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Speaker 1: like that. We know that you can have that old

425
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Speaker 1: crank bait or top water that you've used since you

426
00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:41,560
Speaker 1: were twelve and it just works. So that's what you

427
00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:43,400
Speaker 1: buy and you might skunk on it. But as long

428
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,280
Speaker 1: as you get those hits on it, if I can

429
00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:47,520
Speaker 1: be that bait, that's that's a huge honor to me

430
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Speaker 1: to have. But because it's not even about PB either,

431
00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:54,520
Speaker 1: I've had like big rock bass smash up bits, you

432
00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:56,480
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It just depends on the fish

433
00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:58,720
Speaker 1: that's in the area that you're that you're working, right, Yeah,

434
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:04,080
Speaker 1: so there were you You once painted a bait by

435
00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:06,600
Speaker 1: a bent fan request with me and Miles Nulty on it.

436
00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:10,560
Speaker 1: Let's forget that one for a second. Beyond that, what's

437
00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,960
Speaker 1: the weirdest thing or pattern you've ever put on a

438
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:20,360
Speaker 1: bait for somebody. I mean that Barnon was, but I'd

439
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:25,040
Speaker 1: like to hear about another one. But yes, but um,

440
00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:28,360
Speaker 1: I don't get too many, to be honest, I don't

441
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,159
Speaker 1: get too many odd requests. I get a lot of

442
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,440
Speaker 1: like real fish. I've had any any of the weird ones.

443
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,119
Speaker 1: It's kind of me stepping out of my box too,

444
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:44,160
Speaker 1: try to incorporate like more traditional art into into a bait.

445
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:49,680
Speaker 1: But outside of that portrait, I don't really have odd requests.

446
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,960
Speaker 1: There's odd color schemes and stuff like that, but it's

447
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 1: it's not odd in the world of fishing, right, Like

448
00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:01,280
Speaker 1: Brion pinks with with like a subtle green belly, Like

449
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 1: they sound weird together, but then you put it on

450
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,200
Speaker 1: a bait and you're like, get fishes. Yeah, it also

451
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:11,200
Speaker 1: works on watermelon. So so knowing this isn't full time, man,

452
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 1: I mean, you know what what what is? What is

453
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:15,120
Speaker 1: your hope for the future? Where do you see this going?

454
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 1: Is this kind of stable and you're enjoying what you're

455
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,720
Speaker 1: doing and sort of found homeostasis in balancing bait making

456
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Speaker 1: with the rest of your life, or you know, given

457
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Speaker 1: the opportunity, if you could, if you could go all

458
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Speaker 1: the way and make this full time, is that what

459
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Speaker 1: you really love to do? I would like that is

460
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Speaker 1: super important to me. I would right now. I'm at

461
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Speaker 1: a spot right now though, that the amount that I

462
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 1: can produce is getting close to the maximum level before

463
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Speaker 1: something has to give. So and I also don't there's

464
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Speaker 1: a lot of places that you have to wait six

465
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Speaker 1: months for your bait or five. You know, there's this

466
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Speaker 1: huge and I don't believe in that, especially because people

467
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 1: find you they want their bait right now. So even

468
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 1: asking four weeks is a lot. And that's generally what

469
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 1: my weight is right out between four and five weeks UM.

470
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:08,160
Speaker 1: So right now I found a good spot that I'm

471
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Speaker 1: I can still love my family, I can still do

472
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Speaker 1: my job and not uh have it conflict at all.

473
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:15,880
Speaker 1: But and then I can still take care of all

474
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Speaker 1: my orders. But you're what you're asking, I'm getting close

475
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 1: to that point where a decision has got to be

476
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Speaker 1: made one way or another. But right now I'm in

477
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,919
Speaker 1: a totally happy place and I can keep up with

478
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 1: what I'm doing, like I'm in a good spot and

479
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 1: the bits are very, very obviously in demand. I'll point

480
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Speaker 1: out if you if you heard me being kind of

481
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 1: quiet in this segment, I was just trying to buy

482
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:42,440
Speaker 1: one UM and they are they're currently unavailable. I did.

483
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Speaker 1: I did buy a sweatshirt though, and I'm looking forward

484
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 1: to UH to that coming in. You should have asked

485
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Speaker 1: me from my code. I have a private code for

486
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 1: hash if if folks were looking to UH to buy

487
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 1: some of your baits, where would they how how can

488
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 1: they find you? Man? So up until this point this year,

489
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:05,640
Speaker 1: I kind of made a little bit of a turn.

490
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 1: I was custom prior to two thousand and two, and

491
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 1: that was pushing it back. So this year I'm trying

492
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,119
Speaker 1: to gear down and start to do more of a

493
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 1: bait drop. It gets more baits in people's hands. It's

494
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 1: just a little less like custom UH. And then I'm

495
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 1: leaving open maybe per each drop five or ten custom baits.

496
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:25,879
Speaker 1: It might be a little bit more, but that's at

497
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Speaker 1: the cost of getting the exact pain job you want UM.

498
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,919
Speaker 1: But that that will be drops on my website in

499
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,639
Speaker 1: the future. I want everybody to say that I have

500
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Speaker 1: one of these lures, especially in the custom swim bay world.

501
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 1: You just going to start googling them. And some people

502
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 1: are like, oh, that's a that's a mortgage payment for

503
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 1: that that bait right, like it's it starts to get

504
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,959
Speaker 1: it starts to get a little high. And just the

505
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 1: price of an independent builder like myself. We're not buying

506
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,679
Speaker 1: bulk like the big guys are right. We have to

507
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 1: buy within our means, which obviously drives up the price

508
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 1: of the cost the product. Well, hopefully this, uh, this

509
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Speaker 1: segment will get a few more in a in a

510
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 1: few more bent listen your hands. Maybe you've gotten some

511
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 1: reach out from our crew already, but um dude, I'm

512
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 1: a few weeks away from being able to throw that

513
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 1: that baity yours on the river here as soon as

514
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,880
Speaker 1: the temps come up a little bit. And uh, one

515
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 1: of these days, did if you ever downstate side, we

516
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 1: gotta get together and and and throw some that would

517
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,199
Speaker 1: be awesome. I would love that so much and I

518
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 1: just want to throw at that. If anybody's in Ontario,

519
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 1: I don't know when this is coming out, but March twenty,

520
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:27,199
Speaker 1: that's this Sunday. There's a fishing show in Ontario and

521
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,399
Speaker 1: Peterborough it's my first booth I'm gonna have. You'll be

522
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 1: able to pick up those baits in person. Uh March

523
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 1: twenty and then the Musky World up here. It's it's

524
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 1: a whole different thing. And there's a Musky Odyssey on

525
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 1: April two in Hamilton's and I'm going to try to

526
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 1: get a few baits into that. Hopefully the Musky guys

527
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 1: don't eat much, but I should have some baits available

528
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,119
Speaker 1: at those two spots in person. If you are in Ontario,

529
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 1: Canada during those two days, you will get both those

530
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 1: plugs in in plenty of time for people to join

531
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Speaker 1: you at those events. Man Um. Hopefully I'll be sending

532
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 1: you a few more pictures this season, but we appreciate

533
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 1: you coming on, Brent. Well, we'll be in touch with that.

