07,520 Speaker 1: go to cool work party. But you know what I mean, 2059 02:12:07,640 --> 02:12:10,000 Speaker 1: I'm like, this must be some ship. And then when 2060 02:12:10,040 --> 02:12:12,800 Speaker 1: he started playing outside, I got the opportunity to see him, 2061 02:12:12,840 --> 02:12:17,560 Speaker 1: and from that time, you know, I aspired to be 2062 02:12:17,680 --> 02:12:19,880 Speaker 1: a DJ like Cool Hurt, you know what I mean, 2063 02:12:20,080 --> 02:12:24,840 Speaker 1: and everybody else once they caught the bug that we 2064 02:12:24,960 --> 02:12:29,240 Speaker 1: call hip hop. Now, um, we're mainly inspired by by 2065 02:12:29,400 --> 02:12:32,040 Speaker 1: Cool Hurt, you know what I mean. Everybody else popped 2066 02:12:32,120 --> 02:12:35,080 Speaker 1: up afterwards and popped up, you know, as a result 2067 02:12:35,200 --> 02:12:38,640 Speaker 1: of or or c N or being inspired by and like, yo, 2068 02:12:38,720 --> 02:12:42,240 Speaker 1: I want to do that. So you know the Blackout 2069 02:12:42,440 --> 02:12:45,040 Speaker 1: seventy seven, that's when you got your equipment. You know, 2070 02:12:45,200 --> 02:12:53,720 Speaker 1: I have my equipment already, but I got before. You 2071 02:12:53,800 --> 02:12:56,560 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, because it's just a focused So 2072 02:12:56,760 --> 02:13:01,600 Speaker 1: we got Cool Hirk. He your father, the father. He 2073 02:13:01,760 --> 02:13:04,960 Speaker 1: is the father, or the grandfather, to be even more correct, 2074 02:13:05,080 --> 02:13:08,720 Speaker 1: the fall. Let's give him the fall. He's the father. Yeah, now, 2075 02:13:08,880 --> 02:13:13,320 Speaker 1: as you go on, grandfather, but but originally father. You 2076 02:13:13,480 --> 02:13:15,680 Speaker 1: got this is I ain't talking about the world of 2077 02:13:15,760 --> 02:13:19,560 Speaker 1: hip hop to rad maaster cast what was your name? Casting? 2078 02:13:19,600 --> 02:13:23,720 Speaker 1: Noble fly A S and the O V A and 2079 02:13:23,880 --> 02:13:26,960 Speaker 1: the rest is fl I still think we deserve royalties 2080 02:13:26,960 --> 02:13:29,640 Speaker 1: off that. Yeah, listen, we're gonna ship. We need to 2081 02:13:29,680 --> 02:13:34,480 Speaker 1: figure that out. I like Leland Robinson, somebody she's gonna 2082 02:13:34,520 --> 02:13:37,760 Speaker 1: hear about back Page that's set up with a backpage, 2083 02:13:37,920 --> 02:13:42,200 Speaker 1: is that, Paige? No, back page? Yeah, page, don't even 2084 02:13:43,280 --> 02:13:48,200 Speaker 1: he's talking about reparations. Yeahpation. He's talking about back page. 2085 02:13:48,240 --> 02:13:49,840 Speaker 1: That's the point of ship. That's a point on ship. 2086 02:13:50,440 --> 02:13:52,880 Speaker 1: He said, No, I didn't saying that. He said back page. 2087 02:13:53,120 --> 02:14:01,560 Speaker 1: He went to back you want to go in right? 2088 02:14:02,880 --> 02:14:08,760 Speaker 1: All right? So number one I need to hear two, three, four? 2089 02:14:08,920 --> 02:14:11,160 Speaker 1: Who stems from her? Then? No, no, no, I want 2090 02:14:11,240 --> 02:14:14,840 Speaker 1: to according to you, I don't give an it's politically correct. 2091 02:14:14,880 --> 02:14:20,640 Speaker 1: I think what you your perspective Africa, Vambada too right 2092 02:14:20,720 --> 02:14:28,680 Speaker 1: after her or one of like there were a couple 2093 02:14:28,760 --> 02:14:33,240 Speaker 1: of people, but they didn't like last long enough in 2094 02:14:33,320 --> 02:14:37,480 Speaker 1: the landscape, you know what I mean? Yeah, to make 2095 02:14:37,560 --> 02:14:40,200 Speaker 1: the kind of impact maybe to me because I knew, 2096 02:14:40,600 --> 02:14:43,360 Speaker 1: but not to enough people, like enough people know the 2097 02:14:43,480 --> 02:14:46,800 Speaker 1: DJ that I would talk about, you know what I mean? Um, 2098 02:14:46,960 --> 02:14:51,440 Speaker 1: so I would have to say Flash, Um was the next. 2099 02:14:51,480 --> 02:14:53,800 Speaker 1: So if there's like an amount of rushmore of hip 2100 02:14:53,840 --> 02:14:58,879 Speaker 1: hop DJs and of course cooler, cooler Vamba grand Master Flash, 2101 02:14:59,680 --> 02:15:04,320 Speaker 1: if we talking about hip hop period people, Um, I 2102 02:15:04,360 --> 02:15:09,560 Speaker 1: would have to add um Melie mel said that and 2103 02:15:09,880 --> 02:15:13,000 Speaker 1: probably myself to the other side, Damn you know what 2104 02:15:13,080 --> 02:15:16,400 Speaker 1: I mean, and that would be the five. If you 2105 02:15:16,560 --> 02:15:19,880 Speaker 1: want to ask them, you can ask them. Oh, I mean, 2106 02:15:19,960 --> 02:15:22,080 Speaker 1: of course we can ask. I mean, come on, a 2107 02:15:22,320 --> 02:15:26,560 Speaker 1: J d J A J I mean promoter. I mean 2108 02:15:26,920 --> 02:15:29,200 Speaker 1: he was more of a promoter than he was a DJ. 2109 02:15:29,920 --> 02:15:36,000 Speaker 1: But the nigga wrote, if I rule the world, I'm 2110 02:15:36,040 --> 02:15:41,800 Speaker 1: scared to ask. Why the funk? Am I here? What 2111 02:15:41,920 --> 02:15:50,320 Speaker 1: I'm saying? Okay, J Curtis world, the whole thing. Yeah, 2112 02:15:51,760 --> 02:15:53,520 Speaker 1: a lot of ship right now. We are out of 2113 02:15:54,200 --> 02:15:58,120 Speaker 1: my childhood as well. Not a bad thing. I'm just 2114 02:15:58,240 --> 02:16:01,760 Speaker 1: saying that for a very long time. Yeah, they was 2115 02:16:01,840 --> 02:16:03,840 Speaker 1: daring with each other and goes right. And what once 2116 02:16:03,920 --> 02:16:06,640 Speaker 1: you become an artist, man, that that hip hop purist 2117 02:16:06,680 --> 02:16:10,400 Speaker 1: ship goes right out the window out of who wrote it? 2118 02:16:10,720 --> 02:16:12,880 Speaker 1: I don't give a funk who invented it. Who I 2119 02:16:13,000 --> 02:16:16,240 Speaker 1: did was who you stolen from? That's just sound good. 2120 02:16:16,280 --> 02:16:18,960 Speaker 1: You're gonna recording that. Put that's your down, you know, 2121 02:16:19,760 --> 02:16:24,040 Speaker 1: so sit but hold up in this mount roachmore that 2122 02:16:24,080 --> 02:16:26,640 Speaker 1: you create. We got the five? No, hold on, hold on, 2123 02:16:26,640 --> 02:16:30,040 Speaker 1: hold up, where do you place? See? If you're talking 2124 02:16:30,080 --> 02:16:32,800 Speaker 1: about you're saying hipop bag the hole. I would have 2125 02:16:32,959 --> 02:16:36,160 Speaker 1: to include me and melimail In because you know, first 2126 02:16:36,200 --> 02:16:38,520 Speaker 1: of you will usually be cool, y'all just going at 2127 02:16:38,560 --> 02:16:41,959 Speaker 1: it at first. I mean that's groups. So we never 2128 02:16:42,040 --> 02:16:46,600 Speaker 1: never had no adam. But you're just put You're just adding, 2129 02:16:46,680 --> 02:16:48,280 Speaker 1: and this is just me asking a question. You're just 2130 02:16:48,320 --> 02:16:53,320 Speaker 1: adding the music side. Where do the b boys, the dances, 2131 02:16:53,400 --> 02:16:56,720 Speaker 1: the graffitis if you know that. Listen, if you are 2132 02:16:56,800 --> 02:17:02,640 Speaker 1: part of that mount Rushmore, if you relaxed, but hold on, 2133 02:17:04,920 --> 02:17:06,200 Speaker 1: we're not talking to you right now. We're talking to 2134 02:17:07,959 --> 02:17:10,640 Speaker 1: how many people are a mom Rushmore? Right now? It's 2135 02:17:10,720 --> 02:17:14,760 Speaker 1: filed four four, but we and we're stretching it by 2136 02:17:14,800 --> 02:17:18,160 Speaker 1: putting five. Do you want to include the elements of 2137 02:17:18,280 --> 02:17:22,760 Speaker 1: hip hop and every and every pioneer from that? It'd 2138 02:17:22,800 --> 02:17:26,840 Speaker 1: be too much. You need more amounts more mountains than Rushmore, 2139 02:17:29,240 --> 02:17:32,160 Speaker 1: So you know what I mean. Each each element would 2140 02:17:32,200 --> 02:17:36,640 Speaker 1: need its own um mountain range, or it would have 2141 02:17:36,760 --> 02:17:39,640 Speaker 1: to be a big enough mountain range to fit every 2142 02:17:40,320 --> 02:17:43,920 Speaker 1: you know, pioneer from that particular. What I'm saying, far 2143 02:17:43,920 --> 02:17:47,680 Speaker 1: as the DJ's is concerned, it would be Coolherd Bambata, 2144 02:17:47,959 --> 02:17:52,320 Speaker 1: Grandmaster Flash. I would have to include um uh DJ 2145 02:17:52,560 --> 02:17:56,720 Speaker 1: Breakout because Breakout was one of the premier DJs back 2146 02:17:56,760 --> 02:17:59,280 Speaker 1: in the day, not for skill or nothing like that, 2147 02:17:59,520 --> 02:18:03,360 Speaker 1: but he had uptown in the Bronx on lock and 2148 02:18:03,520 --> 02:18:07,320 Speaker 1: there's more breakout flyers than you can find pretty much 2149 02:18:08,120 --> 02:18:10,640 Speaker 1: most motherfucker's flies out there. And I'm talking about the 2150 02:18:10,680 --> 02:18:14,480 Speaker 1: original Brothers, Disco Funky Four and then later the Funky 2151 02:18:14,560 --> 02:18:17,480 