Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature future production of iHeartRadio. I'm your host
Speaker 1: of Many Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied psychology and evolutionary biology,
Speaker 1: and today on the show, it's Hot Sharks Summer. We're
Speaker 1: talking about some of the hottest, most amazing, most cooked
Speaker 1: up sharks out there in nature. I love sharks. I
Speaker 1: love you know. I think that a lot of times,
Speaker 1: Like with Shark Week, it's like, man, look at this
Speaker 1: killing machine with all its teeth. It can smell blood
Speaker 1: in the water, so scary. Now we're gonna look at
Speaker 1: the lighter side of sharks. How cute and cuddly and
Speaker 1: possibly high on cocaine. They are discover this and more
Speaker 1: as we answer the age old question if you have
Speaker 1: a tummy ache, why not just get rid of your tummy? Right? Am? I? Right? Am? I? Right?
Speaker 1: Everyone all right joining me to day is friend of
Speaker 1: the Podcast online poet podcaster. We love them, Chris crafton Welcome.
Speaker 2: Hi, Hi Katie, thanks for having.
Speaker 1: Me, Happy to be here, Happy to have you back.
Speaker 1: I feel like I tend to I don't know this
Speaker 1: is kind of coincidence, but maybe it's my subconscious I
Speaker 1: tend to have you on when I'm talking about like
Speaker 1: weird sea creatures.
Speaker 2: It's true. It seems like that to me because I
Speaker 2: don't know anything about like my weird creature awareness goes
Speaker 2: like through the floor when I'm not on this show.
Speaker 2: So like, like the only weird creatures I'm really aware
Speaker 2: of besides politicians is the these ones that you show me.
Speaker 2: So yeah, this is like I've done a lot of
Speaker 2: like I think we did frogs one time. We did frogs, right,
Speaker 2: like amphibians, and I mean I feel like, yeah, I
Speaker 2: feel like, uh, we've done a lot of sea creatures.
Speaker 2: But this is a really good one for me because
Speaker 2: I used to do cocaine.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well maybe you can help us get into
Speaker 1: sort of the mental the mind space of these sharks.
Speaker 2: I'm so interested. Yeah, I have no idea, Like I'm
Speaker 2: ready to go because this is like, you know, I rarely,
Speaker 2: rarely like have a have a podcast that combines biology
Speaker 2: with my sort of recovery.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this, you know, you know this topic isn't
Speaker 1: this is interesting because like there, this is definitely one
Speaker 1: of those news stories that goes viral. Right, Cocaine sharks.
Speaker 1: It's like cocaine, yeah, combine some kind of cool animal
Speaker 1: with cocaine and everyone gets excited. Oh yeah, Joe Rogan
Speaker 1: talked about it. Of course, let's get into the actual
Speaker 1: details about it, because it is actually quite interesting what
Speaker 1: this signifies. So first the story, which is Brazilian sharp.
Speaker 1: Those sharks are these little pointy sharks. They only grow
Speaker 1: to be around thirty inches or seventy seven centimeters long.
Speaker 1: I think they're pretty cute. I sent you a picture of.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw it. They're quite small. Yeah. Yeah, they're
Speaker 2: like a cigar sized shark.
Speaker 1: Right, like a pocket shark that you could bring around,
Speaker 1: you know, or purse shark. It's like something that Paris
Speaker 1: Hilton would have in her purse. That's topical, right, Paris Hilton.
Speaker 2: Totally.
Speaker 1: She's new, she's new, she's free, she's new.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's a brand new celebrity.
Speaker 1: So they have these cute little sharks off the coast
Speaker 1: of Brazil have been found with cocaine in their systems.
Speaker 1: So researchers tested the bodies of thirteen sharks that had
Speaker 1: been caught off the coast of Rio, and all of
Speaker 1: them were found to have cocaine in their livers and
Speaker 1: muscle tissue. So the amount of cocaine in their systems
Speaker 1: indicated that cocaine had been directly dumped into the ocean.
Speaker 1: So cocaine exposure to fish can occur potentially from sewage.
Speaker 1: So if you take cocaine and then you poop, like,
Speaker 1: some of the cocaine could get in the sewage and
Speaker 1: then that could contaminate the ocean. But most of the
Speaker 1: contamination is probably from dumping or from cocaine lab waste,
Speaker 1: because they had a good amount of just raw cocaine
Speaker 1: in there.
Speaker 2: Now wait a minute, though, so so like, why what
Speaker 2: were these scientists looking for when they found the cocaine?
Speaker 1: So that's that. Yeah, that's very interesting because these sharks
Speaker 1: are often tested by researchers to check the levels of pollution.
Speaker 1: I think they may have specifically been looking into cocaine
Speaker 1: because you know, that is that there had been some
Speaker 1: speculation that maybe because of either drug dumping or drug glabs,
Speaker 1: that local fish were getting this pollutant in their systems.
Speaker 1: But yeah, in general, these sharp nose sharks are really
Speaker 1: like they're kind of like canaries in the coal mine
Speaker 1: because they live so close to the shore and they
Speaker 1: eat a lot of fish and a lot of bottom feeders.
Speaker 1: So like they are kind of like not on the
Speaker 1: very top of the food chain, but yeah, they're predators.
Speaker 1: They eat fish, they'll eat also like small gastropods, you know,
Speaker 1: they'll they'll eat enough of these other these other fish
Speaker 1: such that they are actually kind of like being higher
Speaker 1: on the food chain means that you might actually get
Speaker 1: more of these pollutants because they're they're eating the animals
Speaker 1: that have been eating and collecting these pollutants, and then
Speaker 1: they're you know, getting all of that.
Speaker 2: Sure, they're getting a pretty wide sample of lots of
Speaker 2: different animals in that one shark in a.
Speaker 1: Way, yeah, in a way exactly.
Speaker 2: So you say shark, Did you say shark nose shark.
Speaker 1: Sharp nose shark? Oh?
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, I was okay, I was wondering that.
Speaker 1: Would that sounds the thing that you said kind of
Speaker 1: sounds like a weird insult, like your shark nose shark,
Speaker 1: like you with your dumb shark nose.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't even know what. Yeah, that
Speaker 2: wouldn't make any sense.
Speaker 1: That's why I was asking, no, shark nose, shark, because
Speaker 1: it does look a little bit like you could throw
Speaker 1: it at a dart board and it would stick.
Speaker 2: It looks like a toy shark. Looks like a toy shark.
Speaker 1: It does it does? I think they're so cute.
Speaker 2: If I were naming it, I would call it a
Speaker 2: toy shark.
Speaker 1: Ye, cigar shark, cigar shark shark.
Speaker 2: But yeah, something like that, like a pocket shark you've said,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: Like a yeah shark mini.