534
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: We'll be in touch, all right, brother, Thank you guys.

535
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 1: You know, as as I mentioned, I am indeed a

536
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:20,880
Speaker 1: swim bait neophyte. Um never done a ton of fishing

537
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 1: with him, but I always had it into my head

538
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 1: that they were for a big southern bass. But now

539
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: I have a I have a bunch of ideas and

540
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 1: some yeah, I guess, I guess I'm insight into that culture,

541
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,919
Speaker 1: So I think this might end up being the summer

542
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,880
Speaker 1: of conventional fishing. Well, there you go, man, I mean

543
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 1: I would put as as Brent kind of mentioned, I'd

544
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 1: put your order in suing because it's gonna take them

545
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: a little while. Um. But yeah, you know, it's weird

546
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 1: swim baits. People have that idea of this is a

547
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 1: big bait for a big fish. That's not totally the case.

548
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: They're also really popular in the tournament circuit, which is

549
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 1: funky because they do take some dedication. But if you're

550
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 1: good at using them, like our and Oliver and I,

551
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: and you can commit to them. Um, you know they can.

552
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: They can. They can pay off much better than than

553
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: finesse baits at certain times. Um. Anyway, speaking of tournaments,

554
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 1: it's time for our weekly tournament that we call fish News.

555
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:22,919
Speaker 1: Fish News. That escalated quickly, all right, Hey, quick apology

556
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Speaker 1: uh to the guy who wrote in give me give

557
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 1: me a lip, Give me a lip boy for for

558
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: spoiling the plot line of the Old Man in the

559
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 1: Sea last week. I was a bit shocked, right, he was, like,

560
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 1: I've been thinking about reading that for so long, and

561
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 1: now I don't have to. Uh, whoops. I guess, but like, dude,

562
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 1: it'll it'll take you two hours to read. It's a

563
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 1: very short book. Um, it's a very small commitment. I guess.

564
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 1: I assume pretty much everyone was forced to read that

565
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 1: in school anyway, or or if not, you've seen one

566
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 1: of the movies. My bad on that for totally being

567
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 1: the guy who told you Bruce Willis is dead the

568
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 1: whole time in the sixth sense, So make sure you

569
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 1: don't ruin like Hamlet or Romeo and Juliet or you know. Yeah,

570
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: we've also been getting some flak about like reading lately.

571
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 1: It's like I feel like it's like you should have

572
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: put down that to that TV and read. It's like, dude,

573
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 1: like we don't have time to like devour books like

574
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: Miles was the book guy. You know, it's not a

575
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 1: lack of want, it's a lack of time. I have

576
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: two kids. I can't read. The other thing is it's

577
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Speaker 1: like I felt like we gave like a very thoughtful

578
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 1: critique into a like literature based news story and like

579
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 1: offered up genuine academic points. Yeah, people are like, why

580
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: do you hate reading so much? Reading? God, anyway, let's

581
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: get off of that onto news, Uh, starting with conservation minutes.

582
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 1: Here's what I have, which only loosely qualifies uh. An

583
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 1: initiative to preserve tequila fish that began is finally resulted

584
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Speaker 1: in its reintroduction into Mexican rivers. The tequila fish, formerly

585
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Speaker 1: extinct in the wild, is the first Mexican species to

586
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Speaker 1: come back from extinction, which is notable. Conservationists, however, acknowledged

587
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Speaker 1: that saving a drab, green, seven centimeter long fish that

588
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: most people have never heard of has been a long

589
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 1: road and a lot of work. Still, they hope it

590
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 1: may serve as a rallying cry to help safeguard the

591
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 1: country's rivers. So if you're in Old Mexico doing a

592
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 1: little micro fishing and happen to catch it to kuela fish,

593
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 1: what should you do? So that's what I got, Hayden,

594
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: What do you got man? My conservation minute is a

595
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: biologists are looking to save the tequila worm, previously pickled

596
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: in the bottom of your tequila shop. So for my

597
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 1: conservation minutes, UH, let's hit another species. Folks are trying

598
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Speaker 1: to save. The The US Fish and Wildlife Service listed

599
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 1: the big sandy crayfish as threatened, and the I don't

600
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Speaker 1: know why to do with myself. The guy in dot

601
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Speaker 1: river crayfish as a gillandet I don't know river crayfish

602
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 1: as endangered per the Endangered Species Act in US Fish

603
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: and Wildlife has now completed the next phase, and they're

604
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: planning to protect the crawfish, establishing four and forties stream

605
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: miles of habitat deemed essential for the species survival in

606
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: the wild. These waters run through private, public, and state

607
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 1: held lands. And no matter how much it care or

608
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,959
Speaker 1: don't care about these crayfish, it's good news because it

609
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: means one thing, clean water. Anyway, this uh, this by

610
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: the way, it came from News Enterprise dot com. I'm

611
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: just gonna read this as a direct quote here. The

612
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Speaker 1: critical Habitat Rule will be published in the Federal Registry today.

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00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: The rule, comments and materials the service received, as well

614
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 1: as supporting documentation used in preparing the rule, are available

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00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: for public inspection at www. Dot Federal Register dot gov.

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Speaker 1: Slash public hyphen inspection, search for docket number f WS

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Speaker 1: dash R five dash e s dash to zero one

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Speaker 1: nine dash zero zero nine eight. If you want to

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Speaker 1: know more, all right, so let's roll along. I remember

620
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: this is a competition. We don't know which news story

621
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Speaker 1: the other guy brought to the table. At the end,

622
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: our cherished audio engineer Phil will declare a winner, as

623
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Speaker 1: he's known to do. It is my lead this week.

