WEBVTT - Ep 15: Bear Grease [Render] - Mule Kicked, Scandals and Boone Mythology 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:17.080 Yeah, my name is Clay Nukeleman. This is a production 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:20.680 of the bear Grease podcast called The bear Grease Render, 0:00:21.120 --> 0:00:25.200 where we render down, dive deeper, and looked behind the 0:00:25.280 --> 0:00:30.040 scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by f 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:35.320 HF Gear, American made purpose built hunting and fishing gear 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:39.280 that's designed to be as rugged as the places we explore. 0:00:45.440 --> 0:00:49.600 What you got in your hand there, Dan, ultralight titanium 0:00:49.800 --> 0:00:53.319 revolver wrist breaker. It's a Taurus forty four magnum. That's 0:00:53.320 --> 0:00:54.920 what it is. Is that what it is? Yeah, that 0:00:54.960 --> 0:00:57.800 thing's made of titanium super light. But it's a gorgeous 0:00:57.880 --> 0:01:00.800 looks like a mule, but it's a that's a good 0:01:00.840 --> 0:01:05.160 bear gun. Hey, welcome to the bear Grease Render. My, 0:01:05.240 --> 0:01:09.920 oh my, do we ever have a production today? Man? 0:01:10.080 --> 0:01:13.400 We have uh, we have two new people in the 0:01:13.520 --> 0:01:16.400 in in the room today at the Global headquarters to 0:01:16.600 --> 0:01:20.759 new people. And we traditionally introduced the new people at 0:01:20.800 --> 0:01:24.839 the end too, so like it's like suspenseful of what's 0:01:24.840 --> 0:01:38.400 gonna be happening. Land Bridge is cocking the gun now, Okay, 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:42.040 welcome to America. First, First of all, Gary Newcomb is 0:01:42.080 --> 0:01:46.399 not here. Man, it's too bad. He's building. He's building 0:01:46.400 --> 0:01:48.960 the barn. He's not on a dozer. Oh, man, I 0:01:49.000 --> 0:01:52.160 got some stories about a dozer and Misty Newcomb was 0:01:52.200 --> 0:01:56.320 gonna be here. She had to bail for professional reasons, 0:01:57.080 --> 0:02:03.640 and she was very quickly replaced. That substituted substitution was 0:02:03.720 --> 0:02:06.640 very quickly substituted. Yes, it makes me wonder who is 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:11.080 the substitutions? I mean, who was it? Who'd you have 0:02:11.160 --> 0:02:14.240 on speed dial? Well, I'll tell that so to my right, 0:02:14.320 --> 0:02:18.720 I have Mr Brent Reeves. Brent, good to see you, Thanks, man, 0:02:18.840 --> 0:02:21.840 I got a new hat. Dr Daniel Rupe good to 0:02:21.840 --> 0:02:26.360 be here, fantastic to see you. It's good I have 0:02:26.840 --> 0:02:30.600 dand's got a new bow. Yeah, absolutely wonderful. Is a 0:02:30.680 --> 0:02:33.120 Matthews I don't I don't actually know what kind of is? 0:02:33.160 --> 0:02:39.880 What kind is it? B XR Matthews v x are slick, Yeah, smooth, phenomenal, 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:45.359 land Bridge spillmaker. Man, guys, let's just give him a 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:52.560 round of applau. You made it on the Bargrease podcast. Everyone, 0:02:52.560 --> 0:02:55.440 I'm bowing. Yeah, I mean I thought you wanted us 0:02:55.520 --> 0:02:59.320 to bout it, not just not just on the podcast, 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:04.799 but staring the podcast off. Yeah, you came You came 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:09.120 in hot, and it was brilliant and that was totally unplanned. 0:03:09.120 --> 0:03:11.760 I walked in the place where Josh works and just 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:14.840 literally stuck a microphone in his face, and that is 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:17.639 what came out. Did he know you were recording him? 0:03:17.639 --> 0:03:21.080 And how often do you record us apart from our knowledge? 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:27.520 If I give you a consent paper to sign just 0:03:27.639 --> 0:03:32.400 like his chest pocket towards you while he's talking, might 0:03:32.480 --> 0:03:36.000 be good. Now, Josh came in hot with the song 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:39.600 of Daniel Boone, which I really was shocked because I 0:03:39.640 --> 0:03:43.040 had just dug up that Daniel Boone song just a 0:03:43.080 --> 0:03:47.880 few days before, and honestly I never saw that that 0:03:48.520 --> 0:03:52.160 TV show. It was awesome, the Daniel Boone and a 0:03:52.320 --> 0:03:58.200 role that will astound you. Yes, we're gonna talk about 0:03:58.240 --> 0:04:02.640 that more directly to Josh is right? Is a voice 0:04:02.680 --> 0:04:05.600 that you've heard before coming in hot from the Bear 0:04:05.680 --> 0:04:15.040 Honey Magazine Global headquarters, Colby Moore head try your voice. Hey, 0:04:15.200 --> 0:04:18.600 So for people that wouldn't many of you might be 0:04:18.680 --> 0:04:23.359 familiar with Kolby from my former podcast, the Bear Honey 0:04:23.400 --> 0:04:27.600 Magazine podcast. Colby works for me at Bear Honey Magazine. 0:04:27.600 --> 0:04:31.640 Colby is the genius behind Bear Honey magazine. He does 0:04:31.880 --> 0:04:34.320 a ton of stuff. He's the wind beneath your wings 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:40.240 is the is the wind beneath my wings is Kobe, 0:04:40.279 --> 0:04:44.200 the man who can give me Colby, sorry, Colby, the 0:04:44.240 --> 0:04:47.960 man who can get me a bandit hat. That's that's 0:04:47.960 --> 0:04:54.480 a big ask. We'll talk later. Great to have you, Colby, 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:58.359 and then to Kolby's right. Hey, we're gonna call Seth 0:04:58.440 --> 0:05:03.920 our guest of honor. I woul Okay, this is uh 0:05:04.120 --> 0:05:06.760 many most of us know Seth from other places, but 0:05:06.839 --> 0:05:09.680 this is my friend, Seth. Haynes and Seth had a 0:05:09.720 --> 0:05:12.400 home run performance on the burgers side. It was at 0:05:12.480 --> 0:05:14.640 least a solid double. It was it was at least 0:05:15.320 --> 0:05:18.920 it was a solid double. Yeah, Tony Gwinn double, I'll 0:05:18.920 --> 0:05:23.080 take them all day long. Yeah. Yeah. No. So Seth 0:05:23.880 --> 0:05:26.400 a couple of years ago, well maybe not even a 0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:28.560 couple of years ago, a year ago, told me I 0:05:28.600 --> 0:05:32.560 ought to get this book on archetypes, branding archetypes. What's 0:05:32.560 --> 0:05:34.520 the name of the hero and the outlaw? Yeah, people 0:05:34.520 --> 0:05:39.400 are gonna ask, and so what do I do when 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:42.760 smart people tell me what to do? I hope you 0:05:45.400 --> 0:05:49.760 I do what they said, so what did I do? 0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:52.640 I got the book, and Uh, to be honest with you, 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:55.839 I didn't finish it. As long as you read the 0:05:55.839 --> 0:05:59.040 ones that pertain to you, like anything in personality, you're 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:01.680 find mine. I wait a minute, I told you to 0:06:01.680 --> 0:06:03.560 read a book like two years ago, you still ain't 0:06:03.560 --> 0:06:10.520 read it. I have a question of the nine archetypes, 0:06:11.080 --> 0:06:17.440 which one corresponds to Clay nucom do the dozer one 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:21.080 of the nine archetypes? It's twelve. But we can get that. 0:06:21.600 --> 0:06:28.160 We can get somebody, somebody just the clown. It would 0:06:28.160 --> 0:06:30.600 be interesting to talk about some of the archetypes because 0:06:30.600 --> 0:06:33.440 then they surprised me. We can do it. But but no, 0:06:33.640 --> 0:06:37.040 So I started researching Boot. And so you know, I 0:06:37.120 --> 0:06:41.719 read this Boon Boon by Robert Morgan ten years ago. 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:43.799 And you know who told me to read that book. 0:06:44.240 --> 0:06:46.239 A man that I didn't even know at the time, 0:06:46.240 --> 0:06:48.400 which was Steve Rinella. It was on one of his 0:06:48.480 --> 0:06:52.720 book lists. Yeah, ten twelve years ago. And I got it, 0:06:54.360 --> 0:06:59.040 and and uh, I read the Boon book and they 0:06:59.040 --> 0:07:02.600 started talking about Boon as an archetype, which as they 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:08.360 began to describe that, I began to recognize Boon holding 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:11.600 this place kind of in our culture that was like 0:07:11.760 --> 0:07:14.560 kind of unusual, just like this, It's like, why is 0:07:14.600 --> 0:07:17.160 this guy here? And they started talking about archetypes. And 0:07:17.200 --> 0:07:19.600 then a year ago Seth had me read about archetypes, 0:07:19.960 --> 0:07:22.760 and then that's why I interviewed Seth, and I think 0:07:22.760 --> 0:07:27.560 it's really important to understand. You probably could have poled 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:30.840 Burgher's podcast listeners and said what is an archetype, and 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:33.520 maybe many of them would have been able to kind 0:07:33.520 --> 0:07:35.320 of describe it, like I kind of would have known 0:07:35.400 --> 0:07:38.240 what it meant. But when you really know what they mean. 0:07:38.520 --> 0:07:40.920 Seth and I were talking the other day, you start 0:07:41.000 --> 0:07:46.280 to see archetypes all over your life and you see 0:07:46.320 --> 0:07:49.760 these you see these places and anyway, it's interesting. So 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:52.560 good to have you everyone. You know that I'm probably 0:07:52.560 --> 0:07:54.920 an archetype to you of something which we can talk 0:07:54.960 --> 0:07:57.480 about that later. I don't know. So there's like scales 0:07:57.560 --> 0:08:00.680 of archetypes. Yeah, yeah, totally totally. So, Yeah, it was 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:02.480 a good time. I've enjoyed it and I'm glad to 0:08:02.480 --> 0:08:06.600 be here with all of you archetypes, especially you. Josh 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:10.080 singled out, yeah, I don't even know what that, Seth. 0:08:10.840 --> 0:08:14.200 I did not choose that Seth was the cold open. 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:16.880 That was a surprise to me. That was the one 0:08:17.000 --> 0:08:19.400 that's the one part of the podcast that I don't 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:22.720 put my hands on. I let Phil Taylor do what 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:26.280 Phil Taylor does at media always say, and that was 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:29.880 riveted when I heard Seth, No, I loved it. And see, 0:08:30.080 --> 0:08:34.599 that's that's why it's good to have. Like I was expecting, 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:38.559 like some gritty fact about Boon, you know, like killing 0:08:38.600 --> 0:08:41.480 a bear or something. I heard Seth's boys, and I thought, 0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:46.760 finally they've replaced Clay with somebody who's my name is 0:08:46.800 --> 0:08:52.480 Seth as it would be a really boring podcast if 0:08:52.480 --> 0:08:55.400 I had to do it. Good to have you, Seth. Hey, 0:08:55.559 --> 0:08:58.439 I've been doing some mule training this week, boys, John 0:08:58.440 --> 0:09:02.960 of that, I didn't know that. It's just okay, was 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:11.439 that on the Instagram page? Yeah, it's on the instagramended 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:17.240 reading reading your podcast off No, no, Yeah, I've been 0:09:17.280 --> 0:09:23.400 doing some mule training. Um, Banjoe okay, you can go 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:27.960 back and like it or something. So ban Joe is uh, 0:09:28.440 --> 0:09:33.040 he's coming on three years old. Banjoe is iz he's 0:09:33.280 --> 0:09:37.080 full brother. Oh I didn't know that full brother. So 0:09:37.240 --> 0:09:42.000 same mayor same Jack Donkey okay, and but they look different, 0:09:42.240 --> 0:09:45.319 but they both are pretty flashy. They've got color on him. 0:09:46.040 --> 0:09:49.280 Banjo we had. I got him when he was like 0:09:49.679 --> 0:09:53.160 nine months old and and honestly he should be trained 0:09:53.240 --> 0:09:55.320 right now. By by the time Iz he was three 0:09:55.400 --> 0:09:59.240 years old. Um, I had written her extensively. You know, 0:09:59.559 --> 0:10:02.880 so band Joe is not he's not broke yet, but 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:06.880 I am. I'm kind of testing. And really it's just 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:09.480 been schedule and timing. And I didn't need a mule. 0:10:09.520 --> 0:10:11.720 I trained Izzy real quick because I needed a mule 0:10:11.760 --> 0:10:15.520 real quick. If you want to go buy a mule, 0:10:15.679 --> 0:10:23.199 especially after post COVID mule is big time on post 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:29.800 COVID mules. You see a man, you see a man 0:10:29.920 --> 0:10:32.200 in Arkansas or Missouri driving down the road with a 0:10:32.240 --> 0:10:34.120 flashy mule in the back of his trailer, he might 0:10:34.160 --> 0:10:39.199 as well be driving Ben's. Yeah, the price has gone 0:10:39.240 --> 0:10:42.760 through the roof. That is why you know, three or 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:46.280 four years ago, whenever I trained Izzy pre COVID. Now 0:10:46.320 --> 0:10:49.600 this will give you some insight into my financial status. 