Speaker 1: Yeah, my name is Clay Nukeleman. This is a production
Speaker 1: of the bear Grease podcast called The bear Grease Render,
Speaker 1: where we render down, dive deeper, and looked behind the
Speaker 1: scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by f
Speaker 1: HF Gear, American made purpose built hunting and fishing gear
Speaker 1: that's designed to be as rugged as the places we explore.
Speaker 1: What you got in your hand there, Dan, ultralight titanium
Speaker 1: revolver wrist breaker. It's a Taurus forty four magnum. That's
Speaker 1: what it is. Is that what it is? Yeah, that
Speaker 1: thing's made of titanium super light. But it's a gorgeous
Speaker 1: looks like a mule, but it's a that's a good
Speaker 1: bear gun. Hey, welcome to the bear Grease Render. My,
Speaker 1: oh my, do we ever have a production today? Man?
Speaker 1: We have uh, we have two new people in the
Speaker 1: in in the room today at the Global headquarters to
Speaker 1: new people. And we traditionally introduced the new people at
Speaker 1: the end too, so like it's like suspenseful of what's
Speaker 1: gonna be happening. Land Bridge is cocking the gun now, Okay,
Speaker 1: welcome to America. First, First of all, Gary Newcomb is
Speaker 1: not here. Man, it's too bad. He's building. He's building
Speaker 1: the barn. He's not on a dozer. Oh, man, I
Speaker 1: got some stories about a dozer and Misty Newcomb was
Speaker 1: gonna be here. She had to bail for professional reasons,
Speaker 1: and she was very quickly replaced. That substituted substitution was
Speaker 1: very quickly substituted. Yes, it makes me wonder who is
Speaker 1: the substitutions? I mean, who was it? Who'd you have
Speaker 1: on speed dial? Well, I'll tell that so to my right,
Speaker 1: I have Mr Brent Reeves. Brent, good to see you, Thanks, man,
Speaker 1: I got a new hat. Dr Daniel Rupe good to
Speaker 1: be here, fantastic to see you. It's good I have
Speaker 1: dand's got a new bow. Yeah, absolutely wonderful. Is a
Speaker 1: Matthews I don't I don't actually know what kind of is?
Speaker 1: What kind is it? B XR Matthews v x are slick, Yeah, smooth, phenomenal,
Speaker 1: land Bridge spillmaker. Man, guys, let's just give him a
Speaker 1: round of applau. You made it on the Bargrease podcast. Everyone,
Speaker 1: I'm bowing. Yeah, I mean I thought you wanted us
Speaker 1: to bout it, not just not just on the podcast,
Speaker 1: but staring the podcast off. Yeah, you came You came
Speaker 1: in hot, and it was brilliant and that was totally unplanned.
Speaker 1: I walked in the place where Josh works and just
Speaker 1: literally stuck a microphone in his face, and that is
Speaker 1: what came out. Did he know you were recording him?
Speaker 1: And how often do you record us apart from our knowledge?
Speaker 1: If I give you a consent paper to sign just
Speaker 1: like his chest pocket towards you while he's talking, might
Speaker 1: be good. Now, Josh came in hot with the song
Speaker 1: of Daniel Boone, which I really was shocked because I
Speaker 1: had just dug up that Daniel Boone song just a
Speaker 1: few days before, and honestly I never saw that that
Speaker 1: TV show. It was awesome, the Daniel Boone and a
Speaker 1: role that will astound you. Yes, we're gonna talk about
Speaker 1: that more directly to Josh is right? Is a voice
Speaker 1: that you've heard before coming in hot from the Bear
Speaker 1: Honey Magazine Global headquarters, Colby Moore head try your voice. Hey,
Speaker 1: So for people that wouldn't many of you might be
Speaker 1: familiar with Kolby from my former podcast, the Bear Honey
Speaker 1: Magazine podcast. Colby works for me at Bear Honey Magazine.
Speaker 1: Colby is the genius behind Bear Honey magazine. He does
Speaker 1: a ton of stuff. He's the wind beneath your wings
Speaker 1: is the is the wind beneath my wings is Kobe,
Speaker 1: the man who can give me Colby, sorry, Colby, the
Speaker 1: man who can get me a bandit hat. That's that's
Speaker 1: a big ask. We'll talk later. Great to have you, Colby,
Speaker 1: and then to Kolby's right. Hey, we're gonna call Seth
Speaker 1: our guest of honor. I woul Okay, this is uh
Speaker 1: many most of us know Seth from other places, but
Speaker 1: this is my friend, Seth. Haynes and Seth had a
Speaker 1: home run performance on the burgers side. It was at
Speaker 1: least a solid double. It was it was at least
Speaker 1: it was a solid double. Yeah, Tony Gwinn double, I'll
Speaker 1: take them all day long. Yeah. Yeah. No. So Seth
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, well maybe not even a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, a year ago, told me I
Speaker 1: ought to get this book on archetypes, branding archetypes. What's
Speaker 1: the name of the hero and the outlaw? Yeah, people
Speaker 1: are gonna ask, and so what do I do when
Speaker 1: smart people tell me what to do? I hope you
Speaker 1: I do what they said, so what did I do?
Speaker 1: I got the book, and Uh, to be honest with you,
Speaker 1: I didn't finish it. As long as you read the
Speaker 1: ones that pertain to you, like anything in personality, you're
Speaker 1: find mine. I wait a minute, I told you to
Speaker 1: read a book like two years ago, you still ain't
Speaker 1: read it. I have a question of the nine archetypes,
Speaker 1: which one corresponds to Clay nucom do the dozer one
Speaker 1: of the nine archetypes? It's twelve. But we can get that.
Speaker 1: We can get somebody, somebody just the clown. It would
Speaker 1: be interesting to talk about some of the archetypes because
Speaker 1: then they surprised me. We can do it. But but no,
Speaker 1: So I started researching Boot. And so you know, I
Speaker 1: read this Boon Boon by Robert Morgan ten years ago.
Speaker 1: And you know who told me to read that book.
Speaker 1: A man that I didn't even know at the time,
Speaker 1: which was Steve Rinella. It was on one of his
Speaker 1: book lists. Yeah, ten twelve years ago. And I got it,
Speaker 1: and and uh, I read the Boon book and they
Speaker 1: started talking about Boon as an archetype, which as they
Speaker 1: began to describe that, I began to recognize Boon holding
Speaker 1: this place kind of in our culture that was like
Speaker 1: kind of unusual, just like this, It's like, why is
Speaker 1: this guy here? And they started talking about archetypes. And
Speaker 1: then a year ago Seth had me read about archetypes,
Speaker 1: and then that's why I interviewed Seth, and I think
Speaker 1: it's really important to understand. You probably could have poled
Speaker 1: Burgher's podcast listeners and said what is an archetype, and
Speaker 1: maybe many of them would have been able to kind
Speaker 1: of describe it, like I kind of would have known
Speaker 1: what it meant. But when you really know what they mean.
Speaker 1: Seth and I were talking the other day, you start
Speaker 1: to see archetypes all over your life and you see
Speaker 1: these you see these places and anyway, it's interesting. So
Speaker 1: good to have you everyone. You know that I'm probably
Speaker 1: an archetype to you of something which we can talk
Speaker 1: about that later. I don't know. So there's like scales
Speaker 1: of archetypes. Yeah, yeah, totally totally. So, Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: a good time. I've enjoyed it and I'm glad to
Speaker 1: be here with all of you archetypes, especially you. Josh
Speaker 1: singled out, yeah, I don't even know what that, Seth.
Speaker 1: I did not choose that Seth was the cold open.
Speaker 1: That was a surprise to me. That was the one
Speaker 1: that's the one part of the podcast that I don't
Speaker 1: put my hands on. I let Phil Taylor do what
Speaker 1: Phil Taylor does at media always say, and that was
Speaker 1: riveted when I heard Seth, No, I loved it. And see,
Speaker 1: that's that's why it's good to have. Like I was expecting,
Speaker 1: like some gritty fact about Boon, you know, like killing
Speaker 1: a bear or something. I heard Seth's boys, and I thought,
Speaker 1: finally they've replaced Clay with somebody who's my name is
Speaker 1: Seth as it would be a really boring podcast if
Speaker 1: I had to do it. Good to have you, Seth. Hey,
Speaker 1: I've been doing some mule training this week, boys, John
Speaker 1: of that, I didn't know that. It's just okay, was
Speaker 1: that on the Instagram page? Yeah, it's on the instagramended
Speaker 1: reading reading your podcast off No, no, Yeah, I've been
Speaker 1: doing some mule training. Um, Banjoe okay, you can go
Speaker 1: back and like it or something. So ban Joe is uh,
Speaker 1: he's coming on three years old. Banjoe is iz he's
Speaker 1: full brother. Oh I didn't know that full brother. So
Speaker 1: same mayor same Jack Donkey okay, and but they look different,
Speaker 1: but they both are pretty flashy. They've got color on him.
Speaker 1: Banjo we had. I got him when he was like
Speaker 1: nine months old and and honestly he should be trained
Speaker 1: right now. By by the time Iz he was three
Speaker 1: years old. Um, I had written her extensively. You know,
Speaker 1: so band Joe is not he's not broke yet, but
Speaker 1: I am. I'm kind of testing. And really it's just
Speaker 1: been schedule and timing. And I didn't need a mule.
Speaker 1: I trained Izzy real quick because I needed a mule
Speaker 1: real quick. If you want to go buy a mule,
Speaker 1: especially after post COVID mule is big time on post
Speaker 1: COVID mules. You see a man, you see a man
Speaker 1: in Arkansas or Missouri driving down the road with a
Speaker 1: flashy mule in the back of his trailer, he might
Speaker 1: as well be driving Ben's. Yeah, the price has gone
Speaker 1: through the roof. That is why you know, three or
Speaker 1: four years ago, whenever I trained Izzy pre COVID. Now
Speaker 1: this will give you some insight into my financial status.