624
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: I believe um so advantage to me And here's where

625
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 1: we're going. Recently, we talked at length about the invasive

626
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: brook trout across the American West, juxtaposing the issue with

627
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 1: just how beloved brookies are in the East. Well, guess

628
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: what a similar situation could be brewing this time with

629
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Speaker 1: small mouths. Now, everybody loves smalley right negative. While Smalley's

630
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: have been planted far and wide across the country, they're

631
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 1: they're really only native to the upper and middle Mississippi

632
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 1: River basin. So why do we love them? Because they're voracious?

633
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: Uh and the damn things fight like the dickens. But

634
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 1: we've already covered how they've become a problem in Maine

635
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: um quite a while back after being illegally introduced into

636
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Speaker 1: into watershed that grow wild trout and support landlocked salmon,

637
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: which are very important to the state. Now smallmouth could

638
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 1: be knocking on the door of Yellowstone National Park right

639
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 1: down the street from Hayden there. Uh and if they

640
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: infiltrate and take hold this this could be unlikely would

641
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: be a huge problem for both the wild and native

642
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: trout populations. Right perer the story on k TOO radio

643
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 1: dot com on February, Montana State University student reported that

644
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: he had caught one small mouth bass in the Gardener River,

645
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: which is right outside the boundary of Yellowstone National Park,

646
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: and he actually had had video to document this catch,

647
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: so it's legit um. Now, the Gardener is a tributary

648
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: of the Yellowstone River, which does have smallmouth bass residing

649
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 1: in it, right. But my understanding of it is that

650
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: the fish has been caught very far from the lower

651
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: stretches of the Yellowstone, where small mouth are typically found,

652
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: So I don't think there's necessarily a ton of mystery

653
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 1: about how it got here. Um. But while it would

654
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: have been a hell of a trek, a small mouth,

655
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 1: again to my understanding, could theoretically swim to this location

656
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: from known smalley haunts. Again, I keep in mind there

657
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 1: there are no dams on the main stem Yellowstone that

658
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:20,879
Speaker 1: would impedea fish from swimming uh from very far away

659
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:22,800
Speaker 1: and covering a lot of ground. Now, with that in mind,

660
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 1: I'm also not totally clear why it's being labeled as invasive.

661
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 1: Unless small mouths are considered invasive throughout the entire Yellowstone,

662
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: non native seems to be a better label. But anyway,

663
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: the question here is, um, is this a fluke like

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00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,760
Speaker 1: a one off, or does it point to the potential

665
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: for a population to take hold in this area? Now,

666
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 1: my takeaway from the story is that wildlife officials are

667
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 1: more concerned about keeping them out of Yellowstone National Park,

668
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 1: specifically more so than the water is just outside of it,

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00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: So it's not a matter of wanting to eradicate them

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00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 1: from the entire system. UM. But you know, obviously, what

671
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 1: part of what makes Yellowstone so iconic the parks so

672
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: iconic is it's trout and trout fishing, and no doubt

673
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: a heap of smallmouth could uh compromise that. UM. Yellowstone

674
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: has already had issues for many, many years with invasive

675
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: lake trout, which are arguably even more voracious than Smalley's um.

676
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: You know, the lakers are mainly in Yellowstone Lake, and

677
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: the rules in place say that anglers that catch them

678
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 1: should kill those or have to kill those, and the

679
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 1: Park Service also sets nets for lakers, and they say

680
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: they kill around three hundred thousand annually. But small mouths

681
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 1: would would, would you know, pose a bigger challenge. So

682
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 1: Todd Cole, he's Yellowstone Supervisory Fisheries biologists, said, quote, the

683
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: smallmouth bass on their own can't swim to Yellowstone Lake.

684
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: So if they do get into the park, it'll be

685
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,760
Speaker 1: in the river systems like the Yellowstone River, the Lamar

686
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: things like that. In those systems, you can't do netting

687
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 1: the way we do on Yellowstone Lake. It's a totally

688
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: different habitat. In river systems, a lot of the time

689
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 1: they're flowing pretty strong, so you can't really put nets

690
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 1: in large rivers like the Yellowstone. It's an advantage to

691
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 1: the non native species. You're limited to what you can

692
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: do to remove them. So it's true. Yeah, true, Trojan

693
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: small is for the wind, although hopefully you know so

694
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: convinced it's terrible branding for Trojan condoms. Yeah, oh man, yes,

695
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 1: you are correct. They would that that would be memes

696
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: at the wazoo. Um. Yeah, so, look, is this on

697
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 1: is this like on on the cusp of happening? I

698
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 1: don't really think so. I mean, right now, it's one

699
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 1: small mouth bass, but for for the for the nonbelievers

700
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: out there. You know, I'll tell you this. For years,

701
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 1: I kept a big tank with some fish that I

702
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: caught in it, you know what I mean. Had a

703
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,479
Speaker 1: couple of croppies swimming in the living room, a couple

704
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 1: of pickrell and um. I remember one time I caught

705
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 1: this micro small mouth out of this creek, I mean,

706
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: this tiny, tiny little guy, and I threw him in there,

707
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: and he was smaller than every fish in the tank

708
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: and terrorized the living ship out of all of them.

709
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: I mean, he had them cowering in the corner. I mean,

710
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 1: a pickerel that could damn near eat him was cowering

711
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 1: in the corner of a tank. So as much as

712
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: I love small mouth bass and I do think it's

713
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: cool when you have one of these rivers where trout

714
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,720
Speaker 1: and small mouth naturally crossover, you have some big browns

715
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 1: and some nice small mouth. Um. Yeah, man, like they

716
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: they are mean and territorial, and they can screw up

717
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 1: a system. So would not be a good thing. If

718
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: if they got into Yellowstone and really too, it would

719
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 1: not be a good thing. Man. You know. It's it's

720
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: it's interesting, and we're gonna get into this. In my

721
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 1: news story. But um, you know, it's kind of like

722
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: the double edge of a a damned river. And obviously

723
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: I'm not advocating damning the Yellowstone, but a lot of

724
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: times it works as an a active barrier. Um. So

725
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,879
Speaker 1: when you know what, let's hit an ad and let's

726
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: get right into, uh, into my news story where we

727
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 1: talk about how damns might be a good thing in

728
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: a particular instance of an invasive Asian carp. Please enter

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00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: your password. You have one unheard message. Goddamn you. You

730
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 1: knew that you were supposed to get those rods from

731
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: thirteen and send them my way, And now I see

732
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 1: you all over Instagram fishing with the rods that were

733
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: meant for me. Send them when you get a minute,

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00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: please and thank you. Bye. End of message, Delete press seven,

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00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:48,320
Speaker 1: save deleted. All right, So, as promised before the break,

736
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 1: this week we're talking about carp, specifically illegal carp dealers

737
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 1: and all sorts of conservation issues that go along with that.

