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Speaker 2: Welcome to an army of normal folks. I'm Bill Courtney.

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Speaker 2: I'm a normal guy. I'm a husband, a father, an entrepreneur,

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Speaker 1: So we met, and as Scout positions go or Scout

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Speaker 2: which means I'm sixty four and a half percent dead.

436
00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 2: And it's just true. It's just true. And so at

437
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:22,000
Speaker 2: thirty five, you're somewhere between forty and fifty percent dead.

438
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:24,639
Speaker 2: And I think it's only natural to look at your

439
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:28,680
Speaker 2: life and start wondering about what your where you are,

440
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:32,280
Speaker 2: what your thought processes are. And so this is an

441
00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,320
Speaker 2: army of normal folks. All of what we talked about

442
00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,680
Speaker 2: has done nothing but established that you're just a normal dude,

443
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:43,919
Speaker 2: fighting normal insecurities and everything else, trying to do the

444
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,080
Speaker 2: right thing, trying to make a living, trying to provide

445
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:49,560
Speaker 2: for your family. And then oddly you find this level

446
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 2: of happiness building a bed, yeah, I mean how cool

447
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 2: is that? Right? Oh? And watching a bunch of young

448
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:02,240
Speaker 2: deacons or whatever you called them, Yeah, putting down consoles

449
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:07,120
Speaker 2: and helping building that and learning what selflessness well, and uh.

450
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,120
Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong, there was some there was some

451
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 1: selfishness about it too. You know, when people volunteer, there's

452
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:14,840
Speaker 1: always a little bit of selfishness behind it, and of

453
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,879
Speaker 1: course there is you know, uh for me. You know,

454
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:22,880
Speaker 1: here I was plagued with the thought that I'm being

455
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,679
Speaker 1: led down the Satan's path because I was losing my

456
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:29,440
Speaker 1: testimony about my faith and all this, you know, and

457
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:34,639
Speaker 1: and I just kept thinking, if that's true, then a

458
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,439
Speaker 1: does a guy being led down that path really have

459
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:41,959
Speaker 1: this much desire to help a child? And it it

460
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 1: really dawned on me, I guess Bill. I took that

461
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 1: moment and said, you know what, I really, honestly, for

462
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 1: the first time in my life, I'm gonna be honest

463
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:54,879
Speaker 1: with this myself. I don't care what religion you or

464
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,719
Speaker 1: I or whoever is, I don't care. Great if that

465
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:01,119
Speaker 1: brings you happiness and joy, awesome, I don't. I couldn't

466
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 1: tell you whether it's right or wrong. I'm not going

467
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,239
Speaker 1: to guess whether it's right or wrong. But what I

468
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:11,119
Speaker 1: do know for a fact, without whatever whatever deity you believe, in,

469
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 1: helping a child get a bed is just the right

470
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Speaker 1: thing to do.

471
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Speaker 2: That's beautiful. And I'm gonna I'm gonna share two things

472
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:25,119
Speaker 2: with you. One, this is not a theological podcast. And

473
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:27,880
Speaker 2: you know, I guess after this we might as well

474
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 2: talk about politics, but not in Texas. But not Texas.

475
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 2: We're closed to Texas. But you know, some would say

476
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,399
Speaker 2: that when you do a bunch of good deeds, it

477
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 2: provides favor for your salvation. And I would say, if

478
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 2: that's true, how does a stillborn child ever make it down?

479
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 2: And if it's not for grace, there is no chance.

480
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,639
Speaker 2: And so it's not what we do to earn favor.

481
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 2: It's that we do things and appreciation of favor of grace.

482
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 2: And the flip side of that is how good it

483
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,440
Speaker 2: feels when you can share that grace with another human being,

484
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 2: and that leads to that leads to all kinds of

485
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 2: conflict resolution in my opinion, and what I mean by

486
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 2: that is personal conflict resolution, because I agree with you,

487
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 2: the things that I've done for other people in my

488
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 2: life have been far warmer soup for my soul than

489
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 2: the things that I've received in this life. And I

490
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,400
Speaker 2: think that's the beauty of an army at normal folks.

491
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 2: Is normal folks struggling to just do life, and then

492
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 2: they find something to do for somewhere one else, and

493
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 2: the payoff is they get fifty times more out of

494
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,119
Speaker 2: it than they put into it, and it sounds like

495
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 2: that's your experience.

496
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 1: Well, and I also learn at least my view, and

497
00:25:57,800 --> 00:25:59,159
Speaker 1: I appreciate you're exactly right.

498
00:25:59,200 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 2: I love that.

499
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 1: I looked at what I was doing. Is you know

500
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 1: what too many of us, I think, let's just call

501
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 1: a spade of spade. You go to church, you're seeing

502
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 1: the hymns, you read your scriptures. You know you're doing

503
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 1: these things because you're told that's the right thing to do.

504
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 1: Whether it is or not, great, I don't care, but

505
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 1: that doesn't really help anybody in this world right now.

