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Speaker 1: Yeah, my name is Clay Nukeleman. This is a production

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Speaker 1: of the bear Grease podcast called The bear Grease Render,

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Speaker 1: where we render down, dive deeper, and looked behind the

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Speaker 1: scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by f

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Speaker 1: HF Gear, American made purpose built hunting and fishing gear

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Speaker 1: that's designed to be as rugged as the places we explore.

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Speaker 1: What you got in your hand there, Dan, ultralight titanium

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Speaker 1: revolver wrist breaker. It's a Taurus forty four magnum. That's

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Speaker 1: what it is. Is that what it is? Yeah, that

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Speaker 1: thing's made of titanium super light. But it's a gorgeous

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Speaker 1: looks like a mule, but it's a that's a good

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Speaker 1: bear gun. Hey, welcome to the bear Grease Render. My,

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Speaker 1: oh my, do we ever have a production today? Man?

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Speaker 1: We have uh, we have two new people in the

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Speaker 1: in in the room today at the Global headquarters to

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Speaker 1: new people. And we traditionally introduced the new people at

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Speaker 1: the end too, so like it's like suspenseful of what's

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Speaker 1: gonna be happening. Land Bridge is cocking the gun now, Okay,

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Speaker 1: welcome to America. First, First of all, Gary Newcomb is

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Speaker 1: not here. Man, it's too bad. He's building. He's building

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Speaker 1: the barn. He's not on a dozer. Oh, man, I

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Speaker 1: got some stories about a dozer and Misty Newcomb was

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Speaker 1: gonna be here. She had to bail for professional reasons,

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Speaker 1: and she was very quickly replaced. That substituted substitution was

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Speaker 1: very quickly substituted. Yes, it makes me wonder who is

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Speaker 1: the substitutions? I mean, who was it? Who'd you have

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Speaker 1: on speed dial? Well, I'll tell that so to my right,

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Speaker 1: I have Mr Brent Reeves. Brent, good to see you, Thanks, man,

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Speaker 1: I got a new hat. Dr Daniel Rupe good to

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Speaker 1: be here, fantastic to see you. It's good I have

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Speaker 1: dand's got a new bow. Yeah, absolutely wonderful. Is a

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Speaker 1: Matthews I don't I don't actually know what kind of is?

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Speaker 1: What kind is it? B XR Matthews v x are slick, Yeah, smooth, phenomenal,

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Speaker 1: land Bridge spillmaker. Man, guys, let's just give him a

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Speaker 1: round of applau. You made it on the Bargrease podcast. Everyone,

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Speaker 1: I'm bowing. Yeah, I mean I thought you wanted us

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Speaker 1: to bout it, not just not just on the podcast,

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Speaker 1: but staring the podcast off. Yeah, you came You came

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Speaker 1: in hot, and it was brilliant and that was totally unplanned.

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Speaker 1: I walked in the place where Josh works and just

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Speaker 1: what came out. Did he know you were recording him?

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Speaker 1: And how often do you record us apart from our knowledge?

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Speaker 1: If I give you a consent paper to sign just

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Speaker 1: like his chest pocket towards you while he's talking, might

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Speaker 1: be good. Now, Josh came in hot with the song

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Speaker 1: of Daniel Boone, which I really was shocked because I

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Speaker 1: had just dug up that Daniel Boone song just a

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Speaker 1: few days before, and honestly I never saw that that

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Speaker 1: TV show. It was awesome, the Daniel Boone and a

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Speaker 1: role that will astound you. Yes, we're gonna talk about

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Speaker 1: that more directly to Josh is right? Is a voice

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Speaker 1: that you've heard before coming in hot from the Bear

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Speaker 1: Honey Magazine Global headquarters, Colby Moore head try your voice. Hey,

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Speaker 1: So for people that wouldn't many of you might be

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Speaker 1: familiar with Kolby from my former podcast, the Bear Honey

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Speaker 1: Magazine podcast. Colby works for me at Bear Honey Magazine.

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Speaker 1: Colby is the genius behind Bear Honey magazine. He does

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Speaker 1: a ton of stuff. He's the wind beneath your wings

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Speaker 1: is the is the wind beneath my wings is Kobe,

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Speaker 1: the man who can give me Colby, sorry, Colby, the

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Speaker 1: a big ask. We'll talk later. Great to have you, Colby,

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Speaker 1: and then to Kolby's right. Hey, we're gonna call Seth

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Speaker 1: our guest of honor. I woul Okay, this is uh

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Speaker 1: many most of us know Seth from other places, but

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Speaker 1: this is my friend, Seth. Haynes and Seth had a

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Speaker 1: ought to get this book on archetypes, branding archetypes. What's

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Speaker 1: and then that's why I interviewed Seth, and I think

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Speaker 1: Burgher's podcast listeners and said what is an archetype, and

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Speaker 1: I had to do it. Good to have you, Seth. Hey,

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Speaker 1: I've been doing some mule training this week, boys, John

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Speaker 1: to I've tried to describe it. It He hit me

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Speaker 1: render the grease down, fat down to turn it into

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Speaker 1: grease for other things. My guess would be that there's

423
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Speaker 1: some use. Man, I expected more from a rider. Maybe

424
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 1: you just like maybe bears you're greasy. It makes that's good.

425
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,920
Speaker 1: You're you're right, that's that's the surface level you've hit

426
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 1: the surface. Bear grease is a metaphor. Okay, So bargrease

427
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: was at one time a really valuable commodity, both functionally

428
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 1: for cooking, for for all these different things. It was

429
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,679
Speaker 1: also used as a form of currency today, Seth Haynes,

430
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 1: if you asked, if you pulled America and said what

431
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:22,719
Speaker 1: is bargrease, you know how many people would even have

432
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 1: a reference point for what it is. But yet it's

433
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: functional use is still very much the same. And so

434
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 1: the the tagline of the Burghera's podcast is where we

435
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 1: explore things forgotten but relevant, search for insight in unlikely places,

436
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,959
Speaker 1: and tell the story of Americans who live their lives

437
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 1: close to the land. And so bear grease. Also, Seth,

438
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 1: if you will notice this holding the jar burg rease

439
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,160
Speaker 1: in my hands, folks, and there is about a two

440
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:57,360
Speaker 1: inch band of amber clear liquid and then below that

441
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: is a solid white lick. Would this is bear grease

442
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 1: that has separated and at that separation point, Um, many people,

443
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 1: including Native Americans, have used that to forecast the weather

444
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 1: because it moves with barometric pressure and it's highly nuanced.

445
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,199
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not saying that I really can, but

446
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: it does change about every day. There's my chart right there.

447
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get you on a chart. Um, bear grease

448
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 1: weather forecasting charge so insight and unlikely places. So bear

449
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 1: grease is a metaphor. Okay, So that's I just want

450
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 1: to say that because we're getting new listeners. Bear grease

451
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: is a metaphor for things forgotten but relevant. That's why

452
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 1: I interviewed Roy Clark, That's why I interviewed James Lawrence.

453
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: That's why we're talking about Daniel Boone. We're looking for

454
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: insight and unlikely places. That's why we're talking about how

455
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: snakes and this innate fear of us of snakes and

456
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: our mothers telling us not to do it is this

457
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 1: like bigger picture of of of how human relationships are

458
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: supposed to work. Don't pick up that snake and you

459
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 1: believe her because the snakes are scary, and you do

460
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: what she says and you trust her. Um, you know.

461
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: It's this bigger, bigger picture insight. So that is and

462
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: then this is the bear grease render, which is where

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00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 1: we so the act of taking solid bear fat like

464
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: raw bear fat, off of a freshly harvested bear, melting

465
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: it down into a liquid oil. It's called rendering. How

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Speaker 1: long does the render actually take? In your life? When

467
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 1: you're rendering bear grease? You can render bear fat very quickly,

468
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 1: like nine minutes. Really, yeah? Yeah, It is all depended

469
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,719
Speaker 1: upon temperature. Okay, give me the ten second process. How

470
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: you do it? You just okay, there's the way. The

471
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 1: best practice. I'm not even gonna give you best practice.

472
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 1: You take us a filet of white bear fat, which

473
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: it'll be on a fall bear, I mean could have

474
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: a lot of fat, cube it up into one inch cubes,

475
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: put it in a frying pan, a fry daddy, any

476
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 1: kind of source of heat. For I never rendered, it's

477
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: never rendered George's fat. Nope, never rendered fat into George.