738
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 1: So over the last four years, Wisconsin authorities have been

739
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,760
Speaker 1: trying to stop a lone wolf fish dealer from dealing

740
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: his fish. Mr Lee Ping of Platteville, Wisconsin. I feel

741
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: like this guy has come up before. This is not

742
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 1: his first rodeo, and I mean it's a pretty common name.

743
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 1: Well anyway, So he's been formally convicted of selling a

744
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: very invasive species where I guess a couple of different

745
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:24,359
Speaker 1: invasive species, those being a three varieties of asian carp.

746
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: All the stem from a public complaint filed in After

747
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: building their case against Mr Ping using undercover agents, surveillance

748
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 1: and GPS tracking, Wisconsin DNR file charges in. So this

749
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: has been ongoing. Oh, that's probably where this came up

750
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 1: in news. That's probably what we hit. Yeah, same dude,

751
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 1: same issue. Here's the conviction, folks. I'd also like to

752
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: know exactly what this sting operation looked like. Like I

753
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: I left a message for somebody in a Grant County,

754
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 1: Whisco where where the incident occurred, but I have yet

755
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: to hear back. Anyway, Uh, they believe that mr Ping

756
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 1: has been selling these carps for years prior to you know, uh,

757
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 1: to to this finding and this operation and ultimately this conviction.

758
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,359
Speaker 1: And I think like what they tracked with, something like

759
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:20,439
Speaker 1: nine thousand pounds of live asian carp had been sold. Anyway,

760
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: this was the first ever for Wisconsin d NR officials

761
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 1: as Asian carp have never been sold in the state

762
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 1: as far as they know. Meaning uh, I guess there

763
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 1: are likely just more successful carp dealers than than than

764
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 1: Mr Pink. So let's talk about these carps. I'm sure

765
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 1: that many of you know what Asian carp are. I

766
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 1: also assume there are many of you who are listening

767
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,839
Speaker 1: and thinking right at this moment, there are carp all

768
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: over Wisconsin. What's the big deal? Well, the folks who

769
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 1: know what Asian carp are are currently screaming at their phones.

770
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: Asian carp are not common carp which have been kicking

771
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 1: around Wisconsin waterways since the eighteen hundreds. Asian carp are

772
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: not only highly invasive but also highly dis tructive. The

773
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 1: main concern and Joe like you know you can bring

774
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: your understanding of it here. Um. The main concern is

775
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 1: that they outcompete native fish for both space and resources,

776
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,800
Speaker 1: as well as lowering the water quality, often through eating

777
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: like native muscles and stuff. Um. If you've ever seen

778
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: videos of like hundreds of fish flying out of the

779
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 1: water behind a boat, those are the Asian carp we're

780
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 1: talking about. Anyhow, One of the main reasons this is

781
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 1: obviously problematic is the transfer of an invasive species into

782
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 1: waterways in which they currently have not been found. Of

783
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 1: particular concern are Asian carp getting into the Great Lakes,

784
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 1: which could be catastrophic for the fisheries which like generate

785
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 1: and estimated like seven billion dollars of revenue. Everything. That's

786
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 1: a war that's been being fought for years trying to

787
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: keep these things out of the joe. Last week we

788
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:53,320
Speaker 1: proved that you are not very good at a geography. Uh,

789
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,800
Speaker 1: but I'm sure you know this. Wisconsin borders Lake Superior,

790
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 1: and Asian carp have been found in the Saint Croix River,

791
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 1: which connects via wetlands to Lake Superior. This would be

792
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,359
Speaker 1: troublesome except for the fact that there is one much

793
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 1: maligned but now convenient obstacle in the way, a twenty

794
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: ft hydro electric dam, and after navigating this twenty ft hurdle,

795
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: Asian carp would also need to get through um like

796
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 1: these these aforementioned wetlands that that connect the end of

797
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: the Saint Croix to Lake Superior. Um. Because of all this,

798
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 1: Army Corps of Engineers is not terribly concerned about the

799
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: Asian carp entering through this means, and Lake Superior seems

800
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: to be safe from Wisconsin originated carp finding their way

801
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 1: into the lake at this moment. That said, the sale

802
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 1: of invasive species in this way to folks who might

803
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: put them in Lake Superior or a nearby body of

804
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 1: water that could indirectly transfer them into Lake Superior is

805
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: still a major concern. And that's exactly exactly like what

806
00:42:55,560 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: the concern is with what Mr Ping has been facilitating. Yeah,

807
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 1: as I as I remember it, I mean, so so

808
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: live live is obviously a no no, and there's some

809
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: gray area even on dead, but it's just it's just

810
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: too risky. I remember part of the fight last time

811
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 1: was well this guy is repurposing them. He's taking something

812
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: that we don't want anyway and creating a use for them. Um,

813
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: but I recall that was the issue is that they

814
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 1: were not all dead. Yeah, yeah, well that that's exactly

815
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 1: like sort of it. For the record, you can still

816
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 1: buy and transport Haitian carp in Wisconsin, just as long

817
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:32,919
Speaker 1: as they're either completely disemboweled or their gills have been

818
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:36,760
Speaker 1: completely destroyed. You know, it's like it's like anything else.

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00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 1: I mean, you know in there are plenty of states

820
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 1: with like the rusty crawfish right where you can transport

821
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,240
Speaker 1: them all you want, as long as they've been boiled,

822
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,760
Speaker 1: you know, or or as long as it's like just tails.

823
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: The second that you try and bring one of those

824
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 1: things live, like that's where like the problem is obviously. Um.