506
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:27,959
Speaker 1: And I just felt like, you know what, I appreciate

507
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,159
Speaker 1: that all those things may be in the favor of

508
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,159
Speaker 1: the Lord and make you know whatever is going to

509
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 1: happen in this life after this life builds a mansion

510
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 1: in heaven for me. Okay, that's great. But what I

511
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 1: do know is there's a child in this world right

512
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,919
Speaker 1: now that needs my help. Right I can pray, I

513
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,439
Speaker 1: can read my scriptures, I can be as righteous as

514
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 1: I want, but if I don't lift a finger, then

515
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 1: that poor kid is going to suffer.

516
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it almost seems like it's a little hypocritical to

517
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 2: set and that one of the knows that actually Alex

518
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:08,400
Speaker 2: sitting over here on the controls. One of the reasons

519
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 2: he and I even are hanging out together doing this

520
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 2: thing is I said in an interview that there's overpasses

521
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 2: in every major city that when you drive over it,

522
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:28,160
Speaker 2: you look down there and you see the abject helplessness

523
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:33,360
Speaker 2: and loss and despair and hopelessness and poverty, and when

524
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 2: you drive over it, it's you know, it's not overpass. You

525
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 2: don't want to flat tyre on right, And when you

526
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:40,919
Speaker 2: look over it, you think, gosh, somebody had to do

527
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 2: something about that, and then you keep driving as if

528
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 2: that empty sentiment actually matters. The thing you should be

529
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 2: saying is gosh, what can I do about that? And

530
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 2: your points, while taken, is that there's all kinds of

531
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 2: things in your faith that are good for you your

532
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 2: soul and good for other souls. But faith without action

533
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:04,880
Speaker 2: is just hypocrisy. Man.

534
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 1: You know, my mom used to say, great, say, I'm

535
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,159
Speaker 1: sure it's not just hers, but she said, you know,

536
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 1: good intentions are as a paved way to hell, And

537
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,919
Speaker 1: I never really understood that until that exact thing. You know,

538
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 1: we can have all the great intentions in the work,

539
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: but if you don't lift a finger, what really good

540
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 1: are they?

541
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 2: So you delivered your first bed to the bus driving

542
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 2: ladies family who lived in a house in a town

543
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 2: of three thousand that was in such a bad place

544
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 2: nobody even knew where it was correct, And you saw

545
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 2: the excitement in your young jacket group's eye over what

546
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 2: they did, and you did even get to go deliver it.

547
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 2: But you heard the stories and you thought, nobody in

548
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,719
Speaker 2: my town is going to sleep on the floor.

549
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: Well, what exactly what really happened? There was sitting in

550
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 1: that couch after I heard those kids talk and you know,

551
00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 1: again a culmination of work and faith and all this stuff,

552
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 1: and just feeling down and I could feel myself just

553
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 1: kind of going down this dark hole again like I

554
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: had been. And and here this whole week I just

555
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: built this bed with these kids. I was just on

556
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 1: the fired up. And then that could just feel me sink,

557
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: you know. And then when my kids said that, when

558
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: they said, Dad, you know, hey, we want another Xbox,

559
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: something clicked.

560
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 2: Bill.

561
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: I just went, I gotta get my part of my

562
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 1: French off this couch and get my kids out in

563
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 1: the garage and we're gonna build another bed. I don't

564
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 1: know what to do with it. I don't know anybody

565
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 1: that needs it, right, And so I got up the couch.

566
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 2: Build bed building therapy.

567
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: Serious, seriously, yeah, And we went out and I had

568
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: some extra would right, So we built. We built another

569
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: bed with my kids.

570
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 2: You know.

571
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: I got pictures of my nine year old son and

572
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: my six year old daughter and my my one year

573
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: old walking around of drilling. I mean, it was just

574
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 1: a great time with my kids. It was great times. Yeah,

575
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: I was great. But then we were done. I had

576
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: this bed, this bunk be I had no idea what

577
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: to do with it, and so I was someone recommended,

578
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: you know, why don't you just put it on Facebook?

579
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: And I said, are you kidding me? Like, the only

580
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: thing I put on Facebook or pictures of my sturgeon

581
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 1: that I catch, that's it.

582
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 2: That's it. Yeah.

583
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: And so I said, okay, we'll put on one of

584
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 1: these bicelling trade groups, you know. And really the message was, hey,

585
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 1: my family and I built this bed as a Christmas project.

586
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: We want to give it to another child or family

587
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 1: has children sleeping on the floor? Does anybody know? And

588
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: I had no idea what kind of response I would get.

589
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: I figured there'd be a lot of well free bed

590
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, hand up, I'll take it. Although we got

591
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: some of that, I was shocked of how many people

592
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: contacted me and said, what are you doing? How can

593
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 1: I help? Can I bring some pills? So? Can I

594
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 1: bring some food? Can I bring some presents? It was

595
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 1: kind of a really neat thing. It really fired me

596
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: up for it. And it wasn't until one of my

597
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: actually I served my mission. She was in my mission.

