WEBVTT - Nocturne w/ Wilson Jermaine Heredia 0:00:00.440 --> 0:00:04.240 Of the Law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.480 --> 0:00:07.040 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:07.120 --> 0:00:09.079 vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. 0:00:09.400 --> 0:00:27.400 These are our stories done done. 0:00:28.200 --> 0:00:33.080 Yay, that's messed up an SVU podcast. I'm Liza Traeger. 0:00:33.040 --> 0:00:36.400 And I'm Kara Klank and every week on this podcast 0:00:36.520 --> 0:00:41.760 it's sv episodes, true crimes and guests. But first we 0:00:41.960 --> 0:00:44.400 just like to chit chat for a little bit, catch up, 0:00:44.840 --> 0:00:47.080 and eventually get to a place where we talk about 0:00:47.120 --> 0:00:48.040 how sad the world is. 0:00:48.080 --> 0:00:51.479 But I don't try not to. We try not to. 0:00:51.960 --> 0:00:53.840 Yeah it was hard. 0:00:54.360 --> 0:00:57.400 Yeah, okay, Wait, So one thing I was going to 0:00:57.440 --> 0:01:01.440 tell you about was we've been talking about AI obviously 0:01:01.480 --> 0:01:03.320 a lot on this podcast. So today we're like, I'm 0:01:03.400 --> 0:01:06.440 driving my kids to camp and we see this car 0:01:06.480 --> 0:01:08.480 and it's not a WAYM, but it's a car that 0:01:08.560 --> 0:01:10.840 has like big cameras and shit on top of it, 0:01:10.920 --> 0:01:13.040 like a way Mo, but there's a guy driving it. 0:01:13.120 --> 0:01:15.920 So I'm like explaining Waymos to my kids. 0:01:15.959 --> 0:01:18.040 I'm like, okay, so it's like a it's a car 0:01:18.080 --> 0:01:20.080 that drives itself and it has all these cameras you 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:21.840 can't so that it knows if someone's gonna hate you 0:01:21.840 --> 0:01:22.919 blah blah blah. 0:01:22.959 --> 0:01:23.759 And then they're like. 0:01:24.200 --> 0:01:26.240 Well, I would not want to go on a waymo 0:01:26.440 --> 0:01:28.800 of an airplane and I was like, yes, no, I 0:01:28.840 --> 0:01:30.760 hope we are nowhere near WEIMO airplanes. 0:01:30.800 --> 0:01:31.400 I really do. 0:01:31.880 --> 0:01:34.600 And I was just like explaining, it's like a robot 0:01:34.640 --> 0:01:36.840 that can do this and that, and then somehow I 0:01:36.880 --> 0:01:39.479 get into telling them about AI and what it is. 0:01:39.680 --> 0:01:42.440 I'm basically like, it's robots that learn how to do 0:01:42.520 --> 0:01:44.800 things that humans can do. So it's really important that 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:49.000 you guys get jobs that are creative and rely on 0:01:49.040 --> 0:01:51.560 your brains and things that only humans can do. 0:01:51.600 --> 0:01:54.360 And they were like, uh, we lost they lost the thread. 0:01:54.680 --> 0:01:57.960 But because that's not it, people are saying people should 0:01:58.000 --> 0:02:01.160 do trades because no one cares about creativity. They just 0:02:01.200 --> 0:02:03.760 want shows that you could scroll your phone while you watch. 0:02:05.000 --> 0:02:07.600 You're right, I'm fucking them up. I was just telling them. 0:02:07.640 --> 0:02:09.320 I was like, you got to do something where you 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:11.240 can be with people, and that it has to be 0:02:11.280 --> 0:02:13.680 in person. And like Rosie was like, well, a robot 0:02:13.680 --> 0:02:16.480 can't be a park ranger, but I was like I can't. 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:19.559 But we're getting rid of the park in this administration, 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:21.960 but not when she's older, you know. So she's like, 0:02:22.000 --> 0:02:23.360 now she wants to be a park ranger. And I 0:02:23.400 --> 0:02:25.400 was telling her she'd be a great park ranger. 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:26.120 Yeah. 0:02:26.320 --> 0:02:28.359 Yeah, So she wants to be a pet park ranger 0:02:28.360 --> 0:02:29.720 because she just she wants to get a lot of pets. 0:02:30.639 --> 0:02:35.880 But her little Bessie from preschool, who you've heard of, 0:02:35.919 --> 0:02:39.200 who moved to New Jersey last year, came this weekend for. 0:02:39.160 --> 0:02:41.720 A surprise visit, and I took a. 0:02:41.720 --> 0:02:44.080 Video and stuff of them, of them seeing each other 0:02:44.080 --> 0:02:45.160 for the first time. It was crazy. 0:02:45.280 --> 0:02:46.919 I thought they were going to scream. Like I thought 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:49.600 they were going to scream. They were both like stun silent, 0:02:49.840 --> 0:02:52.519 like they Rosie like could not comprehend it. She was 0:02:52.560 --> 0:02:55.360 like standing in the doorway like, and then she just 0:02:55.400 --> 0:02:57.440 like slowly. 0:02:57.000 --> 0:02:58.120 Went and gave her a hug. 0:02:58.639 --> 0:03:00.800 And then when they came in the house and I 0:03:00.880 --> 0:03:04.240 was like, Rosie, are you surprised, she was like yeah, 0:03:04.280 --> 0:03:06.519 And I was like, yeah, Isabelle's going to sleep here tonight. 0:03:06.800 --> 0:03:09.400 She that's when she flipped her fucking lid. Like they 0:03:09.440 --> 0:03:11.840 both started screaming and like jumping up and down. 0:03:11.880 --> 0:03:12.840 It was so cute. 0:03:13.160 --> 0:03:16.040 They're like such little like I'm glad they gold made. Wait, 0:03:16.080 --> 0:03:17.639 but you knew obviously that they were coming. 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:19.840 I knew, Yeah, I knew, I knew, but it was 0:03:19.840 --> 0:03:21.040 like it was only planned a couple of days in 0:03:21.040 --> 0:03:23.240 advance that the dad just had some meetings out here, 0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:27.880 so he was coming out and uh like that's yeah cut. 0:03:27.800 --> 0:03:30.120 Well, yeah, of course, because that friend is the one 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:35.960 who inherited my stuffed rainbow poop emoji unicorns stuffed animal. Yes, 0:03:36.480 --> 0:03:38.560 I hope it made it to New Jersey. It sure 0:03:38.600 --> 0:03:42.160 did it. Sure did that baby travel across country. 0:03:43.640 --> 0:03:44.000 Yeah. 0:03:44.080 --> 0:03:46.280 So and now they're at camp today together they're having 0:03:46.360 --> 0:03:50.760 like a cute little reunion. What camp is rosy? And now, oh, 0:03:50.800 --> 0:03:52.880 I'll do a little shout out for this camp. If 0:03:52.880 --> 0:03:55.080 you live in the Los Angeles area, they're doing this 0:03:55.120 --> 0:03:56.480 camp called Hawks. 0:03:56.920 --> 0:03:57.800 It's awesome. 0:03:58.440 --> 0:04:01.200 It's all over the LA area, so there are different 0:04:01.280 --> 0:04:04.760 like locations and they go to different parks every day. 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:05.400 They hike. 0:04:05.680 --> 0:04:09.000 They like are in nature. They're outside all day. It's 0:04:09.040 --> 0:04:12.480 basically hike based. They own hikes. They stop, they play games, 0:04:12.680 --> 0:04:15.920 they stop and have little luncheon brakes and stuff, and 0:04:16.680 --> 0:04:17.120 they love it. 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:18.880 They're both doing it. 0:04:18.960 --> 0:04:23.640 Hawk's la everybody that's a free shout out my niece. 0:04:23.920 --> 0:04:28.839 So where she's staying in Mexico, there's all these hummingbirds 0:04:29.320 --> 0:04:31.960 and she's setting up feeders for them and buying special 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:35.440 like nectary, you know, special juices for them. On the 0:04:35.480 --> 0:04:39.520 ceiling outside it's there's stained glass and it looks like 0:04:39.560 --> 0:04:41.920 red flowers. So these hummingbirds get up there, but then 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:45.039 they don't have the energy to sustain themselves. And when 0:04:45.120 --> 0:04:48.320 hummingbirds don't have energy, they like go into this like coma. 0:04:49.400 --> 0:04:51.600 And she's been reviving hummingbirds. 0:04:52.600 --> 0:04:54.880 I have photos of her with like little straws, and 0:04:55.040 --> 0:04:57.599 because I saw one that was like laying near the stairs, 0:04:57.640 --> 0:05:00.560 I go, the humming bird needs you. And then she 0:05:00.760 --> 0:05:04.200 like brought the hummingbird back to life. And then out 0:05:04.200 --> 0:05:06.120 of my window there was like black hummingbirds which I've 0:05:06.160 --> 0:05:08.640 never seen and like, yeah, just really, And then my 0:05:08.680 --> 0:05:11.280 mom put out a line because of course she needs 0:05:11.279 --> 0:05:14.160 to air dry her clothes, and so the bird go 0:05:14.400 --> 0:05:16.120 out on the line. So it's like it was a 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:20.240 whole like hummingbird rehab. I also we went to a 0:05:20.279 --> 0:05:22.320 cafe where a cat's like hang out. 0:05:22.320 --> 0:05:24.679 There's two cats it's their cafe. 0:05:24.520 --> 0:05:26.440 And oh my god, they were like all I mean, 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:30.559 we were desperate for them, and they knew, they knew. 0:05:30.600 --> 0:05:35.200 It was like, so that's so cute. But Rosie's obsessed 0:05:35.200 --> 0:05:37.640 with hummingbirds. 0:05:37.640 --> 0:05:40.840 I'll send the photos I took because I also walked 0:05:40.920 --> 0:05:46.560 upon like a giant like a colony of giant wooden 0:05:46.839 --> 0:05:50.120 nests like sticks, like obviously normal looking nests, like domes 0:05:50.160 --> 0:05:55.080 filled with green like parrots, whole colony of them, whoa 0:05:55.400 --> 0:05:59.080 in nature. But also I saw a bird that makes 0:05:59.120 --> 0:06:04.920 its nest from bucks a rock nest, which was like incredible, 0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:07.440 so sturdy, so sturdy. 0:06:07.440 --> 0:06:09.320 I don't know, you must have to work really hard 0:06:09.360 --> 0:06:11.920 to like grab that little rock and get an airborne 0:06:11.960 --> 0:06:12.320 with you. 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:12.800 Damn. 0:06:13.160 --> 0:06:13.360 Yeah. 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:14.679 I just really love the animals. 0:06:14.680 --> 0:06:16.159 I don't want to become a bird person, but I 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:17.640 have one friend who's a bird person, so I've been 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:19.560 sending her all the birds, and I don't I think. 0:06:19.360 --> 0:06:21.719 She's like why, It's like I barely know this woman. 0:06:21.800 --> 0:06:24.159 But I just showed the kids a picture of a 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:26.560 hummingbird nest that I saw at my friend's house the 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:29.040 other day. It was like, look at this, it's so tiny. 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:31.440 It's like so little, these little ummings. 0:06:31.440 --> 0:06:34.839 They defy science, but they just need so much energy 0:06:35.400 --> 0:06:36.880 because they're stop trying to. 0:06:36.839 --> 0:06:38.719 Suck the nectar out of the stained glass. 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:42.280 Little birds, they're just I don't know why they can't 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:43.359 tell it's not a flower. 0:06:43.800 --> 0:06:45.680 Oh my god, I also have to tell you this. Okay. 0:06:45.880 --> 0:06:50.360 I went to my friend's birthday party last week and 0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:52.480 it was roller skating. 0:06:52.839 --> 0:06:56.480 Oh fun. So I don't think I've ever roller. 0:06:56.200 --> 0:07:03.440 Skated, Like I literally have a tiny memory of roller 0:07:03.480 --> 0:07:05.479 skating maybe when I was like ten or eleven. But 0:07:05.520 --> 0:07:06.840 it could be a dream, you know what I mean, 0:07:06.880 --> 0:07:08.440 Like it could be something I dreamt like I have. 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:10.600 No that was not like there was no roller rink 0:07:10.640 --> 0:07:12.679 around where I lived, Like we were more ice skating. 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:14.880 So I got there and I was like, oh, I. 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:17.760 Can probably I could probably be okay because I know 0:07:17.800 --> 0:07:19.480 how to ice skate, like the balance of it all 0:07:19.520 --> 0:07:21.520 and like the break on the front and stuff. 0:07:21.280 --> 0:07:23.240 Like I think I'll get it. And I was doing. 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:25.200 Okay, and I was like going around the rink, and 0:07:25.200 --> 0:07:29.040 then this girl skated into me who knew how to skate. 0:07:29.120 --> 0:07:30.960 I saw her skating later and I was like, you're good. 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:32.840 Why were you anywhere near me, get away from me. 0:07:32.920 --> 0:07:34.920 I'm just like trying to make my way around the 0:07:35.000 --> 0:07:39.760 rink and I full legs out from under me landed 0:07:39.800 --> 0:07:43.320 on my tailbone. My cocksix is bruised. 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:47.720 And I'm very uncomfortable really, but I did get back 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:49.360 up and get back on the horse. 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:52.040 I went. I kept going. I went back around and 0:07:52.080 --> 0:07:56.520 I skated with my old friend Trixie Mattel. She was there. 0:07:57.760 --> 0:08:01.160 I skated up to her, but he was in boy 0:08:01.240 --> 0:08:03.600 drag so, like I'll say, he I skate up to him. 0:08:03.760 --> 0:08:07.320 He was like, uh, he was like laughing. He goes, 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:08.400 you know, I still have you on my phone. I 0:08:08.400 --> 0:08:09.960 think about you sometimes, and I was like, I think 0:08:10.000 --> 0:08:11.480 about you all the time. I listen to your podcast 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:16.400 every week. And then we just skated around for a 0:08:16.400 --> 0:08:19.520 while together and we just talked about RuPaul and we 0:08:19.600 --> 0:08:23.880 talked about all kinds of stuff and it was really cute. 0:08:24.480 --> 0:08:27.880 I just watched how they won't ask Alaska to do 0:08:27.920 --> 0:08:30.480 any drag race stuff because she has a podcast with Willem, 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:30.960 and that's that. 0:08:31.800 --> 0:08:34.280 Yeah, Willim is kind of off limits. I feel like 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:35.240 for them over there. 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:37.000 I know, but I would have loved to see Alaska 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:40.040 on like all Winners, all Stars, like that would have 0:08:40.040 --> 0:08:40.520 been cool. 0:08:41.000 --> 0:08:43.200 Yeah, it sucks too because it is like a little 0:08:43.240 --> 0:08:46.440 bit like drag is all about reading people and being 0:08:46.480 --> 0:08:49.079 fucking sassy and saying maybe what people don't want to 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:51.920 hear and shit. But I understand also that you're like 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:54.360 a business and when you view somebody as a liability, 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:55.720 you know, like. 0:08:55.640 --> 0:08:57.640 But William's the liability, you know what I mean. I 0:08:58.200 --> 0:09:02.760 like Alaska, but it makes me love Alaska even more 0:09:03.320 --> 0:09:08.200 knowing she's sticking by her good Judy. Yeah, yeah, I 0:09:08.240 --> 0:09:12.160 think also Alaska works. I think Alaska's That's fine. I'm 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:15.680 being selfish because I would have loved to see her 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:19.280 with the group. You know, and you saw the New 0:09:19.280 --> 0:09:23.760 Trader's monet exchange. Okay, so I did. I saw the 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:26.320 New Traders whatever. There's a comic on there, and I'm pissed. 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:28.280 There's no way it should be him and not me, 0:09:28.360 --> 0:09:29.880 And I don't care. I'm saying it right now. We're 0:09:29.880 --> 0:09:34.280 at war round functions. How dare you? How dare you? What? 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:36.480 Because your in trolls, because your controls you get to 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:37.160 go to Scotland. 0:09:37.480 --> 0:09:40.360 I'm like, so mad. He is an interesting pick. 0:09:41.080 --> 0:09:43.000 Yeah, I bet he's gonna make it far because he's 0:09:43.040 --> 0:09:46.440 like has the sweet little voice, and but maybe he'll 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:49.400 be cut through. I mean, who fucking knows. But is 0:09:49.480 --> 0:09:50.240 funny because. 0:09:50.040 --> 0:09:52.600 It's like not his real voice, like a good voice, 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:57.000 but I saw. Okay, wait, let's talk housewives that are on. 0:09:57.040 --> 0:10:01.720 Though we've got Rina Candy a Candy as I call her, Candace. 0:10:02.800 --> 0:10:04.520 Fresh off the Baby, Dorinda is back. 0:10:05.280 --> 0:10:07.720 I just think Dirinda being back, and maybe I'm too 0:10:07.720 --> 0:10:09.839 simple minded, you can tell me, because I've only watched 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:13.080 one season of Traders, the most recent one. Isn't everybody 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:14.520 just gonna assume at this time they make her a 0:10:14.559 --> 0:10:16.800 Trader like and then they voter off like pretty soon. 0:10:17.480 --> 0:10:17.840 I don't know. 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:20.480 I feel like my brain didn't even go there, so 0:10:20.920 --> 0:10:23.360 I don't know you're being even maybe I shouldn't be 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:23.760 on this show. 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:24.839 I was not thinking that at all. 0:10:24.960 --> 0:10:27.520 I thought they'd be like, oh, well they brought Dirinda back, 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:29.760 and I'm excited I would be faithful again. 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:31.840 Well I'm excited to see Donna Kelsey. 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:35.640 It's like, why this mom's person at like, you know, 0:10:35.679 --> 0:10:37.600 we've seen her be like, these are my cookies and 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:40.280 my sons. But I wonder what she's gonna be like 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:42.920 when Lisa Rena is like popping off. 0:10:43.160 --> 0:10:45.120 I've honestly seen her in still photos. 0:10:45.160 --> 0:10:49.520 I've never seen her talk, so like, I don't know 0:10:49.559 --> 0:10:51.920 what she's like at all. 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:55.360 Yeah, I'm excited. Oh Johnny Weir, Yeah, I'm like into it. 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:58.960 I'm excited to talk Johnny Wear's cool, He's in it. Yeah, yeah, 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:01.319 that'll be really fun because we need someone bringing the fashion, 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:03.079 you know what I mean. We can't have all these 0:11:03.120 --> 0:11:06.920 survivor sociopaths. We need like a couple, We need another 0:11:06.960 --> 0:11:08.240 gab but you know, like we need some. 0:11:08.240 --> 0:11:11.440 Out Yeah money, money, well will be turning looks, of course, 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:11.960 I'm sure. 0:11:12.000 --> 0:11:15.960 But yeah, oh poorsha, my face porsia. That's right. 0:11:16.240 --> 0:11:18.760 So oh Tara Lipinski and they're actually best friends, so 0:11:18.800 --> 0:11:20.680 they might be that might fuck them up. 0:11:20.920 --> 0:11:24.520 Who's best friends? Tara Lipinski and Johnny Whir? Oh they are? 0:11:24.720 --> 0:11:25.920 Are they? Okay? 0:11:26.280 --> 0:11:30.080 Yeah? Interesting? I need like a list. They just keep 0:11:30.200 --> 0:11:32.640 showing me their faces and I'm on the holiday. 0:11:32.679 --> 0:11:34.720 Well that's so funny because I only want the faces, 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:36.680 and I'm on the Hollywood Reporter looking at the names 0:11:36.720 --> 0:11:39.240 being like what the fuck, Like, I don't know who 0:11:39.280 --> 0:11:42.760 this singer songwriter is like, oh my god, Kristen Kish 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:44.680 the hottest person ever time I know. 0:11:44.760 --> 0:11:46.360 I knew you were going to be so excited when 0:11:46.400 --> 0:11:48.400 I saw her name, I was like, Liza's gonna die 0:11:48.440 --> 0:11:50.160 because I knew you were a big kish head. 0:11:50.480 --> 0:11:52.320 I'm a kish head, but also so like I was 0:11:52.320 --> 0:11:54.760 in Mexico for eight days, so I didn't watch anything. 0:11:54.760 --> 0:11:55.800 So yesterday I got back to. 0:11:55.760 --> 0:12:00.600 The hotel and I ordered food and I watched finale 0:12:00.679 --> 0:12:06.320 of Top Chef, premiere of Miami, I watch Next Gen NYC, 0:12:06.720 --> 0:12:09.520 I finished Love hotel, and I was up till five 0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:11.520 in the morning. It's sick, like I need to I 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:14.520 need help. He got back to your region and you 0:12:14.559 --> 0:12:18.079 were like, give it to me, you give me my shows. 0:12:21.600 --> 0:12:23.560 And I watched drag Race as well, but I was 0:12:23.559 --> 0:12:25.520 so desperate in Mexico. I actually watched the Pit Stop 0:12:25.559 --> 0:12:27.520 before I even watched drag Race because I was like, 0:12:27.559 --> 0:12:29.400 I need to know what is happening. 0:12:29.880 --> 0:12:33.400 I'm like, this is killing me. But okay. 0:12:33.559 --> 0:12:37.720 So also them putting on Stephen Colletti from a Laguna beach. 0:12:37.880 --> 0:12:39.960 I love that. I feel like they're trying to make 0:12:40.040 --> 0:12:40.840 him the new Dylan. 0:12:40.920 --> 0:12:43.760 But I think he's he's going to be a Dylan 0:12:44.120 --> 0:12:46.480 Sandoval hybrid, because I do kind of think Stephen Collett's 0:12:46.480 --> 0:12:46.760 a bit of a. 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:48.960 Dumb dumb No, but you know he's an actor too, 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:52.400 is he you watched No, like in the Hollywood Reporter 0:12:52.400 --> 0:12:54.080 doesn't say, look gonna be just as one Tree Hill. 0:12:54.360 --> 0:12:57.680 He had like a fastful career. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:12:57.679 --> 0:12:59.360 No, I think he's grown up. I don't think he's 0:12:59.360 --> 0:13:01.280 a sand of all. I don't think. Oh and I 0:13:01.280 --> 0:13:03.160 watched The Valley, which is a dark show, and I'd 0:13:03.160 --> 0:13:05.960 like to comment on The Valley really quickly. I've seen 0:13:06.000 --> 0:13:09.160 some people online be like, you know, like we gave 0:13:09.240 --> 0:13:12.560 so much shit to Sandoval, and Jaxon is doing so 0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:16.640 much worse to Brittany. I mean full abuse, like spying 0:13:16.679 --> 0:13:20.040 on her, like putting her house in folk foreclosures, stealing 0:13:20.080 --> 0:13:23.640 money from the pod like truly like he's a psychopath, cokehead. 