Speaker 1: I've also said that you can tell him a lot
Speaker 1: about a man's financial status and his disposable income by
Speaker 1: his mule trailer. I have a mule trailer so old
Speaker 1: people don't even know when it was made. I mean
Speaker 1: like I took it to a trailer place and I
Speaker 1: was like, what do you think that thing was made?
Speaker 1: And he was like, man, I got no idea, and
Speaker 1: this was like Wooden spokes no. So but back in
Speaker 1: the day, I needed a good mule. Didn't have the
Speaker 1: money to pay pre COVID mule prices, so I had
Speaker 1: to go by a just an unbroke, untrained mule. Got
Speaker 1: it turned out good, went back to the same guy
Speaker 1: and got Banjo. Training Banjo now. But I also have
Speaker 1: you know that ten days ago Saturday, I got kicked
Speaker 1: the hardest mule kick I've ever been kicked. Happened ten
Speaker 1: day the day I went to your house. Do you
Speaker 1: remember I talked about, man, listen to this. I had
Speaker 1: to rub Clay's upper thigh. Okay, I was getting banned.
Speaker 1: I had taken Banjo to another pasture. And he's not
Speaker 1: very good in the trailer. He's only been the trailer
Speaker 1: a couple of times. He'll go in and out good though,
Speaker 1: which is a training feat. He'll go in and out.
Speaker 1: He was coming. I untied him and was backing him
Speaker 1: out so I'm on the back of the trailer. His
Speaker 1: you know, tail and rear end and legs are all
Speaker 1: you know right here. I've opened the door. He's backing out.
Speaker 1: He's dragging his lead rope because I've untied him from
Speaker 1: the front, and so he gets his back feet on
Speaker 1: the ground. He drops his front feet on the ground,
Speaker 1: so his back feet are like five feet away from me. Okay,
Speaker 1: do you see what I'm saying? Like my feet are
Speaker 1: even with his front feet. His head still on the trailer,
Speaker 1: his lead rope is about to drop to the to
Speaker 1: the floor of the trailer, which has mule dung in it.
Speaker 1: So rather than let the rope drag through the mule dung,
Speaker 1: I reached real fast to grab the rope before it
Speaker 1: hits the ground in the trailer. I never even saw
Speaker 1: it happen. My head is this way, and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, I just just feel just a whoop, just
Speaker 1: a bam, And I turned around and ban Joe is
Speaker 1: just standing there just like he was before. Like I
Speaker 1: actually don't even have any real evidence that he's the
Speaker 1: one that kicks that sucker. I mean, he he must
Speaker 1: have come up off his front feet turned like this
Speaker 1: and just given me a bam it but front no, no,
Speaker 1: it's back foot. I mean, I guess, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Sure he wasn't the ghost of the Captain. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: I got here today and I was it was gone.
Speaker 1: It was Colby's experienced the fierceness it was. I tried
Speaker 1: to I've tried to describe it. It He hit me
Speaker 1: right in the center of the thought it was the
Speaker 1: best place to get cook Bet kicked like it was
Speaker 1: the strongest muscle in your body. I think it would
Speaker 1: be equivalent to like a very strong man just punch
Speaker 1: in you as hard as he could punch you in
Speaker 1: the in the thigh. And it because it acted like
Speaker 1: nothing happened, because I didn't want to give him too
Speaker 1: much attention. I didn't want to discipline him. It was
Speaker 1: my fault, and so I just grabbed up the libroke,
Speaker 1: acted like nothing happened, and just walked him to the
Speaker 1: deal and then and all it did was just leave
Speaker 1: a big there's still a big, big hoof shaped bruise
Speaker 1: right there on my way. Yeah. So I've been doing
Speaker 1: a little mule training. Um so it was ban joke
Speaker 1: repercussions and Okay, here's here's a little bit of feedback. Um,
Speaker 1: there was a it was it was wild. There was
Speaker 1: a guy that listened to the Boon series, and that's
Speaker 1: what we're gonna talk about on this one. This this
Speaker 1: Burghers podcast is going to be on the Boone series.
Speaker 1: On the Boon part one, there was a guy that said,
Speaker 1: great episode Clay, when the Sun and Nathan Boone speaks
Speaker 1: about camping on the mouth of Campaign Creek north of
Speaker 1: of Point Pleasant. He said it brought legitimate cold chills.
Speaker 1: He said, I had heard about that in college when
Speaker 1: I lived just a mile or two from there, and
Speaker 1: I was professing it as truth and being chastised by
Speaker 1: my hunting buddies, but by golly, the old college professor
Speaker 1: that told me that was right. Basically, this guy's listening
Speaker 1: to this and we're talking about stuff that happened like
Speaker 1: two miles from where he was, which was that's a
Speaker 1: guy's name was Brady. It's pretty cool. That's pretty cool,
Speaker 1: you know, to I always think about, you know, finding
Speaker 1: stone points and stuff like that, to think about back
Speaker 1: a hundred or two hundred or three hundred or thousand
Speaker 1: years ago and to reminisce and imagine being you know
Speaker 1: that man standing in that place, how it would have
Speaker 1: looked different, and how you would have felt as a
Speaker 1: human interact thing with nature at that point. It's it's, it's, it's, it's.
Speaker 1: It is sobering, you know. Yeah, guy, you know two
Speaker 1: years from now is going to think the same thing
Speaker 1: when they found that STARFOLM, I wonder, Okay, scandal, it's
Speaker 1: been a scandal. Yep, locally big scandal. Nope, scandal right
Speaker 1: here on the Beargrease podcast hurt. Do you all remember
Speaker 1: when I take accomplices? Ye, yep, I am not for sure,
Speaker 1: except for all of you were accomplices apart from our knowledge.
Speaker 1: I think you knew you were being recorded. No, listen,
Speaker 1: this is this is legitimate. This guy named Alex So
Speaker 1: do you remember when I told the story of the
Speaker 1: game Warden at the Campfire Stories. I was talking about
Speaker 1: the Meat Eater Story audio book, which is, by the way,
Speaker 1: on the New York Times best selling list of audio books,
Speaker 1: right up there with like Matthew McConaughey's Green Lights book.
Speaker 1: That's how compelling some of these stories are. McCaughey was
Speaker 1: number one. Hey McConaughey on the render. Alright, alright, no,
Speaker 1: I was waiting for that. Yeah, you know, I thank
Speaker 1: you for doing it. I was not planning to tell
Speaker 1: a story from the audio book because I hadn't heard
Speaker 1: it yet. I had not heard the audio book. So
Speaker 1: I recounted the story of that game warden as I
Speaker 1: remember it being told, because it was told to me
Speaker 1: very quickly, just as somebody was like, hey, this audio book,
Speaker 1: and I said, what kind of story is he like, man,
Speaker 1: there's a story about this, a story about that. So Seth,
Speaker 1: I was advertising for this audio book, saying, hey, you
Speaker 1: got to check out Meat Eater's new audio book. And
Speaker 1: I said, there's this one story, and I tell a story.
Speaker 1: And turns out I was way off. And so this
Speaker 1: guy named Alex, he did a good job. He uh.
Speaker 1: And Alex was the tipping point, okay, because I had
Speaker 1: a couple of other people tell me say it, say like, Clay,
Speaker 1: you you butchered that story. And I didn't think much
Speaker 1: of it, you know, just kind of dang. You know,
Speaker 1: I wish you hadn't, but I didn't. And this guy,
Speaker 1: this guy, he was very polite, but he said, Clay,
Speaker 1: he said, after hearing you tell that story, and then
Speaker 1: here in the real story, he said, it kind of
Speaker 1: discredits you, because I wonder how much you embellish other
Speaker 1: stories into the quick And I responded back to it.
Speaker 1: He was very nice. He said, I loved the podcast.
Speaker 1: He said, That's why I'm writing you. He said, I'm
Speaker 1: just being honest with and I did. I did, And
Speaker 1: I wrote him back and and what he thought happened
Speaker 1: was that I had heard the story and then just
Speaker 1: told it way bigger full knowing the story. And I
Speaker 1: explained to him. I was like, man, that was a mistake.
Speaker 1: I said, I'd actually never even heard the story and
Speaker 1: I recounted it. So, so what you're saying is that
Speaker 1: we need a full time fact checker. If you spend
Speaker 1: much time talking, you better have a fact checker. I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure there's a proverb about that. Oh is there?
Speaker 1: I blame the dozer this ever since you've been on
Speaker 1: that dozer, man, and then a hum from that engine
Speaker 1: will shake some things loose. I I have a song
Speaker 1: that is the best song ever written about dozes. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna sing. I think a lot of people that
Speaker 1: listen to that would have would have been like what
Speaker 1: because And so anyway, my deepest apologies, mistake yes, yes,
Speaker 1: and you owned up to it. Yeah, yeah, next yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: He wasn't making a big deal about it. But but
Speaker 1: when he when he said that, it reduced my credibility.
Speaker 1: That was like, yeah, I don't I don't want that,
Speaker 1: because you know, I was thinking about something there there is.
Speaker 1: I was thinking about this idea of embellishing stories. And
Speaker 1: Seth is a storyteller and a writer. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: me and somebody else could go do something together and
Speaker 1: they come back and tell a story, and then I
Speaker 1: tell the same story and I look at the dude
Speaker 1: and it it was just like, man, we were on different
Speaker 1: planets when that happened. If that story is the way
Speaker 1: you remember it, like, there's something to be said for
Speaker 1: a good story. I mean I deeply value the truth.
