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Speaker 1: And it is a Halloween night. And for all of

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Speaker 1: Cowboys Legend Show. Bill Jones with Mickey spack Nolan. Mickey,

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Speaker 1: Hello Drew, Hello guys, Hi, thanks for having me, and

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Speaker 1: of Cowboy. Absolutely, I got back to work today after

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Speaker 1: But we never even if we did. Coach manager would

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Speaker 1: a Monday night, they got a fifth consecutive day off

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Speaker 1: Glad to hear that. So that's a sacrifice, right, but

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Speaker 1: you know, going to visit his mom. But gave up

428
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Speaker 1: some time, that's his job, and and felt like he

429
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Speaker 1: really picked things up. And I said, so he's ready

430
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Speaker 1: to go. He goes, As far as I'm concerned, he's

431
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 1: ready to go. So now he'll actually get a practice

432
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Speaker 1: with pads on, because what they did last week was

433
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Speaker 1: basically a mini camp practice. Yeah, so they hit the

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Speaker 1: field today, right tomorrow, Tomorrow it's a Monday. It's a

435
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 1: Monday night game. I'm the last time they playedst too

436
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:29,399
Speaker 1: much time off for me, man, I'm Friday, Monday, that

437
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 1: period Tuesday had five days off. Then they reported today

438
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 1: they had one o'clock team meeting today and then a walkthrough, right,

439
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,640
Speaker 1: and that was it, and then they had I think

440
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 1: they had an NFL PA meeting, and then starting Monday,

441
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,440
Speaker 1: they've got four games in the span of eighteen days,

442
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 1: five games in twenty five days. Better rest up. Yeah,

443
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 1: all right, Danny, we're up against the break, but let's

444
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Speaker 1: get a question in or maybe we'll answer it after

445
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Speaker 1: the break, but go ahead, Danny. Well, I know you're

446
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,920
Speaker 1: gonna find this surprising, but tonight's first question comes from

447
00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 1: our friend Drisco from Friscott Way to Go. Drisco got

448
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 1: in there again. Hey, so you played quarterback at Tulsa

449
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 1: and then you became a receiver. Yes, and then you

450
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 1: weren't drafted. The stats you had weren't real great in

451
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 1: college they were good, but you know, they weren't good

452
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,160
Speaker 1: catches in two seasons. Now you're getting lonely at there.

453
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 1: But uh, and then you the Cowboys. Two questions, what

454
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:25,920
Speaker 1: was the number one? Who was their first draft pick

455
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:31,119
Speaker 1: that year? And second? Whose place did you basically take

456
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 1: as as the wide receiver for the Cowboys? And yeah,

457
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 1: the number one picked that year with Billy Joe Duprie

458
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,479
Speaker 1: stayed tight end. We needed a tight end. Excuse me,

459
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 1: Mike Dicka had just retired, Billy Truax had retired. I

460
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,640
Speaker 1: think we eventually brought him back once. We had some

461
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,680
Speaker 1: injuries there at tight end. So the Cowboys needed a

462
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 1: tight end and they went and got Billy Joe, and

463
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 1: Billy Joe and I came in together. He came in

464
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Speaker 1: as number one draft pick and I came in as

465
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Speaker 1: an undrafted free agent, and we hit it off right away.

466
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 1: And thank god for that, because he was inviting me

467
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 1: over for dinner all the time. I had. He had

468
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,360
Speaker 1: number one picked money I didn't have. I had free

469
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 1: agent money on hundred and fifty dollars signing bonus. Can

470
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Speaker 1: you believe that? Wow? One hundred and fifty dollars? Tell

471
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Speaker 1: him what you did with your one hundred and fifty dollars, Well,

472
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 1: I had what you at least told your Well I

473
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 1: told my wife or ex wife now probably why that

474
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Speaker 1: we only got seventy five dollars that I called the boy. Well,

475
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 1: he didn't call nobody to round them up. And then

