1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: And now move the dicks with Appalachian State quarterback Daniel Jeremiah. 2 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: I had Jeremiah in to it is and the North 3 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 1: Carolina wide receiver Bucky Brooks. He's gonna go on. It's 4 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: the Mountaineer and the tar Heel. Let's get it on. 5 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: Oh yes, I love that intro and Buck, you know 6 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 1: what fires me up so much about that intro is 7 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: the fact that I got to hear your your fight 8 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: song because I don't imagine we're gonna hear it on Saturday. 9 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 1: So it's nice to get today, I know, like, man 10 00:00:54,280 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: like that's that brought me back? Man, wait to take back? Hey, Buck? 11 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: Do you know list By the way, we're gonna we 12 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 1: have a lot to get to on the podcast day. 13 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about the big NFL game between the 14 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 1: Chiefs and the Ravens, So we got some NFL UH 15 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 1: news coming your way. We're gonna talk a little bit 16 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: about that Notre Dame Georgia game, but the bulk of 17 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: today is going to be talking about our first ever 18 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:17,680 Speaker 1: meeting here uh with the Bucky Brooks star Heels hosting 19 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 1: my app State Mountaineers. So we're gonna have interviews with 20 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:23,040 Speaker 1: Mac Brown Bucky's coach, and and and back at North 21 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 1: Carolina doing a wonderful job. And Eli Drinkwood's the head 22 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: coach at app State. Uh, they're gonna join the show. 23 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: We're gonna have a lot of fun on this episode. 24 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 1: But Buck, I didn't know if you saw this, but 25 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: the tickets, the tickets for the app State U n 26 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 1: C game, you know that it behind Notre Dame in Georgia. 27 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 1: It is the second most expensive college ticket this weekend. 28 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 1: This is a big deal, man, it is a big deal. 29 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: It's a big deal because obviously, as you know, um 30 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: in State game, Appletian State has been the most successful 31 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: team in the state of North Carolina in recent history. 32 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: And it's an opportunity for a lot of Appletian State 33 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 1: is to maybe play against the university they may they 34 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: may have seen, Uh it felt like dissed them, didn't 35 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: recruit them, didn't come after them, maybe didn't feel like 36 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:11,679 Speaker 1: they were good enough. And so look, man, it's the 37 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:13,920 Speaker 1: ultimate get back game when you have an opportunity to 38 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: kind of rub someone's nose in it. So this is 39 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:17,959 Speaker 1: gonna be a fired up game. It's gonna be a 40 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 1: exciting game. I'm really excited to watch it because, um, 41 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 1: Carolina has done some good things the story of the season. 42 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: I didn't expect them to be touring once in at 43 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 1: this point, but they're to in one the fact that 44 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: Appalachian State has been winning and successful, this should be 45 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:33,639 Speaker 1: a very very good matchup, very compelling watch. I'm trying 46 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:36,519 Speaker 1: to remember now because because I'm a I'm an Indiana 47 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: University basketball fan, I have been my whole life, and 48 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: obviously you've been a Carolina and I only went to Carolina, 49 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: played there, but you've been a Carolina basketball fan. I 50 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: think that Carolin didn't Carolina. They knocked you out of 51 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 1: the tournament a couple of years ago, if I'm if 52 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: couple years ago, yeah, yea, yeah maybe on the way 53 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: I think that was here you won the national championship. Yeah, 54 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: I think so so and and that was maybe the 55 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:04,799 Speaker 1: undercard here for the Jeremiah Brooks matchup. But I need 56 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: to know the etiquette with you on big games because 57 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 1: I can go either way. We can go we can 58 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: go radio silent, no text messages, no phone calls until 59 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: the game is over, or we can or we can 60 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: have a healthy back and forth. I'm fine with either way. 61 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 1: I just I want to make sure that we're doing 62 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:21,239 Speaker 1: this the right way. We can go back and for 63 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: I guess it depends on what time is the game. 64 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 1: I need to figure out what time the game is. 65 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: It's twelve thirty West Coast, Okay, twelve wars ago. So 66 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 1: I will be on radio from like one to five. 67 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: I'll be on fs Fox Sports Radio from you gotta 68 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: have to do You're gonna have to have a side 69 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: eye on the game. Oh no, don't do it. Trust me. 70 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 1: We'll have the TV up. We have the TV up. 71 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: I have my phone out so I'll be able to 72 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 1: watch it. So I think we can kind of text 73 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: during the game because you probably be able to hold up. 74 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: Why why am I not coming on the show? Hold up, 75 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: winn Loose. I'm on Always you call Always, so busy, 76 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: so that I'll talk to you guys and make sure 77 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: we get DJ on FSR. Okay, yeah, Fox Sports Radio. 78 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: Well we'll have that discussion. I'll away to be in 79 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: a really good mood or a really bad mood, but 80 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: that good. Uh, well, we're gonna have fun. I have 81 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: to tell you my my my radio partner is a 82 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: South Carolina fan, and so you know, like we get them. 83 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: Maybe it's maybe it's a lucky charm. It might be 84 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: a lucky charm to get you. You already beat him, 85 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: You already beat you, already, you already beat South Carolina. Uh, 86 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: and now it's app State UNC and then app State 87 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: gets a South Carolina later on the season. So this 88 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:35,479 Speaker 1: is like a really kind of a triangle battle here. 89 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: Uh what do you call that the triple threat match 90 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: or whatever they w W back day? Yeah, yeah, that's it, 91 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 1: something like that. It's so funny. All right, we're gonna 92 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 1: have fun with these interviews. You have a fun episode today. 93 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 1: But I do want to get to some NFL stuff 94 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: before we have Uh, these college coaches join us. A 95 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 1: couple of injury things here are interesting things, I should say, 96 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 1: David and Joeku. He broke his wrist in that game. 97 00:04:58,320 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: He's gonna be out for a while. From the brown 98 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 1: Ounds and the Cowboys decided they were good on Taco 99 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: Charlton decided to move on from their first round pick 100 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 1: from ten. Uh. Which one of those things is the 101 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: bigger news. I don't think it's Taco Charlton. He hadn't 102 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: been much a factor for that team, but David and Joku. 103 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: That's that's gonna have an impact on the Browns. So 104 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: you think that is gonna have an impact on the Browns. UM. 105 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 1: Interesting conversation that I had in thinking about the Browns 106 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 1: and what's going on with Baker Mayfield. UM had a 107 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: chance to talk to a couple of former Brown's coaches, 108 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: uh the last couple of days, and they were saying 109 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,039 Speaker 1: that when you noticed the Browns playing this year, they're 110 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: playing uh drastically different than they played a year ago. 111 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 1: At the end of the year, when Freddy Kitchens took 112 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: over his offensive coordinator, they were a little more run heavy, 113 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 1: twelve and thirteen personnel meaning one back, two tight ends 114 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: and one back, uh three tight ends. David and Joeku 115 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:46,840 Speaker 1: was a big part of what they did. If you 116 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: notice on Monday night when you saw him, they were 117 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: a lot of eleven personnel, one back, one tight end, 118 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:54,159 Speaker 1: three wide receivers spreading the field really trying to force 119 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 1: feed the ball to Odell Beckham Jr. Jarvis Entry and 120 00:05:57,720 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: so it said it kind of changed the way they 121 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 1: were able to create favorable matchups. The other thing that 122 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: they believe is a little different. Uh. The thing about 123 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield is when you make the change that they 124 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 1: made in the offseason. They elevated his offensive coordinate. Uh, 125 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:14,599 Speaker 1: the guy who was kind of like maybe I want 126 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: to say his best friend, but I'll say like his 127 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 1: closest friend on the coaching staff when it came to 128 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 1: having the conversation in the communication where they made him 129 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 1: the head coach in essence, when you do that, you 130 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 1: basically empowered Baker Mayfield, and you kind of make him 131 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: the franchise guy. He was already the franchise guy, but 132 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: you really have kind of given the keys to the 133 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 1: franchise to Baker Mayfield. And there's a little bit of 134 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 1: a concern that maybe in the building there's no one 135 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 1: there that can coach Baker Mayfield up hard. When you 136 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: look at him on tape, UM, I I see a 137 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 1: guy who's very similar to the way that he played 138 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: at Oklahoma his junior year, when he was a little 139 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: chaotic with his footwork, a little off the mark, and 140 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: maybe some of the passes and some of the turnovers 141 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: that are coming because he's not real detailed with his 142 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: footwork and fundamentals. And I don't know if there's a 143 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: coach there that can coach them hard and say, hey, Baker, 144 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 1: you need to get on the details. Make sure your 145 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 1: footwork and all that other stuff is correct so you 146 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: can throw the ball the way that we know that 147 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 1: you can throw it. Yeah, and I look, he's he's 148 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 1: under a lot of pressure, Buck. Uh. He's been sacked 149 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: eight times already through two games. He was sacked twenty 150 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: five times and fourteen games last year. So um becoming 151 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 1: more of a passing team, putting more on his plate. 152 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: And then an offensive line that that I thought played 153 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 1: a little bit over their head last year has come 154 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 1: back to reality. A couple of new faces on there, 155 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: and I think you're seeing that show up this team. Uh. 156 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 1: You know, look, Buck, when I look at when I 157 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 1: look at the schedule, and this was a little bit 158 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: of my concern with the Cleveland Browns, because I mean, 159 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 1: everybody wanted to say this was the you know, this 160 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: is a super Bowl representative from the a f C. 161 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 1: We're seeing Baker struggle. And I look ahead, Rams at Ravens, 162 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: at forty Niners, Seahawks at Patriots at Broncos, Bills, tell 163 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: me where the bad defense is and that group of teams, 164 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: I mean, goodness, gracious, look you're talking about a tough 165 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: slate of games on the horizon, So d J, let's 166 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 1: just use that scenario, right, So we're looking at those 167 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: tough games. You talked about, five tough games in a 168 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: row against really quality defense. Let's just say at the 169 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 1: end of it, the Browns are one in six. Does 170 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: that do anything? Are they firmly behind Freddie Kitchens? Do 171 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: they really feel good about the direction of the program. 172 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: Do they feel like they can kind of they have 173 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 1: the pieces in place to get them out of a 174 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: tail spen if it if the tail spen occurs, how 175 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 1: does that change Freddie Kitchens and his job situate his 176 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: job status based on the fact that he is an 177 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 1: inexperienced coach, he's the first time really you can say 178 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: he's the first time coordinator and head coach and he's 179 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 1: trying to do it all at the same time. How 180 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: does that change the dynamic around the team. When the 181 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 1: expectations were so high for the Browns going into this season, 182 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,439 Speaker 1: and I think this game, man, this is uh, this 183 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: is gonna be a turning point game for them. The Rams, 184 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: prime time at home, get a chance to play against 185 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 1: a for Bowl UH contending team in the Rams. If 186 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: if things go really well, they can ride that momentum 187 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: and and and try and you know, go on the 188 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 1: road with those games against the Ravens and the Niners 189 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: and see if they can maybe split those and they're 190 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 1: off and running. Now if they get their doors blown 191 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:15,959 Speaker 1: off by the Rams, now you're going on the road 192 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: for a couple of weeks. You've got a young team, 193 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: You've got a lot of egos on that team. I 194 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 1: think could go the other way quick. Uh So to me, 195 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: this game, it's week three, and it seems crazy to 196 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 1: say it, but I think this is a turning point 197 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: game for them against the Rams and this one. Mm hmm. 198 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: So this is what they call what do we calling 199 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: they're wrestling? Is this a winner go home a Dell 200 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: loser leaf town match? Losing? Yeah, this might be a 201 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 1: loser leaf leave town match, like because if they don't 202 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 1: get a win and you just I mean you just 203 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: quoted uh the schedule and what uh is on the horizon? Man, 204 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 1: this is really really tough for them. Man. I look, 205 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:55,319 Speaker 1: they have to get it right because they need to 206 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 1: be able to run the ball. They've got dynamic weapons 207 00:09:57,840 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 1: on the outside. Do you have you saw what Odell 208 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 1: Beckham you can do. We know what Jarvis Andrew can do. 209 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: They have to get the ball to Nick Chubb. I 210 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: think that is the missing piece of their offensive puzzle. 211 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:10,079 Speaker 1: For whatever reason, they've kind of gone away from running 212 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: the ball. I think the running game could be their 213 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 1: best friend as they go forward trying to get this 214 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: offense up and going. No doubt, I want to get 215 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 1: to the big game of the week in the NFL 216 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 1: slate before we get to get to that college matchup 217 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: and have some fun here. Um, when you look at 218 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:27,199 Speaker 1: the Ravens and the Chiefs, all eyes are gonna be 219 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:29,959 Speaker 1: on the quarterbacks and and Pat Mahomes and Lamar Jackson. 