Speaker 1: I mean, like always have, always will in in anyway,
Speaker 1: Sometimes people kind of want to say that somebody that
Speaker 1: tells good stories is embellishing story anyway. Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: first of all, that's a very Southern thing, right, I
Speaker 1: mean we all know Southern storytellers and Southern storytellers are
Speaker 1: just right now for embellishing a good story. But I
Speaker 1: think I mean, to your point, stories a lot of
Speaker 1: times are about perception about history, about how you interpret
Speaker 1: the world. I mean, we can all be given a
Speaker 1: set of facts, but those facts and what we make
Speaker 1: of them, what we meet. I mean, that's why lawyers
Speaker 1: exist to tell stories to juries and to take these
Speaker 1: facts and to help them interpret in ways that are
Speaker 1: favorable to their client, because everybody sees things differently. Now
Speaker 1: I'm not arguing from postmodern thought here. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: there ways to interpret stories. Man. I always said in
Speaker 1: thirty years of law enforcement, if you want two different
Speaker 1: stories to something, get two eye witnesses to the same incident,
Speaker 1: because you got folks standing right side beside each other,
Speaker 1: and they tell you the absolute honest truth as they
Speaker 1: saw it. And it it don't go it don't go together. Man,
Speaker 1: that's so wild too. And it and it applies to
Speaker 1: Boone because Boon. So much of what we know about
Speaker 1: Boon didn't come from Boon. I mean, actually very little
Speaker 1: of it did. We have accounts of Boon, like as
Speaker 1: he wrote letters like like kind of like business transactions.
Speaker 1: The one interview with Boone that actually is out there
Speaker 1: was that John Philson interview from the chapter in the book.
Speaker 1: But Philson, everybody that knew Boone said that Philson took
Speaker 1: incredible liberty and basically wrote it in this beautiful like
Speaker 1: if you read that, it's like very like it's not
Speaker 1: in Boone's voice. And so it's kind of even though
Speaker 1: Boone himself said every word of it was true, but
Speaker 1: it's not in Boone's voice. It's like it's written in
Speaker 1: a different way. But that's so all these things are
Speaker 1: second hand that we know about Boone and man, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that is actually a great example of a story just
Speaker 1: two people down. Because the guy that told me the
Speaker 1: story had heard heard the real story. He told it
Speaker 1: to me, and I'm not blaming him. He told it
Speaker 1: to me, and I mean I had no intent of
Speaker 1: remembering the story, and then one story later it's pretty
Speaker 1: different from what actually happened. Well, it's like that little
Speaker 1: telephone game you know in school, where you start the
Speaker 1: story at at this desk, and by the time he
Speaker 1: gets to the last kid in the last row, it's
Speaker 1: nothing even close. Yeah. Yeah, well that just you think
Speaker 1: about history and how hard it is to track history,
Speaker 1: especially history as deep as boon and these things. I mean, well,
Speaker 1: we appreciate his contribution to keep our podcast above board. Yes,
Speaker 1: he had a couple of other things. Oh yeah, he
Speaker 1: did good. This guy Alex, uh, we'll call him the whistleblower.
Speaker 1: He was, he was. He was getting me the whistle
Speaker 1: blow because you told everybody's name. Well, I'm not giving
Speaker 1: his last name. And this is a comment to him.
Speaker 1: Do you think of training people to send me real
Speaker 1: harsh criticism? He was, he was. He was pretty worked up.
Speaker 1: And so was I out using the word poisonous. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm the one I tell people that, and then when
Speaker 1: I make the podcast, it was I said poisonous probably
Speaker 1: six times. And and partly that was because of those
Speaker 1: These podcasts are recorded at different times. So when I'm
Speaker 1: like sitting at my desk, like doing a voiceover and
Speaker 1: I'm really intentional, I'll do it right. But if I'm
Speaker 1: out like talking to somebody, I might do it wrong.
Speaker 1: So he is very right. The correct way to describe
Speaker 1: a snake that when it bites you, it might hurt
Speaker 1: you real bad. Is venomous, not poisonous, because you know
Speaker 1: that said. I did know that because my son Isaac,
Speaker 1: who yeah, it loves the outdoors. Uh, he tells me
Speaker 1: all the time, Dad, that's not a poisonous snake. And
Speaker 1: I say to him, every snake is poisonous ay from you, like,
Speaker 1: I don't care. Um okay. Alex also had a small
Speaker 1: bone to pick with me about al hooting. Basically, he's
Speaker 1: said he's not a good al hooter, but it's because he, uh,
Speaker 1: he can't carry a tune, he says. And he just
Speaker 1: didn't think it was fair that I was casting judgment
Speaker 1: on people who couldn't al hoot. And there's two things
Speaker 1: I want to say, and I said this to him.
Speaker 1: Number One, I never said that somebody who couldn't al
Speaker 1: hoot wasn't a good outdoorsman. Emphatically said that over and
Speaker 1: over in the podcast. All I said was, if you
Speaker 1: are a good al hooter, there's a real strong probability
Speaker 1: that you're a good woodsman. That's all I said. Okay,
Speaker 1: Daniel Boone had a heck of number two. The other
Speaker 1: thing that I told him was that I basically said
Speaker 1: no comment on the al hooton thing. I just it's like,
Speaker 1: if you can't al hoot, that's your problem. Thanks Alex.
Speaker 1: That was great. That was great. Yeah, I just did
Speaker 1: a little housekeeping, that's all. You know. I meant to
Speaker 1: early on describe we've got a lot of new listeners
Speaker 1: to the render Seth, and a lot of new people
Speaker 1: don't understand what the term bear grease means. I still
Speaker 1: don't understand the whole time. So bear the name bear
Speaker 1: grease that Seth, would you know? What would you know
Speaker 1: about this about bear grease? Well, I mean, just like,
Speaker 1: why did I name my podcast bargeras well? I kind
Speaker 1: of know you, so I'm My guess is that guess
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have. My guess is that because you're a
Speaker 1: bear hunter. You've been a bear hunter for a long time,
Speaker 1: and you have preached that bears are good for all
Speaker 1: kinds of things, for eating and um, you know, you
Speaker 1: render the grease down, fat down to turn it into
Speaker 1: grease for other things. My guess would be that there's
Speaker 1: some use. Man, I expected more from a rider. Maybe
Speaker 1: you just like maybe bears you're greasy. It makes that's good.
Speaker 1: You're you're right, that's that's the surface level you've hit
Speaker 1: the surface. Bear grease is a metaphor. Okay, So bargrease
Speaker 1: was at one time a really valuable commodity, both functionally
Speaker 1: for cooking, for for all these different things. It was
Speaker 1: also used as a form of currency today, Seth Haynes,
Speaker 1: if you asked, if you pulled America and said what
Speaker 1: is bargrease, you know how many people would even have
Speaker 1: a reference point for what it is. But yet it's
Speaker 1: functional use is still very much the same. And so
Speaker 1: the the tagline of the Burghera's podcast is where we
Speaker 1: explore things forgotten but relevant, search for insight in unlikely places,
Speaker 1: and tell the story of Americans who live their lives
Speaker 1: close to the land. And so bear grease. Also, Seth,
Speaker 1: if you will notice this holding the jar burg rease
Speaker 1: in my hands, folks, and there is about a two
Speaker 1: inch band of amber clear liquid and then below that
Speaker 1: is a solid white lick. Would this is bear grease
Speaker 1: that has separated and at that separation point, Um, many people,
Speaker 1: including Native Americans, have used that to forecast the weather
Speaker 1: because it moves with barometric pressure and it's highly nuanced.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not saying that I really can, but
Speaker 1: it does change about every day. There's my chart right there.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get you on a chart. Um, bear grease
Speaker 1: weather forecasting charge so insight and unlikely places. So bear
Speaker 1: grease is a metaphor. Okay, So that's I just want
Speaker 1: to say that because we're getting new listeners. Bear grease
Speaker 1: is a metaphor for things forgotten but relevant. That's why
Speaker 1: I interviewed Roy Clark, That's why I interviewed James Lawrence.
Speaker 1: That's why we're talking about Daniel Boone. We're looking for
Speaker 1: insight and unlikely places. That's why we're talking about how
Speaker 1: snakes and this innate fear of us of snakes and
Speaker 1: our mothers telling us not to do it is this
Speaker 1: like bigger picture of of of how human relationships are
Speaker 1: supposed to work. Don't pick up that snake and you
Speaker 1: believe her because the snakes are scary, and you do
Speaker 1: what she says and you trust her. Um, you know.
Speaker 1: It's this bigger, bigger picture insight. So that is and
Speaker 1: then this is the bear grease render, which is where
Speaker 1: we so the act of taking solid bear fat like
Speaker 1: raw bear fat, off of a freshly harvested bear, melting
Speaker 1: it down into a liquid oil. It's called rendering. How
Speaker 1: long does the render actually take? In your life? When
Speaker 1: you're rendering bear grease? You can render bear fat very quickly,
Speaker 1: like nine minutes. Really, yeah? Yeah, It is all depended
Speaker 1: upon temperature. Okay, give me the ten second process. How
Speaker 1: you do it? You just okay, there's the way. The
Speaker 1: best practice. I'm not even gonna give you best practice.
Speaker 1: You take us a filet of white bear fat, which
Speaker 1: it'll be on a fall bear, I mean could have
Speaker 1: a lot of fat, cube it up into one inch cubes,
Speaker 1: put it in a frying pan, a fry daddy, any
Speaker 1: kind of source of heat. For I never rendered, it's
Speaker 1: never rendered George's fat. Nope, never rendered fat into George.
Speaker 1: And and basically it just melts down. And you'll have
Speaker 1: about of it that does not melt down, that stays
Speaker 1: is what we call a crackling. But the other eight
Speaker 1: percent will turn in the liquid. The best way to
Speaker 1: do it is to grind it. Grind it and you
Speaker 1: have you get almost uh Colby, why do we say
Speaker 1: Colby is my bear? Rendering you get about an if
Speaker 1: you if you cube it, you get about an eight
Speaker 1: percent return. If you grind it up, you get about
Speaker 1: probably ninety five percent return. And slow seems to be
Speaker 1: better too from what I hear. You like and the
Speaker 1: the color of it comes out different depending on how
Speaker 1: fast you cook it. Yeah, if you if you cook it,
Speaker 1: if you cook it hot it'll be darker. If you
Speaker 1: cook it really on low heat like two twenty five,
Speaker 1: it'll be uh, it'll be much more solid. It'll it'll
Speaker 1: be lighter. I'm telling you that low even heat of
Speaker 1: a George Foreman. Boys, and George Foreman grils happen to
Speaker 1: be one of our partners. We want to thank a
Speaker 1: caterpillar man. Guys, I'm serious, man, I've got a song.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, hey, um could could Burghers like the Render
Speaker 1: also be chewing the fat? And it could have been?