0:13:24.120 --> 0:13:26.199 Why people are like why aren't we more nice to bet? 0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:27.839 Like why are we not giving him hate? And it's 0:13:27.840 --> 0:13:30.400 like cause we're not surprised by Jack's behavior. The whole 0:13:30.400 --> 0:13:34.280 point about Scandival was the shock and surprise and what 0:13:34.320 --> 0:13:37.080 the fuck is going on? Jacks has been a horrible, 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:38.640 terrible person since day one. 0:13:39.000 --> 0:13:40.959 We saw him cheat on Brittany, We. 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:44.800 Saw him brittanyel sunglasses on a cast trip. We saw 0:13:44.840 --> 0:13:47.960 Brittany have a listen to a voice recording of him 0:13:47.960 --> 0:13:50.480 like sucking Faith's toes, you know what I mean? Like, 0:13:51.080 --> 0:13:54.200 what are we doing here that We're like, why aren't 0:13:54.240 --> 0:13:55.640 we giving Britney more support? 0:13:55.679 --> 0:13:58.760 And it's like because she married the devil. Yeah, she 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:01.400 didn't marry me. I think Sandoval is the devil as well. 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:03.439 I'm just saying like it was shocking, and we were 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:05.560 on this journey with them for nine years and it 0:14:05.640 --> 0:14:08.120 was like, what the fuck. The reason we're not is 0:14:08.160 --> 0:14:12.079 because this is Yeah, it's Jack's pretending he's in rehabby 0:14:12.200 --> 0:14:15.959 is not. He's threatening the secretary, the receptionist at this 0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:19.760 place to lie for him. It's like, yeah, it's bonkers. 0:14:19.800 --> 0:14:23.320 There's a child. This isn't like ooh revenge dress and 0:14:23.360 --> 0:14:27.560 obviously Ariana went through trauma. This is like full on abuse, 0:14:27.680 --> 0:14:30.120 but like, this is who he is. No one is 0:14:30.160 --> 0:14:33.000 surprised by this. The surprising thing is she's let it 0:14:33.040 --> 0:14:36.080 go this far, and I don't want to diminish that 0:14:36.160 --> 0:14:38.840 she is abused by this manipulative man. 0:14:38.920 --> 0:14:41.440 It's not like her quote like fault. 0:14:41.680 --> 0:14:43.840 But I think that's why if you're someone that's like, 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:46.320 why is Jack's not getting the same hate as Sandoval? 0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:47.240 That is my theory. 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:50.320 Yes, it's not as surprising in any way. We all 0:14:50.400 --> 0:14:52.760 knew he was gonna do this kind of shit. And 0:14:53.680 --> 0:14:55.360 I mean I in one of my in one of 0:14:55.360 --> 0:14:58.200 my Bravo groups, like I saw somebody posts like Jack's 0:14:58.240 --> 0:15:00.800 on watch what Happens Live tonight? Don't watch, like everybody 0:15:00.880 --> 0:15:02.880 unset it from your DVRs, like, don't watch it. 0:15:03.160 --> 0:15:05.040 Let's show the network that we don't want Jacks on 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:06.200 our screens anymore. 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:08.800 Like I'm being it's like a tiny act of protest 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:10.720 and I don't know if it'll work, but like you know, 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:14.800 it's not is horrible. I mean it's crazy to me too, 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:17.080 because it's like I always think that Bravo gives people 0:15:17.160 --> 0:15:20.360 like puts people on pause or a break when they 0:15:20.400 --> 0:15:24.640 are actually getting to an abusive place, when it's women, 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:27.240 when it's a woman, like when it's like Derinda and 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:28.760 we're like, okay, we feel like the drinking's may be 0:15:28.840 --> 0:15:31.240 gone a little bit too far or it's like Vicky 0:15:31.400 --> 0:15:33.840 being a little bit too kooky anti vax or whatever. 0:15:33.880 --> 0:15:37.600 They'll like take her off, but someone like Jax can 0:15:37.680 --> 0:15:40.920 just like roam free on reality television forever. Back to 0:15:40.960 --> 0:15:46.000 the back to the casting though a little bit of traders. 0:15:46.520 --> 0:15:48.520 I do kind of like that they're going a little 0:15:48.600 --> 0:15:52.920 lighter on the competitive people, like the competition show people. Yes, 0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:54.960 you know, because I never watch Big Brother and I 0:15:54.960 --> 0:15:57.240 don't watch Survivor and stuff like that. So when they 0:15:57.280 --> 0:15:59.920 have all this like politics and they kind of talk 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:03.800 about gameplay more like I'm sort of more like there 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:05.840 for the personalities. 0:16:05.480 --> 0:16:07.000 You know, like and we need that. 0:16:07.120 --> 0:16:09.080 The thing is, we need some of the game players 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:11.480 to keep it going and fuck around and have the traders. 0:16:11.520 --> 0:16:15.040 But it's like I don't want to watch Sociopaths win. 0:16:15.280 --> 0:16:19.000 I want Derinda on my screen. Yeah, like Derinda was 0:16:19.040 --> 0:16:21.560 never a threat. But they're just thinking numbers and like 0:16:21.600 --> 0:16:24.000 we can use this later and we can't. Like four 0:16:24.040 --> 0:16:26.720 of them is enough. There's probably there still are like 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:29.200 four or five. There's like a couple, a couple survived. 0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:31.880 There's some that this one girl is amazing race Survivor 0:16:31.960 --> 0:16:36.760 and the challenge. It's like and Thenalie Island people. Natalie 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:39.320 is one of my favorite Survivor players ever. 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:40.400 Yeah she's the one. 0:16:40.560 --> 0:16:42.800 Yeah, I really really love her, so I am happy 0:16:42.840 --> 0:16:44.560 she's there. But I don't think they have like a 0:16:44.600 --> 0:16:46.920 Boston Rob. They don't have like a hated guy. I 0:16:46.960 --> 0:16:49.280 don't think from one of those, Like there's the first 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:53.600 openly gay guy to win Survivor is Yum Yum a Rocho, Aroco. 0:16:53.400 --> 0:16:55.920 Rob Sistina. I don't know, Like you're right, it's not 0:16:56.040 --> 0:16:57.160 the big names. 0:16:57.520 --> 0:17:01.840 Yeah, I know, Boston Rob was not even watching those shows, 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:02.080 you know. 0:17:02.560 --> 0:17:05.800 Yeah, he posted a cute, cute Father's Day. He has 0:17:05.840 --> 0:17:07.639 four daughters, he loves his wife. 0:17:07.680 --> 0:17:08.040 I don't know. 0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:11.239 I'm just like I don't know anybody from Love Island though, 0:17:11.240 --> 0:17:11.959 because I don't watch Love. 0:17:12.000 --> 0:17:14.840 I well, Laura, I know, because she's so beautiful, so 0:17:14.880 --> 0:17:16.480 like I remember her because. 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:19.600 I used to to She is gorgeous. So yeah, it's 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:22.520 gonna be a good one. It's gonna be a good 0:17:22.720 --> 0:17:22.919 I know. 0:17:23.000 --> 0:17:25.399 I was talking to my niece and I was like, wait, Littas, 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:26.040 you gotta make it. 0:17:26.080 --> 0:17:26.199 You know. 0:17:26.200 --> 0:17:27.720 I gave her my Max Pastor. I'm like, you gotta 0:17:27.720 --> 0:17:29.640 watch it. You would love it you love Thailand. Oh 0:17:29.640 --> 0:17:31.320 my god, you have to watch girls and like girls 0:17:31.320 --> 0:17:33.240 would be cool, like you're of the age, like watch 0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:35.480 and she goes, yeah, I don't really watch that much TV. 0:17:35.720 --> 0:17:38.280 Like back off. She's like, I ain't read books. 0:17:38.359 --> 0:17:40.520 Oh god, but I mean she's gonna be like when 0:17:40.520 --> 0:17:43.199 you showed her, uh Devil wears Prada and she was like, 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:47.199 why is he not stopping? No, but I exaggerated that. 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:49.040 She's like, we had a great time. I mean we 0:17:49.080 --> 0:17:51.800 had so much fun. I missed the food in Mexico already, 0:17:52.520 --> 0:17:54.360 Like the food was so fresh, so good. 0:17:54.400 --> 0:17:56.359 I actually didn't even neat that much Mexican food. 0:17:56.400 --> 0:17:58.560 Like the best tuna salad I've ever had in my 0:17:58.600 --> 0:18:02.080 fucking life was in Mexico. Damn, I feel like we're 0:18:02.119 --> 0:18:03.680 losing you. You're gonna head down there? 0:18:04.200 --> 0:18:04.600 I am. 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:07.160 I mean honestly, I could probably like if I never 0:18:07.359 --> 0:18:08.760 I mean, I just love comedy so much in New 0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:12.080 York and I love my life. But yeah, but like, yeah, 0:18:12.119 --> 0:18:15.280 it is. It's weird. Yeah, things are more affordable. They're 0:18:15.280 --> 0:18:18.359 obviously the exchange rate, and so you are living like 0:18:18.720 --> 0:18:23.199 at a Toma Hawk's steak for meal, Like yeah, on 0:18:23.240 --> 0:18:25.840 the water I had Margarita's the size of my head. 0:18:26.160 --> 0:18:29.639 I mean, yeah, it was it was just nice to 0:18:29.640 --> 0:18:31.720 get away, be with my family, chill. 0:18:32.520 --> 0:18:34.320 I don't know, it was really nice. I don't really 0:18:34.320 --> 0:18:37.199 take vacations. That's really nice. I'm glad you got some 0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:38.320 time to recharge. 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:38.639 Well. 0:18:38.720 --> 0:18:40.040 At first, I was like, I was like, what are 0:18:40.040 --> 0:18:40.919 we gonna do? What are we gonna do? 0:18:40.920 --> 0:18:43.600 And then I was like, oh, just just you could 0:18:43.640 --> 0:18:48.359 just sit down and yeah, hang out and gossip and 0:18:48.560 --> 0:18:54.080 you know, chat with my niece. But yeah, please come 0:18:54.160 --> 0:18:57.600 see me. Oh yeah, this isn't it. Yeah, come see me, guys. 0:18:58.200 --> 0:19:01.280 This comes out the twenty fourth. So what's coming Australia. 0:19:02.400 --> 0:19:04.560 Oh yeah, in the fall. I have dates like I'm 0:19:04.600 --> 0:19:07.200 going to Texas and Missouri and I'm gonna like book 0:19:07.240 --> 0:19:08.120 some more stuff out. 0:19:08.240 --> 0:19:11.600 But but all of our ausy listeners get down there. 0:19:11.880 --> 0:19:13.080 You're already down there. 0:19:13.080 --> 0:19:16.239 Get out there and get tickets, Cosey Lisa. Yeah, I'm 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:18.640 excited to be in Australia. It's gonna be a wild schedule, 0:19:19.320 --> 0:19:23.399 so many fights. Yeah, and I also it's also so funny. 0:19:23.400 --> 0:19:25.560 It's like I obviously live my life. I like, am 0:19:25.600 --> 0:19:28.159 so mature. And then I get back to my family, 0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:30.520 and I'm like, wait, leave the name of the coffee shop. 0:19:30.520 --> 0:19:32.760 I don't know if I can find it. And it's like, what. 0:19:32.800 --> 0:19:35.440 Are you doing? No, I regress. 0:19:35.720 --> 0:19:37.359 My friend was telling me so much about how she 0:19:37.400 --> 0:19:39.919 regresses whenever she goes home to her family. She's an 0:19:39.960 --> 0:19:42.200 only child, and she's just like, when I go home, 0:19:42.320 --> 0:19:42.800 I'm like. 0:19:44.040 --> 0:19:45.480 A guys making me anything to eat. 0:19:45.560 --> 0:19:47.760 Like she's just like such a bit, like she says, 0:19:47.800 --> 0:19:49.639 she does the exact same thing, like I'm like. 0:19:49.640 --> 0:19:50.679 Wait, which one do I do? 0:19:50.760 --> 0:19:50.960 Wait? 0:19:51.000 --> 0:19:52.600 Which button for the laundry? 0:19:52.720 --> 0:19:55.480 And it's like I've lived a full life, Like what 0:19:55.520 --> 0:19:57.639 the fuck is going I travel the world? 0:19:57.880 --> 0:19:59.600 And then I'm like what terminal? 0:20:00.240 --> 0:20:02.440 I know? But at the same time, I bet your 0:20:02.480 --> 0:20:03.720 parents like it a little bit. 0:20:03.880 --> 0:20:06.160 I like bet, I bet they like a little bit going. 0:20:06.280 --> 0:20:08.680 She still needs us, she still needs mom and dad. 0:20:08.800 --> 0:20:09.560 I bet they like it. 0:20:10.320 --> 0:20:14.520 Yeah, it was. It was a nice hanging out. I mean, yeah, 0:20:14.560 --> 0:20:15.480 it's fucking cute. 0:20:15.520 --> 0:20:18.800 Well really quick though. But from the pre regression conversation. 0:20:19.040 --> 0:20:20.760 Go to That's Messed Up live dot com. You can 0:20:20.840 --> 0:20:23.320 scroll down towards as Liza's websites. She has all of 0:20:23.320 --> 0:20:26.840 her Australia and New Zealand dates are there like separately, 0:20:27.119 --> 0:20:30.040 and that's the correct stuff. Sometimes don't google shit because 0:20:30.080 --> 0:20:32.639 it comes up like fake ticket sites or whatever. I 0:20:32.640 --> 0:20:34.240 don't know if Australia is as bad as here, but 0:20:34.640 --> 0:20:37.000 go there, get all of the info, get your tics, 0:20:37.040 --> 0:20:37.720 spread the word. 0:20:38.840 --> 0:20:40.760 I swear I had real life to talk about too. 0:20:40.840 --> 0:20:43.160 I feel so boring, like Mexico is nice. I had 0:20:43.160 --> 0:20:45.879 tuna salad and then I watched six episodes of television. 0:20:45.880 --> 0:20:49.679 When I get back to America, what that's okay? 0:20:49.800 --> 0:20:51.560 I fell and broke my ass bhone. I don't have 0:20:51.600 --> 0:20:52.560 that much more to report. 0:20:52.720 --> 0:20:56.200 Oh, I will say this. I can't wait to see 0:20:56.200 --> 0:21:01.679 the footage of ice in Philly. Philly, do your fucking thing. Yeah, Philly, 0:21:02.160 --> 0:21:02.720 do your thing. 0:21:02.800 --> 0:21:06.800 We're talking about a fucking city that greases the lamppost 0:21:06.880 --> 0:21:07.959 so that people can't climb them. 0:21:08.000 --> 0:21:10.760 After the Super Bowl. No, they didn't want you guys alive. 0:21:10.840 --> 0:21:14.879 It's like the mayor every two months. Please please don't 0:21:14.880 --> 0:21:17.680 climb anything. But I had so much fun in Philly. 0:21:17.680 --> 0:21:19.920 Everyone is, oh my god, wait, so I was performing 0:21:19.920 --> 0:21:21.600 in Philly. This has never happened to me ever in 0:21:21.640 --> 0:21:24.399 my life. I forgot truly where I was, and I 0:21:24.400 --> 0:21:26.240 thought I was in Boston, and I started talking about 0:21:26.240 --> 0:21:29.200 the Celtics, and then everyone booed because obviously I'm talking 0:21:29.200 --> 0:21:29.840 about the Celtics. 0:21:29.840 --> 0:21:32.280 And then I go where am I? 0:21:32.320 --> 0:21:34.639 And I had to look around, and I swear it 0:21:34.680 --> 0:21:37.440 took me like ten fifteen seconds to realize I was 0:21:37.480 --> 0:21:37.919 in Balley. 0:21:38.200 --> 0:21:40.640 So funny. I could see that happening. You're all over 0:21:40.680 --> 0:21:41.040 the place. 0:21:41.119 --> 0:21:42.919 And then I talked for a few more minutes and 0:21:42.960 --> 0:21:44.280 like did call and then I went, oh my god, 0:21:44.280 --> 0:21:48.040 you're the seventy six ers of course, Allen Iverson. And 0:21:48.080 --> 0:21:50.159 then you know, I mentioned to kem Bain Matumbo and 0:21:50.160 --> 0:21:52.240 I got them back. But like it was this thing 0:21:52.320 --> 0:21:57.520 where I truly forgot where I was. I could not 0:21:57.600 --> 0:21:58.520 believe it. So funny. 0:21:58.600 --> 0:22:01.720 You're like, am I in New York's little brother to 0:22:01.760 --> 0:22:03.520 the North or New York's little brother to the South, 0:22:03.680 --> 0:22:06.880 Like where am i? And you know our favorite woman 0:22:06.920 --> 0:22:09.600 that works at the Philly punchline yes cue. 0:22:09.920 --> 0:22:13.119 So she makes them like fans, like you know, like 0:22:13.200 --> 0:22:16.040 drag Race, Oh yeah, fans, And so she gifted me 0:22:16.280 --> 0:22:19.760 and the other Opener Comics fans that she made, but 0:22:19.880 --> 0:22:23.520 the fan that she made me says, not like us. Okay, 0:22:24.040 --> 0:22:26.959 I can't take that into poppeah. Yeah yeah. 0:22:27.000 --> 0:22:28.640 So I was like, thank you so much and thanks 0:22:28.680 --> 0:22:31.320 for your artistry. But I can't. I think I have 0:22:31.359 --> 0:22:35.080 to give this to somebody. Yeah, yeah, I have them, 0:22:35.119 --> 0:22:35.919 not like us. 0:22:36.480 --> 0:22:39.000 Fan Have I said this already because I was, I 0:22:39.119 --> 0:22:40.439 was talking to you after Philly? 0:22:40.600 --> 0:22:43.159 Whatever? No, I mean, who knows? You don't even know 0:22:43.160 --> 0:22:45.200 what city you Ryan? Who? Who knows? 0:22:45.359 --> 0:22:47.280 I mean again, I don't want to get in trouble 0:22:47.320 --> 0:22:49.720 for forgetting something like the trading cards. 0:22:49.720 --> 0:22:51.359 But I don't think you've told me this before. 0:22:53.960 --> 0:22:55.720 Also, I did talk about my broken ass on a 0:22:55.720 --> 0:22:57.600 different podcast, if you guys want to, If you guys 0:22:57.680 --> 0:22:59.880 want Oh, actually, can I do give a little shout 0:22:59.880 --> 0:23:02.199 out my other podcast that I do that's like an 0:23:02.200 --> 0:23:05.560 advice podcast with Jackie Zebrowski called Who's the Bitch. We're 0:23:05.640 --> 0:23:09.840 actually in two days, the twenty sixth of June, having 0:23:09.880 --> 0:23:14.600 a big three hour live call in show where we 0:23:14.800 --> 0:23:18.240 are going to talk to guests and we're gonna answer 0:23:18.280 --> 0:23:20.800 a ton of call in questions and it's all gonna 0:23:20.800 --> 0:23:23.520 be on our YouTube channel, which is YouTube dot com. 0:23:23.560 --> 0:23:27.520 Forward Slash the at symbol. Who's the bee? So check 0:23:27.560 --> 0:23:29.280 that out. That's the thing I'm got going on. I 0:23:29.280 --> 0:23:32.000 can't believe you've become a YouTuber. This is kind of thrilling, 0:23:32.080 --> 0:23:34.920 isn't that crazy? Yeah, they're like, we used to do 0:23:34.960 --> 0:23:36.679 all this shit on Twitch and now we're moving it 0:23:36.720 --> 0:23:38.439 all over to YouTube because they have a lot of 0:23:38.440 --> 0:23:40.800 the same functionality and everything's got to be on YouTube. 0:23:40.920 --> 0:23:43.200 People are listening to podcasts on YouTube. We should actually 0:23:43.240 --> 0:23:45.520 put our episodes on YouTube. I guess they might be there. 0:23:45.560 --> 0:23:49.520 Who knows, anyone, Casey, if you have a second, could 0:23:49.520 --> 0:23:51.919 you just upload two hundred and forty episodes to YouTube 0:23:51.920 --> 0:23:52.560 when you have a chance. 0:23:52.600 --> 0:23:58.520 Thanks, thank you, thank you so much. But yeah, let's 0:23:58.640 --> 0:24:00.520 kick off. We've got this. We're going back. 0:24:00.560 --> 0:24:02.639 We're going back to the beginning, back to basics for 0:24:02.680 --> 0:24:03.320 this episode. 0:24:03.480 --> 0:24:11.959 So don't go anywhere, all right. We are doing a nocturn. 0:24:12.440 --> 0:24:14.040 Is that a word or not? What is this? 0:24:14.320 --> 0:24:15.800 It isn nock turn. 0:24:15.880 --> 0:24:18.880 I mean a nocturn is like probably French or natural 0:24:19.040 --> 0:24:20.080 thing for nocturnal. 0:24:21.000 --> 0:24:25.920 But I also think that it's they're being really artsy 0:24:26.000 --> 0:24:27.800 season one, real artsy with this. 0:24:28.040 --> 0:24:33.520 Through my googling, nocturn is actually a Chopin piece, and 0:24:33.560 --> 0:24:37.000 that makes sense with the piano themes of the is it? 0:24:37.040 --> 0:24:41.359 What's the Chopin about? I wonder, I don't. Is it 0:24:41.400 --> 0:24:46.240 about sex crimes? Well, it's called the Nocturns Op. Nine 0:24:46.320 --> 0:24:49.240 and they are a set of three nocturns for piano. 0:24:49.760 --> 0:24:52.439 So what is a nocturn pio? It is a musical 0:24:52.480 --> 0:24:58.080 composition that is inspired by or evocative of the night. Okay, 0:24:58.240 --> 0:25:01.920 any kind of not turn that is the kind of piece. 0:25:01.920 --> 0:25:05.040 And then there's a famous one by Chopin were wolf vibes, 0:25:05.880 --> 0:25:11.040 Yes of the night, the music of the note. So 0:25:11.640 --> 0:25:14.720 I'm staying, you know, here in Mexico, and I swear 0:25:14.880 --> 0:25:16.560 it was haunted. And I kept telling my family, I'm like, 0:25:16.640 --> 0:25:19.080 there's ghosts. There's ghosts. I hear them, I feel them. 0:25:19.080 --> 0:25:23.560 There's ghosts. It's just lizards. It's just the lizards communicating 0:25:23.640 --> 0:25:24.520 to each other at night. 0:25:24.680 --> 0:25:27.000 But no one gave me a headset of little lizards. 0:25:27.080 --> 0:25:29.280 Oh my god, that's so funny. Yeah, they just started. 0:25:29.720 --> 0:25:33.560 They're like, it's the lizards, So no ghosts here? All right, 0:25:33.600 --> 0:25:37.439 Well we'll begin this piano of it all. And you 0:25:37.480 --> 0:25:39.439 did not play or you did play piano I know 0:25:39.480 --> 0:25:41.520 I did play piano my entire family. 0:25:41.680 --> 0:25:44.439 Basically, my mom's a huge pianist and her family plays, 0:25:44.480 --> 0:25:46.800 and she wanted all of us kids to play. And 0:25:46.920 --> 0:25:49.240 I took lessons for a few years and then begged 0:25:49.280 --> 0:25:50.919 to quit. And now I really regret it, Like I 0:25:50.920 --> 0:25:52.880 really wish I knew how to play, and I thought 0:25:52.880 --> 0:25:55.320 about taking lessons as an adult, but I just would 0:25:55.359 --> 0:25:57.520 have to get a keyboard to practice and this and that. 0:25:57.640 --> 0:26:00.119 But my brother is an excellent pianist, his husband and 0:26:00.200 --> 0:26:03.960 plays piano. My sister, like everybody played for a while. 0:26:04.720 --> 0:26:05.080 Damn. 0:26:05.480 --> 0:26:07.960 All right, Yeah, it's a cool one, all right. So 0:26:08.080 --> 0:26:10.560 photos are being printed at a store. Okay, so we 0:26:10.560 --> 0:26:15.200 could tell this very season one, Very two thousand's we're 0:26:15.240 --> 0:26:16.840 at a fucking Kodak stand. 0:26:17.040 --> 0:26:19.320 So this is like where my friends worked in high school. 0:26:19.320 --> 0:26:21.720 My friends worked at the photo place in our town, 0:26:21.760 --> 0:26:23.159 and all my breaks, I would go see them and 0:26:23.200 --> 0:26:25.360 they'd make me doubles of all of our photos from 0:26:25.359 --> 0:26:26.920 the weekend for free. 0:26:27.000 --> 0:26:30.439 That's a cool time to have. And it's like gone 0:26:30.960 --> 0:26:32.679 that whole thing, like no one prints photos. 