220 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 1: We know what we thought of those guys coming through 221 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 1: the draft process book, but now seeing both teams have success, 222 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 1: um doing it differently obviously with these two guys, But 223 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: I wonder if there is a takeaway, uh from from 224 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:44,320 Speaker 1: the evaluation of those two and what they've done that 225 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 1: if we carry it into the future, the impact of 226 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 1: their performance might have in the future as we go 227 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: through the drafts to come. Oh, I mean it definitely 228 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 1: is at impact. I think we've already seen the impact 229 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 1: that has had. I think we need to look no 230 00:10:56,760 --> 00:11:00,199 Speaker 1: farther than what happened with Cala Murray. Cala Murray is 231 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 1: a byproduct of the success that Pat Mahomes had in 232 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 1: his second season as the m v P of the league. 233 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 1: Um when you look at the baseball background, the ability 234 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: to play uh as improvisational specialists, the talent when it 235 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 1: comes to the arm talent, while mixing some of the 236 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: run ability that you would like to see. I think 237 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 1: it has already impact of the way evaluators look at 238 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: the quarterback position. Even farther, when you look at Pat 239 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: Mahomes and now even Lamar Jackson, I think it kind 240 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 1: of opens up an avenue for those quarterbacks that we 241 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: quickly dismissed said there there was no chance for those 242 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 1: guys being frontline starters. I think Lamar Jackson opens up 243 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:40,959 Speaker 1: a lane for those guys to potentially have success. Remember 244 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: all of the conversation around Lamar Jackson entering the draft. 245 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 1: He's a runner, he's not a thrower. You had suggestions 246 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: and maybe being a wide receiver or running back, will 247 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 1: he ever be able to throw well enough to to 248 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 1: succeed well? Last season we saw him run well enough 249 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:58,079 Speaker 1: to lead to Baltimore Ravens into the playoffs. Um did 250 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 1: a great job stepping in as the starter. This team 251 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:03,080 Speaker 1: led the league in Russian once he stepped stepped in. Well. 252 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:06,959 Speaker 1: This season, we're seeing the full Lamar Jackson experience. We've 253 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:08,439 Speaker 1: seen him run it, we've seen him through it, we 254 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 1: see him make big plays down the field, and we've 255 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 1: seen the explosiveness out of this offense. You know, it's 256 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 1: a copycat league. And the more that Lamar Jackson plays 257 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:20,599 Speaker 1: at this level, with Pat Mahomes also playing at the 258 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 1: level that he's playing at, the more it opens up 259 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 1: for a lot of these college quarterbacks that we used 260 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:27,199 Speaker 1: to say, I don't know if there's a way for 261 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: him to make it into the league. It never really 262 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:31,959 Speaker 1: opens up the door for you valuate. Just to look 263 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: at those guys and welcome them into the team and 264 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 1: to build plans around them as they go forward in 265 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: terms of looking at them as franchise quarterbacks. I think 266 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 1: it's fascinating to me when you look at the team 267 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: building aspect of it, buck in that the great personnel 268 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 1: departments they do two things. Number One, they look around 269 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 1: and see what they have, you know, at when they're 270 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 1: getting ready to bring in a quarterback. You look and 271 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:56,559 Speaker 1: see what you have. Okay, now we go out and 272 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: get a quarterback. And then once you get that quarterback 273 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 1: around what you have and you use this all the time, 274 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: like once we get a chance to see where you 275 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 1: know where the needs and where the holes are. Now 276 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 1: it's in coming on you to go get that done. 277 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 1: Go on the shopping list, and go get it. And 278 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 1: I thought last year with Baltimore, the thing that was 279 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 1: missing was speed receiver to to be able to pay 280 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:17,199 Speaker 1: off all these runs. They go out and get Hollywood 281 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: Brown and you've seen this offense just really explode um 282 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: in the passing attack. And I think I look at 283 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 1: Pat mahomes and it's knowing what you have in Andy 284 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 1: Reid as a play designer and as a quarterback developer, 285 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 1: and knowing, okay, with Andy, now we can go out 286 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:36,199 Speaker 1: and get Pat mahomes Um who maybe has a little 287 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 1: distance to travel in terms of his development. We're gonna 288 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 1: red shirt him for a full year and Andy's gonna 289 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 1: coach him up and then the payoff is gonna be huge. 290 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 1: But you know what you have in terms of coaches 291 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 1: and personnel, and that is the fit to bring in 292 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 1: a player. Then even once you get him in there, 293 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:52,479 Speaker 1: you saw even the Chiefs with what they have offensively 294 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 1: even went out and got more speed with me Cole Hartman. 295 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 1: UH to to get more guys like this guy's got 296 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: a unique arm. Let's get guys that can really really 297 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 1: stretched the football field. And they continue to add pieces there. 298 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 1: But it's it all goes back to fit and team 299 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 1: building and making the whole thing come together and work. Absolutely, 300 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: it is about UM we talked about in the evaluation process, 301 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 1: the team building process, UH building it around your quarterback. 302 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 1: And so Kansas City was already established, Like Kansas City 303 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: could have rolled with Alex Smith, they wouldn't have looked 304 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: the same the way that just look now we saw 305 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: Alex Smith play at a Pro Bowl level with the 306 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: same supporting gas. When now you dropped Pat Mahomes in 307 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 1: with a noted UH quarterback developer in Andy Reid. You 308 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: allow a terrific dynamic player to be surrounded by explosive 309 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: weapons and speed all over. And we saw this offense 310 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 1: go from really good to great in a hurry in Baltimore. 311 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 1: I think it's even more interesting what they've done they 312 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 1: I mean, they were constructed to build a team around 313 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: Joe Flacco, they get Lamar Jackson. They added some tight ends, 314 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: but I don't know if those tight ends were necessarily 315 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 1: for Joe Flacco or for Lamar Jackson. Lamar Jackson jumps in. 316 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 1: They go all in on this option attack, and then 317 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: they spend this offseason looking at Lamar Jackson and really 318 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: looking at college offenses and trying to figure out what 319 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: is the best way they can modernize a college offense 320 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: to make it acceptable to the pro game. And they've 321 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 1: done that. Then they added the playmates. You talked about 322 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 1: the speed that they've added. It's not only Hollywood Brown, 323 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: but it's a running back in Justice Hill, it's another 324 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 1: power back and mark Ingram. They upgraded their playmakers around him, 325 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 1: which is elevated to play a Lamar Jackson, no doubt. 326 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 1: And uh and before we move on, I do want 327 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: to point this out real quick because, um, look, the 328 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 1: NFL has a long way to go in terms of 329 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: making sure we have more African American general manager candidates 330 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: that we make sure we have more African American head 331 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: coaching candidates. But Buck, I was looking this up, but 332 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 1: I thought this was pretty cool because I can't I 333 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 1: know it's only tweeks into the season. But I can't 334 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: imagine we've ever had this um this set up right now. 335 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 1: I was looking at let's look at quarterback rating right now. 336 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: Number one is lamar Jack, Number two is Dak Prescott, 337 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 1: Number three is Pat Mahomes. Number four is Russell Wilson. 338 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 1: That's pretty cool, man. I mean you are seeing you 339 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: are seeing the African American quarterback. This is this is uh, 340 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 1: this is really exploding right now. These guys are playing 341 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 1: at an elite level and uh, you know, like I said, 342 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 1: Leak has the other areas we need to need to improve, 343 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 1: but this is that's a good sign man. You know, 344 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: DJ like it's funny. So if you want to see 345 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 1: the head coaching ranks improving a little hats off to 346 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 1: you for pointing it out. I wasn't even aware of 347 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: those four guys being, uh top four and pass the rating. 348 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: But if you really want to improve the coaching ranks, 349 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: if you really look at the guys who was sinning 350 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 1: becoming coaches in the National Football League, and it really 351 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 1: at every level, typically their quarterbacks. Where the way that 352 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: you improve the ranks you gotta populate the position with 353 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: former players. Were now that you're having more African Americans 354 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: and the QB one role, you would begin to see 355 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 1: a slow infiltration of the pipeline of coaches because as 356 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 1: those guys leave the field in getting to coaching, it 357 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:05,879 Speaker 1: then gives them more opportunities to kind of uh climb 358 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 1: the ranks. It may be a slow climb, but the 359 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 1: way African Americans are playing the quarterback position gives them 360 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: hope that eventually you'll see some of these guys transitioned 361 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: into being head coaches down the line, no doubt anyway. 362 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 1: And this is like Lamar Jackson. You look at Lamar Jackson, 363 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:25,400 Speaker 1: Dak Prescott, Pat Mahomes, Russell Wilson. They ain't going anywhere. Uh. 364 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 1: These guys are still young, plenty of good football ahead 365 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 1: of them. And as we see this older generation of 366 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: quarterbacks kind of you know, we've seen them get heard 367 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: and benched and they're gonna retire, um more opportunities. And 368 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 1: I'm not even talking about uh Jacoby Brissette, who's playing 369 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:42,399 Speaker 1: good football. Deshaun Watson is playing good football. Um, pretty 370 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 1: cool man. It's exciting time. Kyler Murray's off to a 371 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:47,400 Speaker 1: good start. Um, So I'd be curious to know maybe 372 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 1: we look that up and we'll talk about it next week. 373 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 1: But if this is if is this the most Is 374 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 1: this the biggest number of African Americans we've had starting 375 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 1: at one time? I wonder, I mean, I think so, 376 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 1: like because look, Kim Newton is still, uh there, Jamis 377 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 1: Winston is there. Um uh look Marcus Mariota isn't black, 378 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 1: but he's a minority. I don't know if we've had 379 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: this many at one time. It's a Bucky Brooks notebook. 380 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 1: This is the Bucky Brooks book, right me, right, you 381 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 1: can't see me right now. I'm writing all this down 382 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 1: because I was. I was unaware of it, you know 383 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, And it was one of those things 384 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:26,439 Speaker 1: that kind of organ to be popped up in the conversation. 385 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:29,120 Speaker 1: But yeah, like DJ, just off the top of my head, 386 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 1: I'm looking at one, two, three, five, we're talking about 387 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: nine quarterbacks, um that you're mentioning, And I don't know 388 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:37,360 Speaker 1: if there's ever been a time in the league, Titty Bridgewater, 389 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 1: we'll get a start this this week, so that give 390 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 1: you ten, ten starting quarterbacks. So you're talking about a 391 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 1: third of the league. It has never been a situation 392 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: where one third of the league has been um African 393 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 1: American or a minority at the position. That is definitely 394 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 1: a wave of change. And I think it's a wave 395 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:57,640 Speaker 1: of change that started at the lower levels and it's 396 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:01,160 Speaker 1: begun to kind of triculate up, uh to the highest 397 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: level of football, no doubt. Um, well, let's let's switch 398 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:07,880 Speaker 1: gears here. We're gonna get to our coaches. Mac Brown 399 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:10,119 Speaker 1: from North Carolina, Eli drink Wents from app State. But 400 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 1: before we do that, that obviously the big game of 401 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 1: the weekend. It is Georgia and Notre Dame and uh, 402 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 1: just quick thoughts from you what you're expecting in this game. 403 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 1: And I want to talk about the quarterbacks. Jake from 404 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 1: Ian book a huge opportunity for them, and Jake from 405 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: hasn't really got a chance to throw the ball very 406 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:26,679 Speaker 1: much so far this season as they've been blowing the 407 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 1: doors off people. He's gonna get a chance to do 408 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: that this week. Yeah, now, this is this is a 409 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,439 Speaker 1: tremendous opportunity. I think as an evaluate, do you always 410 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 1: love marquee games? Um, if I have an opportunity to 411 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 1: look at guys, I want to see guys play against 412 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:41,160 Speaker 1: players that we know will be in the National Football League. 413 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:43,199 Speaker 1: And so when I look at Notre Dame and Georgia, 414 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: I see a ton of NFL guys that will kind 415 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 1: of eventually have their opportunity to make it in the league. 416 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: Georgia is loaded, Georgie is loaded everywhere with NFL prospects. 417 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 1: But their quarterback is one that is really intriguing. And 418 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 1: the reason why he's intriguing is he may not be 419 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:00,159 Speaker 1: in a level talent in terms of when you look 420 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,359 Speaker 1: at his physical trades, you look at his arm talent, 421 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: his arm strength, uh, the way that the athletics has 422 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: been the movement skills, but man, I think it would 423 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:10,120 Speaker 1: be you'd be hard pressed to find a guy who 424 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 1: has his leadership skills, a guy who has his competitiveness, 425 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:17,640 Speaker 1: because remember this guy has fended off how many five 426 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:20,919 Speaker 1: star quarterbacks during his time at Georgia. Jacob Peason, he 427 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 1: justin fields he sent packing. I'm sure there was another 428 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 1: five star quarterback that was on the team that he 429 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:30,680 Speaker 1: also wrestled the job away from. And so when you 430 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 1: when we look at the quarterback position, and we've heard 431 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:36,360 Speaker 1: it day, how many times have we talked to coaches 432 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:38,399 Speaker 1: in recent weeks about what do you look for in 433 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 1: the quarterback position. The first thing they asked that they 434 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 1: respond leadership, toughness, competitiveness. He has all of those things. 435 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:48,719 Speaker 1: If he is able to kind of put together a 436 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 1: string of performances. I don't know if he will be 437 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:53,920 Speaker 1: a first round talent, but I certainly can see where 438 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 1: a team, a good team that already has pieces in place, 439 00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:59,360 Speaker 1: could say, Hey, this is the perfect guy that has 440 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 1: the management skills to allow us to play at a 441 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,959 Speaker 1: high level. Jake from is a very interesting prospect. He 442 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 1: needs to do it in big games to continue that 443 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 1: narrative being positive for him in this kind of community. 