Speaker 1: Because that's another way to rent it. We should have
Speaker 1: had you on the marketing team when there was a
Speaker 1: movie and made a Northwest Passage Spencer Tracy. You ever
Speaker 1: seen that movie? It's old man, it's like and Walter
Speaker 1: Brennan is in that and the guy that played Dr
Speaker 1: Welby and that show, Marcus Wellby. He also sold coffees
Speaker 1: Mr Coffee Anyway, another another use for bagaras Walter Brennan.
Speaker 1: Y'all know who Walter Brennon. We're not seventy okay, all right? Well,
Speaker 1: to the folks out there that are in my age group,
Speaker 1: which is fifty five and up, I would say is
Speaker 1: uh he said that he told Robert Young, that was
Speaker 1: the actor's name, Robert Young, Intendant says, man, what we're
Speaker 1: gonna do about all these mosquitoes? And Walter brann said, ranched,
Speaker 1: big Grease, Ranch, big Grease should put it on your arms,
Speaker 1: and he keeps you all the mosquitoes away. That's Walter
Speaker 1: Brennan in selling. I need you to come up with
Speaker 1: a list of everything pre advant Costello I need to watch. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll make you a list. That was a pretty good impression.
Speaker 1: Then we all know who you're talking about now that
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, hey, speaking of what did y'all think
Speaker 1: about Josh being able to remember that Boon song? I
Speaker 1: mean that was pretty impressive, right, yeah, yeah, Okay, what
Speaker 1: y'all don't know yet is Josh is uh well, he's
Speaker 1: played before on the on the Barrigaryship a little bit,
Speaker 1: a little a little bit. But okay, this is the
Speaker 1: this is the segue into us talking about the Boon podcast.
Speaker 1: Josh has a little song for us, a little something
Speaker 1: out of the archives. Yeah, okay, here we go here.
Speaker 1: Daniel Boone was a man, yes, a big man were then,
Speaker 1: not like an eagle and as tall as a mountain.
Speaker 1: Was he that's right. Daniel Boone was a man, yes,
Speaker 1: a big man. He was bravey, He was foodless and
Speaker 1: as tough as a mighty tree. Seeing it brother from
Speaker 1: the coonskin cap on the top of old and to
Speaker 1: the heel of his raw jew the ripping, this roaring,
Speaker 1: his fightingness man the frontier rebonue. Daniel Boone was a man, yes,
Speaker 1: a begg man, and he fought for America to make
Speaker 1: all Americans free. What a boon? Was a great sam
Speaker 1: coming true? Was he? Daniel Boone was a man, yes,
Speaker 1: a beg man with a whoop and a holler. He
Speaker 1: can move down the forest of tree. That's right, with
Speaker 1: a knife and a gun. He never did fail. There
Speaker 1: was nothing for the bread, not team the lamb relays,
Speaker 1: a big white liberty till Histories Hall of Fame. Daniel
Speaker 1: Boone was a man, yes, a be man. Will the
Speaker 1: dream Mama country that would always forever be free? What
Speaker 1: a boone want to do? I want to dream coming true?
Speaker 1: That's right? What a boone want to do? What a
Speaker 1: dream coming true? Was he? That is he's no washboard player,
Speaker 1: but pretty good. Oh man, that was awesome. That was awesome,
Speaker 1: So perfect, perfect segue into Yeah, when Josh sank so
Speaker 1: on the first of the podcast, when Josh sang that song,
Speaker 1: there were two things. It says Daniel Boone was a
Speaker 1: was his man, a big man, big, and Daniel Boone
Speaker 1: was five ft eight and way a hundred and seventy. Well,
Speaker 1: fess Parker wasn't best. Parker was about six three and
Speaker 1: he was a big he was a big man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he also wasn't Daniel Boone. And then uh, it says
Speaker 1: that Daniel Boone wore a coonskin cap, which that was
Speaker 1: just like total Hollywood come from the well Davy Crockett,
Speaker 1: as I understand it, as I understand it, did Fest
Speaker 1: Parker played Davy Crockett too, No wonder so the same
Speaker 1: Hollywood actor played Davy Crockett and Daniel Boone, the real
Speaker 1: Davy Crockett. I think war a coon skin cap, Alex,
Speaker 1: let me know if I'm wrong. And uh, and and
Speaker 1: then so when Hollywood got ahold of Daniel Boone, I mean,
Speaker 1: of course he's gonna wear a coonskin cap. Are you
Speaker 1: saying that we cannot trust Hollywood? I've never said it, Dan,
Speaker 1: because my whole life is based on life. Well that
Speaker 1: that is so great because this this part one of
Speaker 1: the series is kind of debunking some of the the
Speaker 1: myth and presenting that did to the people that there
Speaker 1: is a lot of Boone's life that is mythologized and
Speaker 1: is there's there's lots of stories like you read this
Speaker 1: Boon biography Robert Morgan, and he he every single story
Speaker 1: there they you know, he tells all the facts and
Speaker 1: all the potential reasons why it's true, and you know,
Speaker 1: he kind of leaves some room for this probably may
Speaker 1: not have happened, or it may have, but there's a
Speaker 1: whole lot of that, And um, what's so interesting in
Speaker 1: Robert Morgan, I feel like he's kind of the main
Speaker 1: one that introduced this idea though to the world, which
Speaker 1: is introduced it to us and we say it now
Speaker 1: like it's fact, is that the real Boon was way
Speaker 1: cooler than the myth of Boon. I mean, he's one
Speaker 1: of these guys that didn't need fancy stories told about him,
Speaker 1: because when you really see what he did and who
Speaker 1: he was, it's pretty wild, you know. But the closest
Speaker 1: modern representation I have of Daniel Boone is Brent Reeves.
Speaker 1: He would wear he would wear overalls, there's no doubt.
Speaker 1: Well definitely. Well what here's what I got out of that,
Speaker 1: especially like when you talk about Mr Morgan's book and
Speaker 1: I read that the the Daniel Boone that people fictitiously
Speaker 1: wrote about was girl Stacker every day living. What do
Speaker 1: you mean he he lived the life that Girl Stacker lived,
Speaker 1: the life that people fantasized Daniel Boone did. But who
Speaker 1: was I think Steven Nellis said, you know he would.
Speaker 1: They wouldn't the only folks doing that though. You know
Speaker 1: they talked about dressed in buckskins and you know, well,
Speaker 1: Daniel Boone dressed in in buckskins was so did his plumber.
Speaker 1: So the guy throw everybody. But it's took me that
Speaker 1: the majority of the things that were written about were
Speaker 1: about Daniel Boone. They were written about him later on
Speaker 1: in life, when Gerstacker was writing letters home and the
Speaker 1: stuff we get from him was written by him. And
Speaker 1: yet everybody has heard of Daniel Boone, but nobody's ever
Speaker 1: heard of Gerstacker, and Gerstacker has a stack of facts
Speaker 1: to back up the stuff that he did. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was It was very interesting too. If you think
Speaker 1: about Gerstalker, which was from our episode four death of
Speaker 1: a bear Hunter, a guy that was here in Arkansas.
Speaker 1: Seth is that Gerstalker probably came to America, and this
Speaker 1: is total speculation. He probably came to America because of Boone,
Speaker 1: like he came in the eighteen thirties, seventeen years after
Speaker 1: Dan's death, and by that time Dan was famous in Europe,
Speaker 1: big time famous, and so people would have heard of
Speaker 1: the Frontier and Daniel Boone and basically Gerstalker came and
Speaker 1: he never said it, but they all did. They wanted
Speaker 1: to be like Daniel Boone's shows you. That shows you
Speaker 1: the power of an inspirational myth. I mean, if you're
Speaker 1: saying that all of this and much of this is
Speaker 1: based in mythology of lore of Daniel Boone, and then
Speaker 1: people say like, I wanna, I wanna be like that,
Speaker 1: I want to do I mean, it shows you the
Speaker 1: inspirational power of myth. And that's the thing that's gone
Speaker 1: from tim and memorial. People look for these great, big
Speaker 1: myths to follow, and Boone's in that line. He's the myth.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and if he was one of the most
Speaker 1: talked about and written about, especially all over the world.
Speaker 1: Who it's a good fact that are a good chance
Speaker 1: if that's who he was trying to emulate. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and and and you know Boone was the real deal.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think you're saying that Boone was
Speaker 1: he was? Yeah, Dan, what was your what was Did
Speaker 1: you know much about Boone? If I had stuck the
Speaker 1: microphone in your face and said, who was Daniel Boone?
Speaker 1: Know what was interesting for me is I had watched
Speaker 1: Actually a UM Who Made American Friends the other day
Speaker 1: and I was honestly kind of unimpressed with the amount
Speaker 1: of detail they gave. Well, I did because this is
Speaker 1: the first however many years. This is kind of the
Speaker 1: first chapter of Daniel's life. Is what you covered in
Speaker 1: this first podcast? And that show, from what I remember,
Speaker 1: kind of covered the middle to the tail in so
Speaker 1: I didn't know any of of this stuff for these
Speaker 1: dynamics UM. So it was it was really interesting. Any
Speaker 1: any of it stand out to you is cool. Like
Speaker 1: for an example, when I read this book years ago
Speaker 1: with no never thought I'd be making a Boon podcast.
Speaker 1: I mean, I was just reading it totally out of interest.