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:51.400 I've also said that you can tell him a lot 0:10:51.440 --> 0:10:55.480 about a man's financial status and his disposable income by 0:10:55.640 --> 0:11:00.720 his mule trailer. I have a mule trailer so old 0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:02.840 people don't even know when it was made. I mean 0:11:02.880 --> 0:11:04.520 like I took it to a trailer place and I 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:06.000 was like, what do you think that thing was made? 0:11:06.080 --> 0:11:08.160 And he was like, man, I got no idea, and 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:13.240 this was like Wooden spokes no. So but back in 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:15.840 the day, I needed a good mule. Didn't have the 0:11:15.880 --> 0:11:19.760 money to pay pre COVID mule prices, so I had 0:11:19.800 --> 0:11:24.800 to go by a just an unbroke, untrained mule. Got 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:28.000 it turned out good, went back to the same guy 0:11:28.120 --> 0:11:32.600 and got Banjo. Training Banjo now. But I also have 0:11:32.760 --> 0:11:38.199 you know that ten days ago Saturday, I got kicked 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:42.760 the hardest mule kick I've ever been kicked. Happened ten 0:11:42.840 --> 0:11:44.400 day the day I went to your house. Do you 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:49.439 remember I talked about, man, listen to this. I had 0:11:49.440 --> 0:11:59.960 to rub Clay's upper thigh. Okay, I was getting banned. 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:04.040 I had taken Banjo to another pasture. And he's not 0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:05.679 very good in the trailer. He's only been the trailer 0:12:05.679 --> 0:12:07.360 a couple of times. He'll go in and out good though, 0:12:07.360 --> 0:12:09.720 which is a training feat. He'll go in and out. 0:12:10.280 --> 0:12:13.439 He was coming. I untied him and was backing him 0:12:13.440 --> 0:12:16.800 out so I'm on the back of the trailer. His 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:20.520 you know, tail and rear end and legs are all 0:12:21.120 --> 0:12:23.880 you know right here. I've opened the door. He's backing out. 0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:27.400 He's dragging his lead rope because I've untied him from 0:12:27.400 --> 0:12:29.920 the front, and so he gets his back feet on 0:12:29.960 --> 0:12:33.280 the ground. He drops his front feet on the ground, 0:12:33.559 --> 0:12:37.640 so his back feet are like five feet away from me. Okay, 0:12:37.840 --> 0:12:39.679 do you see what I'm saying? Like my feet are 0:12:39.720 --> 0:12:43.560 even with his front feet. His head still on the trailer, 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:47.400 his lead rope is about to drop to the to 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:51.400 the floor of the trailer, which has mule dung in it. 0:12:52.240 --> 0:12:55.320 So rather than let the rope drag through the mule dung, 0:12:55.600 --> 0:12:59.560 I reached real fast to grab the rope before it 0:12:59.640 --> 0:13:03.720 hits the ground in the trailer. I never even saw 0:13:03.920 --> 0:13:07.240 it happen. My head is this way, and all of 0:13:07.320 --> 0:13:10.920 a sudden, I just just feel just a whoop, just 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:16.280 a bam, And I turned around and ban Joe is 0:13:16.360 --> 0:13:19.440 just standing there just like he was before. Like I 0:13:19.520 --> 0:13:22.120 actually don't even have any real evidence that he's the 0:13:22.120 --> 0:13:27.160 one that kicks that sucker. I mean, he he must 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:30.640 have come up off his front feet turned like this 0:13:30.800 --> 0:13:33.960 and just given me a bam it but front no, no, 0:13:34.040 --> 0:13:36.040 it's back foot. I mean, I guess, I don't know. 0:13:36.320 --> 0:13:39.640 Sure he wasn't the ghost of the Captain. Yeah, because 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:42.559 I got here today and I was it was gone. 0:13:42.600 --> 0:13:46.920 It was Colby's experienced the fierceness it was. I tried 0:13:46.920 --> 0:13:49.720 to I've tried to describe it. It He hit me 0:13:49.800 --> 0:13:51.080 right in the center of the thought it was the 0:13:51.120 --> 0:13:53.400 best place to get cook Bet kicked like it was 0:13:53.480 --> 0:13:55.960 the strongest muscle in your body. I think it would 0:13:56.000 --> 0:13:59.920 be equivalent to like a very strong man just punch 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:02.760 in you as hard as he could punch you in 0:14:02.840 --> 0:14:05.600 the in the thigh. And it because it acted like 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:07.880 nothing happened, because I didn't want to give him too 0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:10.000 much attention. I didn't want to discipline him. It was 0:14:10.040 --> 0:14:13.319 my fault, and so I just grabbed up the libroke, 0:14:13.440 --> 0:14:15.520 acted like nothing happened, and just walked him to the 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:21.520 deal and then and all it did was just leave 0:14:21.560 --> 0:14:24.440 a big there's still a big, big hoof shaped bruise 0:14:24.560 --> 0:14:27.560 right there on my way. Yeah. So I've been doing 0:14:27.600 --> 0:14:30.800 a little mule training. Um so it was ban joke 0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:41.080 repercussions and Okay, here's here's a little bit of feedback. Um, 0:14:42.080 --> 0:14:45.880 there was a it was it was wild. There was 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:48.960 a guy that listened to the Boon series, and that's 0:14:48.960 --> 0:14:51.480 what we're gonna talk about on this one. This this 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:54.200 Burghers podcast is going to be on the Boone series. 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:57.080 On the Boon part one, there was a guy that said, 0:14:57.640 --> 0:15:01.760 great episode Clay, when the Sun and Nathan Boone speaks 0:15:01.760 --> 0:15:06.040 about camping on the mouth of Campaign Creek north of 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:10.640 of Point Pleasant. He said it brought legitimate cold chills. 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:13.800 He said, I had heard about that in college when 0:15:13.840 --> 0:15:16.680 I lived just a mile or two from there, and 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:20.120 I was professing it as truth and being chastised by 0:15:20.120 --> 0:15:25.920 my hunting buddies, but by golly, the old college professor 0:15:26.000 --> 0:15:29.600 that told me that was right. Basically, this guy's listening 0:15:29.600 --> 0:15:33.280 to this and we're talking about stuff that happened like 0:15:34.240 --> 0:15:37.160 two miles from where he was, which was that's a 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:41.080 guy's name was Brady. It's pretty cool. That's pretty cool, 0:15:41.160 --> 0:15:43.760 you know, to I always think about, you know, finding 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:47.600 stone points and stuff like that, to think about back 0:15:47.680 --> 0:15:50.080 a hundred or two hundred or three hundred or thousand 0:15:50.160 --> 0:15:54.160 years ago and to reminisce and imagine being you know 0:15:54.280 --> 0:15:56.600 that man standing in that place, how it would have 0:15:56.640 --> 0:15:59.040 looked different, and how you would have felt as a 0:15:59.160 --> 0:16:03.680 human interact thing with nature at that point. It's it's, it's, it's, it's. 0:16:03.800 --> 0:16:06.720 It is sobering, you know. Yeah, guy, you know two 0:16:07.560 --> 0:16:09.320 years from now is going to think the same thing 0:16:09.400 --> 0:16:17.880 when they found that STARFOLM, I wonder, Okay, scandal, it's 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:23.320 been a scandal. Yep, locally big scandal. Nope, scandal right 0:16:23.320 --> 0:16:27.760 here on the Beargrease podcast hurt. Do you all remember 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:31.760 when I take accomplices? Ye, yep, I am not for sure, 0:16:31.880 --> 0:16:38.400 except for all of you were accomplices apart from our knowledge. 0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:44.400 I think you knew you were being recorded. No, listen, 0:16:44.760 --> 0:16:47.760 this is this is legitimate. This guy named Alex So 0:16:47.880 --> 0:16:50.680 do you remember when I told the story of the 0:16:50.720 --> 0:16:55.080 game Warden at the Campfire Stories. I was talking about 0:16:55.120 --> 0:17:00.479 the Meat Eater Story audio book, which is, by the way, 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:03.600 on the New York Times best selling list of audio books, 0:17:04.359 --> 0:17:08.040 right up there with like Matthew McConaughey's Green Lights book. 0:17:08.760 --> 0:17:13.480 That's how compelling some of these stories are. McCaughey was 0:17:13.600 --> 0:17:20.680 number one. Hey McConaughey on the render. Alright, alright, no, 0:17:21.400 --> 0:17:27.280 I was waiting for that. Yeah, you know, I thank 0:17:27.320 --> 0:17:30.240 you for doing it. I was not planning to tell 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:33.560 a story from the audio book because I hadn't heard 0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:36.639 it yet. I had not heard the audio book. So 0:17:36.720 --> 0:17:40.520 I recounted the story of that game warden as I 0:17:40.600 --> 0:17:43.040 remember it being told, because it was told to me 0:17:43.920 --> 0:17:48.119 very quickly, just as somebody was like, hey, this audio book, 0:17:48.240 --> 0:17:49.760 and I said, what kind of story is he like, man, 0:17:49.800 --> 0:17:52.000 there's a story about this, a story about that. So Seth, 0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:55.320 I was advertising for this audio book, saying, hey, you 0:17:55.359 --> 0:17:57.719 got to check out Meat Eater's new audio book. And 0:17:57.760 --> 0:18:00.760 I said, there's this one story, and I tell a story. 0:18:01.080 --> 0:18:06.320 And turns out I was way off. And so this 0:18:06.359 --> 0:18:09.480 guy named Alex, he did a good job. He uh. 0:18:09.520 --> 0:18:12.359 And Alex was the tipping point, okay, because I had 0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:14.960 a couple of other people tell me say it, say like, Clay, 0:18:15.080 --> 0:18:18.880 you you butchered that story. And I didn't think much 0:18:18.920 --> 0:18:20.720 of it, you know, just kind of dang. You know, 0:18:20.840 --> 0:18:24.879 I wish you hadn't, but I didn't. And this guy, 0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:27.960 this guy, he was very polite, but he said, Clay, 0:18:28.280 --> 0:18:31.760 he said, after hearing you tell that story, and then 0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:34.479 here in the real story, he said, it kind of 0:18:34.520 --> 0:18:38.240 discredits you, because I wonder how much you embellish other 0:18:38.320 --> 0:18:42.840 stories into the quick And I responded back to it. 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:45.119 He was very nice. He said, I loved the podcast. 0:18:45.160 --> 0:18:47.720 He said, That's why I'm writing you. He said, I'm 0:18:47.760 --> 0:18:51.639 just being honest with and I did. I did, And 0:18:52.160 --> 0:18:54.720 I wrote him back and and what he thought happened 0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:57.359 was that I had heard the story and then just 0:18:57.480 --> 0:19:00.960 told it way bigger full knowing the story. And I 0:19:01.000 --> 0:19:03.040 explained to him. I was like, man, that was a mistake. 0:19:03.280 --> 0:19:06.719 I said, I'd actually never even heard the story and 0:19:06.760 --> 0:19:09.800 I recounted it. So, so what you're saying is that 0:19:09.840 --> 0:19:12.960 we need a full time fact checker. If you spend 0:19:13.119 --> 0:19:15.919 much time talking, you better have a fact checker. I'm 0:19:15.960 --> 0:19:18.920 pretty sure there's a proverb about that. Oh is there? 0:19:20.320 --> 0:19:24.760 I blame the dozer this ever since you've been on 0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:27.800 that dozer, man, and then a hum from that engine 0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:30.840 will shake some things loose. I I have a song 0:19:31.119 --> 0:19:34.200 that is the best song ever written about dozes. I'm 0:19:34.200 --> 0:19:39.919 not gonna sing. I think a lot of people that 0:19:40.000 --> 0:19:42.160 listen to that would have would have been like what 0:19:42.480 --> 0:19:47.680 because And so anyway, my deepest apologies, mistake yes, yes, 0:19:47.720 --> 0:19:50.640 and you owned up to it. Yeah, yeah, next yeah yeah. 0:19:50.880 --> 0:19:52.840 He wasn't making a big deal about it. But but 0:19:52.880 --> 0:19:55.960 when he when he said that, it reduced my credibility. 