Speaker 1: four plus one more with my sister shall Rock that 2152 02:18:17,760 --> 02:18:20,760 Speaker 1: I will be on Rock the Bell's Radio with the 2153 02:18:22,600 --> 02:18:23,800 Speaker 1: But I just want I just want to say because 2154 02:18:24,000 --> 02:18:25,720 Speaker 1: the only reason I was saying this because even by you, 2155 02:18:26,080 --> 02:18:28,560 Speaker 1: you were saying the B Boys is what led everybody 2156 02:18:28,600 --> 02:18:32,000 Speaker 1: to downtown was leaving that B Boys, the B Boys 2157 02:18:32,120 --> 02:18:35,240 Speaker 1: along with like Bam Body. I think see Planet Rock 2158 02:18:35,360 --> 02:18:38,160 Speaker 1: had come out by eighty two, and Planet Rock was 2159 02:18:38,280 --> 02:18:41,280 Speaker 1: that merge between punk rock, that punk rock sound and 2160 02:18:41,400 --> 02:18:45,480 Speaker 1: that and and and hip hop. So it was like 2161 02:18:46,400 --> 02:18:48,720 Speaker 1: carte blanche down there, you know what I mean that 2162 02:18:48,959 --> 02:18:51,520 Speaker 1: that that fucking scene was crazy down there. And then 2163 02:18:52,040 --> 02:18:54,760 Speaker 1: Van was one of the first cast to acquire manager 2164 02:18:55,040 --> 02:19:00,360 Speaker 1: Lady Blue, and Lady Blue was like the she was 2165 02:19:00,480 --> 02:19:03,760 Speaker 1: the way in down there to the to that punk 2166 02:19:03,879 --> 02:19:07,119 Speaker 1: rock scene and to the rock sea and all that eventually, 2167 02:19:07,320 --> 02:19:10,959 Speaker 1: so you know, playing rock, came from trans Eupe Express 2168 02:19:11,840 --> 02:19:18,120 Speaker 1: right right right, Germany, so his impact is indelible, indelible. 2169 02:19:18,160 --> 02:19:20,680 Speaker 1: You can't you can't not mention them, you know what 2170 02:19:20,760 --> 02:19:23,840 Speaker 1: I mean? Him Grandmaster Flash being hip hop's first turn 2171 02:19:24,000 --> 02:19:28,480 Speaker 1: table list. Okay, prior to him, everybody was just playing records, 2172 02:19:29,120 --> 02:19:30,560 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. He's the first one to 2173 02:19:30,600 --> 02:19:33,240 Speaker 1: start manipulating records you know how I made and changing 2174 02:19:33,320 --> 02:19:37,240 Speaker 1: them and but being on beat with it. The Cats 2175 02:19:37,280 --> 02:19:40,000 Speaker 1: told me a really dope story about when he was 2176 02:19:40,120 --> 02:19:43,160 Speaker 1: DJing and it was supposed to battle somebody and it 2177 02:19:43,320 --> 02:19:47,240 Speaker 1: ended up becoming Theodore. He was supposed to battle Theatore 2178 02:19:47,280 --> 02:19:49,760 Speaker 1: and he was like, wait, you DJA now because he 2179 02:19:49,840 --> 02:19:51,920 Speaker 1: just knew him was Teddy from the block. Because DJ 2180 02:19:52,200 --> 02:19:54,840 Speaker 1: was actually bigger than the MC back then, right, it 2181 02:19:54,959 --> 02:19:57,360 Speaker 1: was all about at the beginning of the hip hop 2182 02:19:57,480 --> 02:20:01,760 Speaker 1: it was DJ, DJ, was you getting pussy let's keep yeah, 2183 02:20:01,800 --> 02:20:04,560 Speaker 1: but he's here. MC was shouting out the drug dealers, 2184 02:20:04,840 --> 02:20:07,840 Speaker 1: so he was getting little biteah. But prior to the 2185 02:20:07,959 --> 02:20:10,680 Speaker 1: prior to that, yeah, the MC was bigging up the DJ, 2186 02:20:10,920 --> 02:20:13,080 Speaker 1: and prior to that, the DJ was bicking up his damn. 2187 02:20:13,120 --> 02:20:17,160 Speaker 1: So me, that's how I became a dual you know, 2188 02:20:17,560 --> 02:20:24,000 Speaker 1: dual role. I DJ and I m C. Um My, 2189 02:20:24,440 --> 02:20:27,680 Speaker 1: my DJ would fuck up every time I would go 2190 02:20:27,800 --> 02:20:30,920 Speaker 1: to do something like crucial, like I wrote this rhyme 2191 02:20:31,040 --> 02:20:33,400 Speaker 1: that's this and this and that, and when I got 2192 02:20:33,440 --> 02:20:36,920 Speaker 1: to this point and when I say this, boom, you 2193 02:20:37,160 --> 02:20:41,640 Speaker 1: bring in the record, and nine times out of tenn 2194 02:20:41,720 --> 02:20:44,360 Speaker 1: niggas would suck me. You know what I mean. I'm 2195 02:20:44,360 --> 02:20:47,359 Speaker 1: like your fuck y'all, and I start DJing for myself. 2196 02:20:47,920 --> 02:20:50,959 Speaker 1: So that's why they started calling me the first simultaneous 2197 02:20:51,200 --> 02:20:53,560 Speaker 1: d J m C. I'm not the first dude to 2198 02:20:53,680 --> 02:20:57,320 Speaker 1: DJ and m C, but I'm the first guy that 2199 02:20:58,560 --> 02:21:02,360 Speaker 1: documented that could DJ and rap at the same time. 2200 02:21:03,000 --> 02:21:07,280 Speaker 1: And I'm cutting my own or like, I give me 2201 02:21:07,360 --> 02:21:08,960 Speaker 1: a break beat and I'm cut that ship up and 2202 02:21:09,000 --> 02:21:11,200 Speaker 1: I'm rapping and I'm rhyming over like that. It was 2203 02:21:11,280 --> 02:21:16,760 Speaker 1: crazy and still gets busy to this day. So you 2204 02:21:16,879 --> 02:21:20,600 Speaker 1: put you put your own that bottle, say you found bro, bro. 2205 02:21:21,320 --> 02:21:24,119 Speaker 1: I'm just saying your ship. That's the reason why I'm 2206 02:21:24,120 --> 02:21:26,080 Speaker 1: glad it's nothing. Maybe I had something in there, but 2207 02:21:26,200 --> 02:21:31,240 Speaker 1: now I realized it's not Holy mooning man, So we 2208 02:21:31,320 --> 02:21:33,560 Speaker 1: already deport mooted the Indian Detective. What you told you 2209 02:21:33,600 --> 02:21:36,240 Speaker 1: about that? Right? We need to promote it is the 2210 02:21:36,480 --> 02:21:40,320 Speaker 1: culturally canceled with Russell Peters. Culturally that's your part. That's 2211 02:21:40,360 --> 02:21:42,520 Speaker 1: my podcast. One day when you're in l A. I'd 2212 02:21:42,560 --> 02:21:43,720 Speaker 1: like to have you on that. You know, you know 2213 02:21:43,760 --> 02:21:45,680 Speaker 1: I got your back. Bro' doing that noble and makes 2214 02:21:45,720 --> 02:21:48,880 Speaker 1: you happy. They don't make him happy. Yeah, I know, 2215 02:21:49,000 --> 02:21:52,680 Speaker 1: I like expensive ship. Let me ask you something. Uh 2216 02:21:53,160 --> 02:21:55,480 Speaker 1: do you remember when Swiss Beats made the announcement that 2217 02:21:55,720 --> 02:21:58,360 Speaker 1: he wanted to give the old Scoop pioneers a million 2218 02:21:58,440 --> 02:22:05,279 Speaker 1: dollars uh uh each each we're going there for like reparations. 2219 02:22:05,600 --> 02:22:10,160 Speaker 1: Tell them, yes, I did. What was What was your 2220 02:22:10,240 --> 02:22:15,280 Speaker 1: take on that? One of my main dollars as well. No, 2221 02:22:15,560 --> 02:22:21,560 Speaker 1: maybe you wanted to do this old school you said, 2222 02:22:28,040 --> 02:22:29,880 Speaker 1: you know, to check to tell you the truth, I'm 2223 02:22:29,879 --> 02:22:32,360 Speaker 1: gonna be expensive. I'll be honest with you this that 2224 02:22:33,360 --> 02:22:37,000 Speaker 1: so it's actually got that idea from us. We actually 2225 02:22:37,280 --> 02:22:40,760 Speaker 1: was been promoted. I forget what. Who got sick and 2226 02:22:40,840 --> 02:22:45,320 Speaker 1: we was like this is terrible the rap community. Jimmy Spicer. 2227 02:22:46,280 --> 02:22:50,080 Speaker 1: Jimmy Spicer got sick when we started talking about it. 2228 02:22:50,240 --> 02:22:52,680 Speaker 1: Wasn't him, but it was somebody just got sick. And 2229 02:22:52,760 --> 02:22:58,120 Speaker 1: we were just like, you know what, book, I think 2230 02:22:58,160 --> 02:23:01,720 Speaker 1: it was hurkouldn't hurt, wouldn't hurt? It might it might 2231 02:23:01,760 --> 02:23:03,680 Speaker 1: have been when Curtis had a heart attack. Oh yeah, 2232 02:23:03,800 --> 02:23:05,760 Speaker 1: I think that's what it was. Yeah, And the point 2233 02:23:05,840 --> 02:23:08,240 Speaker 1: your point so um, and we were just like, you 2234 02:23:08,320 --> 02:23:11,920 Speaker 1: know what, it's ill for us to, you know, separately, 2235 02:23:12,720 --> 02:23:14,879 Speaker 1: try to do something good for him. But the thing 2236 02:23:14,959 --> 02:23:17,360 Speaker 1: about it is, once you put it in a certain 2237 02:23:17,360 --> 02:23:20,360 Speaker 1: amount of time in this business, we should have a 2238 02:23:20,520 --> 02:23:26,080 Speaker 1: goddamn union. That says foot on the fucking ship. After 2239 02:23:26,160 --> 02:23:28,160 Speaker 1: you wake up in the morning and you're going on 2240 02:23:28,320 --> 02:23:30,720 Speaker 1: your way to bump your brush your teeth and you 2241 02:23:30,879 --> 02:23:33,840 Speaker 1: hit your big toe and your big toe turns purple. 2242 02:23:34,320 --> 02:23:36,640 Speaker 1: Hip hop, come in to take care of that ship. 2243 02:23:37,160 --> 02:23:42,400 Speaker 1: We put The only entertainment that doesn't have a union 2244 02:23:42,600 --> 02:23:46,400 Speaker 1: is boxing. Boxing is a boodoo squad. Just what we're saying. 