444 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 1: But man, the leadership, to toughness, uh, the wins, and 445 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: the competitiveness certainly gives him a chance to be a 446 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 1: top prospect that we will talk about. Yeah, playing behind 447 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 1: the best offensive line in college football. A couple of 448 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: tackles I watched last week are really really good. And 449 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: then you really get the best running back in college 450 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:28,400 Speaker 1: football as well. So they've got some dudes there at Georgia. 451 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,120 Speaker 1: On the other side, Ian Book has played well, uh 452 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 1: this year. Uh, you know, he's somebody that uh you know, 453 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,119 Speaker 1: doesn't get mentioned because he's not the biggest guy in 454 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 1: the world. I've compared him size wise. He reminds me 455 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 1: a little bit of Trace McSorley. Um, but he's you 456 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: talk about smart, tough, and kind of a gamer. He 457 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,679 Speaker 1: fits into that, into the into that mold. And I know, 458 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: I know Georgie is a heavy favorite in this game. 459 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 1: A lot of people expect them to just blow the 460 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 1: doors off Notre Dame. Ian Book's got a chance to 461 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:54,439 Speaker 1: keep this thing close. And I think that that that 462 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 1: Notre Dame defensive line several NFL prospects in that group 463 00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,640 Speaker 1: as well. Uh so be up to them to kind 464 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: of troll this Georgia ground game. But keeping on those 465 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,639 Speaker 1: two quarterbacks, one of them will emerge and create some 466 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: momentum for their draft status coming out of this game. 467 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 1: I do believe that, oh absolutely this this is a 468 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 1: big time game. Now I can't go you. You mentioned 469 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 1: the running back DeAndre Swift. All odds are on him. 470 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: We've seen some of the running backs, the running backs 471 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 1: that have been taken in the first round the last 472 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:22,880 Speaker 1: few years have come in and being immediate impact players. 473 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 1: I believe you have to rank Deandre's who have just 474 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 1: on flash scouting. He has to be in that conversation 475 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 1: with the Christian McCaffrey's and those guys in terms of 476 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 1: how they look when they were coming out of school. 477 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 1: It will be interesting when we begin to literally dig 478 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:39,159 Speaker 1: down and evaluate the running back position. How many guys 479 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 1: can carry first round grades? Uh, preliminarily, I know he 480 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,200 Speaker 1: looks like a first round pick without even really study him. Really, 481 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 1: he's not tough. That one's not tough to do, all right, Buck, 482 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 1: Let's get to the matchup that we care about. We've 483 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 1: got app State traveling to take on North Carolina. Uh 484 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 1: my school, verse is your school. It's gonna be a 485 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,679 Speaker 1: fun game, man, And uh, we are so we are 486 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 1: so pumped that we've got a chance to talk to 487 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,639 Speaker 1: both of the head coaches ahead of this matchup. And 488 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,359 Speaker 1: first up is your former head coach and once again 489 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,120 Speaker 1: the current head coach at North Carolina, Mac Brown. Here's 490 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 1: our conversation, DJ. It is always a pleasure when I 491 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 1: get to talk to my old coach, my old college coach, 492 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:26,119 Speaker 1: mc brown, hall of Fame coach, national championship coach, a 493 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 1: guy who is now back at my program Carolina bringing 494 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 1: it back, Coach Brown, how are you doing? I'm dooting 495 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 1: great Bucky, how are you guys, man, coach? We were great, 496 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 1: Uh great, Yeah, we're great. It's it's it's a tremendous 497 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 1: opportunity to talk to you, especially at this time of 498 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:44,159 Speaker 1: year because we're in the process of discussing team building 499 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,879 Speaker 1: philosophies and how you build a winning program. And just 500 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 1: based on your experience, what does the championship program look like? Bucky? 501 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:56,400 Speaker 1: I think it starts with communication and it it sounds 502 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 1: for real. But if you can't learn to talk the 503 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,120 Speaker 1: each other, then you don't know who each other are, 504 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 1: and you don't know about your backgrounds and um, and 505 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 1: then you can't build up trust and respect and without 506 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: trust and respects, you got nothing. And and then you 507 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 1: gotta have a common purpose. In the end, our common purposes, 508 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:16,880 Speaker 1: we want to have fun, because not enough people are 509 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: right now in our society. We want to win all 510 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 1: the games. Obviously we want to graduate the guys, but 511 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,120 Speaker 1: we also want them to better prepare themselves for life 512 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,640 Speaker 1: after football. So when they know that everything we do 513 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:32,200 Speaker 1: is for one of those three purposes, for purposes, that's 514 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 1: who we are. But we also had everybody sit down 515 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 1: and tell their story and so many times now with 516 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 1: new coaches coming in, they're bashing the previous coach, and 517 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 1: we don't have any players, and and they're all covering 518 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,879 Speaker 1: their rear ends and and we thought it's more important 519 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 1: to worry about these seniors because they haven't had a 520 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,919 Speaker 1: good experience the last couple of years. Tell these seniors 521 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,400 Speaker 1: we're gonna win now, but let's get to know each other. 522 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 1: So we actually sat and all told our life story 523 00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 1: and and we'd say, Bucky, where you from, tell me 524 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 1: about your parents, tell me about your siblings, Who do 525 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,880 Speaker 1: you respect most in this room on this team, and why, 526 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 1: and what's the biggest hardship you've ever had in your life? 527 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,959 Speaker 1: And and it was really interesting how honest everybody was. 528 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 1: And I think that really helped us get off to 529 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 1: a good start. Coach that that time he took away 530 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:18,679 Speaker 1: from the game and going to doing the television and 531 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 1: getting a chance to to really study college football across 532 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 1: the country. Um, was there anything during that time period 533 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 1: that do you kind of kept maybe a journal or 534 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:28,680 Speaker 1: some notes to the side and said, man, if I 535 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 1: come back, I'm gonna make this change or that change. 536 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 1: And how beneficial was that period for you? DJ? It 537 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 1: was really beneficial. And Bucket can tell you. I'm a NoteTaker. 538 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,160 Speaker 1: So that's I sit and I listened, and I try 539 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,119 Speaker 1: to write little things down that make a difference in 540 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 1: my life. And I didn't know if I'd go back 541 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 1: and coach or not, but I'm passionate about the game 542 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 1: and coaching and playing and players and and it was 543 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 1: one of the harder things for me at ESPN because 544 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 1: I love the game and the coaches and the kids 545 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,439 Speaker 1: so much that ESPN would get upset that I wouldn't 546 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 1: bash somebody, and I said, he's killing himself. A man's 547 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 1: working himself to death. Is not working, but he's killed himself. 548 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 1: So it's hard to win. Uh So, I think I 549 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 1: learned a number of things. Number one, I learned a 550 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,879 Speaker 1: lot more about the media, and that you guys have 551 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 1: a very difficult job, and you're not trying to bash 552 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 1: coaches and you're not trying to get on the inside 553 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 1: and make something up that's not factual. You've got hard jobs. 554 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 1: It's hard to every day to find something that nobody 555 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 1: else knows it's of interest to them. Uh So, and 556 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 1: you gotta be honest with what you do. So that 557 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 1: really helped me from that perspective. Uh. Secondly, I saw 558 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,119 Speaker 1: that most coaches aren't are miserable. They're not be happy. 559 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,880 Speaker 1: They're they're fighting everybody, They're fighting everything. They're all word 560 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 1: about getting fired, they're all worried about losing, and and 561 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:46,919 Speaker 1: they're not enjoying the journey and the game and the 562 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 1: kids and and it wasn't as much fun for me 563 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 1: Friday night. But uh we at least still I know 564 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 1: where we are and what we're doing. And my purpose 565 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 1: to come back is to mentor kids and and enjoy 566 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 1: the ride and and into some young coaches more than 567 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,679 Speaker 1: just being miserable, like I got a Texas when you 568 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 1: have to win all the games, and if you don't, 569 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,120 Speaker 1: you know, your identity gets hurt and you're not who 570 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 1: you're supposed to be. You know, coaches, it's funny that 571 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,639 Speaker 1: you you talk about that, because I've heard you on 572 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 1: other interviews talk about having fun and how important it 573 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 1: is to have fun and to make sure that you 574 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,919 Speaker 1: enjoy the process. One of the things that I've always 575 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 1: learned from you is it's about the players. You've always 576 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 1: been a player lead coach. You want to players to 577 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,880 Speaker 1: kind of run the program. When you think about players 578 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 1: and players that you want to play for you. What 579 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,879 Speaker 1: are the court RAITs of those guys, Bucky, It's a 580 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,199 Speaker 1: it's a great question. I want good people that have 581 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 1: good hearts, Uh, that have passion and pride in their 582 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 1: lives and the pride that they're They're not ever gonna 583 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 1: let you down. Our guys were They've played so hard 584 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 1: for the first two weeks and probably beat teams that 585 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 1: are more talented than we are and shocked everybody and 586 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,679 Speaker 1: shocked us a little bit. Uh. White Forest was a 587 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 1: team that played harder than we did in the first 588 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 1: quarter in first half. And I walked in Sunday and 589 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 1: I asked the guys, just like at halftime, I said, 590 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 1: we are who we are, So if we're not gonna 591 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 1: play with passion, we're gonna get beat. And if that's 592 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 1: who you are, that's okay, but it's it's not who 593 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,119 Speaker 1: I thought we were. And then they fight their guts 594 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 1: out and come back to one second left in the 595 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 1: game and have a chance to win. And I was 596 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,359 Speaker 1: very proud of them for that. So on Sunday we 597 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 1: walk in and I say, Bucky, why why did we lose? 598 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 1: Tell me why we lost? And to a man, all 599 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 1: the senior said, we weren't as passionate in the first 600 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 1: half as as we were in the first two games. 601 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 1: And I said, so why is that? I said, I 602 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 1: don't know, Coach. We just we felt it during the week. 603 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 1: You told us during the week, but it didn't happen. 604 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 1: We just we couldn't. We couldn't get through it. And 605 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 1: I said, well, we've got to because you Appalachian is 606 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 1: gonna play with a lot of energy on Saturday. You've 607 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 1: got to every week. And it's hard to do. And 608 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 1: one of the hardest things for me, you guys, is 609 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 1: to figure out why it's so hard to play? Are 610 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 1: hard every week? And that's the other thing I learned 611 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 1: DJ what for five years I watched teams not play hard. 612 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 1: They were flatter, they'd play really high, and they stink 613 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 1: and and why can't we just go play? And and uh, 614 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 1: that's a hard one for kids this age. But it's uh, 615 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 1: it's something that is frustrating. So to answer your question, 616 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 1: but I want guys that care. And I told them 617 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 1: they're gonna get everything I've got every day within the rules. 618 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,719 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give them everything I can give them, and 619 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 1: I want it back. I want them to give me 620 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 1: everything they've got every day, and I want to be honest, 621 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 1: and I want them to be hard working, and I 622 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 1: want them to be tough, and all of those things 623 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 1: will help them have a better life later. Coach, you 624 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 1: got a really good young quarterback there for the tar Heels. 625 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 1: And when you look at the great teams, the National 626 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 1: Championship team sticks out to me that you were on 627 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 1: obviously at a very special quarterback there. Uh and Vince Young. 628 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 1: The way the game is played right now in college football, 629 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 1: what are the three or four core requirements you have 630 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 1: to have at that position to excel number one? And 631 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 1: we had Colton McCoy to DJ, so we had to 632 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 1: run there about we we we ended up looking smart 633 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 1: because of those two guys. Um, I think the number 634 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 1: the number one thing is you've got to be able 635 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 1: to lead other people. You've got to be able to 636 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 1: do that because when you're on the field and you're down, 637 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 1: you don't know who your quarterback is or you don't 638 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 1: know who your team isn't until you have a close game, 639 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 1: they come from behind and win, So that that's that's 640 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 1: key for me. The second thing is I feel like 641 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 1: you've got to be able to move your feet because 642 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 1: there's usually better athletes on defense than there are rushing 643 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 1: the password than there are blocking for them. Um, so 644 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 1: you're gonna have to move around some or you're gonna 645 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 1: get knocked down a lot. And then the third thing 646 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 1: for me is is, uh, you gotta know what to do. Mentally, 647 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 1: You've got to you've gotta be a workaholic. You've gotta 648 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 1: be able here every day and and be obsessed with 649 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 1: the game. And last would be accuracy. I remember when 650 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 1: when Colt McCoy was playing for US, we'd be at practice, 651 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 1: ball never hit the ground, it would never be on 652 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 1: the ground. And and then I go with lesser quarterbacks, 653 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 1: I'm saying, balls against air, Bucky, and we're not throwing 654 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 1: it to the right place, and say, then us against 655 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 1: there if we can't meet are and we can't be 656 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 1: deep into that. So but right now, Sam, Sam's a 657 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 1: guy that the balls on the ground very seldom. You know, 658 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: you know, coaching and watching Sam and watching the team, Um, 659 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,960 Speaker 1: it is amazing to watch the team from one year 660 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 1: to the next. Uh. We talked about what a championship 661 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 1: program looks like. But when you step in and you 662 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 1: hand a program where they've been down, they've been beat 663 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 1: down a little bit, they haven't won. How do you 664 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,080 Speaker 1: teach a team how to win? It's also an interesting 665 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 1: question about the third week we were here. One of 666 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 1: the seniors raised his hand. I've been giving him pep talks, 667 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 1: do this and do that, and he said, yeah, but 668 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 1: how do you win? Tell me how you win? I thought, 669 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 1: I've never been asked that before by a player. So 670 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 1: what what you do is you you have a plan, 671 00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 1: you have a process, you go through, and you don't 672 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,720 Speaker 1: talk a lot about winning. You talk about doing the 673 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 1: things right that are important. And we say little things, 674 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 1: really and truly, all those little things are big things. 