Speaker 2: So it's a very like cute. I also wonder, like,
Speaker 2: you know, like probably I wonder, well, I wonder about
Speaker 2: getting bitten by that shark's pie is still not that
Speaker 2: much fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it probably wouldn't bite you because it's probably pretty shy,
Speaker 1: but if it did bite you'd probably be it probably hurt,
Speaker 1: you know. I don't think it's gonna I don't think
Speaker 1: it's gonna take a finger off. I don't even think
Speaker 1: it's gonna trim a fingernail. I think it's just it
Speaker 1: might just hurt a bit there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just that's small.
Speaker 3: I just didn't know that.
Speaker 2: So now I'm like afraid of those two.
Speaker 1: That they're gonna come up in just whatever. It's something
Speaker 1: like it seems like, yeah, bite your butt.
Speaker 2: They might be more yeah, harder to see coming.
Speaker 1: I think I think it'll be okay. I don't I
Speaker 1: don't think you have to worry about.
Speaker 2: These, Like, but Katie, what about if they're on cocaine,
Speaker 2: then the.
Speaker 1: Right exactly, this is the this is the concern. Right,
Speaker 1: once they're on cocaine, all bets are off. They could
Speaker 1: be swimming up these toilets and thinking thinking that a
Speaker 1: butt looks like a nice snack. Exact. Yeah, So like
Speaker 1: the impacts of the cocaine on these sharks is not known. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: so sharp nose sharks, these little sharks minis, these cigar
Speaker 1: sharks are vulnerable species due to fishermen both intentionally and
Speaker 1: accidentally catching them in their nets, and so adding cocaine
Speaker 1: to the mix is probably not helping. The specific effects
Speaker 1: of cocaine on these sharks is not known. It's likely
Speaker 1: to interfere with their indocurren system, which regulates their hormones.
Speaker 1: It may also interfere with egg production. It could threaten
Speaker 1: their population, so like sadly.
Speaker 2: Probably also make it probably also makes their taste and
Speaker 2: music really bad.
Speaker 1: What's what's the worst band? Do you think that these
Speaker 1: sharks would like?
Speaker 2: Well, I just think they're probably listening to you know,
Speaker 2: a lot of.
Speaker 1: M mmm yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you know body music, right, that's what I
Speaker 2: call it em.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: It's like like they have a playlist of twenty edium
Speaker 1: songs that are basically indistinguishable, but they're like, no, you
Speaker 1: gotta see this one now, yeah, now, this one.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And they used to listen to like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: I can't think of anybody current. They used to listen
Speaker 2: to somebody of substance.
Speaker 4: Everyone's about her now sure so some of the la
Speaker 4: we're listening to Chappelle whoever you said, And now they're
Speaker 4: listening to just uh, you knowechno.
Speaker 1: Technically the exact same what seems like the exact same
Speaker 1: techno track, but they swear like a lot of them.
Speaker 1: Now the beat's a little different.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And they stay up late and smoke cigarettes and stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Their houses are very clean.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. They won't shut up, and they have no friends.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well so it is u Also, because they are
Speaker 1: eaten as a food source, there's some concern that this
Speaker 1: cocaine contamination could hurt the people eating them.
Speaker 2: People eat those little sharks, huh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they are snack sized, I suppose.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, yeah, you could fry up a bunch
Speaker 2: of basket of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you could put them all on a stick and
Speaker 1: bred it and you basically got a corn dog.
Speaker 2: But with in Brazil.
Speaker 1: This is in Brazil, yes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Brazil like comedy clubs, got like a two shark
Speaker 2: yeah minimum. But so this reminds me of the trout
Speaker 2: that have zoloft in them, or you know, there's also
Speaker 2: like fish, Yeah, regular fish that are I mean some
Speaker 2: huge number of fish have antidepressants in them.
Speaker 1: Really yeah, I mean that kind of makes sense if
Speaker 1: you're getting if they're getting condamn, if it's condamneh from wastewater. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we're putting fish through a lot.
Speaker 1: Although I feel like zoloft maybe they're just happier, right
Speaker 1: like with the cocaine. I worry about these sharks. But
Speaker 1: if if the fish gets a little bit of zoloft,
Speaker 1: maybe it's just like you know what, just takes the
Speaker 1: edge off a little bit.
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, maybe, I mean who knows, though, you know,
Speaker 2: cocaine could be what makes them feel. I mean because
Speaker 2: a fish, you know, or a shark you know, who
Speaker 2: knows what sol off might make them go, make them
Speaker 2: go crazy, and then cocaine maybe makes them feel like calm. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know what Their systems are so different or
Speaker 2: maybe they're not that different than ours. I don't even know.
Speaker 2: You would know better than me.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what happens if you give
Speaker 1: a shark cocaine, Like what that does to their little brains.
Speaker 1: But I feel like it's probably not great. Maybe it,
Speaker 1: I mean there could be like on low doses, maybe
Speaker 1: it makes them better at hunting. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't think there's any ethical way to study that.
Speaker 2: No, No, you're no, Well, it's insane. I mean, it's
Speaker 2: also like a side effect of a human civilization that's
Speaker 2: gone bonkers. There's no way there should be enough cocaine
Speaker 2: in the ocean too that you should be able to
Speaker 2: measure it measure it?
Speaker 1: Isn't that just a waste of product. Look, I'm not
Speaker 1: saying I'm not saying that it's good to sell drugs,
Speaker 1: But if you're going to sell drugs, why are you
Speaker 1: wasting it by dumping it in the ocean.
Speaker 2: I don't know, Yeah, I don't. I mean, I just
Speaker 2: can't believe that there's there's a Oh gosh, I mean,
Speaker 2: it just is this.
Speaker 1: I'm just wondering, like, is this like intentional? Get the
Speaker 1: sharks hooked on cocaine. The first taste is free. Now
Speaker 1: you've got all these new customers, right, but.
Speaker 2: They got no money, they got no arms.
Speaker 1: Got sand dollars, they can't get Uh?
Speaker 3: Did you.
Speaker 1: So that this remind is so stupid? But gone?
Speaker 2: This discussion reminds me of the Are you familiar with
Speaker 2: the band Silver Juice? No, or the or the songwriter
Speaker 2: David Berman.
Speaker 1: Not really Silver Juice like juice or Juice.