Speaker 1: I remembered probably three stories from this book that that
Speaker 1: I just probably would have never forgotten my whole life,
Speaker 1: and one of them was Boone's potentially illegitimate daughter. Like
Speaker 1: when I talked about Daniel Boone. Now I've done a
Speaker 1: ton of research since then, but before, like if I
Speaker 1: just met you on the street randomly, if I walked
Speaker 1: across your yard and met you and your y'all art Dan,
Speaker 1: I'd be like, hey, Daniel Boone guy, and I would
Speaker 1: have said, did you know that he went on a
Speaker 1: hunting trip one time? For two years? But that story
Speaker 1: have been embellished, That's the big question. Told the story correctly? Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that would have been nice. If no, I'm just I'm
Speaker 1: saying there there that stories to that? What stories stood
Speaker 1: that to you? You know, um, cultural kind of anthropology
Speaker 1: is my background. So what stood out to me was
Speaker 1: when the Robert Morgan who who wrote that book, when
Speaker 1: he talked about the culture of the Indians and if
Speaker 1: you of of of Native American people and if you
Speaker 1: were going to dwell with them, there was an expectation
Speaker 1: that you would dwell in a tent and and probably
Speaker 1: have relations with a with one of their women. That
Speaker 1: was just kind of that was very eye opening to me.
Speaker 1: And if and if Daniel was a man who seemed
Speaker 1: adept at understanding culture and interri into groups. So but
Speaker 1: it creates mentioned in me because I want him to
Speaker 1: be kind of going off what Seth has been saying,
Speaker 1: there's this person that I want him to be, and
Speaker 1: it's not just a frontiersman who you know, conquered and
Speaker 1: defended America, but it's a man of integrity. I mean,
Speaker 1: you're taught. You spend so much time kind of addressing
Speaker 1: these valid concerns that Alex you know, had, and part
Speaker 1: of that is because integrity is important, you know. And
Speaker 1: so when I Daniel Boone fits an archetype for me
Speaker 1: that I want to emulate and be in some ways,
Speaker 1: I want him to be a man of integrity. Part
Speaker 1: of that to me means being faithful to my wife,
Speaker 1: and so it does. But as a cultural that just
Speaker 1: the way I would have said. Man, when Robert brings
Speaker 1: that up, it's like, oh my goodness, like he could
Speaker 1: have actually just been when I thought, I know, the
Speaker 1: look on his face like fighting words. Well, listen, what's
Speaker 1: wild is that there's accounts. Okay, one time Boone, when
Speaker 1: he was at his home with Rebecca, the neighbor's husband
Speaker 1: had gone off somewhere and they were they they ran
Speaker 1: out of food, and there's a story of Boone going
Speaker 1: to their house and giving him food. When the man
Speaker 1: comes home, the woman says, Daniel Boone came by. He
Speaker 1: gave us some food. And the man comes and confronts
Speaker 1: Daniel Boone. And this is a story that we believe
Speaker 1: to be true. And and Dan, and the guy basically
Speaker 1: accuses Dan of flirting with his wife. Dan will have
Speaker 1: no part of it and whips him. I mean, like Dan,
Speaker 1: Dan Boone would fistfight you as about as quick as
Speaker 1: I mean he was. He wasn't hot tempered, he was
Speaker 1: he was a Quaker, but there are multiple accounts of
Speaker 1: him just flat whooping somebody. And he whooped his neighbor
Speaker 1: who accused him of flirting with his wife and friends.
Speaker 1: You feel like I know the guy, man, I don't know.
Speaker 1: He no, you know. That's a great point that and yeah,
Speaker 1: and there it's not we don't know that Boone had
Speaker 1: a He could add too. He lived with the Shawnees,
Speaker 1: And we'll get into this probably in episode two. Maybe
Speaker 1: we may go further than two episodes. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but he he lived with a Shawnee and was actually
Speaker 1: adopted as a Shawnee Indian for four He lived with
Speaker 1: him for four months, and Shawnee's visited him in Missouri
Speaker 1: when he was an old man, like he had like
Speaker 1: real friendship with these people. You got to take into
Speaker 1: account to that. You know that it wasn't a situation
Speaker 1: of when in Rome do as the Romans due. He
Speaker 1: was in a situation where where that was the culture. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if if any of that was true, he was having
Speaker 1: to live every day. You know, these folks wasn't getting
Speaker 1: up and worrying about what they were going to do
Speaker 1: next week. They were worrying about how are we going
Speaker 1: to make it through today and tonight and then tomorrow.
Speaker 1: And if he's got to go along with whatever culture
Speaker 1: is there, I mean, let's see, that's a problem though. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a problem. It's a big problem. I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: and and I'm and you can make bold declarations on
Speaker 1: this side of history. When that doesn't I will never
Speaker 1: in my life be in this situation. I would have
Speaker 1: just said go ahead and kill me. Boys. My value
Speaker 1: system is more important than that. I mean, I'm being honest.
Speaker 1: I think I would say that. Now I realized that
Speaker 1: it's real easy to be like bold and have this valor,
Speaker 1: but like, that's that's what I would want to say.
Speaker 1: You would too, Dan, absolutely, But then you you you
Speaker 1: have to ask yourself is that armchair valor? And yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, and I had I felt like I had
Speaker 1: to say just because it's like, because if we say, well,
Speaker 1: if you're in this culture and you just do what
Speaker 1: that culture does, then you just have this really loose
Speaker 1: value system. It's not necessarily a valid reason, or it's
Speaker 1: not a valid reason at all. But you just gotta
Speaker 1: put yourself in that or you can't put you you
Speaker 1: can't put yourself in that spot. You can't put yourself
Speaker 1: in as you call him, Dan's spot, because maybe they
Speaker 1: wouldn't have killed him. I mean, like the worst case
Speaker 1: scenario in that situation is they would have been like okay,
Speaker 1: I mean they would have found a reason to have
Speaker 1: killed you, which is very probable. Um, But anyway, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm I'm not suggesting that anybody who wouldn't, you know,
Speaker 1: partake of that would have been immediately killed. It wasn't
Speaker 1: like that, but it was if you valued your life,
Speaker 1: you stayed on their good side, if you were their
Speaker 1: captive and I think there's two. You got a group
Speaker 1: of people who you know there, it's in all likelihood
Speaker 1: it's gonna they're they're forming identity in in terms of interdependence.
Speaker 1: And so you've got insiders and outsiders, and that's discerned
Speaker 1: by very practical, tangible behaviors. If you're an insider, you
Speaker 1: do like we do, and and and and and Mr
Speaker 1: Morgan said, you know, if if you didn't engage in
Speaker 1: that kind of activity as a guest, it was like,
Speaker 1: you're too good for us. You're an outsider. And so
Speaker 1: it it does make you think. I mean, it was
Speaker 1: in a cop that's a complex. It is for real,
Speaker 1: um man. I don't want to gloss over that. Robert Morgan,
Speaker 1: both of my guests on this podcast. I was explaining
Speaker 1: this to somebody, and I was like, if you were
Speaker 1: just think of the biggest media company in America, if
Speaker 1: you were X, and they said we're commissioning you to
Speaker 1: get the top. You know, Boon and I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that are the s Boone expert. There's a lot of Boone.
Speaker 1: There's lots of Boone experts in Kentucky. There's Boon experts
Speaker 1: all over. So they're not the only ones. But you
Speaker 1: couldn't have picked better guys than Robert Morgan. Robert Morgan's
Speaker 1: in his mid seventies. And I'll tell you a story.
Speaker 1: We were unsure if he was I said this on
Speaker 1: the podcast. We were unsure, like if he was active
Speaker 1: at all. And anyway, I looked on it. I've looked
Speaker 1: him up. He had a website. Emailed him and within
Speaker 1: hours he was like, please come to my house. And
Speaker 1: this is a He's an incredible guy, very humble, like
Speaker 1: he's a professor at Cornell University. And I would have
Speaker 1: only known Cornell just kind of through the office. And Andy,
Speaker 1: Andy is a graduate of Cornell. Did you if Andy
Speaker 1: was in his class? And he probably gave you a
Speaker 1: blank st He was very humble, and he's from Appalachia,
Speaker 1: He's from North Carolina. But it was like such a
Speaker 1: great honor to sit with Morgan. What a great guy.
Speaker 1: And then I mean, it was awesome to talk with
Speaker 1: Steve about Boone. But I mean Steve is he's engaging
Speaker 1: to talk with and he knows so much about Boone
Speaker 1: and more than he knows the facts about Boone, like
Speaker 1: Steve was able to put Boone in context so well
Speaker 1: you know, um and uh so Morgan you know, kind
Speaker 1: of had the details and could just walk through his
Speaker 1: life without any you know, he wrote this years ago.
Speaker 1: And uh, anyway, Nigua Seth, what did you think? Well,
Speaker 1: first of all, I don't know as much about Daniel
Speaker 1: Boone as you are probably anybody here. So it was
Speaker 1: fascinating to me when you wanted to talk to me
Speaker 1: about archetypes because at that whole boy, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: have anything to add about Daniel Boone. But I tell
Speaker 1: you what was fascinating to me about the art, the
Speaker 1: podcast and the discussion of archetypes, uh, was how you
Speaker 1: used archetypes to tell to make connections, to tell stories
Speaker 1: about who Boon was. And so it helped me understand
Speaker 1: the myth. And I think I've actually texted you about
Speaker 1: the a little bit. When you, you you know, use the
Speaker 1: example of of Jesus going to the temple and his
Speaker 1: parents going and looking for him, and when you talked
Speaker 1: about and that was that was an excerpt from Morgan's book. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right? And then what who was it? That was
Speaker 1: it Morgan that talked about Moses's vision? Yeah? All that
Speaker 1: all that was in in in Morgan's book, it's unbelievable.