825
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 1: Another interesting thing to note in this case is that

826
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 1: Mr mr Ping was transferring these carp in unmarked refrigerated trucks,

827
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 1: making it very hard for folks to identify him. Is like,

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00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: I don't know a seller of car guy. Yeah, the

829
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 1: car guy, yeah, Mr carp um. Yeah. Anyhow, look, it's

830
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: very concerning and good for the Wisconsin DNR for hopefully

831
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 1: nipping this in the bud. Mr Ping has obviously lost

832
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 1: all ability to continue as a fish farmer and is

833
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 1: ordered to pay dollars in fines as a result of

834
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 1: a of a plea deal, which seems like not enough

835
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: to be honest with you. Yeah, I mean, look, the guy.

836
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 1: The guy is doing bad stuff. He's doing legal things

837
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,760
Speaker 1: at the same time, I think the argument still stands.

838
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: It's like, if this guy could just do this right,

839
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: could just follow the rules, he's doing a good thing, right,

840
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 1: he is he is repurposing something that shouldn't be here.

841
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: And and I mean a little more on these carp

842
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 1: A lot of them are filter feeders. They very but

843
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: is he doing a good thing? Like why farm him

844
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 1: at all? But see my interpretation of that is I

845
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 1: don't necessarily think just he may very well own a

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00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 1: fish farm or what he calls a fish farm, doesn't

847
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,839
Speaker 1: necessarily mean that he's growing the Asian carp. I think

848
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 1: that that that kind of sums it up. It doesn't.

849
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:14,359
Speaker 1: It doesn't have documentation of how they were caught, which

850
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 1: means he probably also has an illegal commercial operation. So

851
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 1: if I'm correct on that, the point kind of stands

852
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: that it's like, if he were just doing everything he's

853
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:26,359
Speaker 1: doing on the up and up, if he's got enough

854
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 1: buyers for Asian carp, great kill as many as you

855
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 1: possibly can and sell them. So you know, this is

856
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 1: one of those deals where it's like, dude, how hard

857
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: is it to to get the permits and do it

858
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 1: the right way? You know? But I won't take away

859
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 1: I mean he's not, so therefore he kind of deserves

860
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 1: what he gets. I mean, rules is rules, Marty, You

861
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Rules is rules, Joe, And to

862
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 1: that end, I believe that Phil Taylor, our beloved engineer,

863
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 1: is going to issue his ruling on on who wins

864
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 1: Fish News. Uh. You know, Joe, you want to you

865
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 1: want to make the segway or I do it. No,

866
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 1: I'll do it, becau. As soon as we're done here

867
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:03,839
Speaker 1: and from Phil, we're gonna take a We're gonna take

868
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 1: a little spin on the most ridiculous vehicle that we've

869
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: ever seen. The winner this week is Hayden Sammick. Hayden,

870
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: thank you so much for that story. But I would

871
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: like to say a big no thank you to these

872
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 1: officials in Wisconsin because that guy was also my psychedelic

873
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: toad dealer. And now I'm going to have to find

874
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:30,399
Speaker 1: something else to lick in the bathroom at work. Why

875
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 1: did you put the hand to pay? You don't know

876
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 1: what I'm getting, man, You didn't have to be so

877
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: hurtful with me so angry. Big shout out to listener

878
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 1: James Helen for sending this one along. Uh. And it's

879
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: a bit of a departure for us. Okay, we're sort

880
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: of entering a new octagon here because we um we

881
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 1: typically lean on on old, weird, beat up stuff from

882
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 1: Craigslist and the like. Uh, and occasionally we'll dabble in

883
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 1: cheap gimmickry from like the Facebook marketplace. But the item

884
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: up for auction today is probably BLI. If it's not

885
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: the highest priced item we've ever had, it's got to

886
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 1: be close. Um, And in my opinion at least, it's

887
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 1: it's one of the most absurd and I'm curious to

888
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 1: see if we're going to agree on that. Yeah. The

889
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 1: only thing I think that it's like comparably priced and

890
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 1: like comparably categorized would be do you remember what we

891
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 1: did that that converted fish camper thing. Yeah, that was

892
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 1: going for now, that was going for like five or

893
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 1: six grand. Okay, well that this is Yeah, that's still

894
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 1: cheaper than what we're gonna talk about anyhow. Okay, Yeah,

895
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 1: So it's it's definitely fair to say that this item

896
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 1: has a fishing application, but it transcends just fishing. And

897
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: what we're talking about is the Z Triton. This is

898
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 1: the future. This is Z tried on, a boat, tricycle

899
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 1: and a camper combined in one. Z Z tritan, a

900
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 1: self propelled vehicle that is a tricycle, boat and RV

901
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 1: all wrapped up into one oh so convenient package. Yeah

902
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 1: kind of, and to get wrapped up into one yourself

903
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 1: with some modicum of comfort. I hope you're very very small,

904
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 1: like not Joe Sameli or Hayden Samack sized. But you

905
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: got you could do it. I couldn't. So what is this? Well,

906
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 1: it's the brainch out of Latvian designer eye gars Louses

907
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 1: and isn't wowsers Louses? I mean, I know, isn't. Isn't

908
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,800
Speaker 1: you honest of Latvian descent? Because I'm sure I'm butchering

909
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 1: that name and I'll probably hear about it. No, No,

910
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: they call him the Latvian equal because he's Irish. Uh yeah,

911
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 1: oh you're right. Yeah anyway, Um, so so this this

912
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 1: feller has got a four minute video on his website

913
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 1: that tells the story of how the z Triting came

914
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 1: to be. And it came to be because I's um

915
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 1: took it upon himself to bike more than thirty thousand

916
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:55,320
Speaker 1: kilometers from London to Tokyo, which tells me, at minimum

917
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 1: he probably doesn't have children. Anyway, we all know how

918
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: hard it can be taking your touring bike thirty tho

919
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 1: kilometers because it can't cross water, it is not a boat,

920
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 1: and you have to carry your tent and things and

921
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 1: set the darn thing up every night, which is just

922
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 1: that just sucks. If only there were a tricycle capable

923
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 1: that is also an RV and a boat. Yeah, so

924
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 1: so I gres was like, obviously I need to find

925
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: a solution to this very common problem. I came up

926
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: with a solution that combines a small boat, a tricycle,

927
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 1: and a tiny compa. Not long after, I build a

928
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: first mock up in phm board while still on the

929
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 1: road during your stopover in Shanghai, and that's how it