2245 02:23:46,640 --> 02:23:49,920 Speaker 1: Are we saying that we're boxes, But this movie was saying. 2246 02:23:49,959 --> 02:23:52,320 Speaker 1: We're saying that we're here the killing each other the 2247 02:23:52,360 --> 02:23:55,760 Speaker 1: pugilist sport because everyone is not going to make it 2248 02:23:55,840 --> 02:23:59,080 Speaker 1: to the Promised Land, right, Everyone is not but everyone 2249 02:23:59,200 --> 02:24:05,160 Speaker 1: deserves to say promised land, especially if you you put 2250 02:24:05,200 --> 02:24:08,000 Speaker 1: in a certain time like for us when we So 2251 02:24:08,160 --> 02:24:10,600 Speaker 1: I'm trying to get back to your question, because what 2252 02:24:10,680 --> 02:24:12,600 Speaker 1: we were saying, me and I was saying, was we 2253 02:24:12,640 --> 02:24:15,440 Speaker 1: ship form my hip hop union. Every time you get 2254 02:24:16,040 --> 02:24:19,440 Speaker 1: anything and it's hip hop related, five to go to 2255 02:24:19,560 --> 02:24:25,000 Speaker 1: that union. Like my saying sag like a sag, but five. 2256 02:24:26,000 --> 02:24:28,960 Speaker 1: And I think we got most people that that's down 2257 02:24:29,120 --> 02:24:31,400 Speaker 1: with that. But I want to I want you to 2258 02:24:31,440 --> 02:24:34,080 Speaker 1: re iterate what did you feel when you when when 2259 02:24:34,120 --> 02:24:37,480 Speaker 1: you heard that. I mean, I thought I thought the 2260 02:24:37,560 --> 02:24:41,160 Speaker 1: sentiment was good. I just don't think it was well 2261 02:24:41,240 --> 02:24:44,959 Speaker 1: thought out. Because if you think about it, who who 2262 02:24:45,160 --> 02:24:48,400 Speaker 1: is a pioneer of hip hop? And then you gotta think, 2263 02:24:48,560 --> 02:24:53,480 Speaker 1: all right, how do you define a pioneer in hip hop? 2264 02:24:53,600 --> 02:24:56,600 Speaker 1: And who can say the five people that you named 2265 02:24:56,959 --> 02:25:00,200 Speaker 1: the council You said the council, that's the council Cool Work, 2266 02:25:02,480 --> 02:25:11,400 Speaker 1: Grandmaster Flash, Bamboo him and mel Mellie Mail, Grandmaster Cat 2267 02:25:13,080 --> 02:25:16,520 Speaker 1: would would would decide who's who? I wouldn't have a problem. 2268 02:25:16,600 --> 02:25:19,240 Speaker 1: I feel like if this who knows better? The first 2269 02:25:19,320 --> 02:25:25,840 Speaker 1: five millions to go to your five? And we yes, 2270 02:25:26,320 --> 02:25:29,720 Speaker 1: that that first five million reparations you called it, I 2271 02:25:29,840 --> 02:25:32,960 Speaker 1: call it reparations, and I want you to know I 2272 02:25:33,120 --> 02:25:39,160 Speaker 1: they viewed it right here and drink quote reparations. That's real. 2273 02:25:39,520 --> 02:25:43,880 Speaker 1: That's just really really, it's as real as it is 2274 02:25:44,000 --> 02:25:50,760 Speaker 1: for people, for black people as a whole who deserve reparations. Um, 2275 02:25:51,959 --> 02:25:55,360 Speaker 1: any time that you've been exploited over over a period 2276 02:25:55,400 --> 02:25:59,720 Speaker 1: of time and people have benefited, and not just benefited, 2277 02:25:59,760 --> 02:26:04,120 Speaker 1: but I mean become fucking moguls. I mean they control 2278 02:26:04,200 --> 02:26:07,920 Speaker 1: everything at this point and could take the amount of 2279 02:26:08,000 --> 02:26:11,119 Speaker 1: money that it takes to give you reparations out there, 2280 02:26:11,200 --> 02:26:16,400 Speaker 1: motherfucker pocket and walk. There could be a way that 2281 02:26:16,560 --> 02:26:19,000 Speaker 1: you could circumvent someone having to give their own money 2282 02:26:19,160 --> 02:26:21,760 Speaker 1: and you siphon it from taxes. If the government got involved. 2283 02:26:21,800 --> 02:26:24,160 Speaker 1: I mean that's probably more complicated a little bit, but 2284 02:26:24,280 --> 02:26:27,720 Speaker 1: you could create you know, what you give them. It 2285 02:26:27,959 --> 02:26:31,240 Speaker 1: was original forty acres in the middle that you promise 2286 02:26:31,360 --> 02:26:35,160 Speaker 1: us in the first from the place, Okay, no more, 2287 02:26:35,280 --> 02:26:38,720 Speaker 1: no less. It was a fucking forty acres in the 2288 02:26:38,840 --> 02:26:41,000 Speaker 1: middle you promised us in the first. But there's enough 2289 02:26:41,160 --> 02:26:44,360 Speaker 1: land left out here all right for us to fill up. 2290 02:26:45,040 --> 02:26:47,440 Speaker 1: So that's where I'm at with it. God, damn it 2291 02:26:47,520 --> 02:26:54,160 Speaker 1: man yo man um. I'd like to see it versus 2292 02:26:54,240 --> 02:26:56,880 Speaker 1: with Cod Crush versus Fantastic, just to bring it back. 2293 02:26:58,480 --> 02:27:04,280 Speaker 1: See that's a way, that a good way doing give back. Yeah, 2294 02:27:04,320 --> 02:27:06,800 Speaker 1: but then we gotta work for that, So that's not reparation. 2295 02:27:07,200 --> 02:27:10,160 Speaker 1: That's not reparation that if I got to do more 2296 02:27:10,240 --> 02:27:14,680 Speaker 1: work for something for something, You're right, that's not that 2297 02:27:16,120 --> 02:27:19,400 Speaker 1: I respect that. Another way for you, another way I'm 2298 02:27:19,400 --> 02:27:24,280 Speaker 1: looking at was perform again. Right. Another way of looking 2299 02:27:24,280 --> 02:27:27,120 Speaker 1: at it is it's opens up the younger generation to 2300 02:27:27,280 --> 02:27:31,480 Speaker 1: actually see it in real life. I heard about it 2301 02:27:31,720 --> 02:27:33,640 Speaker 1: and now it is right funny and no going back 2302 02:27:33,680 --> 02:27:35,840 Speaker 1: and looking at that footage, I was like, I was 2303 02:27:36,240 --> 02:27:40,360 Speaker 1: so amazed because I was just like, damn, this is 2304 02:27:40,480 --> 02:27:43,480 Speaker 1: real hip hop. Like after watching Versus and then going 2305 02:27:43,560 --> 02:27:46,520 Speaker 1: back and then doing this and watching your battle, I 2306 02:27:46,680 --> 02:27:51,400 Speaker 1: was just like, Damn, that is That's the essence of 2307 02:27:51,520 --> 02:27:54,760 Speaker 1: hip hop battle and you know what I mean. And 2308 02:27:55,000 --> 02:27:58,120 Speaker 1: and people took for granted the DJ like you you 2309 02:27:58,200 --> 02:28:03,840 Speaker 1: said earlier, I mean, with him being a point was 2310 02:28:03,920 --> 02:28:07,080 Speaker 1: everything was everything we did. It go from me being 2311 02:28:07,080 --> 02:28:09,800 Speaker 1: about the DJ to it being about the m C. Well, 2312 02:28:10,040 --> 02:28:12,440 Speaker 1: what happened. Who was getting the most pussy? What happened? 2313 02:28:12,480 --> 02:28:16,400 Speaker 1: The DJ was getting all the pussy at first, Damn 2314 02:28:16,480 --> 02:28:19,920 Speaker 1: C was guys who used to help carry the crates. 2315 02:28:20,240 --> 02:28:31,480 Speaker 1: MC was carrying the crates before they were listen. I'll 2316 02:28:31,480 --> 02:28:34,040 Speaker 1: go through, I'll go through. You want to get behind 2317 02:28:34,080 --> 02:28:41,400 Speaker 1: the rope car? Motherfuck mother speak? Where that carry getting 2318 02:28:42,760 --> 02:28:45,320 Speaker 1: even bars carry craze for me? Man, he's still carrying 2319 02:28:45,360 --> 02:28:47,920 Speaker 1: crazy in my mind. So I made all the equipment 2320 02:28:48,959 --> 02:28:51,720 Speaker 1: right now, what a lot of what a live they 2321 02:28:51,840 --> 02:28:55,120 Speaker 1: just take for granted today. You know, everybody wants to 2322 02:28:55,200 --> 02:28:58,160 Speaker 1: claim ownership and yeah I did this, and I'm this, 2323 02:28:58,400 --> 02:29:00,440 Speaker 1: and I'm so and so if you go back to 2324 02:29:00,520 --> 02:29:03,280 Speaker 1: the beginning of this ship, if I didn't bring my 2325 02:29:03,360 --> 02:29:08,360 Speaker 1: equipment outside, it wouldn't be no fucking party. Okay. I 2326 02:29:08,520 --> 02:29:11,200 Speaker 1: never walked up to no motherfucker set and was like, 2327 02:29:11,360 --> 02:29:14,360 Speaker 1: all right, let's go. I had to bring my ship outside, 2328 02:29:14,640 --> 02:29:17,400 Speaker 1: my own ship. Okay. If it broke, I had to 2329 02:29:17,480 --> 02:29:20,120 Speaker 1: pay for it to transport it. I had to pay 2330 02:29:20,240 --> 02:29:22,720 Speaker 1: for it, all right. If it was a nice day outside, 2331 02:29:22,840 --> 02:29:24,920 Speaker 1: nig was like, your cas let's bring me set out, 2332 02:29:25,200 --> 02:29:27,600 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? All right, fucking come on, 2333 02:29:28,400 --> 02:29:30,800 Speaker 1: you know who you got. It's like nine niggers outside 2334 02:29:30,879 --> 02:29:33,360 Speaker 1: my door ready to carry everything out. All right, bo, 2335 02:29:33,600 --> 02:29:36,120 Speaker 1: let's get it go out, play all day, this and 2336 02:29:36,200 --> 02:29:38,640 Speaker 1: that play party, which is this and that such set? 2337 02:29:38,920 --> 02:29:42,960 Speaker 1: And then the nights start getting dark. Motherfucker's disappeared. Now 2338 