478
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: And and basically it just melts down. And you'll have

479
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Speaker 1: about of it that does not melt down, that stays

480
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 1: is what we call a crackling. But the other eight

481
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 1: percent will turn in the liquid. The best way to

482
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Speaker 1: do it is to grind it. Grind it and you

483
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 1: have you get almost uh Colby, why do we say

484
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 1: Colby is my bear? Rendering you get about an if

485
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 1: you if you cube it, you get about an eight

486
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: percent return. If you grind it up, you get about

487
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 1: probably ninety five percent return. And slow seems to be

488
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 1: better too from what I hear. You like and the

489
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 1: the color of it comes out different depending on how

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00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 1: fast you cook it. Yeah, if you if you cook it,

491
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: if you cook it hot it'll be darker. If you

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00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 1: cook it really on low heat like two twenty five,

493
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: it'll be uh, it'll be much more solid. It'll it'll

494
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: be lighter. I'm telling you that low even heat of

495
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: a George Foreman. Boys, and George Foreman grils happen to

496
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: be one of our partners. We want to thank a

497
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: caterpillar man. Guys, I'm serious, man, I've got a song.

498
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, hey, um could could Burghers like the Render

499
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: also be chewing the fat? And it could have been?

500
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: Because that's another way to rent it. We should have

501
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: had you on the marketing team when there was a

502
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: movie and made a Northwest Passage Spencer Tracy. You ever

503
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: seen that movie? It's old man, it's like and Walter

504
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: Brennan is in that and the guy that played Dr

505
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: Welby and that show, Marcus Wellby. He also sold coffees

506
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: Mr Coffee Anyway, another another use for bagaras Walter Brennan.

507
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: Y'all know who Walter Brennon. We're not seventy okay, all right? Well,

508
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 1: to the folks out there that are in my age group,

509
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 1: which is fifty five and up, I would say is

510
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: uh he said that he told Robert Young, that was

511
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: the actor's name, Robert Young, Intendant says, man, what we're

512
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: gonna do about all these mosquitoes? And Walter brann said, ranched,

513
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: big Grease, Ranch, big Grease should put it on your arms,

514
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 1: and he keeps you all the mosquitoes away. That's Walter

515
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: Brennan in selling. I need you to come up with

516
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 1: a list of everything pre advant Costello I need to watch. Okay,

517
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: I'll make you a list. That was a pretty good impression.

518
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: Then we all know who you're talking about now that

519
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, hey, speaking of what did y'all think

520
00:32:56,080 --> 00:33:00,040
Speaker 1: about Josh being able to remember that Boon song? I

521
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: mean that was pretty impressive, right, yeah, yeah, Okay, what

522
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 1: y'all don't know yet is Josh is uh well, he's

523
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 1: played before on the on the Barrigaryship a little bit,

524
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: a little a little bit. But okay, this is the

525
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: this is the segue into us talking about the Boon podcast.

526
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: Josh has a little song for us, a little something

527
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: out of the archives. Yeah, okay, here we go here.

528
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 1: Daniel Boone was a man, yes, a big man were then,

529
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: not like an eagle and as tall as a mountain.

530
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 1: Was he that's right. Daniel Boone was a man, yes,

531
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: a big man. He was bravey, He was foodless and

532
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: as tough as a mighty tree. Seeing it brother from

533
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: the coonskin cap on the top of old and to

534
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:09,720
Speaker 1: the heel of his raw jew the ripping, this roaring,

535
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: his fightingness man the frontier rebonue. Daniel Boone was a man, yes,

536
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 1: a begg man, and he fought for America to make

537
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: all Americans free. What a boon? Was a great sam

538
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 1: coming true? Was he? Daniel Boone was a man, yes,

539
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: a beg man with a whoop and a holler. He

540
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: can move down the forest of tree. That's right, with

541
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 1: a knife and a gun. He never did fail. There

542
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: was nothing for the bread, not team the lamb relays,

543
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: a big white liberty till Histories Hall of Fame. Daniel

544
00:34:55,040 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 1: Boone was a man, yes, a be man. Will the

545
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 1: dream Mama country that would always forever be free? What

546
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 1: a boone want to do? I want to dream coming true?

547
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 1: That's right? What a boone want to do? What a

548
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: dream coming true? Was he? That is he's no washboard player,

549
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 1: but pretty good. Oh man, that was awesome. That was awesome,

550
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 1: So perfect, perfect segue into Yeah, when Josh sank so

551
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: on the first of the podcast, when Josh sang that song,

552
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 1: there were two things. It says Daniel Boone was a

553
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:52,320
Speaker 1: was his man, a big man, big, and Daniel Boone

554
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: was five ft eight and way a hundred and seventy. Well,

555
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 1: fess Parker wasn't best. Parker was about six three and

556
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 1: he was a big he was a big man. Yeah,

557
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: he also wasn't Daniel Boone. And then uh, it says

558
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: that Daniel Boone wore a coonskin cap, which that was

559
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: just like total Hollywood come from the well Davy Crockett,

560
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 1: as I understand it, as I understand it, did Fest

561
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:24,800
Speaker 1: Parker played Davy Crockett too, No wonder so the same

562
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: Hollywood actor played Davy Crockett and Daniel Boone, the real

563
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 1: Davy Crockett. I think war a coon skin cap, Alex,

564
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: let me know if I'm wrong. And uh, and and

565
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 1: then so when Hollywood got ahold of Daniel Boone, I mean,

566
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 1: of course he's gonna wear a coonskin cap. Are you

567
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: saying that we cannot trust Hollywood? I've never said it, Dan,

568
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 1: because my whole life is based on life. Well that

569
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 1: that is so great because this this part one of

570
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: the series is kind of debunking some of the the

571
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:02,359
Speaker 1: myth and presenting that did to the people that there

572
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: is a lot of Boone's life that is mythologized and

573
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: is there's there's lots of stories like you read this

574
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 1: Boon biography Robert Morgan, and he he every single story

575
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:19,399
Speaker 1: there they you know, he tells all the facts and

576
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: all the potential reasons why it's true, and you know,

577
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 1: he kind of leaves some room for this probably may

578
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 1: not have happened, or it may have, but there's a

579
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: whole lot of that, And um, what's so interesting in

580
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: Robert Morgan, I feel like he's kind of the main

581
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 1: one that introduced this idea though to the world, which

582
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 1: is introduced it to us and we say it now

583
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 1: like it's fact, is that the real Boon was way

584
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: cooler than the myth of Boon. I mean, he's one

585
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 1: of these guys that didn't need fancy stories told about him,

586
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: because when you really see what he did and who

587
00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 1: he was, it's pretty wild, you know. But the closest

588
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: modern representation I have of Daniel Boone is Brent Reeves.

589
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 1: He would wear he would wear overalls, there's no doubt.

590
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: Well definitely. Well what here's what I got out of that,

591
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 1: especially like when you talk about Mr Morgan's book and

592
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: I read that the the Daniel Boone that people fictitiously

593
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: wrote about was girl Stacker every day living. What do

594
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 1: you mean he he lived the life that Girl Stacker lived,

595
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:40,359
Speaker 1: the life that people fantasized Daniel Boone did. But who

596
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 1: was I think Steven Nellis said, you know he would.

597
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 1: They wouldn't the only folks doing that though. You know

598
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: they talked about dressed in buckskins and you know, well,

599
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: Daniel Boone dressed in in buckskins was so did his plumber.

600
00:38:53,480 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 1: So the guy throw everybody. But it's took me that

601
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 1: the majority of the things that were written about were

602
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: about Daniel Boone. They were written about him later on

603
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 1: in life, when Gerstacker was writing letters home and the

604
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 1: stuff we get from him was written by him. And

605
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: yet everybody has heard of Daniel Boone, but nobody's ever

606
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:20,320
Speaker 1: heard of Gerstacker, and Gerstacker has a stack of facts

607
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: to back up the stuff that he did. Yeah, yeah,

608
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: that was It was very interesting too. If you think

609
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 1: about Gerstalker, which was from our episode four death of

610
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: a bear Hunter, a guy that was here in Arkansas.