Speaker 1: So so you look at at Boone and you say, oh,
Speaker 1: this is why he's so identifiable, because he he sort
Speaker 1: of matches up with all these stories. We know, all
Speaker 1: these stories that seem to recur through. I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go real highbrow here, and I am going to
Speaker 1: quote some science fiction because I know that there's a
Speaker 1: lot of crossover. I'm sure with your audience and science
Speaker 1: fiction folks, maybe maybe there's a lot o Black Panthers
Speaker 1: considered science fiction. But there's this old there's this old
Speaker 1: sci fi television show I love called Battlestar Galactica came
Speaker 1: out in two thousand, and they say, over and over again, Uh,
Speaker 1: everything that has happened will happen again. And what they're
Speaker 1: is saying, in the storytelling way is all these stories
Speaker 1: that we see, they recur over and over and over again,
Speaker 1: the story of creation, fall, you know, rebellion, uh, and rebirth,
Speaker 1: and they happen over and over again. And I think
Speaker 1: that's what was so powerful to me about thinking of
Speaker 1: of Daniel Boon through an archetypal lens, was that, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: like that makes sense because I know that story or
Speaker 1: I know that story, or I know that story. I
Speaker 1: can place him, um, you know, as a character because
Speaker 1: I understand all these other stories, all these other characters
Speaker 1: that have existed before. Then tell us about the the cat,
Speaker 1: the cat, cat, the cat, the cat story that saved
Speaker 1: the Cat. Oh yeah, so there's this, Uh, I can't
Speaker 1: remember the know you brought up cats on the last one. Guys,
Speaker 1: I'm somewhat of a cat fanatic cucumber. Go ahead, No,
Speaker 1: it ties into seth archetype. So there's a wonderful book
Speaker 1: out there. It's called Save the Cat, and I think
Speaker 1: of the subtitles like for novels or something. Save the
Speaker 1: Cat writes a novel and it's basically um. The author
Speaker 1: I can't remember her name, but what she does she
Speaker 1: goes through all several different genres of very popular UM novels,
Speaker 1: and they've a lot have been made into movies. And
Speaker 1: so the story arcs, she would say, there's some similar
Speaker 1: to twelve archetypes stories. There's there's a certain number of
Speaker 1: kind of typical story arcs. And in those arcs there
Speaker 1: particular she calls them beats. And so each each story
Speaker 1: has these the stories that really compel us and grab
Speaker 1: us and like Gladiator. You know, things things like that
Speaker 1: have these particular beats, and once once you are aware
Speaker 1: of these beats, you really do see them in lots
Speaker 1: of lots of movies and lots of things. And so
Speaker 1: one of the beats is where the main hero, the agonist,
Speaker 1: at the very beginning, at the outset of the story,
Speaker 1: he you know, he or she will quote unquote save
Speaker 1: the cat or it's this kind of innocuous, fairly unrelated
Speaker 1: supposedly to the broader picture. The hero does something really nice. Okay,
Speaker 1: so he doesn't necessarily have to save the cat. And
Speaker 1: I can't remember the actual movie, but there are actually
Speaker 1: later The reason why she calls it save the cat
Speaker 1: is because in whatever movie it is that that's a
Speaker 1: good example. That's a good example. The hero does something
Speaker 1: really kind, which is really similar you know, in in
Speaker 1: what Seth is talking About and and what Uh and
Speaker 1: Mark Robert Morgan in that book is like this appeal
Speaker 1: of the individual goes off by themself, you know where
Speaker 1: where Daniel Boone was out and he was gone too long,
Speaker 1: his mom didn't know where he was, and turns out
Speaker 1: he was fine all by himself. He killed this spar
Speaker 1: and was sitting by fire and look, boys, here's some
Speaker 1: meat for you. And it's just like we look at
Speaker 1: Jesus and Luke chapter two, It's like, wait, where did
Speaker 1: you go? Oh? He was fine, you know. But the
Speaker 1: interesting thing culturally is like a Hebrew reader and here
Speaker 1: of that story in Luke would not look at it
Speaker 1: and say, oh, wow, he went off by himself, and
Speaker 1: that really kind of that that really kind of resonates
Speaker 1: with me and appeals to me. A Hebrew reader here
Speaker 1: of that story in the Gospels would say, wow, he
Speaker 1: claimed to be from a different group when he said
Speaker 1: I was when Jesus said, I was in my father's house.
Speaker 1: So it's a totally is that what Boone did? When
Speaker 1: I mean the analogy, I mean, is that what Boone
Speaker 1: was doing when he said, guys, I'm cool, I'm here.
Speaker 1: I thought I was on the same you know, I'm
Speaker 1: not sure what Boone would have done. But culture, culture
Speaker 1: really determines what we see and we don't even know.
Speaker 1: It's kind of a tacit lens that sits there and
Speaker 1: we look through it and we look at Daniel Boone's
Speaker 1: life and it's like, oh, really, like these aspects of him,
Speaker 1: and we tend to kind of minimize these other ones.
Speaker 1: And I think what's key about what you just said
Speaker 1: too is like when you as we as Westerners, as Americans,
Speaker 1: we interpret that as the explorer. I mean, there's an archetype,
Speaker 1: the explore archetype. And what does the explorer want to do.
Speaker 1: They want to go out, they want to find freedom,
Speaker 1: they want to fight for their freedom, they want to
Speaker 1: you know, enjoy their freedom. Um. I mean when you
Speaker 1: look at the way the Morgan excerpt reads, it was,
Speaker 1: you know, this christ figure coming from Heaven coming to
Speaker 1: this new, unexplored territory and saying, I'm gonna go where
Speaker 1: I I know I can connect, you know. And it's
Speaker 1: uh Moses when he walks out saying, I'm going to
Speaker 1: bring the people to the place through the desert. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go explore and bring the people to the place
Speaker 1: where I know they can connect with God even though
Speaker 1: I don't get to go there. And and then with
Speaker 1: with Boon, it's I'm gonna go to the place where
Speaker 1: I know it's unknown. I'm gonna fight from my freedom,
Speaker 1: but I know I can go out there and connect.
Speaker 1: And I mean again he's using Morgan is using those
Speaker 1: those just cultural hooks to help us understand like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is who he this is who he was, because
Speaker 1: this is the way that we interpret story. Yeah, call me,
Speaker 1: what do you think? Man? Before I do that, there's
Speaker 1: an elephant in the room. Oh, here's the thing he
Speaker 1: talked about the office. He's talking about Battlestar Galactic. Dan
Speaker 1: is over here talking about beats and we talked about
Speaker 1: bears bears set. Wow. Wow, there was a bullet in
Speaker 1: this magnum shooting to the roof. That's like six degrees
Speaker 1: of Kevin Bacon. That was Ken Bacon. It's killing me
Speaker 1: over here. I was just like everyone has been listening
Speaker 1: to have to talk to well you Dwight for the
Speaker 1: rest of the episode. Alright, alright, yeah, Kobe, Kobe, uh
Speaker 1: you what do you think of it? Man? Man? I
Speaker 1: stood out to you. I really liked it. You know,
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of things that that stood out.
Speaker 1: But I think that the as there's two things. One
Speaker 1: thing is the aspect of where he was weighing out
Speaker 1: different cultural things between in the Indians and you know,
Speaker 1: white men, where he was looking at just what wealth
Speaker 1: is you know, contrasting those So just looking at the
Speaker 1: cultural norms inside of my life of what I perceived
Speaker 1: as value, you know. So so it's like, whenever I
Speaker 1: listened to something, I listened from the lens of is
Speaker 1: there something that I can get out of it that
Speaker 1: overlays my life? That could you know, maybe like pull
Speaker 1: off some hedgemon that I just believe, Right, So that's one.
Speaker 1: The other one would be um let let me comment
Speaker 1: on that. So that section that was an excerpt that
Speaker 1: I read from Morgan's book about um the contrast between
Speaker 1: the European and Native American worldview, and it talked about
Speaker 1: how the Native Americans thought Europeans were crazy. I thought
Speaker 1: they were insane for trying to trying to pursue wealth,
Speaker 1: like I mean, I think maybe we all got it
Speaker 1: in that moment, But if you actually think about that,
Speaker 1: it's like very rational, very like if you lived off
Speaker 1: the land like Native Americans did, and people came here
Speaker 1: and we're in search of precious metals which were of
Speaker 1: like zero, I mean, like if we had a bar
Speaker 1: of gold out here in the mountains, setting by our
Speaker 1: campfire when we were deer hunting, trying to live off
Speaker 1: dear meat. It would be like, bro, don't put that
Speaker 1: on the mule. Yeah, I mean like like so when
Speaker 1: you tell us that sounds wild, but it actually is
Speaker 1: much more of a kind of primitive you know, ideology.
Speaker 1: But it's a wild because our lives as Westerners, it
Speaker 1: really is. It's sad. It revolves around accumulation of wealth
Speaker 1: and and those that section of the book that was
Speaker 1: one of the sections ten years ago that I remembered
Speaker 1: Boone's ill illegitimate daughter, and then the Native American worldview
Speaker 1: was one of one of many. Yeah, it makes you evaluate.
Speaker 1: It's like, what are we doing here? What were we doing? Guys?
Speaker 1: I think that what what that jogged in my memory was.
Speaker 1: I remember when I was doing my research, my PhD research.
Speaker 1: There's a study little guys call me doctor um. There's
Speaker 1: a study out there called Culture and Research Resource Conflict.
Speaker 1: I can't remember who wrote it, but there's the They
Speaker 1: looked at manimity Indians in Wisconsin and white you know,
Speaker 1: American sportsmen and how they viewed nature different. And so
Speaker 1: the boil the whole book down in the nutshell is
Speaker 1: like the white hunters wanted to quote unquote conquer nature,
Speaker 1: whereas the Native people's the manimity. Indians and in this
Speaker 1: area really saw themselves as a part of it and
Speaker 1: that and that was the source of them looking at
Speaker 1: each other and thinking you're crazy, along with of course
Speaker 1: a history of the semmic, you know, discrimination in genocide,
Speaker 1: all kinds of other things. But fundamentally they viewed reality different.
Speaker 1: You couldn't have had two groups of people meet in
Speaker 1: the woods that would have had different ways of thinking.