598
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: Another sister missionary a long time ago obviously called me up.

599
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: She says, hey, I've got the perfect family for you.

600
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 2: We'll be right back.

601
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 1: She told me about it, called my Haley story. Haley

602
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: or Mom were homeless and it had been living in

603
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 1: a car. Haley had never known a bed. She had

604
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 1: slept in the back.

605
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 2: Seat of homes car. She was six six years old,

606
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 2: six years old and had never known a bed and

607
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 2: was sleeping in a car. Correct. And this is in

608
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 2: Twin Falls, Idaho.

609
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 1: They actually lived in birth Falls, Idaho.

610
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 2: Has this idyllic, seemingly Norman walkwell filled to it. When

611
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 2: I say Twin Falls, well, it's you don't think of

612
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 2: homeless people in cars? I don't. I mean, I don't

613
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 2: it's Idaho. I thought everything was okay and out of.

614
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 1: Oh well, and this is a very wealthy, fairly wealthy community.

615
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: It's like a retirement community. I mean it's called Twin

616
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 1: Falls because it's got a it's got a deeper waterfall

617
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 1: than Niagara Falls. It's really neat.

618
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 2: I get that. It's beautiful. You just in Twin Falls.

619
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 2: I mean if you were saying Chicago, okay, or Milwaukee.

620
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 1: Or Antella, I had no or even Bois, Yeah, I

621
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: had no idea. I had no idea.

622
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 2: Okay. So so she tells you about Haley is a

623
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 2: six year old little girl, yep.

624
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: And and so we're like, absolutely, this is the one.

625
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 2: We're great.

626
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 1: But me and my my buddy went out to deliver

627
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 1: this bed to Haley. Now at this time, they finally

628
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: had a house, right, they just barely got I mean

629
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: moved in a couple of days before that, and Bill

630
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: I walked into this written I don't know, I don't know.

631
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 2: They got they got a house, apartment or.

632
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 1: It was a house. It was really really run down.

633
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 2: How you can imagine Haley and her and her mom,

634
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 2: and that's it.

635
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: There wasn't another daughter there. I didn't get to meet.

636
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 2: But again, a single mom got a job somewhere and

637
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 2: maybe a little extra help from the government or something. Yeah,

638
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 2: finally got into something. I think the local kind of

639
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 2: a rundown thing in the local church was helping.

640
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean so. And I dealt with homelessness before,

641
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 1: I've seen it, you know whatnot, But when you walk

642
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: into a home with the thought of a child and

643
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: seeing it through a child's eyes, it took on a

644
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 1: whole new meaning to me.

645
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 2: Nothing, I mean nothing.

646
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: There was a hot plate with a can of soup

647
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: on a milk carton.

648
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 2: That was it.

649
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 1: That was the only thing in the house.

650
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 2: I didn't have a stove.

651
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: They had they had a built in stove, and they

652
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: had a refrigera so that was it. But there was

653
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: no couch, table, chair, not even a chair, TV, no,

654
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 1: of course not. And so I was like, oh my

655
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: literally literally nothing. That was four walls, well there was

656
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: walls and a floor. But Haley, the six year old girl,

657
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 1: was just so excited a to interact. She was one

658
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 1: of these just joyful kids at least she was around us,

659
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: had no idea why we're there, and doesn't know me

660
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 1: for Adam and says, come look at my room, right,

661
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: you know, we walk into her room and you can imagine,

662
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: I mean there's holes in the carpet and scratches on

663
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,240
Speaker 1: the wall kind of yeah, I mean there was probably

664
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: some government yeah exactly. And in the closet there was

665
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: used toys and dolls and stuff that I'm sure she

666
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 1: got donated to her and stuff like that. But what

667
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: stopped me was in the corner was a pile of

668
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 1: clothes and that was that was where she slept. It

669
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 1: was it was her mattress, a little nest she had made.

670
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 2: That was it. The clothes she also wore, exactly.

671
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,359
Speaker 1: So Haley's routine was she'd come home from school, take

672
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 1: her clothes off, put her PJS on, sleep on whatever

673
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 1: clothes were there, and then repeat and go to school

674
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:39,879
Speaker 1: the next day.

675
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,959
Speaker 2: She literally slept on her clothing. Correct or she wore

676
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 2: her bed to school.

677
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:47,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good way of putting it. She wore

678
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: her bed to school.

679
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 2: That is terrible, I.

680
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: Know, and I I was so shocked at the time

681
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 1: because I'd never seen that before. I mean, my gosh,

682
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,359
Speaker 1: who what child doesn't have a bed, that doesn't even

683
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 1: have a mattress of some sorts. And so we got

684
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,320
Speaker 1: pretty excited about bringing this bed and now we couldn't

685
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: fit it through the door. Back then, we didn't. We

686
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: brought him in as assembled as we could.