0:19:56.000 --> 0:19:58.199 That was like, yeah, I don't I don't want that, 0:19:58.240 --> 0:20:03.000 because you know, I was thinking about something there there is. 0:20:03.840 --> 0:20:06.600 I was thinking about this idea of embellishing stories. And 0:20:06.680 --> 0:20:11.199 Seth is a storyteller and a writer. I mean, you know, 0:20:12.480 --> 0:20:16.159 me and somebody else could go do something together and 0:20:16.280 --> 0:20:19.119 they come back and tell a story, and then I 0:20:19.200 --> 0:20:21.400 tell the same story and I look at the dude 0:20:21.400 --> 0:20:23.440 and it it was just like, man, we were on different 0:20:23.480 --> 0:20:25.880 planets when that happened. If that story is the way 0:20:25.920 --> 0:20:28.040 you remember it, like, there's something to be said for 0:20:28.080 --> 0:20:31.439 a good story. I mean I deeply value the truth. 0:20:31.680 --> 0:20:37.640 I mean, like always have, always will in in anyway, 0:20:37.720 --> 0:20:40.359 Sometimes people kind of want to say that somebody that 0:20:40.400 --> 0:20:43.560 tells good stories is embellishing story anyway. Well, I mean, 0:20:43.680 --> 0:20:45.639 first of all, that's a very Southern thing, right, I 0:20:45.640 --> 0:20:48.840 mean we all know Southern storytellers and Southern storytellers are 0:20:49.640 --> 0:20:53.919 just right now for embellishing a good story. But I 0:20:53.960 --> 0:20:55.879 think I mean, to your point, stories a lot of 0:20:55.880 --> 0:20:58.800 times are about perception about history, about how you interpret 0:20:58.800 --> 0:21:00.720 the world. I mean, we can all be given a 0:21:00.800 --> 0:21:03.440 set of facts, but those facts and what we make 0:21:03.480 --> 0:21:06.760 of them, what we meet. I mean, that's why lawyers 0:21:06.840 --> 0:21:10.160 exist to tell stories to juries and to take these 0:21:10.200 --> 0:21:12.520 facts and to help them interpret in ways that are 0:21:12.520 --> 0:21:16.360 favorable to their client, because everybody sees things differently. Now 0:21:16.359 --> 0:21:20.080 I'm not arguing from postmodern thought here. I'm just saying 0:21:20.160 --> 0:21:25.320 there ways to interpret stories. Man. I always said in 0:21:25.520 --> 0:21:28.320 thirty years of law enforcement, if you want two different 0:21:28.359 --> 0:21:32.720 stories to something, get two eye witnesses to the same incident, 0:21:33.720 --> 0:21:36.840 because you got folks standing right side beside each other, 0:21:37.400 --> 0:21:39.960 and they tell you the absolute honest truth as they 0:21:39.960 --> 0:21:43.400 saw it. And it it don't go it don't go together. Man, 0:21:43.680 --> 0:21:46.439 that's so wild too. And it and it applies to 0:21:47.119 --> 0:21:51.720 Boone because Boon. So much of what we know about 0:21:51.720 --> 0:21:55.399 Boon didn't come from Boon. I mean, actually very little 0:21:55.440 --> 0:21:58.600 of it did. We have accounts of Boon, like as 0:21:58.640 --> 0:22:02.280 he wrote letters like like kind of like business transactions. 0:22:02.880 --> 0:22:06.760 The one interview with Boone that actually is out there 0:22:06.880 --> 0:22:11.000 was that John Philson interview from the chapter in the book. 0:22:11.320 --> 0:22:16.520 But Philson, everybody that knew Boone said that Philson took 0:22:16.600 --> 0:22:21.240 incredible liberty and basically wrote it in this beautiful like 0:22:21.480 --> 0:22:25.119 if you read that, it's like very like it's not 0:22:25.240 --> 0:22:28.920 in Boone's voice. And so it's kind of even though 0:22:28.960 --> 0:22:34.760 Boone himself said every word of it was true, but 0:22:34.920 --> 0:22:38.199 it's not in Boone's voice. It's like it's written in 0:22:38.240 --> 0:22:41.679 a different way. But that's so all these things are 0:22:41.720 --> 0:22:44.800 second hand that we know about Boone and man, Yeah, 0:22:45.000 --> 0:22:47.760 that is actually a great example of a story just 0:22:48.320 --> 0:22:50.240 two people down. Because the guy that told me the 0:22:50.280 --> 0:22:54.000 story had heard heard the real story. He told it 0:22:54.040 --> 0:22:56.639 to me, and I'm not blaming him. He told it 0:22:56.680 --> 0:22:58.159 to me, and I mean I had no intent of 0:22:58.200 --> 0:23:03.600 remembering the story, and then one story later it's pretty 0:23:03.640 --> 0:23:06.200 different from what actually happened. Well, it's like that little 0:23:06.240 --> 0:23:09.639 telephone game you know in school, where you start the 0:23:09.640 --> 0:23:12.159 story at at this desk, and by the time he 0:23:12.200 --> 0:23:14.200 gets to the last kid in the last row, it's 0:23:14.680 --> 0:23:19.320 nothing even close. Yeah. Yeah, well that just you think 0:23:19.320 --> 0:23:22.840 about history and how hard it is to track history, 0:23:23.160 --> 0:23:26.840 especially history as deep as boon and these things. I mean, well, 0:23:26.880 --> 0:23:31.200 we appreciate his contribution to keep our podcast above board. Yes, 0:23:31.720 --> 0:23:33.960 he had a couple of other things. Oh yeah, he 0:23:34.040 --> 0:23:38.080 did good. This guy Alex, uh, we'll call him the whistleblower. 0:23:39.400 --> 0:23:42.680 He was, he was. He was getting me the whistle 0:23:42.680 --> 0:23:45.320 blow because you told everybody's name. Well, I'm not giving 0:23:45.359 --> 0:23:48.280 his last name. And this is a comment to him. 0:23:49.280 --> 0:23:51.320 Do you think of training people to send me real 0:23:51.359 --> 0:23:58.879 harsh criticism? He was, he was. He was pretty worked up. 0:23:58.920 --> 0:24:04.560 And so was I out using the word poisonous. Man, 0:24:04.840 --> 0:24:07.680 I'm the one I tell people that, and then when 0:24:07.720 --> 0:24:11.040 I make the podcast, it was I said poisonous probably 0:24:11.119 --> 0:24:15.960 six times. And and partly that was because of those 0:24:16.040 --> 0:24:19.120 These podcasts are recorded at different times. So when I'm 0:24:19.160 --> 0:24:22.240 like sitting at my desk, like doing a voiceover and 0:24:22.240 --> 0:24:24.680 I'm really intentional, I'll do it right. But if I'm 0:24:24.680 --> 0:24:26.800 out like talking to somebody, I might do it wrong. 0:24:26.840 --> 0:24:29.920 So he is very right. The correct way to describe 0:24:29.960 --> 0:24:32.000 a snake that when it bites you, it might hurt 0:24:32.000 --> 0:24:34.800 you real bad. Is venomous, not poisonous, because you know 0:24:34.880 --> 0:24:37.120 that said. I did know that because my son Isaac, 0:24:37.720 --> 0:24:41.399 who yeah, it loves the outdoors. Uh, he tells me 0:24:41.440 --> 0:24:43.159 all the time, Dad, that's not a poisonous snake. And 0:24:43.200 --> 0:24:49.879 I say to him, every snake is poisonous ay from you, like, 0:24:49.960 --> 0:24:55.600 I don't care. Um okay. Alex also had a small 0:24:55.680 --> 0:25:00.000 bone to pick with me about al hooting. Basically, he's 0:25:00.000 --> 0:25:03.640 said he's not a good al hooter, but it's because he, uh, 0:25:03.760 --> 0:25:06.480 he can't carry a tune, he says. And he just 0:25:06.520 --> 0:25:09.080 didn't think it was fair that I was casting judgment 0:25:09.560 --> 0:25:13.560 on people who couldn't al hoot. And there's two things 0:25:13.600 --> 0:25:15.440 I want to say, and I said this to him. 0:25:15.560 --> 0:25:18.480 Number One, I never said that somebody who couldn't al 0:25:18.520 --> 0:25:22.480 hoot wasn't a good outdoorsman. Emphatically said that over and 0:25:22.480 --> 0:25:25.320 over in the podcast. All I said was, if you 0:25:25.440 --> 0:25:28.400 are a good al hooter, there's a real strong probability 0:25:28.440 --> 0:25:31.240 that you're a good woodsman. That's all I said. Okay, 0:25:32.280 --> 0:25:35.080 Daniel Boone had a heck of number two. The other 0:25:35.160 --> 0:25:40.400 thing that I told him was that I basically said 0:25:40.520 --> 0:25:43.320 no comment on the al hooton thing. I just it's like, 0:25:43.960 --> 0:25:48.960 if you can't al hoot, that's your problem. Thanks Alex. 0:25:49.160 --> 0:25:51.919 That was great. That was great. Yeah, I just did 0:25:51.960 --> 0:25:55.040 a little housekeeping, that's all. You know. I meant to 0:25:55.280 --> 0:25:58.880 early on describe we've got a lot of new listeners 0:25:58.880 --> 0:26:01.919 to the render Seth, and a lot of new people 0:26:02.680 --> 0:26:07.440 don't understand what the term bear grease means. I still 0:26:07.480 --> 0:26:13.120 don't understand the whole time. So bear the name bear 0:26:13.200 --> 0:26:15.800 grease that Seth, would you know? What would you know 0:26:15.840 --> 0:26:18.119 about this about bear grease? Well, I mean, just like, 0:26:18.200 --> 0:26:20.720 why did I name my podcast bargeras well? I kind 0:26:20.720 --> 0:26:24.120 of know you, so I'm My guess is that guess 0:26:24.119 --> 0:26:26.199 I wouldn't have. My guess is that because you're a 0:26:26.200 --> 0:26:28.760 bear hunter. You've been a bear hunter for a long time, 0:26:29.119 --> 0:26:31.520 and you have preached that bears are good for all 0:26:31.600 --> 0:26:35.560 kinds of things, for eating and um, you know, you 0:26:35.720 --> 0:26:38.800 render the grease down, fat down to turn it into 0:26:38.800 --> 0:26:40.920 grease for other things. My guess would be that there's 0:26:40.960 --> 0:26:46.800 some use. Man, I expected more from a rider. Maybe 0:26:46.840 --> 0:26:55.840 you just like maybe bears you're greasy. It makes that's good. 0:26:55.880 --> 0:26:58.920 You're you're right, that's that's the surface level you've hit 0:26:58.920 --> 0:27:03.200 the surface. Bear grease is a metaphor. Okay, So bargrease 0:27:03.800 --> 0:27:07.320 was at one time a really valuable commodity, both functionally 0:27:07.480 --> 0:27:10.520 for cooking, for for all these different things. It was 0:27:10.560 --> 0:27:13.679 also used as a form of currency today, Seth Haynes, 0:27:14.000 --> 0:27:18.600 if you asked, if you pulled America and said what 0:27:18.880 --> 0:27:22.719 is bargrease, you know how many people would even have 0:27:22.760 --> 0:27:26.800 a reference point for what it is. But yet it's 0:27:27.280 --> 0:27:30.720 functional use is still very much the same. And so 0:27:30.880 --> 0:27:34.359 the the tagline of the Burghera's podcast is where we 0:27:34.480 --> 0:27:39.800 explore things forgotten but relevant, search for insight in unlikely places, 0:27:40.200 --> 0:27:42.959 and tell the story of Americans who live their lives 0:27:43.000 --> 0:27:46.840 close to the land. And so bear grease. Also, Seth, 0:27:46.960 --> 0:27:50.240 if you will notice this holding the jar burg rease 0:27:50.359 --> 0:27:53.160 in my hands, folks, and there is about a two 0:27:53.200 --> 0:27:57.360 inch band of amber clear liquid and then below that 0:27:57.520 --> 0:28:02.840 is a solid white lick. Would this is bear grease 0:28:02.920 --> 0:28:08.680 that has separated and at that separation point, Um, many people, 0:28:08.720 --> 0:28:12.920 including Native Americans, have used that to forecast the weather 0:28:13.920 --> 0:28:17.840 because it moves with barometric pressure and it's highly nuanced. 0:28:17.960 --> 0:28:21.199 I mean, I'm not saying that I really can, but 0:28:21.320 --> 0:28:26.280 it does change about every day. There's my chart right there. 0:28:26.280 --> 0:28:28.600 I'm gonna get you on a chart. Um, bear grease 0:28:28.720 --> 0:28:32.440 weather forecasting charge so insight and unlikely places. So bear 0:28:32.480 --> 0:28:35.080 grease is a metaphor. Okay, So that's I just want 0:28:35.119 --> 0:28:37.960 to say that because we're getting new listeners. Bear grease 0:28:38.040 --> 0:28:40.600 is a metaphor for things forgotten but relevant. That's why 0:28:40.600 --> 0:28:44.000 I interviewed Roy Clark, That's why I interviewed James Lawrence. 0:28:44.200 --> 0:28:46.920 That's why we're talking about Daniel Boone. We're looking for 0:28:47.000 --> 0:28:50.320 insight and unlikely places. That's why we're talking about how 0:28:51.240 --> 0:28:55.400 snakes and this innate fear of us of snakes and 0:28:55.440 --> 0:28:57.840 our mothers telling us not to do it is this 0:28:57.960 --> 0:29:03.560 like bigger picture of of of how human relationships are 0:29:03.600 --> 0:29:06.280 supposed to work. Don't pick up that snake and you 0:29:06.280 --> 0:29:08.720 believe her because the snakes are scary, and you do 0:29:08.760 --> 0:29:11.120 what she says and you trust her. Um, you know. 0:29:11.200 --> 0:29:14.880 It's this bigger, bigger picture insight. So that is and 0:29:14.920 --> 0:29:18.160 then this is the bear grease render, which is where 0:29:18.160 --> 0:29:21.840 we so the act of taking solid bear fat like 0:29:22.000 --> 0:29:25.520 raw bear fat, off of a freshly harvested bear, melting 0:29:25.600 --> 0:29:29.080 it down into a liquid oil. It's called rendering. How 0:29:29.080 --> 0:29:31.080 long does the render actually take? In your life? When 0:29:31.080 --> 0:29:34.400 you're rendering bear grease? You can render bear fat very quickly, 0:29:34.600 --> 0:29:38.920 like nine minutes. Really, yeah? Yeah, It is all depended 0:29:39.000 --> 0:29:42.719 upon temperature. Okay, give me the ten second process. How 0:29:42.800 --> 0:29:45.320 you do it? You just okay, there's the way. The 0:29:45.360 --> 0:29:48.040 best practice. I'm not even gonna give you best practice. 