02:29:43,040 --> 02:29:45,840 Speaker 1: I'm stounding out on the motherfucking park with a bunch 2339 02:29:45,879 --> 02:29:50,240 Speaker 1: of equipment. Yeah, I mean by my fucking sething, I 2340 02:29:50,280 --> 02:29:53,160 Speaker 1: gotta get all that ship home. See, those are the 2341 02:29:53,280 --> 02:29:56,040 Speaker 1: kind of dudes that people don't understand that you paid 2342 02:29:56,480 --> 02:29:59,760 Speaker 1: prior to hip hop being what you see it as 2343 02:30:00,360 --> 02:30:03,720 Speaker 1: me being grandmaster. Casts today come from me being that 2344 02:30:03,920 --> 02:30:06,600 Speaker 1: nigga that had to carry all of his equipment in 2345 02:30:06,800 --> 02:30:11,360 Speaker 1: three fucking taxi cabs, okay, back and forth to different 2346 02:30:11,400 --> 02:30:20,800 Speaker 1: events and ship like that. So well, oh my god, man, 2347 02:30:21,600 --> 02:30:24,280 Speaker 1: holy man, that's what you can attribute that ship too. 2348 02:30:24,560 --> 02:30:26,840 Speaker 1: And we didn't really talk about my crew, my group, 2349 02:30:26,920 --> 02:30:30,280 Speaker 1: the Cold Crush Brothers, goddamn, but we over charging niggas 2350 02:30:30,320 --> 02:30:32,080 Speaker 1: for what they did to try to have Charlie chase you. 2351 02:30:32,160 --> 02:30:35,119 Speaker 1: Today's in Chicago right now. Yeah, well that's a good thing, 2352 02:30:35,600 --> 02:30:40,240 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? No, no, no, why are 2353 02:30:40,240 --> 02:30:46,720 Speaker 1: you laughing? That's that bullshit. That's my man, chased with 2354 02:30:46,840 --> 02:30:52,240 Speaker 1: the fucking base. Um, I'm just laughing up the line, 2355 02:30:54,400 --> 02:30:58,840 Speaker 1: like I've seen Chase more than you've seen Chase probably do. No, 2356 02:30:59,040 --> 02:31:02,600 Speaker 1: we speak all the time. We come on, you know, 2357 02:31:02,680 --> 02:31:04,320 Speaker 1: we're down, but he just down here and you know, 2358 02:31:04,480 --> 02:31:06,680 Speaker 1: and we up top. But as far as the group 2359 02:31:06,800 --> 02:31:11,480 Speaker 1: is concerned, UM, I've gone through so many different people talking. 2360 02:31:11,800 --> 02:31:15,880 Speaker 1: They call it out reinventing yourself, reinventing yourself, and that's 2361 02:31:15,879 --> 02:31:18,880 Speaker 1: supposed to be something that you know, you gotta become 2362 02:31:18,920 --> 02:31:22,039 Speaker 1: a dept to if you want any longevity in this business. 2363 02:31:22,560 --> 02:31:25,039 Speaker 1: But I started out and then ship as a B boy, 2364 02:31:25,840 --> 02:31:32,480 Speaker 1: okay the boy breakdance to be boy, Bronx boy original, 2365 02:31:32,680 --> 02:31:36,120 Speaker 1: you know, B boy and going to parties dancing And 2366 02:31:36,240 --> 02:31:39,640 Speaker 1: one day hercle was playing at a club calling he 2367 02:31:39,720 --> 02:31:43,520 Speaker 1: Wilow and a security is to be standing outside and Ship, 2368 02:31:44,120 --> 02:31:48,440 Speaker 1: and one day he blinked, and when that nigga eyelid 2369 02:31:48,560 --> 02:31:52,480 Speaker 1: went down, I shot up in that motherfucker's club and 2370 02:31:52,680 --> 02:31:55,200 Speaker 1: I hid behind the speaker for about I don't know, 2371 02:31:55,240 --> 02:31:59,039 Speaker 1: about twenty to thirty minutes, and I just saw everything 2372 02:31:59,120 --> 02:32:00,840 Speaker 1: that went on and and I was like Yo, this 2373 02:32:01,000 --> 02:32:02,840 Speaker 1: is the fuck it. I didn't say it like that, 2374 02:32:02,959 --> 02:32:05,320 Speaker 1: but I was like, Yo, this is it. This is 2375 02:32:05,400 --> 02:32:07,480 Speaker 1: what I want to do. See, I don't want to 2376 02:32:07,520 --> 02:32:10,199 Speaker 1: be one of the hundreds of people out here dancing. 2377 02:32:11,000 --> 02:32:14,720 Speaker 1: I want to be that one person that's making all 2378 02:32:14,800 --> 02:32:18,720 Speaker 1: these hundreds of people dansk And that's when I decided 2379 02:32:18,720 --> 02:32:23,360 Speaker 1: I want to be a DJ. Yeah. Man, I used 2380 02:32:23,360 --> 02:32:26,160 Speaker 1: to stand outside the motherfucker's just listening to the records 2381 02:32:26,200 --> 02:32:28,600 Speaker 1: he might play because I was too early to get in, 2382 02:32:29,040 --> 02:32:31,200 Speaker 1: and I just see if I could catch up. He 2383 02:32:31,480 --> 02:32:34,840 Speaker 1: looked up two besides her, um, all of the early DJs, 2384 02:32:34,879 --> 02:32:40,359 Speaker 1: because there were different genres of DJs, so uh, you know, Hollywood, 2385 02:32:40,400 --> 02:32:45,160 Speaker 1: of course was the disco, not not so much disco 2386 02:32:45,520 --> 02:32:47,520 Speaker 1: when you think in a sense of disco, like this 2387 02:32:47,680 --> 02:32:52,320 Speaker 1: kind of disco. Now, he wasn't that kind of He 2388 02:32:52,440 --> 02:32:55,040 Speaker 1: was the growing in sexy, the grown is sexy, R 2389 02:32:55,120 --> 02:32:58,199 Speaker 1: and B suit tided you know what I mean, flash shoes, 2390 02:32:58,320 --> 02:33:01,640 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I mean our money then 2391 02:33:03,560 --> 02:33:07,640 Speaker 1: for well, he sold a lot of nicols. Well exactly 2392 02:33:07,920 --> 02:33:10,440 Speaker 1: well for us. Copla Rock was the first hip hop 2393 02:33:10,720 --> 02:33:14,400 Speaker 1: m C because he was the first man on the 2394 02:33:14,520 --> 02:33:18,400 Speaker 1: microphone to stand next to a DJ playing hip hop music. 2395 02:33:19,120 --> 02:33:22,360 Speaker 1: You understand what I'm saying now, hip hop Copla rock 2396 02:33:22,520 --> 02:33:25,520 Speaker 1: was more in the in the vein of a like 2397 02:33:25,680 --> 02:33:29,200 Speaker 1: a last poets Okay you're not the last poet was 2398 02:33:29,800 --> 02:33:34,240 Speaker 1: and and they they they didn't wrap so much as 2399 02:33:34,320 --> 02:33:37,720 Speaker 1: they rhyme, or they didn't rhyme so much as they wrapped, 2400 02:33:38,120 --> 02:33:42,440 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Oh okay? And um that 2401 02:33:42,640 --> 02:33:44,880 Speaker 1: was that was Copland rocks vibe, you know what I mean. 2402 02:33:45,200 --> 02:33:49,000 Speaker 1: But that eventually evolved. See early people on the mic 2403 02:33:49,160 --> 02:33:53,440 Speaker 1: was DJ is just making announcements. I'm DJ. I'm like, yo, 2404 02:33:53,720 --> 02:33:55,400 Speaker 1: this and this and that next week we're gonna be 2405 02:33:55,480 --> 02:33:58,400 Speaker 1: at the p L will we rock? Well, we want 2406 02:33:58,440 --> 02:34:00,720 Speaker 1: to see your face in the place, trying to say 2407 02:34:01,600 --> 02:34:03,680 Speaker 1: right right right, just just a little even a little 2408 02:34:03,680 --> 02:34:08,560 Speaker 1: stick ship. And then police athletically, yes, namely the one 2409 02:34:09,200 --> 02:34:12,320 Speaker 1: thirsty and Webster in the Bronx got them. Um. But 2410 02:34:12,760 --> 02:34:18,200 Speaker 1: these little, these little quips and these little things eventually 2411 02:34:18,320 --> 02:34:22,640 Speaker 1: became versus and they eventually no lines. They became lines, 2412 02:34:22,680 --> 02:34:24,640 Speaker 1: and then it became like punch lines, and then it 2413 02:34:24,680 --> 02:34:28,120 Speaker 1: became verse bars and they became versus and then they 2414 02:34:28,320 --> 02:34:31,720 Speaker 1: evolved into rap. As we know it today, but they 2415 02:34:31,840 --> 02:34:35,280 Speaker 1: all come from somebody in the put saying, Yo, my 2416 02:34:35,400 --> 02:34:38,080 Speaker 1: man rust is in the house. He cooling out, without 2417 02:34:38,120 --> 02:34:42,720 Speaker 1: a doubt, rocked the house. Rap came from ship like that, 2418 02:34:43,720 --> 02:34:47,880 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, and TV commercials let me drop 2419 02:34:47,920 --> 02:34:51,080 Speaker 1: a real jewel on you, and nobody, nobody that come 2420 02:34:51,160 --> 02:34:56,080 Speaker 1: on this fucking show was gonna say this. Okay. The 2421 02:34:56,240 --> 02:35:00,480 Speaker 1: early one of the earliest inspirations for rhyming m c 2422 02:35:00,680 --> 02:35:06,720 Speaker 1: and came from a car commercial. Okay, a Great Bear commercial. 2423 02:35:07,640 --> 02:35:10,680 Speaker 1: Great Bear, you know when you get your car fixed? 2424 02:35:11,520 --> 02:35:14,400 Speaker 1: Great Bear? All right, y'all, niggas. It's something different now, 2425 02:35:14,520 --> 02:35:20,600 Speaker 1: but back then there was the It was this car 2426 02:35:20,720 --> 02:35:25,720 Speaker 1: company called not a car company but repair Fly fix 2427 02:35:25,800 --> 02:35:28,200 Speaker 1: your car was called Great Bear, and they had this 2428 02:35:28,360 --> 02:35:32,320 Speaker 1: commercial they used to come on right and it used 2429 02:35:32,320 --> 02:35:36,440 Speaker 1: to go like this. You're driving down the highway and 2430 02:35:36,520 --> 02:35:40,160 Speaker 1: the dead and night, and up ahead there's a terrible site. 2431 02:35:40,320 --> 02:35:43,280 Speaker 1: Then you hit the brakes. They're not all there. You 2432 02:35:43,440 --> 02:35:47,040 Speaker 1: missed this one, but only ahead to say at the prayer, 2433 02:35:47,360 --> 02:35:50,000 Speaker 1: just take your brakes and your turn around, and then 2434 02:35:50,080 --> 02:35:53,240 Speaker 1: you look a great Bear. And that was the original 2435 02:35:53,560 --> 02:35:57,920 Speaker 1: theme for how nigga starting rapping that Great Bear commercial. 