476
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Speaker 1: we had a party in the dorm with the other

477
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 1: seventy five and the Boon's farm was flowing. Baby. What

478
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 1: was the other questions? The other question was, so whose

479
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 1: place did you take? Oh? Yeah, yeah, Well they also

480
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 1: drafted Golden Richards in the second round, and then Harvey

481
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 1: Martin in third round that year, and all three of

482
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Speaker 1: those guys made and the guy they wanted to groom

483
00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:00,160
Speaker 1: really was Golden Richards, but they were grooming him them

484
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 1: to replace the great Bob Hayes on that side to

485
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 1: split end and coach Landry's offense. So end up making

486
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Speaker 1: the team. But what was the other question, So did

487
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 1: you did you start right away? Oh? No, I was

488
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 1: running back kicks, I was running punts back. I was

489
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 1: covering kicks, and as soon as the opponents knew that

490
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 1: I was the end man on the kickoff coverage, here

491
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 1: comes the wedge. Okay, here comes the wedge and we're

492
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 1: playing the Redskins on Monday Night Football on RFK, and

493
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 1: my only job, I'm a rookie. I'm like, whoa, this

494
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,919
Speaker 1: is like amazing. It's my fourth or fifth game in

495
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: the NFL, but nothing was like this. And uh, Calvin

496
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,919
Speaker 1: Hill got knocked down and he started to get up

497
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:46,880
Speaker 1: and come back to the bench and he fell out.

498
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 1: He had blood dripping down the side of his face.

499
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 1: This is the game where they stopped walk Garrison on

500
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 1: the one yard line, Kenny Houston, and it was a

501
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 1: very physical game. So anyway, they're running, we kicked off

502
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,400
Speaker 1: to them. They're running the return right at me. Heard Moki,

503
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 1: the return guy specialists, and my philosophy was back in

504
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 1: the day, was lived to play another day. Okay, so

505
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna bust the wedge. But I went around

506
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 1: the wedge and yanked did the horse collar on Moki

507
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 1: and yanked them down, made the tackle and everything. Boy,

508
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,360
Speaker 1: next day in the films, coach Landry got on me

509
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 1: and I was off that team in a split second.

510
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,199
Speaker 1: You don't run around the wedge, you bust that wedge,

511
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 1: I say, coach, I'm a hundred seventy pounds. They don't.

512
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 1: They won't even know me if I bunched bunch bust

513
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: the wedge. But anyway, what was the question? Sorry, I

514
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 1: got hit on that play too, outside the head. All right,

515
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: we're gonna figure out the rest of the nation and

516
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 1: we'll be back with Drew Pearson here on the Cowboys

517
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 1: Legend Show in a moment touchdown. It's a touchdown to

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Speaker 1: the SWBC Mortgage Dallas Cowboys Legends Show, broadcasting live from

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys Club at the Star in Frisco. Fans United,

520
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521
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: Visit shop Fans United dot com to find a location

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Speaker 1: near you. This is the Cowboys Legend Show from the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys Club at the Star in Frisco. Bill Jones, Mickey Spagnola,

524
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 1: and the Great Drew Pearson in the house. Drew Pearson

525
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy three, undrafted free free agent out of

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Speaker 1: Tulsa University and Drew you mentioned the first round pick

527
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 1: in seventy three was Billy Joe Duprie, the tight end

528
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: of Michigan State Golden Richards was a wide receiver. Second

529
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 1: round pick Harvey Martin, the third round pick. Do you

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00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 1: remember who the fourth round pick was that year? Absolutely?

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Speaker 1: Could it be a Bruce Walton? Okay, hold on, hold

532
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: on here, Bill Walton's brother from Ucla. You know what?

533
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: Am I right? He might have been I've got it.

534
00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: He made of yours from Tulsa according to this dreams scrip.

