1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, radio News. 2 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 2: Single best idea after one of the most exhausting weeks 3 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:20,279 Speaker 2: in decades and decades. I'm not going to bore you 4 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:23,279 Speaker 2: with what's happened here. You can do your own look 5 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 2: back on how you perceive this week in economics, finance, investment, 6 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 2: truly in international relations. One of our stellar guests on 7 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 2: this Jobsday Friday just said, simply, it's a revolution of 8 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 2: finance in Japan and across Europe, and of course particularly 9 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 2: with the leadership of Germany. This after all the uproar 10 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 2: of Ukraine. There was a tweet late in the show 11 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 2: this morning from the President of the United States. By 12 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 2: the time you listen to the single best idea today, 13 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 2: I don't know where we are. What I do know 14 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 2: is we had Pria Misery with us with JP Morgan. 15 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 2: She was just wonderful synthesizing this all into what price 16 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 2: and yield will do. Here is Pria misra on this 17 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 2: Jobs Day. 18 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:10,960 Speaker 3: So I know cash feels good because you get that 19 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 3: four percent yield. Here's what cash will not do for 20 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 3: you is give you any reversification benefit. So that's why 21 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 3: we've been seeing inflows into fixed income. But you just 22 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 3: have to look at price action, whether it was deep 23 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:25,679 Speaker 3: seek Monday or tariff Tuesday. I guess tariff Wednesday, Thursday 24 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 3: as well, or today if you get a weaker payroll 25 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 3: report and risk acids struggle because you know, the President 26 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 3: said little discomfort. I mean, I think some of us 27 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 3: might be feeling a little more than that. But I 28 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 3: think they're telling you that their pain point is not here. 29 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 3: So you need something that will help you stay in 30 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 3: risk assets, fixed income, high quality, fixed income duration. Actually 31 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 3: that's what's going to work, because the market's only pricing 32 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 3: in a few cuts here right even though the FED 33 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 3: is not likely to start to cut rates anytime soon. 34 00:01:57,160 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 3: Markets forward looking, and if the economy is slowing down, 35 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 3: if the uncertainty shock is enough to increase the risk 36 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 3: of a recession, the market can price in many mock cuts. 37 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 2: Primusra of JP Morgan. They're working with Bob Michael, of 38 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 2: course managing bond portfolios for total return and as she said, 39 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 2: a good coupon right now among the worries. Thank you 40 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 2: Claudia Sam for her wonderful perspective around the jobs report. 41 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 2: We did ask doctor Sam about the beginning ideas of 42 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 2: a growth slow down. She pushed very hard against in 43 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 2: any way modeling out recession. After her, it was Ellen 44 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 2: Zenner of Morgan Stanley with thematic investing there with all 45 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 2: her economics on the consumer. And to Ellen Zenner we 46 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 2: talked about well about risk and uncertainty and this idea 47 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 2: of is there any certitude to be had in twenty 48 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 2: twenty five. 49 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: It can be very pervasive if it's sustained now in 50 00:02:56,080 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: the twenties and on through say the seventies. Right, certainty 51 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 1: we would be reflected in sentiment. But and it told 52 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: you exactly what businesses and households were going to do. 53 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: And I'm talking specifically about University of Michigan, the rise 54 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 1: of the sentiment surveys in the nineteen fifties onwards. Today, 55 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: uncertainty impacts sentiment, but it doesn't necessarily tell you what 56 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: you're going to do. Right, my husband will tell you 57 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 1: that I shop when I feel great, I shop when 58 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: I feel like help. Okay, But if it is sustained 59 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 1: at high levels, it will start to permeate business investment decisions, 60 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 1: household spending decisions when people can't plan. And I'm looking 61 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: at the Trade policy Uncertainty index which has gone through 62 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: the roof, and it has surpassed the previous record set 63 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: in August of twenty nineteen. And that is what you're 64 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: seeing in these surveys, and businesses are saying, I can't do. 65 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 2: This, Ellen Zentner, on this job's day. I can't say 66 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 2: enough about the conversations this week, even with Margaret Brennan 67 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 2: of Faceinination and CBS and of course here Face the 68 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 2: Nation on Bloomberg Radio in New Washington, New York and 69 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 2: Boston here Sunday at two pm. But I just I 70 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 2: can't imagine where we will be one week from today 71 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:19,600 Speaker 2: and your commute across the nation. It is Bloomberg surveillance 72 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 2: and YouTube podcasts at single best idea