611
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: Seth is that Gerstalker probably came to America, and this

612
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 1: is total speculation. He probably came to America because of Boone,

613
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,439
Speaker 1: like he came in the eighteen thirties, seventeen years after

614
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: Dan's death, and by that time Dan was famous in Europe,

615
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: big time famous, and so people would have heard of

616
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: the Frontier and Daniel Boone and basically Gerstalker came and

617
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: he never said it, but they all did. They wanted

618
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: to be like Daniel Boone's shows you. That shows you

619
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 1: the power of an inspirational myth. I mean, if you're

620
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: saying that all of this and much of this is

621
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 1: based in mythology of lore of Daniel Boone, and then

622
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 1: people say like, I wanna, I wanna be like that,

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Speaker 1: I want to do I mean, it shows you the

624
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,240
Speaker 1: inspirational power of myth. And that's the thing that's gone

625
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: from tim and memorial. People look for these great, big

626
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: myths to follow, and Boone's in that line. He's the myth.

627
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and if he was one of the most

628
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: talked about and written about, especially all over the world.

629
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Speaker 1: Who it's a good fact that are a good chance

630
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 1: if that's who he was trying to emulate. Yeah, yeah,

631
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: and and and you know Boone was the real deal.

632
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think you're saying that Boone was

633
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 1: he was? Yeah, Dan, what was your what was Did

634
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:49,320
Speaker 1: you know much about Boone? If I had stuck the

635
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: microphone in your face and said, who was Daniel Boone?

636
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,760
Speaker 1: Know what was interesting for me is I had watched

637
00:40:54,880 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 1: Actually a UM Who Made American Friends the other day

638
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 1: and I was honestly kind of unimpressed with the amount

639
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 1: of detail they gave. Well, I did because this is

640
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 1: the first however many years. This is kind of the

641
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 1: first chapter of Daniel's life. Is what you covered in

642
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 1: this first podcast? And that show, from what I remember,

643
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: kind of covered the middle to the tail in so

644
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,879
Speaker 1: I didn't know any of of this stuff for these

645
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:26,839
Speaker 1: dynamics UM. So it was it was really interesting. Any

646
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: any of it stand out to you is cool. Like

647
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 1: for an example, when I read this book years ago

648
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: with no never thought I'd be making a Boon podcast.

649
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I was just reading it totally out of interest.

650
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 1: I remembered probably three stories from this book that that

651
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 1: I just probably would have never forgotten my whole life,

652
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 1: and one of them was Boone's potentially illegitimate daughter. Like

653
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 1: when I talked about Daniel Boone. Now I've done a

654
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: ton of research since then, but before, like if I

655
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 1: just met you on the street randomly, if I walked

656
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: across your yard and met you and your y'all art Dan,

657
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: I'd be like, hey, Daniel Boone guy, and I would

658
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 1: have said, did you know that he went on a

659
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: hunting trip one time? For two years? But that story

660
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: have been embellished, That's the big question. Told the story correctly? Yeah, Yeah,

661
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 1: that would have been nice. If no, I'm just I'm

662
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: saying there there that stories to that? What stories stood

663
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 1: that to you? You know, um, cultural kind of anthropology

664
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: is my background. So what stood out to me was

665
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 1: when the Robert Morgan who who wrote that book, when

666
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 1: he talked about the culture of the Indians and if

667
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 1: you of of of Native American people and if you

668
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: were going to dwell with them, there was an expectation

669
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 1: that you would dwell in a tent and and probably

670
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 1: have relations with a with one of their women. That

671
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:51,399
Speaker 1: was just kind of that was very eye opening to me.

672
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,760
Speaker 1: And if and if Daniel was a man who seemed

673
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: adept at understanding culture and interri into groups. So but

674
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 1: it creates mentioned in me because I want him to

675
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: be kind of going off what Seth has been saying,

676
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 1: there's this person that I want him to be, and

677
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: it's not just a frontiersman who you know, conquered and

678
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 1: defended America, but it's a man of integrity. I mean,

679
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 1: you're taught. You spend so much time kind of addressing

680
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 1: these valid concerns that Alex you know, had, and part

681
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: of that is because integrity is important, you know. And

682
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: so when I Daniel Boone fits an archetype for me

683
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 1: that I want to emulate and be in some ways,

684
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 1: I want him to be a man of integrity. Part

685
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 1: of that to me means being faithful to my wife,

686
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 1: and so it does. But as a cultural that just

687
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 1: the way I would have said. Man, when Robert brings

688
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: that up, it's like, oh my goodness, like he could

689
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: have actually just been when I thought, I know, the

690
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:57,320
Speaker 1: look on his face like fighting words. Well, listen, what's

691
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 1: wild is that there's accounts. Okay, one time Boone, when

692
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 1: he was at his home with Rebecca, the neighbor's husband

693
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:10,919
Speaker 1: had gone off somewhere and they were they they ran

694
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: out of food, and there's a story of Boone going

695
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:17,760
Speaker 1: to their house and giving him food. When the man

696
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: comes home, the woman says, Daniel Boone came by. He

697
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 1: gave us some food. And the man comes and confronts

698
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 1: Daniel Boone. And this is a story that we believe

699
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:32,720
Speaker 1: to be true. And and Dan, and the guy basically

700
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: accuses Dan of flirting with his wife. Dan will have

701
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 1: no part of it and whips him. I mean, like Dan,

702
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 1: Dan Boone would fistfight you as about as quick as

703
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 1: I mean he was. He wasn't hot tempered, he was

704
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 1: he was a Quaker, but there are multiple accounts of

705
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: him just flat whooping somebody. And he whooped his neighbor

706
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:57,839
Speaker 1: who accused him of flirting with his wife and friends.

707
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 1: You feel like I know the guy, man, I don't know.

708
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 1: He no, you know. That's a great point that and yeah,

709
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 1: and there it's not we don't know that Boone had

710
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:25,800
Speaker 1: a He could add too. He lived with the Shawnees,

711
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: And we'll get into this probably in episode two. Maybe

712
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:31,359
Speaker 1: we may go further than two episodes. I don't know,

713
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: but he he lived with a Shawnee and was actually

714
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 1: adopted as a Shawnee Indian for four He lived with

715
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: him for four months, and Shawnee's visited him in Missouri

716
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 1: when he was an old man, like he had like

717
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 1: real friendship with these people. You got to take into

718
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: account to that. You know that it wasn't a situation

719
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: of when in Rome do as the Romans due. He

720
00:45:55,600 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: was in a situation where where that was the culture. Yeah,

721
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 1: if if any of that was true, he was having

722
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: to live every day. You know, these folks wasn't getting

723
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 1: up and worrying about what they were going to do

724
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 1: next week. They were worrying about how are we going

725
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 1: to make it through today and tonight and then tomorrow.

726
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:17,720
Speaker 1: And if he's got to go along with whatever culture

727
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 1: is there, I mean, let's see, that's a problem though. Yeah,

728
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 1: that's a problem. It's a big problem. I mean, I mean,

729
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 1: and and I'm and you can make bold declarations on

730
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 1: this side of history. When that doesn't I will never

731
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 1: in my life be in this situation. I would have

732
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,280
Speaker 1: just said go ahead and kill me. Boys. My value

733
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: system is more important than that. I mean, I'm being honest.

734
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,280
Speaker 1: I think I would say that. Now I realized that

735
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 1: it's real easy to be like bold and have this valor,

736
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 1: but like, that's that's what I would want to say.

737
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 1: You would too, Dan, absolutely, But then you you you

738
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 1: have to ask yourself is that armchair valor? And yeah,

739
00:46:57,880 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 1: you know, and I had I felt like I had

740
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 1: to say just because it's like, because if we say, well,

741
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: if you're in this culture and you just do what

742
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: that culture does, then you just have this really loose

743
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 1: value system. It's not necessarily a valid reason, or it's

744
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:14,439
Speaker 1: not a valid reason at all. But you just gotta

745
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: put yourself in that or you can't put you you

746
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 1: can't put yourself in that spot. You can't put yourself

747
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 1: in as you call him, Dan's spot, because maybe they

748
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: wouldn't have killed him. I mean, like the worst case

749
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:34,720
Speaker 1: scenario in that situation is they would have been like okay,

750
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 1: I mean they would have found a reason to have

751
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 1: killed you, which is very probable. Um, But anyway, I'm

752
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 1: I'm I'm not suggesting that anybody who wouldn't, you know,

753
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: partake of that would have been immediately killed. It wasn't

754
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: like that, but it was if you valued your life,

755
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,799
Speaker 1: you stayed on their good side, if you were their

756
00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: captive and I think there's two. You got a group

757
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 1: of people who you know there, it's in all likelihood

758
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 1: it's gonna they're they're forming identity in in terms of interdependence.