535
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you're right, Drain, he knew I heard. Yeah,

536
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:11,719
Speaker 1: he played defensive. That great athlete was a little soft

537
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: in my opinion, but a tremendous athlete. And that he

538
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Speaker 1: was a fourth round pick and you went undrafted. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And and the thing is he uh ended up having

540
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 1: irregular heartbeat and never passed his physical and never never played.

541
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Speaker 1: Really Bruce Walton, by the way, it was the fifth

542
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Speaker 1: round path fifth round. He ended up making a team, Bruce,

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Speaker 1: Yes he did. He played a couple of years there.

544
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: But Draine Scribner, who there you go last? He's from

545
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Speaker 1: Male High School in Global Louisville, Kentucky. Yes, sir, all right?

546
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 1: Uh Danny Sirek with the wireless microphone, Danny, Danny, Danny Drew.

547
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 1: This next question for you comes from Brian Sirek. Really, well,

548
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Speaker 1: we have two coincidence. It's Halloween. I'm gonna take you

549
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: down memory lane for a minute to one of the

550
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: greatest games in Cowboy history. Tell me what you guys

551
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: were thinking in the huddle when stallback goes down in

552
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: Clint Longley has to find his helmet and come in

553
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: the game. Well, we were thinking we might be in

554
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: troup Thanksgiving. We had no idea what Clint could do. Okay,

555
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: you know, he did some great things in practice, and

556
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 1: he could throw the ball through a beautiful deep pass

557
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: and just an easy ball but catch. But we knew

558
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 1: coming out of Abilene Christian, you know he would lighten

559
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: it up. He was sixty some touchdowns or something like

560
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: that in his career at Abilene, Wilbe Montgomery, Johnny Perkins

561
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: he was throwing that ball too, So we knew he

562
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: could throw the ball, and he had proven that in practice.

563
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 1: But when you get in a situation like that on

564
00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving Day against the Redskins, you never know what that rookie,

565
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 1: what to expect from that rookie. But we were two

566
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: touchdowns down. He took the first touchdown past the Billy

567
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: Joe Dupre over the middle and that got us one

568
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: touchdown and we got a big stop. We get back

569
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: in the huddle. We have hardly a no timeouts, and

570
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: we got bobbed down a little and we got to

571
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: I guess the third down situation, and I told Clint

572
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: that I need to line line me up on the

573
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Speaker 1: left side and run me on a turn in takeoff,

574
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: and he said, fine, run it. And he told Billy

575
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Speaker 1: Joe to run acrossing the route and Golden Richards to

576
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Speaker 1: run a post pattern down the other side, and he

577
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: was going to me all the way. We got the

578
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: perfect coverage, We got the bracket coverage. I came off

579
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Speaker 1: the line and widened Mike Bass the cornerback out. Now

580
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 1: I'm on Kenny Stone, who's a safety, and I said,

581
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Speaker 1: I ain't No safety can cover me. So I gave

582
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: him that in side move, which was even at that

583
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: time and only my second year in the league, that

584
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: was still are my bread and butter route going into

585
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: that zone in that middle of the field to make

586
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,959
Speaker 1: that tough catch, So I gave him nat Kenny Stone

587
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: bid on it took it right behind him. When I

588
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: looked back, that ball was coming and I could count

589
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: the revolutions. It was just a pretty pass and I

590
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: caught it in the end zone. I didn't think it

591
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: was a big deal that I caught it. As accurate

592
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: as that pass was, Stevie Wonder probably could have caught it,

593
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Speaker 1: and of course you had had showed him where the

594
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 1: end zone was. But anyway I caught it. That was touchdown.

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Speaker 1: I ran into George Allen that summer because we had

596
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 1: coach Landry had a special day for him and we

597
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: played a little charity football game and all that there

598
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: were all the Redskins were in town, and George Allen said,

599
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Speaker 1: one of the biggest mistakes and I made in my

600
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: career as a coach was not telling my defensive coach

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Speaker 1: what the play in that situation. He said, we wanted, well,

602
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: I wanted them to bump you at the line and

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00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: have the safety cover up deep and have that cornerback

604
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 1: run with you to take all the underneath stuff away.