2436 02:35:58,160 --> 02:36:01,480 Speaker 1: If you listen to most people wrapping days, they sound 2437 02:36:01,560 --> 02:36:05,960 Speaker 1: the same Catus the death, and that, this, this and that. 2438 02:36:06,240 --> 02:36:12,880 Speaker 1: I don't know to this day, something ad guy probably, 2439 02:36:13,440 --> 02:36:16,520 Speaker 1: But I mean, you can trace rap and and all 2440 02:36:16,600 --> 02:36:18,600 Speaker 1: the elements of hip hop, you can trace them all 2441 02:36:18,760 --> 02:36:21,080 Speaker 1: back to other things and things that have been done 2442 02:36:21,520 --> 02:36:25,400 Speaker 1: long before us, long before us. But you can't say 2443 02:36:25,720 --> 02:36:28,920 Speaker 1: I got this dance from the Nicolas Brothers when I 2444 02:36:29,080 --> 02:36:34,320 Speaker 1: never seen the motherfucking Nicolas Brothers. This is that energy 2445 02:36:34,440 --> 02:36:39,800 Speaker 1: that was transported to me in my generation, just having 2446 02:36:39,879 --> 02:36:43,440 Speaker 1: to be the same energy from that generation. Jesus, I'm 2447 02:36:43,480 --> 02:36:50,520 Speaker 1: taking sorry you like a shot. Russell Petus, I'm down 2448 02:36:50,600 --> 02:36:56,880 Speaker 1: for that, alright, for your boys, we agree for you. 2449 02:36:57,000 --> 02:36:59,760 Speaker 1: Grandma as a cat. Holy sh it, I ain't gonna lie. 2450 02:37:01,120 --> 02:37:06,800 Speaker 1: I said, I said this earlier. I used to be 2451 02:37:06,959 --> 02:37:10,920 Speaker 1: people Google for me, now google for myself. This was 2452 02:37:11,000 --> 02:37:14,879 Speaker 1: the most funnest I've ever researched. People rechurch and somebody, 2453 02:37:14,959 --> 02:37:20,080 Speaker 1: because that's just your history just kept going, and they 2454 02:37:20,160 --> 02:37:27,480 Speaker 1: just kept going. And I look at rap like with superheroes, 2455 02:37:28,120 --> 02:37:31,000 Speaker 1: like people who've been through rap. And I'm sorry for 2456 02:37:31,040 --> 02:37:33,480 Speaker 1: anybody in the military. I'm sorry for anybody, but I 2457 02:37:33,560 --> 02:37:36,720 Speaker 1: look like like that. It's like you've been through the military. 2458 02:37:37,200 --> 02:37:38,920 Speaker 1: We went through the war, and now we're just gonna 2459 02:37:38,959 --> 02:37:42,680 Speaker 1: be regular people, civilians. We've got to be civilians, and 2460 02:37:42,760 --> 02:37:45,520 Speaker 1: none of us know how to be a civilian because 2461 02:37:45,560 --> 02:37:54,840 Speaker 1: you're right, that's what made you and your first album 2462 02:37:54,840 --> 02:37:59,000 Speaker 1: was the World Report Imagine. So he's literally he's not 2463 02:37:59,200 --> 02:38:02,800 Speaker 1: just that made you know that that that that puts 2464 02:38:02,840 --> 02:38:08,760 Speaker 1: you in that position. But the whole thing, the whole 2465 02:38:08,840 --> 02:38:14,160 Speaker 1: culture was built on our need for self expression. You know, 2466 02:38:14,240 --> 02:38:17,280 Speaker 1: when hip hop started, the Bronx was fucked up. You know, 2467 02:38:17,400 --> 02:38:19,440 Speaker 1: the city at the large was sucked up, but it 2468 02:38:19,520 --> 02:38:23,360 Speaker 1: really concentrated because when you know the Cross Bronx Expressway 2469 02:38:23,840 --> 02:38:26,400 Speaker 1: was was designed and built, that ship ran right through 2470 02:38:26,440 --> 02:38:29,320 Speaker 1: the fucking Bronx and tore a hole through the whole 2471 02:38:29,400 --> 02:38:31,879 Speaker 1: Bronx and the whole community that exists the traffic deal 2472 02:38:31,920 --> 02:38:37,560 Speaker 1: to this day and and and displaced people all over 2473 02:38:37,640 --> 02:38:42,519 Speaker 1: the to make that ship happen. The conditions that existed 2474 02:38:42,680 --> 02:38:45,480 Speaker 1: when hip hop started was the reason why I think 2475 02:38:45,600 --> 02:38:49,080 Speaker 1: people um come towards the Bronx as far as hip hop, 2476 02:38:49,160 --> 02:38:51,200 Speaker 1: because I know, I know a lot of people from 2477 02:38:51,320 --> 02:38:54,320 Speaker 1: Queens don't. And I'm talking about cats. I know people 2478 02:38:54,360 --> 02:38:57,160 Speaker 1: like to just go twins and the guys that used 2479 02:38:57,160 --> 02:38:59,840 Speaker 1: to play out and re speech back in the day, 2480 02:39:00,040 --> 02:39:02,000 Speaker 1: just like well Ship we was doing. We was playing 2481 02:39:02,080 --> 02:39:05,320 Speaker 1: music way before cool Hurt. Yes you were. I remember 2482 02:39:05,360 --> 02:39:07,760 Speaker 1: as a child my sister lived in Queens and she 2483 02:39:07,840 --> 02:39:10,200 Speaker 1: used to take me out there to see Plumber and 2484 02:39:10,320 --> 02:39:14,600 Speaker 1: my Boya and DJs like that. But nobody wasn't cutting 2485 02:39:14,680 --> 02:39:18,360 Speaker 1: up no records. If you're looking at anybody create out there, 2486 02:39:18,440 --> 02:39:20,440 Speaker 1: their main record when they play it was love is 2487 02:39:20,520 --> 02:39:25,800 Speaker 1: the message that was apache when they called on When 2488 02:39:25,840 --> 02:39:29,120 Speaker 1: when hip hop started playing it okay because this wasn't 2489 02:39:29,160 --> 02:39:33,080 Speaker 1: records they played on the radio. Hip Hop comes from 2490 02:39:33,160 --> 02:39:35,680 Speaker 1: those records that they don't play on the radio, and 2491 02:39:35,840 --> 02:39:38,199 Speaker 1: not even the whole record. You just played the beat 2492 02:39:38,840 --> 02:39:42,640 Speaker 1: of the record. That's where all the samples from hip 2493 02:39:42,680 --> 02:39:45,200 Speaker 1: hop come from. That's where the rhythm of the droll 2494 02:39:46,080 --> 02:39:49,680 Speaker 1: drums all that come from those original break beats, you 2495 02:39:49,720 --> 02:39:51,320 Speaker 1: know what I mean. And the thing that makes it 2496 02:39:51,480 --> 02:39:55,000 Speaker 1: hip hop is we're not playing the whole record throughout, 2497 02:39:55,400 --> 02:39:57,800 Speaker 1: like at least two three hours this party, all you 2498 02:39:58,000 --> 02:40:04,560 Speaker 1: hearing is sections of records. The beginning records, not even 2499 02:40:04,600 --> 02:40:08,879 Speaker 1: the beginning of creating a record, unto itself. The Break. 2500 02:40:09,000 --> 02:40:13,800 Speaker 1: The Break itself created new music today. Let people listen 2501 02:40:13,879 --> 02:40:16,440 Speaker 1: to today. Let me ask you this question. Right, the 2502 02:40:16,600 --> 02:40:20,920 Speaker 1: message right came out men like real street ship. But 2503 02:40:21,000 --> 02:40:30,400 Speaker 1: then the message get remaked puff daddy, Uh huh yeah 2504 02:40:31,440 --> 02:40:37,120 Speaker 1: that part yeah yourself boy, because it was check itself 2505 02:40:37,440 --> 02:40:40,520 Speaker 1: your record. So I mean by that you first of 2506 02:40:40,560 --> 02:40:42,960 Speaker 1: all falls ice cub concern. You're talking about the nigger 2507 02:40:43,000 --> 02:40:46,440 Speaker 1: who made jacking for beats a right, So he jack, 2508 02:40:47,200 --> 02:40:50,400 Speaker 1: He's gonna get what he wants. But I mean rightfully, 2509 02:40:50,480 --> 02:40:52,320 Speaker 1: so you know what I mean. His first album was 2510 02:40:52,360 --> 02:40:55,040 Speaker 1: done by the bomb Squad here in New York. He's 2511 02:40:55,040 --> 02:40:58,800 Speaker 1: a better question, public enemy. This is the question I've 2512 02:40:58,800 --> 02:41:02,960 Speaker 1: been wanting to ask all that I'm and made a 2513 02:41:03,040 --> 02:41:07,520 Speaker 1: record talking about he used to love I love that ship. Alright, 2514 02:41:07,600 --> 02:41:11,680 Speaker 1: So let's just just related to that. Right. Hip hop 2515 02:41:11,879 --> 02:41:16,560 Speaker 1: was a girl. How did you recognize that girl when 2516 02:41:16,640 --> 02:41:20,320 Speaker 1: she went to the West Coast? Well, well, did you 2517 02:41:20,480 --> 02:41:23,640 Speaker 1: even recognize her? Well, you see how pussy mothers saying 2518 02:41:24,440 --> 02:41:27,960 Speaker 1: Christmas she got she got fake titties when she went 2519 02:41:28,000 --> 02:41:32,400 Speaker 1: to the west on the West Coast, she got gangster 2520 02:41:34,480 --> 02:41:37,440 Speaker 1: and I related, I related, I related to that on 2521 02:41:37,640 --> 02:41:41,520 Speaker 1: on so many different levels because it was because somebody's 2522 02:41:41,600 --> 