759
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 1: And so you've got insiders and outsiders, and that's discerned

760
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 1: by very practical, tangible behaviors. If you're an insider, you

761
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 1: do like we do, and and and and and Mr

762
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 1: Morgan said, you know, if if you didn't engage in

763
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 1: that kind of activity as a guest, it was like,

764
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,919
Speaker 1: you're too good for us. You're an outsider. And so

765
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 1: it it does make you think. I mean, it was

766
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,359
Speaker 1: in a cop that's a complex. It is for real,

767
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:41,280
Speaker 1: um man. I don't want to gloss over that. Robert Morgan,

768
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 1: both of my guests on this podcast. I was explaining

769
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: this to somebody, and I was like, if you were

770
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 1: just think of the biggest media company in America, if

771
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 1: you were X, and they said we're commissioning you to

772
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 1: get the top. You know, Boon and I'm not saying

773
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 1: that are the s Boone expert. There's a lot of Boone.

774
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:05,360
Speaker 1: There's lots of Boone experts in Kentucky. There's Boon experts

775
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 1: all over. So they're not the only ones. But you

776
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 1: couldn't have picked better guys than Robert Morgan. Robert Morgan's

777
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 1: in his mid seventies. And I'll tell you a story.

778
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 1: We were unsure if he was I said this on

779
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:22,800
Speaker 1: the podcast. We were unsure, like if he was active

780
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,399
Speaker 1: at all. And anyway, I looked on it. I've looked

781
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: him up. He had a website. Emailed him and within

782
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 1: hours he was like, please come to my house. And

783
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: this is a He's an incredible guy, very humble, like

784
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 1: he's a professor at Cornell University. And I would have

785
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:43,320
Speaker 1: only known Cornell just kind of through the office. And Andy,

786
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:49,479
Speaker 1: Andy is a graduate of Cornell. Did you if Andy

787
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 1: was in his class? And he probably gave you a

788
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 1: blank st He was very humble, and he's from Appalachia,

789
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 1: He's from North Carolina. But it was like such a

790
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 1: great honor to sit with Morgan. What a great guy.

791
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: And then I mean, it was awesome to talk with

792
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 1: Steve about Boone. But I mean Steve is he's engaging

793
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:10,360
Speaker 1: to talk with and he knows so much about Boone

794
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 1: and more than he knows the facts about Boone, like

795
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 1: Steve was able to put Boone in context so well

796
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 1: you know, um and uh so Morgan you know, kind

797
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 1: of had the details and could just walk through his

798
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 1: life without any you know, he wrote this years ago.

799
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 1: And uh, anyway, Nigua Seth, what did you think? Well,

800
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:33,240
Speaker 1: first of all, I don't know as much about Daniel

801
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 1: Boone as you are probably anybody here. So it was

802
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 1: fascinating to me when you wanted to talk to me

803
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 1: about archetypes because at that whole boy, I'm not gonna

804
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: have anything to add about Daniel Boone. But I tell

805
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:45,319
Speaker 1: you what was fascinating to me about the art, the

806
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:50,439
Speaker 1: podcast and the discussion of archetypes, uh, was how you

807
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:54,800
Speaker 1: used archetypes to tell to make connections, to tell stories

808
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:57,800
Speaker 1: about who Boon was. And so it helped me understand

809
00:50:57,840 --> 00:50:59,919
Speaker 1: the myth. And I think I've actually texted you about

810
00:50:59,920 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 1: the a little bit. When you, you you know, use the

811
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 1: example of of Jesus going to the temple and his

812
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 1: parents going and looking for him, and when you talked

813
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 1: about and that was that was an excerpt from Morgan's book. Okay,

814
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 1: all right? And then what who was it? That was

815
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 1: it Morgan that talked about Moses's vision? Yeah? All that

816
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 1: all that was in in in Morgan's book, it's unbelievable.

817
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 1: So so you look at at Boone and you say, oh,

818
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 1: this is why he's so identifiable, because he he sort

819
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: of matches up with all these stories. We know, all

820
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 1: these stories that seem to recur through. I'm gonna I'm

821
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: gonna go real highbrow here, and I am going to

822
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 1: quote some science fiction because I know that there's a

823
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 1: lot of crossover. I'm sure with your audience and science

824
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 1: fiction folks, maybe maybe there's a lot o Black Panthers

825
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 1: considered science fiction. But there's this old there's this old

826
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 1: sci fi television show I love called Battlestar Galactica came

827
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 1: out in two thousand, and they say, over and over again, Uh,

828
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 1: everything that has happened will happen again. And what they're

829
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 1: is saying, in the storytelling way is all these stories

830
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 1: that we see, they recur over and over and over again,

831
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 1: the story of creation, fall, you know, rebellion, uh, and rebirth,

832
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 1: and they happen over and over again. And I think

833
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,319
Speaker 1: that's what was so powerful to me about thinking of

834
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 1: of Daniel Boon through an archetypal lens, was that, oh, yeah,

835
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: like that makes sense because I know that story or

836
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 1: I know that story, or I know that story. I

837
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:36,360
Speaker 1: can place him, um, you know, as a character because

838
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:39,840
Speaker 1: I understand all these other stories, all these other characters

839
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:43,919
Speaker 1: that have existed before. Then tell us about the the cat,

840
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 1: the cat, cat, the cat, the cat story that saved

841
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 1: the Cat. Oh yeah, so there's this, Uh, I can't

842
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 1: remember the know you brought up cats on the last one. Guys,

843
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 1: I'm somewhat of a cat fanatic cucumber. Go ahead, No,

844
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 1: it ties into seth archetype. So there's a wonderful book

845
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 1: out there. It's called Save the Cat, and I think

846
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 1: of the subtitles like for novels or something. Save the

847
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 1: Cat writes a novel and it's basically um. The author

848
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 1: I can't remember her name, but what she does she

849
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 1: goes through all several different genres of very popular UM novels,

850
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: and they've a lot have been made into movies. And

851
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 1: so the story arcs, she would say, there's some similar

852
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 1: to twelve archetypes stories. There's there's a certain number of

853
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 1: kind of typical story arcs. And in those arcs there

854
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:38,320
Speaker 1: particular she calls them beats. And so each each story

855
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,800
Speaker 1: has these the stories that really compel us and grab

856
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:45,399
Speaker 1: us and like Gladiator. You know, things things like that

857
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:50,280
Speaker 1: have these particular beats, and once once you are aware

858
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 1: of these beats, you really do see them in lots

859
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: of lots of movies and lots of things. And so

860
00:53:56,200 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 1: one of the beats is where the main hero, the agonist,

861
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:03,280
Speaker 1: at the very beginning, at the outset of the story,

862
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 1: he you know, he or she will quote unquote save

863
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 1: the cat or it's this kind of innocuous, fairly unrelated

864
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 1: supposedly to the broader picture. The hero does something really nice. Okay,

865
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 1: so he doesn't necessarily have to save the cat. And

866
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 1: I can't remember the actual movie, but there are actually

867
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 1: later The reason why she calls it save the cat

868
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,879
Speaker 1: is because in whatever movie it is that that's a

869
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 1: good example. That's a good example. The hero does something

870
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 1: really kind, which is really similar you know, in in

871
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 1: what Seth is talking About and and what Uh and

872
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:37,800
Speaker 1: Mark Robert Morgan in that book is like this appeal

873
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 1: of the individual goes off by themself, you know where

874
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 1: where Daniel Boone was out and he was gone too long,

875
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:46,879
Speaker 1: his mom didn't know where he was, and turns out

876
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 1: he was fine all by himself. He killed this spar

877
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 1: and was sitting by fire and look, boys, here's some

878
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 1: meat for you. And it's just like we look at

879
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 1: Jesus and Luke chapter two, It's like, wait, where did

880
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 1: you go? Oh? He was fine, you know. But the

881
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:05,359
Speaker 1: interesting thing culturally is like a Hebrew reader and here

882
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 1: of that story in Luke would not look at it

883
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 1: and say, oh, wow, he went off by himself, and

884
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 1: that really kind of that that really kind of resonates

885
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:17,959
Speaker 1: with me and appeals to me. A Hebrew reader here

886
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 1: of that story in the Gospels would say, wow, he

887
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:24,839
Speaker 1: claimed to be from a different group when he said

888
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 1: I was when Jesus said, I was in my father's house.