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00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: And so they played that bracket coverage and that was

606
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 1: the perfect coverage for the play that I called back then,

607
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 1: and so we were able to hit that for a

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00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: touchdown because we got that coverage. And George Allen, God

609
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: rest his soul, you know, he said before he passed,

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00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:29,399
Speaker 1: that was the worst decision he'd made in a big

611
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: game like that, going with that particular coverage as opposed

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00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:36,240
Speaker 1: to the other form of double coverage that he wanted

613
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 1: them to plug. And the Cowboys were down twenty three

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00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 1: seventeen at the time, I think about twenty eight seconds

615
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 1: left in the game, and that that was the triumph

616
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: of the uncluttered mind as blame and I put it

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00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: describing Clint Long, did Long they think he was at

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Speaker 1: the top of the world. Yeah, Clint was. You know,

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Speaker 1: he was pretty arrogant anyway, you know, coming in and

620
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: you know that just got him going. He did some

621
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: crazy things in the arm and in a thousand oaks.

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00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: You know, we're laying in bed eleven, twelve o'clock at night,

623
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Speaker 1: whatever it was. Yeah, boom boom, you know he's down

624
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 1: there shooting rattle steaks, snakes and all that. And then

625
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 1: we would take a break when we got back to Dallas.

626
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: You know, we had meetings from ten to eleven thirty.

627
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: You didn't have to be back to one o'clock and

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00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 1: unless you were on special teams. And you know what

629
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: he used to do. He used to go drive the

630
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: Loop six thirty five to see how fast he could

631
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: get around it and make it back in time. Just

632
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 1: told that he wouldn't be there hanging around Roger and

633
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 1: later we brought in Danny White, and he felt the

634
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 1: pressure of those two guys because they're pretty much the same.

635
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 1: Clinton was pretty much a rebel. So just to let

636
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 1: you know. So when he's talking about training camp, it

637
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: was in Thousand Oaks at kal Lou. Yeah, and we

638
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: went back there a couple of years ago, Nate nine.

639
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Speaker 1: We did a little deal of the old training camp.

640
00:35:55,520 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: The signs are still up. Beware of rattlesnakes out there

641
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,919
Speaker 1: by the practice fields. We had our protector and Clint

642
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: he was blowing them away. Let me tell you something,

643
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: if this brotherisode, I would have high Town that all

644
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:14,959
Speaker 1: the way back to Dallas. Not a lot of rattle

645
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: stakes in New Jersey. Oh No, we had a concrete

646
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: jungle bed. We had rats, but no snakes. I actually

647
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: made a trip on them when I was out in

648
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: Knox Start. We made a trip over to a Thousand

649
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 1: Oaks this year. And guess who is training there during

650
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: the regular season? Now, who the Los Angeles Ram How

651
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: are they they're permanent? I mean they're temporary. Permanent home

652
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: during the regular season is in Thousand Oaks. It's the backside,

653
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 1: and it's it's built up very nicely. You got a

654
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 1: great athletic complex there now. Yeah, Football's big football stadium

655
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 1: is right where the practice field used to be, and

656
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 1: they've got a big gymnasium and everything. Behind all of that.

657
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: It looks like a prison. Back there is where the

658
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,879
Speaker 1: Los Angeles Rams train. It is unbelievable when you look

659
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 1: at this place the Star in Frisco and compare it

660
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 1: with what the Rams facilities are out there, there is

661
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 1: no comparison. Well, you know, speaking of that, how about

662
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper coming from Oakland to this coming right, this

663
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 1: is heaven right, he like died and went to heaven

664
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 1: man because I could imagine the practice facilities in Oakland.

665
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 1: It's only makes shift now because they're getting ready to

666
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,879
Speaker 1: move and he had to be making any improvements thinking

667
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: about dealing with that. So they're not making any improvements.