0:26:32.720 --> 0:26:33.120 It was fun. 0:26:33.119 --> 0:26:36.240 I also like the smell of the film canisters, Like 0:26:36.720 --> 0:26:40.680 I just enjoyed the whole process of it. But anyways, look, yeah, 0:26:40.720 --> 0:26:42.800 the photos they're of a young boy. He's in a 0:26:42.800 --> 0:26:45.280 white tank top. We don't love it. His shirt's off 0:26:45.320 --> 0:26:47.640 and then uh oh, his pants are off. So we're 0:26:47.640 --> 0:26:50.480 flipping through these photos of this young boy as less 0:26:50.480 --> 0:26:53.320 and less clothes are on him. Benson and Stabler, they're 0:26:53.359 --> 0:26:56.119 their stat The clerk says, the guy dropped them off 0:26:56.160 --> 0:26:58.960 about forty five minutes ago. So someone's springing for one 0:26:58.960 --> 0:27:01.360 hour photo, which is a crazier thing to do because 0:27:01.359 --> 0:27:02.920 they have to do it in store, so everyone's gonna 0:27:02.960 --> 0:27:04.200 see your perverted stuff. 0:27:04.280 --> 0:27:06.439 You know what I mean, insane. 0:27:05.680 --> 0:27:08.399 If you're gonna take photos of something perverted, I'm sorry, 0:27:08.400 --> 0:27:10.720 but you have to like have a friend that works 0:27:10.720 --> 0:27:13.840 at the photomart or you need to get your own dorkroom. 0:27:14.080 --> 0:27:16.560 Well, if they ship them out to the photo center, 0:27:16.600 --> 0:27:19.040 it's a little different, but here it's like they're printing 0:27:19.119 --> 0:27:20.919 right in like we know you, like, what are you? 0:27:21.080 --> 0:27:24.159 I don't not to like help you help out. 0:27:24.160 --> 0:27:25.920 If they ship out to the photo center, that's also 0:27:25.960 --> 0:27:28.439 pornography across the state lines and stuff like that. You know, 0:27:28.600 --> 0:27:30.200 Like I don't know, I think that this guy was 0:27:30.200 --> 0:27:32.480 trying to get it done as quick as possible and 0:27:32.560 --> 0:27:33.879 in his area. 0:27:34.000 --> 0:27:34.399 I don't know. 0:27:34.480 --> 0:27:36.840 Yeah, so his name's Larry Holt. He had a coupon 0:27:37.160 --> 0:27:42.840 humiliating and the dude whatever the photo guys like, I 0:27:42.880 --> 0:27:43.399 didn't like it. 0:27:43.440 --> 0:27:45.000 I knew to call it in like I knew. 0:27:45.080 --> 0:27:48.400 Immediately, Sailor agrees and goes, yeah, these poses are fucked. 0:27:48.440 --> 0:27:51.159 Someone is posing this boy And Benson sees a bottle 0:27:51.160 --> 0:27:53.240 of booze in the picture too, and she goes, uh, oh, 0:27:53.359 --> 0:27:55.720 not booze. And then it's gonna be hard to prove 0:27:55.800 --> 0:27:58.399 child's porn. But this could also be the tip of 0:27:58.400 --> 0:28:01.480 the iceberg. And but also if this guy gets a 0:28:01.520 --> 0:28:03.600 wind that the detectives are onto him, he might clean 0:28:03.640 --> 0:28:06.520 everything up. So they're gonna tail him for a few weeks, 0:28:06.560 --> 0:28:09.480 see what's up. But then he walks in just then, 0:28:10.200 --> 0:28:13.560 and you know, we can't expect the photo work guy 0:28:13.600 --> 0:28:16.080 to be an incredible actor and act like nothing's wrong. 0:28:16.200 --> 0:28:19.639 So he knows what's up. He's like, what's up. There's 0:28:19.640 --> 0:28:22.040 a badge, there's an arrest. We are in a press 0:28:22.720 --> 0:28:24.960 and this guy looks like a puppet of an old man, 0:28:25.440 --> 0:28:27.919 like he would be in mister Rogers little Castle like, 0:28:28.000 --> 0:28:31.359 he's not a pulse man, so he's in holding. And 0:28:31.400 --> 0:28:34.320 then his lawyer is the like editor and she like 0:28:34.400 --> 0:28:37.119 above and a wind tour in the Devil Wars Prada. 0:28:37.280 --> 0:28:39.520 Oh so if you guys remember the owner of their 0:28:39.600 --> 0:28:42.880 like version of Condonast, it's him, right, and he's been 0:28:42.920 --> 0:28:45.280 in a few episodes. And then behind the spy victim 0:28:45.840 --> 0:28:50.760 the victim okay, new blurb. So behind the spy window 0:28:50.920 --> 0:28:54.800 is our detectives and Cragan, who knows there's not enough evidence, 0:28:55.200 --> 0:28:57.200 and the detectives go, yeah, no, we know, but we 0:28:57.200 --> 0:28:59.400 didn't have a choice. The motherfucker walked in like we 0:28:59.520 --> 0:29:02.240 what are we gonna do? Stabler keeps pleading with Craigan, 0:29:02.360 --> 0:29:04.160 like we need to do something, and then Craigan has 0:29:04.280 --> 0:29:08.160 wild excuses why they can't. So Stabler goes, hello, who 0:29:08.200 --> 0:29:11.080 wears hotpants in the winter, and then Craigan goes, maybe 0:29:11.120 --> 0:29:12.400 the kid had a growth spurt? 0:29:13.640 --> 0:29:15.200 What are you talking about? 0:29:16.800 --> 0:29:20.120 And so it's back and forth and they're like, you know, 0:29:20.200 --> 0:29:23.320 these poses are taught. And then there's some other man 0:29:23.360 --> 0:29:25.840 in a suit that arrives. I'll get into him later. 0:29:26.280 --> 0:29:27.760 Right now, I'm like, I'm not learning it. I go, 0:29:27.800 --> 0:29:30.440 who are you, sir? But they explained to him that 0:29:30.480 --> 0:29:32.840 Holts is a piano teacher and this is his student, 0:29:33.600 --> 0:29:35.800 which is not good, and that means there's a lot 0:29:35.800 --> 0:29:38.280 of other students that probably take lessons from this man. 0:29:38.760 --> 0:29:42.360 And also like if there's photos, that means there's more photos, 0:29:42.440 --> 0:29:45.240 YadA YadA. We know how this fucking works. And he 0:29:45.280 --> 0:29:47.280 looks like a pervert, and so we need a warrant 0:29:47.320 --> 0:29:49.840 to get in there and find them. So then the 0:29:49.880 --> 0:29:51.479 man in the suit, like I said, I'll get to him. 0:29:51.680 --> 0:29:54.680 It's eighty A Mark Hickey and the actor's name is 0:29:54.760 --> 0:29:58.800 John Benjamin Hickey. So that's insane, and he's very famous. 0:29:58.880 --> 0:30:01.040 You know him, you've seen his He was also in 0:30:01.120 --> 0:30:04.520 season fifteen Wednesday's Child, and. 0:30:04.440 --> 0:30:06.240 Then he's in Sex in the City. 0:30:06.560 --> 0:30:10.400 He's in season one and it's when Miranda's having sex 0:30:10.400 --> 0:30:13.560 with a guy who has to shower. He's like a Catholic, right, 0:30:13.560 --> 0:30:18.160 he can't stop showering. I remember that guy, So it's him, 0:30:18.720 --> 0:30:20.880 and he knows that a judge is gonna throw this 0:30:21.000 --> 0:30:23.440 case out. And then the Devil wears Prada marches up 0:30:23.960 --> 0:30:26.600 and he's like, I'm taking my Oh. He goes, you 0:30:26.680 --> 0:30:29.920 took my clients wallet and keys, and Craigan goes, oh, 0:30:30.040 --> 0:30:32.840 that's totally normal though, and the Devil Wars product goes, 0:30:32.880 --> 0:30:35.480 I want him back, and he wants to go back home. 0:30:35.520 --> 0:30:37.800 He needs to feed his dog. They're trying to fight. Well, 0:30:37.800 --> 0:30:40.880 he can't go he might destroy evidence. Like it's a 0:30:40.920 --> 0:30:43.000 real tug of war of what we're gonna do. And 0:30:43.040 --> 0:30:45.680 then they send the Devil Wears prod on a goose chase. 0:30:45.720 --> 0:30:49.760 They go, oh, yeah, they sent his stuff to like, 0:30:50.200 --> 0:30:52.400 I don't know, a holding place. And then when he 0:30:52.440 --> 0:30:56.360 goes to like to find the items in the holding place, 0:30:56.600 --> 0:30:59.160 Benson shows that the envelope of all his stuff is 0:30:59.200 --> 0:31:01.600 in her desk and I guess things are just gonna 0:31:01.640 --> 0:31:04.920 move slower than they have to. So that's kind of exciting. 0:31:05.840 --> 0:31:07.840 But yeah, they don't want him to go home. He's 0:31:07.880 --> 0:31:10.200 going to destroy evidence. So now there's a unique cop 0:31:11.040 --> 0:31:13.360 until they get a warrant. But to get a warrant, 0:31:13.400 --> 0:31:16.280 they need more evidence. It's like, we know how those works. 0:31:16.600 --> 0:31:19.040 And there's a unique cop stopping a man from entering 0:31:19.040 --> 0:31:21.080 his home and Benson and Stabler approach and he goes, 0:31:21.120 --> 0:31:24.680 this is my father's house what's going on. But they 0:31:24.680 --> 0:31:26.840 don't have a warrant and so they can't get in, 0:31:26.920 --> 0:31:29.120 but they want to keep people out, so they're like, okay, 0:31:29.120 --> 0:31:31.800 we're locking down the house whether you like it or not, 0:31:32.240 --> 0:31:34.080 which I didn't know the cops can do. But now 0:31:34.120 --> 0:31:36.800 we're living in a world where people can do anything 0:31:36.880 --> 0:31:41.160 they want. Badge, no badge, honestly whatever needs to happen. 0:31:44.480 --> 0:31:47.000 So then the soun's like, all right, bye, I'll walk away, 0:31:47.080 --> 0:31:50.520 and so the sun kind of leaves. This is all 0:31:50.600 --> 0:31:53.200 kind of strange to me, but I'll take it. And 0:31:53.400 --> 0:31:57.160 it's a very big, nice place, and I can't believe 0:31:57.160 --> 0:31:59.440 this piano teacher is such a big house. But we 0:31:59.520 --> 0:32:02.880 realize it's not a fancy neighborhood. So this old white 0:32:02.960 --> 0:32:08.680 guy moved into like a neighborhood that the other population 0:32:08.840 --> 0:32:11.880 is not like him, and so but he can afford 0:32:11.880 --> 0:32:12.480 a bigger house. 0:32:12.480 --> 0:32:12.920 Who knows. 0:32:13.200 --> 0:32:14.920 So they keep chatting about it, and then they go, well, 0:32:14.920 --> 0:32:17.160 it's also not a fucking accident. This giant ass house 0:32:17.200 --> 0:32:19.840 is across the street from an elementary school. So he 0:32:19.880 --> 0:32:23.360 has like a mansion of brownstone across the street from 0:32:23.360 --> 0:32:26.040 an elementary school. And at that moment, a little boy 0:32:26.040 --> 0:32:28.080 comes running to the house. They stop him and he goes, 0:32:28.120 --> 0:32:30.880 I have piano lessons, and guess what, it's the fucking 0:32:30.920 --> 0:32:31.760 boy from the photo. 0:32:31.880 --> 0:32:34.760 So they're holding like how what what luck? What luck? 0:32:35.240 --> 0:32:35.760 What luck? 0:32:36.440 --> 0:32:38.720 And for the whole episode, I want you guys to 0:32:38.760 --> 0:32:41.680 know that it's winter and anytime they walk outside you 0:32:41.720 --> 0:32:46.680 can hear the crispy snow and it's awesome. You really 0:32:46.720 --> 0:32:49.120 don't hear or see snow as much, I would say 0:32:49.160 --> 0:32:50.640 in SVU anymore. 0:32:50.760 --> 0:32:52.840 And it was exciting. It was exciting. 0:32:53.080 --> 0:32:55.280 Oh, probably global warming because I'm like, there is, yeah, winter, 0:32:55.440 --> 0:32:57.920 but yeah, there's less snow on the ground. And so 0:32:59.320 --> 0:33:01.240 you know, we got a ask the dad for questions. 0:33:01.240 --> 0:33:04.480 We got to figure things out. The little boy did 0:33:04.520 --> 0:33:06.880 find the photos once, that's what they learned, and the 0:33:06.960 --> 0:33:11.840 man called them snappies. He basically went into the music 0:33:11.880 --> 0:33:14.640 books the music stand and a bunch of the photos 0:33:14.760 --> 0:33:16.600 fell out and it was kids with no clothing on, 0:33:17.080 --> 0:33:18.640 and it's late at night. But they have to get 0:33:18.680 --> 0:33:21.160 in there tonight or something happens. They have two more 0:33:21.200 --> 0:33:23.360 hours to get in there or they can never get 0:33:23.360 --> 0:33:27.360 in there again. Whatever funky little rules they're coming up with, 0:33:27.440 --> 0:33:30.200 and breaking, and so Benson, Munch and Jeffreys are like 0:33:30.280 --> 0:33:33.320 so ready to go in and finally they're like, we 0:33:33.360 --> 0:33:35.800 got it, so they get to get in there. It's 0:33:35.800 --> 0:33:40.200 painted for children, it's big plastic creans old vintage furniture, 0:33:40.640 --> 0:33:43.280 a giant box of musical books, which does make sense, 0:33:43.360 --> 0:33:45.960 and then oh, an album of shirtless boys what does 0:33:46.040 --> 0:33:49.040 not belong? And Munch is looking and opens a door 0:33:49.160 --> 0:33:52.920 and there are so many tapes like and a TV 0:33:53.240 --> 0:33:57.360 is glowing blue. They press play and we hear a 0:33:57.400 --> 0:33:59.920 boy saying please, don't it hurts, and the man goes 0:34:00.120 --> 0:34:03.280 it's okay, and it's his photo room, tons and tapes 0:34:03.320 --> 0:34:06.000 like I would say, hundreds hundreds. Benson is so upset, 0:34:06.080 --> 0:34:08.640 she's so grossed out. And now we're in court and 0:34:08.680 --> 0:34:11.600 we have forty three photos that are obscene and he 0:34:11.640 --> 0:34:14.080 gets charged with the endangering the welfare of a child, 0:34:14.320 --> 0:34:17.040 the use of a child in sexual performance, and then 0:34:17.080 --> 0:34:20.960 promoting an an obscene sexual performance by a child. And 0:34:21.000 --> 0:34:23.400 then it's one hundred and fifty seven tapes and the 0:34:23.520 --> 0:34:28.160 judge is gobsmacked, bail denied, go to jail, pervert. So 0:34:28.200 --> 0:34:29.600 now they have to watch all the tapes. So we 0:34:29.640 --> 0:34:32.479 have Munch, Benson Craigan and Jeffries and this goes back 0:34:32.600 --> 0:34:36.479 thirteen years, so they have to go through thirteen years 0:34:36.520 --> 0:34:39.839 of video and he's holding little boy's shoulders, sitting next 0:34:39.920 --> 0:34:43.400 to them. He's playing. The boy's saying no. And then 0:34:43.840 --> 0:34:46.400 we watch a few videos and it's the same boy 0:34:46.840 --> 0:34:49.520 growing like in all of these videos, so we see 0:34:49.600 --> 0:34:52.080 him as like a tiny child, a bigger child, and 0:34:52.120 --> 0:34:54.400 then like truly a teen. And so now he's a 0:34:54.440 --> 0:34:58.520 grown teen and we hear the man go please don't 0:34:58.960 --> 0:35:03.160 and the tea talking about discipline and technique because nothing 0:35:03.200 --> 0:35:06.120 gets you to play the piano better than assault. Like 0:35:06.200 --> 0:35:10.360 what is happening? I mean, I guess Joe Jackson. But anyways, 0:35:10.680 --> 0:35:14.080 the guy is fully grown. He's playing incredible piano. It's 0:35:14.120 --> 0:35:18.360 really good piano, and he looks weird. Sorry he's in 0:35:18.440 --> 0:35:20.960 a bow, but he acts like he's also been abused 0:35:20.960 --> 0:35:22.400 for a long time, so I guess. 0:35:22.160 --> 0:35:23.240 Weird is a rude word. 0:35:23.320 --> 0:35:27.279 But like he's strange, and they're really upset that they 0:35:27.360 --> 0:35:29.759 have to watch it all and they have so much 0:35:29.800 --> 0:35:32.320 more to do, and Belzer's like, you know what, I'll stay, 0:35:32.520 --> 0:35:35.320 I'll do it, and they're chatting about all the charges, 0:35:35.400 --> 0:35:38.680 but stablers like, no, I want a charge of abuse, 0:35:39.080 --> 0:35:42.120 but they can't do that without a complainant, and Craigan goes, 0:35:42.160 --> 0:35:44.920 we need to get that kid. So we pause it 0:35:45.000 --> 0:35:46.799 and it's the boy that we just watched grow up 0:35:46.880 --> 0:35:49.080 and we need to go find him. They have his 0:35:49.120 --> 0:35:51.640 photos and they're going to scan the neighborhood and ask around. 0:35:52.000 --> 0:35:54.719 And everyone in the neighborhood loves Larry. They think he's 0:35:54.760 --> 0:35:57.759 a little fruity, but hey, and Jeffries is with a 0:35:57.840 --> 0:36:00.120 video clerk and he's like, Larry is the best guy 0:36:00.200 --> 0:36:02.360 I know. And it's like, what do you what do 0:36:02.360 --> 0:36:04.320 you know ten guys that come to the video store, 0:36:04.400 --> 0:36:06.520 Like this man is a creep from the moment you 0:36:06.560 --> 0:36:09.560 watch his little eyes. The video clerks kids take lessons 0:36:09.560 --> 0:36:11.799 from Larry. He's like, you know, he's strict, but the 0:36:11.880 --> 0:36:14.439 kids love him. Everyone loves Larry. And then they bring 0:36:14.520 --> 0:36:17.560 up Ray Guzamando and we're gonna hear a lot about 0:36:17.600 --> 0:36:22.839 Ray Guzamandoo. And basically there's a post ter him at 0:36:22.880 --> 0:36:25.200 the store and he's like a local hero. He's a 0:36:25.239 --> 0:36:29.040 hot shot piano player. He's wearing a suit. It's or 0:36:29.080 --> 0:36:30.799 not a suit of text, like a bow tie, like 0:36:30.840 --> 0:36:35.879 a real classical pianist, and so he's like Larry sees 0:36:35.960 --> 0:36:38.200 the best in kids and brings the most out in them. 0:36:38.560 --> 0:36:41.080 The video clerk says he makes a difference in people's 0:36:41.120 --> 0:36:44.640 lives and does more for them than you ever will, 0:36:44.680 --> 0:36:47.040 and like for most cops, I would say that, but 0:36:47.400 --> 0:36:50.680 definitely not our detectives. Yeah, they're gonna make a lot 0:36:50.719 --> 0:36:55.120 of difference for actually doing a lot. Yeah sorry, one 0:36:55.120 --> 0:36:58.279 guy made it a professional piano player. But even in 0:36:58.360 --> 0:37:01.280 season one, I think they've put a few criminals behind 0:37:01.280 --> 0:37:06.239 bars that deserved it. So Jeffrees, Benson and Stabler are 0:37:06.280 --> 0:37:09.879 walking and you know, I've wrote about the snow crunch here, 0:37:10.040 --> 0:37:13.279 like I truly, I wrote about it so much. And 0:37:13.360 --> 0:37:16.000 they think people knew. They're like they think people knew. 0:37:16.000 --> 0:37:19.040 They're just pretending that they don't, because like then they 0:37:19.040 --> 0:37:21.360 would have to question their own parenting and what they're 0:37:21.360 --> 0:37:24.279 doing to protect their children or not. Benson goes, why 0:37:24.280 --> 0:37:26.800 would anyone even want to have kids? Like it's crazy, 0:37:26.880 --> 0:37:29.040 and then Stabler says, because you want to do that 0:37:29.160 --> 0:37:31.920 more than anything in the world. And I really like 0:37:32.040 --> 0:37:34.879 that where it's like, yeah, if you want it more 0:37:34.920 --> 0:37:36.960 than anything in the world, you should have a kid. 0:37:37.480 --> 0:37:40.839 And if it's not that feeling, I don't think you should. Yeah, 0:37:41.000 --> 0:37:43.759 if you're on the fence, don't do it. And we've 0:37:43.760 --> 0:37:47.239 never seen Stabler this measured and understanding of parenthood where 0:37:47.280 --> 0:37:49.400 it's like he wanted to be a father more than 0:37:49.440 --> 0:37:51.480 anything in the world, and he made that happen for 0:37:51.560 --> 0:37:54.319 himself with you know, Kathy, who he keeps trapped in 0:37:54.440 --> 0:37:58.319 his home. But and it's also the thing of like, 0:37:58.440 --> 0:38:00.560 why don't you want to have kids because I don't 0:38:00.560 --> 0:38:02.400 want you more than anything in the world. It's like, 0:38:03.600 --> 0:38:05.520 and you wouldn't want me to have one, you know, 0:38:05.600 --> 0:38:07.759 running around It's just I like it. First, this is 0:38:07.800 --> 0:38:09.960 the first time Stablers like, well, yeah, it's like the 0:38:09.960 --> 0:38:12.400 first time he's he hasn't just said like, oh, because 0:38:12.400 --> 0:38:14.839 God says this is what we're supposed to do. And like, 0:38:14.960 --> 0:38:17.160 you know, I just don't want to wear a condom, 0:38:17.320 --> 0:38:21.080 you know, basically yeah, because the virgin Mary wouldn't like condoms. Yeah, 0:38:21.120 --> 0:38:24.200 something like that. But I just I liked this little moment. 0:38:24.280 --> 0:38:26.279 And then they hear classical music being played on a 0:38:26.320 --> 0:38:28.560 piano and they run into Larry's home and it's the 0:38:28.600 --> 0:38:31.080 boy we've seen in the tape. He has shelled back 0:38:31.120 --> 0:38:36.200 hair and it's Angel from Rent, so's huge. And then 0:38:36.520 --> 0:38:39.680 there's the Ray poster and on the fireplace behind him, 0:38:39.760 --> 0:38:43.320 so you know Ray Guzamondo everywhere. 0:38:43.360 --> 0:38:45.280 So then they they meet Evan. 0:38:45.760 --> 0:38:48.600 Evan's the abused man, and they show him a photo 0:38:49.040 --> 0:38:51.560 and they're like, we're looking for this guy. And now 0:38:51.640 --> 0:38:55.240 we're in a separate we're in a new room, marble room, blinds, 0:38:55.640 --> 0:39:00.360 so oh that's okaying, And the door opens, there's Ams 0:39:00.400 --> 0:39:04.120 files and you know, he loves he loves holtzt he 0:39:04.239 --> 0:39:07.160 loves him. He's trying to get and he's helping him 0:39:07.200 --> 0:39:08.839 try to get into a three year program. He wants 0:39:08.840 --> 0:39:11.160 to go to Juilliard, you know, lots of practice and 0:39:11.760 --> 0:39:14.680 this teacher taught him for free the whole time. And 0:39:14.680 --> 0:39:16.880 then there's a lot of general chats and then Benson 0:39:16.960 --> 0:39:19.480 is like, we know what he did and you need 0:39:19.520 --> 0:39:21.960 to tell us, but he said nothing happened to him. 0:39:22.600 --> 0:39:24.879 Benson is like, how old were you the first time 0:39:24.920 --> 0:39:26.879 you had sex? And he goes, oh, I haven't had 0:39:26.920 --> 0:39:29.359 sex yet, And they keep trying to convince him that, 0:39:29.560 --> 0:39:32.279 like Quoltz has hurt him. He goes, no, I was 0:39:32.360 --> 0:39:34.560 just like pushed really hard. But I've met the bar 0:39:34.800 --> 0:39:37.239 and nothing bad has happened. I'm like amazing, and I'm 0:39:37.280 --> 0:39:40.239 going to be like Ray too. So Craigan is deep 0:39:40.239 --> 0:39:42.319 in thought trying to figure it out, and suggests maybe 0:39:42.360 --> 0:39:45.000 showing him the tape, but Staylor's like, well if he 0:39:45.040 --> 0:39:47.879 doesn't remember something, like, why are we going to traumatize 0:39:47.880 --> 0:39:50.920 this guy into like being like here, you were abused 0:39:50.920 --> 0:39:51.759 but you never know it. 0:39:51.800 --> 0:39:52.120 Whatever. 0:39:52.160 --> 0:39:54.279 So they're like debating is it worth ruining his life 0:39:54.480 --> 0:39:57.960 and full future or not to show the tapes or 0:39:58.040 --> 0:40:01.040 like showman court or let him just live. No, he 0:40:01.160 --> 0:40:03.319 was abused, I don't know. So Kragan is with Evan 0:40:03.360 --> 0:40:05.719 and they're hitting play on the tape. Obviously we got 0:40:05.760 --> 0:40:07.760 to keep the story moving. We can't be like, honestly, 0:40:07.800 --> 0:40:09.600 we do care about your mental health. You should go home. 0:40:09.640 --> 0:40:10.800 Nothing happened wrong. 0:40:10.840 --> 0:40:11.200 Person. 0:40:12.120 --> 0:40:14.120 They're gonna say, we're gonna watch You're gonna watch a 0:40:14.120 --> 0:40:16.880 tape of you being abused. He warns him this is 0:40:16.920 --> 0:40:19.160 gonna be hard to watch and what happened was wrong 0:40:19.560 --> 0:40:21.799 and that we need help from you, Evan, And then 0:40:21.840 --> 0:40:24.480 Evan is realizing what's happening? And he's like, what is this? 0:40:24.760 --> 0:40:27.319 And it is ruining him. He's begging for it to 0:40:27.360 --> 0:40:30.040 be turned off. He stands in the corner, slides down 0:40:30.040 --> 0:40:32.960 the wall to the ground and he is repeating, no, no, 0:40:33.080 --> 0:40:36.520 this went and this one bad, this went bad. So 0:40:36.680 --> 0:40:39.560 now we're back on the snow and Benson and Stabler 0:40:39.640 --> 0:40:42.040 go talk to his mother and she's smoking and drinking 0:40:42.080 --> 0:40:45.600 and it's Newport, so you know what that means. She 0:40:45.840 --> 0:40:48.280 said they're mental. She doesn't care about her health. Okay, 0:40:48.360 --> 0:40:57.320 so there's a bottle obviously, there's also an open bottle 0:40:57.360 --> 0:40:57.920 of aspirin. 