889
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 1: So it's a totally is that what Boone did? When

890
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 1: I mean the analogy, I mean, is that what Boone

891
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 1: was doing when he said, guys, I'm cool, I'm here.

892
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 1: I thought I was on the same you know, I'm

893
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 1: not sure what Boone would have done. But culture, culture

894
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 1: really determines what we see and we don't even know.

895
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 1: It's kind of a tacit lens that sits there and

896
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 1: we look through it and we look at Daniel Boone's

897
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:54,399
Speaker 1: life and it's like, oh, really, like these aspects of him,

898
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 1: and we tend to kind of minimize these other ones.

899
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 1: And I think what's key about what you just said

900
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 1: too is like when you as we as Westerners, as Americans,

901
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:05,800
Speaker 1: we interpret that as the explorer. I mean, there's an archetype,

902
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 1: the explore archetype. And what does the explorer want to do.

903
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 1: They want to go out, they want to find freedom,

904
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 1: they want to fight for their freedom, they want to

905
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:14,840
Speaker 1: you know, enjoy their freedom. Um. I mean when you

906
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 1: look at the way the Morgan excerpt reads, it was,

907
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 1: you know, this christ figure coming from Heaven coming to

908
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:25,759
Speaker 1: this new, unexplored territory and saying, I'm gonna go where

909
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:27,879
Speaker 1: I I know I can connect, you know. And it's

910
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 1: uh Moses when he walks out saying, I'm going to

911
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 1: bring the people to the place through the desert. I'm

912
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:34,839
Speaker 1: gonna go explore and bring the people to the place

913
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 1: where I know they can connect with God even though

914
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 1: I don't get to go there. And and then with

915
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 1: with Boon, it's I'm gonna go to the place where

916
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 1: I know it's unknown. I'm gonna fight from my freedom,

917
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 1: but I know I can go out there and connect.

918
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 1: And I mean again he's using Morgan is using those

919
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 1: those just cultural hooks to help us understand like, oh, yeah,

920
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:56,359
Speaker 1: this is who he this is who he was, because

921
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 1: this is the way that we interpret story. Yeah, call me,

922
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 1: what do you think? Man? Before I do that, there's

923
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 1: an elephant in the room. Oh, here's the thing he

924
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 1: talked about the office. He's talking about Battlestar Galactic. Dan

925
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:11,959
Speaker 1: is over here talking about beats and we talked about

926
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 1: bears bears set. Wow. Wow, there was a bullet in

927
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 1: this magnum shooting to the roof. That's like six degrees

928
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 1: of Kevin Bacon. That was Ken Bacon. It's killing me

929
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 1: over here. I was just like everyone has been listening

930
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 1: to have to talk to well you Dwight for the

931
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 1: rest of the episode. Alright, alright, yeah, Kobe, Kobe, uh

932
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 1: you what do you think of it? Man? Man? I

933
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 1: stood out to you. I really liked it. You know,

934
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of things that that stood out.

935
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 1: But I think that the as there's two things. One

936
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 1: thing is the aspect of where he was weighing out

937
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 1: different cultural things between in the Indians and you know,

938
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 1: white men, where he was looking at just what wealth

939
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 1: is you know, contrasting those So just looking at the

940
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 1: cultural norms inside of my life of what I perceived

941
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 1: as value, you know. So so it's like, whenever I

942
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 1: listened to something, I listened from the lens of is

943
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 1: there something that I can get out of it that

944
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 1: overlays my life? That could you know, maybe like pull

945
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 1: off some hedgemon that I just believe, Right, So that's one.

946
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 1: The other one would be um let let me comment

947
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 1: on that. So that section that was an excerpt that

948
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 1: I read from Morgan's book about um the contrast between

949
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 1: the European and Native American worldview, and it talked about

950
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 1: how the Native Americans thought Europeans were crazy. I thought

951
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 1: they were insane for trying to trying to pursue wealth,

952
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 1: like I mean, I think maybe we all got it

953
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 1: in that moment, But if you actually think about that,

954
00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 1: it's like very rational, very like if you lived off

955
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 1: the land like Native Americans did, and people came here

956
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 1: and we're in search of precious metals which were of

957
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 1: like zero, I mean, like if we had a bar

958
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 1: of gold out here in the mountains, setting by our

959
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 1: campfire when we were deer hunting, trying to live off

960
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 1: dear meat. It would be like, bro, don't put that

961
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 1: on the mule. Yeah, I mean like like so when

962
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 1: you tell us that sounds wild, but it actually is

963
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 1: much more of a kind of primitive you know, ideology.

964
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 1: But it's a wild because our lives as Westerners, it

965
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 1: really is. It's sad. It revolves around accumulation of wealth

966
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:49,440
Speaker 1: and and those that section of the book that was

967
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 1: one of the sections ten years ago that I remembered

968
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 1: Boone's ill illegitimate daughter, and then the Native American worldview

969
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 1: was one of one of many. Yeah, it makes you evaluate.

970
00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 1: It's like, what are we doing here? What were we doing? Guys?

971
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 1: I think that what what that jogged in my memory was.

972
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 1: I remember when I was doing my research, my PhD research.

973
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 1: There's a study little guys call me doctor um. There's

974
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:16,040
Speaker 1: a study out there called Culture and Research Resource Conflict.

975
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 1: I can't remember who wrote it, but there's the They

976
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 1: looked at manimity Indians in Wisconsin and white you know,

977
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 1: American sportsmen and how they viewed nature different. And so

978
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 1: the boil the whole book down in the nutshell is

979
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:35,320
Speaker 1: like the white hunters wanted to quote unquote conquer nature,

980
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:39,640
Speaker 1: whereas the Native people's the manimity. Indians and in this

981
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 1: area really saw themselves as a part of it and

982
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:47,120
Speaker 1: that and that was the source of them looking at

983
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:49,959
Speaker 1: each other and thinking you're crazy, along with of course

984
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:53,520
Speaker 1: a history of the semmic, you know, discrimination in genocide,

985
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 1: all kinds of other things. But fundamentally they viewed reality different.

986
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 1: You couldn't have had two groups of people meet in

987
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:06,640
Speaker 1: the woods that would have had different ways of thinking.

988
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 1: I mean wild, yeah, and they're doing this, they're engaged

989
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 1: in the same activities, so they're they're hunting, their gathering,

990
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:18,720
Speaker 1: you know, in the case of Daniel Boone, he's engaging

991
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:23,640
Speaker 1: in their activity. That's why Boone is Boone. And what

992
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:26,960
Speaker 1: Morgan and you know, I talked with Mr Morgan for

993
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:33,080
Speaker 1: three hours and you guys are gonna hear maybe forty

994
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:36,840
Speaker 1: five minutes of that conversation. Um. He talked about how

995
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:42,240
Speaker 1: the Native Americans had way bigger impact on modern American

996
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:46,320
Speaker 1: culture than we give them credit for, because he said, like,

997
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 1: for instance, and we said this, like these Europeans came

998
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 1: over here, they didn't know a lick about hunting because

999
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:55,480
Speaker 1: they weren't able to hunt in Europe because of the

1000
01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:59,440
Speaker 1: systems are you know, just the hierarchy of the nobility

1001
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:03,200
Speaker 1: hunting commoners coming over here. It would be like, I mean,

1002
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 1: imagine being a new adult onset hunter thirty five years old,

1003
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 1: showing up and having to make a living off hunting.

1004
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 1: You wouldn't know much. Native Americans taught taught, taught these

1005
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:18,360
Speaker 1: men how to hunt. They watched. But Boone, he was

1006
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 1: drawn to the Native Americans from the beginning. Did you

1007
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:26,560
Speaker 1: just use the phrase adult onset hunter medical conditions terminal

1008
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:35,480
Speaker 1: if you're not successful term um. So they had a big,

1009
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:38,800
Speaker 1: big influence and that's what made Boone who he was like.