675 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 1: And and it's Admiral mccraven is a great friend of mine. 676 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 1: He was head of the Navy Seals and he was 677 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 1: the one that captured Ben Ladden and and and he 678 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 1: wrote a book Make your Bed, and it simply means 679 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 1: do things right, start your morning right. And and and 680 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 1: what we started doing, Bucky is is saying, uh, go 681 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 1: to class, all of them, be on time to meetings. 682 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 1: If not, we're locking the door and you're not getting in. 683 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 1: And you gotta learn to be on time. They said, well, 684 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,720 Speaker 1: what about hats. Can we wear hats inside? And I said, 685 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 1: I don't care if you wear it, but someone comes 686 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 1: up till you take it off and be respectful and 687 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 1: say yes sir and no sir, and yes ma'am and 688 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 1: no ma'am, and let people go through the door before 689 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 1: you do. Just little things like that. Pick pick up 690 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 1: your trash. The dressing room was trash, the training table 691 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 1: picking up pick it up? And they said, well, what what? 692 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 1: What's that gonna matter what? You'll have your penalties, you'll 693 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 1: have more pride in what you do, and you'll start 694 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 1: looking at things from a different perspective. And I think 695 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 1: that's the thing you have to do to win. And 696 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 1: if you do all of those things right in your 697 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 1: life every day, then you start doing things right in 698 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: your life every day and the little things that are 699 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 1: really huge become important to you. Coach, I'm I'm curious. 700 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 1: You know through the recruiting process, and I'm sure it's 701 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 1: changed over the years, um, but how how do you 702 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 1: get your staff to understand the importance you talked about? 703 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 1: You want competitive guys, Um, I know some guys are 704 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 1: gonna be higher rated than others. Some guys are gonna 705 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,240 Speaker 1: you're gonna have more pressure on you from the outside. 706 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 1: You've got to sign this kid because he's a five 707 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 1: star kid or what have you. But how do you 708 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 1: give your coaches and your whole operation the courage to 709 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 1: say no to some of these guys because they might 710 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 1: not be the right fit for your program. Uh J, 711 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,040 Speaker 1: it's a It's a great question. It is a very 712 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 1: difficult thing to do. And what I've done is is 713 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 1: the other thing I learned when I was out five 714 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 1: years is uh that I know more about this than 715 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,479 Speaker 1: most of the people that I haven't been doing it 716 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 1: for thirty one years. So I'm the one that says 717 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:08,720 Speaker 1: I'm not Bucky knows. North Carolina is a different place. 718 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,239 Speaker 1: It's got some Ivy League to it, and and not 719 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,960 Speaker 1: everybody fits here. And you walk into that classroom, you 720 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,080 Speaker 1: better be willing to study, and you better be smart, 721 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,200 Speaker 1: and you better be confident. And I've told our guys 722 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:20,960 Speaker 1: with a couple of guys, I just said, guys, he's 723 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,319 Speaker 1: not gonna make it here. So we can get him 724 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,920 Speaker 1: in for for a year, but that's not gonna help us. 725 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 1: We're gonna lose somebody that would be a two year 726 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,239 Speaker 1: player because we took this guy, and uh so I'm 727 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,840 Speaker 1: I'm looking at it very very closely. And one of 728 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,400 Speaker 1: the things that really helped me, here's familiarity. I'm familiar 729 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 1: with the state. I'm still familiar with so many of 730 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,680 Speaker 1: the high school coaches. I'm familiar with the university. It's 731 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:45,960 Speaker 1: kind of funny, Bucky, but the vice chancellor comes up 732 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,239 Speaker 1: and says, hey, yeah, I graduated ninety four when you 733 00:34:48,239 --> 00:35:00,600 Speaker 1: were here. And I said, that's great. You. Uh, I 734 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 1: know the university, it hadn't changed much, Chapel Hill hadn't 735 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 1: changed a lot. So um, I'm very familiar with who 736 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 1: fits here. And then I was able to hire a 737 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:13,440 Speaker 1: lot of coaches that have recruited this area. So they 738 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,800 Speaker 1: also have recruited against North Carolina for so many years, 739 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:20,920 Speaker 1: and they understand how hard it is to recruit against 740 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 1: North Carolina if we're doing what we're supposed to do 741 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,080 Speaker 1: because it's a special place. But they also understand the 742 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,640 Speaker 1: negatives that people will say about us and recruited because 743 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:33,839 Speaker 1: they were the one saying all those things. Probably, you know, coach, 744 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 1: I've I've heard a lot of coaches that are having 745 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,840 Speaker 1: success now have said that they've talked to you or 746 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:41,879 Speaker 1: they spend time with you in your program, not only 747 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,319 Speaker 1: in North Carolina but at Texas and that they learned 748 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,799 Speaker 1: how to kind of create culture. When you think about 749 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,520 Speaker 1: their work culture, what does it mean when it comes 750 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,440 Speaker 1: to building your program and how important is it to 751 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,319 Speaker 1: have the culture right before you really can win at 752 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:58,359 Speaker 1: a big level. Bucky, I think the biggest thing that 753 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,799 Speaker 1: people use the word culture all the time. I've never 754 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,120 Speaker 1: used it much, but I think you are who you are. 755 00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,400 Speaker 1: And the first thing that has to happen with our 756 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:10,880 Speaker 1: assistant coaches are staff and our team is they have 757 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,440 Speaker 1: to know that I'm gonna be honest with them. So 758 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:17,880 Speaker 1: whatever I tell them, I'm gonna do. And if they 759 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,000 Speaker 1: don't have that trust, then it it just doesn't work. 760 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,120 Speaker 1: So the first thing we did is we came in 761 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,239 Speaker 1: and said, Okay, Bucky, you've been losing. Why tell me 762 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,920 Speaker 1: why you're losing. Tell me what needs to change. Secondly, 763 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:30,799 Speaker 1: what what do you want? What do you need? Well, 764 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:32,640 Speaker 1: the food is bad, We'll fix the food. So Sally 765 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:34,880 Speaker 1: and I eat on the training table every day. And 766 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:36,440 Speaker 1: if the food was bad, I brought the guy in 767 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,759 Speaker 1: and said, ain't change this. This is dry, this is 768 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:42,719 Speaker 1: too greasy and and if you don't change it, we're 769 00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:47,160 Speaker 1: gonna change you. So the kids like now now we've 770 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,399 Speaker 1: got great food and that looks good. The players, Lannes, 771 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,160 Speaker 1: why don't you go into players Lannes, there's nothing there 772 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,719 Speaker 1: were like here, pad and pencil, write down what you like? 773 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:56,800 Speaker 1: What do you want? I want this video game? Okay, 774 00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,520 Speaker 1: we'll get it. I want a bigger Papa Shot. I 775 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,480 Speaker 1: want to great look them won't sleep pods. We'll get it. 776 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,680 Speaker 1: Whatever you want, but you gotta come in there and 777 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:05,640 Speaker 1: use it, because we want you around here and want 778 00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,680 Speaker 1: you to believe in us. That the field has been 779 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:10,520 Speaker 1: bad for the last couple of years. We'll put filter 780 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,400 Speaker 1: fin we'll put synthetic grass and that will be faster 781 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:15,799 Speaker 1: than other people. That that's gonna it's gonna look good. 782 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,440 Speaker 1: And um, the weight room coach, we don't have the 783 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,919 Speaker 1: right weight which change the weight room? Fix it? Well, 784 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 1: our lockers are still the ones you probably use, Bucky, 785 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,399 Speaker 1: and we said no, let's let's get new lockers. Let's 786 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,759 Speaker 1: fix them. So number one, you've got to commit to them. 787 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,880 Speaker 1: Number two, you've gotta to give them what they want 788 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,520 Speaker 1: within the rules and make sure that they understand that 789 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:40,600 Speaker 1: the program is special. It's not just we're not asking 790 00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,080 Speaker 1: you to do special things, but not giving you special 791 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:46,279 Speaker 1: things to do those things. And and then thirdly, they 792 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,719 Speaker 1: need to know that if I tell them, uh, they're 793 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,360 Speaker 1: gonna have steak on Friday night and State doesn't show up, 794 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:55,360 Speaker 1: then I'm not doing my job. So whatever you tell 795 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,200 Speaker 1: these young people, they need to know that you're gonna 796 00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:02,320 Speaker 1: follow it up. And again, we all talk about little things. 797 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:06,600 Speaker 1: Little things like trusts are huge, and without that, it 798 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:10,239 Speaker 1: just doesn't work. So I've become d you. Another thing 799 00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,080 Speaker 1: about the five years, I've become so direct with our 800 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,880 Speaker 1: staff and our assistant coaches. I've become so direct with 801 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,520 Speaker 1: our team. I tell him exactly what I think and 802 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,960 Speaker 1: and and I've told him you, if you don't want 803 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:27,080 Speaker 1: to hear the truth, then grow up. Grow up. That's 804 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,160 Speaker 1: part of part of life. People are gonna tell you 805 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,920 Speaker 1: things you don't want to hear. And and so our 806 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,360 Speaker 1: assistant coaches said, I can't believe that kids so sensitive. 807 00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,480 Speaker 1: He's got to grow up. And then I jump on them. 808 00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,840 Speaker 1: First something to do is pout, And I said, he 809 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:47,560 Speaker 1: gotta he got up. Man, let's put me in sensitive 810 00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,040 Speaker 1: and let's talk about what we need to do to 811 00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:53,120 Speaker 1: fix this place. I love it, Coach, I tell you what. 812 00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,919 Speaker 1: I've got notes full of leadership right now, and also 813 00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,080 Speaker 1: a note to myself that when I get out to 814 00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,239 Speaker 1: visit the North Carolina football program, I'm come on a 815 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,680 Speaker 1: Friday because it sounds like that might be kind of steak. Guys, 816 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,040 Speaker 1: I'm in for that steak on a Friday night. They're 817 00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:10,160 Speaker 1: a chapel hill. But this is this is the question. Okay, 818 00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,839 Speaker 1: that's it. Your promises are gold. I know that I'm 819 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,440 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be there. Uh, Coach. We've asked this to 820 00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,160 Speaker 1: a bunch of different coaches and we've got so many 821 00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,480 Speaker 1: fascinating answers. So I'm max just to hear you reply here. Um, 822 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:25,600 Speaker 1: we've asked guys, the best high school football player that 823 00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:27,960 Speaker 1: you've ever seen? It could be a player that you signed. 824 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:29,759 Speaker 1: A bunch of them have been guys that these these 825 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,520 Speaker 1: coaches didn't sign. But there's there's a guy that stuck 826 00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,080 Speaker 1: out to him as as just the best high school 827 00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,560 Speaker 1: football player you've ever seen? Who is it? I would 828 00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:42,440 Speaker 1: probably kind I'm gonna give you three bench young. It 829 00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:44,680 Speaker 1: was one of the best players to ever play the game. 830 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:49,440 Speaker 1: Derek Johnson, linebacker for the Kansas City Chiefs, who I 831 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,759 Speaker 1: saw him make thirty three tackles in a high school 832 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:56,080 Speaker 1: football game. And Adrian Peterson, who made me miserable for 833 00:39:56,120 --> 00:40:00,239 Speaker 1: four years in Oklahoma. Lan Swan was the sidelineer porter 834 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,239 Speaker 1: and I think Adrian had two hundred yards the first half. 835 00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,200 Speaker 1: Russian He said, how do you stop him? I said, 836 00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,480 Speaker 1: I watched six other games nobody else has stopped, So 837 00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:10,200 Speaker 1: why wouldn't you think we're gonna We're gonna watch you? Brother? 838 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:15,879 Speaker 1: But but there's so many great ones, but those those 839 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:20,600 Speaker 1: have to be right right at the top of my list. Hey, coaches, um, 840 00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,880 Speaker 1: that's fabulous. I mean you named all those guys. Vy, 841 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,879 Speaker 1: I had a small little wager that Vince would would 842 00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,640 Speaker 1: show up. I also thought that, uh what did that say? 843 00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:34,120 Speaker 1: I said, uh, uh, you said, Cedric said Vy? Didn't 844 00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,319 Speaker 1: I say Sandri Benson would also show up in the list? Well, 845 00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:43,680 Speaker 1: Ricky Williams, said Jamal Charles Roy Williams, Bucky brother. Let's 846 00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:48,960 Speaker 1: just I wouldn't say Corey Holliday, but he was too slow. Hey, coach, coach, 847 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:50,360 Speaker 1: I gotta tell you my I gotta tell you my 848 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,360 Speaker 1: Ricky Williams story here real quick because I was I 849 00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,120 Speaker 1: grew up in San Diego, so played baseball against Ricky, 850 00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:56,960 Speaker 1: but I I our teams didn't play each other in 851 00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:58,680 Speaker 1: high school. But I went and watched and play against 852 00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:02,759 Speaker 1: Granite Hills and uh, Grant Hills bottles Ricky Williams up 853 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,280 Speaker 1: the whole game, coach, and Grant Hills is up six nothing. 854 00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,200 Speaker 1: They're like the fifteen yard line. It's it's late in 855 00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:09,799 Speaker 1: the game, a couple of minutes left. They're gonna kick 856 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:11,640 Speaker 1: a field goal. It's gonna be nine nothing of the 857 00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,880 Speaker 1: game's over. Ricky breaks in the line, blocks the field goal, 858 00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,680 Speaker 1: scoops it and scores and Patrick Henry won seven to six. 859 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:22,160 Speaker 1: Because Ricky Williams, he was unbelievable man. Ricky I always 860 00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,879 Speaker 1: wanted to cover kickoffs. He wanted to be the linebacker. 