Speaker 2: Jews Jews like people. Okay, yes, silver Jews And it's
Speaker 2: the singer is deceased, but he really good songwriter, very
Speaker 2: deep lyrics. He has a song called sometimes a Pony
Speaker 2: Gets Depressed. One of the lyrics in it what kind
Speaker 2: of animal needs to smoke a cigar wrette. That reminds
Speaker 2: me of like what we're doing to the fish, like
Speaker 2: we have We've created such a complicated life for ourselves
Speaker 2: on land that we need all these we need zoloft
Speaker 2: and cocaine and all these mood manipulators and yeah, and
Speaker 2: we're all completely miserable still, as you can just see
Speaker 2: from looking at the news. And I just feel bad
Speaker 2: for these fish that have to be a victim of
Speaker 2: our self seeking unenlightened lifestyles that we now now we've got. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean cocaine is like just such a waste of time,
Speaker 2: and you know, it does have its fun, I guess
Speaker 2: if you're just doing it when I mean now you
Speaker 2: can't even do it safely at all because it might
Speaker 2: have ventanyl.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So back in the when I was younger, you know,
Speaker 2: it didn't seem so dangerous, like I was afraid it doesn't
Speaker 2: have a heart attack. But then my friends just kind
Speaker 2: of bullied me into it, and I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I was like, didn't take
Speaker 2: long for me to be like, all right, I'm you know,
Speaker 2: I'll chance it.
Speaker 1: But but are you you're worried about your heart stopping,
Speaker 1: you're worried about dying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's all too but because I still I
Speaker 2: want to try it anyway, because I was, you know,
Speaker 2: kind of a person who wanted to do anything because
Speaker 2: I was kind of dumb.
Speaker 1: So uh so yeah, because wait, also, when you're young,
Speaker 1: you just don't feel mortal. You're like, sure I could,
Speaker 1: like I could make this jump.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and and and so like yeah, but it's just Yeah.
Speaker 2: Cocaine though, in the end, is like one of the
Speaker 2: least enlightened drugs. It doesn't teach you anything. It just
Speaker 2: makes you into, you know, a person who's overconfident for
Speaker 2: no reason and and and has all these ideas that
Speaker 2: they're never gonna do. You temporarily have all these great
Speaker 2: ideas that you're never gonna do because you're not even
Speaker 2: gonna wake up the next days. You're so tired and
Speaker 2: feel horrible. So it's like this easy drug. It's not helpful.
Speaker 2: And so I just feel like it's funny that it's
Speaker 2: the perfect capitalism drug. I guess I'll bring that way.
Speaker 2: It has nothing to offer other than just energy and
Speaker 2: like distraction, yeah, delusional grandiosity. And so I just feel
Speaker 2: bad for fish because it seems like to me, they
Speaker 2: probably have a pretty level headed existence. And that's one
Speaker 2: of the benefits of I think being an animal is
Speaker 2: that you really are, like we're hoping. I mean, we
Speaker 2: don't know. Maybe inside their heads they're insecure and stuff,
Speaker 2: but I doubt it. I bet they're just doing their thing,
Speaker 2: you know, And like throwing cocaine into the mix is
Speaker 2: just just such a rotten thing to do to a fish.
Speaker 2: Or to any animal. I mean, like it's just not necessary.
Speaker 2: Animals have exactly the right amount of energy that they need.
Speaker 2: They get good exercise, they're already swimming. They don't have
Speaker 2: to make an appointment to swim like a like a
Speaker 2: humans do. Yeah, you know, it's not on their to
Speaker 2: do list. They just do it. So they're a fit.
Speaker 2: You know, you never see a flabby shark. I mean, like,
Speaker 2: you know nothing. I mean, they're just like they got
Speaker 2: it all together and then we're gonna throw in something
Speaker 2: that ruins everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it is. It is sad because the ecosystem
Speaker 1: is delicate balance. I think we can all agree on that,
Speaker 1: and pollution is not great, especially something like cocaine, which
Speaker 1: is definitely something we know. It has a big effect
Speaker 1: on the brain and on the body. And so the
Speaker 1: fact that these sharks are, through no fault of their own,
Speaker 1: just having it by yeah, I mean like party, Yeah,
Speaker 1: forced to party. That's it is unfair. Parties should be
Speaker 1: completely consensual or Yeah, if.
Speaker 2: We're going to do this, then we should at least
Speaker 2: get them leather jackets.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, tiny level, Okay, I think regardless of whether
Speaker 1: we do this to them, we should we just owe
Speaker 1: them little leather jackets, because these guys are so cute.
Speaker 1: And I think that also they like you were asking,
Speaker 1: do animals have insecurities? Maybe they do feel some insecurity
Speaker 1: about being like tiny sharks, being tiny and cute. They
Speaker 1: want to be so like if we get them like
Speaker 1: metal jacks or if we get them leather jackets. It's
Speaker 1: it's killing two birds with one stone, because it's it's
Speaker 1: payback for the fact that we've been dosing them against
Speaker 1: their will. And also maybe it'll help them feel confident
Speaker 1: in themselves without the cocaine.
Speaker 2: Killing two birds on cocaine with one stone.
Speaker 1: Right, getting two stone birds some cocaine with one cocaine.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but yeah, there's been studies on these
Speaker 1: sharks before, finding other pollutants in their poor little bodies. Uh.
Speaker 1: And one study found metalant pollutants metal pollutants within the
Speaker 1: jelly of their ampulae of lorenzini. I will explain what
Speaker 1: that means.
Speaker 2: So, so what do I.
Speaker 1: Mean by the jelly of their ampulae of lorenzini. These
Speaker 1: aren't random words and it's not Italian these this is
Speaker 1: actual stuff. So these are small structures located in their
Speaker 1: snout and rows like these pores, and they are these
Speaker 1: pockets which are filled with jelly just like a kind
Speaker 1: of viscous fluid and connected to nerves and these ampulae,
Speaker 1: which is basically like it's just a little pocket, a
Speaker 1: little poor has this jelly like substance in it, and
Speaker 1: tiny electrical signals from like say, other fish, flow through
Speaker 1: the water, travel in hit that the those pores and
Speaker 1: travel through this jelly which is conductive wo and then
Speaker 1: that will trigger the nerve, the electro receptive nerves inside
Speaker 1: of that poor and then that's how they can't that's
Speaker 1: how sharks, including these sharp nosed sharks, can detect prey
Speaker 1: or even predators, right, so that this is what allows
Speaker 1: them to hunt down fish. And these electroceptors, these ampulae
Speaker 1: of Lorenzini are common in sharks, rays, and some other
Speaker 1: species of fish actually. And so the thing is that
Speaker 1: because this metal pollutant has been found inside of the jelly,
Speaker 1: that might compromise the conductivity of the jelly, right Like,
Speaker 1: it might interrupt that electrical signal, so it might make
Speaker 1: it harder for these sharks to detect prey. So if
Speaker 1: metal has that effect, right, like, we don't know what cocaine,
Speaker 1: what effect cocaine has. And I don't mind at all
Speaker 1: when these stories go viral because it's a funny or
Speaker 1: interesting headline. But I think it is really good to
Speaker 1: like look at into what this actually means, right, because
Speaker 1: like it's it is, it goes beyond it just being
Speaker 1: like a funny meme, which it's fine for it to
Speaker 1: be a funny meme too. I took a there's a
Speaker 1: screenshot here of like a news story where it's like
Speaker 1: cocaine found in thirteen sharks, and it just shows this
Speaker 1: little shark on the beach looking like he's trying to
Speaker 1: play it cool, like no, man, I was just holding
Speaker 1: it for a friend. But but yeah, no, it is.