930
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 1: all began. Afterwards, I returned to Europe, set up a

931
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 1: company and built the first Z tried on prototype. It's

932
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,320
Speaker 1: a it's a hard thing to describe. It's weird. Man. Yeah,

933
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 1: we don't really know where to start with it. But

934
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 1: immediately what comes to mind is that it looks like

935
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 1: the escape vehicle Jeff Bezos would use. If it's like

936
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 1: mega yacht sanc can picture that. Yeah, of course we'll

937
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 1: like throw shots this on Instagram today, but try to

938
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 1: picture this up front. You got like a wheel and

939
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:14,760
Speaker 1: handlebars and a folding bicycle seat that extends over the stern,

940
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 1: which is complete with like cleats and what appeared to

941
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 1: be like run you know runners. Yeah, okay, now if

942
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:23,319
Speaker 1: you're moving backwards away from that stern. Now, now you

943
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 1: get to what's sort of the r V portion. So

944
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:29,760
Speaker 1: picture a very like geometric e glue on the back

945
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 1: of glow boat. Iglueglue e glue iglue. Yeah yeah, so

946
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 1: uh the igloo has solar panels. Um and in the

947
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 1: video I even has a plant growing out of a

948
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:47,320
Speaker 1: special plant holder on the roof that, according to the video,

949
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 1: allows you to take your favorite plant with you, and

950
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 1: a pot that allows you to take your favorite plant

951
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:56,320
Speaker 1: on an adventure with you. Um. Now there are wheels

952
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 1: built into the underside. If you real quick, if you

953
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 1: have to take a plant with you to go out

954
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 1: into nature, you don't belong there, man, Like that's something

955
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:07,839
Speaker 1: about there's a nice thing about nature. Man. There are

956
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 1: lots of plants already out there, yes, yes, right, So

957
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 1: now now there are wheels built into the underside of

958
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 1: of the of this boat. Um, which makes the whole

959
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 1: package a tricycle on land. But then on what are

960
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 1: you fold those rear wheels up inflate and strap on

961
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 1: some pontoons, right, uh, And the entire front pedal drive

962
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 1: folds up, the roof slides back, and now you have

963
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:33,880
Speaker 1: a boat complete with an electric trolling motor and a

964
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,399
Speaker 1: steering wheel. It even has a tiny instrument panel for

965
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 1: you know, like interior and exterior lights, plus a fan.

966
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 1: Um and and those of you familiar with the tricked

967
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,800
Speaker 1: out tuggy sandboxes that have come up so many times

968
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 1: on this show, this puts them all to shame, right,

969
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 1: this is this is like a a a a high

970
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: production level tricked out tuggy. And of course there are

971
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 1: even oars in case you you run out of juice. Now,

972
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 1: like the there is an incredible amount of engineering and

973
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 1: technology and the Z Tritan, there's no denying that it's

974
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 1: got solar panels and in trike mode it has an

975
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 1: electric motor assist, so like you know, like like sort

976
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:17,439
Speaker 1: of e bike, Right, it's got Bluetooth. Hey, there's even

977
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 1: us B charging. And in camper mode, which isn't much

978
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 1: different than bow mode, you have a tiny table room

979
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:28,879
Speaker 1: to sleep too if you're like very intimately inclined each other,

980
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 1: and plenty of storage for as it like notes your

981
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 1: ruck sacks and there are like you know, as we've

982
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:40,319
Speaker 1: been kind of bringing clips in, there's this weird like

983
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:45,399
Speaker 1: I don't know how to describe it. Well, maybe it's

984
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:50,319
Speaker 1: like if you described um outdoor pursuits to somebody who

985
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: has never been outside before. And like the photos of

986
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 1: the things people are doing on the site, like in

987
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 1: this thing, all right, well, I I'm gonna get that.

988
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 1: I got I gotta I gotta talk about one thing

989
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:06,400
Speaker 1: in particular, man. So number one, there's this weird infatuation

990
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 1: with ruck sacks, rucks extent like igar fields the need

991
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 1: to include. And then the from Latfia they don't have

992
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if they have jam sports over there

993
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 1: they anyway, there you're gonna get us in trouble with

994
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 1: be honest. There's a there's a photo of a um

995
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 1: doing air quotes like you can't see it, but I'm

996
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: doing them. Um of a wildlife photographer, Dude, this is

997
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 1: my favorite part of this whole thing. And it's like

998
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 1: a clip of him photographing who knows what with this

999
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 1: like telephoto lens. But like what's so funny about it

1000
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 1: is he's shooting his photo through the plexiglass windshield. Yeah. Well, well,

1001
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 1: it's not even that. It's like, I'm not a photographer,

1002
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 1: but I assume that you would probably be inclined to, like,

1003
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 1: I don't know, move six inches to the right or

1004
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 1: left and get around the windshield instead of shooting through it.

1005
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:05,400
Speaker 1: Number two, the dude is in So another thing about

1006
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 1: this the z triton is that it's like aggressively teal right,

1007
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:14,320
Speaker 1: that's very bright. Yes, yes, it's like de pressively aggressive.

1008
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 1: And the dude is sitting in the middle, is very

1009
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 1: conspicuous craft in a cameo poncho with full face paint.

1010
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 1: And he pulls up the camera to take this picture

1011
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 1: and is not looking at like the the l c

1012
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 1: D screen viewfinder. He's not looking at like the manual viewfinder,

1013
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:38,399
Speaker 1: like the little I don't know he has it. He

1014
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 1: has like everything pressed right up against his forehead in

1015
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 1: such a way that he would never be able to

1016
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 1: see out of either of these things if you find

1017
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 1: her or the screen. I know, I know, dude, I

1018
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:54,359
Speaker 1: know that the marketing photos chosen are strange. But we'll we'll,

1019
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 1: we'll move on with this. I also just want to

1020
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 1: add they didn't linger on the sleeping of the two

1021
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 1: people very long in the video because like you'd have

1022
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:03,239
Speaker 1: to have no desire to roll over at any point

1023
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 1: in the night. Romantic, we can get ways, so listen, right,

1024
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:11,320
Speaker 1: we need not debate. I think the value of the

1025
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:14,760
Speaker 1: product if you're genuinely the person that is going to

1026
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 1: to take it long distances and use all these features too,

1027
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 1: I don't I mean basically live off the grid for

1028
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 1: a little while, but I think that's very few people overall.