861 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,520 Speaker 1: He wanted said just shut up, run the ball. I 862 00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:32,120 Speaker 1: thought I need shooting. So we're playing a n M. 863 00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:37,879 Speaker 1: He's got a chance to break the rushing record number one. Uh. 864 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:39,719 Speaker 1: And then he's got a chance to be the all 865 00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:44,920 Speaker 1: time leading all purpose yardage record winner. UM. And that 866 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:49,880 Speaker 1: was McCallum from Navy. UM. So he says coach, can 867 00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,600 Speaker 1: I return kickoffs so I can meet McCallum's record, And 868 00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,120 Speaker 1: I said, you got sixty four yards to get against Anyam. 869 00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,359 Speaker 1: They're the number six defense in the country. You better 870 00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,319 Speaker 1: be worried about getting your sixty four yards. He said, 871 00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,359 Speaker 1: I'm not worried about that. Coach. I want I want 872 00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,880 Speaker 1: the overall record, which was to thirty five or something. 873 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,880 Speaker 1: Uh Napoleon mccalluman. I said, no, you can't do it. 874 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,960 Speaker 1: So he breaks the rushing record first, and he comes 875 00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:15,160 Speaker 1: over and says, I got it. Coach, I'm good. He said, 876 00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:18,319 Speaker 1: what about that kickoff returns? No, no, let's go beat 877 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,319 Speaker 1: an l So he comes, he comes back, he ends 878 00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,880 Speaker 1: up breaking McCallum's record. He comes by and passed me 879 00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,359 Speaker 1: on the tail, says, uh, we're good. I don't need 880 00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:35,120 Speaker 1: to kickoff return coaching. That's great. So so coach. So 881 00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:40,000 Speaker 1: this weekend you're participating in the first annual Bucky Brooks 882 00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:44,520 Speaker 1: Danna Jeremiah boll Is North Carolina versus AL State. Can 883 00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,160 Speaker 1: you get us just a little pressure, a lot of pressure. 884 00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,920 Speaker 1: And I know it's special for you, knowing that you 885 00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:52,440 Speaker 1: coach at a state and started at that state. So 886 00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,919 Speaker 1: give me a little little preview on the Mountaineers. Well, 887 00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,160 Speaker 1: number what can we do this? With DJ sitting here? 888 00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:02,480 Speaker 1: Do we need to have him step out? Know you can? 889 00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,480 Speaker 1: You can? You can? You can flow them up and 890 00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,720 Speaker 1: talk about how great there and audered us stuff. That's perfect, 891 00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,759 Speaker 1: all right? I believe in Number One. I love the 892 00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,239 Speaker 1: place they gave me my first start. We have a 893 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,960 Speaker 1: home in lynn Bull, seventeen miles from Boone. The last 894 00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,279 Speaker 1: five years, we've spent nearly six months up there, and 895 00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,960 Speaker 1: I love the people. I love the place. I've been 896 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:25,480 Speaker 1: fundraising for Appalachian for the last five years with Doug Gillham. 897 00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:31,359 Speaker 1: They're they're so. I mean, I've been wearing my black 898 00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,400 Speaker 1: and my black and gold I've had he had on 899 00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,880 Speaker 1: at the gun course. So I'm all in. And and 900 00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,279 Speaker 1: then I said, but that's stupid for North Carolina to 901 00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:41,960 Speaker 1: be playing them because I got the best team in 902 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,759 Speaker 1: the state. And that was three years ago. And then 903 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,359 Speaker 1: I show up now here. I am so welcome back 904 00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:52,960 Speaker 1: to the first Bowl between you two. Uh. You look 905 00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,680 Speaker 1: at the job that spark you Woods did after I left. You. 906 00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,959 Speaker 1: Look at the job that Jerry Board did three national championships. 907 00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:02,200 Speaker 1: And then I thought maybe they shouldn't go uh fbs 908 00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,440 Speaker 1: and and here they are. They they've won eleven, eleven, 909 00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:07,520 Speaker 1: nine and ten the last four years. That won more 910 00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,400 Speaker 1: than anybody else to stay in North Carolina. Um. And 911 00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,319 Speaker 1: of course they play East Tennessee in the opener, which 912 00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,880 Speaker 1: they didn't have to stress for. They play Charlotte the 913 00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:17,920 Speaker 1: second game, which they didn't have to stress far. Then 914 00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,520 Speaker 1: they get a week off because of their conference, allows 915 00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,479 Speaker 1: them to to come in here fresh and excited about 916 00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,640 Speaker 1: playing North Carolina for only the second time in school history. 917 00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,360 Speaker 1: The first time was nineteen forty and I did not 918 00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,600 Speaker 1: make that game. I was not there probably so but 919 00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:36,480 Speaker 1: there there. When you look at them, they're really talented. 920 00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,880 Speaker 1: I said this morning, they're they're as talented as the 921 00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:42,239 Speaker 1: A C C teams that we played. And they've got 922 00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,000 Speaker 1: a lot of guys, uh that are are big time. 923 00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:49,160 Speaker 1: And I give Scott Sadderfield credit for finding guys that 924 00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,160 Speaker 1: that other people didn't find that that are so good. 925 00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:56,040 Speaker 1: And um, they're just good. You don't win as many 926 00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:59,160 Speaker 1: games as they have yet the Miami got after him, 927 00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:02,120 Speaker 1: wake Forest be too with uh last second field goal, 928 00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,680 Speaker 1: Tennessee beat them in overtime. Penn State beats them in overtime. 929 00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,239 Speaker 1: I mean, they're not the one that you check out 930 00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:13,279 Speaker 1: and say, hey, you want to play, that's this bunch 931 00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,880 Speaker 1: in Central Florida or not too that you go looking 932 00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:17,880 Speaker 1: for to put on your schedule. Let's put it that 933 00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:21,759 Speaker 1: way for sure. For sure what coaches always a player? Well, coach, 934 00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:23,759 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what if if 935 00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,000 Speaker 1: if you could just be nice to my mountaineers, I'll 936 00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,759 Speaker 1: get your steak dinner and then uh, then we'll be 937 00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:30,440 Speaker 1: there and that's all. That's all we need to do. 938 00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:34,239 Speaker 1: I've seen video DJ that's not gonna fly. Don't even 939 00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,879 Speaker 1: don't even start. You need to call him up there. 940 00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,120 Speaker 1: I told him, I like you guys, I live there. 941 00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,960 Speaker 1: We're either way, coach, We're definitely going to enjoy it. 942 00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,520 Speaker 1: We we so appreciate you spend a little time. I 943 00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:52,239 Speaker 1: always love when I get a chance to catch up 944 00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,400 Speaker 1: with you. Um. Looking forward to the great things you 945 00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:56,240 Speaker 1: can do with Cheff. Well, best of luck this weekend 946 00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,839 Speaker 1: going forward the rest of the season. Thank you guys 947 00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,400 Speaker 1: in dej you can see the reason I coach of 948 00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:03,359 Speaker 1: the Bucky Brooks of the world. They're They're a joy 949 00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:05,600 Speaker 1: to my life, and I'm so proud of those guys 950 00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:07,680 Speaker 1: and they're just they're just part of a big family 951 00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:09,759 Speaker 1: that I've been so lucky to have so many years 952 00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,400 Speaker 1: and so many head coaches. So many people don't get 953 00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,680 Speaker 1: to be a head coach, so many don't get to 954 00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:16,800 Speaker 1: be a head coach more than about three years, thirty 955 00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:18,719 Speaker 1: one years. I got a lot of great people in 956 00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:22,000 Speaker 1: my life, like Bucky and love you to death. Thanks coach. 957 00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,359 Speaker 1: Bucky is a walking billboard for your coach. So highly 958 00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,600 Speaker 1: of you, and I've learned, I've learned. I feel like 959 00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,880 Speaker 1: I've learned so much from you through Bucky. So thank you, 960 00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,799 Speaker 1: thank you for that. I appreciate it. Thank you guys, 961 00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,560 Speaker 1: thanks for having me on. And I'm Bucky. I hope 962 00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:44,640 Speaker 1: you're really good Saturday in DJ. I hope you're miserable well, Buck, 963 00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:47,560 Speaker 1: I oh, man, I I gotta be honest. I love 964 00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,239 Speaker 1: your coach and Mac Brown. Although him saying that he 965 00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:51,920 Speaker 1: wants me to be miserable hurt a little bit. I 966 00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:57,840 Speaker 1: got a little bit. But man, the charisma, the charisma 967 00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,840 Speaker 1: that he has. You can tell um he whyle he 968 00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,759 Speaker 1: ran the state of North Carolina and why he was 969 00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,040 Speaker 1: able to win a national championship at Texas. I think 970 00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,800 Speaker 1: people I think people remember the Texas stuff, Buck, but 971 00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,000 Speaker 1: you were there obviously. In North Carolina. It was a 972 00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,560 Speaker 1: time with mac there that they were kind of like 973 00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,240 Speaker 1: Clemson and that they could go anywhere in the southeast 974 00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:20,040 Speaker 1: and that was the place everybody wanted to go. Yeah, look, DJ, 975 00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,600 Speaker 1: that was a time I think people could get his 976 00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:24,960 Speaker 1: last year in North Carolina, they finished in the top five. 977 00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,359 Speaker 1: I want to say they finished number four in the polls. Uh. 978 00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,719 Speaker 1: That was Drey drey Bligh and Greg Ellis and Dak Crew. 979 00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:33,960 Speaker 1: And you're right. When Carolina was good and when Carolina 980 00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,319 Speaker 1: was really rolling under mc brown, he did a great 981 00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,040 Speaker 1: job of recruiting kind of like a four state area. 982 00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:42,759 Speaker 1: It was North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia, and then a 983 00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,040 Speaker 1: little bit of the d C and Georgia swing. So well, 984 00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:47,680 Speaker 1: we'll say four because he split those two states. But uh, 985 00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:49,359 Speaker 1: he kept with local and he did a great job 986 00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,800 Speaker 1: of developing those guys. I think he's tried to energize 987 00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,759 Speaker 1: the base to get back to really putting the fence 988 00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,200 Speaker 1: around that area. And the one thing that I believe 989 00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:59,640 Speaker 1: he has done, he's added some excitement the freshman quarterback 990 00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:03,560 Speaker 1: that it Sam Howell has been terrific ball all over 991 00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:07,000 Speaker 1: UH the yard and so they've been able to score points. 992 00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:09,359 Speaker 1: Now we'll see because this would be a major test 993 00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:11,839 Speaker 1: for them. App State UH traditionally has play a really 994 00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:15,400 Speaker 1: good defense. They have an older, established team, and so 995 00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,640 Speaker 1: this would be one where the challenge will be can 996 00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:21,680 Speaker 1: he get his guys up coming off their disappointing loss 997 00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:23,680 Speaker 1: ed wait for us to get them to play? Are 998 00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,279 Speaker 1: only their best game of the year because they were 999 00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,960 Speaker 1: a little flavors wait for us UH last Friday night. Well, 1000 00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:31,400 Speaker 1: they're not gonna be flat. There's gonna be a lot 1001 00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,719 Speaker 1: of energy in this stadium for this game. UM, it's 1002 00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:35,239 Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of fun. And it's great to 1003 00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:38,120 Speaker 1: catch up with Marc Brown and UH equal equal time 1004 00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:40,160 Speaker 1: here on the Movie six podcast because we got a 1005 00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:43,240 Speaker 1: chance also to visit with the head coach of my school, 1006 00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:46,360 Speaker 1: Eli drink Witz, has taken over the app State football program. 1007 00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:49,239 Speaker 1: UH finds themselves at to and know, but this is 1008 00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:51,480 Speaker 1: a big one and I do believe he knows that. 1009 00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:53,480 Speaker 1: You're gonna get a sense of that during our conversation 1010 00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:56,600 Speaker 1: with coach drink Witz. Alright, coaches it's great to have 1011 00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:58,759 Speaker 1: you with us. My my first question for you just 1012 00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:02,120 Speaker 1: how much fun are you having being a head coach 1013 00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,320 Speaker 1: for the first time here at APP State. Are you 1014 00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,400 Speaker 1: enjoying this? The only thing I can equate it too 1015 00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:09,080 Speaker 1: is like going to church camp for a week, but 1016 00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:11,560 Speaker 1: I've been doing it for nine months and just having 1017 00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:13,120 Speaker 1: the time in my life. To be honest with you, 1018 00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:15,600 Speaker 1: I mean, we were cracking jokes today in the staff 1019 00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:18,799 Speaker 1: room and and having a good time. I enjoy being 1020 00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:22,000 Speaker 1: around these kids. I uh enjoy coming to work today. 1021 00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,759 Speaker 1: I work with great people. And uh yeah, that's the 1022 00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:26,800 Speaker 1: only thing I can equate it too. We have a 1023 00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:28,200 Speaker 1: chance to talk to a lot of coaches, and we 1024 00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,480 Speaker 1: talked to guys that that take over teams that have 1025 00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:33,839 Speaker 1: have struggled, and you're really trying to change the entire 1026 00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:35,800 Speaker 1: culture of a place. Now. You you have a unique 1027 00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,239 Speaker 1: situation here. You're going to app where there's been a 1028 00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,280 Speaker 1: long history of success, but now your task with taking 1029 00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:44,040 Speaker 1: something that's been really good and trying to take it 1030 00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:46,920 Speaker 1: to be great. Um, you know big of a challenge 1031 00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:48,560 Speaker 1: was that for you individually? And how do you go 1032 00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,440 Speaker 1: about attacking that? I think it's actually a tough challenge 1033 00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:53,560 Speaker 1: because you know, when you go into a place and 1034 00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:55,960 Speaker 1: you're taking over and establishing a culture, there's instant buying 1035 00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:59,239 Speaker 1: because everybody wants to win. And when you come here, uh, 1036 00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:01,239 Speaker 1: they've want to lot of games in the past, and 1037 00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:03,440 Speaker 1: so you're trying to say, well, we need to do 1038 00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:06,719 Speaker 1: this to make improvements, and everybody's gonna have a little 1039 00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,960 Speaker 1: faith and that that it's gonna work. But also for me, 1040 00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:12,520 Speaker 1: I had to lower my ego and say, you know what, 1041 00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:14,799 Speaker 1: maybe there's a better way than what I've done. Maybe 1042 00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:17,600 Speaker 1: something they're doing is very effective. And I think as 1043 00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:21,360 Speaker 1: a staff we talked about a lot preference versus performance. 1044 00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:24,239 Speaker 1: We all have preferences in life, but at the end 1045 00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:25,640 Speaker 1: of the day, it's about what's going to lead to 1046 00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,800 Speaker 1: the highest performance and whether or not it was their idea, 1047 00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,680 Speaker 1: our idea, something we can all work together. Do we 1048 00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:33,200 Speaker 1: call it this, do we call it what they called 1049 00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:36,120 Speaker 1: it last year? That's really the approach we've taked is 1050 00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:40,399 Speaker 1: low ego, high output, preference versus performance. And um, it's 1051 00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:43,560 Speaker 1: been a really good jail. We've got some really good leaders. Um, 1052 00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:45,840 Speaker 1: the culture of this program has been set for a 1053 00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:49,479 Speaker 1: long time, so we didn't have to change any of that, Coach. 