687
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 2: Learned. Oh yeah, turns around corners. You know.

688
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: It was December tenth. It was freezing, you know, so

689
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 1: we're taking the headboards off anyway, So we bring them

690
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 1: in and you could see little Haley like trying to

691
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: figure out what we were doing. And then when it

692
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 1: got together enough that she realized to bed, she just

693
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 1: kind of blew up.

694
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 2: I just was it. Did you have mattresses? Oh, yeah,

695
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 2: we got We.

696
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: We do the whole We do the whole nine yards. Yeah,

697
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 1: we don't leave a.

698
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 2: House unless they She seemed to actually have her first

699
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 2: night sleep because of what you and your kids did

700
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:41,280
Speaker 2: in your garage.

701
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,959
Speaker 1: And I've never seen a child kiss, hug and kiss

702
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: a bed before. And if that wasn't enough to just

703
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 1: wipe the tears away, I looked up at the mom.

704
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 1: Now here's a single mom, six years of struggle trying

705
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,439
Speaker 1: to provide safe probably pretty tough. Oh my god, she's

706
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: a tough lady, really neat lady, just balling her eyes out,

707
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 1: and she she really got emotional. Win we started bringing

708
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 1: in the pillows and the sheet sets and the quilts

709
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: and stuff for her for her daughters because she didn't

710
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 1: expect that. And that's when it hit me, you know,

711
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:22,879
Speaker 1: being raised by a single mom too. I it really

712
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: struck home.

713
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 2: Now.

714
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 1: I was very fortunate I didn't have to experience that,

715
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 1: but I wasn't far from that. And I got on

716
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 1: the car, you know, when it was about a thirty

717
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 1: minute drive from my house, Me and my buddy where

718
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,399
Speaker 1: Jordan Allen, were in the car, and we didn't say

719
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 1: much to each other for thirty minutes and find the

720
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 1: shock total shock, total shock, and overwhelmed just spiritually emotionally.

721
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: It was just I mean, two adult football playing buddies

722
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 1: crying in their big truck coming home. Is probably one

723
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 1: of those things where I wish I had a camera

724
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: or I'm glad I didn't rather, but I remember I

725
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: got home and I just I looked at you and

726
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: I said, you know what, no kid, and I was

727
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 1: it was a mixu you know on the football field

728
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 1: where you're just you're you're in between emotional, you're like

729
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 1: pissed off, but you're you're happy at the same time. Right,

730
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna we're gonna score that touchdown. I

731
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: don't care who's in my way. We're going to And I.

732
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,439
Speaker 2: Just looked down the city a dremaline just pumping.

733
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,479
Speaker 1: Just pump, and I just said, almost mad. I said,

734
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: there's no kid that's going to sleep on the floor

735
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: in my town if I have anything to do with it.

736
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 1: And right then, starting that day on, I went to

737
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 1: different stores, you know, Home Depot, landed at Low's. The

738
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: guy that Lows said, yeah, I told him what I

739
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,320
Speaker 1: was doing, right, and he says, fifty percent off anything

740
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: you want. And I was like, oh my gosh. So

741
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,359
Speaker 1: we took I mean, I took my whole Christmas fund

742
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:57,399
Speaker 1: and we ended up we ended up building twenty two beds,

743
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,760
Speaker 1: two twenty two beds, and delivered them all before Christmas.

744
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 2: Hold it, what did what? What was the date when

745
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 2: Haley got her bed?

746
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:06,760
Speaker 1: So I built my first bed December seventh?

747
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:13,240
Speaker 2: So you built twenty two beds in fourteen and eighteen

748
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 2: days and delivered Yeah it was your kidding. Oh no,

749
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:18,240
Speaker 2: well you did was built bump.

750
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 1: Oh it was it was all I did the whole

751
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: three weeks of Christmas. And it was funny. It's like there's.

752
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 2: Nobody was getting their water checked. You're building beds.

753
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 1: Well, I had to do it at night, you know,

754
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 1: and I had friends come over and help me. And

755
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 1: that was a fun part too. I was I was

756
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 1: reuniting with twenty year old friends I hadn't seen some

757
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 1: high school because they saw it on Facebook and they

758
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: wanted to come in and help. I mean, I guys driving.

759
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: My buddy came down from Boise to come help me

760
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 1: as far as two hours, no kid, no kid, and

761
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: he'd come down stay the night. We build a couple

762
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 1: of bits, and it was really funny.

763
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 2: He get drinkity beer. Why are you building?

764
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:52,959
Speaker 1: We were Mormon. We didn't drink beer at that time.

765
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 1: I apologize, not even coffee. Maybe a lot of Monster.

766
00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:58,800
Speaker 2: I don't get how that works.

767
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 1: But but what was cool is is you know, it

768
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 1: was fun.

769
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 2: I'm a Presbyterian. We did drink a lot of beer.

770
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 2: Build the beds probably would have been everything's okay.