0:40:58.000 --> 0:41:00.520 I mean, she's got a lot of substance go in. 0:41:01.000 --> 0:41:03.160 Oh and then they're also talking to Evan, and Evan 0:41:03.200 --> 0:41:06.120 had his fucking Juilliard audition the next day, so it's like, 0:41:06.239 --> 0:41:09.000 now you've traumatized him before his big audition. 0:41:09.120 --> 0:41:10.240 You couldn't wait till. 0:41:10.080 --> 0:41:12.439 The fun way today. 0:41:12.520 --> 0:41:13.120 Oh my god. 0:41:13.200 --> 0:41:14.960 So now they're going through the album and all the 0:41:14.960 --> 0:41:18.479 photos and he is not giving the detectives what they want. 0:41:18.600 --> 0:41:21.440 He loves Larry, he cares about him, you know, he 0:41:21.480 --> 0:41:24.200 bought him a coat one year. And they keep leading 0:41:24.239 --> 0:41:26.759 for help and like the convo always goes back at 0:41:26.800 --> 0:41:31.080 this Gray Guzamano again, he was a prodigy at seventeen. 0:41:31.560 --> 0:41:33.600 And then Evan goes, and I'm twenty one. No one's 0:41:33.640 --> 0:41:34.360 caring about me. 0:41:34.800 --> 0:41:37.560 And then Benson, with a fun fact, comes in and goes, well, 0:41:37.640 --> 0:41:40.160 you know, Juliard just accepted a forty two year old 0:41:40.160 --> 0:41:43.440 flute player. And then Evan goes, yeah, that guy was 0:41:43.480 --> 0:41:46.520 a monk, and Benson goes, no, it's not too late, 0:41:46.840 --> 0:41:50.040 and Evan smirks and goes, really bitch, and then opens 0:41:50.040 --> 0:41:53.360 the album and starts going through the photos and he goes, 0:41:53.480 --> 0:41:58.360 that's Caesar. He's in jail. That's Ricky. He's a junkie Tony. 0:41:58.480 --> 0:42:00.600 No one knows where the fuck he is. And he 0:42:00.640 --> 0:42:03.480 goes and me, I live with my mom. And so 0:42:03.600 --> 0:42:06.200 now we're back at the precinct and all hands on debt. 0:42:06.400 --> 0:42:09.600 Larry did not have a computer, no set schedule, and 0:42:09.680 --> 0:42:13.080 nobody is talking about and the case is being fast tracked. 0:42:13.120 --> 0:42:15.560 So you know, it's only on two counts because that's 0:42:15.600 --> 0:42:18.680 all they have evidence for, and it's really fucked up 0:42:18.719 --> 0:42:21.680 with everything because of the timing and statue of limitations, 0:42:21.760 --> 0:42:25.120 and you know, this is early seasons. There's been changes 0:42:25.239 --> 0:42:29.240 in legislation with sex crimes involving children. But for Evan, 0:42:29.520 --> 0:42:33.920 anything before sixteen is out because of the years, like 0:42:34.040 --> 0:42:36.920 how long ago it happened, but anything after seventeen can 0:42:36.960 --> 0:42:41.160 be deemed consensual. So they have to prove that in 0:42:41.160 --> 0:42:44.080 that one year what happened. And so they only have 0:42:44.120 --> 0:42:49.439 two counts. It's very complicated, very annoying, and we'll see. 0:42:49.480 --> 0:42:51.120 And he just doesn't want to betray whole, like he 0:42:51.400 --> 0:42:55.680 he doesn't want to betray him. So so now we're 0:42:55.680 --> 0:42:58.120 going to go talk to this junkie and jail friend. 0:42:58.480 --> 0:43:01.040 So they talk to Ricky who's like squatted on the ground. 0:43:01.040 --> 0:43:04.960 It's so fucking freezing. They do not help him. Oh god, 0:43:05.000 --> 0:43:06.759 it's so sad to be on the street when it's cold. 0:43:07.400 --> 0:43:10.560 He's fucked up. He goes, No, Larry's place was always warm, 0:43:11.239 --> 0:43:14.400 it was never locked. I could always go whenever I wanted, like, 0:43:15.000 --> 0:43:17.399 that's the place for me. And then he runs off. 0:43:17.760 --> 0:43:19.719 And so now we're going to talk to Ray the 0:43:19.920 --> 0:43:23.720 piano you know, master from the neighborhood. And he's living amazing. 0:43:23.800 --> 0:43:27.399 He has like a nice ass Brownstone, a really nice car, 0:43:27.440 --> 0:43:29.200 and you know, they rented that street out because only 0:43:29.360 --> 0:43:32.439 one parked car on that side of the street. He says, 0:43:32.480 --> 0:43:34.920 he owes a lot to Larry, and he owes the 0:43:34.960 --> 0:43:40.000 community nothing cool. He says, Larry was the only person 0:43:40.040 --> 0:43:43.160 that ever told him he could be somebody, and only 0:43:43.200 --> 0:43:45.479 three ways to get out of that neighborhood. You gotta 0:43:45.520 --> 0:43:48.439 be smart enough, or you die there, or you can 0:43:48.560 --> 0:43:52.040 do something a ball or a piano. And he doesn't 0:43:52.080 --> 0:43:54.319 want anyone to take that away from him. And they 0:43:54.360 --> 0:43:57.279 go to try to talk to Larry's son, and he 0:43:57.360 --> 0:44:00.000 also will not speak to the police. And Craigan goes 0:44:00.120 --> 0:44:02.239 to the office and munch as they're watching tapes. He's 0:44:02.280 --> 0:44:05.080 watched so many tapes. He can't sleep. He only sees tapes. 0:44:05.120 --> 0:44:07.440 He is fucked. And then it's you know, one of 0:44:07.480 --> 0:44:10.680 the classic like I miss homicide, you know, I miss 0:44:10.760 --> 0:44:14.320 victims that don't talk. And then Craigan and him are sighing, 0:44:14.360 --> 0:44:18.560 they're shaking heads, they're chatting. Stabler's reading to his children 0:44:18.600 --> 0:44:22.600 and they're so little and cute. I love watching him 0:44:22.600 --> 0:44:25.600 with the little ones. But it's Dickie and who's the 0:44:25.640 --> 0:44:28.040 other who's the twin and it's Elizabeth. It's a rare 0:44:28.080 --> 0:44:31.120 look at Elizabeth. We barely get any scream time from Elizabeth. 0:44:31.160 --> 0:44:35.759 She's not very commonly seen now. No, So then he's 0:44:35.800 --> 0:44:37.360 reading to the kids. But then he gets up. He 0:44:37.400 --> 0:44:40.520 has a beeper, so it's very season one. He has 0:44:40.560 --> 0:44:43.520 a page and oh no, and then this is like 0:44:43.640 --> 0:44:46.480 this is my life. He grabs a white cordless phone, 0:44:46.920 --> 0:44:48.919 and I just remember when we first got our first 0:44:48.960 --> 0:44:52.160 chordless and what that meant to our family. And I 0:44:52.200 --> 0:44:56.279 also really miss the memories of as a family recording 0:44:56.640 --> 0:45:01.879 the voice like the message machine voice muss I liked it, 0:45:01.920 --> 0:45:03.239 and like who is gonna do it? 0:45:03.320 --> 0:45:05.359 And what like were we like? I don't know. 0:45:05.440 --> 0:45:08.400 I really miss those times of like one communal phone 0:45:08.480 --> 0:45:12.600 and everyone coming together for a voicemail. So that's just cute. 0:45:12.600 --> 0:45:15.479 But it's Evan. So Evan beeped him. He calls Evan 0:45:15.560 --> 0:45:18.440 back and as his kids climb him and they want 0:45:18.520 --> 0:45:20.200 Christmas again, but it's February. 0:45:20.239 --> 0:45:21.400 They can't have Christmas. 0:45:21.680 --> 0:45:24.120 Staylor seems panicked and is like, I will be there 0:45:24.160 --> 0:45:27.040 as soon as I can. So he runs to Polly's diner. 0:45:27.280 --> 0:45:32.600 His mom threw him out. God she didn't want f 0:45:32.680 --> 0:45:36.920 Sler staying at his place. So now he's homeless, so 0:45:37.120 --> 0:45:42.880 again the cops, I hope you've ruined this man's life. 0:45:43.600 --> 0:45:47.239 He offers emergency housing and stuff like that, but I 0:45:47.239 --> 0:45:50.400 don't know. And then you know, Evan's hands hurt from dishwashing, 0:45:50.760 --> 0:45:53.480 so he got fired from dishwashing, now, you know. So 0:45:53.520 --> 0:45:56.480 he's like, fine, I'll fucking testify. So Stabler got what 0:45:56.480 --> 0:45:59.640 he wanted. You got the victim to testify. He lost 0:45:59.640 --> 0:46:01.640 his job, his way to live, and you fucked up 0:46:01.680 --> 0:46:05.600 his Juilliard audition. But he's testifying, yes, Stabler if he 0:46:05.600 --> 0:46:08.719 thinks he's gay, and Staylor goes, well, I don't really know. 0:46:08.800 --> 0:46:11.600 It's not for me to say. But he's really confused 0:46:11.640 --> 0:46:15.279 because he's never had a girlfriend. And Stabler tells him 0:46:15.280 --> 0:46:18.279 like there's a big difference between gay and pedophile, and 0:46:18.360 --> 0:46:21.160 that really confuses Evan. And he goes, well, listen, like 0:46:21.239 --> 0:46:23.960 being gay is not my business, but what was done 0:46:24.040 --> 0:46:27.240 to you? And Evan goes, you're saying I was forced. 0:46:27.320 --> 0:46:30.120 So then Stabler goes, yeah, you were, and why didn't 0:46:30.160 --> 0:46:31.640 you stop taking those lessons? 0:46:31.800 --> 0:46:32.040 You know? 0:46:32.200 --> 0:46:34.320 And he's like, I didn't think I had a choice. 0:46:35.360 --> 0:46:39.200 So Stabler nods an understanding. Stabler then responds, whatever person 0:46:39.280 --> 0:46:41.839 you choose, it should be your choice, and when you're 0:46:41.880 --> 0:46:44.960 ready to see someone that way, you will. So we're 0:46:45.000 --> 0:46:47.920 back at the Stabler household and they have a piano. Okay, 0:46:47.960 --> 0:46:51.440 how did you afford that? I think Kathy comes from money? 0:46:52.200 --> 0:46:52.520 Really? 0:46:53.080 --> 0:46:55.120 Well, they met in private school, they live in a 0:46:55.160 --> 0:46:57.840 giant house. They can afford to have all those kids 0:46:57.840 --> 0:47:00.759 in the city on a police salary, and now they 0:47:00.760 --> 0:47:04.719 have a piano and they're still going downtown for Manicotti Night. 0:47:04.840 --> 0:47:11.120 Like I'm sorry, Yeah, maybe cavy comes for money is 0:47:11.160 --> 0:47:11.880 a good theory. 0:47:12.480 --> 0:47:14.720 That's my new theory. Tell us what you guys think. 0:47:15.080 --> 0:47:18.080 So then Kathy asks if he is all right, you know, 0:47:18.120 --> 0:47:19.680 because he's lurking by their piano. 0:47:19.880 --> 0:47:20.719 She's creeped out. 0:47:21.160 --> 0:47:23.080 And then they sit on the couch and he sighs 0:47:23.080 --> 0:47:25.239 and leans back and a lot of you know, shirt 0:47:25.280 --> 0:47:29.239 buttons are un buttoned, so that's hot, and he's having 0:47:29.320 --> 0:47:31.719 a beer and he doesn't want to really talk to her. 0:47:32.120 --> 0:47:34.879 So Kathy says, did you talk to Olivia about it? 0:47:35.800 --> 0:47:36.719 Okay? Season one? 0:47:37.080 --> 0:47:39.759 And he says, she's my partner, and Kathy nods and 0:47:39.800 --> 0:47:42.960 then more like, you know, sighing a lot of sighing. 0:47:43.320 --> 0:47:45.520 And now we're back to work. There's that was really 0:47:45.560 --> 0:47:50.680 not finished. That convo is left. But because we just 0:47:50.719 --> 0:47:54.200 had that work wife comment, yeah, from like an episode 0:47:54.280 --> 0:47:57.680 we just did. I guess I'm just realizing these little moments. So, oh, 0:47:57.719 --> 0:48:00.400 do you tell Olivia? Did you tell Olivia? Yeah? And 0:48:00.440 --> 0:48:02.680 it's like, I don't know, Kathy, do you really want 0:48:02.680 --> 0:48:05.040 to hear about like molested children? Right? 0:48:05.320 --> 0:48:05.480 Right? 0:48:05.600 --> 0:48:07.399 Keep it at keep it at work, keep it at work. 0:48:07.480 --> 0:48:09.480 Right? People are upset when I talk about the curri 0:48:09.840 --> 0:48:12.560 I'm bringing up friends that stop and people are not 0:48:12.719 --> 0:48:13.480 happy about it. 0:48:13.719 --> 0:48:16.799 So I don't know why she's so gung. Oh. 0:48:16.960 --> 0:48:20.040 Stabler and the man eightya are talking about Evan and 0:48:20.080 --> 0:48:23.560 how we get him ready and comfortable in court. And 0:48:23.600 --> 0:48:25.719 even though he's older, he is frozen as an eight 0:48:25.760 --> 0:48:28.440 year old from when he was molested. So the man 0:48:28.520 --> 0:48:32.480 lawyer is like, oh, okay, when I get kids, I 0:48:32.520 --> 0:48:33.720 give them a courtroom prep. 0:48:33.760 --> 0:48:35.319 So we go to the courtroom to prep him. 0:48:35.360 --> 0:48:38.240 He's spinning in the judges chair, he's playing with the gavel, 0:48:38.760 --> 0:48:41.160 he touches the witness box, he sits in it, and 0:48:41.160 --> 0:48:43.400 they're just really planning to help him, like do the 0:48:43.440 --> 0:48:45.800 best he can on the stand, and he can't be 0:48:46.040 --> 0:48:49.480 in court during the whole trial because then there'd be 0:48:49.640 --> 0:48:52.960 might be contamination. So when it's his turn, you know 0:48:53.040 --> 0:48:55.560 that you just come on in, talk loud clear, and 0:48:55.760 --> 0:48:59.960 only look at the lawyer, ignore everything else but the question, 0:49:00.280 --> 0:49:02.960 and he smiles. Stabler has a sandwich and a soda 0:49:03.000 --> 0:49:05.520 with a straw, which she doesn't. 0:49:06.080 --> 0:49:09.120 He doesn't seem like the straw type to me? Is 0:49:09.160 --> 0:49:10.120 that rude? Is that. 0:49:11.640 --> 0:49:14.040 I don't know, Like I just can't imagine. I feel 0:49:14.080 --> 0:49:16.040 like Stabler is someone that would think using a straw 0:49:16.239 --> 0:49:18.480 is gay. Like I know he's being really progressive and 0:49:18.520 --> 0:49:21.000 cool in this episode, but I feel like he'd be 0:49:21.040 --> 0:49:24.400 anti straw until they said that it sucked with the turtles, 0:49:24.400 --> 0:49:29.640 and then he'd be like, oh, come on, I don't know. Well, 0:49:29.840 --> 0:49:32.480 I'm sick of asking for three paper straws because they 0:49:32.480 --> 0:49:34.320 get so soggy and gross. 0:49:34.520 --> 0:49:36.880 Yeah, there has to be another way. Why can't we 0:49:37.040 --> 0:49:39.319 just not put the trash in the oceans. I don't 0:49:39.400 --> 0:49:42.800 understand why we have to get away from plastic straws. 0:49:42.400 --> 0:49:47.000 Because I would also be down for Like I like 0:49:47.080 --> 0:49:49.760 the glass and metal straws. I like the permanent straws. 0:49:49.840 --> 0:49:52.239 I'm not cleaning them. Yeah, I don't do dish. I'm 0:49:52.239 --> 0:49:54.279 gonna clean a straw with a straw thing. 0:49:54.280 --> 0:49:56.359 I gonna carry one around in a little case and 0:49:56.360 --> 0:49:57.719 have that be your straw wherever you go. 0:49:57.800 --> 0:50:00.400 I don't think so now, I just don't think so. 0:50:00.640 --> 0:50:02.960 And I want to be that girl. I love the 0:50:03.000 --> 0:50:06.120 feeling of a metal straw because it cools it even more, 0:50:06.239 --> 0:50:10.360 you know, it's like exciting. So Belser is sitting pondering 0:50:10.400 --> 0:50:12.520 at his desk and he's like, what makes a purp 0:50:12.560 --> 0:50:16.719 a purp? And Stabler goes, I don't care, and I 0:50:16.840 --> 0:50:20.719 love that and I love that. Yeah, Belzer's like, you know, 0:50:20.719 --> 0:50:23.319 bringing up frontal lobes and maybe he was abused, and 0:50:23.320 --> 0:50:25.480 Stabler again goes, I don't care. 0:50:26.040 --> 0:50:26.839 Like I don't care. 0:50:26.920 --> 0:50:28.680 He heard a lot of kids, and that's all I 0:50:28.719 --> 0:50:31.239 care about, no matter what your lobe is looking like. 0:50:31.760 --> 0:50:33.920 And Belzer goes, well, I have something to show you. 0:50:34.560 --> 0:50:37.920 And it's a tape and it's a tape of Evan 0:50:38.600 --> 0:50:41.080 and he is with a young child and we hear 0:50:41.160 --> 0:50:43.960 Larry's voice off camera, and then he moves into camera 0:50:44.520 --> 0:50:47.440 and then like he says, the little boy is ready 0:50:47.440 --> 0:50:50.799 to start learning. And now finally, Stabler is sitting and 0:50:50.800 --> 0:50:54.360 Belzer is like Blair Witch in a corner and leaning 0:50:54.360 --> 0:50:56.600 on file cabinets, and the little boy goes, what are 0:50:56.640 --> 0:50:59.720 you doing? And Evan goes, uh is the one abusing. 0:51:00.080 --> 0:51:04.080 Evan is doing the abusing. Evan is now abusing the 0:51:04.160 --> 0:51:06.560 children in front of Larry, and Stabler is so pained 0:51:06.600 --> 0:51:10.239 by this he's gritting his teeth and fuck. Jeffries is like, man, 0:51:10.280 --> 0:51:12.080 I feel bad for this guy. What at? Like? 0:51:12.160 --> 0:51:13.480 What else? What are we gonna do? 0:51:13.880 --> 0:51:15.879 And Benson's screams that are like, what do you mean 0:51:16.160 --> 0:51:18.440 we were ready to kill Holts when we saw the video. 0:51:18.960 --> 0:51:21.319 And it's Jeffries, Benson, Craigan, and Munch and they're all 0:51:21.360 --> 0:51:24.800 in Craigan's office debating like, yeah, he's both a victim 0:51:24.840 --> 0:51:27.839 and an abuser. Now what And if Evan hurts another kid, 0:51:27.880 --> 0:51:29.960 then that's going to be on us, And Craigan says, 0:51:30.000 --> 0:51:33.759 the law that binds Holts also binds Evan. It's the 0:51:33.840 --> 0:51:36.640 same laws. And I really like the way I like 0:51:36.680 --> 0:51:39.000 a lot of the ways these people are speaking in 0:51:39.040 --> 0:51:41.080 this episode, So yeah. 0:51:41.280 --> 0:51:46.480 But I also feel like there is a coercive element 0:51:46.600 --> 0:51:49.280 to what's happening to Evan. Even when he is committing 0:51:49.360 --> 0:51:52.600 the crime, he is being coerced by a lifelong a 0:51:52.640 --> 0:51:58.480 person who abused him for years, So it seems to 0:51:58.520 --> 0:52:01.760 me like he's not fully responsible. 0:52:02.640 --> 0:52:04.440 No, but I'm like I forgot how the what was 0:52:04.480 --> 0:52:06.120 the case with the van where it's like this boy 0:52:06.239 --> 0:52:07.880 was sold to this guy and was lessed in the 0:52:07.920 --> 0:52:10.799 van and then they would kidnap kids together. He's still 0:52:10.800 --> 0:52:14.239 got like the prison sentence even if your court, like 0:52:14.280 --> 0:52:16.640 I you know what I mean, I don't know, like. 0:52:16.600 --> 0:52:17.680 I think he needs help. 0:52:18.400 --> 0:52:21.399 I just think it's like it's like when you are 0:52:21.440 --> 0:52:25.880 in an abusive household and like and someone hurts a 0:52:25.960 --> 0:52:28.120 child and like they they they're like mad at the 0:52:28.160 --> 0:52:30.960 mother and the mother gets a more horrible sentence for 0:52:31.120 --> 0:52:34.359 not doing anything to help, and it's like she's living 0:52:34.440 --> 0:52:36.480 as a prisoner in an abusive household though in a 0:52:36.520 --> 0:52:39.239 lot of ways like and like and has been traumatized 0:52:39.239 --> 0:52:42.239 beyond belief, you know, like this kid has been traumatized 0:52:42.320 --> 0:52:45.399 so badly that like I do think it's like very 0:52:46.239 --> 0:52:49.840 very prescient of the show as usual to bring something 0:52:49.880 --> 0:52:52.640 like this up in season one of like what does 0:52:52.680 --> 0:52:55.040 make an abuse or look at the cycle of abuse, Like, yes, 0:52:55.280 --> 0:52:57.920 we can't just say it's just guys fucking committing crimes, 0:52:57.960 --> 0:53:00.400 and that can be true, but in this case, it's like, 0:53:00.440 --> 0:53:03.400 this is a guy kid who's been so badly abused 0:53:03.400 --> 0:53:06.040 for years by somebody that he trusted more than anybody, 0:53:06.400 --> 0:53:09.680 and now of course it's the cycle has been perpetuated. 0:53:09.760 --> 0:53:12.400 You know, you're right though, Like him being in the 0:53:12.480 --> 0:53:15.800 room on that video, Yeah, like if he was I guess. 0:53:15.760 --> 0:53:18.400 Evan alone being like this is how you teach. 0:53:18.440 --> 0:53:20.680 It was like the guy said, okay, time to do 0:53:20.719 --> 0:53:23.160 what you were told, And like it might even be 0:53:23.160 --> 0:53:26.279 before he even saw the video that he even knew 0:53:26.320 --> 0:53:28.200 that was like a bad thing to do to someone, 0:53:28.280 --> 0:53:30.160 you know what I mean. It's like when you condition 0:53:30.320 --> 0:53:33.200 someone so young, they're like, oh, this is what learning 0:53:33.200 --> 0:53:36.080 piano lessons is. You know well, yeah, because I haven't 0:53:36.080 --> 0:53:38.880 said he thought he didn't have a choice. Yeah, he 0:53:38.880 --> 0:53:40.360 didn't have a choice to quit the lessons. 0:53:40.400 --> 0:53:42.319 He didn't have a choice to not molest this little 0:53:42.320 --> 0:53:45.160 boy when he was prompted, like I don't know, don't. 0:53:45.040 --> 0:53:47.080 You didn't even know he was abused really until the 0:53:47.120 --> 0:53:48.560 detectives showed him that tape. 0:53:48.640 --> 0:53:51.440 Yes, that's what I'm saying, like it awakened this whole thing. 0:53:51.520 --> 0:53:54.399 Like so I don't know in less and again they're right, 0:53:54.400 --> 0:53:56.160 if he does go on to abuse other people, he 0:53:56.200 --> 0:53:59.120 doesn't need help. I just don't know that, Like jail 0:53:59.200 --> 0:54:00.640 time is necess Sarah know. 0:54:01.239 --> 0:54:03.880 But the trauma to the children he did do it on, 0:54:04.000 --> 0:54:06.399 or that one child on the tape, It's like if 0:54:06.440 --> 0:54:08.560 I were that kid's parents, I don't care what happened 0:54:08.560 --> 0:54:10.200 to Evan or not, or who was in the room. 0:54:10.280 --> 0:54:14.440 It's like, you molested my kid, right, Yeah, the trauma's 0:54:14.520 --> 0:54:18.600 been done. Yeah, even if we feel bad for him, 0:54:18.640 --> 0:54:23.240 I mean it really being poor sucks, like we should 0:54:23.239 --> 0:54:24.600 help everyone. 0:54:24.719 --> 0:54:26.520 We should help people to not be poor. 0:54:27.480 --> 0:54:28.040 And then. 0:54:29.880 --> 0:54:32.200 I don't know, well, just to not repeat cycles of 0:54:32.200 --> 0:54:35.759 abuse as well, you know, just like this kid, if 0:54:35.800 --> 0:54:37.879 he even knew what had happened to him, or had 0:54:37.880 --> 0:54:40.640 had any resources or a mother that wasn't just like 0:54:40.680 --> 0:54:43.080 smoking newports and being like, oh, my kid just plays 0:54:43.080 --> 0:54:43.799 piano all day. 0:54:43.840 --> 0:54:48.320 Like if he had kicks him out, he kicks him out. Yeah. 0:54:48.719 --> 0:54:52.480 Yeah, So like if he had any support, he would 0:54:52.520 --> 0:54:54.640 have eventually he would have probably at some point figured 0:54:54.680 --> 0:54:56.719 out that what was happening to him was criminal, and 0:54:56.760 --> 0:54:58.880 he would and maybe he wouldn't have kept doing he 0:54:58.960 --> 0:55:01.240 wouldn't have gone on to do it himself. 0:55:01.400 --> 0:55:03.560 But yeah, and depending on the quality of the school. 0:55:03.600 --> 0:55:07.440 It's like, did any teacher notice anything right, like change 0:55:07.480 --> 0:55:09.160 in his behavior or demeanor? 0:55:09.280 --> 0:55:12.520 And you know, like you need smaller classes. 0:55:12.520 --> 0:55:15.440 It's all just so interconnected, and I feel like we're 0:55:15.480 --> 0:55:19.080 always just looking at everything on its own when it's 0:55:19.120 --> 0:55:25.160 this huge, connected, fucking thing. I actually had a conversation 0:55:25.239 --> 0:55:28.480 with my father, who's you know, eighty seven, but he 0:55:28.640 --> 0:55:31.800 was like, we were talking about job Corp and it ending, 0:55:31.920 --> 0:55:36.200 and like how it's so fucked up because you know, 0:55:36.239 --> 0:55:38.480 it's like kids in the foster care system they get 0:55:38.520 --> 0:55:40.160 to join job Core and they have a place to 0:55:40.200 --> 0:55:42.480 live and a school and they can learn a trade 0:55:42.480 --> 0:55:45.960 and then they like have resources, and this administration just 0:55:46.080 --> 0:55:49.160 ended it abruptly, so all these kids have nowhere to go, 0:55:49.680 --> 0:55:51.920 they have no resources, they have no training. And then 0:55:51.960 --> 0:55:53.160 I was like, and then they're on the street, and 0:55:53.200 --> 0:55:55.520 I'm like, and then they make homelessness illegal. And then 0:55:55.600 --> 0:55:57.560 my dad before and this is where I was going, 0:55:57.600 --> 0:55:59.960 But my dad goes but what is it about, Jane, 0:56:00.320 --> 0:56:02.400 Why do they want to keep putting people in jail? 0:56:02.440 --> 0:56:03.920 And I go, well, Dad, that's a great question. 