1054 00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:52,239 Speaker 1: I've got my partner here, Bucky's is in the room, 1055 00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,200 Speaker 1: and and he's a North Carolina guy. So I just 1056 00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:58,560 Speaker 1: because Bucky's a good friend, just just be nice to him, 1057 00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:00,520 Speaker 1: you can be. I didn't get him. Well, I didn't 1058 00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:02,160 Speaker 1: know that I was supposed to wear inside this week. 1059 00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:03,880 Speaker 1: I didn't know that I was supposed to wear Apple's 1060 00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,319 Speaker 1: and stay stuff. I see it all on the screen. UM. 1061 00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:08,320 Speaker 1: I have a tremendous amount of respect for the program, 1062 00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:12,080 Speaker 1: having so many high school teammates to school with end 1063 00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:14,440 Speaker 1: up there. But I didn't get the memo. D should 1064 00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:16,200 Speaker 1: at least text me let me know. Maybe I could 1065 00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:18,600 Speaker 1: have douge into Creasy found some mapp stuff. Well, I 1066 00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:21,319 Speaker 1: tell you what if things go our way Saturday, I'll 1067 00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:28,239 Speaker 1: send you something. Yes, yes, hey, coach, I want to 1068 00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:29,880 Speaker 1: pick up on what you talked about, because I think 1069 00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:33,680 Speaker 1: it's interesting you talked about preference over performance and the 1070 00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:37,680 Speaker 1: challenge of taking over a program that is already established. UM. 1071 00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:39,839 Speaker 1: A lot of times when you hear coaches take over, 1072 00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,880 Speaker 1: they talk about trust and communication and building their relationship 1073 00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,440 Speaker 1: with their players. What if some of the things you've 1074 00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:47,560 Speaker 1: been able to do to try and get that connection. 1075 00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:49,800 Speaker 1: So you guys can't go to the next step with 1076 00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,520 Speaker 1: you in charge. Well, you know, we we try a 1077 00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:54,600 Speaker 1: variety of things. I mean, we talked about you have 1078 00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:57,600 Speaker 1: to build trust and respect and really the four core 1079 00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:01,319 Speaker 1: values of our programmers. Number one, all compete. We want 1080 00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:03,440 Speaker 1: to be better today than we were yesterday, be better 1081 00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:06,560 Speaker 1: tomorrow thanhen were today. And if you're always competing, you 1082 00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:09,240 Speaker 1: can buy into that. I mean, that's that's the process 1083 00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:11,759 Speaker 1: of being a champion. Whether you did it last year 1084 00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,320 Speaker 1: this year, the process always starts over. And then the 1085 00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,920 Speaker 1: second thing is build trust and respect. Uh, and that's 1086 00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:21,680 Speaker 1: something that only comes with investment through time. And so 1087 00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:23,840 Speaker 1: we've tried a lot of things, whether it's you know, 1088 00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:26,680 Speaker 1: going out and you know, our quarterbacks played the Quarterback 1089 00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,640 Speaker 1: Masters Tournament where we went out and played uh, you know, 1090 00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,200 Speaker 1: around the golf with everybody and made it a fun thing. 1091 00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:35,360 Speaker 1: This fall camp, we did what we called the Mountaineer Olympics, 1092 00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:40,200 Speaker 1: which was, uh, we divided each coach drafted a team 1093 00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:43,160 Speaker 1: he could not draft anybody in his position group and 1094 00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:45,400 Speaker 1: then we had you know, unity teams where we went 1095 00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:47,960 Speaker 1: around and talked about shared our stories. But then we 1096 00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:50,439 Speaker 1: also had games. We had a camp out on the Rock, 1097 00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,920 Speaker 1: just as many different things that we can do together 1098 00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:57,160 Speaker 1: to build that trust and respect outside of the football field, 1099 00:52:57,640 --> 00:52:59,680 Speaker 1: to try to gel as fast as we can. And 1100 00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:01,920 Speaker 1: it was it was a really awesome event. I mean, 1101 00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:05,360 Speaker 1: staying the night with a hundred and twenty football players 1102 00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,880 Speaker 1: on a on a football field is an exciting experience, 1103 00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:10,319 Speaker 1: I'll tell you that, and something a lot of them 1104 00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:12,360 Speaker 1: will never forget. Some of them never met camping before, 1105 00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,000 Speaker 1: so it was a really cool thing. Coach. It one 1106 00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:17,040 Speaker 1: of the things that people would always say about, you know, 1107 00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:18,920 Speaker 1: our teams at app State, and really it's it's been 1108 00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:20,920 Speaker 1: like that for a very long time since coach Moore 1109 00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:23,479 Speaker 1: took over UM. I talked with guys like Keith Evans 1110 00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:25,200 Speaker 1: who we played at Auburn, and talked to the guys 1111 00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:27,359 Speaker 1: I played against when we played Wake you know all 1112 00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:30,399 Speaker 1: these you know, bigger marquee programs. They always would say 1113 00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:32,400 Speaker 1: the same thing to me years after the fact, you 1114 00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:34,800 Speaker 1: guys are the most physical team that we played against. 1115 00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:37,919 Speaker 1: How do you go about with the with the restrictions 1116 00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,560 Speaker 1: and the limits on what you can do in practice 1117 00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:42,239 Speaker 1: in terms of maybe some of the contact that we 1118 00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,840 Speaker 1: could maybe do fifteen twenty years ago. You can't do anymore. 1119 00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:48,040 Speaker 1: How do you maintain that level of physicality and toughness. Well, 1120 00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:50,399 Speaker 1: we talked about two things. There's tough and then there's 1121 00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:53,000 Speaker 1: dumb tough and that's kind of how we go about 1122 00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:57,600 Speaker 1: UM measuring which one we're doing. UM. You have to hit. 1123 00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:01,239 Speaker 1: I mean football is a physical game, tam If you 1124 00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:04,320 Speaker 1: don't tackle, if you don't practice being physical, you're not 1125 00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:07,480 Speaker 1: gonna be physical. It's like you know, my father in 1126 00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:10,200 Speaker 1: laws a farmer. You don't get callouses on your hands 1127 00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:12,440 Speaker 1: by telling your hands to be callous. Do you have 1128 00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:14,120 Speaker 1: to go out there and put the work in. So 1129 00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:17,759 Speaker 1: we practice stuff on Tuesday's. We call it toughness. Tuesday's. 1130 00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:20,160 Speaker 1: We we left at six in the morning and we 1131 00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:22,319 Speaker 1: go out and have a twenty four period practice because 1132 00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:23,800 Speaker 1: that's what you have to do in order to be 1133 00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:27,120 Speaker 1: tough and physical and and that's what we do. You know, coach, 1134 00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:30,400 Speaker 1: when you when you you think about UM programs and 1135 00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:34,280 Speaker 1: recruiting is seen as the lifeline, the bloodline of maintaining 1136 00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:37,120 Speaker 1: consistently when you're sitting there and you're in the mountains 1137 00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:41,319 Speaker 1: and you have a tremendous UH program to sell. How 1138 00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:43,680 Speaker 1: do you focus your efforts on. Do I try and 1139 00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:45,680 Speaker 1: put a fence around the state, get the best players 1140 00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:47,680 Speaker 1: from the state. Do I go a little out? How 1141 00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:51,040 Speaker 1: does a coach identify here's where we really need to 1142 00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:54,319 Speaker 1: put our time and energies towards bringing players in they 1143 00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:57,520 Speaker 1: will really fit our program. I think it's twofold, really. 1144 00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:01,000 Speaker 1: I think the first thing app States such a unique place. 1145 00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:03,600 Speaker 1: It's all about finding the right fit. It's not getting 1146 00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:07,160 Speaker 1: caught up in stars or rankings or necessarily where the 1147 00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:09,600 Speaker 1: guys from the young man's from. It's about do they 1148 00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:12,439 Speaker 1: fit the culture of app State? Are they the kind 1149 00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:15,120 Speaker 1: of guys that we want to coach? Are they gonna 1150 00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:17,600 Speaker 1: be able to be successful in boone? Can they fit 1151 00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:21,359 Speaker 1: into the culture. If we find those guys, then we're 1152 00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:23,640 Speaker 1: going to be a successful football team. Whether you're from 1153 00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:27,000 Speaker 1: California and come out here like maybe Daniel did or whatever, 1154 00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:30,440 Speaker 1: you've got to find guys who can fit boone North Carolina. 1155 00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:33,920 Speaker 1: And I think the second thing is because we're Appalachian State, 1156 00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:36,839 Speaker 1: we actually can attract a regional interest. There's no such 1157 00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:39,359 Speaker 1: thing for us as saying we're gonna put a fence 1158 00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:43,880 Speaker 1: around North Carolina because South Carolina, parts of Virginia Tennessee 1159 00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:46,760 Speaker 1: are just as close for US Northwest or Northeast Georgia. 1160 00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:49,520 Speaker 1: So we're trying to do a good job of finding 1161 00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:52,799 Speaker 1: those area people finding those schools. I think for US, 1162 00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:55,080 Speaker 1: South Carolina has been such a great fit for us 1163 00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:58,440 Speaker 1: because you know, they've they've got to top tier, elite programs, 1164 00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:01,680 Speaker 1: and then after that there's some you know, a SEC 1165 00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:03,279 Speaker 1: schools that won't go in there because I think, hey, 1166 00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:05,400 Speaker 1: if this if the players not good enough to go 1167 00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,480 Speaker 1: to South Carolina or Clemson, then he's not gonna be 1168 00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:10,320 Speaker 1: good enough to come play for us. Well that's not 1169 00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:12,880 Speaker 1: necessarily true, and so that's what we're trying to do 1170 00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:16,040 Speaker 1: is find that regional niche. But the most important thing 1171 00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:18,759 Speaker 1: for me and recruiting in our staff is finding the 1172 00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:22,200 Speaker 1: right fit. Who's the young man that can fit into 1173 00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:26,200 Speaker 1: Boone North Carolina and function within a highly competitive culture. Now, 1174 00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:29,440 Speaker 1: this is not a culture where you're just gonna come 1175 00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:31,800 Speaker 1: in and survive. You gotta thrive, you gotta be willing 1176 00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:34,400 Speaker 1: to compete every day. You've got to understand what it takes. 1177 00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:38,480 Speaker 1: Because the seniors and the juniors understand the expectation and 1178 00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:41,120 Speaker 1: the work ethic that you have to have in order 1179 00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:43,880 Speaker 1: to be successful here, and if you don't match that, 1180 00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:46,879 Speaker 1: you're gonna get weeded out real quick. Coach, I want 1181 00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:48,359 Speaker 1: to go back to where you were before you came 1182 00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:50,560 Speaker 1: to app spent time at Boise, and then you were 1183 00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:52,799 Speaker 1: there at NC State and and really looking at NC 1184 00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,640 Speaker 1: State and the way that those teams were really good 1185 00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:58,239 Speaker 1: football teams. You were a part of their um. I 1186 00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:00,480 Speaker 1: think Ryan Finlay, I think the quarterback that you had 1187 00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:02,439 Speaker 1: number one, And I also think on the other side 1188 00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:04,919 Speaker 1: of the ball, that defensive line. We saw all those 1189 00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:08,240 Speaker 1: guys get drafted led by Bradley Chub Justin Jones and company. 1190 00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:11,759 Speaker 1: But if you're looking at it roster building, you know, 1191 00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:15,440 Speaker 1: are those are two places you start? Offensive or defensive line? Quarterback? 1192 00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:19,880 Speaker 1: Where where do you see a foundation for a football program? Well, 1193 00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:23,080 Speaker 1: it all starts in the trenches. I mean, it doesn't 1194 00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:27,720 Speaker 1: matter if it's high school, Sun Belt, NFL, A c C. 1195 00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:30,480 Speaker 1: You've got to win in the trenches and you've got 1196 00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:34,560 Speaker 1: to establish, uh the line of scrimmage. Every time we 1197 00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:36,920 Speaker 1: talked about a key to victory, it's never been Hey, 1198 00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:39,760 Speaker 1: we've got to establish a perimeter. It's we gotta establish 1199 00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:43,280 Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage and so it starts there um 1200 00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:45,400 Speaker 1: and then you gotta have really good quarterback play. Now 1201 00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:48,160 Speaker 1: for us an X factor and has always been this 1202 00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:51,920 Speaker 1: way at APP State as speed, you've got to recruit speed. Well, 1203 00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:55,040 Speaker 1: we may not always be able to recruit uh for 1204 00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:58,520 Speaker 1: NFL defensive lineman the way NC State was able to 1205 00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:01,360 Speaker 1: do that. You know, we're more of a multiple front 1206 00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:04,440 Speaker 1: defense with undersized guys who can really move and have 1207 00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:08,800 Speaker 1: lateral quickness and strength and can create issues by penetration 1208 00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:11,160 Speaker 1: through two different gaps or moving from a four to 1209 00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:14,800 Speaker 1: four eye to a five technique, and so that's kind 1210 00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:17,320 Speaker 1: of how we do It's being multiple at the line 1211 00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:19,520 Speaker 1: of scrimmage on the defensive side of the ball. On 1212 00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:22,720 Speaker 1: the offense side of ball, we value athleticism and length. 1213 00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:26,040 Speaker 1: It may not be hyped, we we actually value length 1214 00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:28,440 Speaker 1: of the wingspan. You may not be able to get 1215 00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:31,560 Speaker 1: that six five guy, because if we're finding a six 1216 00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:34,800 Speaker 1: five young man that's two pounds, we've probably not found 1217 00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:36,920 Speaker 1: a very good football player. We might have found a 1218 00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:40,240 Speaker 1: six five young man. So we find that really good 1219 00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:42,560 Speaker 1: football player who might be in the six three six 1220 00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:44,240 Speaker 1: three and a half. But he's got the wing span 1221 00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:46,720 Speaker 1: of a six five six seven kid who now can 1222 00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:50,200 Speaker 1: survive at that tackle position. And for us, again in 1223 00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:54,120 Speaker 1: this conference, we see so many multiple front defenses that 1224 00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:57,920 Speaker 1: athleticism is more important than mass, and so we want 1225 00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:00,400 Speaker 1: to make sure that our guys can handle movement and 1226 00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:03,480 Speaker 1: play in space. You know, coaches, it's interesting that you 1227 00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:08,880 Speaker 1: bring up um multiplicity, athleticism and speed in today's game 1228 00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:11,320 Speaker 1: when you when when you're having a building a program, 1229 00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:14,720 Speaker 1: how much the developmental part of that You talked about 1230 00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:18,040 Speaker 1: finding guys in South Carolina whatever, How important is the coaching, 1231 00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:21,240 Speaker 1: teaching and play a development piece to building a championship program. 1232 00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:25,680 Speaker 1: I don't think you can undersell player development, especially at 1233 00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:29,280 Speaker 1: our level. I mean, again, we're a great institution, we're 1234 00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:32,080 Speaker 1: a great school. We're recruiting some really high level players, 1235 00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:35,440 Speaker 1: but they always need to be developed. Um. These are 1236 00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:38,120 Speaker 1: guys that maybe they didn't junior year, didn't play a 1237 00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:40,200 Speaker 1: lot of football, or coming off an injury, and so 1238 00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:42,280 Speaker 1: we have to do a great job of getting them 1239 00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:45,840 Speaker 1: to the nutrition they need, but also the athletic performance 1240 00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:49,960 Speaker 1: that they need through you know, UM explosion training, speed training, 1241 00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:53,240 Speaker 1: making sure we're smart with how we train in the 1242 00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:57,760 Speaker 1: weight room. But for us, we are a developmental program. 1243 00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:00,720 Speaker 1: I mean we're not gonna get the Blue Rippers. I 1244 01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:02,520 Speaker 1: mean I think we've only had one. I think Daniel 1245 01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:06,760 Speaker 1: Jeremiah was the high right. He was a transfer though 1246 01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:09,880 Speaker 1: with some character issues. Coach. Yeah, yeah, there's no doubt 1247 01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:13,080 Speaker 1: about that. We took it was a flyer um. But no, 1248 01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:16,720 Speaker 1: I think you have to you have to bank on 1249 01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:18,560 Speaker 1: the fact that you're going to develop these guys. And 1250 01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:22,000 Speaker 1: I think one thing we really prided ourselves on and 1251 01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:24,600 Speaker 1: I think it's going to show up throughout the season 1252 01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:28,000 Speaker 1: is this summer we spent a lot of time working development. 