771
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: But as we built them, we got a little bit

772
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 1: better and a little bit better. So I remember one

773
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 1: time I'm like, oh my gosh, we just built now,

774
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 1: not sanded or stained, which took some time built them,

775
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: but we erected a bed in two hours.

776
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like it was unbelievable Nascar stuff.

777
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 1: Well, it used to be that we built a bed.

778
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: We just did a build. Of course, we had a

779
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 1: lot of chapters there. We built a bed every thirty

780
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 1: two seconds.

781
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to talk about that. So you built

782
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:46,800
Speaker 2: twenty two beds in seventeen days. And at this point

783
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,439
Speaker 2: it's no longer just built a bed for a kid

784
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 2: in your garage. It's become kind of a thing.

785
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

786
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 2: So you got these twenty two beds out, and you

787
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 2: know what's a thing? Now? So when did you name it?

788
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:01,879
Speaker 1: That's a funny thing we get.

789
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 2: You know, I get the slogan nobody sleeps on the

790
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 2: floor in my town something like that, No kids sleeps

791
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 2: on the floor in our town. No kids sleeps on

792
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 2: the floor in our town. Is that still the slogan?

793
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 1: It's the mission statement? Now, And I got a funny

794
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 1: story about that. I'll tell you that in a minute.

795
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 2: All right, we'll tell me that now.

796
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, I'll tell you that.

797
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 2: Let's go.

798
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: Well, it was such a such a meaningful motto to

799
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: us that we didn't have a mission statement. And I mean,

800
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,720
Speaker 1: I've run businesses before, and I just didn't. I wanted

801
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: my mission statement to really be as simple and clear

802
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:33,720
Speaker 1: as possible.

803
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is what we're doing.

804
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: And it was funny when when I was named a

805
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: scene in hero in twenty eighteen, of course she did

806
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 1: the whole TV thing and blah blah blah. Well, the

807
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 1: next day they invited the ten scene in Heroes to

808
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 1: a classroom and they had like scene in head of

809
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:51,800
Speaker 1: media there and they were they were going to go

810
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 1: over some things, mostly prepping us for any interviews that

811
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: we were ultimately going to be doing in the next year.

812
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 2: Well, because you don't want to screw up the CNN

813
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 2: program if he rots, you better know how to do

814
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 2: exactly through that before and I screwed up a lot.

815
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 2: Sometimes I screwed him up on purpose. No about telling

816
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 2: you how to answer things. If that's not how I

817
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 2: wanted to answer them, I just didn't.

818
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: Well that's what they taught you. Actually, they're like, you know,

819
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:20,919
Speaker 1: I answer anything.

820
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 2: Then they've done that. You don't like it, don't answer it. No,

821
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 2: I'll answer it. You just may not like the answer.

822
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 2: I love it.

823
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 1: So we they kind of went around the room and

824
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: they asked a funny question they said, so let's go

825
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 1: over your mission statement, because that's the first thing, you know,

826
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: it needs to be. It needs to tell the.

827
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 2: It's the elevator pitch. It is, it's what what you

828
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 2: hear it you understand it?

829
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, the consumer you know in business world, or in

830
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: this case, a sponsor or or just a person needs

831
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 1: to understand your business from their mission statement. Well, you know,

832
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 1: and everybody went around there when it's fine. They came

833
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: to me and I could see the guy kind of

834
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 1: stop and he goes, that's your mission statement, yeah, And

835
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 1: I said yeah, I said, but my mission statement isn't

836
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: about my organization talking to the individual or the community.

837
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: It's meant for the community.

838
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 2: To say it.

839
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: Because child bedlessness is going to be solved by the

840
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:14,399
Speaker 1: volunteer in the community, not by Luke Nicholson at Twin

841
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:14,959
Speaker 1: Falls Idol.

842
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 2: So what you're saying is an army of normal folks.

843
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 1: Absolutely, it's no kid sleeps on the floor in our town,

844
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 1: not your town, in our town. So it doesn't make

845
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: any sense for me as.

846
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 2: No kid sleeps on the floor in our town. If

847
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:31,760
Speaker 2: all of us would spend a little time getting together

848
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 2: and fix them, yeah, absolutely, if they had So we're

849
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 2: not going to call government, and we're not going to

850
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 2: write for a grant, and we're not going to petition

851
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,320
Speaker 2: the mayor and the city council and all the other bureaucrowds,

852
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 2: and we're not going to go to our state legislature

853
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 2: and talk about the problem. And we're not going to

854
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 2: drop on our knees and pray it away. We're going

855
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 2: to Bill Betts. We're going to do something about it. Exactly,

856
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 2: just an army of us deciding no child in my

857
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 2: town sleeps on the floor. That's right. I love it. Yeah,

858
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 2: So that's your that's your slogan motto, that was.

859
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: The slogans mission statement.

860
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:11,399
Speaker 2: That's right as your misstatement. Then you had to name

861
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 2: the team.

862
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was the funny part. You know.

863
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 2: I didn't want to call it.