0:56:04.280 --> 0:56:06.920 I go, well, it's a private prison and people make money, 0:56:06.960 --> 0:56:09.359 and then these people can't vote, and then they're doing 0:56:09.520 --> 0:56:13.240 you know, labor in it, and it's like slave labor 0:56:13.280 --> 0:56:15.560 in these jails, and like, so they're getting like labor 0:56:15.560 --> 0:56:17.680 out of these people. They're getting them to stop voting, 0:56:17.719 --> 0:56:20.319 and I'm like, and they're making money off and prisoning them. 0:56:20.760 --> 0:56:23.040 And then but so you just think about like, oh, 0:56:23.080 --> 0:56:26.560 these free loading kids, right or whatever evil people think. 0:56:27.360 --> 0:56:29.880 But how it's all just so connected. Yeah, if these 0:56:29.960 --> 0:56:33.360 kids had a better school, better resources, had food to eat, whatever, 0:56:34.040 --> 0:56:36.520 if their parents had more resources, like all of these things, 0:56:36.560 --> 0:56:39.880 and I don't, I just can. It is just so 0:56:40.040 --> 0:56:43.359 connected and having resources and kids being edgy, all of it. 0:56:43.360 --> 0:56:47.279 It's just like so upsetting that it's all deemed in 0:56:47.360 --> 0:56:50.640 these separate little Yeah. I just feel like having the 0:56:50.680 --> 0:56:53.160 guy on the video, like he would have had a 0:56:53.200 --> 0:56:55.200 case for like coercion or something. 0:56:55.960 --> 0:57:00.160 But you know, I'm not writing the episode, so it's 0:57:00.200 --> 0:57:03.239 my degree from the Law and Order sv University, and 0:57:03.320 --> 0:57:06.759 so now he's unfortunately demoted from the marble room to 0:57:06.760 --> 0:57:10.919 the cement room bars and Evan's talking and Larry said, 0:57:10.960 --> 0:57:14.160 Jonathan didn't feel the music. Oh, can you play a 0:57:14.160 --> 0:57:16.720 piece of music about longing if you've never felt that? 0:57:17.200 --> 0:57:19.640 And it's how Evan learned how to play. So that's that. 0:57:19.880 --> 0:57:22.040 And Sabler's like, so what are you going to do 0:57:22.080 --> 0:57:25.320 with your talent now? It's like, okay, things are bad enough. 0:57:25.360 --> 0:57:29.080 Stabler like, you don't have to fucking remind him he's 0:57:29.080 --> 0:57:31.360 not going to be able to play piano. And then 0:57:31.360 --> 0:57:33.760 Stabler asked how many times did it happen? And Evan goes, 0:57:33.840 --> 0:57:37.880 only once, that's the truth, and I deserve to be punished. 0:57:38.520 --> 0:57:41.000 And he's like, I will test the fight tomorrow. You 0:57:41.040 --> 0:57:43.720 can arraign me. They're like, no, we're willing to make 0:57:43.760 --> 0:57:45.840 a deal. We can make a deal. And Stabler and 0:57:45.880 --> 0:57:48.400 Craigan are in a walk and talk and they're kind 0:57:48.400 --> 0:57:50.080 of like stuck in the middle of all this and 0:57:50.120 --> 0:57:52.480 none of it is clear, and Stabler says Evan had 0:57:52.520 --> 0:57:55.680 a choice and he committed a crime, and Craigan goes, sure, 0:57:55.840 --> 0:57:59.000 and we're cops and we will deal with it, and like, 0:57:59.080 --> 0:58:01.880 what's eating? What eating at you, you know, and it's 0:58:01.920 --> 0:58:04.920 little Evan, Like what choice did little Evan. 0:58:04.720 --> 0:58:08.560 Have in all of this? And it's like. 0:58:08.720 --> 0:58:10.680 You're thinking about that kid, but what about the kid 0:58:10.720 --> 0:58:13.640 that was abused? You know, It's like they're all little kids. 0:58:14.240 --> 0:58:16.280 So now we're in court, we're talking about bail. They 0:58:16.360 --> 0:58:18.480 choose not to put him in prison overnight because the 0:58:18.520 --> 0:58:22.280 stress of that might fuck up with him testifying. So 0:58:22.560 --> 0:58:25.360 the judge puts him in a motel. Stabler's with him, 0:58:25.360 --> 0:58:27.560 and Evan goes, do you hate me? And Sablor says, 0:58:27.600 --> 0:58:30.080 I don't hate you. Sablor says, what happened to you 0:58:30.120 --> 0:58:33.720 is terrible, and I tries seeing that little child being abused, 0:58:33.840 --> 0:58:36.480 only Evan cuts him off and now you see me 0:58:36.520 --> 0:58:40.480 as an abuser, and you know, And then Sailor's going 0:58:40.480 --> 0:58:41.880 through his bag because he's going to be in the 0:58:41.880 --> 0:58:44.480 motel with Evan, and like the kids snuck Christmas book 0:58:44.560 --> 0:58:48.120 into the bag because you know, they want Christmas, and 0:58:48.200 --> 0:58:50.640 Evan touches it and tries to read from it, and 0:58:50.680 --> 0:58:54.440 Stabler snatches that book away from him, and Evan lowers 0:58:54.480 --> 0:58:56.560 his head in shame. And now Evan is on the 0:58:56.600 --> 0:59:00.000 stand hole is crying like damn the betrayal of you. 0:59:00.120 --> 0:59:01.520 It's like, you're a criminal. I hate you. 0:59:01.960 --> 0:59:03.760 And then finally at the end, the judge is like, well, 0:59:03.760 --> 0:59:06.320 we've heard from everybody, dude, do you want to say something, 0:59:06.320 --> 0:59:08.280 And the lawyer goes no, no, no, no, no, he does not. 0:59:08.760 --> 0:59:10.600 I'm sure he would just get hard on the stand 0:59:10.640 --> 0:59:14.320 with his fucking beady little eyes, so that the judge says, look, 0:59:15.200 --> 0:59:18.080 I've read everything and seen everything. Nothing indicates that you 0:59:18.120 --> 0:59:20.760 feel any remorse, and so I'm not gonna be lenient 0:59:20.800 --> 0:59:24.600 in any way. Note by note, you eroded the hope 0:59:24.600 --> 0:59:28.320 from every child in your charge. You stole from them, 0:59:28.520 --> 0:59:32.520 you stole from this community. Good judge. He gets one 0:59:32.560 --> 0:59:36.000 hundred and fifteen years the max the law allows, and 0:59:36.160 --> 0:59:39.440 uh yeah, bye, bitch. She's being taken away, and Evan's shocked, like, 0:59:39.440 --> 0:59:43.120 oh my god, that long. But he'll be available for 0:59:43.160 --> 0:59:45.680 parol in thirty eight years. And Evan still feels like 0:59:45.840 --> 0:59:49.160 really guilty about this because this guy's really old. And 0:59:49.240 --> 0:59:52.200 Larry smiles at Evan before he's taken to prison, and 0:59:52.240 --> 0:59:54.920 it's a really creepy smile. And we go talk to 0:59:54.960 --> 0:59:57.120 the dad of the boy Evan molested who's like, my 0:59:57.280 --> 1:00:00.000 son is down to testify, and I want Evan punished 1:00:00.120 --> 1:00:03.080 to see. That's what I mean, Like, yeah, if your 1:00:03.160 --> 1:00:05.520 kid was molested, you kind of don't care what someone's 1:00:05.560 --> 1:00:10.200 story is. So then they say he's pleading guilty and 1:00:10.240 --> 1:00:13.640 he'll be on probation heavily supervised. So they explain to 1:00:13.680 --> 1:00:16.400 the dad like, you know, Evan's gonna plead guilty and 1:00:16.440 --> 1:00:19.200 then we'll have him on probation and he'll be heavily supervised. 1:00:19.200 --> 1:00:22.000 And the dad goes, no, my son is the victim, 1:00:22.320 --> 1:00:25.520 and stabler goes, no, I know, but it's you know, Larry. 1:00:25.600 --> 1:00:27.120 It goes back to him, and the dad goes, I 1:00:27.160 --> 1:00:30.280 want justice, not special laws for special people. 1:00:30.400 --> 1:00:31.440 I don't give a fuck. 1:00:32.160 --> 1:00:34.360 And Evan's in a suit and tie, he's in cement 1:00:34.440 --> 1:00:38.840 room bars and he's you know, he got into Juilliard. 1:00:39.640 --> 1:00:43.480 We find out he got into Juilliard, so that stinks, 1:00:43.920 --> 1:00:46.000 and the judge refuses to make a deal with him, 1:00:46.040 --> 1:00:48.200 which I think makes sense. Like I said, but he's 1:00:48.200 --> 1:00:50.320 only going to jail for one to three years, which 1:00:50.360 --> 1:00:53.800 I think like helps with the sadness we feel for 1:00:53.840 --> 1:00:56.920 this character. But it is a bummer that he got 1:00:56.960 --> 1:00:59.240 into Juilliard again, like you fuck up his own and 1:00:59.280 --> 1:01:00.800 then you we wave. 1:01:00.600 --> 1:01:01.720 The envelope in his face. 1:01:01.840 --> 1:01:05.840 Yeah, but anyway, so with trial, like but with trial, 1:01:05.880 --> 1:01:08.680 his lawyer says, we won't get the max, so like, 1:01:09.400 --> 1:01:11.720 we'll just take back our plea deal, you know, like 1:01:11.800 --> 1:01:14.080 I bet in court we'll get enough sympathy to be 1:01:14.080 --> 1:01:16.040 able to get probation and we'll get what we want. 1:01:16.320 --> 1:01:19.240 Why would we agree to this max sentence? And then 1:01:19.320 --> 1:01:23.760 Evan says, no, Jonathan can't go through that, and so 1:01:23.840 --> 1:01:26.000 he goes, whatever, I'll be in jail for you three years. 1:01:26.040 --> 1:01:28.320 I deserve it. Evan says, I don't know what made 1:01:28.360 --> 1:01:30.360 Holt the way he is, but I do know why 1:01:30.400 --> 1:01:31.439 I am the way I am. 1:01:31.560 --> 1:01:33.760 And it stops here now. 1:01:34.280 --> 1:01:38.840 And he looks out the bar windows and that's stickwolf baby. Also, 1:01:38.960 --> 1:01:42.480 do we assume that Holt was not also molesting this 1:01:42.600 --> 1:01:47.080 little boy, the one he's the Yeah, he's the one 1:01:47.080 --> 1:01:51.280 of the pictures, right, m hmm, yeah, like he definitely is. 1:01:51.640 --> 1:01:53.040 So I don't know. 1:01:53.080 --> 1:01:55.800 The dad is like getting justiced for the guy who 1:01:55.880 --> 1:01:58.640 molested his son, probably multiple multiple times, and then he 1:01:58.720 --> 1:02:00.000 really wants the guy who did it one time. 1:02:00.040 --> 1:02:04.360 I'm also to get jail time. It just, uh, who's 1:02:04.400 --> 1:02:05.160 also a victim? 1:02:06.040 --> 1:02:06.440 I don't know. 1:02:07.080 --> 1:02:09.160 I mean, yeah, not to keep bring up my dad, 1:02:09.160 --> 1:02:10.480 but I did just spend a lot of time with 1:02:10.520 --> 1:02:13.640 my family. But we were talking about how like he also, 1:02:13.840 --> 1:02:15.960 we don't know where he gets information, so take this 1:02:16.000 --> 1:02:17.800 with a grain of salt. But he was just saying 1:02:17.840 --> 1:02:21.600 how he read about like a family whose son unfortunately 1:02:21.640 --> 1:02:24.400 died in a drunk driving collision, like a drunk driver 1:02:24.480 --> 1:02:28.440 hit him, and the guy offered them like thirty million 1:02:28.440 --> 1:02:30.440 dollars like he was like a rich guy, and it's 1:02:30.480 --> 1:02:32.480 like it was like, I'll just settle with you. Guys, like, 1:02:32.720 --> 1:02:35.000 let me just settle with you, and the family went, 1:02:35.040 --> 1:02:35.760 we don't want your money. 1:02:35.800 --> 1:02:36.800 We want you to go to jail. 1:02:37.280 --> 1:02:39.920 And my dad was confused about like why they wouldn't 1:02:39.960 --> 1:02:42.400 just take the money, and I go, it's about justice, dad, 1:02:42.440 --> 1:02:44.440 I go, they didn't want the money. They wanted like 1:02:44.480 --> 1:02:47.640 a suffering and he he just didn't get it. But 1:02:48.080 --> 1:02:51.120 I don't know, like your kid's dead, you want the 1:02:51.160 --> 1:02:54.800 person in trouble like you want I don't know, right, yeah, 1:02:55.600 --> 1:02:57.320 because you don't want to be bought off when your 1:02:57.600 --> 1:02:59.920 child's dead, like what are you gonna but thirty million? 1:03:00.120 --> 1:03:00.440 I don't know. 1:03:00.640 --> 1:03:02.560 Again, I don't know where these numbers came from. Who 1:03:02.600 --> 1:03:04.480 this is? Is this real? I'm not sure. 1:03:05.560 --> 1:03:05.920 Yeah. 1:03:06.640 --> 1:03:09.320 I just wonder if like someone came to me and 1:03:09.320 --> 1:03:12.040 they were like, oh, your son's piano teacher has been 1:03:12.120 --> 1:03:14.919 your kids piano teacher has been molesting them, and then 1:03:15.240 --> 1:03:18.240 one of their other students that they molested from your 1:03:18.240 --> 1:03:22.520 son's age to into adulthood one time was also coerced 1:03:22.560 --> 1:03:23.320 into doing it as well. 1:03:23.360 --> 1:03:25.440 I feel like my anger would mostly be towards Holt. 1:03:25.640 --> 1:03:36.600 But again, it's a television show, Okay. So here's what's 1:03:36.600 --> 1:03:39.120 crazy when you Obviously, we have a bunch of different 1:03:39.120 --> 1:03:40.760 places where we find out where crimes are from, but 1:03:40.760 --> 1:03:42.520 a lot of times we use the law and order 1:03:42.600 --> 1:03:47.000 fandom Wikipedia, and they say, based on a reported Brooklyn 1:03:47.040 --> 1:03:49.520 case involving a piano teacher who gave free lessons to 1:03:49.600 --> 1:03:53.000 underprivileged children in order to videotape himself molesting them, that 1:03:53.480 --> 1:03:54.560 word for word. 1:03:54.360 --> 1:03:56.880 Is written multiple times all around the internet. But I 1:03:56.960 --> 1:04:00.000 cannot find a case where that actually happened. 1:04:00.800 --> 1:04:01.200 I can't. 1:04:01.200 --> 1:04:05.280 What I did find are two cases kind of close 1:04:05.320 --> 1:04:08.120 to each other in the late nineties, right as this 1:04:08.160 --> 1:04:10.280 because this is from the first season, right as the 1:04:10.320 --> 1:04:13.439 show was kicking off, and I think it might be 1:04:14.280 --> 1:04:16.960 like a little bit of a maybe a little bit 1:04:16.960 --> 1:04:20.800 of a combo of the cases. So I will start 1:04:20.840 --> 1:04:23.360 with this first one. This is from nineteen ninety seven. 1:04:24.280 --> 1:04:29.160 On April eighteenth of nineteen ninety seven, at Intermediate School 1:04:29.240 --> 1:04:32.320 two four six in two forty six in Flatbush, the 1:04:32.320 --> 1:04:36.200 Flatbush neighborhood of Brooklyn, a janitor said he tried to 1:04:36.240 --> 1:04:39.080 get into the school's music room, but there was a 1:04:39.120 --> 1:04:43.200 desk pushed up against the door. When he finally pushed through, 1:04:43.720 --> 1:04:46.840 he saw a forty one year old music teacher, Michael Williams, 1:04:46.920 --> 1:04:49.520 and a thirteen year old female eighth grader with her 1:04:49.600 --> 1:04:51.240 skirt up over her waist. 1:04:51.840 --> 1:04:52.640 After what he. 1:04:52.560 --> 1:04:56.040 Saw, the janitor went to the principal right away, and 1:04:56.080 --> 1:04:59.520 then that is where the story diverges. The principal, whose 1:04:59.560 --> 1:05:02.360 name was l Winfield, says that the janitor told him 1:05:02.440 --> 1:05:05.080 we've got a problem or something like that, but that 1:05:05.680 --> 1:05:08.280 he never got into details or something. But then the 1:05:08.360 --> 1:05:11.240 janitor goes, no, no, I said, I told the principle 1:05:11.280 --> 1:05:13.360 to misconduct, and the principle told me to put it 1:05:13.400 --> 1:05:15.720 in writing, which the janitor refused to do. 1:05:16.240 --> 1:05:19.760 I don't know why, but who knows. 1:05:19.800 --> 1:05:21.440 The janitor could have had a million reasons why he 1:05:21.480 --> 1:05:25.080 didn't want to write a report, but he said this 1:05:25.240 --> 1:05:28.360 is what I saw to the principle on May ninth. 1:05:28.600 --> 1:05:29.640 That's three weeks later. 1:05:29.800 --> 1:05:32.200 Three weeks have gone by where nothing has happened since 1:05:32.200 --> 1:05:36.320 this janitor has witnessed this. May ninth, the janitor decides 1:05:36.360 --> 1:05:39.440 to call Edward F. Stansick, who is the Special Commissioner 1:05:39.440 --> 1:05:43.160 of Investigation for City Schools in New York. And then 1:05:43.400 --> 1:05:46.200 five days later, on May fourteenth, stansik Is and his 1:05:46.280 --> 1:05:49.840 investigators interviewed the janitor, who reports what he saw and 1:05:49.920 --> 1:05:53.280 he did this with the principal present, and the principle 1:05:53.480 --> 1:05:54.560 was like, that's not what happened. 1:05:54.560 --> 1:05:54.840 Whatever. 1:05:54.920 --> 1:05:58.520 But two days later they asked Winfield to remove Williams 1:05:58.760 --> 1:06:02.760 and re the teacher, reassign him, but the principal refused 1:06:02.880 --> 1:06:06.440 until he got allegations in writing from San Sik's office. 1:06:06.520 --> 1:06:11.360 So super cool, principle definitely not covering for a fucking 1:06:11.640 --> 1:06:15.520 pedophile teacher that's on his staff. So the teacher was 1:06:15.560 --> 1:06:20.600 permitted to stay at the school that Friday, May sixteenth, Monday, 1:06:20.800 --> 1:06:24.000 and Tuesday May nineteenth and twentieth, all after he kind 1:06:24.000 --> 1:06:27.120 of knows he's being investigated. On Tuesday the twentieth, the 1:06:27.160 --> 1:06:31.840 teacher confronts the student. He's pissed and he's under investigation. 1:06:32.120 --> 1:06:34.919 He's he's confronting the student. It's like you were there 1:06:34.960 --> 1:06:37.919 also when you were both there when a janitor walked 1:06:37.920 --> 1:06:40.320 in on what you were doing. So why why you're 1:06:40.320 --> 1:06:43.880 blaming her for somehow being behind It is insane? And 1:06:43.960 --> 1:06:47.520 the teacher takes off on the twenty of the twentieth 1:06:47.520 --> 1:06:50.680 Tuesday the twentieth, to his home in toby Hana, Pennsylvania, 1:06:51.120 --> 1:06:53.880 which is in the Poconos. So if you know anything 1:06:53.880 --> 1:06:57.560 about the geography of this area, that is very far. 1:06:58.080 --> 1:07:00.800 Williams taught music at that school for ten years and 1:07:00.840 --> 1:07:04.000 traveled one hundred miles by bus every day to get there. 1:07:04.360 --> 1:07:07.600 Yeah that's a pedophile. Yeah, he's in it. He's working 1:07:07.640 --> 1:07:10.160 hundred miles by bus. What is that three hours each way? 1:07:10.560 --> 1:07:12.160 That's what I'm trying to hold on. I want to 1:07:12.160 --> 1:07:13.000 know the answer to this. 1:07:13.120 --> 1:07:17.600 Let me go to Okay, there must be some stops Flatbush, Brooklyn. 1:07:17.680 --> 1:07:19.760 Okay, this is insane. 1:07:19.880 --> 1:07:22.680 It's literally over one hundred miles. It's two and a 1:07:22.720 --> 1:07:26.000 half hours each way driving. I can't even imagine if 1:07:26.000 --> 1:07:28.640 you're taking the bus, that has to be four hours 1:07:28.680 --> 1:07:29.920 where you're taking a greyhound. 1:07:30.120 --> 1:07:31.880 Did he stay in the city right. 1:07:31.720 --> 1:07:34.400 In two They said he did this every day, and 1:07:34.400 --> 1:07:37.240 this is one way, Like I don't understand. They said 1:07:37.240 --> 1:07:38.680 he did this every day in the article that I 1:07:38.720 --> 1:07:39.800 read in the New York Times. 1:07:40.040 --> 1:07:44.080 So because we my favorite art teacher ever in elementary school. 1:07:44.120 --> 1:07:46.200 She lived in Indiana, but then during the week she 1:07:46.240 --> 1:07:48.080 stayed at her sister's house in the city and on 1:07:48.120 --> 1:07:50.120 the weekends went back to spend time with her husband. 1:07:50.200 --> 1:07:53.400 Like we asked the questions, Yeah. 1:07:52.800 --> 1:07:55.160 This says I traveled one hundred miles by bus every 1:07:55.240 --> 1:07:57.200 day to get there, and that must be one hundred 1:07:57.240 --> 1:08:00.320 miles home as well. So I have no idea. But 1:08:00.560 --> 1:08:03.200 a lot of students like knew this guy Williams. He 1:08:03.240 --> 1:08:06.480 taught musical instrument lessons as well as voice lessons, and 1:08:06.520 --> 1:08:08.400 a lot of students like couldn't believe that he was 1:08:08.440 --> 1:08:10.920 capable of what he was accused of, you know, But 1:08:11.400 --> 1:08:14.760 they discovered through their investigation that Williams and this student 1:08:14.880 --> 1:08:18.320 had been having quote unquote sexual relations since January of 1:08:18.320 --> 1:08:21.880 that year, which is old nineties journalism. Why of saying 1:08:22.040 --> 1:08:25.320 she was being sexually abused since January? Instead they act 1:08:25.360 --> 1:08:27.320 like an eighth grader is having like a cute, little 1:08:27.320 --> 1:08:28.559 fun affair with her teacher. 1:08:29.520 --> 1:08:32.400 Just reading something and it said the woman was a teenager. 1:08:33.479 --> 1:08:38.120 The teen was teen so yeah, so gross. Yeah. 1:08:38.280 --> 1:08:42.639 And so they also found out that Williams had gotten 1:08:42.640 --> 1:08:46.400 a permission slip from her parents to you know, help 1:08:46.880 --> 1:08:49.519 bolster his crimes. Like he basically was like, oh no, 1:08:49.560 --> 1:08:51.280 I got a permission slip for parents said she's allowed 1:08:51.320 --> 1:08:51.719 to be here. 1:08:52.240 --> 1:08:54.760 So he and he eventually two days. 1:08:54.560 --> 1:08:57.960 Later, after he fled back to his home after he 1:08:58.280 --> 1:09:01.479 you know, verbally assaulted the girl he'd been assaulting for months, 1:09:01.800 --> 1:09:04.400 he turned himself into investigators two days later, on May 1:09:04.400 --> 1:09:07.000 twenty second, ninety seven, and he was charged with second 1:09:07.040 --> 1:09:10.120 degree sodomy, second degree sexual abuse, and endangering the welfare 1:09:10.120 --> 1:09:13.479 of a child. The New York Times writes in this article, quote, 1:09:13.640 --> 1:09:16.599 If convicted of the sodomy charge, the most serious of 1:09:16.640 --> 1:09:19.839 the charges, mister Williams faces up to seven years in prison. 1:09:20.000 --> 1:09:22.479 End quote. Why is that the most serious charge. 1:09:22.800 --> 1:09:26.400 Why is that a stronger charge than second degree sexual abuse, 1:09:27.160 --> 1:09:28.280 like sodomy? 1:09:28.680 --> 1:09:32.040 Like it's just that to me? Is so the puritanical 1:09:32.160 --> 1:09:36.880 old homophobia. Yeah, I was gonna say, like old laws 1:09:36.920 --> 1:09:41.120 of our country. But the principal obviously did come under 1:09:41.120 --> 1:09:44.240 fire for not reassigning the teacher after he heard the allegations, 1:09:44.240 --> 1:09:47.240 which he really should have done immediately, but the principal 1:09:47.240 --> 1:09:49.760 claimed he never heard specific allegations from the janitor, So 1:09:49.800 --> 1:09:53.160 he's like, I didn't do anything wrong, of course, professional dumbass. 1:09:53.439 --> 1:09:56.880 Then New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, who, if you'll 1:09:56.920 --> 1:10:00.080 remember Borat got him to take his pants off on 1:10:00.120 --> 1:10:03.520 a fucking in a movie that was released nationwide internationally. 1:10:03.560 --> 1:10:08.280 He's an idiot. Never forget four seasons Cleaners. He tried 1:10:08.320 --> 1:10:10.240 to use this case as. 1:10:10.080 --> 1:10:13.559 An excuse for letting NYPD handle security in New York 1:10:13.600 --> 1:10:16.160 City public schools, which the school chancellor did not want 1:10:16.160 --> 1:10:19.600 to happen. So he was like, you know, this custodial 1:10:19.640 --> 1:10:22.160 worker might have felt much more comfortable reporting that incident 1:10:22.200 --> 1:10:24.400 to a cop than to his boss. And it's like 1:10:24.800 --> 1:10:28.000 why why would like why are you acting like everybody 1:10:28.000 --> 1:10:30.160 feels much more comfortable talking to the cops. You know, 1:10:30.400 --> 1:10:33.479 like this janitor did the right thing, he told his boss, 1:10:33.680 --> 1:10:35.920 and his boss did nothing. This is not a good 1:10:35.960 --> 1:10:41.320 excuse for you to, you know, deputize the NYPD into 1:10:41.320 --> 1:10:42.360 New York City schools. 