1253 01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:32,040 Speaker 1: On Sunday nights, we do developmental practices, which means our freshman, 1254 01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:35,240 Speaker 1: our red shirt freshman, our sophomores are getting the bulk 1255 01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:37,840 Speaker 1: of the practice reps, whether it's in pads or whatever, 1256 01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:40,600 Speaker 1: to try to make sure we're getting those guys ready 1257 01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:44,240 Speaker 1: for the future. Coach, who are who are your coaching influences? Like, 1258 01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:46,479 Speaker 1: who would you say if two or three four guys 1259 01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:49,800 Speaker 1: have had the biggest impact on you as a coach. Well, 1260 01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:53,480 Speaker 1: obviously Gus Malson got me into college football, gave me 1261 01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:56,120 Speaker 1: an opportunity to be a q C h G A 1262 01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:58,120 Speaker 1: at All Burning gave you my first job, and so 1263 01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:02,400 Speaker 1: a lot of my uh offensive philosophy or how I 1264 01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:06,120 Speaker 1: go about putting stuff together from my mindset comes from him. 1265 01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:09,880 Speaker 1: Brian Harson was a guy who really helped me structure 1266 01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:13,960 Speaker 1: my organizational and how I put um the organization of recruiting, 1267 01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:17,680 Speaker 1: the game plan, overall structure, and that's really based out 1268 01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:20,280 Speaker 1: of the Chris Peterson model from what they did at 1269 01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:23,920 Speaker 1: Boise State and what they currently do at University of Washington. UH. 1270 01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:27,280 Speaker 1: And so those are three guys that you know, and 1271 01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:30,080 Speaker 1: I haven't spent a ton of time with Coach Peterson, 1272 01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:32,600 Speaker 1: but that's really the kind of thing that I look into. 1273 01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:35,600 Speaker 1: And then obviously you take stuff from people you've been around. 1274 01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:39,200 Speaker 1: Coach Chiswick and his value on family and making sure 1275 01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:41,600 Speaker 1: that everybody was incorporated into our program, and I think 1276 01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:43,000 Speaker 1: I tried to do a really good job of that. 1277 01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:45,880 Speaker 1: And then Dave, you know, obviously he was very good 1278 01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:49,680 Speaker 1: with with establishing the family environment and allowing us to 1279 01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:52,560 Speaker 1: bring our families on trips and and gave me a 1280 01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:54,560 Speaker 1: lot of freedom. So there's some things that I take 1281 01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:58,080 Speaker 1: from there too. Coach, when you look at the players 1282 01:01:58,120 --> 01:01:59,920 Speaker 1: that you bring it to the program. We've been asking 1283 01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:02,200 Speaker 1: guys like, what are those core values and players that 1284 01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:05,840 Speaker 1: you look at, not just athletically, but any intangible qualities. 1285 01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:08,480 Speaker 1: What is a mountaineer when you look at him when 1286 01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:11,080 Speaker 1: you're recruiting a guy to bring back to Applechian State, 1287 01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:14,720 Speaker 1: that's easy. We talked about fit for us, it's an 1288 01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:18,480 Speaker 1: acronym focused, intangibles, talented, and tough. We're looking for a 1289 01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:21,600 Speaker 1: young man who's focused. He has uh a focused a 1290 01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:24,280 Speaker 1: life to him. You know he's focused in the classroom. 1291 01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:26,400 Speaker 1: You know he knows what he wants to be. I'm 1292 01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:28,720 Speaker 1: not saying he's got everything figured out at eighteen years old, 1293 01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:31,479 Speaker 1: but he's not a flyer. He comes in your office, 1294 01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:34,640 Speaker 1: looks you in the eye. He's about his business. We 1295 01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:37,280 Speaker 1: talked about intangibles. Is this a young man you want 1296 01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:39,760 Speaker 1: in your room. If you can't stand him in the 1297 01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:41,840 Speaker 1: first ten minutes of meeting him, there's a good chance 1298 01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:43,720 Speaker 1: you don't want him in your room for sixty minutes 1299 01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:45,920 Speaker 1: when you're trying to coach him. So we want to 1300 01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:48,840 Speaker 1: make sure he has the intangibles and loves the game. 1301 01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:52,400 Speaker 1: He's gotta love football. And I don't always say that 1302 01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:55,000 Speaker 1: the young man's gotta be the smartest, But if you 1303 01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:56,960 Speaker 1: love football, you find a way to make sure you're 1304 01:02:56,960 --> 01:02:59,120 Speaker 1: a class, you're a study hall, you're doing the things 1305 01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:02,520 Speaker 1: that you're supposed to. Dude, you stay out of trouble. Talented, 1306 01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:05,240 Speaker 1: I mean it doesn't matter if you're focused and have 1307 01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:08,040 Speaker 1: the INTENSI If you're not talent enough to play, you 1308 01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:10,760 Speaker 1: can't play. We gotta recruit people who can win championships. 1309 01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:13,880 Speaker 1: And then the lasting is toughness. I value toughness just 1310 01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:17,680 Speaker 1: about as much as any uh trait that anybody can have, 1311 01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:20,680 Speaker 1: whether it's mental toughness or physical toughness. This game is 1312 01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:23,160 Speaker 1: about toughness. You're gonna you're not gonna fill a hundred 1313 01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:25,720 Speaker 1: percent once fall camp starts. Who's gonna show up every 1314 01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:27,600 Speaker 1: day to practice. The only way you get better is 1315 01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:30,200 Speaker 1: to practice. You can't just show up on Saturdays. And 1316 01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:31,840 Speaker 1: so we got to have those guys who have that 1317 01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:35,080 Speaker 1: physical and mental toughness, and the mental toughness aspect of Hey, 1318 01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:37,280 Speaker 1: maybe it didn't go my way, maybe I didn't make 1319 01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:39,640 Speaker 1: the play on play thirty two of the game, but 1320 01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:42,080 Speaker 1: play thirty three is just important. You know, I saw 1321 01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:45,000 Speaker 1: something the other day this just goes back to mental 1322 01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:48,840 Speaker 1: toughness was cam was Newton released something on YouTube and 1323 01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:51,160 Speaker 1: he talked about the older he gets, the more he 1324 01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:54,200 Speaker 1: understands that there's only three or four plays in a 1325 01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:56,800 Speaker 1: game that are going to really affect the game. But 1326 01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:59,000 Speaker 1: the trick is you don't know what they are when 1327 01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:00,800 Speaker 1: you go back and watch it. Maybe the first play 1328 01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:03,480 Speaker 1: of the game. It maybe play of the game. And 1329 01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:06,560 Speaker 1: mental toughness means you bring your a game every single 1330 01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:09,840 Speaker 1: play and I value that just about as much as anything. 1331 01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:12,400 Speaker 1: So just to rehit it focused in tangibles, talented and 1332 01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:15,320 Speaker 1: tough and that's the right fit for boone North Carolina 1333 01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:18,600 Speaker 1: or fat Blatching State coach. I love that. We we've 1334 01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:20,640 Speaker 1: had a chance to talk to a bunch of different coaches, 1335 01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:22,920 Speaker 1: um and we've hit them with this question, and we've 1336 01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:25,760 Speaker 1: been fascinated by the answers we've got because your time 1337 01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:28,320 Speaker 1: in college football, going to high school campuses and watching 1338 01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:31,040 Speaker 1: high school tape. We've just asked a question, who is 1339 01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:34,360 Speaker 1: the best high school football player that you've ever seen? 1340 01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:36,600 Speaker 1: Didn't necessarily have to play for your program, but just 1341 01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:39,320 Speaker 1: the best high school football talent you've ever laid your 1342 01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:43,160 Speaker 1: eyes on. Oh wow, best high school football talent I've 1343 01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:45,360 Speaker 1: ever lays my eyes on. You know that's that's so 1344 01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:49,680 Speaker 1: interesting because uh, you know, I've been in a lot 1345 01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:52,080 Speaker 1: of different places and I've seen different tape from whether 1346 01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:55,120 Speaker 1: it's at at Boise State or not. UM. I know 1347 01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:58,160 Speaker 1: I was immediately repressed with Justin Fields when I watched 1348 01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:01,680 Speaker 1: his junior tape and saw him lie. I think Duke 1349 01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:05,480 Speaker 1: was the only school previously to offer him besides me UM, 1350 01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:08,160 Speaker 1: and these are guys that have been recent I loved 1351 01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:11,760 Speaker 1: Keating Slovis. Uh. Keaton Slovis had had US as his 1352 01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:13,880 Speaker 1: offer before USC offered him when I was at NC 1353 01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:16,800 Speaker 1: State in his high school tape. Just the toughness he showed. 1354 01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:19,960 Speaker 1: But man, when you think about just all out freaking 1355 01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:22,600 Speaker 1: I do think. Um. I remember Sammy when I was 1356 01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:25,360 Speaker 1: at Aufern, Sammy Watkins was coming out, and I remember 1357 01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:28,600 Speaker 1: watching that tape and going, Holy cow, this dude. If 1358 01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:30,200 Speaker 1: you could get this, dude, you're gonna win a lot 1359 01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:32,560 Speaker 1: of football games. Now. I will say this, The best 1360 01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:36,520 Speaker 1: quote I've ever heard, though, was when Nick Marshall was 1361 01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:40,840 Speaker 1: at UM Uh the junior college coach Malson. We were 1362 01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:43,840 Speaker 1: at Arkansas State. We watched it, and he said, if 1363 01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:47,200 Speaker 1: we get this, dude, we're all gonna get raises. And uh, 1364 01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:49,560 Speaker 1: it turned out he went to all and they all 1365 01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:52,560 Speaker 1: got raises because they went and played the nationally. So 1366 01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:55,520 Speaker 1: I'm not saying he was prophetic, but it was pretty funny. 1367 01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:01,480 Speaker 1: That's awesome. I love it. I love it, coach. I 1368 01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:03,720 Speaker 1: gotta I gotta get into this game now. This week here, 1369 01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:07,800 Speaker 1: we've got North Carolina Buckey School. Um, it's it's uh. Look, 1370 01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:09,560 Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you that I hope, you know, 1371 01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:12,200 Speaker 1: I hope that we go undefeated and and we're playing 1372 01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:14,040 Speaker 1: in a new year six. That'd be great. But more 1373 01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:16,320 Speaker 1: than anything else, just this week, coach, I'm just I'm 1374 01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:19,320 Speaker 1: telling you, please, it would be so nice of you 1375 01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:21,480 Speaker 1: if you could go to Chapel Hill and get this done. 1376 01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:26,919 Speaker 1: The favorite, they anything favorite, We're not the favorite four 1377 01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:32,960 Speaker 1: and a half point. See, he's lying favorite didn't win. 1378 01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:36,800 Speaker 1: Anybody didn't winning his team in the state. Like, I mean, 1379 01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:38,400 Speaker 1: we we should be on the dot and this one 1380 01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:41,600 Speaker 1: if you ask me, no, I mean, look, here's the deal. 1381 01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:45,480 Speaker 1: There is nobody that wants to win this game more 1382 01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:48,120 Speaker 1: than the hundred and sixteen players in my in my 1383 01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:51,600 Speaker 1: locker room, there's nobody um And I appreciate all the 1384 01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:56,760 Speaker 1: argue with that. I think I wanted no coach now, 1385 01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:59,040 Speaker 1: because here's the deal man. Those guys put in the word, 1386 01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:02,160 Speaker 1: they put the effort, and and they're doing every single 1387 01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:05,120 Speaker 1: thing thing that we can to win this football game. 1388 01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:07,720 Speaker 1: And the thing that I've encouraged them is they can't 1389 01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:10,080 Speaker 1: listen to the noise, they can't listen to the excitement, 1390 01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:12,600 Speaker 1: they can't listen to the fans. They got to focus 1391 01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:14,680 Speaker 1: on doing their job and they don't have to play 1392 01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:17,160 Speaker 1: out of their minds. They don't have to play out 1393 01:07:17,240 --> 01:07:19,320 Speaker 1: of their heads. All they gotta do is be better 1394 01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:21,800 Speaker 1: that this week than they were last week. And what 1395 01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:23,640 Speaker 1: we need to do in order to win Saturdays. Have 1396 01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:26,680 Speaker 1: the best Wednesday practice that we've had so far this season. 1397 01:07:27,160 --> 01:07:29,480 Speaker 1: And we're not trying to make this into David and Goliathe. 1398 01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:32,520 Speaker 1: It ain't David and Glide. This is one and O mentality. 1399 01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:35,440 Speaker 1: We're trying to be the very best version of Appalachian 1400 01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:37,720 Speaker 1: State that we can be Saturday. And if that's good 1401 01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:39,720 Speaker 1: enough to win, great and if it's not that we're 1402 01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:41,720 Speaker 1: gonna come back to work on Sunday because we got 1403 01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:44,520 Speaker 1: another game the following Saturday. So you know, I've said, 1404 01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:46,920 Speaker 1: oh it's super Bowl season. Now, this ain't super Bowl season. 1405 01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:49,280 Speaker 1: This is Week three of the season, and we're trying 1406 01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:51,480 Speaker 1: to be better this week than we were a week two. 1407 01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:54,280 Speaker 1: And if I watched Week two film again, there's a 1408 01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:56,560 Speaker 1: lot of things we gotta be a better at. Hey, coach, 1409 01:07:56,720 --> 01:07:59,280 Speaker 1: just that this doesn't necessarily pertain to the North Carolina game, 1410 01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:01,640 Speaker 1: But I kind of to ask you, just because I'm curious, 1411 01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:05,480 Speaker 1: how do you get your players to handle a big 1412 01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:07,720 Speaker 1: game like that? Like you can see at the outside, 1413 01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:09,560 Speaker 1: it's a big game, But how do you get them 1414 01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:13,480 Speaker 1: to approach a game that may have maybe significant consequences 1415 01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:15,960 Speaker 1: on the outside, but get them to play the way 1416 01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:17,640 Speaker 1: that you talked about playing. Hey, let's have a one 1417 01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:21,439 Speaker 1: and no mentality this week. That's how we approach everything. Um, 1418 01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:24,960 Speaker 1: it's to always compete, to be better today than you 1419 01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:28,280 Speaker 1: were yesterday, and everything is a one and O mentality. 