1029
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 1: So to just look at it from a fishing perspective,

1030
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 1: I don't know, right, because while it does pack so

1031
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:33,359
Speaker 1: much into one vehicle, it looks to me like you

1032
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 1: have room for nothing. Right and on the water, um,

1033
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 1: I get the impression like it'd be fine if you

1034
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 1: don't move or shift your weight while you're operating this

1035
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 1: at a boat. So imagine being crammed into a pod

1036
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 1: with your your tackle on your lap, trying to maneuver

1037
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 1: the boat, casting fighting fish. I mean, I could not

1038
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 1: find the exact spects on the website, but the whole

1039
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 1: package can't be much longer than ten feet. And if

1040
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,439
Speaker 1: you've ever been fishing on a ten foot john boat,

1041
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 1: especially with two people, which I have, and it sucks

1042
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:11,360
Speaker 1: right now, now, imagine doing so on a ten foot

1043
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 1: John boat that also has a roof and a cabin

1044
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 1: and extra parts and pieces just sprouting from everywhere. Yeah,

1045
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 1: I mean in theory it makes sense. Well, you know,

1046
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 1: bike to the lake fish Lake camp on the banks.

1047
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 1: But for the privilege of doing that with one kind

1048
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 1: of clunky vehicle, you're paying north of fifteen grand. Fifteen

1049
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 1: thousand dollars, that is, that is the price. Now, I mean, dude,

1050
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:37,720
Speaker 1: at five grand, maybe I could see it six grand,

1051
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 1: you know, but I just can't help but think about

1052
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:43,360
Speaker 1: what fifteen thousand dollars buys you in like use truck

1053
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 1: caps and and used aluminum boats. Um, so let's call

1054
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 1: it like it is. You've already hinted as much. Even

1055
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Speaker 1: if you had the money for this. If you saw

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Speaker 1: someone roll up to the lake in this John and splash, like,

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00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 1: would you be like, oh my god, how neat is that?

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00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 1: Would that that's would that be your reaction? Yep? No,

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00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 1: it probably wouldn't. Probably probably not even lying. My reaction

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00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:11,800
Speaker 1: would like I would wave at this person. I'd be like,

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00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 1: oh hey, man, how's it going, you know, And in

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00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 1: the second that I thought that that individual was out

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00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 1: at earshot I'd like turn to my buddy and just

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00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 1: ridicule that person, just mercilessly. Number one. I imagine whoever

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Speaker 1: whoever is driving it has like a turtleneck on, and

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00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 1: like definitely those uh who makes them? Those water like

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00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 1: sandals with like the clothes toe, like the inner the

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00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 1: keen that they think they're keen. You know what I'm

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00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 1: talking about? Not really, but yeah, okay, just imagine like

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Speaker 1: the most like uh, what do you bob call him?

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00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 1: Mouss Yeah, imagine that would drive Yeah, yeah, just like

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00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 1: upper Elite Granola hybrid kind of vehicle, like somebody who

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Speaker 1: likes to think of them as an outdoorsman, but it

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00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 1: is really like a house cat. Well, yeah, you heard

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00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 1: it here first, upper Elite Granola or whatever you just said.

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00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 1: I don't, yeah, I I would at least be making

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00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 1: fun of you in my head. So check this thing out.

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00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 1: We'll post it. We'd love to know what you guys think. Anyway, Jeff,

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00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 1: thanks for sending that along. It was fun. Um yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're curiously what you guys have to say about it.

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Speaker 1: The website, if you're interested, is z dash Triton dot com.

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00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 1: If you've gone away to get your hands on your

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Speaker 1: own Z Triton. We have great news for you, z

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Speaker 1: take a step into the future, pre Z Triton. Now

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Speaker 1: I'm start planning your next adventure, Z tried On. And hey,

1087
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 1: if you find something fishing related and ridiculous for sale

1088
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 1: on the world wide Web, do please make sure to

1089
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 1: send those links to Bent at the meat eater dot com. Dude,

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00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is man that wildlife photographer,

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Speaker 1: Just like I think we should post that too. You know,

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00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 1: it doesn't make a big Z triton, but we should.

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00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 1: One of us should throw that up to Yeah. I

1094
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 1: came like so close to comment on the YouTube video,

1095
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 1: but as is so often the case, I I type something,

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00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 1: thought about it, and then deleted it. Yeah, and that's

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00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 1: the right thing to do. Like I I don't ever like,

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00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 1: I don't really drop comments unless it's like a Bent

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00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 1: fan or a buddy of mine and I have something

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00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 1: to say. I don't like I would. Yeah, I gers

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00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 1: doesn't need to hear my thoughts. It's fine, He's hearing

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Speaker 1: it enough from other people. No. Yeah, it was something

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00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 1: that took a surprising amount of like self restraint although

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00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 1: there's a certain freedom and just like relentlessly sharing your thoughts, uh,

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00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 1: even when unsolicited. Well it's kind of like this podcast anyway.

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00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 1: Good news For some reason, people are actually asking us

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00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 1: to share our thoughts. And this week we're gonna try

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00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 1: our best to help one listener figure out why he

1109
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:52,960
Speaker 1: sucks at striper fishing on the bent helpline. What do

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00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 1: you laughing at, Markini? You're not an idiot, you're not

1111
00:59:56,800 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 1: a gambloning help more, you're a fisherman. What's your emergency?

1112
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 1: This week we've got a question from listener Richard Jackson,

1113
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 1: who hails from the so Cow High Desert and he's

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01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 1: a striper guy. So I'm about that um a little

1115
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 1: all over the place here with the question, but we're

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01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:19,120
Speaker 1: gonna try and whittle it down. So he says, I

1117
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 1: have a question about targeting wintertime freshwater stripe bass from

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01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 1: the bank as I don't own a boat and the

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01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 1: lake I love to fish, which I'm gonna keep out

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01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:28,920
Speaker 1: of it. We don't need to burn the dude. Spot

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01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 1: does not allow boats or any watercraft. What is your

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01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:35,920
Speaker 1: favorite retrieve for a bucktail in the winter. I usually

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01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 1: use a half ounce or one ounce bucktail year round,

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01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:41,240
Speaker 1: but it seems that all I catch in winter is

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Speaker 1: large mouths and small mouths. I want to up my

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01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 1: game and get a twenty pounds striper this year, but

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01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:48,680
Speaker 1: relying on the spring and fall run feels like it

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01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 1: can be too easy. And I will verify what he

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01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 1: says next. They'll hit a polished herd if you throw

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Speaker 1: it into one of those massive boils. The bucktails I

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01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 1: throw are usually white red shart truths. Do you think

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01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 1: guys should switch to black or blue forgetting them when

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01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 1: they are deeper in the winter. Um, I said, there's

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01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:10,280
Speaker 1: a there's a lot going on there. But I I

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01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 1: think now, granted I know a lot about stripers on

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01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 1: the East coast, no fair amount about stripers inland and

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01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:19,440
Speaker 1: the Carolinas in Tennessee and how that game works. Have

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01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 1: not fished for them, um in so Caw or out west.

