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Speaker 1: Advice for sure, spice, It's time nice hell leve lo

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Speaker 1: and love and lo and low and lo. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the naught Even Night Show. I'm your host, Rumshoozer and

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Speaker 1: it's Thursday, which means our dear friend Mack Lupo joins us. Hey, Lupie,

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Speaker 1: are you there? Lewis here? He ro Loupy Lupy Lou.

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Speaker 1: We have a ton of gossip to get into. Let's

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Speaker 1: jump right in.

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Speaker 2: What time is it? My friends? And is tea time?

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Speaker 1: Big story at the top of the show. So the

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Speaker 1: Beckhams have wished Brooklyn a happy birthday despite the family feuds.

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Speaker 1: The Victoria and David sent their love to their son Brooklyn.

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Speaker 1: But they did it on Instagram. So Brooklyn turns twenty seven.

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Speaker 1: They do have his phone number, they do have his email.

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Speaker 1: They have been estranged, and so what did Victoria and

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Speaker 1: David do? They posted the most beautiful gallery of pictures

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Speaker 1: of him as a little boy. They look just the

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Speaker 1: most perfect family where we know they're not speaking, and

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Speaker 1: we also know that Brooklyn has asked, I don't think

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Speaker 1: you can demand this, but you can ask that all

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Speaker 1: communications goes through a lawyer. He doesn't want to talk

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Speaker 1: to his family. Now they have pushed back friends of

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Speaker 1: Brooklyn's who tell me this is exactly why he's not

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Speaker 1: speaking to his mom and dad. It's all performance. It's

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Speaker 1: all performance art. This is all about the brand of Beckham's.

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Speaker 1: It's not about real feelings. If they wanted to fix

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Speaker 1: stuff with their son, posting beautiful photographs for the whole

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Speaker 1: world to see on Instagram is probably not the way

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Speaker 1: to go. However, I did speak to some friends of

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Speaker 1: Victoria and David and they said they really miss him

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Speaker 1: and they don't know how to fix this and they

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Speaker 1: don't know how to move forward. And to not acknowledge

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Speaker 1: his birthday that would have said something too. They couldn't

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Speaker 1: really win if they had not said happy birthday to

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Speaker 1: always us. They always say happy Birthday publicly. If they

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Speaker 1: hadn't said it, this year would be like, ah, ah,

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Speaker 1: it's because they fell out. Now they did acknowledge it,

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Speaker 1: and we're like, ah, it's because they're playing games. It

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Speaker 1: is a very tricky position to be in. How do

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Speaker 1: you feel about it, Malkan, How do you feel about

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Speaker 1: using social media to say happy birthday to your friends,

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Speaker 1: to your loved ones?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I saw the posts, and they were

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Speaker 3: actually really sweet. They had a baby picture of him,

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Speaker 3: and it just reminds you of like they were, you know,

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Speaker 3: a happy family at one point. And so I was

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Speaker 3: looking at it more like a smoke singal, like, hey,

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Speaker 3: we really do care about you, and you know, let's

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Speaker 3: take the lawyers out of this and remind you that

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Speaker 3: this is humanize the story, humanize what's going on. I

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Speaker 3: think Brooklyn's a brat, and I think he you know,

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Speaker 3: they're desperate to, I think, reconnect with their child.

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Speaker 1: He's still a child.

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Speaker 3: These twenty seventhes bring justice developed, I think, And so

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Speaker 3: it makes me sad, honestly, like, jeez, I wish they

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Speaker 3: could just figure this out.

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Speaker 1: Oh look, how nice you're being so nice the pictures.

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Speaker 2: I like them too. I just don't know.

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Speaker 1: If posted them publicly is the way to go. Maybe

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Speaker 1: they should have just texted him the pictures like happy

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Speaker 1: memories or I remember when you were a little boy

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Speaker 1: and we miss that little boy, We miss you, Like

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Speaker 1: I'm really really suspicious about public acknowledgements. I know that

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Speaker 1: I'm allowed mouth. I know what I do for a living.