Speaker 1: I mean wild, yeah, and they're doing this, they're engaged
Speaker 1: in the same activities, so they're they're hunting, their gathering,
Speaker 1: you know, in the case of Daniel Boone, he's engaging
Speaker 1: in their activity. That's why Boone is Boone. And what
Speaker 1: Morgan and you know, I talked with Mr Morgan for
Speaker 1: three hours and you guys are gonna hear maybe forty
Speaker 1: five minutes of that conversation. Um. He talked about how
Speaker 1: the Native Americans had way bigger impact on modern American
Speaker 1: culture than we give them credit for, because he said, like,
Speaker 1: for instance, and we said this, like these Europeans came
Speaker 1: over here, they didn't know a lick about hunting because
Speaker 1: they weren't able to hunt in Europe because of the
Speaker 1: systems are you know, just the hierarchy of the nobility
Speaker 1: hunting commoners coming over here. It would be like, I mean,
Speaker 1: imagine being a new adult onset hunter thirty five years old,
Speaker 1: showing up and having to make a living off hunting.
Speaker 1: You wouldn't know much. Native Americans taught taught, taught these
Speaker 1: men how to hunt. They watched. But Boone, he was
Speaker 1: drawn to the Native Americans from the beginning. Did you
Speaker 1: just use the phrase adult onset hunter medical conditions terminal
Speaker 1: if you're not successful term um. So they had a big,
Speaker 1: big influence and that's what made Boone who he was like.
Speaker 1: It really did like he and you'll see in these
Speaker 1: next couple of episodes how the Native American worldview so
Speaker 1: influenced him. And Boone did a whole bunch of stuff
Speaker 1: that really he probably shouldn't get credit for. And it's
Speaker 1: not because he didn't do it, but it's because it
Speaker 1: wasn't necessarily his intent. Like when Boone went through the
Speaker 1: Cumberland Gap and started settling in Kentucky, he wasn't thinking
Speaker 1: of an American empire that he was the spear point
Speaker 1: of the dude wanted some good deer hunting. He wasn't
Speaker 1: looking to expand anything except his hunting ground. I mean
Speaker 1: that is he he wanted a place for his family
Speaker 1: to live where that he could get away from, you know,
Speaker 1: some of the pressures back home. But like he was
Speaker 1: not like man, I am a patriot. Actually will learn
Speaker 1: that he wasn't much of a He really wasn't that
Speaker 1: much of a patriot. He went back and forth. He
Speaker 1: was tried by the Americans for treason because they thought
Speaker 1: he was a Tory, and they thought he was in
Speaker 1: coops with the Native Americans, which the French in the
Speaker 1: Native in the Native Americans were to working together to
Speaker 1: keep the Americans out of the West. Man. So the
Speaker 1: real life Daniel Boone really really didn't he would the
Speaker 1: narrative of yeah, I mean like he fought for America
Speaker 1: to make all Americans free, No, sir, He was a
Speaker 1: teamster in the French and Indian War. To make a living.
Speaker 1: He was a truck driver, being a teamster. That essentially
Speaker 1: because my grandfather was a teamster. And I always wonder
Speaker 1: where did that name come from? Like why do they
Speaker 1: call him teamsters? And that put I put two and
Speaker 1: two to two and two together. When he had horses
Speaker 1: and mules and he was a truck driver. Oh and
Speaker 1: he called himself a team teams and I was wondered
Speaker 1: why they were just his motivations were not as like
Speaker 1: pure as what the archetype would suggest, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: or the myth. I mean I I was looking at
Speaker 1: these lyrics too, right when you started singing right that
Speaker 1: the who he actually was didn't match with the myth
Speaker 1: that we've made him out to be. And I mean,
Speaker 1: I think that goes back to what we were talking
Speaker 1: about in our conversation about you know, humans are terribly complex.
Speaker 1: It's you know, we're not just archetypes. It's easy to
Speaker 1: boil everyone down in this room to a certain archetypal,
Speaker 1: you know, type or character, but we're all complex, We're
Speaker 1: all the you know. In some circles, you may be uh,
Speaker 1: you know, a complete the scene as a complete rebel,
Speaker 1: and there's a complete lover and another's a fierce explorer.
Speaker 1: And and that's what I think made the first episode
Speaker 1: to me so impactful, was because you start to see
Speaker 1: these layers. And I can't wait for the second episode
Speaker 1: to see those layers because I think it's it does
Speaker 1: help to deconstruct some of the mythology that that frankly,
Speaker 1: he helps make him more of a man, more of
Speaker 1: a human, more of a person, less of a myth
Speaker 1: tall tale. Yeah yeah, I really that Onceeth said that
Speaker 1: made me think about the the the layers of who
Speaker 1: he was. The the impacting story to me and that
Speaker 1: just you know, my family is is something that I've
Speaker 1: put a lot of emphasis on, doo and you know,
Speaker 1: building my marriage and and building my family with my children.
Speaker 1: The story that really impacted me was the one with
Speaker 1: his son where he was. They were on the river
Speaker 1: bank camping. Um even like the sun shooting the deer,
Speaker 1: and it was there was a bear shooting the bear.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's right, Um, his son killed the buck and uh,
Speaker 1: you know Daniel heard the shot, came back and was like,
Speaker 1: let's find this. You know, there was there was this
Speaker 1: sense of camaraderie over this thing that that Daniel would
Speaker 1: have loved so much to experience that with his son.
Speaker 1: And then and then the position of being a father
Speaker 1: and a protector, being aware and alert to hear the
Speaker 1: chops of the Native American hatchets across the river and saying, okay,
Speaker 1: here's the game plan, here's what we're gonna do. I
Speaker 1: love seeing that. I imagine if one of us had
Speaker 1: that story, we're literally life and death. Like none of us.
Speaker 1: We just live in such a different world. But like,
Speaker 1: imagine if Dan had his story going out with his
Speaker 1: dad and people that would have killed him or kidnapped
Speaker 1: him for life, or at minimums stole in a bunch
Speaker 1: of his stuff. I mean, that was pretty common and
Speaker 1: and I can't cast judgment on their intentions, but usually
Speaker 1: it wasn't good intentions. Uh yeah. During that story, I
Speaker 1: think one of the things that kind of gave me
Speaker 1: chills was whenever they were in the canoe and he
Speaker 1: just pushed off and he put his head to where
Speaker 1: you see under the fog, and that statements like I
Speaker 1: see what people think about him were like how they
Speaker 1: view him that particular way, Like it was like some
Speaker 1: some scales coming off of his son's eyes of like
Speaker 1: I see you a little differently right now, you know,
Speaker 1: And just even thinking about times inside of my life
Speaker 1: of like how I viewed my dad at different times
Speaker 1: of stages of life. Think about how masterful that move
Speaker 1: was though, I mean, how he did that, like it
Speaker 1: was super very calculated, because I I thought, man you're
Speaker 1: hearing those chops, let's go. You know, why why why
Speaker 1: wouldn't he have gone? I thought about that. Why didn't
Speaker 1: they just leave? Well? It was dark. It was dark.
Speaker 1: You can't see anything. I think you gotta move slower.
Speaker 1: You're gonna make a ton of noise. You know. I
Speaker 1: would have just panicked and ran. But one thing that
Speaker 1: is that Okay, that's right. It was it was dark,
Speaker 1: and they would have wrecked. The head lamps are probably
Speaker 1: out of batteries. So one of the things that touched
Speaker 1: me about it though, was when the Sun said that
Speaker 1: was you know, he shot that buck and Daniel came
Speaker 1: back and he said that was the last time that
Speaker 1: my dad didn't take me with him when he went
Speaker 1: out from the fire. Yeah, and that was that was
Speaker 1: significant to the Sun. Well, I mean, talk about a
Speaker 1: moment in time that's fascinating, especially if you're a hunter.
Speaker 1: Is Daniel Boone teaching his youngest and last son, Nathan Boone,
Speaker 1: how did deer hunt? I mean that he did. Like
Speaker 1: Nathan told us that story. Dad told me that you
Speaker 1: don't you don't sneak up on the deer when they
Speaker 1: have their head up, but you slip in on him
Speaker 1: and on that one hunt they killed fifteen deer and
Speaker 1: two or three bears. I mean like that's, uh, that's
Speaker 1: pretty wild. Like that was just like common. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, heck, we go on a deer hunt and
Speaker 1: kill a deer or a bear in a year, We're like, wow,
Speaker 1: what a year. I mean they were they were wearing
Speaker 1: them out, man. That's what I liked about that whole
Speaker 1: thing was the relationship because that that made Daniel Boone
Speaker 1: or Dan as as like more relatable, like what Seth
Speaker 1: was talking about, because I can remember the coming of
Speaker 1: age moment with my dad hunting. I can remember not
Speaker 1: so long ago the coming of age of my son
Speaker 1: hunting with me when all that came about, and I
Speaker 1: can relate that back to Daniel Boone and his son.
Speaker 1: How crazy is that? You know that? That that was
Speaker 1: what spoke to me out of this this first part.
Speaker 1: So there's something unique and exciting and fun. And Seth
Speaker 1: would understand this having written a lot, is that when
Speaker 1: you really many of us in the room would I'm
Speaker 1: looking at Dr Dan respect when you dive into something
Speaker 1: so deep you, especially if you're researching a person like
Speaker 1: I felt like I knew I feel like I know
Speaker 1: Daniel Boone, I really do. Like I feel like if
Speaker 1: he walked in the door and sat down, I would
Speaker 1: know how to engage with him. It wouldn't be like
Speaker 1: I feel like that. Now. Whether if that's true or not,
Speaker 1: I don't know. But but so when I read what
Speaker 1: the sequence of my study of Boon was first this
Speaker 1: Boon book, and then two other Boon biographies parts of them,
Speaker 1: and then the last book I got was Nathan was
Speaker 1: Lyman Draper. Okay, alex uh I said, Nathan Draper on
Speaker 1: the podcast is actually Lyman Draper, Thanks, Alex. I love
Speaker 1: that guy. I really do m Lyman Draper. I found
Speaker 1: out about that book here it is right here my father,
Speaker 1: Daniel Boone. And it was like I had discovered and
Speaker 1: I had heard, I'd heard him talk about it, but
Speaker 1: I really didn't know it was so accessible to get, Like,
Speaker 1: I didn't know I could get on Amazon and show
Speaker 1: up in my house in two days. And so I
Speaker 1: was like, Dad, game, you can just order that book.