Speaker 1: It is good to like look into like what does
Speaker 1: this actually mean? Because it's it's a It does show
Speaker 1: that there's a good amount of pollution in these coastal
Speaker 1: waters and that is probably impacting these species. Right.
Speaker 2: The person who found that out, like the marine biologist
Speaker 2: who found that, must have been extremely upset.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think they're I don't think they're
Speaker 1: happy about it.
Speaker 2: No, because it's like the guy who you know on
Speaker 2: my podcast, we cole Brew got me like we would.
Speaker 2: For a while, we had it. Sometimes we have weird
Speaker 2: news stories on it. And one of the stories was
Speaker 2: not a weird news story. It was like horrifying. But
Speaker 2: it's like, on its face, it's sort of a weird
Speaker 2: news story, but it's about another one about animals, and
Speaker 2: it's about fish that are I'm sure you know about this,
Speaker 2: or maybe you do, about those fish that are turning
Speaker 2: into like whirling dervishes and then dying, the ones in
Speaker 2: the in Florida.
Speaker 1: No, I haven't heard about this.
Speaker 2: Well, it's just the water temperature. They can't figure out
Speaker 2: what it is. But the water temperature is way higher
Speaker 2: than it used to be. And uh, this biologist they
Speaker 2: interviewed them and they're like, he's like, yeah, all these
Speaker 2: fish are like spinning. They're called they're just spinning. And
Speaker 2: I've seen it. They had video of it. They spin
Speaker 2: and spin and spin and then they die. And he's like,
Speaker 2: I've never seen this ever, Like in all my career.
Speaker 2: I've been doing this for thirty years. This is a
Speaker 2: totally unknow known territory. I have no idea why this
Speaker 2: is happening. But these fish are spinning and spinning, you know,
Speaker 2: for days and days and then they die and that
Speaker 2: kind of thing, you know, and it just becomes like
Speaker 2: this news story. For two seconds when me and my
Speaker 2: father were kind of like, this is the end.
Speaker 1: Of the world.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you have fish that are spinning, you
Speaker 2: know that no biologist has ever seen them spinning, that's
Speaker 2: pretty significant. But it becomes like just another you know,
Speaker 2: another story, like oh, well, well back to Donald Trump. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, it's very funny.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, it's it is concerning. I mean, for that,
Speaker 1: I wonder if it's something to do with like theirs
Speaker 1: swim bladder being compromised, unless it's like a neurological thing,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean it is. I think that there
Speaker 1: are many cases of these, these like huge red sirens
Speaker 1: going off with these animals, and unless it happens to
Speaker 1: like pandas or koala bears or something, these really charismatic species,
Speaker 1: right Like, if it's having happening to fish, people maybe
Speaker 1: don't care as much because they're just fish. But you know,
Speaker 1: not only are fish just value because they are living creatures.
Speaker 1: It's also like this is this is really important to
Speaker 1: care about because they are They're canaries in the coal
Speaker 1: mine right now, and the coal mine is getting hotter
Speaker 1: and more full of cocaine. Apparently.
Speaker 2: I just think I can't imagine. I just don't don't
Speaker 2: how much cocaine that how much cocaine that must have
Speaker 2: taken to it, or if maybe the scientists just came
Speaker 2: by right after they dumped some on them.
Speaker 1: Yeah not Yeah, I know it's crazy because like that
Speaker 1: there must be a significant amount getting in there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like I would assume every fish is drunk
Speaker 2: based on based on human activity, but I did not
Speaker 2: have any idea. Yeah, I thought people were more careful
Speaker 2: with their cocain.
Speaker 1: Part of that is part of the drunk thing is
Speaker 1: my bad. Like whenever I whenever I'm on the beach,
Speaker 1: I have a beer, but then I pour one out
Speaker 1: for my ocean buddies, like the ocean, you know how
Speaker 1: it h h.
Speaker 2: And next thing, you know, some scientists is like, why
Speaker 2: is there so much peanut colada and these fishes?
Speaker 1: Why are these orcas ramming these boats?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Oh wait they're full of snops.
Speaker 1: Oh so yeah, so now I'm not allowed to give
Speaker 1: orcas pina coladas. Okay, thanks thought police, thank you. Any
Speaker 1: state let me what to do?
Speaker 2: What are we supposed what are you supposed to do?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 2: Do?
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's there's literally nothing left, nothing to do, nothing
Speaker 1: to do on the beach. All right, We're going to
Speaker 1: take a quick break and when we come back, we're
Speaker 1: going to talk about a pretty cool shark superpower. Uh
Speaker 1: that is managed by the most smallest and most baby
Speaker 1: of sharks. All right, Chris, So we're going to talk
Speaker 1: about embryonic shark superpowers. We know how cool adults sharks are.
Speaker 1: They have all these teeth, they can detect electrical signals,
Speaker 1: they can smell blood, and they can bite pretty good.
Speaker 1: But before sharks are born, they're very vulnerable. And so
Speaker 1: what are they supposed to do? Well, they come with
Speaker 1: a very sophisticated set of senses and they are able
Speaker 1: to use these superpowered senses from within the womb, well
Speaker 1: the external womb. These are sharks that will be in
Speaker 1: an egg sack. So there are both sharks that give
Speaker 1: live birth and then there are sharks that will lay
Speaker 1: like an egg sack. It's like it kind of looks
Speaker 1: like a leather purse, but with a shark embryo in it. Okay,
Speaker 1: And so embryonic sharks who carry out their fetal development
Speaker 1: in egg sacks seem to be able to detect predators
Speaker 1: and alter their behavior accordingly. So, researchers found that the
Speaker 1: embryos of bamboo sharks can detect electrical signals coming from predators,
Speaker 1: and then in response, they halt their breathing and their
Speaker 1: movement inside the egg sack.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So they're like, like, we think that we're so smart,
Speaker 1: right because like when but when we're born, we spend
Speaker 1: months just sitting there poopin ye uh. These you know,
Speaker 1: like a lot of animals they come out of like
Speaker 1: there's a lot of amazing feats that come out.