1420 01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:31,519 Speaker 1: The process always started, it's over. Every play has a 1421 01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:34,160 Speaker 1: life of its own, and once that plays over, you 1422 01:08:34,280 --> 01:08:36,880 Speaker 1: got to go to the next play and if you don't, 1423 01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:39,640 Speaker 1: if this play is more important than that play, or 1424 01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:41,920 Speaker 1: this is more important than that day, or this game 1425 01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:44,000 Speaker 1: is more important than that game, then you're gonna be 1426 01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:46,200 Speaker 1: on an emotional roller coaster and there's a bunch of 1427 01:08:46,320 --> 01:08:49,080 Speaker 1: ups and downs and we're trying to be even kill. Uh. 1428 01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:52,880 Speaker 1: The key to to long term staggering success is small 1429 01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:55,280 Speaker 1: daily improvements. And so the only way to make small 1430 01:08:55,360 --> 01:08:58,720 Speaker 1: daily improvements is to approach every single day with how 1431 01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:01,880 Speaker 1: can I be better to day? And we've preached it. 1432 01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:04,960 Speaker 1: You know, people have been talking about this game since 1433 01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:07,160 Speaker 1: the summer, and I think our team has done an 1434 01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:10,679 Speaker 1: outstanding job of focusing on just the task at hand. 1435 01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:13,840 Speaker 1: I don't think we look past East Tennessee State. I 1436 01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:16,400 Speaker 1: know we didn't look past you and C Charlotte. We 1437 01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:18,640 Speaker 1: didn't look past the bye week. You know, We're just 1438 01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:21,400 Speaker 1: focused on what we're supposed to do for this game. 1439 01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:24,479 Speaker 1: And that's to me, the only way to approach that's 1440 01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:27,040 Speaker 1: that's the only way to approach life. Um. You know, 1441 01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:29,320 Speaker 1: if you get caught up saying, well, in six months 1442 01:09:29,360 --> 01:09:31,400 Speaker 1: down the road, that's gonna be so exciting, and this 1443 01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:33,720 Speaker 1: is gonna be exciting, then all of a sudden. You've 1444 01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:36,120 Speaker 1: wished your life away and you've never stayed focused on 1445 01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:38,720 Speaker 1: the present. You've never been in the moment. And uh, 1446 01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:40,519 Speaker 1: that's what I'm encouraging our guys to do, just be 1447 01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:43,160 Speaker 1: in the moment. Well, coach, we had a chance earlier 1448 01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:45,960 Speaker 1: to talk with with coach Mack Brown and uh, coaches 1449 01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:48,599 Speaker 1: is Bucky knows full well, just first class and he's 1450 01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:51,439 Speaker 1: spent time at Appalachian. So we hope after this week 1451 01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:54,880 Speaker 1: that that they have a wonderful season there in Chapel Hill. 1452 01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:56,439 Speaker 1: The last thing I'll leave you with and I'll let 1453 01:09:56,520 --> 01:09:59,080 Speaker 1: you go. You've been very generous with your time. But 1454 01:09:59,200 --> 01:10:03,000 Speaker 1: Bucky is an extra are large. He's an we'll get him. 1455 01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:05,840 Speaker 1: We'll get him all after that he wants. I don't know, man, 1456 01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:15,439 Speaker 1: Nike stuff fits a little bit small double all. I 1457 01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:19,320 Speaker 1: appreciate y'all's time. Um, what I should have said about 1458 01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:21,879 Speaker 1: how do we win big games is we gotta practice 1459 01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:24,840 Speaker 1: the quarterback sneak because one of the biggest wins in 1460 01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:28,720 Speaker 1: Appalachian State history is when Daniel Jeremiah on fourth I 1461 01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:30,880 Speaker 1: think it was fourth down, right, wasn't it, Daniel? Uh 1462 01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:34,439 Speaker 1: quarterback I think versus White Forest to win the game. 1463 01:10:35,080 --> 01:10:38,240 Speaker 1: And you know, we've got Sean Clark, who was one 1464 01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:41,479 Speaker 1: of his teammates on our staff. And what we've focused on, 1465 01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:43,439 Speaker 1: and we've had Corey Lynch talked to our team this 1466 01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:46,599 Speaker 1: summer again, is it's not about trying to get hyped 1467 01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:48,599 Speaker 1: up and pumped up and all that. It's about doing 1468 01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:52,360 Speaker 1: your job and believing in yourself and believing that you're 1469 01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:54,160 Speaker 1: good enough to be on that field. If it's David 1470 01:10:54,200 --> 01:10:56,360 Speaker 1: and Goliath, man, you're already starting to think, like God, 1471 01:10:56,479 --> 01:10:59,920 Speaker 1: Lee Glas got a gred. We ain't thinking that Buck, 1472 01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:02,000 Speaker 1: he's got all the advantages. We're thinking about what size 1473 01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:08,680 Speaker 1: shirt you wear? Head coach, Tell Sean? Tell Sean, I 1474 01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:11,479 Speaker 1: said hello, and uh tell the team that there's a 1475 01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:13,599 Speaker 1: bunch of us are gonna be watching and we're proud 1476 01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:16,360 Speaker 1: of him and go get him this week. We appreciate 1477 01:11:16,439 --> 01:11:18,280 Speaker 1: you all. Thanks for all your support, Daniel, Thank you, 1478 01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:20,560 Speaker 1: Bucky for your time and best of luck coach this 1479 01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:24,120 Speaker 1: season for sure. Hey what about Saturday, see coach? Thank you? 1480 01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:27,320 Speaker 1: I mean cutting their coach, you know, come on now 1481 01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:33,920 Speaker 1: good all right? Oh Buck, I have so fired up 1482 01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:36,160 Speaker 1: for this and uh, I love the energy. Coach Drake 1483 01:11:36,200 --> 01:11:38,360 Speaker 1: Woo's bringing to the conversation there and hey, by the way, 1484 01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:40,760 Speaker 1: it called you out for you saying that athletes the 1485 01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:47,800 Speaker 1: favorites in this state, the winning his team in his day, 1486 01:11:47,880 --> 01:11:50,240 Speaker 1: like everyone wants to be the underdog and that stuff, 1487 01:11:50,280 --> 01:11:53,040 Speaker 1: like it's not a Rocky story. Uh, it's not. You're 1488 01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:56,240 Speaker 1: not Rocky bow boy. App State has been established them 1489 01:11:56,280 --> 01:11:58,679 Speaker 1: dominating in the sun Bill for a while. Uh, they've 1490 01:11:58,680 --> 01:12:02,400 Speaker 1: had more success in recent years in North Carolina. I mean, arguely, 1491 01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:04,360 Speaker 1: you could say that maybe app State has been a 1492 01:12:04,479 --> 01:12:07,679 Speaker 1: better program than North Carolina over the last two decades. 1493 01:12:07,720 --> 01:12:10,800 Speaker 1: So I don't understand why Carolina is coming in as 1494 01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:12,800 Speaker 1: a favorite. Maybe it's just people just looking at the 1495 01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:14,920 Speaker 1: names as opposed to really paying attention to the games 1496 01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:18,160 Speaker 1: and the legacy that has really taking place. Well, oh man, 1497 01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:20,880 Speaker 1: I god, I'm starting to get nervous, Buck, I really am. 1498 01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:23,280 Speaker 1: I'm getting nervous for this one. I know you guys 1499 01:12:23,360 --> 01:12:25,160 Speaker 1: have you guys got a big team. That's what you heard. 1500 01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:27,519 Speaker 1: Coach drink Wot's mentioned that just there's a little size big, 1501 01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:30,680 Speaker 1: so it'll be big, it'll be quick, it'll be our 1502 01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:34,080 Speaker 1: quickness versus your size. I think we're gonna score points, though, 1503 01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:35,760 Speaker 1: I do think we're gonna score some points. All right, 1504 01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:37,840 Speaker 1: Let's let's get a prediction here, give me a score, 1505 01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:39,240 Speaker 1: give me a score. I'll give you a score, and 1506 01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:41,400 Speaker 1: we'll see what happens. Well you got oh, I mean, 1507 01:12:41,439 --> 01:12:43,000 Speaker 1: I don't know, like I mean, I'm I know, I'm 1508 01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:44,920 Speaker 1: a pig guitarios. I don't know what the score will be. 1509 01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:47,519 Speaker 1: I will say, like, if we can keep the game, 1510 01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:50,559 Speaker 1: maybe in the twenties. That kind of plays in our 1511 01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:53,639 Speaker 1: favorite So I'm gonna say, Carolina twenty seven, app State twenty, 1512 01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:58,800 Speaker 1: how about that. That's that's cute. I'm gonna go app States. 1513 01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:03,120 Speaker 1: That's a different center coffee. That's level already eight twenty one. Right, 1514 01:13:03,479 --> 01:13:07,000 Speaker 1: and yet you want to be the underdog. No, you're 1515 01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:09,280 Speaker 1: holding us, you guys, holding us to thirty eight points 1516 01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:12,200 Speaker 1: is a big deal for your program. You guys just 1517 01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:13,720 Speaker 1: try and get back on your feet a little. I mean, 1518 01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:15,960 Speaker 1: it hasn't been good for us lost to the likes 1519 01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:19,080 Speaker 1: of East Carolina of late. I mean, I mean everyone's 1520 01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:20,760 Speaker 1: kind of had our at our way. I mean, like 1521 01:13:20,840 --> 01:13:22,479 Speaker 1: we'd be lucky. We can just show up and get 1522 01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:24,600 Speaker 1: to the stadium and and figure out where to go 1523 01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:28,720 Speaker 1: into locker rooms and audit other stuff, you know. All right, well, 1524 01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:30,840 Speaker 1: I'm coming on the show. I'm definitely gonna come on 1525 01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:33,160 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio so we can talk about this game 1526 01:13:33,240 --> 01:13:36,120 Speaker 1: on Saturday. That that is definitely happening. I do want 1527 01:13:36,160 --> 01:13:39,120 Speaker 1: to get to some uh, some questions that were lobbed 1528 01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:41,760 Speaker 1: our way on Apple podcast. We told folks, look, if 1529 01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:44,840 Speaker 1: you leave us a rating or review on Apple, if 1530 01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:46,640 Speaker 1: you just want to throw some questions out there, we'll 1531 01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:48,360 Speaker 1: be happy to answer them every Thursday on the pod. 1532 01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:50,920 Speaker 1: So we're gonna get to those questions in just one second. 1533 01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:52,599 Speaker 1: But I do want to remind everybody football is back. 1534 01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:55,400 Speaker 1: Watch live local and primetime NFL games for free all 1535 01:13:55,479 --> 01:13:57,719 Speaker 1: season long with the Yahoo Sports app or the official 1536 01:13:57,800 --> 01:14:00,479 Speaker 1: app of the NFL on your phone or tablet. Plus 1537 01:14:00,520 --> 01:14:02,599 Speaker 1: get all your latest breaking news, highlights and more. Download 1538 01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:04,720 Speaker 1: the NFL app or the Yahoo Sports app and your 1539 01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:07,320 Speaker 1: app store, or at NFL dot com slash mobile to day. 1540 01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:11,000 Speaker 1: Certain restrictions and data rates may apply. So I think, no, Bill, 1541 01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:12,800 Speaker 1: are you you got these questions for us? You can 1542 01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:15,679 Speaker 1: allow our way. Oh yeah, there's some really good questions 1543 01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:17,960 Speaker 1: right now, go for it. What we got, all right, 1544 01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:21,240 Speaker 1: it's the first one with more slash like players making 1545 01:14:21,240 --> 01:14:24,160 Speaker 1: an instant impact in the NFL like Taysom Hill. Do 1546 01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:26,880 Speaker 1: you see more NFL teams drafting these types of do 1547 01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:30,599 Speaker 1: it all offensive weapons? And if so, what next generation 1548 01:14:30,680 --> 01:14:33,240 Speaker 1: college players can you see being drafted in the next 1549 01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:35,400 Speaker 1: couple of years that can fit this type of role. Well, 1550 01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:37,400 Speaker 1: I definitely think you're gonna see more of it. I mean, 1551 01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:40,439 Speaker 1: versatility has become a huge part of the NFL, and 1552 01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:43,400 Speaker 1: you're trying and scouting to find guys, uh that can 1553 01:14:43,439 --> 01:14:46,560 Speaker 1: do multiple things. Um to me, I think you you 1554 01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:49,240 Speaker 1: talk about versatility in a lot of different ways. You know, 1555 01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:51,320 Speaker 1: I was a preview in the Little U A B 1556 01:14:51,479 --> 01:14:54,200 Speaker 1: game Uh this weekend, buck looking at it's gonna be 1557 01:14:54,240 --> 01:14:56,120 Speaker 1: on NFL Network, and they have a running back who 1558 01:14:56,160 --> 01:14:59,400 Speaker 1: you could see being transitioning into being a fullback. Um, 1559 01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:02,360 Speaker 1: there's lots of things like that as well as now 1560 01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:04,439 Speaker 1: you're talking about some of these athletic quarterbacks. I'll be 1561 01:15:04,479 --> 01:15:07,040 Speaker 1: anxious to see what happens with Perkins, the quarterback at Virginia. 1562 01:15:07,439 --> 01:15:12,919 Speaker 1: You know what kind of role at the next Goodly Perkins, 1563 01:15:13,240 --> 01:15:15,120 Speaker 1: he's a really good player. The other guy that I'm 1564 01:15:15,160 --> 01:15:18,200 Speaker 1: really intrigued by in terms of quarterback athletic quarterback? Who 1565 01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:22,720 Speaker 1: may him play another position? How about a liltated Arizona Now, Um, 1566 01:15:23,439 --> 01:15:25,320 Speaker 1: he's a little good alder like, what is he? Is? 1567 01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:27,760 Speaker 1: He a scat back and a quarterback? Can he move 1568 01:15:27,800 --> 01:15:31,439 Speaker 1: out to wire receiver? Um, he's a very young quarterback 1569 01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:33,800 Speaker 1: for to be a senior. But he certainly has some 1570 01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:36,160 Speaker 1: athleticism that you're intrigued. But I think he has. Certainly 1571 01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:39,599 Speaker 1: he definitely would get an opportunity, I no doubt. Um, 1572 01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:41,120 Speaker 1: All right, give us another question or to Bill what 1573 01:15:41,200 --> 01:15:44,479 Speaker 1: we what we got? Al right? Next one, since you 1574 01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:47,080 Speaker 1: all were talking about how much more analytics has grown, 1575 01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:49,479 Speaker 1: do you think someone like Randy Moss would have been 1576 01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:52,120 Speaker 1: drafted higher if there had been that type of info 1577 01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:54,240 Speaker 1: available at that time? And then he went in the 1578 01:15:54,280 --> 01:15:59,679 Speaker 1: first round draft twenty one overall from Marshall? Go ahead, 1579 01:15:59,720 --> 01:16:01,920 Speaker 1: but I think we're gonna have the same one. Yeah. 1580 01:16:02,120 --> 01:16:04,200 Speaker 1: I think Randy Moss had little to do with his 1581 01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:11,599 Speaker 1: game and a little the character issues and pick slammed up. YEA, yeah, 1582 01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:15,480 Speaker 1: we were you comfortable with the character concerns that surrounded 1583 01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:18,240 Speaker 1: him coming out because he had a few different issues. Um. 1584 01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:20,000 Speaker 1: One where you got kicked out of Florida State than 1585 01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:21,880 Speaker 1: the incident that he had in high school that prevented 1586 01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:23,680 Speaker 1: him from going to Notre Dame. So there was a 1587 01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:26,080 Speaker 1: lot of stuff where you just didn't know. But in 1588 01:16:26,240 --> 01:16:28,639 Speaker 1: terms of the talent, the talent was undeniable. You saw 1589 01:16:28,760 --> 01:16:31,679 Speaker 1: him dominate at Marshall, and the way that he dominated 1590 01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:34,160 Speaker 1: at Marshall is the way that you have to when 1591 01:16:34,200 --> 01:16:36,280 Speaker 1: you play. At the time Marshall was playing at a 1592 01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:38,760 Speaker 1: smaller level. He dominated. He was the best guy on 1593 01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:41,320 Speaker 1: the field whenever you watched him. So, yeah, little to 1594 01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:44,000 Speaker 1: do it analytics and more to do with the background 1595 01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:47,280 Speaker 1: and the character. But yeah, analytics would certainly be a 1596 01:16:47,439 --> 01:16:50,680 Speaker 1: bigger part of the evaluation as more evaluated to get 1597 01:16:50,720 --> 01:16:52,760 Speaker 1: comfortable trying to figure out what the numbers can tell 1598 01:16:52,840 --> 01:16:55,720 Speaker 1: them down the road. Yeah, you're gonna only you're gonna 1599 01:16:55,720 --> 01:16:57,840 Speaker 1: see Analex continue to grow and have an impact. But 1600 01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:00,679 Speaker 1: it wasn't necessarily in the In the Randy Moss discussion, 1601 01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:02,360 Speaker 1: I think Bucky hit that perfectly. That was just you know, 1602 01:17:02,439 --> 01:17:04,320 Speaker 1: some off the field stuff the teams weren't comfortable with 1603 01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:06,360 Speaker 1: or else here to been a top five pick um 1604 01:17:06,439 --> 01:17:08,800 Speaker 1: in that draft. Keep the questions coming, though, We'll be 1605 01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:10,840 Speaker 1: happy to to answer those each and every Thursday on 1606 01:17:10,920 --> 01:17:13,400 Speaker 1: the show. Uh Buck, anything else you want to add 1607 01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:16,800 Speaker 1: before we we roll out of here. Uh And I'm uh, 1608 01:17:16,920 --> 01:17:18,800 Speaker 1: I gotta stop drinking coffee. I think that's only making 1609 01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:21,479 Speaker 1: me more nervous for this game. Oh man, come on, man, 1610 01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:23,600 Speaker 1: it's Thursday. You gotta get two days. You go, you go, 1611 01:17:24,280 --> 01:17:26,519 Speaker 1: you go peek too soon. You can be on your 1612 01:17:26,880 --> 01:17:28,720 Speaker 1: But it's not good, I know, but it was. It 1613 01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:30,519 Speaker 1: was cute that you and your coach had your app 1614 01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:32,720 Speaker 1: state shirts on and all that you guys are game day. 1615 01:17:34,280 --> 01:17:36,360 Speaker 1: I have to figure out what I was surprised that. 1616 01:17:36,360 --> 01:17:38,519 Speaker 1: I was surprised you and Coach Brown weren't wearing North 1617 01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:42,240 Speaker 1: Carolina basketball gear. I figured that was you guys basketball season. Yeah, 1618 01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:44,160 Speaker 1: so well we'll see. I'll see if I can find 1619 01:17:44,200 --> 01:17:46,599 Speaker 1: my way to have some Carolina gear on by Saturday, 1620 01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:49,479 Speaker 1: so when you call in, I can be really excited 1621 01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:52,519 Speaker 1: and maybe I even send you or testing the fight 1622 01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:54,519 Speaker 1: song to have you, uh, to have you kind of 1623 01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:59,080 Speaker 1: seeing it on. I'm anxious to see what the crowd 1624 01:17:59,160 --> 01:18:01,280 Speaker 1: looks like because I I I guarantee you that that 1625 01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:03,360 Speaker 1: that the app folks are gonna travel. It's gonna be 1626 01:18:03,400 --> 01:18:05,280 Speaker 1: a good app contingency there. I bet for this one. 1627 01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:06,960 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I expect to beat it, and I don't 1628 01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:08,559 Speaker 1: think it would be a later riving crowd. I think 1629 01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:10,960 Speaker 1: Tatarios be ready, primed and ready. I think coach round 1630 01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:13,400 Speaker 1: to get him going. Yeah. Well, the last time I 1631 01:18:13,439 --> 01:18:15,000 Speaker 1: got this excited for a game was when I were 1632 01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:17,599 Speaker 1: talking with our buddy Reggie Wayne ahead of the app 1633 01:18:17,640 --> 01:18:20,960 Speaker 1: State Miami game and app State had taken Tennessee to overtime. 1634 01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:22,560 Speaker 1: I was feeling really good about it, similar to the 1635 01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:24,880 Speaker 1: way I am right now, and Miami came in there 1636 01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:26,600 Speaker 1: and just beat the living dog out of us. So 1637 01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:28,439 Speaker 1: hopefully there's not a repeat of that. I don't want 1638 01:18:28,479 --> 01:18:39,000 Speaker 1: to see that. I would be okay with that, all right, man, 1639 01:18:39,160 --> 01:18:42,040 Speaker 1: look forward to it. It's gonna be fun. It's gonna 1640 01:18:42,080 --> 01:18:43,760 Speaker 1: be a lot of fun. I hope you guys have 1641 01:18:43,880 --> 01:18:45,840 Speaker 1: enjoyed this episode. Again, it's great here and from our 1642 01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:48,519 Speaker 1: coaches looking forward to a very fun game. It's already 1643 01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:51,200 Speaker 1: in a great slate of NFL games on Sunday, So 1644 01:18:51,320 --> 01:18:54,080 Speaker 1: we don't get these opportunities many low, very often where 1645 01:18:54,120 --> 01:18:56,400 Speaker 1: we have our teams play against each other, so thanks 1646 01:18:56,439 --> 01:18:58,400 Speaker 1: for allowing us to and indulge ourselves a little bit 1647 01:18:58,439 --> 01:19:00,760 Speaker 1: on this matchup. You can check out all of our 1648 01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:05,120 Speaker 1: videos NFL dot com Slash MTS video. 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