1010
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 1: It really did like he and you'll see in these

1011
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:46,920
Speaker 1: next couple of episodes how the Native American worldview so

1012
01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 1: influenced him. And Boone did a whole bunch of stuff

1013
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 1: that really he probably shouldn't get credit for. And it's

1014
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 1: not because he didn't do it, but it's because it

1015
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:58,640
Speaker 1: wasn't necessarily his intent. Like when Boone went through the

1016
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 1: Cumberland Gap and started settling in Kentucky, he wasn't thinking

1017
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:07,000
Speaker 1: of an American empire that he was the spear point

1018
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:11,200
Speaker 1: of the dude wanted some good deer hunting. He wasn't

1019
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:14,880
Speaker 1: looking to expand anything except his hunting ground. I mean

1020
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:17,680
Speaker 1: that is he he wanted a place for his family

1021
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 1: to live where that he could get away from, you know,

1022
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 1: some of the pressures back home. But like he was

1023
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 1: not like man, I am a patriot. Actually will learn

1024
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 1: that he wasn't much of a He really wasn't that

1025
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:34,120
Speaker 1: much of a patriot. He went back and forth. He

1026
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:37,000
Speaker 1: was tried by the Americans for treason because they thought

1027
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:39,680
Speaker 1: he was a Tory, and they thought he was in

1028
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:42,680
Speaker 1: coops with the Native Americans, which the French in the

1029
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:45,960
Speaker 1: Native in the Native Americans were to working together to

1030
01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:48,880
Speaker 1: keep the Americans out of the West. Man. So the

1031
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:53,480
Speaker 1: real life Daniel Boone really really didn't he would the

1032
01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:57,600
Speaker 1: narrative of yeah, I mean like he fought for America

1033
01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 1: to make all Americans free, No, sir, He was a

1034
01:04:01,160 --> 01:04:04,120
Speaker 1: teamster in the French and Indian War. To make a living.

1035
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:07,600
Speaker 1: He was a truck driver, being a teamster. That essentially

1036
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:10,600
Speaker 1: because my grandfather was a teamster. And I always wonder

1037
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:12,960
Speaker 1: where did that name come from? Like why do they

1038
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:14,720
Speaker 1: call him teamsters? And that put I put two and

1039
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:17,120
Speaker 1: two to two and two together. When he had horses

1040
01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:19,600
Speaker 1: and mules and he was a truck driver. Oh and

1041
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:26,760
Speaker 1: he called himself a team teams and I was wondered

1042
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:29,920
Speaker 1: why they were just his motivations were not as like

1043
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:34,640
Speaker 1: pure as what the archetype would suggest, you know, yeah,

1044
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:37,080
Speaker 1: or the myth. I mean I I was looking at

1045
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:39,120
Speaker 1: these lyrics too, right when you started singing right that

1046
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:43,080
Speaker 1: the who he actually was didn't match with the myth

1047
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:45,080
Speaker 1: that we've made him out to be. And I mean,

1048
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:46,760
Speaker 1: I think that goes back to what we were talking

1049
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:50,000
Speaker 1: about in our conversation about you know, humans are terribly complex.

1050
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:53,880
Speaker 1: It's you know, we're not just archetypes. It's easy to

1051
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:57,200
Speaker 1: boil everyone down in this room to a certain archetypal,

1052
01:04:57,480 --> 01:05:01,400
Speaker 1: you know, type or character, but we're all complex, We're

1053
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:04,040
Speaker 1: all the you know. In some circles, you may be uh,

1054
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:06,400
Speaker 1: you know, a complete the scene as a complete rebel,

1055
01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:10,000
Speaker 1: and there's a complete lover and another's a fierce explorer.

1056
01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:13,280
Speaker 1: And and that's what I think made the first episode

1057
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:15,560
Speaker 1: to me so impactful, was because you start to see

1058
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:18,160
Speaker 1: these layers. And I can't wait for the second episode

1059
01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 1: to see those layers because I think it's it does

1060
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:24,440
Speaker 1: help to deconstruct some of the mythology that that frankly,

1061
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:26,440
Speaker 1: he helps make him more of a man, more of

1062
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:29,160
Speaker 1: a human, more of a person, less of a myth

1063
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:36,880
Speaker 1: tall tale. Yeah yeah, I really that Onceeth said that

1064
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:39,400
Speaker 1: made me think about the the the layers of who

1065
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:42,000
Speaker 1: he was. The the impacting story to me and that

1066
01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:46,160
Speaker 1: just you know, my family is is something that I've

1067
01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:47,760
Speaker 1: put a lot of emphasis on, doo and you know,

1068
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:50,880
Speaker 1: building my marriage and and building my family with my children.

1069
01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:53,200
Speaker 1: The story that really impacted me was the one with

1070
01:05:53,240 --> 01:05:55,880
Speaker 1: his son where he was. They were on the river

1071
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 1: bank camping. Um even like the sun shooting the deer,

1072
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 1: and it was there was a bear shooting the bear.

1073
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:10,320
Speaker 1: Yeah that's right, Um, his son killed the buck and uh,

1074
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:13,400
Speaker 1: you know Daniel heard the shot, came back and was like,

1075
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:15,240
Speaker 1: let's find this. You know, there was there was this

1076
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:19,080
Speaker 1: sense of camaraderie over this thing that that Daniel would

1077
01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:21,880
Speaker 1: have loved so much to experience that with his son.

1078
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:25,600
Speaker 1: And then and then the position of being a father

1079
01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:29,480
Speaker 1: and a protector, being aware and alert to hear the

1080
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:35,080
Speaker 1: chops of the Native American hatchets across the river and saying, okay,

1081
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:38,280
Speaker 1: here's the game plan, here's what we're gonna do. I

1082
01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:42,680
Speaker 1: love seeing that. I imagine if one of us had

1083
01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:45,800
Speaker 1: that story, we're literally life and death. Like none of us.

1084
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 1: We just live in such a different world. But like,

1085
01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:51,960
Speaker 1: imagine if Dan had his story going out with his

1086
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:57,200
Speaker 1: dad and people that would have killed him or kidnapped

1087
01:06:57,280 --> 01:07:00,760
Speaker 1: him for life, or at minimums stole in a bunch

1088
01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:02,440
Speaker 1: of his stuff. I mean, that was pretty common and

1089
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:06,440
Speaker 1: and I can't cast judgment on their intentions, but usually

1090
01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:10,840
Speaker 1: it wasn't good intentions. Uh yeah. During that story, I

1091
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:12,120
Speaker 1: think one of the things that kind of gave me

1092
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:14,520
Speaker 1: chills was whenever they were in the canoe and he

1093
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:16,240
Speaker 1: just pushed off and he put his head to where

1094
01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:19,360
Speaker 1: you see under the fog, and that statements like I

1095
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:21,160
Speaker 1: see what people think about him were like how they

1096
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:24,120
Speaker 1: view him that particular way, Like it was like some

1097
01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:26,120
Speaker 1: some scales coming off of his son's eyes of like

1098
01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:28,400
Speaker 1: I see you a little differently right now, you know,

1099
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:31,280
Speaker 1: And just even thinking about times inside of my life

1100
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:33,480
Speaker 1: of like how I viewed my dad at different times

1101
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:37,439
Speaker 1: of stages of life. Think about how masterful that move

1102
01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:41,200
Speaker 1: was though, I mean, how he did that, like it

1103
01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:46,040
Speaker 1: was super very calculated, because I I thought, man you're

1104
01:07:46,040 --> 01:07:49,400
Speaker 1: hearing those chops, let's go. You know, why why why

1105
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:51,240
Speaker 1: wouldn't he have gone? I thought about that. Why didn't

1106
01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:53,720
Speaker 1: they just leave? Well? It was dark. It was dark.

1107
01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:56,080
Speaker 1: You can't see anything. I think you gotta move slower.

1108
01:07:56,120 --> 01:07:57,840
Speaker 1: You're gonna make a ton of noise. You know. I

1109
01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:00,160
Speaker 1: would have just panicked and ran. But one thing that

1110
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:03,040
Speaker 1: is that Okay, that's right. It was it was dark,

1111
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:05,240
Speaker 1: and they would have wrecked. The head lamps are probably

1112
01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:08,360
Speaker 1: out of batteries. So one of the things that touched

1113
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:13,080
Speaker 1: me about it though, was when the Sun said that

1114
01:08:13,160 --> 01:08:16,400
Speaker 1: was you know, he shot that buck and Daniel came

1115
01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:18,680
Speaker 1: back and he said that was the last time that

1116
01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:22,160
Speaker 1: my dad didn't take me with him when he went

1117
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:28,240
Speaker 1: out from the fire. Yeah, and that was that was

1118
01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:32,400
Speaker 1: significant to the Sun. Well, I mean, talk about a

1119
01:08:32,479 --> 01:08:36,080
Speaker 1: moment in time that's fascinating, especially if you're a hunter.