1:10:43.400 --> 1:10:45.680 He's a fucking idiot, Rudy Giuliani. 1:10:45.800 --> 1:10:50.960 So honestly, I cannot find what happened as the results 1:10:51.000 --> 1:10:51.479 of this case. 1:10:51.520 --> 1:10:52.920 I Cannot'm assuming nothing. 1:10:53.400 --> 1:10:55.600 Yeah, Like I can't find whether Michael I mean, the 1:10:55.680 --> 1:10:59.840 name Michael Williams is like so common, but I also 1:11:00.120 --> 1:11:03.400 just can't find I looked him up in lookups, Like, 1:11:03.479 --> 1:11:07.040 I just cannot find whether he was Like, I'm sorry, 1:11:07.040 --> 1:11:08.800 that's a red flag. You can't get a job in 1:11:08.840 --> 1:11:12.839 the Poconos. You can't move to Flatbush. What's going on here? Yeah, 1:11:13.160 --> 1:11:15.200 what do you mean? You're driving one hundred miles per 1:11:15.240 --> 1:11:17.960 bus back and forth every single day. It's a teach band. 1:11:18.520 --> 1:11:22.240 You're a h h yeah, no, no, no, no no. 1:11:22.439 --> 1:11:25.400 There's just also a lot of guys named Michael Williams 1:11:25.520 --> 1:11:29.720 who have committed crimes and molestation crime specifically, So it's 1:11:29.800 --> 1:11:30.439 really hard. 1:11:30.479 --> 1:11:33.480 There's like Michael L. Williams and Michael W. 1:11:33.479 --> 1:11:36.120 Williams, like there's just so many, so I don't know 1:11:36.400 --> 1:11:40.960 what they're This guy actually got convicted or served time. 1:11:41.080 --> 1:11:44.760 I would imagine he somehow was like the janitor didn't 1:11:44.760 --> 1:11:46.920 see what he saw or something, and maybe he got 1:11:46.960 --> 1:11:50.840 off but very the movie election, yes, and hopefully he 1:11:50.880 --> 1:11:55.559 didn't get his get to teach again, but who knows. 1:11:56.439 --> 1:11:59.800 And then the next crime that I found, which was 1:12:00.160 --> 1:12:04.280 impossible to find stuff about, like impossible, I found a 1:12:04.439 --> 1:12:06.880 blog that had. 1:12:08.280 --> 1:12:12.040 A ton of the credit articles. What could we use blogs? 1:12:12.080 --> 1:12:13.120 Is that a credible source? 1:12:13.280 --> 1:12:13.479 Well? 1:12:13.760 --> 1:12:15.360 Really secret here. 1:12:15.680 --> 1:12:17.880 In this blog post which I'm I'm putting in my 1:12:17.920 --> 1:12:21.479 sources in this blog post, there is they have word 1:12:21.479 --> 1:12:23.840 for word copy and pasted articles that were on the 1:12:23.840 --> 1:12:26.840 internet about this case. And I know that because some 1:12:26.880 --> 1:12:28.320 of them are New York Times, and so I ended 1:12:28.400 --> 1:12:30.120 up being able to find those in like the way 1:12:30.200 --> 1:12:32.720 like way back, but some of them are from like 1:12:32.760 --> 1:12:36.040 the Bergen County Record and newspapers that have now folded 1:12:36.040 --> 1:12:38.400 into other newspapers and are now at newspapers dot Com, 1:12:38.400 --> 1:12:40.519 and I have to get a subscription and then pour 1:12:40.680 --> 1:12:43.600 through like it's not as searchable. So I was like, 1:12:43.760 --> 1:12:46.040 I'm not going to do all that, but I am 1:12:46.040 --> 1:12:49.000 assuming that this blog copy and pasted since they copy 1:12:49.000 --> 1:12:51.680 and pasted correct information from the New York Times, that 1:12:51.720 --> 1:12:55.759 they copy and pasted correct information from the Bergen Record 1:12:56.479 --> 1:12:59.680 that said I could be incorrect, but I'm prefacing it 1:12:59.760 --> 1:13:02.639 right now now. But it seems like everything is correct, 1:13:02.680 --> 1:13:04.519 and you'll see why. It's not like there's a lot 1:13:04.560 --> 1:13:08.920 of wild allegations here. So basically, this is the case 1:13:08.960 --> 1:13:13.400 of Samuel s Astor. In nineteen ninety nine, literally months 1:13:13.400 --> 1:13:17.559 before SVU premiered, a music teacher was held on one 1:13:17.560 --> 1:13:20.520 million dollar bail in Bergen County, New Jersey for allegedly 1:13:20.560 --> 1:13:24.760 assaulting a young girl who was his piano student. He 1:13:24.880 --> 1:13:27.559 was sixty years old Samuel s Astor. He was arrested 1:13:27.560 --> 1:13:29.720 in early June after an eight year old student of 1:13:29.760 --> 1:13:31.720 his told her parents that he had abused her during 1:13:31.760 --> 1:13:34.559 a lesson at his home in t Neck, New Jersey. 1:13:34.920 --> 1:13:37.720 He was charged with aggravated sexual assault and endangering the 1:13:37.720 --> 1:13:41.799 welfare of a minor. He taught music at Manhattan College. 1:13:41.800 --> 1:13:43.840 He had a wife and a grown son at the time, 1:13:43.920 --> 1:13:47.040 like a twenty something year old son. Investigators believed that 1:13:47.080 --> 1:13:51.360 there could be other victims, possibly from the Orthodox Jewish community, 1:13:51.640 --> 1:13:55.880 which Astor was a member, and in searching his home, 1:13:56.320 --> 1:14:01.599 investigators eventually found videotapes of Astra assaulting other students. 1:14:01.640 --> 1:14:03.080 So he did tape these things? 1:14:03.160 --> 1:14:05.960 Well yeah, because then, yeah, it's because I'm thinking like 1:14:06.000 --> 1:14:09.320 with power and property, or like having a piano teacher 1:14:09.439 --> 1:14:11.920 and like authority, all of that, but then to add 1:14:11.960 --> 1:14:16.240 like a close knit religious community, to like an added 1:14:17.320 --> 1:14:19.960 thing of secrecy and trust. And they couldn't even like 1:14:20.040 --> 1:14:22.280 question people because I think the day they brought him 1:14:22.280 --> 1:14:23.920 in was like the Sabbath, and they were like, well, 1:14:23.920 --> 1:14:25.439 we're not even gonna be able to get to some 1:14:25.479 --> 1:14:28.960 of these witnesses until tomorrow, you know, or possible victims. 1:14:29.000 --> 1:14:31.960 So they, like I said, they found all these tapes. 1:14:32.000 --> 1:14:34.519 The tapes were all appeared to have been secretly recorded 1:14:34.520 --> 1:14:36.240 by the teacher, not like hey, I'm gonna tape you 1:14:36.280 --> 1:14:38.240 so we can work on your hand technique or anything 1:14:38.320 --> 1:14:40.519 like that. And of course that led them to question 1:14:40.640 --> 1:14:43.760 several other children. Another eight year old victim was quickly identified, 1:14:44.240 --> 1:14:48.040 and by June of nineteen ninety nine June twenty third 1:14:48.040 --> 1:14:50.960 of nineteen ninety nine, five more victims had been identified, 1:14:51.000 --> 1:14:53.639 totaling seven girls between the ages of eight and thirteen 1:14:53.720 --> 1:14:57.280 years old, and I was looking everywhere for like, what happened, 1:14:57.280 --> 1:14:59.720 what happened to this guy? And the answer is nothing, 1:14:59.760 --> 1:15:02.000 beca because he took his own life on November second 1:15:02.080 --> 1:15:03.080 of nineteen ninety nine. 1:15:03.400 --> 1:15:04.760 He was found hanging in. 1:15:04.720 --> 1:15:08.200 His home with a plastic bag over his head, and 1:15:08.240 --> 1:15:10.200 he left a note, but they did not publicize what 1:15:10.280 --> 1:15:10.840 was in the note. 1:15:11.360 --> 1:15:14.120 And this shot, I want to know. 1:15:14.560 --> 1:15:17.320 I know this got a tiny bit of news attention 1:15:17.479 --> 1:15:20.040 because he was the second teacher in two weeks in 1:15:20.080 --> 1:15:23.799 that county to take their own life after being accused 1:15:23.840 --> 1:15:26.040 of molesting a student. So like in a two week span, 1:15:26.120 --> 1:15:28.160 there was him in this other teacher that was and 1:15:28.200 --> 1:15:32.400 they both took their lives. And so the information about 1:15:32.400 --> 1:15:35.479 the videotapes was in the Bergen County Record, like all 1:15:35.479 --> 1:15:38.479 this stuff, and it's all a lot of it as 1:15:38.520 --> 1:15:40.519 I found some of the original articles, but then some 1:15:40.560 --> 1:15:43.960 of the ones I just couldn't find and that, but 1:15:44.000 --> 1:15:47.439 it all seems kind of like it fits together. 1:15:47.600 --> 1:15:50.040 You know. I wonder if they like changed the app 1:15:50.200 --> 1:15:52.080 or yeah, this is later in the season, like it 1:15:52.080 --> 1:15:54.320 could have happened weeks right before the Yeah, and so 1:15:54.400 --> 1:15:56.760 if somebody like saw that because I wanted to do 1:15:56.840 --> 1:15:57.880 like a New York show. 1:15:57.920 --> 1:16:00.639 I feel like, yeah. 1:16:00.000 --> 1:16:01.880 And this happened in New Jersey, but was featured in 1:16:02.200 --> 1:16:05.479 the Metro section of New York Times, which is happening 1:16:05.479 --> 1:16:08.439 in the Tri state area. So I think they could 1:16:08.439 --> 1:16:12.320 have seen this about the piano teacher and then said, okay, 1:16:12.320 --> 1:16:14.479 but let's change it to this and then like the 1:16:15.120 --> 1:16:19.800 victim becomes the molesterer. Is definitely like a thing, because 1:16:19.840 --> 1:16:21.840 you know, Season one is prenial Bear, so I don't 1:16:21.880 --> 1:16:25.639 know how much medical journaling we're doing. But yeah, So 1:16:25.800 --> 1:16:27.960 those are the two stories I found. I could not 1:16:28.040 --> 1:16:31.680 find anybody like. And again, this is not underprivileged as 1:16:31.720 --> 1:16:33.719 far as I know. I'm hearing that this is the 1:16:33.960 --> 1:16:36.920 Orthodox Jewish community in t Neck, which, as far as 1:16:36.960 --> 1:16:40.920 I know, even in the nineties, was not an underprivileged area. 1:16:41.720 --> 1:16:44.000 That doesn't mean that this guy was not targeting some 1:16:44.080 --> 1:16:46.080 underprivileged people, but I think it's like what you're saying, 1:16:46.120 --> 1:16:49.639 targeting people in an insular community. We've seen that before 1:16:49.680 --> 1:16:56.120 on this show. But if there is a music teacher 1:16:56.400 --> 1:16:59.040 in Brooklyn who was serving underprivileged kids and doing it 1:16:59.080 --> 1:17:01.439 exactly this episode, I could not find it. I found 1:17:01.439 --> 1:17:03.439 a story of another music teacher, but he was not 1:17:03.600 --> 1:17:05.639 arrested until two thousand and three, so it was years 1:17:05.680 --> 1:17:11.000 after the show, so that wasn't about him. So yeah, 1:17:11.160 --> 1:17:14.479 another scary case of sview, just kind of like playing 1:17:14.479 --> 1:17:16.120 out before something happens in real life. 1:17:16.120 --> 1:17:19.400 Also, being a parents insane. You're one day you're like, oh, yeah, 1:17:19.400 --> 1:17:23.640 my kid wants to play piano. The next day, I know, molestation, 1:17:24.680 --> 1:17:29.800 I know. And yeah, so I guess your kids aren't 1:17:29.800 --> 1:17:33.920 playing piano. They're they're not my mom My. Mom's really 1:17:33.960 --> 1:17:41.040 pushing for it. She's really pushing for it. But also, yeah, 1:17:41.120 --> 1:17:41.559 I don't know. 1:17:42.000 --> 1:17:44.719 I don't know. I don't know any I don't know anything. 1:17:44.840 --> 1:17:45.280 I don't know. 1:17:45.439 --> 1:17:47.880 I think I worry about it, but I'm also like, 1:17:48.040 --> 1:17:50.280 I will die if I just worry about this constantly. 1:17:51.560 --> 1:17:55.400 But let's get onto our guests, because we have a 1:17:56.360 --> 1:18:07.880 iconic guest. Our guest today is an actor best known 1:18:07.960 --> 1:18:11.320 for his role as Angel in the original Broadway run 1:18:11.320 --> 1:18:13.640 of Rent, for which he won a Tony Award for 1:18:13.720 --> 1:18:14.640 Best Actor. 1:18:14.560 --> 1:18:15.599 Featured in a Musical. 1:18:15.880 --> 1:18:17.920 But you know him today as the piano prodigy and 1:18:18.040 --> 1:18:21.599 victim turned abuser Evan. Please enjoy our chat with the 1:18:21.720 --> 1:18:23.600 lovely Wilson Jermaine Heredia. 1:18:24.360 --> 1:18:27.240 Oh, I mean, our listeners are gonna go insane. 1:18:27.360 --> 1:18:30.360 This is huge. We're very thrilled you're here. 1:18:30.560 --> 1:18:31.519 Thank you for having me. 1:18:31.600 --> 1:18:33.400 I mean I texted my best friend this morning, who 1:18:33.400 --> 1:18:36.040 has two Rent tattoos on her body, and she was 1:18:36.120 --> 1:18:40.479 like an icon like you. I mean, I have like 1:18:41.160 --> 1:18:44.200 all of Angel's songs on my mixtapes from high school. 1:18:44.240 --> 1:18:47.920 Like it's that's fantastic to be able to talk to you, 1:18:48.400 --> 1:18:51.160 so exciting. Did you watch that so much? 1:18:51.760 --> 1:18:53.400 Yeah? Did you rewatch it? 1:18:53.960 --> 1:18:58.000 No? No, I haven't rewatched it. I because I've for 1:18:58.040 --> 1:19:01.120 a long time I used it. It was still it 1:19:01.160 --> 1:19:03.599 was on my reel until about I don't know, about 1:19:03.640 --> 1:19:07.200 five years ago because it was such a good it 1:19:07.240 --> 1:19:10.800 was it was like it was my first TV episodic ever, 1:19:11.680 --> 1:19:14.200 uh and where I got to cut my teeth on 1:19:14.280 --> 1:19:17.960 it and for a while, and just because I was 1:19:18.000 --> 1:19:21.559 just lazy about about redoing my reel. So I've always 1:19:21.600 --> 1:19:25.640 seen bits of it and friends throughout the years they 1:19:25.680 --> 1:19:28.000 would say like, oh my god, I didn't know you 1:19:28.040 --> 1:19:31.760 went on this. You won on a SVU And I 1:19:31.800 --> 1:19:34.840 was like, yep, the first season and Uh, yeah, so 1:19:34.880 --> 1:19:39.200 I've seen it's it's surprisingly fresh in my mind, like 1:19:39.280 --> 1:19:42.040 not super like I can't give you all the details, 1:19:42.040 --> 1:19:44.080 but it's very very fresh in my mind. 1:19:44.240 --> 1:19:46.320 Yeah, because I was gonna say, I just looked up 1:19:46.360 --> 1:19:50.559 it actually came out May twelve, two thousand, so like 1:19:51.120 --> 1:19:54.000 just over twenty five years to the day pretty much. Yeah, 1:19:54.240 --> 1:19:57.000 And we're talking to you, so we always appreciate when 1:19:57.080 --> 1:19:59.719 somebody from the earlier seasons comes on to talk about 1:20:00.120 --> 1:20:02.720 show they made two decades ago. So we appreciate you, 1:20:03.520 --> 1:20:05.559 and we would love to hear anything you remember. I mean, 1:20:05.640 --> 1:20:08.040 like so you were, like you remember, you were more 1:20:08.080 --> 1:20:10.559 of like a Broadway baby doing all this stuff, winning 1:20:10.560 --> 1:20:14.160 a Tony, and then you got this. I know there's 1:20:14.200 --> 1:20:16.040 a couple other things on your IMDb before this, but 1:20:16.160 --> 1:20:18.200 like you said, your first episode of episodic, how did 1:20:18.240 --> 1:20:19.240 it like all come about? 1:20:19.560 --> 1:20:22.280 Well, you know, just just through the regular channels. I 1:20:22.800 --> 1:20:25.839 auditioned for it. I was auditioning for other stuff before, 1:20:26.080 --> 1:20:28.559 and and I was trying to figure out like what, 1:20:29.680 --> 1:20:33.400 I'm a very strange well even even still now, even 1:20:33.400 --> 1:20:37.080 now that I'm a little bit more burly, I'm a 1:20:37.120 --> 1:20:41.360 strange fit. Uh and and finding the right thing to 1:20:41.800 --> 1:20:44.880 be cast in, and even the thing, even anything that 1:20:44.920 --> 1:20:49.160 I was really truly interested in, because you know, casting 1:20:49.200 --> 1:20:52.000 directors and directors and producers, I mean, they can still 1:20:52.040 --> 1:20:54.920 like if you're not really super super super super into 1:20:54.920 --> 1:20:57.000 it and you're just auditioning to audition, they could just 1:20:57.040 --> 1:21:00.000 read right through it. And so that that reads through 1:21:00.120 --> 1:21:03.240 all that this particular audition when I first read it, 1:21:03.600 --> 1:21:05.439 and this is like back in the day where you 1:21:05.520 --> 1:21:08.400 actually had to go to the agency to pick up 1:21:08.439 --> 1:21:10.640 the sides rather than have the sides that delivered to 1:21:10.680 --> 1:21:14.120 you via email. You had to go. Sometimes they would 1:21:14.120 --> 1:21:16.840 deliver it to you, but you had to go and 1:21:16.960 --> 1:21:18.679 pick it up. And so you have to be really 1:21:18.720 --> 1:21:24.280 really invested. And I read it and I thought, I 1:21:24.320 --> 1:21:28.280 can really like this, I can really do this. This 1:21:28.920 --> 1:21:32.160 is right up my alley and I already had it 1:21:32.200 --> 1:21:35.679 planned in my head, and I live in the Upper 1:21:35.720 --> 1:21:42.120 East Side. And I also have discovered then and even 1:21:42.200 --> 1:21:46.600 now and even as far as the method that I 1:21:47.200 --> 1:21:51.200 used to audition for rent, is that the less you 1:21:51.640 --> 1:21:54.840 really and it sounds kind of messed up, but the 1:21:54.920 --> 1:21:58.000 less you really care about it, meaning as in like 1:21:58.400 --> 1:22:00.519 not not as in like you don't care about it 1:22:00.520 --> 1:22:03.040 at all, meaning that that you just kind of throw 1:22:03.080 --> 1:22:05.360 caution to the wind, you know what I mean, like 1:22:05.479 --> 1:22:08.160 like you just like you know what I'm going to do, 1:22:08.200 --> 1:22:10.760 what I'm going to do. So I guess what I'm 1:22:10.760 --> 1:22:12.720 saying is that you don't overthink it. You just kind 1:22:12.720 --> 1:22:14.920 of go in and just do your thing. So I 1:22:14.960 --> 1:22:19.000 went in there with with my idea of what Evan 1:22:19.280 --> 1:22:23.560 was and how Evan spoke and how and I was 1:22:23.600 --> 1:22:29.439 already in that place, and I remember kind of going like, uh, 1:22:29.520 --> 1:22:31.280 what was I get it? I get it, you know 1:22:31.479 --> 1:22:34.280 not you know, I laid it all out there and 1:22:35.840 --> 1:22:40.040 I had it. Just there was this particular cadence that 1:22:40.080 --> 1:22:42.320 I that I felt that that he had because of 1:22:42.479 --> 1:22:47.439 what has happened to him and what he's like. Uh 1:22:47.479 --> 1:22:50.920 and uh sort of like an arrested development emotionally kind 1:22:50.920 --> 1:22:56.000 of kind of character. Uh. And And I went in 1:22:56.040 --> 1:22:58.280 there and as far as I was concerned, I was, 1:22:58.560 --> 1:23:01.519 I was in the scene, was shooting the scene in there, 1:23:01.640 --> 1:23:04.840 and you know, I went in there and and everybody 1:23:04.960 --> 1:23:09.439 was out there, everybody, the director, producer, writer, everyone's there, 1:23:09.560 --> 1:23:13.360 and it stood my thing and I stood up and uh, 1:23:13.640 --> 1:23:18.400 I was like, yeah, thanks, I walked out. Back then, 1:23:18.400 --> 1:23:20.280 I was a smoker. So the first thing I did 1:23:20.479 --> 1:23:23.080 was like it was like take my smoke out. I 1:23:23.160 --> 1:23:26.840 was walking, I was walking out. I was one of 1:23:26.880 --> 1:23:32.160 those those those people that that had cell phones early on, 1:23:34.040 --> 1:23:37.080 and uh, I kid you not like on my way 1:23:37.800 --> 1:23:42.559 half because it was it was the audition was down 1:23:42.720 --> 1:23:47.040 where like where Chelsea Piers, right around that area where 1:23:47.120 --> 1:23:51.160 where Chelsea Piers is, and and so those so I've 1:23:51.479 --> 1:23:53.040 been down there. I'm pretty sure you have. Is that 1:23:53.120 --> 1:23:57.640 those blocks are super long, right, They're super long. So 1:23:59.560 --> 1:24:03.760 down the very first block halfway through, I got the 1:24:03.800 --> 1:24:06.679 phone call and they said like ooh, and they said, 1:24:06.720 --> 1:24:10.000 like you got it. Yeah. I was like, wow, I. 1:24:10.120 --> 1:24:11.040 Love to hear it. 1:24:11.240 --> 1:24:15.680 Once you booked it, then, what was like the shooting, Like, 1:24:15.760 --> 1:24:17.720 I mean, it was such a it was like Law 1:24:17.720 --> 1:24:19.320 and Order was an established show, but it was the 1:24:19.320 --> 1:24:20.479 first season of SVU. 1:24:20.560 --> 1:24:23.080 I mean, now it's the longest running live action show. 1:24:23.280 --> 1:24:25.640 Season twenty six is wrapping up. But like you were 1:24:25.680 --> 1:24:27.679 in the first inaugural season. 1:24:27.920 --> 1:24:32.240 Yeah, oh it was. It took it was two weeks, 1:24:32.640 --> 1:24:36.680 which I don't know how long episodes take now, but 1:24:37.280 --> 1:24:42.960 it was. Yeah, it was about two weeks and you know, 1:24:43.160 --> 1:24:49.280 days were long, and I remember thinking, I love this process. 1:24:49.560 --> 1:24:53.760 I really do love this process. The one thing that 1:24:53.840 --> 1:24:58.320 I noted immediately was that you had to have endurance. 1:24:58.320 --> 1:25:03.120 It's a different kind of energy and a sort of patience. 1:25:04.800 --> 1:25:10.240 It's it challenging for anyone that has gone from from 1:25:10.360 --> 1:25:14.120 theater to and and where their main thing, and me, 1:25:14.479 --> 1:25:17.080 my main thing has always been I started in theater. 1:25:17.120 --> 1:25:21.840 It was always what I wanted to do and and uh, 1:25:22.000 --> 1:25:26.320 you know, fancied myself doing a lot of indies, but 1:25:26.320 --> 1:25:32.800 but never anything big. But I didn't know the process, like, 1:25:32.880 --> 1:25:35.880 for example, the process of setting up setting up a scene, 1:25:35.880 --> 1:25:39.719 like you shoot something and then you shoot a close 1:25:39.800 --> 1:25:41.920 up on you, and then you have to shoot the 1:25:41.920 --> 1:25:43.960 scene again and then they have to turn it around 1:25:44.080 --> 1:25:48.160 on the other person. But you have to stay behind 1:25:48.160 --> 1:25:53.680 that camera person for uh, just for sightline, and that 1:25:53.800 --> 1:25:57.439 takes like sometimes two hours just to turn the camera 1:25:57.520 --> 1:26:01.120 around because the lighting and everything. Asked me, and so 1:26:02.400 --> 1:26:04.759 I was like, this is something new, this is definitely 1:26:04.760 --> 1:26:08.240 something new. So to maintain I understand. And I guess 1:26:08.240 --> 1:26:12.080 what I'm getting at is is I've now I understand 1:26:13.280 --> 1:26:16.000 rather than I understood like, oh, now I understand like 1:26:16.080 --> 1:26:19.000 method actors like why why why they do that in 1:26:19.080 --> 1:26:23.280 or just to stay in character all day and all 1:26:23.520 --> 1:26:27.080 so that way they can be consistent from shot to 1:26:27.120 --> 1:26:31.519 shot to shot. Luckily, I have this just manic energy 1:26:31.560 --> 1:26:33.120 that he was, like I was on the whole time. 1:26:33.640 --> 1:26:34.479 I was ready to go. 1:26:34.960 --> 1:26:40.280 Well you're probably excited, absolutely absolutely, and and. 1:26:41.200 --> 1:26:45.559 I came away thinking like I can do this. I 1:26:45.600 --> 1:26:48.240 can do this on a regular you know, like, HI, 1:26:48.720 --> 1:26:54.640 definitely hire me as a seasoned regular for anything. And 1:26:54.680 --> 1:26:57.519 I'm and I'm still you know, to this day, I'm 1:26:57.520 --> 1:26:59.920 still I'm still looking to see like what what is 1:27:01.800 --> 1:27:03.559 what is in the cards for me? As far as 1:27:03.600 --> 1:27:08.880 that that that that for me is is like my my, Mecca, 1:27:09.040 --> 1:27:13.240 my my, it's it's it was like the gig that 1:27:13.360 --> 1:27:17.120 I do want. And uh, I mean because you know 1:27:17.160 --> 1:27:19.679 you're off on weekends also mean you don't shoot on weekends. 