Speaker 1: And I ordered this book and I started to read
Speaker 1: segment of the podcast Brought to You by Amazon. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean like was deeply moved by hearing Nathan's account
Speaker 1: of his father, because I included the challenging of telling
Speaker 1: a story like this is what do you include? There's
Speaker 1: just so much. And one thing that I did choose
Speaker 1: to include was that two different people sat down with
Speaker 1: Boone when he was an old man to interview him
Speaker 1: about his life. And one of him was his grandson
Speaker 1: in law, who when Boone was an old man, imagine,
Speaker 1: imagine a granddaughter going to her new husband. Man, Grandpa
Speaker 1: is pretty cool, dude. I wish somebody would write his story,
Speaker 1: just like get him to tell stories. And the and
Speaker 1: the and the grandson was a doctor as I remember,
Speaker 1: and and yep, and the grandson goes and spends at
Speaker 1: a notable chunk of time. I can't remember interviewing Daniel's
Speaker 1: whole life. So I mean, this is like quill and
Speaker 1: E I suppose, and in the eight the teens of
Speaker 1: the eighteen hundreds that would have been quill and ink.
Speaker 1: I don't know. He records the entire life story of
Speaker 1: Daniel Boone and Dan's words and this too, and we'll
Speaker 1: get to this in the later episodes. But Boone died
Speaker 1: a common man, and this, to me shows it as
Speaker 1: much as anything is. They had this manuscript of Boone's
Speaker 1: life and his own words, and it just got lost.
Speaker 1: M hmm, I mean just got lost. I mean if
Speaker 1: you had sat down and interviewed uh, I mean I
Speaker 1: I don't want to name a political figure, because Dwight Eisenhower.
Speaker 1: If you if you sat down and interviewed Dwight Eisenhower
Speaker 1: and that was the only part of history, I mean
Speaker 1: like you would probably take care of that manuscript. The
Speaker 1: manuscript was lost and and and then it happened again.
Speaker 1: Another young family member said, man, we gotta do that
Speaker 1: again because old Jimmy lost it. And so they sat
Speaker 1: down and started it, didn't complete it, but still had
Speaker 1: a big chunk of it, and lost it. When Nathan
Speaker 1: Boone was in his seventies, he said, the family told
Speaker 1: me they were gonna give me the unfinished draft, but
Speaker 1: they never did. And so that's part of the reason, though,
Speaker 1: Seth Haines, why Boone is so mythologized is because we
Speaker 1: never heard him in his own voice. We never heard
Speaker 1: from his own boy. The only place we hear him
Speaker 1: in his own voice is John Philson, who wrote the
Speaker 1: very first part of When Dan was fifty years old.
Speaker 1: You remember what made him famous what catalyzed him the
Speaker 1: single chapter in the book. But that's not in Dan's voice.
Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying. That guy took it way
Speaker 1: out of his voice. And so anyway, it's just it's
Speaker 1: it's a wild story, and it's uh um. What I
Speaker 1: hope people see inside of this whole thing when we're
Speaker 1: done with it, is Boone had the reason. I've said
Speaker 1: this before on The Burger's podcast. I'm I'm not interested
Speaker 1: in and not that you can like critique someone's character fully.
Speaker 1: I mean, like anybody you talked to us in this
Speaker 1: room have flaws in our character. Brent I I was
Speaker 1: thinking that, but I I don't want to like, you know,
Speaker 1: highlight or celebrate someone that just had like it was
Speaker 1: not a good person. You know, Daniel Boone had pretty
Speaker 1: incredible character. Robert Morgan did a great job in this book.
Speaker 1: And I actually talked to Morgan about it probably won't
Speaker 1: make the podcast because it just wasn't that flashy of
Speaker 1: a section, but I said, it seems to me like
Speaker 1: you like you're interested in like defending Boone's character, and
Speaker 1: he was like, yeah, I mean that's what I remember
Speaker 1: him saying. Just because Boone because we'll get into more.
Speaker 1: Boone had a lot of potential for having bad character.
Speaker 1: He was in debt to a lot of people, spend
Speaker 1: a lot of time in court over debt, tried of
Speaker 1: treason a lot of people. I mean, anybody that's that famous,
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a lot of people that were jealous
Speaker 1: of him, didn't like him, and he made mistakes just
Speaker 1: like anybody would have. So anyway, but Daniel Boone, Dan Boone,
Speaker 1: it seems a little bit like are you're talking about?
Speaker 1: You just keep thinking about what says talking about with archetypes,
Speaker 1: It's almost as if we talked about the founding fathers
Speaker 1: and as a nation we needed fathering, and that he
Speaker 1: certainly lived at a time, and then in the subsequent years,
Speaker 1: you know, we're still decades and hundred years later, our
Speaker 1: our nation is still kind of forming. And we made
Speaker 1: this myth of a father who would do what Daniel
Speaker 1: did with his son and that canoe, which was let
Speaker 1: me wrap you up, put you in a blanket, and
Speaker 1: you laid down, and I'll paddle us through this kind
Speaker 1: of uncharted territory with some folks are chasing us. You know,
Speaker 1: we kind of made this myth and even that the
Speaker 1: lyrics of that song. You know, he fought to make
Speaker 1: America free. It's kind of like, deep down just like us,
Speaker 1: we remember these like Brents talking about this moment with
Speaker 1: your father and your son. We need to be fathered
Speaker 1: and as a nation and as a culture when he
Speaker 1: fathers and so some of it's true, some of it's
Speaker 1: a myth. But we construct this father figure in Daniel
Speaker 1: Boone so we can feel safe, you know, so we
Speaker 1: can and so we have a place to head. You
Speaker 1: want to be like your dad, you know man and
Speaker 1: and Boone came at such a great time to be
Speaker 1: an American hero. I mean this prime time was between
Speaker 1: seventeen seventy and seventeen eighty. Like we said in that
Speaker 1: quote about his thirties, I've had more people asked me
Speaker 1: for that quote, remember the quote the man in his thirties. Um,
Speaker 1: lots of people. That quote impacted Misty and I like
Speaker 1: such that we put it in her. It was actually
Speaker 1: it was actually in Misty's office. I would like to
Speaker 1: correct myself. I said, in the presence of Mr Mr
Speaker 1: Mr Morgan, that was in our house. It was in
Speaker 1: our office. So anyway, we've had the quote but incredible quote.
Speaker 1: And it was so seventeen eighty, seventeen seventy to seventeen eighty,
Speaker 1: I mean the American Revolution with seventeen seventy six, I
Speaker 1: mean that was when we So it's like that's a
Speaker 1: good time too if you're looking for a hero's datus
Speaker 1: to be around. But I mean, to Dan's point and
Speaker 1: to what I said earlier, everything that's happened before all
Speaker 1: happen again. I mean, and and maybe there's some anthropological
Speaker 1: uh you know, the truth here too, But like, I
Speaker 1: think that's where we are right now. I think the
Speaker 1: reason why people are sitting in this room discussing Daniel
Speaker 1: Boone all these years later is because, I mean, we're
Speaker 1: at a point. I feel like we're at a point
Speaker 1: in our history, regardless of where you're on the political spectrum,
Speaker 1: where we we need some strong character driven individuals, men
Speaker 1: or women, but to step up and to say, like
Speaker 1: we we need to make something better of this country.
Speaker 1: And and that's why these stories keep resonating, because we
Speaker 1: we kind of come back to these moments of history
Speaker 1: where it's like, man, things things feel shaky, thanks Phil,
Speaker 1: like they're gonna fall apart a little bit and we
Speaker 1: kind of we want those heroes, we need them. Yeah. Incredible, man, Hey,
Speaker 1: this has been a great conversation. I can't thank you
Speaker 1: guys enough. Really, thank you all. I love every one
Speaker 1: of you. Thanks for coming. Good, good combo. And uh,
Speaker 1: I wanted to show you one thing before we quit here.
Speaker 1: You'll see this. Brent described this. I'm gonna put it
Speaker 1: on on a scale of one to ten. I would
Speaker 1: give that about ten and a half. This is uh,
Speaker 1: this is my new hat. Boys. This is a hundred
Speaker 1: percent beaver Felt sing custom made hat. Beautiful and it
Speaker 1: says handmade for Clay Nukelem and it has Burgrease right there.
Speaker 1: So they're out of They're out of Jackson Hole are
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah sing Hat Company. Uh, they're friends of ours
Speaker 1: and uh, I just got this in the mouth today
Speaker 1: Instagram and they have some amazing beaver Felt hats. And
Speaker 1: the reason that I have this on is because Daniel
Speaker 1: Boone did not wear a Coonskin cap. He wore a
Speaker 1: beaver Felt really yeah, with a coonskin on top with
Speaker 1: what does everybody with a podcast get one of those ants?
Speaker 1: I wish man, I take I got one. There's not enough,
Speaker 1: not enough. Let me tell you something. This hat was
Speaker 1: designed to look like James Lawrence's hat put on my Instagram.
Speaker 1: I sent her the picture. Uh I sent her the
Speaker 1: picture of James Lawrence and uh so, anyway, yeah, I
Speaker 1: like it. I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna kind of
Speaker 1: break it in a little bit. I like it. Nope,
Speaker 1: looking forward to episode two, Keep the Wild Places Wild,
Speaker 1: because that's where the bears live, and that's where Daniel
Speaker 1: Boone wanted to go, where the barriers were and it
Speaker 1: wasn't bit m hm