0:29:48.280 --> 0:29:51.000 You take us a filet of white bear fat, which 0:29:51.000 --> 0:29:54.120 it'll be on a fall bear, I mean could have 0:29:54.600 --> 0:29:57.880 a lot of fat, cube it up into one inch cubes, 0:29:58.000 --> 0:30:00.800 put it in a frying pan, a fry daddy, any 0:30:00.880 --> 0:30:08.760 kind of source of heat. For I never rendered, it's 0:30:10.320 --> 0:30:15.880 never rendered George's fat. Nope, never rendered fat into George. 0:30:16.880 --> 0:30:20.040 And and basically it just melts down. And you'll have 0:30:20.080 --> 0:30:23.280 about of it that does not melt down, that stays 0:30:23.400 --> 0:30:25.440 is what we call a crackling. But the other eight 0:30:25.600 --> 0:30:27.600 percent will turn in the liquid. The best way to 0:30:27.640 --> 0:30:30.560 do it is to grind it. Grind it and you 0:30:30.640 --> 0:30:33.800 have you get almost uh Colby, why do we say 0:30:33.840 --> 0:30:37.720 Colby is my bear? Rendering you get about an if 0:30:37.720 --> 0:30:40.280 you if you cube it, you get about an eight 0:30:40.440 --> 0:30:44.200 percent return. If you grind it up, you get about 0:30:44.960 --> 0:30:48.120 probably ninety five percent return. And slow seems to be 0:30:48.120 --> 0:30:49.880 better too from what I hear. You like and the 0:30:50.240 --> 0:30:52.960 the color of it comes out different depending on how 0:30:52.960 --> 0:30:55.240 fast you cook it. Yeah, if you if you cook it, 0:30:55.360 --> 0:30:57.120 if you cook it hot it'll be darker. If you 0:30:57.160 --> 0:31:00.680 cook it really on low heat like two twenty five, 0:31:01.400 --> 0:31:04.600 it'll be uh, it'll be much more solid. It'll it'll 0:31:04.640 --> 0:31:08.120 be lighter. I'm telling you that low even heat of 0:31:08.160 --> 0:31:16.720 a George Foreman. Boys, and George Foreman grils happen to 0:31:16.760 --> 0:31:20.400 be one of our partners. We want to thank a 0:31:20.480 --> 0:31:26.800 caterpillar man. Guys, I'm serious, man, I've got a song. 0:31:27.200 --> 0:31:32.400 Oh yeah, hey, um could could Burghers like the Render 0:31:32.400 --> 0:31:34.960 also be chewing the fat? And it could have been? 0:31:35.240 --> 0:31:40.040 Because that's another way to rent it. We should have 0:31:40.040 --> 0:31:41.880 had you on the marketing team when there was a 0:31:41.960 --> 0:31:45.720 movie and made a Northwest Passage Spencer Tracy. You ever 0:31:45.760 --> 0:31:52.000 seen that movie? It's old man, it's like and Walter 0:31:52.120 --> 0:31:55.080 Brennan is in that and the guy that played Dr 0:31:55.160 --> 0:31:59.600 Welby and that show, Marcus Wellby. He also sold coffees 0:32:00.280 --> 0:32:07.160 Mr Coffee Anyway, another another use for bagaras Walter Brennan. 0:32:07.880 --> 0:32:14.080 Y'all know who Walter Brennon. We're not seventy okay, all right? Well, 0:32:14.240 --> 0:32:16.920 to the folks out there that are in my age group, 0:32:16.960 --> 0:32:19.880 which is fifty five and up, I would say is 0:32:20.080 --> 0:32:24.360 uh he said that he told Robert Young, that was 0:32:24.400 --> 0:32:27.520 the actor's name, Robert Young, Intendant says, man, what we're 0:32:27.520 --> 0:32:30.560 gonna do about all these mosquitoes? And Walter brann said, ranched, 0:32:30.760 --> 0:32:33.600 big Grease, Ranch, big Grease should put it on your arms, 0:32:33.800 --> 0:32:38.240 and he keeps you all the mosquitoes away. That's Walter 0:32:38.320 --> 0:32:42.360 Brennan in selling. I need you to come up with 0:32:42.400 --> 0:32:46.840 a list of everything pre advant Costello I need to watch. Okay, 0:32:46.880 --> 0:32:49.120 I'll make you a list. That was a pretty good impression. 0:32:49.160 --> 0:32:51.440 Then we all know who you're talking about now that 0:32:51.480 --> 0:32:56.080 you know. Yeah, hey, speaking of what did y'all think 0:32:56.080 --> 0:33:00.040 about Josh being able to remember that Boon song? I 0:33:00.080 --> 0:33:04.040 mean that was pretty impressive, right, yeah, yeah, Okay, what 0:33:04.200 --> 0:33:07.960 y'all don't know yet is Josh is uh well, he's 0:33:08.000 --> 0:33:10.960 played before on the on the Barrigaryship a little bit, 0:33:11.120 --> 0:33:15.600 a little a little bit. But okay, this is the 0:33:15.720 --> 0:33:19.720 this is the segue into us talking about the Boon podcast. 0:33:20.080 --> 0:33:23.200 Josh has a little song for us, a little something 0:33:23.200 --> 0:33:27.400 out of the archives. Yeah, okay, here we go here. 0:33:40.000 --> 0:33:45.600 Daniel Boone was a man, yes, a big man were then, 0:33:45.720 --> 0:33:48.160 not like an eagle and as tall as a mountain. 0:33:48.320 --> 0:33:54.080 Was he that's right. Daniel Boone was a man, yes, 0:33:54.160 --> 0:33:58.400 a big man. He was bravey, He was foodless and 0:33:58.480 --> 0:34:02.760 as tough as a mighty tree. Seeing it brother from 0:34:02.800 --> 0:34:05.560 the coonskin cap on the top of old and to 0:34:05.680 --> 0:34:09.720 the heel of his raw jew the ripping, this roaring, 0:34:09.800 --> 0:34:17.080 his fightingness man the frontier rebonue. Daniel Boone was a man, yes, 0:34:17.120 --> 0:34:21.839 a begg man, and he fought for America to make 0:34:21.920 --> 0:34:27.520 all Americans free. What a boon? Was a great sam 0:34:27.640 --> 0:34:34.279 coming true? Was he? Daniel Boone was a man, yes, 0:34:34.320 --> 0:34:38.520 a beg man with a whoop and a holler. He 0:34:38.560 --> 0:34:42.680 can move down the forest of tree. That's right, with 0:34:42.880 --> 0:34:45.719 a knife and a gun. He never did fail. There 0:34:45.800 --> 0:34:49.040 was nothing for the bread, not team the lamb relays, 0:34:49.120 --> 0:34:54.960 a big white liberty till Histories Hall of Fame. Daniel 0:34:55.040 --> 0:35:00.120 Boone was a man, yes, a be man. Will the 0:35:00.239 --> 0:35:05.600 dream Mama country that would always forever be free? What 0:35:05.760 --> 0:35:08.279 a boone want to do? I want to dream coming true? 0:35:09.760 --> 0:35:13.040 That's right? What a boone want to do? What a 0:35:13.160 --> 0:35:25.000 dream coming true? Was he? That is he's no washboard player, 0:35:25.040 --> 0:35:28.320 but pretty good. Oh man, that was awesome. That was awesome, 0:35:36.520 --> 0:35:41.840 So perfect, perfect segue into Yeah, when Josh sank so 0:35:42.120 --> 0:35:45.200 on the first of the podcast, when Josh sang that song, 0:35:45.440 --> 0:35:47.600 there were two things. It says Daniel Boone was a 0:35:48.200 --> 0:35:52.320 was his man, a big man, big, and Daniel Boone 0:35:52.320 --> 0:35:55.160 was five ft eight and way a hundred and seventy. Well, 0:35:55.200 --> 0:35:58.840 fess Parker wasn't best. Parker was about six three and 0:35:59.280 --> 0:36:01.359 he was a big he was a big man. Yeah, 0:36:01.480 --> 0:36:07.759 he also wasn't Daniel Boone. And then uh, it says 0:36:07.800 --> 0:36:10.040 that Daniel Boone wore a coonskin cap, which that was 0:36:10.120 --> 0:36:14.560 just like total Hollywood come from the well Davy Crockett, 0:36:15.040 --> 0:36:18.759 as I understand it, as I understand it, did Fest 0:36:18.800 --> 0:36:24.800 Parker played Davy Crockett too, No wonder so the same 0:36:24.840 --> 0:36:28.680 Hollywood actor played Davy Crockett and Daniel Boone, the real 0:36:28.760 --> 0:36:31.400 Davy Crockett. I think war a coon skin cap, Alex, 0:36:31.480 --> 0:36:36.200 let me know if I'm wrong. And uh, and and 0:36:36.239 --> 0:36:38.759 then so when Hollywood got ahold of Daniel Boone, I mean, 0:36:38.760 --> 0:36:40.920 of course he's gonna wear a coonskin cap. Are you 0:36:41.120 --> 0:36:45.640 saying that we cannot trust Hollywood? I've never said it, Dan, 0:36:46.360 --> 0:36:51.400 because my whole life is based on life. Well that 0:36:51.400 --> 0:36:53.920 that is so great because this this part one of 0:36:53.960 --> 0:36:58.480 the series is kind of debunking some of the the 0:36:58.520 --> 0:37:02.359 myth and presenting that did to the people that there 0:37:02.560 --> 0:37:06.560 is a lot of Boone's life that is mythologized and 0:37:06.760 --> 0:37:09.719 is there's there's lots of stories like you read this 0:37:09.760 --> 0:37:14.840 Boon biography Robert Morgan, and he he every single story 0:37:15.440 --> 0:37:19.399 there they you know, he tells all the facts and 0:37:19.440 --> 0:37:22.960 all the potential reasons why it's true, and you know, 0:37:22.960 --> 0:37:27.120 he kind of leaves some room for this probably may 0:37:27.200 --> 0:37:29.480 not have happened, or it may have, but there's a 0:37:29.520 --> 0:37:33.480 whole lot of that, And um, what's so interesting in 0:37:33.600 --> 0:37:36.759 Robert Morgan, I feel like he's kind of the main 0:37:36.920 --> 0:37:40.360 one that introduced this idea though to the world, which 0:37:40.960 --> 0:37:42.839 is introduced it to us and we say it now 0:37:42.880 --> 0:37:47.160 like it's fact, is that the real Boon was way 0:37:47.200 --> 0:37:49.600 cooler than the myth of Boon. I mean, he's one 0:37:49.640 --> 0:37:53.360 of these guys that didn't need fancy stories told about him, 0:37:53.400 --> 0:37:56.560 because when you really see what he did and who 0:37:56.600 --> 0:38:01.160 he was, it's pretty wild, you know. But the closest 0:38:01.160 --> 0:38:06.600 modern representation I have of Daniel Boone is Brent Reeves. 0:38:08.560 --> 0:38:11.759 He would wear he would wear overalls, there's no doubt. 0:38:11.920 --> 0:38:15.680 Well definitely. Well what here's what I got out of that, 0:38:16.160 --> 0:38:18.480 especially like when you talk about Mr Morgan's book and 0:38:18.560 --> 0:38:25.000 I read that the the Daniel Boone that people fictitiously 0:38:25.040 --> 0:38:30.600 wrote about was girl Stacker every day living. What do 0:38:30.600 --> 0:38:34.319 you mean he he lived the life that Girl Stacker lived, 0:38:34.320 --> 0:38:40.359 the life that people fantasized Daniel Boone did. But who 0:38:40.400 --> 0:38:42.239 was I think Steven Nellis said, you know he would. 0:38:42.239 --> 0:38:44.799 They wouldn't the only folks doing that though. You know 0:38:46.120 --> 0:38:49.480 they talked about dressed in buckskins and you know, well, 0:38:49.640 --> 0:38:52.960 Daniel Boone dressed in in buckskins was so did his plumber. 0:38:53.480 --> 0:39:01.239 So the guy throw everybody. But it's took me that 0:39:02.680 --> 0:39:04.719 the majority of the things that were written about were 0:39:04.719 --> 0:39:07.560 about Daniel Boone. They were written about him later on 0:39:07.640 --> 0:39:10.239 in life, when Gerstacker was writing letters home and the 0:39:10.239 --> 0:39:13.440 stuff we get from him was written by him. And 0:39:13.520 --> 0:39:15.960 yet everybody has heard of Daniel Boone, but nobody's ever 0:39:16.000 --> 0:39:20.320 heard of Gerstacker, and Gerstacker has a stack of facts 0:39:20.320 --> 0:39:22.520 to back up the stuff that he did. Yeah, yeah, 0:39:22.560 --> 0:39:25.000 that was It was very interesting too. If you think 0:39:25.239 --> 0:39:28.200 about Gerstalker, which was from our episode four death of 0:39:28.239 --> 0:39:30.200 a bear Hunter, a guy that was here in Arkansas. 0:39:30.239 --> 0:39:34.040 Seth is that Gerstalker probably came to America, and this 0:39:34.080 --> 0:39:38.400 is total speculation. He probably came to America because of Boone, 0:39:39.480 --> 0:39:42.439 like he came in the eighteen thirties, seventeen years after 0:39:42.920 --> 0:39:47.160 Dan's death, and by that time Dan was famous in Europe, 0:39:47.840 --> 0:39:50.560 big time famous, and so people would have heard of 0:39:50.600 --> 0:39:55.239 the Frontier and Daniel Boone and basically Gerstalker came and 0:39:55.280 --> 0:39:58.640 he never said it, but they all did. They wanted 0:39:58.640 --> 0:40:00.960 to be like Daniel Boone's shows you. That shows you 0:40:01.000 --> 0:40:03.839 the power of an inspirational myth. I mean, if you're 0:40:03.840 --> 0:40:05.640 saying that all of this and much of this is 0:40:05.719 --> 0:40:08.759 based in mythology of lore of Daniel Boone, and then 0:40:08.800 --> 0:40:11.319 people say like, I wanna, I wanna be like that, 0:40:11.360 --> 0:40:12.920 I want to do I mean, it shows you the 0:40:12.920 --> 0:40:15.240 inspirational power of myth. And that's the thing that's gone 0:40:15.760 --> 0:40:19.160 from tim and memorial. People look for these great, big 0:40:19.239 --> 0:40:22.560 myths to follow, and Boone's in that line. He's the myth. 0:40:22.920 --> 0:40:26.120 Yeah yeah, and if he was one of the most 0:40:26.200 --> 0:40:30.080 talked about and written about, especially all over the world. 0:40:30.160 --> 0:40:33.560 Who it's a good fact that are a good chance 0:40:33.600 --> 0:40:37.960 if that's who he was trying to emulate. Yeah, yeah, 0:40:38.080 --> 0:40:40.960 and and and you know Boone was the real deal. 0:40:41.040 --> 0:40:43.120 I don't. I don't think you're saying that Boone was 0:40:44.040 --> 0:40:47.560 he was? Yeah, Dan, what was your what was Did 0:40:47.600 --> 0:40:49.320 you know much about Boone? If I had stuck the 0:40:49.360 --> 0:40:51.600 microphone in your face and said, who was Daniel Boone? 0:40:51.760 --> 0:40:54.760 Know what was interesting for me is I had watched 0:40:54.880 --> 0:41:01.799 Actually a UM Who Made American Friends the other day 0:41:02.040 --> 0:41:05.840 and I was honestly kind of unimpressed with the amount 0:41:05.840 --> 0:41:09.120 of detail they gave. Well, I did because this is 0:41:09.160 --> 0:41:11.480 the first however many years. This is kind of the 0:41:11.480 --> 0:41:13.839 first chapter of Daniel's life. Is what you covered in 0:41:13.840 --> 0:41:17.440 this first podcast? And that show, from what I remember, 0:41:17.560 --> 0:41:20.480 kind of covered the middle to the tail in so 0:41:20.560 --> 0:41:22.879 I didn't know any of of this stuff for these 0:41:22.960 --> 0:41:26.839 dynamics UM. So it was it was really interesting. Any 0:41:26.880 --> 0:41:29.040 any of it stand out to you is cool. Like 0:41:29.719 --> 0:41:32.279 for an example, when I read this book years ago 0:41:32.400 --> 0:41:35.560 with no never thought I'd be making a Boon podcast. 