02:41:44,760 Speaker 1: actu her h was the first West Coast actu her 2523 02:41:45,360 --> 02:41:50,520 Speaker 1: first west It was like what there, Uh no, I 2524 02:41:50,640 --> 02:41:53,840 Speaker 1: can't say I iced tea over here? How many world 2525 02:41:53,879 --> 02:41:57,360 Speaker 1: class recordly No, it was like like Arabian Prince ye 2526 02:41:59,560 --> 02:42:03,240 Speaker 1: love from Egyptian Lover. Yeah, those guys that boom eventually 2527 02:42:04,200 --> 02:42:10,480 Speaker 1: boom boom boom and the beat go boomooll not no, no, no, 2528 02:42:11,120 --> 02:42:15,280 Speaker 1: don't don't put that ship on that they looked. It 2529 02:42:15,480 --> 02:42:18,640 Speaker 1: was like ready for the world. It was some funk 2530 02:42:18,720 --> 02:42:24,160 Speaker 1: the five ship over We not this in the West 2531 02:42:24,200 --> 02:42:29,280 Speaker 1: Coast either. Never that never that never that. That's my 2532 02:42:29,600 --> 02:42:32,720 Speaker 1: that's my second home. Okay, that's the only place other 2533 02:42:32,760 --> 02:42:36,760 Speaker 1: place I had a residence, Okay. And out there, I 2534 02:42:36,840 --> 02:42:39,000 Speaker 1: mean we got mad love. But I learned a lot. 2535 02:42:39,280 --> 02:42:42,000 Speaker 1: I learned a lot. And nice T was the first 2536 02:42:42,520 --> 02:42:45,320 Speaker 1: m C from the West Coast that I met and 2537 02:42:45,680 --> 02:42:51,200 Speaker 1: gravitated towards because they had the club call radio Radio Trial. Yeah, 2538 02:42:51,280 --> 02:42:57,600 Speaker 1: out there all this stick you don't play, and in 2539 02:42:57,800 --> 02:43:00,600 Speaker 1: here say let's take a research like you do. And 2540 02:43:00,879 --> 02:43:05,640 Speaker 1: he's a fucking elephant. He retains all that ship um. 2541 02:43:05,879 --> 02:43:08,000 Speaker 1: So yeah, the radio trig. So that's when I first 2542 02:43:08,080 --> 02:43:12,480 Speaker 1: met Ice and just took out the same camp. All right, 2543 02:43:12,600 --> 02:43:19,320 Speaker 1: that's damn, that's beautiful. Him on it. We gotta go 2544 02:43:19,760 --> 02:43:21,480 Speaker 1: come on yeah yeah, come on, sorry, give it some stuff. 2545 02:43:21,920 --> 02:43:26,280 Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, I can't stop these guys. These just 2546 02:43:26,360 --> 02:43:29,080 Speaker 1: keep talking. We don't give he was he was in 2547 02:43:29,120 --> 02:43:33,200 Speaker 1: a Megatron radio truck. So that's when I first met 2548 02:43:33,400 --> 02:43:37,400 Speaker 1: Iced Tea and six in the morning. Islam from from 2549 02:43:37,440 --> 02:43:42,960 Speaker 1: the Nation Sunva okay Um had relocated out there to 2550 02:43:43,040 --> 02:43:45,200 Speaker 1: the West coast to l A and he became Ice 2551 02:43:45,280 --> 02:43:50,560 Speaker 1: teas producer. So I met Ice when I did the 2552 02:43:50,680 --> 02:43:54,200 Speaker 1: radio tron out there and we connected and I I 2553 02:43:54,320 --> 02:43:57,560 Speaker 1: was talking to him. He was building, and I told 2554 02:43:57,640 --> 02:44:01,280 Speaker 1: him in the building, not my brother, how you doing 2555 02:44:04,080 --> 02:44:09,240 Speaker 1: you man? He missed it. You brought me the build peters. 2556 02:44:09,520 --> 02:44:11,720 Speaker 1: I was like, yea, get continued. You're talking about um, 2557 02:44:12,360 --> 02:44:15,920 Speaker 1: it's just the tip, come on, come on. So so 2558 02:44:16,080 --> 02:44:18,080 Speaker 1: so me and I was building, so he was like, yo, 2559 02:44:18,160 --> 02:44:20,480 Speaker 1: I want to do this hip hop ship man, but 2560 02:44:23,000 --> 02:44:24,840 Speaker 1: I need a group. Man, I want to get a group. 2561 02:44:24,920 --> 02:44:27,879 Speaker 1: I was like, yo, can you write rhymes? By yourself? 2562 02:44:28,120 --> 02:44:30,080 Speaker 1: Can you write your own rhymes? People like yeah, I said, 2563 02:44:30,120 --> 02:44:32,160 Speaker 1: and you don't need a group. I mean, I have 2564 02:44:32,280 --> 02:44:34,520 Speaker 1: to just stay by yourself. You go solo, do your 2565 02:44:34,560 --> 02:44:37,080 Speaker 1: own thing. I said, you had this whole West Coast 2566 02:44:37,080 --> 02:44:41,760 Speaker 1: s on a lot by yourself. Ask him to tell 2567 02:44:41,800 --> 02:44:43,360 Speaker 1: you to this day. That's why he called me one 2568 02:44:43,400 --> 02:44:45,240 Speaker 1: of his mentors. You know what I mean what the 2569 02:44:45,320 --> 02:44:46,680 Speaker 1: ill ship is. And I only think a lot of 2570 02:44:46,720 --> 02:44:48,640 Speaker 1: people know this is that I iced tea from New Jersey. 2571 02:44:51,080 --> 02:44:54,040 Speaker 1: I feel like she stopped. He was born born in 2572 02:44:54,080 --> 02:44:58,640 Speaker 1: New Jersey. That because but he was like in his 2573 02:44:58,680 --> 02:45:01,480 Speaker 1: twenties when he moved to the West coas post. That's 2574 02:45:01,480 --> 02:45:03,720 Speaker 1: a grown ass man. He's a grown ass man. He's 2575 02:45:03,720 --> 02:45:08,840 Speaker 1: a New Jersey kid. Originally, I'd just like to blow 2576 02:45:08,879 --> 02:45:13,920 Speaker 1: your mind a little bit. He's what he's about. I'm 2577 02:45:13,920 --> 02:45:20,120 Speaker 1: about from New Jersey, moved to the West Coast in 2578 02:45:20,160 --> 02:45:23,280 Speaker 1: the early eighties and then picked up hip hop from there. 2579 02:45:24,000 --> 02:45:27,640 Speaker 1: Yeah after that, that's like saying he's the first Tupac, 2580 02:45:27,920 --> 02:45:32,640 Speaker 1: because Tupac was actually really rarely New York from New 2581 02:45:32,760 --> 02:45:35,320 Speaker 1: York and then didn't want them all? Did he move 2582 02:45:36,000 --> 02:45:41,280 Speaker 1: to Oakland, Oakland and Dennis. She telling me Iced Tea 2583 02:45:41,360 --> 02:45:44,320 Speaker 1: is the same thing's my friend. I don't even want 2584 02:45:44,320 --> 02:45:47,560 Speaker 1: to hit him right now, they say, iced Tea move 2585 02:45:47,680 --> 02:45:50,400 Speaker 1: to West Coast in the early eighties from New Jersey 2586 02:45:50,480 --> 02:45:55,040 Speaker 1: and his Yeah, in his twenties, I mean finished the 2587 02:45:55,040 --> 02:45:59,600 Speaker 1: summer from Brick City there. Yeah, from New York, right 2588 02:45:59,680 --> 02:46:02,360 Speaker 1: from work somewhere around after fourteen. Wherever you grow up out, 2589 02:46:02,360 --> 02:46:06,000 Speaker 1: that's where you're fucking fun. Yeah, he didn't. When you reclaiming, 2590 02:46:06,000 --> 02:46:07,280 Speaker 1: I used to see right now, he when he went 2591 02:46:07,360 --> 02:46:09,800 Speaker 1: to the military, and then he moved to the West Coast. Ship. 2592 02:46:11,959 --> 02:46:14,560 Speaker 1: This is his trip, we reclaimed. That's why he could 2593 02:46:14,560 --> 02:46:21,920 Speaker 1: do to Jackson. Yes, yes, yes, yes, motherfucking um oh 2594 02:46:22,000 --> 02:46:27,760 Speaker 1: my man, Morgan Freeman and his business. But did you 2595 02:46:27,800 --> 02:46:29,879 Speaker 1: get one of the good blunts? Yeah, I got one 2596 02:46:29,879 --> 02:46:33,160 Speaker 1: of you. Let me take something. Let me let me 2597 02:46:33,200 --> 02:46:35,000 Speaker 1: just say. Is that the Fermian moment. Let just say something, 2598 02:46:35,520 --> 02:46:37,120 Speaker 1: give it right back to you real quickly. I don't 2599 02:46:37,160 --> 02:46:39,520 Speaker 1: out with Dave Chappelle on land On. One day I 2600 02:46:39,600 --> 02:46:43,040 Speaker 1: saw you and I fucking had the mid weed on me. 2601 02:46:43,320 --> 02:46:46,520 Speaker 1: I was so like, I landed my boy said, I 2602 02:46:46,600 --> 02:46:48,440 Speaker 1: got I got some weed. I was like, all right, 2603 02:46:48,480 --> 02:46:50,560 Speaker 1: cool funk guys went straight. St Me just brought my 2604 02:46:50,680 --> 02:46:53,000 Speaker 1: bags down. Went we went straight mister Me and the 2605 02:46:53,040 --> 02:46:56,240 Speaker 1: lead boom. I don't know I'm running the Dave Jappelle 2606 02:46:56,959 --> 02:46:59,320 Speaker 1: walks in. I'm like, oh ship, and he's like, oh shoot. 2607 02:46:59,320 --> 02:47:01,560 Speaker 1: I was like, you got passed the blood days passed, Blunt, 2608 02:47:01,600 --> 02:47:03,800 Speaker 1: the days bro. I'm looking. He walks away into Blow. 2609 02:47:03,840 --> 02:47:07,520 Speaker 1: I'm like, shit, if this motherfucker realizes I just handed 2610 02:47:07,560 --> 02:47:11,080 Speaker 1: him up men and blunt. Okay, it's been sucking with 2611 02:47:11,160 --> 02:47:15,640 Speaker 1: me for Lawrence figured out this. I figured out this 2612 02:47:15,720 --> 02:47:18,520 Speaker 1: thing is here. This whole weekend. I had my boy 2613 02:47:18,680 --> 02:47:23,400 Speaker 1: Larrence come over. We rove the ships into the bomb skinning. Hey, Dan, 2614 02:47:23,480 --> 02:47:26,520 Speaker 1: I made sure ay day the v I p room with. 2615 02:47:29,040 --> 02:47:34,280 Speaker 1: I don't let me let me big up to quality. 