668
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 1: They're trying to build up new facilities and stuff in

669
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: Las Vegas. So he comes to this facility and say,

670
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: oh my god, I better catch some touchdowns because I

671
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: want to stay here and look around, and he can

672
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 1: fight a place to live. I can't imagine where those

673
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: players in Oakland live. Oh, my God, in the cost

674
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 1: of living out there compared to here, no income tax

675
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:46,399
Speaker 1: and all that. Boy, he's if you not inspired by

676
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 1: that move, then um, God, bless you man. God, he'd

677
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,320
Speaker 1: better be studying right, yes, yes, all right. We continue

678
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: with Drew Pearson here on the Cowboys Leging the show

679
00:37:55,640 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: in just a moment towns to the SWBC Mortgage Dallas

680
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:08,359
Speaker 1: Cowboys Legends Show, broadcasting live from the Cowboys Club at

681
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:13,800
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682
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:18,480
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683
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684
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Speaker 1: dot com to learn more. Bill Jones with Mickey Spagnola

685
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: and Drew Pearson our final segment here of the Cowboys

686
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 1: Legend Show and Danny Serect with the wireless microphone. Hello Danny, Hi, guys,

687
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 1: Drew the next questions from me because I'm curious at

688
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 1: the draft in Philly when you went to announce the

689
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 1: Cowboys picked and you trolled the Philly fans, which was fantastic.

690
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: Was that spur the moment or were you kind of

691
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: thinking of something you could say to them going up there? Now?

692
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: I uh, the way I deliver it delivered it was

693
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: spur of the moment. It's just a reaction to the

694
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: booze and you get booed, Danny, You're going to react

695
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 1: like that, especially in Philadelphia. But I had planned on

696
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: saying what I said, but I just didn't plan on

697
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 1: delivering it that way. And I wanted to do a

698
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,320
Speaker 1: little more, you know, because you know, I'm a wide receiver.

699
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: This is national TV tie. I'm gonna take advantage of it,

700
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: you know. And so I saw Harry Carson go up there,

701
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 1: read the card, come right back. Clinton Portis go up there.

702
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: They both got booed. He read the card and came

703
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: right back. I said, I'm gonna take a little more

704
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 1: time and do it. But I didn't plan on delivering

705
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: it that way. The delivery was spontaneous, and I just

706
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 1: got so fired up. If they would have thrown me

707
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,240
Speaker 1: a cheese steak, I would have caught it and spiked

708
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: it right there on that stage, and all the onions

709
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,240
Speaker 1: and cheese would have went all over those Eagle fans.

710
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 1: But cheese whiz che's whizz yeah. All. I drew growing

711
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 1: up in New Jersey. High school football in New Jersey.

712
00:39:53,400 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: What kind of what would your football stadium like? Pretty small. Yeah,

713
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 1: by about this time of year, you're on dirt, the

714
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 1: grass is gone. The stands maybe up on the home

715
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 1: field side, maybe ten rows high. You know, it was

716
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: more of a standing room only type crowd because we

717
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,320
Speaker 1: didn't hardly give the visitors any stands. Okay, we needed

718
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 1: that part over there for practice field. But anyway, we

719
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,760
Speaker 1: were a great team and South River High School football

720
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: is very legendary. We have a Hall of Famer from

721
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 1: South River, Alex Floja Hobbitts. He was one of the

722
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 1: seven blocks of Granite at at Fort rdam Fordham and

723
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: then play went on to play center for the New

724
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 1: York Giants and his NFL Hall of Famer. And then

725
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 1: of course we've got Joe thiseman coming out of there,

726
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 1: and yours truly Kenny Jackson member him from the Eagles

727
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 1: wide receiver, played at Penn State, number one draft choice,

728
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: come out of South River. So we had a lot

729
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: of tradition at South River High School. And if you're

730
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: a boy growing up in South River, that was your

731
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 1: dream to played for the South River High School Rams,

732
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: and uh so it was a big deal. I played.