0:41:35.640 --> 0:41:37.560 I mean, I was just reading it totally out of interest. 0:41:38.239 --> 0:41:42.920 I remembered probably three stories from this book that that 0:41:43.000 --> 0:41:45.319 I just probably would have never forgotten my whole life, 0:41:45.320 --> 0:41:48.920 and one of them was Boone's potentially illegitimate daughter. Like 0:41:49.040 --> 0:41:52.799 when I talked about Daniel Boone. Now I've done a 0:41:52.800 --> 0:41:55.200 ton of research since then, but before, like if I 0:41:55.320 --> 0:41:57.840 just met you on the street randomly, if I walked 0:41:57.840 --> 0:42:00.440 across your yard and met you and your y'all art Dan, 0:42:01.040 --> 0:42:04.560 I'd be like, hey, Daniel Boone guy, and I would 0:42:04.560 --> 0:42:06.360 have said, did you know that he went on a 0:42:06.400 --> 0:42:09.040 hunting trip one time? For two years? But that story 0:42:09.080 --> 0:42:15.160 have been embellished, That's the big question. Told the story correctly? Yeah, Yeah, 0:42:15.239 --> 0:42:17.440 that would have been nice. If no, I'm just I'm 0:42:17.480 --> 0:42:20.120 saying there there that stories to that? What stories stood 0:42:20.120 --> 0:42:23.680 that to you? You know, um, cultural kind of anthropology 0:42:23.760 --> 0:42:25.560 is my background. So what stood out to me was 0:42:25.640 --> 0:42:29.839 when the Robert Morgan who who wrote that book, when 0:42:29.880 --> 0:42:32.920 he talked about the culture of the Indians and if 0:42:32.960 --> 0:42:35.719 you of of of Native American people and if you 0:42:35.760 --> 0:42:39.040 were going to dwell with them, there was an expectation 0:42:39.840 --> 0:42:44.160 that you would dwell in a tent and and probably 0:42:44.200 --> 0:42:47.759 have relations with a with one of their women. That 0:42:47.840 --> 0:42:51.399 was just kind of that was very eye opening to me. 0:42:51.480 --> 0:42:53.760 And if and if Daniel was a man who seemed 0:42:53.800 --> 0:42:59.160 adept at understanding culture and interri into groups. So but 0:42:59.360 --> 0:43:02.279 it creates mentioned in me because I want him to 0:43:02.360 --> 0:43:04.960 be kind of going off what Seth has been saying, 0:43:05.000 --> 0:43:07.880 there's this person that I want him to be, and 0:43:07.960 --> 0:43:10.960 it's not just a frontiersman who you know, conquered and 0:43:11.000 --> 0:43:14.080 defended America, but it's a man of integrity. I mean, 0:43:14.080 --> 0:43:16.960 you're taught. You spend so much time kind of addressing 0:43:17.239 --> 0:43:20.960 these valid concerns that Alex you know, had, and part 0:43:20.960 --> 0:43:24.000 of that is because integrity is important, you know. And 0:43:24.040 --> 0:43:27.640 so when I Daniel Boone fits an archetype for me 0:43:28.239 --> 0:43:30.600 that I want to emulate and be in some ways, 0:43:30.880 --> 0:43:33.440 I want him to be a man of integrity. Part 0:43:33.440 --> 0:43:36.040 of that to me means being faithful to my wife, 0:43:36.560 --> 0:43:39.920 and so it does. But as a cultural that just 0:43:39.960 --> 0:43:41.920 the way I would have said. Man, when Robert brings 0:43:41.920 --> 0:43:45.120 that up, it's like, oh my goodness, like he could 0:43:45.160 --> 0:43:52.520 have actually just been when I thought, I know, the 0:43:52.600 --> 0:43:57.320 look on his face like fighting words. Well, listen, what's 0:43:57.320 --> 0:44:02.200 wild is that there's accounts. Okay, one time Boone, when 0:44:02.239 --> 0:44:06.200 he was at his home with Rebecca, the neighbor's husband 0:44:06.760 --> 0:44:10.919 had gone off somewhere and they were they they ran 0:44:10.920 --> 0:44:14.520 out of food, and there's a story of Boone going 0:44:14.560 --> 0:44:17.760 to their house and giving him food. When the man 0:44:17.800 --> 0:44:22.520 comes home, the woman says, Daniel Boone came by. He 0:44:22.560 --> 0:44:26.840 gave us some food. And the man comes and confronts 0:44:26.880 --> 0:44:29.120 Daniel Boone. And this is a story that we believe 0:44:29.200 --> 0:44:32.720 to be true. And and Dan, and the guy basically 0:44:32.760 --> 0:44:36.080 accuses Dan of flirting with his wife. Dan will have 0:44:36.320 --> 0:44:40.239 no part of it and whips him. I mean, like Dan, 0:44:40.440 --> 0:44:43.600 Dan Boone would fistfight you as about as quick as 0:44:43.640 --> 0:44:45.440 I mean he was. He wasn't hot tempered, he was 0:44:45.600 --> 0:44:48.480 he was a Quaker, but there are multiple accounts of 0:44:48.560 --> 0:44:52.040 him just flat whooping somebody. And he whooped his neighbor 0:44:52.239 --> 0:44:57.839 who accused him of flirting with his wife and friends. 0:44:58.080 --> 0:45:00.759 You feel like I know the guy, man, I don't know. 0:45:03.120 --> 0:45:18.759 He no, you know. That's a great point that and yeah, 0:45:18.880 --> 0:45:21.839 and there it's not we don't know that Boone had 0:45:21.880 --> 0:45:25.800 a He could add too. He lived with the Shawnees, 0:45:25.800 --> 0:45:29.120 And we'll get into this probably in episode two. Maybe 0:45:29.200 --> 0:45:31.359 we may go further than two episodes. I don't know, 0:45:31.960 --> 0:45:35.640 but he he lived with a Shawnee and was actually 0:45:35.680 --> 0:45:40.040 adopted as a Shawnee Indian for four He lived with 0:45:40.120 --> 0:45:44.200 him for four months, and Shawnee's visited him in Missouri 0:45:44.320 --> 0:45:46.239 when he was an old man, like he had like 0:45:46.400 --> 0:45:49.239 real friendship with these people. You got to take into 0:45:49.239 --> 0:45:53.080 account to that. You know that it wasn't a situation 0:45:53.120 --> 0:45:55.520 of when in Rome do as the Romans due. He 0:45:55.600 --> 0:46:00.000 was in a situation where where that was the culture. Yeah, 0:46:00.080 --> 0:46:03.040 if if any of that was true, he was having 0:46:03.080 --> 0:46:05.040 to live every day. You know, these folks wasn't getting 0:46:05.120 --> 0:46:06.560 up and worrying about what they were going to do 0:46:06.680 --> 0:46:09.560 next week. They were worrying about how are we going 0:46:09.600 --> 0:46:13.040 to make it through today and tonight and then tomorrow. 0:46:13.520 --> 0:46:17.720 And if he's got to go along with whatever culture 0:46:17.800 --> 0:46:21.799 is there, I mean, let's see, that's a problem though. Yeah, 0:46:21.960 --> 0:46:24.480 that's a problem. It's a big problem. I mean, I mean, 0:46:24.760 --> 0:46:27.960 and and I'm and you can make bold declarations on 0:46:28.000 --> 0:46:30.719 this side of history. When that doesn't I will never 0:46:30.840 --> 0:46:33.880 in my life be in this situation. I would have 0:46:33.920 --> 0:46:36.280 just said go ahead and kill me. Boys. My value 0:46:36.320 --> 0:46:39.160 system is more important than that. I mean, I'm being honest. 0:46:39.800 --> 0:46:42.280 I think I would say that. Now I realized that 0:46:43.320 --> 0:46:46.480 it's real easy to be like bold and have this valor, 0:46:47.040 --> 0:46:49.880 but like, that's that's what I would want to say. 0:46:50.120 --> 0:46:53.520 You would too, Dan, absolutely, But then you you you 0:46:53.560 --> 0:46:57.759 have to ask yourself is that armchair valor? And yeah, 0:46:57.880 --> 0:46:59.600 you know, and I had I felt like I had 0:46:59.680 --> 0:47:02.319 to say just because it's like, because if we say, well, 0:47:02.360 --> 0:47:04.000 if you're in this culture and you just do what 0:47:04.080 --> 0:47:07.640 that culture does, then you just have this really loose 0:47:07.719 --> 0:47:11.719 value system. It's not necessarily a valid reason, or it's 0:47:11.719 --> 0:47:14.439 not a valid reason at all. But you just gotta 0:47:14.480 --> 0:47:16.600 put yourself in that or you can't put you you 0:47:16.640 --> 0:47:19.400 can't put yourself in that spot. You can't put yourself 0:47:19.440 --> 0:47:27.960 in as you call him, Dan's spot, because maybe they 0:47:28.000 --> 0:47:31.040 wouldn't have killed him. I mean, like the worst case 0:47:31.080 --> 0:47:34.720 scenario in that situation is they would have been like okay, 0:47:34.800 --> 0:47:36.279 I mean they would have found a reason to have 0:47:36.360 --> 0:47:41.520 killed you, which is very probable. Um, But anyway, I'm 0:47:41.640 --> 0:47:46.000 I'm I'm not suggesting that anybody who wouldn't, you know, 0:47:46.960 --> 0:47:50.200 partake of that would have been immediately killed. It wasn't 0:47:50.239 --> 0:47:54.160 like that, but it was if you valued your life, 0:47:54.160 --> 0:47:56.799 you stayed on their good side, if you were their 0:47:56.840 --> 0:48:00.640 captive and I think there's two. You got a group 0:48:00.680 --> 0:48:04.360 of people who you know there, it's in all likelihood 0:48:04.360 --> 0:48:08.680 it's gonna they're they're forming identity in in terms of interdependence. 0:48:08.719 --> 0:48:13.200 And so you've got insiders and outsiders, and that's discerned 0:48:13.200 --> 0:48:17.719 by very practical, tangible behaviors. If you're an insider, you 0:48:17.840 --> 0:48:20.560 do like we do, and and and and and Mr 0:48:20.600 --> 0:48:22.799 Morgan said, you know, if if you didn't engage in 0:48:22.840 --> 0:48:25.440 that kind of activity as a guest, it was like, 0:48:25.480 --> 0:48:28.919 you're too good for us. You're an outsider. And so 0:48:29.680 --> 0:48:32.360 it it does make you think. I mean, it was 0:48:32.400 --> 0:48:35.359 in a cop that's a complex. It is for real, 0:48:36.200 --> 0:48:41.280 um man. I don't want to gloss over that. Robert Morgan, 0:48:42.080 --> 0:48:45.400 both of my guests on this podcast. I was explaining 0:48:45.440 --> 0:48:47.640 this to somebody, and I was like, if you were 0:48:48.120 --> 0:48:51.560 just think of the biggest media company in America, if 0:48:51.600 --> 0:48:55.719 you were X, and they said we're commissioning you to 0:48:55.920 --> 0:48:59.600 get the top. You know, Boon and I'm not saying 0:48:59.600 --> 0:49:01.640 that are the s Boone expert. There's a lot of Boone. 0:49:01.800 --> 0:49:05.360 There's lots of Boone experts in Kentucky. There's Boon experts 0:49:05.400 --> 0:49:08.200 all over. So they're not the only ones. But you 0:49:08.280 --> 0:49:13.360 couldn't have picked better guys than Robert Morgan. Robert Morgan's 0:49:13.360 --> 0:49:16.040 in his mid seventies. And I'll tell you a story. 0:49:16.080 --> 0:49:18.759 We were unsure if he was I said this on 0:49:18.800 --> 0:49:22.800 the podcast. We were unsure, like if he was active 0:49:23.440 --> 0:49:26.399 at all. And anyway, I looked on it. I've looked 0:49:26.440 --> 0:49:29.000 him up. He had a website. Emailed him and within 0:49:29.120 --> 0:49:31.680 hours he was like, please come to my house. And 0:49:31.840 --> 0:49:35.000 this is a He's an incredible guy, very humble, like 0:49:35.120 --> 0:49:37.960 he's a professor at Cornell University. And I would have 0:49:38.080 --> 0:49:43.320 only known Cornell just kind of through the office. And Andy, 0:49:43.760 --> 0:49:49.479 Andy is a graduate of Cornell. Did you if Andy 0:49:49.520 --> 0:49:52.520 was in his class? And he probably gave you a 0:49:52.520 --> 0:49:56.840 blank st He was very humble, and he's from Appalachia, 0:49:56.880 --> 0:49:58.960 He's from North Carolina. But it was like such a 0:49:58.960 --> 0:50:01.319 great honor to sit with Morgan. What a great guy. 0:50:01.520 --> 0:50:03.520 And then I mean, it was awesome to talk with 0:50:03.560 --> 0:50:07.160 Steve about Boone. But I mean Steve is he's engaging 0:50:07.200 --> 0:50:10.360 to talk with and he knows so much about Boone 0:50:10.480 --> 0:50:13.520 and more than he knows the facts about Boone, like 0:50:13.880 --> 0:50:17.400 Steve was able to put Boone in context so well 0:50:17.640 --> 0:50:21.279 you know, um and uh so Morgan you know, kind 0:50:21.280 --> 0:50:23.400 of had the details and could just walk through his 0:50:23.480 --> 0:50:26.799 life without any you know, he wrote this years ago. 0:50:27.280 --> 0:50:31.600 And uh, anyway, Nigua Seth, what did you think? Well, 0:50:31.600 --> 0:50:33.240 first of all, I don't know as much about Daniel 0:50:33.239 --> 0:50:35.600 Boone as you are probably anybody here. So it was 0:50:35.640 --> 0:50:37.400 fascinating to me when you wanted to talk to me 0:50:37.440 --> 0:50:40.319 about archetypes because at that whole boy, I'm not gonna 0:50:40.320 --> 0:50:43.080 have anything to add about Daniel Boone. But I tell 0:50:43.120 --> 0:50:45.319 you what was fascinating to me about the art, the 0:50:45.360 --> 0:50:50.439 podcast and the discussion of archetypes, uh, was how you 0:50:50.560 --> 0:50:54.800 used archetypes to tell to make connections, to tell stories 0:50:54.840 --> 0:50:57.800 about who Boon was. And so it helped me understand 0:50:57.840 --> 0:50:59.919 the myth. And I think I've actually texted you about 0:50:59.920 --> 0:51:02.040 the a little bit. When you, you you know, use the 0:51:02.080 --> 0:51:04.520 example of of Jesus going to the temple and his 0:51:04.600 --> 0:51:08.279 parents going and looking for him, and when you talked 0:51:08.320 --> 0:51:11.880 about and that was that was an excerpt from Morgan's book. Okay, 0:51:11.960 --> 0:51:14.120 all right? And then what who was it? That was 0:51:14.160 --> 0:51:17.920 it Morgan that talked about Moses's vision? Yeah? All that 0:51:18.040 --> 0:51:21.480 all that was in in in Morgan's book, it's unbelievable. 