1120
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:42,679
Speaker 1: Is Daniel Boone teaching his youngest and last son, Nathan Boone,

1121
01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:45,439
Speaker 1: how did deer hunt? I mean that he did. Like

1122
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:48,680
Speaker 1: Nathan told us that story. Dad told me that you

1123
01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:50,599
Speaker 1: don't you don't sneak up on the deer when they

1124
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:52,960
Speaker 1: have their head up, but you slip in on him

1125
01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:57,880
Speaker 1: and on that one hunt they killed fifteen deer and

1126
01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:02,040
Speaker 1: two or three bears. I mean like that's, uh, that's

1127
01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:04,360
Speaker 1: pretty wild. Like that was just like common. I mean,

1128
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:05,920
Speaker 1: you know, heck, we go on a deer hunt and

1129
01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:09,559
Speaker 1: kill a deer or a bear in a year, We're like, wow,

1130
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:12,160
Speaker 1: what a year. I mean they were they were wearing

1131
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:15,479
Speaker 1: them out, man. That's what I liked about that whole

1132
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:19,639
Speaker 1: thing was the relationship because that that made Daniel Boone

1133
01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:29,840
Speaker 1: or Dan as as like more relatable, like what Seth

1134
01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:32,920
Speaker 1: was talking about, because I can remember the coming of

1135
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:37,920
Speaker 1: age moment with my dad hunting. I can remember not

1136
01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:41,080
Speaker 1: so long ago the coming of age of my son

1137
01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:44,080
Speaker 1: hunting with me when all that came about, and I

1138
01:09:44,120 --> 01:09:47,800
Speaker 1: can relate that back to Daniel Boone and his son.

1139
01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:51,160
Speaker 1: How crazy is that? You know that? That that was

1140
01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:53,400
Speaker 1: what spoke to me out of this this first part.

1141
01:09:54,360 --> 01:10:00,599
Speaker 1: So there's something unique and exciting and fun. And Seth

1142
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:04,320
Speaker 1: would understand this having written a lot, is that when

1143
01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:07,840
Speaker 1: you really many of us in the room would I'm

1144
01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:14,120
Speaker 1: looking at Dr Dan respect when you dive into something

1145
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:19,320
Speaker 1: so deep you, especially if you're researching a person like

1146
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:22,880
Speaker 1: I felt like I knew I feel like I know

1147
01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:26,120
Speaker 1: Daniel Boone, I really do. Like I feel like if

1148
01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:28,559
Speaker 1: he walked in the door and sat down, I would

1149
01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:33,519
Speaker 1: know how to engage with him. It wouldn't be like

1150
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:35,720
Speaker 1: I feel like that. Now. Whether if that's true or not,

1151
01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:40,439
Speaker 1: I don't know. But but so when I read what

1152
01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:43,439
Speaker 1: the sequence of my study of Boon was first this

1153
01:10:43,479 --> 01:10:48,040
Speaker 1: Boon book, and then two other Boon biographies parts of them,

1154
01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:50,880
Speaker 1: and then the last book I got was Nathan was

1155
01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:56,080
Speaker 1: Lyman Draper. Okay, alex uh I said, Nathan Draper on

1156
01:10:56,120 --> 01:11:00,240
Speaker 1: the podcast is actually Lyman Draper, Thanks, Alex. I love

1157
01:11:00,280 --> 01:11:04,439
Speaker 1: that guy. I really do m Lyman Draper. I found

1158
01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:07,280
Speaker 1: out about that book here it is right here my father,

1159
01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:10,640
Speaker 1: Daniel Boone. And it was like I had discovered and

1160
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:12,400
Speaker 1: I had heard, I'd heard him talk about it, but

1161
01:11:12,439 --> 01:11:15,320
Speaker 1: I really didn't know it was so accessible to get, Like,

1162
01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:16,960
Speaker 1: I didn't know I could get on Amazon and show

1163
01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:19,160
Speaker 1: up in my house in two days. And so I

1164
01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:21,320
Speaker 1: was like, Dad, game, you can just order that book.

1165
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:23,400
Speaker 1: And I ordered this book and I started to read

1166
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:28,520
Speaker 1: segment of the podcast Brought to You by Amazon. Yeah,

1167
01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:33,479
Speaker 1: I mean like was deeply moved by hearing Nathan's account

1168
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:37,320
Speaker 1: of his father, because I included the challenging of telling

1169
01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:39,240
Speaker 1: a story like this is what do you include? There's

1170
01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:42,120
Speaker 1: just so much. And one thing that I did choose

1171
01:11:42,160 --> 01:11:47,680
Speaker 1: to include was that two different people sat down with

1172
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:50,320
Speaker 1: Boone when he was an old man to interview him

1173
01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:54,000
Speaker 1: about his life. And one of him was his grandson

1174
01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:58,040
Speaker 1: in law, who when Boone was an old man, imagine,

1175
01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:04,120
Speaker 1: imagine a granddaughter going to her new husband. Man, Grandpa

1176
01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:08,360
Speaker 1: is pretty cool, dude. I wish somebody would write his story,

1177
01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:12,920
Speaker 1: just like get him to tell stories. And the and

1178
01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:15,599
Speaker 1: the and the grandson was a doctor as I remember,

1179
01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:21,720
Speaker 1: and and yep, and the grandson goes and spends at

1180
01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:26,959
Speaker 1: a notable chunk of time. I can't remember interviewing Daniel's

1181
01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:29,320
Speaker 1: whole life. So I mean, this is like quill and

1182
01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:32,640
Speaker 1: E I suppose, and in the eight the teens of

1183
01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:34,720
Speaker 1: the eighteen hundreds that would have been quill and ink.

1184
01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:38,720
Speaker 1: I don't know. He records the entire life story of

1185
01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:43,640
Speaker 1: Daniel Boone and Dan's words and this too, and we'll

1186
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:47,000
Speaker 1: get to this in the later episodes. But Boone died

1187
01:12:47,160 --> 01:12:51,080
Speaker 1: a common man, and this, to me shows it as

1188
01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:55,439
Speaker 1: much as anything is. They had this manuscript of Boone's

1189
01:12:55,479 --> 01:12:59,920
Speaker 1: life and his own words, and it just got lost.

1190
01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:03,639
Speaker 1: M hmm, I mean just got lost. I mean if

1191
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:06,760
Speaker 1: you had sat down and interviewed uh, I mean I

1192
01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:12,920
Speaker 1: I don't want to name a political figure, because Dwight Eisenhower.

1193
01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:17,800
Speaker 1: If you if you sat down and interviewed Dwight Eisenhower

1194
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:20,479
Speaker 1: and that was the only part of history, I mean

1195
01:13:20,479 --> 01:13:24,000
Speaker 1: like you would probably take care of that manuscript. The

1196
01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:28,240
Speaker 1: manuscript was lost and and and then it happened again.

1197
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:32,240
Speaker 1: Another young family member said, man, we gotta do that

1198
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:35,559
Speaker 1: again because old Jimmy lost it. And so they sat

1199
01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:38,559
Speaker 1: down and started it, didn't complete it, but still had

1200
01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:43,920
Speaker 1: a big chunk of it, and lost it. When Nathan

1201
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:47,759
Speaker 1: Boone was in his seventies, he said, the family told

1202
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:50,280
Speaker 1: me they were gonna give me the unfinished draft, but

1203
01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:54,880
Speaker 1: they never did. And so that's part of the reason, though,

1204
01:13:54,920 --> 01:13:59,080
Speaker 1: Seth Haines, why Boone is so mythologized is because we

1205
01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:02,960
Speaker 1: never heard him in his own voice. We never heard

1206
01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:04,800
Speaker 1: from his own boy. The only place we hear him

1207
01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:09,599
Speaker 1: in his own voice is John Philson, who wrote the

1208
01:14:09,800 --> 01:14:13,120
Speaker 1: very first part of When Dan was fifty years old.

1209
01:14:13,160 --> 01:14:15,720
Speaker 1: You remember what made him famous what catalyzed him the

1210
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:18,840
Speaker 1: single chapter in the book. But that's not in Dan's voice.