1:27:19.760 --> 1:27:22.680 It's it's fantastic. It's it's a it's a what I 1:27:22.720 --> 1:27:27.280 call the civilized schedule theater. You you you're performing eight 1:27:27.320 --> 1:27:29.519 shows a week, you only have one day off, you 1:27:29.560 --> 1:27:35.599 have Mondays year, you're working holidays, you're missing everything and 1:27:35.640 --> 1:27:37.960 all you and then your whole life is focused on it. 1:27:38.000 --> 1:27:40.599 I love theater, though I still like I'm not even 1:27:40.880 --> 1:27:44.679 saying that that that I I don't like it, don't 1:27:44.680 --> 1:27:46.880 want to. I'm just saying that that if if I 1:27:46.920 --> 1:27:50.640 can choose, if someone would give me the choice and 1:27:50.680 --> 1:27:55.880 say one for one year, would you rather do a 1:27:55.920 --> 1:27:59.519 TV show and work thirteen fourteen hour days and then 1:27:59.640 --> 1:28:01.559 have like, you know, a couple of months off and 1:28:01.600 --> 1:28:07.120 then go back or worked that whole year through recently 1:28:07.920 --> 1:28:14.920 of Monday and and and and drain yourself completely. I would. 1:28:15.160 --> 1:28:20.400 I would do that, And and I came away just 1:28:21.200 --> 1:28:25.080 super excited about the process. And yeah it was. It 1:28:25.200 --> 1:28:27.240 was a lot a lot of fun, A lot of 1:28:27.240 --> 1:28:29.760 fun it was. And and they were great there too, 1:28:30.040 --> 1:28:33.679 no horror st always, no divas, nothing, it was it was. 1:28:34.000 --> 1:28:37.200 It was a great production. It was a great crew, 1:28:37.320 --> 1:28:40.760 it was great director, it was it was a lot 1:28:40.800 --> 1:28:41.120 of fun. 1:28:41.520 --> 1:28:43.719 Well, because it was season one, I bet they also 1:28:43.840 --> 1:28:47.519 still had the level of excitement too, you know, like 1:28:47.560 --> 1:28:50.760 now everyone says it's a well oiled machine, but I 1:28:50.800 --> 1:28:54.160 bet they were all jazz to to get those jobs 1:28:54.200 --> 1:28:57.400 and like be on set. Yeah, wonderful the extra But 1:28:57.439 --> 1:29:01.599 then the episode so dark yeah, I know, and your 1:29:01.680 --> 1:29:03.559 character is kind of quiet, you know, they really have 1:29:03.600 --> 1:29:05.320 to pull so much out from him. 1:29:05.520 --> 1:29:08.519 Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's there were a lot of there 1:29:08.520 --> 1:29:10.479 were a lot of scenes. I mean there was there 1:29:10.520 --> 1:29:14.120 was there was that excitement, but there was also that 1:29:14.120 --> 1:29:19.519 that energy of of what the subject matter is about, 1:29:19.680 --> 1:29:23.280 and and how disturbing all of it was, and and 1:29:25.000 --> 1:29:28.719 so you know, you had to make sure to lighten 1:29:28.840 --> 1:29:33.799 up when when when the director would say cut, and 1:29:33.800 --> 1:29:39.960 and there was that. Mariska was great. I love love 1:29:40.120 --> 1:29:44.360 Chris's energy as well, Like I I'm just sort of 1:29:44.400 --> 1:29:47.439 in love with with this whole body of work in general, 1:29:47.560 --> 1:29:52.559 and and and how versatile he is and and just 1:29:53.120 --> 1:29:54.040 very very supportive. 1:29:54.680 --> 1:29:57.400 I mean, your Wikipedia does not have a lot of 1:29:57.520 --> 1:30:00.360 information about you in terms of like it says you 1:30:00.360 --> 1:30:01.920 grew up in New York, But then like how did 1:30:01.960 --> 1:30:02.680 you get into that? 1:30:02.720 --> 1:30:04.600 Were you doing that in high school? Were you like 1:30:04.680 --> 1:30:09.360 discover your theater? Like how were you just like a god? 1:30:09.439 --> 1:30:12.840 I wish man? I wanted to. I wanted to. I 1:30:12.840 --> 1:30:15.559 went to actually college not not far away from mcguard 1:30:15.600 --> 1:30:20.720 I went to Hunter. I went about it in I 1:30:21.160 --> 1:30:24.200 got to the theater or to acting in a roundabout way. 1:30:24.200 --> 1:30:26.200 But I was always I was always a performer of 1:30:26.240 --> 1:30:29.799 some sort or I was and I was definitely definitely 1:30:29.840 --> 1:30:35.360 one artist. I was visual artists ever since. You know, 1:30:35.600 --> 1:30:42.120 I remember really seriously taking drawing very very seriously, went 1:30:42.160 --> 1:30:46.280 to art school. Was always the center of attention in 1:30:46.800 --> 1:30:54.200 house parties. Dancing became sort of semi professional dancer, dancing 1:30:54.240 --> 1:30:58.080 for for if you remember freestyle, the music freestyle. I 1:30:58.160 --> 1:31:02.519 was dancing for a couple of freestyle groups. Went to Brazil. 1:31:02.840 --> 1:31:06.760 Uh did that so I I I knew that's what 1:31:06.800 --> 1:31:10.800 I wanted to do. But I was studying medicine and 1:31:11.400 --> 1:31:13.760 that that's what my that's what my parents want me 1:31:13.800 --> 1:31:15.800 to do. I mean, they're the Dominican immigrants, and so 1:31:15.920 --> 1:31:20.040 they they like and and it isn't like like they 1:31:20.040 --> 1:31:21.680 didn't have any faith in me. It's like they just 1:31:21.840 --> 1:31:25.080 knew that it was a very hard world and they 1:31:25.080 --> 1:31:29.719 didn't want they they their opinion was that you didn't 1:31:29.720 --> 1:31:32.880 come here to to to bust our humps. So that 1:31:32.960 --> 1:31:37.080 way we can watch our son Uh go into a career. 1:31:37.160 --> 1:31:39.720 And he's particularly a person of color, and and we 1:31:39.760 --> 1:31:43.960 don't see anyone of color get to the higher echelons, 1:31:44.000 --> 1:31:45.920 get to the get to the A list, and so 1:31:47.600 --> 1:31:50.880 go to school, get your get your toma, become a 1:31:50.920 --> 1:31:54.599 doctor all that. So the reason that it all really 1:31:54.600 --> 1:31:56.400 came about was just because I was I was so 1:31:56.680 --> 1:32:00.160 and still am interested in science and biology and and 1:32:00.400 --> 1:32:03.600 how the body worked and so. But then you know, 1:32:03.640 --> 1:32:05.720 you get manipulated by your parents say that's what you 1:32:05.720 --> 1:32:06.880 want to be. You want to be a doctor? Was like, 1:32:06.960 --> 1:32:09.759 and then you do at school, yes, and and that 1:32:09.760 --> 1:32:12.240 that continues on. So I went to a vocational high 1:32:12.240 --> 1:32:15.120 school and became a medical assistant, and so worked in 1:32:15.160 --> 1:32:17.639 several hospitals, clinics and the whole thing. And so I'm 1:32:17.760 --> 1:32:20.360 really good and I'm really good at that job. I 1:32:20.479 --> 1:32:22.559 was really really good. I just but I just knew 1:32:23.040 --> 1:32:25.320 this is not who I am. This is not the 1:32:25.520 --> 1:32:27.680 or rather, this is not the entirety of of who 1:32:27.760 --> 1:32:32.879 I am. It's just like it's like the full opposite. Yeah, yeah, 1:32:32.920 --> 1:32:38.360 And I I remember being asked once what my parents 1:32:38.360 --> 1:32:41.920 felt when they saw me in drag and I'm like, 1:32:42.080 --> 1:32:45.000 that's the wrong question. The question you should be asking 1:32:45.000 --> 1:32:47.559 me is what I said, or rather what what what 1:32:47.600 --> 1:32:51.360 they said when I said I'm not going to be 1:32:51.400 --> 1:32:57.960 a doctor. I'm not going to medical school. That completely 1:32:59.040 --> 1:33:03.479 shattered them. Uh and and they said, uh, you know, 1:33:04.040 --> 1:33:11.200 you're on your own. And I told them this. When 1:33:11.240 --> 1:33:15.000 I graduated high school went to me. They expected me 1:33:16.600 --> 1:33:20.759 to go straight into into you know, headlong into studying 1:33:20.800 --> 1:33:24.439 medicine and start the prep. But I said, like, you know, 1:33:25.080 --> 1:33:28.479 that's that's not who I am. And let's just face it, 1:33:28.479 --> 1:33:31.840 you guys know that's not who I am. Your question 1:33:31.960 --> 1:33:35.400 is how did I start? I had to lie. I 1:33:35.400 --> 1:33:38.080 had to first lie my first like dancing gig and 1:33:38.120 --> 1:33:39.599 all that. I had to lie to my parents say 1:33:39.720 --> 1:33:42.320 like it's I mean, technically it was sort of like 1:33:42.360 --> 1:33:45.280 a half lie. I said, like I'm I'm I'm going 1:33:45.280 --> 1:33:47.559 for a job interview, and it was it was actually 1:33:47.560 --> 1:33:52.320 an audition to dance for this group. And then you know, 1:33:52.439 --> 1:33:55.640 I just my whole life that from that time, like 1:33:56.080 --> 1:33:59.920 even before that, all I was doing is either dancing, drawing, writing, 1:34:01.120 --> 1:34:05.840 That's what I was doing. And and by the time 1:34:07.720 --> 1:34:09.479 that I got to I mean, I went to two 1:34:09.520 --> 1:34:12.479 colleges and I went to to one to New York 1:34:12.520 --> 1:34:16.800 City Tech to for for art and design. I took 1:34:16.840 --> 1:34:19.920 off a semester trying to figure out what I wanted 1:34:19.960 --> 1:34:21.960 to do, what school I wanted to go to, and 1:34:22.240 --> 1:34:26.679 ended up at Hunter College and I started taking dance 1:34:26.720 --> 1:34:31.519 classes there. I felt still at that time, I knew 1:34:31.520 --> 1:34:32.920 that I was again I was going to end up 1:34:32.920 --> 1:34:37.120 on a stage as as a theater performer, but not 1:34:37.240 --> 1:34:41.400 yet I was. I was really really working on on 1:34:41.439 --> 1:34:45.439 my dance career. And I both both my ham shrinks 1:34:47.320 --> 1:34:49.639 in two different occasions because I was a club kid 1:34:50.520 --> 1:34:56.800 and I battled. I battled, and I mean that's what 1:34:56.960 --> 1:34:59.720 clubs were for me. People would go, you know, other 1:34:59.720 --> 1:35:06.040 people maybe have a different perspective or what they had experience, 1:35:08.000 --> 1:35:12.080 whether drinking or dancing or whatever, or rather like socializing. 1:35:12.240 --> 1:35:16.719 For me and my group of people, it was literally 1:35:16.760 --> 1:35:19.880 it was like a movie. It was. It was going 1:35:19.960 --> 1:35:25.280 in seeing the middle of the dance floor open up 1:35:26.200 --> 1:35:32.920 and then battling and making your bones and making your 1:35:33.720 --> 1:35:37.640 that is that is what we did that and that's how. 1:35:37.720 --> 1:35:42.040 I mean, that's how how when when I auditioned for rent, 1:35:42.280 --> 1:35:43.960 the club kid thing, it was like club kit. I 1:35:44.000 --> 1:35:45.720 don't have to pretend that I'm a club kid, like 1:35:45.800 --> 1:35:49.080 I still am. Like that happened like about four years ago, 1:35:49.320 --> 1:35:55.639 you know, so uh that is what I did. And 1:35:55.720 --> 1:35:58.360 when I was working at the clinic, my night life 1:35:58.439 --> 1:36:00.880 was still that I was still forming and I was 1:36:00.920 --> 1:36:07.040 still going to clubs. And so when I pulled my hamstrings, 1:36:07.439 --> 1:36:10.320 the dance teacher said like, and doctor said, like, you 1:36:10.360 --> 1:36:12.040 know for six months, you're not going to be normal 1:36:12.080 --> 1:36:13.680 for a while. You know, you're not gonna be able 1:36:13.720 --> 1:36:17.760 to dance. Really, it's so long. Yeah, yeah, well hamstrings, 1:36:17.800 --> 1:36:21.479 you know, the tendon takes takes a while. And I 1:36:21.560 --> 1:36:23.439 was like, what am I going to do? It's like 1:36:23.560 --> 1:36:26.720 six months to me? And you know, for a twenty 1:36:27.520 --> 1:36:31.559 what twenty twenty year old? Twenty yeah, twenty year old? 1:36:32.760 --> 1:36:35.599 Six months is a long time for a twenty year old, 1:36:36.000 --> 1:36:38.200 it feels it feels like it's years. 1:36:38.960 --> 1:36:39.400 Yeah. 1:36:39.439 --> 1:36:44.479 So a friend of mine said, you know, why don't 1:36:44.520 --> 1:36:47.479 you well, since you can't take the dance classes anymore, 1:36:47.479 --> 1:36:49.400 it's going to be useless for you being in there, 1:36:49.880 --> 1:36:53.000 why don't you just audit the acting one oh one class. 1:36:54.240 --> 1:36:58.880 And that's what I did. I walked into the acting 1:36:58.920 --> 1:37:03.880 one o one class and Heather Alurs was the teacher, 1:37:04.439 --> 1:37:12.320 and within one month, within the month of me being 1:37:12.479 --> 1:37:15.559 in that class, I was already in my first off 1:37:15.600 --> 1:37:21.280 Broadway play Wow, And I had my equity card. And 1:37:22.200 --> 1:37:24.320 because when some and I tell this to everybody, I 1:37:24.360 --> 1:37:29.439 teach master classes and and and to anyone that'll have 1:37:29.560 --> 1:37:34.080 me to both ready to schools and uh, and the 1:37:34.120 --> 1:37:38.160 one thing I always tell everybody is like, when something 1:37:38.240 --> 1:37:42.439 is meant for you, it's meant for you, and you 1:37:42.600 --> 1:37:47.200 know it and there is nothing that's going to stop that. 1:37:48.160 --> 1:37:52.880 And uh, that was that was me from the moment 1:37:52.920 --> 1:37:55.400 that I told my parents, and even before that, it 1:37:55.439 --> 1:37:59.439 was more about the recognizing, uh, the coming out of 1:38:00.080 --> 1:38:03.880 I'm an artist like and and the way it felt 1:38:03.880 --> 1:38:08.759 like was I'm an artist, And then I went, oh, 1:38:09.640 --> 1:38:13.920 I'm an artist? What am I going to do to 1:38:13.960 --> 1:38:15.280 see my life? 1:38:17.240 --> 1:38:20.000 Did your parents end up coming to shows? 1:38:20.040 --> 1:38:25.160 Some? But I think maybe like one two, they thought 1:38:25.200 --> 1:38:28.080 it was a hobby. They thought it was still still 1:38:28.080 --> 1:38:30.479 a hobby, a hobby that I They knew that I 1:38:30.520 --> 1:38:33.439 was talented and that I was hard working at that, 1:38:33.600 --> 1:38:37.679 but they they saw it as a talent. They didn't 1:38:37.680 --> 1:38:39.479 see it as a way of really making a living. 1:38:39.520 --> 1:38:43.080 I mean it's hard, but a way of They didn't 1:38:43.080 --> 1:38:45.519 see it as a lifestyle. They just thought as as 1:38:45.600 --> 1:38:48.839 a hobby for me. It wasn't It's not a lifestyle 1:38:48.840 --> 1:38:51.800 for me. It's it's who I am, It's what I do, 1:38:51.880 --> 1:38:57.760 It's it's how I make a living. It's it's how 1:38:57.800 --> 1:38:58.599 I see the world. 1:38:59.479 --> 1:38:59.599 Uh. 1:39:00.280 --> 1:39:06.160 And so when they saw a rent, they were like wow. 1:39:06.960 --> 1:39:09.240 For a while, I mean my mom even even my 1:39:09.280 --> 1:39:12.400 mom for a while, well that would say like, she's like, 1:39:12.520 --> 1:39:16.000 you can't sing. She's like so she would laugh when 1:39:16.000 --> 1:39:19.400 I would try to sing. And then after that, I 1:39:20.000 --> 1:39:23.640 was still I was still living at home. And but 1:39:23.840 --> 1:39:25.639 it wasn't like I was living at home the whole 1:39:25.680 --> 1:39:29.960 time before I moved out. Then had to come and uh, 1:39:30.240 --> 1:39:34.000 I had to come back for a stint and then 1:39:34.200 --> 1:39:36.040 and then I was like, okay, I'm just saving money 1:39:36.040 --> 1:39:37.640 so that way I can I can leave again. So 1:39:37.840 --> 1:39:42.000 in the so opening night did my thing. You had 1:39:42.000 --> 1:39:45.320 to do that and come home and get and see 1:39:45.360 --> 1:39:48.000 my parents, and my Mom's like, boppy, you can sing. 1:39:48.400 --> 1:39:50.160 I'm like, I've been trying to tell you that. I'm 1:39:50.160 --> 1:39:51.720 We're trying to tell you. I'm trying to tell you 1:39:51.760 --> 1:39:55.680 for for a long time. It's it's I just had to, 1:39:56.040 --> 1:39:59.639 you know, give me the right material. And uh. And 1:39:59.680 --> 1:40:08.160 then the Tonys came and went, and you know, months, 1:40:08.240 --> 1:40:10.799 I think like maybe four or five months after the Tonys. 1:40:11.680 --> 1:40:13.760 My mom goes like, Okay, well, now that you're done 1:40:13.760 --> 1:40:15.600 with your hobby and you got your little award, you 1:40:15.640 --> 1:40:17.240 can go back to be a doctor right. 1:40:19.880 --> 1:40:22.400 Now that you've won a Tony. Oh my god, you. 1:40:22.360 --> 1:40:26.160 Can do both, Like Mom, it's it shows like I 1:40:26.160 --> 1:40:28.559 don't think you understand like how much energy this takes. 1:40:28.600 --> 1:40:36.040 And she she didn't, but uh, but yeah. 1:40:34.880 --> 1:40:37.599 When you join rent, like you guys all have gone 1:40:37.600 --> 1:40:41.040 on to such amazing careers, Like were you close with 1:40:41.160 --> 1:40:43.360 are you close with specific people from that cast? 1:40:43.520 --> 1:40:44.919 I saw you all at Redwood. 1:40:44.920 --> 1:40:47.439 It's not all of you, but it was Oh yeah, 1:40:47.479 --> 1:40:48.879 Adina's new. 1:40:48.880 --> 1:40:50.800 Yeah, well not all of us were able to make it. 1:40:50.840 --> 1:40:53.680 I'm pretty sure, Like, but we we we still have 1:40:53.760 --> 1:40:54.400 a group chat. 1:40:54.640 --> 1:40:56.240 The two that have been on the podcast. 1:40:56.439 --> 1:40:59.120 Oh yeah, yeah. 1:40:58.200 --> 1:41:00.920 Yeah, you guys have a group chat. 1:41:01.000 --> 1:41:05.200 Yeah yeah, all of us still pretty much. Tay changed 1:41:05.240 --> 1:41:08.800 his number, so Tay is the only but he was 1:41:08.880 --> 1:41:12.440 on the group chat for a while. We're genuinely, genuinely 1:41:12.479 --> 1:41:17.240 family and friends and so, you know, and we talked 1:41:17.240 --> 1:41:19.200 to you know, some people talk to each other more 1:41:19.200 --> 1:41:23.599 than others. But but since Jesse started his new show, 1:41:23.680 --> 1:41:27.800 I I I hear from him less, but we but 1:41:27.920 --> 1:41:29.479 we check. We chat quite a bit. 1:41:30.160 --> 1:41:34.240 We do any last minute tidbits that you remember from 1:41:34.280 --> 1:41:36.960 the set, like uh or anything you want to prom 1:41:37.080 --> 1:41:41.799 or Sepher Maloney throwing up piece of pie at someone 1:41:41.840 --> 1:41:43.040 at Craft Services. 1:41:43.360 --> 1:41:45.960 I don't know that was that was bad improv. I 1:41:45.960 --> 1:41:47.240 couldn't think of anything. 1:41:47.479 --> 1:41:52.640 When when they show me the video of of me 1:41:52.760 --> 1:41:57.439 getting raped and and it's just me and my reaction 1:41:57.600 --> 1:42:00.559 shot if you remember, there's a set when I go 1:42:00.640 --> 1:42:04.080 like what's this? What's this? Like no, no, no, and 1:42:04.080 --> 1:42:05.679 that's when I collapse and I go to the corner 1:42:05.760 --> 1:42:08.360 of the room, the floor and I and I go 1:42:08.520 --> 1:42:11.800 like no no. But the director did in order to 1:42:11.840 --> 1:42:15.000 get my reaction. I mean, if he knew, if he 1:42:15.080 --> 1:42:17.000 knew where I came from, he would have gotten something 1:42:17.040 --> 1:42:19.080 else for me, because what he what he showed me 1:42:19.240 --> 1:42:25.720 was like he showed me cow's being slaughtered. Oh but see, 1:42:25.760 --> 1:42:29.120 I grew up in Brooklyn and and I've seen I'm 1:42:29.320 --> 1:42:31.920 I'm not and I'm not kidding about this. Like I've 1:42:31.920 --> 1:42:36.080 seen people freshly shot, I have seen people stabbed, I 1:42:36.120 --> 1:42:39.240 have seen, so blood is nothing new for me. I 1:42:39.280 --> 1:42:41.559 was like, Oh, you need to show me something a 1:42:41.600 --> 1:42:44.200 lot more like a lot more fucked up for me 1:42:44.280 --> 1:42:46.760 to react like that. So I still had to and 1:42:46.840 --> 1:42:49.559 go like, oh that's terrible. Oh Cole's heads being cut 1:42:49.600 --> 1:42:51.720 off not a big deal. Oh my god, I know 1:42:51.880 --> 1:42:53.680 that's so messed up. It shows you, like how I 1:42:53.720 --> 1:42:59.880 grew up. Yeah, and then I played Angel, so but 1:43:00.240 --> 1:43:05.360 uh yeah, man, yeah, yeah it was it was a blast. 1:43:05.840 --> 1:43:09.040 If it was a blast, and and uh yeah, I 1:43:09.080 --> 1:43:13.120 hope that they've read. They decide to write Evan back 1:43:13.160 --> 1:43:15.559 into the show one episode of like you know him 1:43:15.560 --> 1:43:18.559 coming back and what happens, like how he how he 1:43:18.640 --> 1:43:20.519 pays his step to society. 1:43:20.360 --> 1:43:23.440 You know, totally starts helping the department. 1:43:23.640 --> 1:43:26.920 Yeah, becomes a cop and becomes a season regular. That's 1:43:26.920 --> 1:43:32.559 for you because if my man, I see kid can 1:43:32.600 --> 1:43:36.200 be it s for you, right he is he on SVU. 1:43:36.320 --> 1:43:39.719 If he for you, he joined the season after you 1:43:39.720 --> 1:43:42.599 your your part, then. 1:43:42.760 --> 1:43:45.559 Then you know they can they can have me. They 1:43:45.600 --> 1:43:49.599 can definitely like write me in right right Evan and 1:43:49.600 --> 1:43:52.760 go like you know Evan or you know, he paid 1:43:52.800 --> 1:43:55.639 his dues, he went to the Academy. 1:43:55.400 --> 1:43:58.599 This thing, or they can have you back as somebody 1:43:58.640 --> 1:43:59.280 totally different. 1:43:59.280 --> 1:44:00.120 They could have you back. 1:44:01.840 --> 1:44:04.800 Who knows again, I look I look different now I'm 1:44:04.800 --> 1:44:06.120 a different cat. So you know. 1:44:06.520 --> 1:44:12.200 Yeah, oh memoriessh. 1:44:13.040 --> 1:44:15.920 You were on our list of guests from the very 1:44:15.960 --> 1:44:18.639 beginning in this podcast is four years old, all right, 1:44:18.720 --> 1:44:20.880 so we've been really happy to get you. 1:44:25.200 --> 1:44:26.960 That was cool. What a fucking icon. 1:44:27.160 --> 1:44:29.599 But I also love in the intro to call victim 1:44:29.600 --> 1:44:30.280 turned abuser. 1:44:31.280 --> 1:44:33.559 That's such a funny thing to put in it. Someone's 1:44:34.000 --> 1:44:34.639 so many. 1:44:34.439 --> 1:44:36.479 Are so many are We've talked about that in our 1:44:36.840 --> 1:44:39.160 on this pod a lot. But I was jazz to 1:44:39.160 --> 1:44:40.840 get to talk to him, like I have. My best 1:44:40.840 --> 1:44:42.519 friend is such a Rent head. She has like two 1:44:42.560 --> 1:44:45.559 Rent tattoos on her body. She was so excited when 1:44:45.560 --> 1:44:47.360 we talked to Anthony Rapp And then I messaged her 1:44:47.360 --> 1:44:49.040 and was like, we're talking to Angel, Like she used 1:44:49.080 --> 1:44:51.640 to make me mixes that had today for you on 1:44:51.760 --> 1:44:52.200 the mix. 1:44:52.360 --> 1:44:56.120 Like I just Angel was and just loves his fucking craft. 1:44:56.400 --> 1:44:58.960 And I just like like talking to people that are 1:44:59.040 --> 1:45:02.280 in you know, I have some insight and work hard 1:45:02.360 --> 1:45:05.519 and like, have you seen Rent in terms of like 1:45:05.560 --> 1:45:08.080 the movie or like or have you stayed on Broadway? 1:45:08.280 --> 1:45:11.880 I didn't know, Okay, I like, I just saw the 1:45:11.920 --> 1:45:15.519 movie so much. Yeah, the movies not good. 1:45:15.560 --> 1:45:17.639 I don't think. I didn't think the movie was good. 1:45:19.280 --> 1:45:22.919 But I have to see a Dina Menzel Tree Tree musical. 1:45:23.640 --> 1:45:30.200 Oh yeah, but rent on Broadway was so amazing. And 1:45:30.240 --> 1:45:31.680 maybe it's just because like I saw it as like 1:45:31.720 --> 1:45:33.680 a high schooler and was like it was like so 1:45:33.760 --> 1:45:36.880 transformative and awesome and like, but a lot of the 1:45:37.000 --> 1:45:40.400 characters are really like selfish and kind of like crazy 1:45:40.439 --> 1:45:43.240 New Yorkers, like squatting in buildings and making their dreams 1:45:43.240 --> 1:45:44.240 come true and like whatever. 1:45:44.280 --> 1:45:48.000 But Angels just like kind of pure hearted and like. 1:45:47.920 --> 1:45:51.439 So she's she's definitely like a character in the show 1:45:51.479 --> 1:45:53.479 that you're just like everybody loves Angel. 1:45:53.680 --> 1:45:55.400 So anyway, love it. 1:45:55.720 --> 1:45:58.719 Oh wait, have you seen the discourse on Sabrina Carpenter. 