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01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 1: But they're gonna behave. I mean stripers behave like stripers.

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01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:29,560
Speaker 1: And really, Richard, I think that the issue here, which

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01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:32,400
Speaker 1: we can talk more about, UM, you're not casting to

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01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:34,560
Speaker 1: where they are. I just I I kind of think

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01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 1: look at having looked up the body of water that

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01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 1: you're fishing, it's pretty deep. It's fairly big reservoir, and

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01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 1: even though your winters are warmer, certainly than out here,

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01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 1: I would suspect that stripers are still gonna do wintertime things,

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01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:50,960
Speaker 1: and here that's often they go with the bait, right

1148
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 1: and in the wintertime bait suspends in in open water,

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01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 1: sometimes very deep, and the stripers will suspend out there

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01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:02,240
Speaker 1: with it. So I don't really think it's the lure

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01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:06,280
Speaker 1: or the color or the approach. Um. I just don't

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01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 1: think from sure you can get you didn't give me

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01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 1: any you can get the bucktail to the stripe bass.

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01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:19,440
Speaker 1: Now I'm laughing, folks, because when Joe and I were

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01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:23,120
Speaker 1: talking about selecting a question, I told him. I was like, well,

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01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 1: here's what I know about this. It's not much, so

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Speaker 1: I'm going to give the basic answer and then you

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01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:31,120
Speaker 1: come and elaborate. And Joe, you just stole everything that

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01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:34,400
Speaker 1: I told you. I was about to say, well, I mean,

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Speaker 1: we've just informed the listener, though, have we not? What

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01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 1: would you like to have you up? Well, I was

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01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:43,280
Speaker 1: going to say that he's in a reservoir and those

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01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:45,600
Speaker 1: fish are probably suspending deep and what he needs to

1164
01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:48,560
Speaker 1: do is find, uh, find where that is and it's

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01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 1: not so much the color, but because you've already said that,

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna shut the heck up and let you

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01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:54,840
Speaker 1: keep going. No, no, no, dude, that's look. I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying that this. I'm not saying that they're is not

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01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:04,000
Speaker 1: a a spot within that reservoir, or maybe you'd be

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01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:07,120
Speaker 1: more successful. I don't know what the underwater topography looks like.

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01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:10,080
Speaker 1: I don't know where the drops are, but it is

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01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 1: a very good chance that those fish in the dead

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01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:14,200
Speaker 1: of winter are suspended out there in twenty or thirty

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01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:18,680
Speaker 1: or fifty ft of water where all the bait is. Um. Wait, wait, hey, hey,

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01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 1: what's it called? We're I'll delete it. I'll like, I'll

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01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:30,800
Speaker 1: delete the thing you see if it's on Nabionics. My

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01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:37,800
Speaker 1: free dram membership expired. Okay, sorry, moving on. So it's

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01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:40,840
Speaker 1: funny though that he he brings up um only catching

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01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:43,280
Speaker 1: small mouths and large mounts in the winter, right, because

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01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:47,000
Speaker 1: anywhere you go hair jigs in general, whether it's bucktail

1181
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:49,320
Speaker 1: or synthetic or we we've talked about float and fly

1182
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:53,680
Speaker 1: on here, very good wintertime bait. But I also think

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01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 1: just the fact the loan that he's catching large mouths

1184
01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:59,760
Speaker 1: and small mouths in the winter also points to him

1185
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:04,040
Speaker 1: not being necessarily deep enough. We're in the right places,

1186
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like thinking about where stripers

1187
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:09,440
Speaker 1: set up on rivers and lakes. Here, you're typically not

1188
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:12,080
Speaker 1: catching the stripers where the small mouths are. They just

1189
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:18,600
Speaker 1: do different things. Yeah, yep, um, well I'm satisfied. Without answer, Joe,

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01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:20,960
Speaker 1: what do you think? I think I think he's probably

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01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:23,120
Speaker 1: learned something from that. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I feel

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01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:25,640
Speaker 1: bad now that you haven't contre But in fairness, I

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01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:27,240
Speaker 1: didn't ask you to team me up for your carbon

1194
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:29,280
Speaker 1: monoxide deal. I'll let you have the floor. That's your

1195
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:34,080
Speaker 1: area of expertise, is it not. I'm going to take

1196
01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:43,560
Speaker 1: the carbon oxide alarms out of your shandy, Joe. So

1197
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:45,800
Speaker 1: that's it for this week. Make sure to camo up

1198
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:48,200
Speaker 1: in your super yacht, life boat winds, snapping pictures of

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01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:50,840
Speaker 1: pheasants from a safe distance. Break out those swim baits,

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01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:53,360
Speaker 1: even if you don't think there's a bass big enough

1201
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:55,680
Speaker 1: to eat one in your lake. And remember, putting your

1202
01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:58,040
Speaker 1: ice gear in the storage unit and organizing your warm

1203
01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:01,880
Speaker 1: winter gear definitely counts as spring cleaning. Yeah, and whether

1204
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:04,400
Speaker 1: it's a more spring or more winter where you are,

1205
01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:08,360
Speaker 1: keep using those degenerate Angler and Bent podcast hashtags on

1206
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:11,560
Speaker 1: the old Instagram. Uh, we always love to see what

1207
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:15,600
Speaker 1: you're catching. Help me live vicariously through you we do.

1208
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:18,320
Speaker 1: And finally, remember that while we encourage the investment in

1209
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:21,040
Speaker 1: some high quality swin baits, don't come crying us when

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01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:23,000
Speaker 1: you put them in a tree. Within three casts,