2616 02:47:34,360 --> 02:47:36,640 Speaker 1: The first day and all the other days, my brother 2617 02:47:36,760 --> 02:47:39,400 Speaker 1: j Rob we came through and make sure we got through. 2618 02:47:39,440 --> 02:47:42,200 Speaker 1: But let me tell you something. I smoked that room out. 2619 02:47:42,320 --> 02:47:44,600 Speaker 1: I mean sure, I know you know what. I came 2620 02:47:44,720 --> 02:47:46,440 Speaker 1: with the bat and I see now you I mean 2621 02:47:46,480 --> 02:47:48,279 Speaker 1: you got the I mean you got the call Blode. 2622 02:47:48,320 --> 02:47:52,600 Speaker 1: You can go anywhere you like to goddamnit you want. 2623 02:47:52,720 --> 02:47:54,280 Speaker 1: I feel like you're taking another shot. I just feel 2624 02:47:54,280 --> 02:47:59,640 Speaker 1: like it. Any boys got me, They're gonna get me. 2625 02:48:00,080 --> 02:48:03,000 Speaker 1: Did you just call him the Heney Boys? That god? 2626 02:48:03,240 --> 02:48:13,879 Speaker 1: Oh my god. Let people go if you drink. Yeah, yeah, 2627 02:48:13,879 --> 02:48:17,960 Speaker 1: my niggas, don't worry. I beat my man Porto Rico, 2628 02:48:18,680 --> 02:48:22,800 Speaker 1: Big Game, the Man k Beat, Why black Man and 2629 02:48:22,920 --> 02:48:31,160 Speaker 1: my man Big tone noise. You're taking a shot with us. Yeah, 2630 02:48:31,200 --> 02:48:35,520 Speaker 1: I'm taking the shot. Okay. You want what you want? Okay, yeah, yeah, 2631 02:48:35,720 --> 02:48:37,640 Speaker 1: put yourself a shot first though, hold on, hold on, 2632 02:48:37,680 --> 02:48:40,920 Speaker 1: ye don't gonna take the shot of this. You can't 2633 02:48:40,959 --> 02:48:45,440 Speaker 1: get ready, baby, I'm gonna try this now. Listen. I 2634 02:48:45,480 --> 02:48:47,640 Speaker 1: don't gonna be all right whatever, nigga, how many times 2635 02:48:47,640 --> 02:48:50,560 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be on drink? Come on anything you want 2636 02:48:50,560 --> 02:48:52,400 Speaker 1: to ask me any time you want? You, bro, come 2637 02:48:52,440 --> 02:48:55,000 Speaker 1: on here, get a shot. Got damn man boy, we 2638 02:48:55,200 --> 02:48:56,879 Speaker 1: got a chair right now, but come get the shots. 2639 02:48:56,920 --> 02:48:59,640 Speaker 1: You help me to let you. That's okay. We love you. 2640 02:49:00,000 --> 02:49:03,320 Speaker 1: Come on, come on, come on, came listen. I missed 2641 02:49:03,360 --> 02:49:05,360 Speaker 1: the more I miss you, Bro. I think about it 2642 02:49:05,480 --> 02:49:07,800 Speaker 1: all the time. I sa you was here. Okay, yeah, 2643 02:49:07,840 --> 02:49:10,840 Speaker 1: I can't do I thank you. Come through ready enough? Phil, 2644 02:49:11,520 --> 02:49:13,480 Speaker 1: you know. That's a great question. Say your team to 2645 02:49:13,560 --> 02:49:17,640 Speaker 1: come in to take the drink over a little heny boys, 2646 02:49:18,160 --> 02:49:22,880 Speaker 1: let's go boys, henymen heny min min not me the 2647 02:49:22,920 --> 02:49:30,360 Speaker 1: mom trying to amen, drink man. Where's that for? Pollo? Me? Okay, Amen, 2648 02:49:30,800 --> 02:49:35,080 Speaker 1: that's that's new name. Haney man, God damn it man, 2649 02:49:36,440 --> 02:49:41,040 Speaker 1: love love love love. Come on, come on, brothers, brottle 2650 02:49:41,200 --> 02:49:45,000 Speaker 1: little little great to me, everybody, a little fellers, alright 2651 02:49:45,160 --> 02:49:48,160 Speaker 1: with the mean bucket on. I'm watching you the mean 2652 02:49:48,200 --> 02:49:51,800 Speaker 1: by queen ship though, right did the bucket is us? 2653 02:49:52,320 --> 02:49:56,240 Speaker 1: Just be clear? So little man, I don't Master motherfucking 2654 02:49:56,320 --> 02:50:00,120 Speaker 1: cast you, thank you for doing what you do. You 2655 02:50:00,280 --> 02:50:03,720 Speaker 1: did and continue to do. Were always gonna salute, We're 2656 02:50:03,720 --> 02:50:06,800 Speaker 1: always gonna respect you, and we love you. Brother. Thank 2657 02:50:06,840 --> 02:50:14,280 Speaker 1: you right here. So I got one more question. We're 2658 02:50:14,280 --> 02:50:16,720 Speaker 1: gonna take a picture of the drop. Oh that should 2659 02:50:16,720 --> 02:50:21,880 Speaker 1: this smooth? It's not not smooth. I was a little hot, 2660 02:50:22,400 --> 02:50:24,800 Speaker 1: my man says. We're trying to get this Japanese whiskey 2661 02:50:24,879 --> 02:50:30,240 Speaker 1: for three years, drink spirits. That's got Japanese whiskey, baby, 2662 02:50:31,240 --> 02:50:40,680 Speaker 1: all right, I mean bank hank right the ship. So 2663 02:50:40,840 --> 02:50:45,039 Speaker 1: what's next, grand master cast So what's next for you man, 2664 02:50:45,360 --> 02:50:48,600 Speaker 1: Um what we're doing. I don't know what I did. 2665 02:50:49,080 --> 02:50:51,480 Speaker 1: And like I said, we were talking about earlier about reinvention. 2666 02:50:52,000 --> 02:50:54,800 Speaker 1: I mean, I started out as DJ Casting over Fly, 2667 02:50:55,800 --> 02:50:59,119 Speaker 1: d j MC casting over Fly to Grandmaster Casting over 2668 02:50:59,280 --> 02:51:03,039 Speaker 1: Fly to Grandmaster Cass. I shortened my name from Castanova 2669 02:51:03,080 --> 02:51:06,440 Speaker 1: Fly because Grandmaster Flash had a security crew called the 2670 02:51:06,560 --> 02:51:11,600 Speaker 1: Castanova's who were gangsters, and I didn't like me being 2671 02:51:11,680 --> 02:51:15,879 Speaker 1: Castanova Fly, like I was affiliated with them, so anything 2672 02:51:15,959 --> 02:51:18,760 Speaker 1: could have happened to me behind some ship they did, 2673 02:51:19,040 --> 02:51:22,400 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And they like not foul, 2674 02:51:22,520 --> 02:51:24,960 Speaker 1: but they were security. But there was the niggers in 2675 02:51:25,000 --> 02:51:27,280 Speaker 1: the streets, you know, black spades, you know what I mean? 2676 02:51:27,360 --> 02:51:29,280 Speaker 1: And all that I mean, I always want to know. 2677 02:51:29,440 --> 02:51:34,320 Speaker 1: So I just shortened my name the cast from casting 2678 02:51:34,360 --> 02:51:36,360 Speaker 1: over Fly. That's why my name is cast in the 2679 02:51:36,440 --> 02:51:41,040 Speaker 1: first place. Um, and then uh from different groups, I 2680 02:51:41,120 --> 02:51:43,720 Speaker 1: mean the crews and guys leaving and going to other 2681 02:51:43,800 --> 02:51:46,240 Speaker 1: places and me and having to start over. First I 2682 02:51:46,320 --> 02:51:49,080 Speaker 1: had the casting over Flying Disco whis and then my 2683 02:51:49,160 --> 02:51:51,360 Speaker 1: man Whiz got knocked and went to jail. Then I 2684 02:51:51,440 --> 02:51:54,920 Speaker 1: had the recruit of it. Yeah, yeah, Puerto Rican and 2685 02:51:55,040 --> 02:52:05,320 Speaker 1: Puerto Rican have Cuman. I told you. I'm I'm telling 2686 02:52:05,360 --> 02:52:12,240 Speaker 1: you I have so. I mean from the Mighty Force 2687 02:52:12,320 --> 02:52:15,280 Speaker 1: to the Force five to the Notorious two when it 2688 02:52:15,360 --> 02:52:17,960 Speaker 1: was just me and J D L. Until they recruited 2689 02:52:18,000 --> 02:52:20,400 Speaker 1: me to the Cold Crush, and you know, until after 2690 02:52:20,480 --> 02:52:23,160 Speaker 1: the Cold Crush, you know what I mean. I've had 2691 02:52:23,200 --> 02:52:27,440 Speaker 1: to keep going and do different things. Now this day, man, 2692 02:52:27,480 --> 02:52:32,440 Speaker 1: I'm doing everything from hip hop sight seeing tours. I've 2693 02:52:32,480 --> 02:52:38,000 Speaker 1: been doing that for eighteen years. About my Hush Hush 2694 02:52:38,080 --> 02:52:40,440 Speaker 1: hip hop site seeing tours. I take people from all 2695 02:52:40,480 --> 02:52:43,240 Speaker 1: around the world on the bus in Midtown Manhattan and 2696 02:52:43,440 --> 02:52:49,000 Speaker 1: I take him uptown to the wh about that I 2697 02:52:49,120 --> 02:52:52,080 Speaker 1: showed hi where hip hop happened, Like like, who do 2698 02:52:52,160 --> 02:53:01,680 Speaker 1: you want Mr Lead to do that? I'll take you 2699 02:53:01,760 --> 02:53:18,320 Speaker 1: to fift Yeah. I've been doing that for eighteen years. Okay. 2700 02:53:19,040 --> 02:53:23,960 Speaker 1: So I also host the UH. It was formerly the 2701 02:53:24,040 --> 02:53:26,880 Speaker 1: Tools of War summer Park jams up in Coltona Park, 2702 02:53:27,720 --> 02:53:31,200 Speaker 1: all in the parks around u UH New York. UM 2703 02:53:32,200 --> 02:53:34,920 Speaker 1: the Tools of War, which was Chris t Z and 2704 02:53:35,040 --> 02:53:40,280 Speaker 1: Popmaster Fable UH. They dropped out UM in two thousand 2705 02:53:40,320 --> 02:53:42,760 Speaker 1: and eighteen. I took over in two thousand and nineteen. 