733
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 1: I started at my sophomore year, started at wide receiver,

734
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 1: Joey was the quarterback, and then I started at safety

735
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 1: on defense. We played nine games, were undefeated for nine games,

736
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: unscored upon for six of those nine games. Wow, we

737
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: were a good team. And Joey was a great quarterback.

738
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: I love he calls him Joey and Joey, and he

739
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 1: was he be the first to take how good he was.

740
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:33,800
Speaker 1: It was Stevesman, not Bisman and that story about Notre

741
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 1: Dame had a chance to win the Heisman change at

742
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 1: the Stems and Roman Heisman, and that was Joey starting

743
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 1: that campaign, and Notre Dame's athletic department or the PR department,

744
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 1: Joey said, let's do this. He was his old PR department.

745
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 1: He certainly was still he still is. And actually, you know,

746
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: we text each other every once in a while, especially

747
00:41:56,160 --> 00:42:00,359
Speaker 1: before the Redskins and the Cowboys play, and so good

748
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: natured ribbing and all that, and he's good guy. But

749
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 1: we you know, we had a good team. Then after

750
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: he left, I moved in the quarterback. But while he

751
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 1: was there, I started and played the whole game on

752
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 1: Saturday afternoon on the varsity and then played the jv

753
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 1: game on Monday at quarterback to get groomed at that

754
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: position to play once Joey left. So I played two

755
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 1: games in one week and was looking for a third.

756
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: All right, So how about how about your grandson playing

757
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,760
Speaker 1: in an indoor high school football stadium here at Ford

758
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 1: Center at the Star. He had they play us about him. Yeah,

759
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: it's pretty cool. They play here tomorrow night Frisco lone

760
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 1: Star High School. Their final two games are here at

761
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 1: the Star. So that worked out good with this weather

762
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 1: out there. But yeah, he plays for Frisco lone Star

763
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:49,240
Speaker 1: High School. He's the starting middle outside linebacker. He's about

764
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,919
Speaker 1: sixty three, one hundred eighty one hundred and eighty five

765
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 1: and he runs a four to five forty. His name

766
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: is Torn Pittman, number fifteen. He's Kavika Pittman's son, who's

767
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: a former Dallas cow boy himself. And so you know

768
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:05,760
Speaker 1: Kavika six six Longering where you got the size and state?

769
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 1: You got that, right, mickey, because I had none of that.

770
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: And then his brother just graduated from Long Stars at

771
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:20,280
Speaker 1: Southeastern and uh in Oklahoma and Grant. Yeah, so anyway,

772
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 1: they got a big game coming up with Harriage. He's

773
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 1: got a good opportunity to play the next level. He's

774
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 1: already heard from LSU, Boise State, Tulsa, a few schools

775
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 1: like that. So, uh, great head coach there, Jeff, and

776
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: the defensive coordinator has done a great job. I think

777
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: he's new this year and they're even though they have

778
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 1: two losses, they're still giving up only about eight points

779
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 1: a game, so they're pretty stout defense. You sit in

780
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: the stands, I sit when we got the star. I

781
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 1: sit in the end zone where you walk right in.

782
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 1: I stand right there and I'm thinking nobody can hear me.

783
00:43:55,560 --> 00:44:01,439
Speaker 1: But my daughters tell me, Dad, own it down a little, Dad,

784
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 1: because I get really get into it. And now I

785
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 1: know how my mom felt. You guys got kids playing football.

786
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 1: You know when you watch him play, man, You're like,

787
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 1: I got all these anxieties. My mom could never watch me.

788
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,320
Speaker 1: Only time she came to play when I made the Cowboys.