1211
01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:21,360
Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying. That guy took it way

1212
01:14:21,400 --> 01:14:26,520
Speaker 1: out of his voice. And so anyway, it's just it's

1213
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:32,960
Speaker 1: it's a wild story, and it's uh um. What I

1214
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:35,559
Speaker 1: hope people see inside of this whole thing when we're

1215
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:42,479
Speaker 1: done with it, is Boone had the reason. I've said

1216
01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:46,480
Speaker 1: this before on The Burger's podcast. I'm I'm not interested

1217
01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:50,360
Speaker 1: in and not that you can like critique someone's character fully.

1218
01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:53,000
Speaker 1: I mean, like anybody you talked to us in this

1219
01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:59,479
Speaker 1: room have flaws in our character. Brent I I was

1220
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:04,880
Speaker 1: thinking that, but I I don't want to like, you know,

1221
01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:08,640
Speaker 1: highlight or celebrate someone that just had like it was

1222
01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:13,759
Speaker 1: not a good person. You know, Daniel Boone had pretty

1223
01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:17,080
Speaker 1: incredible character. Robert Morgan did a great job in this book.

1224
01:15:17,439 --> 01:15:20,000
Speaker 1: And I actually talked to Morgan about it probably won't

1225
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:22,160
Speaker 1: make the podcast because it just wasn't that flashy of

1226
01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:24,200
Speaker 1: a section, but I said, it seems to me like

1227
01:15:24,280 --> 01:15:29,080
Speaker 1: you like you're interested in like defending Boone's character, and

1228
01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:31,759
Speaker 1: he was like, yeah, I mean that's what I remember

1229
01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:35,160
Speaker 1: him saying. Just because Boone because we'll get into more.

1230
01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:38,799
Speaker 1: Boone had a lot of potential for having bad character.

1231
01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:40,840
Speaker 1: He was in debt to a lot of people, spend

1232
01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:43,200
Speaker 1: a lot of time in court over debt, tried of

1233
01:15:43,240 --> 01:15:48,200
Speaker 1: treason a lot of people. I mean, anybody that's that famous,

1234
01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:50,479
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a lot of people that were jealous

1235
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:53,960
Speaker 1: of him, didn't like him, and he made mistakes just

1236
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:59,160
Speaker 1: like anybody would have. So anyway, but Daniel Boone, Dan Boone,

1237
01:16:00,760 --> 01:16:02,559
Speaker 1: it seems a little bit like are you're talking about?

1238
01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:04,839
Speaker 1: You just keep thinking about what says talking about with archetypes,

1239
01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:09,640
Speaker 1: It's almost as if we talked about the founding fathers

1240
01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:14,519
Speaker 1: and as a nation we needed fathering, and that he

1241
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:18,719
Speaker 1: certainly lived at a time, and then in the subsequent years,

1242
01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:21,920
Speaker 1: you know, we're still decades and hundred years later, our

1243
01:16:22,040 --> 01:16:25,040
Speaker 1: our nation is still kind of forming. And we made

1244
01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:29,040
Speaker 1: this myth of a father who would do what Daniel

1245
01:16:29,120 --> 01:16:32,200
Speaker 1: did with his son and that canoe, which was let

1246
01:16:32,200 --> 01:16:34,120
Speaker 1: me wrap you up, put you in a blanket, and

1247
01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:36,920
Speaker 1: you laid down, and I'll paddle us through this kind

1248
01:16:36,920 --> 01:16:40,920
Speaker 1: of uncharted territory with some folks are chasing us. You know,

1249
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:43,080
Speaker 1: we kind of made this myth and even that the

1250
01:16:43,160 --> 01:16:45,320
Speaker 1: lyrics of that song. You know, he fought to make

1251
01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:49,439
Speaker 1: America free. It's kind of like, deep down just like us,

1252
01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:52,840
Speaker 1: we remember these like Brents talking about this moment with

1253
01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:56,800
Speaker 1: your father and your son. We need to be fathered

1254
01:16:57,200 --> 01:16:59,920
Speaker 1: and as a nation and as a culture when he

1255
01:17:00,200 --> 01:17:04,599
Speaker 1: fathers and so some of it's true, some of it's

1256
01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:08,559
Speaker 1: a myth. But we construct this father figure in Daniel

1257
01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:11,640
Speaker 1: Boone so we can feel safe, you know, so we

1258
01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:14,200
Speaker 1: can and so we have a place to head. You

1259
01:17:14,200 --> 01:17:17,639
Speaker 1: want to be like your dad, you know man and

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01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:19,920
Speaker 1: and Boone came at such a great time to be

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Speaker 1: an American hero. I mean this prime time was between

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01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:28,080
Speaker 1: seventeen seventy and seventeen eighty. Like we said in that

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Speaker 1: quote about his thirties, I've had more people asked me

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Speaker 1: for that quote, remember the quote the man in his thirties. Um,

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Speaker 1: lots of people. That quote impacted Misty and I like

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Speaker 1: such that we put it in her. It was actually

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01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:46,680
Speaker 1: it was actually in Misty's office. I would like to

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Speaker 1: correct myself. I said, in the presence of Mr Mr

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Speaker 1: Mr Morgan, that was in our house. It was in

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Speaker 1: our office. So anyway, we've had the quote but incredible quote.

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Speaker 1: And it was so seventeen eighty, seventeen seventy to seventeen eighty,

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Speaker 1: I mean the American Revolution with seventeen seventy six, I

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Speaker 1: mean that was when we So it's like that's a

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Speaker 1: good time too if you're looking for a hero's datus

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Speaker 1: to be around. But I mean, to Dan's point and

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Speaker 1: to what I said earlier, everything that's happened before all

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Speaker 1: happen again. I mean, and and maybe there's some anthropological

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01:18:19,479 --> 01:18:22,559
Speaker 1: uh you know, the truth here too, But like, I

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Speaker 1: think that's where we are right now. I think the

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Speaker 1: reason why people are sitting in this room discussing Daniel

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Speaker 1: Boone all these years later is because, I mean, we're

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Speaker 1: at a point. I feel like we're at a point

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Speaker 1: in our history, regardless of where you're on the political spectrum,

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Speaker 1: where we we need some strong character driven individuals, men

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01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:43,960
Speaker 1: or women, but to step up and to say, like

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Speaker 1: we we need to make something better of this country.

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Speaker 1: And and that's why these stories keep resonating, because we

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Speaker 1: we kind of come back to these moments of history

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Speaker 1: where it's like, man, things things feel shaky, thanks Phil,

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Speaker 1: like they're gonna fall apart a little bit and we

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Speaker 1: kind of we want those heroes, we need them. Yeah. Incredible, man, Hey,

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Speaker 1: this has been a great conversation. I can't thank you

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Speaker 1: guys enough. Really, thank you all. I love every one

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Speaker 1: of you. Thanks for coming. Good, good combo. And uh,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to show you one thing before we quit here.

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Speaker 1: You'll see this. Brent described this. I'm gonna put it

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Speaker 1: on on a scale of one to ten. I would

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Speaker 1: give that about ten and a half. This is uh,

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Speaker 1: this is my new hat. Boys. This is a hundred

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01:19:29,160 --> 01:19:34,720
Speaker 1: percent beaver Felt sing custom made hat. Beautiful and it

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Speaker 1: says handmade for Clay Nukelem and it has Burgrease right there.

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Speaker 1: So they're out of They're out of Jackson Hole are

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah sing Hat Company. Uh, they're friends of ours

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01:19:50,080 --> 01:19:53,280
Speaker 1: and uh, I just got this in the mouth today

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01:19:54,160 --> 01:19:59,880
Speaker 1: Instagram and they have some amazing beaver Felt hats. And

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Speaker 1: the reason that I have this on is because Daniel

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Speaker 1: Boone did not wear a Coonskin cap. He wore a

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Speaker 1: beaver Felt really yeah, with a coonskin on top with

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01:20:11,640 --> 01:20:14,240
Speaker 1: what does everybody with a podcast get one of those ants?

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Speaker 1: I wish man, I take I got one. There's not enough,

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Speaker 1: not enough. Let me tell you something. This hat was

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Speaker 1: designed to look like James Lawrence's hat put on my Instagram.

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Speaker 1: I sent her the picture. Uh I sent her the

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Speaker 1: picture of James Lawrence and uh so, anyway, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: like it. I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna kind of

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Speaker 1: break it in a little bit. I like it. Nope,

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Speaker 1: looking forward to episode two, Keep the Wild Places Wild,

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Speaker 1: because that's where the bears live, and that's where Daniel

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Speaker 1: Boone wanted to go, where the barriers were and it

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Speaker 1: wasn't bit m hm