864
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:18,280
Speaker 1: I mean at first it was just a family Christmas project.

865
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,359
Speaker 2: And that's not that doesn't work.

866
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: No, No, that does a family project. Well, and you

867
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 1: understand this, I had no dream of being a nonproget

868
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 1: you know what I said.

869
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 2: But you still you got a thing, and anything has

870
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 2: to have a name. You don't call it the thing. Yeah, exactly,

871
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 2: we're gonna go do this.

872
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: That might have been better than my first choice, which

873
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:44,399
Speaker 1: was Beds for Babes. Yeah that doesn't Yeah, everybody, that's

874
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: not a good Google search.

875
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 2: It misses a little.

876
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:50,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it hits somewhere else.

877
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:54,800
Speaker 2: But let's well, I mean the progress nobody sleeps alone

878
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 2: in my you could do that. Yeah with that, an

879
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 2: adult for Everything other another project.

880
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 1: Oh there's another story with that.

881
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, So Beds for Babes was like, yeah, I got

882
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 2: shut down about the minute I left my mouth got it.

883
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 1: But it was Christmas time and.

884
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 2: You know, babes, I get the idea. It just done work.

885
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't work. And uh, you know, Silent Night

886
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: is just one of my all time classics and one

887
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: of my favorite songs and Sleeping Emily piece. Although I

888
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: had Rob Schneider who I met in an airport not

889
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 1: too long ago, and he was pretty interested. He's helping

890
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: us out a little bit, and he said, he pointed

891
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: out for the first time, and it's a couple of

892
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 1: times since then it sounds more like a funeral home,

893
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:35,919
Speaker 1: which it does.

894
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 2: We'll be right back, you know.

895
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 1: The first year we did it, just a family Christmas project.

896
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:57,320
Speaker 1: I had a friend from Boys. He's the one that

897
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: went on the first delivery with me, So it's it

898
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 1: touched him him just as much as it touched me.

899
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 1: And if there's ever a co co founder would be

900
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 1: Jordan now. And he wanted to do it up in

901
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 1: Boise so you know.

902
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 2: He Mutton had a joint guy that was crying. It's precious.

903
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is a tender moment. And I've known Jordan

904
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: since Oh my gosh, five Yeah, pretty close.

905
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 2: Did you wipe one of our list years with your thumbs? Yeah?

906
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, we did.

907
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 2: That's a really beautiful thing.

908
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: I see where this is going.

909
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, breaking down. So Jordan's starts one in Boise.

910
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: Correct, and we didn't know what to call it. It was

911
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: at that time, wasn't a chapter. It was just Boisy.

912
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 1: And and then the next year we got this strange

913
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 1: phenomenon where people wanted to actually donate money to us,

914
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: but they couldn't because we weren't five one.

915
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 2: Actually have a really good story, which is which is

916
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 2: a pain in the butt, but it's absolutely necessary. Oh yeah,

917
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 2: you have to. You have to.

918
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: And I remember sitting at lunch one time with Jordan

919
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 1: and we were getting ready for the next season of

920
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: building in Christmas because we only built one time a

921
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 1: year and we were going over this stuff and blah

922
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 1: blah blah. And I remember this lady was walking by

923
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 1: us and we were in this booth at this restaurant,

924
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: and she stopped and she says, I'm sorry, I just

925
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: eve dropped your whole conversation. I listened to everything. I

926
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 1: hope that's okay. And we're like sure. She's like, I

927
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 1: heard what you're doing. Here's all the money in my wallet,

928
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 1: and I went, I mean we kind of looked at

929
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 1: each other.

930
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,399
Speaker 2: Wow, well you don't know what's from.

931
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: I mean, we could be lying to you, and you know,

932
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 1: it was just it was a moment in the history

933
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 1: of SHP where we realized this is a lot more

934
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: than just how we feel. You know, there was other

935
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 1: people that felt this way, which turned into obviously a

936
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:47,439
Speaker 1: lot more people coming in too.

937
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 2: Do you hate nobody? Listen? You can, you can. There's

938
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 2: there's so many things that we can talk about people

939
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 2: in need and our culture that yeah, can help them. Oh,

940
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 2: I can help them. It's like I'm a football coach.

941
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 2: Well I'm not helping a budding violinist that can't play

942
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 2: for violins or a really talented ballet person because I don't,

943
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 2: you know, I can't do that, But so somebody might

944
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 2: be drawn to my story and then others might be like,

945
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 2: it's a mudd in football, who cares? Right, nobody thinks

946
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 2: a child should have to sleep on the floor. Man,

947
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:30,439
Speaker 2: I mean it's a universal thing, and so I get it.

948
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 2: I mean people.

949
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 1: Pretty easy sell pretty pretty easy.

950
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, lot easier than water chemical stuff.

951
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 1: Maybe not was lucrative, but.

952
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 2: Maybe not, but well it depends on for who. That's

953
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 2: just so do people start saying, hey, I want to

954
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 2: do this in my talent.