Speaker 2: Already already traumatized. I thought we had corner of the
Speaker 2: market on trauma. But it sounds like, God, damn, if
Speaker 2: you if you were, if you were in having to
Speaker 2: halt your breathing as an embryo because you're scared, That's
Speaker 2: that's pretty deep. Like I wonder if I wonder if
Speaker 2: human babies do that and they just don't know if
Speaker 2: they did. My parents, my parents argued so much, I
Speaker 2: must not have breathed the whole time I was in
Speaker 2: the damn.
Speaker 1: Oh no, oh no, I mean totally.
Speaker 2: There comes dad, I can't breathe, probably most the whole
Speaker 2: nine months.
Speaker 1: Yeah, pre natal aniety.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they were just arguing about the check
Speaker 2: book and stuff. Yeah, I would have stopped breathing. I
Speaker 2: mean as soon as I was out of the womb,
Speaker 2: I stop breathing, as soon as they talked about the
Speaker 2: check book. And I can guarantee you they were talking
Speaker 2: about it while I was in there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I know. You either play Baby's Mozart and
Speaker 1: help their development or you scare them and so they
Speaker 1: come out already battle hardened.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't think it answered your question. I
Speaker 1: kind of doubt that embryos inside a womb would respond
Speaker 1: this way as much, because I think this has been
Speaker 1: found in these sharks that are in egg sacks. Not
Speaker 1: necessarily because like I said, there are sharks. There are
Speaker 1: because they are very vulnerable because they're basically they're like
Speaker 1: a little shark and panada. So if a if a
Speaker 1: predator knows they're there, they can just scoop them on
Speaker 1: up and eat them. And shark embryos actually they reach
Speaker 1: a stage in their development where they start to undulate
Speaker 1: their tails to circulate water through the permeable seals of
Speaker 1: the egg case. Like as they get bigger, the egg case,
Speaker 1: which was once fully sealed, actually starts to lit a
Speaker 1: bit of water in the Sharks at this point need
Speaker 1: to be able to breathe the oxygenated water, and so
Speaker 1: they move their tails. They wave their tails, which helps
Speaker 1: get the oxygenated water inside the egg sac. The downside
Speaker 1: is that this movement and also the flow of water
Speaker 1: from the eggsac outside allows predators to both see and
Speaker 1: detect through chemoreceptors like basically like smell the water and
Speaker 1: find these shark embryos, so anything from like other sharks,
Speaker 1: large fish octopuses can then find these shark embryos and
Speaker 1: try to eat them because again it's like a little
Speaker 1: shark impanada. That sounds delicious, right, And so the shark
Speaker 1: will go into this lockdown. It stops its movement, it
Speaker 1: stops breathing. Obviously, it can only stop breathing for so long,
Speaker 1: so then it has to breathe again. It tries to
Speaker 1: breathe like very sort of slowly. But yeah, it's this
Speaker 1: is kind of a later yeah crazy, yeah, and it's instinctive, right,
Speaker 1: like this is this is an instinct It's interesting because
Speaker 1: human babies are actually born with some instincts. Like I'm
Speaker 1: not saying you should do any of this to a baby,
Speaker 1: not a good idea, but if you dunk them in water,
Speaker 1: they'll instinctively close their eyes and sort of close off,
Speaker 1: like stop breathing, so they don't inhale water if they
Speaker 1: if they're they are actually born with a grip strong
Speaker 1: enough to like hang on to say, like a rope
Speaker 1: or to essentially like what used to be the cases
Speaker 1: that with our ancestors, these primates, like the babies would
Speaker 1: have to be born and like hang on to their
Speaker 1: mother's fur, and so babies actually have this very like
Speaker 1: strong grip even with their feet where they can like
Speaker 1: instinctively hang onto things. So yeah, so like newborn human
Speaker 1: babies do come with some instincts that are meant to
Speaker 1: help them survive, these sharks are just doing sort of
Speaker 1: like what's that guy's name, Matt Damon. You know who's Matt.
Speaker 1: He's in that movie where Matt Damon gets a bunch
Speaker 1: of passports and he's in the water and they're like
Speaker 1: they think he's dead. Matt Damon. Matt Damon, and he's
Speaker 1: a spy and they're like, look.
Speaker 2: It's not Jack Reacher.
Speaker 1: It's not Jack Reacher. I kept thinking Jack Reacher. But
Speaker 1: it's not Jack Reachcher. It's the other guy, Matt Damon.
Speaker 3: I think he's just named his regular name. It's just
Speaker 3: it's just.
Speaker 1: Called Matt Damon, Matt Damon, the super spy, Matt.
Speaker 2: Damon with a bunch of passports, right right.
Speaker 1: And they're like, oh, wow, are you Matt Damon And
Speaker 1: he's like, don't shut up, no, I'm.
Speaker 2: Born Matthew Bourne.
Speaker 1: Isn't that Matthew the born Ultimate. It's born Ultimatum. His
Speaker 1: name is mister Ultimatum and mister or identity more an
Speaker 1: identity born Ultimatum Penultimate born.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, yeah. So anyway, so that guy who was
Speaker 2: called that guy who's called Fast and the Furious, right.
Speaker 1: It's like these baby sharks, like these sharks because like
Speaker 1: you remember how mister Bourne was. He was in the
Speaker 1: water and it's like, oh, he's dead, don't worry about
Speaker 1: it because he's not breathing, and then the camera lingers
Speaker 1: and it's like nope, he swims away. That's what these
Speaker 1: embryonic sharks are doing.
Speaker 2: That's crazy. I mean, that is really I mean the
Speaker 2: amount of mystery that we ignore on a day to
Speaker 2: day basis to to you know, post on Instagram is unbelievable.
Speaker 2: I mean, that is unbelievable. There's some shark, Like it's
Speaker 2: crazy enough that the shark, baby shark knows how to
Speaker 2: stop breathing for a little bit, but then when it restarts,
Speaker 2: it breathes more shallowly. I mean that is so such
Speaker 2: deep programming. Yeah, and really I just think it's kind
Speaker 2: of amazing how uh we tune out like on a
Speaker 2: regular basis pretty much the whole ocean.
Speaker 1: Just go about our put down your phones and just
Speaker 1: go into the ocean and take a look around. But
Speaker 1: don't drop your cocaine in there.
Speaker 2: Plus, the ocean is full of free cocaine. That would
Speaker 2: be like a selling point.
Speaker 1: Down your phone, people, get out like a sieve, right
Speaker 1: and start we got to get a gold rush, but
Speaker 1: for cocaine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, panning for cocaine.
Speaker 1: Help the fish and yourself, right, make a tidy little profit.
Speaker 1: Don't sell drugs. My lawyers advise me to say.
Speaker 2: But put on some techno on some water in.