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Speaker 1: I'm painfully aware that I'm very curious. Some would say Nozie,

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Speaker 1: But when it comes to my own private life, my

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Speaker 1: don't wish my brothers and sisters happy birthday on social media,

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Speaker 1: and in fact, I don't think I even followed them

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Speaker 1: and eat some flowers. And it's some parts I don't

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Speaker 1: know about it. Where are you, Mark, You're a little

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Speaker 1: What is this?

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Speaker 3: by seeing them in person or calling them. I don't

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't either a friend of mine, a really

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Speaker 1: But she told me it really changed my life. She said,

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Speaker 1: social media is not for your friends, it's for your job.

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Speaker 1: Use social media to promote what you want to do workwise.

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Speaker 1: And I'm very, very careful about my social media. It's

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Speaker 1: using it as a tool to get information at that

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Speaker 1: to get into. We went for a birthday party and

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Speaker 1: I don't need to show off that sort of side

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Speaker 1: Beckhams here are more performative than we are. Marked they

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Speaker 1: are the Beckhams were not. Part of the reason they

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Speaker 1: celebrity game. Anybody who is that successful. They're not shy.

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Speaker 1: They know it. They love the attention. I've not worked

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Speaker 1: Part of the reason they's so successful is they need

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Speaker 1: Now I'm on team David and Victoria here. I think

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Speaker 1: Brooklyn's being a real brat to use Mark's word. However,

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Speaker 1: I don't think this is helping their case. I like

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Speaker 1: do is just ignore him, because without his mom and dad,

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Speaker 1: without his mom and dad's attention, we ain't going to

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Speaker 1: be following Brooklyn Beckham for very much longer, which brings

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Speaker 1: us to that whole question of the day. The Beckhams,

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Speaker 1: David and Victoria wished Brooklyn a happy birthday despite the

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Speaker 1: family feud. Right thing to do, a wrong thing to do?

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Speaker 1: What do you think? Go voute on that Twitter page?

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Speaker 1: Add naughty nice rob at Facebook page is naughdy gossip.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure to check back to morrow to hear your results.

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Speaker 1: Hailey P what are you working on? Yes, So those.

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Speaker 3: Mystery glorks in Savannah got Throu's mom's case finally been explained.

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Speaker 3: So those gloves that sparked wild speculation in the search

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Speaker 3: for Savannah's mom, Nancy Guthury, have finally been explained and

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Speaker 3: authority say it's a dead end.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, I know so.

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Speaker 3: Pinat County Sheriff Chris Stanos revealed the gloves actually belonged

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Speaker 3: to a restaurant worker who worked across the street and

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Speaker 1: It's heartbreaking, Mom, It's absolutely heartbreaking. Will literally clasping at straws.

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Speaker 1: I think this could be a cold case for a

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Speaker 1: really long time. I'm told Savannah is heading back to

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Speaker 1: think that's a really smart thing. So I think kids

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Speaker 1: at that age need structure. They have their friends around them,

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Speaker 1: So Savannah wants to come back to her family, her children,

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Speaker 1: and her husband, her job. There's nothing wrong with that too.

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine even the worst information I think is

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Speaker 1: How does an eighty four year old woman in Arizona

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Speaker 3: Makes me sad, I know, and I watch a ton

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Speaker 3: of true crime, you know, I love you documentaries, and

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Speaker 3: it really is baffling at after all the resources put

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Speaker 3: there's a literal video of this person, you know, the body.

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Speaker 3: You can see the body has eyes, and you still

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Speaker 3: have not been able to identify it. It really is baffling.

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Speaker 1: They're not giving up, they are not giving up, but

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Speaker 1: it's getting very, very doubtful that we're going to get

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Speaker 1: the end results that I think we all want. Harry

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Speaker 1: Styles broke his silence about the difficult death of Liam Payne.

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Speaker 1: He's not spoken about this since Liam fell and died

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Speaker 1: in October twenty twenty four. Now he has a new

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Speaker 1: and he said, it's so difficult and to lose somebody

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Speaker 1: are like me. They were very similar people. He said,

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Speaker 1: strange to grieve in the public eye. He's not used

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Speaker 1: It is a new thing. It's really really sad. These

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Speaker 1: two were friends. They were young kids together. They auditioned

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