2706 02:53:43,000 --> 02:53:46,280 Speaker 1: So I've been doing that since then. We had a 2707 02:53:46,320 --> 02:53:48,920 Speaker 1: break with COVID and now we're back. So every year, 2708 02:53:49,400 --> 02:53:52,119 Speaker 1: I got like three to four, well three to five 2709 02:53:52,320 --> 02:53:57,039 Speaker 1: thousand people out in the park every every Thursday, Rocket July, 2710 02:53:57,440 --> 02:54:00,640 Speaker 1: Rocket exactly. And we got I mean, d scratch, I 2711 02:54:00,720 --> 02:54:02,760 Speaker 1: got cash money out there, I got I got real 2712 02:54:02,879 --> 02:54:06,200 Speaker 1: figures out there. But we need to go up. And 2713 02:54:06,280 --> 02:54:11,400 Speaker 1: that's help started we got. I'm trying. I'm trying to 2714 02:54:11,440 --> 02:54:13,040 Speaker 1: fill you in. I'm trying to let you know what's 2715 02:54:13,040 --> 02:54:15,920 Speaker 1: going on my organization, Windows of Hip Hop. I mean, 2716 02:54:16,000 --> 02:54:18,560 Speaker 1: we're making magic in the community. We are building the 2717 02:54:18,680 --> 02:54:22,680 Speaker 1: studio in in in the Bronx Elementary School see US 2718 02:54:22,720 --> 02:54:26,200 Speaker 1: fifty five. We adopted the school and they adopted US 2719 02:54:26,720 --> 02:54:29,880 Speaker 1: so H with the help of the borough president and 2720 02:54:30,040 --> 02:54:34,400 Speaker 1: our councilwoman Vanessa Gibson. You know, we donated funds to 2721 02:54:34,480 --> 02:54:37,840 Speaker 1: the school and we're playing active roles and you know, 2722 02:54:37,920 --> 02:54:42,120 Speaker 1: and the kids development. We got hip hop curriculums that 2723 02:54:42,240 --> 02:54:47,480 Speaker 1: we've written and put forward and implemented in these in 2724 02:54:47,560 --> 02:54:50,920 Speaker 1: these projects that we're implemented in the schools, and I'm 2725 02:54:51,160 --> 02:54:53,640 Speaker 1: I'm more excited about that than anything else that we're 2726 02:54:53,680 --> 02:54:59,200 Speaker 1: doing out there. Right now. Um I, uh, I've just 2727 02:54:59,320 --> 02:55:04,040 Speaker 1: been a uh appointed the official DJ for Coolmo d 2728 02:55:05,000 --> 02:55:06,720 Speaker 1: now because I've been on tour with him for the 2729 02:55:06,840 --> 02:55:09,240 Speaker 1: last few years. You know, we did a joint together 2730 02:55:09,320 --> 02:55:15,160 Speaker 1: called Notice and uh so I'm on the row with him. 2731 02:55:15,760 --> 02:55:18,360 Speaker 1: Um Me and Shan Rock was gonna start Rock the 2732 02:55:18,400 --> 02:55:22,240 Speaker 1: Bell's radio. We're gonna have a show, uh three hours 2733 02:55:22,840 --> 02:55:26,680 Speaker 1: Monday through Friday on Rock the Bell. So that's a 2734 02:55:26,760 --> 02:55:32,000 Speaker 1: platform that, uh, I think I was made for. I've 2735 02:55:32,000 --> 02:55:34,440 Speaker 1: been following you, you know what I mean. And I 2736 02:55:35,200 --> 02:55:36,920 Speaker 1: and even though and even though I've been doing this 2737 02:55:37,040 --> 02:55:39,320 Speaker 1: for a long time, I haven't been doing it in 2738 02:55:39,440 --> 02:55:44,520 Speaker 1: this format. And I understand that there's different dynamics to entertainment. 2739 02:55:45,120 --> 02:55:49,520 Speaker 1: And you gotta recognize that, you know this radio nigger, 2740 02:55:49,600 --> 02:55:53,560 Speaker 1: this ain't the stage, this ain't the studio. I mean, 2741 02:55:53,600 --> 02:55:56,240 Speaker 1: this is something else. So I definitely been checking you 2742 02:55:56,280 --> 02:55:58,880 Speaker 1: know you. I mean, how y'all do your things? How 2743 02:55:58,959 --> 02:56:02,199 Speaker 1: ship rocket ship like that? So appreciate you and hope, 2744 02:56:02,240 --> 02:56:04,480 Speaker 1: you know, hopefully I do half as well. Not listen, 2745 02:56:04,680 --> 02:56:06,840 Speaker 1: let me just tell you something, man, you got your back. 2746 02:56:06,920 --> 02:56:09,320 Speaker 1: This is your platform, this is your format. Anytime you 2747 02:56:09,360 --> 02:56:11,080 Speaker 1: want to come on here, and even if you want 2748 02:56:11,080 --> 02:56:13,720 Speaker 1: to pick your toes on here, it's okay. You don't 2749 02:56:14,240 --> 02:56:19,279 Speaker 1: want to FaceTime FaceTime you come, you come to Miami. 2750 02:56:19,400 --> 02:56:21,560 Speaker 1: Anytime you come to Miami, you want to be here 2751 02:56:22,200 --> 02:56:25,000 Speaker 1: just to talk about I don't give a fuck if 2752 02:56:25,000 --> 02:56:27,000 Speaker 1: you want to talk about the new gazelles you got. 2753 02:56:28,920 --> 02:56:33,160 Speaker 1: And this is what we all. This platform is yours. 2754 02:56:34,040 --> 02:56:36,440 Speaker 1: We made it for you, We made it for people 2755 02:56:36,800 --> 02:56:39,480 Speaker 1: of your stature. And if you ever want to talk 2756 02:56:39,560 --> 02:56:42,840 Speaker 1: to the media, don't go to the media. Gotta go 2757 02:56:43,000 --> 02:56:46,040 Speaker 1: to your homies. You go to your homies. Your homies 2758 02:56:46,080 --> 02:56:47,720 Speaker 1: got your back. It's gonna let you do what the 2759 02:56:47,840 --> 02:56:50,360 Speaker 1: funk you want to do. We love you, we respect you. 2760 02:56:50,640 --> 02:56:53,040 Speaker 1: You gotta take a couple of pictures, Let's take some drops, 2761 02:56:53,320 --> 02:56:55,600 Speaker 1: and you gotta wrap this to funk up. But listen, 2762 02:56:56,000 --> 02:57:00,200 Speaker 1: this was fucking pleasure. Oh we was amused, Mattics. You 2763 02:57:00,240 --> 02:57:03,879 Speaker 1: know we we we're real hip hop fans. I mean, 2764 02:57:03,959 --> 02:57:07,080 Speaker 1: I don't I know he was excited, but I couldn't 2765 02:57:07,120 --> 02:57:10,760 Speaker 1: tell because you know, I didn't see you until just now, 2766 02:57:10,959 --> 02:57:13,880 Speaker 1: until we got here, you know what I mean. And 2767 02:57:14,240 --> 02:57:16,879 Speaker 1: I don't want to blow you up, but I believe 2768 02:57:17,000 --> 02:57:19,440 Speaker 1: that I am in a position that I could do 2769 02:57:19,600 --> 02:57:26,200 Speaker 1: this no repercussions. Okay, we Russ hooked us up when 2770 02:57:26,280 --> 02:57:28,520 Speaker 1: once Rush did drake shop, Like, yo, I want to 2771 02:57:28,680 --> 02:57:31,080 Speaker 1: They've been they've been asking me. You know, you know, 2772 02:57:31,240 --> 02:57:34,280 Speaker 1: I been calling me, but I haven't got no feedback. 2773 02:57:34,320 --> 02:57:38,440 Speaker 1: And he was like, I said, ef I e F 2774 02:57:38,800 --> 02:57:44,920 Speaker 1: e FN. I'm sorry, alright, really nothing really, let's take 2775 02:57:44,920 --> 02:57:47,480 Speaker 1: it on this show. Hold on. First of all, First 2776 02:57:47,520 --> 02:57:52,800 Speaker 1: of all, I've been calling and then I've been seeing 2777 02:57:52,920 --> 02:57:58,560 Speaker 1: things that say, e FN. I tried to together. I 2778 02:57:58,600 --> 02:58:03,440 Speaker 1: gotta take Are you gonna do whiskey, let's go, let's 2779 02:58:03,440 --> 02:58:12,760 Speaker 1: do mama, let's go to drink an there's enough of you. 2780 02:58:12,800 --> 02:58:15,480 Speaker 1: One more hit me like you hit yourself. Mommm. I'm 2781 02:58:15,520 --> 02:58:17,880 Speaker 1: gonna light on it because that. Don't worry about it. Bro, 2782 02:58:17,959 --> 02:58:20,600 Speaker 1: the spirits aren't here. You need to shake that bottle up. 2783 02:58:20,640 --> 02:58:23,080 Speaker 1: It's got sentiment the bottle. That's what at the end, 2784 02:58:23,280 --> 02:58:26,520 Speaker 1: I get really into things. So listen, are you familiar? 2785 02:58:26,720 --> 02:58:28,920 Speaker 1: You want ice? No white? Now, I'm good. I'm good. 2786 02:58:29,120 --> 02:58:31,000 Speaker 1: If you're gonna go straight, I'm gonna straight. I'm gonna straight. 2787 02:58:31,000 --> 02:58:34,640 Speaker 1: I'm gonna straight. All right, bo bro, boom boom. All 2788 02:58:34,720 --> 02:58:36,920 Speaker 1: your pain be champagne. All right, let me get you 2789 02:58:36,920 --> 02:58:43,840 Speaker 1: some champagne. Got that, I got the pin. It's sweeter 2790 02:58:43,920 --> 02:58:45,920 Speaker 1: as it gets thicker. You all want to salute by 2791 02:58:45,959 --> 02:58:52,920 Speaker 1: any boys that came down and see boy, well gotta 2792 02:58:52,959 --> 02:58:58,920 Speaker 1: eat this shot. Not because they literally they literally sell 2793 02:58:59,000 --> 02:59:01,120 Speaker 1: us down. But come on, listen, even go, but let's 2794 02:59:01,160 --> 02:59:07,800 Speaker 1: take Thanks for joining us for another episode of Drink Champs, 2795 02:59:07,879 --> 02:59:10,240 Speaker 1: hosted by Yours truly, d J e f N and 2796 02:59:10,440 --> 02:59:12,480 Speaker 1: n O r E. Please make sure to follow us 2797 02:59:12,520 --> 02:59:15,120 Speaker 1: on all our socials. Let's add Drink Champs across all 2798 02:59:15,200 --> 02:59:19,760 Speaker 1: platforms at the Real Noriegan I g at Noriega on Twitter, 2799 02:59:20,240 --> 02:59:23,160 Speaker 1: mine is at Who's Crazy on I g at d 2800 02:59:23,320 --> 02:59:25,920 Speaker 1: J e f N on Twitter, and most importantly, stay 2801 02:59:25,959 --> 02:59:28,959 Speaker 1: up to date with the latest releases, news and merch 2802 02:59:29,160 --> 02:59:36,480 Speaker 1: by going to drink Champs dot com. 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