955
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 1: So what happened was is as we learn more about

956
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 1: the need, and we were only building in Christmas, you

957
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 1: know it's the twelfth, thirteenth, and fourteen, But the fifteenth

958
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 1: came around and I think in the fourteenth I did

959
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 1: maybe one or two little Boy Scout Eagles service projects

960
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:01,359
Speaker 1: you know those.

961
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was awesome.

962
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 1: It was you know, these kids would kind of wait

963
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 1: till the last minute and they needed a project and

964
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:07,240
Speaker 1: this got approved.

965
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 2: So we did them. Right, build a bed. You can

966
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 2: get your eagle scholar absolutely absolutely, yeah.

967
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 1: But twenty fifteen came around and we then decided and

968
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,399
Speaker 1: we were starting to get a lot of even organizations

969
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: that were like, hey, we'd like to donate. Can we

970
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 1: build beds with you? We're like, maybe we can do this.

971
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 2: And so we.

972
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 1: Actually did fifteen builds in two thousand and fifty excuse me,

973
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 1: thirteen builds in twenty fifteen, because we did them through

974
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 1: the year. That's when SHP took a big turn, because

975
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 1: now we were pumping out a lot more beds. It

976
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 1: was taking a lot more of my time. I was

977
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 1: starting to use more of my vacation time from work

978
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 1: and all your time, oh my time, that's right, you know,

979
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:46,879
Speaker 1: and buying a business from with my step brother, from

980
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: my step dad and doing all this it is.

981
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 2: Oh so at this time it professionally, you were also

982
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 2: becoming an owner of the company.

983
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 1: We yeah, oh yeah, we were working at it.

984
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, do it.

985
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 1: And so because it was so fulfilling it was financially

986
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 1: was yeah, yeah, I know, yeah, and it was too.

987
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong. It was a great job and

988
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 2: I love the people that we were doing that. But

989
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 2: the point is you still got that thing hanging around.

990
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah. And it was building more and

991
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: more and it was far more satisfying as anybody can

992
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 1: imagine delivering beds to kids is the most fulfeeling thing

993
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 1: I've ever done, absolutely true, and so it just got

994
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 1: more and more. Twenty seventeen came around and I went

995
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 1: to a water treatment conference in San Diego. Well, a

996
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 1: buddy of mine that I met probably ten years previously,

997
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 1: lived down there and he says, hey, come come see me,

998
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 1: and I said sure. So we met at a Prodre's game,

999
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 1: and then I went back to his house and he says, hey,

1000
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:41,240
Speaker 1: I've been watching what you're doing. You know, my company

1001
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 1: needs a service project. He says, can we do this

1002
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 1: a build down here? I said, why don't we just

1003
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 1: do a chapter down here? Because we then started talking

1004
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 1: calling him chapters we had boising twin and he's like, yeah,

1005
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:56,720
Speaker 1: we can do that. So we started. We organized this build,

1006
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 1: and then my brother wanted to do a chapter in Gilbert,

1007
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 1: so we organized a build and they were kind of

1008
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:03,800
Speaker 1: within two or three weeks. So all of a sudden,

1009
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 1: we were posting this and.

1010
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 2: They have four chapters.

1011
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 1: Correct, Hey, we're starting. Chapters went from Idaho to San Diego,

1012
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 1: to Utah or to Arizona, excuse me, to Arizona. And

1013
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 1: so that opened the floodgates of oh, I can start

1014
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 1: a chapter with sleeping on the piece. So now we

1015
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 1: actually got people from Maryland, from Minnesota. We had no

1016
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 1: idea who they were. We had some other friends recognize

1017
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:29,880
Speaker 1: you on Facebook. Yeah, friends of friends of friends. And

1018
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:31,879
Speaker 1: what's really funny is the one in Minnesota. He said

1019
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 1: he had built a bed for his daughter, loved it,

1020
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 1: and he wanted to build a bed for someone. So

1021
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:39,280
Speaker 1: he went online to research, you know, give me some ideas,

1022
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 1: and found our website.

1023
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 2: Wow, and it was I mean, it wasn't much of

1024
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 2: a website.

1025
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 1: So we called us and I spoke with him on

1026
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 1: the phone in twenty seventeen. The end of twenty seventeen,

1027
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 1: we had nine chapters in five months. It just kind

1028
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 1: of blew up a little bit. And all of a sudden,

1029
00:50:57,600 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: I'll get to your answer in a little bit. All

1030
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 1: of a sudden, and I Jordan Allen, my buddy, says, hey,

1031
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 1: you need to take November fourteenth and fifteenth offt or

1032
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,439
Speaker 1: fifteenth and sixteenth off. And I said why, And he says,

1033
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: I can't tell you. You just need to take him off.

1034
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 1: And I'm like, and he knew some of the some

1035
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 1: of the trickiness between work and this because it was

1036
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 1: kind of button heads a little bit. And I said,

1037
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm asking what you're asking me to do?