789
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 1: Of course, she was the only relative that showed up

790
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 1: right once I made the team. But man, I go

791
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: there and I my stomach as nervous as I go there,

792
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 1: and I watched them, and UH just just want them

793
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 1: to come out healthy, and I'm just glad that they're

794
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 1: in a good program, and they do it the right way.

795
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:37,399
Speaker 1: You ought to just come up here and tell them

796
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: who you are and go in a quarterback room there

797
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:45,280
Speaker 1: and the window. I come up here at halftime because

798
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 1: those high school halftimes are thirty minutes. Everybody's got a player,

799
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: Oh man, the wrong thing. So everybody, my kids say,

800
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 1: where Dad go? I say, he's up at the club

801
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 1: having a Glenn Levin on the rock? Are your all

802
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: your great kids? Think of the stairway over here, the

803
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:05,399
Speaker 1: Hill Mary stairway here. At the start, they think all

804
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 1: this stuff is pretty cool, you know. And then at

805
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 1: the start they have high school pictures of a lot

806
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,479
Speaker 1: of the guys, and they have my picture up there,

807
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 1: and so they think that's pretty cool. Then they go

808
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 1: see the monument you know the number right, the number monument,

809
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: the Ring of Honor walk I call it a monument now,

810
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 1: but it'll be my tombstone. Well, you got your footprint there, right,

811
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,399
Speaker 1: I mean footprints there. I'm a handprint and just need

812
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 1: some ashes, that's all I'm thinking. You go up and

813
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: down them steps. There's three floors. If anybody hadn't been

814
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 1: out here, it's a frame by frame shot. The video

815
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 1: shot basically in frames as a picture of the hill

816
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 1: Mary catches. It's pretty remarkable. It is the first time

817
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: I saw that. Almost broke out in tears. You know.

818
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: For the Cowboys to honor that play that way and

819
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 1: somebody to think of it, to do it that way

820
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 1: is they're pretty special. And I think it actually is

821
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 1: the highlight when people do tourists through here, that's the

822
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: highlight because no one's ever seen anything like that. Each

823
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 1: photo stop picture is depicted right there as you go

824
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,839
Speaker 1: up and down the steps. And man, if I had

825
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: a house big enough, I do the same thing, but

826
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 1: I don't have any room in my home. You know

827
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 1: what we need to do is we need to get

828
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 1: those Hall of Fame people over here to see it. Yeah,

829
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,919
Speaker 1: they would understand what they're supposed to do. Yeah, we'll see.

830
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,919
Speaker 1: We'll see about that. I ain't you know what. I'm

831
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: just proud to be a former Dallas Cowboy because I

832
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 1: have had so many benefits, so many great things happened

833
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 1: to me as a former Dallas Cowboy. And I you know,

834
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 1: let's say forty years or so since I played, you know,

835
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:49,359
Speaker 1: thirty forty cents to Hail Mary and all that, and

836
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:52,879
Speaker 1: you know, I still get great opportunities, and you know,

837
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:56,439
Speaker 1: if if the Hall of Fame adds more to that,

838
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: and then let's do it. But I'm I'm happy as

839
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,839
Speaker 1: being former member of the Dallas Cowboys and being in

840
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 1: that Dallas Cowboys Ring of barn Who's going to be

841
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 1: next in that Ring of honor? That's a good question,

842
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 1: I would say a guy in NFL network. I just

843
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: saw a story and I guess it didn't work. He

844
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 1: nominated you for the class of twenty or twenty nineteen

845
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 1: as the senior and it didn't help because they had

846
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:24,479
Speaker 1: somebody else from Hall of Fame. Yeah, at least little

847
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 1: a little closer anyway, Johnny Robinson was as a contributor

848
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 1: this year contributor. He'll probably get in and that should

849
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: lead him into the Ring of Honor. What you think?

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Speaker 1: I hope. So, Drew, we appreciate you joining this show.

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Speaker 1: It's always great to have Drew Pearson here. We'll talk

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Speaker 1: at you again next week. Thank you, good lady for

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Speaker 1: some football