0:51:21.600 --> 0:51:24.200 So so you look at at Boone and you say, oh, 0:51:24.280 --> 0:51:28.000 this is why he's so identifiable, because he he sort 0:51:28.040 --> 0:51:31.520 of matches up with all these stories. We know, all 0:51:31.560 --> 0:51:34.920 these stories that seem to recur through. I'm gonna I'm 0:51:34.920 --> 0:51:37.560 gonna go real highbrow here, and I am going to 0:51:37.800 --> 0:51:40.960 quote some science fiction because I know that there's a 0:51:40.960 --> 0:51:43.600 lot of crossover. I'm sure with your audience and science 0:51:43.600 --> 0:51:48.080 fiction folks, maybe maybe there's a lot o Black Panthers 0:51:48.200 --> 0:51:55.000 considered science fiction. But there's this old there's this old 0:51:56.000 --> 0:51:58.759 sci fi television show I love called Battlestar Galactica came 0:51:58.760 --> 0:52:02.480 out in two thousand, and they say, over and over again, Uh, 0:52:02.640 --> 0:52:06.080 everything that has happened will happen again. And what they're 0:52:06.160 --> 0:52:09.880 is saying, in the storytelling way is all these stories 0:52:09.880 --> 0:52:13.080 that we see, they recur over and over and over again, 0:52:13.160 --> 0:52:19.200 the story of creation, fall, you know, rebellion, uh, and rebirth, 0:52:19.719 --> 0:52:21.799 and they happen over and over again. And I think 0:52:21.840 --> 0:52:24.319 that's what was so powerful to me about thinking of 0:52:24.320 --> 0:52:27.640 of Daniel Boon through an archetypal lens, was that, oh, yeah, 0:52:27.840 --> 0:52:30.160 like that makes sense because I know that story or 0:52:30.200 --> 0:52:32.000 I know that story, or I know that story. I 0:52:32.000 --> 0:52:36.360 can place him, um, you know, as a character because 0:52:36.400 --> 0:52:39.840 I understand all these other stories, all these other characters 0:52:39.840 --> 0:52:43.919 that have existed before. Then tell us about the the cat, 0:52:44.920 --> 0:52:47.920 the cat, cat, the cat, the cat story that saved 0:52:47.920 --> 0:52:51.279 the Cat. Oh yeah, so there's this, Uh, I can't 0:52:51.280 --> 0:52:54.520 remember the know you brought up cats on the last one. Guys, 0:52:54.719 --> 0:52:58.600 I'm somewhat of a cat fanatic cucumber. Go ahead, No, 0:52:58.800 --> 0:53:01.799 it ties into seth archetype. So there's a wonderful book 0:53:01.840 --> 0:53:03.719 out there. It's called Save the Cat, and I think 0:53:03.719 --> 0:53:06.600 of the subtitles like for novels or something. Save the 0:53:06.640 --> 0:53:10.400 Cat writes a novel and it's basically um. The author 0:53:10.440 --> 0:53:12.799 I can't remember her name, but what she does she 0:53:12.840 --> 0:53:19.080 goes through all several different genres of very popular UM novels, 0:53:19.120 --> 0:53:21.160 and they've a lot have been made into movies. And 0:53:21.520 --> 0:53:25.360 so the story arcs, she would say, there's some similar 0:53:25.400 --> 0:53:30.120 to twelve archetypes stories. There's there's a certain number of 0:53:30.200 --> 0:53:34.560 kind of typical story arcs. And in those arcs there 0:53:34.560 --> 0:53:38.320 particular she calls them beats. And so each each story 0:53:38.400 --> 0:53:41.800 has these the stories that really compel us and grab 0:53:41.960 --> 0:53:45.399 us and like Gladiator. You know, things things like that 0:53:45.640 --> 0:53:50.280 have these particular beats, and once once you are aware 0:53:50.320 --> 0:53:53.360 of these beats, you really do see them in lots 0:53:53.400 --> 0:53:56.120 of lots of movies and lots of things. And so 0:53:56.200 --> 0:54:00.560 one of the beats is where the main hero, the agonist, 0:54:00.640 --> 0:54:03.280 at the very beginning, at the outset of the story, 0:54:03.960 --> 0:54:06.239 he you know, he or she will quote unquote save 0:54:06.320 --> 0:54:09.640 the cat or it's this kind of innocuous, fairly unrelated 0:54:09.680 --> 0:54:14.920 supposedly to the broader picture. The hero does something really nice. Okay, 0:54:14.960 --> 0:54:17.279 so he doesn't necessarily have to save the cat. And 0:54:17.440 --> 0:54:20.920 I can't remember the actual movie, but there are actually 0:54:21.040 --> 0:54:23.279 later The reason why she calls it save the cat 0:54:23.360 --> 0:54:25.879 is because in whatever movie it is that that's a 0:54:25.920 --> 0:54:29.440 good example. That's a good example. The hero does something 0:54:29.520 --> 0:54:32.040 really kind, which is really similar you know, in in 0:54:32.400 --> 0:54:35.480 what Seth is talking About and and what Uh and 0:54:35.520 --> 0:54:37.800 Mark Robert Morgan in that book is like this appeal 0:54:37.920 --> 0:54:41.640 of the individual goes off by themself, you know where 0:54:41.800 --> 0:54:44.600 where Daniel Boone was out and he was gone too long, 0:54:44.719 --> 0:54:46.879 his mom didn't know where he was, and turns out 0:54:47.280 --> 0:54:50.279 he was fine all by himself. He killed this spar 0:54:50.360 --> 0:54:52.719 and was sitting by fire and look, boys, here's some 0:54:52.760 --> 0:54:55.759 meat for you. And it's just like we look at 0:54:55.840 --> 0:54:58.560 Jesus and Luke chapter two, It's like, wait, where did 0:54:58.640 --> 0:55:01.719 you go? Oh? He was fine, you know. But the 0:55:01.840 --> 0:55:05.359 interesting thing culturally is like a Hebrew reader and here 0:55:05.480 --> 0:55:08.239 of that story in Luke would not look at it 0:55:08.320 --> 0:55:11.640 and say, oh, wow, he went off by himself, and 0:55:11.680 --> 0:55:14.960 that really kind of that that really kind of resonates 0:55:14.960 --> 0:55:17.959 with me and appeals to me. A Hebrew reader here 0:55:18.320 --> 0:55:22.000 of that story in the Gospels would say, wow, he 0:55:22.120 --> 0:55:24.839 claimed to be from a different group when he said 0:55:24.880 --> 0:55:27.120 I was when Jesus said, I was in my father's house. 0:55:28.160 --> 0:55:31.080 So it's a totally is that what Boone did? When 0:55:31.680 --> 0:55:34.120 I mean the analogy, I mean, is that what Boone 0:55:34.160 --> 0:55:36.759 was doing when he said, guys, I'm cool, I'm here. 0:55:37.000 --> 0:55:39.480 I thought I was on the same you know, I'm 0:55:39.560 --> 0:55:42.920 not sure what Boone would have done. But culture, culture 0:55:43.000 --> 0:55:45.560 really determines what we see and we don't even know. 0:55:46.200 --> 0:55:49.279 It's kind of a tacit lens that sits there and 0:55:49.320 --> 0:55:51.600 we look through it and we look at Daniel Boone's 0:55:51.640 --> 0:55:54.399 life and it's like, oh, really, like these aspects of him, 0:55:54.600 --> 0:55:56.680 and we tend to kind of minimize these other ones. 0:55:56.920 --> 0:55:59.040 And I think what's key about what you just said 0:55:59.040 --> 0:56:03.000 too is like when you as we as Westerners, as Americans, 0:56:03.000 --> 0:56:05.800 we interpret that as the explorer. I mean, there's an archetype, 0:56:05.840 --> 0:56:08.000 the explore archetype. And what does the explorer want to do. 0:56:08.040 --> 0:56:09.680 They want to go out, they want to find freedom, 0:56:10.160 --> 0:56:12.000 they want to fight for their freedom, they want to 0:56:12.160 --> 0:56:14.840 you know, enjoy their freedom. Um. I mean when you 0:56:14.880 --> 0:56:18.279 look at the way the Morgan excerpt reads, it was, 0:56:18.440 --> 0:56:21.880 you know, this christ figure coming from Heaven coming to 0:56:21.960 --> 0:56:25.759 this new, unexplored territory and saying, I'm gonna go where 0:56:25.800 --> 0:56:27.879 I I know I can connect, you know. And it's 0:56:28.040 --> 0:56:30.560 uh Moses when he walks out saying, I'm going to 0:56:30.680 --> 0:56:33.000 bring the people to the place through the desert. I'm 0:56:33.000 --> 0:56:34.839 gonna go explore and bring the people to the place 0:56:34.840 --> 0:56:36.640 where I know they can connect with God even though 0:56:36.640 --> 0:56:40.120 I don't get to go there. And and then with 0:56:40.120 --> 0:56:42.000 with Boon, it's I'm gonna go to the place where 0:56:42.000 --> 0:56:44.920 I know it's unknown. I'm gonna fight from my freedom, 0:56:44.920 --> 0:56:46.560 but I know I can go out there and connect. 0:56:46.560 --> 0:56:49.520 And I mean again he's using Morgan is using those 0:56:49.640 --> 0:56:54.560 those just cultural hooks to help us understand like, oh, yeah, 0:56:54.600 --> 0:56:56.359 this is who he this is who he was, because 0:56:56.360 --> 0:56:59.440 this is the way that we interpret story. Yeah, call me, 0:56:59.520 --> 0:57:02.279 what do you think? Man? Before I do that, there's 0:57:02.280 --> 0:57:05.239 an elephant in the room. Oh, here's the thing he 0:57:05.320 --> 0:57:09.239 talked about the office. He's talking about Battlestar Galactic. Dan 0:57:09.360 --> 0:57:11.959 is over here talking about beats and we talked about 0:57:11.960 --> 0:57:19.480 bears bears set. Wow. Wow, there was a bullet in 0:57:19.520 --> 0:57:23.720 this magnum shooting to the roof. That's like six degrees 0:57:23.760 --> 0:57:28.840 of Kevin Bacon. That was Ken Bacon. It's killing me 0:57:28.880 --> 0:57:31.840 over here. I was just like everyone has been listening 0:57:31.840 --> 0:57:38.040 to have to talk to well you Dwight for the 0:57:38.080 --> 0:57:44.640 rest of the episode. Alright, alright, yeah, Kobe, Kobe, uh 0:57:45.000 --> 0:57:47.200 you what do you think of it? Man? Man? I 0:57:47.320 --> 0:57:49.080 stood out to you. I really liked it. You know, 0:57:49.160 --> 0:57:51.600 I think there's a lot of things that that stood out. 0:57:51.840 --> 0:57:55.520 But I think that the as there's two things. One 0:57:55.560 --> 0:57:58.560 thing is the aspect of where he was weighing out 0:57:58.600 --> 0:58:02.200 different cultural things between in the Indians and you know, 0:58:02.520 --> 0:58:06.040 white men, where he was looking at just what wealth 0:58:06.160 --> 0:58:09.640 is you know, contrasting those So just looking at the 0:58:09.640 --> 0:58:12.120 cultural norms inside of my life of what I perceived 0:58:12.160 --> 0:58:14.880 as value, you know. So so it's like, whenever I 0:58:14.920 --> 0:58:17.240 listened to something, I listened from the lens of is 0:58:17.240 --> 0:58:19.000 there something that I can get out of it that 0:58:19.040 --> 0:58:22.560 overlays my life? That could you know, maybe like pull 0:58:22.640 --> 0:58:26.480 off some hedgemon that I just believe, Right, So that's one. 0:58:26.560 --> 0:58:29.160 The other one would be um let let me comment 0:58:29.240 --> 0:58:32.720 on that. So that section that was an excerpt that 0:58:32.760 --> 0:58:38.200 I read from Morgan's book about um the contrast between 0:58:38.440 --> 0:58:43.440 the European and Native American worldview, and it talked about 0:58:43.480 --> 0:58:47.400 how the Native Americans thought Europeans were crazy. I thought 0:58:47.400 --> 0:58:52.960 they were insane for trying to trying to pursue wealth, 0:58:53.320 --> 0:58:55.800 like I mean, I think maybe we all got it 0:58:55.840 --> 0:58:57.600 in that moment, But if you actually think about that, 0:58:57.680 --> 0:59:02.160 it's like very rational, very like if you lived off 0:59:02.200 --> 0:59:05.880 the land like Native Americans did, and people came here 0:59:05.920 --> 0:59:08.680 and we're in search of precious metals which were of 0:59:09.680 --> 0:59:12.160 like zero, I mean, like if we had a bar 0:59:12.280 --> 0:59:15.320 of gold out here in the mountains, setting by our 0:59:15.320 --> 0:59:17.720 campfire when we were deer hunting, trying to live off 0:59:17.800 --> 0:59:20.360 dear meat. It would be like, bro, don't put that 0:59:20.400 --> 0:59:25.560 on the mule. Yeah, I mean like like so when 0:59:25.600 --> 0:59:29.160 you tell us that sounds wild, but it actually is 0:59:29.720 --> 0:59:35.840 much more of a kind of primitive you know, ideology. 0:59:37.000 --> 0:59:41.000 But it's a wild because our lives as Westerners, it 0:59:41.120 --> 0:59:46.400 really is. It's sad. It revolves around accumulation of wealth 0:59:46.920 --> 0:59:49.440 and and those that section of the book that was 0:59:49.480 --> 0:59:51.600 one of the sections ten years ago that I remembered 0:59:51.800 --> 0:59:55.200 Boone's ill illegitimate daughter, and then the Native American worldview 0:59:55.240 --> 0:59:57.640 was one of one of many. Yeah, it makes you evaluate. 0:59:57.640 --> 1:00:00.640 It's like, what are we doing here? What were we doing? Guys? 1:00:00.680 --> 1:00:03.280 I think that what what that jogged in my memory was. 1:00:03.320 --> 1:00:07.000 I remember when I was doing my research, my PhD research. 1:00:07.400 --> 1:00:12.160 There's a study little guys call me doctor um. There's 1:00:12.200 --> 1:00:16.040 a study out there called Culture and Research Resource Conflict. 1:00:16.080 --> 1:00:18.520 I can't remember who wrote it, but there's the They 1:00:18.600 --> 1:00:22.640 looked at manimity Indians in Wisconsin and white you know, 1:00:22.880 --> 1:00:28.000 American sportsmen and how they viewed nature different. And so 1:00:28.280 --> 1:00:31.160 the boil the whole book down in the nutshell is 1:00:31.200 --> 1:00:35.320 like the white hunters wanted to quote unquote conquer nature, 1:00:35.800 --> 1:00:39.640 whereas the Native people's the manimity. Indians and in this 1:00:39.800 --> 1:00:43.800 area really saw themselves as a part of it and 1:00:43.840 --> 1:00:47.120 that and that was the source of them looking at 1:00:47.120 --> 1:00:49.959 each other and thinking you're crazy, along with of course 1:00:50.000 --> 1:00:53.520 a history of the semmic, you know, discrimination in genocide, 1:00:54.440 --> 1:00:59.520 all kinds of other things. But fundamentally they viewed reality different. 