1038
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 1: And he's like, oh, yes, And I knew I had

1039
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 1: to go talk to my stepdad and my brother and say, hey,

1040
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:29,800
Speaker 1: these I gotta.

1041
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 2: Take two days off and I'm not real sure why.

1042
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I said, I knew it was an SHP thing, right,

1043
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:39,280
Speaker 1: And the whole time I'd been talking with this marketing

1044
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 1: group from New York that wanted to fly out and

1045
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 1: do this magazine article on SHPRE and I was like, yeah, exactly.

1046
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 1: It was funny about the whole returning. The favorite thing

1047
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,839
Speaker 1: is you know, I something wasn't stirring the kool aid.

1048
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 1: But I knew not to ask because I was told

1049
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,359
Speaker 1: not to, so I just kind of went along dumb,

1050
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:04,280
Speaker 1: but you And that's when I approached my my business cohurts,

1051
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 1: my stepdad and said, hey, I need these two days off.

1052
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 2: And it was time.

1053
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 1: It was time. He recognized that my passion for SHP

1054
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 1: was far bigger than the company, and he said, you know,

1055
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 1: maybe you need to really think whether you want to

1056
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 1: be with.

1057
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,359
Speaker 2: And so in this company, fourteenth and fifteenth micro shows up,

1058
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 2: does this TV show, does this TV show and then

1059
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 2: it blows then it blows up.

1060
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, we had in the next year and a half,

1061
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 1: we had a five thousand chapters requested.

1062
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 2: Five thousand people all over the.

1063
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:36,720
Speaker 1: Country in eight different countries request to become a chapter.

1064
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 2: And so okay, well now you got to tell me

1065
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:40,359
Speaker 2: how many chapters do you have?

1066
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 1: So of that five thousand we've we've trained only three

1067
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,799
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty only Yeah, I mean, come on, dude,

1068
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 1: that's it I'm proud of.

1069
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:50,399
Speaker 2: So there are three? Are they all in the US?

1070
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 1: We're in four different countries, but only so Canada, United States,

1071
00:52:54,880 --> 00:53:02,800
Speaker 1: Bermuda and Bahamas. So we got the vacations by.

1072
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 2: I mean, what started as I'm going to get these

1073
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 2: kids off their ass and build a bunk bed ten

1074
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 2: years ago is now three hundred and thirty chapters in

1075
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:17,879
Speaker 2: four countries of people building beds and proclaiming no child

1076
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 2: sleeps on the floor in my death.

1077
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 1: We're actually it's a proud thing, but a sad thing

1078
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 1: at the same time. We're actually the largest bed building

1079
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 1: charity in the world only because there really isn't there

1080
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 1: another one. Well, there's a few, but there are local

1081
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:33,760
Speaker 1: church things type.

1082
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 2: So when did you leave the water thing and become

1083
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:42,760
Speaker 2: a full time bed builder?

1084
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:45,760
Speaker 1: So November fourteenth is when returning the favor was showing

1085
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 1: up to air, and I left November first.

1086
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Speaker 2: You're kidding me. How many beds have you made since

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Speaker 2: bed number twenty four?

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Speaker 1: I just looked today. I had a student call me

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Speaker 1: from Texas Tech. I think that was doing a report

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Speaker 1: and she says, can you give me a ballpark of

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Speaker 1: where your bedcount is right now? I said, it's one

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Speaker 1: hundred and thirty eight thousand, eight hundred and sixty one.

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Speaker 1: Is that closest.

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Speaker 2: One hundred thirty eight thousand, eight hundred and sixty one

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Speaker 2: one hundred thirty eight thousand, eight hundred sixty one beds

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Speaker 2: and counting? That's just crazy awesome. Well that concludes part

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Speaker 2: one of our conversation with Luke Michelson, and I hope

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Speaker 2: you'll listen to part two that's now available as I

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Speaker 2: kind of come to terms with a new phrase, child bedlessness.

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Speaker 2: I don't even think it's a real word, but it

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Speaker 2: certainly is a real problem that hadn't been solved yet.

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Speaker 2: But if you don't listen to part two, make sure

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Speaker 2: you join the Army of Normal Folks at normal Folks

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Speaker 2: dot us and sign up to become a member of

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Speaker 2: our movement. Y'all. It only takes committing to doing one

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Speaker 2: new thing this year to help others, and there will

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Speaker 2: be a ton of awesome ideas on this podcast from

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Speaker 2: all the folks we feature. Some of them may resonate

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Speaker 2: with you deeply and others may not at all, and

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Speaker 2: that's okay because we're all called to do different things

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Speaker 2: with our different talents. By signing up, you receive a

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Speaker 2: to miss an episode, or you might prefer reading about

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Speaker 2: our incredible guest. Together, y'all, we can change this country,

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Speaker 2: but it starts with you. I'm Bill Courtney. I'll see

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Speaker 2: you in Part two.