Speaker 1: The medium will sound actually like music. It's amazing. It's
Speaker 1: a miracle.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so so yeah, yeah, this is like pretty incredible,
Speaker 2: and I think it's probably healthy to think about how
Speaker 2: complicated and interesting things are besides us.
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely. I feel like sometimes it's just like it's animals.
Speaker 1: They're simple because they don't they can't speak English or
Speaker 1: any other language really, and you know that's just not
Speaker 1: the case. They've got their whole little systems going on. Here.
Speaker 1: I picture a bowling bag, a bowling bag with a
Speaker 1: little shark in it. Yeah, but it's kind of see
Speaker 1: through m yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well the animal comes, animal comes up or whatever,
Speaker 2: the shark. Yeah, so the shark. It's like, is this
Speaker 2: a bowling bag? I must be, because it's not breathing
Speaker 2: right exactly?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Is it go gurt? Or is it a bowling bag?
Speaker 1: Only one of these I can slurp up.
Speaker 2: I'm going to say the dumbest thing ever. So this
Speaker 2: is just as this is easily you can cut this out.
Speaker 2: But but so imagine that the also, the predator is
Speaker 2: going to be less patient because it's on cocaine and
Speaker 2: is not gonna give the right amount of inspection. Not
Speaker 2: it's not gonna inspect this exact nearly as carefully as
Speaker 2: it normally would.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna be Yeah, it's gonna be hard to
Speaker 1: have that attention spam.
Speaker 2: So good news for shark embryos.
Speaker 1: Right, maybe the cocaine will help the shark embryos. Who's
Speaker 1: to say, right, nobody knows.
Speaker 2: Who knows what's gonna happen. You give cocaine to a walrus,
Speaker 2: what's gonna happen. He's probably trying to go to town
Speaker 2: and put pants on and meet.
Speaker 1: That's just doctor Phil at that point.
Speaker 2: Oh, I wish I had a bell, the ring or something.
Speaker 1: Spam take that got him, got him, that doctor Phil
Speaker 1: got him. He will not be able to recover from that.
Speaker 1: We're gonna take a quick break and when we get back,
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about sharks who do this one cool
Speaker 1: trick that doctors. Hey, all right, so sharks have a
Speaker 1: cool party trick, which is that they can throw up
Speaker 1: their own stomach.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so sharks. Yeah, it's kind of gross.
Speaker 2: That's disgusting.
Speaker 1: Listen, man, we don't need your judgments on these sharks
Speaker 1: averting their stomachs.
Speaker 2: Well, others think it's hot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, exactly. This is like, this is you know,
Speaker 1: perhaps a form of flirtation. It's definitely like showing your
Speaker 1: what's inside of you, right, which is what happens when
Speaker 1: you get to know someone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like shar.
Speaker 1: Shark torking exactly. So sharks can eject their stomachs and
Speaker 1: dump out their food and then swallow their stomachs back in.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: So you know how like I don't know, you can
Speaker 1: push a balloon inside out or there are those toys
Speaker 1: sometimes where they have like like it's a little squeezy toy, right,
Speaker 1: and they have like a little little balloon inside and
Speaker 1: you squeeze it and the balloon kind of like pops
Speaker 1: out of their mouth but then sucks it back in
Speaker 1: when you stop squeezing them.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yes I do, I know exactly what we're talking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a little squezy toys. It's just like that. So
Speaker 1: they can like push their stomach out of their mouth
Speaker 1: and then suck it back in, uh with seemingly no
Speaker 1: ill effects. So in Caribbean reef sharks, uh that aversion
Speaker 1: and retraction of the stomach. Uh, they are able to
Speaker 1: do in less than a second. In a fraction of
Speaker 1: a second, just like basically like beebooph Yeah, just real. Why, Well,
Speaker 1: the idea is that it may be a way to
Speaker 1: clean their stomach of parasites, indigestible particles, or excess mucus.
Speaker 1: So you know, essentially, like they got a stomach ache,
Speaker 1: well they're just going to rinse their stomachs out right, like, well,
Speaker 1: this stomach needs a little bit of a rense mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Sometimes yeah sounds nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I have stomach issues sometimes, like gastc reflux,
Speaker 1: and if I could just, you know, I don't know,
Speaker 1: just like real quick, like give that stomach just a
Speaker 1: little rinse off, you know, rinse it out, second back in,
Speaker 1: and then have everything be fine again, that'd be nice.
Speaker 2: I don't want to be nice.
Speaker 1: I don't want to do that because I'm not a
Speaker 1: shark and I would possibly die trying that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it would be yeah, I mean that would
Speaker 2: be Then you'd have to do it on your own
Speaker 2: because if you try to do that around other people,
Speaker 2: they'd yeah, I'm set.
Speaker 1: But imagine if it was normal, right and you're just
Speaker 1: at the restaurant someone just basically has a little hiccup
Speaker 1: where their whole stomach comes out, some risotto plops back
Speaker 1: on the table. You know, it'd be a whole different
Speaker 1: society that we'd be living in.
Speaker 2: Yeah be uh yeah, be like that would be really rough.
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe maybe it would be good used
Speaker 1: to it, it wouldn't matter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but as the first when that evolved, like the
Speaker 2: first couple of people who did it would probably be
Speaker 2: shun shunned.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they'd be but posthumously being be remembered as innovators.
Speaker 1: Right but yeah, so so uh this is I mean
Speaker 1: within you know, relatively recently that where this has actually
Speaker 1: been documented. Well, but like because often there have been
Speaker 1: a lot of cases of sharks like pushing their stomachs
Speaker 1: out of their mouths, but usually it's sharks that get
Speaker 1: caught by fishermen. So clearly this is like a stress response.
Speaker 1: I know the fact that they do this when they're
Speaker 1: not obviously distressed, but just do it really quickly, seemingly
Speaker 1: to just cure maybe a tummy ache or to clean
Speaker 1: like maybe it's just routine cleaning, right, Like maybe it's
Speaker 1: like brushing their teeth. I don't know, because like they
Speaker 1: do the really quickly. You can do it in like
Speaker 1: a fraction of a second. I have included some photos
Speaker 1: of sharks doing this, but yeah, it's essentially just like
Speaker 1: a little balloon comes out of their mouth and then
Speaker 1: goes back in. You can barely see it.
Speaker 3: I'm looking right now, Oh I see, yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 1: Just kind of just like blowing a bubble with some
Speaker 1: kind of gray bubblegum.
Speaker 2: I never had heard of that. I never would have
Speaker 2: known that in a million years. Really crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, to be honest, like researchers don't know one hundred
Speaker 1: percent why they do it, but the leading theory is
Speaker 1: just like the stomach cleaning thing, and the reason they
Speaker 1: do it so quickly is probably just for safety, right,
Speaker 1: Like you don't want someone to come up and take
Speaker 1: a bite out of your stomach while it's dangling out.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, no, yeah, that'd be bad.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so because they do it so quickly fraction
Speaker 1: of a second, that seems to make it, you know,
Speaker 1: like a safe activity for them to just give everything
Speaker 1: a good rent out.