1:01:00.080 --> 1:01:04.080 You couldn't have had two groups of people meet in 1:01:04.120 --> 1:01:06.640 the woods that would have had different ways of thinking. 1:01:07.960 --> 1:01:12.280 I mean wild, yeah, and they're doing this, they're engaged 1:01:12.320 --> 1:01:15.840 in the same activities, so they're they're hunting, their gathering, 1:01:15.880 --> 1:01:18.720 you know, in the case of Daniel Boone, he's engaging 1:01:18.760 --> 1:01:23.640 in their activity. That's why Boone is Boone. And what 1:01:23.680 --> 1:01:26.960 Morgan and you know, I talked with Mr Morgan for 1:01:28.080 --> 1:01:33.080 three hours and you guys are gonna hear maybe forty 1:01:33.160 --> 1:01:36.840 five minutes of that conversation. Um. He talked about how 1:01:37.120 --> 1:01:42.240 the Native Americans had way bigger impact on modern American 1:01:42.320 --> 1:01:46.320 culture than we give them credit for, because he said, like, 1:01:46.680 --> 1:01:50.160 for instance, and we said this, like these Europeans came 1:01:50.200 --> 1:01:53.000 over here, they didn't know a lick about hunting because 1:01:53.000 --> 1:01:55.480 they weren't able to hunt in Europe because of the 1:01:55.640 --> 1:01:59.440 systems are you know, just the hierarchy of the nobility 1:01:59.520 --> 1:02:03.200 hunting commoners coming over here. It would be like, I mean, 1:02:03.240 --> 1:02:07.400 imagine being a new adult onset hunter thirty five years old, 1:02:07.520 --> 1:02:09.880 showing up and having to make a living off hunting. 1:02:10.240 --> 1:02:14.360 You wouldn't know much. Native Americans taught taught, taught these 1:02:14.360 --> 1:02:18.360 men how to hunt. They watched. But Boone, he was 1:02:18.480 --> 1:02:21.080 drawn to the Native Americans from the beginning. Did you 1:02:21.120 --> 1:02:26.560 just use the phrase adult onset hunter medical conditions terminal 1:02:28.400 --> 1:02:35.480 if you're not successful term um. So they had a big, 1:02:35.520 --> 1:02:38.800 big influence and that's what made Boone who he was like. 1:02:38.840 --> 1:02:41.000 It really did like he and you'll see in these 1:02:41.040 --> 1:02:46.920 next couple of episodes how the Native American worldview so 1:02:47.080 --> 1:02:50.000 influenced him. And Boone did a whole bunch of stuff 1:02:50.040 --> 1:02:52.480 that really he probably shouldn't get credit for. And it's 1:02:52.480 --> 1:02:55.600 not because he didn't do it, but it's because it 1:02:55.640 --> 1:02:58.640 wasn't necessarily his intent. Like when Boone went through the 1:02:58.640 --> 1:03:02.320 Cumberland Gap and started settling in Kentucky, he wasn't thinking 1:03:02.360 --> 1:03:07.000 of an American empire that he was the spear point 1:03:07.040 --> 1:03:11.200 of the dude wanted some good deer hunting. He wasn't 1:03:11.240 --> 1:03:14.880 looking to expand anything except his hunting ground. I mean 1:03:14.960 --> 1:03:17.680 that is he he wanted a place for his family 1:03:17.720 --> 1:03:21.680 to live where that he could get away from, you know, 1:03:21.800 --> 1:03:24.800 some of the pressures back home. But like he was 1:03:24.880 --> 1:03:29.120 not like man, I am a patriot. Actually will learn 1:03:29.200 --> 1:03:31.520 that he wasn't much of a He really wasn't that 1:03:31.640 --> 1:03:34.120 much of a patriot. He went back and forth. He 1:03:34.200 --> 1:03:37.000 was tried by the Americans for treason because they thought 1:03:37.040 --> 1:03:39.680 he was a Tory, and they thought he was in 1:03:39.840 --> 1:03:42.680 coops with the Native Americans, which the French in the 1:03:42.760 --> 1:03:45.960 Native in the Native Americans were to working together to 1:03:46.120 --> 1:03:48.880 keep the Americans out of the West. Man. So the 1:03:48.920 --> 1:03:53.480 real life Daniel Boone really really didn't he would the 1:03:53.560 --> 1:03:57.600 narrative of yeah, I mean like he fought for America 1:03:57.680 --> 1:04:01.160 to make all Americans free, No, sir, He was a 1:04:01.160 --> 1:04:04.120 teamster in the French and Indian War. To make a living. 1:04:04.200 --> 1:04:07.600 He was a truck driver, being a teamster. That essentially 1:04:08.480 --> 1:04:10.600 because my grandfather was a teamster. And I always wonder 1:04:10.640 --> 1:04:12.960 where did that name come from? Like why do they 1:04:12.960 --> 1:04:14.720 call him teamsters? And that put I put two and 1:04:14.760 --> 1:04:17.120 two to two and two together. When he had horses 1:04:17.120 --> 1:04:19.600 and mules and he was a truck driver. Oh and 1:04:19.680 --> 1:04:26.760 he called himself a team teams and I was wondered 1:04:26.760 --> 1:04:29.920 why they were just his motivations were not as like 1:04:30.160 --> 1:04:34.640 pure as what the archetype would suggest, you know, yeah, 1:04:34.760 --> 1:04:37.080 or the myth. I mean I I was looking at 1:04:37.080 --> 1:04:39.120 these lyrics too, right when you started singing right that 1:04:39.160 --> 1:04:43.080 the who he actually was didn't match with the myth 1:04:43.120 --> 1:04:45.080 that we've made him out to be. And I mean, 1:04:45.120 --> 1:04:46.760 I think that goes back to what we were talking 1:04:46.760 --> 1:04:50.000 about in our conversation about you know, humans are terribly complex. 1:04:50.240 --> 1:04:53.880 It's you know, we're not just archetypes. It's easy to 1:04:53.920 --> 1:04:57.200 boil everyone down in this room to a certain archetypal, 1:04:57.480 --> 1:05:01.400 you know, type or character, but we're all complex, We're 1:05:01.440 --> 1:05:04.040 all the you know. In some circles, you may be uh, 1:05:04.120 --> 1:05:06.400 you know, a complete the scene as a complete rebel, 1:05:06.440 --> 1:05:10.000 and there's a complete lover and another's a fierce explorer. 1:05:10.040 --> 1:05:13.280 And and that's what I think made the first episode 1:05:13.320 --> 1:05:15.560 to me so impactful, was because you start to see 1:05:15.560 --> 1:05:18.160 these layers. And I can't wait for the second episode 1:05:18.160 --> 1:05:20.520 to see those layers because I think it's it does 1:05:20.560 --> 1:05:24.440 help to deconstruct some of the mythology that that frankly, 1:05:24.480 --> 1:05:26.440 he helps make him more of a man, more of 1:05:26.480 --> 1:05:29.160 a human, more of a person, less of a myth 1:05:29.880 --> 1:05:36.880 tall tale. Yeah yeah, I really that Onceeth said that 1:05:37.000 --> 1:05:39.400 made me think about the the the layers of who 1:05:39.400 --> 1:05:42.000 he was. The the impacting story to me and that 1:05:42.200 --> 1:05:46.160 just you know, my family is is something that I've 1:05:46.200 --> 1:05:47.760 put a lot of emphasis on, doo and you know, 1:05:47.800 --> 1:05:50.880 building my marriage and and building my family with my children. 1:05:51.160 --> 1:05:53.200 The story that really impacted me was the one with 1:05:53.240 --> 1:05:55.880 his son where he was. They were on the river 1:05:55.920 --> 1:05:59.840 bank camping. Um even like the sun shooting the deer, 1:06:00.520 --> 1:06:05.360 and it was there was a bear shooting the bear. 1:06:06.440 --> 1:06:10.320 Yeah that's right, Um, his son killed the buck and uh, 1:06:10.440 --> 1:06:13.400 you know Daniel heard the shot, came back and was like, 1:06:13.520 --> 1:06:15.240 let's find this. You know, there was there was this 1:06:15.360 --> 1:06:19.080 sense of camaraderie over this thing that that Daniel would 1:06:19.080 --> 1:06:21.880 have loved so much to experience that with his son. 1:06:21.960 --> 1:06:25.600 And then and then the position of being a father 1:06:25.640 --> 1:06:29.480 and a protector, being aware and alert to hear the 1:06:30.920 --> 1:06:35.080 chops of the Native American hatchets across the river and saying, okay, 1:06:35.080 --> 1:06:38.280 here's the game plan, here's what we're gonna do. I 1:06:38.760 --> 1:06:42.680 love seeing that. I imagine if one of us had 1:06:42.760 --> 1:06:45.800 that story, we're literally life and death. Like none of us. 1:06:46.800 --> 1:06:49.160 We just live in such a different world. But like, 1:06:49.360 --> 1:06:51.960 imagine if Dan had his story going out with his 1:06:52.080 --> 1:06:57.200 dad and people that would have killed him or kidnapped 1:06:57.280 --> 1:07:00.760 him for life, or at minimums stole in a bunch 1:07:00.760 --> 1:07:02.440 of his stuff. I mean, that was pretty common and 1:07:02.560 --> 1:07:06.440 and I can't cast judgment on their intentions, but usually 1:07:06.520 --> 1:07:10.840 it wasn't good intentions. Uh yeah. During that story, I 1:07:10.840 --> 1:07:12.120 think one of the things that kind of gave me 1:07:12.200 --> 1:07:14.520 chills was whenever they were in the canoe and he 1:07:14.600 --> 1:07:16.240 just pushed off and he put his head to where 1:07:16.280 --> 1:07:19.360 you see under the fog, and that statements like I 1:07:19.360 --> 1:07:21.160 see what people think about him were like how they 1:07:21.280 --> 1:07:24.120 view him that particular way, Like it was like some 1:07:24.120 --> 1:07:26.120 some scales coming off of his son's eyes of like 1:07:26.360 --> 1:07:28.400 I see you a little differently right now, you know, 1:07:28.960 --> 1:07:31.280 And just even thinking about times inside of my life 1:07:31.320 --> 1:07:33.480 of like how I viewed my dad at different times 1:07:33.520 --> 1:07:37.439 of stages of life. Think about how masterful that move 1:07:37.640 --> 1:07:41.200 was though, I mean, how he did that, like it 1:07:41.240 --> 1:07:46.040 was super very calculated, because I I thought, man you're 1:07:46.040 --> 1:07:49.400 hearing those chops, let's go. You know, why why why 1:07:49.440 --> 1:07:51.240 wouldn't he have gone? I thought about that. Why didn't 1:07:51.280 --> 1:07:53.720 they just leave? Well? It was dark. It was dark. 1:07:53.720 --> 1:07:56.080 You can't see anything. I think you gotta move slower. 1:07:56.120 --> 1:07:57.840 You're gonna make a ton of noise. You know. I 1:07:57.840 --> 1:08:00.160 would have just panicked and ran. But one thing that 1:08:00.360 --> 1:08:03.040 is that Okay, that's right. It was it was dark, 1:08:03.080 --> 1:08:05.240 and they would have wrecked. The head lamps are probably 1:08:05.280 --> 1:08:08.360 out of batteries. So one of the things that touched 1:08:08.400 --> 1:08:13.080 me about it though, was when the Sun said that 1:08:13.160 --> 1:08:16.400 was you know, he shot that buck and Daniel came 1:08:16.400 --> 1:08:18.680 back and he said that was the last time that 1:08:18.760 --> 1:08:22.160 my dad didn't take me with him when he went 1:08:22.200 --> 1:08:28.240 out from the fire. Yeah, and that was that was 1:08:28.320 --> 1:08:32.400 significant to the Sun. Well, I mean, talk about a 1:08:32.479 --> 1:08:36.080 moment in time that's fascinating, especially if you're a hunter. 1:08:37.000 --> 1:08:42.679 Is Daniel Boone teaching his youngest and last son, Nathan Boone, 1:08:42.680 --> 1:08:45.439 how did deer hunt? I mean that he did. Like 1:08:45.560 --> 1:08:48.680 Nathan told us that story. Dad told me that you 1:08:48.760 --> 1:08:50.599 don't you don't sneak up on the deer when they 1:08:50.640 --> 1:08:52.960 have their head up, but you slip in on him 1:08:53.439 --> 1:08:57.880 and on that one hunt they killed fifteen deer and 1:08:58.080 --> 1:09:02.040 two or three bears. I mean like that's, uh, that's 1:09:02.040 --> 1:09:04.360 pretty wild. Like that was just like common. I mean, 1:09:04.400 --> 1:09:05.920 you know, heck, we go on a deer hunt and 1:09:06.040 --> 1:09:09.559 kill a deer or a bear in a year, We're like, wow, 1:09:09.600 --> 1:09:12.160 what a year. I mean they were they were wearing 1:09:12.200 --> 1:09:15.479 them out, man. That's what I liked about that whole 1:09:15.560 --> 1:09:19.639 thing was the relationship because that that made Daniel Boone 1:09:19.960 --> 1:09:29.840 or Dan as as like more relatable, like what Seth 1:09:29.960 --> 1:09:32.920 was talking about, because I can remember the coming of 1:09:33.000 --> 1:09:37.920 age moment with my dad hunting. I can remember not 1:09:38.040 --> 1:09:41.080 so long ago the coming of age of my son 1:09:41.200 --> 1:09:44.080 hunting with me when all that came about, and I 1:09:44.120 --> 1:09:47.800 can relate that back to Daniel Boone and his son. 1:09:47.960 --> 1:09:51.160 How crazy is that? You know that? That that was 1:09:51.200 --> 1:09:53.400 what spoke to me out of this this first part. 1:09:54.360 --> 1:10:00.599 So there's something unique and exciting and fun. And Seth 1:10:00.600 --> 1:10:04.320 would understand this having written a lot, is that when 1:10:04.360 --> 1:10:07.840 you really many of us in the room would I'm 1:10:07.880 --> 1:10:14.120 looking at Dr Dan respect when you dive into something 1:10:15.040 --> 1:10:19.320 so deep you, especially if you're researching a person like 1:10:20.000 --> 1:10:22.880 I felt like I knew I feel like I know 1:10:23.160 --> 1:10:26.120 Daniel Boone, I really do. Like I feel like if 1:10:26.160 --> 1:10:28.559 he walked in the door and sat down, I would 1:10:28.680 --> 1:10:33.519 know how to engage with him. It wouldn't be like 1:10:33.600 --> 1:10:35.720 I feel like that. Now. Whether if that's true or