1:45:59.439 --> 1:46:01.519 Yeah I I have not, but I spoke about it, 1:46:02.560 --> 1:46:02.960 thank God. 1:46:03.439 --> 1:46:06.080 Yes, So I know about it, and I think it's 1:46:06.160 --> 1:46:08.679 like it's crazy, it's a little bit crazy. 1:46:10.040 --> 1:46:10.720 I saw a meme. 1:46:10.960 --> 1:46:12.760 I saw a meme that was like, well, I don't know. 1:46:12.800 --> 1:46:14.040 I guess I had to hear what you have to think. 1:46:14.360 --> 1:46:16.240 I don't like the picture and I don't like that 1:46:16.320 --> 1:46:20.080 anyone like what because I didn't know the references. I 1:46:20.080 --> 1:46:23.800 didn't know the fifties advertisements, advertisements that it's kind of 1:46:23.880 --> 1:46:28.000 like referring to so at first glance, and I feel 1:46:28.000 --> 1:46:30.920 like I'm pretty media literate, and what bothers me is 1:46:30.960 --> 1:46:33.320 like all the Instagram kind of you know, TikTok, Like 1:46:33.400 --> 1:46:37.559 the opinions of it all are very much like because 1:46:37.600 --> 1:46:40.720 people take things literally and you don't understand, and you 1:46:40.800 --> 1:46:43.479 just don't understand, and she is feminist and you're just 1:46:43.520 --> 1:46:45.320 this and you're that, and it's like, just because I 1:46:45.360 --> 1:46:47.439 don't like something, it doesn't mean I fully don't understand it. 1:46:47.479 --> 1:46:49.439 Like then, I saw the fifties ads and I'm taking 1:46:49.439 --> 1:46:52.240 it all in. And you're also allowed to like something 1:46:52.240 --> 1:46:54.320 and not be into it, even if there's like it's 1:46:54.360 --> 1:46:56.800 supposed to be satire. I don't think she nailed it, 1:46:56.880 --> 1:46:58.559 Like I'm sorry, it was a swing and a miss 1:46:58.560 --> 1:47:00.880 for me. I think it's kind of I don't like it. 1:47:01.280 --> 1:47:04.160 I don't think it's the worst thing ever I interest, 1:47:04.400 --> 1:47:06.439 but I don't like it and I don't but what 1:47:06.560 --> 1:47:07.280 is the satire? 1:47:07.360 --> 1:47:08.960 It's like, what is. 1:47:08.880 --> 1:47:12.519 It well, I didn't know that it was supposed to 1:47:12.520 --> 1:47:13.759 be satire or anything. 1:47:13.880 --> 1:47:15.479 I thought it was just kind of like a kink. 1:47:15.640 --> 1:47:15.920 I thought. 1:47:15.960 --> 1:47:17.640 She was just like yeah, I kind of like to 1:47:17.720 --> 1:47:22.920 play be like do this like BDSM type thing because 1:47:22.920 --> 1:47:29.160 it's it's what's it called again? The album man Man's 1:47:29.200 --> 1:47:30.559 Best Friend, Manchild's a song. 1:47:30.600 --> 1:47:33.679 I think the album's Man's Best Friend. Oh yeah, that's right. 1:47:33.720 --> 1:47:36.080 And people were like immediately going to do I mean, 1:47:36.160 --> 1:47:38.760 I was like I was my first take off of 1:47:38.800 --> 1:47:40.559 hearing it for two seconds and having to talk about 1:47:40.560 --> 1:47:42.800 it on another podcast was just kind of like, well 1:47:42.840 --> 1:47:45.160 that feminism is that you can do that if you want. 1:47:45.280 --> 1:47:47.519 Like if being treated like a dog is your feminist, 1:47:47.840 --> 1:47:50.000 Like is your kink and something that you actually think 1:47:50.120 --> 1:47:52.240 is hot, and you like you're allowed to have that. 1:47:52.320 --> 1:47:55.120 You're also allowed to God, you're allowed to be a 1:47:55.160 --> 1:47:57.200 trad wife. You're allowed to not be a trad wife. 1:47:57.200 --> 1:47:59.760 You know, like that's that is what feminism is. It's 1:47:59.800 --> 1:48:03.439 not just necessarily like saying that it has to be 1:48:04.080 --> 1:48:07.080 we all everything has to be impowered, like and you know, 1:48:07.080 --> 1:48:10.040 I've been reading people say stuff like everybody knows that 1:48:10.280 --> 1:48:13.799 like a submissive in a BDSM relationship has the power 1:48:13.880 --> 1:48:17.559 anyway in a way like that's this is like a 1:48:17.640 --> 1:48:20.559 land that a landscape I'm not super familiar with. But 1:48:20.640 --> 1:48:22.479 I was like, I mean, damn, if you're if your 1:48:22.520 --> 1:48:25.320 object is just to get people fucking talking and tongues wagon, 1:48:25.600 --> 1:48:26.840 you're doing a genius. 1:48:27.160 --> 1:48:28.559 I know. I just like it. 1:48:28.760 --> 1:48:34.320 The image does make me uncomfortable, and I watch pretty 1:48:34.320 --> 1:48:36.240 fucked up porn, I would say, I don't know for 1:48:36.439 --> 1:48:42.479 I don't because the people that are like saying there's 1:48:42.560 --> 1:48:46.280 more to it, I just that they're like it's satire. 1:48:46.280 --> 1:48:47.800 I don't see the satire, but I didn't think about 1:48:47.800 --> 1:48:51.200 it in the like kink kind of kink via, So 1:48:51.760 --> 1:48:56.240 do you let like like just asking what if it 1:48:56.280 --> 1:48:59.559 was like a girl's leg holding her hair. I don't know, 1:48:59.640 --> 1:49:02.479 just the it does make me uncomfortable because okay, it's 1:49:02.560 --> 1:49:04.360 kind of what we talked about with my special when 1:49:04.400 --> 1:49:07.320 like it was funny because I asked Netflix like, will 1:49:07.360 --> 1:49:10.559 you approve dumb bitch? Yeah, and they go, we love 1:49:10.640 --> 1:49:12.559 dumb bitch. We don't like night owl. And I was like, 1:49:12.600 --> 1:49:15.400 if this was a different era in time, it would 1:49:15.400 --> 1:49:17.400 be really fun to call it dumb bitch. But we're 1:49:17.439 --> 1:49:21.479 past the time of these things, because it's real when 1:49:21.520 --> 1:49:25.080 we're losing rights and we're losing a young generation of 1:49:25.120 --> 1:49:28.280 women that aren't going to college or learning and marrying 1:49:28.560 --> 1:49:31.880 very young and don't want to expand their brains to 1:49:32.000 --> 1:49:34.760 be at home and not knowing the full implications of 1:49:34.760 --> 1:49:36.920 what happens when you're forty five and maybe don't have 1:49:36.960 --> 1:49:40.120 any experience in the workforce or any knowledge all of 1:49:40.160 --> 1:49:42.920 these things. So it's like, and I talked about this 1:49:43.000 --> 1:49:45.800 on Stradio Lab with gay stuff too, where it's like 1:49:46.160 --> 1:49:49.400 it's hard sometimes to make jokes when we're living in 1:49:49.439 --> 1:49:53.120 an era that is that is really happening. 1:49:54.280 --> 1:49:57.120 That's an interesting argument. Now, that's a very interesting argument, 1:49:57.240 --> 1:50:02.320 Like cause to put that album cover coming out at 1:50:02.360 --> 1:50:04.840 the time that it's coming out, like if hairs, that's 1:50:04.880 --> 1:50:05.559 an a statement. 1:50:07.200 --> 1:50:10.200 Yeah, it would everything a statement when you're as famous 1:50:10.240 --> 1:50:10.840 as she is. 1:50:11.280 --> 1:50:14.679 So yeah, it's not just like cutie baby, like ooh, 1:50:14.800 --> 1:50:17.519 isn't this kind of sexy and provocative like you are? 1:50:17.720 --> 1:50:19.880 Like that is an argument I had not thought of 1:50:20.200 --> 1:50:20.599 because I. 1:50:20.560 --> 1:50:22.720 Looked at all the ads and it is fine. 1:50:22.720 --> 1:50:25.720 I don't know, but what people other things online I 1:50:25.760 --> 1:50:28.840 was saying was like, the spin of this would be 1:50:28.880 --> 1:50:31.360 if like she was disrespecting a guy, like if a 1:50:31.400 --> 1:50:35.160 guy was on all fours being grabbed by their hair. 1:50:37.000 --> 1:50:39.439 But then with the kink element, it's like, yeah, she's 1:50:39.479 --> 1:50:40.519 into this, this is great. 1:50:40.560 --> 1:50:40.880 I don't know. 1:50:40.920 --> 1:50:43.800 The pulling of the hair makes me uncomfortable with the 1:50:43.840 --> 1:50:46.880 satire with not whatever she's trying to flip. It's not 1:50:47.000 --> 1:50:50.240 flipping because it's happening right now, you know. 1:50:50.280 --> 1:50:50.679 What I mean. 1:50:50.760 --> 1:50:54.280 Women are being abused and losing their rights. So it's like, 1:50:55.360 --> 1:50:57.840 what is the joke, Like I you know what I mean, 1:50:58.120 --> 1:50:59.760 Like I don't get it, And then people are like, 1:51:00.000 --> 1:51:02.360 why won't anyone leave Sabrina Carboner alone. She's obviously not 1:51:02.400 --> 1:51:04.040 for the male gaze, and we talked about this where 1:51:04.040 --> 1:51:06.360 I go, she is dressing really provocative, but it is 1:51:06.400 --> 1:51:09.599 so girly. She's for the girls, and it's very clear 1:51:09.600 --> 1:51:12.040 and obvious, and the lyrics of her songs say that 1:51:12.200 --> 1:51:15.519 and all of it, And honestly, yeah, I'm into crawling around. 1:51:15.640 --> 1:51:16.160 I get that. 1:51:16.240 --> 1:51:18.240 I just my brain didn't go there because I was 1:51:18.320 --> 1:51:22.160 so uncomfortable with the image and if her goal is 1:51:22.200 --> 1:51:26.160 to make people uncomfortable with the violence against women, then 1:51:26.200 --> 1:51:26.639 I guess. 1:51:26.479 --> 1:51:27.000 She did it. 1:51:28.040 --> 1:51:29.680 Yeah, if that was her goal, You're right, I mean 1:51:29.760 --> 1:51:31.280 you could read, you could read, you could fucking do 1:51:31.360 --> 1:51:33.760 a college course on this, Like this is like the 1:51:34.640 --> 1:51:37.960 semiotics of this image, like what you see, Like when 1:51:38.040 --> 1:51:41.840 you see this image, like shecuse her hair is getting pulled, 1:51:41.840 --> 1:51:43.880 but she doesn't necessarily look like she's in pain. 1:51:44.320 --> 1:51:46.720 She looks like she's having a good time, like yeah, 1:51:46.720 --> 1:51:47.360 you know what I mean. 1:51:47.479 --> 1:51:49.439 Like it's like if she was like even doing a 1:51:49.479 --> 1:51:51.240 little bit of a WinCE, it would be like fuck. 1:51:51.360 --> 1:51:54.080 That makes it a totally different image to me, you know, 1:51:54.360 --> 1:51:55.280 And I do like that. 1:51:55.280 --> 1:51:56.760 The guy, like what they do to women a lot 1:51:56.760 --> 1:51:58.360 where just a body part and you don't know who 1:51:58.360 --> 1:52:02.200 that is, Like yeah, it's pretty cool bodied man. Yeah, 1:52:02.479 --> 1:52:06.800 And I know she's smart and you know cool. I 1:52:07.120 --> 1:52:10.320 just I want to know who the photography, who is 1:52:10.320 --> 1:52:13.200 the creative director? I wonder I would like to know 1:52:13.240 --> 1:52:15.720 if it was a guy or is it Terry Richardson? 1:52:15.800 --> 1:52:16.280 You know what I mean? 1:52:18.200 --> 1:52:20.439 Yeah, Like I hope it's it was all her idea 1:52:20.479 --> 1:52:22.559 with her stylists and all of that, and obviously a 1:52:22.600 --> 1:52:24.759 lot of talk went into it. It's a full album 1:52:24.800 --> 1:52:26.920 cover and a whole new Yeah. 1:52:26.960 --> 1:52:28.880 And I was also talking about this when I was 1:52:28.880 --> 1:52:31.360 talking about this on another podcast, was like, if this 1:52:31.439 --> 1:52:33.320 is like coming this image is coming out in like 1:52:33.840 --> 1:52:36.439 ninety nine and it's Britney Spears, I'm a little bit 1:52:36.520 --> 1:52:38.920 like because like I never got the feeling that Britney 1:52:38.960 --> 1:52:41.200 Spears was in charge of anything in her career. That's 1:52:41.240 --> 1:52:43.840 like part of like the issue with how she was 1:52:44.960 --> 1:52:47.479 how she was being treated. But when I see like 1:52:48.000 --> 1:52:50.880 Taylor Sabrina, I feel like these girls are in charge 1:52:50.880 --> 1:52:53.559 of everything. And maybe that's an image that's incorrect, but 1:52:53.680 --> 1:52:55.760 like I get a feeling that she's in charge in 1:52:55.800 --> 1:52:57.439 that she probably had her hands all over this. 1:52:57.920 --> 1:52:59.120 Yeah, Like I'm looking at it. 1:52:59.080 --> 1:53:01.640 And I also don't like line when it's like like 1:53:01.720 --> 1:53:03.720 we should all have known, you just don't know. It's 1:53:03.720 --> 1:53:06.560 about fifties ads, you fucking idiots, and it's like, yeah, yeah, no, 1:53:06.640 --> 1:53:08.360 I didn't know that. Now I'm looking at them, I'm 1:53:08.360 --> 1:53:10.360 taking it all in. But this idea that like you all. 1:53:10.320 --> 1:53:13.600 Knew immediately like where this was coming from. And if you. 1:53:13.600 --> 1:53:16.040 Don't, every girl I was born in the nineties was 1:53:16.080 --> 1:53:18.080 immediately making fifties out references. 1:53:18.200 --> 1:53:20.200 But if we weren't in the Maga era of going 1:53:20.320 --> 1:53:22.960 back to this. They are actively trying to take us 1:53:23.000 --> 1:53:23.559 back to this. 1:53:24.080 --> 1:53:28.240 That's okay, That's an argument that I think is very interesting. Anyway, 1:53:29.000 --> 1:53:33.200 this episode is obviously so fucked up, but like I said, 1:53:33.200 --> 1:53:36.519 when we were when we were recapping, like it is 1:53:37.200 --> 1:53:39.640 very interesting to me that even as far back as 1:53:39.680 --> 1:53:43.160 season one, this show was kind of like fucking with 1:53:43.240 --> 1:53:46.519 the idea of it's a cycle. Like a lot of 1:53:46.520 --> 1:53:48.200 this stuff is a cycle, and I know it's like 1:53:48.320 --> 1:53:51.920 not an excuse, but like in this specific episode, like 1:53:52.000 --> 1:53:55.519 this feels like a guy who was being absolutely coerced, 1:53:55.560 --> 1:53:59.679 like he's brainwashed by this man, and nobody thought about 1:53:59.720 --> 1:54:02.240 how it was that this white man moved into a 1:54:02.240 --> 1:54:04.759 black neighborhood and just started giving lessons to all the children. 1:54:04.920 --> 1:54:08.200 Like I'm just surprised that like no one caught on 1:54:08.320 --> 1:54:12.520 to this sooner, but I guess they were also focused. 1:54:12.040 --> 1:54:21.880 On Redo guzzamando, but damn it is. And congrats to 1:54:21.920 --> 1:54:24.200 the people who got my Marishka tickets. 1:54:24.200 --> 1:54:24.920 I hope you had fun. 1:54:25.320 --> 1:54:28.599 Oh I got damned people had fun, just two people, 1:54:28.640 --> 1:54:29.360 But yeah, I. 1:54:29.240 --> 1:54:30.840 Want to watch that. Is that out already? On Age 1:54:30.880 --> 1:54:34.800 it'll be out. Yeah, you just premiered. It just premiered, Yeah, 1:54:34.880 --> 1:54:36.760 yeah yeah, And I have a show tonight. 1:54:36.760 --> 1:54:38.920 But I've been having nightmares, like kind of with school 1:54:38.960 --> 1:54:40.960 since I took eight days off. I was on the 1:54:41.040 --> 1:54:43.480 trip that like I forgot all my jokes. Like I've 1:54:43.480 --> 1:54:45.320 been having nightmares where I'm on stage and I don't 1:54:45.360 --> 1:54:46.560 know any of my jokes and none of them are 1:54:46.600 --> 1:54:47.800 working and I can't get them out. 1:54:48.520 --> 1:54:51.360 Oh that's because you never take like long breaks. 1:54:51.520 --> 1:54:51.760 No. 1:54:52.920 --> 1:54:55.960 I actually just did a set on Saturday for the 1:54:56.040 --> 1:54:57.600 Cracked thing that people are doing. 1:54:57.680 --> 1:54:59.360 I saw some comics from I saw Tom. 1:54:59.240 --> 1:55:03.400 Takar I saw, but I wrote a bunch of new 1:55:03.480 --> 1:55:05.040 jokes for it, and I've been like working them out 1:55:05.080 --> 1:55:07.120 around town and was like, wow, I forgot how much 1:55:07.160 --> 1:55:09.120 I love stand up when I have new stuff, Like, 1:55:09.240 --> 1:55:11.600 you know, it's really fun, but. 1:55:11.760 --> 1:55:12.480 Okay, so funny. 1:55:12.560 --> 1:55:14.960 My sister said something like she doesn't understand why Brad 1:55:15.280 --> 1:55:17.720 or like, when you're that rich, why would you continue working? 1:55:17.760 --> 1:55:21.080 And I'm like, they like it, they like to make movies. 1:55:21.720 --> 1:55:23.240 But she she was like, I just I don't know 1:55:23.240 --> 1:55:24.440 they have enough. I'm like, I think it's weird to 1:55:24.440 --> 1:55:26.760 do commercials. But also if someone's giving you fifteen million 1:55:26.760 --> 1:55:28.600 dollars to hear a watch, I don't know why you wouldn't. 1:55:28.680 --> 1:55:30.280 But you always say when somebody is just like a 1:55:30.320 --> 1:55:32.240 NEPO that's super rich, why do they work at all? 1:55:32.480 --> 1:55:34.640 Well, I think they should just be more service oriented. 1:55:34.800 --> 1:55:38.480 I don't understand. Yeah, I don't understand the earth. And 1:55:38.520 --> 1:55:42.120 it's like do photography, do the stuff, but why do 1:55:42.160 --> 1:55:45.920 you have to make Like I don't get it, like 1:55:46.000 --> 1:55:47.920 do the thing, but there's no pressure on you. Like 1:55:47.960 --> 1:55:50.040 I just don't get why people with that much are 1:55:50.040 --> 1:55:53.040 not service minded in any capacity, Cause it's. 1:55:52.880 --> 1:55:54.640 Sudden to be like I need to make my mom 1:55:54.720 --> 1:55:55.200 proud of me. 1:55:55.280 --> 1:55:57.360 And it's like with a fashion line, you're sixty five, 1:55:57.440 --> 1:56:03.240 No one's a press, no one's impressed that you had 1:56:03.280 --> 1:56:05.960 other employees do something for you and put together this 1:56:06.080 --> 1:56:07.160 adult talent show. 1:56:07.200 --> 1:56:09.960 This is humiliating. Oh my god, oh my god. There's 1:56:10.080 --> 1:56:10.880 such a good read. 1:56:11.080 --> 1:56:14.040 I saw online and it was Tricia Pats played Radio 1:56:14.080 --> 1:56:16.520 City Music Hall. Yeah, I saw and so there was 1:56:16.560 --> 1:56:20.800 like a security guard. His face is like the confusion 1:56:20.840 --> 1:56:24.600 of like why is this adult for? Like what is that? 1:56:24.640 --> 1:56:26.760 What's happening? Because Radio City. 1:56:26.960 --> 1:56:28.760 Even if you don't get the PIP or something, there's 1:56:28.800 --> 1:56:31.760 like a level of prestige. I would say, if you 1:56:31.800 --> 1:56:34.320 perform there or like some sort of skill. But it's 1:56:34.360 --> 1:56:38.440 like just a woman singing poorly and the security guard 1:56:38.560 --> 1:56:39.480 is so confused. 1:56:40.120 --> 1:56:41.200 This is what happens when. 1:56:41.040 --> 1:56:42.760 You can eat a full pizza on YouTube and get 1:56:42.760 --> 1:56:45.440 people to be excited about that. I guess, well, but 1:56:45.600 --> 1:56:48.000 I like her, that's the thing. She's so good spirited. 1:56:48.040 --> 1:56:50.320 I also like, I love Brittany Broski. I like that 1:56:50.360 --> 1:56:52.760 the Kombuchi girl has like a whole umpire, Like I 1:56:52.880 --> 1:56:53.240 like her. 1:56:53.280 --> 1:56:57.040 You know, Brittany's so funny. She's like really talented and 1:56:57.080 --> 1:56:59.000 she's a great singer. I'm liking like I think her 1:56:59.040 --> 1:57:02.880 voice is great, but that it is funny when like 1:57:03.080 --> 1:57:05.480 somebody goes from like cause like you could either be 1:57:05.520 --> 1:57:07.880 Komuca girl for ten minutes, but she parlated into something 1:57:07.880 --> 1:57:09.600 more because she has talent, like Tan Mom. 1:57:09.680 --> 1:57:11.760 We don't have Tan Mom anymore. But it's kind of. 1:57:11.680 --> 1:57:15.440 Like Nikki's Glazer's Golden Globe joke too, where it's like 1:57:16.000 --> 1:57:17.880 the whole point of the arts is to become so 1:57:17.920 --> 1:57:20.160 successful that you make a tequila brand and never have 1:57:20.240 --> 1:57:22.920 to make art again. Yeah, you know, And it's all 1:57:22.960 --> 1:57:24.920 these people being like all of you are making money 1:57:24.920 --> 1:57:28.440 off Mexicans and tequila and everything, and you're fucking silent 1:57:28.520 --> 1:57:29.000 and don't how. 1:57:29.080 --> 1:57:31.160 I don't know. It's just I don't know. 1:57:31.200 --> 1:57:32.960 I've never been in a position where people want to 1:57:32.960 --> 1:57:34.800 give me money to do limited work and go into 1:57:34.800 --> 1:57:37.400 business like. I don't know, but I definitely understand. I 1:57:37.440 --> 1:57:38.960 want to work forever. It's like, I don't want to 1:57:38.960 --> 1:57:41.440 go to retire. I hope I like perform. I like it. 1:57:42.200 --> 1:57:43.720 I just got off the phone with my mom, who 1:57:43.720 --> 1:57:45.760 I told you retired a few months ago. She's looking 1:57:45.800 --> 1:57:48.480 for part time work. She's going to get a new 1:57:48.480 --> 1:57:50.360 certification and start to get a new My. 1:57:50.360 --> 1:57:53.400 Dad's back at the pool. Yeah, thirty one. It's good though. 1:57:54.000 --> 1:57:55.040 I think it's good for your mind. 1:57:55.080 --> 1:57:57.360 I think it's good for your spirit to like keep 1:57:57.560 --> 1:58:01.240 at something not like full time gruel, but like you 1:58:01.320 --> 1:58:02.240 know something. 1:58:02.840 --> 1:58:07.160 Yeah, hopefully people can still retire. Yeah, well hopefully we'll see. Well, 1:58:07.160 --> 1:58:08.879 maybe there'll be a special camp for them. 1:58:10.200 --> 1:58:13.200 When we all go to the camps, when we all 1:58:13.240 --> 1:58:14.960 go to the health camps. Our case sending us to 1:58:15.000 --> 1:58:17.480 health camps. It's gonna be great. Okay, let's get into 1:58:17.520 --> 1:58:20.000 what would Sister Peg Do? This is our weekly segment 1:58:20.000 --> 1:58:25.640 where we direct you towards an organization or a book, 1:58:25.760 --> 1:58:28.120 a documentary, something that has to do with today's episode 1:58:28.160 --> 1:58:30.200 that we covered today. We're gonna go move a little 1:58:30.200 --> 1:58:32.920 bit away from this. What we covered in today's episode, 1:58:32.920 --> 1:58:36.120 we have highlighted many, many organizations that deal with child 1:58:36.200 --> 1:58:40.000 abuse and child sexual abuse as well. So go back 1:58:40.000 --> 1:58:44.120 into our WWSPD highlight on our Instagram and you can 1:58:44.400 --> 1:58:47.360 scroll back into where there's three different highlights of all 1:58:47.360 --> 1:58:49.680 of our our what would Sister Peg dos? But today 1:58:49.720 --> 1:58:53.960 I really wanted to focus on an organization that's helping 1:58:54.000 --> 1:58:56.640 the situation here in Los Angeles with these ice raids, 1:58:56.640 --> 1:58:59.920 which I find to be so horrific. I have I'm 1:59:00.000 --> 1:59:02.440 I'm like helping a friend right now who's undocumented, who 1:59:02.480 --> 1:59:04.520 is like scared that she's going to be deported and 1:59:04.560 --> 1:59:06.280 not be able to be with her child. It's like 1:59:06.400 --> 1:59:10.080 so disgusting what they're doing. It's not I don't think. 1:59:10.320 --> 1:59:12.640 I don't think it's what some of these people voted for, 1:59:12.680 --> 1:59:14.080 but I think it's what a lot of them voted for. 1:59:14.520 --> 1:59:18.640 And it's unconstitutional and gross and not who we are 1:59:18.720 --> 1:59:21.120 as a country. So I'd like to point everybody to CHURLA, 1:59:21.200 --> 1:59:25.600 which is the Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights. The organization 1:59:25.680 --> 1:59:27.800 was founded in nineteen eighty six to advance the human 1:59:27.800 --> 1:59:31.520 and civil rights of immigrants and refugees. It is based 1:59:31.520 --> 1:59:35.320 in Los Angeles. They organize communities to fight harmful policies 1:59:35.320 --> 1:59:38.240 and demand equity and justice from our government. They've been 1:59:38.240 --> 1:59:41.600 doing a lot during these raids and I really support 1:59:41.640 --> 1:59:44.680 their work, and I know my city council person does, 1:59:44.720 --> 1:59:46.080 and sort of a lot of the other city council 1:59:46.120 --> 1:59:49.520 people that I support. So for more information or to donate, 1:59:49.560 --> 1:59:56.440 head over to Cchirla dot org Curla dot org. 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