Speaker 2: Unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Have you ever like maybe this is just me, but like,
Speaker 1: have you ever had something where it's like you have
Speaker 1: some pain in some organ, maybe it's spine pain or
Speaker 1: like stomach hurts or whatever, And I just think about
Speaker 1: how nice it would be if I could just like
Speaker 1: pluck out that body part just kind of like get
Speaker 1: it in shape, Like especially when I have a back ache.
Speaker 1: It's like I think, like, what if there was a
Speaker 1: device I could just pull my spine out completely, you know,
Speaker 1: put everything back into place, and then put it right
Speaker 1: back in my back.
Speaker 2: That would be nice.
Speaker 1: That would be so nice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have to deal with external everything's external with us,
Speaker 2: so we have to like we're stuck putting cream on
Speaker 2: I guess the closest we god is like a Vapo rub.
Speaker 1: Vapo rub. Yeah, it's not very good. You know what
Speaker 1: I've been I think I already brought this up on
Speaker 1: another episode, but sorry, guys, I'm bringing it up again.
Speaker 1: I've been drinking essentially glorified pond scum for my tummy
Speaker 1: eggs because it's like sodium aalgenate, which is like an
Speaker 1: algae derived substance which is supposed to help with gastric reflux.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it really is like vanilla flavored pond scum.
Speaker 1: So you know, look, am I so different from these sharks?
Speaker 2: Apparently not? Where did you get this pond scum? Who
Speaker 2: told you about that? Because I'm down with, like, I
Speaker 2: like that kind of stuff, Like I just don't know
Speaker 2: what you know, Like anytime anyone introduces me into into
Speaker 2: some kind of thing that tastes really bad that's supposed
Speaker 2: to be good for me, Like I get pretty into it.
Speaker 2: Like I don't mind if it's pond scum, if it's
Speaker 2: supposed to be the good for you.
Speaker 1: This tastes fine. It's not literal pond scum, and I
Speaker 1: would encourage you not to drink literal pond scum. It's
Speaker 1: just that it is sodium alginate, which is like a
Speaker 1: goo derived from algae, and then you know, they process
Speaker 1: it so it's it's essentially it's god. Yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: viscus goo.
Speaker 2: They take all the cocaine and zolof Yeah, you don't
Speaker 2: want to just have straight days now, No, there's way
Speaker 2: too You'll end you'll end up at a rave.
Speaker 1: All right. Well, before we go, we got to play
Speaker 1: a little game called Guests Who Squawk in the Mystery
Speaker 1: Antal Sound game. Every week I play Mystery Antal Sound.
Speaker 1: I remember, Yeah, you the listener and you the guests
Speaker 1: try to get remember who is who is making that sound? Chris?
Speaker 1: I know you remember, But what if someone else out there?
Speaker 1: What if this is the first time someone is listening
Speaker 1: to this podcast. First of all, welcome, Hello. I'm sorry
Speaker 1: you started on the Sharks are doing cocaine episode. Or
Speaker 1: maybe I'm not sorry. Maybe it's a good thing. Anyways,
Speaker 1: this week's hint was this, You're not gonna find this
Speaker 1: hen on the farm, and it'll make this call till
Speaker 1: it's red in the face. All right, did you hear
Speaker 1: the little clucking sound?
Speaker 2: I heard it.
Speaker 1: Well, any got any guesses as to what is making
Speaker 1: the sound?
Speaker 2: I think it's a chihuahua.
Speaker 1: You know that is a very good guess. This is
Speaker 1: essentially the chihuahua of fresh water bodies of fresh water.
Speaker 1: This is the more hen, also known as a swamp hen.
Speaker 1: It is actually not related to chickens as well. It
Speaker 1: is a an aquatic bird. They are a member of
Speaker 1: the rail family. They are related to coots. Have you
Speaker 1: ever seen a coot?
Speaker 2: I don't think so.
Speaker 1: Well, these more hens kind of look like a coot,
Speaker 1: and if you've never seen a they're like a well
Speaker 1: you could also just look up more hen, but either
Speaker 1: way that's true.
Speaker 2: Why am I looking for the secondary more hen?
Speaker 1: M oh oh r h e n okay more han?
Speaker 1: And uh yeah, so like oh, Yeah, look at them.
Speaker 2: I've seen these.
Speaker 1: You heard of these, You've seen these.
Speaker 2: I've never seen them, but they're pretty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they are pretty beak. Yeah, they've got like a
Speaker 1: red bill with a yellow tip. They've got black feathers
Speaker 1: with white tips. Instead of having webbed feet like a
Speaker 1: duck would have, more hens actually have disconnected toes. Each
Speaker 1: toe is pretty thick and long, which allows it to
Speaker 1: both paddle and to walk on marshy, bumpy terrain with ease. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And they are not at all related to hens. Uh.
Speaker 1: Their name originally meant bird of the marshes more hen. Yes,
Speaker 1: not not a hen, not a chicken, but a chicken
Speaker 1: of the swamp.
Speaker 2: So they've tested them. They're loaded loaded.
Speaker 1: With d just constantly on ecstasy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a pretty bird.
Speaker 1: It's very pretty.
Speaker 2: Yes, I never seen that.
Speaker 1: I actually saw a couple. We have a few of them,
Speaker 1: quite a few of them up here in northern Italy.
Speaker 1: They are even though there are different species that are
Speaker 1: found all over the world, we have have some that
Speaker 1: are here. Uh. And they had some babies. It was
Speaker 1: very cute. The babies were sitting on there was like
Speaker 1: a paddle boat, you know, one of these like tiny
Speaker 1: boats and no one was in it. But then the
Speaker 1: babies were kind of sitting on it, and the babies
Speaker 1: were very cute. They're very scru scrungely looking. I know
Speaker 1: that's not quite a word, but you know what a
Speaker 1: scrungely looking little bird is, right, like those babies where
Speaker 1: not all the feathers are in, so they're just kind
Speaker 1: of scruffy. Yeah, they're very cute. I like them, all right.
Speaker 1: Onto this week's mister animal sound. The hints is this
Speaker 1: don't talk with your mouth full, m all right, any
Speaker 1: guesses dressed?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that sounds like sounds like Mitch McConnell.
Speaker 1: Uh uh, how you get it?
Speaker 2: I think that's Mitch McConnell in a a in shallow water.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't know what the heck that is. That's amazing sounding, though.