not, 1:10:35.800 --> 1:10:40.439 I don't know. But but so when I read what 1:10:40.800 --> 1:10:43.439 the sequence of my study of Boon was first this 1:10:43.479 --> 1:10:48.040 Boon book, and then two other Boon biographies parts of them, 1:10:48.080 --> 1:10:50.880 and then the last book I got was Nathan was 1:10:51.200 --> 1:10:56.080 Lyman Draper. Okay, alex uh I said, Nathan Draper on 1:10:56.120 --> 1:11:00.240 the podcast is actually Lyman Draper, Thanks, Alex. I love 1:11:00.280 --> 1:11:04.439 that guy. I really do m Lyman Draper. I found 1:11:04.479 --> 1:11:07.280 out about that book here it is right here my father, 1:11:07.400 --> 1:11:10.640 Daniel Boone. And it was like I had discovered and 1:11:10.640 --> 1:11:12.400 I had heard, I'd heard him talk about it, but 1:11:12.439 --> 1:11:15.320 I really didn't know it was so accessible to get, Like, 1:11:15.360 --> 1:11:16.960 I didn't know I could get on Amazon and show 1:11:17.040 --> 1:11:19.160 up in my house in two days. And so I 1:11:19.240 --> 1:11:21.320 was like, Dad, game, you can just order that book. 1:11:21.720 --> 1:11:23.400 And I ordered this book and I started to read 1:11:23.400 --> 1:11:28.520 segment of the podcast Brought to You by Amazon. Yeah, 1:11:27.880 --> 1:11:33.479 I mean like was deeply moved by hearing Nathan's account 1:11:33.560 --> 1:11:37.320 of his father, because I included the challenging of telling 1:11:37.320 --> 1:11:39.240 a story like this is what do you include? There's 1:11:39.280 --> 1:11:42.120 just so much. And one thing that I did choose 1:11:42.160 --> 1:11:47.680 to include was that two different people sat down with 1:11:47.760 --> 1:11:50.320 Boone when he was an old man to interview him 1:11:50.320 --> 1:11:54.000 about his life. And one of him was his grandson 1:11:54.080 --> 1:11:58.040 in law, who when Boone was an old man, imagine, 1:11:58.320 --> 1:12:04.120 imagine a granddaughter going to her new husband. Man, Grandpa 1:12:04.200 --> 1:12:08.360 is pretty cool, dude. I wish somebody would write his story, 1:12:08.840 --> 1:12:12.920 just like get him to tell stories. And the and 1:12:13.000 --> 1:12:15.599 the and the grandson was a doctor as I remember, 1:12:16.320 --> 1:12:21.720 and and yep, and the grandson goes and spends at 1:12:22.640 --> 1:12:26.959 a notable chunk of time. I can't remember interviewing Daniel's 1:12:26.960 --> 1:12:29.320 whole life. So I mean, this is like quill and 1:12:29.360 --> 1:12:32.640 E I suppose, and in the eight the teens of 1:12:32.680 --> 1:12:34.720 the eighteen hundreds that would have been quill and ink. 1:12:34.840 --> 1:12:38.720 I don't know. He records the entire life story of 1:12:38.800 --> 1:12:43.640 Daniel Boone and Dan's words and this too, and we'll 1:12:43.680 --> 1:12:47.000 get to this in the later episodes. But Boone died 1:12:47.160 --> 1:12:51.080 a common man, and this, to me shows it as 1:12:51.120 --> 1:12:55.439 much as anything is. They had this manuscript of Boone's 1:12:55.479 --> 1:12:59.920 life and his own words, and it just got lost. 1:13:00.600 --> 1:13:03.639 M hmm, I mean just got lost. I mean if 1:13:03.640 --> 1:13:06.760 you had sat down and interviewed uh, I mean I 1:13:06.960 --> 1:13:12.920 I don't want to name a political figure, because Dwight Eisenhower. 1:13:13.920 --> 1:13:17.800 If you if you sat down and interviewed Dwight Eisenhower 1:13:17.840 --> 1:13:20.479 and that was the only part of history, I mean 1:13:20.479 --> 1:13:24.000 like you would probably take care of that manuscript. The 1:13:24.040 --> 1:13:28.240 manuscript was lost and and and then it happened again. 1:13:28.640 --> 1:13:32.240 Another young family member said, man, we gotta do that 1:13:32.320 --> 1:13:35.559 again because old Jimmy lost it. And so they sat 1:13:35.640 --> 1:13:38.559 down and started it, didn't complete it, but still had 1:13:38.560 --> 1:13:43.920 a big chunk of it, and lost it. When Nathan 1:13:43.920 --> 1:13:47.759 Boone was in his seventies, he said, the family told 1:13:47.760 --> 1:13:50.280 me they were gonna give me the unfinished draft, but 1:13:50.360 --> 1:13:54.880 they never did. And so that's part of the reason, though, 1:13:54.920 --> 1:13:59.080 Seth Haines, why Boone is so mythologized is because we 1:13:59.240 --> 1:14:02.960 never heard him in his own voice. We never heard 1:14:02.960 --> 1:14:04.800 from his own boy. The only place we hear him 1:14:04.800 --> 1:14:09.599 in his own voice is John Philson, who wrote the 1:14:09.800 --> 1:14:13.120 very first part of When Dan was fifty years old. 1:14:13.160 --> 1:14:15.720 You remember what made him famous what catalyzed him the 1:14:15.760 --> 1:14:18.840 single chapter in the book. But that's not in Dan's voice. 1:14:19.720 --> 1:14:21.360 You see what I'm saying. That guy took it way 1:14:21.400 --> 1:14:26.520 out of his voice. And so anyway, it's just it's 1:14:26.640 --> 1:14:32.960 it's a wild story, and it's uh um. What I 1:14:33.000 --> 1:14:35.559 hope people see inside of this whole thing when we're 1:14:35.600 --> 1:14:42.479 done with it, is Boone had the reason. I've said 1:14:42.520 --> 1:14:46.480 this before on The Burger's podcast. I'm I'm not interested 1:14:46.560 --> 1:14:50.360 in and not that you can like critique someone's character fully. 1:14:50.400 --> 1:14:53.000 I mean, like anybody you talked to us in this 1:14:53.120 --> 1:14:59.479 room have flaws in our character. Brent I I was 1:14:59.520 --> 1:15:04.880 thinking that, but I I don't want to like, you know, 1:15:05.040 --> 1:15:08.640 highlight or celebrate someone that just had like it was 1:15:08.760 --> 1:15:13.759 not a good person. You know, Daniel Boone had pretty 1:15:13.800 --> 1:15:17.080 incredible character. Robert Morgan did a great job in this book. 1:15:17.439 --> 1:15:20.000 And I actually talked to Morgan about it probably won't 1:15:20.000 --> 1:15:22.160 make the podcast because it just wasn't that flashy of 1:15:22.200 --> 1:15:24.200 a section, but I said, it seems to me like 1:15:24.280 --> 1:15:29.080 you like you're interested in like defending Boone's character, and 1:15:29.120 --> 1:15:31.759 he was like, yeah, I mean that's what I remember 1:15:31.840 --> 1:15:35.160 him saying. Just because Boone because we'll get into more. 1:15:35.280 --> 1:15:38.799 Boone had a lot of potential for having bad character. 1:15:39.200 --> 1:15:40.840 He was in debt to a lot of people, spend 1:15:40.840 --> 1:15:43.200 a lot of time in court over debt, tried of 1:15:43.240 --> 1:15:48.200 treason a lot of people. I mean, anybody that's that famous, 1:15:48.560 --> 1:15:50.479 there's gonna be a lot of people that were jealous 1:15:50.560 --> 1:15:53.960 of him, didn't like him, and he made mistakes just 1:15:54.000 --> 1:15:59.160 like anybody would have. So anyway, but Daniel Boone, Dan Boone, 1:16:00.760 --> 1:16:02.559 it seems a little bit like are you're talking about? 1:16:02.640 --> 1:16:04.839 You just keep thinking about what says talking about with archetypes, 1:16:04.880 --> 1:16:09.640 It's almost as if we talked about the founding fathers 1:16:09.680 --> 1:16:14.519 and as a nation we needed fathering, and that he 1:16:14.640 --> 1:16:18.719 certainly lived at a time, and then in the subsequent years, 1:16:18.760 --> 1:16:21.920 you know, we're still decades and hundred years later, our 1:16:22.040 --> 1:16:25.040 our nation is still kind of forming. And we made 1:16:25.120 --> 1:16:29.040 this myth of a father who would do what Daniel 1:16:29.120 --> 1:16:32.200 did with his son and that canoe, which was let 1:16:32.200 --> 1:16:34.120 me wrap you up, put you in a blanket, and 1:16:34.120 --> 1:16:36.920 you laid down, and I'll paddle us through this kind 1:16:36.920 --> 1:16:40.920 of uncharted territory with some folks are chasing us. You know, 1:16:41.000 --> 1:16:43.080 we kind of made this myth and even that the 1:16:43.160 --> 1:16:45.320 lyrics of that song. You know, he fought to make 1:16:45.360 --> 1:16:49.439 America free. It's kind of like, deep down just like us, 1:16:49.800 --> 1:16:52.840 we remember these like Brents talking about this moment with 1:16:52.920 --> 1:16:56.800 your father and your son. We need to be fathered 1:16:57.200 --> 1:16:59.920 and as a nation and as a culture when he 1:17:00.200 --> 1:17:04.599 fathers and so some of it's true, some of it's 1:17:04.600 --> 1:17:08.559 a myth. But we construct this father figure in Daniel 1:17:08.600 --> 1:17:11.640 Boone so we can feel safe, you know, so we 1:17:11.680 --> 1:17:14.200 can and so we have a place to head. You 1:17:14.200 --> 1:17:17.639 want to be like your dad, you know man and 1:17:17.640 --> 1:17:19.920 and Boone came at such a great time to be 1:17:19.960 --> 1:17:24.679 an American hero. I mean this prime time was between 1:17:25.320 --> 1:17:28.080 seventeen seventy and seventeen eighty. Like we said in that 1:17:28.200 --> 1:17:31.160 quote about his thirties, I've had more people asked me 1:17:31.240 --> 1:17:36.040 for that quote, remember the quote the man in his thirties. Um, 1:17:36.400 --> 1:17:40.400 lots of people. That quote impacted Misty and I like 1:17:40.640 --> 1:17:43.479 such that we put it in her. It was actually 1:17:44.000 --> 1:17:46.680 it was actually in Misty's office. I would like to 1:17:46.720 --> 1:17:50.479 correct myself. I said, in the presence of Mr Mr 1:17:50.840 --> 1:17:52.960 Mr Morgan, that was in our house. It was in 1:17:53.000 --> 1:17:57.920 our office. So anyway, we've had the quote but incredible quote. 1:17:58.880 --> 1:18:03.320 And it was so seventeen eighty, seventeen seventy to seventeen eighty, 1:18:03.560 --> 1:18:05.880 I mean the American Revolution with seventeen seventy six, I 1:18:05.880 --> 1:18:08.200 mean that was when we So it's like that's a 1:18:08.240 --> 1:18:10.599 good time too if you're looking for a hero's datus 1:18:10.640 --> 1:18:12.920 to be around. But I mean, to Dan's point and 1:18:13.200 --> 1:18:15.439 to what I said earlier, everything that's happened before all 1:18:15.439 --> 1:18:19.000 happen again. I mean, and and maybe there's some anthropological 1:18:19.479 --> 1:18:22.559 uh you know, the truth here too, But like, I 1:18:22.600 --> 1:18:25.400 think that's where we are right now. I think the 1:18:25.439 --> 1:18:28.160 reason why people are sitting in this room discussing Daniel 1:18:28.160 --> 1:18:30.000 Boone all these years later is because, I mean, we're 1:18:30.000 --> 1:18:31.880 at a point. I feel like we're at a point 1:18:31.880 --> 1:18:34.479 in our history, regardless of where you're on the political spectrum, 1:18:34.479 --> 1:18:40.559 where we we need some strong character driven individuals, men 1:18:40.720 --> 1:18:43.960 or women, but to step up and to say, like 1:18:44.320 --> 1:18:46.559 we we need to make something better of this country. 1:18:47.000 --> 1:18:50.120 And and that's why these stories keep resonating, because we 1:18:50.120 --> 1:18:52.200 we kind of come back to these moments of history 1:18:52.200 --> 1:18:55.280 where it's like, man, things things feel shaky, thanks Phil, 1:18:56.200 --> 1:18:57.880 like they're gonna fall apart a little bit and we 1:18:57.960 --> 1:19:02.360 kind of we want those heroes, we need them. Yeah. Incredible, man, Hey, 1:19:02.400 --> 1:19:04.360 this has been a great conversation. I can't thank you 1:19:04.360 --> 1:19:08.680 guys enough. Really, thank you all. I love every one 1:19:08.720 --> 1:19:11.880 of you. Thanks for coming. Good, good combo. And uh, 1:19:11.920 --> 1:19:14.120 I wanted to show you one thing before we quit here. 1:19:14.600 --> 1:19:20.880 You'll see this. Brent described this. I'm gonna put it 1:19:20.920 --> 1:19:23.559 on on a scale of one to ten. I would 1:19:23.640 --> 1:19:26.559 give that about ten and a half. This is uh, 1:19:26.600 --> 1:19:29.120 this is my new hat. Boys. This is a hundred 1:19:29.160 --> 1:19:34.720 percent beaver Felt sing custom made hat. Beautiful and it 1:19:34.800 --> 1:19:40.720 says handmade for Clay Nukelem and it has Burgrease right there. 1:19:42.479 --> 1:19:44.920 So they're out of They're out of Jackson Hole are 1:19:45.240 --> 1:19:49.479 Yeah yeah sing Hat Company. Uh, they're friends of ours 1:19:50.080 --> 1:19:53.280 and uh, I just got this in the mouth today 1:19:54.160 --> 1:19:59.880 Instagram and they have some amazing beaver Felt hats. And 1:20:00.160 --> 1:20:03.400 the reason that I have this on is because Daniel 1:20:03.479 --> 1:20:06.479 Boone did not wear a Coonskin cap. He wore a 1:20:06.520 --> 1:20:10.479 beaver Felt really yeah, with a coonskin on top with 1:20:11.640 --> 1:20:14.240 what does everybody with a podcast get one of those ants? 1:20:14.720 --> 1:20:20.800 I wish man, I take I got one. There's not enough, 1:20:22.160 --> 1:20:29.000 not enough. Let me tell you something. This hat was 1:20:29.160 --> 1:20:34.600 designed to look like James Lawrence's hat put on my Instagram. 1:20:35.840 --> 1:20:39.439 I sent her the picture. Uh I sent her the 1:20:39.479 --> 1:20:47.360 picture of James Lawrence and uh so, anyway, yeah, I 1:20:47.400 --> 1:20:49.800 like it. I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna kind of 1:20:49.800 --> 1:20:52.040 break it in a little bit. I like it. Nope, 1:20:52.240 --> 1:20:56.040 looking forward to episode two, Keep the Wild Places Wild, 1:20:56.080 --> 1:20:58.280 because that's where the bears live, and that's where Daniel 1:20:58.280 --> 1:21:01.559 Boone wanted to go, where the barriers were and it 1:21:01.640 --> 1:21:11.640 wasn't bit m hm