Speaker 2: It reminds me of I don't know if you heard
Speaker 2: about this, Katie, but this is something you This is
Speaker 2: along the lines of like novelty animal stories like cocaine
Speaker 2: and sharks. But uh, that that duc that's supposed to
Speaker 2: have said you bloody fool? Heard about that.
Speaker 1: There's a duck that said you bloody fool.
Speaker 2: Yes, And then and they've recorded this duck and it
Speaker 2: says it sounds just like it sounds just it's a
Speaker 2: musk duck, and it sounds just like that thing you
Speaker 2: just played, except this person. I mean, I don't think
Speaker 2: this duck is saying you bloody fool.
Speaker 1: Oh there it is, is that it?
Speaker 2: Oh, No, as.
Speaker 1: I'm about to I'm about to play this sound though
Speaker 1: it's an Australian duck, so.
Speaker 2: It goes you bluddy. Yeah, it just goes you boody fool,
Speaker 2: who bloody fool? And and and and and it does
Speaker 2: sort of look sound like that, but but it's like, uh,
Speaker 2: and they said it's because the caretaker says that a
Speaker 2: lot who lives near the pond. Anyway, it's just it's
Speaker 2: a great story. It was like it was like, it's
Speaker 2: it's really fun to listen.
Speaker 1: I found it. I found it good.
Speaker 2: Oh it's so great.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's incredible. Oh my god, that's still
Speaker 1: so bad. I don't think I mean, this is from
Speaker 1: the Telegraph. I don't think this is. I'm I'm credulous, right,
Speaker 1: or yeah, I'm credulous because I think that. I mean,
Speaker 1: birds do learn calls by listening to their their parents
Speaker 1: or two other birds. So if you have a bird
Speaker 1: who is capable of learning and mimicking certain sounds, I yeah,
Speaker 1: I did not realize that you said that. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a musk duck. Yeah, that's so interesting.
Speaker 2: It's like.
Speaker 1: It's so weird.
Speaker 2: I also just am like, I want to know how often?
Speaker 2: First of all, I want to know who this caretaker is.
Speaker 2: I want to know why upon how a caretaker? And
Speaker 2: I also want to know how often does this guy
Speaker 2: say you bloody fool that a musk duck would start saying.
Speaker 2: He was saying it because.
Speaker 1: People like me go to these ponds trying to get
Speaker 1: the pond scum to make our tommies feel better, and
Speaker 1: they're always chasing us off, going like, you bloody fool.
Speaker 1: You can't just be pond scum. You gotta get it
Speaker 1: from your pharmacy. Okay, I'm gonna see musk duck call Katie.
Speaker 2: There's a There's a hidden part of this story too,
Speaker 2: which is which really kind of to me made it
Speaker 2: less believable, is that they said that the musk duck,
Speaker 2: in addition to saying you bloody fool, can make a
Speaker 2: slamming sound that sounds like a door slamming, and that's
Speaker 2: included in some news reports about that story. They'll play that,
Speaker 2: they play that recording and then there's this bang bang
Speaker 2: bang sound that you're like, which.
Speaker 1: Is like, I mean, there are there are certain birds
Speaker 1: that can mimic sounds, right, Like I guess.
Speaker 2: A door closing though it was like a slamming door
Speaker 2: sound's a musk duck.
Speaker 1: There are there are birds that can mimic like say
Speaker 1: chainsaw or camera shutters. So it's all right, I'm not
Speaker 1: saying it's I have not had time to completely fact
Speaker 1: check this. I will. I'll look into it and report.
Speaker 2: My question for you as an expert, Why aren't musk
Speaker 2: ducks then more famous than they are, Like musk dust
Speaker 2: ducks should have a great career going he talks about,
Speaker 2: I've never even heard of them.
Speaker 1: People don't even know that. Like crows and ravens can talk,
Speaker 1: but they can.
Speaker 2: Do you have any crows that hang out with you?
Speaker 1: No, sadly, we've got hooded crows here. I don't. I
Speaker 1: haven't made any friends with any of them. I should
Speaker 1: probably leave you. I haven't. I haven't feed I have
Speaker 1: not been feeding them because I'm worried that if I
Speaker 1: start leaving out peanuts. The pigeons who are already here
Speaker 1: are just gonna descend it all like every morning, wake
Speaker 1: up to a bunch of pigeons. People are very Here's
Speaker 1: like a regular Here is what I think is a
Speaker 1: normal musk duck call see different? Right?
Speaker 2: Oh that thing?
Speaker 1: Well, they have like a really interesting wattle too. These
Speaker 1: are these are wild, Chris. I've got to do an
Speaker 1: episode on these now. Thank you for bringing this to
Speaker 1: my attention.
Speaker 2: Sure, it's one of my favorite things I love. I
Speaker 2: love cryptos zoology stuff just because I like the I
Speaker 2: love how the quality the recordings are too. I just
Speaker 2: like I like when people get like bad, you know,
Speaker 2: like they had to like sneak up and like the
Speaker 2: sound is kind of bad, and I like, uh, yeah,
Speaker 2: I like that whole mystery aspect of it. But yeah,
Speaker 2: it's an interesting story.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I guess we got we gotta I gotta
Speaker 1: investigate because I actually think this, This seems like this
Speaker 1: is real and that's amazing and add add it to
Speaker 1: the list of birds that can, in very creepy ways
Speaker 1: imitate us and mock us.
Speaker 2: Also, I want to say, like that is so interesting
Speaker 2: to bring up the pigeon crow thing because people are
Speaker 2: very happy to have to be friends with a crow,
Speaker 2: but they are not nearly as happy to be friends
Speaker 2: with like I don't know twenty five pigeons.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the number of them, right, Like I like,
Speaker 1: if it was one pigeon, I would be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're cool. When it's twenty five of them, all greedily
Speaker 1: staring at me, it's like, I'm now, this is no
Speaker 1: longer a sort of like friendship. This is a shakedown.
Speaker 2: Pigeons are just crows on cocaine.
Speaker 1: Wise are words never spoken. So Chris, thank you so
Speaker 1: much for coming on. Where can people find you?
Speaker 2: You can find me on my podcast Cold Brew Got
Speaker 2: Me like, or you can find me in my book,
Speaker 2: The Advice King Anthology that's available everywhere, and I don't
Speaker 2: care where you get it. You can get it from
Speaker 2: evil empires like Amazon. It's fine with me. And I
Speaker 2: have a record called Hello It's Me that came out
Speaker 2: in twenty eighteen that got a seven point four from
Speaker 2: Pitchfork and you can listen to that on all the
Speaker 2: streaming services and things. And I got a new one
Speaker 2: coming out this fall or winter and then and then
Speaker 2: you can watch me on them, watch me on at
Speaker 2: the at the Crafted Show on Instagram.
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